The Lost Episode: Nazis for Ron Paul: Curtis Maynard, Pt. 2
In 2007, a white nationalist known for his addiction to causing drama claimed he saw Ron Paul at a nazi supper club. Ron Paul supporters, including those on nazi message boards, pushed back. The feud that ensued led to Curtis Maynard's fall from grace as a holocaust denial blogger - he'd been keeping a secret from his readers.Sources:https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hate-watch/ron-pauls-new-organization-reportedly-stacked-extremists/ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jan/16/guiltbyassociation https://web.archive.org/web/20071226150527/themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/24/the-ron-paul-vid-lash/ https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/pageoneplus/corrections.html https://web.archive.org/web/20071221222229/http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28341_Neo-Nazis_Say-_Ron_Paul_is_One_of_Us&only https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/local/sarasota/2018/10/01/alleged-white-nationalist-peter-gemma-resigns-from-sarasota-gop-executive-committee/9732609007/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2005/04/07/for-holocaust-denier-theres-no-telling/057d4471-7668-4bf2-ba59-6e7f9666bb18/ http://new.wymaninstitute.org/2004/12/former-senior-aide-to-pat-buchanan-spoke-at-holocaust-deniers-meeting/ https://www.mediamatters.org/white-nationalism/white-nationalist-writer-peter-gemma-resigns-sarasota-gop-executive-committee https://www.c-span.org/program/public-affairs-event/conservativism-and-foreign-policy/182250 https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/21/world/americas/21iht-hate.4.17140643.html https://roanoke.com/news/local/nazi-leader-bill-white----in-his-own-words/article_7e5c7e03-bdcf-5542-a6be-0433ba2d7aee.html https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/assault-gets-even-ugliercontroversy-escalates-over-sexual-violence-campus/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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In December of 2007, a neo-Nazi named Bill White was very angry and very online.
That wasn't out of character for him.
His habit of lashing out at anyone he disagreed with would eventually land him in federal prison.
He threatened, intimidated, doxed, and harassed people for years.
Members of the jury that convicted white supremacist leader Matt Hale, a prosecutor handling a case against members of a white supremacist militia in Florida, tenants who sued him for housing discrimination, and his own ex-wife.
He was a menace on the Nazi message boards.
And just before Christmas in 2007, he got into a fight with a former friend that would send that man into a deadly downward spiral.
I'm Molly Conger, and this is the lost episode of Weird Little Guys.
For all the side stories, digressions, tangents, and the months this episode has been lost, this has always been a story about Curtis Maynard.
the Holocaust denial blogger who murdered his ex-wife and then died by suicide in 2010.
But if I'm being entirely honest with you, it's really only barely about Curtis Maynard.
His story, told on its own, is pretty short, and you already know it.
It was in part one.
He was a Holocaust denier who hoped to make a career as a white supremacist writer.
He had a short rise to minor fame in his horrible little corner of the internet, and then a sudden fall from grace.
He spiraled after his second divorce, and he shot himself in the head while fleeing from the police after murdering the mother of his children.
I'm not interested in a straightforward true crime narrative about an act of domestic violence.
In the story about Curtis Maynard that I think is more interesting, he's only a bit player.
The stories playing out all around him in the last few years of his life are full of weird little guys.
Guys like Bill White.
William Alexander White is not a man I'm quite ready to explain, even still.
His role in this story makes him unavoidable.
And I will write about him eventually.
Because he's a man I've spent years thinking about and hundreds of hours reading, mostly by way of his voluminous, vexatious court filings from federal prison.
He'll have his day on the show, I promise, but until then, he is going to keep popping up in a lot of other people's stories.
He's almost always there.
You might even remember him from a brief aside in an episode that aired last November, the episode about Ethan Melzer, the U.S. Army soldier who leaked classified troop movements to what he thought was al-Qaeda, but it turned out to be a mentally ill Canadian teenager.
In that episode, I was talking about the ideological shift within the neo-Nazi group Adam Woffen as some of its members gravitated towards the magical Satanism of the Order of Nine Angles.
And it wasn't until several members of Adam Woffen ended up in court that it was revealed that Joshua Caleb Sutter had been working for the FBI for a decade.
And as a dedicated reader of Bill White's lawsuits against the government, I know that Bill had been saying that for years.
I mean, Bill has a lot of theories about who might be an informant, but you can't deny he was right about Sutter.
