Candace Owens challenges Turning Point USA executives regarding claims that Charlie Kirk informed Jewish donors of his abandonment of the pro-Israel cause before his assassination. Andrew Piscadlo, a photographer with a prosthetic arm present at the event, details his severe injuries and false accusations while explaining his acoustic analysis software, which currently shows significant error due to the amphitheater's reverberation rather than confirming the official roof-shot narrative. Piscadlo recounts a 15-agent law enforcement presence at his Utah County home that delayed the shooter's capture, arguing that definitive answers require autopsy data on the bullet's path and resolution of the angle of fire. [Automatically generated summary]
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Candace Owens and Donors00:08:24
And gentlemen of the interwebs, I have started one minute early to make sure that things are working smoothly on locals because yesterday we had something of a glitch and it was not running the stream on locals.
Today it looks like it's good.
And so we shall start with none other than the Candace Owens.
Behold!
I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true.
About 48 hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point.
As well as Jewish donors and a rabbi, that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright.
Okay, Charlie was done.
He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors.
Can you guys answer?
Did he express that?
Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself?
And then did he just 48 hours later conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our onstage reunion?
Could happen.
It's a yes or a no.
Okay.
Let's stop this ditching.
Let's stop the dodging.
Let's like explicitly, I want to hear from Turning Point USA that I'm lying about that.
I want you to say, no, no, it was just, you know, he was feeling a little bit of pressure.
No, I want you to literally answer what I have just said.
It either happened or it didn't.
I'm either making it all up or it happened exactly as I'm saying.
And while we're at it, may I ask, what is the name of the Jewish donor who sponsored the Hampton?
This would be one of those situations where, but for what it's worth, like I noticed in the chat over on Rumble, someone's like, How much y'all get paid to make Candace Owens look crazy?
It's like, first of all, I don't even really think Candace Owens is crazy.
And I'll explain that in a second that two things can be true at once.
And Charlie Kirk having expressed discontent at pressure from some donors or having turned down an offer, a lucrative offer to, I don't know, monies offered by foreign nations, that can be true.
And a trans motivated, confused young man involved in a relationship with another trans individual, a furry world of drug addiction and gaming, and their online community decided to get Charlie Kirk because they didn't like what he had to say.
He said, could be true as well.
And I feel like I didn't feel not like dirty and entertaining alternative theories.
You cannot have a closed mind.
To alternative theories or alternative explanations.
And certainly, I blame nobody for not trusting official explanations right now.
But even when you entertain alternative theories, you have to have some evidence to support them, to substantiate those underlying theories above and beyond I don't trust anything before my eyes, therefore I can posit whatever I want, which can never be disproven.
There have been videos, we've seen the clips of Charlie Kirk asking questions, questioning Israeli action, questioning, you know, What some might consider or argue to be blind loyalty by some.
Ukraine is our ally.
You say that so many times, and people are like, well, at what point does Ukraine cease being our ally?
And you can ask that question.
There were videos of Charlie Kirk asking the questions that people have been asking of Israel like, you know, okay, well, how far does this go?
Blind loyalty is one thing, criticism where it's warranted is another.
And then, as Candace Owens, he As she says, conveniently, which expresses a causal link, gets shot.
Two things can be true at once, and they might have both happened at the same time.
And then the only question is do you not believe, what's his face?
We don't even mention his name.
The shooter is the one who pulled the trigger.
Well, he was on the roof.
There's video footage of him running up and running down, but he didn't actually shoot the gun.
All right, well, there's sound that everybody heard, video there panned to that area.
All right, it was a detonated fake noise and the bullet came from his lapel.
All right, well, that's good.
So you can disregard the evidence that you have so that you can posit evidence that has not been adduced yet and that cannot be disproven.
You know, if you wanted to entertain the idea that Israel, Mossad, whatever was behind it because they wanted to get rid of Charlie Kirk before he could use his influential voice to turn a generation of 30 and under.
Conservative Americans against Israel.
And so they had to get rid of him before he could do that damage to Israel.
Well, you know, if you want to steel man that conspiracy theory, you'd want to work with the evidence that you have and then maybe suggest, okay, well, someone infiltrated this group of furries on the internet and motivated the shooter to do what he did.
The amount of untenable, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories for which there's zero evidence, but only because it follows a narrative that people want, it's ridiculous.
And I say not ridiculous to disregard them, but ridiculous as in until you have evidence.
All right, people look at the video and they say the shot could not have come from where it came from.
It had to have come from.
Oh, freeze frame.
Look at that.
The microphone is exploding.
That's where it came from.
Oh, and there's a guy in the front row detonating it because they have 23rd century technology, but they've got like 19th century detonation.
They need a guy within 10 feet to detonate the lapel bullet.
All right.
What's funny about what Candace asked, you know, like, I just want a clear cut yes and no, confirm this, and then it's a statement that is.
A number of conjunctions together.
Did he get conjunctions with subjective interpretations of actions?
Did he or did he not say, I am out and then conveniently next, you know, catch a bullet?
Candace is looking, and I don't fault anybody for seriously and plausibly looking to fill in the evidentiary gaps that currently exist.
To go from there to say, yeah, disregard everything that we've ever seen, it was fake blood CGI, he's still alive.
Sorry, there's a fine line.
At which point it becomes insane, like for lack of a better word.
Now, the man that we're going to talk to today, Andrew Piscadlo, for those of you who don't know, he's a member of our locals community.
I didn't put two and two together because at some point, I don't know when people in our community were saying Andrew is, you know, he'll explain what happened after the shooting.
I was thinking they were talking about Andrew Branca, you know, the law of self defense.
And I didn't realize that it was the Andrew Piscadlo from our locals community who was a photographer at the event the day of.
He's got a prosthetic arm.
And it's a futuristic looking prosthetic arm.
And I can understand how people thought that the arm might have been something else.
And he got into, I don't say he got into anything.
