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April 26, 2023 - Whatever Podcast
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Dating Talk #69

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Cast episode 69, by the way.
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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Kiko.
I'm 23.
I go to UCSB and I also bartend.
I'm Allie, better known for Al Wheezy.
I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad bitch.
You're, huh?
A certified baddie.
Talking to the mic.
Yeah, talking to the mic, just so they can hear you.
Say your occupation one more time for me.
Just so they can.
My occupation is a certified bad bitch.
What was your age?
What was your age again?
Very much baddie vibes.
I'm 23 years old.
Okay.
And Kiko, 23, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
23, 23.
And certified bad bitch or boss very much baddy vibes.
Full-time baddie.
No break.
Very much full-time.
What does that mean?
Can you explain that?
It's just a lifestyle.
I mean, if you get it, you get it.
The rules are there.
I feel like every girl can, every woman can be a certified baddie.
It's just the mindset, and it's a full-time job.
But if there was a dictionary and you were hired by Websters to define certified bad bitch, is that what it is?
Yes.
What would be the dictionary definition of a certified bad bitch?
I would have to say, I mean, if just like toning it down completely, just a woman who's confident in herself, does whatever she wants for herself, nobody else, just woman, whatever, men, whatever.
Anybody can be a certified bad bitch.
I think it's just the level of confidence and it's the mindset for sure.
Is that the occupation you list on your taxes?
Oh, for sure.
Nice.
Very much that.
Very much the vibes.
Okay, good times.
What about you?
My name's also Allie.
I'm 19 and I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College.
Are you also a certified bad bitch?
I try to be.
Yeah.
My name is Madison.
I'm 18.
I'm a student at SBCC and I'm studying econ and accounting.
I'm Billy Ray.
I'm 25 and I make men's dating advice content.
My name is Deborah.
I'm 23 and I make conservative content.
My name is Samuel.
I'm a biochemist full-time, but I'm also full-time jiu-jitsu artist.
Catch me live on UFC Fight Pass this Saturday competing to win gold.
How old are you, Sam?
Oh, I'm 27.
My name's Chase, 28 years old, professional photographer and brand consultant.
What up, fam?
Good to see you guys here.
Okay, rock and roll.
Everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
So we're going to go around the table once more.
What is your current relationship status?
Are you single?
Do you got friends with benefits?
Are you in the talking stage?
Situationship, relationship.
And also, in addition to that, your longest relationship.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I'm in a very committed relationship with my boyfriend right now.
And my longest relationship was like two and a half years.
I'm very much as single as I come.
And my longest, I guess, no real relationship yet, but my longest talking phases have to be almost a year, I'd have to say.
Longest talking phase.
Have you ever had a boyfriend?
No.
Like officially, no.
Okay, but you have had like a concurrent period of time, like you said, a one-year period of time where you did have very much like a year-long talking stage, but talking stage.
Yeah.
Talking stage, so what is that?
If anyone else wants to chime in, what is a talking stage?
Hell.
It's like a question of loyalty, honestly.
Like you're just wondering at that point if you're in the talking stage.
Yeah, what did that mean for you?
They couldn't have explained it any better.
It's literally hell.
Purgatory.
Test your loyalty, absolutely.
Wait, it what?
Like test the loyalty.
For you?
No, like in general.
Like for both parties.
Did you want commitment, but he wasn't willing to give it?
Basically.
Basically, that's what it was.
Yeah.
They couldn't have said any better.
I feel like the talking stage is like when you add something to your cart on a website and there's like only one left, but it's reserved because it's in your cart, but you don't actually buy it.
It's a pretty good one.
That's kind of what it is.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I'm currently in a relationship.
This is also my first relationship.
How long have you been seeing this guy?
We just started dating on the 5th, actually, so it's pretty fresh.
But I've been talking to him for about six months, or I've known him for about six months.
Were you guys friends for the first five months?
Kind of.
Or was it the talking stage for the first time?
It was a talking five stage.
Yeah, I would say it was a talking stage, yeah.
For five months, and now you guys have been dating for one month?
Yes.
Who brought the topic to wanting it to become something more serious?
Was it you?
Was it him?
Was it kind of mutual?
I think it was kind of mutual.
Straight into the mic?
It was more of if I would say the timing, sort of.
Timing.
But I think it was just a mutual thing.
What do you mean, timing?
i don't think he originally wanted to start dating necessarily in um college he didn't he didn't see in his future but we just both kind of started liking each other so it got i don't know Quite, so, sure.
Question.
During the five-month talking stage, were you dating other guys too?
No.
Just him?
Yeah.
Okay.
Was he seeing other girls?
No.
You sure about that?
You kind of smiled a little bit when...
No.
You're not sure about that.
Here, try to be straight into the mic if you can.
Possibly in the beginning, but not towards the end.
Okay.
Isn't that kind of what the talking stage is?
It's like you meet someone and you guys are still dating and you both know that you're seeing other people, but no one's willing to commit yet.
Right?
And that lasts for as long until that person either finds someone that they really like while they're dating other people or they kind of just fall back on whoever they're talking to at that time.
It's like the modern version of dating, like how we're supposed to go on dates and get to know somebody, but no one's going on really dates anymore.
They just start hooking up.
So just imagine how adults would say, like, oh, we started dating, going on dates.
And you guys are okay with that?
I'm not.
You're not?
Ali, were you okay with that in the beginning, or was it a struggle?
In the beginning, it was okay, but we were, or we both talked to each other about, and we were like exclusive with each other for a couple months, so before we started dating.
How soon did you know that you wanted to date him exclusively?
I would say probably like the second month in?
Would you say it took him a little bit longer to come to the same conclusion?
I would say it was pretty mutual, but just again with the timing, it, I don't know, honestly.
It just ended up working out, so I'm very happy.
Sweet.
Sorry, one thing.
Can I have you scoot your microphone closer to this way a little bit?
Yeah.
Perfect.
Go ahead.
I'm still very taken.
And my longest relationship has been 10 months.
Is that your current one?
No.
Okay.
Still very taken.
Are you still very much going to marry your current boyfriend?
Absolutely.
Okay, cool.
Does he feel the same way?
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
Congrats.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I am in a relationship.
He's watching this.
Love you.
And the longest relationship I was in was about four-ish years.
Oh, so I wasn't laughing at you.
Okay, cool.
Cool.
What about you?
He's definitely watching this too, so we're going to be nice and say situationship, but I am basically single right now, I guess.
Wait.
Hold on.
I can't.
She's giving him more excited things.
Let's say we met.
Things were great.
And then I just didn't see it going in the direction that I wanted it to.
So I ended things.
And then I was at my friend's wedding and I was like, oh, what's the harm in just texting him?
And then we've hung out a few times.
No hooking up, just truly hanging out.
And things are going well now.
So we're going to see.
But I also don't believe in being exclusive unless you're actually dating.
I think that's just a way to trap people.
Huh?
Wait.
I don't believe in being exclusive.
I know.
I believe in being exclusive.
I'm very for monogamy, but I think it's like a modern day thing.
Like, we're exclusive, but we're not dating.
Like, that's just such a scam for people who don't want to actually fully send a relationship.
Wait, but I thought you said you don't believe in being exclusive unless you're dating.
Yeah, like people will be exclusive talking to each other.
They're not going to hook up with other people, but it's like, that's not my boyfriend.
That's not my girlfriend.
I think that's a scam.
That's so weird.
Who does that?
That's so funny.
A lot of people.
That's so weird.
It's part of the talking stage, yeah.
But so what you're saying is when you are in the talking stage or you're in a situationship, you're not exclusive with the person you're in a talking stage.
Until you're officially dating, I would say like you're allowed to go on other dates.
I don't think you should have sex with other people, depending on how serious your relationship is.
But going on other dates, yeah, don't, if you're not dating somebody, if you don't have a boyfriend, nothing should stop you from finding that person.
Wait, do you think that you should be able to have sex with other people when you're in that relationship?
No, of course not.
I'm a very big fan of monogamy.
But I also think the talking stage different than the one year, I think that would be a situationship.
I think the talking stage is like the first three months.
And those few months, it's kind of natural.
If you don't want to go on other dates with other people, you're kind of seeing where it goes.
But then once that time is up, if that just continues nine months of being in the talking stage, you don't deserve to be exclusive with that person.
Either commit or go find somebody else that you actually want to commit to.
Based.
Dude, who stays in the talking stage for nine months?
That's crazy.
That's the lie.
When people say men know, they know.
If you are with the one, you won't want to date anybody else.
You won't be like, I need to keep my options open.
You're going to immediately want to commit to them.
I used to think the same way until I met my boyfriend.
Now I understand once you meet someone, you don't.
What are you laughing at?
You're right.
Just not laughing.
What are you laughing at, bro?
Don't worry about it.
I think Kiko is right, but the problem with dating these days is that Men don't want to give away that commitment too quickly because they're afraid that the woman is going to get turned off by that.
So when a man finds someone that, a girl that he really likes and really wants to pursue, I think a lot of guys know not to show like that they're really, really into her right away because it's going to scare her off.
And that's how you get stuck.
That's how these, you get stuck in this limbo.
Yeah.
Ladies, do you guys agree with that?
I kind of get your point, that's a lot with that.
Yeah.
I think that could be like just a modern day thing that people are very scared of like intense relationships these days.
That's why there's talking stages, all these things where you don't actually have to commit.
But if you compare one year situationship to people who have been dating for five months, I don't think there's a big difference.
You're hanging out all the time.
You're going on dates.
You're not really wanting to see other people.
So I think that's just a product of our times that people are just scared of the real thing.
I would say so.
Exclusivity and marriage, you know, you run the risk of ending up with the wrong person and then itched for life.
And that's a scary thing for people.
But also at the same time, I don't know, like, I'm the kind of guy, like, if I really like a girl and I know I could see myself spending the rest of my life with her, I know pretty quickly, you know?
And I don't know.
My friends, they have a saying, especially when it comes to relationships or big career decisions, they say if it's not a fuck yes, then it's a no.
I say if it's a maybe, then it's a hard no, right.
Yeah, especially when it comes to like marriage or like ending up with somebody long term.
Like if it's like a maybe and you're like iffy about it, like it should be something where you're like yes, in my opinion.
Same thing when I buy clothes.
I'm like, if I'm not obsessed with this when I try it on, I'm never going to wear it at home.
I have that mindset with men, but not clothes yet.
I need to get that message.
Maybe it would save me some money.
What was the question again?
The longest you've been in a relationship?
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Is that your clap me?
What's the trigger for that, by the way?
Anybody?
Chat?
Well, okay.
Current relationship status, longest relationship.
I'm recently single, and my longest relationship was about three and a half years.
Nice.
Yeah, I'm currently single.
Longest relationship was like a year and a half.
Okay.
And Joanna, for the new viewers who are tuning in, why don't you tell us a little bit about what you're looking for, Chase?
Me personally?
Yeah, I mean, and what you're doing too.
In terms of finding that?
No, in terms of the commitment that you've made that you're waiting for something.
I am.
Why don't you tell us?
Yeah.
Yeah, I want to find my wife, bro.
Tell them how you're born again.
What are the requirements?
What are the requirements for a wife?
Well, she's got to love the Lord.
She's got to be unvaccinated.
She has to be politically conservative.
I think if somebody truly loves the Lord, they will naturally be politically conservative.
Has to be traditionally feminine.
Are you shaking your head at that?
Keep going.
Let's get ready to rumble.
You know, traditionally feminine, if a woman loves the Lord and she subscribes to biblical values, she will understand that it is the man's job to lead the family, provide for the family, and to lead the family under the headship of Christ.
And it's the woman's job to submit to that man's headship in the family.
So a woman that's cool with the idea of submission.
Now, a lot of women have issues with the idea of submission.
Understandably so.
What I would be bringing to the table in a scenario like marriage is actually being worthy of submitting to as a man, right?
Earning her submission through good leadership.
But yeah, dude, I'm looking for a wife, and I'm not like intensely looking.
I recently went through an interesting relationship situation, and I'm kind of taking a break from looking for the time being.
His DMs are open, though.
Yes, yes.
DMs are open.
Yes, they are.
So do you want a virgin?
Ideally, absolutely.
Can she be a born-again virgin?
That was my question.
I mean, I'm not, like, terribly opposed to it.
Like, you could call me a born-again virgin in the sense that I stopped having sex three years ago.
I mean, last time I was on with you, you called yourself a born-again virgin?
I don't know if I use those words.
You said that you...
I think I simply said that I started saving myself a few years ago.
I don't believe in the whole idea of born-again virginity.
I don't think you can...
Maybe someone else said it.
I don't think you can, like, reclaim your virginity.
Oh, get it?
Like, thank you.
A complete deal-breaker if she's not a virgin.
It's not a complete deal-breaker.
No.
But like if she has a high body count, like, you know.
What's considered high?
I mean, if her body count is higher than 12.
Chase, is that too much?
Including girls and boys.
If Kiko became a born-again virgin, do you think that there's a potential match?
If Kikovo, got married, one of us would not make it out of the marriage alive.
Probably me.
I've never touched anyone in my life.
Not even your current boyfriend?
I mean, like, in a physical, like a harmful way.
Like, I've never gotten to a fight.
I've never met a girl.
I'm not a physical person.
You've never thrown an axe at a boyfriend or anything like that.
Axe.
No, but like Tupperware or some shit.
Yeah.
No.
If her body counts higher than mine, which is seven, it's a deal breaker.
Well, technically, if because you probably wouldn't count girls for me, right?
So mine would be under seven then.
You know what?
I would count girls.
Oh, you wouldn't?
Okay.
That's also kind of a deal breaker for me.
If she's been with girls?
Yeah, totally.
That's a deal breaker for you?
Totally, dude.
Why is that?
Because I don't want the bisexual woman, bro.
Sorry, Kiko.
do you think I was on a date chase anyways are you bisexual or are you just was it just um you know You know, I think we all know.
Well, when I say my longest relationship was with a girl, when I say the two, when I refer to the two and a half, but that was in high school.
I have not dated or like been with a girl since high school.
So I would I call myself bisexual today.
I don't know anymore.
Would you marry a woman?
That's the thing.
That's why I can realize I probably wouldn't.
No, that's why we ended.
I don't see myself living that life.
When did you know that you were bisexual?
Always.
Always like when I was younger, like I attracted to women when you're younger.
Yeah Yeah, probably.
I find them attractive, but I realized I don't plan.
Yeah, I would not marry a girl or go past that point.
Why wouldn't you marry a girl?
Because I, I mean, honestly, if I'm being for real, the main reason was because I'm not going to pay to have kids when I know I'm fertile myself.
I rather not have to spend thousands of dollars to have a child.
And I can sound pussy.
It's easier.
It's simply easier to live a heteronormative life.
You mentioned that you recently came back to the church.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Congratulations on that.
Thank you.
yeah hallelujah uh with recently coming back to the church do you feel like that would uh oh sorry go ahead Do you feel like with recently coming back to the church, do you feel like that precludes you from having more relationships with women?
Do you feel like there'd be a contradiction of your faith there?
No, because honestly, before how I just came back to the church right now, the last time that I was in Christianity was with my ex-girlfriend.
We used to go to church every Sunday.
And none of your pastors or priests said anything?
Our church loved us.
Really, really inspired us.
They are true Christians that realize we're all sinners and no sin is greater than the other.
They just don't follow the Bible.
They do follow the Bible and they follow the Bible.
How the fact that they are not there to judge only until that day comes.
My past year is not the one set out to judge me and my decisions.
There are so many things in the Bible that is considered a sin.
You can't just ostracize some people and say those sins are worse than the others.
That's not how it works.
All sins are equal.
That's not true.
There is.
No, it's not.
And love thy neighbor, you know?
Scripturally speaking, yes.
But loving thy neighbor does not mean approving of the evils that thy neighbor is doing.
Right?
This is why Jesus, when he would speak to people, he would tell them, go and sin no more, right?
He would love them.
And he would give them mercy.
But he would still forgive me tomorrow.
So, what's happening?
Brian's incredibly elongated sound effects.
Yeah, he would love them and he would give them mercy, but also at the same time, he would tell them, go and sin no more, right?
And there is a hierarchy of sin.
For example, there's the unforgivable sin, which is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, right?
There's a hierarchy of sin there.
But, yeah, I don't know.
I don't think, I mean, I know that a church affirming same-sex relationships is not operating in accordance with what the word says.
There's many churches that do.
Okay, cool stories.
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Okay, so first thing, oh, I kind of scuffed.
Well, that's fine.
So, first thing first.
What does a pick me?
Tay.
Tay is a pick-me.
The one that's that right there?
Yeah, the lights can get her.
Ultimate pick-me definition.
If you look up on Webster, her face will pop up, probably.
Sure.
But what does that mean to be a pick-me?
A woman seeks male validation.
I'm called a pick-me.
Are you a pick-me?
Are you a pick-me?
I don't believe that I'm a pick-me now.
But they call you a pick-me.
I don't do things to attract male validation.
I just use it.
It's what I do.
I don't intentionally do things that are like males are going to love me today.
Yeah, you got together with your boyfriend before you built this brand that's geared towards men, correct?
It's a complicated story.
Do you want to hear the quick version?
Sure.
So we dated a couple years back, and I made a video making fun of his apartment, and it went viral.
And then we broke up because he was moving, and I didn't see myself leaving New Jersey.
And I continued with social media, and he doesn't have social media, so he didn't know.
And then when we got back together about a year ago, he found out that I continued doing this and giving men's dating advice.
And over the past year, he helped me build the brand.
And he is, I always say, the brains behind my whole operation.
He just started his own page.
It's DMD.
Wait, so hold on.
A male is the brains.
I would say he's, he's, I have to credit him with a lot of it, yes.
He helps with the financial side.
I mean, I need him for the financial side.
I definitely write a lot of my own content, but he always, we collaborate, we talk it over.
I'm inspired by a lot of the things that he says and a lot of it.
I think especially, I used to give a lot more dating advice.
Now I think I scooted it toward more towards relationships.
And I learned a lot about dating, as in like flirting tips.
How to secure the date.
Right, I was going to ask you what the difference is.
It's a more like healthy relationship because I see it.
I learned you talked about submission.
I think a lot of women view that word as an icky term.
And once you what do you think about it?
I think it's great.
Why?
I've never felt more secure in my life.
And you feel like submitting to your boyfriend helps you feel that security?
Yeah, it also makes me feel very feminine.
I've never been so in touch with my femininity.
I think I used to have to be, I think when you're on your own, it kind of makes you like an alpha female sometimes.
Like, I don't need no man.
But I think every woman needs a man.
Let's go.
Yeah.
So based.
Why do you feel like submission helps you feel more feminine?
Because I can.
You don't have to be the alpha female.
Yeah, I don't have to be the one that's...
I know that if my finances crashed tomorrow, the house is under control.
Everything's stable.
He provides the stability.
And I can fall into my feminine side.
I can do more things that I enjoy rather than stress myself out and climb the corporate ladder.
I can make dinner at night and provide the feminine touch to the household and focus on being a great mother instead of climbing the corporate ladder.
What do you guys think about the concept of submission?
I submit to my boyfriend, definitely.
But it's, I believe in submission.
I like it.
Like how yes, you can be more intact with your feminine side, but I just appreciate how, even if he doesn't care, my opinion is still asked.
You know what I mean?
Like even if it's his ultimate decision, it's still a conversation is a thing that I like, just so I'm aware of what's going on.
And like I believe with certain things, like finances, like, yeah, that might be more on their side.
But like if I'm staying at home with the kids, I might know a little bit better what might be better for them when it comes to like school time or things like that.
So I would hope I have some type of say.
Completely agreed.
I feel like I'm very submissive to my boyfriend as well.
Hold on, just some feedback.
Both of you need to speak louder.
Can you try to project your voices a bit?
Yeah.
So, okay, you're very submissive to your boyfriend.
What about you?
Or do you wear the pants in the relationship?
Or the blouse?
It's very fresh.
It's fresh?
It's a fresh relationship.
You guys have been seeing each other for like six months.
Are you saying that's not the same?
No, you've known each other for six months.
You're still figuring out your dynamic?
Yeah, I would say so.
Do you wear the pants?
No, I wouldn't say so.
The slacks?
I think it's very equal.
It's equal.
Yeah.
If I may interject, I think I have a strong personality.
I just know that off the get-go, but I also really enjoy being feminine and girly and like being the girl in the relationship.
And I think a lot of women like myself run into this issue where if a guy is weak, we could smell it on you from a mile away.
And if you're going to be a weak man, we will dominate you, not intentionally, but in just like, this man's not doing anything, he's not leading me.
Like, I have to step up and wear the pants.
And that is the worst dynamic for relationships.
It just creates so many issues.
It creates a lot of resentment.
Yes.
And I think submission is fun for girls in the sense of like, I don't love making a bajillion decisions all the time.
I want to have somebody that I can trust to lead me with a decision that's going to be the most beneficial for me, for him, for my relationship with God and my future children and everything of the sort.
And then I could just focus on like what new recipe do I want to try or like what new hobby do I want to take on?
Things that are, I think girls care more about those things than guys at large.
Yeah, I totally agree.
Do you find it challenging to be submissive towards most guys?
It depends on the personality, but like these beta males, like I would never let you lead me.
Like are you kidding?
You can barely take care of yourself.
But when it comes to an alpha male, like you can smell it on them.
You're like, okay, yes, sir.
And you know, it's pretty easy to submit to a man who knows how to be, like you were saying, worthy of submission.
And a lot of these men call for women to submit to them and just listen to them without being anywhere near worthy.
And that's a big disconnect, I think, of people not being so icky with the term submissive.
Like if there's a great guy, you'd be happy to have him lead you.
No one wants a crappy guy leading them.
That's why people will say when they find out in a relationship, like, oh, he must be such a beta.
He must be a simple.
And I'm like, if you use your brain at all and look at me and the woman I am, you really think I could be with somebody like that?
No, it's not going to work out.
I'm going to step all over them.
I think the thing with women who are lean more masculine, no offense.
That's no offense.
You guys on this podcast would say that, but then to other people, like, what, because I have tattoos, things like that.
No, just your demeanor.
Yeah, but when do you know me outside of a podcast while I'm sit up here to debate?
Do y'all just sit here quiet and not say anything?
It's the point of what I'm on, is to prove my opinion and to speak my voice.
Do you think this is how my conversations are with my boyfriend?
Absolutely not.
Yeah, I mean, and I've said as much in previous appearances that obviously you've been invited onto a podcast where we are engaging in debate.
So I suspect that how you or how someone else who's invited on this podcast conducts themselves conducts themselves is going to differ than how they are one-on-one in an intimate setting with a partner.
However, I mean, you can get some degree of a read on somebody, even in this sort of environment.
And I mean, you probably, do you disagree that you're a bit more masculine?
Not masculine in appearance, but your demeanor.
No, not.
But I mean, I could see that, but outside of this room, no, I don't think anyone would know.
You don't think anybody would describe you as having masculine energy outside of this room?
My actual friends that I speak to, not just on a basis of this, I don't think so.
I'm honestly very, very submissive.
Honestly, I have too much empathy for so many people to really be more masculine or anything, especially like teaching children.
Like I knock off a lot of the feminine boxes, except for the fact that I can use my own voice.
But like me and my boyfriend are very differing in opinions.
Like you guys would probably agree on most things more than me and him would.
But we don't sit up here and argue all day and night about it.
He says his point, and I just say, okay.
Do your values align?
Overall, yes.
Okay.
Wait, do you get into arguments with your boyfriend?
Have you ever had an argument with your boyfriend so far?
Because it's one thing.
No, he made me mad once.
I think we've made each other mad once, but we never got into an argument.
But because this is how I sometimes see this play out, is a woman who leans a bit more masculine, if things are good, then it's fine.
But like if there's ever a disagreement or a fight, it's going to be a little.
We disagree on a lot of things.
He's very, he's a lot.
I just said I just got back into Christianity.
He's more conservative, Christian, you know, value-based than I am.
So we don't agree on a lot of things.
Like a lot of things I see on this podcast, he'd be like, you're so wrong when you said that.
And I'd be like, I'd be like, hey, bro, you know?
But like, we agree to disagree, and we know how to respect each other's opinions.
And I'm not going to just sit there and force him to agree with me on something.
Do you consider yourself more liberal, right?
I would say I'm very in the middle.
Very in the middle?
I mean, maybe a little bit left more liberal leaning, but I mean, I'm pro Second Amendment.
Like, I let's go.
Yeah, like, I'm not saying I think there needs to be more regulations on what's going on.
Uh-oh.
I think in some areas we do need.
I don't even want to get into this.
I have liberal, you know, I have liberal opinions.
I have conservative opinions because, in my opinion, based off of what I've read off the Bible, some things are more conservative and some things technically would be a little bit more liberal leaning.
So that's what I'm trying to learn more off and base more of my opinions off of.
I feel like the word masculine is being used in place of the word like risque or aggressive, perhaps.
I could definitely see that a little bit more.
Like people have just sometimes more aggressive personalities.
That's not necessarily a bad or a good thing.
People being too weak can be a bad thing too.
So I feel like that is a better way to describe what they're trying to say than necessarily masculine because while I do believe like everyone can lead into like their more feminine side, like I hate when a guy is super effeminate.
I always say like he's too feminine for me.
But I truly don't believe that like a woman could ever embody the masculine side, no matter how hard they tried.
And that's why I'm very much against those ideas that men and women can change theirselves because I think it's innate.
And even the most whatever, any girl that wants to be super, try to be masculine or whatever, they're still a girl.
They're still going to not equal to a man in that sense of personality.
Like I might come up with super, like my biggest problem my last job as being a manager is I wasn't assertive enough.
I wouldn't, I would let people walk all over me.
I wasn't putting my foot down with a lot of things.
That's what was the big issue.
And if I was, if I had a masculine side to me, I don't think I would have had that problem.
Okay, let's go back to the Pik-Me thing.
Do you have any thoughts on what a Pik-Me is?
I don't know.
Into the mic.
Into the mic.
If I'm being honest, like a Pikmin is, I mean, nine times out of ten, a girl.
Yeah, can a guy be a pick-me?
I mean, we've seen it.
We've seen it.
Maybe if he's like, for sure.
No, it's not male feminist.
It comes down to like the beta, like the guys who don't have that, you know, like a BDE.
The manliness.
I always say a manliness.
It's like the guys who normally don't have that energy either.
It's like the alpha energy is the other word.
Yeah.
You know, that are the pick me.
And we've seen it.
I think a lot of nice guys are pick-me's because they need a lot of validation.
They need a lot of female validation.
I feel like a male pick me would make a video that's like, when she's on her period, I just want to bring her chocolate and massage her feet.
Please pick me.
I've never touched a woman, please.
I feel like all the dudes that like aggressively support abortion and like feminism, I feel like they're all pick me too.
All I see with that is like I want to have sex with a girl and not be responsible at all.
And I'm very pro-life.
And I think a huge part is holding men and women accountable for their decisions to bring a life into this world.
So if we're going to just let the guy get off the hook so easily, that's not fair to women then.
What do you mean by let a guy get off the hook?
Like these guys that are advocating for abortion, I think abortion only benefits men in the sense of that a man can have, if abortion is totally legal in a state, I don't think a man is going to take as many precautions to protect himself from creating a life.
I think it incentivizes people to use abortion as a form of birth control rather than take the necessary steps beforehand.
And I just don't see how men, how anything, why would a man support abortion?
The only two kinds of guys that I've ever seen support abortion are the ultra simps that are like trying like yeah, I support feminism, like Biden, all that kind of stuff.
The ultra simps and the dudes that are running through chicks and they want that like escape hatch.
I definitely see that side, but I just when you speak like that, it makes it seem like obviously yes, abortion is a, I guess, a form of birth control in the end, but it's not.
It's it's not like oh, either I can get this IUD or just keep getting abortions.
Like obviously, you've probably never had to have an abortion right, since you're pro-life.
An abortion is not just a simple let me just walk in and oh, baby gone.
It's a very brutal procedure.
Yes, it's not, but I'm not saying there's not women who have had multiple or things like that, and there is definitely women out there using this birth control, but that is a small minority of the people there's.
Don't just make it seem like yeah, it's like oh yeah, I want, I can just get an abortion if I don't want to have a kid, like maybe there's a few you know small percent of women out there like that, but most of the time, a lot of women I know who've had abortions were honestly, a lot of them kind of sometimes were being safe.
Some of them were being idiots.
They're like, oh, pull out method.
How many people do you know that have?
I don't know a single person.
I don't either.
Yeah, I've known that have had quite a few.
Yeah, do you consider plan B an abortion?
No no, you don't consider plan B to be an abortion.
It's there's.
That's no proof, or not?
If you had it, it's.
It's too early on.
No, because I don't.
I don't think there was a conception.
I think it's usually when the conception touches the egg, it's the next, it's the very.
You have to take it within 72 hours.
This firm.
For plan B, I believe so.
Because there would be nothing to kill if it didn't fertilize.
No, it's blocking.
It's not killing it.
In order for conception to occur, the sperm has to get...
Hold on, guys.
In order for there to be a conception, the sperm must swim and make contact with the egg.
If you take plan B, the sperm has not yet hit the egg.
It's not an abortion pill.
I don't think it takes it.
It doesn't take 72.
You can take it for up to 72.
You can take it for up to 72, but if you took it 72 hours later, there's a likely chance that the sperm has already reached the egg within 72 hours.
That's why you're not.
No, I saw some Kardashians.
I think Kendall Jenner taught me this on the Kardashians.
That sperm can live in your body for like three days before it impregnates you.
So that makes sense.
I don't know.
I'm not a biologist.
It's five days, and the 72 hours is actually just the 96% effectiveness.
So that's why they want you to take it within 72 hours, but you can take it within seven days.
But the efficacy goes down significantly because conception has occurred at that point.
So a lot of women, when they take plan B, they like shed their, you know, it forcefully sheds your uterine lining so that you're aborting whatever conception occurred.
And a lot of women report the fact that they have like clumpy periods and they have like something bigger come out of them.
So there's a possibility that the sperm did reach the egg.
I'm not just making this up.
I know.
I know your career and stuff.
But I've known people who literally used to pop, sadly, I don't agree with it.
They used to pop plan Bs like candy.
I've never had a single friend say they bled after.
I've taken plan B's.
I've never bled after planning.
You've never had a single friend say that they bled after plan B?
Never.
That's never happened.
That's the process of which preventing it from happening.
I've taken probably three plan B's in my life.
I've never bled once from it.
And I never had a worse period after.
I was going to say, everyone, I haven't heard the bleeding because I don't know that many people that take plan B, but in college, I know that people have to be a bad person.
That's an abortion.
That's horrific.
That's an abortion pill.
I'm just following plan B.
And you can only take it like three times a year or something like that.
Plan B. You can't just pop that like it's like candy for it.
And then it can become effective.
Yeah, and it can affect, I'm sure it can affect fertility or something of this sort of thing.
So you're not supposed to take it.
You're already more than like three times in your life.
Exactly.
I think that's what it was.
People play with fire with it.
And also, every time, like people try to get pregnant for a long time.
It's not just, oh, you get, sorry for my earlier, you get nutted in once and you're pregnant.
A lot of the time the plan B isn't even preventing anything from happening.
A lot of times you weren't even going to get pregnant.
It's just a cautionary act.
And that's because of like the cycle, the menstrual cycle, right?
You can only get pregnant when you're audio.
Two days out of the month.
Yeah.
Right.
And so that's five six.
The stories, I'm not making this up.
The stories that I've heard about are when women take it and during ovulation and there was conception, like there was actual fertilization occurred and they took it and then they it either caused them to have an irregular period or it caused them to bleed out something that was a lot like something that was different.
I don't feel uncomfortable talking about this because I've never had a period.
Okay.
So just from this point, I would have to look into it further.
It's plausible that it could be an abortion if conception occurred.
However, for example, you can have sex and then five minutes after you have sex, take a plan B pill.
Conception has not occurred five minutes after you've had sex with somebody.
So that would not be an abortion, but it's plausible it could be an abortion.
If you took plan B five minutes after you had sex with somebody, is there a chance that the plan B won't work?
Yeah.
Yeah, 100%.
It's pretty effective, is my understanding.
For the most part, not that I would have any knowledge of it.
That's why it's plan B, and you can only take it within a certain days because it's not going to force an abortion.
If you take it after that time frame, you're not going to just take it and now you're going to get an abortion or have it a miscarriage.
One of my friends recently told me a story that his buddy got his girlfriend pregnant, and like several weeks after the fact, he mixed a bunch of plan B into her pancakes and she like basically killed her baby.
Okay, I said taking a plan B versus mixing a bunch of plan B's together.
I'm sure you could take a woman a lot of things that would give her a miscarriage.
It can still be effective.
I know, but there's a lot of things that you could even need to go to jail as a family.
I'm calling the FBI.
Yeah, I have a hate crime turret.
You could drink a bunch of vitamin C and force yourself an abortion, but it's not because it's the plan B that's going to give you it.
Wait, you can get an abortion from a bunch of vitamin C?
There's many ways to pineapple.
Yeah, there's many ways to stop it.
I think I learned that Prague Maria story.
I don't know.
Who's the first person to figure out that you could take a bunch of vitamin C?
Who was the first person?
Honestly, it was probably on accident, which is very, very sad.
Who's like, let me pull these udders.
Let me drink that.
No, it was probably because somebody, some dude of the fetish structure.
I'm listening.
I was saying probably somebody was supposed to have orange juice or something and accidentally had a miscarriage or they didn't want to.
That's probably how we found that out.
True.
I did not.
Okay, we're going to move on from that topic.
So many.
So yeah, what about ectopic pregnancy?
What do you feel about that?
Should we hit some stage?
We're going to move on.
We're moving on from that.
Star that, Eric.
Okay, so Alexandra, thank you for the membership.
Appreciate it.
All right, Prometheus Venom.
Thank you for the 100.
By the way, guys, get your super chats in.
100 and up for the super chats, 200 nump triggers TTS.
Prometheus Venom.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Exclusivity.
You have to be very careful as it can go horribly wrong.
Can you expand on that, Prometheus Venom?
Prometheus Venom, can you?
Oh, he has another one here.
My girlfriend has bleed before by taking Ella, and her period was awful and messes with her hormones.
She told me she had clumpy blood in her area.
Be careful with it.
Hello.
She probably meant plan B. Ella's a version of plan B.
It's supposed to be more effective.
They sell it at the use.
What is plan B?
Is it like a superdose of hormones?
It's just like basically a higher dose of birth control, hormonal birth control.
I feel like it's a cortisone shot versus like an Advil.
It's a lot.
It's progesterone.
And progesterone.
It's just you from getting pregnant because it keeps your hormone levels so high that you don't ovulate and you don't drop an egg.
Based.
Yeah, so Deborah knows what she's talking about.
College.
We learned some things there.
All right, moving on.
Did you guys have a sense of what a pick me is?
Do you want to weigh in?
Someone who seeks attention.
I don't even think it's like if you could say a girl is a pick me.
I think a girl can be a pick me towards men and women, honestly.
Yeah, I agree.
What's a girl who's a pick me towards women?
What does that look like?
Just trying to be better than a woman, I feel.
Try to be better than women.
All right, we have one more super chat here.
Justin Reyes, thank you for the 100 man.
Appreciate it.
Brian, I appreciate your content.
A little more than FNF.
Chase, calm down the religion.
Kiko, I may disagree with you 99% of the time, but respect, you stand up for yourself, ladies.
What turns you off on from men physically?
Before we reread that, did you want to weigh in on what a pick me is?
I would just say it's a girl who like wants, seeks a lot of attention from men and goes out of their way to do that.
Okay.
But I agree with Madison.
I think it can be with a woman in an other group of large women where they're just trying to be like the center of attention for like a male to notice.
And they like make it their personality.
I'm going to clarify this for all the boys out there.
All right.
For the young guns.
A woman who is a pick-me is a woman who will intentionally espouse values that she thinks a guy she wants is going to like, right?
So you've got this phenomenon with all the chicks that claim to be trad, but they're still getting their backs blown out by Chads when they go to parties, right?
Like, these are women who claim to embody certain values just so that they can get your attention, but they don't actually have values.
Yes.
Yes.
Watch out for those chicks.
Watch out for those chicks, bros.
That's why I called Tay a pick me because, like, what from them speaking so far, I could tell like this is just their true beliefs.
This is what they believe and what they stand for, and that's fine.
That's who you are.
But with her, it was you could just see right through her act, especially just when you call me masculine.
Like, that's a true masculine woman right there.
