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Men Make NO EFFORT?! What Do They Bring To The Table? HEATED DEBATE w/ Feminists! | Dating Talk #131

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location.
	So where are you from?
	And occupation.
	Go ahead.
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	My name is Kayla.
	I'm 24 years old.
	I'm from Joshua Tree, California, and I am a tooth technician.
	Hi, I'm Talia.
	I'm a 20-year-old from the Bay Area.
	I go to school here at UCSB, and I'm a student.
	What's your major?
	I'm an econ major.
	Econ, okay.
	Welcome.
	My name is Katie.
	I'm 29.
	I'm originally from Vermont, and I work in childcare.
	All right, welcome.
	My name is Lily.
	I'm 21.
	I'm originally from the Bay Area, but I go here at UCSB, and I'm a senior.
	All right, welcome.
	I'm Shay.
	I'm also from the Bay, and I also go to UCSB, and I'm 21.
	Major.
	Econ as well.
	You're both econ?
	No, I'm bio.
	Oh, bio.
	Okay, so econ, econ, bio.
	Got it.
	My name is Ariana.
	I'm 21 years old, and I'm a student.
	Okay, welcome.
	And I also live in Joshua Tree as well.
	Okay.
	Hi, my name is Von Shika.
	I'm a hannah artist and an event planner.
	Moved here 18 months before in Ali.
	Basically, I'm from India.
	Basically, you're from India?
	Yes, I'm from India.
	Okay.
	Could it ever be like complicated you're from India?
	No.
	India.
	Okay.
	Dating is kind of, I would say.
	Okay.
	Jake, 28 years old, Rattlesnake TV on YouTube from Brisbane, Australia.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Thank you.
	Okay, cool.
	So we are going to go around the table once more.
	So what's everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	There's all kinds of arrangements nowadays.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Currently, I am seriously dating, and I'm very happy.
	Second question you asked was, long as a relationship?
	So you're currently in a relationship, right?
	I am.
	I am, yes.
	And my longest relationship has been four and a half years.
	Is that your current one?
	No.
	Okay.
	This one's less than half of that.
	How long have you been in your current relationship?
	I say we like dated, but it was long distance for a while.
	And then I moved out here.
	So since April, it's been serious.
	Okay.
	So is it still long distance or now you guys?
	It is.
	Yeah.
	Still long distance.
	Still long distance.
	Okay.
	It's kind of complicated.
	Tell us, how's it complicated?
	Well, I moved out here to be closer to him.
	And then he moved.
	Well, yeah.
	It was long distance.
	She moved.
	And then he moved away.
	I think he's trying to get away from you.
	So, okay.
	But so, okay, you said it's complicated.
	So you moved out here to be with him, but then is he in the military?
	He is.
	That makes sense.
	Good connection.
	Okay.
	Where is he now?
	I don't know if I'm supposed to say.
	You don't know?
	Oh, okay.
	His platoon had to go.
	Middle East?
	Huh?
	Huh?
	Okay, maybe we shouldn't talk about that subject, but.
	Is he currently deployed?
	Yes.
	Ah.
	Okay, so he moved for work.
	Yeah, he did.
	Well, he's coming back.
	Three months.
	You don't know where your boyfriend is from?
	No, I do.
	I just don't.
	Last time I posted where he was, and they told me to take it down.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Area 51.
	I see.
	Oh, Area 51, yeah.
	She's going to Naro to run.
	Go invaded.
	Okay, what about you?
	So current?
	I am so single and so happy about it.
	So single.
	But like no talking to anyone, no crush is nothing.
	Like I'm so grateful.
	What's so good about being so singular for you?
	Oh, it's like all my energy is focused on like my friends, myself, my career, like just being present.
	It's amazing.
	I love it.
	And so so single.
	How long have you been so single for?
	Like a month.
	One month.
	And what were you, were you like kind of single before in the middle?
	It was like friends with benefits.
	I was abroad and I like, it was like good friend with benefits type thing.
	You know, little European flang.
	Little European.
	You said you were abroad, where were you?
	Spain.
	Oh, in Spain.
	Okay.
	You're doing like you're an international student there.
	Yeah, like studying abroad there.
	Okay.
	And you were there for like a quarter.
	Is it the quarter or somewhere?
	I was there for like a semester, but I was traveling beforehand.
	Madrid.
	Lovely.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, so hold on.
	You were dating a guy while you were in Spain.
	Sure.
	Dating isn't the right word.
	We were friends with benefits.
	Friends with benefits.
	We would travel together.
	Was he a Spanish man?
	No.
	Where was he from?
	Was he part of your program?
	Yeah, we met on the first day of school.
	American?
	No.
	Oh.
	What country?
	I don't like American boys.
	You don't like American boys?
	We'll let everybody answer the question, but we'll come back to the what's wrong with American boys.
	Okay, we can definitely hit that.
	Okay, so you came back, you were in a thing while you were there.
	Now you're so single, very single, and happy.
	Happy, not looking for anything.
	Cool.
	And we'll come back to some of these.
	Oh, longest relationship?
	A year.
	One year.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	What were the questions again?
	Yeah, so current relationship status.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	Longest relationship.
	So currently between single and in a poly relationship.
	I consider myself non-monogamous.
	I do have a lover that's cross-seas right now, not military.
	But yeah.
	And longest relationship is four and a half years.
	Is that your current poly?
	Okay.
	So you said you're single, but you have your I consider it a polyamorous relationship Polycloser McClure.
	How long is your current?
	This current relationship.
	I've known this person for a little over a year.
	So it's been.
	Can you speak a little closer to Mike, please?
	Yes.
	I've known this person a little over a year, on and off relationship.
	Is this the person who's overseas?
	Yes.
	And he's also considers himself non-monogamous?
	You don't know?
	So have you told him that you're non-monogamous?
	I think it's an understanding.
	Have you explicitly said that?
	No, but we weren't together, and then I came, I was in Vermont, and then I came back, and he has gone to Thailand.
	He's probably experiencing the local spouses over there?
	I don't know, he's working, he's really busy.
	And I mean, we still talk, and I still very much love him very much.
	And when we see each other, we'll very much be together.
	But I'm also just like my own person.
	It's a wrong split, Nick.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Open relationships.
	Open relationships.
	It's the way to go.
	Are you so you have your main, right?
	That's my understanding with like Pauline.
	Polyamorous, right?
	There's like a main and then or there could be multiple.
	You're all just loving together, each other.
	Yeah, so polyamory would be that you have, is technically that you have your main two, so that he's, I consider him, he's my lover, right?
	That's whom my heart is very much in love with him.
	But you still can have other go-on dates and other encounters.
	Would you ever marry that person?
	I don't know.
	I think yes.
	Marriage has been a whole, like, I thought for 25 years of my life that, oh, I want to get married, white picket fence, that whole lifestyle, until I started traveling and fell in love with myself.
	And now it's like relationships are actually quite difficult now for me to be in.
	Is that drecking you because you've had too many experiences on your travels that you can't quite stick to one person or?
	very little experiences on my travels it's more no i was very in long-term relationships about three to four four and a half years before traveling And then after that, decided to just be in love with myself for a while.
	And like you're saying, the whole single thing is a big thing and encouraged for young women.
	Would you want to do that forever though?
	Just be in love with yourself?
	Or would you want to share your life with somebody?
	I want to share my life with a lot of people.
	I love a lot of people.
	And I think love is more expansive than just one person.
	But in terms of a romantic love, you'd want to have romantic love with lots of different people.
	That's what open relationships are, yeah.
	And what about having kids though?
	Would you want to have kids?
	I believe so.
	I mean, I work in childcare, so for, again, 25 years of my life, I thought I wanted that.
	I was ready to have kids with the person I was with in that four and a half year relationship, which actually is pretty toxic of a relationship.
	So it's crazy to think I would have had a baby with someone then, and now to come to find out just a few years later of having time with myself, I definitely want to have a child of my own, obviously, to continue.
	And would you maintain the polyamorous lifestyle if you had a child with somebody?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Are you, so you have your main.
	Are you seeing any other guys currently?
	No.
	Okay.
	Or women, just to be clear.
	Okay.
	So you are bisexual, you date both.
	Okay.
	But you're not seeing anybody else?
	No.
	Okay.
	But if something were to come along, you might consider it, entertain it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Do I reintroduce myself?
	My name is Lily, and I've been single my whole life.
	Okay.
	That is my relationship.
	I am single.
	Single your whole life?
	what's the but you I'm sure you've dated people I've gone on dates, but I don't think I've ever settled down and committed to being in a relationship with one person.
	What's the longest consecutive period of time that you've dated one person?
	Have you ever dated anybody?
	Well, like maybe there was a guy or a girl.
	Are you bisexual?
	You're bi?
	Okay.
	Have you dated a guy or a girl?
	You know, maybe it was a casual thing for like a period of a month, two months, three months.
	Have you had that?
	I've gone on dates with a person consecutively for a long period of time, but I don't think I've ever asked to be someone's girlfriend before.
	What about like a friends with benefits?
	Have you had like a three-month, six-month?
	What about situationship?
	Yes.
	How long?
	What's the longest situationship that you've had?
	Three months.
	Three months, got it.
	Okay.
	Was that with a guy or a girl?
	Guy.
	Guy?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And is that people have they've had an interest in having a relationship and you haven't?
	Or?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I just, I am a very independent person.
	I like to dedicate a lot of time to myself.
	And like I said, I like to work on myself a lot.
	I'm very much just like an independent person and I have extremely high goals for myself.
	So it's hard to find time to even have a relationship.
	You said, sorry, go ahead.
	Oh, no.
	Just like, I'm very focused on myself.
	Well, you said you're a biomajor, or are you interested in pursuing medicine?
	Absolutely.
	You want to be a doctor?
	I want to be a professor.
	Oh, professor.
	Okay.
	Of biology?
	Immunology.
	Immunology, I see.
	Okay.
	And so I assume that would mean that you have to pursue a PhD.
	So, yeah, it certainly takes quite a bit of time.
	So is it, do you want to have kids one day?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	And so, but it sounds like to me, at the time being, you're kind of disregarding the pursuit of a relationship because right now you're kind of focused on your studies and you want to achieve certain things and perhaps that's something.
	Maybe I don't know if you have a sense of a timeline maybe in your mid to late 20s, maybe early 30s.
	That's when you would like to exactly.
	I feel like I'd like to settle down with someone in like my late 20s, maybe like 25 26, you know, and then have kids, dedicate my 30s to my kids.
	Do you have a sense of would you prefer that person to be a man?
	Would you prefer to be a woman?
	Because I know you said, did you say you want kids?
	Right yes yeah, so would you prefer?
	Do you have a preference there when it's your partner open to adoption or absolutely okay surrogacy okay, got it okay.
	Um, what about you?
	I'm in a serious relationship right now.
	All right, relationship.
	How long have you been in the relationship?
	For about seven months.
	Seven months okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm currently married and my longest relationship is three years.
	Is that your current relationship?
	How long have you been married?
	Like a year and three months, probably?
	A year and three months.
	Okay, cool.
	I'm currently single.
	And I would say I'm single from last seven months.
	So yeah.
	You said, okay, single for the last seven months, longest relationship?
	It was two years.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	And you, how long have you been in the US?
	Because you're from India, correct?
	Yeah, I would say 18 months.
	Can you?
	I would say 18 months.
	18 months?
	Okay.
	Alright.
	So, but you've been single for seven months.
	In that seven-month period.
	So you, wait, you did have a relationship here in the U.S. for a period of time.
	Okay.
	Six months.
	Why did he dump you?
	Kidding.
	Sorry.
	I am killing.
	I get to know that he's married.
	Oh, he was married.
	Okay.
	How did you not know that?
	That's what the problem I didn't get to know.
	The way he portrays himself, it's like he's a single person and he was giving me good time.
	He was like taking care of me.
	I didn't realize.
	Honestly, I had no idea he can be married.
	But yeah, eventually.
	Did you never go to his house or anything like that?
	Did he have a wedding ring?
	On his house?
	Sorry.
	Did you go to his house?
	No, because honestly, I was working a lot, so I was like working a lot.
	How long were you dating him?
	Six months.
	You never went to his abode?
	No.
	He always went to your place?
	I would say.
	Hotel meetups.
	At my place, I would say.
	Yeah, but not a lot.
	So how did you find out?
	I found out through his phone.
	Did you get in there by yourself or did he let you in?
	It was eventually, honestly.
	And also one thing was about his house that it was like he said he lives in some certain place, but I found a mail that says another address.
	You went there, didn't you?
	Yeah, so that tricked me like, why?
	This is a lie.
	Did you drive past the address?
	Sorry.
	Did you drive past the address?
	No.
	Don't lie to me.
	Did you not?
	I strictly asked him.
	I strictly asked him, and he was like, kind of get panicked.
	Oh, you're going through my mails and this and I was, that's not what I'm asking.
	You need to answer me.
	And yeah, he didn't answer, so I kind of get an idea like something is fishy going on.
	So yeah, but I get to know it.
	So I have to end it up for sure.
	And I did.
	Good times.
	We'll dive more into that in a little bit.
	Jake, what is your relationship situation?
	28 and single, and that's about it.
	Sweet.
	Okay.
	And you've been traveling a lot recently.
	Any love connections on your many travels?
	Too busy.
	I just stay inside my apartments, my Airbnbs the whole time and work.
	No lady friends.
	You know.
	I don't get time.
	You don't got time?
	I don't get time.
	Okay, he's focused.
	He's focused on the grind.
	He is focused on the grind.
	Okay, cool.
	Well, so I have a few notes here that we need to go over.
	Let me just see.
	I actually, I think a good starting point would be, actually, before we get back into some of the people's relationship statuses, hold on one sec, guys.
	I have a kind of a light question to start.
	If you had to choose, would you rather your boyfriend cheat on you with a girl who is hotter or uglier than you?
	If you had to choose?
	Uglier.
	And we'll go around the table.
	We'll start with you and we'll go around.
	Okay, so for you.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Sure, uglier, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm going to pass on that question.
	Why?
	Why?
	Because I think looks are objective or subjective.
	Right?
	So it's just opinion.
	Hold on, okay.
	Who's to say that she's uglier or prettier than I am?
	Not going there.
	Well, wait, hold on.
	Just one care.
	Are you straight?
	No.
	You're bi?
	Yes.
	So you can't make a determination whether somebody is physically attractive to you?
	I can, but not if she's prettier than I am or not.
	So you can assess someone's attractiveness, but not if they're more attractive than you?
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	Okay, who here is more or less attractive?
	Oh, you want me to, I could do that?
	Yeah.
	Yes, please.
	I could do that.
	Explain to me how you would do that because I don't understand.
	It might be a little rude.
	I'm asking you a hypothetical question, so it's rude in the sense that...
	I can't answer that unless there's a girl there.
	Give me a hypothetical girl.
	What's she look like?
	give me details so victoria's secret supermodel versus um then i would understand why he cheated on me with her Would you rather him cheat with the Victoria Secret Supermodel or Hulk Hogan wearing a wig?
	I would honestly say the hotter chick because I would say I want him to have standards.
	Like if he's going to sleep with someone that low, then what was I?
	Here's the question.
	There we go.
	All right, what about you?
	I'm going to go prettier.
	Prettier, okay.
	Uglier.
	Yeah.
	Uglier.
	Uglier.
	Okay.
	So why?
	You want to start with me?
	Yeah, we'll start with you.
	I would say that's the basic thing.
	Like, like, maybe my English is like, it's not my first language.
	I don't sometimes have the proper words.
	So.
	Was his wife hotter or uglier than you?
	Say it again, please.
	Was his wife hotter or uglier than you?
	I would say that obviously if a person is.
	Maybe I misunderstood the question.
	Can you just read run again?
	I asked the question.
	Was your last boyfriend, when you saw his family photos with him and his wife, was she hotter or uglier than you?
	She was good.
	She was beautiful, I would say.
	I don't want to compare.
	She was beautiful.
	A beautiful lady, I would say.
	Hotter or uglier than you?
	What do you think?
	If you had to say it.
	I have to say.
	Because normally if you go for a saga, I reckon the side girl's probably going to be hotter.
	I would say she is beautiful.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	I would say uglier because it would probably hurt less.
	I don't know.
	I think it would just hurt less.
	Would it be less of a threat?
	Yeah.
	I think so, yeah.
	Okay.
	If he's cheating at that point, I'm already leaving.
	And in my mind, I'd rather think of him with an ugly girl than with a pretty girl, because that's, at that point, kind of disliked.
	Okay.
	I said prettier because if she's bad, I'll sleep with her too.
	There you have it, okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, well.
	You need more opinion.
	It's a podcast.
	Let me just say, for the ones that are saying the ugly, that you gotta, your self-value, you know?
	Like, you are so beautiful.
	The question wasn't if you think you're beautiful, though.
	It's like if they think you think they're uglier or hotter than you, and why?
	Yeah, but when you're saying, like, oh, I want them to be uglier than me because it boosts your self-esteem, like, that doesn't matter.
	People have you guys.
	It doesn't matter.
	People have you.
	Oh, it totally does.
	Yeah, and that's what the question's about.
	Okay.
	People's egos.
	Thank you.
	We all have them.
	Oh, totally.
	So do you.
	Yeah.
	So what do you think?
	i think i said what i think but why would they be why would you want hotter Well, I said because I want them to have the standard because I think their standards would be I'm at that same standard.
	So if they're liking Victoria's Secret girls, then I'm like a Victoria's Secret girl.
	Must be.
	Wait, I don't know if that really checks out, though.
	Okay.
	So wait, is the logic here I'm dating my boyfriend, my boyfriend is attracted to me.
	If he sleeps with a girl of a certain physical attractiveness, ergo, I must be just as physically attractive as the other woman he sleeps with.
	Is that the logic?
	Sure.
	I'm not, that doesn't sound like a very good idea.
	I think she's saying she's saying that his standards must be high, so therefore she must fall within those standards.
	Like when they go lower, when they go down, when they go to uglier girls, it's just like, yo, what happened to your standards?
	Like I've had this guy, like dated a guy that had pretty girlfriend after pretty girlfriend after pretty girlfriend, and then you see after so long he starts going down because they start finding out he's not a very good person, you know, and so he has to start being.
	So you're saying that his girlfriends got uglier?
	Subjectively?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, this is kind of a hard question.
	I kind of agree with everyone.
	Like, I would just look at the guy and I'd be like, I'd more look at the girl.
	Like, what does she, what is it about, like, the personality maybe that caught him?
	Like, if he's just sleeping with her because she's hot, like, good for him.
	Like, that's great.
	Like, but it would be, it would be beyond the appearance, which is what would irk me.
	It wouldn't really, like, I don't think the first thing that would come to my mind is like, oh, she's prettier than me.
	I wouldn't be comparing myself to her like that.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think it would be more for my mental, just feeling like I wouldn't have to worry about her anymore.
	And you said you'd prefer if she was uglier.
	Uglier.
	Just listen to some Beyonce and just get over it.
	Yeah, and he can live with that regret, you know?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Good times, good times.
	So one thing I want to go back to here for a little bit is some of the people's answers to the relationship status question.
	You said that you were not a big fan of American boys.
	Before I have you kind of elaborate on that, anybody here concur with her opinion?
	Are you not fans?
	I mean, I don't know, maybe some of you haven't been out of country or haven't met an international person in a romantic sense anyways.
	I guess general.
	Yeah, I feel like you can't really answer this question if you haven't met an international.
	Well, anyways, does anybody else want to weigh in on that?
	Any thoughts on American men?
	They're up there in Canada.
	Huh?
	They're up there with Canadians.
	And where did I see the boys?
	I like white boys.
	You like white boys?
	Well, I suppose you could get.
	Sweetens are cool too.
	Norwegians?
	What about Swedes?
	What do you think about the Swedes?
	I don't know.
	Finnish?
	What do you think about the Finnish?
	I know what I know.
	What about the Danes?
	You like that Airbnb?
	You like the Danish?
	I don't know.
	Oh, do you like the Danish?
	Sure, yeah, I like Danish.
	Are there any other Scandinavian countries?
	I hit Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.
	Are there other Scandinavian countries?
	Those are the four mainlands.
	Is Iceland?
	Scandinavian?
	Is that...
	Iceland is...
	Yep.
	Scandinavian.
	Yeah, but they're kind of like over there.
	Yeah, but like you meet in Iceland.
	They're not like, aren't there, Iceland's that.
	That's next to Canada, isn't it?
	No, no, no.
	That's Greenland.
	Oh, that's.
	I'm thinking of Greenland, though.
	Does anyone even live on Greenland?
	I think.
	It's funny because Greenland is icy and Iceland is green.
	I heard that in the Disney movie like 20 years.
	Okay, anyways.
	She likes that.
	You like that Aryan flavor, blonde hair, blue eyes?
	Not necessarily blonde hair, blue eyes, but just, you know, just to me, but I'm not.
	What about the Dutch?
	Do you like the Dutch?
	I don't know anyone who's Dutch.
	The Netherlands, like from the Netherlands?
	I don't know anyone from there.
	Okay, all right.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, you, we'll go around the table.
	Well, actually, before we get to you, has anybody dated someone internationally?
	Compare and contrast with American men?
	I mean, you got some Indian dating experience, so India dating experience.
	What do you want to know about Indian dating experience?
	Compare them to American men.
	Compared to American men.
	Oh, yeah.
	I would say they are forever ready for marriage.
	Hey, what?
	Sorry?
	They are forever ready for marriage.
	Okay.
	As an Indians are forever ready for marriage?
	Yeah, I would say like 70% of them, they want to date because they want to get married.
	But do you find American men a little bit harder to sort of lock down?
	I have a couple of friends.
	I won't say I haven't dated that much, so I don't know the thoughts about that, but like I have friends, they are in dating life and they are just seeing each other.
	I have seen this.
	It's just like they're seeing each other and see wherever it goes.
	No, don't want to get married, no thoughts about it.
	Definitely no to marriage, thoughts like that.
	Anybody else?
	Yeah, my boyfriend's international too.
	It's long distance, but am I saying something?
	Oh, so my boyfriend's also international in my experience is even if there's different, like, if there's similar hookup cultures in different countries, other countries, the guys will put in a little bit more effort.
	So whether that's flowers or taking you out on dates or complimenting you, they're a lot sweeter than these American men who are, I guess, accustomed to the hookup culture that we have here, where it's a little bit less effort to get into a situationship or to get with someone.
	Why do you think the reason is that men aren't giving you flowers and being sweet?
	Well, I think that abroad, men are just raised a little bit differently.
	Like in my culture, like I'm Russian, it's standard that there needs to be flowers in the house.
	And so these men are raised to bring flowers to their mom, to their sisters, not just the girls that they're trying to get with.
	Here in America, I don't think that's taught.
	So if you went on a first date with a guy and he bought flowers, you'd be flattered by that?
	Yeah, I think that's an extra step.
	It shows that he cares, that he's putting in the effort.
	You said your current boyfriend, it's long distance.
	Where is he from?
	He's in Israel.
	Okay.
	So he's Israeli.
	Okay.
	And so, okay.
	He's, and you said it's always been long distance?
	Yeah, so, yeah, I met him in the summer, lived there for a little bit, and now we're doing long distance.
	Okay.
	So you say men, American men, they don't put in enough effort.
	As much, yeah.
	And you said, you did say that the men in these other countries, perhaps where they do make more effort, they're raised differently.
	And when you say they're raised differently, do you mean they're raised better, perhaps?
	In terms of how they treat women, yeah, I think so.
	There's a lot more emphasis.
	Do you also think, correspondingly, that the women in these other countries are also raised better?
	I can't really speak on that in terms of relationships, because I've never gone on dates.
	I've never seen how a woman would treat me in a different country.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anybody else?
	Do you have experience, international guys?
	I don't have any experience with any international guys.
	Okay, we'll come back.
	We'll come to you then since you originally made the comment.
	So American boys, you're fed up with American boys.
	Can you expand on that?
	What's your experience been?
	It's the accents.
	It's what gets me.
	I love the accents.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Well, that too.
	But I mean, maybe it's because I meet all these people.
	I also travel a lot.
	So I meet a lot of people in hostels or people who are traveling all over the world.
	You tend to be a little bit more open, you know, if you're traveling and just like more genuine.
	So maybe the international people that I've met are, you know, just kind of like-minded in that way.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	It's just more fun.
	It's more interesting to me.
	Like, I like learning about, you know, your country, your culture, where you're from.
	That's just something that I'm interested in.
	The banter is different.
	You know, the language even is different.
	It's just like a whole new realm.
	It's fun.
	Okay.
	Any, I think you've provided some reasons why perhaps you prefer dating not American men.
	Do you have any criticisms, though, of American men?
	Criticisms of men.
	it sounded like well here's the positives of dating yeah international yeah tell us whatever that what are some of the uh i mean shana talked a lot about it like the effort I mean, we, like, I go to school here.
	Isla Vista is a huge hookup culture.
	Like, the frats here, you know, they don't even let like guys into the parties.
	It's only like the frat guys and then like beautiful, beautiful women.
	And they kind of like sit on like the fence and like look for the for women to like pick.
	The hookup culture here is crazy.
	I just, I don't know.
	And I think that American men just aren't as mature at our age, at 20, as people in other countries who aren't as coddled and who might, you know, have to work or not even work.
	Just like do, they're just raised differently.
	I don't know.
	More mature.
	Okay.
	So it sounds like lack of effort is certainly a lack of effort and depth.
	Lack of depth, I feel like.
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	So wait, going back to the effort thing, going around the panel, do you guys think that men don't put in enough effort when it comes to modern, or when it comes to dating?
	Starting with you.
	I've had experience with LA boys dating, and it's just a no for me.
	It's so shallow.
	They're kind of like leeches, even though you know the connection is not there right off the bat.
	I'm a cut and run type of girl, so I have literally like ditched dates before, even if I was the ride.
	That's how bad dating is here.
	Wait, hold on.
	What do you mean by what is a cut and run?
	Cut and run is just kind of like, I'm whether or not feeling anything romantic or potential, and I'm not big on hookups, maybe like in high school a little bit.
	But like, now it's just, no, like I would never, I would, if I was in a relationship right now, I would not date at the moment.
	You are in a relationship right now.
	I am.
	Sorry.
	If I wasn't in a relationship right now, I would not stay out here.
	Have you ever done a bathroom break where you've just said I'm going to the toilet and then left?
	I don't think so.
	I think I'm more obvious and literally run.
	Literally.
	Or drive away, yeah.
	There are leeches out there.
	Wait, so can you break down the whole, so you'll just leave a date?
	Mm-hmm.
	Will you tell the date that you're well?
	I will leave them after I say like a few times I want to go home or this like I'm not like never like at their place.
	Well, maybe I would leave their place.
	Yeah, probably, I don't know.
	there's too many stories wait so i'm you're on the date you're not feeling it So example.
	I don't think it's, I mean, you use the term cut and run.
	To me, that sort of paints it to me as if you're like walking up, doing the bathroom thing, and then just kind of ghosting.
	Yeah.
	If you're not feeling it, it occurs to me that it certainly would, it's fair to, you know, some diplomatically and politely communicate that, you know, you don't feel a connection and then excusing yourself.
	But are you actually like just, I'm going to the bathroom?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Pretty much I'll like grab a friend or something.
	If it's at a party setting, I'll grab a friend and be like, let's go.
	But the last time I did it was when I went to the beach in Venice and I was the driver and he would not leave.
	Like he kept wanting to go place to place.
	So when he even said he would pay for like the parking.
	So I was like, okay, when he goes pace for parking, I'm going to just leave him there.
	And I did.
	Does your boyfriend get reception in Area 51?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Ours are different though.
	Okay, cool.
	So what's the worst story where you actually felt a little bit bad after it?
	After leaving someone?
	Never.
	Never?
	No.
	If you were that person, you might have felt bad.
	What's the worst story?
	Yeah, but I'm a big girl.
	I can take care of myself.
	You know, I get a ride home, you know, talk to a friend about it.
	I don't know.
	I would never keep company with someone who didn't want my company in return.
	And that's where guys do not care.
	So there's no stories where you can think that we're particularly.
	Mental, I felt bad.
	Yeah.
	No.
	That maybe someone else with a conscience would have felt bad at all?
	I have a conscience.
	Wait, I'm just, so how many times?
	Because like you said there was once where you were at a party.
	I mean, I feel like that's a bit different than if you've intentionally gone out one-on-one to meet somebody.
	If you're just, if it's more of a casual thing, like, oh yeah, we can meet at this party.
	I mean, I think that's a little less if you just like dipped from the party.
	I don't object to that to the same degree if it was like a scheduled date.
	But it sounds like you've done that on dates, right?
	Yes.
	When he gets the pogging.
	Well, on a date, it's like one time he had one penny in his bank account after ordering so much food and I wasn't going to pay for it.
	So I excused myself nicely and left.
	So he had one penny after paying for all the food for you guys.
	His card was denying and then he's like, oh, I have only a penny.
	And he wasn't aware that he had only a penny before the date?
	He didn't act like he knew.
	So I would.
	Wait, okay.
	So how did you excuse yourself?
	like role play this is uh oh i called my friend and she lived down the street from the restaurant and her boyfriend ended up paying for him but i just didn't see him after that I mean, if you're going to go on a date, you should probably be prepared to take care of it.
	Yeah.
	How do you ask someone?
	Did he ask you to go get food?
	Yeah, it was a date.
	Yeah, he asked you to go get food and maybe he was hustling her.
	Did it never occur to you?
	It never occurred to you that maybe you might have to pay?
	I thought about paying, but I was like, so into like my business at the time that I was like, I'm not about to pay for a guy who flexes so much, acts so wealthy, drives nice cars, and then has a penny on his card.
	I don't know.
	I just didn't feel right paying.
	How do you just have a penny on your?
	I have no idea.
	It's not even possible, a penny on your account.
	Usually a credit card, like, that's not.
	Yeah, he didn't have a credit card?
	I guess not.
	I don't know.
	I don't even understand.
	I don't understand.
	That's very confusing to me.
	I'm confused.
	All right, so okay, that's, so do you think men should put in more effort?
	It...
	Depending on, I think they should date intentionally.
	They should date intentionally.
	They should date intentionally.
	What do you mean by that?
	Like, just know what you want before you start dating.
	If you want to go out there and have fun, go have fun.
	Like, if you don't want to put in that much effort, that's totally fine.
	Like, you can have fun.
	If you want to be in a relationship, don't string people along.
	Put in the effort.
	You know, put yourself out there.
	I just think dating intentionally.
	Are you dating intentionally?
	Right now, I don't want to date, so that's my intention, is not dating.
	Not dating.
	So if someone that you found attractive were to interact with you, you would say, not interested at all?
	If they were to ask, that's, yeah, right now, like, I don't want anything, but I'm still open to like.
	Like, if a strapping Australian MMA fighter just was like, hello, love.
	Sorry, Jake.
	You know, you're not going to...
	Nothing.
	I'd floor.
	You know, I'd flirt.
	I'd see what the vibes were, but like.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Should men, do you think men, they don't put in enough effort?
	I don't think it's about putting in more effort or less effort.
	It's about putting in the effort in the right places, which then comes down to learning about love languages.
	What are the right places?
	Well, that's different to each person.
	So when you know your love languages, then that's where the effort needs to be put into.
	So often you'd see men giving in what their love language is and saying like they like to get gifts and they're going to give this woman all these gifts, all these gifts, all these gifts and say, I'm putting in all this effort.
	I'm doing all these things for you.
	But if she doesn't care about material stuff and what she wants is just like time or to be talked to or like little things like that, then to her, she's not going to recept it and she's going to be like, you're not doing anything for me.
	And what is your love language?
	What's the love language that you like to receive?
	Lots of them.
	If you had to whittle it down to your favorite few.
	Aren't there only five?
	I thought there were five.
	There's not.
	There's nothing.
	I don't even want to buy into the love language now.
	Me too.
	There's a few?
	There is more than the five.
	I have looked into this.
	I can't tell you off the top of my head.
	If you had to tell you some of your faves, though.
	Yeah, what are your faves?
	I mean, I do like gifts, I will say that.
	I do like gifts.
	And I know that.
	So a good way to know your love languages are how you give to other people, because that's what I'm saying.
	We learned the rainbow rule in school of treat others how you want to be treated.
	That's not right.
	Treat others how they need to be treated.
	So often we'd be, I really like gifts, right?
	So I love Christmas and I love birthdays.
	I love giving people presents and stuff.
	And often I've run into situations where they're like, oh, like, I don't really care about birthdays.
	I'm like, but I do.
	Like, I love it.
	And that's where you realize it's like, okay, that's more about me than it is about them.
	I intellect, that's where it goes into the other one, is like that there's intellect.
	I really appreciate having a conversation.
	I like a good debate, not getting into an argument, but able to have that debate back and forth, have other conversations and open mind.
	So would you consider yourself more on the left, like the liberal side of the thought?
	I consider myself like out in space when it comes to all that.
	I have to do that.
	Okay, cool.
	Cool, cool.
	So you're more of like a spiritual type sort of thing?
	Right.
	So you like men who are the spiritual type?
	It's a hard question because I've was in a relationship with a spiritual guy and I think that a lot of men that are coming into spirituality are not ethically working with it in the right ways.
	They're just doing it for pussy?
	I think they can't put it on here.
	What?
	They're doing it for manipulation, we'll say.
	I think the best way to know that you don't want a spiritual guy is to date one.
	The universe sort of like that.
	If they're coming off like, oh, I know all this, like, come hang out with me and we're spiritual in love and let me like massage on you.
	Like, that's red flags.
	Another cat, yeah.
	That's like, if they're going in and they're taking their time to not date and do their work and they'll talk about their emotions and they'll cry with you, that's a spiritual guy that I'm interested in spending more time with.
	I mean, what if they're like trying to do Reiki?
	Reiki?
	Riki is not hands-on.
	Huh?
	Riki is not hands-on.
	No, but it's like, don't they do like this shit?
	Sure, if you're certified in that and you're doing that practice and it seems to be a lot of fun.
	You struck me as somebody who might be into the spiritual realm a little bit.
	Yeah.
	summonsing some things who believes wait who here believes in in astrology Show of hands.
	Anybody?
	Really?
	Astrology?
	We got one, we got a maybe, we got nothing.
	Astrology?
	No, I would say I'm kind of spiritual, but.
	Not into the astrology thing?
	No.
	Okay.
	More research.
	More research.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	You can just say that's fucking bullshit.
	No, no.
	I don't know enough about it.
	About astrology?
	Yeah.
	About how, like, if you're a Taurus, that that means like you are, like, bound to certain personality traits and behaviors and just based on the alignment of the stars, which is the chakra is kind of dubious at best, but.
	It goes deeper than that, though.
	Well, give me a 30-minute or sorry.
	30-second.
	Give me a bit.
	The basic, like the basic part of astrology.
	So we are born with our zodiac sign that we all know, the month that we're born in, for instance, I'm born in June, so I'd be a Gemini, right?
	Yeah.
	So that's our sun sign.
	Wait, you're a Gemini?
	I'm a Gemini.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Anyway, so that is only one part of our being, right?
	And it goes even past these three, but the first part is our big three.
	So we have our sun sign, our moon sign, and your rising sign.
	And this would be, so your sun sign is kind of like how you're portrayed on the outside to other people, to the world, how they see you.
	Your moon sign is going to be about your emotions, your sensuality, how you kind of deal to cope with things, your relationships.
	And then your rising sign is going to be like who you truly are to yourself, going to be the things that maybe no one else knows about you.
	So when you're reading a horoscope in the newspaper and we read our sun sign, we might be like, take it or leave it.
	It might not really resonate.
	But if you actually start reading your rising sign, it might resonate with you a little bit more.
	And then that goes so much deeper into all the layers of, so like you have a Gemini, but if you have a Gemini Taurus, they're going to be different than a Gemini Pisces, and so on and so on.
	And yeah, it could be way more than a half an hour talk.
	You could talk about astrology for more than a half hour?
	A half hour?
	What's the whole thing?
	I'm just learning the rising thing, like Jupiter rising.
	Is that something?
	Yeah, so each astrology sign can be a rising.
	The rising is where, in the sky, where the sun was on the horizon, it was rising on the map.
	Yep.
	Okay, so Jake here is a Capricorn.
	That would explain why you are so busy in your work all the time.
	Capricorns are all about working, about drive, and that's why we get into, right now, we're in a winter season, which is about hibernating, but we're in a Capricorn season, which we think that we need to make a goal and we need to make New Year's resolutions and drive, drive, drive when we're actually supposed to be hibernating.
	So we get all these people who then beat up on themselves and can't meet their goals.
	Brian's a Libra.
	What would you say about it?
	Does that suit him?
	I'm not too sure about Libras.
	I know they're very generally liked by a lot of people.
	They're outgoing.
	They like to be like just eccentric a little bit.
	So I wouldn't really suit the Libra then.
	I am not sure.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm a Libra.
	Yeah.
	I am.
	Are you a Libra?
	I am.
	So, okay, well, if you want to get into it, that's what I'm saying.
	So that's all about, I just learned that that's our tropical chart.
	And if you go to the side reel, that changed your whole identity, and that's more real.
	So it's a whole thing.
	Okay.
	So moving on.
	Do you think men don't put in enough effort?
	I think it depends on the guy.
	Depends on the guy, okay.
	In general, though.
	I've had guys who put in effort.
	I had guys who didn't put in effort.
	I'm telling you, it depends on the person.
	It's who you are as a person at the end of the day.
	Do you put an effort in life?
	Do you put effort in everything you do?
	If that's the case, then you tend to have putting effort in a relationship.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think the majority of my past relationships, I would say they did not put in enough effort.
	Not enough effort, okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I would say certain men definitely need to put in more effort.