He was thrown into the mix of this because he had two very prominent figures.
And I think Candace was one of them identifying him as involved in the shooting.
And he's a photographer who's, we're going to explore who he is because he's a bit of a brainiac and quite an interesting guy.
I met him back at an Eric Hunley event when he was in Boca.
And he's a member of our community, he was there with his photography gear.
Did I bring up one of his tweets?
I have it in the backdrop.
And was accused of being the shooter for a brief moment in time, which is madness.
And ads quite literally put him in danger of reprisals when he had obviously nothing to do with anything in a world where people were understandably looking for who did this and exacting revenge.
Andrew's in the backdrop.
Andrew, when you're ready, activate your camera, activate your mic.
We're going to, this is going to be amazing.
I mean, it's going to be.
He developed a software, a technology that is going to.
He'll present the evidence, definitively identify where the sounds were coming from.
But I want to know what happened in his experience that day.
Andrew, sir, how goes the battle?
Fantastic.
So I need to look, we're not getting into childhood, but we need to know 30,000 foot overview who you are.
And then I do have some questions to get a little bit, not personal, but to understand.
How you got to be where you are in life.
Who are you?
The Excavator Incident00:04:52
Yeah.
So, my name, one second, make it more comfortable.
So, my name is Andrew.
I am, so right now I run a research institute, Utah Research Institute.
One second, this thing's going to keep dying.
I run a research institute.
We're based in Utah.
We develop everything from AI processors to, you know, Uh, point of care medical systems.
Uh, I'm finishing my MS in this semester in mechanical engineering, but I really don't do anything in that space really ever.
Uh, kind of how I even got to the point where I developed AI processors is uh, you know, I was torn in half by a 38 ton excavator uh, six days before I was supposed to start my PhD in mechanical engineering, um, right at the heart of the COVID 19 pandemic.
And when I say right at the heart, I mean, it was two days before the Chauvin whatever happened.
And I remember when I woke up, because I was in a coma for three weeks.
And then when I woke up, people were saying, there's riots happening.
And I went, well, what are you talking about?
And that was kind of a funny thing.
And, you know, I then, because I had so many health problems, I mean, my right arm was torn off.
I've.
I've had a very interesting life.
I've done a lot of, I ran a lab.
I was a cadaver technician.
When a lot of people ask, like, what is it you do?
There isn't really a clean answer because I've done so many jobs.
There isn't really one thing.
I've done farm labor.
I've done contracting, obviously, because I got torn in half.
I've done, like, at one point, again, pyrotechnician.
So a lot of times, even when I've seen these wild explanations, like, There was one time when I saw somebody talk about, like, oh my God, they're going into the culvert.
And this means that somebody reached up and, like, shot him outside of the, like, out of that culvert.
I'm like, well, if they were doing any kind of, because I actually went back there and I have a whole bunch of images from going back there, like, 10 days later.
And I could see that they had taken all the plants out of the pots and they had gathered a whole bunch of evidence.
And I've even done, you know, evidence related work and also, Worked with the person who originally founded the Utah State Crime Lab.
We can actually get into that because he actually worked several death row cases and we'll get into that too.
But if they had done that, they would have needed to access that culvert in order to turn off power and in order to deal with other things, in order to access, basically, in order to turn off some of those things.
No, there's no real suspicious thing related to that.
Anyhow, there's a lot of things I've done.
No, for yes.
And I, well, I look not to get too bogged down because we, you know, limited time and we want to talk about this particular incident, but I do, I can't not go on without knowing what happened with the excavator.
Yeah.
So I was, um, I was, uh, building the end zone to Rice Echo Stadium.
Um, when I was doing that, uh, I was working with the grader.
Um, this is basically a vibrating steamroller.
Um, and, As I was doing that, it was a remote control device.
An operator was not really paying attention with the excavator.
It was turning, and the back end of it basically turned and ripped over the back, basically, the top of the grader.
And I was yelling, Stop, stop, stop, trying to get it to stop.
There were other people who noticed it as well.
And then I had gone over trying to deal with it.
And basically, get all the equipment, try to move it out of the way, basically, with my device.
And I didn't realize he hadn't stopped.
And basically, I was in between this grader and the excavator.
And then he had moved again.
And when you have basically a really large object and basically up against another solid piece of metal and a soft, squishy object, you know, you're basically going to have something where you're up.
Broken Mandible Details00:02:41
You're going to be completely crushed.
I'll actually show some images.
You know, my upper maxilla region was completely crushed.
All these teeth are fake.
My mandible was broken in about three places.
Scapula was broken in three more places.
Six right ribs broken, one left rib.
Neck was broken.
When a lot of people ask, like, why didn't you run?
Why didn't you run?
Why were you like being so calm?
Like, I need to actually address this thing because this is really, really, really important.
Um, it's because I have been through so many goddamn things in my life, I have so many PTSD encounters.
I like, I am really, really still.
Like, I've survived, I've come back from death more times than you have digits on your fingers.
And I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about you, uh, anybody else who has 10 digits.
Um, like, while I was in the ambulance, I went, I died.
And I came back.
I had to pull myself out of death.
The grandfather helped me.
And because I wasn't done yet, I still had to have my daughter figure that one out.
Like, just while I was, because I've had to live in a lot of different places.
While I'm even here right now in this room, there's a twin bed behind me as I'm going through a really rough divorce right now.
But, you know, I will move on to another place.
And while I've been in a lot of really violent places, and like one of the, Experience I just had to have is, and she'll probably actually watch this.
I want you to know I will help you as soon as you're ready for me to help you.
SLCPD, the officer is ready to help you when you're ready.
She will watch this.
That's why I'm explicitly saying this.
She was getting beat on a regular basis by her fiance over and over and over again.
She was about seven months pregnant when this happened, and I had to.
Listen to it, and finally, she got like I was waking up to go to yoga at 6 a.m.
Okay, and he got it right in the stomach.
