Viva & Barnes - Charlie Kirk Assassination FBI Updates - With FBI Whistleblower Kyle Seraphin

Sept. 11, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

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Charlie Kirk Assassination FBI Updates - With FBI Whistleblower Kyle Seraphin

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	All right, party peoples.
	Uh, I think we're live.
	I'm not starting with uh an intro video rant of A, because I'm not in the mood.
	Um, and B, I don't have much time with our guest who uh I've known from the interwebs for a little bit of time.
	Kyle Serafin, we've had our beasts on the interwebs, but I think we've made amends, at least uh it's a it's a joke.
	Uh I'll get Kyle out here.
	I only have about 25 minutes with Kyle.
	He's an ex-FBI agent, uh, FBI whistleblower.
	Uh, you've known him, he's done amazing work with the Jan Six investigations or the Jan Six um situation itself.
	And uh he's gonna explain a few things because I saw some posts of his on Twitter, and then we started talking about the uh those posts that I figure he's if he can come on to explain it himself, he will about uh the Charlie Kirk assassination.
	Uh Kyle, I'm gonna bring you right in so we don't waste too much time getting things started.
	Sir, how goes the battle?
	Uh it goes, it continues at all times.
	All right, I'm gonna just get the cat out of the bag of the elephant of the room.
	We've had our we've had our disagreements on Twitter, and I say like I don't take these things too personally.
	Uh, and I, you know, I've expressed myself and whatever.
	And I think you know, we've we've had discussions we've we have now talked, and despite whatever disagreements you you're I can determine now, wildly intelligent and know what you're talking about when it comes to these things and all things FBI.
	For those who don't know who you are, um, the quickest of overviews.
	Yeah, sure.
	Uh I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm an American, I'm uh Air Force veteran.
	I served in the Air Force for one enlistment from 2009 to the end of 2012.
	Um, I was a paramedic.
	I worked for the FBI.
	I was a whistleblower.
	I was there for six years.
	I worked counterintelligence.
	I worked in the surveillance program, primarily doing a lot of counterterrorism, watching uh bad guys that were alleged terrorists, found a lot of First Amendment violations.
	Um I did criminal for a couple months while I was in New Mexico, and then I found out that the FBI was surveilling parents at school board meetings, amongst other things.
	And I brought about four pages worth of allegations to my congresswoman, which resulted in me leaving.
	I was a vaccine refuser, so that was another double problem.
	And when the FBI kicked me out, I decided to uh turn up the volume.
	I went very loud.
	A lot of people heard me on Dan Bongino's podcast, and the issues that I've called out continue to be the same issues.
	A lot of them are about the First Amendment, which is why you and I can disagree on Twitter.
	Uh, and I won't take it personally because at the end of the day, I'd still sit and have a cup of tea with you if you want to drink a beer or something.
	Um, I don't have to agree with everybody and nobody has to agree with me.
	We can just be uh disagreeers in good faith, which I think is probably something Charlie Kirk would have said.
	Uh how long were you in the FBI for?
	It's been six years, and uh and then one year I was uh indefinitely suspended without pay, and it wasn't performance related, apparently.
	It was um some sort of personality/slash whistleblower slash uh don't get the vaccine and you're no longer welcome here moment.
	So I went 14 months without a paycheck at the end.
	That's wild.
	I mean, this will be the subject matter of another longer term, longer format when we have the time because uh you have an a very, very interesting um work life experience.
	But today only have 25 minutes, give or take.
	And you'll tell when you need to go.
	We we've all seen this.
	I I don't need to ask what your take is on all of this.
	Uh I just from your experience in the FBI.
	What goes on with an investigation like what they're doing with the manhunt, which from what I understand is still ongoing.
	Yesterday there was confusing messaging of FBI, Cash Mattello saying they've arrested somebody or detained somebody, then that they released him later.
	I was it you who said that you know this is bad when local law enforcement has different messaging than the FBI.
	I'm not sure if I heard that from you.
	Just tell us what goes on in an investigation like this, like the first 24 hours, especially with the assailant on the loose.
	Yeah.
	For anybody who has no experience with it.