Bill White is a Nazi.
That much is probably obvious by now.
But he's also kind of a drama queen.
Before he became a jailhouse lawyer, he was an incessant blogger.
And in all his years in the movement, he was never not a problem.
He was stirring up shit in a way that can only be described as pathological.
And that might be because it was.
Normally, I think it would be unfair to speculate about someone's mental health based on what they're writing in their blog.
But in Bill's case, I have some proof.
Because for some reason, he once filed a complete copy of his own psyche vow as an exhibit in a court case.
So I can tell you that several prison psychiatrists and court-appointed forensic psychologists have diagnosed Bill White with narcissistic personality disorder.
That's a term that's seen a lot of abuse in popular online discourse, reducing it to a meaningless epithet hurled at someone who's behaving badly.
But it is a real clinical diagnosis, albeit a controversial one.
And it's a term with an actual meaning.
Drawing directly from one of his evaluations, the doctor wrote, The essential features of narcissistic personality disorder are a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins in early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts.
Histrionic traits include a propensity for needing to be the center of attention, while antisocial traits refer to engaging in activities that run counter to mainstream social norms.
Now, I want to be clear.
I'm not saying that everyone with a personality disorder is a bad person.
Having a personality disorder doesn't make you a Nazi.
It doesn't make you a criminal.
It just so happens that Bill White has a personality disorder and he is a Nazi and a criminal.
They don't always go together.
This is a difficult condition to live with.
There's no cure.
And the nature of the condition often means that those living with it don't feel like they need treatment.
But there are people who manage to live relatively normal lives with the support of things like dialectical behavior therapy.
So my intention is not to slander everyone living with a personality disorder.
But I do think the diagnosis sheds some light on Bill White's behavior.
He needs to be right.
He needs to be the center of attention.
He'll do almost anything to get that attention.
Positive or negative, it barely matters.
And any perceived slight against him is all the justification he needs to go absolutely nuclear in response.
The white power movement is full of men who attack their enemies.
And there are plenty of them in the movement going after each other.
There are power struggles, ideological disagreements, and just plain friction between guys with poor social skills.
None of that is that unusual.
But even in that milieu, Bill White stands out because Bill White had beef with everybody.
And it was Bill White and his insatiable need for attention that drew Curtis Maynard into an online argument in December of 2007.
It was Bill White's irresistible urge to lash out at anyone who crossed him that ended up ruining Curtis Maynard's reputation among the racists who read his Holocaust denial blog.
On December 19th, 2007, Bill White made a pretty big claim.
He logged on to Vanguard News Network, a neo-Nazi forum, and started a thread with the title, Ron Paul Lies About Lack of Involvement with White Nationalists.
The post read, Comrades, I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble.
However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Taratai Restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays.
This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis, and Joe Sabron, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.
For his spokesman to call white racialism a small ideology and claim white activists are wasting their money trying to influence Paul is ridiculous.
Paul is a white nationalist of the stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.
I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to expose this.
However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism, and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous.
And I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.
Bill White, Commander, American National Socialist Workers' Party.
Now, is that true?
The short answer is legally, no.
I won't say that this Nazi is telling the truth.
Is it possible?
Kinda.
Yeah.
Probably not.
Not exactly.
Not down to the details, but maybe a little.
Yeah.
But we'll get to that.
Almost instantly, I mean with a curious quickness, conservative blogger Charles Foster Johnson picked up the story and he got a post up on his blog, Little Green Footballs, within hours of Bill posting this on the Nazi forum.
And Johnson dug up what looked like pretty damning receipts.
Ron Paul's campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission do show that someone used campaign funds at a restaurant called Taratai in Arlington 11 times in 2007, spending about $40 once a month or so.
Now, there's no proving anything here.
This was too many years ago, and no one who could still tell the truth about this has any incentive to do so.
But I can tell you what I think happened here.
Bill White made up a pretty convincing story that has some elements of truth.
But he messed up some of the details.
The white nationalist dinner meetings he's talking about were real, but he got the name of the restaurant wrong.
Until his death in 2005, white supremacist writer Sam Francis did host monthly get-togethers at a Thai restaurant in Northern Virginia.
But that restaurant was called Salatai, not Taratai.
It just so happens that Taratai was about a quarter a mile away from Ron Paul's campaign headquarters in 2007.