And everything that she was saying was about how you need to be submissive and this, that, a third.
I'm like, you're literally a contradiction of your whole thing.
So I don't know if it's for views or what she's trying to do, but she's or her.
No, no, Tay.
No, we're boys.
We're girls.
Yeah.
Not only on the weekends.
You could just see right through.
It's like a facade that she thinks that's what's going to get her like an Andrew Tate or something.
She has to act that way.
She has to shit on herself and her own appearance in order to, you know, make men like her.
To your credit, you're not wrong.
Tay, I don't know if she's a pick me, but she's definitely pretty masculine.
She's very masculine, and she tries to act like she doesn't care about certain things when she does.
Like, she's like, oh, I don't care what this happened.
You're seeing her doing their sorority pose and all that.
Like, sorry.
Like, yeah, it's like, be for real.
Yeah.
Like, you're.
But she's the homie.
She's the homie.
No, I really don't like her.
Not for you.
For me.
Yeah, that's why.
I think she's honestly a terrible person.
But Tay, you know, you're a strong woman.
She was a strong woman.
Obviously, tattoos are so ugly.
And this and that when she has face tattoos.
What?
Like, be so for real, girl.
Like.
When she got a teardrop.
Like, she has some of those eyebrows.
Your neck.
Eyebrow neck.
Watch out.
You're next.
And then talking shit about my husband.
Was that the fancy note chick?
She was like Latin skin.
I don't know, sharpie eyebrows, but saying I was wearing two.
She's like, I don't believe in makeup.
But then she had like hella makeup on.
Yeah, it was very weird.
That's a good example of.
Oh, I have a hard time.
Let's be nice to Tay.
We should be nice to Tay.
Go ahead.
Tay, if you're watching this, I really don't like it.
You should be nice to Tay.
Well, I used to get all the pick-me comments back in the day, and I think that I was never fond of it just because I'd post conservative content, things that I truly believe in.
And at that point, it's kind of like, I really don't think this word is so useful in this day, but like misogynistic in a way where they're like, you don't actually believe what you believe.
You only believe it because a man told you to believe it.
I'm like, no, I actually believe this.
And they think I'm not validated.
So I hated that side of it.
But that one example that you just gave was really accurate.
Like, girls are like, I hate makeup.
I don't need makeup to look pretty.
And when your friend is like glammed out next to you, they're like, wow, I wish I had as much care for my looks as you do in front of other guys.
Like, just saying things to try and be like a guy's guy when they're just a nobody's person.
That's exactly what she was trying to do the whole time.
Like the guys.
Like, I drink, I drink beer, eat wings, and watch sports.
Like, that's the whole facade that she was trying to put on.
And I'm like, I could name five NHL players.
And then I went to her Instagram.
Her whole entire Instagram was just her sharing.
All right, all right, all right.
Okay, so we have to come on screw pick me, girls.
She's over here.
And guys, Prometheus Venom says, it can cause some miscommunication, Chase.
I've experienced it.
Well, it's good to give a heads up for the other boys about the problems that can come with quote-unquote exclusivity.
Always make sure that you're vetting a woman effectively.
And then we read Justin Reyes.
We will not calm down on the religion.
Sorry, dog.
Thanks for watching, though.
And for the puns.
Yeah, let's see.
He said, ladies, what turns you off on from men physically?
And just really quick, Fresh and Fit are the homies.
So much love to FNF.
Okay.
So yeah, ladies, what turns you off on from men?
We'll go around the table on this real quick.
Go ahead.
Biggest turn off, biggest turn on physically.
Biggest turn off, skinny.
Biggest turn on.
Jesus' legs.
Big.
Likes big dudes.
All right.
I mean, I want if you, if I look at you, you look like you can't protect me, then I'm good.
It's reasonable.
What about you?
I would have to say, like, a really bad turnoff is a guy who's rude.
Just think of turns.
Rude, physically, though.
Physically?
I mean, I know I don't have one, but I love a good jawline.
Good jawline?
Does Chase have a good jawline?
I mean, it's there.
It's there.
It's cute.
What about me?
What about me?
It's just a good jawline.
It's there.
We can see it.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm flexing mine now.
And a turn off for a guy with how you like.
You said, like, appearance-wise?
Yeah, physical.
Would like smell be like one of them?
Like a guy who smells.
Bad smell.
Yeah, like horrible hygiene.
Have you encountered a guy in your excapades that just.
I mean, like, I've been out and like asking a guy who's cute, and then like the second they walk by me and you smell like ass.
Like, get out of my face, bro.
Okay, so smell.
Smell.
Allie, what about you?
I don't know if I can think of like a physical turn off.
I would say also smell.
I don't know if that's.
Would you need a guy who's five foot?
Yeah, that's a good one.
Would you guys be shorter than you?
I would say as long as they're like one inch taller than me, height doesn't really move that cup out.
That cup right there, just move it somewhere.
Move it.
Move it.
Why?
Don't worry about it.
The hell.
Don't worry about it.
So, OCD.
A tad, huh?
So go ahead.
Turn on.
I turn on.
Wait, how tall are you?
I'm 5'5, 5'6.
So as long as he's 5'7?
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't mind.
I would die.
How tall are you?
I'm 5'9.
Are you wearing heels right now?
I'm wearing two inch heels right now.
I'm six feet and three inch heels, so like, it's not selfish for me to be like, come on, six feet or greater.
Whenever my friends try to set me up with people, I was like, does his number star with a five?
And they're like, yeah, I'm like, zones do what?
What if he's six foot?
That could work.
That works.
Or like 5'11 with a tall personality.
You're like, noted.
Okay.
Sitting up straight there.
What about turn-on?
I would say I'm typically attracted to men with like darker hair.
It's like a specific physical turn on for me.
Okay, what about you?
Turn on, I would say a nice smile.
I like eyes.
I like eye contact.
Turn off if I don't would, I don't know about physically, but if you're like overly confident, like obnoxious.
I don't know if that's physical.
Like arrows.
That's like coffee.
Yeah, yeah.
I would say like that's not physical, but that would be a turn off for me.
Turn on or off?
Off.
What if they have like a Chad, Brian?
A what?
Like a Chad would be a turnoff.
A Chad would be a turnoff.
For me.
Your boyfriend's a Chad.
What are you talking about?
My boyfriend's not a Chad.
You get calling him a Chad.
Your boyfriend's a legend.
What are you talking about?
He is a legend.
Definitely not a Chad.
Wait, so.
Okay, but for physically, for example, what about a guy who has a face tattoo?
Would that be a turnover?
Turn off would be like messy hair.
Messy hair.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Like, not good hair.
What about like a third nipple?
I wouldn't, honestly, if it didn't bother me.
I could be down for it.
Okay, what about you, Billy?
Turn off would be long fingernails.
Off.
Oh, fingernails.
Okay, we're chilling.
Yeah.
Turn on.
Not your alien fingers.
A turn on would be a strong.
Ew.
Did you know that's a sex doll?
I said, oh, it's a Barbie doll.
And everyone's like, that's a sex doll.
I was like, I'm too naive to be here.
Turn on would be a strong back.
Strong back?
Okay.
Like, he's deadlifting like 525?
Are we talking like back width?
Like, like a strong spine or deadlifting like 600 pounds.
I don't care about the pounds.
Just no digital 4L5.
Strong.
Like, you want to get a little bit more.
Good, good.
Yeah, but like broad shoulders.
You guys want like the definition in the back.
There's a lot of back muscles.
You want like definition or let's move it on.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Biggest turn on would probably be big, but in the sense of like bulky types of guys, like I think the dad bot is pretty favorable too.
Like I don't need a guy who's pure raw muscle, but someone who makes me feel like small, because I'm 5'9.
So like someone who makes me small and little and safe.
I love that.
Biggest turn off.
Somebody who doesn't work out.
And it doesn't even have to be that they're obese, but just somebody who clearly doesn't go to the gym or have health, like live a healthy lifestyle.
I work out like five days a week.
It's very important to me to live an active lifestyle.
And being with somebody who just doesn't care for that, it's so gross to me in every sense.
I agree.
You want us to answer, Brian?
Was it, I mean, what gets you guys going for the other side.
I'd like to answer, Brian.
I mean, Brian doesn't want to hear from you, Sam.
Sorry.
No, I'm going to answer anyway.
Biggest turn on is when she's fit, like when she's physically fit.
Let's go.
And she has a strong core.
Yes.
And can do, like, if you're a gymnast, my DMs are open.
Biggest turn off is tattoos.
And specifically, like masculine tattoos.
Because I feel like a lot of tattoos are masculine on women.
And I kind of feel like this is going to be a hated opinion, but that it's kind of a way to embrace their masculinity by getting like those masculine tattoos.
Who here has tattoos?
Do you hate my tattoos?
Like, do you think masculine?
I don't hate them, but I don't consider those.
No, no.
I wouldn't consider those masculine.
And I don't hate them.
What do you consider like a masculine tattoo?
Wait, so you're the tattoo of the five here, like the grim reaper.
I don't have tattoos in South Judaism.
I have one that's the size of a quarter on my ankle.
Hey, Kiko, get a...
Yeah, no offense to Kiko, but it's more like when they have a sleeve or something like that of the sort.
Or if there's like tons of tattoos.
Sam was just talking about your tattoos.
And I think that the tattoos, I think that the tattoos like more on that are kind of a cry for attention.
I'm not attacking you, Kiko.
He said that he thinks tattoos are a turn off physically.
Okay, that's fine.
Okay.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect her to go.
If I got any tattoos, it'd be like a 1776 or like made in America.
That's basically, I'll add on to the tattoo turnoff.
If a chick has like a big snake tattoo, it's a no for me, dog.
Huge no.
It's a huge cry for attention.
It's like I sketched.
My dad's not in the photo.
I don't have anything.
Is that a thing, snakes?
It's tattooed.
Yeah, a lot of chicks have snake tattoos.
Oh, I don't have a single snake, so.
You're good for it.
You have a snake tattoo, Kiko?
I don't.
Okay.
I think your tattoos are fun.
Oh, thank you.
I think there's degrees to the tattoo thing.
Like, I agree with you, Sam.
I'd prefer a girl who had no tattoos.
But, like, if it's like a heart somewhere, like, that's not a huge thing.
But if it's like full sleeve, you know?
Agreed.
I think it's degrees to it.
Like, agree.
more covered up she is then it's a little bit more of a thing whereas if it's like one or two here and there it's not it's not as huge of a deal you know Yeah, I like the new.
I really am not a big fan of tattoos, but if girls are going to get tattoos, I like the fine lines, like, and they're elegant and beautiful, and they pour into your femininity.
I'm talking more so of like just getting blasted and having like a full sleeve of like that I would expect on like a marine, you know?
What do you think?
Hey, Kiko, can we see your neck tattoo since we're on the topic?
My neck tattoo.
Don't you have a little neck tattoo here?
You guys call this neck tattoos behind the ear.
Oh my god, hey.
No, I'm probably going to get a lot of my dude.
Actually, Kiko, do you want to read it?
What is it?
Hi ladies.
Disregard my dead name.
I'm a tri-gender, non-binary, non-conforming, Therian, trans man with a three-inch micro.
I'm as tall as a labradoodle standing.
Why do you know how tall a labradoodle is standing?
And I have one pierced blank.
My pronouns are bad dog, bad dog self.
Would you date me?
Christ says the Lord.
No, no.
Since y'all didn't answer fast enough, let me just reiterate.
No.
It depends.
I got to meet you.
It depends on who.
Sounds like a cry for help.
You lost me at the tri-gender.
I've never heard of people being all three.
He lost me way before that.
The need to give yourselves that many labels is a cry for help.
Hey, thank you.
Wait, what's the third gender?
I want to date.
Sorry.
There's 99 genders, whichever one they're feeling.
Yeah, aren't there anything?
He said he was dog slash dog self.
So I guess it's animal.
Hold on, hold on.
Eve, thank you for the big $200 super chat.
Appreciate it.
And thank you for all your support on the previous show.
Chase, before I have you go, let's finish the previous super chat.
Sam, so you said your turn off is tattoos.
Did you say your turn on?
Yeah, my turn-on is when a girl is fit.
I love to see a girl that takes care of herself and is fit because it's just super hot.
It's like, wow, like you know that that's hot.
You know that like being strong and fit is going to be like good for your health and for your mental health.
And it's going to be good for like your womb when you carry my babies.
You consider me fit?
Yeah, I think that you're a little skinny.
Do you work out?
Should we do a little fit check for me?
That's the best compliment.
Kiko fit check or just so Sam can lovely.
A little twirl, I reckon is.
I can't really twirl.
Like all girls are built different.
You've got like the slim rib cage that a lot of girls want, right?
And I just think in general, like if a girl is fit.
Yeah, I work out like five, six times a week with my boyfriend.
He got me more into it.
It just, I struggle in the end if I try to gain weight.
I'm on a weight game journey, but it's really hard for me.
You should hit GNC and get on that trend.
Yeah, get on that trend.
Sweet.
No, I like, my voice is already deep enough.
Thank you.
Chase, turn on, turn off, physical.
Yeah, I'm right there with Sam.
I love fit chicks, man.
Like, I've got a thing for like Olympic sprinters.
I like you, Chase.
Scandinavian.
Scandinavian Olympic sprinters.
Let's go.
Oh, my God.
Eve.
$200.31.
Kiko, that's transphobic.
Thank you.
Kiko, your response?
You know, I'm known as a trans warrior.
Now I'm transphobic.
You can't make everybody happy, I guess.
Sorry.
You can't win on this one.
I can't, you know?
To continue, one sec really quick.
Yo, Flan Life, thank you for the big 50 gifted memberships, dude.
Thank you.
That triggers a fit check.
But we'll finish off on the super chat.
Then we'll do the fit check afterwards.
There it is.
Thank you, Flan Life.
Appreciate it, man.
What a legend.
I'm absolutely killing you.
Shout out to Eve, too.
Eve's been killing it with this.
Yeah, Eve's the last time.
Thank you so much for the support, Eve.
You guys are remarkable.
Thank you guys.
Go ahead, Chase.
Yeah, I was going to say, love the fit chicks.
If a chick can, like, if she looks like she can move well and she can keep up, like, on an adventure, she's got like tight core, strong legs, good butt.
I love that.
For the zombie apocalypse.
Crazy, absolutely.
You need like a strong.
Produce me some strong warrior children, too.
Let's go.
That's good.
Yes.
It's funny how you guys see it that way.
I mean, you kind of touched on it.
For me, when I see a fit man, it's more as like they care about their health, not really.
There's that too, but like there's like, there's a level of fitness where a woman's also taking care of like her nutrition where you can tell she's both fit and fertile.
And it's like, oh my gosh, kills me.
FMS.
It's especially true for women because when you get pregnant, like you're going to have to lose a lot of that weight, right?
Once you go back down.
Wait, what?
But anyways, anyways, to move on from that, yeah, the tattoo thing also turned off for me.
One of the trends that I really don't like that chicks are doing, they get tattoos like right.
Oh, the sternum tattoo.
I hate that.
The sternum is a tattoo.
No snake, no sternum.
I'm sensing a relationship for you.
I don't like that.
You know what?
The sternum tattoo is the tramp stamp of our generation.
That's facts.
Tramp stamps still exist.
They still exist.
Oh, now we're coming back in.
They're a thing.
Ladies, don't get tramp stamps, please.
Or sternum tattoos.
They're not, they're not.
Just get them on the side like me.
Especially when it's the, it's like a hippie thing, like some sort of like pattern.
It is.
You know, it is.
It looks like a chandelier and shit.
Like they do the chandelier thing.
I'm like, it's very urban outfitters.
Yes.
It's just basic.
Yeah, like just like Kiko's, just like that, but on the sternum.
To be fair, this is my first tattoo ever.
That's your first tattoo ever?
Yeah.
The snake tattoos are also.
I hate the snake tattoos.
What is funny about that being my first tattoo?
Is that the salamander on your koi fish?
Oh, what about the other one?
Koi fish.
You're playing into it, Brian.
Two koi fishes.
You're playing into it.
This is why they get tattoos.
You asked about it so that they can get attention.
I literally, when anyone asks me, I literally walk away usually.
Or I'd be like, oh, what did your tattoos mean?
I'm like, they don't mean shit, bro.
Even if they did, I just.
Do you regret any of them?
Yeah, I'm getting my whole sleeve hopefully lasered off by the end of this year.
Wow.
How much is that going to cost?
If I go through this one company laser away that I wanted to, it should cost me about like $24.
I've heard it's pretty painful too.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
$24.
$24.
Yeah.
Okay.
Random question for Deborah.
You're Jewish, correct?
Proudly, yes.
Do you only date within the religion?
I can only marry within the religion, but yeah, I haven't had a serious relationship with somebody who wasn't Jewish.
Can you scoot your microphone closer to you?
What if you met a guy who you really liked who wasn't Jewish?
If he was willing to raise the kids Jewish, then absolutely.
My mom was not so religious when they met my dad, and he met her halfway and they worked on it together through like spirituality learning and finally got her.
Judaism is a very big practice-based religion, so it's not just like, what do you believe?
It's like, what do you do?
But I know the type of household that I want to have.
I know the values I want to instill in my children.
And I'm not willing to compromise on that for a relationship now.
So if he's willing to compromise, for sure, but I know that I won't.
Would you respect a guy that's willing to compromise on his values to raise your Jewish issues?
That's a great question.
That is a good question.
That's a great question, actually.
I think it depends.
Like, there's a lot of guys that I've met who are newly Christian, like, recently baptized, recently just got into it, spent most of their life either just wishy-washy, never had such a strong faith background, or like they were atheists or agnostic and then changed their mind.
I think those I would be able to respect because I'm like, oh, you were just like shopping around for religion until you landed on this one.
But somebody who was a devout Christian for like 23 years of their life and then meets me and they're like, yeah, I'd convert to Judaism for you.
I'm like, beta.
Keep going.
Yeah.
It also doesn't count.
You can't convert for love in Judaism.
So like they have to actually really want to be a Jew.
That's a great question.
And I will answer the super chat.
Turn off physically over five foot.
Believe it's in the clear then.
Really good.
That's it.
Turn off.
I would say any plastic surgery or excessive vanity in terms of makeup.
So if you wear too much makeup.
What do you consider too much makeup?
Honestly, like.
I don't know that.
Honestly, anyway.
You guys wouldn't even be knowing.
Are any of us wearing too much makeup?
Yeah.
We don't so well first off you guys have been invited to appear on camera so I recognize that there's a difference when it comes to the stage and like versus a girl I would be dating in real life.
But for example, if some of you were like, yeah, you wear too much makeup.
I'm wearing too much makeup.
I'm not sure.
Well, we're purposely doing that for the lighting also.
Well, yeah, I camera washes up.
Again, you're here on the show.
But like in a different context.
Are you wearing anything on your face?
I think you've contoured your nose.
The boys are onto us.
We're all wearing about the same amount of makeup.
I feel like, yeah.
I think I just had really clear skin under, so you can't tell.
Are you wearing anything on your cheeks or just eyeliner?
I am.
Okay.
It's minimal, though, but I do see it.
Very much like full glam here.
Yeah, full glam.
Full face.
I don't have, that's so funny.
I don't have a full face.
Yeah, I could go so much more glam than that.
Yeah, I don't even wear foundation.
Like, you guys don't even understand.
I don't even wear makeup on a day-to-day basis.
I do either.
It just feels gross to me.
I have makeup right here.
I don't even have makeup.
I'm not even wearing foundation.
You got stuff.
You're not wearing any foundation.
No, I have like concealer under my eyes, but I have like in my bronze.
Oh, she's a pick me.
She's a pick me.
Like, my whole point, not anymore.
Yeah, my lipstick's also kind of off.
No, not anymore.
Okay.
It's like, you guys don't understand what it even looks like.
I know what it looks like.
I know what it looks like.
No, but girls can trick you.
So you'll be like, wow, she's not wearing a bunch of things.
Like a way girl.
That one girl comes on here and I'll be like, I don't believe in makeup.
I got pillows.
I know what you guys are doing.
I take my makeup off before I go to sleep.
Fucking pillows and shit.
Smack us in the face with a pillow.
Whoever releases the most makeup is like Mitch for the night.
Who are you dating that sleeps in their makeup?
What, let's say you- That girl don't care about her skincare.
Let's say a girl comes over to your girl comes over to your place and you're in the bedroom.
She lays down on the fucking pillow.
Boom, motherfucker.
It's like, it's like the shroud of the sky.
So she needs settings off.
That's what she needs.
She's on the pillow.
Have you seen the shroud of Turin?
Yeah, I have.
She needs some one size.
But I would say anything more than a bit of either eyeliner or mascara is a bit of a letdown.
You know, and I'm telling you right now, it looks, no offense to you guys if that's what you guys do on your day-to-day.
90% of the girls who I see who only wear, especially if you're wearing eyeliner and nothing else on your face, it looks hideous.
You need to balance it out.
If you're just wearing AD right now, it's a girl.
You need to have balance.
Just like how I want to put concealer on for the cameras, so I have to put a little bit of blush and bronzer to even it out.
You just have to keep doing those things or you're going to look insane.
Oh.
I do want to say that I feel like I don't wear makeup on a daily basis, not because I'm like, I don't love it, just because I do a lot of things throughout the day.
And especially with working out, I don't want to get it.
Yeah, I'm just going to sweat it off.
So I have really good skincare, really good moisturizer.
But I do find that when I'm in a relationship with a guy, I don't touch makeup unless we're going somewhere fancy.
But I think that's more of just like, I know that I'm good no matter what.
And I love wearing makeup.
Like I'll put makeup on just for myself and like Friday nights to have fun, like try new makeup looks.
But at the same time, I definitely feel that like, well, who doesn't want to present the best version of themselves when they're trying to attract a mate or a lover?
Well, you mean a fantasy version of yourself, but sure.
Well, I don't know.
There's two types of makeup.
There's makeup where like you completely change what you look like.
Sure, there's degrees to it, but at the end of the day, it's all a lie.
Well, there's makeup that just enhances some of your face a little bit.
Like putting a little concealer over a pimple that you have isn't necessarily a lie.
But then there's people who like contour their nose so intensely, put such big eyelashes, put overline their lips where they don't look anything similar.
When I take my makeup off, I still look like the same person.
Look, at the end of the day, it's not, I don't care that much.
But so, okay, for me, in terms of something that's a physical turn off, makeup, excessive makeup, anything where if we were to kiss, if it were to rub off on me, don't like it.
Don't like it.
I don't want it on my face.
But in addition to that, I also mentioned plastic surgery.
So fake tits, BBL, lipo.
Those are the three main.
What about fillers?
Oh, lip fillers, fucking.
What about like cheese?
Maybe it's a bad thing.
It's so obvious.
They're like freaky, too.
Sometimes they're obvious, and then they're not.
I mean, people tell me all the time, oh, you have fillers, you have this.
I've never touched my face.
Like, I will never do that.
So it's like, is she attractive?
Does she have fillers?
You know what I don't like?
Are the tattoo on lipstick?
Oh, I know.
I don't know.
I've seen that.
I'm not going to age well either.
But yeah, when it comes to here's the thing with like the plastic surgery stuff.
Even if a girl had, for example, no boobs, like flat, whatever, I would prefer her as she is like that than with her fake tits.
That's very refreshing.
I would never have to do it.
That's a great guarantee.
We love that.
We love supporting people in their original bodies without going under the knife.
No, that's not the guy at all.
It's beautiful values.
A pick me what you would say I would appreciate.
It's so pressured to get this stuff done just to fit in with the breast.
And it's nice to hear guys still appreciating often.
I would say too, I agree with Brian's take, and I would actively discourage, personally, I would actively discourage women from getting implants, especially because they cause health issues for health.
Hormonal imbalances, horrible things.
There's a whole small minute risking.
My boyfriend, that's like the one procedure I want.
It was a breast, it was a boob job.
My boyfriend should have said, like, I would leave you.
So he will not stay with me.
I love your boyfriend for you.
I feel like he's a really good influence.
He is.
He's an amazing man.
Honestly, I'm blessed.
Yeah, no, I was just going to add.
So I would prefer a girl who, let's say she had fake boobs, I don't care if they were, one was bigger than the other and there's some sort of deformity or some shit.
Aren't they always bigger than that?
Sometimes there's a bit of a survival.
I'm going to be honest.
I have nothing to lie about.
I prefer a girl totally flat than with fake tits.
Same with a butt.
If she had no butt, I would prefer it than a BBL.
Same with lipo.
I've seen the scar.
It's a belly button.
It's not a scar.
It just like I've seen it and it just looks like dehydrated.
It's hard to see.
It's hard because it doesn't match the rest of their body.
It doesn't look sucked from one side.
I would prefer a girl who has a little belly over like flat lipo belly.
It just to me doesn't look good.
So all that shit.
Same with lips.
I feel like it's the mark of a man.
Like a man wants a real woman more than a fake version of her.
Like a real man should choose a woman over this thing and it's the same with plastics.
And I think if more men preach that message, women would be less likely to go under the knife because they're doing it for you guys.
They're not doing it.
Do you think it's driven by assumed male interest or do you think it's driven by female competition?
Female competition.
Female competition.
Absolutely.
What are we competing for?
I think my question is: how many women who are getting plastic surgery are getting, like in LA, for example, so many chicks plastic surgery doubt.
How many of them are doing it because they see so many other chicks doing it and they're like, oh, I have to be like this.
They're not doing it for themselves.
They're doing it because they have to compete for the male's attention.
That's what female competition is based off.
Everyone's just trying to get the best man they can get.
Right, of course.
But what I'm asking is, do you think they're getting it because they heard from men that men like it or because they're seeing so many other chicks do it?
I don't think men know what they actually like.
I feel like other people do.
No, men definitely know what they like.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I know what I like.
I think most men, most of them, if you ask most men, most of them would say, I would prefer a girl without plastic surgery.
That's the thing.
You guys say that, and a lot of that is true.
But then what is portrayed on social media, it'll be like, oh, I fucking love Kylie Jenner.
I love Kendall.
I love this.
Like, Kendall might look like she's natural.
Everything about her is fake.
She's had almost probably every procedure you could think of besides a whole BBL.
I would prefer Kendall without any of the.
I believe you when you say that.
Wait, is it Kendall or Kylie who actually has a lot of surgery too?
You might not think that.
It was Kylie who Kylie's had multiple BBLs, revisions, all this stuff.
But Kendall, you might look at Kendall and be like, oh, she's a model.
She's skinny.
She has had any work done.
She's had her whole, she's had an eyelife.
She's had her nose done.
She's had probably like fat transfers.
There's nothing about any of them that's natural.
Like, especially in LA nowadays.
And also, it's a content thing now, too.
It's a content creation to get surgery done.
It's a way to keep up on social media.
It's such a bad thing for our culture, too, because Elon Musk, when he was on Joe Rogan, he made the point that social media is geared for like, he called it limbic resonance, right?
You open your feed and you see an attractive member of the opposite sex, and like that's what the feed starts to deliver you.
And it's like, it's like shifting our culture's preferences and like what a lot of people I feel like are looking for and what they think is attractive.
And it's pushing it in a direction that's really not resonating with like the majority of people.
I feel like it's like artificially inflating things that people don't actually like because dudes, for example, they're seeing like the big butts that are fake and stuff like that.
And they're like clicking on it.
It's a money scheme as well.
It's just like how the hard of America will portray things and make us worse.
Look, how common are BBLs?
You guys aren't rocking with Lizzo's ass.
No, no.
Does she have a BBL?
I think you're thinking of like a bad person.
She is the definition of like a BBL.
She is.
She is, though.
How common are she?
She always talks about in Miami.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think.
In Miami?
Oh, yeah.
Miami is plastic.
Pretty, pretty bad.
That's awesome.
Dr. Meyer.
Speaking of plastic surgery, as far as my turn-ons physically, I'll give two.
Okay, I like short girls.
So like if her height doesn't start with four, I'm out of the picture.
Just get out of here.
No, I'm kidding.
I'll date women taller than me, but I do have a slight preference for women who are shorter.
And then speaking of plastic surgery.
Are you ass or tips, guy, Brian?
You have a slight preference for women who are shorter.
Well, here's the thing.
It's not a.
It's just a slight.
Here's the thing.
In the same way that there are women who it's like, I will not date a short guy.
I will not date a guy shorter than me.
I'll date a girl who's taller than me.
Actually?
Yeah, I'll date a girl who's taller than me.
I'll date a woman who's around my height.
But I do have a slight leaning towards like 410.
Dog, you see short chicks and you're like, yo.
He's spicy capping right now.
No, I sure.
No, no, no.
No, I do.
I'm like, I do really, really like short women.
However, Brian sees a 411 girl and he's like, yo, am I in love right now?
Yeah.
But so, and the second one.
The second one, Chase, I saw you grabbing your mics.
I thought you were going to.
Okay.
I'm a fan of.
Look, women get shamed for it.
Large labia.
Okay.
Physically, I like women with large labia.
I'm a fan.
Of the beef curtains.
I'm a fan.
He is the king of beef curtains.
I even want to know.
I'm a woman's advocate.
I'm an advocate for women.
Roast beef.
How did we get to be a fan?
That's very inappropriate.
Let's call them Audis.
Let's call them Audis.
Audis.
Audis and Innies.
I'm a fan of Audis, okay?
And speaking of Brian is a deli connoisseur.
Speaking, Chase, that is deeply offensive.
I'd like you to apologize to all the women out there.
I just want to apologize to absolutely nobody.
Got to jail with Pancake Plan B, dude.
That is terrible.
Right to jail.
But women get plastic surgery called labia plasty to remove the lips.
And it's a tragedy that women feel compelled to undergo a dangerous and unnecessary operation.
Brian, on their own.
You know, Brian, are they doing it?
Are you dead serious?
Bro, yeah, bro.
You like flapping around in there?
Dude, the bigger the better.
And I don't like your characterization of the.
Why are you shaking your head?
You're not a fan of the Audis?
Oh, no, I am.
You're not team Audi?
What's up?
I am.
Look.
Labioplasties.
I'm a fan.
What?
I can't tell if he's serious or not.
No, I'm dead serious.
Chase is easy.
Labioplasties are not usually for appearance reasons.
Labioplasties are primarily done for cosmetic reasons.
Really?
that's yeah because women I've only heard of people I've seen who done that was usually because of pain Some women do have pain if they have an Audi.
However, most women do it for cosmetic reasons because women are shamed for it.
This sounds so pick-me.
I can't believe I've never had a friend be like, he took down my pants and said my laby was too big.
Most men, they just want the vagina.
They don't care what's going on.
As long as there ain't no bumps.
I care.
Why do you hold on?
I thought you were virgin.
I'm not a fan of the Audis.
All right, so she's not a fan of the Arabic.
Okay, wait, she averts.
She fulfills her whole life.
It's your wedding night.
I'm like, a neat and lady.
So I have a question.
I have a question.
So if you are waiting until marriage, is she just busting it open for you so you can make sure that she has an Audi?
Or like, how do you know that are you going to watch her when she has a tan?
That's what I'm saying.
Like how do you make it?
Go to the beach.
You can't tell.
You cannot tell.
You can't stand.
If it's full-blown beef curtains, like describing, hold on, bro.
You're going to be able to tell.
$200.31.
Hell yeah.
What is everyone's take on the fucking movement?
We still need to do a fit check, by the way, for planned life movements.
I think the fat acceptance movement is terrible.
Same.
Go ahead.
You were about to say something.
Okay, so like, I'm all for people being healthy, all about themselves.
Like I said, like, I don't know how to say this, but like, basically, like, I got a lot of shit for what I wear.
Like, people are like, oh, you shouldn't wear that.
It's for your body, blah, blah, blah.
For me, like, I don't wear this shit to like be get it for attention.
I do this because this is what makes me feel beautiful.
This is what I'm comfortable with with my skin.
Yeah, maybe I'm not supposed to wear this, but guess what?
I do it for me.
Because you're a baddie.
Exactly.
That's certainly.
Full-time certified.
Full-time.
No, that's exactly what it is.
Like, I don't give a fuck if, like, my fucking background's coming out.
Yeah, maybe there's some things like, of course, supposed to cover up my nipples and primitive or whatever.
But like, no, like, let's be real.
Like, no, no, no.
Like, let's be real.
Okay.
Like, I'm a fucking plus-size trans.
I'm literally, I'm a fucking plus-size trans woman living in Arizona.
Wait, did you say you're trans women?
Wait, you're trans?
Yes, I'm trans.
I thought she.
We did not know this.
I did not know that.
I'm a plus woman.
I thought you could always tell.
Honestly.
Apparently, honestly, I thought that you were trans.
Period.
But you can still be a full-time baddie.
Yeah, no, of course.
And like I said, like, there's a lot of shit, especially like with, we already get a lot of shit within our own sisterhood of trans, of trans girls.
A lot of the trans girls are like all about the whole Kylie BBL, whatever.
That's what I was going to bring up, too, when you guys are talking about plastic surgery.
Like, like I said, I probably do have different perspectives than you guys because you guys are cis women.
Period.
Into the mic and stuff.
Oh, period.
Sorry, I just wanted to make sure.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Of course.
But a lot of trans girls do the plastic surgery stuff just to necessarily fit in.
And that's something that, like, me as myself, like, yeah, eventually right now I'm working on my own pace, like, of getting healthy, maybe getting a little thinner, feeling better about myself.
But a lot of the girls, especially the dolls, like, that's what trans girls are hurting themselves, the dolls, period.
They kind of do the most outrageous things to fit into the category of, let's have the BBL, let's have the fake titties, let's do the brow shave, let's do all kinds of things.
And nine times out of ten, I don't even feel like, you know, a lot of girls do do it for themselves, but sometimes a lot of girls, a very small percentage, like, they do it for validation of men.
You know?
Word?
Word.
But like I said, a lot of the girls, especially, like, how did I say this?
A lot of the dolls do this for like themselves, obviously because they want to do it for themselves.
But there's still that very small percentage of girls who do it for boys.
And like, I just wish that that small percentage of girls would be like, no, like, you're a baddie already.
If you want to go ahead and do something for yourself, BBL titties, whatever, I'm all for it.
But don't do it out of the validation for like, oh man, do it for yourself.
I agree.
It's just because of a trend.
Exactly.
Or just to fit into what you think that that's what a woman should look like.
You're just smashing the haram button at the suggestion of these BBLs and fake titties and stuff.
Where's that haram button when you need it?
Wait, what?
Am I wrong?
Am I misunderstanding?
She's saying, go get those BABs.
Oh, you're saying go get these.
No, like if it makes you feel good.
If you're all for it, then do it.
Trans or not trans, whatever.
I'm saying if you're doing it for yourself, not for other self.
Like, do it because it's like.
I want to walk around with a fat ass every day.
And I've had a lot of people.
I love the way that I look.
Who gets big cosmetic surgeries just for themselves, though?
A lot of people.
I feel like everybody's doing it for like these things.
The only thing that would be for yourself is a breast reduction.
Sorry, the only thing that would be for yourself is a breast reduction.
I disagree, though.
Hold on.
Let me just add to that.
There are, I mean, plastic surgery originated to fix things like World War I soldiers from World War I who got their face deformed.
And then, for example, women who have or had breast cancer and they had a breast removed, they might get implant to kind of balance it out where there's like an actual deformity caused by a medical condition.
Yeah, but my point is people augmenting their bodies.
It's primarily for cosmetic.
Yeah, for cosmetic purposes, oftentimes it's to appear more attractive to the opposite sex.
100%.
But then there's like those people who it's appear better to the opposite sex.
But then we all know there's a lot of people with plastic surgery who look fucking terrible.
They look absolutely disgusting.
And they're doing a show around it.
Yeah, but most of those people, they're really doing it for themselves.
They don't care about what other people think because 90% of the people around them are telling them they look terrible.
And they still continue to get more and more surgeries.
It's usually a mental illness.
They're deluded.
They have body dysmorphia, things like that.
But they are really doing it for themselves.
They might have started out another way, but you can't tell me that that cat lion lady isn't doing it for herself.
Hold on.
You wanted to say something?
Go ahead.
Did you want to say something at some point?
That people absolutely do do it for themselves, but it does work hand in hand with male validation.
Like you, I feel like a lot of girls, like look on Instagram and see a picture of Kylie Jenner and like, oh, I want to look like that.
Like I want to have a big butt.
Like I think it's like so I can get more boys.
It could be that, but I feel like that's not their first thought.
Like I want to do that because of it's probably not their first thought, but they intuitively know if I get this, I'm going to get more attention from boys.
If boys didn't exist, they wouldn't be like, oh, I want to be able to do that.