	Definitely.
	Karina?
	I think efforts matter.
	And last, like, my relationship, all of the men made efforts, and that's how it worked out, I would say.
	So for those of you who said that men aren't putting in enough effort, men should put in more effort, what does that look like?
	Dating intentionally.
	Just emotional intelligence, being aware of what you want.
	Anything else?
	I think it's a balance.
	Like, the relationships that work out for me are when he and I both want to be there for each other in every single way and do things that make each other happy.
	And just a point of clarification, I'm talking more so during those very early stages when you're just meeting the first couple dates when it comes to effort.
	Obviously, things can tend to evolve and change once you're a bit further into a relationship.
	But like, for example, one example of wanting a guy to make more effort and a complaint I've heard from a lot of women is a tendency from some men to just text a girl at 11 p.m.
	What you doing, WYD, you know, not putting in a lot of effort perhaps to make a plan to actually, here, meet me Friday, 7 p.m., I'll pick you up, that sort of thing.
	That's a complaint I frequently hear from women.
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	The question then is how much effort do you put in?
	What do you offer a man other than three usable holes in an attitude?
	Why would a man worth having look at you twice?
	Okay, thank you, good one.
	I was kind of getting to that.
	But so there's these expectations on men to take initiative, pay for the first date, make the first move, do XYZ.
	That's my sense of what putting in an effort is in terms of the initial courtship stages.
	So if men are expected to pay for first dates, ask you out, pick you up, open car doors, get you flowers, et cetera, what are women expected to do to build a relationship in the initial stages?
	What's the effort that a woman puts in?
	Go ahead.
	Good communication, showing feelings and like thankfulness, gratefulness.
	I mean, good communication, it occurs to me that both parties, it's not clear to me if that's...
	Yeah, but a girl could totally be accepting all these things from a guy and then just kind of like, oh, he texts, I'll text later.
	Or, you know, it's kind of pushing him away and getting the good stuff.
	Okay, so the bare minimum is what a girl should do.
	No.
	No, if you like the guy and he's showing all of these amazing signs and how he's a man, then you would, you know, I would accept it appreciatively.
	So accepting the gift is how you put in effort is what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about him?
	I think, yeah, like a lot of the times women, especially, like, we want men to like put us into our feminine, right?
	We want the guy to be a little bit more dominant.
	And like him making those plans and him showing that is like, that's attractive and that's showing us, okay, this is something like I also want to pursue.
	Like, so again, yeah, like communicating with him without just, I don't know, like just connecting.
	Would you say that giving flowers on a first date is dominant and masculine?
	Oh, it depends on the person.
	Like for me, gift giving is not my love language.
	So like I.
	So we're in a bit of trouble here because damned if we do, damn different flowers.
	It depends.
	Like for me, it's like flowers.
	I don't really care too much.
	Like it doesn't like, okay, maybe it's a nice touch.
	But yeah, that goes into what you like.
	I've actually heard from a couple previous women who've been on the show that they would actually punish that sort of thing.
	Oh yeah.
	Not all women, but like some women would be like, that's way too extra, way too much up front initially.
	They'd think he's kind of simping or absolutely.
	Because I think a lot of girls don't want a guy to be doing all this extra shit way too soon.
	It kind of wait at least a few dates before I was to bring flowers or do anything.
	Perhaps on the wedding day.
	Unless you're in a different country.
	I think it's a good, you know, maybe a couple flowers.
	In the West, it's a bit different, though.
	But if you're in other countries, they actually appreciate Eastern Europe, like you were saying.
	But over here, girls will actually punish you for it, unfortunately.
	There's not much you can do about it.
	Have you had an experience with that?
	I have.
	What happened?
	Basically, just like, like we said, it was years ago, but just giving flowers.
	And then eventually you sort of realize as a guy that what you got taught in the movies in the notebook or whatever movies that sort of inform our relationships these days, it's all wrong.
	So then you have to sort of adapt.
	But it's easy to get sucked into that trap.
	And that's why we have so many simps these days, unfortunately.
	It's very unfortunate.
	The simps.
	Can you explain that?
	We have a sympodemic.
	A simp.
	Simp is giving like affection and gifts and all this stuff, like you guys just said, and receiving nothing in return.
	If you do that constantly, then you're a simp.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Of course.
	What would you like to receive?
	As a guy, coming from a guy's perspective.
	I want you to be a total simp for me.
	That's what I'd like.
	I'd like you guys to be texting.
	How are you?
	Good morning texts.
	Good night text.
	I think that's what we mean by communication.
	If that's what you meant by communication.
	Yeah, then absolutely, that's good.
	But you want a girl, because especially if you sleep with a girl, you want it to mean a lot to her.
	Because if it doesn't mean anything to her, then it shows that she's kind of a hoe, and she does that a lot.
	So that's a problem.
	So you want a girl to be a simp and to be like really like invested in the fact that you guys are dating.
	That's one thing in terms of communication.
	And especially if we're going to go to the stage where I'm giving you flowers.
	I mean, yeah, the simping has to be there, for sure.
	Girls get rewarded for simping and guys get punished.
	Do you agree?
	I think it depends on the early stages.
	I think I've had experiences where guys are a lot really early on and it scares me off.
	But then I also have the exact opposite where they're not doing enough.
	So I think it's finding that perfect balance.
	And I'm sure you can agree too on the women's side too.
	If you see a girl that's completely drowning for your attention, it's probably not the biggest turn on.
	That's the thing, though.
	You have to not like drowning for it, but just putting in the effort.
	You want that.
	Because a lot of girls these days think I'm a boss babe.
	I'm just sort of like, I don't need no man.
	I'm not going to text him.
	But it's just unattractive.
	We just don't like it.
	We like a soft touch.
	If I wanted someone who was going to be hard and compete with me and be masculine, I'd just go hang out with the boys.
	That's playing games.
	It's just about communicating, being vulnerable with your feelings.
	And I know you're not busy as well.
	I'm actually busy.
	You're not busy.
	Yeah.
	That's the only thing that I'd appreciate.
	Thank you for sharing.
	My pleasure.
	Okay.
	I want to go back really quick to some of the people's relationship statuses.
	So we have so single and then never been in a relationship.
	I'm curious.
	Are there any you said you're so single?
	There's nobody in the picture right now.
	It's amazing.
	Nobody in the picture?
	Nope.
	I was going to say because you're dating at college?
	Or you're so single, but you were previously dating at college?
	Yeah, college or traveling.
	Have you considered dating older guys?
	Yeah.
	If you're looking for someone who's a little bit more sort of at the moment, being so single?
	Nope.
	I just got back from being on the other side of the world.
	I have a lot of passions and career things that I'm doing.
	I have classes.
	I'm also really busy.
	I don't have the time or effort to invest in a relationship and I don't want to hook up really right now.
	Oh, so you're celibate?
	I mean, right now, yeah, sure.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Sure?
	I mean, there's a little sneaky link in the picture?
	No, no.
	No sneaky links.
	No sneaky links.
	Zero sneaky links.
	Zero sneaky links.
	An occasional sneaky link.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nope.
	What about you?
	Sneaky link?
	A couple sneaky links?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	What you working with?
	I mean, I just don't want to be committed to anyone right now.
	Totally fair.
	I'm here for experience.
	I really, really like having experiences with people.
	And, you know, if that leads to sex, then that leads to sex.
	But if it doesn't, that doesn't.
	I just like, it's whatever it's in the moment, I think, is what I feel like is what I do with people.
	Well, so currently, you know, are there people you're like sneaky links?
	You got any sneaky links?
	Yes.
	Any 11 p.m. WIDs?
	Yes.
	The sneaking in means, like, what are you trying to say?
	Sneaky link, it's kind of like someone you're very casually hooking up with.
	Oh, okay, goddamn.
	People might, I mean, the sneaky part is like nobody else might know about it.
	Like, your friends might not know about it.
	So it's very, yeah.
	You got, what are we talking here?
	You got, like, because I detect, like, I feel like you got Riz.
	Me?
	I think you got game.
	Yeah.
	I think you lay it down.
	I do.
	Like, I think you got game with both men and women, though.
	Like, insane Riz.
	I do.
	Like, like, fucking legendary status Riz.
	What made you think this?
	It's just like a vibe.
	I just.
	I think that's the best compliment I've ever received in my whole life.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Oh my gosh.
	You're welcome.
	But I think like, you know, you step to a girl and the girl's like, oh, what's up?
	So, anyways, I'm curious, though, because of your insane levels of Riz.
	Yes.
	You got some, you got a couple, you got a roster is what I'm getting at.
	Do you have a roster?
	No, personally, I only like to like be not even talking to, but just like one person at a time.
	One at a time.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I can't do multiple people.
	I fully salute if you can.
	It's just not me.
	I see.
	I can't do that.
	But I do have insane Riz with one person.
	You have insane Riz with one specific person.
	One specific person.
	And is that your current situation?
	Yes.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Male, female?
	Male.
	Male.
	Actually, I just went on the.
	Well, I just went on the first date last week.
	And, you know, we're talking.
	It's going good.
	It's going good.
	Would you describe yourself as a, well, I was going to say serial monogamist, but it sounds like you haven't really had a relationship, really.
	So you're like a serial situation?
	No, not even.
	I don't know what the term would be for.
	Like, I go on dates with people, and you know, if we don't vibe, I'll be very straight up and I'll be like, yo, like, I'm not really feeling this.
	I'm very honest.
	So I'm like, I'm not really extremely honest to a fault.
	Because I feel like that's, I don't want to waste your time and I don't want you to waste mine personally.
	So let's reenact a date.
	Do I have my.
	Do I have a hat I can wear?
	A hat.
	There we go.
	Let's just say you're with like a frat boy.
	I would not be with a frat boy.
	We're already wrong.
	Is this the type of guy?
	Absolutely not.
	You're like, sideways.
	I'll take this.
	Absolutely not.
	So, okay, we're on a date.
	Where's like a date?
	Like, do you go get food?
	Well, typically I'll either go like to restaurants or go to the gym with a guy that's like the children.
	On the first date, you'll go to the gym?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Or do you want to hit some squats?
	Well, I'm a powerlifter, so I feel like I go for guys who go to the gym, and so we kind of that's.
	Do you think you could bench Jake?
	Well, how much do you weigh?
	About 87 kilos.
	I don't know.
	Kilos?
	They're American, Jake.
	I don't know.
	What is that in pounds?
	I think it's like 180 pounds.
	No, definitely not.
	Definitely not.
	But yeah, like I'll go on.
	I think Spencer was like, let me do the jiu-jitsu conversion.
	Right?
	Spencer's like, okay.
	He's got it down.
	It's 180.
	I cannot do it.
	Oh, my God.
	No, I cannot bench 180.
	Do you think if I laid there like a prawn, you could lift me?
	You could deadlift me?
	Oh, yeah, I could deadlift you for sure.
	Could you clean it?
	Jerking clean?
	Oh, my God.
	I need to learn how to do that.
	I want to learn how to do that.
	Oh, please.
	We'll use a date.
	I will do it.
	Okay.
	See, I got that right now.
	Wait, it's okay.
	Let's roleplay this.
	Yeah.
	Well, do you want me?
	Okay, I can.
	What are we role-playing?
	We're on the date.
	Well, you said you're super, like, if you're on a date and you're not really feeling it.
	Like, will you up front just be like, fucking suck?
	Oh, no.
	No, no, no.
	I'm very respectful.
	I'll go on the date.
	For example, the last, not the last date I went on, it was really good, but the date before that, I was just not feeling it.
	The guy showed up two hours late and he brought a friend.
	Okay.
	Oh, was it?
	He's a young guy, wasn't he?
	No, he was older, which was very surprising.
	Wait, hold on.
	He set up the date.
	Yes.
	So we had arranged to go on this date.
	Food?
	Food date.
	We were going to go bowling.
	Bowling.
	Yeah.
	So we were going to go bowling.
	And then he texts me and he's like, by the way, I brought my friend.
	Do you have a friend for mine?
	Like, so I'm like trying to get my roommate in on this.
	But then it turns out he's two hours late.
	So my roommate doesn't want to go.
	So it's me, him, and then his friend trying to go bowling.
	Yeah.
	And so I was very respectful throughout the whole date.
	But then after the fact, I was just like, hey, like, I just don't think this is going to work out.
	It's personally not.
	I'm actually going to, I got to give you flowers on that because two hours late, he's asking to bring a friend when it sounds to me, I mean, we don't see that, we don't know what the texts were, but I'm going to take your word for it.
	It was very clear that it was like you were going to meet up with him for a day.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I give you props for actually, I mean, I would have, if I think more than 20 minutes, I leave.
	I know.
	I'm not Einstein, but the guy's in the wrong in that situation, 100%.
	Being two hours late, that's, and then asking to bring, do you know why he wanted to bring it?
	Was he like just a coward, like scared?
	I don't know.
	I never really asked why he was with his friend.
	I mean, I did ask him to take me home, though, like halfway through the date.
	I was just like, yeah.
	Jake, do you do any coaching?
	This guy needs your help, dude.
	He needs somebody's help.
	What's he doing?
	This guy.
	I think the friend needs help.
	Why would you want to go?
	No, honestly, I was talking to the friend more than the date himself.
	That's so weird.
	Tell me why, bro.
	That's so weird.
	The friend was.
	We have two dachyaboys to go with him.
	You know?
	Interesting.
	Was his friend hotter?
	No.
	Rip.
	I know.
	Or else I would have gone for the friend.
	I was going to say, maybe that's why he brought the friend was like, okay, this is my hot friend, and all my girlfriends always believe me for my hotter friend.
	So if I bring him and she doesn't flirt with him, then it's okay.
	That's terrible logic.
	It's not man logic.
	I mean, come on, logic.
	You want to bring the ugly, gregarious friend, not the better-looking friend.
	I just don't think you should bring a friend in general on a date.
	Yeah, that was.
	Just leave the friend at home.
	Okay, there's two just absolutely egregious things going on here.
	The two hours late, egregious.
	Bringing the friend, egregious.
	Egregious.
	So he fucked up.
	That guy's an idiot.
	Yeah, and he lost his chance with me.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think at the end of the day, though, better find out sooner that the dude has like a room, like a two-digit IQ.
	Absolutely.
	I'm sorry, but if you're two hours late and then you're asking to bring a friend, you may very well be.
	Can I put a situation out there, though?
	Because I have to, right?
	Are you about to make a threesome?
	She's about to devil's advocate.
	I am going to ask you.
	Why was he late?
	Did you ask why he was late?
	Who knows?
	Maybe this, oh, I can't say that word on here, but maybe his friend really needed a friend and he was in one of those times and he couldn't be alone.
	And so his friend was actually a really good friend.
	He was like, sorry, I got to bring my buddy with me.
	Do we ask him why?
	Why was he two hours late?
	We cannot make judgments without understanding.
	I don't care about people's problems when you're going on a date.
	Like if you're two hours late and you're having a problem, if you're having some anxiety or whatever it is, just pull out on the date.
	Just say, hey, can't come.
	Yeah, yeah, communication is definitely key.
	Oh, I want to ask some more clarifying details on that.
	Did he, so what was the time of the date?
	So originally it was supposed to be at 8 p.m.
	Okay.
	He showed up at 10.
	So question.
	So originally it was at 8 p.m.
	Did you show up at 8 p.m.?
	So he was picking me up from my house.
	I was ready at my home.
	Okay, so you were at, okay, so you were at your house.
	You weren't going to meet there.
	At what point prior to 8 p.m. did he text you saying, hey, I'm running?
	Like, did he make it very clear here?
	I can meet at 10 p.m.
	He texted me around 7 saying he was going to be an hour late.
	And then, you know, the hour late comes by and he's like, give me another hour.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's at least good that he told you an hour in advance that he was going to be late.
	Because some people will, like, you could have gone to the place and he's texting you at 8 p.m.
	You're already there.
	Oh, I'm an hour late.
	So, I mean, still, though.
	Still.
	Okay, so then, so he picked you up at 10, so he ended up being two hours later than that.
	Yeah.
	And so we get to the bowling alley at 11, right?
	And there's an hour wait.
	And the thing, or not, we don't get there at 11.
	We get there at like 10.05, 10.10, but the bowling alley closes at 11, and there's an hour wait.
	So we couldn't bowl.
	So I said, okay, just take me home then.
	So me, him, and his friend are just chatting in this car as he takes me home.
	And that was the date.
	It was like.
	Oh, so the date was like 20 minutes.
	10 minutes.
	Literally.
	Can I throw another situation out there?
	Wait, before you do, did he try, did he like try to smash?
	Yeah.
	He said, you want to go inside and drink some wine and go kick it?
	I said, no.
	Yikes.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, I was just about to say, I was going to say, did it ever occur to you maybe you were the third on their date?
	Oh my god, you're a genius.
	No.
	What?
	Highly unlikely, but highly unlikely.
	No, no, that was not the case.
	But I don't know.
	I think, again, communication and honesty.
	If you know you're going to be late, just tell me straight up.
	Or just pull out.
	Like, be for real.
	I'm busy.
	I got time.
	I got classes to study for.
	Like, don't waste my time.
	I'm being safe.
	I pull out.
	I agree.
	You should always pull out.
	It's the safe.
	Okay, anyways.
	Good.
	Okay.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, wow.
	How did we get there?
	We were talking about effort, if I recall.
	Oh, yeah, sorry.
	Yeah, I was asking.
	Okay, ladies, ladies, all right.
	All these guys, these terrible American men, they're not putting in enough effort.
	I think the question was, what are women doing in terms of their effort during those initial stages?
	What do women do initially to build a relationship?
	Cricket.
	Starting over here.
	Well, she answered, sort of.
	She said, good communication.
	Exactly.
	So you're saying if he wasn't pursuing it and I wanted to, what would I be doing?
	Well, let's say there's a mutual level of interest.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Mutual level of interest and you guys are going on decks.
	What's his part?
	What you said, like, I'm going to pick you up at this time.
	Pursuing like bringing him flowers.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I guess I would just ask him like meaningful questions and remember them and do little thoughtful things.
	Okay.
	My love language is acts of service, so I feel like I'll counter if someone does something for me, I'll be like, oh, let me do something for you.
	But that's also just how I show my love.
	So like if a guy shows up with flowers on one date, the next date, maybe, you know, I make you dinner.
	Like it's like a little back and forth, you know?
	Sweet.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There's some better answers.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Like I said before, I like getting flowers.
	I don't expect flowers on the first date.
	But I do think that if a man puts in that investment, that investment does come back.
	Whether, you know, that relationship continues, me getting him gifts on a higher degree than flowers.
	Like Lily said, cooking dinner, it comes back in a different way.
	I think that men have, this is my opinion.
	I know a lot of people disagree with that.
	I think men have a, not a role, but certain things that they can do to get a woman, and a woman has her part, like giving him loyalty during that talking stage.
	You know, being free for him, we are busy too, you know.
	So making time for those dates, helping plan those dates, doing dates that he enjoys, like finding out his hobbies and doing the things that he likes, getting to know him.
	That's the effort we put in during that like talking stage.
	Good answer.
	Okay, that was a good answer.
	Especially being loyal during that initial stage.
	I concur with that.
	And the thoughtful things.
	I think both of you guys said that.
	That was good.
	Good times.
	Oh, did you guys have anything over here?
	Do you guys have anything to add about what a lady should do?
	I think she said it all.
	I think she said it all.
	I would just say a big one is just being there, like emotionally and physically.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, I do also believe in equal efforts from both this side.
	One time a person is paying, I would say next time I'm ready.
	And I would love to do that for him if I see he's doing things for me.
	And also, yeah, the time, I would say time is the most important.
	And like being nice and like showing him like I'm really interested in him.
	Yeah, if I am, that's why I'm pursuing it like for like further.
	Just not like killing his time and just showing him like kind of mostly like I've seen this.
	Oh, just show the less interest.
	Then why are you dating?
	Okay.
	Sure.
	I have some pre-shows.
	Some of you were able to provide some pre-show notes, so I'm just going to go over some of those pre-show notes.
	Your name's pronounced Van Chica?
	Yes, you can call me V. V. Okay, V for Fandela.
	Got it.
	Shall we get the mask?
	I have the guy Fox mask.
	You said you were recently in the love triangle.
	Yeah, it was kind of love triangle.
	I was hanging out with like a crew.
	I had friends, so I was spending a lot of time, I would say.
	Just my free time, I was just spending with the guy.
	And yeah, my girlfriend used to like him too.
	So it stuck in the middle, I would say.
	So it was one guy, you and your friend?
	Yeah.
	So he was stuck in the middle.
	Yeah.
	So he was sleeping with you and your friend?
	I didn't say about sleeping.
	No.
	I just said about liking.
	Oh, liking?
	Yeah.
	Well, did he like either of you?
	So I would say he was more into me.
	But yeah.
	It didn't work out or?
	No, actually, we talk about it, and he want to date a girl who actually is willing to marry because he thinks he's 30, he's well settled, so he wants to get married.
	And I said, I'm 24, my struggling life has just started here.
	So I can't commit to you, so it's better to not date.
	You just find your goal, whatever you're looking for.
	Okay.
	You do want to get married eventually, correct?
	Yeah, but not currently, I would say.
	Kids eventually?
	Yes, for sure.
	Gotcha.
	You also said no one should fake orgasms.
	Now, here's the interesting part.
	One guy that you dated did.
	Yeah, the past one, I would say.
	And so you're curious if guys do that.
	He faked the dude, faked the orgasm.
	Did he tell you why?
	And how did you know?
	I just know it.
	You just, if you know about a girl, you know about a boy too.
	Huh?
	You know it, just you know.
	Instead of mic if you can.
	I think you just know it.
	Just once or twice, oh, it's okay, I don't know it.
	But later on, you eventually know it.
	What was his facial expression?
	Could you brain actor?
	I don't want to go into the deep, but yeah, eventually you know it.
	You're really quiet, so can you make sure you're really on the mic?
	Can you hear me now?
	You can scoot the chair a little closer to the top.
	Bit of body heat, we need it.
	I would say you knew it if you're sleeping with that guy.
	Jake, have you ever faked an orgasm?
	No.
	I wouldn't even know how to.
	I'm not that good an actor.
	I couldn't do it.
	I feel like most guys don't have trouble.
	Why would you fake?
	That's a bizarre thing for me.
	If you don't, you don't.
	Have you ever.
	Once.
	Have you?
	Well, what?
	You have?
	You hit it.
	What?
	All right.
	Spencer, what about you?
	Nope.
	Nope.
	How about you, Brian?
	You ever faked one?
	No.
	Never faked one.
	No.
	I thought about it.
	You never just wanted it to be over.
	Yeah, but I can usually bring myself to climbs if I do want it to be over.
	You know, so, okay, that's it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I wouldn't fake it.
	Like, I would either just be like, all right, let's just stay on time.
	Let's just stop.
	Say it then.
	Or I would just.
	So, okay, did you reckon he had like a kink for faking it?
	Like, he felt a bit naughty, like he could get away with it.
	Sorry, I didn't understand that.
	Do you think that it was like a kink for him?
	You know?
	I don't know.
	Maybe he felt a bit checked.
	Start doing it if you don't want it.
	Like, and then maybe he was gay.
	That is possible.
	I would say I'm like less into all these dating hairs, so this is possible.
	Was there a cock in the wrist when he walked?
	No.
	No.
	Nothing like that.
	Nothing like that.
	So going around the table, I think this is probably pretty rare, but has a guy ever faked an orgasm with you?
	No.
	Going back around this way, have you ever faked an O?
	Go ahead.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Maybe.
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	Wait, so that was yes for everyone besides you?
	Except for the two liars.
	You said no.
	Okay.
	I have a question, right?
	I think maybe one or two of you said good communication is important.
	Do you guys think good communication is important?
	Yeah, that's not.
	Well, hold on just a second here.
	Yeah.
	Don't women often criticize men are just these terrible communicators.
	Men don't communicate.
	But in a very important aspect of relationships, why is it that y'all be faking orgasms?
	What is going on?
	You said relationships in a relationship.
	Or even an orgasm.
	Except I've never faked an orgasm.
	Okay, just with the casual sexual encounters with hot, sexy Europeans?
	That's not a roast.
	I'm just.
	Maybe.
	It's okay.
	Good for you.
	All right.
	That's fun.
	Because it helps them to finish.
	Okay.
	Makes a bit more sense.
	That's a fair point.
	I still don't think you should do it, though.
	Do you understand, though?
	You're not a woman.
	You don't know exactly how it all works in there.
	So sometimes it doesn't always go there.
	And you might like be satisfied in your feeling and your situation and still want to give them.
	So you're saying it's a charitable act.
	Truth uber alis.
	The truth is the most important.
	Give me the, I don't want, I want the truth.
	Always.
	Okay, so you rather than stop and say, I'm sorry, you're not doing a good job and your girlfriend does not end up.
	You don't want that.
	No.
	No, I don't want that.
	Okay.
	But like, the truth would be a girl not faking an orgasm.
	So what would the truth be?
	Would be her own.
	Well, the orgasm becomes non-existent.
	Huh?
	The orgasm ceases to exist.
	There is no.
	Yeah, just you don't lie.
	Yeah.
	The truth would be not committing an act of.
	And if you, I mean, is that if your partner was failing to pleasure you, is that how you would go about in an intimate sexual setting, just kind of bluntly and ruthlessly just saying, yeah, you kind of fucking suck.
	I don't think that would be like me.
	Huh?
	If they weren't doing a good job on me, then I would say something.
	Well, how would you say it?
	I would just be like, I don't know, this isn't feeling good.
	I don't like this.
	Let's try something else.
	Wait, what's the last part?
	Let's try something else.
	Oh, let's try something.
	Wait, when you say this isn't feeling good, are you communicating that it's painful or discomforting, or it's just you're not feeling pleasure or sensation?
	They're just, you know, not hitting it.
	They're not knowing what they're doing, or it's just not what you want.
	Maybe they're really into doing something and you wanted to do something else.
	Okay.
	So how would you go about telling the person?
	You would just tell them.
	Well, how?
	Because there's a, I'm sure there's a diplomatic way and then there's like a way that would like totally kill the mood.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there is.
	And that happens sometimes.
	And there's also a lot of fun.
	And that's, I mean, that's on their.
	I mean, I might, yeah, I have.
	Because they aren't precisely hitting the correct spot in that precise.
	If the mood is killed, it's hard to come back up, you know?
	Well, isn't it you killing the mood?
	Might be.
	Well, it would.
	Because I want, it might be a little selfish, but if I'm not feeling it and it's just not going good, and I'm just like, okay, I'm not into this anymore.
	So if it's like momentarily not feeling good, like if you're not continuously feeling pleasure, you're just going to like abruptly stop the sex.
	No.
	Have you ever had that situation with somebody you have a deeper connection with?
	Somebody that you've been on dates, have been in a relationship with, and you've had to kill the mood with those people?
	Yes.
	That'd be awkward.
	Better than faking orgasms, right?
	There's also like a nice Like what do you want?
	You guys are so difficult to say what do you want?
	It's actually quite difficult.
	Wait, women are difficult to please?
	Apparently, what do you want?
	Well, but it's not about, but you just said it's not about our pleasure.
	No, I did not say that.
	Let's recall.
	So I did not say that.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	You said if you were not in that specific.
	Yes, I advocate for myself.
	I'm a self-advocate, but I'm not saying that.
	No, but I'm confused why you're saying, well, men are so difficult to please, but you abruptly ending the sexual encounter or interrupting the sexual encounter, it seems strictly because of your lack of specific pleasure in that specific moment.
	It's not just like a one little, like, oh, you messed up for one moment, that's it.
	But if you're trying and you say, hmm, let's try something else.
	Do you think maybe you're not attracted to the person, though?
	Huh?
	Do you think maybe you're not attracted to the person?
	It sounds like you're very worried about the physical feeling.
	But if you're sharing that intimacy with somebody who you actually care about, that situation is not going to occur where you're just so off it because you're sharing something very intimate.
	Do you think you maybe just don't like the person and you should be careful?
	I think that's true.
	I think that there's sometimes that you're just not into that.
	Do you think you're maybe a little bit too worried about the physical pleasure and sensation rather than the actual act that you're engaging in?
	No.
	Fair enough.
	Thank you.
	I think I was saying something about communication being important.
	Y'all can't, you gotta stop faking orgasms, guys.
	You can't be faking orgasms.
	Just let the guy take the L and then, you know, let him take the L. You know, I think.
	Especially, but I don't understand the logic of, well, in a relationship, I wouldn't, and I don't know if that was everyone's response, but I know you said that.
	But in the casual encounter, sure, I guess I'll fake an orgasm.
	Well, it would occur to me, wouldn't it?
	Not that I think you should fake it in a relationship, but wouldn't it make like if you don't give a fuck about this casual encounter person, why bother to fake an orgasm?
	I think it's like the killing the mood thing.
	It's just like, if you're having a good time with someone, like, I don't know.
	And it's just like, you're not.
	Oh, sorry.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200.
	Not really sure which waffle house you picked up these ladies.
	We don't have waffle houses.
	But maybe try IHOP next time.
	All this talk of communication, they can't even express what gets them off.
	Fuck's sake, I mate.
	They want to know.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Well, it is an interesting point.
	I mean, you often hear women, you know, they often say they wish men communicated better.
	Men are poor communicators, but also it's, you know, y'all be faking orgasms.
	I think that's poor communication.
	Well, you're talking sexually versus planning dates and stuff.
	You're trying to compare two forms of communication.
	Well, I mean, I think when we're talking about communication, we can talk about all sorts of things.
	But like, I think we can all agree sex is an important part of a relationship.
	And if you're not being satisfied and you know you can, but you're not communicated and you're defaulting to, here, let me fake an orgasm, that's not, you're not communicating your lack of receiving pleasure and being able to climax.
	Yeah, but look, like if you're traveling, you know you're never gonna see this person again, you're having a good time, or you guys are friends, you know, you're leaving the next day.
	Are you really gonna sit there?
	I mean, maybe this is healthy, but like sit them down and be like, Okay, this is actually really what I like, this is what makes me comfortable, these are my boundaries, blah blah blah.
	If you're having a moment and stuff, I mean, either fake the orgasm or don't fake the orgasm, okay, fine.
	But if it's in a relationship or something more serious, something that you know you're gonna see this person again, then I think it's very important to communicate and yeah, yeah, communicate.
	Yeah, I mean, I certainly agree that it would be more important to not fake orgasms if this is somebody that you're pursuing for a long-term relationship.
	Versus, I suppose, I don't have a super strong objection if you're just a casual encounter, although I'm not really in favor of casual encounters, but at least from my point of view, to me, it's like, what's the point?
	It's not something I'm particularly interested in, but I think even in a casual encounter, you could be like, and it doesn't, the communication, I mean, it's just like could just be like, rub my clip this way, or you know, whatever.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	True.
	Word.
	Word.
	Has anybody here faked an orgasm in a relationship or with somebody who you wanted to pursue a potential relationship with?
	No.
	Anyone?
	Katie, you said you're husband?
	It was only the first time, but I communicated it to him afterwards.
	Okay.
	So we talked about it and we fixed it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But I just felt scared in the moment.
	I didn't want to say anything because I don't want to hurt his feelings, obviously.
	It's the first time, so yeah.
	Good to know.
	Good to know.
	Did you have something, Katie?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	We have some more notes here.
	Last thing with you, you said you believe if you feel attracted towards someone, you should just come clean with your intentions on the first date.
	If you want to have sex, just say it.
	Yeah, I would say, like, just don't play with the feelings.
	Like, you want to have like a, oh, I want to take it more further.
	You want to just hook up, just say it.
	I'm not ready for it.
	I don't want to do it.
	I will say it straight to your face.
	No, don't put efforts.
	Don't go on more dates because I'm not going to do that.
	But I think don't play with the feelings and don't make it like more forward dates and more hanging out.
	You should be clear with the intention, whatever you want.
	You want to okay.
	So if I want to go around the table on this, starting with you.
	Are you on dating apps?
	Yeah, I am on Bumble BFF.
	Okay, Hinge or anything, Tinder anything?
	Let's say it's like very early on when you've met a guy.
	Maybe it's maybe you met him in person, maybe you met him on the dating app, and fairly early on in the interaction, he does exactly what you've suggested, exactly what you've recommended.
	A guy just point blank says, I'm trying to think the best way a guy could phrase this.
	He's just like, hey, I think you're cute.
	Do you want to have sex?
	You gonna go for it?
	No.
	Okay, what about you?
	Well, if you weren't married, of course.
	Of course.
	If a guy went up to me, if a guy went up to me and asked me, hey, you're cute, want to have sex?
	Yeah.
	What would I say?
	Yeah.
	No, I don't think I'd like that.
	Same.
	I think, like, in theory, that's a good practice.
	Like, so we don't get screwed over.
	But like, realistically, if I came to a date in the back of my mind, I was like, okay, sleeping with this man, I would never sleep with the man if he like outright just said, I want to sleep with you.
	I think you're cute.
	I think when you come to these dates, there's a sense of what both people are trying to get out of that first encounter.
	Personally, I would say no, just because I don't go on dates just to sleep with people.
	What if you just went to have sex just to have sex with them?
	If I was just going to have sex with them and they said, yeah, you want to have sex, then yeah.
	Okay.
	I think it just depends on your intention going into the date.
	Just to be clear, if a guy up front was like, hey, do you want to have sex?
	And you'd be open to that.
	Is it a pre-planned date or is this a random guy coming to me on the street?
	It depends on how, like, do I know the guy?
	Like, what's the background context with this guy?
	Have you been on the dating app?
	I have been on it.
	You matched with him on the dating app.
	You think he's attractive?
	Had a little pleasant back and forth.
	That's the extent of it.
	And if my intention was to hook up with this man and he said that, then we're on the same page.
	Isn't that your intention, though?
	Yeah, that's my intention, then yes.
	But not all of my intentions on the dating app is just to sleep with people.
	So, okay, so long as he asks it up front, but if he were to ask you, like, on a date, just to grab some food, and then he asked it, then you would object.
	It depends on if my intentions going on that date was to sleep with him or if it was to get to know him and like, you know, like further advance that more into a relationship.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No.
	If they walked out, like, no, I mean, there'd be need to be more to that.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	Same.
	Yeah, no.
	Unless, yeah, no.
	Wait, so okay.
	You match with a guy on a date.
	You've been on a dating app?
	Like once.
	Once, okay.
	Did you go out partying at all?
	Here, no.
	Here, no.
	Okay.
	And most of the ones that come up and say that, it's like, no.
	Okay.
	It's like, it's not my intention.
	See, I'm not really like, that's not attractive to me.
	If I was at a state of my life and I know that there's many people out there who, yeah, like, they just want to have sex and sex is fun for that.
	And, you know, they're vibing with the person and they're like, okay, do you want to go have sex?
	Then, yeah.
	But I'm personally like, that's not where I'm at right now.
	Would it be too forward?
	And you think, like, if a guy just straight up asked you, hey, do you want to have sex?
	Not in a creepy way, but just like in the most, you know, just normal way you can ask somebody.
	What if he was really super duper hot?
	Super duper.
	If he was super duper hot and I wanted to have sex, just sex, I didn't see him as anything else, then I think that's super, yeah, that's good.
	What if you wanted more, though?
	If I wanted more, then no.
	See, the problem is that you girls always think about some creepy guy in a big coat.
	You think about this question.
	We're talking about Chad's.
	No, we don't.
	I've been thinking about Chad's.
	I mean, maybe it's because of my age.
	Maybe because I'm 29, but yeah, I think about the little college boys that are.
	Okay.
	Wait, but so hold on.
	Just to be clear.
	So, wait.
	A guy that you would want to have a relationship with, you would want to wait to have sex.
	100%, yes.
	I want to go around the table on that one, but if there was just some like hot dude and I'm trying to think how I frame this question.
	Hmm.
	He was just straight up, wanted to have sex, he communicated it.
	You'd also go for that.
	You'd just have the quick, casual sex.
	If I wanted a relationship with him?
	Well, if you didn't, I suppose.
	And all I wanted was sex at that moment?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	At that moment, if all you wanted was sex.
	Okay.
	I'm at the time in my life where I don't want to date and it's a guy and I'm friends with and I don't see him as anything more than a friend or like I just know I don't want to have a relationship with him like that.
	But you know, there's some banter, there's some tension.
	He's like, okay, I think you're really attractive.
	Like I want to have sex.
	And that's what I wanted, then yes.
	I see.
	I have something for this, Nick.
	If you can start pulling it up, it's in the Dropbox folder.
	It's F8.
	It's like a Reddit thread we can react to.
	It's next to the picture of Molly.
	It's black.
	It's like a black screen grab from Reddit F8L in the just the first Dropbox folder.
	I mean, you don't need to show it to us.
	But get that pulled up.
	And then what about you?
	A guy, I know you're in a relationship right now.
	Let's assume you were single or back when you were single.
	Guy walks up to you or maybe matches with you on a dating app.
	It's just, hey, I think you're cute.
	Do you want to have sex?
	Yay or nay?
	Probably from the dating app, even if he was really hot, not the first time.
	Just because I'm going to assume that that's how all his dates go, and that's kind of gross because to me, it's like exchanging souls way more than just having sex.
	It's kind of like giving a piece, which I feel fine, but like receiving, I don't know what I'm receiving.
	Wait, I'm like, I don't want to get really into it.
	It's kind of spiritual, but just cooties.
	Talking like STDs.
	I mean, that and like, I don't know.
	I'm just very like, this is my temple, and I don't want bad energy from someone I don't know very well.
	Even if you're not.
	Your body is your temple.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So how long do you think, and I will return, I do want to return to the whole, you know, waiting.
	How long do you think you should wait before having sex with somebody?
