Viva & Barnes - Interview with Jake Engelen - Afghanistan Veteran Turned Florida Farmer
Aired: 2026-03-10
Duration: 01:08:51


=== Manny's Tail Play Progress (01:26) ===

[00:00:00]  Open question to the internet.
[00:00:02]  Judge the intelligence of the dog on the left.
[00:00:30]  That's Manny on the left and Winston on the right.
[00:00:43]  No, he's going to walk away.
[00:00:50]  Don't bite his tail.
[00:01:01]  So this is our new dog playing with our old dog and his tail more specifically.
[00:01:06]  It took about five days for Winston to tolerate Manny.
[00:01:12]  And it took about a week for Manny to feel comfortable enough with Winston to use his tail as a chew toy or a play toy.
[00:01:20]  Look how cute this is.
[00:01:25]  There you go.

=== From Military Deployment to Regenerative Farming (15:38) ===

[00:01:26]  That's it.
[00:01:26]  That was it.
[00:01:27]  That was too far.
[00:01:29]  And so everybody understands that's not a true mean snarl or growl.
[00:01:35]  That's how Winston communicates.
[00:01:39]  You're going to get it.
[00:01:40]  You're going to get it.
[00:01:43]  This is where he goes.
[00:01:46]  What did you guys do?
[00:01:47]  You touched my tail again?
[00:01:48]  Okay, you're both good.
[00:01:49]  You're good?
[00:01:50]  All right, people.
[00:01:50]  We wanted to start off with something of a palate cleanse.
[00:01:56]  Okay, good.
[00:01:56]  Good.
[00:01:56]  Okay.
[00:01:57]  So do we think that Manny is stupid?
[00:01:59]  I'm going on a limb and I'm saying the dog is actually, I don't know what intelligence means for a dog anymore.
[00:02:05]  He's He seems to be easily trainable.
[00:02:06]  He sits now on command, which is fantastic.
[00:02:08]  And he comes to his name.
[00:02:09]  And we've only had him for a couple of weeks.
[00:02:11]  Winston, who I think is much more intelligent, does not abide by any form of command.
[00:02:16]  All right, people.
[00:02:17]  Starting off with something totally random.
[00:02:19]  We are live, and I'm going to double check that we are live on vivabarnslaw.locals.com.
[00:02:25]  Live on Rumble.
[00:02:26]  I don't know if we've got raided yet.
[00:02:27]  I know the quartering is up and we've got a good crowd already watching.
[00:02:31]  We're going to, I mean, like, we're not going to talk about the specific news items of the day today.
[00:02:37]  And some of you might get frustrated.
[00:02:39]  I'm getting a little fatigued with the news cycle, and it ends up being everybody talking about the same things all day long.
[00:02:47]  And I want to talk about something relatively new.
[00:02:49]  It's not totally new because I've interviewed Jake England in the past.
[00:02:54]  He's a veteran, two deployments to Afghanistan, came back to Florida to do regenerative, well, do regenerative farming after a career in investment banking.
[00:03:06]  And he operates a farm up the streets, Coastal Pasture Farm.
[00:03:11]  And we've now known of them and we've been going there, I think, consistently for close to two years, I think, at least a year and a half, at least nine months.
[00:03:18]  And at that time, when I did that interview back in May on my birthday, we'd been going there for a while.
[00:03:22]  We homeschool one of our kids.
[00:03:24]  So we go there every Friday, or my wife takes the kids every Friday as part of this is learning.
[00:03:27]  And it's amazing.
[00:03:28]  Jake is amazing.
[00:03:30]  And we're going to talk about a number of things, you know, his deployment to Afghanistan, coming back here and now trying to do regenerative farming and the obstacles that he's facing, which would surprise you given the fact that we live in the free state of Florida.
[00:03:45]  And Palm Beach County, though it exists within the free state of Florida, there are obstacles to small regenerative farming that are basically obstacles that only favor big, ag, and big farms.
[00:03:59]  And we've been talking about it with Barnes up in Pennsylvania with the Amish.
[00:04:02]  It's something of a trend throughout these United States of America that needs to be put on somewhat more of a blast.
[00:04:08]  And so we're going to take a little break from the news, although it's definitely going to come back to it a little bit because now I get to ask some broader questions.
[00:04:16]  When I last interviewed Jake, it was on site on the farm.
[00:04:19]  I'll give everybody the link at some point during the stream.
[00:04:22]  We're going to talk about some serious stuff right now.
[00:04:24]  So without further ado, we're going to bring in Jake.
[00:04:27]  Jake, I'm bringing him in in three, two, one.
[00:04:29]  Sir, how goes the battle?
[00:04:32]  Oh, it's going well.
[00:04:32]  How are you?
[00:04:33]  Very good.
[00:04:34]  Jake, okay, I'm going to make sure that our audio levels are good.
[00:04:36]  I didn't want to bungle too much of your introduction.
[00:04:39]  I know that I'm not down with military terms if I say he did two deployments and someone's going to say, you don't do deployments.
[00:04:45]  You are deployed.
[00:04:46]  Jake, tell the world who may not have met you yet.
[00:04:50]  And I suspect the vast majority of the people watching have not seen our other video.
[00:04:54]  Tell us who you are.
[00:04:57]  Where do you want me to start?
[00:04:58]  Let's start with the, well, start with the beginning.
[00:05:00]  Born, raised, parents, and then how you got, you didn't get drafted.
[00:05:05]  You enlisted in the military at the age of 17 and deployed to Afghanistan at the age of 19.
[00:05:10]  Let's start there, I guess.
[00:05:12]  Yeah, I was born in England, just 20 minutes south of London.
[00:05:16]  My mom married an American, and then I was raised kind of in rural Minnesota, a little bit in New York.
[00:05:22]  And then I was stationed in Hawaii and I did back-to-back combat deployments in 2010 and 2012 out of Hawaii to Afghanistan and back.
[00:05:36]  Okay, for you, I didn't realize you were born in London.
[00:05:38]  You come back here.
[00:05:39]  You've got an interesting story with your father, which we may or may not get into just out of TV.
[00:05:44]  It's a wild tale, but it might be too much of a detour.
[00:05:47]  Tell us what happened with your dad.
[00:05:51]  My real father died in prison in Spain, and he was on the run from the FBI for a number of years back in 2008 when the internet was getting going.
[00:05:59]  Or I guess we still already had internet, but it was very popular.
[00:06:02]  2008 was the advent of the iPhone and something about online pharmacy and laundering money to Spain.
[00:06:10]  Laundering money to Spain because there's no extradition.
[00:06:12]  And I say it's not, I think.
[00:06:13]  There's no extradition.
[00:06:14]  Yeah.
[00:06:15]  So your dad gets, and it's not funny in any sense that I, you know, I'm not laughing.
[00:06:19]  No, it's a wild story.
[00:06:19]  We can.
[00:06:20]  It's a wild story.
[00:06:21]  And, you know, when we talked about it last year, your dad was on the run from the FBI, launders money through Spain after some online pharmaceutical business, which may or may not have been legal.
[00:06:31]  No extradition, but ends up dying in jail in Spain, much like John McAfee, who was also detained in Spain.
[00:06:38]  And that might explain or at least give an indication of, you know, a life, a very interesting childhood growing up.
[00:06:46]  How did you, you enrolled in the army at the age of 17?
[00:06:51]  I enlisted at 19.
[00:06:53]  19.
[00:06:53]  So I listed at 19.
[00:06:54]  Yeah, I was 18 and then basic training, 18, 19, and then already in Afghanistan at 19.
[00:07:00]  So I suppose I was 18.
[00:07:01]  Yeah.
[00:07:02]  What is basic training like?
[00:07:05]  Oh, I suppose it just you kind of get stripped down and learn to work as a team.
[00:07:10]  Strips out your individuality.
[00:07:12]  And how much basic training washing?
[00:07:16]  Shaving the heads like what we see in the movies is relatively accurate.
[00:07:19]  Everywhere.
[00:07:19]  Beratement, belittlement, so that you lose your individual identity and then work together as a co-hesiant unit.
[00:07:26]  How much basic training goes in before you're deployed to call it hell on earth, not because it's Afghanistan, but because it's a war?
[00:07:32]  How much training do you get?
[00:07:34]  Three months of basic training.
[00:07:36]  Then it was, I went to the school of infantry.
[00:07:41]  I want to say that was six weeks.
[00:07:43]  And then you hit the fleet and then you do kind of a six to eight month what they call a workup, just means you're with your unit training specifically for a theater, which mine was Afghanistan.
[00:07:54]  And you're 18, 19 years old.
[00:07:56]  You've done this training and you are shipped off from Hawaii straight to where?
[00:08:01]  I mean, I can only think of a couple of places offhand in Afghanistan.
[00:08:04]  Oh, I think we take a stop in Germany and then after, or sorry, we went to Alaska and then Alaska, Germany, Germany, Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan.
[00:08:13]  So it takes a while to get there.
[00:08:15]  When you land in Afghanistan, first of all, just a technical question I was thinking of, like you're on a military plane with your with, I know you say collies, but with your team, you're on, you're on a military plane.
[00:08:28]  Like, what is that possibly like the route to Afghanistan?
[00:08:33]  Well, you take a pretty large plane, a C-130.
[00:08:35]  Sorry, I live on a farm and there's tons of flies around there.
[00:08:38]  You can't open a door and not get flies in here.
[00:08:41]  You got to get a chicken in there.
