Viva & Barnes - The Rosanne Boyland Story: Live with Tommy Tatum! AND MORE!
Aired: 2026-04-21
Duration: 01:10:21


=== Lesser Known Vaccine Stories (04:55) ===

[00:00:00]  And gentlemen of the interwebs, when there's good news, there's good news.
[00:00:03]  And we'll start today with a little white pill of a historical potential addressing of previous injustices.
[00:00:11]  We'll see.
[00:00:11]  It's a good start, people.
[00:00:12]  Listen to this.
[00:00:13]  Under the disastrous Biden administration, this Pentagon waged an unrelenting war on our warriors on many fronts, including when it came to denying them simple medical autonomy and the freedom to express their religious convictions.
[00:00:30]  In other words, our men and women in uniform.
[00:00:32]  We were forced to choose between their conscience and their country.
[00:00:37]  Even when those decisions posed no threat to our military readiness, you know what I'm talking about what happened to COVID 19 and the vaccine.
[00:00:47]  No more.
[00:00:48]  That era of betrayal is over.
[00:00:51]  Under President Trump, the War Department continues to take decisive action to once again restore freedom and strength to our joint force.
[00:01:00]  We're seizing this moment to discard any absurd, overreaching mandates that only weaken our warfighting capabilities.
[00:01:08]  In this case, this includes the universal flu vaccine and the mandate behind it.
[00:01:14]  The notion that a flu vaccine must be mandatory for every service member everywhere, in every circumstance at all times, is just overly broad and not rational.
[00:01:24]  Our new policy is simple.
[00:01:26]  If you, an American warrior entrusted to defend this nation, believe that the flu vaccine is in your best interest, then you are free to take it.
[00:01:34]  You should.
[00:01:35]  But we will not force you because your body, your faith, and your convictions are not negotiable, your health.
[00:01:43]  It's common sense.
[00:01:44]  It's the kind of common sense approach we're undertaking in this department.
[00:01:48]  Rest assured that under President Trump, the War Department will always honor our brave warriors and do everything we can to restore the American people's trust in their military for generations to come.
[00:01:59]  And that's why I'm proud to sign this new policy.
[00:02:02]  And he goes on to say, let me just see if I can tinker with this war.
[00:02:04]  Well, look at this.
[00:02:05]  I can make myself bigger.
[00:02:07]  You hear the signing.
[00:02:08]  Ooh, I like the size here.
[00:02:09]  Roughly the same size as Pete Hegseth, except in real life, I'm pretty sure he's over six feet tall.
[00:02:14]  People.
[00:02:15]  I can anticipate the conspiracy theorists.
[00:02:19]  I can also anticipate the naysayers or the people who will find fault in everything.
[00:02:24]  The people who want to find fault or potential conspiracy theorists are going to say, this exclusion pertains to vaccines, and I'll put it in quotes, but not to mRNA technology.
[00:02:36]  And so, therefore, it might be wordsmithing of the devil.
[00:02:39]  I don't know about that.
[00:02:40]  I'm not going there yet.
[00:02:41]  All that I know is it's a good step in the right direction.
[00:02:44]  Other people out there might say, Yeah, they need to recruit people because they might have a military that is in a state of depletion or at least not at record high levels of recruitment, although it's much higher now than it was under the Biden administration.
[00:02:57]  And so they're trying to open up the floodgates or at least lift the restrictions of people who are going to join the military.
[00:03:04]  And some cynics might say that's in order to have a fighting force for protracted or future conflicts.
[00:03:12]  Set all that aside, it's about damn time.
[00:03:14]  You imagine, like, I'm just thinking about it, they compel the flu vaccine.
[00:03:19]  They are sending the Department of War, sending men and women into battle, into Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, missions that are more dangerous than anything on earth, training that is itself more dangerous than anything on earth.
[00:03:34]  I was listening to, I forget which podcast it was, they were talking about the training and how every year men and women die in training.
[00:03:41]  I think it was for Navy SEALs.
[00:03:43]  And the thought process was it needs to be that rigorous because if you don't have a death, Every now and again, as tragic as it is, it might mean the training is not hard enough and you're going to have more death in the battlefield.
[00:03:55]  Set all that aside, swimming things where they tie your hands up and make you jump up and down to gasp for air, and they're mandating a flu shot.
[00:04:04]  That is what you call either displaced priorities or we can get conspiratorial, which we won't.
[00:04:12]  But all that's to say, good news.
[00:04:14]  And now it should be reparations for those who were fired, reprimanded, sanctioned for their refusal to submit to the COVID shot.
[00:04:21]  And then we might start having some form of justice.
[00:04:24]  Ladies and gentlemen, how goes the battle?
[00:04:26]  It's another beautiful day in sunny Florida.
[00:04:28]  It's actually mildly cool today by Florida standards.
[00:04:33]  And we've got one hell of a show today.
[00:04:34]  Things happen at the last minute.
[00:04:37]  It's sort of the freedom of being a small ship you can navigate quickly and change course quickly.
[00:04:42]  Got a guest coming on today who is going to be talking about a story that, you know, part of the Jan 6 story and part of the injustices.
[00:04:50]  You know, we all know about the Jan 6 Fed's erection, we know about Ashley Babbitt.

=== Local News and January 6th (03:03) ===

[00:04:55]  There are some lesser known stories or lesser emphasized stories.
[00:05:00]  We know about Roseanne Boylan.
[00:05:02]  There were some great pieces in the Epoch Times covering her story, but it is one of the lesser.
[00:05:10]  Known or at least lesser emphasized stories.
[00:05:12]  And so I get a text this morning from Ivan Rakelin.
[00:05:14]  He says, How'd you like to have on Tommy Tatum?
[00:05:17]  You're going to meet him for the first time, some of you and others know him already.
[00:05:20]  He says, How'd you like to have him on?
[00:05:21]  He is one inch away, literally, from the Roseanne Boylan story, knows it probably better than anyone else, or at least tied up there.
[00:05:30]  And you want to have him on to talk about it.
[00:05:31]  And I said, Absolutely.
[00:05:32]  So if you don't know who Tommy Tatum is, and I'm not going to ever lie, period, I did not know much about Tommy Tatum until today.
[00:05:41]  And then you got to go bone up on someone's pedigree, someone's experience, the content, and as much as you can consume it to know who he is.
[00:05:48]  I now know a bit about Tommy Tatum, but I'm going to let him tell himself, tell his story himself.
[00:05:52]  Tommy, I'm bringing you in, sir.
[00:05:54]  Let's hold on.
[00:05:55]  We're going to do it this way.
[00:05:56]  Sir, how goes the battle?
[00:05:58]  It goes consistently and slow, but surely with the help of the Lord.
[00:06:04]  Now, I know that you're from Mississippi.
[00:06:06]  I know that you were one of the men arrested in the dragnet that was January 6th.
[00:06:11]  Do I understand correctly?
[00:06:12]  You were arrested in January 2024 or in 2024?
[00:06:16]  Yes, 2024.
[00:06:17]  It is a long story.
[00:06:19]  Part of that is me moving to Washington, D.C. and living with Ashley Babbitt's mother for a year, doing the years long vigil that we did outside the jail.
[00:06:27]  So I did that for a year with her.
[00:06:29]  During that year, we met lots of Congress people.
[00:06:31]  We made documentaries with Lara Logan, probably like 10 different documentaries.
[00:06:35]  And Ivan Rakeland, which has become a dear friend of mine, he kind of taught me and Mickey Witthof how to navigate Capitol Hill.
[00:06:42]  But they waited until June of 24 to arrest me, I believe, because at that time I had become a subject matter expert in the video.
[00:06:50]  And I had released some video that week that they thought was protected but wasn't, but of a case that was at trial that week, which kind of broke the story of the cops.
[00:06:59]  So I believe they flew two special agents to Mississippi to arrest me and to take my phone, basically.
[00:07:06]  We won't delve too far into it, but born and raised in Mississippi?
[00:07:10]  Yes.
[00:07:10]  Well, Benny Thompson's district in Mississippi, born and raised in Greenville, Mississippi, where the home of the rock and roll.
[00:07:17]  Benny Thompson, who's one of the more wonderful members of government.
[00:07:22]  Born and raised, what do you do for a living, or what did you do before January 6, 2021, and what are you doing now?
[00:07:28]  So, for a long time, I was running fine dining at restaurants, kind of moving all over the country.
[00:07:32]  I never got married, never had kids.
[00:07:34]  And then I got into broadcast radio, small market broadcast radio, and I was running 10 stations in the Greenville, Mississippi area.
[00:07:41]  There's a few cities there.
[00:07:42]  And in that process, we started local news with a man who's gone to pass away, but he was my mentor, Tom Churchill.
[00:07:49]  He was really smart lots of ways.
[00:07:50]  Kind of got me interested in doing local news.
[00:07:53]  And then when COVID hit, I kind of quit the radio station gig and I felt like I was led by the Lord to do local news.

=== Less Lethal Force Allegations (15:28) ===

[00:07:59]  And that kind of led me through January 6th.
[00:08:02]  What were you doing?
[00:08:03]  What was the purpose of you being at the Capitol on January 6th?
[00:08:05]  Was it documenting or was it participating in the protest?
[00:08:09]  You know, it was both.
[00:08:10]  Actually, I was there.
[00:08:11]  My goal was to go and at least film Donald Trump's speech at the ellipse, which I did.
[00:08:15]  I got the whole speech.
[00:08:17]  And then, if you remember, none of us knew what was going to happen after that because there were no plans, quite literally.
[00:08:22]  And we found out during Trump's speech that we would be walking to the Capitol.
[00:08:26]  So at that point, I go and I'm just going to document and be a part of more or less, you know.
[00:08:33]  I'm just sending myself some links so I can open them up as we talk.
[00:08:37]  But so you're there the entire day.
[00:08:39]  I mean, walk us through your experience.
[00:08:40]  I do want to get into.
[00:08:41]  Roseanne Boylan's death.
[00:08:44]  And now we're going to get into you living with her mother for a year because one of the things I've always wanted to do, I wanted to have on any number of the journalists who were writing stories covering her particular story and if her family was ready to speak out at any point.
[00:08:58]  But we'll get there when we get there.
[00:09:01]  For now, no one's going to get closer than you.
[00:09:03]  So tell us what happened that day, specifically where Roseanne Boylan died.
[00:09:07]  Yes.
[00:09:08]  So there's a lot that happened beforehand, obviously.
[00:09:12]  At the moment where I start making my way up towards the tunnel entrance, prior to that, just a few moments before I made my way there, there was a young man, a protester, had grabbed a megaphone and he was shouting through the megaphone, The cops aren't going to hit us anymore.
[00:09:27]  They're not going to attack us.