	Well, first of all, this is not an FBI case, uh, not by proxy.
	I mean, it they don't have a what's called a federal nexus, which will allow them to come in and take over the investigation unless something happened that I don't recognize.
	But there's no obvious federal crime.
	Someone shooting somebody in a state is almost always a state level offense.
	And so homicide or manslaughter or intentional or anything else, all the physical crimes that you guys see, unless there's organized crime behind it, unless there's some sort of a special ideology that's predicated, and you have to actually go out and prove that to be able to open the case on the FBI end.
	This usually falls under what's called law enforcement assist.
	And the bureau does that on a fairly regular basis for smaller resourced local law enforcement and state law enforcement.
	So on a regular basis, you'll see the FBI get involved in the kidnapping case, even though it's not interstate, even though it might be, you know, like a parent that uh snagged a kid that doesn't have parental custody in that state.
	And so the FBI brings certain resources that occasionally can be helpful.
	Um, it's an argument whether or not it is a distractor in or whether it's a kind of a publicity grab.
	I know a lot of locals don't necessarily require it, but if you're looking for all hands on deck, and if you want a couple of extra men and women to go out there and drive cars and ask questions, then FBI agents are capable of doing that.
	But it's not their bread and butter.
	FBI does long-term investigation, generally speaking, complexed organizations.
	So you're looking at white collar fraud.
	You're looking at, you know, um transnational organized crime, which is going to be your gangs or your mafia types.
	They're going to do things like financial fraud and so on.
	Um, you know, missing persons is not really the FBI's gig.
	There's very few serial killer cases, regardless of what people believe on television and uh an active shooter case.
	It's really not the FBI's purview other than law enforcement assist.
	The upside is they do bring some special resources.
	So Nick Sorter was hitting me up just before we went live and he was asking me questions about the FBI plane.
	There's a couple of them that the Bureau has.
	They're stationed out in Manassas where I used to work out of, actually, used to work out of the airport.
	So I knew where the hanger was and all that.
	And they've got a couple of different private FBI jets.
	They've got some 747s as well.
	And occasionally what'll happen is the FBI will fly in an evidence response team for a national priority case.
	And this would obviously fall in that category.
	Las Vegas shooting, um, Pulse Nightclub, like take your pick, big events that are local crime, probably, but require immediate lab results and they can fly stuff back to Quantico on the plane.
	So it looks like the Gulf Stream 550 that the FBI owns and operates, flew out of Manassas, landed in Provo, was on the ground for less than two hours, and then turned around and went.
	So they could have gone and collected evidence, like the rifle if they wanted um very, very fast turnaround ballistics, or if they wanted DNA evidence done in the lab in Quantico.
	So you've got some capabilities they add.
	The FBI also has like some pretty sophisticated electronic capabilities underneath what are called the cast and the uh and the cart program.
	So that's going to be your computer um dumps, your phone dumps.
	They can do tracking and geolocation nets, and they'll do that for missing persons or homicides that are you know imminent and things like that.
	So all those things would be manhunt oriented.
	All right.
	And if they come in and determine this is an act of domestic terrorism, um, then the FBI has jurisdiction or do they do they claim jurisdiction?
	Uh, they can kind of move it uh kind of parallel.
	I would imagine that a domestic terrorism investigation would go parallel to the local.
	They're still going to investigate a homicide as a homicide, and and that's usually the first and the fastest way that someone's going to find justice.
	You definitely want them locked up on those charges.
	There's there's a kind of a higher burden to be able to do it on the federal end when it comes to domestic terrorism.
	It's not necessarily a domestic terrorism charge, is not necessarily a criminal charge, which might surprise people.
	A lot of what the FBI does is intelligence work.
	So in order to do that, they have to say what's what a predicated ideology would be and how that person was motivated by that and how that ideology drove to a specific violence and how that violence was, you know, furthering that ideology.
	So they have to meet a bar to be able to do that.
	And they would do that in parallel through what's usually called the joint terrorism task force or JTTF.
	Okay, very interesting.
	And now, do we make anything meaningful of the uh cash patel's tweets and then the subsequent, I won't say corrections, but the subsequent clarifications.