Like, I have audio recordings of this, notes of this.
And, like, I heard it.
Like, I've been an EMT, even, guys.
And I could hear a guy punched her in the stomach.
And I'm like, I'm struggling to wake up.
I've done first response.
Mossad Conspiracy Claims00:03:41
And I'm just like, I'm too tired to call because then I'm going to have to deal with them.
And fortunately, they got there quickly.
This baby was in the NICU for a whole month.
She made it.
He made it.
He made it.
Thank God.
But he still hasn't been charged for this.
Shit happens when you have almost no resources.
Why didn't I run?
Because I'm much more tough than you assholes.
I'm not talking about everybody else.
I'm talking about these people who think they're investigators.
Well, let's get to the investigation.
Yeah, let's do that.
I needed to address a bunch of these people who are like.
Think that I'm some sort of Massad agent and think because, like, let's get into this.
I wouldn't say Massad.
I'd say you do remind me of Terminator.
No, Marty McFly's father in Back to the Future won in the 50s.
But we'll get there.
Okay.
So, what were you even doing at the event in the first place?
Yeah.
Well, I was going there to talk to Charlie.
So, I was like waiting in line.
I was there to talk to him about, well, I'm really active in Utah politics, the precinct chair, state delegate, all the rest.
I'm active in other things.
Like I was at the Dr. Moore trial, what have you.
And very often, conservatives don't particularly care.
And I'm not a conservative, I'm a populist big time.
More harder, I'd say, than Barnes.
He'll probably disagree, but that's okay.
And I. Was basically going to mention that, you know, I don't really think that you guys are really care about all the Constitution.
You only particularly care about the parts you like.
And I was going to bring up the Eighth Amendment because there was the Ira, the Ukrainian refugee who was stabbed in the neck by that lunatic.
And, you know, I was going to point out you want more jail, more everything.
And that wasn't really the solution there.
And when he was going to point out, well, what would you suggest?
I would say, well, Trump.
Actually, should have ended the Ukrainian war by now.
And then I was going to point out well, I deal with these Ukrainian refugees all the time.
We would have had a very interesting discussion with the Ukrainian sex trafficking that I have uncovered.
So that's actually what I was going to do.
I arrived there at 10 20 a.m.
So early, and I have images from this.
Took it with my Z8.
It was fun.
I met a lot of interesting people, really interesting people.
There's a whole bunch who are probably going to watch this.
Liked hanging out with all of you.
The vibe was awesome.
I loved meeting all of you guys.
Even the people who disagreed with them, they were pretty nice.
There was one girl who was trying to avoid missing her theater class.
And she was like, I can't let them know that I'm nearly missing the class or I'm here.
And You know, as we were getting closer to the event, we started moving down the stairs.
And, you know, when I walked in, I felt that Charlie was like, it felt entirely unsafe.
Turning Point Event Shot00:15:12
And I remarked this to, I'm not going to shout him out because it, everybody is get like, there are lunatics out there.
And everybody, like, I've had people follow me, but won't get any further into that.
And I, like, one of the reasons why I took my Z8, even when everybody was out, that's my camera, and I took an image up top is it just, Like, I wanted to make sure I had an it, yeah, that.
Um, and I actually pulled this guy out.
This is, and this is the strap that everybody's freaking out about.
Fruitcakes.
Um, yeah, and I'll, I'll, I so you're out there to take pictures.
You wanted to talk with Charlie.
Um, and so, well, I mean, and to say like it was, uh, it felt like Butler.
Well, that, that's, that was, you know, a lot of questions a lot of people had because Charlie was.
Familiar with Butler, and we hadn't yet had full resolution on it, explanations, and certainly in this case, there was no protection from it.
A Butler like.
So, how does it go down?
You get there, you're snapping some pictures.
This was, I mean, it was.
Where were you when the shot rang out?
16 meters to his right, third step.
I went, as I said, I went back there and I took more images.
We'll look at them.
It's third step.
So, like as you look at it, I was on the third step, so we'd move further down.
And like, I've shot over 100,000 rounds at this point, like over my lifetime.
And I'm actually an extreme range shooter.
I'm even a competitive shooter for pistol.
And like, actually, while I was talking to people, there was another shooter who is also at Slipsa.
So that's the competitive range that I shoot at.
I'm at a range officer there.
And he went, wait a second.
Are you the guy who shoots with a giant orange tray out front?
I can even show a little clip of me shooting because, yeah, like I even beat other people who have two arms and I have just one that I can shoot with.
I've won competition shooting, or not one.
I can't, I never, but like in terms of shooting in even reverberant environments, so like when people say there was a second shot and no, there wasn't.
And there were other things that you, Oh, yeah, but one second.
And there were other things you just can't tell with, unless you were actually there.
And like, I'm talking specifically about even the trans stuff.
The cadence of like the speech and like Charlie's microphone was louder than the person who was speaking.
And like, specifically, before we even got going, I remember just like even just feeling like this really felt unsafe.
Like, I like one of the reasons why I took that big photo.
Is I was looking, I wanted to make sure I got all the security up top because you know, I think I saw some people, but like I remember shouting real loud, just going, the mic is too quiet for the person out front because I wanted to make sure I heard all the questions.
I want to make sure my question was heard, but like, and one of the reasons why I mentioned this, I mentioned this to the FBI is if there was like that, given that there was a shooter, the only way that they would like that, that whoever was taking the shot, cut.
The shooter would have been able to take that shot and basically like make a real statement.
Was because it really seemed like a statement shot.
Like when the shot freaking happened, it seemed like a statement shot as if he had a live mic feet.
It just felt like that.
Because, and if we can, we'll back up to a few things here.
How long into the event did it happen?
Like it started, as far as I understood, it was just it was not long into the event.
Second question.
Each question was supposed to last five minutes.
And by the way, when people are looking at timestamps, these are all not synced.
Very clearly not synced.
So it's not an indication of conspiracy.
