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Oct. 2, 2025 - Viva & Barnes
01:12:51
He Was There! Charlie Kirk Assassination Analysis & Conspiracy Debunking w/ Andrew Piskadlo!
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And gentlemen of the interwebs.
I have started one minute early to make sure that things are working smoothly on locals because yesterday we had something of a glitch, and it was not running the stream on locals.
Today it looks like it's good.
And so we shall start with none other than the Candace Owens.
Behold.
I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true.
About 48 hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause outright.
Okay.
Charlie was done.
He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors.
Did you can you guys answer?
Did he express that?
Um did he also express that he wanted to bring me Candace Owens back because he was standing up for himself?
And then did he just 48 hours later conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on-stage reunion could happen?
It's a yes or a no.
Okay, let's stop this ditching, let's not the dodging.
Let's like explicitly, I want to hear from Turning Point USA that I'm lying about that.
I want you to say no, no, it was just um, you know, he was feeling a little bit of pressure.
No, I want you to literally answer what I have just said.
It either happened or it didn't.
I'm either making it all up or it happened exactly as I'm saying.
And while we're at it, may I ask, what is the name of the Jewish donor who sponsored the Hampton?
This would be one of those situations where, but it just for what it's worth, like I noticed in the chat over on uh Rumble, someone's like, 'How much y'all get paid to make Candace Owens look crazy?' It's like, first of all, I don't even really think Candace Owens is crazy.
And I'll explain that in a second, that two things can be true at once.
And Charlie Kirk having expressed uh discontent at pressure from some donors, or having turned down an offer, a lucrative offer to, I don't know, uh, monies offered by foreign nations, that can be true.
And a trans motivated, uh, confused uh young man involved in a relationship with another trans individual, uh, furry world of drug addiction and gaming, and their online community decided to get Charlie Kirk because they didn't like what he has to say.
He said could be true as well.
And and uh I feel like uh I didn't feel not like dirty and entertaining uh alternative theories.
You cannot have a closed mind to alternative theories or alternative explanations, and certainly I blame nobody for not trusting official explanations right now.
But even when you entertain alternative theories, you have to have some evidence to support them, to substantiate those underlying theories above and beyond I don't trust anything before my eyes, therefore I can posit whatever I want, which can never be disproven.
There have been videos, we've seen the clips of Charlie Kirk asking questions, questioning Israeli action, questioning uh, you know what some might consider or argue to be blind loyalty by some.
Uh, you know, Ukraine is our ally.
You say that so many times, and people like, well, at what point does Ukraine cease being our ally?
And you can ask that question.
There were videos of Charlie Kirk asking the questions that people have been asking of Israel.
Like, you know, okay, well, how far does this go?
Uh blind loyalty is one thing, uh criticism where it's warranted is another.
And then, as Candace Owens, he as she says conveniently, which expresses a causal link, gets shot.
Two things can be true at once, and they might have both happened at the same time.
And then the only question is do you not believe um what's his face?
I don't even, we don't need to mention his name.
The shooter is the one who pulled the trigger.
Well, he was on the roof.
There's video footage of him running up and running down, but he didn't actually shoot the gun.
All right, well, there's sound that everybody heard, video there panned to that area.
All right, it was a detonated fake noise, and the bullet came from his lapel.
All right, well, that's good.
So you can disregard the evidence that you have so that you can posit evidence that has not been induced yet and that cannot be disproven.
You know, like if you wanted to entertain the idea that Israel, Mossad, whatever, was behind it because they wanted to get rid of Charlie Kirk before he could use his influential voice to turn a generation of 30 and under conservative Americans against Israel.
And so they had to get rid of him before he could do that damage to Israel.
Well, the you know, if you want to steel man that conspiracy theory, you'd want to work with the evidence that you have, and then maybe suggest, okay, well, someone infiltrated this group of furries on the internet and motivated the shooter to do what he did.
The amount of untenable, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories for which there's zero evidence, but only because it follows a narrative that people want, it's ridiculous.
Uh and I say not ridiculous to disregard them, but ridiculous is in until you have evidence.
All right, people look at the video and they say the shot could not have come from where it came from.
It had to have come from oh freeze frame, look at that.
The microphone is exploding.
That's where it came from.
Oh, and there's a guy in the front row detonating it because they have 23rd century technology, but they've got like 19th century detonation.
They need a guy within 10 feet to detonate the lapel bullet.
All right.
Um what's funny about what uh um Candace asked, you know, like I just want to clear cut yes and no.
Confirm this, and then it's a statement that is uh a number of conjunctions together.
Did he get a conjunctions with subjective interpretations of actions?
Did he or did he not say, I am out, and then conveniently next, you know, catch a bullet.
Candace is looking, and I and I don't um fault anybody for seriously and plausibly looking to fill in the evidentiary gaps that currently exist.
To go from there to say, yeah, the disregard everything that we've ever seen.
It was fake blood CGI, he's still alive.
Sorry.
There's a there's a there's a fine line at which point it becomes uh insane, like for lack of a better word.
Now, the man that we're gonna talk to today, Andrew Piscadlo, for those of you who don't know, he's a member of our locals community.
I didn't put two and two together uh because at some point, I don't know when when people in our community were saying Andrew uh is you know uh he'll explain what happened after the shooting.
I was thinking they were saying talking about Andrew Branca, Bronca, you know, the law of self-defense.
And I didn't realize that it was the Andrew Piscadlo from our locals community who is a photographer at the event the day of.
He's got a prosthetic arm, and it's a futuristic looking prosthetic arm.
And I can understand how people thought that the arm might have been something else, and he got into I don't say he got into anything.
He was thrown into the mix of this because he had two very prominent figures, and I think Candace was one of them, uh, identifying him as uh involved in the shooting.
Uh and he's a photographer who who's uh we're gonna explore who he is because he's a bit of a brainiac and uh quite an interesting guy.
I met him back at um an Eric Hunley event when he was in Boca, and he's a member of our community, was there with uh his photography gear.
Did I bring up one of his tweets?
Uh I have it in the backdrop.
