Viva & Barnes - Megyn Kelly SPIKES Jan. 6 Pipe Bomb Interview with Journalist Steve Baker? Live with Steve!
Aired: 2026-04-08
Duration: 01:09:29


=== Integrity vs Internet Accusations (07:35) ===

[00:00:00]  To start today's show, Viva will be reading Viva's own tweets and an exchange he had with one named 279er to illustrate what it's like dealing with people on the internet.
[00:00:11]  Viva tweets Steve Baker will be coming on this afternoon to discuss the most recent developments.
[00:00:16]  We will reenact his interview with Megyn Kelly.
[00:00:17]  I will play the role of Megyn, off to the thrift store to buy a blonde wig.
[00:00:21]  1500 on Rumble.
[00:00:22]  To which 279er, I'm going to bring myself in right now just to express the frustration, by the way.
[00:00:28]  I consider myself to be reasonably intellectually honest, totally transparent, totally ethical.
[00:00:34]  To a flaw.
[00:00:36]  I try to treat people fairly and I expect people to try to treat me fairly, but it's the internet, so I don't actually expect anybody to do that.
[00:00:42]  279er writes The most recent developments are that he has no evidence.
[00:00:46]  That's an interesting deduction from Megyn Kelly spiking the interview, which we're basically going to try to reenact right now.
[00:00:52]  Maybe the Canadian courts allow hearsay and supposition.
[00:00:55]  Oh, there's the Canadian thing.
[00:00:57]  Why don't you call me a Jew while you're at it?
[00:00:58]  Because that's the level of stupidity that people like this engage in.
[00:01:02]  Just maybe midges like you.
[00:01:04]  I have no problem being called a midget or a Canadian for that matter.
[00:01:07]  Maybe the Canadian courts allow hearsay and supposition, but this is the United States of America.
[00:01:11]  I could give you questions to ask him, but you won't do that.
[00:01:14]  You need clicks instead of the truth.
[00:01:17]  I'd be like, all right, maybe the guy's not an ass.
[00:01:20]  Maybe he just doesn't know how to behave himself.
[00:01:22]  I always welcome questions from the audience.
[00:01:23]  It makes it more difficult to accommodate people when they act like a total ass for no reason, but I'll still accommodate.
[00:01:28]  Get your questions in below and I'll ask them.
[00:01:30]  Well, moving target people.
[00:01:32]  When I asked, when I questioned his evidence, he blocked me.
[00:01:34]  Good, I'm not talking about Steve now.
[00:01:36]  I'm asking you, you jackass.
[00:01:38]  You came out, you called me a Canadian who's apparently not interested in the truth, but clicks.
[00:01:42]  You made accusations about my integrity.
[00:01:44]  Get your question in.
[00:01:45]  No.
[00:01:46]  Well, he questioned.
[00:01:46]  I can tell.
[00:01:47]  I can tell that myself and others on here are trying to follow his evidence as well, but keep turning into dead ends.
[00:01:52]  At some point, there has to be more than hearsay and supposition.
[00:01:55]  Grainy videos are not going to cut it.
[00:01:56]  What's the question you would like me to ask him?
[00:01:58]  I'm a little more polite than this guy.
[00:02:01]  Well, first off, he has to stop being the middleman.
[00:02:03]  There aren't any direct questions to ask him because he's not the guy that would be on the stand.
[00:02:08]  Do you understand?
[00:02:08]  This guy started off by saying, I won't ask questions because I lack the integrity to properly grill someone that I bring on my channel for an interview.
[00:02:14]  Oh, what are your questions?
[00:02:15]  Well, I don't really have any, unfortunately.
[00:02:16]  I just wanted to call you a Canadian schnook who's not interested in the truth and clickbait jackass.
[00:02:21]  They don't allow someone else to get up here and say, yada, yada, yada.
[00:02:24]  So you have no questions.
[00:02:25]  After insulting me, attacking my integrity, suggesting I would not ask him certain questions, you actually don't have a single concrete question to propose.
[00:02:31]  Wow, it's three o'clock.
[00:02:33]  I'm still waiting.
[00:02:34]  Well, we're waiting.
[00:02:37]  This is what it's like.
[00:02:38]  You deal with people.
[00:02:39]  I mean, you should obviously operate on the basis that nobody on the internet is operating in good faith unless you know who they are, that they're real people.
[00:02:46]  And that they're not real people who are also assholes in real life, which is a lot of people.
[00:02:51]  It's very frustrating.
[00:02:54]  And I consider myself to be a good guy, a nice guy, but open, honest, transparent, and integrity.
[00:02:59]  I don't want to make mistakes.
[00:03:01]  I don't want to be unfair with people.
[00:03:02]  I don't want to be unfairly unfair with people.
[00:03:04]  It's good to be unfair with people when they prove themselves to be asses.
[00:03:08]  But the deep thought I had of the day is the good guy tends to lose because the bad guy fights as hard, if not harder, and they don't play by any rules.
[00:03:20]  That was my deep thought of the day.
[00:03:21]  I was going to start off with the clip of Alex Jones and Robert Barnes, which has gone viral only among a group of zealot idiots on the internet who now think it's somehow, somehow, like the Groypers, by the way, who infiltrated and harassed any video that I put out there with the words Islamofascism after Robert Barnes had his interview with Nick Fuentes.
[00:03:42]  You jackasses don't even realize that you look like jackasses harassing, invading.
[00:03:47]  You're going to disavow Robert Barnes now?
[00:03:49]  I was going to start with that clip, but I'm not even sure I want to breathe oxygen into that stupidity.
[00:03:54]  But if you find yourself following somebody else, telling them that they need to disavow their friends and family, harassing them in every comment section, you might be the lefty people.
[00:04:06]  You might want to look in the mirror and say, Oh, I am the asshole.
[00:04:10]  Well, with that said, everybody, Steve Baker's in the backdrop, and we're going to get into why his interview with Megyn Kelly was spiked.
[00:04:16]  Now, again, I'm a fair person.
[00:04:19]  I don't like being an asshole when it's not warranted.
[00:04:22]  And I like Megyn Kelly, and I've defended Megyn Kelly when she was taking.
[00:04:27]  Proverbial and literal shit from the so called conservative right for not publicly disavowing Candace Owens and not publicly disavowing Tucker Carlson.
[00:04:36]  Like you are all purity test, litmus test, cancel culture, so called conservatives on the right engaging in the exact same cancel culture, zealot behavior as the idiots on the left.
[00:04:47]  I like Megyn Kelly.
[00:04:49]  I'm very, very curious as to what happened.
[00:04:51]  Maybe she'll mention it, but I suspect she will not be able to explain why it is that she conducted a thorough, Two plus hour interview with Steve Baker last week.
[00:04:59]  It was supposed to air live, as far as I understood.
[00:05:01]  Then it was supposed to air the next day.
[00:05:02]  Then they were, you know, I guess running it by legal.
[00:05:05]  And today the announcement is they're not airing it.
[00:05:08]  Steve, you want to come in?
[00:05:10]  We're going to talk about it.
[00:05:11]  Oh, and I want to play that song.
[00:05:13]  All right, here we are.
[00:05:14]  Here we are.
[00:05:14]  Sir, how goes the battle?
[00:05:16]  Well, every day's a new day.
[00:05:18]  It's fun.
[00:05:19]  I, you know, I'm enjoying it actually.
[00:05:23]  If I'm being completely honest with you, I'm actually enjoying this because Well, just let's go back to our 279 guy, whatever.
[00:05:32]  You know, I rarely block people.
[00:05:34]  Okay.
[00:05:35]  I block people who are vulgar, who are just mean to me, you know, make no sense whatsoever.
[00:05:41]  After you've listened to them cuss you out two or three times or read them, cuss you out.
[00:05:45]  I just, I don't need that kind of person in my life, even online.
[00:05:50]  And 279er, I entertained him for quite a number of weeks, maybe even months.
[00:05:57]  But let's be honest, he's an anonymous person.
[00:06:00]  Guy, he's an Anon.
[00:06:02]  He doesn't use his face.
[00:06:03]  He doesn't use his real name.
[00:06:05]  He claims to be a former FBI agent, which we affectionately refer to as the former agents group or the fags.
[00:06:14]  And then these guys, all of them, all of the fags demand that I answer them online.
[00:06:21]  I just got my voice back, for God's sake.
[00:06:24]  I've been muzzled for five months on this story.
[00:06:28]  And it's like, back off.
[00:06:30]  I'll get to that question and that story in my time.
[00:06:35]  Myself, when I say my time, my team's time.
[00:06:37]  When we get ready to answer those questions and go forward with those specific details of this story that we've been tracking for so long, we, we will write about it.
[00:06:48]  What's also not just anon, but not even a blue check mark, not in the sense that that's any sense of relevance, but not even registered to Twitter.
[00:06:56]  And I don't take anybody seriously in that sense on the internet, even if they have a blue check mark.
[00:07:02]  But what really irritates me, like I say, being cynical is one thing, but getting jaded is another.
[00:07:07]  The level of entitlement that people on the internet have, like you have, I don't know, 700,000 so called followers, you get a lot of comments, you get a lot of shit, and they ask a question and then deduct negative inference because you didn't answer that one particular question.
[00:07:21]  From one of the 750,000 followers that you've got on this platform within five minutes.
[00:07:26]  Now, it's far different than when I take the time to actually engage in it with someone who's making an accusation about my integrity.
[00:07:32]  Like, ask him whatever, get whatever question you want me to ask Steve.