I mean, lesbians can do.
I think that could happen, though.
There's room for that.
Last thing.
So I just want to add, you know, a lot of you scoffed when I said I like large labia.
Just saying, some of you gave me some looks.
Hold on.
Wait, Brian, come on.
Can I say something real quick?
One sec.
One sec.
So women have preferences when it comes to male genitalia.
Huh?
So I can have a preference too.
Just saying, women can have preferences, men can have preferences.
Sam, go ahead.
Okay.
So we're talking about like women augmenting their body for the male gays or not for themselves.
Okay.
And I want to bring attention to like this guy, Dylan Mulvaney, okay?
Nope, I want to talk about that.
Nope, sorry, dude.
We can't talk about that.
Nope.
Maybe later.
We can talk about that.
Well, I just wanted to talk about the fact that getting big, getting breast implants, getting a BBL, doing all this, your body isn't what makes you a woman.
Like, you are a woman by your chromosome.
come back to that but you're sam we'll talk we can talk about that later okay Brian's stopping him from spitting facts.
Okay, I'm just saying, you know, it doesn't, that's not what makes you a woman.
A woman is when you are, like, warm and nurturing, and when you're an alchemist, and you can turn a man's love into a baby, when you can turn a home or a house into a home.
Okay, we can do that.
It's when you're in the middle.
There are not just, it's not just what you look like.
Are you seriously encouraging?
Seriously, him talking about what a woman is?
Chase, it's my show, okay?
Please, go.
If I'm going to direct the conversation to not talk about this right now, we can bring it up later.
I have a plan for the show.
Okay.
Yeah.
We could stick to it.
All right.
These spitting facts, though.
We should come back to the spot.
Yeah, but if you are not going to be like a unified front, I think we should come back to it.
Okay, though.
It's important.
So, we do have to do a couple of chats here.
We have to do the fit check for let's flat.
Let's do the fit check.
You'll do nothing.
I got to go pee, Brian.
I have to be too.
I also do, but I'll wait.
We'll do that.
Stealing the spawn.
Let's do a little fit check.
If everyone wants to do a little stand up, we'll do a little fit check, I guess.
Okay.
I have Google.
I like your dress.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a nice dress.
Okay, fit check completed.
Thank you, FlanLive, for the 50 gifted subs.
Let me get, let's see here.
We have some soup chats here.
Actually, I need to get these done.
Okay, we have John Galt.
Hide that, Eric.
Thank you for the 100, man.
Appreciate it.
To the conservatives on the panel, why aren't you married with kids?
I'm suspicious that a lot of trad conservative influencers are just LARPing while living the same lifestyle as liberals.
Would it be cool to get Virgin Mary from number 62 back on the show?
Hey, John Galt, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
Okay, so why aren't you married to the conservatives?
I mean, I'll answer first, bro.
I live here in California, and it is a spiritual wasteland out here, my friend.
And here in Santa Barbara in particular, almost every single attractive young woman is fully vaccinated, which is a complete deal breaker for me.
And then on top of that, they don't believe in Jesus.
Why is the camera over there?
Okay, there we go.
They don't believe in Jesus, right?
And I've known for years that I wanted to find my wife, but it's very difficult to find a solid Christian wife in this area who is unvaccinated.
So, you know, that's why I'm not married yet.
And also on top of that, too, marriage is who you marry is the single most important decision you will make in your entire life.
And you have to pick wisely.
And a lot of people do not pick wisely.
You got to be aligned on values.
You got to make sure that they're the kind of person that's going to stick through in thick and thin, you know, and that they're going to be there by your side for the rest of your lives.
And finding people like that, especially in today's day and age, it's difficult.
You know, a lot of people our age, they lack virtue, right?
And they lack really solid values.
And when you find somebody like that, you got to hold on to them.
So that's why I'm not married yet.
And as far as the shots fired, you know, I feel like these LARPer conservatives are just living liberal lifestyles.
Like, bro, I walk the walk.
I don't just talk the talk, right?
Like, I stopped fornicating years ago because I actually take my walk with Jesus very seriously.
So I'm not just LARPing, bro.
Yo, A-B-Check.
Thank you for the gifted 20 subs, man.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Do you guys want to answer why you're not married?
Billy and I were actually speaking about this on the drive, not being married on the drive here, but what you were just saying, that a lot of people rush in to pick somebody and like who you decide to be the father of your children or the person who presents creates the children for you will be the single most important decision you make in your entire life.
That person, you're going to spend like what, 50,000 meals with them.
I saw something.
Like you eat so many meals with your significant other.
Make sure it's someone you actually like.
But I also would totally not encourage people to just rush in because they want to be in a relationship.
They want to get married and have kids.
It is so important to wait until you find that person that is the person that God intended for you because a broken home is the worst thing that you can have for children and just society at large.
So you need to do everything in your power.
And I also have a large problem with them allowing divorce just because you fell out of love.
That's like a newer thing with divorce.
And I think that creates so much room for people to just test things out.
Let's get married, not take it seriously.
But like, in my eyes, marriage is a union between a man and a woman under God's eyes.
And you should take that extremely seriously and don't play games with it.
Bay, some.
I completely agree.
I feel like it just like you, when you know, you know, you have to find the right person, that's exactly why you're not like married yet.
And that's completely fine.
Like, God's going to bring you the right person at any time in your life.
Like, it could be now or later.
Like, when I found my boyfriend, I would say, like, God brought me him for a reason.
I wasn't ready.
Like, I wasn't completely ready to have a relationship.
In fact, when I met my current boyfriend, I had a different boyfriend at the time.
And I feel like.
Did you break up with that boyfriend in favor of this boyfriend?
Not in favor of him.
No.
But there are all personal things.
That's what my grandma says.
Don't let your boyfriend stop you from meeting your husband.
But respectfully, don't cheat on people.
That's messed up.
Don't hurt people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What the frick?
Okay.
Oh, shit.
Did we miss one?
Hold on, guys.
I just, if I may add one thing too, to what Deborah was saying, like, I came from a broken home, and like, there's a lot of people out there who think, like, yes, I want to spend the rest of my life with this person, but they'll ignore like minor signs that there could be serious red flags, and then things fall apart down the line.
Like, it takes time to find the person that you're actually meant to spend the rest of your life with, you know?
And it's not something that you should just rush into.
Yeah.
And again, here in California, it's freaking hard to find girls with really solid values.
I'm from Manhattan.
I have the same struggle finding a conservative there.
Like, I make one comment and they're like, whoa, whoa.
I'm like, that's just the beginning of it.
It gets a lot worse.
Yeah.
Do you want to move on?
Yep.
We have Rippy here.
Thank you for the 100.
Hey, everyone.
Good to be back again.
Love supporting this platform where we can talk these topics.
One question: what's everyone's thoughts on a partner who is very much into Second Amendment?
Say he, she owns five plus firearms, date or eliminate.
By the way, Flan Life, thank you for the big, gifted 10 memberships, man.
Really appreciate all your support tonight.
Really appreciate it.
So, yeah, we have, let me pull that back up, though.
So, Rippy, so the question is: what's everybody's thoughts on a partner who eliminate Rippy the Second Amendment who owns five plus firearms?
Would you guys date them or is that a red flag?
I mean, five plus, I would have no problem with the Second Amendment or owning guns.
That's not a problem.
I just won't, I don't want to date someone who's like, I'm ready for the end of the world to end so I can just, you know, conquer with all my weapons and all that stuff.
Like, those people seem like a little bit of extremists to me, where I'm like, like, what does he have?
Like, if he's a five-plus, like, you know, I don't know, AR or 15 or whatever they can own legally here.
I don't know all the rules.
Yeah, like, that's like, okay, well, if he's like a few handguns and then a couple of bigger ones, sure, you're trying to protect the home.
But if it seems like an obsession, that worries me because I've seen a correlation between people who are obsessed with guns in that way and multiple red flags as well.
I would disagree with that correlation, but I understand your perspective.
What about you?
Into the mic, please.
Honestly?
My co-host.
I don't think I would care, but if it's like a weird...
You can't lower it.
Are you trying to lower it?
No.
I was, I was.
But then you said, well, then I heard that, so now I'm not.
Thank you.
I just think when people make guns, their whole personality is just like a red flag.
So I'm just like, whatever.
By talking.
But I mean, if you have like five guns for protection, like, cool.
I think five plus is a little excessive, but I'm going to have to agree with what both of you guys said.
I would date.
I don't mind as long as you do the right things with them.
Based.
Sorry, what was the question?
Question is, if you're talking to somebody who is into the Second Amendment, they have like five plus firearms.
Is that like a green flag or a red flag?
It's a green flag.
Green flag.
I want to be protected.
Make it six and get me a pink one.
Based.
I mean, are they going to be all six guns in their hands?
Like, what is the knife?
I have a quick question for everyone on the panel that just answered.
How, as women, when you go out and you're out at night and you're with your girls, right?
Like, you feel protected when you're in the group.
Because you're in a group.
But, like, what do you actually have to defend yourself?
Do you have pepper spray?
Is everyone carrying a pocket knife?
You do?
Work security or my boyfriend?
I have a pepper spray.
Nice.
You don't have anything?
I'm never out without usually security or my boyfriend.
I was just saying that, too.
But I do have a knife in my bag.
I can't own a gun anyway.
I was going to say, what if in the off chance you just happen to be alone?
Yeah, I have a knife.
I always carry my bar key, which has a very pointy end to it.
I'm usually with protection.
I would just push back because there's a large audience here.
I'd push back on the idea that it's a red flag if somebody has a lot of firearms.
I feel like in like liberals' minds, they often correlate that with like, oh, this person might be like potentially mentally unhinged.
They're like really focused on the concept of violence.
Almost all of the gun owners that I know that have a lot of guns are like literally like the most responsible, squared away people I've ever met in my life who I would trust with a firearm more than like almost anybody else I know.
Right?
Like they're typically very, very responsible, sober-minded people.
There's definitely that side, but I think it's ignorant.
It's the majority of people.
I think it's ignorant to ignore the side of America that we've gotten to now, especially since of all these mass shootings we've had.
People are now buying firearms en masse.
So it's changing from that being the majority to people who feel like they need guns to protect themselves, who are starting to get a little unhinged because they are so scared of people that they're like, I need to have my gun, I need to have this.
I do agree that that used to maybe be the majority, but even since the last Nashville one, we've seen a spike.
We've seen a spike in all of gun sales.
We've seen people who are buying guns that are not responsible gun owners who now own multiple guns because they're scared of someone coming in and just starting this thing.
All right, we're moving on from this conversation.
Eric, pull up the Twitch.
What?
Is there an issue with me wanting to move on the conversation?
Commission, this is my show.
No.
You're just saying what?
What?
I thought it was interesting because I'm curious if anyone's actually ever, if everyone here is actually fired.
Do you have an issue with me moving on the show?
No.
All right, so let's move on.
Okay, let me address the Dylan thing.
Is it like a terms of service thing?
Matt Walsh has just been demonetized on YouTube.
People are getting their videos removed.
They're getting copyright strikes.
This is my show.
So Chase, if I say, hey, we're not talking about that, this is my show.
You listen to what I say, and we're going to move on.
Unless you're prepared to financially support me, if I say I want to move on, we're moving on.
Okay?
If YouTube didn't have such a hardcore stance on this, we could talk about it.
But if I say we're moving on, we have to move on.
This is my show.
You're a guest on my platform.
Please respect it.
That's fine with me.
Both of you guys.
That's fine with me.
Yes, sir.
I just want to say for the record, Brian, the part that I supported of what he was saying was the positive things about femininity and what makes good womanhood.
That was the part that I was loving him riffing on.
But I'm not sure.
That's fine.
You can agree with him, but you can agree with him, but this is my show.
I'm trying to protect my platform.
And if I say, let's move on, and then you start egging him on saying, no, keep going, keep going, he's going to listen to you.
And he continued talking about it.
So I just need to be very careful because Matt Walsh just got canceled talking about this very fucking subject.
Okay?
It's a dating podcast, guys.
We can move on.
I apologize for not listening to you immediately, Brian.
It was just not something I was aware of.
That demonetization was on the who's Matt Walsh.
Conservative.
Conservative commentator.
Like, some of you guys are in the chat are also criticizing me.
Oh, free speech.
Guys, got to be careful.
We're on YouTube.
Okay.
Brian is running a business and he does need to protect it.
Let's talk about ovulation.
Anyone?
Depends on what you're talking about.
Eric, I have an idea of watching porn.
Depends on where Brian wants to take the conversation about.
Let's talk about the porn addiction and this kind of thing.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Brian, if you want to take it.
So let's see.
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Yeah, guys, just like, got to be careful on YouTube, you know?
So, yeah.
Do you want to do super chats?
We're all caught up on super chats.
Let me just double check here.
Did we do this one?
No.
Billy, you want to read this one?
Aw, I know who he is.
Billy Ray, love your content and love the fact that you've gone full throttle in your views.
I know you were a bit sheepish in the cameo you sent me last year when I inquired about Brett Cooper, but you really come into your own hope to one day go on a double date in Florida.
Aw.
Thank you, John.
It is true.
I was very scared to talk about my views, so I was very vanilla when I first started social media.
Okay, and then we have a comment here, but I wasn't able to pull it up.
Stiffler asked, ask everyone to rate themselves on a scale of one to ten.
So let's do that.
Kikyo, okay, we'll start with you.
Go ahead.
Ten.
A fat fucking 10.
A fat fucking 10?
I'm just hearing what everybody my mom is gonna say and be like, oh yeah, she's a female woman.
Is there a comma somewhere in that statement?
Honestly, I don't know.
What was said was said.
Okay.
I said what I said, and I meant what I said.
Okay.
Period.
On a scale of 1 to 10.
10.
Answers the same.
Were you a 10 last time?
Yeah, I was a 10 last time.
Billy Ray.
We should have waited till Deborah was back, but.
We'll come back to her.
I feel like I'm a 6.7.
Why the fuck would you ever say something like that?
Physically or overall?
Oh, I'm factoring everything in.
Really?
Yes.
With everything factored in?
You know, if I were to bring it to you.
Thank you, Marda.
Deborah, no long-term commitment, but we can make an agreement.
You'll sign a MDA, grow your hair out a bit, convert away from Judaism.
I'll coach you to speak a little less.
She's not even here.
Imagine her hearing this in the bathroom.
And you and my girlfriend can compete for my affections.
Yo, Mark Quavius, I'll trigger it again once she's back.
So don't worry about that.
Thank you, though.
Go ahead, Deborah.
Or sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead, Deborah.
What do you feel like you could improve on?
Toasty, I know you ain't tired of it.
I'm not going to put it from a 6.7 to like an 8 or a 9.
I feel like my fitness is lacking.
Okay, one point.
Fitness is lacking.
No, my appearance, I'm not a 10.
Fitness is lacking.
I disagree with people have given us.
Do you know where the rating scale comes from?
It's supposed to be if you line up 10 random men and you ask them, would you fuck her?
And they would say yes or no.
That's originally we're talking about.
That's not how it's going.
Well, now I'm getting a 10 rating scale.
Educate me where it came from.
If you know, tell me, tell me.
Well, just think about it.
Tell me.
Think about it intuitively.
If a 10 is like a perfect woman, like absolutely maxed out attraction.
10 is supposed to be on physical.
It's supposed to be on physical attraction for me.
We're not supposed to talk about personality.
Yeah, we're talking just physical attraction.
10 is like the most attractive woman you could possibly imagine.
Yes, it's 10 out of 10 for a reason because you're lining up 10 and you're counting how many points are you getting?
That's why.
What do you mean you're lining up 10?
We're supposed to be lining up 10 women come into this.
No, I'm saying 10 men, like or opposite gender of you.
I mean opposite gender of you.
You're supposed to be, it's the point is.
Are you tracking with this?
Deborah, you guys.
Where did it come from then?
Tell me.
Tell me where it came from.
It's just, it's like, like, okay, what are you, like, if you're a five, then you're, like, very like average.
If you're like an eight.
Because five out of ten people would would be with you.
No, that's not what.
That's not, that's not what it is.
No, I'm just saying.
It's not how many people would be with you.
It's like, like, ten is physical perfection.
Yes, I understand that.
I'm not screaming with you.
Not because ten guys would sleep with you.
Like, you could have a girl who's like a seven and ten guys would all sleep with her.
But that doesn't mean that she's a ten.
Yeah, I didn't factor in who would sleep with me in my rating.
But we're talking about off of attraction.
It's not about how many men would sleep with you.
Okay, thank you.
We're talking about attractiveness.
Do you truly believe on a skill base that you're a 6.9?
She said 6.7.
6.7, yeah.
That honestly would make you a six in my eyes because it's your confidence level.
You're doubting yourself.
You're saying your humility brings her down.
It's a fucking ad block is.
You got that.
Thank you.
Close that.
No one's talking about it.
F1 still see us.
Yeah, we're good.
We're good.
No, compared to all of the women in the world, I'm rating myself on that scale.
Me compared to every woman in the world.
I feel like it'd be the same if you said you're a perfect 10 that people are always going to hate.
I think as well, just go with delusion, I really believe.
Kiko, going back to this whole, if you lined up 10 people and if they all wanted to sleep with you, that makes you a 10.
Okay, so they all found you attractive.
I was just trying to, I was just going to say, yeah, but that's a binary.
Yes or no?
Are they attractive?
However, there's degrees to attractiveness.
Exactly.
That's why it's supposed to be like 10 random people, like maybe from all over the world, like not just 10 people from San Francisco, or just 10 people from LA.
That's the way to do it.
I've never heard that.
Yeah, I've never heard that again.
That's not.
Okay, well, that's not what we mean.
Where are you looking at anything else?
Okay, no, it's like this.
It's like degree.
It's like the hottest possible Victoria's secret model.
Just physical.
Hold on.
Just physical perfection is a 10.
How might you compare yourself to her?
Do you think you think you're like the most attractive specimen that's ever walked this earth?
I wouldn't say there's not people who are with the most attractive that have ever walked this earth.
Can I answer?
We give you permission.
Thank you.
I mean, he's like, keeps shooting things.
I mean, he hasn't really let me respond.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Yes, but that's saying that there's only one 10 in the world.
There's not only one 10.
There's multiple 10s in the world.
That's not how I'm going to be able to do that.
And I'm up.
Yeah, I'm saying yes.
The TikTok has gotten into your brain, Kiko.
I don't use TikTok really.
You have a TikTok called Rage Quick Kiko.
I know, but I just made that.
I have like 900 followers.
How is 900 followers getting into my head?
Yes, Kiko.
Thank you, Brian.
Okay, I've never heard that.
I wish you had explained that before, but that's not how you define that.
That's it right there.
Sean Mays.
Thank you.
10 perfect.
Nine, very beautiful.
Eight, beautiful, seven, very pretty.
So much handsome.
So you're six, pretty handsome, five average, four, below average, three, unattractive, two, very unattractive.
One, hideous.
Rate accordingly.
Hashtag Christ is Lord.
Let's ten.
So you think you're like physical.
You're not a 6.7.
All things.
Kiko, you're a 10 in delusion.
You don't want me to what you are, Brian.
That's right.
Well, I don't think I'm a 10.
I know that.
I would hope not, but that's not insane.
I mean, overall, you don't want me to tell her what you are.
So I heard I got a super chat while I was gone.
Yeah, let's get back to my chat.
I want it to be about me.
We were rating.
No, we are.
Yeah, yeah.
We're going to make it about you.
We're rating ourselves on physical attractiveness.
What would you give yourself out of 10?
Oh, I don't know if I want it to be about me anymore.
Just answer honestly.
Purely physical.
Purely physical.
Almost all of them on that side gave themselves 10s.
Yeah, I'd say like 8.8.
Because there's always more beautiful people in the world, but I know I don't know.
Is that a Hitler reference?
Are you asking me that because I'm Jewish?
Because fuck you.
No.
But 8.8.
All right.
818 is Kendall Jenner's horrible tequila.
Do you think a Jew is making a Hitler reference on your story?
Yeah, seriously.
I told you that before I said Hitler.
Jews get the pass to make the Hitler joke.
But we don't.
Why are you so offended?
You're a third Jewish or something.
Why are you so offended?
I'm not offended.
What do you mean?
You sounded pretty offended.
Is that a Hitler reference?
No, I wasn't offended.
Okay.
Why was I?
Were you excited?
No, I was just, I was making a joke.
Okay.
It's a joke.
8.8.
Damn.
I don't know.
I think there is an objective attractiveness for people, and I think a lot of that is like the beauty standard.
Actually, because I wasn't here for the beginning part, a lot of it comes from the golden ratio.
People whose face is the golden ratio and they're symmetrical, that is what attractiveness is.
That's why when we see things, we're like, that's aesthetic.
It's aesthetic to everyone because there's certain things that are pleasing to the eye, like having matching face, a strong jawline, things that that's what makes things beautiful.
Golden ratio goes back to like ancient days.
So I think in that sense, I have some of those things.
But also, like, I don't know who I could name as a perfect 10, because for me, at least, it's hard with looks because I think, like, if you're an ugly person, you could be so hot, but I will see you as a one.
Because if you're a bad person, it's hard.
That's why, like, with the person who's like, when someone opens their mouth, they drop 10 notches.
I'm like, I am a lot about who you are on the inside also determines how I feel about you on the outside.
Yes, this is very true.
Also, respect for being an aesthetics respecter.
And the golden ratio reference, that is what underlies true beauty.
Beauty is objective, in my opinion.
That's how they built all the beautiful ancient ruins by using that ratio.
So if it's still beautiful nowadays, I think it will stand the test of time the way body powder will not be.
Chase, are any girls at this table of 10?
No.
Okay, what do you have to say about that?
I thought we were rating ourselves factoring.
Looks, it's just looks.
I feel like I'd have a different answer if we were just saying just.
That was the question.
You know, I'm the opposite of the pressure.
Well, what is overall?
When they asked, like, rate yourself out of 10, I wasn't thinking like just looks just like yourself, like, as a person.
Yeah, no, you're just your physical appearance.
Do you want me to re-answer?
Yeah.
I would say like seven.
Oh, okay.
All right.
What about for you?
Still 10?
Not just a 10, a fat.
Hey, she's a baddie all around.
Baddies are a full-time job.
Certified.
Certified.
Licensing.
Certified baddie, 10, whatever.
But like, I'm also not going to come for anybody who has a preference.
Like, it is what it is.
Like, in some people's eyes, I'm probably like a one.
In some people's eyes, I'm a fat fucking 10.
So I don't know.
I mean, I'm still afraid of the power.
Is there a comma in that sentence?
Okay.
I feel like no one would date someone they didn't think was a, or at least marry someone that they didn't think was a 10 because, like, why would you want to be with someone that you're like, I could find hot.
But don't you think it is delusional to consider yourself a 10?
For those of you who rated yourselves a 10.
No.
No.
Whether in appearance or total package.
I don't think it's like thinking that you're the perfect person, but just being like confident.
Dude, any person who says, I am a 10 is basically saying, I have zero room for improvement.
I'm perfect.
That's not what I said.
I said, 10 years.
That's what I hear, though.
Okay, but that was fine.
I love that.
And I think it's delusional for improvement.
So this is what he just, when she said that, I clarified if we would ask about our overall personality person as we are as a whole, I wouldn't give myself as a 10.
But as attraction level, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm peak athleticism.
I'm pretty symmetric face.
I would give myself a 10 right now.
I'm not your peak athleticism.
Sorry, peak.
What's your 40-yard down?
Yeah, what's your 40-year-old?
How many blocks?
How would you word if you understand this?
Peak fitness.
I'm almost at my peak fitness, not yet.
I would say so.
Yeah, so I would give myself a 10 in that way.
I'm not improving because you're just saying, oh, you could always, you're saying you can't be better.
Yeah, I can improve maybe my personality things about me, but for as looks-wise, there's not much improvement that's happening unless I get some outside help.
I do think plastic surgery?
I would not get plastic surgery.
I think I've only gotten hotter with time.
I'm just going to get plastic surgery, but wait, Ryan, you think I would just say that?
Just like fine wine.
What can I say?
Do you think I would get plastic surgery?
What would I change?
What would I change?
I think we should move on.
I think we should move on.
I think we should change it.
Let's get rich.
I want to know, Sam, what would you rate yourself physically out of 10?
Physically out of 10, because I'm like 5'8, I'm like a 5.
I think I have a handsome face.
It's like a 7.
But because I'm so sure I should just join the circus, I'm like a 5.
However, what would you do in the circus?
I'd like to be a woman and be a bearded woman.
Yeah, but Sam, you're really, you're physically fit, right?
You're like super physically fit.
So doesn't that boost you up a bit?
You mean like in terms of physical attractiveness?
Yeah, you're physically.
Not only is he physically fit, but he's a stone-cold killer, bro.
You should see him on your phone.
Are you a black belt?
I'm not a black belt, but I'm going to be subbing some black belts this weekend, bro.
Let's go.
Let's go.
But no, yeah, I would say, okay, physically, I would say more like a six.
But no, you don't agree, Kiko?
What am I on it today?
No, I'm not going to say that.
I just think it's terrible to say that about yourself.
I would never want to date a man who's a good person.
Just because holistic appraisal is humility.
What is your boyfriend?
I'm not finished.
I don't know.
He probably rated himself a 10, and I know he's a 10.
He's five.
Can you text him?
Text him and then go ahead and I would say all things considered because we're just doing physical attractiveness, but I don't want to do that because as a man, you provide value.
There's so much more to a man's personality or to a man than just how he is.
I mean, I've heard from women that depending on a man's personality, his like physical frame literally changes for them when he owns who he is and when he brings the right energy.
So in that sense, I would say an eight because I'm not yet where I want to be in life, but I'm getting there.
I totally agree.
And that's something that I don't know if it's just like I'm the only person in the history of the world to ever feel this way.
It's probably unlikely, but I have not met any other people really close to me that have had the same experience.
It's very rare for me to find a guy and be like, he's so hot.
Like just off the cup, seeing off the cusp, seeing him like across the room, be like, wow, that guy is like a perfect 10.
I think that's half that just people are very ugly these days because they don't take care of themselves.
But also, I definitely am somebody that like the more I am attracted to somebody's personality, the hotter they look to me.
And someone who, if I just looked at them and I was like, oh, they're a seven, if I started talking to them and found out that they were like a really great man of God, strong personality, very masculine, I'd be like, wow, in my eyes, he's a 10.
And I feel like everyone should feel that way about their partner.
They may have the objective looks, but when you get to know them, their total person is a 10.
Base.
And that's what I was going to say to you when you said, like, why would you want to date someone that's not physically a 10?
And it's like, well, all things considered, you have to look at their values and you have to look at everything else.
Like, ideally, you're not going to date anyone below like an eight.
And you're going to be, at that point, you're like, you're really attracted to someone who's an eight.
And then working on that, you can be even more attracted to them based on how their personality is and how you compliment them.
The combination.
But let me ask you something.
When you look at a guy, and this is for anyone can answer, when you look at a guy, is like what makes him physically attractive kind of having a more feminine, beautiful face to you?
Or is it having like more of a rugged, like masculine look?
Because I've seen girls look at like Timothy Chalamé and look at like these guys that look like they have like, they have defined bone structure and they're aesthetic and they have the golden ratio, but they just come off.
They just, they have like a skinny neck.
It's all men are ugly.
Or it's men who come together.
They're too perfect that they're ugly.
Hold on, let's go one by one.
I feel like teenager teenage girls like those like Timothy Chalamet type guys, but once they like grow older, they like the more magic masculine.
That's a good question, though, Sam.
That's a good question.
Right?
I definitely agree with you that, well, I don't know if you actually made the, you didn't make a determination on that, but I like the question.
We can go around on that.
So do you prefer like a more kind of like feminine but attractive looking guy or more like rugged masculine?
I'm from Manhattan, so I'm definitely not going for the lumberjacks, but I also do like a little yee-haw in there.
Like I like the look of a guy who takes care of himself, but also is like a man.
Like I, I was on a date with somebody, okay?
We were walking after dinner and we passed Sephora and he's like, oh my God, I'm a rouge.
The sale's going on.
Yikes.
I'm like, who the hell?
What guy is spending $1,000 at Sephora?
I'm not even a Rouge.
I buy a lot of skincare and makeup.
At that moment, I was like, if you take, it sucks for men because if you guys don't take any care of yourselves, it's like, ew, you're gross.
And if you take too good care of yourselves, it's like, oh, he's gay.
So there's no balance and you guys just lose.
Sorry.
Good talk.
So he didn't get to see him.
I want to go back to the city.
Good balance is like, my boyfriend doesn't really care.
But then if I'm like doing something, he'd be willing for me to like let it.
They think of two steps in carotene, not much more.
Cleanser, moisturizer.
Yeah, boyfriend's responsible.
I don't care if that, yeah, I think he invited me to sleep.
So, to go back to what you were saying about a guy and his physical attractiveness and stuff, one of the things that I've pretty much universally noticed about women is like they can see a guy who's very physically attractive, but if his energy is off, instantly becomes unattractive.
And on top of that, as well, I've met a lot of women who will see a guy who isn't very physically attractive.
He might be short, might be a little bit out of shape, but if his energy is super on point and he's like funny and confident, he becomes like the hottest guy in the world to them.
Would you like to know?
Tell me if you guys agree with girls and guys.
If you agree or disagree with this, there is, I feel like, room.
I honestly, I absolutely just forgot what I was going to say.
What were you saying?
I was saying, like, a guy cannot be conventionally physically attractive, but if his energy is super on point, he can become like the hottest guy in the world.
So, I think this is a girl versus guy difference.
I think girls fall in love with potential in a way that guys don't.
I know a lot of girls who will stay in things.
We're like, wow, he has great potential.
Like, he may not have the exact looks, but like, I could get him to work out more.
And I know a lot of women who stay for the guy's potential, whereas I think guys are a little bit more like clear-cut about it.
Like, if she's right for me now, great.
If she's not, it's over.
It's not going to work.
So, I do think women are probably more likely to stay with somebody that they're like iffy about than guys, but teacher are you?
Okay, let me specify the question even further.
Has there been a guy in your past where you were like, he's not like physically super attractive, but his energy was on point and you found him very attractive?
Yes, absolutely.
He was short.
That was the problem.
He was 5'9.
would he still have a chance despite being 5'9 if his like his personality was extremely tall Well, he was also like, he was a learned man of valor.
And I think those are very rare to find these days.
And that is like a diamond.
What does that mean?
A learned man of valor.
Can you explain that for the audience?
Yes.
Despite not being college-educated, he was very well-rounded about just different culture, different things, history.
He would teach me a lot.
He would know a lot about things.
And he also had a lot of different interests rather than just like, let's squat up on Fortnite.
He's like reading theories and just teaching me a lot.
And he's like rugged, not in the sense of like lumberjack rugged, but like down to earth, really in tune with just like the world, but like in a godly way.
Not like a man of the world, but he's a man of God who understands the world.
And I really appreciate people who just have similar outlooks to me on life too.
And you said he was 5'9?
On a good day.
On a good day.
All right, so he's like 5'8.
Did you date him?
Would you date him?
Kind of, a little bit.
Kind of a little bit.
Yeah, but he also wasn't Jewish, so there wasn't anywhere.
If he was Jewish, would you date him?
Yeah.
Is this the guy that red-pilled you on the golden ratio?
No, those were like, that's just stuff that you learn when you're younger.
I feel like everyone, well, I went to private school, so I don't know what's happening in public school.
Oh, he went to private school.
Jewish school.
Yeah.
Catholic.
That's why.
That's why what, Sam?
That's why she, you know, she has like literal ancient knowledge.
Oh, because you don't really read these things in school.
You have to read these in philosophical guy.
Martin donated $200.
Deborah, no long-term commitment, but we can make an agreement.
You'll sign ANDA, grow your hair out a bit, convert away from Judaism.
I'll coach you to speak a little less and fly you out private.
And you and my girlfriend can compete for my affections.
Your response to Mark Quavius, Martin, Deborah.
This is a really tempting offer.
I'm not going to lie.
Like the NGA mixed in there, that really just gets me going.
Unfortunately, no.
Oh.
Martin donated $200.
Thanks, Martin.
Deborah, some other issues.
You don't have a cuss at my boy, Brian.
His very essence demands respect and not ladylike.
Need to lose that apple watch.
I'll put a Rolex on it if you behave yourself.
And you haven't gotten hotter with time.
Ask the biologist.
Thanks for your money.
We're going to take a look at that.
Thank you, Markavius.
Well, Rollies will not.
I'm going to have a Mint busted down to Toe and Rolex one day, but that doesn't tell me how many calories I burn during the day, and that doesn't measure my Pilates classes for me.
So I'm rocking with the Apple Watch these days.
But sorry, Brian, you need the internet people to defend you.
I think Brian is a strong man.
He said, don't cuss at you.
I think Brian is a strong man, and he don't need no internet people defending him.
But to the person beforehand, no, I would never convert from Judaism.
I'm an extremely proud Jew today until the end of time.
And in terms of competing for your girlfriend, do I look like I would compete?
Thank you.
Does it change anything if so?
You're not a 10, though?
Let me just.
Did he say that?
No, but I mean, you won't compete.
Usually, I'm not the type of girl who competes for affection.
True.
Does it change anything that Marquavius Martin is a Mensa member and so very high IQ and he owns like 40 Quiznos restaurants?
Does that change Quiznos is like the sandwich apps?
Does that add to the calculus of whether you would date him or not?
Yeah, I'm really gonna know.
Honestly, no.
I'm one of those people that, like, the same way I was having a conversation at dinner last night, somebody was telling me he's an agent here.
One of his people he manages has made $28 million on OnlyFans in her lifetime.
And we were talking about that.
I was like, I just don't feel there's any amount of money that can pull me away from my morals and my values.
And I think it's the same, even if it's 100 Quiznos, even if it's 1,000 Quiznos.
What if he owns a couple Taco Bows?
10,000.
I've never.
10,000 Taco Bow.
Okay.
I'm not a fast food girly.
Kosher.
Yo, there's time for that, Deborah.
Time to Revolt.
Donated 100.
I wonder if all of the people watching on YouTube started watching on Rumble.
Would the guests be allowed to speak freely?
These hot button issues affect all facets of life.
Shut up, guys.
Shut the fuck up.
Brian coming down on his guests on behalf of YouTube is gross to watch.
Hey, it is what it is.
A lot of these social media companies are super woke.
We kind of look, you know, we got to play by their rules, is what it is.
It is an interesting question, though.
Hypothetically, if you could bring all of your guests from YouTube to Rumble, would you just let it rip more?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, Rumble would on Rumble, you can say anything.
I've actually, I'm, I actually know the owners of Rumble.
I've known them for like 10 plus years.
Dude, after the success of the video, you should hit them up and be like, yo, like, we're one of the top podcasts on YouTube.
Let's make a deal.
There's some negotiations.
There's already some negotiations going on with Rumble.
So I don't want to.
It's taking 40 Quiznos?
I typically don't speak about it.
Yeah, it's your followers would direct.
I'm speaking with Rumble.
That's cool.
Tell your followers they should direct their energy not towards Brian.
It's not his fault that he has to censor himself so that he doesn't lose his business.
Directed to the government to repeal Section 230, which allows social media companies to violate our First Amendment.
Thank you very much.
Let's go.
Let's go.
So base.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Free Brian.
Free my boy.
Thank you.
Free Brian.
Hold on, guys.
Hold on, hold on.
Brixon, love your Brixon.
But please move to Rumble.
Also, read your audience.
Case brings the topics people are craving to hear.
Those that cause polemic and incite debate.
Do not scold him.
Praise him for boosting engagement in your channel.
Hashtag Christie Slord.
Eve, thank you for the $200 super chat.
Chase is a homie.
Sam's a homie.
I just like, we, because we're on YouTube, gotta be careful.
It's my primary source of income.
It's my business.
So I just have to tread carefully.
But like Deborah was saying, like, I think these platforms are doing a disservice to public discussions on these topics by being so censorious.
So.
Yeah, and Eve, I don't take offense to him scolding me.
I mean, he's walking a tight line with these discussions, and YouTube is very, they're very dignity and sensitive in particular.
I don't hold it against him.
I think he's a smart man to do what he has to do.
Did they, with Matt Walsh, did they demonetize his videos from advertising?
Or like Super Chat?
His YouTube channel.
Demonetized.
He's moving to Twitter to Shannon.
He can't bring in any income, even through Super Chat.
He's moving to Twitter, fully.
Wow.
He's losing like five figures of ad revenue, I think.
That's crazy.
No, I don't get how six figures.