And uh was accused of being the shooter for a brief moment in time, which is um madness.
Uh and adds quite literally puts him in danger of reprisals when he had obviously nothing to do with anything uh in a world where people were understandably looking for who did this and uh exacting revenge.
Andrew's in the backdrop.
Uh Andrew, when you're ready, uh activate your camera, activate your mic.
We're going to um this is gonna be amazing.
I mean, it's it's gonna be uh he's he developed a uh a software technology that is um going to he'll present the evidence, definitively identify where the sounds were coming from, but I want to know what happened uh in his experience that day.
Andrew, sir, how goes the battle?
Uh fantastic.
So uh I I need I I look, we're not getting into childhood, um, but I we need to know 30,000 foot overview who you are, and then I do have some questions to get a little bit not personal, but to understand how you got to be where you are in life.
Uh who are you?
Yeah, so my name one second, make it uncomfortable.
So uh name is Andrew.
Um I am so right now I run a research institute, Utah Research Institute.
Ah, one second, this thing's gonna keep dying.
Uh I run a research institute.
Um we're based in Utah.
We develop everything from AI processors to uh you know uh point of care medical systems.
Uh I'm finishing my MS in uh this semester in mechanical engineering, but I I really don't do anything in that space really ever.
Uh Kind of how I even got to the point where I developed AI processors is uh you know, I was torn in half by a 38-ton excavator, uh, six days before I was supposed to start my PhD in mechanical engineering, um, right at the heart of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Um when I say right at the heart, I mean it was two days before uh the Shoven uh whatever happened, and I remember when I woke up because I was in a coma for three weeks, and then when I woke up, people were saying there's riots happening, and I went, Well, what happened?
What are you talking about?
And that was kind of a funny thing.
And um, you know, I then because I had so many health problems.
I mean, I my uh you know, my right arm was torn off.
Uh I've I've had a very interesting life.
I've done a lot of uh I ran a lab, I was a caver technician.
I when a lot of people ask, like, what do you what is it you do?
There isn't really a clean answer because I've done so many jobs.
There's there isn't really one thing I've done.
Farm labor, I've done uh contracting, obviously, because I got torn in half.
Um I've done uh like at one point I again pyrotechnician.
So a lot of times, even when I've seen these wild explanations, like there was one time when I saw somebody talk about like, oh my god, the they're going into the culvert, and this means that somebody reached up and like shot him outside of the uh like out of that culvert.
I'm like, well, if they were doing any kind of because I actually went back there and I have a whole bunch of images from going back there like 10 days later, and I could see that they had taken all the plants out of the pots, and they had uh gathered a whole bunch of evidence, and um, and I've even done you know evidence-related work and also uh worked with the person who originally founded the Utah State Crime Lab.
We can actually get into that because he actually worked several death row cases, and we'll get into that too.
Um, but if they had done that, they would have needed to access that culvert in order to turn off power and in order to deal with other things in order to access basically in order to turn off some of those things.
No, there's no real suspicious thing related to that.
Anyhow, that I there's a lot of things I've done.
And no, yes, and I well, I look not to get too bogged down because we've you know limited time and we want to talk about this particular incident, but I I do I can't not go on without knowing what happened with the excavator.
Yeah, so I was um I was uh building the end zone to rice cycle stadium um when I was doing that.
Uh uh I was working with a grater.
Um, this is basically a vibrating steamroller.
Um, and as I was doing that, it was a remote control device, a operator was um not really paying attention with the excavator.
It was turning and the the back end of it basically turned and ripped over the back uh basically the top of the grater, and I was yelling stop, stop, stop, trying to get it to stop.
Uh there were other people who noticed it as well.
Um, and then I had uh gone over trying to deal with it.
Um and basically get all the equipment uh uh try to move it out of the way, basically with my uh device, and I didn't realize he had hadn't stopped.
And basically I was in between this grater and the excavator, and then he had moved again, and when you have basically a really large object and uh basically up against another solid piece of metal and uh soft, squishy object, you know, you're basically gonna have something where you're up you're gonna be completely crushed.
I'll actually show some images.
Um, you know, my upper maxillar region was completely crushed, all these teeth are fake.
Um uh my mandible was broken in about three places.
Um scapula was broken in three more places, uh six right rows broken, one left rib, um neck was broken.
Um when a lot of people ask, like, why didn't you run?
Why didn't you run?
Um why were you looking why were you like being so calm?
Uh like I need to actually address this thing because this is really, really, really important.
Um it's because I have been through so many goddamn things in my life.
I have so many PTSD encounters.
I like I am really, really still.
Like I I've I've survived, I've come back from death more times than you have digits on your fingers.
And I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about you.
Uh anybody else who has 10 digits.
Um, like while I was in the ambulance, I went, I died, and I came back.
I had to pull myself out of death.
The grandfather helped me.
Um because I wasn't done yet.
I still had to have my daughter, figured that one out.
Um, like while like just while I was because I've had to live in a lot of different places.
Why I'm even here right now in this room.
There's a twin bed behind me as I'm going through a really rough divorce right now.
But um, you know, I will move to on to another place.
And while I like I've been in a lot of really violent places, um, and like one of the experiences I just had to have um is and she'll probably actually watch this, and I want you to know I will help you as soon as you're ready for me to help you.
Uh SLCPD, and the officer is ready to help you when you're ready.
Um, she will watch this, that's why I'm explicitly saying this.
Um she was getting beat on a regular basis by her fiance over and over and over again.
She was about seven months pregnant with this happening.
I had to listen to it.
And finally she got uh like I was waking up to go to yoga, 6 a.m.
Okay, and he got it right in the stomach.
Like I have odd the audio recordings of this, uh notes of this, and like I heard it, like I I've been an EMT even, guys, and I could hear God he punched her in the stomach.
And I I'm like, I'm waiting I'm struggling to wake up.
I've done done first response, and I'm just like, I'm too tired to call because then I'm gonna have to deal with them.
And fortunately, they got there quickly.
This baby was in the NICU for a whole month.
She made it, he made it, he made it.
Thank God.
But he still hasn't been charged for this.