=== Lawsuits and Retractions Explained (14:52) ===

[00:07:36]  To the extent it's not sex related or organ related, I'll ask it.
[00:07:39]  In fact, I'm going to hopefully ask all the questions and give you as hard of a time as anybody else when you're telling your story because I abide by the principle, les absents ont toujours tort.
[00:07:47]  Those who are not there need the biggest defense.
[00:07:49]  Now, Steve, you got, you got, not to start off on a bad foot.
[00:07:53]  You got fired from the blaze.
[00:07:55]  Yeah, I did, technically.
[00:07:58]  And you can ask what technically means in this context.
[00:08:02]  Well, I'm going to.
[00:08:03]  Did they issue you a termination letter?
[00:08:05]  Yes, I got a termination letter, got a termination notice exactly one week ago today.
[00:08:11]  I was notified at 9 30 last Wednesday morning that I was terminated.
[00:08:16]  Now, I had known for a week that I had put myself in a position to get terminated.
[00:08:24]  I had forced the termination.
[00:08:27]  Option upon them.
[00:08:29]  I certainly gave them the option to go a different direction if they wanted to, but I had reached an impasse with the management at the Blaze over this story related to one who I previously was not allowed to utter her name, but Shawnee Kirkhoff.
[00:08:46]  And I was no longer willing to conform to the legal advice and direction that they were taking.
[00:08:56]  And so According to them, I went rogue.
[00:09:00]  And technically, I did.
[00:09:01]  I no longer took their attorneys and ostensibly my attorneys' advice on how to handle that situation and force them into having to make the choice of terminating me.
[00:09:14]  And part of that choice was a week before.
[00:09:18]  And you know the backstory on this because you actually were part of the connection that I made to Megyn Kelly.
[00:09:27]  And so one week before my termination, I had notified Blaze Legal that I had an invitation to speak on or to be interviewed by Megan Kelly.
[00:09:38]  And they immediately went into panic mode and denied me.
[00:09:41]  And, you know, in the strongest possible language, the attorney said, You can't do that.
[00:09:46]  And I went, Yeah, I can.
[00:09:49]  I will.
[00:09:50]  You know, it's amazing.
[00:09:51]  I also, jokes that I make publicly, I would make privately, and I will make this one or would make this one with Megan Kelly.
[00:09:57]  You know, the fact that they conducted this interview, and you're going to get into the extent of it, it caused a problem with you at the Blaze.
[00:10:04]  Megyn Kelly's already sort of, you know, public enemy number one on the so called MAGA right.
[00:10:10]  You know, she hasn't disavowed Tucker Carlson.
[00:10:13]  She hasn't disavowed Candace Owens.
[00:10:15]  So she's already sort of persona non grata on that side.
[00:10:17]  And that's like, by having done this, she's going to piss off the very same people who were defending her all along in this, you know, relentless attack for her not disavowing her relations with, with, You know, the people now that are being called traitors and whatever.
[00:10:31]  So, you announced to the Blaze that you're going to be doing this interview with Megyn Kelly.
[00:10:36]  I'm going to get back to some of the back and forth with that guy, I forget his name now, who tried to offer an explanation that you parted ways because you no longer wanted to submit to editorial standards.
[00:10:46]  Right.
[00:10:47]  They had, I joke that they sort of tried to go on the route of constructive dismissal by changing your terms of employment, by saying you can't do certain things that you were otherwise able to do, you can't speak on certain subjects, and they wanted you to quit so they didn't have to fire you.
[00:11:00]  And when that didn't work, they fired you.
[00:11:01]  But they told you that going on with Megyn Kelly would somehow be intolerable and that you'd get fired if you did it?
[00:11:09]  Yeah, they wanted me to turn that interview down, turn that request down.
[00:11:14]  And it had nothing to do with her being now such a lightning rod, controversial figure, all caught up.
[00:11:21]  And as you mentioned earlier, this purity test, cancel culture issues that are going on in the right side of our political spectrum right now had nothing to do with any of that because I don't get involved with that crap anyway.
[00:11:32]  And I had no intention of talking to her about any of that crap anyway.
[00:11:35]  She wanted to interview me about my story.
[00:11:37]  And so that was where we were headed.
[00:11:39]  And so not only was I told that I could not do that show or that I was advised strongly not to do that in order to maintain my employment, but they also wanted me to go on to X and delete some comments that I had made in comment sections about, hey, I never retracted that story.
[00:12:00]  And I didn't.
[00:12:01]  I never retracted.
[00:12:02]  They retracted that story on their own without consulting me and without my.
[00:12:07]  permission or acquiescence to that.
[00:12:09]  And just to fill everybody in who might not be aware, you run the story November 6 or November 8th?
[00:12:16]  November 8th.
[00:12:17]  After it's gotten thorough review from legal at the Blaze, correct?
[00:12:20]  That's correct.
[00:12:21]  It went through four or five layers of editorial review, as most of our stories do anyway.
[00:12:27]  And then it went through legal, passed that.
[00:12:31]  And then it went to the executive suite.
[00:12:34]  It cleared that.
[00:12:35]  And then it was published.
[00:12:38]  And then within, I would, I would say within Six to eight hours of publication, they were in total panic mode.
[00:12:50]  Why?
[00:12:53]  They were getting calls from individuals that said that we didn't use enough of the weasel language to avoid a crippling defamation lawsuit.
[00:13:02]  Now, I thought that, you know, I think that most of the time our editors use too many of the weasel words.
[00:13:08]  And by the way, you know, weasel words are allegedly, probably, possibly, you know, all the things.
[00:13:14]  It's a shame sometimes when you know something empirically and you have video of it that you can't say.
[00:13:21]  What it is.
[00:13:21]  So you have to use allegedly, but it is.
[00:13:23]  That's the standard that's out there.
[00:13:25]  And I don't mind acquiescing to that standard at all.
[00:13:29]  But the point being is that this story had cleared every level of review that we are subjected to on every story we write.
[00:13:41]  I just put something together in my head that now just pissed me off in retrospect.
[00:13:46]  They run it by legal, they give you the okay.
[00:13:48]  Glenn Beck sees whatever evidence you have, and I think he put out a post or it was some comment somewhere where he said something about having seen the evidence to support the article, unless I'm mistaken.
[00:13:59]  You publish it.
[00:14:00]  I don't know when the flack happens, but then that CBS News article comes out with the puppy alibi.
[00:14:05]  Yeah.
[00:14:06]  And how long thereafter before the Blaze issues its retraction?
[00:14:12]  I think that the retraction did not happen until after Brian Cole was arrested.
[00:14:17]  And that's what forced them into that.
[00:14:19]  Now, we made a couple of modifications that people like Julie Kelly and others jumped on and went na Like, for instance, the morning after the publication of our November 8th article, I got a call from the number one PR person at CIA.
[00:14:36]  This was at 9 a.m. on a Sunday morning.
[00:14:39]  I get a call from CIA.
[00:14:41]  Saying, oh, I just, we just wanted to let you know that you have one part of your story wrong.
[00:14:48]  I said, okay, well, what's that?
[00:14:49]  They said, you don't have Shawnee Kirchhoff's employment with the CIA exactly correct, her job description.
[00:14:55]  And I'm like, okay, whatever.
[00:14:57]  You know, I don't, you know, look, it's the CIA.
[00:14:59]  I don't give a crap what they tell me anyway.
[00:15:01]  And, and so, uh, we made the change.