[00:09:28]  They're going to have us hear us out.
[00:09:31]  So at that point, I thought that all the violence was going to die down and everybody was going to go home.
[00:09:35]  I kind of figured it was over, but the curiosity got the cat and I wanted to see what was in that tunnel.
[00:09:40]  Because I had been filming the entrance of it for 30 minutes.
[00:09:43]  So, anyway, I make my way through to go over to where the tunnel is.
[00:09:46]  And you have to go up these steps.
[00:09:48]  They're like three foot steps where they usually set people for the inauguration.
[00:09:53]  And it was packed in there like sardines.
[00:09:55]  People are pushing.
[00:09:56]  And as they're making their way up, people are coming down who had just gotten maced or beat by the cops.
[00:10:00]  And they couldn't see and they're falling all over the place.
[00:10:03]  And so we would grab them and we would hold them, tell them, catch your breath, catch your breath, get your feet under you, and kind of tell them where to go.
[00:10:10]  That was going on the whole time I'm making my way up towards the top where the entrance of the tunnel was.
[00:10:15]  Once I got there, it seems like as soon as I put my foot on the stop level, the entire tunnel came back at us, like people were being pushed out of the tunnel.
[00:10:24]  And when that happened, I believe Roseanne falls into me and knocks me down.
[00:10:28]  And when I fall down, my left leg goes around the left side of the handrail that comes out where the president does the inauguration when he comes out of the tunnel.
[00:10:37]  My left leg was on one side of that, and the rest of my body was on the other.
[00:10:40]  And everybody fell down on top of us, like three or four people deep.
[00:10:44]  And when I look down, Roseanne is basically touching me less than 12 inches away.
[00:10:48]  And one of the things I always remember is she was bleeding from the mouth and the nose as soon as I saw her.
[00:10:54]  And I kept wondering, why is she bleeding from the mouth and the nose?
[00:10:57]  Why is she bleeding from the mouth and the nose as the world was shaking around us?
[00:11:02]  And I know now why she was bleeding from the mouth and the nose, but in that moment I didn't.
[00:11:07]  And this goes on for about seven or eight minutes.
[00:11:09]  And one of the very first things I can see, like when I get up from the people on top of us, and they were steadily spraying us with pepper spray, throwing people on top of us.
[00:11:19]  All that violence.
[00:11:20]  But very few J6ers know about this.
[00:11:23]  The very first thing I saw was what I call the Mexican woman.
[00:11:26]  The Mexican woman is a girl I call that because she resembles a friend of mine who happens to be Mexican.
[00:11:32]  And she was laying at the tunnel, her feet would be in the tunnel, and her head would be out of the tunnel, facing back towards the Washington Monument.
[00:11:40]  And when people would try to help her up, she would scream bloody murder because I think they were breaking her back on accident.
[00:11:47]  So you will hear a lot of these J6ers say, I heard Roseanne screaming and I was trying to help her.
[00:11:53]  They're not lying, but they're wrong.
[00:11:55]  And I was there the whole time.
[00:11:57]  They were hearing this other woman scream and they were trying to help her because Roseanne was unconscious the entire time.
[00:12:03]  And getting back to my story, this goes on.
[00:12:06]  My leg is trapped.
[00:12:07]  And at a certain point, Viva, I tell myself, I can't do anything.
[00:12:10]  I can't move.
[00:12:11]  I can't do anything.
[00:12:12]  And I grabbed the handrail and put my head behind the handrail and I prayed.
[00:12:16]  I said, Jesus, please let there be a moment of calmness come over this crowd so we can get up and get away from here.
[00:12:23]  And I know this is my testimony, Viva, because I know, like, I know the sun's going to come up tomorrow, but God answered my prayer and saved my life.
[00:12:31]  Because as soon as I said that prayer, I now know the man to be Jake Lane grabs me and tries to pull me from the bottom of the pile.
[00:12:38]  And he's unable to do that because my leg is trapped.
[00:12:40]  And I tell him, no, you'll break my leg, but go save those people because they're dying.
[00:12:45]  And I was talking about the people on the steps because they were, look like they were slowly fading.
[00:12:49]  You know, they were shouting, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, but their eyes were shut.
[00:12:53]  And so Jake lets go of me.
[00:12:55]  And I think he looks over there and he realizes he can't get there.
[00:12:58]  And then I think that's when he reaches down and tries to grab Roseanne and tries to pull her up.
[00:13:03]  But she's a dead weight, quite literally, at this point.
[00:13:06]  Well, not at this point.
[00:13:08]  But when Jake does that, I tell people I think Jake did save additional lives because when he did that, it caused a pause and it caused the cops to kind of stop just for half a second.
[00:13:18]  And I think that's what that pause allowed a lot of people to get away.
[00:13:23]  But what then happened is Luke Coffey starts making his way up the same steps.
[00:13:28]  And he goes in between me and Roseanne and Lila Morris.
[00:13:32]  Lila Morris is the police officer who picks up a stick and is on video.
[00:13:36]  And she strikes Luke Coffey with it two or three times.
[00:13:39]  And then she hits Roseanne with it four times, two times to the head.
[00:13:42]  And let me back you up a little bit because some people may or may not be familiar with all of the names that you're mentioning.
[00:13:49]  I'm going to bring back that video in a second.
[00:13:51]  Yes.
[00:13:51]  You never knew Roseanne Boylan before this event.
[00:13:55]  You didn't know who she was then and there, even when this was going on.
[00:13:58]  No.
[00:13:59]  It took me a couple of months to rectify in my mind who she was.
[00:14:02]  I don't know if the report's about Ashley Babbitt, you know.
[00:14:04]  So, you see what goes on under the tunnel.
[00:14:07]  I guess one question which everyone's going to ask is why the hell was the crowd even entering that tunnel, in that tunnel, and what provoked any sort of violent response or what was the crowd doing?
[00:14:19]  Okay, so when you look at that moment in time, this is two hours after everything has started in the tunnel.
[00:14:24]  So, at around 2 or 3, I want to say 3 15, the cops entered that tunnel.
[00:14:30]  And I'm glad you asked that question.
[00:14:32]  So, I believe that there are some DHS undercover operatives there that day.
[00:14:36]  And I believe one of them is what triggered all of the violence inside the tunnel.
[00:14:39]  And I have a video of a Capitol police officer swinging his baton head level at people.
[00:14:44]  And I know that one of the people, it's not on video, but I know one of the people he's swinging his stick at is one of the largest, worst agitators there in the crowd on January 6th.
[00:14:54]  And he was there with his father, who's the son who was a naval attache.
[00:14:58]  So people like Jake Lang was 12 inches away watching these cops take their sticks and swing them at people's heads as hard as they could.
[00:15:04]  You can look at the expressions on their face and know they were trying to hurt people.
[00:15:08]  So I believe.
[00:15:10]  That's what started the violence that day.
[00:15:11]  That a government official, an undercover government op, started the violence with the police officers who overreacted.
[00:15:18]  And then it was like an hour, hour and a half, two hour long.
[00:15:21]  They battled it out for a few minutes.
[00:15:23]  They get tired.
[00:15:24]  And then somebody would agitate it and start it back up, either being a police officer, a protester, or most likely an Antifa member.
[00:15:31]  So it kicked it back up.
[00:15:34]  And the people felt attacked and betrayed this month.
[00:15:36]  They stayed there at that tunnel.
[00:15:38]  They felt like they had every right to be there.
[00:15:40]  We felt like our country was being stolen from us.
[00:15:42]  And we had just been betrayed, and our government attacked us.
[00:15:46]  Where does the tunnel lead for those who may not know?
[00:15:49]  I think I've never to this day had not been in the Capitol, believe it or not, because most of the work goes on in office buildings and stuff when you go to committee hearings.
[00:15:56]  But I believe it goes straight up to the rotunda.
[00:15:59]  I'm just trying to Google it.
[00:16:00]  It says the Capitol, the primary tunnel connected to the Capitol building, to the House Senate.
[00:16:04]  So it leads inside, it leads into the building.
[00:16:08]  And so you presume that the cops are there protecting it, the crowd gets out of hand, and whatever.
[00:16:12]  And we'll get to how the crowd got out of hand.
[00:16:15]  I want to come back when you said you saw Roseanne Boylan there with blood coming out of her mouth and her nose, and you didn't know why at the time, but now you know why.
[00:16:23]  Yes.
[00:16:23]  What do you mean?
[00:16:24]  Why?
[00:16:25]  So I became a subject matter expert in the video because I knew a lot of J6ers.
[00:16:29]  I knew a lot of the other experts.
[00:16:30]  And I went through all the footage and I found a Kara Castronova will actually tell you about this as well.
[00:16:36]  She, I believe, spoke about it in front of Congress.
[00:16:39]  There's a video clip of around 421, a police officer pulling out a pepper ball gun and firing it 31 times into the tunnel.
[00:16:46]  And I believe one of those projectiles, I believe I had video of it hitting her in the nose or just right after.
[00:16:51]  It really needs, I have never had the resources to really.
[00:16:56]  Dig deep in and say definitively what these things are.
[00:16:58]  But I believe one of those projectiles hit her in the nose, and that's what caused her to be bleeding from the nose and the mouth.
[00:17:04]  And I'm a little, I really don't know how she made it from where she was standing when she got hit to where she knocked me down.
[00:17:10]  But that's mine.
[00:17:12]  I have it on video 31 Pepper Bot.
[00:17:14]  And if you listen to the other body cams, you'll realize that once they do that, the police officers, the protesters, everybody freaks out because the chemicals are raining down on their heads and they can't breathe.
[00:17:24]  And that leads to the cops pushing everybody out of the tunnel.
[00:17:27]  Let me ask you this.
[00:17:28]  You say you refer to yourself as a subject matter expert, and not to be glib or facetious.
[00:17:33]  I mean, what does that mean?
[00:17:34]  Did you go to court and you were recognized as this, or is this self-doubt?
[00:17:38]  I don't know.
[00:17:39]  It's obvious.
[00:17:40]  I have taken the time to watch all the videos.
[00:17:41]  I've produced exhibits for dozens, if not hundreds, of January 6ers who they tell me save them time off their years of their convictions.
[00:17:50]  But I actually took the time to go through all the publicly available video, and then I've published every bit of it, hundreds of them, like videos like.
[00:17:59]  Very few people realize, and I had an oathkeeper's lawyer once tell me that they did not know this angle existed of the cops who Shawnee Kirkhoff is leading the less lethal team.
[00:18:07]  That team shot seven people in the head to start the riot, basically, at around 106.
[00:18:14]  They shot eight human beings in the head with rubber bullets, Shawnee Kirkhoff's team did.