	I don't know.
	Kind of when you know, you know.
	Like if I really like the guy and I see potential and I want to keep hanging out with him, then of course I would.
	You would sooner rather than later.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I see.
	So what if you're on the you're like a fence on the fence about the guy?
	On the fence.
	I don't know if you've had a lot of time.
	I probably would still.
	Yeah.
	I'd be okay with having sex, even though it's kind of like, maybe.
	Well, your current boyfriend, how was it the first date?
	No.
	Second date?
	Yeah.
	Mm-hmm.
	Second date, but there was a lot of time between them because we met one day when I was still living in Missouri and then he went back to California.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, Nick, don't pull it up yet, but do you have it?
	Okay, we'll react to that in just a sec.
	So I think the point was, so actually, we'll go around the table on that.
	How long do you think you should wait before having sex with somebody?
	How long do you like to wait?
	I like to wait.
	If I actually see a potential of a relationship and I want to be in a relationship, I wait a while, I would say, more than the average person.
	So if you see a potential for a relationship, and I want a relationship, you'll wait.
	Yes.
	Coincidingly, though, if you don't see a potential for a relationship, you willing to have sex immediately if I'm like traveling and I want to have experiences, yes.
	Okay, so when you're traveling.
	If I want sex, yes.
	Yeah, and you just were traveling, correct?
	You were in Europe, you said you were in Spain.
	Did you go to any other countries or just stuck?
	Okay.
	Okay, so if you're just traveling, so you are, you don't have any qualms with having sex with someone immediately.
	Like, okay, while you were in Europe, like, was there just like some dude, maybe you were at a party or something?
	I don't know.
	And like an hour later, like, you guys are hooking up.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	But If you mark the person as somebody you want to have something long-term with, then how do you have a sense of how long you'd like to wait?
	It depends on the person.
	Do you have an estimate?
	Like a couple weeks, a couple dates, a couple months?
	I've done a couple months before.
	You've done a couple months before.
	Okay.
	Is that recently?
	Wait, but I thought you oh no, you did have a one-year relationship, correct?
	Okay, was that the one-year-old?
	Yeah.
	So your one-year relationship, you're 20, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	When was the how old were you when you had the one-year relationship?
	18.
	18.
	Was this in high school or end of high school?
	Okay.
	Now, prior to the one-year relationship, did you have any of those experiences?
	Was it just kind of more fun?
	No, not really.
	Okay, so your one-year relationship, was that the first guy that you had ever been with?
	First guy I've ever had sex with.
	Okay, first guy you ever had sex with.
	Okay, so I mean, that changes things a little bit because, I mean, so you were, it was your first time having sex, you were a virgin, so you waited a little bit.
	But after that relationship, you're more open to just having sex immediately?
	I'm still not really that type of person.
	Well, you just said that.
	Like, if I'm traveling and stuff, but I'm not.
	You may wonder why we don't want to be traveling.
	I'm not, but I'm, I'm, you know, I'm living in a place for, you know, four or six months.
	I know that, like, it's not going to be a long-term relationship for me with Michael.
	It's not going to work out.
	Like, I see.
	It's not like I'm going out there and I'm looking for people to hook up with.
	Right.
	You know.
	If you had a long-term boyfriend, would you go traveling?
	Yes.
	By yourself?
	Do you think that he would be reasonable to have objections to that?
	Hopefully, he wouldn't, or he would travel with me.
	But you would go traveling by yourself, though.
	I would.
	With a boyfriend.
	100%.
	And he's at home.
	I mean, if he doesn't want to come, yeah.
	Also, it's healthy to have those things.
	I would not give up traveling at this point in my life for to stay at home, to be in a relationship.
	Okay.
	So I'm curious.
	So, for example, like you just were traveling.
	It sounds like you just had some of these short-term casual experiences.
	How long have you been back here in Santa Barbara in California?
	Or not in San just back home?
	A month.
	You've been back home a month.
	Okay.
	Less than a month or what?
	Oh, I thought you were like shaking your head or something like that.
	I'm not.
	I was just cracking my neck.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Okay, so you've been now that you're back here.
	Are you trying to the next do you think?
	Okay.
	The guy, the next guy that you could potentially see as having a relationship with, are you going to want to wait to have sex with him?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Just off of the back of having a string of short, like immediate, casual sexual encounters.
	I mean, there weren't that many, but yeah.
	Yeah.
	If you don't mind me asking, how many?
	Over the last six months?
	Yeah.
	Like four?
	Like four?
	Five.
	No.
	Plus or minus?
	Okay.
	Okay, four.
	At least four.
	Do you is it conceivable that that guy who you are potentially eyeballing for a long-term relationship and let's say he wants to have sex, but you're like, no, no, no, no, I want a long-term rel I want I really like you.
	I want it to be serious.
	If he knows that you, your previous standard was, well, when I'm in Europe, I'll fuck the guy immediately.
	Do you anticipate that a guy might object to that?
	I hope that he wouldn't.
	I hope he would respect my boundaries.
	And also, do you realize that you only have boundaries for him, though?
	Also, when you guys say fuck immediately and have sex immediately, that's not always what happened in Europe.
	Like a lot of the time, when I say casual, it was like friends that turned into more.
	Not relationships, but you know, more than that.
	It's not like I don't know.
	Well, but it sounded like, I mean, I asked you, I think, if you know, you had hooked up within like an hour of meeting somebody.
	That happened twice.
	Twice, right.
	So then your boyfriend's gonna have that standard in mind when he wants to.
	He's getting different treatment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because the guys in Europe I wasn't pursuing long-term relationships with, but hey, it almost occurs to me, though, if this is somebody that you see for long-term, with long-term potential, wouldn't that be the guy who's more deserving of having like sleeping with sooner?
	No.
	Like, wouldn't you, but if you, like, really like the guy, wouldn't you want to have sex with him?
	I would.
	Because to me, it seems like you're almost gamifying.
	It's like you're playing a game.
	No, no, I would definitely want to have a lot of fun.
	So why would you, if you don't have any sort of objections to sleeping with somebody fast, because you don't, why would you make a potential boyfriend wait to have sex?
	Because I would want to make sure that we're in a relationship that's based on much more than just sex or much more than just my body.
	But why can't you simultaneously, like you're using it as like the carrot on the stick?
	Why can't you simultaneously build a relationship and have sex at the same time?
	You definitely can, but I would just wait.
	But you have no like moral objections to sleeping with someone quickly, so I just don't understand.
	Like it's not like you're religious and you're waiting until marriage because that's like your moral or religious point of view.
	Can I pitch in?
	Well, I'd like to, but you can add to it in a bit, but I'm trying to get an answer from her.
	Well, for me, I mean, sex, like it is, it is very meaningful.
	Yes, even when I've hooked, yes, it is.
	Okay.
	It is.
	For me, sex is meaningful.
	But so why the different standard for shouldn't, if it is, if that is the case, why engage in casual sexual encounters?
	Because I'm on a different side of the world.
	I'm 20.
	I'm living life.
	I want to experience that.
	I haven't done it before.
	I want to experience hookup culture.
	It was fine.
	Like, you know, but it's for me like a long-term relationship that's serious.
	Okay.
	And I just, I want to really get to know the person.
	I want to make sure that we're compatible intellectually, compatible emotionally, compatible, you know, like that.
	And that also makes the sex better.
	Sure, but having.
	But all those things you listed, if you were to have sex with them on the same timeline that you've had sex with these casual encounters, that wouldn't preclude you from any of those other things that you want to explore with a partner.
	Can I give one example?
	Absolutely.
	So how would you feel if so?
	Would you prefer someone to buy you a really nice gift, an expensive gift, or take you for a weekend away?
	Take me for a weekend away.
	Okay.
	How would you feel if you were dating a guy and all you wanted was for him to take you for a nice weekend away, but he made you wait three months and then you found out that five other girls, he took them for a nice weekend away straight away.
	How would that make you feel?
	I mean, I would just ask him, why did you take, like, what is it about me that made you not want to take me away?
	If this is what you were doing with all the other girls, I'd be like, oh, maybe I'm not like all the other girls then, you know?
	Well, it's kind of a special thing to take someone away for a weekend.
	So would you feel that maybe he doesn't have the same sort of burning desire to spend that time with you?
	I mean, I'd have to communicate with him about it.
	But I don't know.
	Think like logically that would mean that he doesn't have the desire to want to spend that time with you straight away?
	No.
	Because for us, it's like a woman's body is very sacred.
	So if I want to be in a relationship with a girl and she says to me, you're going to wait, if you're Logan Paul though, and like she and you find out that she's slept with a bunch of different guys straight away, then you're going to feel like she just doesn't really have that desire for you.
	Did you see the whole Logan Paul situation?
	No.
	But Logan Paul's wife, they went on podcasts together and she was saying how, oh, I made him wait, I made him wait.
	And he was saying, yeah, like that's how I knew she was the one.
	And then he was fighting a guy and then the guy, Dylan Dennis, came out with all of these photos of all these guys that she'd been with.
	And it turns out she hadn't exactly been so tempered with her body before that.
	So then Logan Paul got taken at this point.
	But these are different people.
	Like in my life, it's someone who I have a deeper connection with and I want to, you know, I want to have that deep connection with versus, you know, a night out in Europe.
	Like it's just a whole different realm.
	So you're thinking from it very much from your perspective though.
	It's kind of not really hearing much empathy with how the guy might feel.
	Because whether they admit it or not, like us guys have big egos, right?
	So when we have our girl, if we find out that she's given it away to guys really easily beforehand with us, and then she made us wait, it makes us look like a mug.
	And then other people, when they see that, like if I saw my mate and he was with a girl and he's like, yeah, man, I think she's the one, she's making me wait.
	And then Brian was like, no, I hit it first night.
	I would think that my friend was a bit of a mug getting made to wait like that.
	Really?
	So guys have, guys have that politics.
	And maybe you're not aware of it, but I think it depends on the fact that you have to think about the ego of the man that you're.
	I think it depends on the ego of the man.
	Well, and here's, I mean, to add to what Jake is saying, it's kind of like the way we might view it is, you know, women often, for example, might complain about fuckboys, right?
	So you reward the fuckboys who will never give you commitment with immediate sex, and you're going to punish the guys worthy of a relationship by making them wait weeks, months, or even until marriage.
	And look, ultimately, it's certainly your prerogative.
	If you want to have 100 previous sexual partners, you slept with them 100 previous sexual partners, you slept with them on the first date, and then the next guy, it's we're waiting until marriage.
	That's 100% your right.
	We're coming at it from the guy's perspective of, hey, 100% you're right.
	If you, that was your previous standard, all the other guys you slept with immediately, now you want to make me wait for marriage, that's your right.
	But we're going to view that in a certain type of way of like, you're not the girl for a lot of guys are going to feel a certain type of way about that.
	They're going to have an issue with that.
	And it does seem to me to be, I don't know if it's, it's a bit of a double standard to some degree.
	Like you have not, not in the typical sense of a double standard, but you have one standard for this cohort of men and a different standard for another cohort of men.
	So, yeah.
	Can I make a comment on something you guys said?
	Sure.
	So when you guys were talking about like, you know, she's the one because she waited to sleep with you.
	Maybe that's why like a lot of women, I think also, if I'm trying to pursue a guy in a relationship, I want like a lot of guys' perspectives are, oh, she's going to make me wait.
	So she's the one.
	If I'm trying to pursue this guy, I want to be the one, you know?
	So I'll be like, oh, it will show a good up, like it's a good put forward if I don't sleep with him on the first date because that means when I'm interested in him, I want to hear about him.
	Like it's not just about sex for that.
	I'd say you've got a good point in terms of the fact that you want to present yourself as somebody who's a long-term partner.
	However, you have to be very wary of your past coming back to bite you in that regard.
	In terms of if he's a proud guy and he finds out that actually, in fact, you didn't make other people wait, then that's going to be an issue.
	But if you're somebody who has a track record of not of making people wait, or if you're somebody who's saving themselves to a marriage, for example, then a guy's going to really respect that.
	I guess I think that it sets up a completely different dynamic what you choose to do.
	So if you're sleeping with a guy on the first day and you know you don't want anything serious, you're letting him know that.
	I think there's an understanding when you're going into a date or pursuing someone in a relationship that both of you are waiting.
	Sure, one more person might be eager, but there's an understanding that you're getting to know one another.
	In the past, like if I've slept with someone earlier after getting to know them, that never results in a relationship.
	That leads into a situationship where friends with benefits.
	And I think that waiting structures a successful person.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	But I guess I do get what you're saying.
	And you do want to set a precedent, but you can't really have your cake and eat it.
	Because if that's not your standard all the time, then it can't be your standard for me.
	And my personal standards and like a lot of the guys who I know would be the exact same like that.
	So are you saying that if you ever did a one-night stand in your life, that you no longer, you're not up to standards to have a relationship if the girl wants to wait.
	If you once in your life had a one-night stand.
	And then you meet someone that you want to pursue a relationship with and she wants to wait.
	But you didn't wait in the past.
	If her standard was that she always makes people wait, and if she didn't respect the fact that I had had one night stands, then that would be fair enough if she didn't want to do that.
	Okay.
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	Hello to all.
	I wonder where the podcast will go this time.
	That is a good question.
	Who knows?
	Who knows where it will go?
	Maybe someone will pull out.
	No, I do see a point I think.
	A lot of guys would say, oh, yeah, men and women are different.
	And men and women are different in that regard when it comes to promiscuity and sleeping around.
	But I would say that if I met a woman and she was like a woman of high moral principle and she said, I've waited so much and I've resisted so much temptation and you've done this, this and that, sorry.
	I would understand because my past has come back to bite me.
	Sure, but do you feel you yourself feel like these one-night stands made you ineligible for a good relationship?
	They probably did affect it, yeah.
	Okay.
	Definitely, definitely.
	Even like guys are different.
	I do think that guys are different to girls in that regard.
	But I would say that definitely, if you look at a person who's like a really devout Christian or Muslim their whole life and they wait till marriage, then they're going to be of a different, they're going to think about sex and relationships and everything very differently.
	But the world that we live in, we're surrounded by so much temptation and so much freedom and liberty and yask queen and everything that it's very hard to sort of fend off that temptation sometimes.
	So yeah, that's what I'd say about that.
	Yeah, and I mean, as far as and I think there's certainly a scope to it too.
	I mean, you said if a girl had one one-night stand and then moving on from there, her new standard became, well, I'm going to wait for all my future partners.
	I think that's a little different than a girl who's perhaps had multiple casual engagements.
	Say she has had 10, 20, 30 of the 10, 20, 30 guys she's had sex with that she all did it immediately.
	Then, oh, this is the guy I want to be in a relationship with.
	I want to wait three months, 90-day rule or something like that.
	It doesn't come across as like an actual authentic standard.
	It just seems like you've just totally, and it's your prerogative to shift, but we're not saying women shouldn't be allowed to do that.
	And of course, you should, if you want to change for the better, fantastic.
	But don't expect men to accept your past.
	We also have a right to discernment and judgment, just as you do.
	And we're allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	So did you have something on this?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Oh, I can keep going and then if you want to think about it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I have a couple examples here that I could give you that might be able to paint it a little bit.
	So here's an analogy, sort of the inverse.
	Telling your date that, so all the exes got five-star meals, but she gets McDonald's because you've turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying to impress people.
	That's one example.
	So you're on the date with a guy, you know, you know that he took all his previous ex-girlfriends that he dated, all the other girls he's seen on these really elaborate, really nice dinners.
	And he doesn't have any financial issues or anything.
	He took them on fantastic dinners, spent $100, $200, but he takes you to McDonald's.
	I have something to say to that.
	What if that man was fine with taking all these women out to nice dinners because he didn't want anything with this girl?
	And then he finds a girl he likes and he wants to make sure she's not a gold digger.
	So he takes her to McDonald's.
	That's exactly what women are saying, that sometimes women...
	So you'd be cool with that?
	Is what you're saying?
	If that's his reasoning, if later on he does take me out to a nice dinner, we have this conversation.
	Don't worry about later on.
	First of all, you know that this man chops out.
	He goes for the filet mignon and he tells her to wear a nice red dress and they go out and they hit the town.
	Your turn comes around and it's Macca's.
	But I think where.
	And he says, I'm going to make sure you're not a gold digger.
	I think where this differs is, are you saying this, if this man knows that you've had these White Night stands, you've slept around, and he doesn't want to pursue you, that's completely okay to say.
	But no, no, no.
	Like, stick to the question for a second.
	Sure.
	Would you be okay with that situation?
	And then him saying to you, I'm not taking you because I want to make sure you're not a gold digger.
	Yeah.
	Did he make sure that everyone else is not a gold digger?
	But he didn't want to pursue the past.
	Well, that's what we're saying.
	We're saying, like, if the wherever you're doing.
	Don't you think there'd be a double standard, though?
	If he said to you, look, first date we're going to Maccabs, just want to make sure you're not a gold digger.
	But then you're thinking to yourself, but you took everyone else to the filet mignon.
	I think it would be a double standard if he didn't plan to see me again the same way.
	You don't know what he's thinking, though.
	This is just objective looking at it straight up.
	There's five ducks in a row.
	One of them is black.
	Sure, but you can't make that comparison when this whole conversation has been that we're that what differs between a relationship and one night stands is because when some of these girls might sleep with them right away, they're not envisioning a relationship.
	They don't want to see them pass this one hookup, two hookups.
	But like, don't you think that there's something that you're giving away that's special there?
	That's what we're trying to get at.
	When we're saying he's done this special act for four other girls, and then you come around, and then you're not getting that special act just yet.
	You have to wait for it.
	I think there's different ideas of special.
	Sure, I think everyone thinks that sex is special, but I also feel like letting someone in to know my personality is also special.
	So like if I'm waiting a few weeks with someone that I want to date, they're getting to know me more than any of these other people are getting to know me.
	Which I think in its way is special.
	And some people don't care about sex, you know?
	Other people do.
	It's very much so based on individual people.
	Do you think for the most part though that guys are going to care about that?
	Guys are going to care about who you've slept with, especially if they know the people.
	Yeah, and I think I think it's okay for them to care.
	I think it's okay for them to judge.
	I know we women, we also judge.
	I don't want to date someone with a huge body count.
	Tons of one-night stands, I think that goes both ways.
	You have a right to judge, you have a right to leave, but in the conversation of how we're feeling, we're just explaining that when we want a relationship with someone and we don't, things differ.
	Yeah, right.
	I get how you guys feel about it, though.
	But do you empathize with how the guy feels about it?
	That's the difference.
	And I'm saying they have a right to not be interested.
	They have a right to leave.
	I'm not saying they have to stick it through.
	If you're dating somebody, say for the first few months or whatever it is, what are the most important factors to that?
	What's the most important thing for you that just says, is this guy worth dating or is he not?
	Honesty.
	Yeah.
	Anything else?
	Loyalty.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So if he was not honest and loyal with you at the start, but you know that he was honest and loyal with five other girls, would that upset you?
	Yeah, but that is not a comparison to you can't compare.
	Well, you just said it's most important.
	One of the things that's most important for me is that she hasn't slept with a lot of people.
	That's acceptable.
	If that's what's most important to you, then absolutely.
	Right.
	I'm not denying what you're saying or that you can get upset.
	That's not my argument at all.
	But then, so I guess at the end of the day, we kind of do agree in a way because we're both allowed to have our standards.
	But the problem is that I kind of get where you guys are coming from.
	Sometimes I don't really think that you girls really get where we're coming from, though.
	Like why we have those objections.
	And you tend to think about it from your own prison.
	But go on.
	You had something?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So where I think what we're talking about is on both sides to even it is that we're talking about the past, right?
	Yes.
	And that we can't, we don't know what happened in someone's past unless we choose to have the conversation with them.
	If we're judging them from their past right off, that's going to be your win or loss.
	And that's for you to decide if you want to have that conversation or not.
	People experience life and all parts of life growing up in different ways and possibly have trauma in different ways and things happen.
	So it goes all from finding out those things.
	You know, if you don't know if that person grew up in a way that that was normalized or whatever and they were promiscuous when they were younger, but now they're realizing, oh, that we are more sacred, that I don't want to be giving my body out like that.
	Like, the best relationships are being able to see that that person changed and being that it's not, oh, you slept with all them first, why aren't you sleeping with me first?
	It's saying, okay, I can see you're at maybe a little bit more immature state of your time, of your life.
	So you're saying that everybody grows up differently.
	We all have our past traumas.
	And sometimes, you know, you were promiscuous in the past, but now you've changed your ways, and somebody should accept you for that.
	I don't like to use the word should.
	That's one of my things.
	I'm trying to eliminate that shit word.
	Why not?
	Should?
	Yeah, it's quite a common word in the middle.
	It is a very common word.
	There's a lot of common words that we could delete from our language.
	But should is a shit word.
	It just makes us judge each other, put ourselves against, like, compare ourselves to each other, and then it makes us give ourselves standards that we're not really doing.
	We're saying that, oh, we should do this, we should do this, we should do this.
	It's saying, like, you're putting yourself at failure.
	So you can't do that.
	I have a question.
	I have a question on the should thing.
	If you have a child, should you feed the child?
	I mean, it is best looked upon to feed the child.
	Wait, do you need to?
	Who's to say the one should or shouldn't do?
	Hold on.
	A child needs to eat.
	Do you object to the following sentence?
	People should feed their children.
	Parents need to feed their children.
	Okay.
	But did you object to what he said and the way that he phrased it?
	Do you also object to the word need?
	Because finishing my thing about it, so with should any time that you use should, you can mostly replace it with would or could.
	And would is the actual that you're willing to do it or that you possibly could do it.
	What's your beef with should though?
	What's the beating with should?
	What is now you're just using synonyms.
	Do you like art?
	Aught is a good word.
	I don't know what that means.
	You don't know art?
	Someone ought to do something.
	Ought refers to it being a natural.
	So Google it, let me just Google the definition of art.
	Use that in sort of more religious talk.
	Art.
	So this came to me though with when I so what when I had a boyfriend, right, that he was not getting his license.
	He had his license removed and then he could get it back and I was just like, he should get his license.
	He should get his license.
	And then someone asked me, who's to say what one should or shouldn't do?
	It's the whole butterfly effect.
	You don't know what's going to happen.
	If I pushed him and said, you should get your license, you should get your license, he gets his license, I'm going to say in a car accident.
	Who's to say that he was supposed to get his license at that time?
	Okay, it's all in people's own times.
	I feel like you read this on a tarot card somewhere and now you don't really know why you said it.
	I don't.
	This is, I actually have a whole curriculum for childcare based off of this.
	Really?
	You teach kids that they shouldn't say should?
	Do you teach kids that they shouldn't say the word should?
	I encourage education around the word.
	I feel like when you say that people shouldn't say the word should, you're saying that there are no sort of objective standards so people should do whatever they want to do all the time.
	You can do whatever you want to do.
	But is that your beef with should?
	Because you're telling people that we shouldn't say that people should do anything?
	I'm not saying you shouldn't.
	So you know what I'm saying though.
	So ultimately why you don't like the word should is because you don't believe that there should be objective standards.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I am not sure because.
	Because if I say that someone should feed their children, I think I could also say that someone ought to feed their children because it's like an that makes sense to make it an ought claim.
	But if I say somebody should feed their children, I'm saying that there's a subject.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm just saying, I'm saying that there's an objective standard that we all have to abide by, that people should feed their children.
	Should is a judgment that's automatically making it that they will feed their children, they can feed their children.
	It doesn't matter.
	My judgment has no objection.
	Do you object to judgments?
	I limit judgment.
	I think it's a powerful word, I would say.
	Should.
	Well, I mean, yeah.
	I just feel like that you're saying that because you don't believe that there is anything objective.
	Because then how can you eliminate the word should if you think that there are?
	Because most times that you use the word should, from now forward, in your future from here, try it.
	When you're about to say should, try to replace it with would or could.
	No, because I actually have.
	And that will give you more integrity to your life.
	It won't make you be like, oh, I'm going to half-ass this, or I'm going to, oh, I should do that.
	I think this is like fruitless.
	No, but I think that.
	It should definitely go left field from what you're doing.
	It just depends on your worldview.
	That's why I find it interesting, though, because in my worldview, I have things that I think.
	I'd love to talk to you about this more on some other time.
	I use should a lot as a positive, encouraging thing, like, oh, you should do this to like inspire somebody.
	But then that makes them feel like they have, they're like, oh, I have to do this and put so much pressure and comparison on each other.
	It's not a good idea.
	Iron sharpens iron.
	Pressure is a great thing.
	Well, I do want to come back to the kind of thing that we were talking about.
	Can I put my, okay, can I get back to this?
	No, I was trying to talk about the other thing.
	That was a fair statement.
	Going actually back to the whole what should women put into the relationship when men, what when men put into the relationship, all these things that they're doing that we said that we wanted really let's clear the elephant in the room that if men put in, women put out.
	That's pretty much it is.
	And yes, I totally understand what you're saying.
	And that if you, if you see the woman and she's like, oh, you slept with all them.
	I lost a chain of thought.
	I am that old.
	So you're saying that you said that if men put in, women put out.
	So if men put the effort in, then women put out.
	No, and that's why another part of the world.
	Doc donated $200.
	I'm amazed at the mental gymnastics these women perform to justify female promiscuity.
	Your fathers have failed you.
	I wonder what does basically India think about American loose women.
	Do you agree?
	I wonder what does basically India think about American loose women.
	What do you think about American loose women?
	Say it again, please.
	So he said that what he said, not what I'm saying, is that these women at the table do mental gymnastics to justify female promiscuity.
	What do you think about American loose women, is what he said.
	Do you think that American women are loose?
	Loose like what the body?
	No, as in like they don't have much standards.
	I don't think so.
	It's nothing like that about standards or something.
	It's just what they are.
	Are Indian women like more reserved?
	Would you say?
	I'm talking about sex.
	I'm not sure.
	No, I kind of feel like they're more orgy-ish, but I'm not sure what to do with this.
	They get pretty orgy.
	I don't know.
	That came out of the left for yourself.
	i just find india like very like open and like you could like kama sutra Indians get freaky.
	Indians get pretty freaky.
	With their family friends.
	Yeah.
	You've seen like the gods of eight arms and stuff, gods of love and sexuality and stuff.
	No, like I never have them.
	Hold on.
	Grid one motorsport.
	By the way, Doc, thank you, man.
	The scary thing is community college any interacts with children in a teaching role.
	I weep for our youth.
	It is simple.
	Men are hunters if you want them to want you be prey.
	Also, do not do drugs.
	Word?
	I agree.
	Don't do drugs.
	PSA.
	This is a dare program.
	Do not do drugs.
	Hey, Grid 1, man.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Okay.
	I do want to continue on this a little bit.
	So I was going to go around the table.
	We'll wait until she's back before I go around the table on a question I had.
	I do think that I think there are some men that think if a woman makes him wait for sex, it's a green flag.
	But actually, I think in 2023, I think it's just she's just not that into you or banging somebody else, to be honest.
	If she makes you wait, I mean, that's my thought process.
	I have a couple of other analogies here I'd like to go over.
	Here's some other analogies.
	Perhaps we can hammer the point home.
	Let's see here.
	I think, did I do the McDonald's one?
	I might have, wait, hold on.
	Okay, here we go.
	Here's one.
	Okay.
	Let's do I do this one?
	Hold on.
	We'll do that in just a sec.
	Imagine every woman, the man she's going for, has dated in the past, got tons of effort.
	Trips to Hawaii, Paris, Tokyo, personally selected gifts based on her likes, excellent communication on everything she needs to know about.
	And now that she gets with him, new guy, right?
	He decides to be very tight with his money and effort.
	No trips further than to Target in their local city.
	Gifts are like maybe a $50 gift card to Sephora.
	And yeah.
	Then when she asks what's up with him doing so much less for her, he says, it's because I knew they were just momentary fun, but I think you might be the perfect partner, so you have to earn all the effort I normally just give out freely to the other women I've dated.
	I wouldn't be with him.
	I think I would want to have fun with him if he had the means to, not necessarily feel like I'm earning it from someone who should unconditionally love me.
	So you're saying that you wouldn't be with that guy?
	Probably not.
	What's keeping me there?
	Maybe he's amazing inside and out, but I'd want to be on the same page with his thought process with saving money.
	I think I would just tell myself he was just trying to save money, not that I would have to necessarily earn it.
	So you wouldn't be with him because he's trying to save money?
	No, I would.
	Oh, you're not going to be able to do that.
	And that way I would.
	Yeah, I'd support that.
	So you would be okay, just to make it clear, you'd be okay with the fact that this guy has made all of this effort for girls who are just nothing to him.
	But when it comes to you, you're fine with just no effort.
	I don't know a single female that I've ever met that would actually be like.
	Like, are we dating and he was being like that?
	Yeah.
	I'd probably just break up with him and I'm not going to feel like I don't know I have enough pressures on myself like to be good.
	I don't need somebody to be like, oh, I'm not going to buy you this.
	Both sides of the $200.
	You're a woman with the rag on her head.
	You are the biggest PSA for why genital herpes is so dangerous.
	Every show.
	And your lady parts must be rancid at this point.
	Jesus Christ.
	Holy fuck, Jay Butler.
	Bring it in.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Jesus Christ, Jay Butler.
	Normally he's more tame.
	I don't know what got into him tonight.
	He's a gynecologist, no, he's a urologist, thank you, yeah.
	So he always talks about herpes and various ailments that impact, you know, these sorts of things.
	Okay.
	I have some more analogies here when it comes to, well, you used to have a bunch of casual sex, but now you found a guy you like.
	You want to have a relationship with him.
	So now you're going to make him wait.
	This would be the same as if a guy were to say, or this was how a guy was moving.
	He used to take his dates to three-star Michelin restaurants, but he doesn't do that anymore.
	So you can take the bus and meet him at McDonald's.
	That is a boss.
	Or you go to McDonald's.
	You go to McDonald's, right?
	Okay.
	The cashier in front of you is like, shit, what is it?
	The cashier, there's three people in front of you.
	They all get a cheeseburger for $2, $3, whatever.
	You finally get to the cashier and they say, that'll be $1,000 for you because I like you the most.
	Those other customers were just a mistake.
	Or I was just having fun.
	No?
	Okay.
	That's a question.
	This is ridiculous.
	That doesn't make sense.
	Is that a good question?
	Do I get a thousand dollar burger?
	I get a $1,000 burger when everybody else got the regular price.
	Wait, why would he do that?
	That's a good question.
	That's a good question.
	Yeah, so you're at McDonald's, right?
	You're in line for a burger.
	The three people in front of you, they get a burger for two pounds.
	They just chunk it.
	You get to the front of the line.
	The cashier's like, that'll be $1,000 for you.
	Nothing's changed, by the way.
	And you get extra pickles.
	Now you're getting fucked by the industry.
	So lucky you.
	And you just see those people just hoeing down on their burger like a pig at the trough, and you're just there, not knowing what to do.
	Okay, here.
	Are you black?
	No.
	You get the gift of the chance to walk away.
	How did Brace get brought into this conversation?
	No, just a comment.
	No, it's more about privilege than race.
	I think with all the analogies that you're making, it's pretty clear that you should feel upset.
	But I think when we're talking about sex, I think it's more personal.
	Like, I think at the end of the day, it's just how you feel.
	If you want to have sex with someone, you're going to have sex with them.
	If you don't, you don't.
	Like, food, sex, two very different things.
	The analogies you're making, clearly you are 100% in the right on that.
	But when it comes to sex, you have sex when you want to have sex.
	Whether it's the first date, whether it's the third date, whether it's the eighth date.
	Do you think that's a good way to float through life?
	Is that you have sex whenever you want to have sex?
	No.
	I think for right now, for the age personally that I'm at, I think that's great.
	But I think when I want to settle down and have a relationship.
	But even for the age that you're at now, don't you think that comes at a price?
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	Imagine being such a red flag.
	A guy pretends he has a penny left on his debit card to get out of his date with you.
	Or is two hours late and brings a friend, just make sure you never call him again.
	Keith.
	Maybe he wasn't feeling you.
	Yeah?
	Maybe.
	Who knows?
	I guess the waitress was in on it.
	Huh.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Grid 1.
	Appreciate it.
	But again, when it comes to this, like, me personally, if a girl had sex with 100 men on the first date and then she wanted to wait until marriage for the number 101, that's her call.
	That's her choice.
	However, for me personally, and what I would actually recommend to other men, that is a completely unacceptable standard for you to...
	Let me reframe that.
	That's not a woman that you'd want to pursue.
	That makes sense.
	That scenario makes sense, but that's not going to be the scenario in most cases.
	I think if we get down to the nucleus of the point, though, what we're saying is that we have these sorts of standards.
	And you guys are basically saying, okay, you can have your standards.
	We don't care.
	Does it make you rethink it, though, if you actually did like a guy and if there was sort of that tension?
	Would that make you rethink the mindset that you're in now, which is I'm young, I'm just going to have sex with whoever I want to?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	It makes you rethink it as in, like, maybe I should be a little bit more sort of frugal in my younger years.
	I think if I meet the right guy, I'm going to settle down with him.
	I like him.
	Like, I don't want to be having sex with anyone else.
	I want to be having sex with you.
	But that's not the question, though.
	The question was more like in your, because you're college students now.
	And these days with the college students, I mean, it's just free love everywhere.
	And I'm somebody who's not a choir boy by any means.
	Like, you know, I've done all the promiscuous stuff.
	And I would say that there is, even for me as a guy, there's an element of regret when you look back at your younger years and the more promiscuous days.
	Do you guys ever have that sort of thought process at the moment?
	When you are that younger age, that you're like at the peak of your sexual value at the moment?
	I've done that from an older age, for sure.
	I mean, like, I got into my first relation, or my serious relationship when I was 18, and I lost my virginity at 19.
	So I, you know, waited to have sex.
	I would say maybe over the average age.
	I don't know what the average age people lose their virginities to.
	And that's something that I wanted to do for myself, you know, and that's, I don't regret that, you know.
	But I don't also would never shame anyone else or judge anyone else if they lost their virginity younger or if they engaged in sexual acts younger as well.
	It depends on the person.
	It depends what you value and what makes you feel good.
	Would you recommend it, what you did, waiting until you're 18?
	For me, it worked really, I mean, for me, I don't know, I can't tell anyone else what to do.
	I'm not saying that you're telling people, like other people, what to do, but I'm saying that as a society, like we have some sort of standards.
	And, you know, as a person, I've just told you that in my past, I've had quite a promiscuous past at times.
	I've done all the traveling.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	And even as a guy, sometimes it comes back to me and it bites me because you meet a really moral principled woman and then she probably maybe she wouldn't be so interested in me.
	So if I could take back time, I'd probably be a little bit more frugal with it if I was your age.
	Not even giving you advice.
	I'm just saying that's the way I'd do it.
	Can I ask a question?
	Yep.
	So correct me if I'm wrong.
	Men want a woman that, like, on the first date, if they do put out on the first date, in your mind, wouldn't you block them off to being eligible?
	Like you were saying earlier?
	Because I think that that might be wrong, but I think a lot of women have that in our brains, is that they're not going to see us.
	So even if we were promiscuous before, if this is the person we do want to be with, then we're going to be like, oh, they're going to want me to be this way.
	So then we change to be that way.
	And then it gets so confusing.
	There's so much misunderstanding and miscommunication between men and women.
	I do see that.
	I do see that.
	So what you're basically saying is that you're kind of in, but in a rock, in a hard place like yeah, I want to fuck you on the first date, but I'm pretty sure you would respect me more if I waited.
	So I'm gonna wait.
	And then they're like, well, why didn't you do it?
	If you did it for them?
	I was like, oh well, I would have.
	And then they're like oh, so you would have been a whore, I don't want to be with a whore.
	And then it's like, wait wait, wait.
	I get.
	I do get what you're saying.
	Yeah, but at the end of the day it comes back to the old adage, you can't have your cake and eat it.
	We put ourselves in certain situations.
	You can have your past and your future too.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm not really sure what that means I actually have.
	I do have a response to that.
	I mean, I here's what I think right.
	If, if that guy, if you would otherwise, how do I want to frame this?
	Let's say you end up waiting for with a guy, right?
	You end up, you you force a wait for four days right, four dates.
	It's not clear to me, had you hooked up with him immediately, that you would have not ended up in a relationship anyways.
	So I think, whether you hook up with him on the first date or the third date, quite honestly I don't think it's going to have really a major impact on whether he because, if he, if he's interested in having sex with you, perhaps he wants there to be continuity and it could lead into a relationship or it doesn't.
	So that's good information to have.
	And I just had to remember something from before.
	Is that when we were going around about how long you should wait, that I never got to it?
	Was that honestly for me in situations that there is that period of waiting to make sure that it's not just about sex, it's not just about my body, that they actually do like you?
	But to be truthful and honest and radically transparent for me anyway, I do believe that you or not believe, but the whole like waiting to marriage thing.
	I think I don't understand that at all, because I do think that you what if you don't like having sex with that person?
	You just spent this whole time getting to know them and in a relationship and you might have love in that way.
	But if you're trying to have an intimate relationship and then you all of a sudden love each other and try to have sex, and then it's like oh, I don't like having sex with you, or like we don't connect that way.
	You know, that is something that my whole life I mean I mean in terms of like the uh, like the pantheism and the astrology, I mean again, I mean I feel I'm, let's see, maybe 23 it started.
	Have you ever and I'm not even taking the piss, but have you ever tried to go to church?
	Yeah, have you ever tried to lean, try to lean, into a, to a like Christianity, or?
	Yeah, I actually did not wear my rosary today because I didn't know if I wanted to have any religious context on here, but I have a place with God for sure.
	Yeah, and it's like the Christian God you said you wore a rosary.