So far from being a smoking gun that proves Ron Paul was going to a monthly Nazi dinner party, it just looks like that was the preferred takeout destination for someone on the campaign staff.
But in 2007, those white nationalist dinners at Solatai were still going on, organized by a longtime Council of Conservative Citizens member named Peter Gemma.
Gemma responded to White's allegation, writing, I ran those dinners.
Rob Paul was never there, nor did we run some sort of neo-Nazi meeting.
We had academics and activists of national repute.
The audience were people who work in government, business med, and grassroots types too.
Bill White ever came to the meetings.
He didn't use his real name.
He doesn't even get the name of the restaurant correctly.
I don't think anybody's telling the whole truth here.
Gemma claims he never saw Ron Paul or Bill White, and that might be true.
But he also claims the dinners weren't Nazi meetups, and that's not true.
He was at the time the media relations director for a nonprofit called the National Policy Institute.
Yes, that National Policy Institute, the same one that would later appoint Richard Spencer as chairman.
And Peter Gemma had more than a few ties to the movement.
He was quite publicly associated with this kind of stuff, at least as far back as 2004, when he gave a speech at the annual Holocaust Denial Conference held by the Institute for Historic Review.
In 2005, the Washington Post ran a story about him hosting a book signing for David Irving.
But for some reason, it took until 2018 for the Republican Party Committee in Sarasota County, Florida to vote to remove him from their executive committee.
He passed away in January of 2025, and his obituary mentions his work as a staffer for Ronald Reagan and says he wrote articles for many publications.
But the obituary does not mention that many of those publications were explicitly white supremacist outlets like Occidental Quarterly and V-Dare.
But on the subject of these dinners, we have a lot of claims from a lot of men who aren't telling the truth.
The dinners Bill White is claiming he saw Ron Paul attend were definitely real.
I mean, the dinners were real.
It's just a question of who was there.
We know they were attended by the intellectual giants of the white supremacist world, such that those exist, as well as white supremacists with connections to more mainstream conservative politics.
Peter Gemma himself was a senior staff member of Pat Buchanan's 2000 election campaign, and he probably met Bill White back then.
White claims that he led the petition drive for Buchanan's candidacy in Maryland.
Sure, Bill White's a liar, but a photo taken by a Washington Post photographer in March of 2000 shows Bill White standing right behind Pat Buchanan at a campaign event in Bethesda.
But the question at hand is still, did Ron Paul ever attend those dinners?
I don't know.
When Virginia Heffernan, writing for the New York Times, picked up the story from the blogosphere, the Ron Paul campaign quickly issued a denial, and the New York Times pulled the story and issued a correction.
The campaign flatly denied that Ron Paul had ever attended such a dinner or met Bill White.
Although they did admit that Norm Singleton, Ron Paul's legislative director, had met Bill White, quote, at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner.
So it seems like the nugget of truth in Bill's post is that he did meet a man who worked for Ron Paul at one of those Nazi dinners.
But it was a few years ago, so he didn't quite get the name of the restaurant right.
And the timing tells us something about Bill White's decision to make this story up too.
December 19th, 2007 was the exact same day that the Ron Paul campaign issued a statement that they would not be returning a $500 campaign donation made by Don Black, the webmaster of the Nazi site Stormfront.
Don Black was a vocal supporter of the Paul campaign, as were many Stormfront posters.
And Don Black boasted on Stormfront that dozens of his members were active campaign volunteers and donors.
A photo had recently surfaced of Ron Paul and Don Black at a campaign event in Fort Lauderdale in September.
Actually, if you look at Don Black's Wikipedia page right now, the photo of his face on that page is actually cropped from this picture.
So if you go to Don Black's Wikipedia page, there's a picture and it's just Don Black's face, but know that if you zoom out, Ron Paul is right there.
By December, there were calls for Ron Paul to return these Nazi campaign donations.
And it's obvious that this is the story Bill White is responding to.
He quotes directly from the campaign press release that had been issued just a few hours earlier, with a Paul campaign aide saying, quote, if someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money, end quote.
But Ron Paul himself refused to disavow the support of white nationalists, saying, quote, if they want to endorse me, they're endorsing what I do or say.
It has nothing to do with endorsing what they say.
I think the best explanation is that Ron Paul hurt Bill White's feelings.
That small ideologies comment clearly got under his skin.