[00:08:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:42]  I got to get a chicken in there to eat these flies.
[00:08:47]  Yeah, so we took a we took a relatively large plane into the middle of the desert to a place called Camp Leatherneck.
[00:08:54]  Massive base, not much happening there.
[00:08:56]  It's literally in the middle of the desert.
[00:08:58]  And then from there, you take a smaller plane or a different aircraft into a smaller base.
[00:09:04]  Camp Leatherneck, because of the amount of sun you get on the back of your neck, it ends up looking like leather?
[00:09:09]  Yeah, it's a, I guess, a nickname for Marines, Leatherneck.
[00:09:13]  So they name a bunch of bases, different nicknames.
[00:09:16]  Now, I don't want to say comrades because that's a communist word, but your military team.
[00:09:24]  Are people nervous?
[00:09:24]  Are they nauseous?
[00:09:25]  Are they throwing up?
[00:09:26]  Are they excited?
[00:09:26]  Do they have any idea what they're getting themselves into?
[00:09:30]  We had no idea what we were getting ourselves into, that's for sure.
[00:09:33]  But you go with guys that have, like all of my seniors that I went with had been on prior Iraq deployments.
[00:09:41]  So they know what's going on.
[00:09:43]  Relatively.
[00:09:44]  And so you get down there and you go through Germany, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan.
[00:09:48]  You get to Afghanistan.
[00:09:49]  Is there an oh shit moment?
[00:09:51]  What the hell have I gotten myself into?
[00:09:55]  No, the Marine Corps does a pretty good job training you.
[00:09:57]  So your training kind of kicks in and your mind picks it up later.
[00:10:01]  And so, and the first deployment, what was involved in that first deployment?
[00:10:06]  Or what were some of the experiences that you went through?
[00:10:09]  A lot of clearing operations, a lot of small arms, firefights, IEDs.
[00:10:17]  The Hilo got shot down, helicopter got shot down.
[00:10:20]  So you do that.
[00:10:21]  How long is your first deployment?
[00:10:24]  Nine months.
[00:10:24]  Sorry, sorry, seven months.
[00:10:26]  Seven months.
[00:10:26]  Then you come back.
[00:10:28]  Where do you go back to?
[00:10:28]  How long are you back mainland for before you go back for deployment to?
[00:10:32]  Hawaii, six months, a couple of weeks off, then six months more training and then back out there.
[00:10:38]  And the second time you went back out, you were a squad leader.
[00:10:42]  At Mountain Squad, yep.
[00:10:44]  What is now because you mentioned that to me the last time and then I fully didn't appreciate what it means.
[00:10:49]  What does that mean?
[00:10:49]  And what are oh, I just had 12 or 13 guys under my charge.
[00:10:55]  And that means when you go to do daily operations, you're the person they take direction from and you're responsible for these men and women.
[00:11:05]  Just men, but yeah.
[00:11:08]  Is it I didn't ask I asked you this the last time.
[00:11:14]  You come back after all.
[00:11:16]  You've seen you've the I presume that you've seen things that are a lay person will never understand.
[00:11:23]  And you go through these experiences.
[00:11:25]  When I asked you the last time, I said, you come back to America and what do they give you to by way of training, by way of anything before you get back into civilian life?
[00:11:34]  And you said, a two-hour course and then you're on your own as a citizen.
[00:11:39]  Yeah.
[00:11:40]  Two-hour PowerPoint presentation where you, I don't know, wear business casual attire and they say, This is the VA, call them.
[00:11:48]  That's basically go to college, use your GI bill, things like this.
[00:11:51]  How old are you when you got out of your second deployment?
[00:11:56]  20, I was 21, but I had a couple more months left on my contract, so I got out of the Marine Corps 22.
[00:12:03]  And then you come back to 23, sorry, long time ago for me now.
[00:12:08]  How old are you now?
[00:12:09]  36.
[00:12:10]  Yeah, you're still a young, a young baby.
[00:12:12]  Look at all that, that black, that dark beard.
[00:12:15]  Okay, so you come back early 20s after all of this.
[00:12:18]  I still just can't get over the two-hour, and now you're on your own.
[00:12:22]  What, what is, if I may ask the very personal question, like, do you transition back to this?
[00:12:27]  Do you, do you have nightmares?
[00:12:29]  Do you, do you wake up thinking you're back in Afghanistan?
[00:12:35]  Are the facilities or are the, you know, what they offer veterans, is it, is it adequate?
[00:12:39]  Is it wholly inadequate?
[00:12:41]  Are the rest of us, you know, ill-informed as to what they do offer adequate or not?
[00:12:47]  They just push a lot of pharmaceuticals.
[00:12:49]  So there's an umbrella of PTSD symptoms after you got back a war, like lack of sleep and anxiety and depression and also a plethora of them, right?
[00:12:59]  And they just kind of throw you a pill at each one.
[00:13:03]  Is the is the tendency for everyone to take those pills?
[00:13:06]  Or I mean, I guess there's some natural, natural alternatives, but is that what most veterans do when they get back or drink or do drugs?
[00:13:16]  Yeah.
[00:13:18]  Yeah.
[00:13:18]  I think the suicide rate is seven times the average or the national average of non of non-veterans.
[00:13:25]  And okay, that's wild.
[00:13:27]  So you come back after this.
[00:13:29]  Now, I know you went into investment banking and you said it was the worst worst job you've ever had, but this is going to get into how you got into regenerative farming.
[00:13:36]  Your transition back to civilian life, was it tumultuous or was it relatively smooth?
[00:13:43]  Oh, I guess where I'm sitting now, it went well.
[00:13:47]  But I guess when I was going through it, it was kind of tumultuous.
[00:13:49]  Yeah.
[00:13:49]  You just got to kind of deal with all this stuff yourself.
[00:13:51]  But I turned to like natural remedies, you know, meditation and oh, eating clean.
[00:13:57]  And I barely drink now.
[00:13:59]  If it is, it's a glass of wine or a beer.
[00:14:00]  I don't do any hard drugs.
[00:14:02]  So I decided to go the opposite way rather than into all of that.
[00:14:08]  It took me a number of years.
[00:14:09]  It didn't, it didn't not take me some time.
[00:14:12]  And are there, I don't want to say not like not focus groups, but are there group meetings of veterans who meet and discuss how they cope among themselves?
[00:14:23]  Yeah, there's definitely group therapy at the VA.
[00:14:26]  I never went, but yeah, there's a bunch of different therapy options that you can take at the VA.
[00:14:31]  And I don't know if they work or not.
[00:14:36]  My solace really came from the farm and being outside and getting my hands in the dirt and working all day and building a team here on the farm of people that I trust.
[00:14:44]  And I kind of live in the bubble now.
[00:14:45]  You know, I don't know if that's from the war or not, but it's where I found peace.
[00:14:51]  How long did you do investment banking?
[00:14:52]  It was in, it was in Boca, right?
[00:14:54]  Yeah.
[00:14:55]  At a Boca investment.
[00:14:56]  Chicago-based fund, but I was in the Boca office.
[00:14:59]  Yeah.
[00:14:59]  How many years did you do that for?
[00:15:02]  Three and a half or four years.
[00:15:04]  Okay, that's cool.
[00:15:06]  And then how the heck do you get into farming?
[00:15:09]  Where you, I, I, I mean, you're going to let everybody know where the, where the farm is, what the, what the future projects are, but how on earth do you make, how do you go, you go from the military to investment banking to um regenerative farming.
[00:15:22]  How do you make the jump from the investment banking to the regenerative farming?
[00:15:27]  They're all connected.
[00:15:28]  Uh, well, so I suppose I had enough money to buy really clean food.
[00:15:31]  And one of the items had a lot of anxiety after the war, and I didn't want to spike my blood sugar.
[00:15:38]  So I started eating really healthy.
[00:15:40]  Well, I started eating healthy kind of 2010, but really getting into nutrition once I got out.
[00:15:45]  And then really learned about regenerative farming quite a long time ago, probably, you know, 2010, 2012.
[00:15:53]  And then it kind of always stuck with me.
[00:15:56]  And then when I was on the trading floor, I had the funds to ship in all my food from the Amish.
[00:16:02]  So I was doing that.
[00:16:03]  And it was kind of a natural transition.
[00:16:05]  I was living with my ex-girlfriend at the time and I completely regenerated the soil at her place.
[00:16:09]  And then we started growing a bunch of our own food.
[00:16:11]  Then we got chickens.
[00:16:13]  And I hated my job.
[00:16:14]  And then I read a bunch of farming books and I found a model that was could work economically, you know, not conventional farming where your margins are razor thin and you've got tons of debt, but something else.
[00:16:28]  And a buddy of mine I sat next to at the desk, I don't know if it's, you know, God or the universe, but something all the pieces that I needed got put together.
[00:16:40]  So the guy I sat next to at the desk had some, had a plot of land a little bit north of us.
[00:16:46]  And I said, let me use it to raise some chickens.
[00:16:49]  And then I used to drive up there every day, 45 minutes, and raise a few chickens and try and sell them to my friends.
[00:16:54]  And then one thing spiraled to another.
[00:16:56]  And now I got, I don't know, 1,500 chickens.
[00:16:57]  And we just lamb this morning and tons of bees.
[00:17:01]  Very cool.
[00:17:01]  Yeah, I see the transition.
[00:17:02]  Yeah.
[00:17:03]  Well, that's it's amazing.