It's just an indication of technology is not accurate.
Not everything is synced up to universal time code.
It doesn't matter if they're supposed to be.
You're going to bring up what you want to bring up.
This is the picture that you talked about to show.
Yeah, that's just one of them.
And then, okay, so let's get into this.
So, second question in the shot happens.
I'm just going to ask some, and again, like you were there.
Please ask.
It was clear because there were two things that happened there was the bang of a shot, and then there was the gasp of the crowd when they saw him bleeding, when the trauma of the wound was apparent.
That was the only time when people actually got down and the people.
Who got down first were at the front of the stage.
And I didn't get down really at all until I, because I immediately looked to where I thought the shot was supposed to be.
And was that roughly in the area from where the shot came?
Yeah.
But also, my work, because I looked where the shot eventually ended up coming from.
And one of the things that I'm going to bring up is the fact that.
Basically, everything from like I knew that Charlie was dead when that shot went out because like I saw him slump exactly the way he did.
Like the last elk I got was at 900 meters, heart, double lung shot.
I've shot probably over 60 animals at this point.
Um, and I wasn't going to say that Charlie was dead, no way whatsoever.
I wanted to make sure that I because I waited and listened as I move forward and um.
I was looking for IEDs near trash cans because what better way to make more chaos and ruin things than to do that?
But I waited for somebody who was right near the front of the stage to say what had happened because they saw that.
I didn't see his head explode.
And they said he's for sure dead, but he was shot in the neck.
I wanted to make sure I got that in.
And let me make sure I plug this part in.
And when I heard that, that's basically what I put out.
I said at the turning point event, a shot rang out.
I got down, didn't see Charlie Kirk afterwards, said he was shot in the neck.
Conversation was about a trans mass shooter.
So I did think that was relevant.
Don't know what happened.
And actually, one intervening question here.
Did you get any footage or photos of the incident that you did?
Did you get any?
And if you did, did you subsequently give them to the FBI for their investigation?
You know, I started to, or I basically.
I sent images to the police, and then I got links.
So, I did send images to the police and then I started uploading things, but I haven't.
I basically started putting everything in a GitHub and I'm making them all available to everyone else.
After this interview is done, I'm just going to dump all the videos I have on the GitHub so everybody can have them.
I think that's honestly a better way to do this because I have now, and I'm even going to put the call I had, the AI.
It's an AI summary of the call I had with the New York Times reporter because he called me like 10 minutes after the shooting because my post was the most accurate.
People have asked, like, very convenient that you were the first one called.
Yeah, it's because I run a 501c3 nonprofit.
I run multiple businesses.
I already have a high profile running research, I already have multiple vendors.
My dad runs businesses.
Does business all over the world.
He's already run for office.
My name is very unique.
I'll be making all this available and I'll make my program available so everybody can use it after I have about four different other researchers who, four of them, or three of them, all have PhDs.
Two things.
Actually, get to the one thing.
The shot happens.
How soon afterwards do you post anything on Twitter or X?
Let me look at it.
Because I also want to get into how you were accused of.
12 33.
Shot with a gun.
I have made it all the way through the cafeteria and I made it to my car.
I believe he was shot basically at, and I might get this wrong, but basically 12 20 ish.
Plus or minus two minutes.
Yeah, 12 23 or 12 24, because I've seen some people referencing Bible verses.
As I said, plus.
Plus or minus two minutes.
So you get there 10 minutes.
And what's the post that you put up immediately afterwards?
Yeah, it's at Turning Point Event.
Shot rang out.
I got down, didn't see Charlie Kirk afterwards.
Organizer close to the Charlie Kirk position said he got shot in the neck.
Conversation was about how many trans mass shooters he got there have been.
IDK, how Charlie is.
Pray for him.
I then went to the hospital that I knew he would go to.
Okay.
I wasn't able to get access to him.
But I didn't think I was.
I just wanted to figure out if that was the hospital.
And I know people who have, who know the surgeon who saw him too.
But how does it come to be that you are being floated on the internet as being involved or being the shooter?
I didn't really.
So, one, I'm wearing a.
Of my maroon suit.
I look different from other people.
I'm wearing a red hand, or not a red hand, but like I have, you know, this hand.
I didn't really run, but like it's this strap that was hanging out of my bag.
So this camera strap.
I have this strap because it's easier to, you know, I can actually remove it from my camera.
It's easy as that.
Like I recommend it for all of you.
If you use a camera, it's so much easier to use than the normal camera straps.
I got it from PictureLine.
I'll put the post up.
Which, good question.
I basically, a student took a photo of me.
Okay.
Which hospital was it that you thought, or I mean, I guess there's only one hospital.
Tipanogos?
Tipanogos, Intermountain, whatever.
It was like 10, five ish minutes away.
I basically went to whatever level two trauma center there was nearby.
Closest.
And I mean, he was.
We'll get into how he was shot, but like I knew that he was shot in the neck somehow, based upon like even the video I saw afterwards.
I just went, Oh, he's dead.
I was even like, How he went down, I just went, That's not good.
And then when I saw the video, I just went, He's gone.
Yeah, no, no, but like, by the way, for people out there, like, as somebody who's died multiple times.
And I sometimes wonder how long I have left on this earth.
I would honestly rather go quicker than have to bleed out and suffer a lot more.
Small comfort, but just take what you can.
How quickly does it get resolved and do the people who suggested you were involved somehow take down their tweets?
I mean, how long did that element go on?
Not until.
By the way, there's still people accusing me.
I appeared on Candace's show again yesterday.
And she went after Phil Lyman.
Hold on.
Do you mean you appeared on as in she referenced you or you went on her show?
I'm the mysterious man.
Like, I did a call with her shortly there afterwards.
So I was DMing her.
How this turned out later.
Let me make sure.
No, you're going the wrong way.
There we go.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was, how this ended up shaking out later, I ended up going back over to my lab, my facility, and how this works out is I've made quite a bit of friends over time.