[00:18:18]  So I gave myself that title along with a few other people, like Ivan Ray Klin and other people tell me I probably know more about January 6th than anybody else alive.
[00:18:27]  I've been devoting my life to this for five years, Viva.
[00:18:30]  Like, because I felt like God put it upon me to even be there.
[00:18:33]  And then I felt like I had this woman's life, her memory of recovering drug addict, I had her existence in my hand for the world to remember.
[00:18:40]  And I want the true people to just know what happened to her.
[00:18:45]  When was it?
[00:18:45]  You know, it's funny.
[00:18:46]  You mentioned the Shawnee Kirchhoff team firing the rubber bullets or pepper spray pellets at people's heads, misapplying less than lethal.
[00:18:54]  I'm sure you're aware that Kirchhoff just sued Baker, Hanneman, and the Blaze today and argue that in the lawsuit, which I've gotten, I've fleshed through it for the first time, but it's 127.
[00:19:05]  I didn't have time to go through it either.
[00:19:07]  Well, in it, they allege that part of the animus was specifically Baker and Hanneman and the Blaze referencing that less than lethal abuse of that.
[00:19:17]  Or misapplying of less than lethal as though that was the animus to frame Kirchhoff herself.
[00:19:22]  I'll see if I can pull up the video of the Pellis.
[00:19:25]  We've seen it.
[00:19:26]  The guy who got his cheek blown out by the pepper bullet.
[00:19:29]  Yeah, he was the guy shot.
[00:19:30]  Yeah.
[00:19:31]  A lot of people don't realize there were seven other men who got shot before that.
[00:19:34]  And the Oak Cape's lawyers were denied that video in trial.
[00:19:38]  So did you testify in any of the trials?
[00:19:41]  Yeah, so I waived my Fifth Amendment rights and testified in June of 23 in USA versus Mock, and it was a per se trial.
[00:19:48]  And that was actually Judge Boesberg.
[00:19:51]  And I think Boesberg is guilty of a three year felony because misprision of a felony because in that trial I told them about the murder of Roseanne Bullen.
[00:19:59]  And he basically told me it was make believe on the stand before I could get all the words out of my mouth.
[00:20:05]  So, you did testify.
[00:20:07]  Okay, so this is interesting.
[00:20:08]  You testify before you get arrested.
[00:20:09]  You get arrested three years later.
[00:20:11]  I'm not familiar with any other example of someone who was arrested later after the events.
[00:20:18]  I'm trying to think of when, I'm trying to think of anybody who was arrested.
[00:20:23]  I presented a unique set of problems to them because at the time when I testified, I'm living with Ashley Babbitt's mother, Mickey Weddle Off, and Nicole Reffitt.
[00:20:30]  They're actually in the courtroom with me while I'm testifying.
[00:20:33]  And just the human part of it, it was so intense.
[00:20:36]  I just kept my face on Mickey's.
[00:20:38]  And Nicole.
[00:20:39]  And while I'm testifying, they parade a bunch of FBI agents in the room to stare at me real mean and everything while I'm testifying.
[00:20:45]  But the unique set of problems I'm talking about is did they want to arrest another January 6th that was living with Mickey Witthoff at the time?
[00:20:56]  Also, I have some other theories.
[00:20:59]  I don't know if they're true or not.
[00:21:00]  I was doing a lot of local reporting in my hometown of Benny Thompson's district, a lot of corruption.
[00:21:04]  I still do that.
[00:21:05]  And a lot of stuff that still hasn't been fleshed out.
[00:21:07]  Actually, after I testified in that trial, I named a few of the cops that.
[00:21:11]  Three or four or six months ago, the FBI went through Mississippi and arrested 14 dirty cops and sheriffs.
[00:21:17]  I had named a few of those cops in that trial.
[00:21:19]  And before I testified, I told those people that I had a reason to fear for my life if I testified today, not because of anything January 6th related, but because of the corruption I uncovered in Benny Thompson's district.
[00:21:30]  So I never knew if that was a reason why they never wanted to arrest me.
[00:21:33]  Did they not want to arrest me?
[00:21:34]  Because if they take me to court, they're going to have to show the government murdering a woman beside me because it's no way to move the video.
[00:21:41]  You know what I mean?
[00:21:42]  Well, so now we're going to come back to how you ended up living with the mother.
[00:21:45]  And I don't want to get into any personal relationships if it's on that line versus, I don't know, out of necessity because you're in DC or in the area.
[00:21:54]  So you later understand who the woman was that had blood coming out of her mouth.
[00:21:59]  Were you there when Roseanne died, when she passed away?
[00:22:03]  Yes.
[00:22:05]  I was at around the time that Lila Morris is picking up the stick and hitting her in the head.
[00:22:11]  You can see on the video me start to stand up and get away from that scene.
[00:22:15]  And then once I stand up, I kind of, you can see if you know the right video, I go back and I look for Roseanne where she's at.
[00:22:22]  And the guys had pulled her one step down and back a few feet to get away from the police.
[00:22:25]  And that's where they were doing CPR on her over to the left.
[00:22:30]  And then I'm going to add it to the stage right now.
[00:22:32]  I'll turn the volume down just so you can talk as we go over because I think the audio is not going to be useful other than hearing the chaos.
[00:22:41]  Let me get to the beginning here.
[00:22:43]  Okay.
[00:22:43]  So you'll walk us through here.
[00:22:46]  And this is your video with your annotations.
[00:22:49]  This is from inside.
[00:22:51]  This is the body cam from the cops.
[00:22:54]  Yes.
[00:22:54]  I believe this is the body cam from the person standing behind Lila Morris.
[00:23:00]  Okay.
[00:23:00]  And it's a police officer who picks up the stick and beats Frozen with it.
[00:23:03]  Yeah.
[00:23:04]  And it's, what kind of stick is it?
[00:23:07]  It's not a police.
[00:23:09]  It's like a branch, basically.
[00:23:10]  Somebody had tossed up to the tunnel entrance, like a long six foot walking branch or walking stick.
[00:23:16]  You'll hear people say it was a steel baton, but that's inaccurate.
[00:23:19]  It was a piece of wooden stick somebody tossed up there.
[00:23:22]  I'm just going to leave the volume a little bit so we can get a feel for the chaos.

=== Body Cam Video Analysis (14:54) ===

[00:23:27]  And you'll tell me when to pause in terms of.
[00:23:31]  Okay.
[00:23:31]  That's a crutch, it looks like.
[00:23:33]  Yeah, so that crutch, somebody had just tossed that crutch up there a few moments before that.
[00:23:37]  Okay, so that's actually the crutch that Luke Coffey picks up and holds up in the air and tries to, you know, get back, let's, you know, be safe or whatever.
[00:23:44]  That's where that crutch, a lot of stuff that had been tossed up to the tunnel entrance by the protesters.
[00:23:50]  Now, this person's coughing because of the pepper spray, presumably.
[00:23:53]  I'm not seeing a video play on my end, but yeah, there was a lot of pepper spray in there.
[00:23:57]  Sorry, that's my bad because I'm, you don't see, because I have the wrong video up on the screen, is what I'm playing.
[00:24:03]  Okay, let me do this again.
[00:24:04]  It's okay, brother.
[00:24:04]  It's okay.
[00:24:05]  Am I not using that?
[00:24:06]  I was going to tell you that that is the smartest t shirt ever because I never realized that that stood for live free.
[00:24:11]  I just thought Viva Free was your name.
[00:24:13]  That is a really cool t shirt.
[00:24:15]  No, my name is David Freiheit.
[00:24:18]  Freiheit is the last name.
[00:24:20]  Okay, hold on a second.
[00:24:21]  Do you see me toggling this now?
[00:24:23]  I do.
[00:24:23]  I see a yellow and black vest.
[00:24:27]  Okay, so the yellow and black vest is on the thumbnail.
[00:24:30]  Yeah, hold on.
[00:24:31]  Where?
[00:24:33]  We'll get this.
[00:24:33]  Hold on a second.
[00:24:34]  I'm using this.
[00:24:35]  I have to get.
[00:24:36]  It's okay, brother.
[00:24:37]  I'm not going anywhere.
[00:24:39]  Okay, here we go.
[00:24:39]  Now I got this.
[00:24:40]  Now I'm going to add it.
[00:24:41]  Now I know where the window is.
[00:24:42]  Here.
[00:24:43]  This is what we're doing.
[00:24:44]  And I'm playing this right now.
[00:24:45]  Okay, so let's play this from the beginning.
[00:24:47]  I thought we were seeing the same thing.
[00:24:48]  Now you see it?
[00:24:49]  No, because I'm playing.
[00:24:54]  Let's.
[00:24:56]  No, because I have two windows open here.
[00:24:58]  This one.
[00:24:59]  This one.
[00:24:59]  Take your time.
[00:25:01]  It's all good.
[00:25:02]  Here we go.
[00:25:02]  Add to stage.
[00:25:03]  Now we see it.
[00:25:05]  So this is a rare angle.
[00:25:06]  You can pause it real quick and I'll explain.
[00:25:10]  Okay, boom.
[00:25:10]  Sorry.
[00:25:11]  So, this was the one I thought we were looking at as I was narrating it.
[00:25:13]  Yeah, it's right there.
[00:25:14]  So, there's the stick.
[00:25:15]  You see, you see this wooden stick?
[00:25:16]  See how it's not uniform or whatever?
[00:25:18]  Yeah.
[00:25:19]  So, this body cam fell off of somebody and it just happened to orientate itself for a few seconds to where you see her swing the stick ultimately on Roseanne three or four times.
[00:25:28]  You can start.
[00:25:28]  Okay, I'm going to play this for her.
[00:25:38]  And there had been pepper spray deployed at this time in the tunnel.
[00:25:41]  Oh, all through the tunnel was saturated with it.
[00:25:43]  31 pepper ball rounds.
[00:25:45]  And they were spraying it with cans, basically dousing us with it.
[00:25:50]  Keep going.
[00:25:51]  Okay, there's the.
[00:25:52]  See, this is the crush I was talking about.
[00:25:54]  Versus if Roseanne is her friend who came with her at that time.
[00:25:58]  You didn't, let me pause it here.
[00:26:00]  You didn't see Roseanne anytime before you noticed blood coming out of her mouth and nose.
[00:26:03]  So you didn't know if she was intoxicated or on drugs or whatever?
[00:26:08]  Okay.
[00:26:09]  No.
[00:26:09]  I had no, I had just a complete stranger.
[00:26:18]  That's Ronald McAfee, and he's actually trying to help the police officer right there.
[00:26:31]  Oh, okay.
[00:26:34]  Who's this person with the sheriff?
[00:26:37]  This is Ronald McAfee.
[00:26:38]  This is actually one of the more prominent cases.