=== From Jiu-Jitsu to 1,500 Chickens (04:18) ===

[00:17:04]  When you do you go through a period of physical unhealthiness, do you put on weight when you come back from the military when you get into this job?
[00:17:12]  Or, or was there any no, no, I, I, I, along with the nutrition, I always stayed in shape.
[00:17:20]  It was good for my anxiety and my sleep and things like that.
[00:17:22]  So I that's what I was gonna ask you.
[00:17:23]  So psychologically, psychologically, you notice if there's a, a, a, an improvement to eating food that is actually healthy food.
[00:17:32]  Oh, yeah.
[00:17:32]  Yeah, that's for me personally.
[00:17:34]  Yeah, that was obvious.
[00:17:36]  And I trained a lot of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
[00:17:38]  They should really prescribe this at the VA because you reach a level of violence at war, right?
[00:17:43]  And then you come back and you've got to like go to a freshman college class and you just sit there and feel like a monster with all these 18-year-old kids, you know?
[00:17:52]  So you got to have some kind of outlet.
[00:17:54]  And yeah, jiu-jitsu was that for me.
[00:17:57]  And then there's a bunch of healthy people there, also eating healthy, also exercising.
[00:18:00]  So it was a good community for me to get into early on.
[00:18:04]  When you come back, do you come back straight from Afghanistan?
[00:18:08]  Do you go back to Hawaii?
[00:18:10]  Is there some sort of like not relocation, but do you spend some time on base before you come back to like just an apartment in a city?
[00:18:19]  Yeah.
[00:18:20]  Yeah.
[00:18:20]  I had quite a few months back on base.
[00:18:22]  Okay, that's wild.
[00:18:24]  All right.
[00:18:24]  Now, so, okay, what is regenerative farming?
[00:18:26]  I've had on Joel, we had on Joel Salton like a while.
[00:18:29]  That was a legend.
[00:18:29]  Yeah, I can't do justice to anything that guy says.
[00:18:33]  Well, and the problem is, like, I didn't know, I didn't know enough to even.
[00:18:36]  I mean, I'd say, like, in retrospect, if I know now what I knew, if I knew then what I knew now, I could have probably asked some more questions.
[00:18:42]  But, you know, for those who don't fully appreciate what regenerative farming is in a paragraph in a page, what is it?
[00:18:49]  Yeah, it's essentially soil-focused.
[00:18:52]  So the more soil microbiome and the more life you have in the soil, the better the plants, the better the vegetables you are eating, or the better the legumes and grass that ruminant animals eat or chickens eat, the healthier the animal.
[00:19:07]  I would say it like that.
[00:19:08]  So if you spray a bunch of chemicals on the soil, it kills the soil.
[00:19:11]  You want living soil.
[00:19:12]  It is a vast network of all sorts of communication and you want to keep that intact.
[00:19:18]  And chemicals and bare soil kill that.
[00:19:22]  Okay.
[00:19:22]  Now, could you tell us?
[00:19:24]  I don't think most people fully appreciate what goes on at what we call the big ag farms in terms of when we were talking the last time, you say you keep the soil of the chickens clean so that you require less antibiotics or less vaccines for the animals.
[00:19:37]  What goes on at these big farms where the animals live in squalor and then the care, say the care, the medication that needs to be implemented in order to prevent illness from squalor conditions?
[00:19:48]  Yeah, I use this term when I give farm tours on the farm.
[00:19:53]  You wouldn't leave your baby in a dirty diaper, right?
[00:19:57]  Because it will get sick.
[00:19:58]  So if you just move the animals, animals naturally move in nature.
[00:20:03]  So we practice something called daily rotation and we just rotate the animals every day.
[00:20:07]  And then it turns out you don't need vaccine or medication.
[00:20:11]  Okay.
[00:20:12]  Pretty much that simple.
[00:20:13]  Yeah.
[00:20:13]  It seems like this really obvious thing, but most conventional farms just stick 60,000 birds inside and they live in their own fecal particulate and pump them with a bunch of hormones and medication.
[00:20:24]  And that's what we're eating.
[00:20:28]  That's another thing that I've never fully appreciated or never truly appreciated.
[00:20:31]  I thought protein was protein.
[00:20:32]  It didn't matter how it got there.
[00:20:34]  What are the benefits?
[00:20:35]  I say nutrient benefits or any visible differences.
[00:20:38]  Set aside how much better it is for the animals.
[00:20:41]  What are the differences that translate into the quality of the food that you're getting?
[00:20:46]  Well, I think nutritional density, you can read all of studies on most regenerative practices.
[00:20:53]  I think the nutritional quality is vastly higher.
[00:20:58]  Not only that, I mean, you can see a visual difference.
[00:21:00]  For instance, the beef we carry on the farm is hinted yellow because they eat grass and not grain and corn.
[00:21:06]  And then same with the chickens.
[00:21:10]  Sorry, I've just got distracted by a comment.
[00:21:13]  A comment says, Viva Fry is such a fag Zionist, Bob.
[00:21:17]  This is why you're not.
[00:21:17]  I'm reading the chat to see if I got any meaningful questions, not pure distraction garbage.
[00:21:21]  Sure.
[00:21:22]  Nutritionally better.