[00:15:04]  And to flesh that out, it was to basically downgrade the level of her employment at the CIA.
[00:15:09]  She was not really, she wasn't a higher up.
[00:15:11]  She was, what do they call it, campus security?
[00:15:13]  Campus security.
[00:15:14]  Right.
[00:15:14]  Okay.
[00:15:15]  And also, I do want to clarify one thing because I just saw the comment that says, Vive, unless I'm mistaken, Glenn Beck isn't involved with the Blaze.
[00:15:21]  He's involved, he licenses, I think, his content to the mother company.
[00:15:26]  But I do want to clarify people are dumping on Glenn Beck as well.
[00:15:29]  He wasn't involved in the decision to fire you, as far as I understand.
[00:15:33]  No, look, Glenn Beck has taken a tremendous amount of abuse online for my firing.
[00:15:40]  He had nothing to do with my hiring or my firing, either one.
[00:15:45]  He has not been in a control or management position with the Blaze for years.
[00:15:52]  To what extent he has even any ownership left or any percentage of a stake in that company, I don't know what it is.
[00:16:01]  It's just that I know that he's no longer a part of the Blaze.
[00:16:05]  As of January this year, he launched his own separate endeavor now.
[00:16:10]  He's got his own platform called the Torch, and he gets his own subscriptions, which the Blaze has no part of.
[00:16:17]  Those who are subscribed to the Blaze, that money doesn't go to Glenn.
[00:16:22]  The reason why you still see Glenn on Blaze TV and on the Blaze Radio Network is because Blaze now pays him for licensing.
[00:16:33]  Yeah.
[00:16:34]  If I were the owners of the Blaze, I would actually maybe think of suing anybody who used the torch because that would be a parasitic behavior.
[00:16:40]  You know, there was a lawsuit once.
[00:16:41]  It was called Red Bull and then they had Blue Cow.
[00:16:45]  And Blue Cow was not related to Red Bull, but I think I remember there being a lawsuit between the two.
[00:16:49]  Yeah.
[00:16:49]  Okay.
[00:16:50]  So, They retract the story, The Blaze, without notifying you.
[00:16:53]  And I remember that day, I'll call it a day of betrayal, after Brian Cole Jr. is arrested, based on, at least in part, the alibi of a purported video of Shawnee playing with her puppies the night of the planting of the bombs, which is problematic for a number of reasons.
[00:17:10]  A, she never had puppies, she never had more than one dog, the dog that she had wasn't a puppy at the time.
[00:17:15]  And there is some dispute, even according to Julie Kelly, as to the time at which the bombs were placed.
[00:17:20]  Set that aside.
[00:17:22]  That was the evidence in part, plus the arrest of Brian Cole, which came at a very convenient time like, what, a week after your story broke?
[00:17:28]  How long?
[00:17:29]  No, it's a couple weeks.
[00:17:30]  Two weeks after your story broke?
[00:17:32]  The arrest was almost exactly a month later.
[00:17:35]  Okay.
[00:17:36]  December 5th, give or take.
[00:17:37]  So at the time they issued that retraction, do you know if the folks at the Blaze knew of the failed polygraph test or the allegedly failed polygraph test as alleged in the defense?
[00:17:47]  No.
[00:17:49]  Nobody had knowledge of that until the law firm representing.
[00:17:54]  Well, there's two law firms representing Cole, which is another issue of confusion.
[00:17:58]  But the law firm that's basically handling his criminal defense side of the spectrum, they.
[00:18:07]  Discovered something in Discovery that was damning, and they wouldn't even tell Joe and I what it was.
[00:18:16]  In fact, and their reason for not telling us was because, as they said and properly explained, that we would get in a lot of trouble because this is information that we've learned through Discovery.
[00:18:27]  We won't be able to release it until we make a formal filing to the court.
[00:18:32]  And then on the morning that I was fired, so I received my termination notice at 9 30 a.m. last Wednesday.
[00:18:41]  Two hours later, the heavens opened up, the light beam shone down, and the filing hit, you know, pacer and court listener.
[00:18:51]  And we saw that Shawnee Kirchhoff had failed a polygraph.
[00:18:56]  There's, and again, all steel man it for Shawnee because it's important that she allegedly failed the polygraph as alleged in the motion.
[00:19:04]  And there is the argument that the allegation in the motion, which says that she was notified of her failure or, you know, that she was deceptive in the polygraph.
[00:19:12]  That's not necessarily an indication of actual deception, that sometimes that's a trick that they play after the questions are asked, even though you're still under polygraph to see how you respond to that.
[00:19:20]  So, you know, with that caveat, but the motion for contempt that came from the prosecution, which said you disclosed something which was, you know, sensitive material, kind of somewhat tends to affirm the allegations, but we'll get there.
[00:19:34]  Allegations are allegations.
[00:19:35]  What was the reason for your termination given in the letter?
[00:19:40]  In the letter, it was very, very harsh.
[00:19:44]  But they were responding to something that I sent them the week before.
[00:19:48]  I mean, I laid down, I mean, I threw down a gauntlet on them on the Friday prior to my termination and basically told them that I felt like that myself.
[00:19:59]  I wasn't speaking for Joe Hanneman.
[00:20:01]  I'll allow Joe as his own person to speak for himself.
[00:20:04]  But I know that he agrees with 99% of what I'm about to say as it applies to him personally, is that I felt like that they had defamed me.
[00:20:13]  And not only the retraction of the story, and then not allowing me to defend myself for five months and the abuse that I took as a result of that.
[00:20:22]  I mean, it was a daily criticism.
[00:20:24]  I could be, Viva, I could be making a comment about the war in Iran, and somebody in the comment threads would go, Oh, you're the guy who falsely accused the female Capitol Police officer.
[00:20:38]  You can shut the fuck up.
[00:20:40]  About any comment, it didn't matter what topic it was on.
[00:20:43]  It's the same zealots who come in.
[00:20:46]  To my videos that have nothing to do with Robert Barnes, to say, his bit was pathology.
[00:20:52]  It's zealotry.
[00:20:53]  It's also just, I believe, organized campaigns of harassment just to distract people from doing what they're doing.
[00:21:00]  So, explain why the letter was harsh.
[00:21:02]  And I don't recall, did you publish the letter?
[00:21:04]  I don't think you did, right?
[00:21:05]  No, no, no.
[00:21:06]  I didn't publish my letter to them.
[00:21:07]  That was private.
[00:21:08]  But I mean, their termination to you, did you publish that one?
[00:21:13]  No, I haven't published either one of them.
[00:21:15]  Now, what I have spoken of specifically is the.
[00:21:21]  And this is what angers me, and you alluded to it earlier that now that the termination has happened, and now that I am a free man, there have been people online conjecturing about my reason for termination.
[00:21:39]  And so one of the executives at the Blaze was sent to the X to clarify and said, Yes, here it is.
[00:21:48]  You have it.
[00:21:50]  And this is, we got to go down the rabbit hole, not the rabbit hole, but the chain of this.
[00:21:55]  It's Emerald Robinson who says, it looks like Steve Baker was fired by the Blaze for his reporting on the J6 pipe bomber.
[00:22:00]  None of that reporting has been retracted or proved false.
[00:22:03]  This means that he was fired for reporting the truth.
[00:22:05]  The FBI seems to be prosecuting the wrong guy.
[00:22:08]  Massive story.
[00:22:09]  To which Christopher Bedford, who is editor in chief, Blaze News, I've written at the FDA.
[00:22:14]  Okay, fine.
[00:22:14]  He says, this just isn't accurate.
[00:22:17]  No one has ever been nor will be fired for reporting on difficult subjects here.
[00:22:20]  Blaze News has never.
[00:22:23]  I guess from January 6th coverage in particular, serious coverage requires serious editorial and legal review.