	Yeah, I mean, I was.
	I was baptized, I was brought up Christian.
	I think there's a hard thing.
	Is there something and experience?
	I feel like you're like yearning and longing for some sort of spirituality and look, I think people tend to put that into these sort of more ideas of astrology and pantheism, as I said.
	But do you feel like maybe that yearning could be better placed in a church, in a community?
	Do you know what I do in my regular life?
	Well, I mean, if you believe in astrology, you don't believe in the Christian God, and you probably don't believe in Jesus.
	That's not true.
	I can be an astrologer and believe in God.
	Here, I do want to try to bring it back because we have a lot to get through.
	So we were going around the table on two things.
	I'll wrap up on the whole waiting for sex thing.
	We were going around the table, one, on how long do you think you should wait for sex?
	I don't think everybody got an opportunity to answer that.
	I don't know if we left off with you or I think we went around on that.
	Did we go right?
	Did everyone get an opportunity to answer how long do you think you should wait for sex?
	I don't think so.
	I wanted to wait till marriage, but that didn't happen.
	So I don't know.
	I just waited till we were official.
	Okay.
	If I was dating.
	Is that your current boyfriend or like past boyfriend?
	All of them.
	All of them?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long do you guys?
	I think we left off with you.
	Maybe.
	How long do you think you should wait for sex before having sex?
	Are you down first night?
	Second night?
	Second date?
	Third date?
	Probably being official if it's a relationship, being official.
	Unless you're traveling and you don't want a relationship.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about for you?
	I don't really have like a time thing on it.
	Okay.
	I don't.
	I don't know how to answer that question.
	How about the last guy that you were intimate with?
	How long did you wait with him?
	Let's see.
	A few weeks.
	Probably two weeks.
	Two weeks?
	Two weeks.
	Okay.
	I feel like for me, it would depend on if the chemistry was there and the vibe of the night.
	Like if I want to have sex that night and we're talking and we want to have sex, then let's have sex.
	But if it's not there, I want to keep going on more dates before it just depends on when I feel comfortable with it.
	Can I just say something?
	I think that the.
	Sorry, just before we continue.
	I think that the duality of what you guys are talking about is the problem in terms of what we're seeing.
	Whereas you were kind of talking before about like turning over a new leaf.
	If you turned over a new leaf and you thought like that, you know, this is the sort of person I am now and you hadn't, the past hadn't been too crazy, it wouldn't be too much of a problem.
	But if you have the two thoughts simultaneously where I could have sex on the first night or I could make you wait, that's where the problem is because you're like, why am I in this basket?
	And I'm not saying that I would even want to be in either basket, but I think that that's the problem, having that duality.
	But if you are at a different phase of your life, and if you're plugged into a church or something like that, and if you're actually taking it seriously, then it can be...
	Anyways, continue.
	For your analogy, I don't think I fit in with any of those two baskets.
	That's what I do.
	Like, I don't identify myself as I'm going to wait for this long or I'm going to sleep on the first night.
	I just go when I want to do.
	Yeah, I don't, like, I don't put, like, I don't fit into one basket.
	But the baskets exist.
	The baskets do exist.
	That's the problem.
	Yes, they do exist.
	But for me personally, I just don't identify to either of them.
	Okay.
	How long do you think you should wait before having sex?
	If I'm in, like, pursuing a relationship, like around four dates or so.
	Four dates, okay?
	Me personally, probably like a month or two.
	I want to make sure that I get to know them, that there's an emotional connection, and that I feel safe and comfortable with them.
	Did you ever have a one-night stand?
	No, not personally.
	Okay, what about you?
	How long should you wait?
	I would say I will wait a little bit, like for months, because I can't get connected with a person like emotionally in like one or two days or like in three dates.
	So I would prefer the time.
	So a couple months?
	Unless I don't feel like emotionally connected with that person.
	So you would wait longer?
	If you don't feel like it's a long time?
	Yeah, I will wait if I don't feel like it.
	Have you ever had like a friends with benefits?
	No.
	Fuck buddy?
	No.
	One night stand?
	No.
	Okay, congratulations.
	So the other question is, have you ever made a guy wait, but also, have you also had a one-night stand or had sex relatively quickly?
	I think you answered yes.
	Kayla?
	No.
	Not that I can remember.
	No.
	What's the longest you've made a guy wait?
	Here, okay.
	Let me reframe the question.
	What's the shortest you've made a guy wait?
	What's the longest you've made a guy wait?
	Go ahead.
	Maybe the shortest was probably maybe like a week or so just because I knew like we were already like dating and then he became my boyfriend.
	And then before that, like maybe like a month just because of distance.
	Okay.
	Can I ask a quick question?
	Does the situation differ for your minds if like we're like hooking up, we're kissing, we're doing like things, but we're not actually having sex.
	We're not doing the act of sex.
	I would say it changes it a little bit.
	It changes it because you can maybe feel the burning desire there.
	And maybe it's like that you want to draw out the tension a little bit.
	But if you don't feel sexually attracted, as a guy, it's pretty easy to tell if a girl's not overly sexually attracted to you and if she's making you wait because she thinks you're a good relationship prospect in other ways.
	But if you can tell that she's really attracted, can't keep her hands off you is kissing you, whatever, and then you draw out the tension, that's a little bit different.
	But if you can tell that she's not attracted to you, it's pretty, you can tell.
	Okay.
	So the question is, does it, would it make, like, would I be more accepting of the situation if, like, she's, would I be more accepting of the situation if I knew she slept with 10 other guys immediately, but then she wants a relationship with me, but she's willing to make out with me?
	Is that the question?
	Like, more like she went out and like she met a guy at a party.
	You know, they were like, I guess hooking up isn't the right word, but like doing everything.
	And then she was like, okay, actually, like, I'm not going to have sex with you.
	But they like engaged in some intimacy.
	Wait, with me or this hypothetical guy?
	The hypothetical guy.
	How does that change your view?
	Oh, I misread the question.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I thought you meant if you were on a date with a person and then they'd done that in the past and then, yeah, okay.
	Reframe it one more time.
	Like, let's say a girl, you're getting into a relationship with a girl and she says, hey, by the way, you know, this is my body count or whatever, but like these men in the past, like I would go out, you know, I'd go to parties, like, you know, we'd do some stuff, I'd sleep over, but I, like, when the act of sex came, like, I'd be like, no.
	Okay, so she's saying that this is my body count, and these are all of the guys who nearly got there.
	Yes.
	That's probably a bigger red flag than the stuff before.
	Why?
	Well, because when you're going to parties and you're sort of like doing everything, you just don't know the extent to it.
	Yeah.
	To me, that sort of draws out a periphery that will make me ask a lot of questions.
	Okay.
	So it's like, would you say it's like a bigger, like you would judge a girl more if she's going out partying, like having sex, having like full sex, like one night stands, versus like she's going out, she's with a friend, she meets a guy, whatever, it's like chill, they're about to have a one-night stand, and then she's like, actually, no, like sex is really meaningful for me.
	Like I'm not gonna fully have sex with you.
	Or is it like the same thing?
	I don't know.
	Party girls are party girls, to be honest.
	It's kind of the same thing, to be fair, because you probably sucked his dick and stuff.
	I mean, yeah, because that happens a lot.
	You say, oh, I'm not going to have sex, but I'm genuinely curious.
	Still the next man's willy.
	Continuing around the table, what's the shortest amount of time you've made somebody wait?
	What's the longest amount of time you've made somebody wait?
	I've had a one-night stand before.
	Okay.
	So I'd say within the night was probably the shortest.
	And then the longest was probably a couple weeks.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've also had a one-night stand, and I think that the longest was around six months.
	Okay.
	I haven't had a one-night stand, so I don't have like a lowest, but three months, because I've only been with my husband.
	Oh, okay.
	What about you?
	And the shortest, I would say, one month with my ex.
	And the longest, he will not sound funny to you, but like, yeah, I'm a longest relationship.
	I didn't have sex with that guy.
	It's not like my purpose or something?
	Yeah, that's funny for you.
	Were you waiting until marriage?
	Maybe, but it didn't work out.
	How long were you with him for?
	Two years.
	And you weren't waiting till marriage?
	Like.
	What was the reason?
	You got to give a man a reason.
	Like, it's not, it's from the both sides.
	It's not just me.
	I'm not.
	Was he asexual?
	What?
	He didn't want to have sex?
	He never said it.
	He was gay?
	No, he was not.
	Okay.
	Okay, last question on this, guys.
	Oh, we need to come back to you.
	I didn't sneak out.
	What's the shortest amount of time you've waited and what's the longest amount of time you've waited?
	I don't know the answer to the longest time.
	I don't know the answer to that one.
	And I mean, I've had hookups on the first night, so.
	Okay.
	Maybe range, like three weeks, four weeks.
	No, I've never like planned out like, oh, we're going to wait this amount of time.
	So I've had friends that I'm like really close with, like that were like really close friends, and like we're never like, oh, we like, we want to do like that.
	We want to sleep with each other.
	And then like one thing leads to another.
	And it happens.
	Well, what about, I mean, the friends thing is a bit complicated because there's like a pre-existing acquaintance or relationship there.
	So I'm, I mean, if I can narrow it down for you to make the question easier to answer, what about the people like immediately the context of the relationship was romantic?
	Maybe you met on the dating app?
	Like in relationships, I think the longest I've waited is my most recent one with that two weeks because that's two weeks.
	Okay.
	I've been the most growth rate.
	Here's another question related to this.
	So going around the table, starting with you.
	Have you ever been, had like a friends with benefits or there's like a casual thing?
	Because some people, like, if you're not in an official, committed, it's been overtly communicated relationship, there's room for you to be dating more than one person, potentially sleeping with more than one person.
	Or at least maybe there's one guy you're hooking up with.
	He's just a friends with benefits.
	He's a you know, fuck buddy, whatever it is.
	But you're dating, you're dating other people at the same time.
	You might just be sleeping with that one guy, but you're dating other guys.
	So my question is, have you ever been sleeping with a guy and then also like going out on dates with other people or sleeping with a guy or a girl while also pursuing other potential partners?
	Not necessarily sleeping with them.
	But there's one solid person you're hooking up with, sleeping with, whatever.
	It's clearly not monogamous.
	And dating other people.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He was a foreign exchange student, so that's why we never made it official.
	He was from Norway, and when I...
	She likes the Scandinavia.
	Oh, yeah.
	What?
	Awesome.
	Shout out Norway.
	They've got It could be Greenland, it could be worse.
	Keep going, never mind.
	It's all good.
	Go ahead.
	Any other scenarios like that?
	The other Norwegian.
	Kind of at the same time.
	You were seeing them both at the same time?
	Yeah.
	The two Norwegians.
	Yeah, it was kind of like a triangle.
	Obviously, the other Norwegian was seeing another girl.
	So you were sleeping with Sven, and then Franz was just, he wasn't getting any of it.
	Were there other guys also?
	So that you were currently?
	I mean, I was friends with guys, but not sleeping around too.
	But at the same time, you were sleeping with two Norwegian guys?
	Yeah, I think they were a little bit safe away.
	Like it was one for a while, and then maybe one time it overlapped.
	One overlap.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, but, and were you also dating other guys too?
	Like, going out long dates, but you know, maybe they didn't go all the way?
	No, but I was talking to my ex-boyfriend who we were trying to work it out.
	We were long distance.
	Okay.
	So we were trying to like fix it, mend our relationship.
	Kind of were still together, but at the same time, I was with these Norwegian guys.
	So you were with your ex-boyfriend, or like technically with him, and getting the double Norwegian.
	Hey, that's my whole face for you.
	Okay.
	Oh, whole face.
	We can talk about ho faces.
	Okay, whole face.
	Let's write that down.
	So, okay, you were sleeping with two guys, and then also talking to your ex-boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right, you know, it happens.
	Temptation.
	When in Norway, eh?
	What about you?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I mean, yes, I'm into open relationships, polyamory.
	Okay, okay.
	Oh, question for you.
	Since you're into open relationships, polyamory, at any given time, not currently, because it sounded like you're just seeing one guy right now, allegedly.
	What is the most amount of guys that you've seen at any one given time?
	Three.
	Three.
	So you're sleeping with three guys at the same time?
	Not like all in the one.
	Well, not like an orgy or anything like that, but like three.
	One was Monday, one was Wednesday, one was Friday.
	Okay.
	Can I follow up on that?
	While you've been doing this polyamory, is it?
	That would be non-monogamy at that time.
	Right.
	While you've been doing the non-monogamy, has there been one particular guy who you've had special feelings for?
	Has that happened?
	Someone who you're particularly drawn to?
	So in the realm of open relationships, and not just open relationship so that you can sleep with everybody.
	And my view on love and relationships is that loving one person is very limited, and I have relationships with lots of people.
	So I do consider myself, like I said, this person that's across seas, I definitely consider them my lover.
	They have a fairly special place in my heart.
	But I also have other relationships.
	I know that, but I'm saying, is there one that you have, who comes to mind when I think about someone who you have special feelings for?
	Yes.
	He does?
	Yeah.
	That guy guy I ever seen?
	Yes!
	That was smart!
	In the past, they like.
	I mean, I have special feelings for all of them, and it's all different.
	But if you had to say, is there one who's particularly special?
	At this moment, yes.
	Why is he not enough?
	I didn't say he wasn't.
	That's not like enough.
	But if you need others.
	Because you can't expect one person to be everything for you, that's not fair.
	Don't you think that a part of the idea of having a relationship and one day having a family is making the sacrifice that one person is enough and you sort of battle through any differences that you have or any sort of shortcomings?
	I do not have the old traditional relationship beliefs.
	You said you wanted to have children before.
	I would like to continue my genetics.
	I would like to have an offspring to care for.
	And I'm like, I work in childcare, so I'd love to have something to care of my own.
	So would it be like you freeze the baby, that type thing?
	Or what are we talking?
	Well, if you really, really want to know something weird, I've always fantasized that I want to, which obviously I can't because, you know, but like Mary got impregnated, like you're talking about going to church, like I would for a long time I would just like wanted to not have sex for a long time and then just somehow become pregnant.
	So it's like an immaculate conception.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Interesting.
	that's that's your your your dream i think that would be really i want to have a baby that do you think Do you think a guy like God would really be sort of into a girl who's not a virgin?
	Yeah.
	Because Mary.
	Right.
	Mary was a principled woman.
	Yeah.
	Nothing.
	That's what I said.
	Might probably won't happen, but something like that.
	Yeah, I guess the point I was saying, it was like, if you do want to have children, though, don't you worry.
	And God doesn't pick the shiny penny, by the way.
	Yeah.
	That was beautiful.
	Don't you worry, though, that if you're going to have children in like them seeing that sort of lifestyle or is it something that you'd want to like tamper down once you once you do have children?
	Because if you've got a baby, that's why I'm not having kids right now.
	I'm not right if we get out of right now for a second and we think about the future and the implications of what we're doing right now in the future.
	When you think about having children and when you think about the idea of carrying someone's child and then you guys having that child together, being in the labor room, you're right or die with each other.
	Do you think you'd want to bring someone else into the relationship after that?
	I don't know.
	I'm not there.
	I don't know.
	Isn't that something you think about, though?
	Isn't that something that you sort of maybe try and?
	I'd think about so many things that my brain goes.
	Here, let's continue with the question at hand.
	So I believe we left off, was it, what's the longest, I think we did longest, shortest.
	Have you ever dated?
	Have you ever been hooking up with a guy, casual with a guy while also dating other guys?
	I have not.
	No.
	I have not either.
	Okay.
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you guys?
	What's your whole phase?
	Yeah, I went through a hoe phase myself.
	It was probably like...
	You gave me honesty.
	Yeah, teenage years and then into your early 20s.
	I guess, like I said before, we live in a world, and especially in the Western world, where we have absolutely no limitations to it.
	When you're a young guy, you're thinking about sleeping with as many girls as you possibly can.
	And when you're a young lady, you're thinking, I'm empowered.
	I'm having sex with all of these guys, and everyone around me is telling me that it's great.
	So, anyways, Brian, wants to move on.
	Yeah, no, it's all good.
	It's all good.
	Deep sighs.
	So, really quick on the whole phase, anybody here had a whole phase?
	Just show of hands.
	Jake had one, she had one.
	When you were a hoe for a while.
	When you sleep with a lot of people over a space of time.
	Okay, like I left for so long.
	Well, I don't think a whole phase necessarily means that you're sleeping around with a ton of people.
	What do you think a ho phase means?
	I think just being a little bit less careless than you would be in a relationship.
	Not like my whole phase, I wasn't sleeping with these people.
	It was just, I think my whole phase, I was really young.
	And like you learned from those experiences, I was seeing a lot of like older guys and like going on dates and just doing really irresponsible things.
	It was kind of my rebellious phase mixed.
	Kind of things that you wouldn't really want to sort of necessarily share the details about with your future partner.
	Well, my current partner knows absolutely everything.
	Details.
	They are things that I'm happy that I got through because I think the majority of people need to learn those things in their life.
	there are levels to ho phase but i would say that generally when we speak about a ho phase we we speak about a few years like a space of time where you're sleeping with different guys and it's the kind of thing where you're like sleeping with guys that kind of no one knows about you're on dating apps and you're just i guess i haven't had a whole phase then not in that term Kayla, you said you had a ho phase.
	Can you tell us about the ho phase?
	What does a ho phase look like?
	I feel like it was a little bit dishonest and that kind of made it a ho phase for me.
	Just kind of exploring my taste.
	In Scandinavian men.
	Yes.
	But okay, so I mean, was it when you say ho phase, was it just those two dudes?
	Was it?
	There was one that I preferred.
	No, but there's more to the ho phase than just.
	Yeah, I mean, I was the new girl and I was in a junior in high school and I mean a lot of guys hit on me.
	Did they know each other?
	Yeah, they did.
	We went to rival schools though.
	So one was with me at my school and the other one was at the rivals school.
	Did they know that what was happening?
	Did they know that there was that competition?
	They found out because the one at my school was like, I was in love with him and then I met the other one through him.
	And the other one, I don't remember what happened, but something like led us to kind of like stop for a while.
	I think we got into an argument.
	And so that's when I was hanging out with the other one more.
	But we would all hang out.
	Wait.
	The multiple people you were sleeping with, you would hang out in a group?
	Oh, yeah.
	And so you had a fight with them.
	They were the tunal regions in our entire city.
	And the same age and same district and stuff.
	So we hung out in groups, not just us.
	What was the age of your ho phase?
	So you're 24, is it?
	I'm 24.
	24, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	This was junior/slash/senior year.
	Wait, remind me, you had a four-year relationship, correct?
	Yes.
	When was that?
	That was the begin or the end of middle school.
	So eighth grade.
	It's like basically through high, yeah, high school relationship.
	And I met these guys.
	So your ho phase was from when to when?
	Seven.
	In between that relationship with my long-distance boyfriend.
	So I moved from Texas to Missouri and I had dated the other guy for two years.
	And then when I went to this new school, I was meeting all these new people.
	But the other guy was doing the same.
	Like I found out he was like sleeping with some of my friends and going off.
	And so I just kind of retaliated in private with two Norwegians who I cannot regret.
	At the same time?
	Was it a threesome?
	No.
	No threesomes.
	Okay.
	So when the whole phase was from when to when?
	17 to 19?
	What are we talking here?
	Yeah, so I guess in college, once I got to college, I had a boyfriend again for four years.
	And that's when the whole phase went away.
	So from 17 to 19?
	18, 19?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What was the extent of the whole phase?
	Like how many, how big was the roster?
	Jeez.
	Did I ask, what's the most amount of people that you were sleeping with at one time?
	So I dated dated for like a few months during when I met those two Norwegians.
	Sure.
	Or actually before it was the quarterback.
	So I mean it was another one.
	So that's maybe four.
	I'm going to guess four or five.
	At the same time?
	Not at the same time.
	Like I definitely like stayed put with like a few for a while.
	So maybe like wait, so the ho-phase was five guys?
	Speaking to the mic.
	You can pull yourself up.
	Yeah, I'm just guessing and that's like the max for sure.
	So I had my ex in Texas and then the two Norwegians and then I dated a guy for like a couple weeks.
	So I would be four in the age of 17.
	Okay.
	And then so at the same time though, you said three?
	Three times I slept with somebody in high school.
	No, I mean like at the same time.
	Oh at the same time?
	You're like talking like threesomes?
	No, no, no.
	I mean like Roberto on Monday.
	Eduardo on Wednesday.
	I don't know why they have Latin names.
	On Friday there was there was Bartholomew.
	Okay.
	And then they would circulate, you know.
	Bart was definitely your Friday guy.
	No, it really wasn't like those other guys, they get the weekdays, but Bart, he got the Friday.
	He got weekends.
	Yeah, no, it wasn't intertwined like that.
	Not really.
	No.
	But you said the two Norwegians were at the same time.
	Yeah, I'm a little bit, sort of.
	So like I stuck with the Norwegian at my school, and then it was the other guy like once or twice.
	Sure.
	We're going to pull something up.
	I'm going to do a couple chats here.
	We have Davey.
	Oh.
	Davey, Chill donated $100.
	I wish one time a girl or an entire table will just admit that their entire life and dynamic is far superior to ours and admit it.
	Can't even compromise on who's deserving of dignity.
	Looks go first.
	Yo, Davey, be chill, bro.
	What the fuck?
	Yo, appreciate it, man.
	Their entire life and dynamic is far superior to ours.
	Davey, what do you mean by this?
	How are women's entire lives and dynamics far superior to ours?
	Because we need a little bit of clarification there.
	Do you mean like just it's women have dating on easy mode?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	If you can clarify, by the way, just a point of I have lowered, and I think I've changed this everywhere.
	I've lowered the read and TTS triggers.
	Read is now 50 and up.
	TTS is now 99, like 100, 100 and up.
	So if you guys want to get any TTSs or whatnot in, feel free.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Ryan Holt here.
	Hey, everyone.
	I'm a new member, but longtime fan.
	Very happy to join.
	Can't wait to get involved.
	Hey, Ryan, thank you so much for your patronage, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And if you want, if you sent this in a while ago, if you do it through Stream Labs, we have a TTS feature.
	So welcome.
	Appreciate it, man.
	And then I think that's it on the chats.
	We do have the thing we need to react to, Nick.
	It's related to our waiting thing.
	So a woman posted on Reddit this, and it got quite a bit of attention.
	Yo, AB check.
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	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your support and patronage.
	I hope you guys enjoy those memberships.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	So this is on Reddit.
	Kayla, I want you to read this for us because you have a good speaking diction.
	Read the title and then just read what it says.
	Go ahead.
	I'm unsure if I should tell my boyfriend this information.
	I've recently gone official with a man I've been dating for a couple of months.
	He's kind, respectful, and considerate.
	He really, I really think he could be the one.
	Popcorn.
	But something is eating at me.
	Should I keep reading?
	Sure.
	I wanted to build slowly with this man so we didn't become intimate until after going exclusive.
	But between the first date and that point, I did see an old friends with benefits a couple of times.
	Back then, I didn't think anything of it as I wasn't exclusive.
	But I underestimated how much I would care for my boyfriend.
	And I feel almost like I've cheated on him.
	Have I done something wrong?
	Do I need to tell him?
	Will he end things with me?
	And then update.
	Kayla, go ahead.
	There was mixed reactions here, but my gut told me I should tell my boyfriend.
	He said, sorry, I don't want to be in a relationship with someone who does that.
	Then he blocked me on everything.
	Okay, so she was, can you pull it up back for just a second here?
	So she went official with a guy she'd been dating for a couple months, kind, respectful, considerate.
	She thinks he could be the one.
	But while she was building slowly with this man and she didn't want to be intimate until after going exclusive, during that entire period, she was also having sex with a friends with benefits.
	Now, mind you, technically, they were not official.
	However, during that initial period, while she was making him wait, she was having sex with another guy.
	He ultimately ended up breaking up with her, as you guys read.
	What are your thoughts on that?
	Do you think fair, fair game for the guy to have taken issue with that?
	And even though she was technically, you know, they technically weren't official.
	If I was the guy, I'd be hurt.
	I'd 100% be hurt.
	Like, that's so valid.
	I think in the dating stages, like, especially if you're just starting to get to know a person, you guys don't know if you're going to pursue a long-term relationship yet.
	You're getting to know a person.
	Like, who's to say that you can't go and also date other people?
	Isn't that healthy?
	Isn't that about figuring out what you want and what type of person you want?
	Doesn't mean it's valid for him to feel upset.
	Well, I mean, so my personal standard on this is if I go on the first date with a girl and I'm interested in pursuing her, all the other guys have to be a rap.
	You're not going, if you want to go on a second date with me, you're not going on dates with other dudes.
	You're certainly not sleeping with other dudes.
	And quite frankly, if I'm going on the first date with you, and I mean, I'd hope a woman would be forthcoming with this.
	If I know that you're fucking another dude and you're going on a date with me, I'm not interested in you.
	Goodbye.
	So my standard is, if you want to go on a second date with me, the other dude, preferably there's no other dudes to begin with, but the other dudes have to be a rap.
	And did you communicate that boundary?
	I was going to say that.
	I will communicate.
	There will definitely be a second date conversation.
	If there were to be a second date or even like after the first date, be like, I love you so much.
	I want to be exclusive with you.
	And just make sure you're both on the same page.
	Because what if someone's polyamorous or what if someone's just wanting to have the experience of dates?
	And you need to know.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I don't necessarily think that labels or like a conversation of exclusivity should change the way that you act.
	So like personally, if I like someone and we're going on dates or we're talking, if I like them, I'm not going to be with other people.
	And I expect the same from them regardless of a conversation if we're exclusive or if we're boyfriend and girlfriend.
	I don't think that label changes anything if you wanted to sleep with someone else up until that exact moment that you decide that you're not okay with it.
	I don't think that that is a reflection of how ready you are to be in that relationship.
	Okay.
	But do you guys think it sounded like, yes, you said he was justified for breaking up with her?
	Anybody else?
	I think it's so fair.
	Fair.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Sure.
	Oh, do you have more?
	Yeah, I think it's fair because they can you hear me now?
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	So it's a fair because I believe they are dating, kind of.
	They didn't make it official, but they are dating.
	Like, we should close the doors.
	And also, she did the right thing by telling the truth.
	That's the honesty, the first step.
	And if you didn't like it, obviously no one's gonna like it.
	And also, eventually, just imagine if you're gonna know later after like dating for a year or after getting married, they know like something happened.
	I think it's better.
	But here's the crux of it, right?
	So she was making him wait to have sex all the while.
	She had a different standard and she was having sex with the friends with benefits who I assume there.
	Of course, there was no commitment there.
	I said it's a fair game.
	He denied to be with her.
	No, but I'm not countering your point, but this gets back to kind of our initial debate here over this whole, well, you have one standard for these guys while you're traveling, for example, where I'll have sex with him immediately.
	And then, oh, the guy that you want for a relationship, I'm going to wait to have sex with him.
	But also, I'm not having sex with other people.
	But it's like you just feel like you're the beta male in that situation.
	I think it's either Rich Cooper or Rollo Tomasi has a saying that's alpha, seed, beta, need, which means the alpha gives the seed and the beta gives the need.
	So if you're the guy who she's struggling with.
	By the way, I'm not a huge fan of like the alpha-beta terminology.
	But no, I know what you're saying.
	Yeah, to articulate the problem.
	I don't really use it too often myself, but it's like you get what I mean by it.
	So if like it kind of makes you that sort of like beta male in this situation where you're getting strung along and you're getting led along and you're not getting that sort of burning sexual desire when there's some other guy who after you guys go on a date is rearranging her guts and and you're just there just waiting along and then like for a guy to think that I'm taking all these nice dates and making all this effort and some guy is there just absolutely pounding it.
	I feel like my thoughts on the situation is I never want to be made like a fool.
	You know, and I feel like if I was put in that situation, I would feel like a fool.
	Like I don't want like if I'm taking you out in this nice date, if I was the guy, let's say, taking you on the side, investing my time in you, investing my energy, I'm only committing to you, and you're going around sleeping with somebody else, like even and you're not sleeping with me, even though I'm putting in the effort.
	Now you're just making me look like an idiot because what is this person doing that I'm not doing?
	Like what's wrong with me now?
	Am I not good enough?
	Like why do I not, why am I not getting sex?
	I would be mad.
	I feel like this person is completely valid because they're not exclusive.
	But then I start to like look inward and then be like, whoa, like am I wrong?
	Like what's wrong with me now?
	Like do I not deserve this?
	And then that's when I start getting in my own head about that.
	Yeah, when it comes back to the whole, you know, waiting, making some guys wait for sex, having sex quickly with other men, it's ultimately it's just kind of a fraud.
	I mean the whole point of a woman having a waiting period before she has sex is supposed to be due to her not being someone that gives away sex so easily.
	So having a man wait implies I'm not easy to get into bed.
	Yes.
	So it's like you wanting to build something slowly is kind of pointless if you're willing to give it out sex to another man who did not give her commitment.
	It's hypocritical.
	This whole situation ruined that idea for that guy forever, probably.
	Like the next time someone wants to wait and make it special to him, he's going to be like, no, that's a red flag.
	He probably saw the signs.
	Because you have to see the signs in those situations.
	Do you think you could have told off the bat that this girl was probably sleeping around with somebody if she told you she wasn't going to be a sleeping?
	Not even sleeping around, but like you can kind of tell if they're sort of in the streets, you know.
	You can kind of tell if they're dating and if they're sort of putting out little fist traps.
	You can tell by like the way that they react to your date.
	Like I said before, if they're sleeping on you, if they're really wanting your attention, you can tell what they're doing on their Saturday night.
	If they're really busy all the time, then it probably is a bit of a red flag.
	But if they're reading a book and having a bath and doing some origami on a Saturday night while all the girls are out, then that says something.
	So there's lots of little different telltale signs.
	And I reckon he probably would have ignored a few signs.
	And the reason I brought that up, while it's a little different than the situation with you, and I think some of you kind of sided with her on this, of like she was sleeping with a guy while they were dating.
	It's sort of, it's very similar to this whole, you know, you said when you were in Europe, you know, you were having your fun, whatever, but if you were to pursue a guy for a long-term relationship, you would make him wait.
	The guy you view as long-term potential, you'd make him wait, but you don't actually have any qualms with sleeping with someone quickly.
	So it's sort of viewed in the same way.
	Like, oh, those other guys who you didn't really care about, it was just fun.
	I'll have sex with them immediately.
	But the guy who you do view for as long-term potential, okay, we're going to wait a month.
	Well, can I say that maybe those experiences also changed my view of like casual hookups as well?
	Like it was fun and stuff, but it's also something that like I realize that sex to me is meaningful.
	And for me, it's like it is meaningful and I just do want to wait.
	That's something that is special to me.
	So I don't know.
	Even though I've had that past, I guess.
	Not really, but that past.
	It's, yeah.
	Well, but is that like going?
	Hold on, no.
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	Why can't women be properly single?
	How hard is it to not be a craptastic 304?
	The men to you want that will love, care, and cherish you will not tolerate such behavior.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Be better.
	Learn how to type.
	Oh, roasted.
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	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So my response is, I mean, if that's going to be like your genuine new standard from now on, then, I mean, I suppose that's commendable.
	But is that really going to be like from here on out?
	I'm just, okay, all the guys that I'm going to be with, I'm going to wait to have sex with them.
	I mean, is that really going to be the standard?
	Or is it like when a super hot guy comes around and all he wants is casual and I want casual, like, are you still going to do it?
	Yes, possibly.
	To be radically transparent, and I maybe want to speak for myself, but I think I speak from more than one.
	Well, yeah, you're Paulie.
	I mean, you're open about that.
	But was there something else that you wanted to come to?
	It's general, though.
	I mean, that you're saying, like, from going from like, oh, from your whole phase or whatever, and being like, oh, no, I'm Sacred Temple.
	Now, like, only certainly, like, you only can sleep with me if, like, we're together for a long time.
	And, you know, like that might not be your forever.
	To be honest with people, no, we may dip in and out.
	We may go back into a whole phase.
	It honestly depends on where you're at.
	It's even worse.
	It doesn't matter if it's worse.
	It doesn't matter if it's true.
	You're asking for the truth.
	The truth is that you might dip in and out.
	Okay, here's what would be the best.
	Depending on where you are and your emotional trauma healing.
	Here's what would be the biggest L, right?
	Pretty big L.
	So, okay, you meet a girl, the past 10 guys she's had sex with instantly, then she makes you wait three months, you date her for six months, you break up with her, and then she fucks a guy within a week of the day.
	And then she goes on and fucks 10 new guys.
	So the standard was completely arbitrary, totally arbitrary.
	It has nothing to do with some sort of moral standard.
	She was just dangling the carrot in front of you.
	She either just didn't have that burning desire, as Jake says, or she's playing some, she's gamifying, she's gamifying, or she's using sex as a means to secure a relationship with you.
	All the things you said were true.
	Everything that's been said is true.
	I mean, yes, we are.
	Okay, so it's dialectical therapy where two things can be both true at the same time.
	Sure, and my advice to men is: if you know, I understand it's hard to understand for you.
	If you know, here's my advice to men: if you know that a girl had a different standard previously, she's not worthy of your commitment.
	Go find a girl who's worthy of your commitment.
	I think that really comes down to personal insecurities and then you got to work with insecurity.
	It's got nothing to do with it.
	It's got nothing to do with it.
	It is.
	That's how you feel like, oh, so I'm not worthy of her love.
	That's not love.
	She's not worthy of mine.
	No, who's saying that she's not lovely love?
	She's not worthy of mine.
	It's so situational that, yeah, and that's fine.
	Everyone is valid for their right.
	You're not saying that it's right or wrong.
	You're valid to that, but they're not necessarily wrong for deciding that they want to sleep with someone.
	Like, that's their choices.
	They can't say it's right or wrong.
	It's completely their choices, but you are completely valid to make your boundary.
	It's totally her choice to sleep with 20 guys before me immediately and then make me wait until marriage.
	It's also my choice to look at that and say, that's bogus.
	I ain't signing up for that.
	Goodbye.
	Go find a different sucker.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	And that's what I advise to men: no.
	Uh-uh.
	Go find a girl who that's always been her standard.
	Let's flip this up.
	That's not true.
	I was going to say that.
	How many people are going to find that that's the standard?
	That that's true.
	Because especially in the day and age, like we are not raised with those kind of morals.
	We are in such a massive society.
	We have sex pushed down our throat so much that when I was younger, I didn't understand all that.
	You know, and then it happens, and then you're like, oh, you got told a lie.
	You got told to lie.
	Although you're still buying into the lie.
	But so, okay, question.
	Do you think men should pay for first dates?
	Do you think men should pay on the first date?
	I don't, I think they could.
	Would you?
	It depends.
	Who am I to say what one should or shouldn't do?
	I'm pretty, I tend to be pretty selective with the women I like to date.
	So one of the things that I might select for is a lack of past promiscuity.
	So if she's to some degree a traditional woman, then under those circumstances, I'm prepared to pay for the first date.
	But my advice to dudes, like if you're not getting traditional treatment from a girl, first off, you shouldn't date her to begin with.
	So there shouldn't even be a conversation of, well, should you pay, should you not pay for a non-traditional woman?
	You know, look, if you want to be a non-traditional woman, you should expect non-traditional treatment from a man.
	Let's go 50-50.
	You're going to have to take initiative when it comes to various things.
	What else?
	Trying to think of other sort of things where it'd be more 50-50.
	You can plan out dates, that sort of thing.
	You can take the lead.
	You can take initiative.
	Don't expect any gifts.
	Don't expect me to provide, etc.
	What you're saying is correct.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	But do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	Do I want them to?
	I mean, it's situational.
	I mean, I like gifts.
	I said one of my love languages is gifts.
	Yes, I would like to be spoiled in that way, but I also will do that too if that's their love language and they like that.
	And I can.
	I mean, it also comes down to those things of what you can give that I may not have as much money as he has, so maybe I can't buy him dinner, but I can make him dinner.
	You know, there's all different.
	It's all right.
	All opinions are right.
	All opinions are right.
	All opinions.
	I mean, that we've got.
	You shouldn't say should also, by the way, Jake.
	No, we got to get rid of should.
	Sorry.
	Should it be removed from the dictionary?
	Wait.
	Well, should it, but could it be removed?
	It could, but whatever.
	Should it be removed?
	Should should be removed from the.
	Should or shouldn't do.
	That is.
	I cannot see into the future.
	I can't see.
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	I want you to thank each of those names next to the blue for us.
	Go ahead, Kayla.
	Think of them.
	Thank them.
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	Scotty Squirts.
	I really appreciate you.
	It's okay.
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	What are we thanking them for?
	Subscribe.
	Oh, they subbed on Twitch, yeah.
	All right.
	So I wanted to come back to something you said.
	You said beauty is a subjective.
	Yep.
	Oh, speaking.
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	Brixon, someone told me you're racist.
	What?
	So I needed to ask.
	Five girl versus six girl, bro.
	No lying you come in with four girl and I'm a not accept.
	Oh, wait.
	Rain?
	Do you mean?
	I think he means five foot.
	Five foot girl versus six foot girl.
	No lying you come in with four foot and I'm racist.
	What does this have to do with racism?
	First, Monstacama.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	We thought we lost you.
	I need to date some more.
	No, he doesn't need to.
	No, it's fine.
	Is your question, would I prefer to date a five-foot girl versus a six-foot girl versus a four-foot girl?
	I mean, I'll date them all.
	You know, I like short women, so the five-foot, I'll take the four-foot.
	I'll date a dwarf.
	Would you guys date a dwarf?
	I would date a dwarf.
	I want to ask, does the height matter for boys?
	Yes, it matters for me.