Shit happens when you have almost no resources.
Why didn't I run?
Because I'm much more tough than you assholes.
Not not I'm not talking about everybody else.
Talking about these people who think they're investigators.
Well, let's get to the investigation.
Yeah, let's do that.
I just like I I needed to address a bunch of these people who are like think that I'm some sort of masada agent.
And think because like let's get into this.
Um I wouldn't say massad, I'd say you do remind me of uh Terminator.
No, Marty McFly's father in Back to the Future won in the 50s.
But we'll get we'll get there.
Okay, uh so what were you even doing at the event uh in the first place?
Yeah, well, I was going there to talk to Charlie.
Um, so I was like waiting in line.
Uh I was there to talk to him about you know, I I'm really active in Utah politics.
Um the precinct chair, state delegate, all the rest.
Um, and active in other things.
Like I was at the Dr. Moore trial, what have you, and you know, very often uh conservatives don't particularly care, and I'm not a conservative and populist big time.
More harder, I'd say than Barnes.
Um he'll probably disagree, but that's okay.
Um I was basically gonna mention that, you know, I don't really think that you guys uh are really care about all the constitution, you only particularly care about the parts you like, and I was gonna bring up the Eighth Amendment because there was the Uh Ira, um the Ukrainian refugee who was uh stabbed in the neck by that lunatic.
Um and you know, I was gonna point out you want more jail, more everything, and that wasn't really the solution there.
And when he was gonna point out, well, what would you suggest?
I would say, well, Trump actually should have ended the Ukrainian war by now.
And then I was gonna point out, well, I deal with these Ukrainian refugees all the time.
We would have had a very interesting discussion with Ukrainian sex trafficking that I would have uncovered.
So that that's actually what I was gonna do.
I arrived there at 1020 a.m.
Um, so early, and I have images from this.
Took it with my Z8.
Um, it was fun.
I met a lot of interesting people, really interesting people.
There's a whole bunch who are probably gonna watch this.
Um liked hanging out with all of you.
Um the vibe was awesome.
Like, I loved meeting all you guys, uh, even the people who disagreed with them, they were pretty nice.
Um there was one girl who was like trying to avoid uh missing her theater class.
Um and she was like, I can't let them know that I'm like nearly missing the class, or I'm here.
Uh and you know, as we were getting closer to the event, we started moving down the stairs, and um you know, when I walked in, I felt that Charlie was like it felt entirely unsafe.
And I remarked this to uh I'm not gonna shout him out because it everybody is get like there are lunatics out there, and everybody like I've had people follow me that won't get any further into that.
And I like one of the reasons why I took my Z8, even when everybody was out.
That's my camera, and I took an image up top, is it just like I wanted to make sure I had an uh yeah, that um and I actually pulled this guy out.
This is really hold up, I see strap that everybody's freaking out about free cakes.
Um I'll so you're you're you're out there to take pictures, you wanted to talk with Charlie.
Um and to say like it was uh felt like Butler.
Well, that that's that was you know, a lot of questions a lot of people had because Charlie was familiar with Butler and and we hadn't yet had full resolution on it explanations, and certainly in this case, there was no protection from it.
Uh a butler like so how does it go down?
You get there, uh you're snapping some pictures.
This was I mean, it was it was where where were you when the shot rang out?
16 meters to his right, third step.
I have a I went as I said, I went back there and I took more images, we'll look at them.
Um it's uh third step.
So like as you look at it, I was on the third step, so we'd move further down.
Um I've shot over a hundred thousand rounds at this point, like uh over my lifetime.
And I'm actually an extreme range shooter.
I'm even a competitive shooter.
Um for pistol.
Um like actually while I was talking to people, uh, there was another shooter who is also at Slipsa, so that's the uh competitive range that I shoot at.
I'm at a range officer there.
And he went, wait a second, are you the guy who shoots with a giant orange tray out front?
I'll I can even show a little clip of uh me shooting, um, because yeah, like I even beat people other people who have two arms, and I have just one um that I can shoot with.
I I like I've won competition shooting, or not one.
Uh I I can't, I I never, but like in terms of shooting in even reverberant environments, so like when people say there was a second shot, no, no, no, no, there wasn't.
And there were other things that you oh yeah, but one second, and there were other things you just can't tell with uh unless you were actually there, and like I'm talking specifically about even the trans stuff the the cadence of like the speech and like Charlie's microphone was louder than the person who was speaking and uh like specifically before we even got going um I remember just like even just feeling like this really felt unsafe
Like I like one of the reasons why I took that big photo is I was I wanted to make sure I got all the security up top because, you know, I think I saw some people.
But like I remember shouting real loud, just going, the mic is too quiet for the person out front.
So I wanted to make sure I heard all the questions.
I want to make sure my question was heard.
But like and one of the reasons why I mentioned this, I mentioned this to the FBI is if there was like that, given that there was a shooter, the only way that they would like that, that whoever was taking the shot, the shooter would have been able to take that shot and basically like make a real statement was because it really seemed like a statement shot.
Like when the shot frickin happened, it seemed like a statement shot is if he had a live mic.
It just felt like that because.
And if we can, we'll back up to a few things here.
How long into the event did it happen?
Like as far as I understand, it was just it was not long into the event.
Second question.
Each question was supposed to last five minutes.
And by the way, when people are looking at timestamps, these are all not synced.
Very clearly not synced.
So it's not an indication of conspiracy.
It's just an indication of technology is not accurate.
Not everything is synced up to universal time code.
It doesn't matter if they're supposed to be.
You're going to bring up what you want to bring up.
This is the picture that you talked about to show the.
Yeah, that's just one of them.
And then.
Okay, so let's get into this.
So a second question in.
The shot happens.
I'm just going to ask some.
And again, like it's.
Yeah, please ask.
It was.
It was clear.
Because there were two things that happened.
There was the bang of a shot.
And then there was the gasp of the crowd when they saw him bleeding.
When the trauma of the wound was apparent.
That was the only time when people actually got down.
And the people who got down first were at the front of the stage.
And I didn't get down really at all until I. Because I immediately looked to where I thought the shot was supposed to be.