=== PayPal Losses and Legal Clarity (08:08) ===

[00:22:28]  Steve no longer wished to submit his work to this.
[00:22:32]  And so we parted ways.
[00:22:33]  I wish him the best, to which it's a bit of a long response.
[00:22:37]  So maybe paraphrase it.
[00:22:39]  Yeah, the paraphrase is this the CEO of the company, Tyler Carden, he sent out an internal memo to the company, which was leaked to me.
[00:22:53]  And in that memo, he basically said the same thing that Bedford said publicly there.
[00:23:00]  And that was, is that I was now refusing and demanding that my work no longer be subject to editorial and legal review.
[00:23:10]  And that's a lie.
[00:23:11]  I never, ever, once have ever so much as insinuated that a single word I wrote should not be subject to editorial review.
[00:23:21]  As a matter of fact, Joe Hanneman and my last article.
[00:23:26]  Took 11 days from the time we filed it until it was published.
[00:23:33]  This is where I get into the constructive dismissal part because they're going to say, Oh, you didn't want to submit to reviews.
[00:23:37]  And on their end, they could say, Let's drag our feet on the reviews and make it basically impossible for Steve to publish anything.
[00:23:43]  And then he'll complain about it.
[00:23:44]  And then we'll complain about him complaining about the editorial reviews that he didn't want to submit to because we were using them as a form of harassment to try to drive Steve out.
[00:23:52]  Well, indeed, in this particular case, so we filed the last story that we did on Brian Cole.
[00:24:00]  And this story was about the physicality of the man, you know, not.
[00:24:04]  It just doesn't match the alleged gray hoodied bomber.
[00:24:10]  And so, what we did is we looked, that story took months to put together, months of, I mean, incredible research and investigative reporting and interviews.
[00:24:24]  And we were very proud of it.
[00:24:27]  And every I was dotted, every T crossed.
[00:24:30]  And it not only survived basically 99.99% intact from editorial review.
[00:24:39]  That by the time it got back from legal review, it was still 99.9% intact.
[00:24:45]  Out of 3,500 words, they'd changed like three or four words in the entire original article as filed.
[00:24:53]  We were meticulous in putting this together.
[00:24:55]  And then, after legal, because of the situation and the circumstances since November 8th, all of our articles now have to go through the executive suite.
[00:25:04]  So now it's cleared legal and it's sent to our CEO.
[00:25:10]  And then he got it on a Friday.
[00:25:13]  No word on Friday.
[00:25:14]  No word on Saturday.
[00:25:15]  No word on Sunday.
[00:25:17]  By noon on Monday, Chris, God bless him, Chris Bedford, editor in chief, he, because he had not heard from the CEO and because it had survived and got cleared by legal, he sent it to the copy editor to publish.
[00:25:34]  And that's what happened.
[00:25:35]  And then two hours later, Joe and I noticed that our article is yanked down from the front page, buried behind the paywall, and comments are turned off.
[00:25:44]  And then I am told.
[00:25:46]  That Tyler was angry that it had been published without his approval, and that in fact he intended to spike the story.
[00:25:55]  That right there, if I'm being perfectly honest with you, is when I determined I was no longer an employee.
[00:26:02]  Yeah, but that is where I would argue it's effective constructive dismissal that they're trying to basically make it so hard for you to work there that they're trying to get you to quit.
[00:26:11]  And so they've terminated you, not to get into the contractual relationship.
[00:26:16]  I don't know if it's a W 9 or a whatever, $11.99, a W 2 or an $11.99 when they terminate you.
[00:26:23]  So you lose all benefits.
[00:26:25]  I don't know what vacation, you lose all benefits.
[00:26:29]  Now I'm thinking health in particular.
[00:26:30]  Yeah.
[00:26:31]  Well, I mean, I've been with them for almost three years and never took a vacation.
[00:26:35]  I mean, I live to work.
[00:26:37]  I mean, doing what I do, I love so much that I'll get in my vacation days when I'm out, you know.
[00:26:44]  Traveling, chasing the story or interviewing sources or that sort of thing.
[00:26:49]  But I obviously have been through a health crisis recently.
[00:26:55]  So there is the issue of insurance.
[00:26:57]  The Blaze has a Cadillac health insurance policy for its employees.
[00:27:01]  And I'm certainly afforded what is it, 18 months through Cobra to continue paying for it myself.
[00:27:09]  So there's that.
[00:27:10]  So I'm not losing insurance today.
[00:27:13]  Uh, they will no longer be paying for it, and then, uh, additionally, you know, the this is what we've been talking about since you signed us on at three o'clock is that now you have the absolute crazies, Yahoo, totally ignorant,
[00:27:29]  uninformed, and nons all posting out there and saying, again, telling me to STF you, uh, shut up because the reason why the blaze fired me is because I'm a liar and I lied about Shawnee Kirkhoff, and that's why they fired me.
[00:27:44]  Well, no, that's not true, as a matter of fact.
[00:27:46]  Matter of fact, they kind of believe our story.
[00:27:51]  That's why they supported us for as long.
[00:27:53]  Look, Joe and I would have been shit canned absolutely the first day that they had even a whiff of suspicion that we were wrong.
[00:28:03]  They kept us on because, A, they believed that we're right and they wanted us to continue doing our work.
[00:28:11]  And we were continuing that work.
[00:28:13]  And then in addition to that, there had been no lawsuit filed.
[00:28:17]  It's been over five months now, or five months.
[00:28:19]  Today, since our story came out, and there still is no defamation lawsuit from the big bad evil company killing Claire Locke.
[00:28:31]  Did Hanneman get terminated as well?
[00:28:37]  I don't think he got a termination letter.
[00:28:39]  They're just assuming that he quit because he posted our own website, you know, with either the day of or the day after I was terminated.
[00:28:51]  So it was, I think they're taking his as a resignation.
[00:28:55]  But I don't, again, I don't want to speak for how exactly they've handled that.
[00:28:59]  But I would imagine that his paycheck has ceased coming in as well.
[00:29:08]  Last question on this particular subject.
[00:29:10]  You've got a give, send, go that has now been started.
[00:29:13]  It's givesendgo.com forward slash veritas regna.
[00:29:18]  That means truth shall reign?
[00:29:20]  Yes, yes, yes.
[00:29:22]  I'm going to give everybody the link and they can go support you there.
[00:29:25]  Did I understand that PayPal is trying to shut you down?
[00:29:29]  Yeah, we've only had our PayPal account set up for a couple of days and they're already threatening to shut it down.
[00:29:35]  In fact, as a matter of fact, they've suspended.
[00:29:38]  Taking donations right now.
[00:29:40]  You know, we saw that feverishly during the COVID regime.
[00:29:47]  We saw right wing voices lose their banking abilities, losing PayPal, losing other types of payment accounts like that.
[00:29:55]  And then, of course, we saw J6ers shut down.
[00:29:58]  Now, I'm one of those rare J6ers.
[00:30:01]  I've had a PayPal account for 20 years, maybe almost 20 years, and I didn't lose mine at all.
[00:30:08]  But this was a separate one that was set up specifically for this.
[00:30:11]  New project of myself and Joe's.
[00:30:15]  And this is very unusual that within a couple of days of establishing it, that now we're getting warnings that they're going to shut it down.
[00:30:24]  And that feels like the way the government pressured the J6ers and the COVID deniers.
[00:30:35]  Have they given you a reason?

=== Footage of Walking Down Streets (04:13) ===

[00:30:36]  Not yet.
[00:30:38]  So they just say, what is it?
[00:30:40]  We're going to close your account down?
[00:30:42]  Yeah, they said the technical reason is behind it.
[00:30:46]  They want us to show proof of services rendered.
[00:30:51]  It's like these are donations.
[00:30:52]  There's not.
[00:30:53]  Yeah, it says the function is personal or business, and that only affects the insurance in terms of whether or not you can claim it back.
[00:31:03]  People ask why you would even use PayPal, but alternative, it's just amazing to see.
[00:31:06]  Give, send, go is the only one to use.
[00:31:08]  GoF me does the same thing.
[00:31:11]  And you got to wonder who's sitting there pushing buttons and now weaponizing these institutions or at least putting pressure on them the same way was done under prior administrations where it was unanimously and universally condemned by the right.
[00:31:25]  Correct.
[00:31:26]  Steve, now we're going to get into Megyn Kelly.
[00:31:30]  All right.
[00:31:30]  So that's the firing.
[00:31:31]  Let me see if there's any questions in the.
[00:31:33]  Oh, we'll get, we'll get, you know, before we get there, what's his face?
[00:31:36]  Uh, 279er came back with some questions.
[00:31:39]  Oh, well, I know that what's also irritating is people asking questions that I've already asked and then suggesting they haven't been asked, and other ones that I suspect you may or may not be able to answer.
[00:31:49]  He has access to things we don't, but he hides anything that doesn't fit the narrative.
[00:31:52]  Okay, that's an accusation, that's not a question, sir.
[00:31:54]  I'll just help you along with that.
[00:31:56]  Has he ever spoken to Cole Jr.?
[00:31:58]  I don't know if you feel comfortable answering that question.
[00:31:59]  I don't know what the answer is myself.
[00:32:01]  I never have, no.
[00:32:02]  All right, let's get to question number two.
[00:32:05]  Has he ever personally seen him walk down a street?
[00:32:08]  I know you guys have, well, you've been to court.
[00:32:09]  I asked you that question, you've seen him walk in court.
[00:32:11]  Have you ever personally seen him walk down the street?
[00:32:14]  Kind of tough, 279er, when he's been in jail for the last three months.
[00:32:17]  Get another stupid question out there.
[00:32:18]  Yeah, he's been in jail since I've known his name.
[00:32:23]  So, stupid question, but have you ever seen video footage of him walking down a street?
[00:32:27]  Yes.
[00:32:29]  We did a FOIA from the police department where he had his little fender bender back in the summer of 2024, 48 minutes that we received in total, intact from body cams, and he has a very distinctive walk.
[00:32:45]  In that body cam footage, and it comports with what all of the people in his neighborhood that I've interviewed, including his FBI, current FBI agent neighbor, told us.
[00:33:01]  Having him and his wife, having seen him walk every day for 10 years, say no effing way is he the person in the gray hoodie bomber videos that the FBI released.
[00:33:14]  I'm going to try to be nice for now.
[00:33:16]  So, have you ever spoken to Cole?
[00:33:18]  Okay, fine question.
[00:33:18]  Have you ever personally seen him walk down the street?
[00:33:20]  It was a terrible question because he's been in jail since anybody knew of him.
[00:33:23]  And you would have known that we've seen the video as well because I asked Steve about how they got that footage of the fender bender roadside accent in the first place.
[00:33:30]  Have you ever done a gait analysis on Cole Jr.?
[00:33:34]  We have done gait analysis with the types of professionals that do this on a visual basis.
[00:33:42]  We have not done it with computer software as we did on Shawnee Kirchhoff.
[00:33:47]  And the reason why we haven't, Is because, and this is breaking news for you, is we have been blackballed since the release of our story by all of the professional software companies, including the international ones.
[00:34:04]  The most respected ones in the world are in the UK, the UAE, and China.
[00:34:12]  And none of them will run this for us since that story came out.
[00:34:18]  Amazing.
[00:34:18]  Does he have enough to do a comp gate analysis?
[00:34:20]  Question asked and answered.
[00:34:21]  He's in touch with Cole's family.
[00:34:23]  Did he ever ask him if he had a pair of those Nikes?
[00:34:25]  I think I asked you this question during one of our interviews.
[00:34:29]  There are certain aspects of that related to his feet, his shoes, and other attire that we have been asked specifically not to talk about until they become formal court filings.
[00:34:43]  And why was he measuring the shoe size from traffic account video and guessing when he has access to the family could just ask them the actual foot size?