From the Robert, from the Dr. Moore trial, there's a reporter named Edward Snull.
There's Snull, yeah.
And he's a good friend now.
And I actually recommend, he's from, he's the producer at Died Suddenly.
And he called me, but he was one of the most influential people in actually stopping the Dr. Moore prosecution and getting it dismissed.
I had a big role in that as well, but he, you know, with the press conference, with jumping in and getting in, otherwise that would not have happened.
So, just big props to him.
But he calls me and says, Do you know that you're being blamed for the Charlie Girk assassination?
There's an APB out in you.
And I go, Son of a.
Why?
There's photos circulating and Candace is doing it.
And I went, Of course she is.
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Tell me more.
And then so I call dispatch for Salt Lake County because that's where I'm located.
And I say, There's an APB out in me.
Can you tell me more?
Like, I'll, I'll, I'm happy to cooperate.
Like, I went back to the scene when I was there with my camera because I was going to try to take more evidence.
And I said, I'll give ever, I'll, I gave my name, just talking to them.
And I was like, give more evidence as it is.
And I actually put out a post very shortly thereafter saying, what did I say?
Because this is important.
In amplifier, I was thinking there were so many ledges you could get a shot from.
Easy chip shots with the 556 223, taken from 75 meters, 125 meters, duck down, and then duck down.
Immediately afterwards, uh, scanning the rooftops because I was, uh, where I was though, there was no way I'd hear the bounce of sound because there was so much reverberation afterwards.
We'll get into that with the program I made.
Um, I heard from an organizer, you know, the shooter in custody that was the wild guy, the crazy old man.
Um, I think he was just looking for attention.
Then he got busted for child porn.
I've got a theory that he was in on some of those Discord servers and you know, hanging around with yeah, I do too.
And I think they knew about it.
That's probably the thing you're going for.
Yeah.
Okay.
So now, hold on.
The question I was going to ask was I read the chat and I see the people floating conspiracy theories that I sincerely don't even understand what they're getting at, PSYOP and whatever.
You initially were skeptical as to where the bullet came from and how many shots were fired.
Yeah.
How I even got here was the rifle.
The rifle itself.
Because initially, what I saw was, you know, When the shot went off, I went, okay.
He got off the roof and made a getaway.
When I was there, I saw him get shot and it looked like it was straight through the neck.
Clean enough.
Surely there must be an exit wound.
So clear cut.
We're all good.
And then it didn't seem that there was an exit wound.
And then it seemed that there was a really big rifle.
And then it seemed that there was a backpack, and with no way that that rifle would fit.
By the way, many of these, like, we'll get through that.
And then I saw a Ukrainian connection.
And as I mentioned, I'm very familiar with this FBI field office, and I have kind of a raging hate boner for them.
And I know some of their work from.
Like a FOIA case, or not really a FOIA case, but some FISA warrant related stuff that they will talk.
We maybe talk about that in another episode.
But so I started pursuing this more.
And then I started saying, well, rather than saying I doubt the whole thing, I basically just put out one thing because there's a lot of people that I'm associated with within like the GOP that could even reach out and deal with the prosecutor.
And as I even said, I. Know a lot of people, even within LEO and LEO law enforcement officers, and within the state who actually could, you know, are associated either with the case or even have done a lot of shooting.
And, you know, I was even going to go through and just measure the backpack and just go, can a rifle even fit in here?
Turns out, you know, it would actually take over 12 inches up the top.
He actually was just tucking it into himself.
So that answer, that question was answered.
And then I basically decided I'm going to do the.
A question about the angle, because people were saying that from the angle of the roof, let me see if I can bring this one up, that he would not have been able to make this shot because of the awning.
So, Charlie, you could see my cursor.
Charlie was sitting here roughly.
Yep.
And there is, correct me if I'm wrong, it is not the case that this awning would have proved to be a visual barrier from where the shot is suspected to have come from.
From the prone position, likely.
Uh, likely not.
Um, however, you would like, I mean, I looked at that spot directly afterwards.
There were other people that looked at that spot directly afterwards, and I didn't get down immediately.
Um, even if he had a suppressor, there's still a teensy bit of muzzle flash.
Um, and right over, so I mean, move your cursor kind of up above the awning here, uh, up above to that like bridge area.
Higher.
No, no, no.
Like above, directly above the awning.
Here.
Yep, right there.
But like move down above that.
There was a mic recording that I use actually in my acoustic.
Basically, I'm calling it an open source spot spotter.
There we go.
And there was actually a person who was recorded right here.
All right.
And I even then took.
Images of that right afterwards.
They wanted an exact GPS waypoint.
And, you know, there were like girls and other people who were like leaning over that.
And, you know, they were like, they would have seen something, but they looked directly at where Tyler went from.
Where was that in respect of here?
So it has to be somewhere near this colored awning right here.
Like the shot itself is alleged to have come from where?
The shot itself basically you follow all the way along.
So I'm gonna go down here.
Basically go all the way to the right.
Yeah.
More, It's off screen.
It's off screen.
So somewhere on this roof?
No, no, all the way.
Sound Wavelet Analysis00:14:54
So it's not on here.
Okay.
It's basically 123 meters away.
So it's not on that image.
Okay, so I guess the thing that you're going to see.
Like, the thing is that it wasn't visible from my position.
That's where the shot was alleged to have come from.
Okay.
What did you make that geolocates based on the acoustics from all the recordings where the sound came from?
Okay.
I sent you one image, but we would have to actually share screens.
You can bring it up on your end.
I think you have full access to share screen.
Do I?
Yeah, there's a little computer.
Yeah, there's a thing with a computer in there.
Up arrow.
Cool.
All right, actually, before I do that, let me go in here, documents, find, move over.
I want to make sure.
Oh, I do not want to have these going.
There's Ukrainian related junk.
I want to not have this open.
Oh boy.
All right.
Utah Research Institute, Charlie Kirk Private.