[00:26:40]  He was a sheriff himself there that day.
[00:26:42]  He's wearing a sheriff's flat jacket.
[00:26:45]  And what's interesting about his case is if you had the opportunity to isolate that audio, you would hear him talking to that.
[00:26:51]  Police officer and telling him he's going to help him up, and the police officer agreed to it.
[00:26:56]  And at trial, they would not play the audio, only the video.
[00:27:01]  So, right there are my shoes.
[00:27:03]  So, this is what has happened here Ronald McAbee was on top of that police officer.
[00:27:07]  They slid down a few stairs, and this is where this video is right now.
[00:27:11]  This video is actually looking at my shoes.
[00:27:13]  If you look through there, there's a very rare clip of Roseanne when they're doing CPR right there.
[00:27:19]  See her?
[00:27:20]  So, now this is after the striking and after the I say stampeding her after she's been crushed.
[00:27:32]  Yeah, so what happened, the reason she's right there is the protesters slid her away from the entrance of the tunnel so they could do CPR on her.
[00:27:40]  Eventually, they grow frustrated and they take her back and present her back to the police.
[00:27:44]  All right.
[00:27:45]  And so now, at what point in time do you, let me bring this back up here properly, at what point in time do you understand that she's died?
[00:27:55]  I don't.
[00:27:56]  I never understood.
[00:27:57]  When I looked down at her, I saw three or four men with military training working on her.
[00:28:02]  I kind of figured, okay, they got her.
[00:28:04]  There's nothing I can do.
[00:28:06]  Keep in mind, I had been at the bottom of this pile.
[00:28:08]  I had been beaten, doused with CS guys.
[00:28:10]  I'm in shock.
[00:28:11]  I had already fallen down twice.
[00:28:14]  So, I'm in shock and to the point where I immediately leave there and I go sit down and I start just trying to put water on my face and try to gather myself.
[00:28:24]  And that goes on for about 30 minutes.
[00:28:25]  And then that's when they cleared the terrace and we all had to leave regardless.
[00:28:28]  Okay, now I'm going to bring up the other one, which is a minute and a half video.
[00:28:31]  And this one is one, again, your annotations just so that people appreciate this.
[00:28:37]  And you're going to walk us through this one as well.
[00:28:41]  You saw, you noticed that they were striking someone the day of, but.
[00:28:45]  Didn't realize that Roseanne had died until afterwards.
[00:28:49]  And then you're piecing all of what you experienced together later on by revisiting and reviewing all the footage.
[00:28:55]  I remember it very vividly the days after, because it's a 24 hour drive from BC back to Mississippi.
[00:29:02]  They're talking about how the police officers, how we killed the police officer.
[00:29:06]  I had double pneumonia.
[00:29:07]  I was afraid to go to the doctors because I was afraid to call them terrorists.
[00:29:12]  All of that.
[00:29:13]  Eventually, I do exactly what you say, Viva.
[00:29:15]  I take time and I start doing the work and going through the footage and meeting lots of January 6ers.
[00:29:19]  As a result of me living with Nikki Winolf, I know you want to give you a note at some point.
[00:29:24]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:29:24]  Let me play this one.
[00:29:25]  I'll play it again with the audio low and the telephone on and the pause it.
[00:29:31]  When is the first time you actually get this body cam footage?
[00:29:34]  How many years later?
[00:29:38]  23.
[00:29:40]  So, the body cam footage, the way it becomes available, they would not release it as protected until the trial that they used it in was over.
[00:29:50]  So, you would get bits of body cam footage from the DOJ after the trial was over.
[00:29:54]  I suggest to you that you have not seen a lot of body cam footage because it never went to trial.
[00:29:59]  Like all these police officers up here at the front, there's body cam footage of this incident playing out somewhere.
[00:30:05]  Like, where is it?
[00:30:05]  It's never been released.
[00:30:07]  It hasn't been fully disclosed even under the current administration.
[00:30:10]  They just didn't do blanket.
[00:30:12]  Release of all the.
[00:30:14]  I met Mike Johnson before he became Speaker of the House, and I said, Listen, whenever you guys get control of Congress again, me and a few of my expert friends here would like to show you guys all the stuff that's in the footage because we've already done all the work.
[00:30:25]  And he looked at me in the eye and he said, We may need to do that.
[00:30:28]  And then he went on later, he told another January 6th that they're never going to release all of it.
[00:30:34]  And you have no understanding why.
[00:30:36]  It's not like he gave.
[00:30:37]  I have an understanding why.
[00:30:38]  It's not when they admit it.
[00:30:39]  It's because it's full of government operatives committing treason against average American citizens.
[00:30:45]  Let me bring this back in in a second, but I want to bring this one up.
[00:30:49]  My observation reading through the Shawnee Kirchhoff lawsuit is it reads more like the most transparent, and I put it in quote, defense of the Capitol Police.
[00:30:58]  Set aside her claim, whatever claim she thinks she has.
[00:31:00]  This is 127 pages, and it only makes sense because it's filled with, I would say, a ton of.
[00:31:05]  Unnecessary, extraneous stuff.
[00:31:07]  But i'm reading through it, and you know, they call the inside job of january 6th a false narrative.
[00:31:13]  My dog is going to knock over the camera.
[00:31:15]  Is that the?
[00:31:15]  Is that the prosecutors in that case?
[00:31:17]  And that still?
[00:31:18]  No no this, this is.
[00:31:19]  This is in the civil defamation case where okay uh, the law firm which is i'm going to forget the name of the law firm the big one that always takes Perkins COY, Perkins, COY?
[00:31:29]  Well no, I think is it the one like that though right, a big one, big Democrat law firm?
[00:31:33]  Yeah, it's the, it's the, it's the the one who?
[00:31:35]  Who sued?
[00:31:36]  Um oh, it's the CIA law firm, I forget.
[00:31:38]  Yeah, that's what's, what's the name, Come on.
[00:31:40]  The chat's going to get it in a second.
[00:31:43]  I'm reading this.
[00:31:43]  I'm like, this reads like they're filling in and responding to all of the attacks on the Capitol Police, the January 6th Fed's erection.
[00:31:52]  And there's no but to that.
[00:31:54]  It's just that's exactly what it reads like.
[00:31:57]  I believe, along with Larry Logan, that it was rogue elements of the CIA that perpetrated January 6th through DHS.
[00:32:05]  I can explain that all to you.
[00:32:06]  But I. That's why they're never going to let the whole truth come out.
[00:32:12]  Like, I think there were some rogue elements of the CIA that perpetrated January 6th and also the assassination temp on Donald Trump, if you want to be honest.
[00:32:20]  It was the same people.
[00:32:21]  Like, they never left and they left them in positions of power.
[00:32:24]  Then they took a shot at Trump.
[00:32:25]  And then I'm kind of rambling a little bit.
[00:32:27]  See if you want to.
[00:32:28]  No, I don't mind.
[00:32:29]  I'm just going to drive me crazy.
[00:32:30]  Claire Locke is the name of the firm.
[00:32:32]  Yes.
[00:32:32]  Chat.
[00:32:33]  Yeah, they got it a long time ago.
[00:32:35]  Thank you, Francis, over on vivabarnslaw.locals.com.
[00:32:38]  Okay, so now back to this video.
[00:32:40]  Which you only get to.
[00:32:42]  So, this video right here is, I'm sorry, real quick, just to set it up for you.
[00:32:46]  The MP right there, that's Lila Morris.
[00:32:48]  That's the police officer, D.C., Metro Police Officer, who has a stick in her hand right now.
[00:32:53]  This video is going to show her.
[00:32:54]  And that's me.
[00:32:55]  You see up there by the handrail with the blue jeans laying horizontally?
[00:32:58]  You'll see that that's me on the ground.
[00:33:00]  Roseanne's in front of me.
[00:33:01]  And then she attacks Roseanne and Luke Coffey with this stick.
[00:33:04]  You can hit play.
[00:33:05]  It's funny.
[00:33:05]  I'm just trying to find out who, not for any reason, just what Lila Morris looks like.
[00:33:10]  And what's amazing is I'm not getting.
[00:33:12]  Any very protected whenever she has gone to court in Luke Coffey's case, she gets the underground escort from Marshalls.
[00:33:19]  Nobody she's a young black woman, right?
[00:33:21]  I mean, that's yes, okay.
[00:33:22]  I'm just trying to make sure there is an image, there is an image that's going around that says it's her.
[00:33:27]  I believe she was a gay woman.
[00:33:28]  That image is not of her, that's an incorrect image.
[00:33:31]  No, I'm not sharing it.
[00:33:32]  I just want to make sure like I see a young black woman, I see a doctor.
[00:33:37]  I can explain her actions to a degree, too.
[00:33:40]  Uh, well, I'm sure it's chaos and panic.
[00:33:42]  I mean, I imagine.
[00:33:44]  More on a personal level for her, because I'm just being really honest, what I'm about to say, a lot of January 6thers might not want to hear.
[00:33:49]  But when she's standing in this line, and I've seen her entire time there, and this is kind of an argument against women being in positions of like police officers.
[00:34:00]  She's standing in the police officer behind her, is grabbing her by her dreadlocks and her jacket, and he's just doing this to her.
[00:34:05]  I don't know why.
[00:34:05]  I don't know what strategy that is to do that to a fellow police officer other than move her where she wants her.
[00:34:11]  But he kind of grabs her jacket from the back and he chokes her with it.
[00:34:15]  So she eventually falls down and she says she can't breathe.
[00:34:18]  That's why.
[00:34:19]  It's because the police officer behind her has choked her out and she falls down a little bit.
[00:34:23]  I also believe that one moment she looks over and she sees what she's done.
[00:34:27]  She realizes she just beat this woman that was lying on the ground unconscious.
[00:34:30]  And I believe that's where she makes the lie in her mind to start.
[00:34:34]  That's where I believe she says, I got to lie about this because I just killed a woman.
[00:34:38]  Let me, well, I want to know when they discover, when they realize that she was dead.
[00:34:43]  But so let me play this down and you'll walk us through it.
[00:34:46]  So NPD is Lila Morris.
[00:34:48]  Tommy, can you touch your leg?
[00:34:52]  Now, we'll get into the, not to say, not the forensics.
[00:34:54]  We'll get into the, you know, what the cause of death was and whether or not it was the stick versus being trampled.
[00:35:00]  I mean, I don't personally believe it was a.
[00:35:03]  It was a, I believe, well, before you play, I'll tell you.
[00:35:06]  Go ahead and play it, then I'll tell you.
[00:35:07]  Go ahead.
[00:35:08]  Okay.
[00:35:09]  And you can, and so this is you right here, if you can see my person.
[00:35:12]  Okay.
[00:35:14]  Do we see Jake Lang in this video?