=== Interview Questions and Editing Fears (15:49) ===

[00:34:50]  I would have asked that question.
[00:34:51]  I think I did.
[00:34:53]  I look, I just answered that question.
[00:34:55]  I know what his foot size is, I know exactly what his foot size is.
[00:35:00]  So, my measurements of his foot size, doing the math, measuring where he stood on camera, is between a 12 and a 12 and a half.
[00:35:11]  And I'll just tell you that it's damn accurate.
[00:35:16]  You happy?
[00:35:17]  Everyone out there, I'll ask anybody any question so long as it's not overtly rude and not an accusation.
[00:35:22]  Now we're going to get into the juice of this.
[00:35:24]  You do the interview with Megyn Kelly.
[00:35:28]  Let me back that up.
[00:35:30]  I didn't know that you didn't actually.
[00:35:32]  It wasn't, I didn't organize anything.
[00:35:34]  I just put you in touch with the producer because the story went viral.
[00:35:37]  And then, A, I wanted to give you as much exposure or at least facilitate as much exposure as humanly possible.
[00:35:44]  You get the okay to do the interview with Megyn Kelly.
[00:35:47]  Before you sit down, what were the parameters of the interview?
[00:35:50]  Was it supposed to be live initially and then it was changed to pre recorded?
[00:35:54]  What were the parameters of what was agreed to initially for that interview?
[00:35:57]  Yeah, it was originally going to be live.
[00:36:00]  And in fact, the first time that they spoke to me, they were talking about something in the 20 to 30 minute range.
[00:36:08]  Well, as that story was developing and they realized that, look, they knew that I was about to get terminated from the Blaze, they had already reached out to the Blaze themselves.
[00:36:17]  Their people had, the Megan Kelly team, as they like to be referred to.
[00:36:21]  And they had reached out to confirm that, you know, my head was on the chopping block there because they didn't want to get into, they didn't want me, you know, getting in the, or them getting into a shooting match with the Blaze directly over my employment.
[00:36:33]  So basically the Blaze confirmed to them that, yeah, I was, you know, rushing headlong to a termination.
[00:36:40]  And then, so on Tuesday night last week, the night before the interview at 6 p.m., I get a call from Chris Bedford, my editor in chief and friend.
[00:36:50]  And he said to me, he said, So, are you still going through with this?
[00:36:55]  And I said, Yes, I am.
[00:36:56]  I said, You know, I told you I was.
[00:36:58]  He said, Yeah, I know, I know.
[00:36:59]  He said, But he said, Okay.
[00:37:01]  And this is exactly what he said.
[00:37:02]  He said, I just hope that what's about to happen between us on a professional level will not affect your and my friendship.
[00:37:10]  I said, no, Chris, we're good.
[00:37:11]  We're good.
[00:37:12]  No problem.
[00:37:14]  No problem.
[00:37:14]  And so I received my termination notice at 9 30 that morning.
[00:37:18]  As I mentioned before, at 11 30, the filing about the failed polygraph happened.
[00:37:24]  And then immediately I got contacted by Megan's team and asked if we could move the interview back from one o'clock to 1 30, and that Megan was going to give me all the time that I needed, no time crunch whatsoever.
[00:37:41]  How long can you stay on?
[00:37:42]  I said, as long as she wants me.
[00:37:44]  Let me ask you this.
[00:37:45]  When Chris asks you, are you still going to go through with this?
[00:37:48]  The this to which he's referring is the interview with Megyn Kelly.
[00:37:51]  The interview with Megyn Kelly, and my intention to not delete the comments that they were requiring of me to delete.
[00:37:58]  So now she says it goes from a 30 30 minute segment to as long as you need, we're going to go through all of it.
[00:38:04]  You are going to bring your evidence, and she's going to, as a lawyer, cross examine you on it.
[00:38:09]  Does it, does, does the interview occur that day?
[00:38:13]  Well, then it, so, so now I'm told, so that was the first thing was it was going to be delayed for 30 minutes.
[00:38:19]  Then, I mean, within minutes, they changed their mind, and now it's going to be a taped interview.
[00:38:25]  They're not going to go live.
[00:38:26]  So it already been, it already been promoted by them on the Megyn Kelly Show X page and wherever else they advertise that I would, I was going to be live with her that day.
[00:38:35]  That did not happen.
[00:38:36]  And so now they're going to tape and they moved it back to two o'clock.
[00:38:39]  Then that two o'clock became 2 15.
[00:38:41]  So we're basically, I'm on the screen with, you know, with Megan by about 2 15, 2 20, something like that.
[00:38:48]  And we, I wasn't looking at the clock, but it was around two hours, maybe just shy of two hours in that interview.
[00:38:56]  And so I fully anticipated that it would be aired the next day.
[00:39:01]  Kind of, you know, they didn't give me an absolute statement that it would be the next day, but that it, Probably was.
[00:39:09]  And then Thursday became Friday, and Friday became early next week, is what I was told, which was the week we're in now.
[00:39:17]  Okay.
[00:39:17]  Now, by the way, if I go back to that screenshot, which was in the post from them where it says today, this was April 1st.
[00:39:26]  So this is last week Megyn Kelly show, Mr. DMIA, which everyone should know is Mike Davis, Aaron Berg, Mark Garagos, The Broncos show, which is Law Self Defense, and you.
[00:39:37]  It is a weird thing that you would be on with Mike Davis, given Mike Davis's.
[00:39:41]  Yeah.
[00:39:42]  So it's curious, and whether or not there was, I don't want to be on with that guy, one thing.
[00:39:48]  Then it goes to pre recorded.
[00:39:50]  And how long did it last?
[00:39:52]  Two and a quarter hours, you said?
[00:39:53]  No, it was probably just shy of two hours.
[00:39:56]  How did it go?
[00:39:59]  She was really hard on me.
[00:40:00]  I kind of anticipated that.
[00:40:02]  She is an attorney.
[00:40:03]  I've seen her do hard interviews before.
[00:40:07]  She put out a lot of disclaimers.
[00:40:10]  Obviously, she doesn't want to get.
[00:40:13]  Come under the ire of Claire Locke, either, and whoever their clients are.
[00:40:20]  And so there was a lot of legalese, a lot of disclaimers when we would shift topics.
[00:40:24]  And of course, it was one big topic for the most part, but there's, you know, subtopics and chapters.
[00:40:30]  There's a great way of putting it.
[00:40:31]  And so each time we would move into something else, she would, you know, put the disclaimers out there.
[00:40:36]  This isn't, you know, us, this isn't me.
[00:40:38]  These are the allegations that Steve Baker is making, blah, So there was a lot of that going on.
[00:40:44]  A lot of, uh, uh, Legal ass covering.
[00:40:49]  And she was hard.
[00:40:53]  I told confidants afterwards, when I saw it play back, there might have been a half a dozen questions I wish I would have answered differently.
[00:41:03]  But you always have that way when you're subjected to a hard interview.
[00:41:07]  Let me ask you specifically what issues was she hard on you about?
[00:41:11]  I presume you remember some of them, if not all of them.
[00:41:13]  What one or two particular elements was she hard on you that you?
[00:41:17]  I don't know.
[00:41:19]  One particular thing, just as an example, was she addressing the original story and she was grilling me about why we did not reach out to Shawnee Kirchhoff directly for comment before we published the story.
[00:41:32]  Well, the problem with that is her internet presence has been wiped clean.
[00:41:37]  Almost.
[00:41:38]  We found deep web stuff and we found old phone numbers.
[00:41:41]  We have all the old addresses.
[00:41:43]  We have VIN numbers on her previous cars.
[00:41:47]  We have credit reports, all kinds of stuff.
[00:41:50]  So you didn't reach out to her because you couldn't?
[00:41:53]  Or I mean, I presume did you reach out to Ratcliffe to the extent it's her employer as to whether or not they could give comment?
[00:42:00]  Now, I'll be honest with you right now, at this moment, I don't recall whether we reached out to CIA or not, but that's.
[00:42:08]  Normal course of business.
[00:42:09]  So I would think we did.
[00:42:11]  And sometimes I don't know that because Joe and I will split those responsibilities.
[00:42:16]  So, you know, it's like, okay, Joe, you call the Capitol Police and I'll call the CIA.