Is it six figures?
$100,000.
Oh, did he?
I thought he was...
Really?
I mean, he's got a very popular YouTube channel, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's his YouTube-based ad revenue, but it's a lot of money.
If this continues, I feel like it's eventually going to catalyze a mass exodus away from this platform.
They've tried.
People have tried making alternatives, but I think it's hard because YouTube isn't just like some bun platform.
We literally spoke about this.
YouTube has been on our iPhone since the first iPhone came out.
And these companies that got in when there wasn't any other social media, they have such chokeholds and monopolies on the industry that there's no room for anybody to come out.
They're just going to get squashed right away.
And like if half the people leave, then the majority are still on these apps.
And then we're just all divided and everyone's views goes down.
Yeah.
Rumble, I mean, Rumble is doing well.
They've been able to attract some decent personalities over to their platform.
And I think they are starting to compete to some degree with YouTube.
But I mean, like, if you, I mean, you really, no one's really competing with YouTube in the sense of like, I mean, you have Twitch, which is actually more censorious than YouTube.
Twitch is way, has way stricter.
Yeah, Twitch is way stricter than YouTube when it comes to a lot of these topics.
And you can't even like certain words that are like the most tame words you can't even say if you're streaming on Twitch.
And the crazy thing with Twitch is they'll straight out, straight up ban your channel.
You'll get like a three-day, seven-day ban on Twitch.
And your channel's not, you can't even see the channel.
Whereas on YouTube, it'll just be like, you'll be demonetized for a period of time or you can't upload for a period of time.
But your content is still there.
Your channel's still there.
But on Twitch, it's like you're erased from the platform entirely for like three days, seven days a month.
Like TikTok?
Twitch.
Oh, TikTok's also terrible when it comes to censorship.
But it's like they'll censor the most crazy things, but then I'm scrolling on TikTok and I'll have this girl who's acting like she's getting hit from behind on my on live.
Like it's literally in my life.
I get her on my live stream, my for you page.
I'm reading the book and there's like children.
Like there'll be ladies reading a book and they'll be like halfway off the screen and they'll like bounce back and forth to make it look like they're being or like ladies working out in the gym but like barely wearing anything just bending over the whole time and like that's all allowed but you can't even just say your opinion.
I've seen like birth on TikTok.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
Bro, what is happening?
I saw it like last week.
Because like they're they're allowed to say it's medical.
Like with all those fine lines know if TikTok is going away.
Because aren't there rumors that it's going away?
It's all scared tactics.
You know what else was happening at the time?
A lot of bad things.
It's always a distraction when these things come.
TikTok was like the least important thing on that.
Yeah, last time TikTok was supposed to be banned.
Hillary Clinton was on trial for her emails.
So there's like a lot of things that happened.
I know how that went.
It didn't.
All right.
I'm not sure how to pronounce this.
Fiash.
Sweden.
Is this Swedish kroner?
I don't know.
Thank you for the $2,500 Swedish currency, I believe.
This is a good discussion.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Okay, let's get into our topic for tonight.
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Let me just shout out to Twitch people and we're going to get into our one of our first topics here.
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Speak about Section 233.
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Okay.
Eric, can you pull up the Leonardo DiCaprio infographic?
We went on Noel's podcast about this.
Here we go.
So, Leonardo DiCaprio, I believe he's, what, 45?
He consistently dates women between the ages of 18 to 25.
He's not dated a woman, I suppose, as far as maybe he has, just his long-term girlfriends, anyways, that's older than 25.
He likes young, beautiful, attractive women.
And he's gotten some flack for this.
So, and you know what's interesting, though?
There does, we don't know the details of the breakups.
We don't know if the women are breaking up with him.
We don't know what's going on.
Maybe there's people making some assumptions here that he's dumping them at 25.
Maybe the women are just realizing that he doesn't want children, he doesn't want to get married, and they want to pursue someone to have a family with.
You know what it could also be?
It might become like a self-fulfilling prophecy where, like, once the girls start getting close to 25, they're like, oh shit, I know that he always breaks up with girls at 25.
I got a dip.
Could be, could be.
Break up with him before he breaks up with you.
Yeah, yeah, actually.
Defense tactics.
Could be.
So, what's your reaction to that, Kiko?
He's 45 dating women who are in their early 20s.
I know what Kiko thinks about this.
Kiko.
Or, you know.
Kurt Go Bay.
Yeah, we'll see.
Yeah.
Go.
I feel the times when men are older than 40 and are in a relationship with somebody underneath the age of 21 and it's a one or two off time.
So be it.
They met.
But a man over the age of 40 who chooses to exclusively date 18 or 19 year olds, I find that a bit weird.
It feels like they want a power dynamic.
It feels like they can't find a woman over that age because it's like, what?
Oh, because the evidence that you guys say to me that why an 18-year-old is so much better to date than a 25-year-old is just, it lacks.
It lacks luster for me every single time.
So if you want to go through the details again.
Well, before, sure, before we give our rebuttal, I want to let everybody answer.
So your thoughts.
That was fucking weird.
Turns into American Idol every day.
Is this like a guy who like perfect, like especially if he's older and he like seeks out younger girls like that?
Younger girls?
Sorry.
You're familiar.
I don't know.
What happened to your gloves, by the way?
I missed those.
I took them off.
My funkin LCD kicked in.
We love our gloves.
I'm here for them too, but like.
It's too much.
Yeah.
Got it.
I've served a luck for a while.
I think it gave all I gave.
And it's still serving.
Okay, sure.
Yeah, it's just weird.
That's just weird to me.
Like a guy who purposely seeks out younger girls.
It's like it just isn't weird.
Into the mic.
I don't know if I'll talk about that.
That's fine.
That's fine.
We'll move on.
Go ahead.
I think it's weird when it's that big of an age difference, especially when if they've like just turned 18, 19.
I feel like it's a little strange, but I mean, he's rich and famous.
So if you weren't dating a guy right now, would you date Leonardo DiCaprio?
No.
Stop.
Stop the caps.
I wouldn't have to.
I wouldn't date you, so bro.
I wouldn't.
I don't find it.
I don't think you guys realize the opportunity a lot of women have to date or be with like celebrities or I'm not saying to say that, but like he's not attractive to me in the slightest, like I would not even for the money, could I do that.
Like I value myself in my life, I would shoot my brains out, probably a year in, so why even do it?
Okay, plus guns.
I feel like so many women say that, but the reality is, if I value my happiness, saw him in person and he was like hey, so how you doing?
You'd be like hi, that's true.
You know, I feel like you would just be starstruck.
I don't think you would immediately want to leave starstruck.
It happens.
I would not date him.
Though did you guys ever see that clip when Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend, slash wife, ran into Leonardo DiCaprio and he's like standing on the stair and she's looking up at him, like yeah, I would definitely like that's.
That's what would happen to 99.9.
You're not from here, are you?
Hold on, hold on.
That's what would happen to 99.9% of women if they just happened to run into Leonardo DiCaprio.
You'd be starstruck.
And if he was like, if he was like hey, so like you know what's your name.
What are you doing later?
You want to go grab a drink, like you're telling me?
You'd be like no, I'm not interested.
Well, on top of that, on top of what Chase just said, no chance.
There's gonna be a whole entourage surrounding him and you're gonna see men going up to him wanting to get attention, women wanting his attention.
You're gonna see this social component of the fame and you're gonna find that, like you don't even have to intellectualize that there's something like women will see that and be like, that's the fucking man.
Yep, I would bet.
I would bet in a situation, in a situation he's describing, I bet a thousand dollars every single girl at this table would if he asked them out.
Just because you would do that, for no, I win doesn't mean that we want to do that for Leonardo DiCaprio.
He's so ugly to me like he's literally hideous, like money can't do that.
He's a good looking guy.
He's not to me at all.
He looks like a fucking, like the Lord Of The Rings chubby, like.
Yeah, he's not cute, his head is chubby, his head is a ball walking bold, he's full Of wrinkles, he's hideous, in my opinion.
Honestly, he's even when he was younger, maybe when he was like in his like teens, when he titanic phase, he was like a little bit of a body in the technician.
So, physical parents quite a lot.
Yeah, he does.
So, physical parents, he could be the best, he could be a literal movie star.
Hey, hey, hey, everybody in the chat, everybody in the chat.
Let us know if you think that they're capping.
Do you guys think that they're telling the truth?
Brian, bring in Leonardo Capio right now.
Billy and I went on Michael Knoll's podcast about this exact topic, and we both said that we would not date him.
I have a great reason.
Stop the cap.
Wait, hold on, really quick.
I just got check.
Eric, can you scroll back up?
Is your reason based on principle?
Yo, hold on, hold on.
No, when you get to me, I'll explain it.
I beat my Wi-Fi.
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That's a great name, by the way.
I beat my Wi-Fi.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
You think that's a great name?
Is that a funny?
I beat my wife.
It's funny.
Look at those caps.
Look at the caps.
Look at the caps.
Oh, there's a topic.
Samming caps.
Let's see more topics.
Spam the caps.
Ray Yarizbeth believes them.
Everybody else says that they're capping.
They say one of the most critically acclaimed actors of our generation.
And he's a very talented actor, too.
Dude, it's just every match.
Every woman responds to status and power in a man.
And no matter how principled a woman can say, that doesn't mean that she's necessarily going to date him, but there's something in every woman.
When they meet a powerful man with high status who is admired, who's like a charismatic guy, like women respond to that.
I saw you shaking your head.
You're saying no?
No.
So I'll give the exact answer I gave on the Michael Knowles show.
I understand why he goes for younger women.
He can.
He can.
He can attract a lot of women.
And I also see why he wants that type of women because they're pure.
And if he's able to attract, you know, a new pure woman every five years, then why not?
That's what men are attracted to.
I would not date him because, well, let me go back to that.
Since he keeps going through these girls, he's never going to have the traditional family.
He's never going to have the nuclear family.
And I think you find true fulfillment in the nuclear family.
And I think you're here to create a family.
And he's not going to find fulfillment.
And I will not date somebody that's not looking for that.
So that's fair.
You're a principled woman who has something that you're specifically looking for.
And he doesn't want that.
And so it's like, it's a no for you.
But what I was saying, and what I'm asking if you're disputing, is the idea that you wouldn't at least be somewhat like there wouldn't be a part of you that would be interested.
Like, wow, this extremely high-status guy who the entire world admires is taking an interest in me.
Like, that wouldn't excite you at all.
I've had high-status guys reach out to me multiple times.
Check any of our GMs.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Any of our GMs.
We have it open to us on every single day.
It's not as hard as you guys think.
We already have this opportunity.
I got NBA players, NFL players, movie stars, UFC players.
UFC players.
Spiders.
Who at Leonardo DiCaprio's level has hit you up, though?
I had a great conversation with Andrew Tate.
Did you?
Nice.
Yeah, but see, a principled woman isn't going to be attracted to Andrew Tate unless she's into this.
I don't know any woman who'd be attracted to Andrew Tipper.
Andrew Tate slid into his face.
I know.
And shout out Samira Khan.
We're trying to set her up as one of Tate's wives.
I don't want to get beat in my marriage.
One of my friends.
Hold on.
That's slander.
Andrew Tate would beat you.
He seems like the type of guy to beat the shit out of his wife.
Are you straight up?
Are you basing that on?
Are you kidding me?
Are you basing that on his videos with his ex who wanted him to work?
No, on his demeanor as a guy and the way he thinks about women and the way that he sees them.
The difference between a godly man and a man who sees the value in a woman in his life is that, like you said, he wants to be a man worthy of submission.
What has Andrew Tate done to be worthy of submission?
He doesn't give off this sense of like, I'm a strong leader, both for myself, my community.
I'm a stronger leader in religion.
Like, there's just a lot of qualities that give off a strong man who's like a good man.
Being a strong man isn't equal with a good man, and I just have never seen like any side of him that made me think that he wouldn't beat his wife.
He seems like a pretty strong man.
Yeah, so, all right, I don't agree with like a lot of the stuff that Andrew Tate has said and done in his life.
However, I will absolutely dispute the idea.
Sorry, Chase.
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So Tate, I want to finish my point.
Yeah, yeah, you were talking about Tate.
Go ahead.
Although I disagree with a lot of the things he's said and done in his life, like part of the reason why he does attract a lot of women is because he is a strong leader and he is very protective.
Doesn't mean he's like a good leader in terms of religion or like religious moral values and stuff, but like guarantee his girlfriends know, okay, if this guy loves me, he's going to protect me and he's going, like, I'm going to be safe with him.
I think it depends what women want because something like I've made it very clear I would never settle for anyone less than like a malely masculine man, but I also appreciate the soft side of men where like they're hard to everybody else.
It's kind of like the guy who's bad to like a bad guy to everybody else, but they're very sweet and soft for you.
I definitely appreciate that side of men and I don't see that reflected in him.
Like I couldn't imagine if you're like crying just personality wise, not really based off his mind.
But you're also basing that off of what he portrays on social media.
Exactly.
That's what it is though.
That's all we could base it off.
I could base it off of.
If I met him, maybe I'd have a different take.
I don't know if he's still in prison right now or not.
If I ever make it to Romania, I'll hit him up.
And let's not act like we just see him doing a little bit of videos here and there.
We've seen hour long of him talking about his points of views and how he is as a person.
So we kind of do get to see, even if it is a facade or not, if that's a facade that he wants to take on, I don't want to be a part of that.
I want to make it very clear.
I don't disagree with everything he says.
I'm not one of those people that's just like an Andrew Tate hate.
Okay, so let's bring it back to Leonardo DiCaprio.
What was the original question?
So while we were reacting to this infographic of basically he doesn't date older women or women his age, and we were going around getting everyone's reaction to that.
I don't know if you got to kind of give your take on just basically, hey, here's Leonardo DiCaprio.
Oh, what do you think?
He's 45 or something.
He's dating women in their early 20s, basically.
Love is love.
I'm not judging.
But you wouldn't date him.
I wouldn't date him.
Okay.
I wouldn't date him.
Even if you're single.
Even if I was single, I don't know.
Leonardo steps to you.
He's 18.
He's, what, 45?
I know he goes for girls my age.
But I don't go for guys that are 45.
Rip.
Sorry, sorry.
R.I.P.'s in the chat for Leonardo DiCaprio.
So R.S.
But yeah, like again, like no judgment.
Like, is it right?
I don't think it's completely right, but...
Why is that?
Because that's like dating my father.
My father's 47.
Well, no, but that would be incest.
You're not related to Leonardo DiCaprio.
No, no, no.
You know what I mean?
Like, in the same age group.
What's your oldest you would date?
Probably like 22, 23.
What's old is everyone here today?
I'm very serious.
That's a good question.
Where is everyone from?
30 to 35, 30, probably.
And you're 23?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, you had an issue with that the last time we were on the show.
I'm 23 years old.
I'm not 18.
I know, but you were saying guys in their like 30s to mid-30s.
I said 30s pets.
Who had interest in 18 to like 25-year-olds?
I never said that.
Yeah, it was like 23, 25.
That was your mom.
I never said that.
I said 30-plus-year-old men who consistently only date 18 and 19-year-olds.
My whole point is always being understood.
It was early 20s as well.
My point has always been under 21.
I've had this belief for a very long time.
And when you tell me that I misspoke what you said, I agree with you.
So I'm telling you right now, maybe if there were 60, yeah, I said it's weird if she's 23, but 30 plus.
It was specific.
Yeah, it was specifically 18 to 30 years ago.
I would never say a five-year age gap is weird.
So don't put words in my fucking mouth.
We could pull up the footage.
We could pull it up.
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I got an interesting question to reframe things.
Reframe things for the ladies.
Okay, we know your guys' answers.
For you two.
I know that you're committed to your boyfriend.
You probably love him a lot.
Imagine that you were single.
Imagine Leonardo DiCaprio had this like conversion and he was like, you know, I'm going to be a Christian or I'm going to be Jewish.
And then he comes upon you guys and he's like, hey, like, I don't want to keep dating around anymore.
I want to get married and have a family.
Would you guys be open to it with a guy like Leonardo DiCaprio?
No?
Well, personally, I think he's also been with too many women for me.
And publicly, like, that's just something I'm not a fan of.
But he's also just not my type.
Like, I've had opportunities to date successful guys if I wanted to, but I want somebody on my level in a sense, like, who makes me be better, but also my oldest, like, I have a hard time talking to a guy that's 30 or older.
It just feels too old for me.
Also, I think there's a generational difference nowadays.
It's not just age.
There's like, we have iPhones.
We grew up with iPhones.
They didn't have internet.
It's a lot different.
They don't get it.
So they got it a little older, like a 30-year-old, but I'd cap it like 29 for me, max.
29 for you?
And you're 20.
I'm 23.
23, okay.
Yeah.
All right.
My grandparents were only 10 years apart.
Really quick on sort of related to this, you mentioned that, well, we get a lot of, we have gotten a lot of attention from people who are notable or famous.
You mentioned blue check marks in your DMs and you gave a laundry list of different professions that these men are in.
So how many blue check marks have you had in your DMs?
Pull the mic closer to you, please.
Thousands.
Pull the mic.
I'm going to say thousands.
Thousands of blue check marks.
I've had my Instagram for a few years now.
But I think this is girls.
What you don't get it is it's not just me.
A girl could have 2,000 followers and Andrew Tate's ladding in her DMs.
I know girls like that because guys think that they, I mean, they go for it.
They shoot their shot.
I can't blame them.
Good for you.
Shoot your shot.
You never know.
Well, I want to stay on the Leonardo DiCaprio topic for a little bit here, but I do want to say women have dating on easy mode, changed my mind.
Okay.
Completely agree.
What do you say?
Women have dating on easy mode.
I would disagree.
Compared to men.
I see your point.
I see your point, but it's like.
Even average women have dating on easy mode.
Yeah.
Your struggle, you're saying is you struggle maybe to get a first date.
Me, it's like we're scared for our lives sometimes.
So it's like a very difference of things when it's like dating on easy mode.
Like, like it's maybe if you're an ugly man, sure.
My boyfriend definitely has never had a problem dating because he's an attractive man.
If you're an ugly girl, it's going to be hard for you too.
But here's the difference.
Average women have an easier time dating than average men.
And whose fault is that?
It's yours' fault for sleeping with anything that has two legs.
Not saying that.
Men.
Men in general.
Men in general.
No, that's not how it works.
That's really not how it works.
Can we address the chat for one second?
They're all coming after me saying 30-year-olds didn't have iPhones.
I was nine years old when the first iPhone came out.
We didn't have Instagram until I was 12 years old, and I'm only 22 right now.
I don't know why I said 23.
I'm 22.
Sorry.
My birthday is May 13th.
I'm literally 22 right now.
I was born in 2000.
But to all the people that are saying you're 27, you didn't have it.
So being raised, like I had a motor roll of flip phone for my first phone.
Like people who grew up with Instagram, Photoshops, all these celebrities, in your face, TikTok, all this pressure to be on social media.
Like I've been on social media since fifth grade.
It's a lot of social media since fifth grade.
Being raised with social media is a very different mindset and worldview than people who grew up the good old-fashioned way, hanging out in the park, seeing your friends, meeting up with them.
It's different mindsets, I think.
Okay, here, let me frame the question like this: agree or disagree?
Do women have dating on easy mode, Kiko?
Yes or no?
Compared to men.
What does dating on easy mode even mean?
Like, I don't, I really don't.
I really don't get it.
It means that you get to select.
So, this is something that's like inherent to just women in dating is that they're kind of all players.
And not like consciously, but because they just have so many options, right?
Like, there's this guy in your DMs, and that guy met you yesterday, and there's this guy in the grocery store, and so you have options.
Whereas men, we have to go out and create those options for ourselves.
They don't just slide into our DMs, they don't just show up into our lives.
I mean, to complain about that just sounds like very complaining, it's just acknowledging a reality of the world.
What Sam is getting at, and by the way, I disagree with the idea that all women are like kind of players, but I understand what you're getting at.
The reality that he's getting at is that women are born with their value, and men have to build their value, right?
If I'm some loser and I just sit at home and I'm eating like potato chips all day and I don't spend my time trying to build my value as a man, build my confidence, all these kind of things, I'm not going to have as much success with women as I would otherwise.
But an average woman who isn't working on her own personal excellence and who still has a decent level of attractiveness, even if she's just average, there's going to be tons of dudes that want to sleep with her.
And average guys do not have tons of women that want to sleep with them.
They probably do.
They're just trying to seek out women who are above their vague.
Kiko, let me tell you conclusively.
Especially IV.
I know men who are ugly as hell getting laid every day.
Kiko.
Because they have Tinder.
They have Tinder, but they also have game and they have confidence.
Okay.
I mean, game matters.
Riz.
It does.
The average guy does not have tons of women who want to sleep with him.
The average guy would be lucky to have one or two who want to sleep with him.
Okay.
I see your point, but it's like the average, the point that I've made in previous podcasts: the average guy can go on Tinder and get zero swipes.
Okay.
The average woman can go on Tinder and get laid two nights.
Kiko, just like you're talking about.
But getting laid.
Are we talking about dating or getting laid?
Would you say it's because guys are lazy?
Easy.
But a lot more men are easier to will sleep.
Men are more willing to sleep with people who are not on their level than women.
That's your own personal problem.
Don't sleep with people who are below you.
And you are proving my point.
You're proving my point.
Men will sleep with a lot of different women.
That sounds like personal problems.
It's not a personal problem.
It's just the reality of life.
Women will not sleep with average guys.
Men will sleep with average women, is the point.
And men have to build their value.
It doesn't just come naturally to them like it does for women.
Maybe it depends on area.
You wanted to come in?
No, it's just a universal law of nature.
Hold on.
Would you go for an average woman, though?
No.
Would you go for an average woman?
You guys had a lot of sleep.
What do you mean by that?
I'm not an average man.
I work much harder than the average dudes in my age group.
I have for a long time.
Like, I'm selective with who I date.
I'm extremely selective.
I always have been.
But just because I wouldn't doesn't mean that a ton of other guys wouldn't.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know a lot of guys who are very average and they don't have any problem finding women to sleep with or date or anything.
It's just knowing who's on your list.
But is finding someone to sleep with really fulfilling?
I would love to talk about it.
That's what we're talking about.
Please come up with that.
Yeah, I have across platforms probably over 800,000 followers that are all single men.
That's why they follow me for dating advice.
And I get thousands of messages every day from attractive guys that cannot get a date.
And the messages are fucking sad.
Like it is, girls are not aware of the crisis out there that men are facing in the dating world.
I don't think you guys can, I don't think you can speak on it because you don't know about it.
You don't see them.
It's way bigger than you could ever imagine.
You have no idea how sad it is.
I cry about it when I read the messages.
So let me ask you a question.
You mentioned that you have a lot of attractive guys who cannot get a date.
Why would you say that is?
I think this is.
You can just be honest.
This is an important conversation that a lot of people can learn from.
I think the feminism movement has completely beat down men.
Okay, expand on that.
I think they are scared to speak to women.
Because of the Me Too stuff?
That's a part of it, but I don't think it's a big part of it.
I think their confidence is absolutely destroyed in the dating world.
Women feel like they, I feel like the feminism movement has kind of made women not just feel equal to men, but actually superior to men.
And I feel like that's the way they treat a lot of men.
Do you feel like the feminism movement has convinced a lot of women to not appreciate men for what they bring to the table?
Masculinity is dead.
Because feminism causes women to become masculine and to embody the traits that they would otherwise look for in a partner.
Would you say that's accurate?
Yeah, and that's hard for a man to even be attracted to.
Right, because no man wants a masculine woman.
Right, and men, you know, we have a dream inside of our hearts.
If you're a masculine man who's red-blooded, we have a dream inside of our hearts to care for a woman and protect her and provide for her and build a family with her.
And a lot of women who are like deep into feminism, they're like, I don't need a man to do those things for me.
Do you feel like that is demoralizing a lot of men who are looking for a family?
Oh, absolutely.
It's not giving them purpose.
When a man cannot provide for his family.
Well, can, but when a man is not appreciated for providing for his family, that completely invalidates him in a way.
Yes.
And so do you feel like that is causing a lot of men to feel hopeless in the dating marketplace?
Yeah, and I also think a lot of men, I think porn plays a huge part in this.
I think that a lot of men are just addicted.
And I think they're addicted.
I think they're in their homes now more, and they don't have the social skills to speak to women.
And I think, you know, like we said, game is attractive to us.
Like, a lot of men don't even know how to approach women.
I think it's a combination of things.
And I also think that the whole porn industry is driven by a lot of women that feel empowered with sex.
And that's a whole other topic.
If I may ask her another question.
I assume you've had successes in helping men get better with women and find girlfriends, wives, so on and so forth.
What would you say has been the most effective thing in your coaching of these men to help them cross that threshold?
It's honestly the conversation skills.
Once a guy once a guy can land the first date, usually he's capable of taking a little bit further.
It's honestly just getting the first date.
Actually, I've helped people a lot with dating profiles.
Their dating profiles are trash.
Once a man, one of my really good friends is actually a dating app photographer.
Very lucrative business.
Wow.
Good to know.
Yeah, it's honestly, he does amazing work.
But once he completely revamps their profiles, because women look at a profile for a significant first photo.
Yeah, like that's it, and they're done.
They're automatically, they'll find the smallest ick.
So what has made the most successful dating profiles for men?
What do those profiles look like?
Honestly, less of the...
I'm trying to think of what...
His name is Justin Harder, for anybody wondering.
His work's insane.
Jay Harder photo.
I'll give him one last shout out.
But basically putting your it's making the man look more successful.
That's what's leading to like showcasing his life.
Yeah, but not a false image.
He will never project them in like a false light.
He'll never be on a private jet if they can't afford a private jet.
Like it's not, it's not like painting a false reality.
But kind of like you're not having the club photos where you're drunk with your six friends.
And I think the gym selfies, like getting rid of those and replacing them with maybe like fitness photos, like overall fitness photos.
I think a lot of guys make dating profiles and they think, they select photos that they think the boys would like.
They make their profiles for the boys.
That's something I like.
I remember when I was on dating apps, it was like most of the guys, all their pictures, there was like six of them in the photo.
Like I could barely even tell what the dude would look like because it was either a group photo every single time or like an obscured super far away sunset and they're just back.
And it's like, yeah, I mean like duh, like why would we want to swipe on that?
I don't even know what you look like.
So somebody said.
You know what's funny about that though?
You know what's funny about that?
The whole looks thing is you can actually, you often hear people say, men are so superficial.
Men care so much about looks.
However, it happened, it seems to be the case that women care a great deal about looks and physical appearance, as is proven by what's going on on dating apps.
I'm superficial as fuck.
Well, that's it first.
I want to be attracted to you.
Somebody said fake profiles get you dates, not relationships.
It's not a fake profile.
Good photos get you dates, and a lot of men have the conversation skills to get a relationship, but they just can't get the dates.
So once they get the dates, they're good.
And also they can develop their conversation skills on those dates.
They just need the tax.
So you think once a guy gets a date, it's not an automatic relationship, but I think a lot of men.
It's a step, yeah.
I think you have to get away towards what?
That girl eventually becoming a girlfriend?
Because I would say in today's day and age, I would say most first dates don't lead anywhere.
Well, not just like that singular first date.
Once you have more options.
You absolutely learn from them.
I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, which is that a man's personality really adds to his attractiveness for women.
So when they're on the apps and only the apps, they don't really get to feel his energy.
And that's always been my issue with using the apps.
I have high energy.
I'm not going to talk about myself too much about the sauce, Sam.
Yeah, like when a guy has the sauce, women can't really feel that.
You can't even really feel that over text because you can't hear the tonality of his voice.
You can't look into his eyes.
And so, my advice to any guys that are struggling on the apps would to be grow some balls and go and talk, go and look confused in Trader Joe's because that's where you're going to find you.
That's where you're actually going to find a girl that's worth dating.
Because if you leave it up to the apps, all they can look at is your shitty photos that your friends took of you from 2016.
Thank you for bringing that up.
80s, go to Home Depot.
I think there's a lot of success in that.
Home Depot is where you find a fucker.
I'm like, I'm looking for screws.
I'm going to, I'll see you guys.
Hold on, Kiko.
I wanted to let you guys come in a little bit here.
Your take?
What's this?
Okay, the question is: do women have dating on easy mode as compared to men?
Agree or disagree?
I feel like I don't have enough experience to respond to this, but here, let me ask a clarifying question: Who has an easier time getting laid, men or women?
That should be women.
Hold on.
Go ahead.
I would say woman.
Okay, you would say women.
Who has an easier time getting a date?
men or women um if you Go ahead.
I honestly don't know.
I mean, you don't have like a sense.
I mean, you have girlfriends, you have guy friends.
Do you guys just know about this?
Yeah, she doesn't know.
Okay.
What about you?
I would say women definitely have it easier.
Okay.
Are we just going saying our answers or do you just want to hear me elaborate?
If you'd like to elaborate a little bit about what's going on, but no.
What's up?
I was just saying, because she was like asking, I was saying he just wants you guys to talk because you're not talking.
So just something so we can't.
Well, no, I want to try to bring them into the conversation.
But like we made the point earlier, women have the choice to whoever men they want.
Obviously, they have a lot of options.
I agree with other people now.
The Deborah's.
But I think, like we said, we rated ourselves tens.
Like women are overly confident.
So if a guy will walk up to you when you're out, you're going to be like, oh, no.
So that like that makes them feel insecure in a way, which is why it's harder for them to be able to talk to women and try to get more women.
At the bar, I see very successful encounters.
So I don't know.
Maybe he's just because everyone is drunk there.
But when I am bartending, I'll oftentimes see men approach women.
Majority of the time, they either chat for a little bit, end up dancing together, whatever.
I rarely ever see a man approach a woman at my bar, at least where I work, and them just be like straight faced.
Unless they were like drunk as hell all over them being a weirdo, then of course.
But usually they give them a chance.
The thing about that example, Kiko, is the type of dudes that are going to bars are gregarious, outgoing guys who like have confidence in their game and they know that there's attractive girls out there and they want to go talk to them.
That is not representative of the average male population.
Okay, but like how Sam said, get out of there and go.
When men approach women in a nice way and not creepy, majority of the time it's not meant with, it's not met with just get away from me online, maybe, because I'm not going to respond to a random man who just DMs me if I don't know who they are.
Because honestly, it's scary.
I don't know who I can meet out there and be a weirdo and chop me up into a million pieces.
But, you know, sometimes you could read it better in person.
So I feel like for men, a lot of encounters come better.
That's why I was going to ask her, have you just started this after the pandemic?
Like, have we seen a shift since the pandemic when people were inside trying to do this versus when men were out and approaching women and it wasn't as taboo for those things?
I see them having a fairly easy time, especially in IV.
It could be the ugliest man walking up to an average woman and they'll go home together.
Men might have no problem getting laid.
I have to do that.
Men have no problem.
The ugliest men get laid every single night by that.
Because you are seeing a specific subset of men.
That's why I said maybe it's the area.
No, it's not just the area.
This is across the board.
A very small amount of men are just getting women easily.
For the vast majority, you shake your head.
I talk to a lot of men, Kiko, a lot of men.
And they all come to me because they're like, bro, it seems like you have confidence in understanding how women work.
Help me because I'm struggling with these women.
A lot of dudes are not successful with women.
The majority of guys are not successful with women.
It is difficult for men to attract and keep women if they are average men.
It is not an easy thing.
I would say if they're below average.
No, no, no.
It's not possible.
So this is exactly why marriage rates are declining.
And it's also why she has 800,000 followers across her platforms of attractive.
You said it's below average men.
She has attractive dudes that are struggling to get.
I would say any man who's going to her for that probably has some more deep-rooted issues.
No.
Is the reason why they're having to do that?
Kiko, the problem is that you are judging all men based on the small subset of men that you see.
I don't think you can speak off.
You're judging off the small subset of the menu.
No, I know a shitload of guys.
So do I.
Okay, a shitload of guys.
Let's pull up some studies too, by the way.
Yeah, the majority of these guys.
I mean, all you have to do is look at that thing that Brian brings up.
Like how everyone's hose.
Hold on.
How do hose exists?
Hold on.
The female delusion.
Fuck everybody.
Please listen.
Kiko, let him finish.
Please listen.
He's cut me off a lot of times, Brian.
If you have a question.
Kiko, you're the master of cutting off.
Just let him finish and then you can go.
You would look shocked, but just.
By the way, you can keep a poker face while people are talking.
You don't need to do, like, a whole...
You don't need to do, like, a...
Ryan, don't say anything to me anymore.
You don't...
Bro, you don't...
Do you want views or no?
If I just sit here like this, you're not going to get shit.
So let me do what I do.
Thank you.
If you're like grimacing when someone's trying to make a point and you're like rolling your eyes, it's kind of rude.
He does the exact same shit.
I'm not lying.
Kiko, I've listened to many of your points.
I let you make them and I try to address them.
And the point that I want to make right now, so I've done, this is what, the ninth episode that I've done at this point.
And one of the things Brian has asked girls, he goes like, okay, so what kind of guys do you like, right?
Girls like tall guys who ideally make a decent amount of money.
Oftentimes, like Deborah said, it's above six foot tall, right?
And if you look up the female delusion calculator and you look at the amount of dudes that are above six feet tall that make you know $90,000 a year or up, it's like less than 1% of the population.
Okay, so you have women saying, hey, this is what I want.
99% of men do not fit that standard.
Okay.
And so you say, well, it's the below average guys that, you know, they can't get laid.
Literally, 99% of men do not fit in the average woman's standards for what they want in a partner.
Do you see the problem there?
I see that, but my point is, a lot of women might be saying that, but their actions aren't showing that.
I might say that, but my last ex was broke as fucking 5'7.
So he still got to date me.
You're right.
And I would just watch.
He got to date you.
Yeah, he got to date me.
What?
Yeah.
Let me restate it again.
You guys got to date.
You got to date me.
You guys got to date each other.
Right.
Based off of the point of he's saying is how he's below me because he's not six foot and wasn't making that much money.
In his eyes, he got to date me because based off what you guys are saying.
Is that your frame of how you view?
I would say he got to date me because he reached out to me for months beforehand and we had to have multiple friends intervene to get us into a relationship.
You didn't get to date each other?
Honestly.
You didn't feel fortunate to date him?
No, not at all.
So why did you date him?
I was honestly dragged into it.
I was in a very traumatic point in my life.
Rip.
Rip for this.
Can I say something?
Okay, when I met him, I was at a very low point of my life.
We met one month before the pandemic hit, and we kind of just got stuck together.
If I had never, stuck together.
If I had never, if I wouldn't have experienced what I experienced right before meeting him, we were basically, if you know what the term is, we were trauma-bonded, basically, together.
And it took me a long time to get out of it, honestly, because I thought he was going to kill me.
So after I was with him, I was scared to get out of it.
So if you, because you guys are fucking making fun of me, if you want me to actually say the real reasons, yeah, he was making, give me those signs that if I was going to actually leave him, he was going to, you know.
That was rude.
that's rude what's like huh It was rude.
It wasn't me, it was Eric.
Well, I'm sorry.
Like, you guys are acting like psychos.
You guys want to see just one side of everything.
There are psycho guys out there, but to paint like, you make it sound like it's like a large percentage.
No, It's not a large percentage, but there are like this fringe group of guys that I don't know what it is.
I don't know if this is new to society, but like the guys are like, I'll kill myself if you break up with me.
Like, seek some help.
That's what he did.
Seek some help.
He's a two, though.
I know.
It's manipulative.
And everyone needs to get some serious help if you're saying that to someone, because that's just manipulating somebody else.
That's like so rare, though.
It's just a lot of people.
It happens to me.
It happens to me.
My extra talent to everyone at this table.
Let me just say for anyone.
My ex-girlfriend has to be able to do that.
For anyone.
For anyone.
So that's why he knew he could play that card on there.
For anyone.
For anyone listening.
For anyone listening who finds themselves in a position where they want to kill themselves if there are significant other breaks up with them.
I just want to say to all of you guys, find purpose in your lives.
Find a meaning in your lives and fulfillment beyond relationships.
It's my personal opinion.
I want to make this point for all of the people out there that are struggling.
It's my personal opinion that you should be fulfilled in yourself and find joy and happiness in your own life and completeness as a person before you get into a relationship so that you are not emotionally dependent on the validation of that person that you're in a relationship with.
There are a lot of people out there like that who become suicidally depressed after a breakup.
It's an unhealthy attachment.
It is.
You have to find fulfillment in yourself as a person outside of the relationship.
And even if you're not fulfilled, just don't kill yourself because you matter.