=== Bureaucracy vs. Small Farms (15:42) ===

[00:21:23]  The question is, this, how did you end up in Florida?
[00:21:26]  Well, you ended up in Florida after having worked at the investment banking.
[00:21:30]  You say you're going to do farming here.
[00:21:31]  Did you, spoiling the lead here?
[00:21:36]  You've been running into some problems with a bureaucracy that seems to favor the big farms over the small farms.
[00:21:43]  When you initially decided that you're going to do farming in Florida, did you anticipate running into the problems that you have run into since starting?
[00:21:50]  No, I mean, first and foremost, I thought I was in the United States of America, right?
[00:21:54]  So, and then secondly, I thought I was in Florida.
[00:21:57]  You know, it's like us in Idaho, the last hope.
[00:21:59]  I think Texas might, who knows?
[00:22:01]  But yeah, I thought it was the maybe the last hope for the globe.
[00:22:06]  And it turns out they want to know what you think and they want to know how many times you wipe your ass and, you know, what color your underwear is.
[00:22:17]  And so now, I mean, I know some of the stuff that you've been through, but since operating, so just tell us a bit of the headache that you've run into.
[00:22:25]  You're renting a plot of land from the landowner.
[00:22:28]  And from what I understand from day one, the landowner himself has been having problems because of zoning issues, the Palm Beach County dragging its feet or sending its henchmen.
[00:22:38]  Elaborate that and we're going to get into the victory that you had yesterday self-representing.
[00:22:44]  Yeah, they are the mafia.
[00:22:46]  They are.
[00:22:47]  That's the only way I can, they send their people and give you fines and you can fight it in court.
[00:22:53]  I'm a small farm.
[00:22:53]  It's not like we have boatloads of spare lawyer money to do this kind of stuff.
[00:22:58]  And it turns out there's sets of state laws that protect farmers from this exact thing.
[00:23:07]  And for the past two years, they didn't really seem to care.
[00:23:11]  I've tried to get them to read this document.
[00:23:14]  I don't know how many times.
[00:23:16]  And then after two years and 14 fines and four magistrate hearings and a violation never turned into an actual fine that I had to pay because I just called and said, hey, this isn't right.
[00:23:26]  But yet they come and they keep coming and they keep coming.
[00:23:30]  And I just got fed up with it.
[00:23:32]  I called the mayor, I called the congressman, and they set a meeting with all the district heads of the county.
[00:23:37]  And then I had that meeting yesterday.
[00:23:39]  And I opened actually the piece of legislation is called Florida's Right to Farm.
[00:23:44]  Essentially, a two-part document.
[00:23:46]  One is about nuisance laws and protecting farmers from nuisance laws or nuisance lawsuits.
[00:23:52]  And then the other is how local bureaucracy really can't interfere or they can't supersede the state and hit us twice with the same bureaucracy, right?
[00:24:04]  The state is handling essentially the majority of the things that go on the farm and the county can't interject in that.
[00:24:15]  Sorry, I was trying to find my words there.
[00:24:17]  Yeah, no, don't worry.
[00:24:18]  And I'm trying to understand, like, what I know of the types of fines that they've issued, but I mean, tell us the types of things that the Palm Beach County, because it's not state level, but this is county level that you've been getting the most headaches from?
[00:24:31]  Correct.
[00:24:31]  First question: The state wants farms.
[00:24:34]  The State Department of Ag are fantastic.
[00:24:36]  They just, yeah, they want small farms.
[00:24:41]  Palm Beach County has an economic incentive to concrete the entire world and put up massive housing developments because there's no tax on a farm, right?
[00:24:48]  There's no sale tax on food goods in Florida and a property tax on ag property or bona fide ag property like mine is $500 an acre.
[00:24:58]  So you're really not getting much relative to these massive housing developments.
[00:25:02]  Okay, that's very interesting because I was going to ask what the incentive was and if it's political or not.
[00:25:08]  And we all tend to think that Republicans.
[00:25:10]  Politics and money, you know.
[00:25:11]  Well, that's it.
[00:25:12]  So, and just as a matter of fact, Palm Beach County tends to be a little bit more blue than red, I think, last election or much more.
[00:25:20]  And then the only question: is it politics or is it money?
[00:25:24]  And it's probably a bit of both because one leads into the other.
[00:25:28]  And so the rationale, and I've seen people objecting to the fact that, you know, the Boca as an area is just one development after another.
[00:25:35]  Palm Beach County itself also, you know, you don't make money off farms and you make money off massive developments.
[00:25:43]  The state is booming and Palm Beach County is booming.
[00:25:46]  And so what sort of headaches has Palm Beach County been giving you?
[00:25:52]  They fined the land owner because it wasn't zoned agricultural because they dragged their feet to zoned agricultural.
[00:25:59]  Yeah, I think the ag deadline is January 1st.
[00:26:03]  And I first entered the lease on January 7th, although my lease date was the December prior.
[00:26:11]  And I just had to clear some land and then ended up being six days late.
[00:26:16]  So they didn't give him the ag designation for a six-day period.
[00:26:20]  So you don't get it for the whole year.
[00:26:22]  So he ended up paying whatever his tax was on that this year, or sorry, two years ago.
[00:26:30]  And then all of the violations started coming because instead of a farm, it was a vacant lot.
[00:26:34]  Although Palm Beach County issued me a business license, so how could the lot be like if you can, if I can legally run a business here, how could it possibly be vacant?
[00:26:43]  And they started fining me for like piles of wood chips and fencing.
[00:26:46]  Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's it's nuts, it's nuts.
[00:26:48]  And then they put the magistrate hearing six months out and I took a picture of the pile of wood chips when they gave me the fine.
[00:26:54]  And I said, by the time the magistrate hearing is done, these would have decomposed into soil.
[00:26:57]  And that's what happened.
[00:26:58]  So I took a picture of the exact same place and say, tell me where the pile of wood chips is.
[00:27:01]  And that went away.
[00:27:02]  It's like, it's insane.
[00:27:04]  These people have lost their way.
[00:27:06]  And we had, I think we had 12 violations the first year.
[00:27:09]  And then they were trying to fine me $1,000 a day per lot.
[00:27:12]  So it was after the first month, it was 60 grand.
[00:27:15]  And they were fining you for having a trailer on the property?
[00:27:20]  Yeah.
[00:27:20]  So the law is very, you're a lawyer, or you were a lawyer.
[00:27:25]  The law is very specific.
[00:27:26]  They use a word called aperture.
[00:27:28]  So any aperture related to agriculture, I can use.
[00:27:32]  So we were using it as like an office.
[00:27:33]  And since we didn't have any structures here at the time, I have, you know, I have female employees.
[00:27:37]  So if they need to change for whatever reason to leave work or something, they just wanted me to have them do that out in the open, I guess.
[00:27:46]  Okay.
[00:27:48]  Yeah.
[00:27:50]  It's insane.
[00:27:50]  You can't ration.
[00:27:51]  You can't ration with these people, right?
[00:27:52]  And not even rationalize.
[00:27:55]  I have neighbors that have themselves, there's trailers down the street.
[00:27:59]  There's oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:01]  They told me that they can't have a trailer anywhere in Palm Beach County.
[00:28:04]  And I said, you can't have a trailer on a farm in Florida.
[00:28:08]  Like you've lost your mind.
[00:28:11]  What was the one that they gave you about disposing of the chicken blood?
[00:28:16]  Oh, this was we're setting up a processing facility on a different farm.
[00:28:20]  By the way, nine months to get an answer from the Department of Health.
[00:28:23]  Nine months.
[00:28:24]  What was the question?
[00:28:24]  My lease is only three months.
[00:28:26]  We just wanted to tie into the SEPIC.
[00:28:27]  Yeah, no, no, sorry.
[00:28:28]  My lease was only three years.
[00:28:29]  So that's a third of my lease.
[00:28:31]  Thank you for that.
[00:28:34]  You can't grow your business, right?
[00:28:36]  For a third of the lease, right?
[00:28:37]  And I have a land price here is so expensive.
[00:28:41]  I have a real finite opportunity to grow this in order to afford the mortgage.
[00:28:45]  Like I don't take a paycheck from the farm just to try and get money just to afford the land, right?
[00:28:50]  But they want to take nine months to give you an answer.
[00:28:52]  It's crazy.
[00:28:53]  But sorry, what was your question?
[00:28:55]  Well, and so what were they requiring you to do with the disposal of chicken blood?
[00:28:59]  Oh, yeah.
[00:28:59]  So we got, we got, we ended up talking to like, I think nine or 10 different departments, and they ended up bringing in a department.
[00:29:08]  I can't remember the name, like toxic waste.
[00:29:11]  They wanted us to put in like a $400,000 toxic waste tank for like 50 chickens a week or something.
[00:29:19]  It was crazy.
[00:29:20]  And then you have to get it pumped like three times a week.
[00:29:22]  And I don't know.
[00:29:24]  That's another $150,000 a year.
[00:29:26]  And then turns out they were wrong.
[00:29:28]  And then we got something called a variance.
[00:29:30]  And it was like a really easy process, but nobody knows.
[00:29:32]  And none of these departments speak to each other, I've noticed.
[00:29:36]  So during this meeting, I met the mayor helped me out.
[00:29:40]  And I met with all the district heads of all the departments.
[00:29:42]  So like code and zoning and building and everyone was there.
[00:29:46]  And I opened it with how many people have read Florida Right to Farm?
[00:29:50]  And somebody answered me.
[00:29:51]  I'm not going to say her name, but somebody answered me, a district head.
[00:29:54]  She said many times.
[00:29:55]  And I said, oh, that's fantastic.
[00:29:57]  Tell me the two main points of the piece of legislation.
[00:30:01]  Silence.
[00:30:02]  And then they said, why don't you tell us?
[00:30:04]  Because you clearly know.
[00:30:05]  And I said, that's not the question.
[00:30:08]  You know, this is who you're dealing with.
[00:30:10]  Seriously.
[00:30:10]  So you've read the document many times.
[00:30:12]  You don't care.
[00:30:12]  I had to get a letter from the general counsel of the Department of Ag explaining Florida Right to Farm.
[00:30:18]  And then I gave that to all of them.
[00:30:20]  And I said, let's sit down and read this before we even begin.
[00:30:22]  Because you guys don't know.
[00:30:24]  You don't know what you can and cannot do.
[00:30:26]  And you're forcing me to do all of these things and get all of these permits, which are completely illegal.
[00:30:31]  So I had the, I don't know if the congressman wants me to mention his name either, but he helped me out.
[00:30:37]  His team did a little investigation.
[00:30:38]  He told me I was right.
[00:30:39]  The State Department of Ag told me I was right.
[00:30:41]  And both of them recommended that I sue the county over this.
[00:30:45]  It's like essentially a rights violation.
[00:30:46]  But anyway, we came to a consensus yesterday and it's all good.
[00:30:50]  And it was a good day yesterday.
[00:30:53]  So I wonder why the state wouldn't do it if they could do it for and on your behalf.
[00:31:00]  But the bottom line, Palm Beach wants developments.
[00:31:05]  These developments go up.
[00:31:06]  I mean, can you sensitize the broader community to the environmental and waste consequences of these developments?
[00:31:13]  Because I know you fully appreciate it until I've crazy, right?
[00:31:17]  Just look up the toxicity of cement, right?
[00:31:21]  So anytime you build a cement bridge over a canal, all of that cement particulate goes into that canal and that leaches straight into the water that we drink.
[00:31:28]  Straight into it.
[00:31:29]  Not maybe 100% does.
[00:31:33]  That's just, that's just, that's just concrete, right?
[00:31:37]  And they pour tons of it.
[00:31:42]  And then the other, the bottom line question to all of this is, it certainly, if it doesn't benefit big agriculture, it penalizes small agriculture, which indirectly and inherently benefits the big ag.
[00:31:55]  Do they have the same requirements or do they just have the budgets and the means and the exploiting of cheap labor to deal with these additional costs of business?
[00:32:04]  Yeah, I mean, the exam, I mean, you can drive down the road here and try and get into a farm and you will be met with a security gate.
[00:32:10]  So local, local, local bureaucrats can't even get on the property without meeting a team of lawyers, right?
[00:32:19]  They don't even speak to these people that run the company.
[00:32:21]  They only speak to their legal team.
[00:32:23]  Like I showed up and represented myself yesterday.
[00:32:27]  So yeah, I think I agree with you and I think it's also obvious, right?
[00:32:33]  Of course.
[00:32:34]  So when you're starting out and you're getting this much harassment from local bureaucrats, I guess a pro I'm not a legal expert here, but if there are state rules that supersede county rules, then if they break those rules, that is illegal.
[00:32:54]  One would think.
[00:32:54]  I mean, this was one of my arguments during COVID when some of the provinces were violating charter rights.
[00:33:02]  The feds can take action against the province.
[00:33:04]  I would imagine it's the same sort of hierarchy that the state.
[00:33:07]  I mean, I don't know how it works in the states.
[00:33:09]  If counties can implement rules that are specific to the counties that derogate from state law, are there any other, are there better counties or worse counties in the state of Florida that you know of to do farming?
[00:33:20]  Worse than Palm Beach County?
[00:33:21]  No.
[00:33:22]  There is no worse.
[00:33:25]  I don't want to say her name either.
[00:33:26]  The ag developer for the county, her words, it's impossible to start a farm in Palm Beach County.
[00:33:33]  That's a sad state of affairs.
[00:33:34]  It really is.
[00:33:35]  You can't start a small farm.
[00:33:36]  Like, I can't go to war for my country and then come back and start a small farm.
[00:33:40]  She said, it's impossible because of the red tape.
[00:33:42]  This is why I called the mayor and called this meeting.
[00:33:44]  When she says that, is she saying that with disappointment or with pride?
[00:33:48]  No, no, disappointment.
[00:33:49]  She's awesome.
[00:33:50]  She's helped me out the whole way.
[00:33:51]  Yeah, she's the best.
[00:33:53]  There are people that care out there.
[00:33:56]  Of course, like any group of people, you get good and bad people.
[00:33:58]  But I'm trying to put my finger on what is the root cause of this because people come out and then I explain this to them and I say, hey, listen, you should read this document.
[00:34:07]  And then they say stuff like, I'm just doing my job or let me come and help you.
[00:34:11]  And then they'll come with their cameras and I invited them all on my farm, all of these senior representatives.
[00:34:16]  And I even asked them, I said, can you just name the statute that I'm breaking?
[00:34:19]  I don't want to break the law.
[00:34:20]  I want to be a law-abiding citizen.
[00:34:21]  If I need to actually fill out something for you guys, I'm happy to do so.
[00:34:25]  I did it yesterday in the meeting, right after I had to fill out a bunch of stuff and they wanted it done and I did it.
[00:34:29]  No problem.
[00:34:30]  But I told them this in the meeting yesterday as well.
[00:34:34]  I was like, my friends didn't die in Afghanistan in order for any local government to, you know, deny the rights, especially of farmers in this country, right?
[00:34:46]  Everyone talks about being ag-friendly.
[00:34:48]  Everyone talks about it.
[00:34:49]  I've never heard somebody say, I'm not ag-friendly, right?
[00:34:51]  Everybody talks about it.
[00:34:52]  And then I just told them, I said, hey, look, you have an opportunity to be ag-friendly here.
[00:34:57]  Not just say it.
[00:34:58]  Actually do it.
[00:35:01]  I don't know if you know this offhand and I'll try to find the figures, but in Palm Beach County, how much, what proportion of farmland is even left?
[00:35:08]  I mean, I know you're up on the 441 and you're on the glades.
[00:35:14]  Yeah, the west side of the glade side.
[00:35:16]  So it's difficult for anything to be built up there, but I guess that property itself could be built up on.
[00:35:21]  But you're on the west side, which means I'm not wrong either.
[00:35:23]  Of the water flows in to um the L40 Canal or the it flows into the glades and then down, right?
[00:35:30]  So, like correct.
[00:35:31]  So, when there's developments on the in let's say on the east side of the 441, all of that waste ends up going into where the farmers typically operate, which is which tends to be west of the 441.
[00:35:44]  Yeah, it all flows into each other.
[00:35:46]  I think the army, Army Corps of Engineers designed all this, right?
[00:35:50]  So, it's all interconnected.
[00:35:51]  Yeah, um, how much, what, what is the farm industry left in Palm Beach?
[00:35:58]  Well, I'm in the ag reserve, so I think in the 90s they paid a bunch of tax to keep it all farmland, but then some local bureaucrat says, uh, I think we should develop that, you know?
[00:36:10]  And then I don't, a bunch of farmers around here made a bunch of old farmers made a bunch of money, but um, maybe they didn't want to give up the farm.
[00:36:17]  I don't, I don't know, I haven't haven't spoken to them, but I guess the point is that somewhere, someone in an office can just designate your land as not ag anymore.
[00:36:24]  And now, I think the bylaws every development deal over 200 acres has to keep 40% aged, but I don't really see that happening at all, or it can go into conservation, so I'm not exactly sure how they skin that.
[00:36:35]  Maybe they build a park or something, but there's all these kind of weird laws and loopholes of trying to not make it happen.
[00:36:41]  I'm just trying to keep one small local farm in Palm Beach County because I don't think there's too many.
[00:36:46]  There's some there's some small homesteads and things, five, ten acres, but nobody on you know, like the 100 plus.
[00:36:53]  So, what is where are you at now in terms of uh in terms of business?
[00:36:56]  You got coastal pasture?
[00:36:57]  I don't know where the uh where you plan to have operations in the future.
[00:37:01]  What are you up to now in terms of uh capacity of the farm?
[00:37:03]  I know you you make there's the I forget her name now.