	It matters for you?
	Like, how so?
	They have to be below five foot seven.
	Have to be below five foot seven.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I'll date.
	I'll date a girl who's like, she could be a fucking Amazon woman.
	No, I can't.
	I'll date.
	I'll date 6'7.
	No, I like to get a good idea.
	Think of kids.
	No.
	But also, I'll date a girl who's like 4'5 ⁇ .
	You like that guy in Game of Thrones, that one who loves, you know, that one, that warrior who loves the big lady?
	Oh, Brianne of Target.
	Torment.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You like the one who's like, he was like the wild lady who loves Brianne.
	He's like, we will make giant children.
	I forgot exactly what he said.
	No.
	The big lady, I guess you call it.
	How about the short girls?
	Short girls with tall brothers.
	That's ideal.
	How about that?
	Short girls, tall brothers.
	No, I'll date.
	How tall are you?
	I am 49, let's say.
	4 feet 11 inches.
	4'11 is good.
	That's a good heart.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, I think you're kind of too tall for me, to be honest.
	Like, I wish you were kind of short.
	I always have a kind of like thing in my head.
	I felt it like personally, like I think height is a thing that boys see.
	It's just like in my head.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, but we like short though.
	I think it's weird when guys like tall girls.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You need to be able to pick you up and throw you into the pool.
	You know?
	Fun size is a thing.
	Yeah.
	So you wait, you think guys don't like short women?
	Is that what you're saying?
	I think this was the thing in my head.
	It's because it's my secret.
	I actually think it's like a like men.
	There's.
	I mean, I think honestly, I think men don't care about height.
	They'll date.
	I think men will date women their height, maybe even a little taller.
	I think typically it tends to be women would not date a guy who's shorter than them, or they prefer to date a guy who's X tall.
	Typically, you know, you're here six feet, or at least taller than them.
	But I don't think I've really heard of guys saying they don't like short women.
	No, no, I think don't like tall is more common.
	So you're good.
	4-11?
	Yeah, you're good.
	You're chilling.
	I know.
	Are we asking that size matters?
	Are we going down?
	I mean, we could.
	Why not?
	What's your answer to the question?
	Not if they know how to use it.
	What if they don't know how to use it?
	Then it might matter.
	And it might matter.
	Okay.
	Here, wait.
	Actually, I want to do.
	We have to do this all at the same time.
	Okay.
	We're not going to do this with paper.
	On the count of three, with your, like this, don't do it now.
	When I say three, I want you to lift your hand up and I want you to show what you think.
	Oh, this?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, you could do that.
	What is.
	What do you guys should we do?
	What they think the average.
	What do you think?
	What's a good average?
	I know the average if you guys want to know what it is.
	It's like five.
	Five inches?
	It's five and a half.
	Five and a half.
	I'm pretty sure.
	That's good.
	Ideal or average?
	What do you reckon?
	I reckon the ideal is funnier.
	Let's do ideal.
	I reckon I'd like to do it.
	What would you add?
	Ideal.
	Well, then it's like the whole everybody, get your ideal.
	Girth.
	There's your length.
	Length for girf.
	Shout out to length for girf right.
	I reckon we go to length.
	Length for girf.
	Let's just say that it's an acceptable girth.
	Yeah.
	It's an acceptable girth.
	On three.
	Did you say flaccid or hard?
	Hard.
	Okay.
	On three.
	One.
	Wow.
	Two.
	Three.
	But you could immediately up here, up here, guys.
	I still didn't care.
	She's got that Jason Love over there.
	Wait, stay there, Nick.
	Get the way.
	My best perception is not here.
	Johnny Sins are bigger than your face.
	Madison, can you measure?
	Wait, keep your hands up.
	Madison's going to measure.
	Can we ask each person how much they think?
	Yeah, how big do you think that is?
	Oh, there you go.
	Wait, keep your hands up.
	Don't change.
	Don't change.
	Stay there.
	I don't care if you start having muscle spasms in your hands.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	Madison's going to.
	Okay, so how big?
	And I think this is average.
	How big do you think that is?
	I don't think it is.
	Wait, guys, guys, guys.
	Five and a half.
	How big is that?
	Five a little bit.
	Don't change.
	It better be bigger than average.
	Wait, let them answer this first, though.
	Go ahead.
	How big is that?
	I think six inches.
	Okay.
	Six and a half.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, like six and a half.
	You have maybe like five and a half or six, I think.
	The average one, I would say.
	Nick, you're not.
	Hello?
	I'm sorry.
	You're gonna focus on me?
	Okay, go ahead, Maddie.
	Let's get some measurements going.
	So you said this is the other way, I guess.
	I guess you want to see it?
	So we can see, I guess.
	That is She shrunk it.
	She shrunk it.
	That's six and a half.
	Okay, fine.
	What about her?
	This is ridiculous.
	It's about six and a half.
	Six and a half.
	All right.
	All right, we got a size queen over here.
	Hey, don't move it.
	Don't move it.
	Oh my god, is that about the same?
	Whoa!
	Oh, she shrank at eight and a half.
	Okay, what about here?
	Don't change your answers.
	That's seven, seven and a half.
	Okay, all right.
	Seven, all right.
	Okay, all right.
	All right, modest here.
	That's a five, five and a half.
	Okay.
	Accurate.
	Just go this way.
	Yeah.
	It's like four and a half, five?
	Four?
	They're built a bit different in India.
	But all right.
	Oh, you want me to do that?
	This is a PG-13 show, Madison.
	We're not.
	Show us because they were saying what they like.
	No.
	No, we were saying the app what they like was.
	No, I think what we would prefer.
	Haram!
	Okay, good talk.
	I don't know how we got to penis size.
	Well, we were talking about beauty is subjective.
	Then the TTS came through.
	Let me just double-check here some of our chats.
	Yeah, we're good on that.
	Oh, the height thing, right?
	Oh, does height matter?
	Okay, we'll go around the table.
	Does height matter?
	I prefer a tall guy.
	I'm 5'6-something, and I round to 5'7 when I say my height.
	But yeah, I like tall guys.
	Bare minimum.
	Bare minimum, probably like 5'11.
	How tall is your Chrome boyfriend?
	He says 6'1.
	But I think it's shorter.
	Yeah, I think taller guys are more attractive.
	I think taller guys are definitely more attractive.
	But like, bare minimum is my height.
	Okay.
	Clearly, I do not gauge size well.
	So have you been on dating apps?
	Not really.
	Oh, okay.
	Because you can put height on dating apps, and sometimes you might use that as a metric.
	How tall are you?
	5'1.
	5'1?
	Okay.
	bare minimum height?
	Uh, I mean, I guess around as tall as me.
	I guess I'd be very attractive to someone that was like slightly taller than I was.
	Okay.
	And I consider them short, but usually shorter guys have smaller dicks.
	So just saying.
	Wait, what?
	Is it physiological sense?
	Smaller guys have smaller pins.
	I don't know if you ever heard the term tripod.
	I have.
	I knew it's wharf.
	Neeraj underscore MJ underscore Sean.
	Five height if height doesn't matter?
	If this guy is good in every aspect, needed if you want to be trying to get married as soon as possible, I would have for sure, okay?
	Height wouldn't matter to me if the guy I liked.
	Oh, he's watching.
	Yeah, he's watching.
	Wait, he's the guy you liked and what happened?
	The married guy?
	Yeah, he wants to get married.
	No.
	Yeah, I told him.
	The love triangle guy.
	What happened?
	He wanted to get married and you really liked him?
	Yeah.
	And he was 5'5?
	Yeah.
	Wait, that's him?
	That's him?
	That's him.
	I'm not him.
	Wait, he's the married guy.
	Wait, you wouldn't marry him?
	You would not marry the triangle guy?
	I'm gonna date him, but he was like, he wanna just date a girl who he was willing to get married because he thinks he's 30, he's well settled, he wanna get married.
	Is he all is he also?
	He would have dated.
	Yeah, he's Indian.
	Neeraj, wait, would you, when, when did this breakup happen?
	It's not a breakup, and it's not like something like a fight or something.
	You just confessed, I confessed it, and I already know that he's looking for a girl to get married.
	Yeah.
	Why not you?
	I think right now on the phase of like building myself, and I don't want to put myself.
	He wants to get married right away.
	I'm okay, like waiting, and you know, just being in a relationship gives some time to him and myself, but he wants to get Naraj.
	I'm a be your wingman here.
	Neeraj actually contacted me before the show.
	Yes, he did.
	And he wanted me to propose to you on his behalf.
	Oh my gosh.
	That's a joke, right?
	Will you marry Neeraj?
	He's here.
	He drive me all the way.
	Oh, he's here.
	You want to go?
	Wait, is this?
	Where are you?
	Yeah, my car broke, and he brought me.
	Do you accept?
	I already told him, like, if you're going to wait, I'm ready, but not right away.
	Because I'm going to build myself.
	Yeah, like, don't worry.
	You're engaged.
	Here, just put this shit on.
	Put that shit on.
	Put that shit on.
	Just put it on.
	Wait, hold on.
	He drove you here?
	Yes, because my car broke.
	Oh, I see.
	Where are you going?
	Here, just stick out your left hand really quick.
	I got you, Nairaj.
	I got you.
	Stick out your left hand.
	Just put it over here.
	I don't know.
	You're massive.
	On her?
	Yeah, just put it.
	Just do it all silent.
	Slide it on.
	Let's see it.
	Are you happy?
	Oh, no.
	Silver is not your color.
	Wait, hold it up.
	Hold it up.
	Look how good that gold looks, though.
	She's now engaged.
	Can we get some W's in the chat for Neeraj and V?
	What did I miss?
	She got married.
	She's married.
	Wow.
	She's married.
	The guy.
	Is he still here?
	If he's like, this is some Romeo and Juliet shit, and you're like...
	No, it's not.
	She goes over to the balcony and Juliet is the East and the Sun is.
	I don't fucking know.
	He's more than a bitch.
	We have a chat here from this.
	Brian.
	Actually, Kayla, we need you to read this.
	Why me?
	You've got a good speaking voice.
	Go ahead, Kayla.
	No one's told me that.
	Thank you.
	Brian is like a new Adam Corolla.
	Pod could be like Loveline someday.
	I bet Adam could come on.
	He's not that far from you.
	Would Destiny be getting divorced?
	What are you doing?
	Everyone's opinion on Polly's success.
	Hey, first off, thank you for the compliment, man.
	I used to listen to Loveline all the time when I was younger.
	And it actually be super cool to get Adam Kroll on.
	I'd love to do that.
	With Destiny getting divorced, opinion on Polly's success.
	Oh, I think it's catastrophic.
	I don't think that there's, I don't think it's a good approach to approach to relationships.
	No offense, Katie, over there.
	But I don't think it works out ever.
	And especially doesn't work out if it's like a girl with like five dudes.
	Hurrah.
	That doesn't work.
	No way.
	I'm not saying it's better if it's like a dude with five chicks.
	I think a lot of people that go into it don't go into it with the correct intentions either.
	So I understand why that rate would be high.
	All right.
	Well uh I think it's just not really at the end of the day it's not conducive to having a family which is not conducive to continuing our population and civilization which is conducive to civilizational collapse.
	It's absolutely terrible for society terrible for society.
	On the micro it might be okay.
	They're letting women have babies again.
	Yeah they are since they want to be like not just one baby like more what's that got to do with with with poly though?
	You were talking about populating the world.
	Yeah well they had a catastrophic one child policy.
	Yeah I know I'm saying that that changed I've heard recently.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Well they were never polyamorous so I didn't say that.
	What did that I didn't get what it had to do with it.
	Just with populating I was going off that you were talking about populating that.
	Would you agree that it's very like anti-natal or anti-family?
	You think little polys before going into that stage is about learning about yourself and love and different things.
	Do you think that you guys and there are a lot of poly families as well?
	Do you think that poly people will be a victim of Darwinism?
	A what?
	A victim of Darwinism.
	So they'll get bred out.
	Of Downism?
	Darwinism.
	Down syndrome.
	Darwinism.
	I know that's all like what Darwin is.
	I don't know what that is.
	Evolution.
	Do you think that because like, you know, not everybody.
	I think the COVID vaccine is going to be the end of evolution.
	Maybe that's kind of Darguard.
	Yeah.
	Let's avoid that one.
	But probably only 40% of men that have ever existed have reproduced.
	Really?
	And something like 80% of women.
	Yep.
	Wow.
	You know what that means.
	So people get Darwin all the time.
	I think poly people are just ripe for a Darwining.
	Yeah.
	So they have been.
	Get fucking Darwin.
	No, like natural selectors.
	Darwin.
	You're on that Darwin bird?
	They win the Darwin Award.
	Good times.
	Okay, we've got to talk about beauty's objective.
	We've got to talk about...
	We've got to talk about...
	What other notes do you have?
	I've got a lot of notes on...
	Oh, actually, let me get through some of my pre-show notes here.
	Hold on.
	Was it...
	Wait.
	Uh...
	Oh, here it is.
	What?
	I will go.
	I'll come back to that.
	Oh, I had something for Kayla here, but she's getting up to.
	I just chucked an energy drink.
	Oh, you got a pee?
	Okay.
	Question?
	Yes, question for Kayla.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	You said relationship.
	Maybe we could describe what we were looking for or who our dream guy is, and then hopefully he pops up on our DMs from the show.
	Yeah, I did say something like that.
	That's actually literally verbatim what you said.
	Why would you say that with a boyfriend?
	Yeah, don't you have a boyfriend?
	I think I did it for like the group.
	That's so altruistic of you, I guess.
	It'd be cool.
	Wing woman.
	I was actually like thinking, why don't you just throw like a one or two random guys in the group with the ch the panel of what are you talking about?
	We got some alien just got punched in the face at the end of the day.
	Please be respectful to Madison, she's... nevermind.
	I don't know where I was going.
	Sorry, Matt.
	I didn't know if she was on every single one or not.
	But I knew she worked with you guys.
	Respect to you, but all.
	Who is she?
	So.
	She's integral.
	That's what she is.
	Integral.
	Huge.
	Huge.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So, okay, did you describe what you're looking for in Dream Guy, I guess?
	Yeah.
	Let's do looks.
	Let's do physical and then let's do personality.
	Physical, tall, handsome.
	Okay.
	I don't really have like a preferred eye color.
	I don't know.
	Good hair.
	Charismatic.
	Funny.
	And honest, loyal.
	Honest, loyal.
	Yeah.
	Open.
	Wait, into the mic.
	Yeah, that's pretty much all I can really think of right now.
	I know there's a long list that I have, though.
	You got a long list?
	Yeah.
	Have you written it down somewhere?
	I haven't written down.
	I'm about to bust it out after I hear it from all of you.
	I'm busting mine out too.
	What are you guys looking for?
	Let's talk.
	We'll do looks and personality.
	Go ahead.
	You want to hear my list?
	Let's hear the list.
	Do you want me to pull it out?
	Oh, you got written down?
	Oh, yeah.
	Bust it out.
	While we wait, get it out.
	While we wait, Jake is going to do the Haka, even though he's Australian.
	You can?
	You can do it.
	Do you know how to do the Haka?
	I've watched enough Old Blacks.
	You know what it means when they put their tongue out like that?
	They're trying to be intimidating?
	It means they want to eat you.
	It means it's saying, I'm going to eat you.
	Yeah.
	Which of the hakas do you prefer?
	Do you prefer the kamate or the kapa openga?
	I don't know if that's the one.
	You know that's true.
	I grew up watching the Old Blacks versus the Wallabies.
	Yeah.
	And it's so iconic.
	They kamate, I'd say.
	In South Africa, they've got the spring box.
	I like the spring box.
	The spring box.
	Just give us.
	Wait, wait, give us a.
	No, no, no.
	perfect so okay guys she has a just to recap what's going on here She's written down a list of what she's looking for.
	Do any of you else have this?
	She's written down a list of what she's looking for in a man or a you're by, right?
	So also did you do this while you were straight.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	What you're looking for in a man.
	Okay.
	It's like really long.
	I'm not going to go through it.
	No, no, no.
	We got time.
	Do it, do it.
	Okay.
	Emotional and not afraid to admit their feelings.
	Existential and philosophical.
	Interested in the world, driven and ambitious.
	Doesn't try to hook up the first time, asks me questions and is genuinely interested in who I am as a person, is grateful and expresses that gratitude, who can teach me things and pushes me to be my best self academically, spiritually, mentally, open-minded, and non-judgmental, doesn't speak badly about people in his life or past, who is content just being in my presence, who I know likes me for me, someone I can be vulnerable with and trust, someone who loves life or wants to really feel like they are living, someone who follows through,
	someone who is okay with being alone and doing things alone, someone who can have fun without constantly drinking or smoking, someone I can confront or communicate with who will listen to my feelings and try to understand them, someone who is adventurous and loves to try new things, someone who does not play games, someone who loves books with the star.
	They don't have to.
	Someone who is health conscious, matches and returns my energy, who doesn't make me feel like I always have to be energetic or happy, who brings out my feminine energy and can dominate me in ways, who's open-minded and goes out of their way to listen and learn about all perspectives, who's worldly,
	who isn't afraid to disagree with me, who's comfortable experimenting with and doing body work like Brima or Tantric Sex, LOL, who brings out my silly side, who has found themselves first, who can cry in front of me, who knows what they want, who puts effort into seeing and talking, complimenting me, reassuring verbally, and who doesn't make me question their intent.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Is that it?
	Was there more?
	Is that just the first?
	That was good.
	That was a good, good list.
	Now I have a question.
	Do you have a corresponding list of what you bring?
	No, I mean, no.
	I could make one.
	Well, maybe.
	What do you bring?
	For myself at this point in my life, loyalty, honesty, good communication, fun.
	I'm really adventurous.
	I'm really good at planning things.
	I'm really good at going after what I want.
	If I want something, I'll bring them with me.
	I would say I'm, yeah, really ambitious.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Well, one thing I did here there, and I don't want to linger too long because we already talked about it for a while.
	You said you don't want a guy who tries to sleep with you on the first date.
	Yes.
	That's kind of, but you've slept with a guy when you were in Europe just on your Euro trip.
	I'm saying I don't want to be in a long-term relationship with the guy who tries to sleep with me on our first date.
	On my first date with him.
	But you don't have qualms with sleeping with somebody on the first date.
	I don't have problems if he has slept with people on the first date.
	No, but you don't have an issue sleeping with guys immediately.
	But you don't want.
	If I'm in Europe and all my little travel things, blah, blah, blah, and I'm not looking for a relationship.
	What if he's like the perfect guy, but he wants to sleep with you?
	On the first date, bro.
	Is it a no-go?
	Honestly, yeah, I don't think he could be the perfect guy.
	If he wants to sleep with you on the first date.
	I mean, if you, like, he could want to, but it's his intent.
	What if the vibes were there?
	What if the what if the vibes were there?
	And you're like, ah, he's not.
	What if the vibes?
	The vibes were there in terms of like.
	Like, you said you want a guy who can dominate you and do tantric sex and shit.
	Wait, that was two other, like, what if he's like.
	I said.
	On some.
	What's that fucking sutra?
	No, no, no.
	Because I think that takes time to develop with someone.
	And I have to be emotionally careful.
	You can't just fucking get into random play.
	No.
	Well, I'll never say never.
	You can't just start tying someone up on the first date.
	That's like more of a second date activity.
	Okay.
	God, it's a tough crowd here.
	Okay.
	Bondage, no?
	Is that what you said you're into?
	Are you coming to me?
	I said someone who's comfortable with.
	No, experimenting.
	No, Dante.
	Did you're into BDSM?
	You can't do it.
	Experimenting.
	Experimenting with different things.
	I have some interests of my own.
	I experiment.
	Different things.
	And tantric sex is different.
	Have you tried that?
	I've tried it with my partner before, yeah.
	How does that work?
	How do you do?
	Like, you just Google that shit?
	How to fucking tantric sex?
	Like, you got to practice that shit.
	Do you know what Tantric says?
	Nah, she just fucks.
	What'd you say?
	You just, like, they are no tantra, son.
	It's just like, let's fuck.
	Do you know what tantric is?
	I saw American Pie 2 and Finch.
	You know, Finch from American Pie 2?
	He was trying to get with the ficus.
	That shit was weird.
	I don't know.
	All I know about Tantric sex, Kama Sutra, is from American Pie 2.
	Were you, I don't know.
	I really don't know anything about it.
	What is it?
	Can you share with the sound?
	Yeah, what is tantric sex?
	That's a good question.
	I don't know if I'm going to define it correctly.
	Should I Google the shit?
	Yeah, Google it.
	Let's see what.
	Tantric sex.
	Isn't it where the guy doesn't come or doesn't ejaculate?
	It's like breath work.
	You got to breathe.
	It's like, meditate.
	You can have an orgasm without touching yourself.
	And lots of things.
	Oh no.
	It's a little bit, it's just like crazy positions.
	Experimenting.
	It's like crazy positions and shit, though, bruv.
	You can have tantric.
	I ain't about the crazy positions, I'm sorry.
	You can do tantric yoga and stuff, and it's not about even being with another person.
	You can do tantric yoga, which is about finding sexuality.
	This all sounds a bit demonic.
	I feel like we're going to do it.
	Sounds like a lot of work.
	I just said open who's experimenting.
	Come on.
	Don't you want someone who's open with experimenting?
	Different things.
	Don't be silly.
	Oh, of course.
	Being open-minded, enthusiastic.
	Enthusiasm's probably the number one.
	You just got to be very enthusiastic.
	Okay.
	You know, even if you're inexperienced, if you're enthusiastic, you can go very far, very far with that.
	So how did we get there?
	We were, oh, the list.
	It was the list.
	The list is good.
	All right.
	I've got a list, but I'll let everybody else go first.
	What's what?
	Wait, what was the?
	Oh, what does everybody want?
	Oh, it's modest a comma.
	Kayla, read it quick.
	You destroyed me in my bad questions.
	I'm simply trying to spice it up in support, not trying to downcast MB.
	Please keep your up on all platforms, but also Rumble when?
	Honestly, I think I would go to Twitter before Rumble.
	Although Rumble's a little better live streaming, probably they have a better live stream setup.
	It'd be actually interesting to get a Twitter deal.
	Like move.
	I could see myself moving the show to Twitter, but or X, yeah.
	Twitter, I don't know.
	I feel like the discovery on Twitter, even though Rumble has a better live streaming platform, Discovery on Twitter is fucking insane.
	So Twitter could be dope, but yo, Elon, what's up?
	Hook it up.
	Okay.
	We're going around the table asking, what you want in a partner?
	Our dear Katie, go ahead.
	What do you want?
	I don't know.
	Besides a 5'4, studly, polyamorous.
	5'4 with that beard with the just giant cannon.
	You don't know what you want?
	I don't know.
	I don't know how to answer that question right now.
	Do you want a rich man?
	You asked it in one way of what am I looking for?
	You could just answer the question.
	I don't know how to answer the question.
	I said that.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	That's not something that I can.
	There's this moment in time.
	I can help you out.
	I can help you out.
	Let me help you out, Katie.
	I got you.
	Would you prefer a guy who's not an arsonist?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so we've narrowed it down a little bit.
	Would you prefer a man who has not committed an act of genocide?
	Who has not committed an active?
	Like a war crime, yeah.
	Who has not committed an author?
	I don't like war crimes.
	That bro will reach out to Elon and tell you what he says.
	Yeah, hook it, dude.
	Modestakama, hook it up.
	Off to X. If we get canceled, guys, go to the fuck.
	You never know with YouTube, woke platform, if we ever get canceled.
	Because Katie over here starts talking about jabs.
	It's true, though.
	If we ever get canceled on YouTube, X. X.com slash whatever.
	So would you date a war criminal?
	Drugs?
	Katie, Katie, would you date a war criminal?
	Would you date a war criminal?
	Probably not.
	George Bush comes to mind.
	That's a little old.
	Various night African warlords.
	Rwanda.
	Have you seen that?
	What's that Rwanda movie?
	What's that Rwanda?
	Aggression is not for Rwanda.
	I don't like guns.
	What's that?
	Hotel Rwanda?
	you seen that the the two t's and the you mean 100 Huh?
	The 100?
	What are you talking about?
	I don't know.
	I'm asking if you would date or not date a war criminal.
	I don't know what a war criminal is.
	No, I guess not.
	Riz Oros donated $200.
	Ladies, would you date a guy in the Manosphere slash took the red pill?
	I don't know if they were.
	It's so funny because I kept asking what is red and blue dots for.
	Do we have to choose the red and blue at the end of the day?
	Brian, one question.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You're going to get a cross pill on that table?
	I don't know what that, like, just a cross on there.
	I don't know what that would look like.
	Oh, is that a white pill?
	Is it a cross pill?
	It's probably a pill with a picture of Christ on it.
	Well, what?
	I thought that was the white pill.
	No.
	The white pill is the Christ pill.
	Is it?
	I've just heard it.
	I'm the Christ pill.
	I've heard the Christ pill, but I thought white pill is for like drug addicts.
	What the fuck is going on here?
	No, so here, let me ask this.
	Because I think the girls might not know what the manosphere is or whatever.
	Do you guys know who Andrew Tate is?
	Would you date Andrew Tate?
	I don't know who that is.
	No?
	I think he might be your type, to be honest.
	I could set you up.
	If I got you, if he's currently stuck in Romania, but if I could set you up on a date with Andrew Tate, would you go for it?
	I'd go for shits and giggles.
	You do it.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Bucharest.
	You would be traveling in Europe, so what happens when Romania stays in Romania?
	They have a nice compound in Bucharest.
	I can tell you it's a beautiful city.
	And the compound would probably be quite nice, too.
	Would you guys go there, maybe order some pizza?
	Perfect.
	Yeah?
	Perfect.
	Pick up the pizza.
	Yeah, nice.
	Yeah.
	Die cot.
	Okay, all right.
	Because that's Rizz or Roast.
	Is that who else, anybody here?
	Would you date Andrew Tate?
	I don't even know who he is.
	The topic?
	Absolutely not.
	Andrew Tate.
	Andrew Tate?
	No.
	Andrew Tate.
	Do we get raisins?
	Why not?
	Kayla, Andrew Tate, you would date Andrew Tate.
	Be honest.
	She would do anything to date Andrew Tate.
	Look at her.
	Her eyes lit up.
	Just the thought of it.
	I feel like you can go comment.
	Look up Andrew Tate's views on feminism and just read that maybe?
	We can talk about feminism.
	Feminism is the worship of the devil.
	So you can understand why he doesn't like feminism.
	Is that in quotes somewhere?
	No, I just said it just.
	Do you believe feminism is the worship of the devil?
	It is.
	Can you please elaborate?
	Sure.
	I mean, you can read a book called Occult Feminism by Rachel Wilson, and it goes into detail of it.
	Basically, if you look into the history of feminism from the start, there's a lot of demon worshiping going on.
	There's a lot of summonsing demons, and there's a lot of women who are involved.
	Don't discount very nefarious spiritual practices.
	Very nefarious.
	Dissimilar to Katie.
	Katie.
	But not quite the same.
	Lots of strange mystical practices.
	Demon summonsing, worshipping demons.
	Interesting.
	Demon worship.
	Occult feminism.
	Occult feminism, Rachel Wilson.
	BLZ.
	Goes into it all.
	If you actually wanted to learn about it, it'll blow your hair back.
	Interesting.
	I actually saw an interesting quote from Nick.
	I don't know if you can pull this up.
	Fuck.
	Nick, Google this.
	So there's someone named Kate Millette.
	Her sister, who you should Google, Mallory Millette.
	So Kate founded the National Organization for Women, which I believe was founded in the 1960s, which is a feminist organization.
	It's the preeminent women's advocacy organization.
	And I believe if it was either Kate or Mallory, they had some interesting things to say about the American family.
	So Google Mallory Millette, M-I-L-L-E-T-T, and then American Family.
	And I think you should, that prompt should be able to help you find it.
	Yep.
	Well, that's what the history of feminism is, trying to destroy Christianity and destroy the family.
	Are you Christian or Catholic?
	Christian.
	Well, show me the Google results that you have.
	Oh, I mean, you can just...
	I think there's another one.
	Florence Farr, I think her name is.
	Mr. Kate.
	I think you can click on that one.
	But, I mean, you're going to have to search for, I don't know what the prompt is that you can search for.
	Destroy the something?
	It's like destroying the American family.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Well, okay, while you get, huh?
	Give me a second.
	Okay.
	I mean, it might be in that PDF.
	But, hold on, guys.
	Let me see if there's.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drops a prime sub.
	If you have one, we were going around the table on what everybody was looking for.
	We're looking, because I guess we're now talking about feminism.
	we'll come back to what everybody is looking for while I'm waiting on Nick to find that.
	Katie, would you date a?
	My answer is what she said.
	What did she say?
	That she would date a war criminal?
	That whole list was like really good.
	That's good.
	I'm a little surprised you haven't really been definitive here on the war criminal thing.
	So let's go back if you were living.
	Well, I don't understand what war criminals.
	If you were live in like the 1930s.
	Not a good question, because chicks love war.
	1940s.
	Would you date a war criminal?
	I don't know what a war criminal is.
	You don't, huh?
	I don't know what a war criminal is.
	So a war criminal would be someone who has committed crimes against humanity.
	Who's basically like if you go to an African country, for example, like Rwanda that he was talking about before, where there was civil wars happening and where they were macheteing people to death in the street, a lot of the people who were in the world.
	I did answer that I don't prefer aggression.
	I don't like guns, so no.
	Ooh, that's a good question.
	Going around really quick while Nick is still finding that.
	You think you got it?
	Give me one sec.
	Would you date a guy who owned a firearm?
	Really quick, going around the table, go ahead.
	I'd have to think about that.
	I have to think about that.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah, my whole family owns guns.
	Yes, if I know I can trust him.
	No.
	No.
	Wait, so it was yes, no, no.
	You have to think about it.
	No, I said yes.
	Oh, you said yes.
	I don't like yesterday.
	You'd have to think about it and no for you.
	Okay.
	Okay, I'll finish the thread.
	I'll finish the thread really quick.
	Okay, question.
	Let's say you're dating a guy.
	It could be a long-term relationship.
	You guys live together.
	Three men are breaking into your house.
	Would you prefer your boyfriend to have a firearm or his fists?
	Nick, hello?
	Hi.
	It's a question for you and for you.
	Go ahead.
	Three men are breaking in?
	Three men are breaking in, yeah.
	Okay, and we know these three men are breaking in.
	There's, yeah, if that scenario, that's a firearm.
	When the door busts down, no.
	In that scenario.
	What about?
	In that scenario, I would say yes.
	You gotta speak closer to mine.
	Go ahead.
	In that scenario, I would say yes.
	But I think having a gun in the house at the situation, imagine like you have a gun.
	Do you think you're gonna bring it up and just so you think that you wouldn't like a man to have a gun unless someone's breaking in?
	No, I don't think so.
	I don't think so at the situation, if you have a gun, it's gonna work.
	You're gonna get panic and situation gonna be less than a hundred years.
	So you don't think it's better to have a gun in that situation?
	I said first, but then I realized it's not gonna even work.
	What if he knows how to use it?
	What if he can just like a spaghetti western?
	I feel like it's not gonna be a situation.
	That's what my point of view is.
	You don't think it's gonna help having a gun in that situation?
	I think there are just like 50% chances that it's gonna help.
	Wait, 50% chance that the gun's gonna help?
	Yeah.
	Like that'll make a difference.
	Like if you'll be able to get to it, you'll be able to use it in an accurate way.
	Let's assume he can get to it.
	And he can use it.
	He can get to it, he can use it.
	And he can use it.
	Let's assume it's on the bedside table and my man is like plenty of it.
	I think it's useful, but yeah, I don't think so like having a gun in house is a good thing.
	Right, you got the people like this close to the microphone.
	Oh.
	This close.
	Sorry.
	Do you want to move your chair forward a little bit?
	Yeah, you're kinda uncomfortable.
	Yeah, I would say if it's like saving life at some point, it's okay to have, but I personally, overall, I'm not going to date a person who is having a gun in their house.
	I have a reason to.
	You have a reason?
	Yeah, I think anger is something that can bring a lot of things that you had never even imagined about a person.
	And that can be really a bad thing in the house.
	Well, so you're saying that your boyfriend would like go on some violent tantrum?
	Can be.
	Your six-foot boyfriend who's dating a 4-11 woman, he doesn't have the capacity to kill you with a knife, like a kitchen knife or his fist.
	But he could go get the gun and shoot you down.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, there are so many things.
	Yeah, there are possibilities, I would say.
	I don't feel like it's a safe thing to have in the house.
	Honestly, like, this might sound crazy.
	Like, if I had to pick a way to go versus, like, if I'm fucked, if I have to die by a gun or a knife, I think I'd prefer the gun, to be honest.
	Yeah, man.
	make it quick i mean i know that's not a i i don't want either of course but yeah i think i'd prefer a bullet to the head than like multiple fucking stabs I'm asking the men that are breaking into the house, what would you prefer them to have?
	Would you prefer to be killed with a gun or a knife?
	That's what you're asking.
	Otherwise, otherwise it doesn't matter.
	Her fear is the fear of violence from your partner.
	Like, overall, I don't believe that there should be a gun in the house.
	But if that's a particular situation there, then I believe 50% that gun gonna help if there is a gun in the house.
	But yeah, I think that in terms of living in America, though, people have guns here.
	You do not want to be bringing a butter knife to a gunfight.
	Yeah.
	So when you're here, and if you have a family to protect, you're not going to be sort of like conscientiously objecting to have a gun.
	If you're stable enough, I think.
	But if you're stable.
	doesn't matter if you're stable if someone breaks into your front door then you're well it doesn't you're an alcoholic if you have anger issues and you have a gun that you could But like, you're bringing it to an extreme.
	We're talking in generics here.
	So just in general, if you live in America and everyone's got guns around you, you don't want to be a sucker with the one person who doesn't have a gun.
	I assume it's me by myself in my house and I have a gun.
	Man, I can't bring up a gun and shoot someone.
	Go to the range.
	I don't think I'm going to do that.
	I don't have that courage that I'm going to.
	I think in a real life situation, I'm going to be, every person is going to panic.
	Like I think 70% person is going to panic.
	Well, you're going to panic, but if you're training.
	Training.
	Anyways.
	So, well, okay, if you're going to pay.
	Grid 1 Motorsports donated $100.
	Better to have and not need than to need and not have.
	100%.
	Thousands of crimes are prevented by armed citizens every year.
	The number one weapon used in homeless ideas is a blunt object, even if a gun is there.
	And the number one death by guns is death.
	Someone inflicting it upon themselves.
	You guys know what I mean?
	Okay, we...
	Wait, we were going around the table and what everybody wants.
	We're going to talk about, oh, Nick, you're going to pull up that thing.
	Go ahead.
	Let me see if I can read it.
	Huh?
	You need to make it bigger.
	I can't read that.
	Mallory Mallette?
	I don't think that's it.
	Feminist.
	Scroll down, scroll down, you need to do a search for destroy, like, scroll down.
	Ah, here it is.
	Yep, Up.
	1969, Kate invited me to join her for a gathering among feminists.
	Consciousness raising group.
	Can you make it bigger, Nick?
	A typical communist exercise.
	Something practiced in Mouse China.
	But now it was Marxism.
	Okay.
	Here.
	Can you read this, Kayla?
	The quotes.
	Why are we here today?
	Why are we here today? She asked.
	To make a revolution, they answered.
	What kind of revolution? She asked.
	The culture revolution, they chanted.
	And how do we make a culture revolution? She demanded.
	By destroying the American family, they answered.
	How do we destroy the American family?
	She came back.
	By destroying the American patriarchy, they cried exuberantly.
	And how do we destroy the American patriarchy? She replied.
	By taking away his power.
	And how do we do that?
	By destroying monogamy, they shouted.
	How can we destroy monogamy?
	Their answer left me dumbstruck, breathless, disbelief in my ears.
	Was I on planet Earth?
	Who were these people?
	By promoting promiscuity, erotic prostitution, and homosexuality, they rounded.
	So, I mean, that's the sister and one of the founders of the National Organization for Women, the preeminent and leading women's organization in the U.S.
	I mean, it has its genesis in basically attempting to destroy the American family.
	Also, if you look back at like early feminism, it was incredibly, it was a very rather racist movement.
	Like, they didn't want, they wanted white women to vote.
	They wanted to secure the vote for just white women.
	And some of the most famous feminists, like Margaret Sanger, for example, is a eugenicist.
	She believes in culling population.
	And she's also, you know, responsible for family planning.
	All of the abortions that happen now, she's basically responsible for that.
	So these people are dark, twisted people.
	And then this is seeped into our society today.
	We don't even realize what we're believing.
	Before we go further on that conversation, though, I do want to go around the table.
	Maybe I should have asked this first.
	Who here considers themselves a feminist?
	Starting with Kayla.
	I don't.
	I don't think I'm educated enough on the topic.
	And I just got really overwhelmed with how many loud girls were yelling at me or like shouting around about it.
	Okay, that's kind of bass.
	Yeah, that's good.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't consider myself feminist, no?
	Yes.
	To a degree, I believe in gender roles, though.
	You believe in gender roles?
	What are those?
	Like, I believe for certain situations, other people might not need it in their life, but for me, I do believe that, like, with my partner, I expect him to make enough money to take care of me, but I also plan on getting enough money for myself, regardless if I have a partner.
	But I love the idea of him financially taking care of me, even if I have the financial means to take care of myself, because I think that that creates an environment where I can be more feminine.
	I can be more in that feminine role of like cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.
	I don't think that fits everybody.
	I think that's very personal to me.
	I believe that guys should open the door for me.
	I believe flowers.
	Pay for first dates.