[00:35:16]  Jake, not there yet.
[00:35:19]  He's in the crowd somewhere, but you can go down and come back up.
[00:35:23]  Yep.
[00:35:32]  That's Colt saying, quit trying to beat that girl.
[00:35:38]  Quit trying to beat that girl.
[00:35:39]  Luke Coffey, tell us who Luke Coffey is.
[00:35:41]  Luke Coffey has got his own story.
[00:35:43]  He actually works with Larry Lovey now out of Texas on the podcast.
[00:35:46]  He was an entertainerslash podcaster there that day, just an average citizen.
[00:35:50]  Okay.
[00:35:53]  And what are they saying?
[00:35:54]  I mean, I'm not sure it would be even more intelligible if it were louder.
[00:35:59]  What are they saying?
[00:36:00]  So, all I can make out there is Colt Maccabee saying, hey, stop trying to beat that.
[00:36:05]  Girl, he's trying to save Roseanne because he's seen her on the ground for a length of time now.
[00:36:10]  He's a police officer by training, right?
[00:36:13]  So, if I had time, so this is another angle of her.
[00:36:21]  Here, swinging the stick, both hands coming down with full force.
[00:36:25]  Yeah, and I presume, I mean, not to steal, man, for her.
[00:36:28]  She's who the hell even knows what she thinks that she's swinging at.
[00:36:33]  She might just be swinging at anything to try to.
[00:36:36]  I've spent many a night wondering that, and that's a question that only she can answer.
[00:36:40]  I kind of felt like she lost it, like she lost it and could hit anything that's around me.
[00:36:46]  So now, then you notice at some point Roseanne's bleeding from the mouth and nose.
[00:36:50]  You suspect it's because she got hit in the face with a pepper bowl, or?
[00:36:54]  Well, at that time, I had no idea.
[00:36:56]  I just assumed a stick hit her in the face or something.
[00:36:58]  I didn't.
[00:36:59]  I kept asking why she hit in the face because I didn't see anything happen to her.
[00:37:02]  You know what I mean?
[00:37:03]  I didn't see anything happen to her.
[00:37:05]  I just ended up at the bottom of a riot with her.
[00:37:07]  And I'm looking at her and she's bleeding.
[00:37:09]  That's just a woman bleeding.
[00:37:10]  And I will, I do want to add one thing, real quick, very important.
[00:37:13]  The reason I know in my heart that Roseanne Bowen was murdered by Lila Morris is I was beside that woman for seven minutes and she had this complexion, like a tan, like a really pretty complexion skin tone.
[00:37:26]  After she got hit in the head with that stick, within 60 seconds, she turns that awful purple color that you can see on the high-rib footage.
[00:37:33]  So I know, I know, I know that that cop murdered her.
[00:37:37]  And I know that's why one month later, They had her go into the Super Bowl as an MVP guest along with Michael Fanone and the other liar.
[00:37:47]  They, cynically enough, somebody at the DOJ or the Capitol Police saw and they realized, oh, she murdered that woman.
[00:37:55]  We have to give her cover.
[00:37:56]  We have to make her a hero.
[00:37:57]  Let's send her to the Super Bowl as a hero.
[00:38:00]  And she's kind of dumb, I think, like Harry Dunn.
[00:38:03]  And I think they try to give a lot of these cops media training, how to testify, how to answer questions and stuff.
[00:38:08]  And I think a couple of them just aren't that smart, like Harry Dunn.
[00:38:10]  And I think Lila Morris is one of them, which is why she gets the full.
[00:38:14]  Marshal escort underground into a courtroom where no journalist is ever going to ask her a question.

=== Medication and Homicide Claims (14:04) ===

[00:38:21]  I don't want to try to not push back on your words or to measure your words for you because she could have been hit in the head with a stick and died from being stamped, trampled, or hitting her head when she fell.
[00:38:33]  And you see Lila Moore swinging the stick.
[00:38:35]  It could have been a baton.
[00:38:36]  It could have been a number of other things.
[00:38:37]  But the bottom line is that's what happened.
[00:38:40]  She died.
[00:38:41]  It's quite clear it was a violent assault, one way or the other, set aside who you put the blame on.
[00:38:47]  You would consider it a homicide?
[00:38:48]  Would you consider it a homicide?
[00:38:50]  A homicide.
[00:38:50]  But it goes down as a drug overdose in the immediate aftermath reporting.
[00:38:56]  Because and the reason and the reason that's so extra insulting is she was a seven year sober uh drug counselor, I believe.
[00:39:03]  You know, she actually marked with BLM that year.
[00:39:06]  You know, it's crazy enough.
[00:39:07]  And uh, so I'm a recovering drug addict myself, and I know that once the person has done that impossible task of getting clean, like I can't think of a worse insult that they could put on that woman's birth certificate for the family.
[00:39:19]  She was, and this is again not just because it's facts, whether or not she was a recovering addict, the question is she was on allegedly, and I think it's not allegedly.
[00:39:28]  ADHD medication, whatever it is, and people get mixed up between amphetamines and methamphetamines, or there's a type of.
[00:39:35]  I don't know what's allowed when you're in recovery.
[00:39:38]  Are you allowed?
[00:39:39]  Is it part of the protocol?
[00:39:40]  It's actually each person's recovery as a kind of a personal thing.
[00:39:43]  Like if you're in recovery and you have to have a major surgery someday, you can't just not take the medicine, but you would hopefully be right with God, good enough to get through that spiritual.
[00:39:52]  No, because I can imagine, I've never been there, but I can imagine, you know, like it's if you've given up smoking and then I don't know under what circumstances you have to smoke to fake something and then you get like people with eating disorders.
[00:40:05]  It's like it's not like you can just swear off food forever.
[00:40:07]  You still have to deal with that stuff.
[00:40:09]  So she was on medication for ADHD.
[00:40:11]  That's an accepted fact.
[00:40:13]  It's not the same type of drug that she was alleged to have overdosed on.
[00:40:16]  You had no prior interaction with her, so you wouldn't have known if she was intoxicated or something.
[00:40:20]  Like we were at the, The Charlie Kirk Memorial in Arizona, and someone behind us.
[00:40:28]  No, I think I'm trying to think if it was an OD or hit his head.
[00:40:31]  I was somewhere where someone started ODing, and you wouldn't necessarily have known that they were even on drugs until the OD if you didn't interact with them, and even if you did.
[00:40:39]  So, you know, nobody can say what she was on beforehand, if anything.
[00:40:42]  But the bottom line is there is, as far as I understand, zero evidence that she was on any form of drug that contributed to her overdose.
[00:40:50]  They just spun up that.
[00:40:52]  It would have been impossible to overdose on the amount of medicine.
[00:40:55]  I forget the name of the drug.
[00:40:56]  But it's like two pills that she's been taking probably three times a day for 10 years or something.
[00:41:01]  I don't know.
[00:41:02]  I will say this real quick before.
[00:41:04]  So, the police officers who did try to work on her, you're going to see on the video, they botched it.
[00:41:08]  They did not know how to work the machine.
[00:41:11]  The woman, the police officer is literally saying, I don't know how to work it.
[00:41:13]  They actually broke it.
[00:41:15]  But, and then they actually do not keep the compressions on her the whole time that you're supposed to do.
[00:41:20]  I think that all contributed to her death.
[00:41:22]  But the federal EMTs, when they showed up, and I have all this footage, it's really, really hard to watch.
[00:41:28]  They work on her for 30 or so minutes and they do everything they could do to try to save her life.
[00:41:32]  And I believe the family even felt comforted to a degree once they saw the federal EMTs working on their daughter because they were trying to save her.
[00:41:39]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:41]  So I think it's Adderall, which is the amphetamine.
[00:41:43]  Adderall, yes.
[00:41:45]  And so she was on Adderall by all accounts and she dies, clearly a violent death.
[00:41:53]  If you think she spontaneously OD'd at that moment in time and she was trampled because she passed it, I'm just trying to make it.
[00:42:00]  Say when you say trampled, reason I smirk is I know all January 6th is listening to that, they smirk too because it's not like she was trampled.
[00:42:06]  Trampled makes it sound like she's about to pass off, everybody walks over her.
[00:42:10]  I know we were knocked down, and then we were had people thrown on us repeatedly over and over again, and they were hitting us and throwing CS gas on us.
[00:42:17]  So it's trampled, but I understand why people say it.
[00:42:20]  I mean, I see trampled visually.
[00:42:21]  I mean, I also think like hockey, not hockey, soccer games when they let too many people in, and then people get trampled or compressed.
[00:42:27]  Yeah, So that's sort of what I'm visualizing, but the bottom line is.
[00:42:31]  That happened.
[00:42:32]  It's on camera.
[00:42:33]  Whether or not someone's going to argue, she passed out first and that's why it happened.
[00:42:37]  Horse crap.
[00:42:38]  She dies.
[00:42:39]  You have your opinion as to who was the proximate cause of it.
[00:42:43]  Then it gets reported as a methamphetamine or a drug overdose.
[00:42:48]  When do you decide you're going on this?
[00:42:50]  I won't say crusade is not the right word, but this is a crusade.
[00:42:53]  It was a crusade.
[00:42:54]  And it was when I realized that they told everybody she died of a drug overdose.
[00:42:58]  That was the moment.
[00:43:00]  That was shortly thereafter.
[00:43:01]  That was within two weeks, right?
[00:43:03]  Or maybe a few months.
[00:43:04]  I say a couple months.
[00:43:05]  It seems like a couple, it could have been two weeks, a couple months, whatever.
[00:43:07]  But when I realized that they disgraced her memory, they already murdered her once.
[00:43:11]  I guess that wasn't enough.
[00:43:12]  So they had to do it again and murder her reputation when she's not here to take up for herself.
[00:43:16]  So I felt like I was saying earlier, try not to cry, but I felt like God put it upon me to tell her story.
[00:43:22]  And there was a time where I really hate these people, Viva.
[00:43:24]  I wanted bad things to happen to all these people.
[00:43:26]  Even standing on that corner with Mickey Widthawk watching people scream those horrible things to her for a year.
[00:43:31]  It was for a reason, and God's brought me through this.
[00:43:33]  Now I'm okay.
[00:43:34]  I'm okay with you guys deciding what happens to Lala Morris.
[00:43:37]  I just want my American brothers and sisters to know the truth and make a decision.
[00:43:42]  Because I suggest to you that if the government can get away with murdering a woman on the steps of the United States Capitol, there's nothing that they can't get away with.
[00:43:51]  And one of the people over in locals of our community says other footage clearly shows Morris striking Boylan repeatedly across the body and head with a big stick hard while Boylan was helpless on the ground.
[00:44:00]  No excuse.