Thank you.
We love you.
Can I say something to this point?
It's that we're arguing about, like, it started with, do women have an easier time dating than men?
And fundamentally, men are like, this is going to sound, you know, like kind of silly, but like fundamentally men, they are the ones that like go and they like penetrate the dating world.
And women are the ones that look at all of their options.
You're too far from the mic.
And they receive, right?
So as a man, if you're a man and you're having struggling dating, it is entirely your fault.
It is 100% on you.
And it's okay.
Disagree.
Disagree.
What I will say is if you're struggling dating, it is a reflection of something that's happening in your personal life that can be improved upon.
There's a lot of guys out there who are blackpilled on their options and the fact that women don't want them.
And what I would say to every man in that position, if you work on yourself and you work on building your confidence as an individual, like the girls earlier in the discussion said, you can give off that tall man energy.
You can become very attractive despite not being conventionally physically attractive.
If you build your confidence, you build your energy, you build your value as a man.
That is something that every guy should be working on so that they can be more successful dating.
And it's something that is within every man's grasp.
I disagree that it's 100% a man's fault if he's struggling when it comes to dating.
I mean, there are other factors.
There's 100%.
I mean, feminism is one of them.
Feminism is one of them because, I mean, the way men used to make themselves attractive was by being providers.
That's no longer good enough.
So men are struggling to find, I suppose, a meaning or purpose in their life because it used to be, go provide for your family.
If you're a provider, you'll find a woman, you'll take care of her, single-income household, you'll be the sole breadwinner.
That's how it used to be.
However, now because of feminism, and I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
However, it's perhaps an unintended consequence of basically doubling the labor pool.
And there's news articles, there's articles about this of women saying that they're not able to find economically attractive partners.
And men are not appealing partners from an economic and financial sense.
So that's the chief way that a lot of men made themselves attractive was, hey, just get a job.
There'll be a woman.
Hold on, let me just finish.
Also, you have a globalized sexual marketplace.
So you have dating apps, social media.
You have dating apps, social media, internet, Instagram.
So hold on, hold on.
Can you guys not talk while I'm talking, please?
Okay.
So you have globalized sexual marketplace where in the past, a woman used to have, if she lived in Idaho, her pool of partners was in her city in Idaho.
Now a woman can hop on Instagram, hop on the dating app, match with people within a hundred mile radius.
She can get DMs.
Guys don't get DMs like this.
She can get DM by NFL players.
She can get DM by this guy, this music producer, this actor, this famous athlete, whatever it may be.
They'll fly her out to Miami.
They'll fly her to Vegas.
They'll fly her to LA.
They'll fly her to Dubai.
So you basically have women who have basically mind-boggling amount of options.
Whereas even an average woman, you guys said even a woman with 2,000 followers on Instagram has these blue check marks in her DMs.
So women have such an insanely disproportionate amount of options, which they can now exercise on, let's say.
And men simply don't have that.
And so men are last thing, last thing.
So also with the dating apps, it's purely physical.
And the data has been out there for years now.
Women swipe on like less than what, 10% of guys.
Women are all chasing after the same 10% of men on dating apps.
Women already did that before dating apps, you know, like women hypergamy.
Women would be chasing after the best guys at college, the best guys here, the best guys there.
But now with digital, now with Instagram, now with dating apps, it's like hyper insane.
So basically you have a much higher proportion of men who are getting zeroed out, who have no options, who are just like normal average dudes, some of them between say normal, average to like even good-looking dudes are getting zeroed out because they're all chasing after these top percentage of men.
Yes.
So for that reason, it's really not men's fault, I think.
Okay.
I hear you.
Women have over-inflated egos after downloading apps.
With the advent of social media and dudes sliding into their DMs, they see, wow, I'm really actually a hot girl that's worth this much.
You have to look at, you know, are they getting fulfilling relationships?
No.
No.
They're probably just getting smashed and passed.
But with that being said, my point still stands and I stand by it that if you're a man, you don't have any time to sit around and say, woe is me, pity me because you're not getting dates because of whatever reason.
Like as a man, you need to go out and fuck the world.
You need to go out and make yourself the best possible man that you can be from wherever you're starting.
And I understand that it's hard.
But if you sit around and complain and focus on all the negative reasons why you can't get a date, then you are going to continue to see that show up in your life rather than going into Trader Joe's and looking confused, which is what you should be doing.
You should try and improve upon yourself.
And my point was simply that as a man, a lot of guys just aren't putting in the work.
And myself included, in the past, like there are times when I get lazy and when I become complacent and when I'm not doing the things that I need to be doing and when I'm completely on top of my stuff, like women, they just come into my life naturally.
And my advice to any men is that there's hope.
Like you evaluate yourself realistically and do the best that you can do because that's your only option.
There's no option to just sit around and complain that dating has become harder because women's egos are inflated by social media and by dating apps, even though that's true.
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Kiko, be less narcissistic.
I love being narcissistic.
But that's the thing.
You talked about his girlfriend in the last one.
You don't have a girlfriend.
I will guarantee right now you don't.
And if she did, if you do, she should slap the fuck out of you for spending $600 so far on this podcast.
Like, I'm sure you don't.
Do you want to give that money by her red buttons?
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Yeah, so just to finish my point, you can't allow yourself as a man to have excuses.
You cannot allow yourself to have excuses for why you can't go and find a date because then you're just not going to go out and find a date.
The odds are that these men, they're probably lacking in something.
They're probably not interesting.
They probably lack conversation skills.
I like to believe that there's a small majority of men that have really committed themselves to improving upon themselves as best as they possibly can in their financial life, in their social life, in their physical fitness, and still aren't getting even a single date with women.
And if that's true, you have to look at yourself realistically.
You have to rate yourself out of 10 and say, look, I'm 5'8, therefore I'm a seven.
Sam, I raised you this question.
Do you think that's really only a male thing?
Or do you think that's a society thing that people are just lazier these days in a sense?
And like, is that only men that aren't pushing themselves to be the best of themselves?
Because I think that message could apply to every single person.
That's a really, really good point, Deborah, because women, to Brian's point, that women have over-inflated egos because of social media and because of the apps, they're not putting in any effort, right?
They're not creating a personality for them.
I know girls who just swipe their hinge and they're like, okay, I'm down, I'm down.
I'm like, but what's the point of wasting, this is a little bit larger thing, but I don't understand the point of like wasting time.
I've personally never gone on a date with somebody from an app means I have a hard time like disconnecting.
Like if meeting somebody on an app, I could never imagine myself meeting them in real life.
That's just, it's very important for me to meet people in person, sense their energy.
But I know friends who just like do it for funs.
And I feel like, do you agree or disagree that a certain point, if you're just dating to date in a way, like you're not being selective, is that more harmful or helpful to your long-term goal?
It's really harmful, especially for women.
A lot of women waste their 20s just hooking up with all the Chads.
And then their 30s come around and they're like, yo, I want to settle down with a good guy.
But it's like, yo, the good guys that you would want to settle down with, they're not interested in a woman who wasted her 20s just hooking up with all the guys.
They want, oftentimes, a younger woman with less baggage.
To your point a second ago, too, I think one of the reasons why a lot of people are frustrated with the dating world is because a lot of people aren't bringing much to the table, guys and women included, right?
There's a lot of women out there.
All they're bringing to the table is their body and their time, right?
They wouldn't necessarily make a great wife or a great girlfriend.
And to your guys' points before about men, like there's a lot of men out there who, you know, like Sam was saying, they're making excuses for themselves and they're not like working hard on themselves to build their value as men, right?
And to all of the guys out there, like there's a lot of black-pilled dudes out there.
Every man has it within his capacity to work on his career.
And yes, there's a lot of feminists out there that like, you know, they're rejecting like, I don't want a male provider.
But every man has it within his capacity to work on his career, to get in the gym, and to, like Sam does, practice a martial art.
And when guys do these things, it builds your energy and your confidence so much.
When you build your value as a man, every guy has it within his capacity to do those things.
And it changes the way women look at you.
Guys should be doing that.
Yes.
Amen, man.
That's a question, though.
Real quick, can I respond to Deborah's point?
I think that, you know, like you were saying, women, they need to improve upon themselves too.
And maybe they're lacking social skills too or whatever they need to succeed in the dating world.
And that is because they're getting validation from the apps.
If you're on the apps and you're a woman, I've been on the apps.
I'm not afraid to admit it.
A lot of women just don't respond.
Or, you know, it's like, why did you like my profile?
If you don't want to go out on a date with me.
Yeah, like I'm selective about the women that I swipe on.
I don't just look at them for their body or whatever.
I actually am looking at, you know, could we be a potential match?
And when I swipe on them, I'd like to take them out to coffee and meet them for an hour and see if we're actually going to click.
Because like I said previously, my energy is different online than it is in person when you're looking into my eyes.
And as a man, you need to go and do that.
And so, but as a woman, women, you make a good point.
Women are getting too much validation from the apps.
They go and they swipe and they're like, yeah, I'm wanted in love.
And then they do nothing, right?
They don't care about themselves.
I mean, you say that women need to self-improve.
You're not wrong.
However, the difference is, is that women need not self-improve to get laid, to get a partner, to get a boyfriend.
That's why it's just so fucking easy for women.
My response to that would be that there is no fulfillment in hookup culture.
There is no fulfillment in just fucking someone.
Trust me, I've done it.
It's not fulfilling.
It's not something that I want.
Once you do it, you might think you're hot.
You might feel better.
You might have a little bit more confidence for the next person.
But it is completely a waste of your time and your money.
And especially if you're a young woman, you don't have time.
You need to find the guy now.
Like if you're in your 20s, you need to find, and you are serious about wanting to get married.
You need to start getting really serious about the person that you're dating and the time that you're spending.
And I want to add a caveat on that because I've spoken with a lot of women recently who are in their like late 20s, early 30s who feel like they have no value because they're in their late 20s and early 30s.
I know dudes in their 30s that are looking for you women.
Don't think that you don't have any value because you haven't found a guy by the time you're in your late 20s.
However, Sam's point is still correct in the sense that it is a bad idea to waste your 20s just having fun and then hope to settle down with the best guy possible in your early 30s.
Like that, that is a bad idea.
And a lot of people, a lot of women, you know, I've got a lot of friends from high school.
They fall into that trap.
They think they can just bang all the Chads through their 20s and then settle down in their late 20s, early 30s.
Doesn't work like that, ladies.
But that's to say, women in your late 20s and early 30s, you are not valueless.
Can I propose a question?
Yes.
And we can skip it if you guys want to.
Actually, no, you can't.
Sorry, Sam.
So you guys brought up earlier about like how you guys think feminism is hurting.
Sure, I'm not disagreeing.
I'm not disagreeing before your question donated $200 Kiko I own construction goes across the southeast hundreds of employees Brian protects my anonymity with Quizno's story and my girlfriend is easily a nine Brian has the proof in an email Don't get upset because $1,000 is not even a half day's wage is for me.
Hey, spend your money how you want to, but calling your girlfriend a nine is outrageous.
So you just...
That's a...
You just called yourself a ten, though.
That's why I'm...
Is that not outrageous?
No, he said she's a distracted person.
I'm saying to call your own spouse or girlfriend anything less than a 10.
Oh, no, my boyfriend sent a chat earlier.
He said that he gave the different ratings for the different parts of the day, and I thought it was completely accurate.
Different parts of the 10.
He is like, in the morning, in the morning when you wake up or when you put your makeup on, you're a five.
When you take off your clothes, go to sleep.
You're at 10.
Oh my gosh, Eric, Kiko, we'll come back to your question.
That's fine.
I'm going to go pee me.
He's the best.
She's got to go pee?
Or do you want me to ask you?
Really quick before you go pee, really quick on the 10 thing.
Oh, my boyfriend responded, by the way.
What did he say?
Oh, we've been waiting.
Two and a half hours.
He asked me to text my boyfriend what he would rate himself on a scale of one to ten.
Okay.
Quick guess first.
Looks.
Yeah.
Quick guess.
Oh, oh, I don't think he did.
Into the mic, Kiko.
I don't know if he, I don't know if he only was doing looks, but what do you guys think he said?
What do you think?
Rating you or himself?
He's the type of man that I would assume from what you've told me about him.
He'd be like, I'm an F and 11, no cap.
Nah, he said, that's why my boyfriend is, we don't, we aren't.
I think he's humble.
We aren't similar in a lot of ways.
That's why I think we work.
We just know how to agree on a different way.
He said nine.
Always room for improvement.
Ah, he's like us.
Humble man.
Okay, humble.
There we go.
No, 10.
Thank you.
All right, really quick.
He's a 20.
Really quick, Kiko, since he's already gone to the bathroom.
Eric, pull up.
Just really quick.
You told me you knifed that dude.
I have to restart.
Sam distracted you with your questions.
Classic.
Instagram.
The attractive women, let's say.
Oh, my question.
Forgot.
Okay.
So these are some.
I don't know if they're tense, but they're very attractive women.
They're attractive to you, right?
Who is this?
Scroll down.
Are those different people?
What the fuck?
You know, Morphe Cindy.
Sure.
Okay, keep scrolling.
Are these ones you saved or other men?
All these girls have face app on.
First of all.
Somebody recently showed me a picture.
I was like, I know that reset on Facebook.
She's so pretty.
I'm like, why is it her on?
Why is it her on?
Bro, that girl looks 14 years old in a blue bikini.
No one's a little bit more.
In the blue bikini.
Yeah, top right.
That girl looks underage.
She looks like an American girl doll.
Like, all these girls look 18 or like they're using heavy photos.
That looks like a guy.
That looks like a guy.
That's pause, pause, pause.
These are good.
These are actors.
Look at those eyebrows.
They're super, super thick.
That's Stacy Dash.
Stacy Dash.
Yeah, she looks the opposite of eyebrows.
They look fine.
The other girls all looked underage or like they're using heavy photo.
Kristen Kruek.
Kristen Kruek from Smallville.
Okay.
So these are some attractive women, right?
Still a 10?
Yes.
I feel like you could put one of my pictures up there and you can scroll right by them.
You can call me delusional all you want.
And it's not because I'm saying, oh, people DM me, people message me.
It's how I get reacted to on a daily basis.
I can't walk.
Sorry, call me a fucking narcissist, whatever you want.
Anywhere I go, makeup or not, I'm having at least on a 30-minute outing, about 10 different women coming up to me.
That's what I take it off of.
How men think of me, but how many women?
I agree with her, honestly, to the whole thing.
I have a lot of women think differently.
Exactly.
Anytime I go out, I have at least 10 to 20 different women telling me how pretty and attractive I am to them.
That's fine.
It took me a long time to get here.
The first time I went on this podcast, I called myself a seven, but I've realized.
I have a question I was going to ask her, but now I'll just ask everybody else.
This is mostly for the girls, and then the guys can give their opinions.
Do you feel prettier and hotter both when you dress more risque or more modest feminine vibes?
Modest feminine for sure.
I feel like a boss ass bitch.
Can I be honest?
Yeah, like when like, because I mean, like, this is my thoughty outfit.
Like, who cares?
You know, I love it.
It's fun.
But when I'm in, like, let's see, a blazer, a cute, like, little professional long sleeve, it's like, on top of feeling beautiful, I feel like almost powerful.
I love dressing.
Yeah.
How about you?
I would agree with that.
All right.
Let's, Eric, can you pull up the Twitch really quick?
Then we'll, we need to move.
Oh, AB Check, thank you for the big 20 gifted memberships.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it very much.
Can you pull which?
Yo, thank you guys.
Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
AC Noel, thank you for the prime.
Holmes, thank you for the prime.
Only toes, thank you for the prime.
Chewy, thank you for the prime.
Yo, L Cap, thank you for the follow.
Depressive, thank you for the follow.
Did I say chewy?
Yeah, chewy thing for the prime, sis op.
Daddy Kesper, thank you for the follow.
And then we have Iceman, thank you for the follow.
Just reading a couple of follows.
Thank you guys.
Oh, Feed Olympics.
Thank you for the Prime Minister.
I appreciate it.
Okay, and then we got a soup chat.
Let me get called up super quick on the soup chat.
While you pull that up, I just want to add one thing, Deborah.
I think modest women, it's so attractive.
What that is.
Rip.
Can we just push that back?
What was going on?
Can't you just push that back?
I think it makes you feel more like a woman.
It's so good.
I feel the same.
When I'm in a modest, like, long dress, I'm like, wow, I feel like I'm on top of the world.
But that's something that I think came with age.
When I was younger, I felt cooler in a crop top.
And then I was like, were there more gifted?
No.
Okay.
I want to add on to that, like, something you say that comes with age.
Like, as I'm getting older, because I'm still 23, I just feel like I'm about to turn 24.
But I feel like in the last year or so, like, my style is ever so changing when it comes to confidence.
Mainly because compared to when I was like 21 or 22.
Chase, why are you laughing?
Chase.
Why are you laughing?
Did you read those?
Nothing.
Sorry, he's laughing.
Please continue.
He's laughing at the chat.
Please continue.
How dare you, Chase?
Please continue, as you were saying.
Cool.
No, just like basically saying that, like, compared to when I was younger, like, let's say I'm wearing a little black slip dress and a little wedge to the club with a YSL bag.
That would make me feel pretty.
But like, as I'm getting older, it's like almost like when I cover up, it's like, you feel more beautiful.
But like I said, that's something that comes with age.
And like, I feel like a lot of younger girls are.
Yeah, like in high school, you're just going to want to wear what every other girl wears, like a crop top and like some booty shorts or whatever.
Can I specifically ask this to you?
We totally don't have to speak about it if you're uncomfortable, but what age did you start identifying as a woman?
Can I be honest?
I have always known, like, I never knew the word for it.
If I'm being honest, like growing up, I didn't know what trans was.
I didn't know it was a thing.
So like anything that grass wanted femininity, that was me.
You know, like anything, I put a towel over my head, it looks my hair.
Like I would, literally my mom and my parents, like when they would have their night outings that our babysitters would come over, I'd steal my mom's heels.
Like femininity for me is something that's always been 100% natural and not forced.
So I believe I think it was like 14-15 was when I discovered what trans was.
You know, and I was like, oh my god, like, wait, it's, I'm not a drag queen.
Because at first, I thought I was a drag queen because I didn't know what trans was.
I didn't know that there was a meme for it.
I just knew that I was more than that.
And then, I guess, like I said, as I got older, then I started experiencing week up.
I let my hair grow out.
And I fully started living as a woman and I was at the age of like 18, 19, I want to say.
I started letting my hair grow out.
I started experimenting more with my clothing.
Is your friend good?
It sounds like I'm seeing a lot of jokes there.
I don't know.
The chat was saying some ridiculous shit.
So they were, I think, probably getting dragged.
I just never didn't know my drinks.
There's sometimes you have maturity to be able to read something and keep it in.
I don't know whose that was.
I almost vomited.
AED 750.
Looking at Kiko.
Looking at, do you want to read this one, Kiko?
Looking at Kiko and the way she behaves/slash reacts in the parish, she's an actual six downgraded to a five.
Masculinity woman is a man repellent.
I can guess what her BF is like now.
Honestly, you guys would have no idea what my boyfriend is like.
You wouldn't have the slightest.
You're a really good reader.
Thank you.
I like the emotional hair, Frank.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Do you want to read this one, Kiko?
Yeah.
Getting women who are not ran through in USA justifies seeking young ones, no matter what Kiko or any girl says.
Can you hold on?
Hold on, Kiko.
Please, Deborah, shut the fuck up when somebody else is talking.
This entire fucking show, your fucking sidebar conversations with Billy Ray, sidebar conversations with Sam over here.
Shut the fuck up, please.
Go ahead, Kiko.
Right.
I'm glad you didn't say that to me because I would have reacted a little differently.
Getting women who are not ran through in USA justifies seeking young ones no matter what Kiko or any other girl says.
In other parts of the world, you will still get high-value women till the age of 30, i.e., less than three body count.
Did we do everyone's body count yet, Brian?
Or no?
I said mine already.
Let's do it.
Kiko, what's your body count?
12 with both genders.
12.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wait, 12 with girls and 12 guys?
No, like, 25.
Because that's my private business.
But we could just make it public business.
Oh, my God.
I'm sure you'd like that.
I like seeing my body count because most people assume my body count's like a lot higher.
Are you hitting on me right now?
No, I'm being sarcastic.
What's your body count?
I'm going to pass on that.
Allie.
I have a boyfriend, so I think you can assume at least one.
Okay.
Okay, thank you for that.
Okay.
Eight.
Did you say seven last time?
No, I think you said eight last time.
I think I said eight last time.
Billy Ray.
Out of respect for my boyfriend, I would never speak about my sexual life publicly.
To second that, I have respect for myself.
I don't think anyone you're not in a sexual relationship with or even in a relationship has a right to know that.
And I will happily take awareness of the number.
Not at all, but even if it was one, even if it was 100, I still think that sexual conversations should be reserved for the person you're in a relationship with, not the internet.
But it's like, don't you expect that when you come on a dating?
This is a dating podcast.
Yeah, but I'm not looking to date y'all.
Oh, true.
Yeah.
Yo, W's in the chat for Kiko for actually being open and willing to share.
No, this happens every time.
I'm the only one who's willing to share.
But I know Kiko in the chat.
I want to see Wiko in the world.
I want to each their own.
I mean, honestly, I know a lot of people will look at me and how I dress or my portentine.
They assume my body count is 100 plus.
So I'm very open with saying that I've been with multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
I would, if I, if that was the case, I just wouldn't even say my body count and cut everyone else scapegoats out of it.
But I have no shame of sleeping with seven men and five different women in my 23 years of life.
I don't think that's a shame and my boyfriend.
Sam, what's your body count?
It's honestly, Brian, I lost count, but it's somewhere between 20 and 25.
Okay, all right.
I've already answered it, seven.
Seven.
Okay.
And I'd like to add that I'm not proud of that.
That's a product of like being on the apps, trying to find a girl and just kind of capitulating to my fleshly desires.
And as a man of God, a reformed man of God, I am looking for my wife at this point.
And I'm not, I am, like Kiko would say, a born-again virgin.
Deborah, question for you.
Wait, allow me to just say, I have been saving myself for my wife for the past three years and will continue to do so and will not be having sexual intercourse until my wedding night.
Thank you very much.
Word.
Wait, really quick.
I have a question for Deborah.
I have a question for Chase and Kiko.
What do you guys think?
Is this for all three of us?
Huh?
Is this for all three of us?
Just you two.
For this first one, then I have a question for Deborah.
Would you guys go, like if it was a reality show produced by whatever, where you guys went on a date?
Would you guys do that?
No.
I would never go on a date with another man other than a man.
Let's say you're single.
Say you're single.
How much are you offering here?
Yeah, if I'm getting paid, I can be anywhere.
You guys can go to hibachi, first off, on the house.
Okay.
Hibachi.
This is not, you got to sweeten the deal.
That's not, I could go there by myself and not subject myself to headaches.
Well, maybe she's perfectly pleasant on a first date.
Okay, go on.
How much are you offering?
300 each.
Yeah.
300, 300,000?
No, 300.
I'd go over 300 because I feel like we, me personally, I'm willing to come to a middle ground and also change my opinions on certain things.
So I have no problem having an arrangement with somebody else that differs differently than me.
Maybe I can learn something.
You're very close-minded, Chase.
No, my time is worth more than that.
350 about Tree Fitty?
Make it a grand, and then we'll start talking.
Okay, fair enough.
Deborah, so with the body count thing, you said that it's not appropriate for whatever.
That's fine.
Hold on a second.
If you scrounge up the funds, make it two grand and then we'll start talking.
It's not worth it.
Start an OnlyFans.
Okay.
So maybe we could fan fund it.
Would you guys like to see that?
Like a little not a podcast?
I will go on a date with Tiko.
Tiko.
Tiko.
He doesn't even know her name.
I will go on a date with my dad.
I will go on a date with Kiko for a YouTube video for two grand if you crowdfund it.
And then $300 for Kiko?
No.
That's just a startup.
If we get $2,000, I get $25.
Okay.
So, Deborah, if let's say a guy you were on a first date with, or it's private, you're not on the podcast, he asked you what your body count was, would you have an issue with that?
A full-on, complete answer.
I don't think, I think first dates should be later and more just like getting to know somebody.
I'm very big on like leave them wanting more, only go for like an hour max.
So for the way that I approach first dates, I think that would be inappropriate.
But in general, if I'm interested in somebody, I want to date them and they ask me that question, of course I would have no problem sharing.
That's between me and them.
And if that person's going to end up being my husband, there is nothing I wouldn't share with them.
But with the internet, I think the society has become way too comfortable posting sexual stuff and personal information online.
At the end of the day, you should respect yourself and you should respect the relationship that you will be in one day and keep taboo things taboo for a reason.
Cheers to that, Deborah.
Base.
Lachaim.
L Chaim, Deborah.
Good pronunciation.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Okay, that's a fair answer.
That's a fair answer.
I think I've asked this question to women.
I mean, perhaps we can go around the panel on this.
If a guy on the first date politely asked, you know, how many your body count, would you be taken aback?
Would you be offended?
And I want to add a point to it once you guys all answer.
So, Billy Ray.
I don't know.
First date, but he's polite.
Into the mic.
to the mic.
And would you tell him to?
He asks you right up to me.
If somebody asks me and I'm just sit down at the table and he's like, how many dudes, Ray?
What's the drink?
What do you want to drink?
And how many guys have you slept with?
I think it really depends on if we've been, if this is our first time meeting and we had been talking for a while and there was like some conversation already established and we were super interested in each other.
And also if this was leading towards a sexual relationship, I have no problem talking about that.
But you said.
No, no, no.
I would never lie.
If I was going to tell somebody, I would never lie or tell them a false number.
I think that'd be a weird first date question, though.
It's totally a weird question.
I agree.
No, that's not going to be totally weird.
How do you bring that up in a not weird way on a first date?
Well, I want the girls to answer before I give my piece.
But Mark Wavius, by the way, said he would fund the date.
Let's go.
So Markus, four grand for Kiko and I to go on a date.
You want 2K?
Yeah, I'm not going to go any less than he gets.
Oh, my God.
Kiko wants to be able to do that.
No, no, she wants $2,500.
Wait, will your boyfriend even allow this?
For $2,000, yes, they will.
Were you taking your chase?
Where do you want to go?
He'd be at a table behind us for sure, though.
He wouldn't let me go alone.
Oh, that's.
Honestly, if Markuvius is funding.
Brian, the best content of your life would be me chasing my boyfriend at the same table.
Because they would gang up on me.
What the fuck?
My boyfriend would agree with him more than he would agree with me.
Chase, confirm that.
We just know how to logically have our differences.
No, Kiko, are you trying to convince Chase to do a devil's pass?
Pass.
Right now?
Pass.
Pass.
Kiko, you're trying to go to Paris with Chase and your father.
I will not do that.
My boyfriend's there.
I'll go anywhere.
I will not do any other.
I'm buying my boyfriend's list.
You didn't get what I meant.
Okay, well, we'll see if he's, we'll talk to Markavius about it.
First date guy asks you your body count politely, but he's curious, you know.
I don't take it super personal.
I feel like it's a big factor in every person's life, especially if you're trying to get into like a relationship to know that body count matters, so I wouldn't be offended.
And would you tell him if he asked?
If I was like liking him on the date, I would tell him.
Okay.
If I didn't like him, I would not tell him.
Sure.
She said body count matters, which is interesting to me.
Body count does matter.
If you met the most perfect man in the world and then you found out, or same to the girl question, if you not, you didn't ask this on the first date, you go in, blind, you're seeing this girl for a few months, you're like, wow, this is my soulmate, this girl's amazing, or guy, and then you find out that they have like a ridiculously high body count, like 30 people that they've slept with, would you completely walk away?
Yeah.
Yes.
50 people?
No question.
Like 30 people.
I see why.
I'm seeing why it would be a question because body count does matter.
I see.
Yeah, yeah.
Let me, I'll get to it.
What about you?
I would tell them, I don't think it's like a first question.
I feel like you would have to lean into it, but also I think it depends on how into them I am.
If I would see myself dating them.
Okay.
Sure.
Thoughts?
Honestly, just like what she said, it would have to be like, if I'm into you, then yeah, I don't mind sharing that information.
But if like, you're just being a weirdo, get off my shit.
Wait, question for you.
So you previously described yourself as a certified bad bitch 24-7.
Do you fucking do you like fucking slay?
Like you got mad bitches.
Because you're a certified bad bitch.
Do you got mad bitches?
I feel like I'm somewhat retired.
Okay, wait, wait.
Let me finish before I answer.
Of course.
I'm sorry.
Do you get mad bitches?
As in like...
And by the way, are you...
Who do you go for?
Who do you go for?
Guys or girls?
Guys, girl girls.
Both.
I like boys.
I like men.
Okay, you like men?
I'm actually, you know what?
I'm going to be honest.
Because when I drink, like, I'm personally like, I don't like vagina, but like, I'm down to play with some ass and titties.
Like, okay.
All right.
That's why I asked Kiko.
Get it.
That's why I asked Kiko about your sexuality.
So, like, I don't know.
I kind of get the impression.
Like, I feel like you got games.
So, like, do you get mad bitches?
Honestly, yes.
However, let me clarify something.
I feel like the older that I'm getting, I'm washing them away.
Why?
Because I'm getting older.
I want a man who loves me.
23.
You're 23.
23.
But like, honestly.
I don't have time to sew the wild oats.
Is that how that goes?
Let's spill the tea real quick, okay?
Like, let's fill the tea.
My experiences from dating are way more different than theirs.
I'm a trans girl.
Like, man, honestly, like, it's so fucking rare that you ever even find a guy that's being like, let me take you out.
Let's go see a movie.
Let's go have dinner.
No, they're just trying to fuck.
I'm a fetish.
I'm a fetish to like 98% of those fucking guys.
You know?
So my thing right now is like, okay, yeah, sexually, I can probably have whatever the fucking guy I want to.
You sure?
But no, honestly, like, there has not.
I'm going to be 100% honest.
Like, if I genuinely like that guy, or if I like, oh, like, you know what?
There's nothing godly about this.
Yeah.
Nothing else.
No, sorry.
But like, if I'm attracted to him sexually, like, there's, I've, 90, like, 95% of the time, I'll get it.
However, I'm getting to a certain age now, like, a level of maturity, where it's like, okay, sex is just sex at this point.
I want intimacy, and I want it outside of closed doors.
Yep, you want something that's not shallow and superficial.
You want more than just sex.
Yeah, like, I like, I crave intimacy.
Like, and honestly, like, I, that's something that I want long term.
And I'm at a level of maturity.
Like I said, I'm clearing the fucking roster.
I don't give a fuck if you're a fucking football player, if you know so-and-so person, if you know X, Y, and Z. Like, I don't give a fuck.
Clearing the roster, what do you mean by that?
Do you have confirm or denying your DMs?
Are you just running through famous dudes?
I'm not going to be like talking to like, yeah, I have hundreds, but I have like a good amount.
But you said a roster, so like, what question for you?
What's the most amount of people that you've dated all at once?
All at once.
Like, in rotation?
Same time, rotation, however you want.
Honestly, like three.
Rotation.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, like, I'll have men.
I'm like, okay, this one's annoying me.
Like, okay, send him to clear his ass.
I'm going to bench this person.
Do you mean men's like mating honest out here?
Honestly, can I go?
So I did the dating app thing.
Like I said, it was a full fetish.
Like, that's all it was.
Did you put it on your...
Sorry.
So how do they know that you're trans?
That's what I was going to ask.
You should put it out there.
I don't care how passable you are.
I feel like you have to disclose.
Respect.
Respect.
And this is why.
Mary Pass.
Because they're especially like.
Ding.
Like, there's like, okay, let's say I go out on the guy and the sex.
And honestly, you know, I'm going to talk about this right now.
At my job.
Do it.
Let's go.
No, at my job, I had an experience with an old coworker.
I'm not going to say that.
Say his full name.
No.
Which is so funny.
But I got offended because long story short, he basically said that if he went on a date with a trans girl, he didn't know that she was trans.
And she is like a fucking baddie.
Like, I'm talking ass, titties, like, operators.
You don't even need to fucking tell.
Like, this is the baddest bitch.
And he found out that she was trans, he said that he would feel the need to bring out his weapon.
Exactly.
It's a safety issue.
It's a safety issue.
Like, it doesn't matter what you are.
Like, I feel like you can be the most countiest, like, fucking bad, bitchery, like, passable girl.
I feel like you have to disclose.
And I get it.
Some girls, like, it kind of comes to a pride thing too with trans girls.
It's like, well, I worked so hard to get to my womanhood and blah, blah, blah, blah.
I get that, and I fully respect it.
Like, whatever you want to be stealth.
But when it comes to a man, and especially in dating, and like I said, this is my opinion.
And like, if any other, like, trans girls are watching, if any other trans girls are watching, any of the dolls are watching, hit my DMs because, and if I'm saying something that's misinforming, educate me, because I'm totally open to that.
But I feel like when you're one of the dolls, you have to disclose when it comes to dating because this is how there's things like murders, violence, you know, X, Y, and Z.
This is how trans girls like end up in sticky situations nine times out of ten because they don't disclose.
Got it disclosed.
How are you absolutely X and Y?
I will say that.
However, I will say though, that being in the social scene, I can walk into a bar and I'm the most confident bitch ever.
A man will still go out of his way.
And these are the ones that I'm talking about that are like little closets or whatever you want to call them to be like, Tranny.
I agree.
I've heard the same thing from some of my friends.
They're like, if I found out, because I went to Thailand and they're like, bro, like the ladyboys, whatever.
I didn't do anything.
No, I mean, but they're like, if I found out that, because a lot of them are really believable, like they get their Adam's apple shaved down, they get their dick cut off.
Like, they get everything done.
And I've heard the same thing from like a couple of my friends.
They're like, yeah, like, I'm, like, I'm swinging if I find out that.
No, I'm agreeing with you.
I'm agreeing with you.
This is why I fully always recommend to the dolls to all of my trans girls.
Even trans men, like, anybody with a situation like that, you have to disclose.
Gotta disclose.
Gotta disclose.
I agree.
I 100%.
Like, even when it comes to dating apps, like you asked me if I put in there, hell yeah, dude.
I respect me.
I'm not going to risk myself fucking being in a situation where something stupid could happen to me over something that, one, I could have easily prevented.
And two, because I don't want to spend my time with somebody who's ignorant or doesn't agree with me.
Then that's on them.
I respect your opinion, but you know what?
It's not worth my time.
That's personal responsibility that us conservatives love.
Honestly, what's funny?
Yeah, honestly, no, yours are being rude.
No, like you're being rude.
I'm talking about a big situation.
You talk about side converss and sidebars, and you're laughing at me this whole time.
It's really fucking rude.
No, like, let's talk about it.
Like, we're going to have to do it.
Yeah, like, I'm genuinely, I'm not talking.
Hey, listen.
I'm not saying this to be confrontational, but like, I'm all for people having opinions and fully respecting them.
But I'm not going to deal with the side laughing because it's not over.
It's really rude.
Stop professional.
Because I'm 100% open to hearing your point of view on things.
No, you're not going to be able to do that.
That's totally fair.
I'm not going to be laughing at you.
I don't think the man of God would conduct himself this way.
I'm sorry.
There's certain ways to show face.
If you want to go laugh about it in your private doors.
Project onto me what you think a man of God would do.
I just want to say for the record, I respect you saying that you disclose that.
I think that's a very good thing, and I think that that's healthy for society, and I think that more trans people absolutely should do that so that we can minimize violence because I don't think violence is a good way to deal with anything in this realm at all.
And I think what you're saying is good in that aspect.
No, and also, let me just finish something by saying that.
I'm not also saying that trans girls only get hate crimed or whatever, violenced or whatever, just because of that.
They get hate crime as well because of other shit too.
Yeah, but that's not.
Which I don't support.
That is just one of the things that's a preventable one from happening to us.
It's preventable.
Yeah, that was my whole point of that.
Again, I respect you disclosing that.
And I also want to state for the record, I don't support violence against trans people.
I don't think that's a good thing.
Violence is wrong.
I'm glad we can all agree on that.
Don't hurt for no reason.
But don't fucking play with me because it's you.
Okay, so the original question.
Have you ever fucked someone up who like was like, yo, I hate trans people and they were like trying to get me?
Well, if I'm being 100% honest, like, I don't give a fuck what people's opinions are.
Like, I'm the baddest bitch.
You can't change my fucking mind.
Yeah, maybe come off as delusional, but I don't give a fuck what the fuck has.