And was that roughly in the area from where the shot came?
Yeah.
But also my.
Work.
Because I looked where.
I. The shot eventually ended up coming from.
And one of the things that I'm going to.
Bring up.
Is the fact that.
Basically.
Everything from.
Like.
I knew that.
Charlie was dead.
When that shot went out.
Because.
Like.
I saw him slump.
Exactly the way he did.
Like.
The last elk I got.
Was at 900 meters.
Heart.
Double lung shot.
I've shot probably over 60.
Animals at this point.
Um.
And.
I wasn't going to say that Charlie was dead.
No way whatsoever.
I wanted to make sure that I. Because I. I waited and listened as I move forward.
And.
Um.
I was looking for IEDs near trash cans.
Because.
What better way to make more chaos and ruin things.
Than to do that.
But.
I waited for somebody who was right near the front of the stage to say.
What had happened.
Because they saw that.
I didn't see his head explode.
And.
They said.
He's for sure dead.
But.
He was shot in the neck.
I wanted to make sure I got that in.
And.
Um.
Let me make sure I. Plug this part in.
And.
When.
I heard that.
That's basically what I put out.
I said.
At Turning Point event.
A shot rang out.
I got down.
Didn't see Charlie Kirk afterwards.
Said he was shot in the neck.
Conversation was about a trans mass shooter.
shooter so I didn't think that was relevant don't know what happened and actually one intervening question here.
Did you get any footage or or photos of the incident that you did you get any and if you did did you subsequently give them to the FBI for for their investigation?
You know, I started to, or I basically I got I I sent the I sent images to the police, and then you know, I got links, so I did send images to the police, and then um you know, I started uploading things, but I haven't I basically started putting everything in a GitHub and I'm making them all available to everyone else.
Uh after this interview is done, I'm just gonna dump all the videos I have on the GitHub so everybody can have them.
Um I think that's honestly a better way to do this because I have now and I'm even gonna put the call I had the AI uh it's an AI summary of the call I had with the New York Times reporter because he called me like 10 minutes after the shooting.
Um, because my post was the most accurate.
People have asked, like, very convenient that you were the first one called.
Yeah, it's because I run a 501c3 nonprofit.
I run multiple businesses.
I already have a high profile uh running research.
I already have multiple vendors.
My dad runs businesses or has does business all over the world.
He's already run for office.
My name is very unique.
Uh I'll I'll be putting making all this available, and I'll make my program available so everybody can use it after I have about four different other researchers who uh four of them or three of them all have PhDs.
I uh two two things.
Actually, we're gonna get to the one thing.
The shot happens.
How how soon afterwards do you post anything on Twitter or X?
Let me look at it.
Because I also want to get into how you were accused of 1233.
So I'm I I have made it all the way through the cafeteria, and I made it to my car.
Uh I believe he was shot basically at like, and I'm getting might get this wrong, but basically 1220-ish.
Yeah, plus or minus two minutes.
Yeah, 1223 or 1224, because I I've seen some you know, people pulling referencing Bible verses.
I said plus uh plus plus or minus two minutes.
So you get there 10 minutes and and you put what's what's the post that you put up immediately uh uh uh afterwards?
Yeah, it's at turning point event, shot rang out.
I got down, didn't see Charlie Kirk afterwards, organizer close to the Charlie Kirk position said he got shot in the neck.
Conversation was about how many trans mass shooters he got uh there have been.
IDK how Charlie is pray for him.
I then went to the uh hospital that I knew he would go to.
Okay.
That um I didn't I wasn't able to get access to him, but I didn't think I was, I just wanted to figure out if that was the hospital.
And I know people who have who know the surgeon who saw them too.
But how do you how does it come to be that uh you you are being floated on the internet as being involved or being the shooter?
Um I didn't really so one I'm wearing uh my maroon suit.
Um I look different from other people.
I'm wearing a red hand, uh or not a red hand, but like I have you know, this hand.
Um I didn't really run, but like it's this strap that was hanging out of my bag.
So this camera strap.
I have this strap because it's easier to, you know, I can actually remove it from my camera.
Um it's easy as that.
Like I recommend it for all of you.
Uh if you use a if you use a camera, it's so much easier to use um than like the normal camera straps.
I got it from Picture Line.
I'll put the can I'll put the post up.
Which um good question is.
I basically a student took a photo of me.
Okay.
Well it w which hospital was it that you thought, or I mean, I guess there's only one hospital.
Tipinogus?
Tipinogus, Intermountain, whatever.
It was like 10 five-ish minutes away.
It would be well, uh I basically went whatever level two trauma center there was nearby.
Closest.
And I mean, he was we'll get into how he was shot, but like I knew that he was shot in the neck somehow, based upon like even the video I saw afterwards.
I just went, he's dead.
But even like how he went down, I just went, uh, that's not good.
And then when I saw the video, I just went, he's gone.
Yeah.
But like, by the way, for people out there, um, like as somebody who's died multiple times, and I sometimes wonder how long I have left on this earth.
I would honestly rather go quicker than have to bleed out and suffer a lot more.
Small comfort, but just take what you can.
How how quickly does it get resolved and do the people who uh uh suggested you were the you were involved somehow take down their tweets.
I mean, how long did that element go on?
Um not until uh by the way, there's still people accusing me.
Um I appeared on Candace's show again yesterday.
Uh and she went after Phil Lyman.
Well, and do you mean do you mean you appeared on as in she referenced you or you went on her show?
I'm the mysterious man.
Like I did a call with her like shortly thereafters, like on so I was DMing her, or how this how this turned out later.
Let me make sure you're going the wrong way.
There we go.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was uh like how this ended up shaking out later.
I ended up going back over to my lab, my facility, and um how this uh works out is uh you know, I've made quite a bit of friends over time.
Uh from the Robert uh from the Dr. Moore trial, uh, there's a uh reporter named Edward Schnell.
There's no yeah, and he's a good friend now.
Um and I actually recommend he's from he's the producer at Died Suddenly.
Um and he called me.
Uh but he he was one of the most influential people in actually stopping the Dr. Moore prosecution and getting it dismissed.