	Like, is this uh an FBI trying to keep the public apprised, or is this jumping um, I don't want to say jump, is this getting ahead of themselves in terms of announcing information that's not yet ripe?
	Yeah, I'll call it an unforced error.
	It's totally unnecessary to be first to press unless you're trying to win social media clicks.
	Now, look, I have a personal bias because I think the things that Cash Patel has been doing have been atrocious.
	And I've been seeing it from an FBI agent perspective and from friends that still work in the bureau.
	And we just had a lawsuit dropped yesterday from five people who I had some hand in being fired, although I don't feel great about that because I think they didn't follow due process.
	But five men were fired.
	They filed a lawsuit yesterday, and they allege that Cash Patel and Dan Bon Gino specifically are desperately involved in this PR mission and messaging campaign to try to like save the reputation and burnish sort of the um the shine on the FBI badge to the public.
	And all of that is a really, really terrible instinct.
	Uh, I think that you have to earn a reputation.
	You can't fake it on social media, you can't fake it on X. And so the American people will feel good about the FBI when the FBI consistently demonstrates what the American people thought they were getting for their 11 billion dollars a year.
	That's currently not the case.
	So what we saw was uh yesterday at one point in time, FBI director kind of scoops everybody and says we have a suspect in custody.
	Now he used the word subject, which is an FBI word, subject of investigation is what we use.
	So he says we have a subject, the subject, specifically he said, in custody.
	And then an hour later had to retract that.
	And I'm gonna call it a full retraction because he said we've released that person.
	So now he was undoing it.
	The thing is is he put the local law enforcement that were giving the press conference.
	He gave the special agent in charge of the Salt Lake Field Office who was part of it.
	And he gave the governor of Utah a moment of pause where they had to talk about what they called a person of interest.
	And that's the right term.
	Because you're not the subject of an investigation if you're a person of interest.
	You're somebody that we want to talk to, and maybe you have information, and maybe you know the person that did it, or maybe you're a key witness.
	A person of interest is someone that law enforcement is interested in, and it doesn't allege any wrongdoing.
	And so he used the wrong term, and I think he used it uh jumping the gun.
	This is my analysis, obviously, that I think that he did that improperly.
	And then I think it's really embarrassing to have to retract that because you put the governor in a bad spot.
	You put the local um police and the state police in a bad spot, having to answer for something where you don't want to embarrass the Trump administration per se, especially if they're adding resources.
	But what do you say when the guy's wrong?
	And so he pulled it back a little bit later, and now we have this manhunt that's going on.
	And I hope they find him alive.
	Well, and then that's that's the other issue.
	Is I at that point, I I didn't I read it the way other people were interpreting it, or at least I read the way other people were interpreting it, and they thought the suspect was in custody, so everyone sort of let their guard down.
	Yep.
	Um, okay, the question is this though.
	You saw, I mean, look, you you've seen all the video now, and and from your uh perspective, there was an uh an old man who was saying, I I know my rights or something long.
	You have to read, I don't have to say anything.
	You have this guy who's accused of celebrating as everyone's ducking their heads.
	Yep.
	Um, the the distraction of the old man, which people thought was the shooter, might have allowed or you know, cause a distraction for the shooter to get away.
	Very speculative, um, coordinated, or is this a shooter using a known crazy person?
	Because some people were saying, oh, that guy's a known uh mentally unwell individual.
	Is this an orchestrated uh event, or was it just people reacting to uh the stimuli on the ground?
	Way too early to say not enough information to make a determination.
	So we can leave it as an open possibility.
	But as you know, if you're an observer of human nature, crowds draw crazy people, just like they draw people who are of good faith that want to show up and listen.
	Um, they they bring people who want to protest, they bring people who want to hear the message, they bring people who want to uh just air their own message, whatever that may be.
	And this guy who the old guy that they they wrapped up was a guy named George Zinn, as I understand it, and immediately was a known person to people that were bystanders interviewed by Fox News as I saw it.
	And he had been arrested or he'd been questioned in uh some sort of uh, you know, terrorist phone call.
	He phoned in a bomb threat or something like that in 2013.