Acoustic.
Let's see if I can just actually have it output once correctly.
And then I can have it just generate that thing from scratch.
Yeah.
JupyterLab.
All right.
Run.
Let's see.
Restart kernel and run all cells.
Doo-doo-doo.
All right.
Move over to here.
Try to go private.
Here it is.
Dev.
So this is all in a GitHub that I'm going to share afterwards.
We're still, like, this is, like, what we're going to do with all of these, all of this will eventually be made.
Into a program that we will.
Yeah.
So this program is still very much in its, I would say, pre alpha.
But when we've had several more developers look at it, we will then make it public and then everybody else can actually use it.
And then What I'm going to do, however, is I'm going to walk everybody through it, and you can look at the error and see how it even works.
I'll talk you guys through it.
Start screen share.
It's not start sharing.
You should just be able to bring it up.
You click the screen, click on the link, and then it says share.
All right.
One second.
Or text me the link because we, not to put pressure on, but we got to bring it up.
Yeah, I don't think that's working.
Tell me what link it was on the stuff that you sent me and I'll bring it up.
I haven't posted that yet.
I'm going to just send it to you and then I can talk.
Yeah.
I'm going to send you.
What I have, yep.
So I sent, so I, the email I sent you had the image.
So just pull that up.
Yeah, but which image is it?
It's a screen, it says screenshot because that's what it includes.
And I'm going to talk through each form of error it has because screen share isn't working.
And by the way, I'm going to, I am going to actually just release a video and do this myself.
Talk through the whole thing.
Okay, that's fine.
But from what you sent me, I have a big email.
It's got a tweet, it's got a bunch of stuff in it, but I need to know exactly what you want me to bring up.
All right.
Because, bottom line, we'll get to it.
Explain what it is that you did to geolocate where the sound came from, and then we'll set aside whether or not people think a round came from it.
I'm sending you another one, another email.
Okay.
You'll let me know when it's been sent.
But as you do it, explain to us what it's doing and what it's telling us.
Okay.
Multiple.
Here.
There you go.
Just sent it.
Okay.
It'll take a few seconds to traverse the intuit.
What is it telling us?
And I'll bring it up, but explain it so that we can get ahead of it.
Yep.
All right.
So, what this is doing is it's taking multiple mic.
So, what you're looking at is what's called a crack boom analysis.
Pull up the pre wavelet filter.
So, we're going to start.
I'm going to start trying to do this in a way that's not going to.
So, I'm bringing up the images in the link.
Yep.
I want you to pull up the pre wavelet filter.
There's three of the images I've sent you.
Yeah, hold on.
I have to make sure not to bring up my entire inbox.
Are you going to care if people see your email address?
No.
Okay.
Lots of people have seen it already.
And let's go here and let's go here.
Okay, so this is what we're looking at.
There we go.
Okay.
So what do I do?
Scroll down?
Yeah, scroll up.
I want to talk to the filter.
Okay, so where's the filter at?
Right, just basically this image here.
Okay.
Tell us what we're looking at, what you did to get this.
All right.
One of the things that, so in a crack boom analysis, which is basically what we're looking at, we're looking at a time difference of arrival.
When a shot is fired, you have, one second, my arm just came alive.
I'm just going to pull this off.
It hasn't been working for a while and it just decided to work.
When a shot is fired, you have, and it's right at the end here, you have the sound of the Bullet breaking the sound barrier.
So it's the shockwave is traveling faster than the speed of sound, or the bullet is traveling faster than the speed of sound.
And then you have the muzzle blast.
Now, one of the things that, and then what you can do is you can look at that delta, and basically, really close deltas mean that the sound hypothetically is closer.
And then, really, further ones mean that, or when it's further apart, mean that the shot would be further away.
And then, this time distance of arrival is kind of a measure of how far the shooter is away.
Now, there are several things that particularly matter here.
There are several sources of error.
One of the things that we're looking at with this bowl is it's really a reverberant environment.
You have the sound is bouncing off multiple things.
It's bouncing off the sidewalk.
It's an amphitheater.
I mean, it's basically an amphitheater sound.
They call it the courtyard, but I've been calling it an amphitheater because that's exactly what it is.
And what I decided to do here is I've used about 15 different papers to, you know, there's multiple different people who have figured out all the different.
Sources of error for these types of analyses.
Here, you have there's the error that is just involved with get hacking the start time.
And so that would be the crack of the sound.
And then the boom.
There are ways of actually just automating this whole process.
And as I mentioned, I build AI processors.
And these are designed specifically to measure.
You know, to do what is called, you know, EMG.
So they enable you to move individual fingers here.
This is basically the same thing.
This is single processing.
And one of the things that people haven't been doing, so now we can kind of move down.
So actually, when you look at this, you notice that there's a raw single and there's an unfiltered single.
I did that to show.
Just stop here for one second.
What does the zero to six seconds indicate?
This is basically, I decided to not have the whole thing in here.
Okay.
So this is the six seconds, or say about the five seconds before, this is the crack boom here.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this is telling us that a noise occurred.
And the question is going to be now how you geolocate where the noise came from.
And then we're going to have to deal with people who say the boom coming from that location at that time doesn't mean the bullet came from there.
Yeah, and I would actually need to listen to that as to whether that was where it came from.
There's ways of actually, so the system, the algorithm, would actually just go okay, three standard deviations above the noise floor is generally when you actually would measure when the start of the crack appears.
And that has been validated by the army.
You know, metrology labs, um, and many other people.
There's a particularly good researcher from the University of Montana who has been doing this for decades now, and he has measured that very well.
Wavelet noise, uh, or discrete wavelet noise denoising is the mechanism I used here, and um, it seems to have worked really well.
Okay, so tell us now what is this?
And I mean, I guess we've got to have the same thing, it's just a different mic.
Okay, so now what are we looking at here in terms of assessing where the audio came from or the crack?