I had a big role in that as well, but he, you know, with the press conference, with jumping in and getting in, uh, otherwise that would not have happened.
So just big props to him.
But he calls me and says, Do you know that you're being blamed for the Charlie Girk assassination?
There's an APB out in you, and I go, son of a why?
This photo's circulating, and Candace is doing it, and I went, Of course she is.
Tell me more.
And then so I call uh dispatch for Salt Lake County, because that's where I'm located, and I say, That's an APB out on me.
Can you tell me more?
Like, I'll I'll I'll I'm happy to cooperate.
Like, I went back to the scene when I was there with my camera, because I was gonna try to take more evidence, and I said, I'll give every I'll I gave my name, just talking to them, and I was like, uh give more evidence as it is.
Um, and I actually put out a post very shortly thereafter saying what is it?
What did I say?
Because this is important in Ampliator.
I was thinking there were so many ledges you could get a shot from easy chip shots with the 556-223 taken from uh 75 meters, 125 meters, duck down, um, and then and then duck down immediately afterwards uh scanning the rooftops because I was uh where I was though, there was no way I'd hear the bounce of sound because there was so much reverberation afterwards.
We'll get into that with the program I made.
Um I heard from an organizer, you know, the shooter in custody that was the wild guy crazy old man um I think he was just looking for attention.
Then he got busted for child porn.
Yeah, I do too.
But I think they knew of mother.
Okay, so that uh hold on.
The question I was gonna ask was I read the chat and I see the people uh you know floating conspiracy theories that I sincerely don't even understand what they're getting at, psyop and whatever.
You you initially were skeptical as to where the that the where the bullet came from and and how many shots were fired.
Yeah, I uh where I how I even got here was the rifle, the rifle itself, because like initially what I saw was you know, when you're looking when the shot went off, all right, uh you know, it was I went okay, he got off the roof and made a getaway.
All right, that and like I like when I was there, I saw I saw him get shot, and it looked like it was straight through the neck.
Plean enough, and surely there must be an exit wound.
So clear cut, we're all good.
And then it didn't seem that there was an exit wound.
And then it seemed that there was a really big rifle, and then it seemed that there was a backpack and with no way that that rifle would fit.
By the way, many of these quite like we'll get through that.
And then I saw a Ukrainian connection, and as I mentioned, I'm very familiar with this FBI field office, and I have kind of a raging hate boner for them.
And I know some of their work from like a foya case, uh, or not really a foyer case, but some Pfizer warrant-related stuff that they'll talk we maybe talk about that in another uh episode.
But so I started pursuing this more, and then I started saying, well, rather than saying I doubt the whole thing, I basically just put out one thing because there's a lot of people that I'm associated with within like the GOP that could even reach out and deal with the prosecutor.
Um, and as I even said, I know a lot of people, even with an LEO and uh LEO law enforcement officers and within the state um who actually could you know are associated either with the case or even have done a lot of shooting.
And you know, I was even gonna go through and just measure the backpack and just go, can a rifle even fit in here?
Turns out, you know, it would actually take the over 12 inches up the top.
But it turns out that the rifle he actually was just tucking it into himself.
So that answer that question was answered.
And then I basically decided I'm gonna do the uh question about the angle, because people were saying that from the angle of the roof.
Let me see if I can bring this one up, that you would not he would not have been able to make the shots because the because of the awning.
So Charlie, uh you could see my cursor.
Charlie was sitting here, roughly.
Yep.
And that there is it it it correct me if I'm wrong.
It is not the case that this awning would have proved to be a visual barrier from where the shot is suspected to have come from.
Um from the prone position, uh likely not.
Um however, you would like I mean I looked at that spot directly afterwards.
There were other people that looked at that spot directly afterwards, and I didn't get down immediately.
Um even if he had a suppressor, there's still a teensy bit of muscle flash.
Um right over, so I mean move your cursor kind of up above the awning.
Uh here uh up above to that like bridge area higher bridge, okay.
Like uh like above directly above the awning.
Uh here.
Yep, right there.
But like move down above that.
There's a there was a mic, there was a mic recording that I used actually in my acoustic multi- uh basically I'm calling it an open source spot sauce spot spot shot spotter.
There we go.
Um and there was actually a person who was recorded right here.
All right.
And I even then took images of that right afterwards.
one at an exact GPS waypoint and you know there were like girls and other people who were like leaning over the leaning over that and you know they were like they would have seen something but they looked directly at where Tyler went from.
Where was that in respective here?
So it has to be somewhere near this colored awning right here.
Like the shot itself is alleged to have come from where?
The shot itself, basically, you follow all the way along.
I'm going to go down here.
You might basically go all the way to the right.
Yeah.
More, more, more, more, more, more.
It's off screen.
It's off screen.
So somewhere on this roof?
No, no, all the way.
So it's not on here.
Okay.
It's basically 123 meters away.
So it's not on that image.
Okay.
So I guess the thing that you're going to present.
It wasn't like the thing is, is that it wasn't visible from my position.
That's where the shot was alleged to have come from.
Okay.
What did you make that geo locates based on the acoustics from all the recordings, where the shot, where the sound came from?
Okay.
The, I sent you one image, but we would have to actually share screens.
You could bring it up on your end.
I think you have full access to share screen.
Do I?
Yeah.
There's a little, uh, all right.
Let's see.
Computer.
Yeah.
There's a thing with our computer.
Cool.
All right.
All right.
Actually, before I do that, um, let me go in here.
Documents.
Find.
Move over.
I want to make sure.
I want to make sure.
Oh, I do not want to have these going.
There's Ukrainian related junk.
Um.
I want to not have this open.
Oh, boy.
All right.
Utah Research Institute.
Charlie Kirk private.
Acoustic.
Let's see if I can just actually have an output once.
Correctly.
And then I kind of have it just generate that thing from scratch.
Yeah.
Jupiter lab.
All right.
Um.
Run.
Let's see.
Restart kernel and run all cells.
Do-do-do.
Do-do.
Yep.
All right.
Uh.
Deep down.
Move over to here.