He echoed it in his post.
He felt disrespected.
If Nazi money is good enough for Ron Paul, why does Ron Paul think he's too good for Nazis?
So he lashed out.
Ron Paul hurt him and he wanted to hurt Ron Paul right back.
And he was media savvy enough to understand that Paul was particularly vulnerable at that moment when it came to stories about his associations with white supremacists.
So my best guess here is that the claim he's making is not technically entirely true.
I don't think it's likely that Bill White ever sat at a dinner table with Ron Paul at a meetup organized by the Council of Conservative Citizens at a Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia.
I don't think every single one of those details was ever true at the same time.
I do think it's almost certainly true that Bill White met Ron Paul's legislative director, Norm Singleton, at one of those Nazi dinners back in 2002.
That seems to align with the campaign's owned admissions.
There are things in the story that are definitely true.
Paul Campaign's staff did have dinner with white supremacists.
Ron Paul did take money from Nazis.
Nazis did volunteer for the campaign.
Ron Paul did speak at events organized by white supremacists.
And then there are elements that could be true.
Things you can't prove or disprove, but sound possible.
Did Ron Paul campaign staff attend other dinners?
Did Paul himself ever meet privately with any of the men from those dinners?
We don't know.
Bill White invented a story that has a loose lineage that traces back to some kind of truth.
Right?
He made up a story based in some snippets of truth.
And he crafted this story to capitalize on the headline news of the day to soothe his own ego.
He didn't care what happened to Ron Paul.
He didn't care about anything other than creating a shitstorm that he could be in the middle of.
But honestly, he didn't actually need to make things up if he wanted to remind everyone that Ron Paul was paddling around with white supremacists.
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Just two months before Bill White made that post, back in October of 2007, Ron Paul had in fact been the guest of honor at a different restaurant at an event hosted by Nazis.
And there's no doubt this time about whether or not Ron Paul accepted the invitation.
Because in addition to the 200 some people packed into the Boulevard Wood Grill in Arlington, Virginia, there were cameras.
A C-SPAN camera crew captured the entire event.
Before we begin, I'd like to thank the other members of the executive board, Dan McCarthy and Kevin Deanna and Marcus Epstein, who actually founded the club just around a year and a half ago.
And their tireless efforts are invaluable.
Thank you.
Do you recognize that voice?
I think some of you might.
Maybe you're normal and that 15-second clip didn't make you almost drop your phone in surprise as you demanded to know, is that Richard Spencer?
Because it is.
That's Richard Bertrand Spencer.
Best known for such highlights as getting punched in the face on camera at Trump's first inauguration, nor having a screeching meltdown at an Airbnb because he didn't get to give his speech at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in 2017.
10 years before he helped plan the Nazi rally that killed Heather Heyer, he had just dropped out of a PhD program at Duke University to pursue his career in racism full-time.
He was living in Arlington and working as the assistant editor at the American Conservative magazine.
The event Ron Paul was speaking at that night was put on by a group called the Robert A. Taft Club, founded a year earlier by Richard Spencer, Kevin Deanna, and Marcus Epstein.
Epstein described the club as a forum for lively debate about the important issues that divide the right.
And while Richard Spencer's name is probably the only one of those three that sounds familiar to you, Kevin Deanna and Marcus Epstein were and are deeply entrenched in white supremacist circles.
Kevin Deanna and Marcus Epstein met in college at William and Mary, where they both wrote for and edited the school's right-leaning student newspaper, The Remnant.
Both men were named as defendants when the paper was sued for defamation in 2006.
The paper had been putting up flyers all over campus, naming a female student who had recently accused another student of rape.
In their articles defending this practice, which they justified by accusing women of lying about being raped, they brought up what they felt was a similar case, charges against a fraternity brother that had been dropped in 2004.
The editors of The Remnant didn't seem at all troubled by complicated truths, like the fact that the victim had been a 16-year-old high school girl, or that the fraternity brother accused of raping, sodomizing, and penetrating her with an object, admitted to getting the minor drunk to have sex with her.
He was ultimately convicted only of two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
The paper called that teenage girl a wannabe victim, a con artist, a liar, and a fraud.
The lawsuit was settled out of court just a few weeks before this event with Ron Paul.
After graduation, Kevin Deanna and Marcus Epstein founded a group called Youth for Western Civilization and started establishing chapters of this white supremacist student group on college campuses.