All right, so here is where a lot of people have been, and even myself, when I initially looked at this, I was, I was, I thought that the shot came right from the like right from nearby.
All of these microphones kind of.
So, the ones really near the stage, basically, the crack and the boom are particularly close together.
And the ones further away, like, and again, this is pre alpha.
I have not finished working on this, are particularly further away.
However, when you start to incorporate the error, so the error of All the different microphones added together.
This starts to increase the error of all the, you know, this actually increases the error of where all the signals are actually coming from.
And hold on, just one second.
The blue pings here, what are those?
Those are microphones?
Those are all of the microphones themselves.
Okay, and the red ping right here is what?
Yeah, that is just because I have that included because I am actually going to open source the software eventually.
And, um, Make it available for, like, say that you're a say that you're somebody who, like, an inner city kid who you're being blamed by the police.
This would enable you to actually, you can basically upload an Excel sheet of a whole bunch of WAV files, and then you can actually use this program yourself.
I'm going to enable everybody to use this program with theirselves.
That's fine.
Okay, fine.
But so, what is, first of all, where's Charlie and all of this?
What is the, I mean, look, Andrew, Peter, what does this show?
Where is the there?
Charlie is right there.
Where my cursor is.
Yeah.
Charlie is, you know, right.
Look.
He's right, basically, right in the thick of all those, right in the thick of all that.
Okay.
And where is it concluding, based on all this, that the shot came from?
It's basically concluding that.
Redacted Raid Conclusions00:16:19
You know, it's right around the.
It's concluding that there's a lot of error, is really what it's saying.
That there's a lot of error.
Yeah.
It's saying that there is a significant amount.
Like, so if you look here, there.
If you look here, so some people have been taking these shots that are right here.
And here is where.
Never mind.
They can't see it.
So, you have to give me locations on this.
Let me zoom it up here.
Like reference numbers, Hall of Bags.
We got Amphitheater.
Okay.
Yeah, I realize I really wish that I had my cursor here and I could actually, because I'm pointing and I'm looking at this.
Yeah, so tell me, in between the Browning building, Woodbury business.
I mean, I guess I'm going to take this out.
The bottom line is what?
So, this concludes a lot of what?
This does not definitively show where the crack boom came from.
It includes and includes the so, in particular, it includes the so, it in what it shows is it shows that Tyler's position is particularly included there, so it includes that area.
Um, it shows that there is a significant amount of so, a lot of those microphones that are right near the stage.
I would say that a lot of that reverberant environment.
Is giving misleading impressions.
It would make things a lot easier if we had more microphones up near the top.
Okay.
So basically, it's really difficult to do this if I don't have the ability to put my cursor in there.
Like, I'm going to try again.
Like, let me leave and try to add my button in here.
Okay.
We're going to see where that goes in a second, people.
Let's go to the.
We'll go to vivabarnslaw.locals.com and see what's going on in the chat over here while he comes back.
The number of live cellular recordings.
I guess the bottom line question is going to be what's this going to show?
Okay, it'll show that the no, I mean, I don't even, in my view, like, until there's evidence to the contrary, you know, all evidence seems to be that the shot was taken from and came from the roof.
I'm not sure if this confirms that or casts doubt on that official narrative.
All right, let's see, he's coming back in.
And then the other question is, okay, so let's see if you can bring it back up.
There we go.
Yep.
For some reason, screen sharing is just not work.
Well, look, get to it.
So I guess we're going to say, like, we have to, I have to go, we're going to have to raid redacted sooner than later.
Yeah.
Go raid redacted.
Well, what's the bottom line?
I mean, basically, this program is when I'm done, I will actually put everything together.
Like, every single time I actually release something, I mean, it takes me.
80 plus hours, sometimes 100, to actually put everything together very carefully.
Yeah.
Well, and I can't, I, and I just can't do it with a cursor here.
I have to be able to explain, you know, every little bit of error.
But yeah.
Well, Andrew, now the bottom line you were there, you witnessed it, and you went through something of a rough time afterwards where people were suspecting that you were, uh, Involved in or the shooter.
What are you doing now?
I mean, so have you been in touch with FBI or law enforcement?
Yeah.
Recently?
Yeah.
I mean, I would say that the FBI is not.
I mean, the FBI is really not running the show.
It's really the state law enforcement right now.
The FBI, like, it seems that the FBI is mostly.
I mean, they're collecting evidence, but it seems that it's primarily just the state law enforcement right now.
All right.
And now, so when you launch this, when it goes live, where is it going to go live?
Just to GitHub.
And eventually we are, and then everybody can use it.
Okay.
Well, I don't even know what a GitHub is, but you're.
It's just a repository.
So when you'll be able to access it, And it's ready.
You'll be able to utilize it.
It corrects for the speed of sound.
So there's lots of different errors in here.
You can punch in the temperature, the altitude, all these different parameters, and then it will actually tell you.
Were you there when whoever it was from TPUSA took the memory cards out of the cameras?
You know, they started doing those things.
Those happened slightly afterwards.
I didn't actually really pay attention to those things because, although I did take a photo of basically the scene afterwards.
And what was the scene like afterwards?
Some of the criticism was that they took down the crime scene way too early.
What did they do to secure the crime scene?
And when you went back afterwards, what was there?
You know, you had, I mean, a lot of students were utterly.
In disbelief.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would say that.
And you had different levels of students freaking out.
You had, like, some of the guys were, like, saying, Oh, I had a photo, I had an image of him getting shot right in the neck.
And they, I don't want to finish that.
They kind of were sharing those.
And then you had, uh, Girls, kind of like other normal people.
Just, I think there are a lot of people who are kind of really freaking out from this.
I'm having auditory intrusions from this, kind of reminding myself of all of it.
It's not pleasant.
Well, I did, you know, the guy who was asking the question when he got shot put out a post afterwards.
And I mean, quite clearly, everybody there has suffered trauma that will.
Cause lingering PTSD for an extended period of time.