	So he was somebody that had had some sort of grievances and people knew was kind of like, you know, maybe not all there when it comes to that.
	So does that have to be uh a part of a plot?
	It doesn't.
	I think what people don't realize is that to draw all these human beings into a conspiracy and a plot, the more people that you involve, there's an infinitely higher level of complexity that you start dealing with.
	So everybody wants it to be this like Jason born, they want it to be a movie style.
	There were 20 people, they were all in on it.
	People don't keep their mouth shut.
	That's number one.
	So that when you start putting more and more people in, you have more possibilities for leaks.
	The easiest thing to go slip by the radar is one guy doing one bad thing, and it doesn't take a huge amount of uh skill to go and get on a roof and walk up there and be what we call skylined, where you can see them and the silhouette against an open sky.
	That is not a professional tactic.
	Anyone who's ever done any military training knows you you go three quarters down or you're gonna you're gonna crawl up.
	You never want to put your body silhouetted against an open sky.
	So there's nothing that indicates this has to be a professional hit, not the shot, not the infiltration, and not the ex-fil.
	I that's what I want to get into the shot.
	Um, because first of all, uh thank you for coming on because I I I will not be able to discuss this without getting uh very, very um upset.
	And it's tough to talk, not dispassionately about something, but uh you almost feel guilty doing it, but uh you're gonna help me do it.
	People are saying this shot was uh a professional shot.
	Now, I I know I was telling you, like, you know, privately, I I just recently went to a uh shooting range up in uh Chattanooga or north of Chattanooga, and the guy I went with said here here, as a matter of just take this, you've never fired an AR-15.
	Uh, here's a shot at a uh uh a target that's roughly a third of the side of a size of a human at 50 yards.
	See if you can hit it.
	And I hit it on the first shot.
	And then he's like, well, that is effectively what Crooks was looking at uh in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	Everybody, some people who are not familiar with firearms are saying this was a sniper uh shot, you know, uh highly trained, and it seems that anybody with any meaningful experience With firearms is saying this is a basic shot that every every hunter can make and every kid can make.
	Can you explain?
	We what we know from now is it was at roughly 200 yards, elevated position.
	The the rifle, it was a uh Moser 30.30-06.
	That you'll tell me what the caliber means.
	Yeah.
	Uh is is it a particularly hard shot?
	Is this rifle uh what can you garner from the rifle that's been identified as the weapon?
	So they they claimed it was a Mauser, and they said that it was what's called 30 06.
	So that's how it's pronounced 30-06, 30-6.
	It's a very common caliber.
	It's been used since at least World War II.
	The United States had a battle rifle that was fielded in 306 and the M1 grand.
	There's a bunch of different weapons that handled it.
	There's some stuff that was made in Europe as well.
	And then it's a very common deer caliber at this point.
	It's got a pretty good range, it's got pretty good power behind it.
	You can knock down a deer, you can knock down an elk.
	People will occasionally use it for bear, although it's probably a little bit light for for like a brown bear.
	So it's it's a very competent, capable hunting rifle.
	I've had one fired right next to my head, and someone shot a deer on one side, and I've seen the other most common caliber up in uh the Western States, which is like a 300 wind mag, and they're and they're kind of, you know, they're always in competition.
	Who's going to use what?
	Whether you use a magnum or whether you use this 30 odd six.
	Um, as far as difficulty goes, a 200-yard shot is the zero.
	I actually brought this for fun, just for you.
	Um, these are some some rounds, these are 308.
	I've got some 308, I've got some uh 6'5 Creedmore here.
	I got a handful of uh of hunting and distance type shooting rifles.
	They all zero at 200.
	Explain, explain what that means, zero at 200.
	So when you put uh uh what we saw was basically a sporterized or maybe like a synthetic stalk on a Mauser action rifle, and they claim that it was 30 odd six, but it doesn't matter if it was 308 or if it was six five or any of the other calibers, that's just the size of the bullet that's going down the barrel, and there's a cartridge behind it that that powers it.
	But at the end of the day, if you put a scope on top of a rifle, the only way that scope is functional is you have what's called a zero.
	And the zero means that with no adjustments on the turrets, when you point it at a certain distance, it will hit exactly the spot that you aim.