[00:44:00]  Boylan was on prescription medication.
[00:44:03]  Overdose was a cover up excuse.
[00:44:05]  I remember that being.
[00:44:06]  I want to say within two weeks because, let me get this question.
[00:44:09]  Because what happened when they were doing the tally and they had to jack up the number as much as they could and undermine the other number.
[00:44:15]  So they were still going with the Brian Sicknick beaten to death by a group of pro Trump supporters.
[00:44:21]  And they say, well, five protesters died, two had medical emergencies, and one had an overdose.
[00:44:25]  And Ashley Babbitt, because that's the one they couldn't blame on.
[00:44:28]  The one that they didn't care about getting live streamed to the world, right?
[00:44:32]  It is.
[00:44:32]  Look, I know what I believe about all of this.
[00:44:36]  Much more, and it is a fed surrection, and it's not an insurrection, nor is it a riot that would have gotten to where it got, but for specific acts of provocation and overt violence to trigger a violent response from the crowd.
[00:44:51]  May I ask, how do you end up living with Roseanne's family?
[00:44:55]  Okay, so when I went home, I had actually dropped the telephone on the steps of the Capitol.
[00:45:01]  And then as I was laying there, I had my backpack and everything.
[00:45:05]  I had lost the phone that was actually in my hand when I got knocked down.
[00:45:08]  So, I figured it's just a matter of time before the feds come and arrest me.
[00:45:11]  I better learn as much about January 6th as I possibly can.
[00:45:14]  So, I do.
[00:45:15]  And I eventually realized through some video that Jake Lang was one of the people who helped save my life.
[00:45:22]  And I got in touch with the journalists who wrote a story about him.
[00:45:24]  They put me in touch with the Gateway Pundit.
[00:45:27]  And Jake Lang's father flew me to DC to sign an affidavit stating that his son helped save my life that day.
[00:45:32]  And I had stayed to cover Guy Reffitt's trial.
[00:45:36]  It just so happened to be the very first trial starting that week.
[00:45:39]  So I stayed and I covered and took notes for Kara Castronova and gave her the notes and she did the story.
[00:45:44]  And then whenever she got with Mickey Widthoff, Ashley Babbitt's mother, about a year later, wanted to do the vigil, whenever it was, Mickey had actually gotten roughed up by one of the guards the first night.
[00:45:54]  They put their hands on Mickey at that protest outside the jail.
[00:45:57]  And I'm a big 300 pound boy.
[00:45:59]  And Kara said, Well, why don't we call Tommy Tatum to come up here and keep an eye on him and be her bodyguard?
[00:46:03]  So that's how I came to live with Mickey Widthos.
[00:46:06]  So, and everybody who's watching now knows who Jake is because I've had him on a bunch of times.
[00:46:11]  Set aside what's happened, you know, the more recent adventures.
[00:46:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:14]  The Crusader stuff.
[00:46:16]  He's, you know, he told his story and he told it here when he was in jail.
[00:46:21]  And I remember him saying, You know, this bat manifested and he used it to beat off the police who were beating protesters.
[00:46:27]  And I remember there was a little bit of skepticism in the crowd.
[00:46:29]  Even some people saying he was out there looking for trouble.
[00:46:32]  It is interesting that people now can hear this corroborating story or the other side of the same story from you.
[00:46:38]  Guy Reffitt was the guy who brought a gun to the Capitol building, Capitol area.
[00:46:43]  He was turned in by his son who ratted him out to the FBI, for those who don't remember.
[00:46:48]  Reffitt was sentenced, I want to say, to seven years.
[00:46:52]  I think he had terrorist enhancements.
[00:46:54]  I'm not 100% sure.
[00:46:54]  Well, what they did was he had seven years, and after he had already gone through his trial when he was sitting in jail, they came back and wanted to hit him with a state charge for a silencer.
[00:47:03]  That he was tinkering around with in his garage that was inoperable.
[00:47:07]  And so, how so Gateway Pundit is one of the outlets that was covering this.
[00:47:12]  I think the Epoch Times was as well, but I might be missing one too.
[00:47:14]  Hanneman and then Baker.
[00:47:16]  Hanneman, I think, was at the Epoch Times before Baker was at the Blaze, but Hanneman did lots of really good reporting.
[00:47:22]  Even I think the family was happy with a lot of his reporting when it came to the autopsy because they found like a bruise on her shoulder that was unaccounted for.
[00:47:30]  I believe that was another pepper ball around that hit her, you know.
[00:47:34]  But Hanneman and Epoch Times did a lot of the heavy lifting for a long time.
[00:47:37]  And then the guys over at the Gateway Pundit, specifically Kara Castro Nova, when it comes to the story of Roseanne Bullin, did lots of great work.
[00:47:44]  Give me one second.
[00:47:45]  Just one second.
[00:47:51]  So, you guys can check out all my videos on my YouTube.
[00:47:55]  Sorry, I had a dog who wanted to leave.
[00:47:57]  Everyone in the chat's joking that I gotta get a little doggy door.
[00:48:01]  I like small town shows like this.
[00:48:03]  I always feel rushed, Dave.
[00:48:04]  I literally like the long form.
[00:48:05]  No, no, this I hate short form.
[00:48:08]  I only apologize to the audience sometimes.
[00:48:10]  I don't think or necessarily interview linearly, especially with stuff like this where you gotta go five years ahead to understand what happened four years back.
[00:48:19]  And now we're gonna get there.
[00:48:20]  How did you end up living with Roseanne's family?
[00:48:23]  So, oh, I didn't know Roseanne.
[00:48:24]  Do you mean Ashley Babbitt's family?
[00:48:26]  No, hold on one second.
[00:48:27]  So, whose family am I?
[00:48:28]  You're living with Ashley Babbitt's family at this time?
[00:48:30]  Ashley Babbitt's mother in DC when we're doing the vigil.
[00:48:33]  Oh, okay.
[00:48:34]  I had been processing Roseanne Boylan's mother at this time.
[00:48:36]  Okay.
[00:48:38]  I guess that makes a little more sense.
[00:48:40]  But then, how, why, and what happens in that entire process in as much as you feel comfortable talking about it?
[00:48:45]  So, I'll just tell you, like, I never have reported about living with my roommates.
[00:48:51]  Like, I like, for a ridiculous example, I don't think it's fair to report on my roommate.
[00:48:56]  How he cusses when he gets up in the night and stumps his toe on the table, like how he screams and cusses.
[00:49:01]  I quite frankly felt like it was the relationship I have with Mickey and the call.
[00:49:06]  And there's another woman there named Cammie who was the wife of another J6er.
[00:49:09]  I think it's sacred and it's holy, and I don't talk about it.
[00:49:12]  But there's plenty of things I can talk about because we hardly ever kept any secrets from each other or the public.
[00:49:17]  But I think God brought us together.
[00:49:20]  And we, at the time, the J6ers who were in jail felt like they were lost.
[00:49:26]  Mickey Widhoff said she felt like she had a dream from her daughter.
[00:49:29]  And she said her daughter was okay.
[00:49:31]  And then in that dream, she told Mickey, if I were still alive, I'd be in DC trying to get those guys out of jail.
[00:49:37]  So Mickey said she was in a six month stumper after she had lost her daughter.
[00:49:41]  She came to, and I guess she got in touch with Randy Ireland and Tara Castronova, who had a nonprofit against vaccines and stuff.
[00:49:50]  And they turned that into Citizens Against Political Persecution.
[00:49:55]  And then that's when they thought to call me.
[00:49:57]  And then I ended up living with her for a year and going to Congress, going to.
[00:50:02]  Meeting with people like Lauren Boebert, Marshall Taylor Greene.
[00:50:06]  We even met one day with Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, and a few other people.
[00:50:11]  And I did, I want to say this Thomas Massey's counsel, Marshall Yates, was one of the most knowledgeable people that I had come across in Congress about what happened on January 6th.
[00:50:21]  And in June of 23, I flew to DC and I gave him what's called the Massey Report, in which it shows how the police started the riot that day.
[00:50:29]  And it was kind of a game changer because later on that week, bigger podcasts like The War Room and stuff had their guests on, and it was the first week. that they ever admitted that the police started the violence that day.
[00:50:42]  I'm going to remind everyone while we still got everyone and we're on the landing page.
[00:50:45]  If you're watching Rumble on the landing page, click into it.
[00:50:47]  Make sure you subscribe, like.
[00:50:48]  I'm going to share your Twitter account again because I think everybody, a lot of people are meeting you for the first time today.
[00:50:54]  And it's amazing that we're five years out.
[00:50:58]  What are we now?
[00:50:59]  Five years out of January 6th.
[00:51:00]  I'm looking at the chat.
[00:51:01]  There's some people who said they've never even heard of Roseanne Boylan.
[00:51:04]  I know.
[00:51:04]  That's my mission in life, brother.
[00:51:06]  That's why I keep going.
[00:51:07]  So this is your account.
[00:51:09]  It's Ben Caxton.
[00:51:11]  So B E N K A X T O N, which I think has something to do with.
[00:51:16]  Ken Paxton?
[00:51:17]  No, no, no.
[00:51:18]  So, Ken Ben, it's an homage to my mentor who's dead now.
[00:51:22]  He was a really smart genius and he liked this book called A Stranger in a Strange Land, in which the main character was Ben Catston.
[00:51:28]  So he was an alien.
[00:51:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:51:31]  It's not a spoonerism.
[00:51:32]  I thought it was Ken Paxton, the sort of a spooner.
[00:51:34]  Well, with Jay Sisters, we had so many accounts banned.
[00:51:37]  I probably, that's probably my ninth account that we were being banned and this one stuck.
[00:51:41]  So I had to keep coming up with names from getting it.
[00:51:44]  May I ask what you're doing for a living now?
[00:51:46]  I'm still doing.
[00:51:48]  I'm actually kind of physically disabled.
[00:51:50]  I'm trying to get myself back physically okay.
[00:51:53]  I'm staying with another January 6th route in Montana, which is paradise.
[00:51:58]  It's heaven on earth, Dylan, Montana, which is at the end of Yellowstone.
[00:52:02]  Rip and his wife move here.
[00:52:04]  And there's actually another series on Amazon right now called The Madison, which has Kurt Russell and Michelle Pfeiffer in it, and it's set right here.
[00:52:10]  And really, I come from the Mississippi Delta, flatland wherever you look, and it's snow capped mountains wherever I look.
[00:52:16]  I'm staying with a really huge Patriot.
[00:52:18]  And, you know, God's never really planned things out for me.
[00:52:23]  For me, He never revealed things to me two, three, four years down the road.

=== Bomb Legislation and Arrests (13:40) ===

[00:52:26]  A lot of times it's two, three days ahead of the time.