[00:42:21]  And, or worst case scenario here, you didn't reach out, which is maybe improper, unfair, or I don't know, rude, but not changing the otherwise accuracy of the story because we've gotten Shawnee's, we've got her story from the letter from her lawyers and from that CBS.
[00:42:38]  Let me give you an example.
[00:42:39]  So people don't understand why that's.
[00:42:42]  You know, required.
[00:42:43]  It's not a law.
[00:42:43]  It's kind of a rule.
[00:42:45]  It's an unwritten rule or written rule.
[00:42:47]  It's taught in law, in journalism school, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:42:50]  You got to reach out to the people that you're going to write about, particularly if you're writing something bad about them or accusing them or alleging that they've done something wrong.
[00:42:58]  And over the years since January 6th, I cannot tell you, we've lost count of how many times we have reached out to the public affairs office at Capitol Police over and over and over and over again.
[00:43:14]  Phone calls, emails.
[00:43:17]  Every way that you can reach them, you know, how many times they've responded to us in five years?
[00:43:23]  Zero.
[00:43:24]  But every single time our editors say, Did you call the Capitol Police?
[00:43:29]  Okay, I'll call them again.
[00:43:30]  You know, but we do it anyway.
[00:43:33]  So it was not an oversight.
[00:43:35]  It was just a function of the fact that her information had been at the time wiped clean.
[00:43:40]  Now, I will also say that afterwards, I know of one reporter who, in fact, Did find a current phone number that she believes is a current phone number, phoned it, but Kirchhoff wasn't answering.
[00:43:56]  So, that was one issue that Kelly Megan pushed you on.
[00:44:00]  Did you remember another one in particular?
[00:44:01]  Well, that, well, that, I'll just say she didn't just push me on that one.
[00:44:05]  She chastised me for it, for not reaching out to them.
[00:44:09]  It's like, what?
[00:44:09]  You don't tell the story because you can't get them.
[00:44:13]  But the bottom line is that she was hard, you know, on all of the legal aspects of this, she was, you know, she really, you know, she got into, She wanted to know who ran the gate recognition.
[00:44:24]  Why did we not publish the name of our source and who did the gate recognition research for us that got the 94% match between her and the hoodied bomber and then the 98% human match that we got.
[00:44:41]  And so, as I'll explain to you and I've explained to everybody, I'm not ever going to, I will go to my grave, I will go to prison.
[00:44:53]  Before I tell you the name of that source, because nobody wanted to touch this with a thousand foot pole.
[00:45:02]  But we did, in fact, have a source, not in the intelligence community, but with a private contractor who had access to the technology and ran that for us at great risk to life, limb, and career.
[00:45:22]  So it lasts a couple of hours.
[00:45:24]  She chastises you for not having reached out, apparently, to Shawnee.
[00:45:29]  Some other issues.
[00:45:30]  Interview ends.
[00:45:32]  And then what happens after that?
[00:45:34]  Well, let me just tell you how the interview ended.
[00:45:38]  It was very pleasant.
[00:45:38]  I mean, she was very, very gracious, very kind.
[00:45:41]  And she even apologized on the air and said, Oh, my gosh.
[00:45:44]  She said, I'm so, you know, thank you for being here today.
[00:45:46]  She goes, I'm sorry I was so hard on you.
[00:45:48]  And I said, No, you were fine.
[00:45:50]  You're great.
[00:45:50]  You know, I'm ready for this.
[00:45:52]  I'm ready, you know, whether it's, Whether it's her or a congressional hearing or a deposition over this, I'm fine either way.
[00:46:00]  I know what I know and I'm not going to speak anything other than the truth of what I know.
[00:46:06]  So then after that, it was just a matter of me trying to get information from them about when it would air because now I'm getting pounded because this was supposed to be live.
[00:46:19]  And then suddenly it's not at all.
[00:46:22]  By the end of that day, people are going, Where is it?
[00:46:24]  Where is it?
[00:46:24]  Where is it?
[00:46:25]  And I presume.
[00:46:26]  Blaming you, accusing you of being on the conspiracy theory.
[00:46:29]  Something went wrong.
[00:46:30]  You begged Megyn Kelly not to publish it, something along those lines.
[00:46:33]  I mean, there's not a conspiracy stone that has been unturned here in the accusations about why that has not been aired.
[00:46:41]  And to my knowledge, none of them are true.
[00:46:45]  I don't know if there have been conversations between her and.
[00:46:51]  Look, let me just say this.
[00:46:54]  The Megyn Kelly team was incredibly thorough in being prepared.
[00:46:59]  For this interview, Megan was better prepared than anybody else I've talked to about this in the last five months.
[00:47:05]  She knew more than anybody else.
[00:47:09]  They had talked to more people.
[00:47:11]  They actually had between the 11 30 filing or announcement of this filing about the polygraph, her team had already spoken to Claire Locke.
[00:47:22]  That's why I think they kept pushing it back, they were trying to do some more advanced work on that.
[00:47:29]  So She actually read on the air, which I thought was going to be on the air, a statement from Shawnee Kirkhoff's law firm, Claire Lock, that they had just received from them about this court filing.
[00:47:42]  That's wild.
[00:47:43]  Okay.
[00:47:44]  And then the question I had is whether or not you disclosed anything or discussed anything with Megyn Kelly that was not already, say, in the public domain or that had not already been addressed, been published, or that you yourself had not already stated publicly.
[00:47:57]  Was there anything that was so breaking that had never been revealed?
[00:48:01]  That it might have otherwise scared or resulted in pressure to Megyn Kelly not to run the interview?
[00:48:08]  I mean, I can think of two things right away.
[00:48:15]  But there was no reason why, if they were afraid of those two topics, they couldn't have just edited them out of the two hour interview.
[00:48:25]  And in fact, that was even mentioned in the post discussion with her team that if in fact there was anything that was over the top, too much, they didn't feel comfortable with, and they could edit it out.
[00:48:38]  The only thing that I didn't want them to edit out was edit something down into such a manner that it turned into a hit piece, because you can do that pretty easily.
[00:48:49]  And I did not have any fear or anticipation that she would do that.
[00:48:54]  But the other thing that concerned me is that they did inform me that they were now, because I had said and given her so much more information that she did not know beforehand, that they were back out there now doing follow ups and going back and trying to get background on some of the other things that I told them about.
[00:49:12]  And I said, and one of the email or text exchanges that I had with her team was very simply look, if you guys get back negative comments, On this, that you're going to add to the show, I said, I want an opportunity to answer those.
[00:49:30]  And they said, Oh, yeah, yeah, no, definitely.
[00:49:31]  If anything comes back, you know, contradicting you, negative, calling you a liar, whatever, we'll certainly give you the opportunity to respond.
[00:49:39]  Oh, good.
[00:49:40]  Okay, great.
[00:49:41]  It's amazing because when they initially announced it was going to be a recording, and then I saw people making these comments like, Oh, she's going to edit it into a hit piece like with Alex Jones.
[00:49:49]  And I'm like, I think Megan has evolved since then that she wouldn't do that.
[00:49:53]  And then I'm going to read the statement when you posted the announcement that they're not airing it.
[00:49:58]  And the reason they gave that's the wrong post.
[00:50:02]  Hold on one second.
[00:50:02]  That the reason they gave is going to be the stuff of conspiracy theory after extensive independent legal review without having access to certain sources referenced throughout the interview.
[00:50:14]  We are not able to air the interview at this time.
[00:50:16]  We appreciate you taking the time to do this and hope you understand that we have tried to get this to a point where we could clear our independent standards for air.
[00:50:23]  We remain very interested in the story and will be in touch should there be further developments in the future.
[00:50:30]  Your best guess.
[00:50:32]  Do you know what element that they, best guess as to what the clincher was for them?