Future Weird Little Guy's subject Matthew Heimbach would later serve as president of the chapter of Youth for Western Civilization at Towson University in Maryland.
And Kevin Deanna, under the pseudonym Gregory Hood, still writes for American Renaissance, the white nationalist outlet that holds annual race science conferences.
Just a few months before this event with Ron Paul, Marcus Epstein was stumbling home drunk one night when he saw a black woman minding her own business.
Unable to control himself, apparently, he screamed the N-word at her and then charged at her and according to multiple news reports about this incident, tried to karate chop her.
He would eventually plead guilty to assault, but his boss, Congressman Tom Tencredo, didn't think the incident was serious enough to fire him.
And Pat Buchanan's sister, Bae Buchanan, told reporters that the incident was out of character for Marcus and chalked it up to some problems in his personal life.
So in the fall of 2007, Ron Paul was photographed with his arm around Stormfront webmaster Don Black, and he got a standing ovation after an introduction from Richard Spencer at an event organized by a guy who'd recently assaulted a woman he didn't know just because she was black.
Bill White didn't need to make things up if he wanted to draw attention to Ron Paul's cozy relationship with men who want to outlaw interracial marriage or whatever.
But Bill White loves to start drama.
So he logged onto that Nazi message board and he started posting.
The response was intense.
There were 441 replies to his original thread.
Most of the posters on Vanguard news seemed to have been ardent Ron Paul supporters.
So they were frustrated with Bill for hurting Ron Paul's campaign.
But beyond that, opinions varied.
Some users felt very confident that, of course, Ron Paul was really one of them, but they understood that it would be political suicide for him to admit it.
Others felt that Ron Paul wasn't quite aligned with them in that way, but they agreed with him about a lot of other issues, and his campaign events were a great recruitment pool for the movement.
One user posted, I know a lot of white supremacists involved in the Ron Paul campaign.
I wish he wouldn't shun away his true supporters.
Another said Bill's revelation wasn't even news.
Everybody in DC knows about Ron Paul's white nationalist connections.
Former Klansman and National Alliance organizer Ron Doggett weighed in, saying he'd been to those dinners plenty of times, and he never saw Ron Paul.
Mostly, people were pissed off at Bill.
One poster wrote, You're just a goddamn loose cannon who wants to be in the limelight and you don't care what you have to do to get there.
Why don't you pack up your shit and leave and try to incriminate and poison the well against someone other than Ron Paul?
Another politely chimed in, writing, While I find this information interesting and intriguing, I have to join the chorus here in asking, how the fuck does this help Ron Paul and white nationalism?
Todd Van Bieber, a man whose face is badly scarred from the time he nearly blew himself up, trying to build bombs he planned to set off at Disney World to distract the police while Nazis rob banks to fund a race war, was exasperated.
He posted asking Bill if this grandstanding was more important than ending the Federal Reserve.
James Leshkovich, posting as Yankee Jim, seemed to be having a good time watching the drama unfold.
Every dozen posts or so, there's Yankee Jim making some wise crack, posting laughing emojis and comments like, you sure do know how to get attention, Bill.
The poster known as Yankee Jim died two months later.
He hanged himself in his garage after beating his wife to death.
Curtis Maynard, an active forum poster and rabid Ron Paul supporter, saw the thread later that night, and he made the 142nd post in the thread.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
I will say that RP isn't afraid of talking with those holding an alternative view, but it seems a little far-fetched that he'd be knowingly meeting with and shaking the hands of Bill White and any stormfronters.
I'm calling total bullshit for now.
And then, Curtis Maynard jumped into action to defend Ron Paul's honor.
He fired off a blog post accusing Bill White of secretly working for Mossad.
That's right.
The most logical explanation he could come up with was that Bill White wasn't a real Nazi at all, but he was a Jewish agent provocateur trying to prevent Nazis from getting Ron Paul elected president.
In Curtis Maynard's opinion, that picture of Ron Paul with Don Black, well, that's obviously fake.
Everybody knows Don Black is fat and that man looks thin.
Maynard frantically scoured the internet for proof that Bill White was wrong, and he posted links to news coverage he felt refuted those claims.
After a couple of posts like that, another user warned him, writing, don't egg him on.
If you're not careful, he'll out everyone he knows of.
This is how William works.