You think I dress like this and have fucking 40-inch weave in my head and like lashes in person, man?
Absolutely not.
I do it because you know what?
I feel beautiful and with or without it.
And like, I don't give a fuck if you like.
One thing Shaman would do, though, is play with me in my face.
May I ask you?
Don't play with me in my face like that because that's when it becomes an issue.
And that's supposed for anybody because you know what?
I'm the most patient person ever.
I don't care if we're at the club or at dinner, whatever.
I'll let some shit slide.
But if it keeps on going.
She's in very patient.
No, you're fucking playing with me because that's why you're playing with my face.
She's in very patient as well.
Okay, point taken.
I have a question for you, if I may ask.
Are you on hormones?
Yes.
How long have you been on hormones?
Since I was 19, 20.
How do you feel like it's changed you as a person?
I'm a lot more emotional.
However, I feel like it also made me a little more strong-minded.
How so?
I'm not as much of a cry baby as I used to be.
Really?
Got it.
Okay, so the original point was, or the initial question was, we were talking about body count, and I was basically just going around asking.
Somebody knocking?
Somebody knocking?
Might be one of your neighbors.
Sounds like it's one of your neighbors.
Yeah, so it's the wall.
Is it the wall?
I don't know.
Oops, Eric, do you want to check on it?
No, don't.
Don't open the door.
Eric, don't open the door.
I don't want to open it.
I'll just check.
Okay.
So, why are you checking, Eric?
Don't check.
No checking.
Don't open the door.
Don't kidnap you, Eric.
Yeah, they're going to kidnap you.
Do your neighbors complain a lot?
Huh?
Do your neighbors complain a lot?
And whatever.
We're just going to continue.
Okay, so the body count thing, right?
The body count thing.
We were talking about, what's it called?
Asking for the money.
Sorry, I'm fucking distracting me.
Yeah, so you guys all answered.
Some of you said, maybe it's a little iffy.
I'll tell you this, and maybe this is me giving girls a bit of game here.
If a guy is asking what your body count is, even on the first date, that means that he's actually interested in you.
And he's trying to like, because if a guy is also socially retarded.
Yeah.
I don't think that's a good idea.
He's the type of guy who needs to hire Billy's friend for his dating profile pictures.
No, I disagree.
I disagree.
No, because if it's important to you, if it's important to you, why, like, I think it's best to get those sorts of potential deal breakers, just get them out on the first date.
Certain things are appropriate and certain things are first.
I hear you, but I think that makes it more like a meeting.
And I've gone on one date with a guy who made it like that.
He's like, would you be down to get married very quickly after started dating?
I also don't think you should wait a long time for an engagement.
And also, after you get married, I don't think you should wait a long time to have a baby.
I'm like, like, whoa, this is not a business deal.
Relationships are complicated.
Need a connection before you make sure that everything's aligned and that's like the basis of everything is a connection.
So I think those questions are important, to come in time.
But I don't think you should just go into a first date and like rip out all your hardest questions and types like how do you want to raise a kid, like those are very important, but if you don't even have that initial connection, it's like there's no point.
But if a girl says like look if, if a girl says something that, for example yeah, that is just, and you are looking for something long-term, whether you're a girl or a guy.
And for example, if someone says I don't want to have kids and you ask, do you want to have kids one day?
That's, that's a reasonable first date question.
But some people might say whoa that's, this is our first date meeting.
No no no no, but that's but.
But why aren't men allowed to have these ask, these sorts of questions?
That could be constant for sure.
Kids is what you want to have in the future.
Your body count is things that you've done in relationships and if somebody's not going to be in a relationship, why do you need to share such personal information with them that they're just going to like go and not have any use for.
If you tell someone like oh yeah, I want kids, like that's not really personal information, that's just like, do you like chicken?
Yeah, but yeah.
But on the one-on-one guys guys, it's like, it's like this, okay, if i'm going on a first date with a girl Brian, i'm gonna ask her yo like, do you want kids?
Do you want to have a family?
Like, do you believe in god?
Are you down with traditional values?
All that kind of stuff, all of that.
And and yes, around here in California that's gonna turn a lot of girls off, which is why I don't date girls here in the area.
All that's fair game first date.
But the thing, the body count question bro, it's like a socially we're not allowed to say the word retarded, but it's a social socially.
It's a socially retarded question to ask on the first date.
Because, say the art word from here on out.
Because if a guy says hey, what's your body count on the first date, the woman's gonna be like, are you kidding me right now?
Like like, vet her, you know, find out if you guys have chemistry, and if so, i'm bros, i'm gonna give you guys a tip, check out her social media, check out her facebook, her instagram, all that kind of stuff.
Look at her past.
If you see her partying and you see her with a bunch of chads going out to the clubs in the past, you can be reasonably certain that she's got a decently high body count.
Okay now, not all women do, but if there are those indicators you can be reasonably certain.
Now, if you like the girl and you guys have chemistry and all that kind of stuff, you start building that relationship with her and then a few dates in if it, if an opportunity comes up where it's not weird, you could ask her.
But if you ask her on the first date, right off the bat, it's like bro, like she's probably gonna be like yo are you kidding me right now, dude?
And it'll probably kill the vibe.
Well, it depends on what her body count is.
If she has a high body count, she's gonna be really, really like difficult to break open and want to tell you that.
But if she has a low body count, she's gonna tell you that right away, and should, because women know they would.
They know that a low body count is like something to flex and a high body count is something to hide, but no like.
So it depends on the kind of woman.
So I kind of see what Brian's point is.
I will add a conversation because if you add if, if you ask someone on the first date hey, what's your body count?
Uh, you know, and she's hesitant no I, I disagree.
It might be that she has a high body count, but it also might be that like, it's just really invasive because you're just getting to know them.
I think yeah, I think a lot of girls with high body counts Are actually very happy to tell you.
They're very empowered.
That's exactly on the show.
That's been true on the show for sure.
The chicks with the highest body counts have been like 39.
I will add a caveat.
I will add a caveat.
I was talking to a girl recently.
I knew that she was extremely interested in me.
She knew that I was very interested in her right off the bat.
And I could tell she was very modest, had good values, good morals, all that kind of stuff, a bit younger.
And I asked her, Are you a virgin?
And she told me this was in the first 48 hours of us talking, and she said yes.
Okay, so like there are times, like if there's sufficient interest and you guys are already vibing, you can ask.
But like, if you just, it's a socially R thing to just ask right off the bat until you have the vibes established.
It's a great way to kill the vibe.
Would you guys agree?
It's almost like, why are you asking that?
Is that your single determinant factor if you want to be in a relationship with somebody?
Because if you're just going off a number alone, of course, that's important.
Everybody should have their own standards for themselves.
But like, if your number's like, oh, five or more, I'm done.
I'm leaving.
Like, it just seems very disingenuous.
And it just seems like you're not really looking for the right things, even though you actually are.
It's just, there's always a way to go about things and there's always a way to deliver things.
That's with everything in life, whether it's political things, whether it's dating, there's always the right way to deliver.
It's a third date.
Third date question.
I feel like if you're not a person, no, it's not a third date question.
I think it's a third date question.
It's of any date question.
If the vibe is there.
Exactly.
It depends.
Every girl's different.
Every relationship's different.
Every connection is different.
If you feel, there's those people that you meet and it's like, wow, where have you been my whole life?
Like, our souls are aligned.
I just feel like I've known you for a million years.
Those things, I think you stay up all night talking about your childhood, your body count, when I lost my virginity, all those types of little tiny things.
But if it's just like a random girl that you match with on Hinge, you meet, you take her out for drinks, like, yo, so what's your body count?
Like, that just makes you look so bad as a guy, even if it's coming from a great place, which I can acknowledge.
Okay, so I think you can first off frame the question in a better way.
I mean, I don't know exactly how I would articulate it, but you could say something like, you've been ran through.
Yeah, I'm sure that would go over that was changing.
Before you ran through, you could ask, like, are you willing to have sex before marriage?
And if they say yes, then say, do you have sex outside of relationships?
Things like that.
Like, I'm somebody that that is a big thing for me.
Like, I don't, I'm not a one-night stand type of girl, just put it that way.
Like, I'm physically incapable of sleeping with somebody if I just met them and think they're cute.
I'm an emotional person.
I like connecting.
I'm a girl.
I like commitment.
And I think it would undersell myself if I just slept with a guy who thought I was good looking and liked me for a night.
Like, I want to see a man try and vie, and that's what courting is.
Women used to be courted by men.
Now they slide up on your pictures, like your story, and they're like, I'm in.
No, you're not.
I mean, that's because courtship is reserved for ladies, you know, gentlemen and ladies.
Most women today are not ladies.
A lot of men today aren't gentlemen.
That's not a bad point.
So a lot of women have slept with 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 people.
They're dating multiple people at the same time.
You don't get courtship if you're not a traditional woman.
Point point.
Period.
Yeah, for sure.
And most women are not traditional women, and they're dating multiple people.
I'm not going to court you when you have three other dudes that you're going to be talking about.
Why don't you ask that question?
Why don't you ask that question?
Are you talking to anybody else?
I do ask that question.
I think that's more.
That's a better first date question.
I do ask that question, but I do care about your past too.
I feel like if you.
Are you open to having sex before marriage?
I think that's a much easier question than a body count because usually the girl will lend information like, oh, yeah, I had sex this time, but it's important to me.
That's a good question to ask because if they're like, oh, yeah, I don't think that sex is serious.
So it's an interesting question, too, because I know that you don't want to get married.
And it also actually leaves me wondering, Brian, like, if you're not interested in getting married, why do you care about what the girl's body count is?
Is that a serious question?
I think it's a great question.
If you're interested in a serious long-term relationship with the girl that you're talking to, hygiene doesn't correlate to body count, though.
So we talked a little bit about this last time, but you seem to think that it's somehow incapable.
It's impossible to have a serious long-term monogamous relationship with a girl without also having a marriage.
Well, I'm not under the impression that you want like a decades-long, do you want a decades-long relationship with a woman outside of marriage?
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With like kids involved and stuff too?
I mean, right now I'm a little on the fence with when it comes to kids.
I'm not yet.
I'm not 100% yes, not 100% no.
Do you just not want the government involved?
Is that your thought on that?
That's part of it.
I mean, just the fact of the matter is, is that marriage, divorce is, for me, I don't see the benefit.
From a religious point of view, I don't have an issue with it.
But with the government, when it comes to divorce, when it comes to the financial ramifications, when it comes to just being the court system, which has a pretty gnarly bias against men, just doesn't, sorry, there's a guys, there's a fly on the microphone I had to blow the way.
Sorry to destroy your earlobes there.
Nice.
Okay, fucking flies harassing us.
Yeah, just men get destroyed in divorce.
And women initiate 80% of divorces.
That's 90% if they're college educated.
So I just, I don't see, I really don't see the benefit.
Most, the vast majority of people who pay alimony and child support are men.
So it's just all the negative outcomes of divorce disproportionately impact men.
So there's just absolutely no incentive to get married.
I'm a businessman.
I said this last time.
I'm a businessman.
You know I'm a businessman because you find me at my places of business.
I do not enter into contracts that are dog shit.
And marriage is a contract and it's a terrible contract for me.
I'm not afraid of California.
In all Western countries.
As long as you don't want kids, whatever.
If you want kids, it's still a pretty stupid plan.
Is it still a terrible contract?
No-fault divorce.
How is it a bad contract?
Is it a bad contract if you get a prenup?
Prenups are constantly challenged and thrown out.
Look, at the end of the day, when you get married, if you have a divorce, unless you're both really amicable, there's going to be lawyers involved.
If as the guy, you're the primary breadwinner, you have to pay for your lawyer.
You have to pay for her lawyer.
You have to pay for yours.
Lawyers charge like $300 an hour.
You're going to get screwed there.
Then you're going to have to pay her money.
Then you're going to have to pay alimony.
Then throw in child support.
She gets the house.
She gets the dog.
She gets everything.
Fuck no.
But that's in a state with no fault divorce, though.
I happen to be in California.
Right, right.
But like in another state, would it be different where it doesn't have that?
Men get destroyed in every single state in this country when it comes to divorce and alimony.
But there's, I get it, it's not 100%, but there is certain clause.
I question that to help you there.
I question if that's true.
And also, like, you can't bet.
I don't think the more red states if it's as bad.
You don't believe that you can court out a woman who won't do that to you?
Like, you just, like, what about, you don't say you have to find someone and marry them right away?
What if you're with someone for 10 plus years?
You guys are living together.
You think all of a sudden you're going to get married and boom, 12th year, she's going to fuck you over.
Like.
I'm not a gambling man.
Well, I'm not making that bet with a woman.
She would have to be.
I hope you don't have kids.
Even if you date them for 10 years.
Whoa, that's kind of a fucked up thing to say.
I mean, if you're going to, if that's your ideology towards it, I mean, it doesn't seem like you're too concerned about what your mother's child's position in life is going to be.
If you have a child involved, it doesn't matter if you're married or not.
That's still going to be a lot of court fees and all that stuff is still going to come into play if you decide to have children, even if you're not married.
Well, there's child support there.
I don't see what that has to do with kids, but I would much rather have to just pay child support.
And by the way, I would fight for shared custody.
Unfortunately, it happens to be the case in this country, in most Western countries, that men are, it's almost, well, it is sexist.
Men are presumed that, you know, they are not capable of being capable of being capable caretakers.
So women are overwhelmingly awarded custody when it comes to custody to disputes.
So that's, I mean, another component of the court system where there's a bias against men, but I would much rather just pay child support than also have to pay alimony and then pay for, in the event of a divorce, have to pay for her attorney and my attorney and their, you know, $300, $400 an hour in billable hours.
So no thanks.
It's just not a good move as a man.
It's just not a good move.
I have a question for your bride.
Are your parents married?
They are.
Oh, wow.
They're still together.
They're married.
My parents are.
But we live in a different time now.
We live in a very different time.
And people maneuver in very different ways.
Look, do you think most people that get married, most men and women who get married, they go into it thinking, they maybe go into it thinking, this is the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with.
I love this person to death.
And then two years later, three years later, one year later, nine months later, they're divorced.
They're going through a contested, brutal divorce where they, typically the man gets financially demolished.
A lot of people get married for the wrong reasons.
That also is a play, though.
There's a lot of happy marriages out there, too.
So well, I don't want to even risk that as a possibility.
You don't want to risk the loss when like the happiest you could ever.
I mean, it's up to you, but I understand that.
I could be happy outside of the world.
I think on the other side of that risk could also be like the most happy and fulfilled that you'll ever feel in your life.
And I don't think there's anything in life more fulfilling than getting married and having a family.
And nothing on this earth, I feel like, could match that.
But I do understand that not everybody wants that.
And there's different desires for people.
And we're in a different age when everybody needs that.
But I do absolutely believe that that is the highest level of fulfillment and achievement that a man and woman.
Sure.
Marriage is two people staying together under threat of lawsuit from the other.
And it's usually-I don't believe in kids.
I don't believe in the kids equal to the children under God's eyes.
Guys, marriage, I would counter that by saying marriage is two people coming together, making vows to one another that they take very, and not all people take these vows seriously.
Most marriages end in divorce, I'm pretty sure.
So yes, yes, you can't.
You can't be bringing kids into this world without a divorce.
That's why I'm saying a lot of people don't take those vows seriously, but people who do actually take those vows seriously, like it is till death do us part.
And like, I'm going to be there for you.
Sure.
No matter what happens.
And there is a lot of value in that.
But how many people say, even in romantic relationships, I will love you forever.
I want to be with you forever.
One year later, I hate this person.
I can't stand you.
I need to get away.
People say things.
For example, you said a vow.
How often are vows broken?
I mean, we see it in divorce.
You said, and I agree with you, marriage ought to be till death do us part.
I agree with you.
If I were to marry a woman, it has to be till death do us part.
Words have to have meaning.
If I say till death do us part, I mean that shit.
And I want the woman to mean it too.
Like, so part of nothing nowadays.
Go ahead.
Yes, yes.
And you're right about that.
And part of the value in marriage historically has been having a ceremony in front of all of your friends and families and loved ones where both of you guys are making this commitment.
And there's an element of honor that comes into it where you're saying, I promise to take care of you and be with you for the rest of my life.
And you're making that promise in front of everybody that you know, right?
And so there's accountability there.
And there's accountability for both people because you're making that promise in front of your spouse's entire friends and family.
And they know, you know, if you cheat on her or you screw up in the relationship, you're accountable not just to the person that you're marrying, but to all of the people in your family and hers that you made those promises in front of, right?
This is something like, this has been something that's been really interesting for me to observe as a wedding photographer because I'll shoot weddings where people will do these tiny little ceremonies at like the courthouse here in Santa Barbara and it's just them in front of an officiant and then they get married and that's it, right?
It's a totally different vibe in comparison to like watching your wife, your future wife, walk down the aisle with her father and him passing her off to you and trusting his daughter to you.
And then the handshake that happens between you and your wife's father and him looking you in the eyes and hugging you.
Even asking for the hand in marriage part.
Even the asking for the hand in marriage part, asking for the father's blessing.
Like there's so much honor and trust that goes into all of it.
And that is something that is like, it's so valuable.
Because if you just tell a person, yeah, I love you and I want to be with you forever, and that's one-on-one, that doesn't mean squat.
But if you say that in front of everybody that you know and love and they can all hold you accountable to it, there's a lot of value in that, man.
And there's deep shame and dishonor in breaking that.
Like my body count is 12.
You guys look at me as a scallywag.
And I'm telling you right now, if I get married, the only way it's ending in divorce, if he's physically harming me or something.
That's the only way I would okay a divorce.
I would, if once I'm married, I say those vows.
We're going to figure it out.
Here, Chase, let me just respond to what you said.
If we have kids, especially, we're figuring it out.
Everything that you just said sounds beautiful.
Sounds great.
All that stuff happens.
You said the father walks her down the aisle.
She's in the dress.
There's the handshake or whatever you said.
Cool.
That's great.
All that stuff happens.
And yet, what do we have?
A 50% divorce rate.
You said there's shame.
You said there's stigma.
There is no longer a societal shame for people that get divorced.
In fact, a girl need just go to one of her girlfriends and just say, hmm, I'm having, it's kind of, we're having some disagreements.
The girlfriend's going to be like, divorce them.
I don't know anything about it.
She's going to go to a therapist, divorce him.
Unless they don't have a divorce.
most therapists are steeped in feminism.
They're based.
So, Sarah, base, you're going to raise an important point.
Let me just finish really quick.
So, all that stuff you said, all the things, first off, the social stigma in the U.S., in most Western countries, non-existent.
I mean, unless you're in like very, your whole life.
Or you're in a religious environment.
Thank you.
Divorce is very fragile.
And Christianity is not an antidote to divorce.
I don't know what's in.
I was raised Catholic.
I don't know what's going on.
I disagree with that.
I disagree with that.
Because how many Christians and Catholics get divorced?
Is it a divorce?
We looked up the stats.
We looked up the stats on the last show.
I couldn't name one person that's divorced.
Hold on.
We looked up the stats on the last show.
There were contradicting stats.
People sent me more stuff after the fact.
The majority of, this is the thing, man.
This is why our society must return to God.
When people are, they actually take their faith seriously and they regularly attend church and they're actually serious about their faith in God.
Like the statistics that we pulled up before, these are people who aren't actually serious about their faith in God.
Have people who are actually serious about their faith in God and they're making that commitment before God and they know that they will be held accountable to it before their creator, like that is a big deal, man.
And when you factor those things in, the divorce rates, yes, the divorce rates are much lower.
Somebody sent me stats about this in my Instagram yesterday.
Somebody wrote a book about this and divorce in the Christian church.
When you have people that actually are faith seriously, I'm sure it's low.
It's very low.
It's not very low.
It is very, it's not very, very low.
It's not very low.
Yes, it is.
Just based off like numbers.
Like if we can't, I can't even name a single couple from my school of 400 kids that was divorced at my Catholic school.
I think you're part of the problem if your view is that pessimistic.
I'm not part of the problem.
No, wait.
I totally understand.
I totally understand that.
Let me just make a let you come in.
I just want to make a couple points here.
Chase, hypergamy does not care about a woman's godliness or her piety.
Yes, it doesn't matter.
Hypergamy still exists as an aspect of human nature, but there are women out there with principles, bro.
There are women out there with principles, but who actually women in the U.S.
I guess what I want to eventually get to is that women are incentivized to basically, there's such a major financial incentive for women to get divorced.
As soon as there's even a hint of unhappiness, and look, as a man, you should never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
No sane informed man would or should sign that contract.
As a businessman, it is one of the worst contracts you could possibly sign in your entire life.
If you're marrying a true feminine woman, though, if you're marrying a true feminine woman who's in touch with everything in motherhood, she would do everything in her possible being to make sure that she could keep her family together for her kids.
A true woman who has the right values, the right head on her shoulders, you will be able to tell that is not, there's no incentive to divorce.
When I think of divorce, because I'm going to have kids by that point, right?
I plan to have kids very soon after marriage.
The worst thing in my mind would have to make my kids go between homes.
That's the last thing I want.
I also wouldn't want them to be raised in a toxic household where we don't love each other, but that's not an incentive.
If you're marrying someone who thinks that divorce is a positive outcome for them, you really, really miss the mark on who you're marrying and you miss a lot of red flags throughout that dating process.
Maybe you were too worried about, not saying any person is a joke, it's mostly a joke.
Maybe you're too worried about her height and her body count and other things instead of her morals and morality because she wouldn't do those things.
There's no sensible woman.
Divorce is not some outlier occurrence that rarely happens.
Like I said, the divorce rate is 50%.
Maybe to you, but how chase me?
I would agree, every two women stays in the relationship and doesn't give up.
But I have a solution for you.
Something you would really like.
Judaism.
The woman can't ask for a divorce.
The guy has to give the get to allow them to divorce.
And if he divorces her, it's a contract that only the guy can give the get.
If they're in an initialism to your life, I don't know off the top of my head, but there are people who get divorced.
There's people who rush into marriages and get divorced, but we have social pressure to stay married.
But with Judaism, are you talking like, are you Orthodox Jew?
okay but there's a lot of a lot of Jews are secular and then there's a if you have a Jewish wedding you sign and get no matter what It's the legal contract.
And this is, I totally agree with you keeping the government out of marriage.
Let's say you're Muslim.
Let's say you're Catholic.
Let's say you're Christian.
Let's say you're Jewish.
Do you know what the solution is?
You can, I don't know what the term is.
You can be apostate.
You can leave your faith.
Then you can get out, get out.
I mean, Christians and Catholics can get out of their marriages, but you basically just, so you could just.
With Judaism, we believe that you can never leave Judaism.
If you're a Jew, you can convert to another religion.
You're always a Jew.
It's an ethnicity and a race.
But all as an individual.
Sure.
Outsiders can say, well, you're always this religion.
However, as an individual, like, there's no law that is forcing you to stay in a marriage.
So, I mean, you say there's a get.
You say that.
It's a contract.
It's a contract that if the man leaves, it says in the contract, you sign out you're at the altar under the tuba.
Contracts are broken all the time.
If you break the contract, the man is responsible.
The man has to be able to.
Okay, if a woman wants to divorce a man in the Jewish community, she cannot get remarried.
And a rabbi will not remarry her if she does not have the get from her previous relationship.
Because religion's a whole nother topic.
That's what I agree with you, though.
I think your problem might be that the government is so heavily involved in marriage.
And that's a big thing where I separate that, especially when it comes to gay marriage and things of that sort.
To marriage, me, if my rabbi marries me in the eyes of Hashem and under God's eyes, we are married.
It doesn't matter what the government says, we're married.
And you can become an apostate and then get out of your marriage.
But you can't convert out of Judaism.
And you can never remarry Jesus.
That's the bigger problem, I guess.
Let's ask a productive clarifying question.
So as a woman with religious convictions who it sounds like you will never get divorced, or at least you have that.
God willing.
I really hope not.
That sounds horrible.
It's my worst nightmare.
By your own choice.
By your own choice, will you, can you confidently say you will never get divorced after getting married?
I mean, I don't cheat or beat you or anything like that.
Yeah, if nothing goes wrong in the marriage, I think there's always hard times in marriages.
I would absolutely stay committed.
I'm a very loyal person, but I think it's also like you plan and God laughs in that sense of like, I have this dream of what I would like.
I would love to be like my grandparents, married for 70 years since you're young, committed, beautiful children, generations.
But it also is a messed up world.
And I am a realist in that sense.
And I know that things come in, but if it was just like, I don't like him anymore, no, I wouldn't divorce him.
Okay, okay.
So like everybody has a dream about how their marriage is going to go.
Everybody wants to live happily ever after and like have just the best.
The fairy tale.
Yeah, 100%.
And a lot of people fall in hard times, right?
Like let's imagine, you know, you said that you like strong masculine men and you want a man who is strong enough to actually lead you.
Let's say you marry a man and you guys fall in hard times.
Like, I don't know, maybe he gets paralyzed.
Maybe some terrible accident happens and his nuts get chopped off.
And like all of a sudden, his body has stopped producing testosterone and he stops being like the vital, strong man that he was when you married him.
And you guys fall in tough times.
Like in a situation like that, would you stay with him?
Let's say those hard times, you know that they're going to last forever.
Well, according to her, she literally cannot.
No, you can.
You can say, I want a divorce, but your husband has to give you the contract that says you're officially divorced because otherwise you can't get remarried.
Oh, so you can just continue nagging him and being a pain in his ass until he does grant you.
Well, there's a lot of problems.
Sounds like a great.
No, there's a lot of problems in the community where the communities will help shun guys who don't give gets to people because it's abusive.
Yeah, but hold on.
Well, it's a societal situation.
Marriage is not between just two individuals and God.
There's also an important marriage.
The basis of marriage is to have children and society need families.
I want an answer to my question.
I want an answer to my question.
In a situation like that where you guys fall in hard times and he stops being the man that you married, you made this commitment before God.
Would you stick to it?
Leave his, like him potentially wanting to get divorced out of the equation.
Let's say it's all in your hands.
Would you stick with it?
I think the biggest factor in that moment, everyone would want, I think everyone would want to be like, yes, of course.
But I think the biggest factor would be if we had children or not.
I want babies and lots of them.
That is extremely important to me to procreate and be a mother.
And if I was no longer able, if this guy was no longer able to make me a mother, that is a goal that is my biggest goal in life.
So I would go pursue that goal.
And I don't think because certain things happen that you should give up your biggest goal in life to pass on your genetics.
You're saying if that dream of becoming a mother became compromised after marrying this guy, you would consider a divorce.
Yes, because being a mother is like the one day, God willing, not right now.
But like that is, I feel like why I was put on this earth, to leave my mark, to make it a better place, but also to raise children, raise them to be good members of society, teach them the ways of the world.
And if I wasn't able to do that, I would probably, but you're kind of proving Brian's point, which is like it's till death do us part as long as things go the way that I really want them to go.
Well, if a freak accident happens and somebody's half their body gets chopped off, those are things that aren't general, and I think you have to treat it when it happens.
I hope it doesn't.
Till death do us part in sickness and in health.
Yes.
There's certain things that aren't.
It would be God's will.
It would be God's will.
It would be God's will if you married a man and he was in some catastrophic accident where he can no longer have children.
It is God's will that you do not have children.
I think this is the same thing, like trying to justify abortion with certain things where it just, these are such extreme 1% of 1% that like this isn't, the average guy is not getting his balls chopped off in a freak helicopter crashing into him.
I'm sorry.
This doesn't happen.
Divorcing is more likely.
So I think if you gave me like a general situation.
But what if you married a guy and like there wasn't some freak accident like that and he just happened to be infertile?
That happens too.
Oh, that's more real.
They would probably cover that he was fertile or not before.
I think that's something that people get married, right?
You want kids.
I think a guy would know if he was fertile or not before getting married.
I don't know how guys know if they're fertile.
We've got polyesters.
We've got all sorts of things that are compromising.
We've got all sorts of things that are compromising fertility in both the sexes.
And it's like, you know, he might be fertile before you marry him, but then like, who knows, something could happen.
He might develop a condition or something within a few years of you guys marrying.
If his ability to procreate with you gets compromised, but there's no freak accident involved.
Like, is it still a deal breaker?
I think these are such one-off cases that it's hard to give such a strong yes because these are such freak random things.
God forbid that that's not going to anybody.
Well, male infertility is randomly happening overnight.
No, no, no, but here's the thing.
You say, well, let's assume he was just infertile the entire time.
I mean, you weren't, he never tried to have a kid with another woman.
He didn't try to have kids with you before marriage.
So it's, I don't know what the infertility rate is amongst men, but it's not so much of an outlier as some like catastrophic accident happening.
So here's an interesting way to flip the situation.
What if you guys got married and God forbid, hypothetically, you found out that you were infertile and he wanted to divorce you?
How would you feel about that?
So that would be really sad, but at the same time, like those aren't, that's not just something that you just find out.
Like I'm as a woman, I would know if I lost my period, if I you go through changes and you would know that's not something where you're like, you wake up, you're like, oh, guess today is not your period where you're not infertile.
Yeah.
Aren't there a lot of women who just have to do that?
Yeah, you could have your period struggle having children.
I feel and also some women's wombs aren't meant to carry.
She feels like fertile.
I don't know, but honestly, the problem of fertility and all that stuff is tough because I don't support IVF or things of that nature.
But I do just, without flipping it to the positive side, I hope everybody is able to have the kids they want.
And I hope nobody has to deal with the struggles of infertility because it's very, very difficult.
So hopefully God blesses this all with abundance.
Thank you.
Amen.
I agree.
I think we kind of got into the weeds.
Let's move on.
Okay.
It's real negative.
Yeah, let's move on to and hopefully.
These are valuable.
I just want to say, I know it is negative, but these are valuable, hard questions to ask because, look, in my opinion, I disagree with your take because I take that vow before God extremely seriously, right?
Like, if my wife became bald or if she became fat, or like, you know, those are looks, though.
Those are not fertility.
Some freak accident happened to her, she became infertile or whatever.
It's like, I'm still, for me personally, I'm still making a vow before God that like I have to honor.
And like, I just wish more of our society was like on board with that because if we were, we wouldn't have such high divorce rates.
I'm not saying I'm against that.
I'm just saying it's such a unique situation.
I really just hope I don't run into that, honestly.
What do you think about it when I get that?
In fatness and in health, right?
What do they say?
What do they say in the UFC?
Protect yourself at all times, gentlemen.
Yes.
Do not get married.
Do not cohabitate.
That's all I have to say.
Okay.
You'll be a lot happier if you find a nice woman to marry and have children.
See, well, women have an incentive to say that because what incentive do I have?
You did prove what incentive do I have to stretch my whole belly out, ruin my whole figure?
It's a bad contract.
Well, we're talking about marriage, not kids.
I said, I don't want to have a side conversation.
Go ahead.
I was just saying, like, I don't think I proved his point because I'm not saying, oh, I found something out.
Yeah, I dip in a second, never think about it twice.
I'm saying it's a very sad, tough situation.
And I think it's not a black and white thing where it happens on the daily.
No, not divorce.
I'm saying if a freak accident happened, and you're for me, fertility is the biggest thing, procreating.
If that was no longer an option, that is a very unique situation rather than like if he cheats on me or if I just don't like him that much.
Those are different situations.
But here's my concern a little bit about what you said.
And I think Chase is sort of echoing me on this.
You seem like you have your head on your shoulders pretty well.
You're an intelligent woman.
You're an attractive woman.
It sounds like you're a pious woman.
Hell yeah, Brian.
Piety.
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
And yet, though, you don't have this gung-ho-ness when it comes to marriage that I would expect from someone who is godly and who is pious.
And so that almost reinforces my position that marriage is a risky proposition for men.
What do you mean by gung-ho?
Like, like, it is.
Is till death do us part and says, death do us part, but you're like, well, you know.
You guys gave me the well.
You're like, well, what if a helicopter drops out of the earth and cuts his body in half?
If you just asked me if I would stay committed to my man for the rest of my life, absolutely 1,000% in the afterlife, same.
But you guys threw out like, what if he gets hit by a truck and then his arm is stuck to his ear the rest of his life and then he can only touch you like this?
That's kind of true.
You guys gave me the most wack situation ever.
Give me a normal situation.
But also it is a risk.
And I do think that like marriage within my community is very different.
I have a lot of friends that got married young and I've seen a few people divorce, which is like really sad.
But I am against like the no-fault divorce.
I think that you should do every single thing that you can in your power, especially if you have kids, to keep that family unit together because the nuclear family is the basis of this country.
And I think the decline in the nuclear family is responsible for the majority of issues that we see, whether it's men, it's women.
And it leads us to this question: who's more to blame for the downfall of society?
Men or women?
So let me, I just pulled up a stat here on male infertility.
So apparently, male infertility affects approximately 7% of all men.
So that's a decent chunk of men.
But in humans, it accounts for 40 to 50% of infertility.
And something like 15% of couples struggle when it comes to conceiving.
And to push it even beyond the infertility point, yes.
I mean, it was a crazy scenario that I was proposing.
However, like, you know, you clearly articulated that your dream is to have kids and become a mother, which is an honorable and worthy dream to have.
I salute that.
I wish more women had that.
With that in mind, like, it does have to just be a helicopter chopping off his balls.
Okay, point blank to answer your question.
He could, hold on.
Could also, like you know, you guys could get married and in a couple years he could develop cancer or something like that and it could be the kind of diagnosis where, like he's sick but he's gonna be sick with it for a long time, might compromise his ability to provide a bit, you know, especially provide for the family that you want to build with him.
Like that that kind of stuff can happen.
You know these are better example and in that example it's an easy, absolutely yes, in sickness, in health that's exactly what that's how I feel about it that I would be kind of like um, I don't know what the best way to describe it like I would be grateful to be able to support somebody I love that much in sickness.
Like if somebody even my friends, when they're sick I really enjoy helping them, making them food, things of that sort so to be there for your spouse, your partner, your other half, you become one flesh when you get married, absolutely.
And if in that situation, cancer we've had I have a lot of family friends who've had dealt with cancer.
It's very horrible f cancer, but if you can no longer have kids okay, then maybe it's my plan to adopt and give some child who was given up by their parents the best life that they've ever had and could ever have.
Absolutely, I would do that and that's why I was just like you guys.
The example you're giving me is so freaking random, like if nothing's wrong with him except he lost half his body.
I don't know, you know okay um, so I only know the right thing.
Yeah, we're gonna move on, let me do, let me try to get a couple soup chats, and actually you know uh yeah, I should get these soup chats really quick to the.
You need a shot.
Did we do this one, okay?
Uh, we just got one, Ivan Jr, 100 um, single for many years.
Ivan Jr, thanks for the hundred bucks, bro.
Single for many years.
Six bed house, five cars, four businesses, retired girl, mid 30s, not very picky, spent thousands on dinners.
I get judged so fast.
I don't have a chance.
Once they see what I have, they want my luxury car and they're not focused on natural connection.
Brian Chase bingo yo hey, we should get them on the show, Ivan.
Yeah, you should absolutely come on the show, bro.
I just want to say, dude for the, for the guys out there who have money, like one of the most interesting experiments that guys in your position could do is like buy like an old beat up pickup truck, post your images on your instagram and social media, not with your luxury cars, not with your nice house, but with your old beat up pickup truck.
Right, because chicks are gonna vet you.
This is this is my thought on this.
Chicks are gonna vet you.
They're gonna if, if they, if they see that you have money, you know that's going to uh confound the women that are interested in you.
You're not going to know if they're interested in you for your money or your personality.
But if you're flexing your, your shitty old pickup truck and none of your uh, wealth you know, then you'll know who the real ones are.
You know what i'm saying?
That's my thought on that word based.
Really quick Eric, can you pull up twitch, twitch.
Your problem is you're spending time writing out all your personality traits and best qualities on a podcast like this.
Any man who's doing that is not going to find a high value woman.
I'm telling you right now.
It's weird, it's quite weird, are you?
Are you talking on the Super Chatters?
Yes, to list every single one of your best qualities on a podcast, he's saying, it makes it hard to find women.
Be nice to him, I know, but the way the, how long the list went on if, like in my example, like if he would have been like, I'm a pretty well-off man.
I struggle finding someone because that's all I look at.
But somebody who feels the need to list every single one, six bedroom household, five cars, this, dumb, dumb, you're overcompensating for something.
That's he's trying.
What it seems like to me is that's what he's shoving in everybody's face.
So, of course, if that's what you're shoving in everybody's face, that's the woman you're going to attract is the woman who only wants to use you for your materialistic items.
That's all you need.