=== Suspicions About Deep State Activists (03:56) ===

[00:50:40]  I don't have a best guess.
[00:50:42]  And by the way, that statement, I had permission to use that.
[00:50:45]  I got permission.
[00:50:47]  They sent that over to me.
[00:50:48]  I said, Can I publish this?
[00:50:50]  They said, Yes, absolutely.
[00:50:53]  And I have suspicions, but I don't have best guesses of what they were afraid of.
[00:51:03]  My suspicions are that indeed Claire Locke is the most feared defamation plaintiff law firm in the world.
[00:51:14]  They are a company killing, media company killing law firm.
[00:51:21]  And they have that reputation.
[00:51:23]  And I can only, and this is pure speculation.
[00:51:28]  I'm not, this is not accusation.
[00:51:30]  But if you're going to ask me to speculate, which you didn't, you ask, best guess speculation is that maybe, maybe they got a warning from Claire Locke and said, don't you dare.
[00:51:42]  Or maybe, as she mentioned during the interview, she said that she had, A long time relationship with Dan Bongino and not necessarily characterizing it as a friendship or even a current friendship, but you know, that she's known Dan for a long time.
[00:52:04]  And she said, I don't believe that he would be participating in a cover up or you know, framing a Brian Cole Jr. or anything like that.
[00:52:12]  And then she segued from that to saying that I don't, and she said, I don't know Kash Patel as well, and I've only had the opportunity to meet him two or three times, but I also don't believe that he would participate in a cover up of any kind.
[00:52:25]  You know, I mean, it's interesting.
[00:52:26]  Kyle Serafin, who's, I guess, public enemy number one and the self avowed enemy of the FBI and Bongino, even he, in his, you know, I guess it's a charitable theory, doesn't think that Patel and Bongino framed the kid, but that they were more likely than not the victims of the underhandedness of a corrupt FBI that still exists within that institution, who probably didn't disclose to them that Shawnee allegedly had failed this polygraph and that they were operating on incomplete information.
[00:52:57]  Because the folks, the corrupt folks at the FBI who haven't been purged, knew that they could be manipulated in that manner.
[00:53:03]  Well, and let me answer to that because that was the response that I gave Megan in that moment.
[00:53:10]  I actually said, and I gave the example of this, I said that very likely they were just doing nothing more than regurgitating the information that had been given to them from lower level deep state activists within the Bureau.
[00:53:25]  I said, because look, and I gave her this example in my answer.
[00:53:29]  I said, when Patel came into FBI and John Ratcliffe came over to CIA, they.
[00:53:35]  With promises of rooting out the deep state and rooting out the anti or America First people, they both laid off less than 1% of their respective employee base.
[00:53:51]  Whereas, by contrast, and I shared this over at ODNI, Tulsi Gabbard laid off 40% of their employment.
[00:54:02]  This was my operating theory for a very long time, which is when Kash Patel came out and it went from turning the Hoover building into a museum, a deep state museum, into let's get better offices.
[00:54:14]  And he's proud of his team.
[00:54:16]  He went and looked at those 33,000 some odd FBI employees and didn't appreciate that, I don't know, 70%, 50%, whatever.
[00:54:23]  There's a heavy faction of TDS corrupt agents who were the ones that went after the Jan Sixers and did everything under Biden that were still employed there.
[00:54:32]  He didn't fire them.
[00:54:33]  He thought he could, you know, Win them over with friendship and kindness.

=== Recording Laws and Office Changes (02:32) ===

[00:54:36]  And I think that they probably got sabotaged by them.
[00:54:40]  And well, so that's it.
[00:54:42]  So, no rescheduling of this.
[00:54:44]  As of now, that was the last you got.
[00:54:46]  And if they get back to you, they'll call you back.
[00:54:50]  That was the statement that I got from them.
[00:54:52]  Don't call us, we'll call you.
[00:54:54]  I want to bring up a couple of comments in a second.
[00:54:56]  I'll bring this one up just to end the segment, the chapter.
[00:54:59]  A lesson for Steve, perhaps have your own recording for any future interviews.
[00:55:02]  I asked you this before we got live, and I know the answer to this, but why didn't you have your own recording?
[00:55:08]  Well, with Megan, I didn't think I would need to, but this is actually SOP for me is that when I do give extensive interviews to mainstream media journalists, as I have done many since January 6th, that I record all of them.
[00:55:25]  I'll set up my tripod if it's an in studio recording.
[00:55:28]  I set up my tripod, knowing that they're going to cut it down 30 minutes to three minutes, or they're going to cut an hour and a half interview down to just for the evening news kind of length thing.
[00:55:41]  And in fact, one time with an NBC affiliate, they did an hour and a half interview, which I knew was going to be three minutes for the evening news.
[00:55:55]  And I only agreed to them submitting to that.
[00:56:00]  Is if they posted the entire interview in perpetuity on their YouTube page, which they honored and have done.
[00:56:07]  But I also had my attorney sitting there and my own tripod with my own camera recording the whole thing.
[00:56:13]  You know, everybody should know double check if you're in a one party consent state or two party consent state or all party consent state.
[00:56:19]  If it's a one party, you can record it without telling them.
[00:56:22]  And if it's all party, I think there might be an implicit understanding it's by consent if they're recording it, but not legal advice.
[00:56:28]  Double check.
[00:56:30]  That's fascinating, Steve.
[00:56:32]  Now, hold on.
[00:56:32]  There's a question here that came in from We Know This Guy.
[00:56:35]  And thus far, FX Reagan, I don't know what your experience has been.
[00:56:39]  It's been fair.
[00:56:40]  I believe that I've asked you something along this line of question in any one of our previous interviews.
[00:56:46]  But Reagan says, What came first, the subject, the Capitol Police officer, or the gate analysis?
[00:56:50]  In other words, if it was her, what evidence do you have?
[00:56:53]  What evidence did you have to subject her to the analysis or just subject the video to analysis?
[00:56:58]  If it's the other way around, who else got screened for analysis and why and why not?
[00:57:02]  Yeah, this is the exact kind of question.
[00:57:04]  That they have been, you know, belligerently pounding me with.

=== Lawmaker Investigations and Gate Analysis (03:42) ===

[00:57:09]  I will tell that story in my time when it's time to tell the story.
[00:57:13]  And we're going to.
[00:57:14]  We are putting together the entire origin story.
[00:57:19]  And I've said this to whoever this FX Regan is, who also postures himself as a, you know, retired former FBI agent.
[00:57:26]  He's a member of the FAGs as well.
[00:57:29]  And the FAGs is the federal agent group for those former agents group.
[00:57:33]  Sorry.
[00:57:34]  And so.
[00:57:35]  And so, what I have told him, and I'm not going to change on that, is I don't do this on his time.
[00:57:46]  This will happen on our time.
[00:57:47]  And I only have been unmuzzled for a freaking week now.
[00:57:53]  Well, I think you can, I mean, people can piece a large part of it together with what Kyle Serafin has also publicly said in terms of his investigations, your aha moment, and stay tuned.
[00:58:04]  I mean, the other thing is not to be cynical.
[00:58:08]  You're going to now have to go it on your own and make your own living.
[00:58:11]  I mean, generate your own revenue.
[00:58:13]  So, what you kill, survive on your own.
[00:58:15]  And this is the content monetized is a very cynical way of going about it.
[00:58:19]  This is your beat.
[00:58:20]  Like, this is your story right now that people are going to go follow you for developments, breaking stuff, and whatever else you and Joe are going to cover.
[00:58:29]  And speaking of which, so the give, send, go is up.
[00:58:32]  Hold on.
[00:58:32]  Let me give it here.
[00:58:33]  The give, send, go is up.
[00:58:34]  You and Joe, are you guys working together like as a formal team right now?
[00:58:38]  It's like, are you?
[00:58:40]  Okay.
[00:58:40]  And, You're totally independent and you don't want to get pigeonholed as the only January 6th pipe bomber story, but this is the beat that you're working on.
[00:58:50]  And this is how you're going to rely on crowd support to remain funded and independent while you do this.
[00:58:57]  Well, look, individuals that think that this is the only thing that we're interested in doing and that we're fundraising for a single topic, they're absolutely incorrect.
[00:59:09]  It doesn't take any more than a quick search on the Blaze website.
[00:59:13]  For them to see that Joe and I have done many, many other topics outside of January 6th, outside of the pipe bomb.
[00:59:20]  We've covered a lot.
[00:59:21]  Joe just did an extensive series on the mass shooter up in Minneapolis that shot up the lawmaker and other individuals.
[00:59:32]  And I've done work on Congressman Corey Mills and him as a very corrupt lawmaker.
[00:59:44]  And going back to.
[00:59:48]  I mean, we did extensive work on the assassination attempts of the president.
[00:59:54]  And so we're not a one note samba.
[00:59:56]  And this is not going to be the only thing that we work on.
[00:59:59]  What we're trying to do, though, and what I'm trying to express and convey to everyone, and particularly with the dollar figure that we've set on our GiveSense and Go, is that's basically getting us through a year of not only salary, insurance, professional fees.
[01:00:21]  Travel expenses because you have to travel to meet with sources, that sort of thing.
[01:00:26]  And it's a very low dollar amount, especially considering that the expenses that the Blaze was covering, you know, because they, you know, I not only was getting a paycheck from them and insurance, but I was getting, I had a very nice expense account in order for me to pursue these stories.
[01:00:44]  But one of the other things that we do, we do have to hire individuals that can go places and do things that reporters do.