	Yeah.
	But I believe that investment comes back.
	I think when you're in a relationship, if they're paying for all the dates, my love language is gift giving.
	So if I'm financially able, that might mean I'll buy him his like dream car, right?
	It's like great scenario there if like all the finances work out.
	I don't expect him to financially support me because I'm not able to financially support myself.
	I expect to have a high-paying job.
	That's my goal.
	I'm not going to be a stay-at-home wife.
	But I think it creates this environment that allows me to be in my feminine.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	Can it go likewise?
	Like, a man can also expect the same thing.
	Like you asking him for the date and you paying first time and then he can give you a like you are investing first and then he's giving you like back.
	That's the same thing.
	I wouldn't go on a date, a second date with a guy if he didn't pay the first time.
	So that's a very feminist position of yours, but would you say that you're a feminist when it suits you?
	Not when it suits me, but I believe that women should have the same rights as men.
	I believe that we should be paid for the rights.
	What rights are you fighting for?
	I mean right now we have the same rights, but the idea of feminism came from a history.
	You said you're a feminist, so that must mean that you're sort of like leaning towards there being more rights given to women.
	What rights?
	It's supporting that there's a continuation that women have the same rights as men and that we get paid the same and stuff like that.
	We have the same rights.
	What's wrong?
	I'm not saying that we don't.
	I'm saying that it's a continuation of support because the idea of feminism started.
	So then you're saying there's no need for the movement, but you are still an advocate of the movement.
	Well for me personally, there's not an industry that I'm in that I'm like fighting for this, but I know that there's a lot of feminists that are in a certain industry where they don't feel like they're treated as equally as men.
	And I support their fight for that equality.
	Well there is though.
	I mean it was legislated in the 1960s there's equal pay and if you can prove that you're not being paid equally for the you know the the same level of seniority the same work that's being done you can bring a lawsuit.
	Yeah and we've like moved towards that but we're still seeing situations where there isn't equal pay and that's what this great conversation of like talking about your wages that's starting to happen now.
	On the wage thing really quick do you think for example NBA players do you think WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players?
	No.
	So male basketball players, female basketball players?
	No, strictly because there's a higher view.
	There's more viewers for the NBA, which is a direct translation of their profit, their funds, the investments.
	I think that with sports is a little difficult because it's based on viewers.
	It's similar to like a TV show.
	You two are feminists?
	Do you think on the NWA versus WNBA?
	Do you think that they should be paid the same?
	NWA.
	I think that there should be a gross rate calculated per view and then we should all just base it off that.
	Like a strict standard for every single viewer online.
	Like per viewer you make this amount of money and I think we should set that for men and women so that it's equal.
	Well you could just look at the profit and just do it according to that, right?
	Like how much money they're bringing in.
	Exactly, yeah, and then base it off of that.
	Would you say that that's a feminist position?
	I think feminism is bringing the idea of men and women equal.
	So I feel like that's setting an equal standard.
	Do you think men and women are equal?
	I personally do think that they're equal.
	In what regard?
	In almost every regard.
	Do you think that women are as strong as men?
	Yes, mentally and physically.
	Whoa.
	Wait, before we answer that one, I do want to get everybody's input on that.
	Are men and women physically the same strength, generally speaking?
	No.
	I mean, I wouldn't.
	Can you scoot your mic closer to you?
	No, no, no.
	Scoot it, scoot it, just scoot it.
	Okay, no.
	In terms of muscle mass and what we're able to apply.
	Strength, just strength.
	How much she can lift.
	General strength.
	No.
	Okay.
	Typically, no.
	Okay.
	On the average, no.
	What?
	On the average.
	On the average.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It could be, and then there's that like supermother strength.
	No, and then there's like this.
	But hold on, but don't.
	That's like typically.
	But don't walk back your statement.
	You said that men and women are equal in mental acuity and strength, physical and of the mind.
	Yes.
	But you, I'm a little confused because the.
	On the average, though, your typical woman, she's a 5'5 frame versus a typical man is of like, what, 5'11, 5'8?
	I don't know.
	So generally speaking, generally speaking.
	Generally speaking, no, but I'm talking about like strength and like valor.
	No, but you said you're very strong.
	That's what you said.
	Maybe I'm comparing it to myself because I consider myself a pretty physically strong person.
	So I'm not asking yes.
	No, but we're not.
	In general, then no.
	I returned to the moment.
	Can I ask a question?
	Like, what if a guy who is like doing exactly the same we were doing, same bodies, same strength, same everything, and you did the same thing, do you think that competing, like, you would win?
	Would you like to do that?
	I just kind of feel like guys, like, genetically, are just born stronger than a girl being born.
	Oh, I think she walked it back.
	I don't know.
	Okay, just, I want to try to wrap up on a couple things here.
	Well, because there's been a few conversational threads that haven't been finished.
	Really quick, we're going around.
	Grid one motorcycle.
	Yeah, thank you, Grid 1.
	Bread is right.
	There is inequality, as women have more rights than men, are harder to fire than men, and have lower hiring requirements than men.
	Life on easy mode.
	Men and women are not equal at all.
	Okay.
	Yo, grid one, really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for your thank you for that.
	If he looks up any of the major companies you're looking at, the percentage of women and men, the majority is men.
	And though we're working towards making it equal, that is just false.
	Because if it was easier to hire women or women were more inclined to be hired, then that percentage wouldn't be the case.
	Well, I mean, one thing that occurs to me, what is the primary motive of a business?
	What is the purpose of a business?
	Profit.
	To make money, right?
	So if it was actually true that you could hire women and pay your workforce, let's say a company of 10,000 people, you could pay your workforce and save 20%, 30% on salary, wouldn't the companies just hire women if it was actually true that you could just pay women less?
	But for these large corporations that are governed and run by men, men, even yeah.
	Yeah.
	They are all governed by women.
	Look at the HR departments.
	The HR departments, hiring departments.
	If you're talking about current day, we're also talking about equal pay.
	When you say equal, though, why do you think it needs to be equal?
	In terms of like your professional life, it should be equal.
	You think that there should be the exact same amount of men and women in the exact same amount of positions getting the exact same pay?
	I don't think a company should be based, like trying to get the numbers 50-50.
	I think it should be based on your resume, your experience.
	That's why women get paid less.
	Because we have less time.
	Because women have, they generally are less qualified.
	How's that?
	Well, because women have to take time out for maternity leave, right?
	A lot of women, that's after they get hired.
	Yeah, I know, but okay.
	So they have to take time out for maternity leave.
	And there's like, men are willing to work a lot harder as well.
	Men are willing to work a lot longer hours.
	Like, if a man works a lot longer hours, then he's going to get paid more, especially in sales jobs, et cetera.
	Do you think that's a factor?
	Oh, well, where are you saying that women won't work those hours?
	Well, it's a fact.
	Men work longer hours than women.
	And also they have different interests as well.
	I mean, men will tend to go into STEM fields, and STEM fields pay more, whereas women tend to go to pink jobs, they tend to go to childcare.
	Here you're talking about the facts, not the coulds, that women could do those things.
	We could be there, but they won't, because I typically find that there's more women in my STEM field classes than men, personally.
	Yeah, but it's classes.
	But you look into the workplace and then they're absolutely dominated by men because men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people.
	I don't think that's true because current day, the majority of my friends are into banking, investing, economics.
	You look at the industry.
	These industries are dominated by men.
	And these are also industries where you have to work really hard until you're 30, 35 to start making money.
	Women tend to take time out because they go and take maternity leave and they want to have children because they're smart and they realize what's more important in life.
	Whereas men will work their asses off 80 hours a week until they're 40 years old.
	Maternity leave is about three months.
	Do you think that there's a lot of women who exit the workforce or who are at least very disadvantaged by it?
	No.
	Who do you think is more interested in STEM fields, men or women?
	Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics?
	I think that there's a mix.
	You think that it's equal?
	Yeah.
	You can pull it up there.
	Yeah, I looked it up too.
	Two-thirds of those employed STEM occupations were men, about one-third, 35% were women.
	So, I mean, do you think it's like this thing of supposedly men making more money than women?
	Is that due to, you think that's due to sexism?
	Historically.
	Burns donated $200.
	Wage gap doesn't exist.
	Men typically work higher paying jobs, more hours, and typically ask for raises more often.
	I mean, there's like various factors that go into this.
	When you start, if you just compare all the money that men make and all the money that women make, there's a, it's not a wage gap, it's an earnings gap.
	But if you start narrowing it down to, okay, well, this career field, here's the hours worked.
	Like, for example, men work, if you look at all men versus all women, men work more hours than women do.
	Okay, let's talk about a job that isn't hourly.
	Yeah, but like, it doesn't matter if they're hourly, because if you're working at a career and you're a man who's just, say, in a science job, right?
	And you're working 80 hours a week compared to a woman who's working 60 hours a week, then you're going to get ahead faster.
	And if you stay at that company for 10 years and you really get ahead, then you're going to be on a lot better money than a woman who's had to go and leave the job for a while, do maternity leave, come back, leave, come back, and is also interested in different things as well.
	And historically, through a comparison of people that work the same hours that have the same position, there was a wage gap.
	There was historically.
	And that's like feminism has existed through years, but the argument is, am I a feminist?
	Yes, because it took feminism to get us to the point where we are now to get that equal.
	Do you realize how different the job availability was 100 years ago?
	But that doesn't exist.
	Do you realize that?
	The fact that women and men got paid differently for doing the same job for the same hours.
	But here's the thing, like, equal pay feminism can really only, when it comes to workforce participation, can really only exist when there are comfortable, air-conditioned office jobs.
	You didn't hear feminists in the fucking 1800s saying, I want to go into the coal mines and get black lung.
	Because for the longest period of human history, most jobs were like extremely physically laborious.
	But also, that's still true today, though.
	If you look around today, the highest echelons of earners are all men, because, you know, like we said before, but then the lowest as well, all of the most difficult jobs, the ice road truckers, like you said, the coal miners.
	Whenever you go to foreign countries and you see people digging ditches on the side of the road, it's never women.
	And I don't see you guys fighting for those positions.
	You have videos.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	I have to play a video related to that.
	Nick, can you play those?
	I want you to maybe mute the audio, but it's the ship videos.
	Can you pull that up?
	Yeah.
	Really, before you do that, we were going around the table, I think, asking everyone, are you a feminist?
	I would say somewhat yes.
	Are you feminist?
	Feminists, like I say, I don't have the equal rights anything.
	I'm not.
	Okay.
	Do you have it, Nick?
	Yep.
	Okay, go ahead and play it.
	It's kind of weird with the four screen.
	Is that cool?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh, well, that's okay.
	I don't know what's going on there.
	So this is some, you know, some, okay.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	That's an oil rig or something out in the sea.
	All right.
	That's a guy jumping between two ships.
	I don't know if he's going to go weld something.
	Okay, there's a dude jumping out of the helicopter in the ocean.
	Yep, okay.
	You know.
	Oh, that looks fun, you know.
	Oh, that looks like a good time, you know.
	You know, just sinking in 50-foot waves.
	No big deal.
	So if you had to wager, you know, what the percentage is like between men and women who occupy that, the jobs that are, you know, the jobs on that ship, what would you wager is the gender breakdown there?
	99% are male.
	It's probably male.
	I mean, so we should probably analyze, aside from just the money that people make, we should analyze other sorts of gaps, right?
	So there's dangerous job gaps, for example.
	There's, you know, men are more likely to die on the job gap.
	Men are more likely to be electrocuted to death gap.
	Men are more likely to be crushed to death gap.
	Men are more likely to drown to death gap.
	Do you know what delta P is?
	Delta P.
	So this often happens with like undersea, undersea, underwater divers.
	When there's a pressure differential, if there's enough pressure, there's pipes, right?
	And if there's a, like, there's different ways this can occur, but basically you can get like sucked into a pipe and just basically your body can be imploded in like half a millisecond.
	I think the gender gap there is pretty significant.
	More likely to work outside in the heat or cold gap.
	More likely to work undesirable, disgusting, and dirty jobs gap.
	More likely to die at war.
	So I mean there's all kinds of gaps.
	Are those gaps due to sexism against men?
	Well, I think all this whole conversation of feminism and sexism is based on history.
	In history there were those gender roles where the men went to war, the men worked those hard jobs, the women stayed home.
	Still do.
	Right, sure.
	But the reason that women started going to school, learning to read, started even working as teachers, and going to law school and all that was because of one feminist.
	No, it wasn't.
	Then what was it?
	No, it wasn't.
	Well, it was a series of women.
	And most women at the time didn't want to vote.
	I don't mean one individual person.
	I resent that.
	But it was a group of feminists that pushed for women.
	Most women didn't want it.
	Most women didn't want the vote.
	But feminists didn't want the 19th Amendment.
	It's moving towards equality.
	It's allowing people to do what they please.
	So it's saying that if a woman wanted to get educated, that she was allowed to go get educated the same as a man.
	It's not denying her the opportunity.
	So you're saying that women can't get educated?
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Well, what's interesting about the education argument is since the 1980s, more women have been going to college.
	That's 40 years now.
	Is it due to sexism?
	Or is there like this misandry against men in society now?
	Because at UCSB, I suspect the breakdown is 60-40.
	60% women, 40% men.
	Is UCSB, the school you guys go to, is it a deeply sexist institution because it's 20% more women going to that.
	That's not equal.
	Well, I don't think equal opportunity necessarily means that everything that we see is 50-50.
	There are some schools that accept more men than women.
	There are some schools that accept more than 100%.
	Actually, no.
	Like globally, and certainly in the U.S., there's at almost any institution, the women outnumber the men.
	But you just said equal, though.
	That's why you said equality for women.
	That's what feminism is all about.
	It's giving them the same opportunities.
	But they have the same opportunities.
	Now they do.
	And in many cases, they far exceeded.
	But I'm talking about...
	Do you think that maybe your brain is a little bit poisoned by the fact that a lot of women just complain a lot about this when actually they've got a pretty good lot in life?
	I'm not saying our life is bad.
	I'm explaining that I'm a feminist because I supported all the work that it took to get here.
	To get where?
	To get to equal rights.
	So you do think you have equal rights.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	That was never my argument.
	My argument, you guys passed away.
	But you were literally just saying that you want women to be 50-50 in corporate jobs.
	Do you think that now that we've told you this, do you think that that's kind of a ridiculous position?
	I didn't say that I want women to be 50-50 in corporate jobs.
	I was talking about how in corporate positions you said that men have these interests.
	They have more interest in these manly things, investing this and this.
	And I'm saying I'm seeing a change in that.
	I'm seeing that the majority of the women I know are looking into STEM or looking into that, that times are changing, and that feminism means that we have the opportunity to look at the literature on this in terms of behavioral psychology.
	Women are biologically more interested in people whilst men are biologically more interested in things.
	Women are more nurturing, whereas men are more inclined to be protectors and providers.
	So we're going to go into those more high-paying jobs.
	And that's why throughout history, that's how it's been.
	But feminism is about women that want to pursue the same careers as men having those opportunities because we didn't always have those opportunities.
	Can I ask, like Brian just showed you a bunch of videos of men out on oil rigs and getting smashed about by waves.
	Do you think that it's kind of ridiculous that there's a movement of women saying that they want 50-50 and equal treatment in the top air-conditioned corporate offices when men are out here literally dying at work every single day?
	But those men also have a decision.
	They chose to apply to the school.
	Yeah, and women don't want to go near it with the 10-foot poll.
	That's their decision.
	But feminism is about allowing those decisions.
	Feminism is about getting what you want.
	It's convenient for you.
	It's preferential treatment.
	It's about usurping men.
	When it really, at the bottom rungs, they'll never ever go for those businesses.
	I disagree.
	To bring this back a little bit to dating, and it's related to the wage gap stuff.
	I want to go around the table.
	And I think your answer was you prefer a guy to pay for it on the first date, correct?
	And you said there wouldn't be a second date if the guy didn't pay for the first date, correct?
	Loose hossi energy donated $100.
	These softy feminist tances would not last two seconds in these extremely physical, dirty, tough jobs.
	Get your equal pay houses in a sewer, oil rig, coal mine.
	No?
	Yeah, I thought so.
	Fuck out of here.
	Oh, wow, okay.
	LPE coming in with some loose pussy energy is like the response to small dick energy, I guess.
	Anyways, so going around the table.
	Let's say you go on a date with a guy and he asks you out and he says, you know, you go get dinner and the check comes or he tells the waiter, oh, let's split.
	He wants to split the bill.
	Will there be a second date?
	Would you prefer and would you prefer if he paid for it?
	If I really liked him, I wouldn't mind who paid.
	But would you prefer the guy to pay?
	I mean, if he could, yeah.
	But if he like, so you wouldn't ditch the date if he only had a penny and he's fucking.
	What about you?
	I said earlier today that, yeah, paying for a first date or flowers for me isn't a huge deal.
	It would be something that like I, it would possibly raise something in my head to consider.
	And I would think about it, but it wouldn't be like the end-all.
	Okay.
	But you would like it, right?
	You've been on dates, though, right?
	Of the dates you've been on, do you know how many first dates you've been on?
	10, 20, maybe?
	Like where someone has properly asked me on a date.
	Like you went out to go get food with a guy.
	Okay.
	10, 20, 30, 40, 50?
	10.
	10.
	Okay.
	Has the guy, more often than not, has the guy paid for the date?
	Yeah, if he asked me on the date.
	Sure.
	Yes.
	What about you?
	More often than not, Kayla.
	More often than not, has the guy paid for the date?
	Way more often.
	Have you ever paid for a first date?
	I think so, yeah.
	Okay.
	If I initiated.
	Have I ever paid for a first date?
	Yeah.
	And then.
	What do you want?
	Do you prefer the guy to pay for the first date?
	Prefer, yes.
	Would there be a second date if he doesn't?
	If the situation that you said, if they were like, when a bill came and they're like, oh, let's split it, if they were in guy or girl, I mean, this because, again, bisexuality, that on any date, if someone, even if it's not romantic, honestly, if a friend invites me out, like, if they get invited out and they're saying, oh, like, then I kind of do have a slight expectation.
	Burns, go ahead.
	Yo, Burns, thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Women only want equal rights when it benefits the meet the draft or physical standards in such things like the military.
	Well, there's definitely a saying, and it goes, feminist until the check comes.
	But so short, quick answer, you prefer the.
	Prefer yes, but I wouldn't say no to a set of date, no.
	What about you?
	I think whoever did the asking should pay.
	Have you ever asked a guy out?
	Yes.
	On a date?
	Okay, that's fair.
	You do realize, though, just in response to that, most men very rarely almost never will get asked out by a woman.
	I know.
	Right.
	So I mean, but to say whoever should pay, it's basically your answer is essentially men should pay.
	But my answer, I said that saying that I have asked a guy out on a date.
	Sure.
	But we should also acknowledge that while you're perhaps an outlier, it's estimated $100.
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	Well put, sir.
	Okay.
	And you?
	I prefer him to pay on the first date.
	And you said, if he doesn't pay for the first date, there won't be a second date.
	Yeah, if a guy asks you on a date, I think he should pay.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would prefer it, but I don't mind splitting.
	Okay.
	I will explain and I don't, it's not going to change my opinion about like I will date him for the sake of it.
	So we've heard some women here, some women say, well, what's up?
	About the equal play thing, I just want to put in a fun point.
	I don't know if you saw that comment earlier about the men, some guy posted about equal pay, that they were like the reverse, that they want equal pay for OnlyFans, which is really interesting as a point that I never really thought about.
	If we launch equal pay, well then that's equal for them to come up too, not just women to rise.
	Yeah.
	I never thought about that industry.
	Just wanted to share that out.
	Yeah, I think there should be more representation.
	Okay, anyways.
	Well, the point I'm trying to get at here is some of you said, well, you know, you'd maybe be okay with it if the guy split the bill.
	Maybe you wouldn't even mind.
	But you did hear some of the girls' answers who said they either strongly prefer the guy to pay or there wouldn't be a second date.
	Now, let's assume in the general population that 30% of women, if the guy doesn't pay, there won't be a second date.
	30% of women, right?
	Let's assume that's the number.
	Perhaps it's more, perhaps it's less.
	That's still a very large portion of women, right?
	Now, I think there's a whole lot of factors that impact this supposed, supposed wage gap, earnings gap, whatever you want to call it.
	A lot of factors, you know, hours worked, the professions that are pursued by various individuals, the willingness to take hazardous and dirty jobs.
	Men, for example, are more willing to relocate for a job.
	Men are more likely to work nights.
	Men are more likely to work overtime.
	But let's remove all of that.
	Let's just say, let's just look at what I like to call a mating pressure.
	Now, I think finding love, finding a partner is one of the most important things that a lot of us will do in our lifetime.
	If there is a mating pressure from 30% of the population that demands that the men be providers in the relationship and demands that men pay for first dates, wouldn't that, even on its own, remove all these other variables I listed, the mating pressure that women place on men to be providers, to pay for dates?
	She said she wouldn't go on a second date with the guy if he didn't pay.
	Wouldn't that, in and of itself, explain why men make more money?
	Because you as women put pressure on men to make more money.
	I would also say.
	Is that a checkmate?
	I don't know.
	I'd agree with that.
	And also, we don't care about how much money you guys make.
	So there's no mating pressure for you guys.
	Whereas for us, it's an immense pressure.
	But there is a whole pressure.
	I got you.
	We slept with too many people then.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But we're talking about pay gap, though, yeah.
	We're talking about pay gap, but what about spending's gap?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Women drive 70 to 80% of all consumer purchasing through buying power and influence.
	Isn't it also the case that women take far more out of taxes and social service than men do?
	I think, I don't know.
	But I mean, if the expectation on men is to pay for first dates and we need to impress you by being able to pay for first dates and provide for you, and let's say there's 30% of women that want to be stay-at-home wives, that don't want to work and want men to be the primary and sole breadwinner.
	Wouldn't that sole variable, again, remove all the others I've mentioned, that sole variable, just completely explain away the wage gap?
	Would it be fair to say that men are more motivated to make money than women are because of the mating pressure that women put on men?
	I would say it's a factor.
	I would say it's a major factor.
	What about the major factor?
	What about the fact that our primary reason to be on this earth is to reproduce?
	Oh, yeah.
	Every single fiber of our being wants to reproduce.
	I also have another one that just occurred to me.
	So you mentioned men occupy higher positions of power that also happen to be really well paid, right?
	So do you think women are attracted to high-status men?
	Like famous musicians, professional athletes, actors, or men who are at the top of their, like if they're at the top of their profession.
	Like women find high status attractive.
	They find men who have prestigious jobs attractive.
	Yes, but that also is because it comes with ambition.
	If a man is up there in a rank, he's like doing so well, it's because he's ambitious, because he's talented, because he's driven.
	It comes with all these good qualities that embody like getting to that high top shot.
	Sure.
	So I have a question.
	Okay, so do you guys know Drake?
	Yes.
	Just his looks, like remove his status, remove his fame, remove his wealth.
	Looks-wise, would you agree he's like an average-looking guy?
	He's not like remarkably physically attractive.
	I agree.
	Now, question.
	If you put Drake in like a nightclub or a bar, and like there's a coat, like a hundred women who are like trying to pursue a guy, and then there's like a really good-looking guy, but he has no status, he has no money, and you put Drake in a bar, nightclub, whatever.
	Do you think women are going to be like pining over that like really attractive guy?
	Or they might, but do you think like if they could pick, do you think they'd rather get with like the really high with Drake?
	I'm trying to think, maybe there's a better example than Drake here, but Forza Horizon 5 donated $100.
	A woman working a nine-to-five job is definitely unattractive.
	Oh, I mean, I don't know about that, but so what do you guys think?
	Like, who are the guy?
	Who are the women going to gravitate towards?
	I think the cute guy with no money, no job or whatever, is just not marriage material, which is not my type.
	That's okay.
	That's fair.
	Can I ask you?
	Nobody wants to answer the question.
	Is that true?
	On the flip, is that attractive to you guys for us?
	What I would argue, our banking jobs.
	So, okay, let me here.
	Let me change it up.
	So, you've got Drake, like average-looking guy, but like super wealthy, one of the most famous rappers, very high status.
	I shouldn't frame it as what you're going to pick.
	Do you think there's going to be more women pursuing him than pursuing like just that normal, but like good-looking, much more good-looking guy?
	Our ego will, yes.
	The better-looking guy or we'll go after Drake.
	Okay.
	Yeah, to add on to that, I feel like it's more because, oh my God, I could pull Drake versus like, oh my God, I want Drake.
	Okay.
	It's more of like, if this person, if this high status is attracted to me, I get validation through that.
	Sure.
	That's like, like, imagine like a supermodel comes up to you and she's like super into you.
	Like, wouldn't you be into her?
	Because she's pretty?
	Yes.
	But you'd also get the validation that a supermodel, like Cindy Crawford, is into you.
	Some of them supermodels, but you wouldn't get any validation.
	It would be validation, yes, but like you wouldn't look, you wouldn't look twice at them for like a relationship.
	One of those girls who's just been around all the time.
	So just to finish my point here, now if you do the reverse, right?
	Let's say like, let's put Beyoncé in a club, and then you have like a 21-year-old, like stunning girl, but who's got like 100 followers on Instagram, broke, no money, no singing chops, but she's like extremely beautiful.
	I would argue most, and assume Beyonce is single, right?
	Most of the guys in that club, despite Beyoncé's insane status and success and wealth, most guys would pursue the beautiful 21-year-old nobody over Beyonce.
	Over Beyonce!
	An over Beyoncé.
	No!
	Rich women?
	No, no, no.
	Nope.
	They don't like, and it's also because of her status.
	That's a headache for us.
	I don't want a girl who's out there in the bright lights and shooting music videos all the time and traveling all the time.
	Well, then that's insecurity.
	That's you being insecure.
	Why is it insecure?
	Why do you have a problem with a woman being in the spotlight?
	And does that take away your spotlight?
	It's not about taking away my spotlight.
	It's just the fact that you want a humble, modest woman.
	You don't want a woman who's running around and just out in the streets all the time and traveling all the time.
	You want a woman who's kind of a part of your frame rather than doing her thing all the time.
	So you want her to be a part of your life versus having her own life?
	Absolutely, because one day she's going to have children and I want her to focus on the children.
	I don't want her to be focusing on career.
	I don't want her to be focusing on travel, anything like that.
	I want her to be focusing on children and family.
	I guess you want her to just sit home or you want her to be like a working woman.
	See, I think it's funny when people say things like, do you want her just sit home?
	Do you think that that's like an innocuous task, having children?
	No, I didn't say that.
	I'm just saying like you said like a goal going out.
	So if a girl is going on work, then also people are going to look at her, you know?
	Yeah, so I wouldn't look for that.
	Do you want a girl to be just sitting like being a housewife or a girl being like out working?
	No, housewife.
	Housewife.
	Yeah.
	That's weird.
	Well, I know it's weird because you're looking at it through the prism of a woman.
	You're looking at it as a woman who wants a man to be working.
	Whereas when we look at women, it doesn't really matter to us.
	And what if she wants to work?
	If she wants to work, she can, absolutely.
	And then they're going to be the same problem.
	The insecurities and everything.
	What do you mean insecurities?
	That's what you said.
	Is she going to go out and a lot of people are going to see her and same insecurities?
	I'm not talking about seeing you from day to day.
	I'm talking about being a celebrity.
	That would be just a headache.
	I wouldn't want to.
	If she's beautiful, I think then also it's got a problem at the work too.
	she is beautiful well look ideally from anywhere Ideally, what you'd like is a woman who just works part-time but then focuses on the kids.
	But if she's got something she's passionate about, that's a good thing.
	You want them to have hobbies and to be interesting and have lots of interests.
	But you don't necessarily want them to be working nine to five and going every day to work because then it neglects the children and the children have to go to childcare.
	So you want like a part-time job for her and that's okay for you, right?
	A part-time job would be okay, but ideally not.
	So it really is a turn off if a woman like wants like a night, like a tedious job, like a time-consuming job or a job where she's at work.
	Why would she want that?
	Why would you want that?
	What do you mean?
	She has a right to, like, she can.
	I know she's got a right to, but why would you want that, though?
	If your husband earns enough money for you to not have to go to work, why would you want to go to work if your husband says you don't have to work?
	Well, for me, I want to pursue a career in something that I'm passionate for.
	For example, in the beginning, I told you guys I wanted to study immunology and become a professor.
	It takes a lot of time, you know, that's time-consuming.
	But that's what I'm passionate about.
	And, you know, like, that's what I want to do.
	Like, I have so much passion for this in this lifetime.
	And I understand men would feel the same.
	I don't feel like that.
	That's good, though.
	That's your prerogative, and that's no problem.
	But you guys were looking around like I was strange because I said I wanted a woman who didn't want to have a career.
	Why is my preference strange, but yours is not?
	Because I think it suppresses a woman's urges.
	But if you find a woman...
	Do you think that a woman has an urge to have children and to raise those children?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay, so I don't think it suppresses the urges.
	I think it frees her to have children.
	I want to add to this.
	And I do want to say, I actually, I have no issue if women want to pursue a career.
	I don't object to it.
	I think, I don't think Jake does either.
	I think, but from a dating perspective, and I kind of stepped away there for a second, I don't think a woman's career, her ambition, how much money she makes for me and I think for perhaps a lot of men, I don't think most men really find it more attractive.
	Now, I do want to just add a caveat here so you don't think I'm a raging asshole.
	I actually am very much in favor of women, for example, going into STEM.
	I actually think it's a very useful career path because, for example, take cancer, for example, or take various diseases that we don't have solutions to yet.
	I think we should be throwing all of our intellectual vigor at these problems, whether that is men, women, or both.
	I think we should be using the exploiting is not the right term.
	Well, we should be exploiting the intellectual power of everyone that we can to solve these problems, which I do think eventually will have a solution.
	I think everyone here has probably known somebody who's had cancer or has a family member who's had cancer or some sort of disease.
	So, I'm very much in favor, actually, of women getting into STEM so we can tackle these various ailments that people eventually come across.
	But from a purely romantic perspective, I don't think men really care all that much about a woman's income or her special.
	I'd care more about her having interests, thing that she's passionate about.
	And if she's running a little business that's operating at a loss and that keeps her happy and interested, I'm happy with that.
	But having a nine-to-five job while you're trying to raise children, for me, it wouldn't be something that I'd like because you'd want them to be focused on the children.
	And I think that a lot of guys have that preference, but they're sort of not allowed to say it these days because then they get all the women who jump down their throat and say, oh, you want us to be chained up to an oven?
	No.
	There are a lot of women out there who hear that and think, yes, I would love to do that.
	I would love to just be a mother.
	I'd love to stay home.
	But then there's always this reaction when we say that, where people sort of, especially, no offense, but women who consider themselves feminists, they get like up in arms about it.
	And there's a lot of women who love that, who want that.
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	When a woman is pregnant to the first year of the baby, still she feeds the baby.
	I got it, like she can stay home and she needs the proper care.
	And kids need that to be like mom to be around.
	But I think it should be on the men to like equally taking care of the kids.
	No, not during child rearing.
	Not during the infancy of the child.
	Why?
	Do you want to?
	Because the child's attached to its mother.
	That's biology.
	The child needs its mother's teaching.
	I got it.
	For one year, a baby is feeding.
	Okay, the mom has to be close.
	But I think it's equal responsible.
	It gets all you together.
	Put it this way.
	Do you see what's happening in the schools these days?
	What's going on?
	I'm teaching school.
	Do you see the kinds of things that they're teaching in schools these days?
	Or in preschools?
	They've got all kinds of different nefarious flags hanging up around the preschools where they're indoctrinating little kids into different ideologies.
	Okay, so if you're somebody who has certain conservative values, like I do, I do not want my kids being shipped off.
	I want them to have my values.
	So I want them to be at home with my wife, potentially even being homeschooled, depending on how bad this stuff gets.
	You don't get my point.
	I'm trying to say it's like you are reducing her working hours because you want her to focus on kids.
	But I think that's what I'm saying.
	I'm not reducing her.
	Listen, I'm not reducing her working hours.
	She won't want to work.
	Do you think that that's like crazy that a woman wouldn't want to work?
	And there's nannies too that can stay home.
	And I don't want to nanny raise my kids.
	I don't want to nanny raise my kid.
	I mean, I don't either.
	I think there's a complete honesty to that.
	Thing I used to.
	A few years ago or the last maybe two years, I would have been this more.
	I still wouldn't call myself feminist, but I had a wall up against men and I was a little angry about some things that I went through.
	And so I was.
	I was like, I'm independent, I can be, I can be very independent I have been for the last few years.
	I've been by myself, been doing my own thing, taking care of myself, And it wasn't until this year that that is flipping for me and that I have realized that I have borne myself out.
	I don't want to be like this anymore.
	I mean, I want to be able to take care of myself and now I know I can take care of myself, but I do want that.
	To be able to go into our feminine is to be able to get a little bit older.
	Towards the wall, that they call it.
	That's when you start seeking masculine guidance more.
	It is interesting that it kind of is flipping, that it used to be that way, and then it went very feminine forward, and it is kind of going back.
	The reason why it is that way, though, is because the indoctrination is so vast that it's like, you're fighting me about saying that you're going to reduce your wife's working hours.
	I'm not fighting with you.
	Very first thing is just putting my opinion.
	No, no, but you're saying to me, you're going to reduce her working hours.
	No, that's like that's a bad thing.
	No, it's a very basic thing.
	Like I would say, kid needs like both, mom and dad both.
	You want a mother to take care of the kids and focus on the value.
	They don't should not feel alone.
	Everything, cultural value, whatever you want to put in the kid.
	But I think it's from the both side.
	It should be from the both side.
	Not only like from the mother.
	It should be like from the father as well.
	It's the father's job to provide for his family.
	The emotional support of the child and the love of the child needs to come from the mother.
	That's what you think.
	That's what it is.
	Women can be honest.
	That's just what you think.
	That's what you think, Jay.
	I guess further out history from time immemorial is all wrong.
	And it's actually the women who are the providers after all.
	And men are not.
	We are not saying that it's equal.
	Like, you have a wife, or like I have a partner.
	So I want to get married when I will be in the equal status.
	Like, I will be having a good job or my business is good.
	Would you want to work full-time when you're pregnant?
	No, I didn't say that.
	Listen to me first, what I'm trying to say.
	So while you're not equal, though, because your wife, your husband is going to be the provider.
	That's what I am saying, like, at what time when there is no equality, I'm saying, you can't be, you're not pregnant.
	That's why you have to go out and exactly.
	That's why the man needs to be the provider.
	After that, take care of the baby together.
	What if you ought to have three babies?
	So what?
	For them, the man has to be the provider.
	Because you're going to take Johnson.
	If I take it on me, I'm not giving butts to three kids.
	I'm going to be stick to like one or two.
	Then what?
	Okay.
	All right.
	A couple more questions here, and we will try to wrap up soon.
	So I need to read a couple chats.
	We have Billiam the Mars.
	These ladies would rather be deleted from a home intruder than have a boyfriend with a gun to protect their lives.
	LOL ladies, quit letting your fear control your lives.
	Okay.
	From Billiam the Mars.
	There you have it.
	Thank you, Billiam.
	We have one sec here.
	It's going to come in.
	We have Flan Life.
	Can Walmart Lord sing us a solo?
	Who's Lord?
	I know the Lord is.
	I don't know how to pronounce.
	Marci Buku for the Canadian 50 Man.
	Who's Walmart Lord, though?
	Who's that?
	What does she look like?
	Who looks like her?
	What was her song?
	What was her one-hit wonder?
	Do you know who Lloyd is?
	I want to be Royal.
	Oh god.
	Voice carrying okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Flan Life.
	Aaron Chambers, we don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the population.
	From Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood.
	How many of you girls knew that?
	You condemn her statement, but you won't change your vote clever, okay?
	Oh, there's something recently from an interesting post on Planned Parenthood's Instagram page that I saw that was interesting.
	Maybe, Nick, you can find it.
	It was just a weird billboard.
	It was about virginity.
	I thought it was peculiar.
	Actually, it'll lead up into our last thing, and then we'll hopefully get to wrap here pretty soon.
	There's that, that, okay.
	Nick, can you just pull up the Planned Parenthood Instagram?
	It's not related to abortion, guys.
	Don't worry.
	We're not going to talk about that.
	Oh, well done.
	Can you put us on the other side?
	Virginity, a completely made-up concept, a term that was created to control and shame people, mainly women.
	Your daily reminder that virginity is a social construct, not a medical term.
	Well, I don't know if people are actually trying to make the argument that virginity is a medical term.
	So this is a bit of a straw man here.
	But it's interesting.
	I don't understand a completely made-up concept.
	I'm not sure what that means, though.
	Virginity being a completely made-up concept.
	Well, if somebody hasn't had sexual intercourse, then they are virgins.
	Huh?
	I think, like, yeah, I guess there's a lot of people, like very small population, like nuns and stuff, who like will never have sexual encounters.
	It's a real thing.
	Yeah, the nuns.
	The nuns out there.
	But a term that's created to control and shame people, mainly women, I mean, agree, disagree with that, guys.
	I think it's definitely made to shame people, yeah.
	Okay.
	Shame woman, yeah.
	Virginity.
	But how, so I'm confused.
	Like, shame women, how?
	Shame women who are virgins or shame women who are not?
	Who are not?
	Both.
	Well, then, so it's not a term that was made up to shame women.
	I mean.
	I think it's a silly sign.
	What do you mean, a silly sign?
	Oh, the sign's silly.
	Okay.
	It's, yeah.
	Any thoughts?
	I mean, virgin is a word.
	It's the factual definition of virgin is a thing.
	Yeah.
	I do think virginity can be shamed.
	Yeah.