Curtis's post was the last word in that thread.
On Christmas Eve, he wrote, If the elections were held today and the Jews weren't able to manipulate the tally, Ron Paul would receive the majority of the vote of both parties.
Anyone telling you any differently is either stupid, delusional, or complicit.
In another thread, someone linked to Curtis' blog post accusing Bill White of being a Jewish agent.
Now that thread, that one got out of hand, devolving into an argument between April Gade and Alicia Strom.
Those aren't really names you need to know for this story, but if you're an avid listener, you have heard them before.
Alicia, you might remember, as the second wife of Nazi pedophile Kevin Alfred Strom from the very first episode of the show.
April Gade is the mother of the twin girls who made up the short-lived white power music duo, Russian Blue.
And in the thread, Alicia shamed April for parading her daughters around in Hitler t-shirts to make money.
And April reminded Alicia that she said nothing about her ex-husband using pictures of the twins for sexual gratification.
It really went off the rails.
But the strangest part is how the conversation ended.
Curtis chimed in, replying to a picture of April Gade's daughters in those Hitler t-shirts.
He wrote, quote, Is it wrong of me to take my six-month-old daughter and use women's makeup to paint a beautiful Hitler mustache on her upper lip?
She's so cute.
Looks just like baby Hitler.
She has those brown locks sweeping across her forehead and everything.
The site was on fire for days.
Multiple threads, hundreds of posts, scores of users were mad at Bill White.
They were yelling at him, making fun of him, calling him names, digging up old allegations, and coming up with new ones.
And maybe he tried to ruin some of them too.
I don't know.
But I know he couldn't forgive Curtis Maynard.
In January of 2008, Curtis Maynard was needling Bill White.
He was still outraged at the damage Bill had done to Ron Paul, and he wasn't going to let it go.
He created a fake website for White's organization, the ANSWP, and declared himself the chairman of it.
He wrote open letters to Bill White on his blog and on the forums, trying to goad him into another fight.
In March, he gleefully reported that there had been a fire at one of Bill White's rental properties in Virginia.
And he accused White of hiring an anti-racist organization to set the fire in order to bolster his reputation for being racist against his black tenants.
It's a very roundabout, complicated sort of theory.
In the early months of 2008, a supporter of Bill's made posts on the forums calling for Curtis to be banned from the site.
So another user made a poll.
One of them should be banned.
But which one?
Bill lost.
People wanted Bill White banned from the forums more than they wanted to ban Curtis Maynard.
And Bill responded by complaining that, well, Curtis actually broke the forum's most important rule.
Posters on Vanguard News Network are not allowed to accuse other posters of being Jewish, unless you have proof.
In May, Bill claimed that Curtis Maynard didn't even exist and that the account was actually run by a black gay man hired by the Southern Poverty Law Center to make annoying posts that would make Nazis look bad.
When challenged to name any white activist who could vouch for him, Curtis snapped back that he was friends with David Duke.
As 2008 wore on, his posts grew increasingly paranoid and hostile.
He wasn't just accusing Bill White of being secretly Jewish, working for the government, or both.
He was starting to accuse other users on the forums.
It was spiraling.
And for as much as everyone on the forum hated Bill White, they were starting to turn on Curtis Maynard too.
And then in September 2008, Bill White made another accusation.
They'd been making things up about each other for nearly a year at that point.
But this time, Bill had found out something true.
Something damning in their circles.
Curtis Maynard's wife was Latina.
That meant he was guilty of one of the gravest sins in the white nationalist community.
He was a race mixer.
He had mixed race children.
A few days later, Maynard posted on his own blog that he was going to log off for a few months, ending the brief message with another shot at Bill White, writing, quote, As a parting message to my friends and readers, I'd just like to say thanks for supporting this blog as you have, and that Bill White of the ANSWP is a Jew and an agent of the ADL and SPLC.
Don't trust him.
And for God's sake, tell everyone you know that he is not a National Socialist.
And then he logged off.
I suspect even if he wasn't posting, though, he still saw the news when Bill White was arrested by the feds a few days later.
He was charged with making threats against the foreman of the jury that convicted white supremacist leader Matt Hale.
But it didn't matter anymore.
Even with Bill White offline and behind bars, everyone in the movement already knew the truth about Curtis Maynard.
And they reviled him for it.
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In December, his wife Melissa filed for divorce.