Try to keep private.
Here it is.
Dev.
So this is all in a GitHub that I'm going to share, um, afterwards.
Um.
We're still, like, this is, like, what we're going to do is, like, what we're going to do with all of these, um, all of this will eventually be made into a program, uh, that we will.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this, this program is still very much in its, uh, I would say pre-alpha.
Um.
But when, uh, we've had several more developers look at it, um, we will then make it public and and then everybody else can actually, um, use it.
And then they, and then what I'm going to do, however, is I'm going to walk everybody through it and you can look at the error and see how it even works.
I'll talk you guys through it start screen share it's not start sharing it um it should you should just be able to bring it up if You click the screen, click on the link, and then it says share.
All right.
Let me...
Hmm.
One second.
Or or text me the link because uh we uh not not to not to put pressure on, but we gotta bring it up.
Yeah, I don't think it's uh I don't think that's working.
Um tell tell me tell me what link it was on the stuff that you sent me and I'll bring it up.
I haven't it's I haven't posted that yet.
Um I'm gonna just send it to you, and then we I can talk uh yeah.
I will I'm gonna send you what I have.
Yep.
So I've sent so I the email I sent you had the image.
So just pull that up.
Yeah, but uh which which image is it?
Um it's a screen, it says screenshot, because that's what it includes.
And I'm gonna talk through each form of error it has, because screen share isn't working.
And by the way, I'm going to I am going to actually just release a video and do this myself uh and talk through the whole thing.
Okay, that's that's fine, but it from from what you sent me, like the I have a big email.
It's got uh it's got a tweet.
It's got a bunch of stuff in it, but I need to know exactly what you want me to bring up.
All right.
Because but bottom line, it just I mean, it we'll get to it.
Expla explain what it is that you did to geolocate where the sound came from, and then we'll set aside whether or not people think uh around came from it.
I'm sending you another one, another email.
Okay.
You let me know.
Let me know when it's been sent.
But uh but as you do it, it's explain to us what it's gonna what is what it's doing and what it's telling us.
Okay.
Here.
There you go.
Just sent it.
Okay, it'll take a few seconds to traverse the intuitive.
What what is it, what is it telling us?
And I'll bring it up, but explain it so that we can get ahead of it.
Yep.
All right.
So what this is doing is it's taking multiple mic uh so what you're what you're looking at is what's called a crack boom analysis.
Pull up the pre pre-wavelet filter.
So we're gonna start.
So I'm bringing up the the images in the in the link.
Yep.
Uh I want you to pull up the pre-wavelet filter.
There's three of the images I've sent you.
Yeah, hold on.
I can't I have to make sure not to bring up my uh entire inbox.
Uh I do you're gonna care if people see your email address?
No.
Okay.
Lots of people have seen it already.
And let's go here and let's go here.
Okay, so this is what we're looking at.
There we go.
Okay.
So what do I do?
Scroll down?
Yeah, uh, scroll up.
I want to talk to the filter.
Okay, so where's the filter at?
Right that just basically this image here.
Okay, tell us tell us what we're looking at, what you did to get this.
Alright, so one of the things that uh so in a crack boom analysis, uh, which is basically what we're looking at.
We're looking at a time difference of arrival.
Um when a shot is fired, you have uh one second, my arm just came alive.
I'm just gonna pull this off.
It hasn't been working for a while, and it just decided to work.
Um a shot is fired, uh you have, and I it's right at the end here.
Uh you have the sound of the bullet breaking the sound barrier.
So it's it's the shockwave is traveling faster than the speed of sound.
Or tra the bullet is traveling faster than the speed of sound.
And then you have the uh muzzle blast.
Now one of the things that what you can do is you can look at that delta, and basically really close deltas mean that the sound hypothetically is closer,
and then really further ones mean that, or when it's further apart, mean that the sound or that the shot would be further away, and then this time distance of arrival is kind of a measure of how far the how far the shooter is away.
Now there are several things that particularly matter here.
Um there are several sources of error.
One of the things that we're looking at with this bowl is it's a really a reverberant environment.
You have uh the sound is bouncing off multiple things, it's bouncing off uh the side.
It's it's like it's an amphitheater.
I mean it's basically an amphitheater sound.
They call it the courtyard, but I've been calling it an ample theater because that's exactly what it is.
Um, and what I decided to do here is I've used about 15 different papers to uh you know, there's multiple different people who have taken uh figured out all the different sources of error for these types of analyses.
Um here uh you have uh there's the error that is just involved with get hacking the start time, and the so that would be the crack of the sound, um, and then the uh the boom.
There are ways of actually just automating this whole process, and um as I mentioned, I build AI processors, and these are designed specifically to measure um you know to do what is called uh you know emg.
So they enable you to they enable you to move individual fingers here.
Okay.
Um this is basically the same thing.
This is single processing.
Um of the things that people haven't been doing, so now we can kind of move down.
So what actually when you look at this, you notice that there's a raw single and there's an unfiltered signal.
I did that to show just stop here for one second.
What is the zero to six seconds indicate?
Uh this is basically I decided to not have the whole thing in here.
Okay, so this is the six second, or say about the five seconds before this is the this is the crack boom here.
Yeah, okay.
So this is telling us that a noise occurred.
And the question's gonna be now uh how you geolocate where the noise came from, and then we're gonna have to deal with people who say uh the the boom coming from that location if that's where it doesn't bullet came from there.
Yeah, and there and I I would actually need to listen to that as to whether that was where uh came from.
Um there's ways of actually so the system, the algorithm uh would actually just go, okay.
Uh three standard deviations above the noise floor is generally when is when you actually would measure when the start of the crack appears, and that has been validated by the army uh you know, metrology labs, um, and many other people.
There's a particularly good researcher from the University of Montana who has been doing this for decades now, and he has measured that very well.
Wavelet noise uh or discrete wavelet noise denoising is the uh mechanism I used here, and um it seems to have worked really well.
Okay, so but tell us now what is this, and I mean I guess we've got to have that's the same thing, it's just a different, it's just a different mic.