=== Hiring Reporters for Field Work (05:23) ===

[01:00:52]  Can't.
[01:00:53]  No.
[01:00:53]  And gate analysis.
[01:00:54]  I don't know what it cost and who paid for it under the Blaze story, but experts, now you're going to have to front yourself.
[01:01:00]  Right.
[01:01:01]  File that under professional fees.
[01:01:02]  That's correct.
[01:01:03]  But that includes lawyers, accountants, and experts.
[01:01:10]  Steve, let me do.
[01:01:12]  I made a mistake of not bringing up the cashed app here thing, whatever it's called, the cash, so I can see the rumble rants over on Rumble.
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[01:01:32]  Steve needs to set up a website with an independent processor for payments.
[01:01:35]  That way he cannot be taken down.
[01:01:37]  Host independently.
[01:01:38]  I am not great at it, but it can help.
[01:01:41]  Well, I mean, that's the thing on the one hand, it's not.
[01:01:45]  Easier, cheap to even do that.
[01:01:48]  Now, let me go over to locals, Steve.
[01:01:50]  How much time do you have left?
[01:01:51]  I'm good.
[01:01:51]  I'm good.
[01:01:52]  You know, if I need to, you know, because of the medications I'm on right now, if I need to bail for five minutes, I think we did that last week, didn't we?
[01:01:59]  Yeah.
[01:02:00]  Well, did I?
[01:02:01]  You have an excuse.
[01:02:02]  I just have a hyperactive bladder like a 12 year old kid.
[01:02:06]  Steve, okay.
[01:02:07]  And by the way, we're going to go raid.
[01:02:08]  Someone said they don't like redacting.
[01:02:12]  I don't like it.
[01:02:13]  Then go to where you want to go if you don't like the raid or stay here.
[01:02:17]  Gray 101 in our Viva Barnes Law.
[01:02:19]  Locals.com community says, How exciting was it being in the same studio as Glenn Beck himself?
[01:02:24]  He is a good guy, right?
[01:02:25]  Like I get the impression people want to demonize him because he, you know, he changed politically or evolved.
[01:02:31]  He does seem like a genuinely nice and sincere individual.
[01:02:34]  Am I?
[01:02:35]  Well, I wouldn't expect you to say anything else.
[01:02:36]  No, I, well, no, look, I have been on the air and sat in the same studio with him more times than I can count.
[01:02:42]  I've had only a couple of occasions where we have been able to have private conversations.
[01:02:50]  One was, gosh, it was towards the end of last summer or early fall when I knew that he was leaving the blaze.
[01:03:00]  And I wanted to talk to him about that.
[01:03:04]  And that conversation will remain private.
[01:03:07]  But I wanted to tell him what he meant to me.
[01:03:13]  And so I conveyed it in.
[01:03:16]  In the way that I, you know, that I wanted to.
[01:03:19]  And, um, sorry.
[01:03:24]  I, yeah, I have, I have no, I have no other, you know, I have no ill feelings towards, uh, Glenn Beck whatsoever.
[01:03:30]  And, and again, I mean, look, the idiocy online of the, the just the, the crazy, um, accusations that people make about somebody they don't know at all.
[01:03:45]  They, they, they, View people that they've only seen on a screen as just like characters in a play and not real humans.
[01:03:52]  And I'm definitely guilty of it at times, you know, in the way that I deal with Eric Swalwell or Adam Kinzinger.
[01:03:59]  By the way, two seconds ago, did you hear the audio that I was playing in the background?
[01:04:04]  Let me see.
[01:04:05]  Okay, see, because I don't know, I'm on Rumble Studio.
[01:04:07]  I was going to, it looks like you're going to be in luck.
[01:04:09]  We're going to raid Timcast.
[01:04:10]  You don't hear audio right now?
[01:04:12]  Good.
[01:04:14]  I forget where it was that the person heard the audio, and I'm trying to see who we're going to go raid right now.
[01:04:20]  So I didn't know if it distracted anybody.
[01:04:22]  We're going to go raid Tim Cass in a few seconds.
[01:04:24]  Okay, so that was Glenn Beck.
[01:04:26]  What was the other question I wanted to get to?
[01:04:27]  I want to get to all of our Rumble rants, and the after discussion will be on Rumble Studio and Viva Barnes Law.
[01:04:32]  Revolver News also covered the pipe bomb story.
[01:04:34]  Might that be a place?
[01:04:35]  So, a question to refresh my memory.
[01:04:39]  Beatty, Darren Beatty, he's in the administration right now.
[01:04:43]  Yeah, he's working for the Department of State, State Department.
[01:04:45]  Okay.
[01:04:46]  And so he was at the forefront of the pipe bomber story.
[01:04:49]  I don't know that, I presume he hasn't said anything public about any of these developments because of his role or because of his current status.
[01:04:57]  No, he hasn't.
[01:04:58]  And, you know, Revolver has done a few things, you know, his publication, to what extent he's involved with Revolver in terms of directing, contributing in the background.
[01:05:09]  I do not know the answer to that.
[01:05:11]  I've met Darren at the Blaze Studios, as a matter of fact, and like the guy, smart guy.
[01:05:19]  He, Is certainly distracted with the affairs of state, literally right now, and not involved in this particular story.
[01:05:30]  But look, and I'm not either bragging or patting myself and Joe on the back in this.
[01:05:39]  We're so much further along in the details of this than Revolver ever got.
[01:05:45]  Maybe if he was still there, he would be, you know, we would be playing, you know, hopscotch and he would be, you know, Or leapfrog, he'd be leaping, leapfrogging over us with one story, and we'd be leapfrogging over him with another, and it would just be a friendly rivalry.
[01:05:59]  But, um, you know, because uh, he's he's not somebody I have any ill, you know, will towards or uh, ill feelings towards at all in his work.
[01:06:10]  So I, you know, I think we would have just been friendly, uh, in friendly competition as a story.

=== Hiding Truths Instead of Scoops (02:10) ===

[01:06:15]  But I, let me tell you, let me tell you something that I spoke to a can how could I be careful here?
[01:06:24]  Uh, yeah, a somebody.
[01:06:26]  In Congress this morning.
[01:06:30]  And it was specifically, we were asked, I was asked to not go forward with a story that Joe and I intended to publish today.
[01:06:43]  And it's a blockbuster.
[01:06:44]  I mean, it's big.
[01:06:45]  It's big.
[01:06:47]  And we were, I was contacted early this morning imploring me not to publish, not to hide the truth, but that because congressional investigators were working behind the scenes to get transcripted interviews, that sort of thing under oath, that we might actually blow that possibility up.
[01:07:15]  And all they said to me was, You can't go.
[01:07:18]  They weren't saying hide the truth.
[01:07:20]  They just said, Give us two more weeks.
[01:07:23]  Give us two more weeks.
[01:07:25]  And then the work we do will certainly be supplement your work.
[01:07:31]  And then in the course of that over half hour conversation, I reminded this individual that I said, You understand that for me, this is not about getting a scoop.
[01:07:45]  Before Darren Beatty, Revolver, Gateway Pundit, anybody else, Julie Kelly, John Solomon.
[01:07:56]  This is not about a scoop for me.
[01:07:59]  This story for me is about telling the truth of who lit the fire on January 6th.
[01:08:08]  And the pipe bomb is the cornerstone, it is the foundational story of who lit the fire on January 6th.
[01:08:18]  Well, okay, we're gonna carry this on in a second.
[01:08:21]  We're gonna go raid, and now it is gonna be redacted because they're on the landing page.
[01:08:24]  So, whoever's gonna complain, go complain.

=== Redacting the January 6th Fire (01:02) ===

[01:08:26]  Rumble is glitching, says NeuroDivergent.
[01:08:28]  Don't worry about it.
[01:08:29]  Nothing I can do about it.
[01:08:31]  Raiding redacted.
[01:08:35]  I enjoy getting the break from the Iranian stuff and the catastrophic potential news of the world, but you're gonna go raid redacted.
[01:08:43]  By the way, before you leave, make sure you like, share, subscribe, all that other stuff.
[01:08:46]  We're gonna.
[01:08:47]  Um, let me see here.
[01:08:48]  Viva raid booyah.
[01:08:51]  Okay, there we go.
[01:08:52]  Uh, we're gonna go update now to Rumble exclusive or what is it, Rumble Premium?
[01:08:56]  And I'm gonna get a few more of these questions.
[01:08:57]  Oh, by the way, uh, as we do that, I want to bring this one up because yeah, it's a good point that Francis F. Charton says, Glenn could really do a really amazing thing right now.
[01:09:07]  I, I, two things that I don't know I don't know anything about that, and I don't know anything about what story you just talked about right now, which is uh, I'm now might have to ask you a few questions offline.
[01:09:18]  I won't.
[01:09:19]  Keep it secret.
[01:09:20]  All right, we're going to update and take a little QA over in Viva Barnes Law.
[01:09:24]  Locals.com and Rubble Premium.
[01:09:26]  Boom.
[01:09:27]  Steve, also, but we're still live now.
[01:09:29]  I'm going to