That's all you can talk about.
And you may have a point because if you look at his profile picture right there, it is a retired model.
It is himself retired at 30?
Seducing based on the flesh, right?
And so perhaps he is taking that approach in life.
However, he's retired model.
Yes.
And not only you may have a point.
However, he is touching on an important aspect, which is that wealthy men, I know a number of wealthy men.
It's hard for them to find women who actually want them for who they are.
Then don't lead with your wealth.
Go ahead.
I was going to say, not only that, but like nine times out of ten, like, if I see a guy trying to flex some shit in front of me, I'm automatically going to assume, okay, you're broke.
Because the guy with money isn't going to be out here flexing what it is they have because they know they got it like that.
Why do they feel they need to flex it?
If anything, they know it's smarter to not flex it.
Exactly.
It's one thing when you have money.
It's another when you make a personality.
I know you got money, but you're not out here flexing every single dollar you have every second.
You're here wearing a normal flannel and a black t-shirt.
So honestly, I would rather be with that than somebody who feels the need to be like, no, I have this, I have that.
I make this much.
I own this many estates.
I have this many cars.
I agree with Pico.
He's compensating for something.
He's like, look at all this.
But I think also, can you pull the chat up again, Brian?
I think also he is.
Sorry, what were you going to say really quick?
Just like flexing your cars and your money and all this and making wealth your personality.
You're kind of setting that standard for a woman to get any wealthy guy who's got all the things he's got needs to avoid showing any of it off for as long as humanly possible.
100%.
Like you're spending thousands on dinners.
There's no reason why you need to be spending $1,000 on a first date or dinners like that.
That's the woman you're attracting.
You're attracting a sugar baby.
Ivan, that's your problem right there.
Spent thousands on dinner.
I don't know if you're spending a shit ton of money on the dinners that you're taking them on.
Bro, I'll tell you this.
No dinner.
No doubt.
Ivan, I'll tell you this.
I was in Paris with, I studied photography when I was in college.
I went with my school to Paris for Fashion Week back in like 2015.
I met this gorgeous model after one of the fashion shows and I asked her if she wanted to go on a date.
She said that she had to go to Portofino the next day.
I said, well, next time you're out in California, let's get together.
So she came out to California like six months later, right?
And the thing about these model girls, you know how it is, man.
They get attention from so many dudes.
They've got all the football players sliding into their DMs.
I took her out on a date to Chipotle to see what her response would be.
And I'd never do this with chicks, but on that date, I made her pay for her own Chipotle just to see how she would react.
Just to see how she would react.
She rolled with it.
Top G.
She rolled with it and she was so cool about it.
And it was a fantastic date.
And I was like, yo, this is a solid woman.
That's the kind of move you got to play with these chicks, bro.
You can't be dropping hundreds on dinners, taking them out to the nicest steak dinners.
No dinners.
Zero dinners.
Don't tell men to split the bill 50-50.
No, I'm not telling dudes to split the bill.
Justify that to the men outer.
Don't tell men to make their women pay for Chipotle.
Yeah, I'm not telling dudes.
I'm not telling dudes to take their girls out to Chipotle and to make them pay for the dinner.
But what I will say is it is an excellent vetting technique.
Listen, Ivan.
Technically, I paid for my first date.
Ivan, your problem is that you're leading with your wealth.
You're leading with what you think is the most attractive thing, which is your money.
And if you're leading with that, you're going to get used for that, my friend.
He said, listen, I do have a downplayed car.
My point is I'm successful and I just want a stay-at-home wife without her needing to work.
I think he might be saying here, he has all these things, yet he's still struggling.
My point is, though, no matter what, even if he's just commenting that to say what he has going on, he wouldn't lead.
He wouldn't ever leave a comment like that on a podcast with this many viewers and this many subscribers.
Maybe, but maybe that's an inaccurate judgment of him.
Oh, sure, but still, his last comment, I have five cards, I have this.
And then now his next one, oh, I have a downplayed car.
Like, don't get confused.
Like, no.
I think the point that he's getting at is it's hard to find women who are not motivated by wealth and who actually want to be standing.
And my point is that that's the one you're seeking out.
I would have no problem with someone who we could, if we lived happily and I could stay at home with our kids, a lot of women would be fine with that.
It's the woman you attract is my whole point.
He's attracting those Miami, BBL, sugar baby, used to be maybe a stripper with all the money type of girls.
I think you should bring a girl to McDonald's and she should pay for you.
What?
I'm confused.
Like bring a chick to McDonald's and be like, get to the register, like order a shit ton of food, whatever.
She's going to get like a four count nuggets or whatever.
And you're going to be like, you just look at her and you're like, you got this, right?
Well, that's not, I kind of mentioned, if you don't know if you heard me, I said before I would never pay for a first date, but like technically with my current boyfriend, I technically paid for our first date.
Wow.
Technically.
Wow.
He didn't, he was upset by it, but we were at Starbucks.
I get points.
I think it just comes down to the energy.
Like, I think women just want to feel secure.
Like, they want a guy that's going to be a guy.
If you're a feminine woman, they don't give a shit if you have a ton of money.
They just want to know that they're going to be taken care of and that they can have the kind of lifestyle that they want, which is pretty basic.
Like, I think honestly, there are very few women that are looking for, that are gold diggers.
Truly.
They will find you.
You have to be doing something for gold diggers to be attracted to you.
And it's not just being wealthy.
Not to say that they're not out there.
Yeah, they're still there.
But if you're leading with that as your only thing, then you're going to have to.
That's not attractive to me.
I'm not going to be attracted to a gold digger.
Yeah, it's like if you want to find someone that's funny, like be funny.
If you want to find someone that's going to be compassionate and genuine, be genuine.
Don't lead with someone that's going to use you for the stuff that you think they want.
Madison, did you pay for your boyfriend on your first date?
Not on our first date.
But I wouldn't mind.
Do you simp for your boyfriend?
Yeah.
Do you simp for your boyfriend, Ali?
Yeah.
What do you guys do?
How do you simp?
How do I simp?
Like, I don't mind paying for his things.
Like, it's not like a deal for me.
He doesn't.
Okay, good.
He's still a Chad.
Okay.
He's still a legend.
Does your boyfriend vape?
Is he a vape god?
How he smokes.
No.
Huh?
No.
No?
No.
Are you the vape god in the relationship?
Got it in a second.
Okay, all right.
I don't know where I'm these cringe questions.
Okay.
Let's Twitch really quick.
Then our last thing to react to, then we're going to wrap.
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Marique's 84, thank for the prime.
This ski thing for the prime.
If you're feeling adventurous, thank you for the raid, man.
Appreciate it.
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Misfit, thank you for the follow.
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Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever mods.
If you can spam in the chat in the chat a little bit, the link, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow if you can.
Thank you guys.
Really appreciate all the support.
That's cool.
Thank you for the follow.
Appreciate the men.
Thank you for the man.
I gotta go soon.
I want to say something.
He has to be back by midnight.
We're going back to the next one.
I just want to ask every single day.
My boyfriend needs to be home before midnight.
I want to ask all the girls away from the story.
Time permitting.
Time permitting.
Is this, is it, is it true, you know, that you guys want a werewolf to take you in the middle of the night back to his lair, ravage you within an inch of your life, and then leave you so that you can be alone and think about if he loves you or not.
Is this a vampire diary script?
This is like kind of like a Twilight question.
No.
No?
No.
Not into that.
Even though I was like 13.
13-year-old fantasy.
I got my Twilight fantasy out of it.
I was like, eighth grade.
All right, all right.
Just ask, did that go the way you thought it would?
Not at all.
Not at all.
Honestly, I thought that there would be like red pills, the term 304.
Please, I really wish nothing but the worst upon you.
You guys, what is this?
It just means hoe, and you guys overuse it so much.
It's not just supposed to be hoe.
It's supposed to be a prostitute out walking the street.
You should play code.
Like, yeah, there's no reason.
Like, men know no idea what a 304 even is.
Just say ho.
It's not 304.
Just say ho.
304 is hella 304 is out here.
304 is a prostitute.
304.
304 is a prostitute.
Like actually selling their coochie on the street.
Yeah, you can say it's for money, but there's hella 304s.
304s.
You're like, oh, do we?
Stupid.
6-1-9.
8-1-0.
They're still going to keep saying it.
2-3-4.
Keep sounding stupid.
You know what that is?
Were you not singing Kiss Me Through the Phone by Soldier Boy?
No.
He's what I say.
Kiko 304.
That's fine, but.
Wait, I feel like you guys are using this word.
I don't even know where it's coming from.
Are you mad that everybody's using 304?
I'm so mad.
I'm so mad everyone keeps using 304.
Spam 304.
Yeah, spam 304 to make Kiko even maddening.
We need to get her to walk off again before the end of the show.
She's like, I'm about to walk out.
My boyfriend's gonna be very upset if I'm not home by midnight.
Spam Christ is Lord, spam 304.
Okay, so spam shapes.
Here's the last thing that we are going to react to.
Eric, you guys had a viral moment, you and Kiko, chasing Kiko, had a very viral moment back in November.
You're welcome.
I made you.
I was back in November.
I don't do this content shit.
Only you do.
So try it again.
You made each other?
Okay.
How about I made you both?
How about that?
We made you actually plug into that.
We made you.
You're going to be very quiet, Ryan.
It's a symbiotic relationship.
Okay.
Start cutting the checks for Kiko and Daniel.
Yeah, he meets us more than we need him, right?
I guess you guys are coming for the royalties now.
Okay.
So we're going to react to the clip that went insanely viral.
Millions of views.
Like Twitter.
Something like 30 million, I think.
Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Pornhub, even.
They got on there somehow.
World star.
Got on WorldStar.
World Star.
I didn't see that one, Ben Shapiro.
We got him in a lot of places.
Ben Shapiro now, honestly, it's really annoying.
He just keeps clipping my photo into all of his thumbnails, and it's not even me.
Like, I'm not even in the video.
He's a member of the tribe, okay?
Sorry, but it's really weird.
It'll be my face in the thumbnail, and I'm not even in the video.
I'm nowhere present.
It's just your face.
I would go to war for Ben Shapiro in a heartbeat, nothing to do with Judaism, but I love that man.
I prefer Michael.
I love that man.
He's brilliant.
He's our gentleman.
In Ben Shapiro, we trust.
I prefer Michael.
Here's the thing we're hit by.
If we use Kiko in the thumbnails, we're going to get clicks.
And if we get clicks, then we're going to get content.
Get a bucket and a mop.
My followers are sent to him.
He said we're all.
Is there a Ben Shapiro red whop on his podcast?
He's like, get a bucket and a mop.
That's a wet peat.
It was spray crunchy, but I didn't know who Ben Shapiro was.
I need to hear more.
Virality doesn't care about it.
I didn't know who Ben Shapiro was until you used my photo and then people were sending it to me.
That's all it is.
I have no idea who the fuck Ben Shapiro is.
You don't want to know.
You don't need to know.
It might be for the best.
Ben Shapiro.
I first went viral for like denying transsexuality on a podcast or like a video or something.
And then the trans person that he was sitting next to, I think it was like a former Navy sealer.
Yeah.
Like, don't you say that one more time, young man.
And he was like, wow, that's like mildly violent or something.
What did he say?
He said, he was like an ambulance.
Yeah, he said, he was like, don't say that again, or I'm going to send it.
You're going to be going home on an ambulance.
And he was like, well, that was mildly violent for a debate.
Okay.
We're going to react to the clip.
Eric, if you can kindly pull it up for us, good sir.
Eric, could you please swap the clip?
Hold up, Jason.
Someone said smash.
It's called a Keepa, guys.
Y'all know that.
I thought it was called a yamica.
Okay, hold up.
Before you press play, just I ask everyone pay attention.
Just be quiet so we can hear it come through.
Go ahead.
Chase, would you rather smash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in the world?
Honestly, bro, the oldest woman in the world, because then I wouldn't be gay.
You really just want me to just be the fucking man.
Are you like, Chase, how dare you be transphobic?
Yes, actually.
What the fuck do you mean?
Yes, that was a good idea.
Because if I had sex with a trans woman, I'd be having sex with a biological man, and I don't want to do that.
The question is, that's not what you said, though.
That's fine.
Because I'd be gay if I had sex with a girl.
That's not gay.
That's not gay.
And I don't care if you're doing this for like whatever, but like, shut the fuck up, actually.
I'm doing it.
You look like you have a woman who knows.
That's too funny.
Why don't you make me choose?
Because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
No, I'm not going to be a bar.
I mean, that's really hateful.
She's not, it would technically be homosexual.
A trans woman is a biological man.
Eric, switch it to.
Oh, actually, sorry.
Keep going.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
It's not fucked up.
It's real.
That's true.
It's true.
Okay, if you guys want to respect gender identities, that's his, though.
That's his sexuality.
Any opinions you want, but I'm not allowed to say that.
I'm not allowed to say that.
Yes, from a biological woman who doesn't even have any trans friends, that was too fucking far.
A man of God who doesn't judge a Christian?
Yeah.
You know what God said?
It said he made the man and woman.
He made the man and woman.
I just told you I'm not gay.
I'll pass on that.
Thanks, though.
Who knew that stating biological facts would make people walk off the show?
Okay, it's the reunion.
What do you guys have to say to each other?
You want to go first or do you want me to go first?
Is there anything you would have done differently in that scenario?
I wish I wouldn't have had to leave.
I had to leave because I had made multiple comments beforehand.
I was super late for work.
No, I had said that multiple times.
Let's not.
Stop the cap.
People even in the show had come and said that she did say multiple times that she had to leave for work.
I was an hour late to work.
I was supposed to leave by 10.30.
And the show went on way longer than it was supposed to.
So it seemed like a good moment to exit.
I wish I would have been able to stay there longer.
But no, I did not feel comfortable having a conversation like that with no trans people present at the table.
You can have your personal opinion.
If you don't want to sleep with a trans woman, that's your prerogative.
That's fine.
But don't declare your opinion as fact.
If you think that if a man chooses to sleep with a trans woman is gay, go so be it.
That's your opinion.
I have no problem with you having your opinion.
But you saying comments like that on a podcast with this many subscribers and viewers hinders men who do, who are straight because they do exist, who choose to sleep with trans women.
And for you being some godly Christian man, I think you should learn how to keep your fucking mouth shut sometimes when it comes to those topics because it's very hateful and hurtful.
Just like how you've been giggling and sitting here across the table this whole time.
If you were such a godly man who's turned his whole life around for God, you should learn for a little bit more acceptance and tolerance when it comes to these platforms.
Honestly, truthfully, if you want to say that shit behind closed doors with your other little red pill friends, go ahead and do so.
But just learn and recognize the platform you have and how much influence you have.
There's already enough trans hate and crime out there.
You don't need to influence it more, was my point.
Thank you.
There's many things I could say in response to that.
Then say it.
Let me ask you this.
Is God tolerant?
I think God made us all in his light.
He didn't make any mistakes, right?
So if he created trans people, then he did it for a reason.
Did he create trans people or do trans people choose to be trans?
Go ahead.
I feel like you're better off in this one.
I would rather you respond.
Okay.
I was raised Catholic, so, and then I converted to Christianity in middle school.
In the Bible, it's mainly said, God does not give you more than what you can handle.
She asked me earlier, when did you know this shit was not a fucking choice for me?
I can look you in the eye right now and say this was not a choice.
So you didn't choose to go on hormones?
You don't, you don't.
No, I did.
However, no, no.
She said her piece, and I'm going to ask a couple questions so that she can clarify.
She didn't finish her statement.
I will let her finish, but I'm going to ask a couple questions so she can clarify.
My questions are, you didn't choose to go on hormones.
You don't choose to dress this way.
You don't choose to identify as a woman.
You don't choose to wear a weave.
You don't choose to put on makeup and present yourself as a woman.
So it's the same way for you, though.
It's like me asking you, like, oh, did you choose to wear that shirt today?
Because to you it's natural, right?
It's 100% natural.
Did you choose to get a fade?
Of course, because you know it looks good on you.
That's you like to, that's, you know, everything that you choose to do, everyday hygiene team, that's your normal.
To me, this is my normal.
I didn't choose it.
If I think, like, oh, like, you know what?
Like, I like these hair extensions because they look good and because it's feminine, my energy is feminine.
I hope I'm saying that word.
Okay.
But still, like, it's, it's, to me, that these choices, there's not like I went, it's not like I went out of my way and be like, you know what?
I'm going to wake up today and I'm going to be a fucking bitch.
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to present female.
Yeah, technically, technically.
You went out of your way to do those things.
Technically, I was already doing it.
I was already doing them from the very beginning.
Why did I stop doing it?
Because of what other people think.
Okay, so I'm going to go back to the original question.
You said it's my job as a Christian, godly man, to be tolerant because that's what Christians are supposed to do.
My original question is, is God tolerant?
I think it's your job to mind your business.
No, my question to you is, is God tolerant?
You projected all of this.
I would say God is tolerant.
Okay, so in Genesis, yes, I will.
I will educate you on exactly what the word of God says.
In Genesis, it says that when God created mankind, he made them male and female.
And in Leviticus, it says, for a male to have sexual relations with another man as he would with a woman, that is an abomination in God's eyes and is worthy of being put to death for the first time.
How many times has the Bible been translated?
How many times has the Bible been translated?
Is this this correct?
Can you let me respond if you're going to make a statement to me before you bring someone else into it?
So I don't forget what I'm going to say.
I want to hear what you have to say, but this is correct, is it not?
I don't know what the words are.
I don't know what Leviticus would be in Hebrew because that's how I learned everything in Hebrew.
But the biggest thing that we harp on in Judaism is a man should not lie in bed with another man, and then we take that to me and don't.
Do you guys know that that scripture was changed so many times, though?
Let me finish my statement before you start talking.
Let me finish my statement before you start talking.
Let me finish my statement before you interrupt me.
Thank you.
You're making falsehoods, but go on.
I feel like you should let her finish.
Thank you.
So the Bible has been translated.
Obviously, that's not a falsehood.
It was not written in English, was it?
No.
Do you know Latin?
It wasn't written in Latin.
Okay, whatever was written.
Yes.
Okay, it was been translated.
My whole point is in Hebrew.
Fucking let me finish.
You're trying to educate me on the Bible.
Okay, let me finish.
You went fucking after.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
You keep interrupting me, but you get so mad when someone interrupts you.
I'm not mad at all.
Go on.
You're just stating falsehoods and presenting yourself as a person.
The word wrinkles are giving you away.
Continue.
Maybe some homes.
Oh, you brought them back down.
Continue to add home in me.
So, what I was saying is, the Bible has been rewritten so many times.
False.
It's been translated so many times.
Faithfully and accurately.
Finish.
Show me every word I say, dude.
Just continue.
Like everything I talk, he's interrupting every word.
If I do that, you would get all my case.
You both interrupt.
It's a conversation.
Just go ahead.
Go ahead, Kiko.
The Bible has been translated multiple times, and there is proof and evidence stating that most of those translations from those scriptures, they were actually saying a man should not lay with a child.
It was not man and man.
A lot of things have been translated because there's so much keyword that runs through the church that they do things.
Oh, we're talking like the, it's not in the Vatican.
There's not, we don't have these things right now.
I'm sorry, I can't listen to that false.
I learned the Bible in the original language that was written.
I learned in Aramaic and I learned in Hebrew, and it's never a child.
It's a man should not lay in bed with another man.
And so Jews don't even share beds, like on sleepaway trips.
If we went to overnight, Jews, two guys, are not allowed to even share a bed for a sleepover because it's that serious that it also even more so means that you should not do anything gay.
But the pedophilia in the church, that's a whole different issue, I think, than this specific issue of like, is being gay right or wrong?
Is being trans.
My whole way from that is my eyes, but go ahead.
Thank you for your information with that.
I've read things that differ in even in church.
The churches I've gone to have said things that differ, so I'd like to talk more about you with that.
But overall, my whole thing is I don't think in God's light would he want you sitting here shaming people more for what they're doing.
What they're doing is not affecting you and your life.
So why don't you just mind your fucking business instead of spewing hate on a podcast with so much influence on people?
Let them live their lives.
Okay, so live.
Okay, so just running.
Why do you care so much?
Why does it bother you so much?
Are you attracted to them and it makes you feel some type of way?
Is that what it is?
I'm going to respond to that, but Brian, go ahead.
One quick thing.
So I would like to try to direct the conversation.
I mean, we can have a theological discussion about before you do that.
This is not about me shaming people.
This is not about me doing anything like you just described.
I stated biological facts.
And you have a problem with me stating biological facts.
And the facts that I stated is for a man to have sex with a trans woman, he would be having sex with a biological male, which is homosexual.
That is what I said.
That is all I've ever said.
I haven't sat on this podcast shaming people, being hateful towards people.
I've stated very basic facts.
And you sit on the other side and you're like, you can't do that as the supposed godly Christian man.
You need to be tolerant towards people.
It is our job as Christians to align ourselves with the word of God.
It is also our job to, as Jesus said, make disciples of the nations and to share the word of God.
And you make all these statements about chase.
You can't be judgmental towards people.
Jesus told us we are to judge.
We are in this life to judge with righteous judgment.
And whatever judgment we apply towards others, we will be judged by that exact same standard with which we judge others.
It's not a Christian's job to just walk around the world and be tolerant.
It's a Christian's job to combat evil and to combat falsehoods.
Okay.
And for you to say, oh, it's so hateful and intolerant, and you're trying to shame people who want to make these decisions.
It's none of these things.
I'm simply speaking truth.
May I add to that as well?
That part of what your explanation was was that the Bible has been mistranslated over thousands of years and that it's this game of telephone and we've actually lost the authenticity of the message.
That's completely untrue.
And it's proven to be untrue by the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And I highly encourage you to look at the Dead Sea Scrolls and look at the Hebrew that people have translated.
So basically what happened was we found old manuscripts that were thousands of years old in an old cave somewhere in Israel or something like that.
In 1990s too.
In the 1940s and what we found was that they had been saved through time in these clay pots.
And it's an amazing story actually.
You should read into how we found these because some kid was playing around in a cave and he found these clay pots and they had the manuscripts of the Bible within them.
And what we found was when we when people much smarter than me and you translated these documents back into English today and it matched up perfectly with what we have from Bible.
There's no way to make a 100% perfect translation though no matter what there is.
I've seen them in person.
I went to this museum in the Dead Sea.
I speak Aramaic.
You read it and it's the exact same text from like 3,000 years ago that they found at the bottom of the Dead Sea with ancient Egyptian chariots from the same story.
And a big thing is like if you look at the Torah and as instead of it or the Bible for the Instructor, if you look at it as a history book instead of just a religious doctrine, it's historically accurate.
The things that are written in the Bible are what have happened.
You can go and find ancient ruins confirming all the things.
Even I went to Israel.
I saw all the Jesus things, the St. Peter Apostle.
Correct me if I'm saying it wrong, but like it's a historical text document.
So I think it's two different arguments, whether it's like, has it been properly translated and are you spewing hate?
But I wasn't here for that, obviously.
Let me try to direct the conversation a little bit because we are getting a little bit into semantics of what's going on.
And we do need to go home to that.
talk about the main thing though so basically chase is saying You guys said that you disagree with Chase's statement about that being homosexual.
You disagree with that?
I think it's an opinion.
It's a biological fact.
No, it's an opinion.
It's an opinion.
Why do you disagree?
So as a trans woman, there's these things that we encountered.
Wait, you got to speak.
You got to speak.
There's these things that we call chasers.
Okay.
Okay.
Chasers.
Unironic.
Named after Chase.
Wait, like, great.
No.
I'm not really.
I'm not saying this is.
Alcohol?
Are we talking about this transition?
No, I'm talking about chasers.
Like, basically, men who specifically seek out trans women for their genitals because they like the femininity, whatever.
Because they're gay.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, I mean, I don't know.
Whatever.
No, Let me finish.
Let me finish.
There's categories to this shit.
There's categories.
There's categories to this shit.
And let me finish.
That's gay.
You're going after a bit with a chip of the dick.
Don't tell their dick.
Yeah.
No, but there's categories to this shit.
When you say categories.
So there's categories.
There's categories to be able to do that.
There's no hope for you.
There really isn't.
There's straight categories to you.
There's no race whoever marries you.
Because if there can literally be a guy, let's say, I'm not, okay, let's say for some, in some crazy worlds, or no, no, no, no, let's say fucking speaking, like real world shit, whatever the fuck.
Sorry.
Let's go.
So let's say there's, or let's say for you example, or let's say theoretically, like, I'm just using using an example, okay?
I'm not saying you in general, just use an example.
You see a beautiful woman, she's like five foot four, she's like beautiful, and you didn't know that she was trans.
And let's say she's wholly operated.
You find her attractive, right?
You don't know she's trans.
You're attracted to her femininity.
And because you're attracted to her femininity, you didn't know that she was a guy.
That's a completely different thing.
That wouldn't make you gay to find her attractive.
Thank you.
I need to weigh in.
But to have sex is a little bit more different because some men can look past the fact.
Can I weigh in on that?
If you end up sleeping, I know now you're saving yourself from marriage, but beforehand, if you found out that one of the people you had slept with actually was a biological male and it's not the same thing.
And you're totally different.
You can tell.
It's not a bad thing.
You can tell.
You can't make an agination.
Boy, I didn't know.
Listen to me Kiko.
And Ali.
Do you think a guy wouldn't be able to tell a biological woman from somebody who's a kid?
If you're sober, if you're sober, seeing a biological woman versus somebody who's had their, you know, down there hacked apart and re-sutured together.
Listen, bro, you'd be able to tell.
Listen, listen.
No, listen to me.
Listen to me.
Something fucking else.
I can't tell you.
You can tell.
Do you hear this guy?
Do you hear people or kids?
You said don't mutilate your bodies.
As a man, I can tell.
I know.
I remember religion from this conversation.
But yeah, religion completely removed.
All right.
Last summer, I went to Thailand with my friend.
We already heard this.
There is 30% of the women, 30% of the men, I should say, convert into women, making 15% of the population ladyboys.
It's like a third gender because of how prevalent it is.
Let me tell you, I know when they're a ladyboy.
They're very convincing.
They are very convincing.
They get their Adam's apple shaved down.
They get their jawline shaved down.
They do everything to present themselves as a woman.
Actually, the most expensive thing that they have to go through is getting their dick chopped off.
And so they don't.
And so they don't do that.
But let me tell you.
Let me tell you.
As a man, I know that that's a dude.
It doesn't matter how feminine they put it.
But before she reaches out, it doesn't matter.
I want to know why this, what specifically is making you upset?
Yeah.
It's just, I just can't believe that people.
You're upset because I know that's what I'm saying.
I want to hear what she says.
I want to hear what she says.
Why are you upset?
It's just the laughing, the giggling, the it's a joke to you guys, and this is people's lives.
Do people wake up like they don't feel like they're in the right body?
And it's, I've seen, I work with kids, I've seen the children, it actually affects people.
And the suicide rate in the trans community is already so high.
And this podcast has so many fucking views.
And you guys get up on here and just shit on them and just laugh all fucking time.
It's hateful as fuck.
Just let them fucking live their lives.
That's not what they're doing.
If they're not choosing, if they're not bothering you, if they're not trying to trap you into sleeping with them, just let them live their fucking lives.
They're not bothering you.
Why does it affect you so much?
Okay, okay, those are good questions.
No, it's ridiculous.
Please.
Grow up.
Mature.
Mature.
Please let me respond to you.
Go ahead.
Please let me respond to you.
Those are good questions.
Why do we care so much if it affects us?
And also, you know, calling out the insensitivity.
Look, I have deep.
I don't know what it would be like to wake up every day and to feel like I was born in the wrong body.
Okay.
I don't know what that would be like.
And for people that are in that position, I have compassion for them.
I can't imagine.
No, if you had compassion, you wouldn't be doing half the shit.
I'm laughing at how callousedly he's saying.
No, you've been laughing all podcasts at Joe.
Keep the jokes you laughing now.
Please, please just let me respond.
I have compassion for people that are in that position.
Okay.
And people like that need help.
Okay.
And our society has different philosophies in terms of how we can help people like that.
You have like people on the left that want to do so-called gender-affirming care, in which people do get operations where their bodies end up mutilated, and a lot of people end up severely regretting it after the fact.
And those people end up suicidal.
I read their stories all the time.
Stories of men.
Detransitioners exist, but that's not.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me just make my point.
I read a story on Twitter a few months ago of this guy who had his penis surgically removed.
And he woke up every day and was horrified at the decision that he had made with his life, and he wanted to kill himself.
And the reason why someone like me cares is because this ideology, you say let these people live their lives.
How does it affect you?
This ideology is penetrating all across our society and kids are now becoming propagandized with this.
The kid that you were talking about would have never thought that way before if they weren't exposed to it at a very, very young age.
He just said that she had no idea what that term was.
Let me just finish my point.
You guys can respond.
If you look at the statistics of people that identify as LGBTQ right now compared to previous generations, it is exponentially increasing because it's not just people living their lives.
It's kids going to school, public schools, and their teachers telling them, hey, yeah, you can be a boy if you want to.
Hey, yeah, you can be a girl if you want to.
People learn that they want to keep it.
Please hold on.
Please hold on.
Please.
I will leave.
You're long-winded.
Sorry.
I will listen to what you have to say.
I'm making important points here.
Kids in that position, when they're being told by authority figures, hey, yeah, you're actually a girl, those kids then are getting funneled towards getting irreversible procedures done and irreversible hormone therapy and puberty blockers and all this kind of stuff.
PB blockers are right.
And it completely stunts people's development irreversibly, okay?
And you can go off of them.
You can go off of them.
You can go off of them, but it changes people's development.
Oh, I did research all day on this, actually, so don't correct me on that.
Okay, I made a video on this for a news company, but the point is, it is affecting a lot of people, and a lot of it is propaganda as well, and it is changing people's lives irreversibly, and children are ending up mutilated as a result of it.
And on top of that, a lot of these transgender procedures and surgeries do not significantly affect the suicide rate.
A lot of those people still are suicidal after the fact.
And it's not like, it's not care that's effective.
So I think that there should be.
Why I care about this?
There should be, I don't think that you should just be like, one day be like, oh, I believe I'm a woman.
I believe I'm a male.
And you should be able to walk in and just get procedures or get hormone blockers or get some.
Do you think kids should be able to be propagandized in school?
Propagandized.
That's a very strong.
Teacher telling eight-year-olds you can be professional.
If a teacher is telling kids it's okay to feel the way they're feeling, I think that is important.
Yes.
No, I don't think they should be saying, oh, you need to change genders.
There's also a very big difference, though, in a teacher comforting a kid and be like, you know what?
It's not the same.
Like, you know what, it's okay.
I understand, whatever.
But if a teacher's purposely going out of their way to be like, explain that kind of stuff, okay, yeah, I get it.
But if a kid, if I, for example, me, if I was the, let's say, rewind to 10 years ago when I was like 12 or 11, whatever.
Let's say if I went to my teacher, my counselor, and be like, you know what?
I'm having these feelings, and I don't know if they're right or not.
And if she would have been like, at least, I'm not saying, she's not encouraging me, but she's like, you know what?
She's not, what's the word?
She's not discrediting me either.
She's not shaming me.
She's not doing anything else.
There's a big difference between the two.
But I don't think it's a teacher's place, and hopefully we can all agree at this.
Sex and body images and identification should not be the teacher's place.
That's between parents.
And I think there's a big problem with the way that it's targeted our children in schools and the way that the government has become the parents for society.
So I think there are two very unique issues.
And I think after 21 or 18, whatever, if you can go buy a handle of tequila, you can technically, legally do what you want to your body.
But should you is a very different person.
So under 18, you need parents' consent to do any of this unless you're illegally consenting it.
I looked up all day in the last two days since I knew it was coming back.
I looked up this all day in the day.
They're trying to change those laws.
There's also a lot of where the parents can be divorced and they only need one parent to consider.
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
And it's an eight-year-old.
I would say that's wrong.
I would say that's innately wrong.
I would think you need a parent's consent, but they're not.
This D, I think his name is DeSantis or whatever from Florida is making it seem like DeSantis.
He's making it seem like everyone just going out here and just getting all these mutilations and gender reconfirming surgeries.
The only, that's not happening.
The numbers are very, very low.
The only one that is becoming kind of prevalent is double mastectomies because it's really hard for them to stop that because it's an actual medical procedure.
So it's hard for them to block that from happening.
But in order, no, kids aren't just getting gender reinforming surgeries.
And I don't, I'm not, I'm not pushing for that to be, but that's not a problem we have right now.
It's not a problem.
I'm not sure, of course, but there is a large group of people who are pushing this, like the Pride Parade.
Ronda Sand has just canceled.
He said, you will be charged.
It will be illegal to sexualize children.
Do you have a Pride parade?
There's no nudity, none of this.
They canceled the Pride Parade because they said we will not be able to do what we want to do, which is sexualize children.
So I think it goes hand in hand because people know that the children are the future of this country.
And if you want to shove ideology down our throats, you do it with the children and you take away the parental rights in school and parental decisions.
At the end of the day, the kids are the most important part of society.
And I hope at the very least we can all agree that when you're an adult and you have your own decisions on your own body, you can do what you want and what you truly believe in.
But why should a parent even be able to consent to their 12-year-old getting hormone change or getting on puberty blockers?
An adult, my mom could not consent to me drinking.
So you can't start hormones until you're 14.
You can't start hormones until you're 14.
Okay.
That's how it is.
You could do puberty blockers before that point because puberty blockers are reversible.
The minute you stop puberty blockers, you will go through your natural biological puberty.
The only side effects we know right now is it might affect maybe your cholesterol or your bone density, but you will go through all your puberties once you start stop puberty blockers.
But why would you start really quick?
I don't think, I just want to check you a little bit on this.
I don't think puberty blockers are reversible.
They are 100%.
I like that.
I don't think either, but I'm telling you, I've heard many times that they're not.
I've looked this up all.
Please do not discredit me because I spent, as soon as I knew it was coming on, you invited me back on, I spent a lot of time researching this.
They are reversible.
Hormones, no, hormones are not reversible.
You will see the changes go away if you stop taking them.
But puberty blockers are 100% reversible.
Going through puberty.
It's 14 versus 17 or 20 is a very big difference.
So I don't know.
It just delays puberty.
It just delays actual biological function.
That's what a puberty blocker is.
Toxic poison.
Everyone.
Great farm of it.
Everyone, please, please.
RH is what it's called.
Kiko, please.
There is a larger overarching point here, okay?
Which is that 10 years ago, if you spoke to somebody and you said, hey, yeah, 10 years from now, like a bunch of kids are going to want to become trans, they would have been like, yeah, you're out of your mind.
That's not happening.
And look where we are now.
Kids, there's millions of views on TikToks from these trans people that are telling kids things that are giving them gender dysphoria.
Teachers in schools have rainbow flags up on their walls and they're telling, it's not just kids.
A rainbow flag.
I can't make a kid be trans.
Please just listen, okay?
Please, just listen.
There's a difference between what you were saying a moment ago, which is like, you know, if you had gone to a counselor and you had gender dysphoria and them hearing you and just like being like, hey, like, I hear that you feel that way.
There's a difference between that and a kid going to a teacher and being like, hey, you know, I have this confusion about my gender.
And the teacher being like, yeah, well, you can be a girl if you want to, because that's what's happening right now.
And to what Deborah was saying a few moments ago, this is a tide that is quickly rising in our society.
And 10, 15, 20 years from now, who knows how much access kids will have to these surgeries?
Who knows how many millions of kids are going to be mutilating their bodies because of this ideology?
It is just continuing to grow and grow and grow and grow.
And it's not stopping.
A couple of years ago, the World Health Organization released guidelines for European educators instructing them to teach kids between the ages of two and eight years old about masturbation and gender fluidity.
There's an intentional agenda to push this trans ideology on humanity right now.
And you say right now it's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be, that these surgeries are super rare.
What about 20 years from now?
Where is all of this going?
I'm not saying there's going to be regulations.
How big of a catastrophe is this going to be for our entire civilization?
I know you think it's hateful.
I know you think it's hateful for me to like speak against this and be intolerant and all this kind of stuff.
The reason I'm doing it is because there are serious human casualties as a result of this.
And I speak up against all this out of love.
Who's died?
All of the people that have gotten transgender surgeries and then regretted it and killed themselves out of it.
How about all the people who have been prevented from getting the help they needed?
Transgenders have the same suicide rate as Jews in Nazi Germany and concentration camps.
You can't tell me transgenders in America are treated worse than Jews in Nazi Germany.