	Well, what I actually interestingly find that's related to virginity is, well, could be related to virginity.
	I think what they're trying to say is that women are shamed if they're promiscuous or have a high body count or are not virgins.
	But it occurs to me that men are shamed in sort of this opposite way.
	If men are virgins or men are involuntarily celibate or incels, they tend to get shamed that way.
	So that's always interesting to me.
	Any thoughts?
	I would say women are also shamed for being virgins.
	Really?
	No, but maybe by who?
	By feminism?
	I have heard women come on the show and they say, yeah, I've heard from women who are like, yeah, I was a virgin or I wasn't really doing hookup culture.
	I'd only been with one guy and all my friend group would make fun of me for not like having hookups or shamed me for being a virgin, which I think is wrong.
	It's like an expectation, though.
	It's like if I've told guys, like, this is when I lost my virginity, they're always really surprised.
	So like 19, like, that's crazy.
	And you're 20, right?
	I don't think that that's bad.
	No, I don't think it's bad either.
	I don't know.
	But I'm just saying that's.
	We got people losing that shit in junior high school, and that's a bit young.
	Could be a bit young, you know?
	At least wait till like, you know, a little later on.
	Well, maybe I also like women tend to feel shame, maybe, if they're still a virgin later on in life, too.
	Psyop.
	It's a psyop.
	Until 1955.
	Normally, it's like it's because of a religious conviction.
	You don't really get many girls who aren't religious and waiting till marriage.
	Does anyone hear a virgin?
	Any virgins?
	Nick?
	Nick raised his hand.
	Okay, no virgins here.
	Okay.
	Maddie rose her hand.
	I don't know about that one.
	Yeah.
	Well, related to that sign, do you guys often hear men preferring women with a low body count or even preferring virgins?
	Do you think it's.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Do you object to that?
	And if so, why?
	Starting with Apollo Shinod.
	Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	Thank you, Madame.
	Another great CP, Brian.
	Thanks.
	The girl in pink is semi-based but needs to read more.
	As always, Madison is the only nine present panel gender normative roles build the world.
	How are they wrong?
	I still don't get it.
	Can someone please explain it to me?
	And it's not readable from here.
	I said you're semi-based, so it means you're semi-in touch with reality, but you need to read a few more books.
	And then.
	Okay.
	Thank you for that.
	Are you talking about the thing I told?
	I was talking about that.
	I think just it's like a synopsis of the episode.
	It's a bit of a cliff notes of your performance.
	Thank you.
	It's beautiful.
	Wait, so okay, we were going around.
	Oh, do you object to men caring about body count?
	No.
	Okay.
	It could be a valid con like it's if they're triggered by it, then they need to communicate it.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	Do I agree with it?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I mean, everyone, I don't know.
	Say it again.
	Do you object to a man having a preference for a woman with a low body count or having a preference for a woman who's a virgin?
	Okay, yes.
	If I was to get with a guy and then I told him my body count and he was to turn me away, then I would object that.
	And I'd be like, I object.
	I have other things.
	So yes, I guess I object that.
	Okay.
	I don't object that.
	I think you can have a preference.
	Yeah, no.
	I don't object it fully, but I think your passion defines you, and that goes both ways.
	I do not object either.
	Okay.
	Pass shouldn't define you.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm curious.
	What's everyone's body count?
	Starting with Kayla.
	Go ahead.
	12.
	Okay.
	Three.
	More than that.
	Whoa.
	You want to give us a range?
	Between 15 and 20.
	Okay.
	Pass.
	Skip.
	Five.
	One.
	I want to keep it.
	Keep it personal.
	Range?
	Less than?
	You want to do a less than?
	Oh, under five.
	Like, it's not crazy.
	That's fair.
	Under five.
	Multiple three, and that's the real number.
	Not mine.
	I was asking.
	Whatever your answers were, you got to multiply.
	I divided it by three, and that's the real number.
	Did you fuckers look at that?
	All right, you guys' turn.
	Body count?
	Oh, I don't reveal my body count.
	For guys, it's divide by three.
	Yeah, it's divide by three for guys.
	Jake, do you want to reveal?
	It's between me and the Lord.
	He did have a ho phase, right?
	Did you say you had a ho phase at one point?
	Yeah.
	It's at least one for me.
	Lovely.
	Okay, good talk.
	All right.
	Last thing.
	Stiffler normally asks this question, but he's not in the chat today.
	Stiffler wants to know: rate yourself on a scale of one to ten, just your looks.
	If you had to rate your looks on a scale of one to ten, I know this is going back to you.
	Beauty is a bit subjective.
	Kayla, starting with you.
	Scale of one to ten.
	Just your own self-assessment of your looks.
	You can't factor in your personality.
	You can't factor in how fantastic of a super chat reader you are.
	You can't factor that in.
	Just physical appearance.
	I'm going to give myself a nine because I feel myself getting prettier and doing things to look a certain way that I'm heading toward.
	Getting prettier.
	Thank you for telling me.
	How much I'm drinking.
	I do wise.
	It does look kind of good, though.
	I ain't hating it.
	Yeah, now we.
	Is it what Joker?
	Are we talking like the suicide squad joker or Keith Ledger Joker?
	Okay.
	Because I don't know if she's going to get like a, what's the tattoo he has on his forehead, anyways?
	7.5.
	Okay.
	My looks match my body count.
	Just keeps going up.
	So 15 to 20 out of 10.
	Multiply that, do you know?
	Multiply that.
	That's like 60.
	Apologizing, though, thank you.
	Gender normative roles means the man hunts money, provision, etc., and the woman produces offspring, nurtures, etc.
	Despite recent popular ideas, this is what builds the world.
	Why is this wrong?
	Exactly right.
	Exactly right.
	And we all need to embrace it.
	It's the yin and yang of the universe.
	You guys keep looking at each other and laughing.
	What have you got to say?
	So do you think men should always pay on the first date?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	100%.
	Okay.
	And open the door and be taller.
	Not flowers.
	Flowers is a different story.
	Get the flowers out of here.
	Yeah.
	Do you guys disagree with that?
	You don't think that there's a yin and yang of the world?
	I don't think that statement is wrong.
	I think that's what built the world.
	But again, what I'm saying, I think feminism allows those that don't want to pursue that lifestyle to have the opportunity to.
	Right, okay.
	But do you think that there is a natural order to the world in a yin and yang that if adhered to actually create something quite beautiful, a unity?
	Yeah, but I do feel that a lot of individuals don't feel that.
	I personally feel that, but I know a lot of women don't feel that.
	But we're not talking about the fringes.
	We're just talking about in general that exists.
	And if somebody wants to embody that in their relationship and their family, that's surely that's a fine thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I notice that every time we say something, you guys look at each other and like laugh as if there's something outrageous.
	Because of your toxic masculinity, Jake.
	I'm beginning to feel for your toxic masculinity and your misogyny, sir.
	I will not stand for it.
	I've been scolded.
	As a feminist, get that blue wiggle.
	Watch out, Jake.
	Like, it's the really quick thing about the traditional gender roles.
	I mean, it's true.
	Like, I've been to places like Morocco and Albania.
	You see no women on the streets.
	They're in their traditional gender roles.
	They're rearing the children, you know, but they're like, they have no freedom to even get to do or choose what they do.
	But I'm not talking about Muslim countries.
	I'm talking about more of like the biblical patriarchy and the masculine and feminine order of the world that is embodied in the micro at the family.
	We have long hair don't care donated $100.
	Jesus Christ.
	Ladies, rate your BJ one to ten.
	Well, we haven't gone, we will do it, but we haven't gone around fully on the looks one.
	So I guess we'll do looks.
	Wait.
	Okay.
	Wait, so we'll go around rating one to ten, then we'll do his.
	What do you looks on a scale of one to ten?
	I give myself a seven and a half.
	Okay.
	I'll pass.
	Oh.
	Breaking my heart here.
	Can't pass.
	Range?
	You want to do range?
	Yeah, between one to ten.
	Okay, all right.
	She's between a one and ten.
	Yeah, I think I'd say a seven and a half as well.
	I will say eight.
	I'll say seven.
	Honestly, right now, I gotta give myself a five.
	I got a little dad bod right now, so I gotta lose the dad bod.
	Once I lose the dad bod, I think I can get back to a six, but right now I'm a solid five with the dad bod.
	No.
	But I have a dad bod.
	I've gained a bit of weight, you know.
	See, I don't engage in various vices.
	I don't drink.
	I don't party.
	I don't smoke.
	I don't do drugs.
	Junk food, sugar, cash.
	So my vice is gluttony.
	I just, when I get stressed, I just eat a lot.
	Like, I'll stress eat.
	So I gain some weight because this is some stressful shit, yo.
	I got a stressful life.
	I got ops.
	I got enemies.
	I got people out to get me.
	In-n Out Burger.
	I got like.
	What do I got?
	In-N-Out Burger?
	Oh, shit.
	That was my go-to after the show.
	Shit, I put down two burgers, French fries, and a shake.
	That's some like.
	Bro, Bland.
	I was being a degenerate, degenerate.
	I'm losing the weight, though, guys.
	I'm down five pounds.
	So I started the diet.
	I'm down five pounds, boys.
	Within eight months, six packs.
	Butler donated one pound.
	Yo, Jay Butler, thank you, bro.
	Does Ratface TV over here know that during his whole phase, condoms were not protecting him from genital herpes?
	He was the disease is clearly killing his hairline.
	Brian Hazmat suit.
	A yellow.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Do you want to respond to Jay Butler?
	Luckily, I dodged it.
	Thank you, though.
	For your concern, Jay Butler.
	Jay Butler, you've been a little bit, you know, a little more ruthless.
	You've been a little more ruthless lately.
	Normally, you just politely talk about herpes, but now you're making shots.
	See, literally, guys, everyone's got a huge.
	Does Jay Butler ever hear me?
	No, but he's here's the thing.
	Jay Butler, he lives in the herpes capital of the United States, which is New Orleans, I believe.
	I could be wrong.
	I'm pretty sure it's the herpes cat.
	And he's a urologist, which means he looks at a lot of dicks.
	Like, think about all the dicks you've seen.
	He's seen that in an hour.
	Okay.
	Think of that.
	One hour, he sees all the collectively all the dicks.
	So he's got herpes on the mind.
	One motorsports donated $100.
	Amish children do not cry because the family unit is so strong and traditional.
	Ask an Amish child when he has heard his father yell in anger, and he will tell you never.
	Maybe progressives are evil.
	Wow.
	Amish children.
	Would any of you like fuck an Amish dude?
	I would get with an Amish chick, you know?
	If he was cute.
	Would you like?
	Would you churn butter with an Amish dude?
	It'd be a fun date.
	It wouldn't be a dope date.
	And actually, could I, I want to sit you.
	I know an Amish guy.
	I'd like, I think you might be his type.
	Could I sit up with him?
	Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	Toxic masculinity is a misnomered pejorative like homophobia that is meant to denigrate normal.
	Hetero men who believe and behave in a nature-devised way to provide for their mates.
	Wow, that was wait.
	Wait.
	Oh, there's no.
	Excuse me, there's no.
	Yo, Apollo Shinoda.
	Thank you very much for your patronage.
	Is that your real name?
	Apollo Shinoda?
	It's like a Doc Vinablis donated $100.
	Yo, Doc, thank you.
	Feminists shame women for choosing motherhood.
	They then shame men who prefer to prefer potential mothers.
	They are evil as they aim to destroy families.
	Frizzy hair corner, you are guilty of this evil.
	Is that the girl that just got up while you sent in that super chat?
	Or because we have a couple.
	Well, you guys have curly hair.
	I object, Jadoc.
	They don't have frizzy hair.
	They have curly hair.
	Did he say frizz?
	And as they are guests of mine, Doc Vanablis, I'm deeply offended that you would dare.
	They've got, bro, they can look at her flow.
	Her flow is fucking dope.
	It's very rare that we have so many curly-haired women in the studio.
	I will not stand for your insults.
	I will defend the curly-haired women.
	How dare you say that they have frizzy hair, okay?
	Look at her lovely hair.
	They have flow.
	Do you guys know what the flow is?
	Y'all got the flow.
	Thank you.
	You're very welcome.
	Going back to long hair, don't care.
	He was at.
	Wait, did we go around on the.
	Oh, yeah, we did the looks.
	He wanted.
	Jesus Christ.
	He wanted to know your, the BJ skills.
	If you want to rate it on a scale of one to ten, I mean.
	Me first.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right.
	I would say maybe like a seven because I didn't get my tonsils out as a child.
	Huh?
	Is that a thing?
	So it's better because the tonsils are.
	If you want a deep throw, you've got to have no tonsils.
	Room for it.
	Really?
	I didn't know that.
	Oh.
	Good to know.
	Okay, only tonsil as girls.
	Just kidding.
	Yeah, I'm kidding.
	I didn't know that.
	Tonsils great.
	Tonsils.
	They don't take tonsils out.
	If you don't have tonsils, you get the glass.
	As often as they used to.
	Interesting.
	Okay, sure.
	What about?
	We'll go around the table on this.
	Don't shoot the messenger, guys.
	He sent it.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Like eight.
	Oh.
	I would say higher, but then there's one person that made me question everything.
	So I'm putting myself at a solid eight.
	Like, made you question it because, like, like, made you question it in the sense, like, you were like, no, like, like, oh, fuck.
	Like, what's like.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was like, uh-oh.
	I was like, uh-oh.
	Uh-oh.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I want to answer and be like, oh, it's the same thing as before.
	It just keeps going up and up and up, but I'll honor you.
	Like eight.
	Always room for improvement.
	Maybe nine.
	Okay, good to know.
	That's between me and the guy I'm seeing.
	I feel like you're good at it.
	Wait, question.
	You're by, right?
	Okay.
	Let me throw you a little curveball here.
	What about with the ladies?
	That's between me and her.
	You should have been like on fucking 10, yo.
	Okay, now I'm trying to help out a little.
	Nine?
	Okay.
	It's confident.
	Yeah, like a solid seven.
	Solid seven?
	Okay.
	No answer.
	Jake, on a scale of one to ten, what are your BJ skills?
	Rate your PJ skills on the scale of one to ten.
	Yo, Apollo.
	Shinoda donated $100.
	This name on my donations is just my lame Twitch game attack because this donation system is stupid.
	My real name is Stephen Austin, Texas.
	LFG Better Times on November 5th.
	November 5th?
	Is that what's November 5th?
	LF.
	Is that election day?
	Remember the 5th of November?
	The gun treason, wait, the gunpowder treason and Guy Fox.
	Guy Fox.
	Oh, we've got another one.
	Forza donated $100.
	Thank you, man.
	The way to a man's heart is a BJ.
	He won't feel like a real man unless deep throat.
	Remember that.
	The first bot was right.
	I don't think I don't know if deep throat is necessary, to be honest.
	It's the throat that can't say.
	Yeah, it's the throat.
	The throat.
	It's the throat that counts.
	She was the mouth that got away.
	Okay.
	All right, Forza.
	Hey, that's your first time chatting.
	Good.
	Thank you for your patronage, man.
	Appreciate it, Apollo.
	Thank you for your patronage.
	Appreciate it.
	One quick thing.
	Going back to the rating thing, Kayla, you said getting you're getting better looking.
	Yeah.
	As you age?
	Okay.
	So I'm wanting to go around the table on this related to the rating thing.
	Do you guys think that you look better now?
	Do you think you'll look better in 10 years?
	Or do you think you look better now?
	I'm not phrasing that properly.
	will you look better in 10 years or do you oh my god i'm like i think room temperature I've got a room temperature IQ.
	I understand.
	Yeah, I think you understand the question, but I'm not phrasing it properly.
	They get it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think in 10 years I'll be prettier than I am now.
	Okay, so you're 24.
	So do you think you'll be better looking at 34 than at 24?
	Probably.
	Okay, what about you?
	So you're 20.
	Will you be better looking at 30 than you are now at 20?
	I don't know.
	I don't put on enough sunscreen.
	I feel like now's the prime.
	Okay.
	But if you were to throw on some sunscreen, still be a babe at 30, okay?
	I think I'm going to be beautiful at all ages, but I will say when I look back at younger photos, I like my younger photos.
	Okay, so you're 29 now, right?
	So do you think you'll be better looking at 39 versus 29?
	I don't know.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think I'm going to be hot as fuck.
	You're 21, correct?
	Yeah.
	So you think you'll be better looking at 31 versus 21?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I also think I'll be better at 31.
	Versus 21?
	What about you?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think women kind of go into their looks sometimes.
	I think I'm going to be better, too.
	And you're reminding your age again?
	Twenty.
	24.
	So you'll be better looking at 34 than at 24.
	Yeah, okay.
	Going around one more time.
	Let's do 20 years.
	Will you be better looking at 44 versus now at 24?
	How old?
	What did you say?
	20 years.
	So 44.
	I'm a worried that maybe around like 43 is when I'll start.
	That's your peak.
	43 will be your peak.
	Maybe I'll start looking back by then to be like, oh my gosh, look at that photo.
	Around 45.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to age delicately and as gracefully as I can.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, nah, 40.
	Nah.
	Nah.
	There's pretty 40-year-olds.
	Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	Great panel tonight, especially your wingman, Brian.
	Thank you, Bloody.
	Also, more frowns, faces, and lip syncs from Madison always welcome.
	Greater than.
	Yeah, Madison, get on it.
	What about you, Katie?
	49.
	Better looking at 49 versus 29?
	Same answer.
	I'm going to be a beautiful old lady, and I'm beautiful now.
	No, well, okay.
	You can still be attractive when you're older.
	That's not what I'm asking.
	I know some very beautiful women that are equally comparatively speaking.
	But okay, what about you?
	Fortunately, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	So you think you'll peak at like in your 30s?
	I feel like 35 is like, oh my god, that's like peaked me.
	That's what I was thinking.
	I guess I don't got that long.
	You've got to go.
	The perfect age is man.
	How did he get here?
	I don't know what happened there.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think I'll be better at 41 than 21.
	You think you'll be more physically attractive at 41 versus now at 21?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	I probably won't be as attractive at 41.
	I don't think so.
	Don't think so.
	What about you guys?
	20 years.
	And do tend to.
	I'd say you're probably more in your physical prime in your late 20s and early 30s as a man, but in your 40s, in terms of career and where you're at and the wisdom you've gained, you'd be more attractive to a woman.
	But I don't know if you guys are answering that question as well.
	I think it's probably weird to say physical.
	Yeah, but what I was saying, were you guys doing it as in what men would be attracted to, or were you doing if you think you're more beautiful?
	Oh, personal.
	Personal.
	All right.
	Okay.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, to answer the question, I actually think I certainly think I was better looking when I was younger.
	And I don't think I'm going to get better looking as the years go on.
	So certainly no, not in 10 years, not in 20 years.
	Yeah.
	I was a fucking stud at 19, six pack.
	Let's see.
	You want to see photos of the show?
	Let's throw it up.
	You would have totally made me wait for sex for like three months back when I was 19.
	I feel like you and Surfer Dude Brian would have been a good couple.
	Surfer dude?
	I surfed, you know.
	On that note, can I say something?
	Because I'm always going to say something.
	This is where you put me in the seat.
	Go ahead, Katie.
	Tell us your thoughts.
	My little OCD is just saying that we never finished going around with our dream men, which stopped at me.
	You're right.
	We should complete that because I know you guys want to hear what I have to say on this.
	I want to get it around because you, you know, you want to hear my thoughts.
	Wait, am I going?
	Oh, well, were we, I think we were wrapping up on, oh, I just wanted to say, I'm not, don't want to be mean.
	But as time goes on, you know, we tend to age.
	Putting this as delicately as possible here.
	As time goes on, we age, we get wrinkles.
	I don't know if the whole thing, you'll be better looking in 10 years thing, 20 years thing, you know.
	You're probably as good looking in this exact moment as you'll be.
	Thanks, Dad.
	You're welcome.
	You're welcome, daughter.
	Go get me a bottle of water.
	We'll see.
	Yeah, we'll have you come back on this podcast in 10 years.
	We're going to do a reunion.
	Episode 130 reunion.
	All of you will still be here.
	We'll see where everyone's at.
	And yeah.
	Okay, so should I just say it?
	I don't know.
	You guys are nice.
	I don't want to be.
	Say it.
	Okay, fine.
	It's a little delusional, maybe more than a little delusional, to say you'll be better looking in 10 years than in 20 years.
	That's all I got.
	Okay, say by the way.
	Speaking of, why didn't you have the balls to ask Molly why she thinks she is so popular on off Brian?
	Lol, missed YouTube, but wait.
	Why didn't I ask Molly why she thinks she is so popular on OF?
	Does she think she's popular on OF?
	I don't know if that came up in.
	She was on our last show.
	She's been on the show like three or four times.
	If you want Nickelodeon, I'll ask her next time.
	I'm donated $100.
	Yo, Doc, thank you, man.
	My apologies, Brian.
	I did not realize that you were sitting on a new simp cushion.
	Indeed, free-flowing frizz.
	I can see the gorgeous chemical fumes rising from their heads, making up with a 100.
	I will have you know there are the simp cushion.
	Get me the simp cushion, Nick.
	Free-flowing frizz.
	First off, her hair is fucking immaculate.
	Don't insult my past, I don't know where my like 19-year-old surfer girlfriend over here.
	I take deep offense, Doc Vanablis.
	She's got flow.
	She's got flow, and she has flow.
	Don't insult the curls, Doc Vanablis.
	That's rude.
	I will not stand for it.
	I will, listen, if you do it again, Doc, if you fucking fucking talk shit about my dear friends here, if you talk shit about their fucking hair one more fucking time, Doc, I swear to fucking God.
	I will rain down on a godly fucking firestorm upon you.
	You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking.
	Doc Vanabollo, George Furf.
	Here is a 100 to get you to shut the fuck up.
	I will fuck you up!
	Did you hear what I said?
	Don't you fucking come from my homegirls here.
	If you come from my homegirls and their fucking hair, Doc Vanablis, we're gonna have a fucking problem.
	You understand?
	We're gonna have a fucking problem.
	Don't talk shit about the fucking hair.
	You fucking understand me?
	You understand?
	Okay, sorry, I got into my like.
	Have you guys seen The Sopranos?
	Great show.
	Fantastic show.
	It's on HBO.
	You should check it out.
	Okay, good talk.
	Oh, we were going around.
	Last thing.
	Katie really wanted to go around and hear everybody's what you're looking for in a guy.
	Your dream man.
	Your dream man.
	My dream woman.
	Or dream woman.
	Okay.
	Should we factor another?
	There could be.
	Yes.
	Would you, are you pansexual?
	Bisexual.
	Well, but you know, pansexual.
	I'm bisexual.
	Pansexual is, I think, a little bit different.
	Well, it's like you would date somebody who's trans, for example.
	I personally don't think I would, so I think that's why I does.
	Okay, okay.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah, they're just two different concepts.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	No, yeah, I know.
	Just, you know.
	So my person of interest, the good qualities I'm looking for is probably ambitious.
	I want someone who's passionate about something and driven.
	I also really, really like disciplined people.
	Someone who's funny and charismatic and outgoing, very adventurous, and someone who's educated and is curious.
	And athletic.
	And athletic, okay.
	What about you?
	I'm lucky enough that I have my dream man, and he's ambitious, kind, caring.
	He makes me a softer person, more my feminine.
	He's encouraging, and he just is always looking out for his family, his friends.
	Someone like that.
	So I'm lucky enough to have met my dream person.
	Yeah, the qualities I would say is like loyal, honesty, patience, thoughtful, and open-minded, and also like willing to be vulnerable and emotional and adventurous.
	I would say I like a moderate man, not like more musculine personality, nor more like feminine.
	I want a moderate person in my life.
	Also, I want a family-oriented ambition.
	I don't know how you pronounce it.
	Right now, if he's not at a stable job, he should have some goals and he's actually should be working on them.
	Like, I should feel like he wants to do something in life.
	But before I have Jake go here, I just want to ask the chat.
	I want you to rate.
	Wait, go back, Nick.
	I want you to rate the back of Kayla's head on a scale of one to ten, chat.
	Rate the back of her head on a scale of one to ten.
	Apollo Shinoda donated one dollar.
	Yeah, thank you, Apollo.
	Also, Brian, get your dollar on the road.
	There's lots of cities with more interesting women around this great country, especially here in Austin, Texas.
	There is dollar to made, but even better conversation.
	Apollo, first off, thank you for your chat.
	Really appreciate it.
	I actually have considered like having a tour bus and like doing the show in different cities, but that's like a major logistical thing.
	And yeah, I mean, I'd love to do it.
	It'd be super cool.
	Like, okay, one week, Sunday, Tuesday, we're in Idaho.
	One week we're in Oregon.
	One week we're in Texas.
	One week we're in Montana.
	And just get women from those local geographic areas to come on the show.
	That could be interesting.
	Also, like going international.
	Let's do it in Japan.
	Let's go to Thailand.
	Let's go to Europe.
	Let's go to Latin America.
	That could definitely be interesting.
	It's just a question of it'd be super fun, but it's logistically doing that and like having, because like our studio setup is not mobile.
	It'd be very expensive.
	We'd probably need a sponsor to go and do that.
	You know, we're talking like multiple people, like flights, hotels.
	Do we bring our equipment?
	Do we rely on like local, a local potential studio?
	So it's a good suggestion, something I've certainly thought of.
	So one thing I have considered, actually, I'm going to keep this secret, but we're working on a new format.
	So, oh, Jake, your, by the way, chat, please rate the back of your head.
	Jake, what are you looking for in a lady friend?
	I'd say number one thing would be that she has to fear God.
	She has to be a godly woman.
	She has to, not has to, but preferably a virgin, if not a very low body count with only partners.
	Feminine, submissive, loyal, and just wants to have a family and multiply and have a big army of children.
	That was beautiful.
	That was good.
	All right, guys.
	Here's my list.
	I've got a list here.
	Hold on.
	Oh, shit, where is it?
	Okay.
	So we're going to start with looks.
	Pay attention, guys, because this is going to be good.
	All right.
	So let's start with looks.
	And I've written it down.
	It's actually similar.
	It's quite long, so it's similar to you.
	Any race is fine, but I do have a slight preference for white women.
	Slight preference.
	And Asian women.
	Don't get me wrong, they other races, but slight preference.
	Let's see.
	Slight preference.
	You know, I like short women, but I don't really care.
	You know, they could be taller than me.
	They could be an Amazon woman, six foot seven, don't care.
	But if they're also 4'9, that's cool too.
	It's always funny telling a woman who's like 5'2 ⁇ , she's too tall for me.
	Okay.
	I'm a natural body supremacist.
	Obviously, I care about like hygiene and grooming and stuff, but strong preference for no plastic surgery.
	No fake tits, no fake lips, no BBL, no lipo, no, no labia plasty.
	That's a big one.
	I don't know if you guys remember my non-profit organization, Big Labia Matter.
	I'm a spearhead.
	I'm really a spearhead here.
	There's 10,000 labia plasties a year.
	That's 10,000 too many.
	We can't allow women to keep getting their pussy lips chopped off.
	It's not cool, okay?
	V, it's not cool.
	Okay.
	You have to come like I'm doing that.
	So, yeah, for example, okay, when it comes to the plastic surgery thing, I prefer a girl with like A-cups over big, giant, fake titties.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Big titties are cool too, but not if they're fake.
	No fake lips.
	I'd prefer small upper lip over like, you know, the fake.
	Anyone here have lip filler?
	No.
	I don't think so.
	I don't detect it.
	Okay.
	No BBL.
	Give me, I'll take a flat bum over a big giant BBL booty.
	Don't get me wrong, nice butt is good, but I'd prefer no butt over the BBL.
	I'd rather a little belly fat than lipo belly.
	I don't know, give me a little chubby, little chubby belly over lipo belly.
	You know what I mean?
	Have you seen that?
	It looks weird.
	Okay, it looks dehydrated.
	Okay.
	And certainly no labia plasty.
	Can't be.
	We had a girl last show.
	She had a labia plasty.
	She was on the show.
	I'll get into it.
	I'll get it.
	Brian, have you ever french kissed to walrus?
	A walrus, son?
	Huh?
	What is this like?
	Big lips.
	The walrus?
	I don't get it.
	Has big lips.
	Like, are you going down on the big lips?
	Well, here's where I'm going to lose all the women at the table.
	I don't do that.
	Don't do women.
	Wow.
	Yeah, you seem shocked.
	But I don't do that.
	Now, I believe if I want my girl to come before me, I want her to come.
	I like to please women.
	You could use hands.
	You could use toys.
	You can use the penis if it's possible.
	I'll do anything for love, but I won't do.
	Okay, no, that's a new love song.
	Never mind.
	What?
	Why?
	I got neck issues.
	I don't know if you saw me.
	I sing.
	My neck hurts.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I'm a fan.
	I like pussy.
	Big fan of pussy.
	Not grossed out by pussy.
	Apologies.
	I get it.
	Ask people in certain cities like me to sponsor you, and I guarantee you will find the incentives to make it happen as long as Madison accompanies you with the helmet.
	The convos will be great.
	Yo, Madison, so if we, you down to come to Hawaii, if we do a Hawaii show?
	Well, yeah, of course.
	We take care of it.
	Take care of it.
	Okay, all right.
	Where was I?
	Jesus Christ.
	Wait.
	Oh, the labia plasty.
	Yeah.
	Oh, we had a girl on last show.
	She had a labia plasty.
	And she showed me after the show because she does porn.
	She showed me the photos afterwards, before and after.
	It was one of the most deeply depressing things I've ever seen.
	Yeah, it was.
	It was very, it was upsetting.
	Did she say it could hurt?
	Did it hurt?
	Was she under?
	Did she get put under?
	Oh, I'm pretty sure.
	Yeah, she did.
	So, yeah.
	It is unfortunate, though, that women get shamed if they have a large labia.
	You know, it's unfortunate.
	Bringing back to the list.
	Has any woman here been shamed for their labia?
	Anybody?
	Anybody anyone been labia shamed?
	What is that, please?
	It's like the lips of your vagina.
	Pussy lips.
	Wizard slave.
	The wizards.
	I just think it's unfortunate, you know, that the women get shifted.
	And the curtains.
	Beef, beef.
	I've heard very derogatory terms like beef curtains.
	like women, right?
	There's someone else who's bi here.
	Does too.
	Do you have a preference when it comes to the labia?
	No, I don't think so.
	You don't care.
	Any Audi?
	It's all good.
	It's all good.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Innnies are nice too, but.
	Do you have a preference?
	Oh, yeah, the bigger the better.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Innies are great.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I don't discriminate, but I'm a fan.
	I'm a fan of Audis.
	Grid one motorsports donated $100.
	Brian doesn't do that because he is afraid of death by eating a bad clam.
	Respect his boundaries.
	Yeah, please respect my boundaries.
	Rude.
	Can I ask you a question then?
	Go ahead.
	So, how do you feel about a woman refusing to, you know?
	Would you be okay with that?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Would I prefer if she S'd the D?
	Yeah.
	I would prefer if she S D.
	Okay.
	But, now, here's the thing, though.
	If it's like retributive, like, oh, you don't do that.
	So then even though I normally be sucking dick, I'm not going to do it because you don't do it.
	Then it's like a little bit, I kind of get, but like for me, it's not like, but truthfully, I haven't really encountered that.
	Do you have to tell me before you get with them?
	Like, I'd be so disappointed if I like was with you and then we finally got to that stage where we're in dead and then it's like, oh, I'm not going to do that.
	How do you tell them that?
	Here's the thing, right?
	I feel like women just detect it from me.
	They just know.
	They look at me and they're like, he's not a munch.
	He doesn't eat pussy.
	They just know.
	They look, they look at him.
	They're like, God, he's so white.
	There's no way he eats pussy.
	This is a nice boss song ready to happen.
	Is it?
	Right?
	Like, you saw me, right?
	You met me.
	We've been talking at the table.
	You got it.
	You had a hint, a suspicion.
	You were like, I saw you looking at me deep in the eyes.
	Deep in the eyes.
	And you're like, I could tell from how you looked.
	You're like, before I even said anything, I knew that you knew that I don't eat pussy.
	Right?
	I mean, now that I think about it, yeah.
	You had this like sixth sense.
	I feel like women have the sixth sense, right?
	You know, like that motherfucker doesn't eat pussy.
	You know what I mean?
	I didn't even know that was a thing, honestly.
	I thought all guys ate pussy.
	Like, you blow my mind.
	I was just like, what?
	Wait, Jake, Jake, do you eat pussy, Jake?
	It's something that I wouldn't do unless it was a special person.
	Okay.
	I wasn't expecting that.
	But look, I want to make my girl come.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Toys, hands.
	Let's make it.
	I want her to come first, preferably multiple times, if possible.
	See, I feel like that's a really good alternative that you do.
	That's really nice.
	Well, yeah, I mean, it's a charitable guy.
	I'm a nice guy.
	What can I say?
	I'm a nice guy, but you know, it's, uh, well, even if, even if you look at it from, cause there's some guys who like, just don't give a fuck.
	Like they don't really care, but.
	But even if your motivation is purely selfish, one, if you can make the girl come, she's just going to be more immersed in the sex to begin with.
	Or anyways, she's going to get turned on more.
	She's going to be more wet.
	So even if you're purely, and I'm not necessarily saying that for me, but even if your intentions are purely selfish, you're going to have a better time if she comes.
	I think, anyways.
	So, word.
	Okay, so what else?
	No, preferred little, minimal or no makeup.
	No sense or perfumes.
	Let's see.
	Oh, I already mentioned the plastic surgery thing.
	Yep, talked about that.
	Let's see.
	Plastic surgery.
	I do like to build my partner up.
	So if my girlfriend came to me and asked my opinion if she should get plastic surgery, I would do everything in my power to make her feel beautiful as she is and tell her I like her just as she is and steer her away from making what I view is the wrong decision.
	If she's got small boobs, I like her small boobs.
	Like your butt, like your belly, like your face.
	I mean, obviously, look, take care of yourself.
	Don't like, just, you know, whatever.
	But don't get a laby plasty, whatever.
	I said the thing about makeup.
	She has to have good hand and arm endurance.
	Very important.
	Like, so she, no, no, no, not like for weird blacks guys, not for sexual things.
	Like, I like a girl who can like scratch and massage my back for like hours on end.
	That's always good.
	Preferably, she's done at least three years of cello or violin.
	That's cool.
	Let's see.
	I don't know if this counts, but women with nice voices.
	And there's different kinds of voices that can be nice, but I think women with like more soft, pleasant voices, very good.
	Should I say this one?
	Are you reading these?
	Where's all the women who are premature ejaculators?
	That's what I want to know.
	Like, where's the women who like come immediately?
	Any ladies here at the table?
	Our buttons don't work that way.
	No, there are some women who are so insanely orgasmic, and I've only encountered this like three times who literally within 10 seconds, not like from intercourse, come.
	And then they can come 10 seconds later, 10 seconds later.
	Have you had that, Jake?
	Have you had the magical unicorns?
	Yeah, sometimes it takes a while to get the first one, but then I'll go.
	Yes.
	But boom, boom, boom.
	Does it has it coincided with squirting?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	It's rare, though.
	So where's all the ladies who are it's not, it wouldn't even be premature.
	It's not premature.
	It's right on time.
	It's perfectly timed.
	The sooner the better, right?
	Is that could you like, could a girl come too quick?
	I don't think that's possible.
	Sometimes, if it's too often, sometimes it's a bit annoying because it just constantly stops the flow.
	Sometimes they can keep going, though.
	Yeah.
	But it's just some girls.
	Stop.
	All right.
	Stop.
	It's a bit annoying.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	Jeez.
	Okay.
	Personality.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	I'm rambling.
	I know.
	Okay.
	Last feeling.
	Last few.
	Personality.
	Moderate preference for introverted women.
	I like quiet, calm, soft-spoken, slightly endearingly awkward.
	A little bit shy, a little bit nerdy.
	And also, I'd say, once like a shy or introverted person gets comfortable around you, I actually think their personalities tend to really blossom.
	So modesty is huge.
	I don't like big egos, vanity, divas, not a fan.
	Brings me peace, doesn't quarrel, doesn't party, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, doesn't go to bars or clubs because I don't do any of that shit.
	Low body count's good.
	Undivided romantic and sexual attention, the earlier the better.
	So like I want a girl who's like dating other dudes and like I'm one of her various options and she's a fence at her.
	Like I want a girl who's just so immediately, like immediately, she just gives me her undivided romantic and sexual attention, has a praise kink.
	A girl who helps me in my mission, a girl who's attentive, and that's it.
	I don't think I'm that picky, though.
	I think that's pretty.
	All that stuff's pretty.
	Oh, yes, let's do the bow.
	I have a woman who, let's show the bow video.
	Boom!
	Look at the bow.
	Huge.
	Okay, and then there's other stuff.
	I wonder if there's a way to.
	Okay, boom, shirt.
	Okay, you know.
	Yep.
	Look at this.
	This is perfect.
	Look at this.
	The attentive.
	Stir my noodles.
	I don't drink soda.
	Get that out of here.
	Okay, boom.
	Watch.
	Boom.
	Done.
	I can do that.
	I don't need that.
	Wait, wait for it again, though.
	That's good.
	It's good.
	One more time.
	Wait, play it again, Nick.
	We need the bow.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Huge.
	Would you guys be down to bow for a guy?
	Would you be down?
	Would you be down to bow?
	Can I see your bow?
	I would very much like to see your bow.
	Oh, she's.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	We're getting somewhere with you.
	I'll pay for the first date if she does a good bow.
	Okay, okay.
	Is there like a hand?
	Yeah, it's double.
	Well, the hand?
	Do I really want to like cough?
	I think it's a little lower.