=== Protecting Small Farms from Development (03:38) ===

[00:37:06]  She's got the bee, the honey production on the farm, yeah, Amber's bees.
[00:37:11]  Um, or is it Anne?
[00:37:12]  Is it Anne B's?
[00:37:13]  Amber's Bees.
[00:37:13]  Ambie is the name of her company, yeah.
[00:37:15]  Yeah, she's super talented.
[00:37:16]  So, I couldn't.
[00:37:17]  When I started the farm a few years ago, I really couldn't find a chemical-free beekeeper.
[00:37:22]  And her and her friend Tucker were like the only ones I knew around here.
[00:37:27]  So, she's making you got honey being produced with honey bees on the farm.
[00:37:32]  What are your future plans?
[00:37:35]  Oh, we have 100 acres up the road in Boynton Beach.
[00:37:38]  That's in the middle of a development deal.
[00:37:39]  So, we're kind of waiting for that to get hashed out.
[00:37:41]  But we have some animals up there.
[00:37:42]  We're trying to fix the soil right now actively.
[00:37:47]  I think there's some kind of farm stand that they're building for us, an outdoor pavilion as a part of the development deal.
[00:37:54]  It's like a kicker, which is good for us.
[00:37:56]  The guy that is doing the development is awesome.
[00:37:58]  He actually has a 1500-acre regenerative ranch.
[00:38:02]  So, that's been really cool.
[00:38:05]  Otherwise, we're just opening a small farm stand.
[00:38:08]  Why I had this meeting the other day to sell my goods here on the small farm where he started.
[00:38:16]  I guess from a practical perspective, for at least locals, what can people in the area in Palm Beach in Florida do?
[00:38:23]  In our local school meeting, I just saw a question that says we need less developments in Florida, 24 million, depending on how you measure the population.
[00:38:30]  Third large, I think it's the third most populous state.
[00:38:33]  I mean, I don't know that they can develop anywhere in the Everglades, you know, west of the 441 and then east of whatever the limit is on the other side.
[00:38:42]  But there's, I mean, I just, there's development after development.
[00:38:46]  What can anybody in the area do if they want to put pressure on Palm Beach, the state, the governor, whomever to help small farmers to stop development or to protect and facilitate small small farms to operate without?
[00:39:01]  I wish I had the answer.
[00:39:03]  I wish I had the answer.
[00:39:04]  I don't know.
[00:39:05]  I mean, try and support small farms so they can grow and maybe, you know, get a legal team and not have to stay up late at night reading Palm Beach County Code and represent themselves.
[00:39:16]  You know, that's what I did for two weeks.
[00:39:19]  I read it all.
[00:39:20]  FEMA, fire.
[00:39:22]  Oh, what else?
[00:39:23]  Zoning, code enforcement.
[00:39:25]  I read it all.
[00:39:26]  Jake, I got we got so King of Bill Tong is operating out of Texas.
[00:39:30]  He was in Roanoke and had to move, I think, because of some bureaucratic nightmare there.
[00:39:36]  He says, I'll give you one, Jake.
[00:39:37]  How do you, I'll give, I'll give you one.
[00:39:39]  Jake, how do you rotate the animals and keep them from being picked off by predators?
[00:39:42]  We are considering sheep and chickens, but I'm concerned with predators.
[00:39:47]  Great question.
[00:39:48]  We use temporary electric netting, geese, and livestock guardian dogs.
[00:39:54]  So they do pretty well.
[00:39:55]  In with the chickens, you can put a couple roosters depending on how many chickens you got.
[00:39:59]  Roosters will protect a flock.
[00:40:00]  We have two geese.
[00:40:02]  Geese are pretty mean.
[00:40:05]  They're mostly loud at night.
[00:40:07]  So they don't.
[00:40:08]  We have the way in which we house chickens are on a trailer.
[00:40:12]  So they rotate.
[00:40:13]  You can actually check out Joel Salatin has a book on how to build those and a bunch of great ideas on how to rotate animals.
[00:40:19]  But yeah, essentially, temporary electric netting, geese, dogs, roosters.
[00:40:25]  Other animals will fight animals.
[00:40:27]  King of Biltong says we had to install a massive septic tank because of regulations.
[00:40:32]  It cost us $35,000 just for the septic.
[00:40:34]  It took us about a month just to get it full.
[00:40:36]  The government, it took us about a month just to get it full.
[00:40:42]  The government does not know or care.

=== Regret, Excuses, and Coyotes (05:16) ===

[00:40:45]  Well, and people don't seem to appreciate it here.
[00:40:46]  Like out in Florida, when you're on the glades, you got hawks, you got ospreys, you got we do have coyotes, or at least we have foxes, coyotes, foxes, possums, all sorts of raccoons will take a chance.
[00:40:58]  Popcats, yeah, all sorts.
[00:41:01]  It's it's amazing.
[00:41:02]  Uh, all right, now hold on a second.
[00:41:03]  We've got we got a couple of you got a night sight on your rifle and camp out with your kid or something.
[00:41:10]  That, yeah, that's uh, yeah, it's open area there.
[00:41:13]  I, when we were talking about it, you said like the chickens are good and the geese are good.
[00:41:17]  Um, but I was showing them, you know, shoot into a berm, you know.
[00:41:20]  It's still the United States.
[00:41:22]  Don't tell them that.
[00:41:22]  I mean, not having guns or I don't even want to talk about, you know, not being able to shoot on your own property.
[00:41:28]  It's crazy.
[00:41:29]  Maybe not in a residential area, but I got 100 acres.
[00:41:33]  Jake, okay, I'm going to get to a couple of questions in our locals community, but not to get to the political side of things.
[00:41:39]  I just want to get the perspective of veterans who have served.
[00:41:44]  You're seeing what's going on in the world right now.
[00:41:45]  I mean, if I may ask your personal opinion, your interpretation, and not trying to get you into trouble and not trying to, you know.
[00:41:51]  No, no, it's all right.
[00:41:52]  Yeah, ask away.
[00:41:53]  What is your perception of what's your impression or what is your view on what's going on in the world globally right now in terms of the necessity?
[00:42:01]  You've been to Afghanistan.
[00:42:03]  Do you have a different perspective or at least a view on the necessity of the interventions in Iran, the usefulness of them, whether or not this is sort of potentially, if not more likely than not, an Iraq 3.0 or an Afghanistan 2.0?
[00:42:19]  I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer the question, but I'll answer it.
[00:42:22]  I just kind of live on the bubble on the farm.
[00:42:24]  Like I said, I just started lambing this morning.
[00:42:26]  I haven't read into any of this at all.
[00:42:31]  The more I grow up or the older I get, the more I tend to just care about the community around me.
[00:42:39]  And I think if we can extend that into the United States, it would be better than going to war.
[00:42:42]  So what I mean by that is probably just take that money and spend it on American citizens and stop doing all this.
[00:42:52]  But I think the United States has been at war every decade since its inception, right?
[00:42:56]  So we are addicted to war and it is a massive money machine.
[00:42:59]  And I've got some stories to tell you.
[00:43:00]  I mean, such shady stories of Afghanistan, you know, I don't really see the point, but I don't know why we have to be the world police, you know.
[00:43:12]  If I'm, I do not say anything that you're not allowed saying that might get people into trouble or maybe even yourself.
[00:43:20]  Your experience in Afghanistan, you go down there and I ask the same, you know, I ask any of any of the veterans that we have a number of veterans in our community.
[00:43:28]  And my question is always, you know, not do you regret it?
[00:43:32]  Because it's impossible to ask someone if they regret the life that they've lived.
[00:43:36]  In retrospect, do you think it did it do anything?
[00:43:40]  I mean, did it do anything positive?
[00:43:42]  No, Absolutely not.
[00:43:46]  No.
[00:43:47]  It was an experience for me.
[00:43:48]  And I learned a lot about myself.
[00:43:49]  And that was great for me personally, but I don't.
[00:43:55]  I mean, it's better to wage war outside of these borders than inside.
[00:43:59]  I will say that.
[00:44:00]  You know, so if we're going to do it, let's do it somewhere else.
[00:44:04]  I say that, I guess, relatively selfishly because we live in such a safe place.
[00:44:10]  But I like not worrying about people invading us, you know.
[00:44:14]  But I don't think it's, I don't think there's a Reason, a valid reason to go.
[00:44:22]  I suppose if we go down a rabbit hole, I'm, I'm just, there's so much money being made, and I think these things like development and war, it's a titan you can't really, what are we going to do about it?
[00:44:37]  You know, this is, I mean, that's, I didn't want to, I try not to get too cynical.
[00:44:41]  I mean, I'm people saying I'm Canadian, so you know, shut my mouth and set aside the fact that I live in the States and this is, I do think it's the greatest country on earth, despite that 100%.
[00:44:50]  Yeah, nothing's perfect, but like it's the greatest country on earth.
[00:44:54]  And but it does seem like all roads lead to war, no matter what happens, no matter who's in charge, there's always, there's always a, there's always an excuse.
[00:45:02]  I mean, that's the thing.
[00:45:03]  And there may always be a good excuse.
[00:45:05]  And it just, you know, I'm looking at this and viewing it through.
[00:45:09]  You're 36.
[00:45:10]  So you were 17.
[00:45:12]  You were 19.
[00:45:13]  Sorry.
[00:45:14]  You're a decade.
[00:45:15]  I'm a decade older than you, but do you remember Iraq War I or Iraq War II?
[00:45:20]  Sorry?
[00:45:20]  Yeah.
[00:45:22]  It's like when I, when, when you live through it at two different periods of your life, and then you, and you, you, you view these, the similarities, and then people say, well, it's different this time because it's, it's Trump.
[00:45:32]  And then it's like, okay, it's different this time, but they said it was different the last time.
[00:45:36]  And they said the last time we have to do it now because we didn't finish it the first time.
[00:45:40]  And that's sort of the, you know, the reason now.
[00:45:43]  And then the question is only like when RFK Jr. ran for office and he, you know, he said a nation at war abroad will never be at peace at home.
[00:45:51]  And I think I understand that having now seen it.
[00:45:54]  But the um do you keep in touch with your um I don't know, you don't call them platoon your squad.