And the suicide rate is the same before and after gender transition surgery.
Exactly.
And but listen, I have a different take on this.
I don't say this stuff because I want to be offensive or hateful or get clicks or views.
I think that this is a very sensitive issue.
And just like abortion, it needs to be spoken with the highest level of respect and sensitivity because I feel for these people.
I can't, like you said, I can't imagine what it's like to be at war with my own body and to not feel comfortable with my own body.
I've dealt with insecurities.
I couldn't imagine it being deeper than that.
I truly feel for these people and I want them to receive the care that they need on an individual basis.
But when it comes to children, we need to protect children from this ideology.
And I think those are two very different issues that get conflated together.
Like, oh, if a 35-year-old wants to do whatever they want, that's up to them.
But speaking on children, nobody under 18 should be mutilating their body, even if their parent consents, because they're children.
I think your brain's not developed till you're 25.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
I think a lot of the argument comes from people talking about different things.
Like, we're talking about kids a lot.
And I think we need to hire a lot of people.
I know you never said that they should.
There's a lot of people who want that 14.
Okay, that's what we're talking about here.
You wanted to go.
Go ahead.
So where my stance comes from.
Wait, into the mic, into the microphone.
Where my stance comes into this with the whole children thing is that we never once brought up kids.
We brought up the fact about a man saying whether he's gay or not.
I agree with you.
Let's try to stick to that point.
Yeah, that's the whole point of me sticking to it.
Yes.
However, when it does come to kids, because it was already brought up, whatever.
Do I think, do I agree that like transness needs to be like in everybody's face?
Absolutely not.
However, I'm also not saying that if a kid comes and asks for help because they're feeling certain ways, I feel like those resources shouldn't be shunned.
I feel like they should be available.
Like therapy, yes, those resources.
Psycho evaluation.
Those are resources.
Like, for example, psychological help out there.
Exactly.
So, because, but let's be honest.
A couple years ago, transness wasn't about the, wasn't it, wasn't so, it wasn't so accessible as word?
I don't know the word.
Gender-affirming care.
No, it wasn't so easy to grasp onto, in other words.
It wasn't easy for me to get my hormones.
It wasn't easy for me to get me.
I had to go to therapy for months just to prove that I wasn't crazy.
But now it has.
Do you recognize that now?
It's become so easy.
Yeah, so I recognize that now, especially now, because even not even just kids, but like, for example, gay men, they see, they see the dolls.
They get, we got all the training.
We have all the blue check works.
We got bodies on bodies on bodies.
Certified badges 24.
Exactly.
And some gay guys will literally transition just to pull straight men.
Yeah.
And then they'll literally.
Don't you think that that's like a point giving a situation?
No, but you said that that's something wrong.
That's my point.
Like, I feel like when people do the hormonal placement therapy, it needs to be taken seriously.
It shouldn't be so easy to explain, like, so easy, easily to grasp onto.
I have a question.
I respect that.
And I don't think you guys are going to be able to do that.
When it comes to the gay men, too, it's like, you guys do these things and you guys want, you guys all get all these straight boys and oh, I have all the street men, whatever.
Then what happens after?
Those are the transitioners.
So those are the people who regret getting the gender-affirming surgery and asking titties and growing out their hair.
It's not just gay guys.
If they do it for the wrong reasons, do it because you generally feel like this and not because you're trying to get attention from the opposite sex.
Okay, so question for Kiko.
Kind of the original thing was, trying to direct it back here, is Chase said that his view is that it would be homosexual, it would be gay for a biological man, a biological male, to sleep with another biological male.
Do you agree or disagree with that?
I do not find it gay if a biological male chooses to sleep with a trans woman.
No, no, no, no, hold on.
Just a point of clarification.
That's my answer, Brian.
That's my answer, Brian.
That's my answer.
Let me revise my question a little further.
Is it homosexual or is it gay?
Again, I'm not saying it's wrong, but is it gay or homosexual for a biological male to sleep or have sex?
Is it gay for a biological male to have sex with another biological male?
I feel like you need to answer this because I don't know.
I feel like you're basically.
I already answered the question.
If they are a trans woman in touch with their femininity, they are fucking, can't even say the word, projecting themselves, the female, feminine woman in society, and that's what they're attracted to?
No, Brian, you can ask me the question as many ways as you fucking want.
You've asked me this three times over on the broadcast.
I'm not answering it.
Let's be real.
It's like it's only gay if they're after their dick.
Yes.
If you want a lady boy who's one of the lady boys, that's only gay if they're after their dick.
Like, let's be real.
Like, if a guy literally was just fucking harassing you because he knew how to penis, sorry, bro, you're fucking gay.
Like, don't get a guy out there.
I genuinely want to deal with a man who can look past the fact that they're like, you know what?
You're trans, but that's not who you are as a person.
Like, I view you as feminine.
Like, I view you as a woman.
I can look past the fact of that.
But if that man is solely seeking me out just because I have a penis, no, that's gay.
But can't you be a feminine man without transitioning to, I mean, I don't believe in transitioning.
I just ask you something.
That's a gay man, not a trans woman.
No, I know people that aren't, guys that aren't necessarily gay.
I mean, I know guys that are gay and very masculine, and I know guys that are straight and very feminine.
Like Jeffree Star is a great example.
I've always thought that stuff's based.
If you like makeup, you like hair.
I love that stuff.
I can totally understand people doing that.
But he knows that he is not a woman, no matter what he does.
No, the way I know that he partakes in makeup and hair, but knows that he's not brought it up because honestly, like, I'm still even learning about that.
You heard what he said about trans about all the genders or whatever.
Like, honestly, because back in my day, like, I grew up on trans YouTube with where it's like, you're either straight, gay, or trans.
Yeah.
Gigi gorgeous.
Yeah, and Gigi Gorgeous.
And Nikita came around the moment.
I want you to consider something, all right?
Because you're a trans woman, meaning that you were a man and you transitioned to a woman, correct?
Yes.
I think that there's something more insidious going on that Billy could probably speak to much more knowledgeably than I can, which is the testosterone epidemic in our country, which I think is a factor in men that want to, that think that they're women.
I think that because of the environmental factors, because of the food they're eating, because of the chemicals that are sprayed on the crops and in the environment, as well as many other factors that, like I said, Billy is much more knowledgeable on than I am, are a factor in very low testosterone in men.
As a man, when I felt low in testosterone, I feel terrible.
I feel like a bitch.
I feel like I can't.
Do you want to be a woman?
No.
Okay, so it could be contributing to it.
And my point is that if you were to, what if you were feeling like, you know, what if you're a man and you're feeling like you're a woman?
What if instead of getting hormones to affirm what you thought in your head was true, instead you got hormones to affirm what your gender was at birth?
What if you got testosterone and you felt more like a man?
Do you think that that would make a change in your life versus if you were at a low point in testosterone as a man?
Very good.
Versus getting hormones as a woman to become a woman into the mic.
Absolutely not.
And I'm going to say this now.
I'm so much more happier with myself since my transition and comfortable in my skin and everything because I did it for myself.
I'm happy for you.
And I've never felt more at peace and at one with myself.
Now, ask me that before I was 19 years old when I started transitioning.
I was depressed.
I was unhappy with myself.
And that's my everything like that.
And I tried to be.
I even tried dating girls in middle school, I remember, but like, I tried just to be a gay man.
Well, it's different than that.
I tried to do all of that.
Sexuality is different than gender.
Yeah, well, I know, but my point is that I tried to live like a man at one point.
It's not like I just full on.
But you tried to, but what I'm saying is that your testosterone levels were so low that you couldn't feel like that.
Not necessarily testosterone levels were.
You have no idea what heroes are.
But what I'm not saying is that what I'm saying is that I tried to live like a gay man as a man.
What is true about testosterone is that the saying your father was more man than you holds true.
Testosterone levels have decreased, but it doesn't necessarily mean that your testosterone levels were low.
So we don't, that doesn't always correlate.
Okay.
But in other words, no, I would have not been happy as a man.
I genuinely don't know if I would be here.
Yeah.
And I'm glad you're here.
Yeah.
Thank you guys.
But like I said, for a lot of people thinking like, then to think it's a choice for us to do this kind of stuff, yeah, technically it is one, but it's something that comes so naturally to us that we don't feel like it's a choice.
You know, like this is something that came so natural to me.
Like, ask any one of my babysitters, look back at my home footage.
Like, I was fucking stealing my fucking aunt's.
She used to be a bartender at a strip club.
I would walk around in her stripper heels because I used to love the feminine, the femininity of it.
Like, that's all it is.
Like, it's something that came so natural to me, and it did not feel forced.
What felt forced was having being 17, getting my senior portraits taken, and having to cut all my hair off because I wanted to please my family.
That felt forced.
What felt forced was not being able to go by the name that I wanted to be in my high school yearbook.
What felt forced was having to stand up in front of a Christian church and let my dad try to hook me up with some other little Christian girl there.
Yeah.
Because that felt forced.
That stuff that feels forced.
I'm glad that you feel comfortable now and that you are here with us because ultimately that's the most important thing.
Life is sacred and you're loved.
But to get back to the point we were talking about earlier, I don't think that children, I don't think that it's right for children.
And you agree with that.
He's going to go back to the children shit.
That was never the point of the conversation.
So we can get away from that.
I want to make a final point and then we're going to wrap.
Oh, it's like a wrap-up final point before we go.
Okay.
And then we're going to wrap.
Part of the reason I care about this is not, I don't want to be like hateful towards people or like, I don't want to make anybody feel badly about themselves.
Okay.
And Kiko, this point is addressed to you.
Part of the reason why I care about this is because you said that you've come back to the church and one of the things that we can obviously agree on is the value of Jesus, right?
Yeah.
Why did Jesus give his life on the cross?
For our sins.
For our sins.
And there's a lot of different sins that preclude us from entering the kingdom of heaven, right?
Ultimately, this whole, this ideology that's spreading throughout our society, one of the reasons why I have a problem with it is because many people, They ground their entire identity in whatever their sexuality or gender is, okay?
And that identity, they see that as incompatible with the Bible and Christ.
And a lot of them will go their entire lives without ever even looking at God because they're like, well, God made me this way.
So God obviously must have made a mistake.
So screw Christianity, right?
One of the things that Jesus said, people who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven are the sexually immoral and those that are effeminate as well.
There's a lot of different categories, idolaters, adulterers, like there's a billion different categories.
Sexual immorality, according to Christ and his apostles and God throughout the Old Testament, this covers everything that is outside of heterosexual sex between a man and a woman within marriage.
Any sex that happens outside of that precludes a person from going to the kingdom of heaven.
You're not going to heaven?
Well, my sins have been paid for by the blood of Christ, and I've repented of this.
Hold on, hold on.
Can she not do the same?
I've repented of the sins that I had, okay?
The people who are continuing to engage in sexual immorality, who reject the grace that God gave us, like, they're not going to heaven.
And I want to see you get to heaven.
Like, I don't hate you as a person.
I love you as a person.
I want to see you get to heaven.
I want to see everybody who's trans and gay.
I want to see all of them.
I want to see all of them go to heaven, right?
But there's a contradiction here between what you're saying is okay and what God said is okay.
And this is why it's important to me.
And this ideology will lead millions of people to hell.
And I don't want to see that happen.
Okay.
You finished?
Okay.
So my wrap-up statement was, basically, I will continue to do this.
Come up on this podcast.
Any podcast.
I have.
Sorry, hold on, Kiko.
Eve donated $200 and 31 cents.
Mutilation shouldn't be given to neither mentally ill individuals nor children as a means to obtain acceptance.
The sick should seek cure.
The innocent should seek guidance.
Permanent decisions shouldn't be made for all by vulnerable individuals.
We already spent enough time to do that.
Eve, thank you for that.
Anyways, wrap it up.
I will continue to come on this podcast.
I don't care how many people want to call me the T-Slur, say all the debates of how if I'm transgender or not.
You guys can do all that.
I will continue to fight for people like Allie who I believe have a right to live the life that they rightfully deserve and feel like they were born into because you know what?
It doesn't fucking affect me.
I don't sleep bad at night because Allie is on hormones or any other trans woman or trans man out there.
I know how to mind my fucking business and live my life.
So I will continue to use my platform and my voice to speak for people who can't because me, my Jesus, I believe in acceptance, tolerance.
I know that she, you created.
Jesus is not tolerant.
Let me finish.
Just how you repented your sins, she can go and repent hers too and get into the gates of heaven as well.
So we should all just live our lives, mind our business, as long as we're not hurting somebody else or anyone else's happiness.
I'm not acknowledging that she would need to in order to get into heaven.
No, I'm saying in your mind, in your opinion, in your mind.
I'm just telling you what the Bible says.
Okay, according to the Bible, she can repent and still go to heaven.
I think we're past this.
Like, it's not just necessarily.
Yes, but I also just want to add that I don't think it's necessarily just living your life undisturbed.
Like, that's a very libertarian take.
If you want to dress and act how you want and live your best life, good.
A happy, miserable individual does not make for a happy society.
But there are places where it is affecting people, like what you agreed was wrong, that if men are on these dating apps and they match with somebody who does not openly admit that they're trans before going on a date, that is hurting men.
And with women, I am not okay with transgenders using the women's bathroom.
That is wrong.
That is wrong.
It's women's spaces.
Because that is something that affects me, women in sports.
Women in women's space.
We're trying to go home right now.
No, I'm trying to go home too.
We have a two-hour drive to LA, but this stuff matters.
It's not that trans doesn't hurt anybody.
It's hurting women like Riley Gaines.
It's giving rewards to people like Leah Thomas, who stole from women.
It's hurting all these people who are getting into the world.
I won't go on that.
I'm not going to pull Michael Matt Wallace.
Listen, but it does affect us.
And it's not just live your best life.
It's live your life and use your own bathroom and let women have women's spaces and let trans individuals live their life.
I just want to say, you're going to continue fighting for it.
And she's raising yourself.
I'm going to say stay out of my bathroom and stay out of my women's spaces, but live your best life because there's an important distinction between live your life in a way that doesn't affect people.
And then there's ways that affect people.
Like women who no longer can get opportunities in sports because men are dominating women's sports and using the locker rooms and using the gym.
All of these things are just out.
Just walk out.
Take away from real.
Just walk out.
So she's making important.
Ryan's podcast, not yours.
She's making important royal podcasts.
Just walk out.
Because he invited me to co-host, Kiko.
He invited me to go.
You're a co-host.
Say a co-co.
Co-host.
Let her make her point.
And if you don't want to hear it, then just walk out.
You don't have to stay.
Nobody's keeping you at the end.
You don't have to stay, but I don't want to do anything.
Look, I'm sure you hear things you don't like.
You're just going to tell me that you're going to be able to do that.
I agree with you.
You can't just.
I just want to go home.
We're doing wrap-up statements because it's 12:30.
Then go home.
Yes, that was my wrap-up statement.
That's not a wrap-up.
If you want to live a life that doesn't affect people, in your sense, you want to wear a dress in your daytime, that is fine with me.
Like, I'm not going to say do that, but like, that is not hurting people.
But there is a lot of the trans ideology that is taking away from women that is hurting women, like women's spaces, women's sports, women's locker rooms, women's dressing rooms.
It is actually affecting women.
Riley Gaines was just beat up, literally giving a speech about this.
So it's not just la dee da dee da, do whatever you want.
People are being affected, and raising up these trans rights is taking away from women's rights.
And I will not stand for that.
But I also stand for liberty and freedom.
And there is a balance, and it's a very thin line.
And we don't just go, oh, do whatever you want, cross the line.
We need to protect women and also allow people to live liberty and enjoy their freedoms.
Protect kids too.
Protect kids.
Do we all get a wrap-up statement?
So, honestly, like, I respect your opinion because I'm going to try to wrap your story.
110% completely agree.
There are a lot of things that trans women don't go through that cis woman would.
I completely 110% understand.
But with that being said, wouldn't you rather accept women, trans women, into your circle to be like, you know what?
Yeah, like we fight for the exact same things.
We fight for everything.
Like a lot of the time, 90% of the time, you know, with the exception of sports and everything, because I'm not too educated on that.
Trans women just want to blend.
But I don't want to be blended.
Sorry, sorry.
I just want to blend and be with you guys.
You know, and it's for me speaking for myself.
Straight into the mic, please.
I just want to be able to be normal.
Like, that's all I want to do.
Like, I want to go into the restroom, be able to use the restroom and whatever, you know?
Like, I just want, and like I said, I completely respect the fact that I'm never going to be, I'm not going to understand a lot of the things that cis women go through when it comes to, you know, things that they go through with their bodies or certain discrimination issues, everything like that.
I'm not going to understand that the same way that you wouldn't understand, you know, like my dysphoria with everything like that, you know.
But at the end of the day, wouldn't you want to have someone in your corner who is, you know, being like, yes, like we stand for the same, not maybe not everything the same, but similar things.
So I hear you on that.
And just off the cusp, I want to say that I do have deep respect for you.
You've come here and you've presented your points and you've held your logic in a way that I agree with a lot of the things that you say.
And I don't think you have your heads in the clouds.
I think you, I think your logic is good and solid.
And so I have respect for that.
But in terms of like wanting to blend, I understand that on your side, but women fought very hard to have women's rights and women's safe places.
And I don't think someone's willing wanting to blend supersedes my wanting to be away from a man in the restroom because in my eyes, I can respect you.
I can tell you my favorite makeup products.
I can show you my favorite places to shop.
But at the end of the day, I don't want someone who was ever a man using the space that I feel unsafe in in the same way that I would not feel comfortable getting undressed around a lesbian in the same way that a trans man in that sense.
So women's spaces should be protected at large.
And I think, yeah, I just don't think.
So you want her to use the men's restroom?
I think there should be a third restroom.
But until that happens, you think right now she should use the men's restroom?
Yeah, sometimes.
One of the problems.
No, let me ask something before you answer that question.
Wouldn't you think that it would jeopardize my safety, though, walking in space?
But wouldn't it jeopardize my safety if men identifying as women come into the bathroom and rape women under the guise of transgender?
People who are not only transgenders.
There's people who manipulate and they take what you've gone through and struggled through through your life and they take that to their advantage.
And they say, oh, I'm going to put a dress on and go in the bathroom and pretend I'm trans.
And they haven't actually struggled with gender dysphoria and gone through the problems.
And they're taking advantage of the situation.
And that's the women that I'm trying to protect.
There was a 14-year-old who was raped in a bathroom at her high school and her dad went by.
Let's use SA.
Sorry.
I'm so sorry about that.
I forgot that was about it.
No, but yeah.
But to even further bolster her point, too, I've seen a number of articles where men will get convicted of crimes and then they will identify as women right before they go to trial.
And then they will get sent to women's prisons and they will grape the women that are there at the prison.
And impregnate them.
And impregnate them.
Multiple women, right?
Like this.
I understand that you want to blend and you want to be around women and all that kind of stuff.
Wait, you're leaving, Kiko?
I'm not rage quitting.
It's just 12:30.
You can admit it.
I'm hungry.
No, I'm not upset at all.
It's just, this is why I was saying it's not a wrap-up statement because we're about to get unload a whole new conversation.
We're about to be here until 1 a.m.
Come on, Grace.
Kiko, really, two things.
Two things really quick before you leave.
Two things, okay?
Like, my boyfriend is like, I was supposed to be home by 12.
Do you want to watch a tape clip before you leave?
No, really.
Okay, here, let me try to line the mood.
Chase says a Christian.
The mood's fine.
I'm not leaving because I'm mad.
It's 12.30 a.m.
Like, I was not planning to be here for this long.
Should we, should we talk about this?
I have to abortion.
Do you want to talk about abortion really quick?
Just throwing it up.
Kiko, bye, Kiko.
Nice speaking with you tonight.
I was being serious.
I'm not.
Because I really thought I could get past it, but.
Well, I just drive safe.
What?
Sorry, I don't want to leave like that.
Oh.
Welcome back.
Hi, I'm back again.
My problem is not really even your beliefs or what you stand for or how this conversation has gone to the last point.
Honestly, I'm more upset with how you've conducted yourself earlier in the podcast.
It was very unprofessional, in my opinion.
I'll actually kind of alter it.
Yeah.
Learn how to conduct yourself properly.
I could say the same to you.
Have a good night, Kiko.
Listen, Brian, I'd just like the panel to know that I'm all right with trans women in women's sports as long as I can bet.
As long as you can bet.
Thomas is a stupid joke.
As long as you can bet on me, Thomas.
At the end of the day, I 10,000 on the one.
If it was a way that didn't affect me, I wouldn't have a sincere problem with it.
Okay, so.
But if it does, I care.
It's late.
You should.
It's late.
I'd like to wrap up.
I appreciate you guys.
This is probably, I think this may have very well been one of our longest podcasts.
It's like five and a half hours almost.
Long show.
Long show.
I'm trying to.
Last one was too.
Yeah, I'd like to.
There's more discussions.
It is, but start them earlier these days.
Maybe start like 3 p.m.
Even though, like, in the midst of the craziness and the disagreements, I'm glad that we're still able to bring these topics to the table.
Based.
Amen.
Yeah.
Whether or not if we agree or disagree, I feel like we all, like, I'm going to be 100% honest.
I was extremely worried on walking into a podcast like this because personally, I've never seen another trans girl on here before.
I think you're the first.
And honestly, can I be honest with you?
I mean, I didn't even know you were trans.
Same, to be honest.
No, like, because I saw honestly.
I didn't think that much of it when I walked in, honestly.
I saw one of your, I stumbled on one of your videos that was like getting.
It was like getting ready for work or some bullshit.
No, I think it was like you were in a taxi or something.
Okay, I was fucking drunk off my ass.
Okay, and let me just.
And you were complaining about guys.
I don't know.
I was wearing this fucking dress, too.
Okay.
I do not go to the club for fucking male validation.
I was just drunk off my ass and I seen a situation ship that I was in and he was with a bitch who he said he was no longer involved with.
So that was why I was crying in the back of the taxi.
Okay.
No, and I was like, just the way you were.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Uber Chronicles.
That's how I found you.
But like, I legit, I did not know you were trans.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, I saw that video.
I found your Instagram.
I just shot you a message.
I didn't do too much digging, but I didn't know you were trans coming into this.
So Kiko and Chase previously had a heated discussion, viral moment on this topic.
And I had seen it, honestly.
Oh, you'd seen it?
Okay, so you were really walking into this.
I was super nervous because I have seen, like, I feel like a lot of times too, like, in the past, like, trans women are represented in, like, the Jerry Springer terms or, you know, where it's like, oh, well, that's a dude or that's this, that's that.
You know, that's always belittling them.
And that's what I was worried about because, one, I've never done anything like this.
It's my first thing, like, my first little social media gay-okay, that's what you want to call it.
Yeah.
And two, like, I was really worried of, like, okay, like, I have an idea what I'm walking into.
How is the best way that I can represent myself and my community respectfully?
You know, without feeling like a bad person.
Without feeling 100% major.
I don't ever want us to mush be like, oh, I'm trans.
I'm trans.
I'm trans.
Like, that's not what I'm about because to me, there's more to me than just my trans identity.
I'm a fucking person.
I, you know, I fucking love pizza.
I fucking love, you know, everything.
I love scary movies.
I'm the biggest fucking horror fanatic.
I feel like that's what a lot of people forget to us is that there's more to us than just our trans identity.
We're just people, you know, and we're more than just a fucking.
Your name is Allie, correct?
Yeah.
Allie, I want to salute you for having the bravery to come on this podcast.
Thank you.
Allie.
Allie.
Salute.
Thank you guys.
You guys have been amazing, honestly.
Like I said, I'm really glad that we might not always agree with these things, but at least they're being talked about and they're being discussed about and they're being respected, hopefully on both ends.
I commend your bravery to come on because it takes a lot to, I didn't know what I was expecting here.
I was like, what if it's me versus 12 liberals?
I'm ready for it, but I don't know.
I'm like, who the fuck am I to judge for you on your beliefs?
Well, that's a take to have.
That doesn't make you a horrible person, at least for me.
I can't judge you as a person on what you were raised by, or what you're, that's all you've ever known.
You know, I'm not, that's not my place.
And I'm also not going to fucking critique you if you have that because it's a beautiful outlook on individual liberty and freedom and respect.
And if only the rest of the country was as tolerant as that.
The point that I wanted to make was I want to salute you for coming on the podcast, having the bravery and the courage to do that.
I think you conducted yourself extremely well.
I've enjoyed speaking with you.
I thought it was very base that you said, yeah, it's gay when dudes like who have a fetish for dicks.
That's true.
Yeah, that's true.
I thought that was funny.
I forget their name, Chase, but that's literally what they're called.
And I want to say too, like, I salute you as well for hosting Allie because I think one of the reasons why podcasts like this are so valuable is because there's this tension that's building in our country with these ideologies and between like the right and the left and all that kind of stuff.
And I think conversations like this help us understand one another better.
And I think that's really important.
And like, despite seeing the clips and like being nervous about coming in here, like I really commend you for coming here.
And I've valued hearing your experience.
Yo, let's get W's in the chat for Allie.
Let's see Wally, I guess.
Wally.
Yeah, Wally.
Wally in the chat.
Let's get Wally in the chat to salute.
And also, I just want to address one thing.
There were a couple times where me and Chase were kind of giggling a little bit.
I actually want to apologize for that.
That wasn't cool, especially when you were speaking to that too.
I'm going to be honest, guys, I have a very fucking dark sense of humor.
I can take a lot of shit.
But if we're having a serious conversation, 100% avoid the hate comments because I know they can be funny as fuck.
I laugh at my own fake comments too, let's be real.
But when we're having a certain debate, there's a time and place for shit.
And if we're talking about something, I'm like, don't let that shit be a distraction.
Yeah, I'm kind of like tuned into, I'm tuned into the chat a little bit.
There was a comment that I saw that was funny.
I think Chase probably saw too.
I want to apologize because it was disrespectful.
That was disrespectful.
But I appreciate you taking it on the chin and being a good sport.
Like I said, I'm a very patient person.
Just don't have a lot of patience is all it is.
Yeah.
Cool.
Okay, so I reckon we ought to wrap soon unless you guys want to.
Please let us go.
And we have two hours to drive back to LA.
Please, it's 12.30.
Because I'm flying out at 12 o'clock tomorrow.
Melee X.
And speaking of Allie's, poor Allie over there has been giving me the death stares for the past two hours.
Like, hurry the fuck up, Brian, and wrap up the show.
But appreciate, I do want to say to the whole panel, this was a Deborah, I think you, Deborah, you're killing me here.
Okay.
I do want to say.
I'm going to use the broken fingers and the doll.
All right.
Brian put in some work on her.
It's a weird skeleton she has.
Okay.
Sanitize your hands after touching it.
I want to thank the panel for staying as long as you did.
This was, I think this is our longest show ever.
So I appreciate your guys' patience.
Yo.
Thank you guys for chat.
If you guys appreciated this episode, smash the thumbs up button.
Throw a W in the chat if it was a solid episode and you guys enjoyed it.
And subscribe on Rumble so we get that monetization up.
Yeah.
So Brian.
And donate.
Brian needs racks on racks because apparently he's secretly rich, but we don't know it.
According to Kiko.
Yeah, subscribe to Brian.
Who subscribed to Brian on Source, right?
Yeah, who also knows how puberty blockers work.
Yeah, also, if Christ is Lord, throw Christ as Lord in the comments.
In all caps, please.
Thank you, fam.
Shout out Brian for hosting us.
Also, Brian!
Brian.
Well, we're not.
All right.
Also, since we're telling people to throw stuff in the chat, throw, let's see, like World of Warcraft should release hardcore mode.
Okay.
So don't worry about it.
Okay, so we got your room.
You guys want to watch your Rumble video to wrap things up?
You guys, Allie, you down?
You down for a little tape video?
I think they are really trying to get out of here, bro.
Okay, they are really trying to get out of here.
I do love daddy tape.
They have a two-tape.
You want to respond to it?
I really love daddy tape.
We'll do a vote.
Show of hands.
Who wants a tape?
How long is it?
Did you say daddy tape?
Yes.
My boyfriend's always taking away.
Is he still watching?
No, he's fine.
Okay.
Let's do some chats and then we'll see how everyone's feeling.
Okay, Ivan Jr., unfortunately.
Ivan, dude, I'm sorry.
Did this come in?
Did she read this?
Let's just read it.
Ivan Jr., $150.
Thanks.
Sorry.
Kiko has a lot to learn socially.
Her emotions get her lost in ramblings of nothing.
This is true.
Quick to shame me on my point, but is a know-it-all on something she clearly hasn't studied and doesn't believe in.
This is also true.
And a common occurrence.
I would love to defend the good men that still exist, Brian.
Yeah, you should come in, Ivan.
Yeah, Ivan, sorry that we didn't get this one.
Kiko was in this one's a little is this is this TOS Majority of Americans rallied for LGBTQ in 2007 to 17 until it was being pushed hard.
I lost friends of 10 years in the industry.
I wouldn't marry them.
It's not that we're bothered.
It's the way it's being pushed so hard and friends of LGBTQ being groomed to, quote, try.
You want to get this one?
Sure.
What's his name, Mark Quavius?
Markquavius.
Markquevius, this is a result of a femme-centric society.
Rather than providing compassion, discernment, support, and biblical love, mental illness is over-nurtured, praised, and pedestalized.
It is an evil, cruel world.
Qualified men need to lead.
This is proven by single mother stats.
Bro, Mark Quavius dropping facts, dude.
This is absolutely 100% correct.
This one.
I mean, yeah, why not?
You sure?
They dropped $120 on it, bro.
Does it have a problem?
Maybe by pre.
Aussie donated $120.
He says trans movement is a false.
It's going to get you demonetized.
Huh?
It's going to get you demonetized.
Too late.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I don't need to read the rest of the video.
Don't read the rest of it out loud.
Those are buzzwords.
Yeah, we...
Okay, wait, maybe I'll hide it.
That's an important point, though.
Important point.
TGR is a buzzword.
Is it really?
Yes.
That's good to know.
Big time.
Really?
Big time.
You can't say guitar about this.
Everything's tape now.
Don't say the word time.
Okay, good time.
So they're in bed with them.
YouTube.
They made the bed.
That's a good way of putting it.
They own the bed.
Tate video, Ali.
I know you're a big Tate fan, right, Allie?
Allie, just admit that you love Andrew Tate.
You have a thing for bald men.
Just say it.
Just say it.
Where are you going?
Just getting a hoodie.
Wait, we're almost done.
Just power through.
Power through.
Okay, let's do one tape video.
Let's wrap.
I need to go to the next one.
quick uh eric uh do the uh show me which ones we have Just over to video tab.
What's this one trying to do?
They got like gray goose.
Next one?
That's what we need.
Next one.
Brian, it looks just like you.
Next time.
Did we really do a tape video?
How long is it?
Oh, it's awesome.
It's two minutes.
Oh, God, that's so long.
I think we should just wrap it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's just wrap.
Okay.
Oh, I got a shout out to Twitch and then we're going to wrap.
Twitch.tv.
Am I abusing here?
Am I abusing?
Just lingering the show on?
Okay.
Yo, Rebel, thank you for the Prime.
Yeehaw, thank you for the Prime.
Burt Burt, thank you for the Prime.
Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow or a Prime sub.
P-Z Arc, thank you for the follow.
Usario, thank you for the follow.
Shepard, thank you for the follow.
Appreciate you guys.
Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow and a prime sub on your way out.
Okay, sweet.
Allie, I know you have a last word you really want to get in, so feel free right now if you want to just drop some hot takes on your bombs.
Wait, what?
What am I saying?
I don't know.
Drop some bombs on your mom.
Moms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are ready.
There's vomit on her sweater already.
Bombs spaghetti.
I think I'm going to pass.
I don't have any hot bombs I want to talk about.
Come on.
Maddison.
She's nervous.
She's not going to drop bombs.
Her bombs aren't ready.
You got any bombs to drop?
You got bombs.
M-Dog, you got some bombs?
What you got?
Not really.
I. Mattis.
What's your most controversial take?
Yo, real quick.
Chat.
If Jesus loves Allie, write Jesus loves Allie in the chat, please.
Out of love for Allie.
What's your most unpopular opinion, Maddie?
My most what?
Unpopular opinion.
Unpopular opinion.
I don't have unpopular opinions.
Come on, be honest.
You're just always on point.
It's hard to think of off the top of your head.
Off the top of your head, like what's like.
Okay.
What do you think of guys who go to.
You guys both go to UCSB, right?
Santa Barbara City.
We both live here, though, in Isla Vista.
You live in Isla Vista.
What do you guys think about SBCC guys?
I like them.
It's the guys that you see living around here.
I mean, they're like no other.
Everyone's super duper cool, though.
Oh, okay.
What do you think about guys in Isla Vista?
I don't think anything of them.
I have a boyfriend that I'm going to be.
Well, before, okay, were either of you frustrated with the dating scene in college before you met your boyfriends?
Were you like, man, this sucks?
All these frat boys just be doing some shady shit.
Yo, they have a two-hour drive back to LA tonight.
Do you want to let them go right now?
No, we'll.
Continue the conversation.
No, well, they all got a good.
I'm giving them 30 seconds if they want to.
I'm trying to reel them in a little bit here at the end.
Me personally, like I said, I came here with a boyfriend.
Oh, you already have him.
I was probably single for like a week.
And then I got swooped up quick.
Got swooped up.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hot commodity.
Allison, Gertrude Smith.
How about you?
Huh?
I think it's very hard to find someone here, so I'm just very glad I did.
And I'm really happy with him.
So I feel like moving here, especially to Santa Barbara, like that's all you can think about too, is like the hookup culture.
But I didn't move here thinking that I wanted to be this crazy girl and go out and hook up with all these different guys.
Like, I don't know.
I'm young, I would say.
I'm very, very young, but I feel like 18.
But I feel like I moved past that point in my life, and I kind of want to just like chill out, focus on school, focus on my relationship, like go to church.
Like, I don't know.
I'm over that time in my life.
No ho phase at all, huh?
You just bypass the ho phase.
Well, there were some indiscretions, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But that was, yeah, those were, that's, that's the past.
It's in the past.
Those are quick years.
You got your boyfriend.
You say you're going to marry him, so good for you.
Okay, so last question.
What's the tattoo?
1975?
Is that a band or the song?
Your dad's birth year.
Your dad's birth year.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then.
Did he pass away?
No.
Oh.
But I do have my mom's birthday on my rib cage, her, like, birth flower on my back, her, the birth, or the year that my mother passed away on my back.
Sorry to do that.
And then it's okay.
It's all good.
Don't worry about it.
Does everyone ask you if the 1975 is like your favorite band?
No.
No one really asked me about this tattoo, honestly.
Isn't there also a song by like Smashing Pumpkins?
Crazy.
Madonna waiting for a Nirvana.
It's called Bowling for Soup, 1999.
1985.
Wait, but there's also 1979.
I've never listened to this band in my life.
It's a one-off song.
Oh, sorry, 1979, The Smashing Pumpkins.
Okay, cool.
All right, we're going to wrap up the show.
Did we get any super chats or we're good, Eric?
Okay, cool.
All right, Eric wants to go too.
He's got a lot of fun.
Sweet.
So, guys, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show.
Really appreciate all the support, guys.
Like I said, we're, you know, YouTube, there's really strict rules when it comes to monetization.
So really appreciate the fan funding.
You guys are awesome.
Big thank you to the panel.
This was our longest stream ever.
So thank you guys for your patience.
Solid follow-up to round one.
It was good.
It was good.
So thank you to all our chat mods.
Thank you, everybody, for, again, all the support.
Any, let's see, any women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
We will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
Hold on.
I actually have to do a raid for somebody.
Hold on.
Who am I going to raid?
We are going to raid Chris, the producer from Fresh and Fit.
If you're on Twitch, so I'm going to send you guys over there right now.
So I'm going to say goodbye to the Twitch people.
Goodbye to the Twitch people, and then I'll say goodbye to the YouTube people.
All right, start.
Hasta luego.
And then, wait, how about you go home?
And then, okay, so sorry guys, I'm new to that.
Okay, so we will be live again Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
Guys, I have a lot of exciting guests coming back on.
I think we're going to maybe get Michael Knowles back on.
Some other Daily Wire talent is going to be coming on.
Do you know when Michael might be coming back?
I don't want to say anything specific, but we are in discussions getting him back on.
I got some other big guests coming on, so be sure to stay tuned, guys.
We've got some really solid guests coming.
So again, live again, Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
We will see you guys next time.
Thank you again to the wonderful panel.
We'll see you guys next time.
Have a good night, guys.
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