I don't think it was about this specifically, not really.
I'm sure there was a lot going on at home.
It wasn't just this online drama that drove them apart.
I don't think he was a great husband and father, to be honest.
He was home getting mad online while his wife supported their family as an engineer.
And given his history of drug and alcohol abuse, it's hard not to imagine that his sobriety is in question at this point.
And if he blamed Melissa, or just the color of her skin, for his loss of status in the movement, he may have been taking out his anger on her.
The divorce moved quickly, and she was granted full custody of their two daughters after he admitted in court that he'd once left the baby home alone.
In 2009, he turned his anger toward his own divorce attorney, accusing him of being a Mexican supremacist and working against his own client in the case out of loyalty to his own race.
And he started more blogs.
He started a new site for his Holocaust denial blogging, but it failed to attract the same level of interest as his writing had in the past.
In the past, he could count on visitors to his site seeing his content cross-posted on bigger platforms, like his friend David Duke's website or on Vanguard News.
But now there was no more free promo from big-name white nationalists.
Only long threads on the forums making fun of him.
A new account popped up on the forum, posting in his defense.
Other users quickly determined that it was Maynard himself and bullied him off the website again.
He never admitted that was his account.
But in this limited instance, I have to say I agree with the Nazi forum moderators on this one.
The writing style was very similar to Maynard's.
And he made more blogs.
He made several single-issue blogs focused on things like attacking his ex-wife and attacking his divorce attorney.
One of those blogs is entirely gone from the internet.
I can't even find a ghost of a page.
And that's probably for the best, because all of the references to that blog indicate that it was dedicated to revenge porn, nude photographs of his ex-wife that he'd taken during their marriage and posted online after the divorce to humiliate her.
And now that he was banned from Stormfront and Vanguard News, he redirected his forum posting energy into a site called the Ron Paul Liberty Forest.
RP Fan2008 was definitely Curtis Maynard.
He registered on the site just a few days after the blowup with Bill White in December of 2007, and he posted 3,000 times, including one thread complaining about how Google was returning too few hits if you searched for Curtis Maynard.
His last thread on the Ron Paul forum started on January 26, 2010, three months before Curtis Maynard died.
He titled it, My Conspiracy-Riddled, Hate-Filled, Weird, Stupid Goodbye.
And all of the modifiers in that title are in scare quotes for some reason.
And he did spell weird wrong.
The post is confusing.
It's very long.
It seems like he'd become disillusioned with the Ron Paul revolution, and he was growing concerned that Paul's libertarian policy on drug legalization would lead to widespread degeneracy and the destruction of society.
He rambles for a bit in the middle about the evils of pornography and usury.
There are inexplicable variations in font sizes and sentences that sort of trail off without concluding.
And then, in very small font at the bottom of the post, he wrote, I think RP Fan2008 must decease from the forums.
He later edited the post to add a YouTube link called The Eternal Jew.
The link is dead, so it could have been something else, but I assume it was the 1940 Nazi propaganda film.
Much of his internet footprint from this time period is gone.
Blogs wiped out for terms of service violations before anyone archived them.
Links that go nowhere.
Comments referring to forum posts on websites that haven't existed in over a decade.
But people on both sides of the issue, both white nationalists and anti-racist activists, saw Curtis Maynard's downward spiral.
He was unwell.
In May of 2009, a year before he died, a white nationalist podcast host made a passing reference to Maynard's history of accusing his enemies of being secretly Jewish.
The co-host of the show sort of processed the name for a moment and then recalled that, oh yeah, that's the guy that's been really racist online and then it came out that he had a Latino wife and mixed race children.
Adding that, quote, he seems a bit unstable to me.
Plus he calls all his old friends at VNN Jews now.
I wouldn't be surprised if he and his ex-wife end up in a murder-suicide type deal.
Around that same time period, about a year before the murder-suicide, a poster on an anti-racist message board made the same terrible prediction, writing, I wouldn't be surprised if Maynard loses it and decides to go on a spree and harms a bunch of innocent people.
I don't know how much you've followed about the guy, but he's a nurse, which means there are people of all races in a vulnerable position under this mentally ill person's care for medications, food, IVs.
That's the part that bothers me the most.
And it's that piece why I've sort of kept an eye on the guy.
What if this guy decides the Jews are the reason why his wife won her freedom and successfully was able to save herself and her kids?