Okay, so now what are we looking at here in terms of uh assessing where the audio can where the boom came from or the crack?
All right, so here is where a lot of people have been, And even myself, when I initially looked at this, I was I was I thought that the shot came right from the like right from nearby.
All of these microphones kind of the so the ones really near the stage basically uh the crack and the boom are particularly close together.
Um and the ones further away, like, and again, this is pre-alpha.
I have not finished working on this, are particularly further away.
Um you start to incorporate the error.
So the error of uh the the all the different microphones added together.
This starts to increase the just the error of all them uh you know, this actually increases the error of where all the uh signals actually coming from.
And hold on, just a second.
The blue the blue pings here, what are those?
Those are microphones.
Those are all the yeah, those are all of the microphones themselves.
Okay, and the red ping right here is what we're gonna do.
Yeah, that that that that is just because that is just I I have that included because I am actually going to open source this software eventually and um make it available for like say that you're uh a uh say that you're somebody who uh like a inner city kid who uh you're being blamed by the police.
This would enable you to actually you can basically upload an Excel sheet of a whole bunch of uh WAV files, and then you can actually use this program yourself.
I'm gonna enable everybody to use this program themselves.
That's fine.
Okay, fine.
But so what is first of all, where's where's Charlie and all of this?
What is it?
I mean, look, Andrew, people where is the there?
Charlie is right there.
Where my cursor is.
Yeah.
Charlie is uh, you know, right, look he's right basically right in the thick of all those uh right in the thick of all that.
Okay, and where did where is it concluding based on all this that the shot came from?
It's basically concluding that you know it's right around the it's concluding that there's a lot of error is really what it's saying.
That there's a lot of error.
Yeah.
Um it's saying that there is a significant amount, like so.
If you look here, there if you look here, so some people have been taking these shots that are right here.
Never mind.
They can't see it.
So you have to give me give me locations on this.
Let me let me zoom it up here, like reference numbers, hall of bags.
We got uh ampit theater.
So the okay.
Yeah, I I realize that I really wish that I had my cursor here and I could actually because I'm pointing and I'm looking at this.
Yeah, so tell me, in in between the Browns, the Browning Building, Woodbury business.
I mean, I guess like I'm gonna take this out.
Well, the bottom line is what is so this concludes this concludes a lot of a lot of what that you don't know where the this does not definitively show where the where the crack.
No, it it includes and includes the map.
It so in particular, it includes the so it what it shows is it shows that Tyler's position is particularly included there.
So it includes that area.
Um it shows that there is a significant amount of so a lot of those microphones that are right near the stage.
I would say that a lot of that reverberant environment is making is giving misleading impressions.
Um it would make things a lot easier if we had more microphones up near the top.
Okay.
So basically, it's really difficult to do this if I don't have the ability to put my cursor in there.
Like I I'm gonna try again.
Like, let me leave and try to add my button in here.
Okay.
We're gonna see where that goes in a second, people.
Uh let's go to the go to viva barnslaw.locals.com and see what's going on in the chat over here while he comes back.
The number of set live cellular recording.
I guess the bottom line question is going to be what's this gonna show?
Okay, it'll it'll show that the no, I mean I don't even it in my view, like until there's evidence to the contrary, uh, you know, you all evidence seems to be that the shot was taken from and came from the roof.
I'm not sure if this confirms that or cast doubt on that official narrative.
All right, let's see, he's coming back in.
Um and then the other question is okay.
So let's see if you can bring it back up.
There we go.
Yep.
For some reason, screen sharing is just not work.
Well, look, get to so I guess we're gonna say like we have to I have to go, we're gonna have to raid redacted sooner than later.
Yeah, go go read it.
Well, what's the bottom line announcement?
I mean, basically, this program is when I'm when I'm done, uh I will actually put everything together.
Like every single time I actually release something, I mean it takes me eighty plus hours, sometimes a hundred to actually put everything together very carefully.
Yeah.
Um I can't I and I just can't do it with a uh a cursor here.
I have to be able to explain, you know, every little bit of error.
But um yeah.
Well, Andrew, now the bottom line, you you were there.
Um you witnessed it and you went through something of a rough time afterwards where people were suspecting that you were uh involved in or the shooter.
Um what what are you doing now?
I mean, are so have you been in touch with with FBI or law enforcement?
Yeah.
Re recently.
Yeah, I I mean I would say that the FBI um is not I mean the FBI is really not running the show.
It's really the state law enforcement right now.
Um the FBI, like it seems that the FBI is mostly um, I mean, they're collecting evidence, but it seems that it's primarily just the state law enforcement right now.
All right.
Um and now so where where are you gonna when you launch this when it goes live, where's it gonna go live?
Just to GitHub.
Um, and eventually we are, and then everybody can use it.
Okay.
Well, I well, I don't even know what a GitHub is, but uh your um it's just a repository.
It's a con uh so when uh when you'll be able to access it, uh and it's ready, uh you'll be able to utilize it.
Uh you'll be it corrects for the speed of sound.
The so there's lots of different errors in here.
Uh it will you can punch in the temperature, the altitude, all these different parameters, and it then it will actually tell you uh were you were you there when um when whoever it was from TPUSA took the uh took the memory cards out of the cameras?
Um you know they started doing those things.
Um those happened slightly afterwards.
I didn't actually really pay attention to those things because although I did take a photo of basically the scene afterwards.
And what was the what was the scene like afterwards?
Like the some of the uh some of the criticism was that they took down the crime scene way too early.
What did they do to secure the crime scene when you went back afterwards?
What was there?
You know, you had uh I mean a lot of students were utterly in disbelief.
Yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
I would say that.
And you had different levels of students freaking out.
You had like some of the guys were like saying, Oh, I had a sh photo, I had an image of him getting shot right in the neck, and they I don't want to finish that.
They kind of were sharing those.
And then you had uh girls kind of like uh the other normal people.
Um just I think there are a lot of people are kind of really freaking out from this.
I'm having auditory intrusions from this.
Um kind of reminding myself of all of it.
It's not pleasant.