[00:52:28]  I'm not married, don't have kids.
[00:52:30]  But I do feel like we're at the end to where something is going to happen for us good.
[00:52:36]  And then He'll release me from this calling.
[00:52:39]  And one of the reasons why I ask is how can people support what you're doing?
[00:52:42]  I don't know if you have a donation.
[00:52:45]  I have a link tree.
[00:52:46]  I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, oh, you could go to that Twitter account.
[00:52:50]  It's all listed right there.
[00:52:51]  I have.
[00:52:51]  Okay.
[00:52:52]  Yeah, have Gibson go, Twitter, I mean, all of it.
[00:52:56]  So now, how many trials did you testify in relating to Jan 6?
[00:53:02]  So I only testified in one in which I waived my Fifth Amendment right to do so.
[00:53:06]  But I covered, I didn't cover, but I attended probably dozens of other ones.
[00:53:11]  But it got to where I could not go anymore.
[00:53:14]  It was way too visceral for me.
[00:53:16]  Like sometimes I would be 15 feet away from the cops who were swinging sticks at me that day, you know?
[00:53:22]  So I did not want to do something that I would regret.
[00:53:25]  By getting too upset.
[00:53:26]  So I stopped going, but Nicole Reffitt, Mickey Witthoff, and Tammy Perryman, they went every day.
[00:53:32]  And so I have the details of hundreds of January 6th trials.
[00:53:36]  So that's how I have a little special insight when I start going through the footage.
[00:53:40]  I had the luxury of already spoken to the guy who lived it, and he told me what happened.
[00:53:45]  And I was able to go, oh, there it is in the footage.
[00:53:48]  You know what I mean?
[00:53:50]  You end up facing charges in 2024.
[00:53:53]  What did they charge you with, and how far did they get with the persecution before the party?
[00:54:00]  So, they, I had the same judge as Matthew Perna.
[00:54:04]  They hit me with the same four misdemeanors as everybody, but because I was not blatantly, you know, I'm not on film hitting cops and stuff, they could not give me an assault on a fellow police officer.
[00:54:15]  So, they gave me civil disorder, which is kind of an oxymoron.
[00:54:18]  How do you commit disorder civilly?
[00:54:21]  But a few months, and then this is the deal they did not want me to testify in trial because they knew how badly it went for them the first time.
[00:54:27]  So, they offered me eight months in jail.
[00:54:30]  You can go home on the weekends.
[00:54:33]  And I turn that down, and then they supersede me with a 20 year felony for assaulting the federal police officer.
[00:54:38]  Mother, I will not swear to the religious men.
[00:54:42]  This is Mother Cabree.
[00:54:45]  This sounds exactly like what they're doing with Brian Cole Jr.
[00:54:50]  You defend against the lower charge, superseding indictment with terrorism enhancements, whatever.
[00:54:55]  You plead, you're going to contest their lower charge.
[00:54:57]  So they slap you with something even more serious and say, in Stewie's voice, what did you learn?
[00:55:02]  Are you going to plead now?
[00:55:03]  And it never got to trial.
[00:55:05]  I was watching an interview yesterday with Stuart, and he's one of the smarter men I knew.
[00:55:09]  And he's absolutely right.
[00:55:10]  The entire system's corrupt.
[00:55:12]  The irony of me having to commit perjury to take a plea deal.
[00:55:16]  I mean, I didn't.
[00:55:16]  I'm just talking about generally these guys.
[00:55:18]  You have to commit perjury and say you didn't do something that you, you know what I mean?
[00:55:21]  Because this is just.
[00:55:23]  No, it's one of.
[00:55:25]  There's a number of things I remember from now what's going on 10 years of internet life when I had James O'Keefe on the first time.
[00:55:31]  And we're talking about him having pleaded guilty back when I forget even what the charge was, but it was.
[00:55:37]  Years ago, and he pleaded guilty.
[00:55:39]  He said it was the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life, bearing false witness to myself.
[00:55:43]  I don't know if I could live with myself.
[00:55:46]  I thought about it a lot, obviously, as you can think a man would.
[00:55:49]  I don't think I could have lived with myself if I did that.
[00:55:53]  I mean, not to sound overdramatic, but.
[00:55:58]  And this is also not to be judgmental of anybody who did it.
[00:56:03]  I understand why men made it.
[00:56:04]  Sometimes men had a little kid at home, there was a pervert down the street, and they had to get home to that wife and To protect that family, so they had to do something that they did not want to do.
[00:56:14]  So, yeah, life is like.
[00:56:16]  I took flack even for not defending, but saying, when Jenna Ellis pleaded in the Georgia case and everyone's jumping down her throat, and like, but for the grace of God, none of us have been in that situation.
[00:56:27]  The problem with some of these people doing it is that it then is used as ammo for others to say, look who pleaded guilty.
[00:56:34]  This was, in fact, an insurrection.
[00:56:36]  People are pleading left, right, and center to all sorts of charges because this corrupt federal system, which had a 100% conviction rate, When jury trials against Jan Sixers, 98% with judges, says, We are going to lock you up for 10 to 20 years.
[00:56:49]  Look what we did to the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.
[00:56:51]  Plead guilty to something else, lower.
[00:56:53]  We'll let you go after torturing you for a little bit.
[00:56:55]  You'll say, I love Big Brother.
[00:56:57]  And we get to use your guilty plea to continue to promote this narrative.
[00:57:01]  And especially the guys who went early on, the defendants who went early on, nobody knew what to expect.
[00:57:07]  You know, like you had no idea.
[00:57:08]  So if you're one of those early guys, there's 30 years hanging over my head.
[00:57:12]  There's no reason to believe Donald Trump's even going to run for president again.
[00:57:15]  You know what I mean?
[00:57:16]  Like, what would you do?
[00:57:17]  You know, like, so yeah, that's it.
[00:57:20]  I spend zero time worrying about the guys who pled guilty, other than the ones I think may have been feds.
[00:57:27]  Do I ask?
[00:57:28]  No, no, it was not.
[00:57:30]  The names I'm thinking right now wouldn't be names anybody would recognize.
[00:57:33]  You know, I think a lot of the troublemakers there that day, I do think it was Antifa types.
[00:57:38]  I think maybe they got arrested, you know, during the Summer of Love and were told, you know, if you go to the Capitol and you do this, that, the other, cause some problems, maybe you don't do 10 years.
[00:57:47]  Maybe you do two years instead.
[00:57:49]  Do you think Nick Fuentes is a Fed?
[00:57:51]  I've heard this.
[00:57:52]  Absolutely.
[00:57:53]  Absolutely.
[00:57:54]  He is there screaming some more of the more outlandish stuff.
[00:57:58]  I'm paraphrasing from memory, but it's to the equivalent of go in there and take over the Capitol building, you know, over and over and over again.
[00:58:07]  His big story was he had $500,000 confiscated from him, and then he went on to have the best four years of his life, I think.
[00:58:17]  Ask another obvious one Ray Epps.
[00:58:20]  Oh, so, you know, I know Ray Ups' daughter.
[00:58:23]  I made friends with Ray Ups' daughter.
[00:58:25]  And she tells, I think Ray Ups, this is me speculating, everybody.
[00:58:29]  I don't know this for a fact.
[00:58:30]  I can tell you what I know about Ray Ups, but I know Ray Ups was very concerned about a pipe bomb going off on January 6th.
[00:58:35]  Ryan Sampson will tell you that while all the chaos is going on, Ray Ups is going around talking about a bomb, a bomb, a bomb.
[00:58:42]  He was even talking about a bomb with his interview with the FBI, in which he says, I was worried about a pipe bomb or a bomb going off on one of the side streets that day.
[00:58:52]  But I believe the reason he was there, and his daughter says he's too stupid to be like an operative.
[00:58:57]  Now, she said if somebody paid him to be there, he'd be there.
[00:59:00]  If he had some other reason to be there, like he's being forced to.
[00:59:02]  But I think Ray Ups, because he was an oathkeeper, he was in that gun club culture.
[00:59:10]  Very briefly, from what I understood, in the comments.
[00:59:13]  This is not dispersing the oathkeepers, but these feds target those types, right?
[00:59:18]  I believe Ray Ups got caught running guns across the border, which is why he was forced to do what he was doing.
[00:59:23]  His daughter seems to remember going across that Mexican border quite a lot when she was a little kid.
[00:59:27]  It's like, it's also not often five years out that I think I hear something for the first time.
[00:59:35]  I don't remember hearing that Ray Epps was talking about how he was worried about a pipe bomb going off.
[00:59:40]  This is AI overview, but at least I'm just checking because that struck the core of my ear.
[00:59:44]  Ray Epps told the FBI that he was worried about a potential bomb attack on January 6th and that he feared a calamity or an explosion might occur on the side streets near the US Capitol, according to documents from his interviews.
[00:59:54]  Based on FBI interviews and reported testimony, fear of explosion.
[00:59:57]  Epps claims he began getting a bad feeling in the weeks leading up to January 6th.
[01:00:01]  I was afraid they were going to set off an explosion on one of the side streets.
[01:00:05]  Yep.
[01:00:05]  Imagine that.
[01:00:06]  What are the odds?
[01:00:07]  I'll give you what the odds are.
[01:00:09]  No.
[01:00:12]  I thought he was a Fed, you know, just because he didn't get arrested.
[01:00:14]  He was on the FBI's list.
[01:00:15]  They take him off.
[01:00:16]  He escapes scot free for three years.
[01:00:18]  When it finally catches up with him, they charge him with a bullshit misdemeanor and give him probation when people who did the exact same thing as him ended up in jail for years.
[01:00:26]  That was all I thought I knew to declare that I believe he's a Fed.
[01:00:30]  No.
[01:00:30]  There's another, like, we could call it a third party because I did some work with some Congress people.
[01:00:35]  And, uh, They had noticed things in the footage that I hadn't even noticed, and they had their own questions.
[01:00:42]  I've been asked not to share those things now.
[01:00:44]  But, like, so I'll tell you what I think happened, okay?
[01:00:49]  That's what I think.
[01:00:51]  I don't think the people who planned January 6th ever expected the cops to start a riot on the West Plaza.
[01:00:57]  This is my theory.
[01:00:58]  I think they expected those U.S. Capitol police officers who were lay down Larry's just to lay down like they did, and everybody walk over them, surround the Capitol, At some point, you make entry.
[01:01:09]  You break a window, you drop a gun in, because I have that on video happening, and then you run in.
[01:01:14]  I don't think, and I'm getting to a point, I don't think the people who planned January 6 expected the cops to start a riot on the West Plaza, which is why Ray Ups is standing around for half an hour like he's confused and doesn't know what to do yet.
[01:01:27]  But as soon as, and I was telling you earlier about one of the worst agitators there that day with his father, his name is Rotten Olive.