=== Regenerative Farming & Mentorship (04:41) ===

[00:46:01]  Do you know what's what's come of them since their return to uh to mainland?
[00:46:06]  I'm trying to keep in touch with a bunch of guys.
[00:46:08]  Yeah.
[00:46:08]  And is there traditionally married and living life?
[00:46:11]  And some of them are like in their mom's basement at the bottom of the bottle bottle of whiskey, you know?
[00:46:15]  So um, and if I miss, we got a question in locals, which says, who were your mentors, if any, coming from critical thoughts?
[00:46:29]  Who are my mentors?
[00:46:30]  Yes.
[00:46:31]  I mean, I'll put the Joel in here.
[00:46:33]  Yeah.
[00:46:34]  Like for farming, you mean?
[00:46:36]  Well, let's say, let's say farm.
[00:46:37]  Well, no, let's say, let's say in life.
[00:46:38]  I mean, you want the 90s bulls dream team of regenerative farming.
[00:46:41]  I got you.
[00:46:42]  I got you.
[00:46:43]  Greg Judy, Joel Salatson, Will Harris, Alan Nation.
[00:46:47]  Oh, the list goes on.
[00:46:49]  I mean, there's so many people that like have done it for so long and fought against the big ag for so long.
[00:46:57]  These guys have been doing it 30, 40 years.
[00:46:59]  I mean, they paved the way.
[00:47:03]  Is the infrastructure there to just simply they're going to be doing it for 30, 40 years and it's going to be getting more and more suppressed.
[00:47:08]  And come, I don't know, a decade from now, there's going to be no small farms left and it's going to be all big ag and vaccine jabbed up cows that Bill Gates owns.
[00:47:17]  I mean, is that where it's heading?
[00:47:19]  I hope not.
[00:47:20]  I think there's a big regenerative push now.
[00:47:22]  And everybody talks about voting with your dollar, but I think we live in a world that's so convenient now.
[00:47:27]  You know, you run to the Publix five minutes away, everything's there.
[00:47:31]  Microwave meals and cell phones and Amazon.
[00:47:35]  But I'm hoping that the pendulum swings, you know, like we grow a lot of our own food here.
[00:47:39]  And I didn't really grow up doing, well, I suppose I did.
[00:47:42]  My grandmother always had a garden and we had some stuff, but I'm hoping it swings back.
[00:47:47]  You know, a lot of people like you guys are trying to grow your own food at your house.
[00:47:50]  Your wife told me that's pretty cool.
[00:47:52]  You've got some garden boxes and stuff, but that's awesome, right?
[00:47:54]  That's super cool.
[00:47:55]  That's good.
[00:47:55]  I can get some spices and some, you know, like the a lot of nothing.
[00:48:00]  Well, and we can't we can't do chickens here because the HOA doesn't like chicken.
[00:48:04]  Of course, of course.
[00:48:05]  I find the most soothing.
[00:48:06]  When I saw the chicks at your place, it was the most soothing sound on earth.
[00:48:10]  The chickens are a little bit annoying, but it's nature.
[00:48:12]  It's beautiful.
[00:48:15]  Okay, that's fantastic.
[00:48:17]  Now, what's your timeframe?
[00:48:21]  What's your timeline for determining whether or not you continue doing this?
[00:48:26]  Oh, I'll do it for the rest of my life.
[00:48:29]  Yeah, I can't do it now.
[00:48:30]  It's like a part of me.
[00:48:34]  Amazing.
[00:48:35]  Yeah, I mean, we fought the county.
[00:48:36]  I think that was the fourth time.
[00:48:38]  So we're 4-0 right now.
[00:48:41]  Are you?
[00:48:41]  Now, I know you have an Instagram.
[00:48:43]  What is the Instagram?
[00:48:45]  Coastal Pastures Farms.
[00:48:46]  Coastal Pastures with an S or without an S?
[00:48:49]  Coastal Pastures.
[00:48:50]  Pastures with an S, Farms with an S. Coastal Pastures.
[00:48:54]  Have you started?
[00:48:56]  I'd say not monetizing in the cynical sense, but have you started thinking of doing long format videos in terms of what you're doing, how you're doing it, and the daily life on Coastal Pastures Farms?
[00:49:07]  Everybody tells me to do this, but I'm not the guy to do it.
[00:49:10]  So if somebody wants to come over and do it for me, I'll welcome you.
[00:49:13]  You need to do it.
[00:49:14]  I'm busy with lambs and chickens and expansion and all sorts of stuff.
[00:49:18]  Yeah.
[00:49:18]  I wish I could.
[00:49:19]  I wish I was good at it.
[00:49:20]  I just, no, I don't even post pictures or anything.
[00:49:24]  Somebody on the farm does, but no, you need to do it because it's an alternative.
[00:49:29]  I say passive.
[00:49:30]  It does require, it does require time and energy, but it's almost like you can do it on the on the download.
[00:49:35]  Maybe I'll swing by and I'll.
[00:49:37]  You got to give me some tips.
[00:49:38]  Yeah.
[00:49:38]  Yeah.
[00:49:39]  I'd love to do it.
[00:49:40]  I mean, if people want to see it, I don't know if you want to see me with my chickens and my sheep and stuff, but if people want to see it, yeah, I'd gladly do it.
[00:49:48]  Let me go to the chat over on Rumble at the risk of going to the chat and seeing what's going on here because no matter what's the discussion, there's always politics in the chat.
[00:49:59]  Looking for, well, this is from Bill Tong.
[00:50:01]  He says, looking for real food.
[00:50:02]  He does South African jerky.
[00:50:04]  Bill Tong USA.
[00:50:04]  I've had your stuff, man.
[00:50:05]  It's real good.
[00:50:07]  It's the best and it's wonderfully healthy.
[00:50:10]  Let's go down here and just see.
[00:50:11]  If anybody's got any questions, get them in.
[00:50:13]  Lindsey Graham is a war-mongering duplicitist.
[00:50:15]  Rhino.
[00:50:16]  Yeah.
[00:50:16]  Okay.
[00:50:17]  We're not going to, we're trying to avoid, yeah.
[00:50:20]  You heard, I mean, no, you're living in a bubble.
[00:50:22]  You're probably happier and less stressed out in your bubble.
[00:50:24]  There's a clip of Lindsey Graham basically telling people that if you don't support this war, you're an anti-Semite and an isolationist, and he has no time for an isolationist.
[00:50:35]  He stands with, literally says, stands with Israel, not with isolationists, which is not politically wise, regardless.