	The hands are a little lower.
	Okay.
	Let's see the bow.
	Okay.
	That was good.
	That was good.
	It was a solid bow.
	Does anyone else want to do that?
	Maybe a little bit slower next time.
	I think it could have been a little slower, but.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	Okay, that was good.
	Thank you.
	Kayla, do you want to do a bow?
	Certainly.
	Oh, Kayla's doing the bow?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Look excited that we're home.
	Let's see it.
	There was a bit too much hip.
	You were a man.
	I thought you were a little bit wooden.
	It was good, though.
	It was good.
	I'm impressed by the bow.
	You guys will make your future boyfriend or current boyfriend when he gets back from AI.
	Can you do me a favor?
	Will you, just as an experiment, just like, do you think he's watching this episode, your boyfriend?
	I don't think so.
	I want you, he's probably going to be like, what?
	Is she okay?
	Next time you see him in person, because he's gone, right?
	Just like as soon as he gets through the door, just like bust out a bow.
	Can you do it?
	I can do it.
	Sweet.
	Good, good.
	I think that's it for me.
	Oh, peace is really important.
	You don't want to date somebody who's quarrelsome.
	That's huge.
	Protect your peace at all costs.
	Okay.
	I think that's pretty much it.
	Is there anything else?
	I think we've hit everything, right?
	Right, Kayla?
	Yeah.
	Before we wrap up, does anyone have a final thought?
	Before we wrap up, anything dating-related you'd like to get off your chest before we wrap up?
	Otherwise, we will.
	Drake, if I saw you at a club, I'd approach you.
	Her DMs are open.
	I could get you.
	Never mind.
	Linked.
	With his someone he knew in high school.
	Okay.
	I want to say something.
	A girl can be a provider also, and also she can be a mother, a good mother.
	She can be both together.
	No one said she couldn't.
	She can be both together.
	And the feminist thing I want to say, girls, just come out and do it.
	Like, nothing going to happen by sitting in the house.
	You have to stand up for yourself.
	So just instead of yelling like feminist, feminism, we want this, just come out, get educated, get the job, do whatever you want to do.
	I mean, no one said that they couldn't be a provider.
	My mom was a provider and also like a...
	Why are you taking this up personally?
	I'm not taking it personally.
	I decided to thought.
	Like, it's a conversation in a podcast.
	You're gonna say something, then I'm gonna say something, then you're gonna say something.
	By the way, I do want to say, you know, Jake here, the reality is, this entire show, Jake's been playing devil's advocate.
	He's actually a bleeding heart liberal, and he's just a plant here to trigger all of you.
	He's hardcore liberal, very liberal guy.
	So please don't be offended by all the toxic masculinity he's displayed and the misogyny that he's because he's really deep down.
	He's super liberal guy.
	It was a prank.
	It was just a prank, bro.
	Ta-da.
	Was the wedding ring real?
	Was that still a real thing?
	What's that?
	Was the wedding ring thing a real thing?
	That was legit.
	Her not really quasi-boyfriend.
	Did they call you and ask you to do that?
	Yeah, he said he said that shit.
	Are you still in the chat?
	Send the chat.
	Did he really?
	I thought he just made it up.
	I was going to say, is that real?
	I don't know.
	Wait, you're actually a liberal?
	Yeah.
	You guys fell for it all.
	I'm like, I'm a raging feminist.
	Holy.
	No, he's not.
	You're a lot.
	No, you're a furious.
	I did three years of acting school and now it's panning off.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	But so, like.
	You didn't believe it?
	Do you feel better now knowing that?
	I don't know if I'm getting duped right now.
	I don't know what's real.
	Like, what's real right now?
	No.
	You're like, you're actually a feminist?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	I thought.
	Girl power.
	We have, I beat my Wi-Fi.
	Whoa.
	Question for the ladies.
	Do you consider yourself a wife material?
	Yes.
	Kayla.
	Yes.
	Her bow was good.
	I think she might, that checks out.
	What about you?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I think they're all watching it today.
	They're all beautiful and wonderful.
	I think I'd be wife material.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Where's my billionaire princess?
	No.
	But I can play piano at a two-week skill level.
	Not cello.
	Not cello.
	No.
	Unfortunately not.
	I think there's one more thing Jake really wanted to go in on.
	If you guys are cool, going for another five or ten minutes.
	Okay.
	He wants to revert to his devil's advocate position.
	So now we have now, though.
	Shit, fuck, my bad.
	A couple of you said you were, you know, big feminists, right?
	So those of you who, do you think, those of you who consider yourself feminists, do you guys think that women are oppressed in modern day here in the U.S.?
	Starting with Kayla going around.
	I didn't say I was feminist.
	Oh, okay.
	Let me get back to you.
	Let me think.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Can you please repeat the question?
	Do you think women are oppressed in the United States?
	Oppressed.
	I would have to begin with the word, actually.
	Oppression.
	Here, I'll Google it.
	Sorry about my Googling.
	It's okay.
	I would say in certain parts of the United States, we're talking about the U.S. as a country.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	In certain parts of the United States, yes, in certain parts, no.
	And I think in a lot of countries, yes.
	Okay.
	Katie, K-Dog, what about you?
	What does it mean?
	Huzzah, what?
	What does it mean?
	Oh, oppression, prolonged, cruel, or unjust treatment or control, the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.
	A little bit.
	I mean, it's from banishing witches to still going on, yeah, I guess.
	Hold on, let me ask a different question.
	Okay.
	Is there a patriarchy?
	Is there a patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	In the United States.
	Yes.
	Going around, everybody.
	Look at our government.
	The government?
	Kamala Harris.
	Wait, okay.
	Kayla, going around the table like this.
	Do we live in the patriarchy?
	Scoot the mic closer.
	There you go.
	Good.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Kayla.
	Do we live in a patriarchy?
	And then I have a follow-up question for you.
	What are your thoughts on collateralized debt obligations?
	Jeez.
	Collateral debt.
	What's your thesis on collateralized debt obligations?
	Does that mean you're in debt?
	And it's collateral because I've never heard that.
	I don't know.
	Does anybody know?
	Can you use it in a sentence, please?
	Can someone tell me what that is?
	Because now I'm curious.
	Sorry, you just have to be in the no on that side.
	Really?
	Awesome.
	Don't look it up.
	I wish I was.
	I don't know what that is.
	Okay, so this is, okay, do you think we, I'm derailing.
	Do you think we live in the patriarchy?
	Yes or no?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I said yes.
	I said yes.
	I think yes.
	I'm kind of confused in the middle, honestly.
	Okay.
	Under patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	Kayla?
	I haven't felt it personally.
	I completely felt like freedom of speech and everything I say is pretty much heard.
	I haven't signed up for a very dangerous job where I would, obviously if I did, I'd get paid what the men were, I'd feel like.
	No, I don't feel oppressed.
	Okay.
	Not all women, but many, yes.
	Yes, our energy is oppressed.
	Divine feminine energy is oppressed.
	Not all women, but some women, yes.
	Especially in the patriarchy, in male-dominated industries.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	I think the majority of women are not.
	Wait, I'm so sorry.
	I wasn't trying to thought.
	What was the question?
	Are women oppressed?
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah.
	I don't believe.
	Okay.
	So, well, if women are oppressed, how?
	And all of you here are women.
	How are you oppressed?
	I think just me by the topic.
	I just feel oppressed by the topic.
	The topic is.
	I'm knowing where I'm supposed to stand in the middle of it.
	Hasn't hit me too personally.
	Okay.
	That made sense.
	So you feel like the topic itself, you don't know whether you want to be on either side.
	The topic makes me feel oppressed.
	You are being oppressed right now by the whatever podcast.
	No, like the societal conversation.
	Yeah, like faith with women are oppressed.
	Okay, I see.
	What about you?
	Luckily, I personally do not feel oppressed, but I also feel like I'm really good at going after what I want and putting myself out there.
	Okay.
	I need the definition again.
	I'm getting between the oppressed and repressed.
	Prolonged, cruel, or unjust treatment or control, the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.
	Yeah, like you're right in the same way.
	It's like more subtle, but yes.
	I mean, I don't think right out they're taking away our rights.
	I think it's more in things that are like birth control and stuff like that that is controlling us in other ways that is repressing our pussy powers.
	Are you in favor of birth control or against birth control?
	I'm not saying I'm either.
	I'm just saying that it has effects on the women's body that oppresses our natural integrity.
	What about you?
	Personally, I feel very lucky to be in California if we're talking about like Roe v. Wade.
	Like some women don't have the option for abortion.
	Also, being born in America, my mom is an immigrant mother from Iran.
	She grew up here there until she was 25 and immigrated here.
	Like the level of oppression over there for women is absolutely insane.
	They couldn't even show their hair down for many years of my mother's life.
	Like personally, I feel no oppression and I'm so thankful for it, but oppression does exist.
	Sure.
	I agree 100% with what Lily said.
	Yeah, I don't personally feel oppressed, but I do think in the world there's still a lot of.
	Yeah, and I'm talking more like the United States or Western countries.
	I don't know if you live in California since I'm living here.
	Do people?
	Okay.
	I think California does play a big part in me not feeling oppressed.
	Like if I grew up in a state in a different state, for example, Roe v. Wade was more proactive and was more effective.
	Like I would personally feel oppressed by not having the option to get an abortion.
	Do you feel like California is a well-run state?
	Absolutely.
	I feel like Gavin Newsome is doing a good job.
	I don't really want to get into politics.
	That's a whole different view.
	That's a whole yeah.
	That's a whole different.
	Yeah, we would talk about this for hours, but I have opinions.
	We can always do round two on that if you guys are down to come back sometime.
	Okay, one really thing related to her thing.
	You mentioned birth control.
	Just curious, who here is on birth control?
	Just you?
	No, no, okay.
	Not currently.
	Ever been on birth control?
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Okay, so going back to the patriarchy thing, what is the patriarchy?
	I'm confused.
	I don't know what that is.
	What is it?
	I feel like it's just more like a male-dominated industry, and it's the suppression of women and putting male on top.
	That's it's like kind of this emphasis that a man can do a better job than a woman can and is doing a better job.
	That's my personal definition of patriarchy, and it might not be the actual definition, but that's how I view it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree with her.
	I want to add to that.
	I feel like men are more respected immediately than women, and we almost have to earn that respect when men are almost given it.
	And yeah, it's just they're seen as superior in this world, basically.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you guys a question?
	Sure.
	And sorry to drag this on, but do you guys think that the male race is superior to the women race?
	Just a question.
	There's no judgment in it.
	Because I've had conversations with men about this before, so I just want to know your opinion.
	Depends what you're talking about.
	I don't think so.
	Are you talking about superior in certain ways, or are you talking about superior in value?
	I'm talking about overall.
	Like if you had to combine all the overarching values in general, would you say, is there a superior race?
	Is there an equal or is there one?
	You mean gender?
	I mean, generalized.
	Oh, women.
	Men and women are.
	Or not race.
	I mean super, yes.
	Obviously, we're different, but we're equal in value, though.
	Our lives are valued at the same time.
	Equal in value, but we both have valuable roles.
	I think we're different.
	Yeah.
	But we're very different.
	I don't think there's a supremacy.
	Like, I don't think there's a man who's superior.
	I just think we're different.
	I think it's kind of silly when someone says it because we need each other just as much.
	Like, I need a woman just as much as a woman needs a man.
	If you want to do what you're here to do, which is to procreate, you need each other.
	And there's an auditor to the world that we both have roles in.
	We're superior at different things, though, but you guys are also superior at different things.
	Yeah, I definitely think there's women that are in various ways.
	Women are superior to men in certain things, and perhaps men are superior to women in other things in other realms.
	I would like to flip the question back to you, though.
	Do you think that women are superior to men?
	No.
	Ladies?
	It's okay if you do.
	Not really, but it's okay if you do, I guess.
	It's okay if you say that.
	I think I used to, but not anymore.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What do you love about men, can I ask?
	And just specifically about men.
	Do you like men?
	I'm actually interested to know this topic.
	How would you answer about it?
	Go for it.
	They don't have to say they don't do it, but they know that they are responsible.
	They have, like, they have, they don't have to, like, I don't know how to explain it.
	They know what to do.
	But for a girl, like, someone has to bring up in their head that they are responsible.
	That comes in.
	So you're saying men are better at making serious decisions?
	Yeah, I would say, for sure.
	They are more responsible.
	Like, I would say that.
	That's inbuilt in them, I would say, kind of thing.
	That's kind of attractive, and let's make them man for me.
	What do you think?
	That's a hard one.
	What do you love about men?
	I guess...
	I don't know.
	Next one.
	What do you think?
	What do you love about men?
	I think for the good men that they are natural protectors.
	Yeah.
	I like how passionate they are.
	They have a lot of hobbies.
	You know, they like a lot of things.
	Sports, cars, guns.
	Even though I don't identify with those passions, I think a lot of guys have a lot of passion for a lot of things.
	And it's pretty cool to see that.
	Caretake and I forgot what the other one was.
	I think men are really blunt.
	It's a good time.
	They don't have as much of a facade on a lot of the time.
	So it's just like you can, yeah, have a good time with them.
	Lighthearted.
	I like the way that a man can make me feel.
	Like, one, I always feel like safe.
	I have like less worries, not really like paying attention to like the small stuff that I would if I was by myself.
	And I don't know, some guys are just really nice and they don't play dumb, and I just feel like they're more like genuine and raw with like their actions.
	And yes, some girls too.
	But the guys I've met have been very lucky.
	Very cool.
	I have one last question and then we will wrap up here.
	Unless you guys want to keep going, we can.
	No.
	It looks like you can't sit or sit down.
	Oh, it's been sitting for too long.
	My back's hurting.
	Okay.
	So hungry.
	Do you need men?
	Does society need men?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like remove reproduction from it.
	Does society, do you think we need men?
	Things will get done faster and easier.
	Like you get a group of men versus a group of women to do something like build, protect, fight, create.
	Yeah, I definitely think society needs men.
	I think, I don't think that every woman needs a man as a caretaker in her life.
	Not every woman, but I do think society 100% needs men.
	Men need women because I think, and like, you're a Christian, didn't like women come from man or was it the other way around?
	Women was created from the rib of Adam.
	So we have a female.
	She was created actually as a helping profile.
	In my opinion, men are from Mars and women are from Venus, and we're both here on this earth for a reason.
	That was beautiful.
	Thank you.
	What she said.
	It's a great book, too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, we're going to wrap up.
	Really, last chance.
	Anyone final closing statement from anybody before I wrap up here?
	Three, two, one.
	No, I didn't want to add something.
	Okay, last thing.
	This is like an old conversation, but yeah, I think that men, even though they may be providing and the woman may be at home, I still think it's their responsibility to raise the child and be involved.
	There still has to be emotional support from the father.
	There should be engagement as well.
	It's not just all on the mother.
	Do you want a response from that?
	Was that directed at what we were talking about before?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I think there's a mischaracterization from both of you.
	That's that when you what I say Memzero Rifong donated $100.
	The patriarchy favors women and protects them.
	The patriarchy must remain strong and true.
	It is in fact a double-edged sword for men.
	Power in exchange for plenty disadvantages.
	We need each other.
	Yeah.
	So like I was saying, you said before that you didn't want a response when you said it, that you think that women should be providers and mothers.
	I think that it's doable.
	Yeah, women can be providers as well.
	You can be.
	That's fine.
	And what was your statement again?
	That the men need to be there for the children?
	Yeah, so no one ever said that women can't be providers and that men shouldn't be there for their children.
	But I'm just talking about, I was talking about in my ideal standards.
	It'll be the man who's the provider and the mother would take the primary role with the children.
	What you want to say is like taking care of a kid is supposed to be equal as long that's what she's trying to say.
	Are you saying like 50-50 in terms of they should spend the same amount of time with the child when it's young?
	Not the same amount of time, but they should definitely spend time with the child.
	Just because they work doesn't mean they don't go to the children's children.
	Equal or not equal.
	There should be responsibility on their side.
	So I'm not saying equal or not equal.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Equal.
	So you think it should be 50-50.
	The man should take care of the child just as much as the mother and should spend just as much time.
	Do you think that the child needs the mother more in that time or the father more?
	I think they may need the mother more, but that doesn't mean they don't need the father as well.
	I didn't say that they don't need the father as well.
	So do they need the mother more in that time when they're young, when they're breastfeeding?
	Yeah, we could say they need the mother more.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	That the mother should probably take that primary role, but I'm not saying that men shouldn't have a role.
	But I'd say that the primary role of a man would be to provide for the family, to go to work, do the hours that you need to do, and make sure that the mother doesn't have anything to worry about financially.
	And that she's got a roof over her head.
	She's got things all sorted.
	The dad's role is to make sure everything's sorted so that she can do her best role to raise the kids.
	That's what I think.
	But I don't think that she shouldn't have any involvement.
	Okay, okay.
	And also, I don't think that the mother can't work.
	She can work if she really desires to.
	Oh, sure, she can.
	Your opinions on that will probably change when you have kids, but yeah.
	We'll see.
	Okay, last hot take here.
	If this is for the feminists, then I'm going to wrap up the show.
	Directed towards the feminists.
	Related to our patriarchy and feminism and the oppression talk.
	Hot take.
	Men have been more oppressed than women.
	Agree or disagree?
	In some sense, agree.
	In some sense, disagree.
	In totality.
	Are we talking about in history as well?
	All throughout history?
	Historically.
	And currently.
	Ooh.
	No.
	Disagree?
	Historically, definitely not.
	Definitely not, okay.
	Anybody?
	V?
	Agree?
	I totally agree.
	I'm still analyzing what's happening.
	Okay, what about you?
	Thoughts?
	You're a feminist?
	Disagree.
	Into the mic if you can.
	I disagree.
	Disagree?
	Say, wait, men have been more oppressed than women?
	Men have been more oppressed than women, both historically and in current time, modern time.
	I think I disagree.
	Disagree, Katie?
	I disagree historically, but I definitely see it becoming an issue currently.
	Currently, okay.
	Yeah.
	Grid one motorsports donated $100.
	Women care of infants and the household.
	Men raised children and mold children into grown men and women.
	All studies point to children raised by men do better than children raised by mothers alone.
	Yo, Grid.
	Did you hear what she said?
	She said this guy has too much money.
	If you ever feel like you want to share money, I'll drop my memo in the box.
	Oh, snap.
	So thank you, Gridwin Motorsports.
	Appreciate it.
	What was your answer to my thing?
	I agree with Katie.
	Kayla, your thoughts?
	I feel like historically they had harsher duties and less freedom.
	They just kind of were given like hard things to do.
	One of them being protecting women, which is harder to do back then because we were taken advantage of.
	I don't know about now.
	I really haven't heard a man like complain about much.
	Might also do a little tough.
	So, I mean, I could approach the argument from very quite a few ways.
	I won't linger too long on this, a few minutes, then I promise we'll wrap up.
	So, again, there's a lot of different ways that I can make this argument, but I'll just use what I consider to be my ultimate one.
	So, and this is for both modern day and throughout human history.
	So, if we look at gender-specific grievances and oppression, if I were to look at the worst one, the worst women-specific, woman-specific gender grievance and compare it to the worst male-specific gender grievance, just comparatively, and I'll name it in a sec.
	I think the male one is orders of magnitude worse than the female one.
	Now, if I were to even collectively take all of women's collective grievances and compare it to this one grievance that men have experienced throughout all of human history, I would argue that that sole grievance that men have nearly exclusively experienced outweighs in orders of magnitude more than all of women's collective grievances.
	And that is warfare.
	Now, you have forced military conscription, which adds even another layer.
	So, not only was there just soldiers who volunteered to be soldiers, but you also had men who did not want to go to war, who were forced into war, and who came back either maimed, injured, severe, severe mental injury, or just outright dead.
	So, that soul male-specific grievance, I believe, outweighs all of women's collective grievances.
	Let's look at World War I, let's look at World War II.
	World War I, casualties were tens of millions.
	World War II, casualties of war, tens of millions.
	These casualties, injuries, and deaths, were almost exclusively inflicted upon men, the vast majority of which were not volunteer soldiers.
	They were conscripted into the army.
	You know, the suffering that men, not just the death, not just the injury, but the actual suffering that men have experienced in the midst of warfare.
	Take example, trench warfare, trench foot, chemical weapons, these men lose their hearing tinnitus from the constant barrage of shells.
	It occurs to me that that is a far greater level of suffering than has been experienced by women.
	Including losing your child and the word that I'm not allowed to say on here.
	I'd like to counter with sex trafficking, the warfare of sex trafficking.
	So, okay, well, let me ask you a question.
	We'll have to use, yeah, we'll do SA.
	Would you rather be murdered or essayed?
	Murdered, murdered.
	Murdered.
	Murdered.
	Okay.
	I mean.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	Would you rather be murdered or lose your child?
	I enjoy what?
	Would you rather, like, do you yourself die?
	I would rather be.
	I was a man's child, though.
	It's a man's child as well.
	I'm on your point of saying that the mother's sole purpose is to be a mother and a nurturer, and so we are that much more connected with that child.
	So we are going to grieve the loss of the child that we are that much more connected to than a man.
	I think it's probably fair to say that a mother would maybe grieve just as much, but also it's a man's child.
	So just to be clear, so your argument is that let's just say throughout all of human history, the sex trafficking that has occurred to women is worse than the tens of millions or hundreds of millions of primarily male deaths that have occurred throughout all of human history.
	Yes, because of patriarchy.
	Because of the war is part of that.
	The war is part of patriarchy.
	Sexual assault is not part of patriarchy.
	How many men do you think decide?
	How many men do you think decide if we go to war or not?
	How many women get decided if they're going to be essayed or not?
	I'm not sure I'm following the logic.
	None of the women that get sexually assaulted.
	I'm not following the logic on that at all.
	Does anyone else follow that logic?
	No, but your argument was when I said, here's all the men that suffer because of warfare, you said, well, who is inflicting that upon men?
	And so your argument is, but other men, which to some degree is victim blaming.
	I don't think that.
	I think you totally just twisted my words.
	I don't think that's like at all.
	But okay, if, say, 100 men send 20 million men to war, so that those hundred men happen to have a penis, that doesn't diminish the fact that all those men that went to war were to some degree engaged or that they were in the midst of suffering, perhaps they were forced to war.
	I think what she's trying to say is that the patriarchy is run by men and that patriarchy is what sent these men to war.
	And then I think her argument is that like these women that are sold into sex trafficking, these women around the world that are forced into marriage at 13, 14 years old, like which I think is horrible.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I think SA and any sort of trafficking is a terrible thing.
	But if we're having an intellectual conversation about quantifiably what is a larger, a bigger suffering, I mean, you're going to tell me that tens of millions of men, maybe it's hundreds of millions of men who have died in warfare is comparable to we don't, I don't know what the numbers are, but it's less than how many men have been to war and who have been casualties of war.
	I don't think.
	Wait, and I do want to address, somebody made the point of, well, it's men sending other men to war.
	Actually, if you look at queens, you look at monarchies, they did studies and they actually found that queens were just as likely or more likely to go to war than kings.
	So this whole trope of, well, it's men sending men to war, actually queens were just as prepared to send men to war.
	So the whole argument of, well, it's men doing it to other men kind of falls flat in that regard.
	I'm sure if there's a, I am pretty sure if women occupied all positions of government in every single country, I'm pretty sure they're still going to be sending men to war.
	You don't think so?
	Actually, in other countries, they send both men and women.
	Like where?
	Like in Israel?
	Okay, that's one singular country.
	There's other countries that are.
	What percentage of countries, what percentage of countries have only male conscription?
	I don't have that number.
	I think you'd also look at the casualties in Israel as well, and you'd see that the vast majority of them were men who were going onto the front lines and women are doing other roles.
	That goes on to my other point, that I don't know if the comparison of oppression could be quantifiable by the amount of deaths, just because if we look at historically, the oppression for women starts a lot earlier on.
	Historically, like women weren't taught to read.
	Girls weren't allowed to go to school.
	Most people weren't.
	The vast majority of the world was illiterate.
	Right.
	And then upwards of 90% of people were working agriculture.
	They started going to school.
	Like most peasants, regardless, most peasants, regardless of your gender, were like extremely poor, did not get an education.
	In the wealthy, the only kids that they sent to school were the sons.
	Could there be a biological basis for that?
	But you're talking about...
	Okay, if there's a societal expectation that women are going to get pregnant and they have to have kids and that would take them out of the workforce and your family only has the funds to send one of the son or the daughter.
	This is before birth control.
	This is before sanitation.
	This is before women had access to like even tampon.
	So I think the world looked like totally different.
	And if you had limited resources, and granted, I'm in favor of the current social order where women are allowed to go into the workforce.
	I'm in favor of it.
	However, in the previous social order, if you only had the resources to send one of your children into the workforce, keep in mind, let me just add one thing.
	Also, medicine was dog shit.
	If you're a woman and you gave birth, what is it, the maternal, your chance of dying during giving birth was much higher back then than it was now.
	And if the expectation on women was to go and have children and have kids, wouldn't it make sense to invest those resources into someone who didn't have, which we fix now, we have modern medicine in hospitals.
	Wouldn't it make sense to invest those resources and that education into a man who doesn't have the risk of death because of pregnancy?
	Economical factors might still be a thing, but at the end of the day, that's oppression.
	Not allowing women to go to school is the definition of oppression.
	Whether there are these economic factors, whether there's an expectation that there's such a high-level probability that a woman would die at childbirth, these things might contribute to the way society was run.
	Of course, there are reasons for this oppression.
	It didn't come out of nowhere.
	Economic factors were a cause, everything that you stated.
	That's not incorrect, but that does contribute to this history of oppression.
	So because now you mentioned education and women who didn't have access to education, that was oppression.
	Are men currently oppressed because less men go to university?
	If the differential is 60% of degrees are being awarded to women versus 40% of men, is that evidence of sexism and men being oppressed?
	I think that would require a lot more research.
	Maybe research has been done on the deciding factors of why those students were admitted and why those percentages.
	Because equality doesn't necessarily mean that we would see 50-50 numbers.
	I'm not sure if a university is looking at two identical applications and they choose to choose a female over a male.
	It's affirmative action.
	And this happens throughout the workforce as well.
	People want to hire women over men.
	They always get preferential treatment.
	They're undoubtedly looked at more favorably in applications.
	Would you disagree?
	I mean, if those are the facts, I haven't seen research studies on that.
	Well, okay, so let me bring it back to warfare here really quick.
	So currently in the United States and almost all countries in the world, only men are subject to military conscription.
	You might say, well, it's been a while since we have had a draft.
	Well, if you look at the Vietnam War, there are men that would be alive today.
	They could have been in this room right now.
	Granted, they would be in, I don't know what, in their 70s, 80s or something.
	Rather old, but they would still be alive today had it not been for this very gendered issue of military conscription, which is something that's only inflicted upon men.
	And there are men who are alive today who have who are, I'm trying to think, who are paraplegics, who have deformities, who have bad PTSD, like mental scars that you couldn't imagine, saw horrific things, various injuries that are alive today, that are suffering.
	A lot of homeless people, who 80% happen to be men, a lot of homeless people are veterans.
	So, I mean, you know, this is something that, and to this day, I mean, when it comes to warfare, all men in this country have to register for the selective service, something women don't have to do.
	And so to me, when it comes to feminism, it occurs to me that feminism will only secure if equality.
	Feminism will only secure equality if said equality stands to benefit women.
	So feminism to me is not an equality movement because if said equality could somehow conceivably come to the detriment of women, feminists will not fight tooth and nail for it.
	For example, draft equalization.
	Well, women should be able to get drafted.
	That would be equality, wouldn't it?
	But feminists are not fighting for that equality.
	You only fight for the equality that benefits you.
	And that's why feminism is not a true egalitarian or equality movement.
	Well, I think based on the argument I'm making about sex trafficking, my feminist views are based on bodily autonomy.
	I think I have to argue for my bodily autonomy first before I can start advocating for other things that I need outside of what's going on right here.
	If I can't even control what's going on right here within my own body, how do you expect me to fight for something beyond that?
	Right.
	And well, the bodily autonomy argument is perfectly applied to the forced military conscription argument.
	And I would ask, actually add another layer to it.
	First off, abortion is not outright banned.
	I'm assuming you're talking about abortion, correct?
	Well, I was going to talk about consent and sex or anything like that.
	That's not something that's that's, I mean, I'm thinking of something that's legislated by the government.
	Yeah, we can talk about abortion.
	But depending on your state, you can, as a woman, you can still get an abortion in this country.
	There are certain states where Roe v. Wade pushed it back down to the states.
	But I mean, I think men have a far greater bodily autonomy argument to be made when it comes, again, to forced military conscription.
	Every single male in this country, by law, is required to register for the selective service, and every male in this country, depending on their age, is potentially subject to being forced to go and fight and to go and die.
	And no offense to you, but I would argue that's a bigger, bigger bodily autonomy concern than abortion.
	Are you with or against military, or do you have an opinion on that, State?
	Well, here's the thing: you cannot.
	I don't think you can get rid of the draft.
	So I'm not in, I think we should equalize the draft.
	I think women should be subject to military conscription because there's just lessening the war, though.
	What's that?
	Well, about lessening the need for war, like instead of being as like, oh, let's have equal, like, do where we stand on.
	I mean, well, we can't.
	War is bad.
	War is bad.
	But, like, if you can never get rid of the draft because there's conceivably some scenario where you would need a draft.
	So it's never going to go away.
	I don't care.
	We should just remove this concept that we can never abolish the draft.
	What feminists need to start doing is fighting for women to be subject to military conscription.
	To add on to that, you might think, well, there's not going to be a draft, blah, blah, blah.
	If men don't register for selective service, it's a felony.
	They face a $250,000 fine.
	If you don't register, you could face certain penalties, like you won't be eligible for certain federal benefits.
	You can't get certain federal jobs.
	You can't get student loans.
	There's a few others that aren't coming to me immediately.
	But again, if we're going to have a bodily autonomy discussion, we absolutely need to consider the lack of men's bodily autonomy.
	And every single one, we're in California.
	Women have bodily autonomy in California.
	I don't know how many 18-year-old men there are.
	Well, you guys go to UCSB.
	There's about 20,000 students at UCSB.
	10,000 of those are probably around your age cohort, so from 18 to 21.
	They've all had to register for the selective service if they want to vote.
	That's another thing I forgot.
	So that's certainly a lot of men locally who you know who don't really have bodily autonomy.
	But I don't see feminists really fighting for any equalization of that.
	I feel like feminists are fighting for equal rights and focusing on getting females to where men are.
	And so one day, maybe in the future, but we have to get there.
	That's like far in the future.
	I see where you're coming from.
	Your point is 100% valid.
	But I think there's just issues that we're working on right now.
	And maybe one day in the future, once we've achieved these issues, then this bigger issue can be talked about.
	You think in the future women or feminists are going to start advocating, like they'll be in the streets with pussy hats saying, we want to get drafted too.
	We want to get shell-shot.
	Well, you guys are.
	We want to get trenched from.
	You guys are bringing up two contradictory opinions when you say you want women to stay at home and nurture and raise the kids.
	Well, prior to this debate, not right now.
	I'm talking about earlier in this conversation.
	You guys had such strong ideals about how a woman needs to be the nurturer for the child.
	I didn't say that.
	I just said that.
	I just said I don't think a woman's career makes her more physically, like makes her more attractive as a potential.
	I didn't say that they have to.
	No, but I said that's my preference.
	Exactly.
	If they stay at home, If that is my preference, and if they do take that role upon themselves, then I would be willing to go to war for the moment.
	And think about historically, talking about World War I, that's 1918.
	Back in that day, people were having kids at 18, 19, 20.
	Okay, these women, many men had the same exact values like you did.
	So it made sense for the men to be drafted.
	Exactly.
	There's a lot of guys like you.
	They think about this.
	It makes sense for the guys to go out in war if a man has this opinion that the woman should stay at home, nurture the kid, raise the kid, you know?
	So that way he has something to come home to when he's back.
	But then again, like I'm saying that I'd be happy to do that and to take that to have that gender inequality if that was the case and if my wife was staying at home.
	But you guys are saying that you don't want to play your role in the gender equality spectrum if we're talking about traditional gender roles, but you want us to play our role.
	Well, now we're talking about warfare.
	If it's warfare, it's a different story because I think my opinion on the matter would change based on circumstance, personally, for me.
	What do you mean, what circumstance?
	For example, if there was a war going on and was being drafted, and let's say I had a husband, right, and I had a child, someone would need to stay at home, whether it's me or my husband, we have to make the decision.
	Who's staying at home and going to take care of the child?
	Exactly.
	In terms of warfare, I would revert back to my traditional.
	I am 100%.
	So, okay, so you're a feminist.
	You're a feminist in peacetime.
	Yes, that's fine.
	No, this conversation has come full circle.
	Yeah.
	There's no feminists.
	Let's just go home.
	We're going to wrap.
	We're going to wrap soon.
	But there's home.
	There's no.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Stop.
	There's no feminists when China invades.
	There's no feminist when Russia invades.
	There's no...
	Have you seen that meme where someone's like a lady cleaning the dishes and it says like feminist during wartime?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Or not traditional women during wartime.
	Yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	There was something on that.
	Oh, wait.
	No.
	No, I'm almost done.
	I swear.
	I swear, I started to say that.
	You said that for the past 30 years.
	I swear, hold on.
	No, you said we'd end that town.
	Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait.
	Last thing, last thing, last two things.
	Wait, fuck, what was it?
	It was about.
	Oh, okay, okay, sure.
	So, you mentioned World War II, you mentioned 1918, so in 1920...
	World War I was 1918.
	World War II was like 1940.
	Okay, World War I was 1914 to 1918.
	World War II was, I believe, 1939 to 1945.
	So in 1920, women got the right to vote.
	Now, and keep in mind, for the vast majority of human history, the vast majority of men didn't have the right to vote.
	It was a very small period, very small period of human history.
	I think about 100 years, maybe, maybe less than that, where more men, a gradual increase of more men having the right to vote than women.
	One of the primary reason why that was is we were getting involved in these very like almost global wars, a lot of wars.
	So men were had forced military conscription.
	The way that men got the right to vote before women is because men were subject to military conscription while women were not, which in my view is a privilege.
	It's a female privilege to not be subject to go be forced onto a battlefield and go, again, go get trench foot, go get chemical gassed, go get a shell through your fucking skull.
	I think it's a privilege that women got to stay home.
	Let me ask you a question.
	In 19, let's say you're, it's 1914.
	You're an 18-year-old.
	You're in Germany or France.
	Would you prefer to be an 18-year-old man or an 18-year-old woman in France or in Germany in 1914?
	I think a man, actually.
	You'd prefer to be a man?
	I think that a lot of guys had, they felt honored to fight for their country.
	I think that pride is.
	We liked it.
	Like, yeah, it was propaganda.
	It's absolute propaganda.
	Okay, were you an 18-year-old?
	Can you relate to that?
	Were you under the influence of propaganda?
	How do you know?
	Do you know how brutal World War I was?
	World War I was the most, up until that point, was, and you could actually argue in some ways, World War I was more brutal than World War II.
	Oh, no, I know, I know.
	Trench warfare, you know, these men were on the front lines for months.
	Germany breaks.
	I know.
	They didn't sleep for months.
	I know.
	Roaring shells passed you.
	Half of your friends all dead.
	You have trench foot.
	Your foot is literally black.
	You've been chemical gassed.
	You have chemical burns all over your body.
	Your ears are ringing because you've been bombarded with shells for months on end.
	You've lost your hearing.
	You haven't slept.
	Yeah, World War I was pretty bad.
	And this whole trope of military glory, that's what the propagandist wants.
	That's what the pate.
	I don't know if patriots are the right word.
	That's what the propaganda wants to teach men.
	The reality is warfare is brutal in ways you cannot imagine.
	There is no glory in war.
	It will break men.
	And the horrors of war cannot be.
	The horrors of war just cannot be what's the word I'm looking for?
	You can't say it in words.
	I'm scared.
	If anybody wants to see what's going on in Ukraine at the moment, I'll send you some telegram.
	They tell men that there's glory in war, but the reality is when you're freezing cold in the trenches in Amiens or in the Ardennes or the Argonne Forest in France, and you've been fighting Germans for fucking nine months and you've got chemical burns from the chemical gas, you've got trench foot, you haven't seen three-fourths of your military comrades killed in action.
	You've got ringing tinnitus.
	I'm sorry, but like, yes, that is.
	I feel personally oppressed right now.
	Can we please go home?
	We're not going to talk because we are so excited.
	I'm impressed.
	You did a great job.
	Claps to the patriarchy.
	Last thing on bodily autonomy.
	I swear, I swear, I swear.
	Hold on, I swear, I say.
	I promise, I promise.
	I promise.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Last thing, last thing, last thing.
	Modern day, modern day.
	Last thing, last thing.
	Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Last thing.
	Okay.
	Upon birth.
	Upon birth.
	Oh, my God.
	We're done.
	It's literally going to take me 30 seconds.
	Upon birth.
	Literally, 30 seconds.
	Trust me.
	When it comes to bodily autonomy, every single, every single, not, I shouldn't say every single, most men in this country are circumcised upon birth.
	Let's talk about bodily autonomy.
	They don't have the choice.
	That should be something that they should be able to consent to.
	They don't have consent.
	They're infants.
	They have their genitals mutilated.
	I know you're laughing.
	I'm sure it's funny to you that all these boys in this country and various other countries have their genitals mutilated without their consent on birth.
	But let's have a conversation about bodily autonomy.
	Those are two ways that men don't have bodily autonomy.
	I'll leave it at that.
	I don't think you want to respond.
	I'm going to wrap up the show.
	All right, guys.
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