[01:01:33]  As soon as that line falls, right about the time that officer fires that 40 millimeter CS gas canister that ricochets back, And causes the entire police line to fall.
[01:01:44]  The other agitators take advantage of that, and that's when the entire line falls, and everybody basically goes up into the Capitol.
[01:01:51]  As soon as that happens, red smoke is popped, and Ray Epps leaves with four guys in front of him and four guys behind him, stacked out.
[01:02:00]  Op over.
[01:02:00]  My op was to get, I think Ray Epps' op was to facilitate entry into the Capitol.
[01:02:08]  And then I think it was another team.
[01:02:10]  Like the cops that were already inside the Capitol, according to Congressman Clay, was his name, Thompson?
[01:02:17]  Not Clay Thompson.
[01:02:18]  The guy from Clay Higgins.
[01:02:20]  He says there's already Capitol police officers inside dressed up like Trump supporters.
[01:02:26]  And they were there to lead everybody else where to go.
[01:02:29]  I don't want to get political.
[01:02:32]  I'm going to ask, it's not even a loaded question.
[01:02:34]  It's the obvious question.
[01:02:36]  How many people that you came across during this five year persecution, when you're going to these trials, DOJ, FBI players, bad faith prosecutors, how many are still there?
[01:02:45]  How many were fired?
[01:02:48]  I know that my little prosecutor got fired, the little Nazi, but I don't know.
[01:02:53]  I'll put it like this I don't think very many of the ones with power, like Jocelyn Ballantine, got fired.
[01:03:01]  Like Stanley, there were a few other ones that were really movers and shakers.
[01:03:05]  And I think they didn't have too much of a problem firing the DOJ prosecutors that had been there two years or six months.
[01:03:12]  So I don't know what that number was.
[01:03:13]  I have seen a significant amount of them on Twitter crying about it.
[01:03:17]  Thank God.
[01:03:18]  It was the most beautiful tears I ever saw.
[01:03:20]  I wish I could have bottled them and drank them.
[01:03:22]  But I don't know the answer to the question, I guess.
[01:03:25]  All right.
[01:03:26]  And then the second question is this without getting into the discussions or the names, you've been in touch with.
[01:03:30]  Politicians, people, you know, government people who are on the Capitol in government right now.
[01:03:36]  And your impression is that we're never going to get full disclosure of this because of who it would implicate.
[01:03:43]  I think it would, this is going to sound hyperbolic.
[01:03:47]  I think if the truth really came out, it would frighten every American citizen so hard that they would never trust their government again.
[01:03:53]  They might not get up and go to work no more.
[01:03:57]  They might want to move out in the middle of Montana somewhere where they don't have to be in contact with these other.
[01:04:02]  Human beings.
[01:04:03]  But even then, if you're a Randy Weaver, they might just shoot your wife to find a hand on your baby.
[01:04:06]  I was going to say, like, not, not, I didn't want to sound funny.
[01:04:09]  Like, oh, yeah, or they'll pull a Waco or they'll pull a, they'll pull a Ruby Ridge or, you know, you can never, you can never get far away enough from the government.
[01:04:16]  And I will tell you this a lot of us January 6thers don't feel safe today because we're worried about what's going to happen when the Democrats take power again.
[01:04:24]  Do you have any good reasons as to why you think the current, I mean, I guess you answered it, why the current admin, you know, the pardon, it was a blessing.
[01:04:33]  It saved 1,600 people's lives.
[01:04:36]  There has been zero accountability, retribution, justice for those who ruined those 1,600 people's lives and the dozen that took their own lives.
[01:04:46]  And we're fast running out of time where if it's not going to happen, it's never going to happen.
[01:04:51]  And when they come back in, to me, it feels like it's going to be even worse to make sure you almost got away with it.
[01:04:56]  We're sorry, you almost caught us this time.
[01:04:57]  We're going to make sure you never get that close ever again.
[01:05:01]  Yes.
[01:05:02]  Excuse me.
[01:05:04]  I had wrote a piece of legislation.
[01:05:05]  It's called the Roseanne Bullion Act.
[01:05:07]  It's on my Substack.
[01:05:08]  And it argues that there needs to be federal legislation to protect us and our children and our prodigy forever because these Democrats are evil and they're not going to just let it go.
[01:05:16]  And they, let's say they don't torture me the rest of my life.
[01:05:19]  I have a child and they're going to make sure that kid never gets a job or yada, yada, yada.
[01:05:24]  I think we need to have federal protections.
[01:05:27]  And I think that's going to take an act of Congress.
[01:05:29]  I know that there were a couple judgments where the cops, where the judge gave back the defendants some amount of money, two or three of them.
[01:05:36]  But there really is no mechanism for the government to give you money unless there's some kind of legislation, is it not?
[01:05:44]  Do that.
[01:05:44]  I would have to.
[01:05:46]  Yeah, it's convoluted.
[01:05:47]  I would have to look at that before even venturing an answer, but it's.
[01:05:52]  We're going to.
[01:05:53]  You have a few more minutes?
[01:05:54]  Yeah, I have.
[01:05:55]  Listen, I can come back on other days too, because I could talk about January 6th for weeks and weeks.
[01:06:01]  I wanted to get the Roseanne Boylan story out.
[01:06:04]  I'm going to clip this and put it on Com YouTube as well.

=== Chris Martinson Family Raid (04:13) ===

[01:06:07]  And the bottom line Roseanne Boylan's family publicly asserts that she did not die of an overdose.
[01:06:12]  Is there any updates, or is that just a case closed and nobody's even looking into it anymore at this point?
[01:06:18]  So, I actually, one of Roseanne's sister years ago contacted me on Twitter.
[01:06:26]  She saw us talking about it.
[01:06:28]  And she was like, My sister died with you people.
[01:06:31]  Can you tell me what happened?
[01:06:32]  So I kind of told her that I was with her daughter and I was playing with her.
[01:06:36]  I know that they were kind of a private family.
[01:06:38]  I know they're kind of reserved.
[01:06:40]  I know that the way that their daughter's death was presented to them was horrible, which is your insurrectionist daughter got killed here in D.C. It'll cost you $10,000 to fly her back because of COVID, or you can.
[01:06:51]  Burn up the evidence, which is what we really want you to do.
[01:06:56]  So I think they were in shock.
[01:06:57]  And quite honestly, they had a brother in law.
[01:07:00]  They had the husband to this woman I was just talking about, to Roseanne's sister, was friends with some guy on MSNBC.
[01:07:06]  And within 24 hours, he was all over the airwaves talking about how it was Donald Trump's fault.
[01:07:11]  He quite literally was standing on the body of his dead sister in law for fame.
[01:07:16]  So I think the family didn't know what to do.
[01:07:19]  And I know Larry Logan became friends with her and worked with her a lot of the stuff.
[01:07:23]  And I know that Larry Logan was able to have conversations with them.
[01:07:26]  I don't know if those are interviews.
[01:07:27]  I don't know if we'll ever see them, but that's kind of where it's at, as far as I know.
[01:07:33]  I think that the family wants the designation on the birth certificate to read anything other than overdose.
[01:07:42]  Yeah.
[01:07:42]  Yeah.
[01:07:44]  Let me do one thing.
[01:07:45]  We're going to go raid into Redacted.
[01:07:46]  We're going to have our locals and Rumble Premium only after show where we're going to get some QA in, but I want to make sure that I didn't miss anything here.
[01:07:54]  And I'm going to bring in.
[01:07:56]  Tell everybody again where they can find you because once we raid, the crowd goes over to the next channel.
[01:08:01]  So, my best place to check my work is at Ben Caxton on Twitter or Tommy Tatum News.
[01:08:07]  Tommy Tatum News on YouTube, Ben Caxton on Twitter.
[01:08:10]  That's your deal.
[01:08:11]  And all my work is there for free.
[01:08:14]  Okay, amazing.
[01:08:15]  And I'm going to read these two chats, which came in from Rumble Rants, which came in from King of Biltong.
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[01:08:30]  King of Biltong says Neurodivergent was caught on video sitting on.
[01:08:35]  Okay, I'm sorry.
[01:08:36]  Contexting.
[01:08:38]  That's one of my Antifa haters.
[01:08:39]  No, no, no.
[01:08:41]  This guy, he's always making jokes about it's cross promoting.
[01:08:46]  There's a very specific insult my Antifa haters like to make, and that sounded like that.
[01:08:49]  No, no, this guy's always on there making these jokes, but it's inappropriate this time, dominant one.
[01:08:55]  It's okay.
[01:08:57]  Now, I was going to go in here.
[01:08:58]  I'm going to get redacted, and we're going to go raid into them.
[01:09:01]  And his show says Countdown to War, final hours before Trump's ceasefires end with John Mearsheimer.
[01:09:06]  Okay, that's going to be interesting.
[01:09:07]  All right, go raid.
[01:09:08]  Everyone's going to check.
[01:09:09]  Oh, CanCon just raided our stream.
[01:09:11]  Well, CanCon's stream is going to get raided into.
[01:09:13]  I like CanCon.
[01:09:14]  It's amazing.
[01:09:15]  It's amazing.
[01:09:16]  What I love is we've met a number of great people.
[01:09:20]  Throughout this entire January 6th, you know, sub caveat of stories, not all of them get along with each other, and I don't particularly care about that.
[01:09:29]  I have managed nonetheless to get along with all of them, with the exception, well, there's a few exceptions.
[01:09:34]  No, I get along with everybody.
[01:09:35]  What about you and Julie Kelly?
[01:09:37]  I see, I made amends with Julie Kelly, you know, but I don't.
[01:09:40]  I wouldn't say I'm not friends with her, but I do communicate.
[01:09:46]  We had a fight, and it was the weirdest fight on earth, but I don't care to hold grudges.
[01:09:50]  I don't care to fight with people.
[01:09:51]  I think we made amends, but I don't think I'll be getting.
[01:09:54]  Invitations to Christmas parties.
[01:09:56]  So hold on.
[01:09:56]  Now we're going to go update our stream and we're going to Rumble Premium via locals.
[01:10:00]  I've got more questions for you and there's going to be some more specific discussion.
[01:10:03]  So, everybody, if you're not coming over, see you tomorrow.
[01:10:06]  Oh, tomorrow we have on Chris Martinson.
[01:10:09]  We'll see if we can avoid talking about the Tyler Robinson stuff because we're going to talk about oil prices.
[01:10:13]  But you know who Chris Martinson is?
[01:10:15]  Yep.
[01:10:16]  It's going to be a good show.
[01:10:17]  I like Chris.
[01:10:18]  Also, I get along with Chris even though I disagree with him.
[01:10:20]  Okay, on some issues.