=== Real Food and Political Bubbles (11:09) ===

[00:50:43]  But, Jake, let me, I mean, if I can, hesitating asking the question because I don't know if you can have good memories or good experiences that stick with you because of their goodness in Afghanistan.
[00:50:56]  I would imagine.
[00:50:57]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:58]  I raided a guy's house once, me and my whole squad, and we separated his family and searched the whole house, and we didn't find anything.
[00:51:04]  And then the next day, we were walking by his house and he invited me in for tea.
[00:51:08]  He was a farmer.
[00:51:10]  He just wanted to pray to his God and farm.
[00:51:13]  I don't agree with the, you know, like the way in which he ran his family, but I don't know.
[00:51:18]  I try and think of it from this perspective.
[00:51:20]  If a bunch of young men showed up to my farm with guns and demanded I get out of my house, it would be war.
[00:51:26]  And I did that to a bunch of people.
[00:51:30]  I had on Kelsey Sheeran.
[00:51:32]  I don't know if you know who she is, but she did a tour in Afghanistan as well.
[00:51:35]  And she said something which I won't forget.
[00:51:37]  And it's clearly something that's with her for life.
[00:51:39]  She said that there are certain experiences where she will live the rest of her life appreciating that she was the nightmare in someone else's life when it came to what they were doing there.
[00:51:51]  But that at least is I mean, you're right.
[00:51:54]  Do you know the song, This Is War?
[00:51:56]  One of the members, a veteran in our community, I'm going to send it to you afterwards.
[00:51:59]  The lyrics are particularly insightful, but basically it's like, get on a plane, travel across the world, and you're busting somebody's door down now.
[00:52:07]  And it's just the two of you.
[00:52:09]  And it doesn't matter what else is going on.
[00:52:10]  You said this in our first interview, like set aside the politics of the war in Afghanistan.
[00:52:14]  Your daily mission was to get your team back to base alive and well.
[00:52:19]  Yeah, 100%.
[00:52:20]  For me personally, at least there was like not really any purpose or nation or anything I was really fighting for, I think, out there.
[00:52:29]  Or at least I lost my way.
[00:52:31]  I think you get kind of brainwashed into thinking that.
[00:52:34]  And then you get there and you're like, I just want to go home, go to bed tonight with all my buddies.
[00:52:40]  What does it feel like?
[00:52:41]  You know, you're on base in Hawaii, and so there's a bit of a transition, but you land back in mainland America.
[00:52:48]  Is there a moment that you remember like the surreal nation, the surrealness of what of now you are just walking among other people who will never have had that experience or the vast majority won't and you will not be able to ever relate to them or they won't be able to relate to you?
[00:53:06]  I think it's a hard bridge to cross, if that's what you're asking, from civilian to, or at least a veteran that's experienced combat.
[00:53:14]  I think that's a very hard bridge to cross.
[00:53:16]  But no, I never really thought about it like that.
[00:53:18]  I just, everybody has different life experiences.
[00:53:20]  And that was one of mine.
[00:53:21]  And I don't know what it's like to be a firefighter, you know?
[00:53:25]  Let me see.
[00:53:26]  Here we got a question.
[00:53:27]  Bring this one up.
[00:53:28]  Jake, this is in our locals community.
[00:53:30]  Ruth Dang says: sneaky bureaucrats and backroom deals with deep pocket developers.
[00:53:34]  Barnes sees all this with the Pennsylvania ag who are harassing the Amos Miller and the Amish.
[00:53:40]  Robert Barnes will be home.
[00:53:41]  I'm not sure if I'm the Amish Miller.
[00:53:43]  What was it?
[00:53:43]  I forget now.
[00:53:44]  I do remember that you had either a connection to or experience with Amish Farmers or the what was.
[00:53:51]  I just ordered a lot of food from Amish Farms.
[00:53:52]  I don't have any connection with them.
[00:53:54]  No, no.
[00:53:55]  So which state were you ordering from?
[00:53:57]  Pennsylvania.
[00:53:58]  Okay.
[00:53:59]  Was it Amos Miller Farm?
[00:54:01]  No, it was like a small.
[00:54:04]  I don't, I can't remember.
[00:54:05]  It's such a long time ago, but it was one heck of a small small.
[00:54:09]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:10]  Amazing.
[00:54:11]  Jake, what I'm going to do now, I'm going to carry on with locals for a bit.
[00:54:15]  We have our locals after party.
[00:54:17]  I ate your eggs this morning.
[00:54:18]  They were flipping.
[00:54:19]  They're always delicious.
[00:54:20]  I'm glad to hear that.
[00:54:21]  No, it's amazing.
[00:54:23]  And I need chickens.
[00:54:26]  I need chickens.
[00:54:27]  I might have to like, I don't know if I can register chickens as service animals and therefore bypass the HOA rules.
[00:54:32]  But yeah, chickens are probably the coolest animals to own and the most useful ones to own after a dog, I guess.
[00:54:41]  Well, the cool thing, I think there's a study in maybe Norway about they gave 2,000 homes two to four chickens each, and they reduced the landfill by, I think, 90 tons or something like that the first month.
[00:54:54]  Just feeding chickens, chicken scraps.
[00:54:57]  Sounds like a good idea to have some backyard chickens.
[00:54:59]  It would be.
[00:55:00]  And we're not spending a bunch of money on gas transporting eggs from wherever they come from.
[00:55:04]  I mean, yeah, if you care about the environment, then it seems like a good thing.
[00:55:08]  And then if you care about oil prices, I mean.
[00:55:12]  One thing I never understood is why vegans oppose eating chickens.
[00:55:16]  What's up with you?
[00:55:17]  A kid just want to say hi to Jake?
[00:55:19]  Okay, come here.
[00:55:20]  Well, we're live.
[00:55:21]  This is Ethan's in the house.
[00:55:23]  Ethan, say hi to Jake, and I'll tell you what he says.
[00:55:25]  Hi.
[00:55:25]  Ethan, what's up, buddy?
[00:55:27]  He says, what's up?
[00:55:29]  Can you show me?
[00:55:30]  He's made a weapon.
[00:55:31]  I don't know what we're doing.
[00:55:33]  No, I think this is the.
[00:55:34]  So he's made a spear.
[00:55:35]  There's no blood on it yet.
[00:55:36]  So at least we're not in trouble.
[00:55:39]  I'll be done in a second.
[00:55:40]  Jake, I'm going to see it a bit.
[00:55:43]  We're going to swing by sooner than later.
[00:55:46]  How can people forget you offer stuff online, correct?
[00:55:49]  Like people can order online?
[00:55:51]  You can order online and pick up.
[00:55:53]  Yeah.
[00:55:53]  We don't have any shipping yet, but you can come pick it up in the store at the farm.
[00:55:57]  Coastal Pastures Farms.
[00:55:58]  I'm going to put all of the links in the pan.
[00:55:59]  I have it in the backdrop.
[00:56:00]  I appreciate that.
[00:56:01]  Thank you.
[00:56:02]  Dude, it's Coastal Pat.
[00:56:04]  No, that's that.
[00:56:05]  Here we go.
[00:56:05]  Coastal Pastures Farms.
[00:56:06]  Is this it?
[00:56:07]  What am I?
[00:56:08]  Hold on a second.
[00:56:08]  This looks like it.
[00:56:09]  This is it.
[00:56:10]  How do I get out of here?
[00:56:11]  Yeah.
[00:56:12]  Maybe there's an you can exit out of that or just hit view menu.
[00:56:16]  View menu.
[00:56:18]  Look at those chicken eggs.
[00:56:19]  Okay, we got oh, so people can order this online, but there's no shipping, so you have to come pick it up.
[00:56:24]  This is in Florida, so for the locals, I'll give everybody the links.
[00:56:26]  Uh, the chickens, we've been oh, so by the way, when you said, um, when I when we went down and you said with the chickens afterwards, you know, they produce eggs for a bit and then you turn them into dog food.
[00:56:35]  We've been giving Winston uh the chicken dog food from your farm.
[00:56:38]  How's it going?
[00:56:39]  It's the only thing.
[00:56:40]  I'm not saying this to sell it.
[00:56:41]  It's the only thing he eats.
[00:56:42]  He doesn't eat the dry kibble.
[00:56:44]  Yeah.
[00:56:44]  That's why I got a lot.
[00:56:45]  The thing is, we got a bunch of dry kibble that I got to get the dog to eat.
[00:56:47]  So like I mush it in there so that he sure can't lick around the kibble and just get the uh the good stuff off.
[00:56:52]  Um, no, so I'm gonna pin the comment afterwards.
[00:56:55]  I'm going to put in your Instagram there and we're going to talk about making sure that you're creating content for Connie Tube and Rumble because people need to see what you're doing.
[00:57:03]  It's not that hard.
[00:57:04]  And once you get into the habit of it, you'll forget however, how you ever lived a life without documenting every step of the way.
[00:57:10]  Jake, thank you very much for doing this.
[00:57:13]  This is this is amazing.
[00:57:14]  First of all, congrats with the city or the Palm Beach.
[00:57:17]  May you have no further problems, but if I hope not, if bureaucracy is what it is, you might have just pissed them off even more.
[00:57:23]  Next time they're going to have to prove that they're right.
[00:57:25]  Do you get the implications that might be?
[00:57:27]  They're not going to do.
[00:57:28]  Are you going to do it?
[00:57:29]  I don't know if they just say, they say yes and it's all good.
[00:57:31]  And then who knows?
[00:57:32]  I got my decision here in a day or two.
[00:57:33]  I don't know.
[00:57:34]  Who knows?
[00:57:35]  Well, keep on trucking.
[00:57:36]  It's got to be a fight.
[00:57:37]  You got to fight.
[00:57:38]  You know, you got to fight these people.
[00:57:40]  They're snakes.
[00:57:40]  They're lizards.
[00:57:41]  They bask in the sun.
[00:57:42]  They don't eat food.
[00:57:43]  You know, bureaucrats are, I say, parasites because their existence, and it's sort of what Thomas Sowell said, I think it's Thomas Sowell who said, like, their existence is not in solving problems.
[00:57:53]  It's in managing them.
[00:57:54]  And so if there are no problems, if there's nothing to, if there's no red tape to cut, then they're out of a job.
[00:58:00]  And so they have to keep making red tape.
[00:58:01]  Correct.
[00:58:02]  Correct.
[00:58:03]  But anyways, it's good.
[00:58:04]  So congrats on the W and may it not lead to more pressure.
[00:58:10]  Jake, okay, so people can get you on Instagram.
[00:58:12]  They can go to Coastal Pastures Farms.
[00:58:14]  And you're not on Twitter?
[00:58:16]  No.
[00:58:17]  You're probably much better off not being on that document.
[00:58:21]  We got an Instagram.
[00:58:22]  We got a website.
[00:58:23]  He's got a Facebook too that's tied to the Instagram.
[00:58:26]  Facebook is garbage.
[00:58:27]  I'm going to pin the pin the website.
[00:58:29]  Gonna pin your Instagram.
[00:58:30]  And I'll see you, if not this afternoon, sometime this week.
[00:58:33]  All right, cool.
[00:58:34]  All right, God sweep.
[00:58:35]  Right.
[00:58:37]  All right, people.
[00:58:38]  That was amazing.
[00:58:38]  What we're going to do right now, I saw some.
[00:58:40]  Oh, hold on a second.
[00:58:41]  I want to show you something.
[00:58:42]  I saw something coming from over in here.
[00:58:45]  Look at this.
[00:58:46]  No, no, down here.
[00:58:47]  From Asaf Lev, USDT, coming in on the Jake Dew ostriches.
[00:58:53]  Ostriches would be awesome.
[00:58:56]  We could have brought down the ostriches from Canada.
[00:58:57]  More talk about bureaucrats raining down holy hell on the citizenry.
[00:59:01]  If you want to support the channel, people, all the links are there.
[00:59:04]  Coastal Pastures Farms is in the description.
[00:59:06]  If you want to tip the channel, you can go with the Rumble wallet and you can go Bitcoin.
[00:59:12]  Click on this.
[00:59:12]  You can tip here.
[00:59:13]  But if you're in the area, if you were thinking of supporting, go support coastal pastures.
[00:59:18]  The eggs are delivered.
[00:59:19]  I mean, the eggs are beautiful and you can tell the difference because every now and again, Jake actually runs out of eggs because of the local demand.
[00:59:28]  Our kid bought like 10 dozen and was selling them down the street.
[00:59:32]  But you can, when you crack an egg from Walmart and you crack an egg from coastal pastures or from any farm where they treat the, you know, they feed the birds properly, the yellowness of the yolk, the richness of the yolk.
[00:59:44]  It's amazing.
[00:59:45]  Everybody should be able to, I would refer to it as a luxury because it is something that's not available to everybody.
[00:59:51]  Everybody should be able to get good, clean food and farmers should be able to operate good small farms without the crippling, debilitating, bankrupting red tape bureaucrats of Karen-type nanny state administrators or nanny county administrators making their life an utter living hell.
[01:00:11]  Now, farming and homeschooling is the way no excuses.
[01:00:17]  We're going to bring some comments up here and then we're going to go over to Viva Barnes.
[01:00:21]  Well, your dedication really shows video amazing.
[01:00:23]  I don't know if that's about me.
[01:00:24]  Create the problem, sell the solution, politics 101.
[01:00:28]  Viva, oh, no, that's not Viva.
[01:00:30]  Make overalls great again.
[01:00:32]  Don't sell the farms.
[01:00:34]  Farming and homeschooling, says Jacob Castro, is the way no excuses.
[01:00:38]  Tip Viva, one Bitcoin.
[01:00:40]  Okay, I got to, oh, nobody gave me one Bitcoin.
[01:00:42]  Again, get out of your mind.
[01:00:45]  Oh, hold on a second.
[01:00:46]  Why am I not seeing these?
[01:00:47]  Let me bring this out.
[01:00:48]  One thing I've noticed, I'll actually, I'll tell the team here.
[01:00:51]  I think if I go to here, no, where was it that I'm looking at this?
[01:00:57]  Here, escape, get out of here.
[01:00:59]  Do I have, I don't have the, I'm going to go here, bring this up.
[01:01:01]  Oh, there's a lot.
[01:01:02]  Okay.
[01:01:03]  So we got King of Bill Tim.
[01:01:04]  Forced Dan Chain says, my thoughts on Iran, mainly Britain, partly U.S. made Iran a monster.
[01:01:10]  The fact it was through, the fact it was through interference does not absorb them or make them a saint.
[01:01:15]  Monster must still be dealt with, sad but true.
[01:01:17]  That was, it's funny because that was, I'm telling you, like the history is rhyming to a degree that's insane with Saddam Hussein.
[01:01:25]  They said, well, America trained.
[01:01:27]  This was back in the day, an argument against the war in Iraq.
[01:01:30]  They said, well, America made Saddam.
[01:01:32]  And I remember had the exact same reflex back then.
[01:01:35]  It's like, okay, you may have trained the dog badly.
[01:01:38]  And I'm not to equate humans with dogs, but you know, but you still have to, if the dog bites, it doesn't matter if it's as a result of your poor training, you still have to deal with the dog.
[01:01:49]  The only question is, then you don't get another dog afterwards type thing.