Well it's um I I I did, you know, the guy who was asking the question when he got shot put out a uh you know a post afterwards, and um I mean quite clearly everybody there is everybody there uh has suffered trauma that will cause lingering PTSD uh for an extended period of time.
Zero question about it.
I mean, I'm struggling to sleep right now.
I can't.
I mean, one of the reasons why I routinely just go underground and don't talk is I can't.
I mean, I'm I'm still learning how to actually deal with all this right now.
And I I've I've spent years working through lots of my different traumas right now.
I've but you know, this is a new one.
All right.
Well, uh Andrew, I'm going to uh I'm gonna go uh deal with the chat for a bit, take some questions.
Um I've given your your your your your Twitter link or your Twitter, your Twitter account is your name, it's Andrew uh Piscadlo at Andrew Piscadla, P-I-S-K-A-D-L-O.
Uh, when do you launch this thing to make it uh accessible for the public?
Um look, it'll be ready when I think it's actually ready.
I'd say probably a month and a half.
Whenever I actually release something, whether it's a actual product or something else, it actually works.
So like this right now, the reason why I wanted to like do this immediately is because people were going after Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA had absolutely nothing to do with this, and I was absolutely frickin' pissed about that.
Well, I was I was I mean, I'm I I I was I I could imagine the at least if I were in your shoes, my primary I would have been wanting to clear my name, but especially since the uh there's I don't really care about my name.
How did you were you at were you actually on an APB?
Like an actual No, I wasn't.
I think P like the the absolute fuss that was kicked up about this was had to do with people who were um the absolute fuss that was kicked up about this had to do with Candace and then I me calling uh brought them to me sooner because this strap um the strap basically uh they went, all right.
We already needed we already were gonna like talk to him at some point, and now we're gonna like talk to him a lot sooner.
Four like I had 15 agents at my house, like, and this meant that four FBI agents had to go through you uh Utah County traffic.
It was like at 4 30 p.m.
And they had to schlep their happy butts, and by the way, Utah County police as well, who were securing the scene, had to come all the way through traffic and come all the way up to see me.
And this was like 4 30 to 7 p.m.
And like, and this meant that then they had to go back to Utah to uh Utah Valley, and traffic is really, really hard to get through at around that time.
And I mean, this really enabled the shooter to get further and further away.
Maybe he would have been caught, you know, earlier if you hadn't wasted time on me.
And I was never a person of interest or arrested.
So what did you accomplish by you know wasting time on me?
It's the fog of war when people put out information, they try to the internet tries to get the get the guilty, and sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.
Andrew, uh so I so the people have got your X when it's out, you'll let you'll let us know, and we'll uh people will crowdsource the information and see.
Although I mean at the end of the day, I don't, you know, not to be uh uh at the end of the day, I don't think people deny where the noise is going to have come from.
They're just going to claim that no bullet came from there, that it came from another angle.
Uh at the end of the day, people are going to entertain the theories as to who is behind this.
Um I think the most important thing to remember from all this, like, is in order to actually have another rifle on the roof.
Um, that person actually came down with a rifle.
And you know, you uh like we weren't able to screen share, but you know, this would require somebody else who is on like that other roof to actually take a shot.
We whenever we're able to do you know, talk about other shots, but yeah.
Charlie was doing this a lot, and like I I really wish we were able to kind of get into that.
Like I wish we weren't really talking as much about the program because that really wasn't as ready for everything.
But you know, as I mentioned, I've done a lot of shooting.
And you know, Charlie was really moving around a lot like this.
All right.
At any one point, like even if the angle is off a little bit, like whether it was a 300 blackout or 30 odd six, which is what the shooter was using, had it basically, you know, it went through his neck, shot was now clearly through the front.
Yeah, if it had just basically traversed and went, it could have just easily shot and then went down and like basically shot right down his neck.
Whether it was from that angle, or you know, correctly the shooters and the word the shooter took the shot from Tyler.
Any difference this way would basically solve it right there.
And until we like see the autopsy results and see the path the bullet actually took inside, we're not really gonna know.
And this kind of answers the whole question of as things go through, these questions are answered.
Probably stop going after Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk.
All right.
Well, Andrew, I'm going to uh I'm gonna go raid redacted and answer some questions in the chat.
Uh, everybody knows where to find you.
Thank you for coming on, and I'll uh I'll see you in the locals community.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Um I feel I you know it says kick, but I'm going to uh I'm gonna end the screen.
But Andrew, I'll DM you afterwards.
Thank you very much for coming on.
All right.
Let's do this.
Let's go over here.
But I have to do the raid, first of all.
I'm a little late now.
Hold on one second.
Rumble.
Did I get where is oh for goodness sake, I had it up in the back.
Rumble.
We're gonna go raid redacted.
They are uh warning about potential potential war with Iran again.
Close.
Oh, Glenn Greenwald is on.
Okay, go raid redacted, let him know from whence he came.
I'm going to go to our locals after party, confirm raid.
Everybody, I will see you tomorrow.
Tomorrow's Friday.
Tomorrow's schedule might be off because I think I'm doing an interview with Dinesh D'Souza.
Uh so I might be off schedule tomorrow, but we're gonna have a show tomorrow.
We'll see what time everybody go raid redacted, let them know from whence he came.
Hi alert, U.S. and Israel speeding towards war with Iran.
Influences being paid at $7,000 per post.
Holy crap, 7,000 bucks per post.
Okay, go raid them.
Let him know from whence he came, and I will drop into their chat and say viva raid.
Viva Raid Booya.
All right.
Local.
Oh, I'm sorry, hold on a second.
I'm gonna bring up the uh chat that I wanted to bring up a second ago.
Uh he has more data from microphones in clean air, whereas the microphones are not as affected by being in the bull of the amphitheater.
Or he needs to be able to clean out the echoes in data.
Canada Post owns 91% of Purillator.
The Executives make millions in bonuses.
They claim to lose millions over the last decade, yet they have kept the same management 100% corruption.
Yeah, there's a um there is a um looking for.com.
At least today it linked up, so we're good with that.
Here's the link to locals.
Boom.
Alright.
And we're gonna go over there.
Rumble, see you tomorrow.
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