There's zero question about it.
I mean, I'm struggling to sleep right now.
I can't.
I mean, one of the reasons why I routinely just go underground and don't talk is I can't.
I mean, I'm still learning how to actually deal with all this right now.
And I've spent.
Years working through lots of my different traumas right now.
I've, but, you know, this is a new one.
All right.
Well, Andrew, I'm going to go deal with the chat for a bit, take some questions.
I've given your Twitter link, your Twitter account is your name.
It's Andrew Piscadlo, at Andrew Piscadlo, P I S K A D L O. When do you launch this thing to make it accessible for the public?
Look, it'll be ready when I think it's actually ready.
I'd say probably a month and a half.
Whenever I actually release something, whether it's an actual product or something else, it actually works.
So, like this right now, the reason why I wanted to do this immediately is because people are going after Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA had absolutely nothing to do with this.
And I was absolutely freaking pissed about that.
Well, I was, I mean, I was.
I could imagine the, at least if I were in your shoes, my primary, I would have been wanting to clear my name, but especially since there's.
I don't really care about my name.
How did you.
Were you actually on an APB?
Like an actual.
No, I wasn't.
I think, like, the absolute fuss that was kicked up about this had to do with people who were.
The absolute fuss that was kicked up about this had to do with Candace and then me calling.
Brought them to me sooner because this strap.
This strap basically, they went, all right, we already needed, we already were going to like talk to him at some point.
And now we're going to like talk to him a lot sooner.
For like, I had 15 agents at my house.
Like, and this meant that four FBI agents had to go through Utah County traffic.
It was like at 4 30 p.m.
And they had to schlep their happy butts.
And by the way, Utah County police, as well, who were securing the scene, had to come all the way through traffic and come all the way up to see me.
This was like 4 30 to 7 p.m.
And this meant that then they had to go back to Utah Valley.
And traffic is really, really hard to get through around that time.
And I mean, this really enabled the shooter to get further and further away.
Maybe he would have been caught earlier if you hadn't wasted time on me.
And I was never a person of interest or arrested.
So, what did you accomplish by?
You know, wasting time on me.
It's the fog of war when people put out information.
They try to, the internet tries to get the guilty, and sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.
Andrew, so the people have got your ex.
When it's out, you'll let us know, and people will crowdsource the information and see.
Although, at the end of the day, I don't, you know, not to be, at the end of the day, I don't think people deny where the noise is going to have come from.
They're just going to claim that no bullet came from there, that it came from another angle.
At the end of the day, People are going to entertain the theories as to who is behind this.
And I think the most important thing to remember from all this is in order to actually have another rifle on the roof, that person actually came down with a rifle.
And we weren't able to screen share, but this would require somebody else who was on.
Like that other roof to actually take a shot whenever we're able to do, you know, talk about other shots.
But, you know, Charlie was doing this a lot.
And like, I really wish we were able to kind of get into that.
Like, I wish we weren't really talking as much about the program because that really wasn't as ready for everything.
But, you know, as I mentioned, I've done a lot of shooting.
And, you know, Charlie was really moving around a lot like this.
All right.
At any one point, like even if the angle was off a little bit, like whether it was a 300 blackout or a 30 odd six, which is what the shooter was using, had it basically, you know, it went through his neck, shot was now clearly through the front.
You know, if it had just basically traversed and went, you know, it could have just easily shot and then went down and like basically shot right down his neck.
Whether it was from that angle or, you know, correctly the shooter's, the word, The shooter took the shot from Tyler.
Any difference this way would basically solve it right there.
And until we see the autopsy results and see the path the bullet actually took inside, we're not really going to know.
And this kind of answers the whole question as things go through, these questions are answered.
Probably stop going after Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk.
All right.
Well, Andrew, I'm going to go raid redacted and answer some questions in the chat.
Everybody knows where to find you.
Thank you for coming on, and I'll see you in the locals community.
Yeah.
All right, man.
It says kick, but I'm going to end the screen.
But Andrew, I'll DM you afterwards.
Thank you very much for coming on.
All right.
Let's do this.
Let's go over here.
But I have to do the raid, first of all.
I'm a little late now.
Hold on one second.
Rumble, did I get it?
Where is it?
Oh, for goodness sake.
I had it up in the back.
Rumble, we're going to go raid redacted.
They are warning about potential war with Iran again.
Copy, close.
Oh, Glenn Greenwald is on.
Okay, go raid redacted.
Let him know from whence he came.
I'm going to go to our locals after party, confirm raid.
Everybody, I will see you tomorrow.
Tomorrow's Friday.
Tomorrow's schedule might be off because I think I'm doing an interview with Dinesh D'Souza.
So I might be off schedule tomorrow, but we're going to have a show tomorrow.
We'll see what time everybody go raid redacted.
Let him know from whence he came.
High alert US and Israel speeding towards war with Iran.
Influences being paid $7,000 per post.
Holy crap, $7,000 per post.
Okay, go raid them.
Let him know from whence he came.
And I will drop into their chat and say, Viva raid.
Viva raid.
Booyah.
All right.
Locals.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Hold on a second.
I'm going to bring up the chat that I wanted to bring up a second ago.
He has more data for microphones in clean air, whereas the microphones are not as affected by being.
In the bowl of the amphitheater, or he needs to be able to clean out the echoes in data.
Canada Post owns 91% of PureLater.
The executives make millions in bonuses.
They claim to lose millions over the last decade, yet they have kept the same management.
100% corruption.
Yeah, there's a.
There is a.
What's the word I'm looking for?
There's another strike going on up in Canada, I think, with Canada Post.
All right.
Let's go to the locals.
Have our locals after party.
Rumble, see you tomorrow.
I got to see what the schedule is.
And.
We're going to see you live tomorrow, and I'll see everybody locals.
Let me give everybody the link before we go to vivabarnslaw.locals.com.
At least today it linked up, so we're good with that.