=== Why 5149 Matters for Quebec (06:59) ===

[01:01:52]  I appreciate that argument.
[01:01:54]  The question is, however, are we not just perpetuating a never-ending vicious cycle?
[01:02:02]  Force Name Chain says, absolve.
[01:02:03]  Thoughts on Iran mainly probably made or animals.
[01:02:06]  So the fact that with interference does not absolve them or make them a saint.
[01:02:10]  Yeah, no, no, sort of agreed.
[01:02:13]  So no, there was no one Bitcoin.
[01:02:15]  And that would be, that would be a tip that I would actually ask some questions about.
[01:02:20]  That would be what they call a gift that is too big to be just a gift and might be something more.
[01:02:26]  But I did see the USDT from Asaflev.
[01:02:29]  Thank you, Asaf.
[01:02:30]  Asaflet, or maybe Flev.
[01:02:32]  No, I know I know who this is, Asaf.
[01:02:33]  Thank you.
[01:02:34]  And I said, I'm going to look into the emotional support chickens because Viva needs Wellington boots.
[01:02:40]  I don't know what that is.
[01:02:41]  Best regards, Viva says, no, Bill Clinton.
[01:02:45]  We're going to talk about some politics stuff over on viva barnslaw.locals.com.
[01:02:50]  This, I didn't want to taint the otherwise beautiful conversation.
[01:02:55]  Oh, we got there.
[01:02:56]  Asaflev, tipped in the rumble wallet.
[01:02:57]  Thank you very much.
[01:02:59]  Trying, they're trying to stop a petition for Alberta independence referendum with an injunction this April.
[01:03:03]  They will not stop us.
[01:03:04]  We'll just work harder and faster to collect more signatures.
[01:03:07]  This is, I don't want to sound like a black pillar or a doomsday.
[01:03:12]  I lived through the second separation attempt in Quebec, the referendum in 1996.
[01:03:18]  You'll get the petition and you might even get the vote and you might even succeed in getting over 50% of the provincial vote.
[01:03:26]  This is to separate from the Federation of Canada.
[01:03:30]  There is, in my view, zero chance that the federal government, the feds, the monarchy lets Alberta separate.
[01:03:39]  It would break up the country geographically.
[01:03:43]  They'll find whatever way they can through hook or crook to foil any attempt, even if it's successful after the referendum.
[01:03:52]  Remember, when we had the referendum in Quebec, it was 95, 96.
[01:03:55]  It was like 5149, give or take, in terms of no, stay in the country.
[01:04:01]  Yes, separate.
[01:04:02]  And the question was so, the question was so poorly phrased, people didn't even know which way they were voting.
[01:04:08]  And some people argued it was actually yes.
[01:04:10]  They wanted to separate, but they didn't understand the question.
[01:04:12]  What were the referendum results?
[01:04:16]  Quebec, 1996.
[01:04:19]  In 95.
[01:04:20]  Okay, so it was 95.
[01:04:22]  It was like 51.49 or 52.48.
[01:04:25]  Let's just see if I can get a number offhand.
[01:04:28]  And the question was totally, insanely idiotic, so much so that they had this entire court case that was to clarify what would be the procedure to leave the province.
[01:04:42]  Oh my goodness.
[01:04:43]  Look at this.
[01:04:44]  Let me just bring this up for everyone's edification if you didn't know.
[01:04:46]  And then we're going to go over to locals.
[01:04:48]  This was October 30, 1995.
[01:04:52]  The yes, which was to separate, 49.42% no to not separate was 50.5.
[01:05:03]  Oh my goodness, I can't believe that.
[01:05:05]  Do we have the question?
[01:05:06]  Let's see what the question was.
[01:05:09]  The question was so incomprehensible.
[01:05:12]  The referendum question: Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and the agreement signed on June 12, 2025?
[01:05:28]  This is how you know politicians are flipping idiots.
[01:05:33]  You couldn't make that question more convoluted if you tried.
[01:05:36]  I mean, you probably could, and they probably did.
[01:05:41]  But that's it.
[01:05:45]  I didn't remember it was that.
[01:05:46]  I mean, that's that's even closer than I got.
[01:05:48]  50, 59, 51, 49 is still close.
[01:05:51]  50.4.
[01:05:53]  That's wild.
[01:05:54]  But I'm telling you, even if Alberta gets, I mean, if it's like 75% yes, you know, you might be dealing with a different political landscape.
[01:06:02]  But in my view, there's no way the federal ever lets Alberta, the richest province in the country, to separate, despite the will of the people.
[01:06:13]  Sorry to be cynical.
[01:06:14]  All right.
[01:06:14]  With that said, everybody, we're going to go raid.
[01:06:16]  There is no paywall today on vivabarneslaw.locals.com because I've used StreamYard just because I didn't want to stress Jake out with an app that he might not have been familiar using.
[01:06:29]  We are going to go raid redacted right now.
[01:06:31]  If you're coming over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com and you have no reason not to do it.
[01:06:36]  Do it.
[01:06:36]  Here's the link.
[01:06:38]  And I'll put up the links afterwards.
[01:06:40]  I mean, Coastal Pasture is in there, so check them out.
[01:06:42]  It's amazing.
[01:06:43]  And we're going to go up there and get some eggs, get some chicken.
[01:06:46]  For we haven't gotten Manny on the chicken yet.
[01:06:49]  I don't want to because I don't want to spoil that dog too much.
[01:06:52]  But I had Grock do a comparative analysis of those.
[01:06:55]  Quebec had a similar initial support levels and vote came out to about 49%.
[01:06:59]  Alberta is just behind that.
[01:07:01]  If there was a referendum, it would land around 46%.
[01:07:03]  Interesting.
[01:07:04]  But I'd say, and even if it's 51%, you know what the feds are going to say.
[01:07:09]  Well, it's got to be an astounding, it's got to be in reality to break up the country.
[01:07:14]  It's going to take more than a simple majority.
[01:07:16]  It's going to take absolute majority, 60%.
[01:07:19]  The government are criminals, period.
[01:07:22]  They don't care about the will of the people.
[01:07:25]  And then the other argument, however, is: you know, does 51% will of the people get to deny the other 49% of the historical nation into which they were born?
[01:07:36]  But set all of that aside, come on over to vivabarnslaw.locals.com.
[01:07:40]  Let me see if I haven't missed any tip questions here.
[01:07:45]  Oh, here, there, there is one.
[01:07:46]  We'll bring this one up and then we're going to go over to our community.
[01:07:49]  To the Alberta separation, folks, for it to happen, it requires Trump to be useful full term.
[01:07:54]  Those who support the war are not serving this goal.
[01:07:58]  I'm a bit surprised about the lack of awareness of this.
[01:08:01]  A lame duck Trump is very bad for this goal, says F. Shaltah.
[01:08:07]  I tend to agree.
[01:08:10]  Okay.
[01:08:11]  What day is it today?
[01:08:12]  So, Tuesday.
[01:08:12]  Wednesday, tomorrow.
[01:08:13]  We've got a sidebar.
[01:08:14]  I'm not going to make a mistake on the name of the guest, but it's going to be someone who's running for office.
[01:08:20]  Thursday, it's going to be a discussion about Iran.
[01:08:22]  Friday, we might have one.
[01:08:24]  We might not, but I hope everyone enjoyed this.
[01:08:27]  A nice break from a never-ending divisive bad news.
[01:08:34]  And if you didn't like it, I don't know what to tell you.
[01:08:37]  Too late?
[01:08:38]  Come on over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
[01:08:41]  Twitter, ending it right now.
[01:08:42]  And Rumble, I will be ending it right now.
[01:08:46]  Come on over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com. Booyah. Okay, let me make sure that we're.