That post ends with a question.
Are his wife and children at risk?
The site has long since crumbled to dust.
The post is preserved only as a quote with a dead link on a defunct blog.
So I don't know who it was that saw this coming.
But I know it must weigh heavily on their heart.
I don't think there was anything they could have done, though.
Who could they call?
The police?
The police wouldn't have intervened.
He hadn't broken the law.
By the time Curtis Maynard did anything, the police would have seen as reason to intervene.
It was already over.
And I won't tell that part of the story again.
I don't want to.
It's in the last episode.
Digging through hundreds of pages of old forum posts and finding a 20-year-old C-SPAN video of Richard Spencer trying to make Ron Paul laugh.
Those things are fun for me.
I live for that shit.
The bloody end, though, with a young mother lying dead in her own front yard.
That isn't where I want to dwell.
Curtis Maynard murdered Melissa Maza on April 21st, 2010.
He died by suicide not long after.
His stepdaughter survived being shot in the face, and his two younger daughters were able to escape the house without being physically harmed.
At the time of the murder, Curtis Maynard had very recently remarried.
Just two months before he died, he married his third wife.
And when he died, she was pregnant with their child.
When the news hit the Nazi forums, reactions varied.
Some die-hard conspiracy theorists jump right into their comfort zone, writing things like, I doubt the validity of the story's facts and think perhaps he was suicided.
And Alex Jones' competitors always seem to die in mysterious events involving guns.
Sounds like a setup to me.
But those commenters were in the minority.
For people who knew Curtis Maynard online, for those who'd followed his writing, there was some sorrow, but very little shock.
One longtime reader wrote, I really think that he struggled to maintain perspective and demonstrated more than a little barely controlled anger.
It's unsurprising to me that he met a violent end.
Another said, I regret not having attempted to contact him via email.
The signs of meltdown were there all along, but who expects something like this?
The posters on VNN, the site he was bullied off of at least twice, had no pity for him.
One of the site's moderators wrote, God forgive me for repeating it.
Guess I won't have to ban him anymore for calling everyone a Jew.
He's banned from life.
One less race mixer and batshit insane white nationalist who made us all look bad.
At least he took his Mexican ex-wife with him.
Many of the posts celebrated his death, as well as his ex-wife's.
Posters who feuded with him in the past gloated about getting the last laugh.
And some hoped that more mixed race relationships would end like this one.
As is often the case when Nazi's Monday morning quarterback a murder, many posters had notes, writing things like, what a stupid fucker.
He could have redeemed himself by giving his life taking out an influential member of the anti-white elite.
That would have brought him fame and respect instead of laughter and ridicule.
Over on Stormfront, where he hadn't posted since 2007, the post seemed a little more, I don't want to say thoughtful, that's not the right word.
I guess my perspective is pretty warped at this point.
No one is posting thoughtfully on Stormfront.
I think I was just surprised that anyone there still had the capacity to consider something like this tragic.
Because even users who had no problem with the man murdering his ex-wife thought it was just a little over the line to shoot the stepdaughter.
One user posted, he went off the deep end when he started writing about the fake moon landings.
I'm afraid he lost all ability to distinguish between lies and truth.
I sent him an email when he started on about the moon landings and tried to rein him back in, but he wanted no part of it.
His response to me was quite extreme, and since I didn't know him personally, there wasn't much else I could do.
The forums lit up for a few days, but then they moved on.
Curtis Maynard wasn't really missed in the places he spent years posting furiously, trying to make a name for himself.
Every now and again, someone remembers him.
In 2018, 8chan users were discussing the strange phenomenon of white supremacists with non-white wives.
And someone who knew the deep lore posted, there was a famous case of a guy on VNN called Mel Kerr, who posed as a tough Nazi and was meanwhile a househusband with a Hispanic wife, taking care of their daughter.
Usually, you learn of these things after the murder-suicide.
A fellow Holocaust denier he'd mentored in the early 2000s mentioned him fondly on the 11th anniversary of his death, offering a sentimental reflection about his dead friend.
The post was buried deep in the comment section of a conspiracy theory video posted by an anti-Semite in Idaho who has been asked by the Russian Orthodox Church to stop pretending to be a monk.
It's a fitting place, I guess, for the last remaining fond memory of a man whose rise and fall barely ever existed outside the comment section on racist blogs.
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