	And so people zero hunting rifles at 100 yards sometimes.
	But more commonly with more powerful rifles, 308, it's very common.
	It's also very common in 30.6 and some of the Winchester Magnum cartridges and six five Creedmore and so on, they will zero them at 200 yards because that's the top of the arc.
	Every bullet comes out of a barrel, it rises in elevation slightly by a couple of inches.
	It peaks at the highest point.
	That's usually where you zero it.
	And then there's a drop-off as it goes and falls to earth as it kind of you know gets carried down by gravity.
	And that fall off curve depends on the power of the bullet and the ballistic coefficients and the way that it travels.
	But at the end of the day, you need a zero point where you say, at fill-in-the-blank number yards or meters, this is a flat shot where point of aim is point of impact on that scope.
	That crosshairs equals that's where the hit is.
	And most people do that in these bigger rifles, the bigger calibers, anything 30 caliber enough, they generally do it at 200 yards.
	So a 200 yard shot is something a 10-year-old in Alabama is making every single day if they go out and go deer hunting.
	Probably don't get a 200 yard shot out in Alabama.
	But if you go out to Utah, which is where this was, if you go to Wyoming, if you go to Montana, you know, if you end up in Idaho, these are very normal shots, and people take deer at 300 and 400 and 500.
	So then they adjust what they call the dope, which is the amount of expected drop that bullet will have over a certain period of time.
	So you go, oh, here's my range finder.
	Boop, that's a 440-yard shot.
	At that point, it should drop 16 and a half inches.
	And so I'm either going to hold a little bit high, or I'm going to dial it in on my scope, and I'm going to take that shot and I'm going to basically change the zero of where the scope hits.
	A 200 yard shot is not a professional shot.
	You know, people who are brand new marine recruits make 500 yard shots with iron sights on a regular basis.
	Um, at least they used to.
	Now they probably use red dots.
	But there's an entire history.
	There are there are literally millions of men and women in this country who can make a 200-yard shot.
	And they don't have any particular, you know, professionalism.
	If you ask them if they were a pro, they wouldn't say yes.
	They would say, no, you know, I do some hunting.
	So it's not, it's not exceptional shot.
	The other thing that I saw too, and you may have seen this.
	Um I'm able to kind of divorce my mind and get into the technical aspect of it, because I did a podcast this morning that was very emotional.
	I feel you're probably in the same spot.
	I watched that that shooting in very slow motion from several angles, uh, like a lot of times yesterday, and I felt sick to my stomach for most of it because it's really nauseating.
	Is a one-year-old son I found, and he's got a three-year-old, my daughter just turned two, and I've got a four-year-old and the six-year-old.
	I I'm appalled for the family and all the horribleness.
	So I'm watching that and I'm digesting at the same time what I was seeing on the screen.
	And what I saw was an impact, what looks like soft armor, which would make one, it would make sense.
	Two, I heard John Solomon and some others say that he was wearing a vest of some kind.
	That's very common for public figures.
	And that there was an impact basically right about here.
	It's kind of like a sternal area on his chest.
	And it looks like he had penetration of that ballistic plate, which is usually a lower level of armor than would stop a rifle like that.
	And then what I think people saw on the neck was actually an exit wound.
	And that's also pretty common.
	Now, again, my background, I was a paramedic.
	I've had people die in my hands.
	I've had people from gunshot wounds die in my hands.
	So I know a little something about ballistics.
	I know a little something about shooting, but I also know about the medical end on the other end.
	And there's a lot of blood vessels in here, you know, the aorta, your subclavicular arteries run up.
	You've got or your subclavian, maybe you've got your uh your two carotids going on each side.
	There's jugular as well.
	Um, so there's a lot of blood and a lot of pressure that is in this space, and there's not a lot of bone mass other than your your your uh vertebrae.
	So it's very easy to deflect around outside of this very soft tissue here.
	And that's what happens when bullets hit ballistic armor and they go through it, there's still a deviation in course.
	And then when they enter into body tissue, then behavior gets very, very erratic because you're dealing with multiple different densities and the time you hit, you know, bullets, things glance off.
	There's guys who have been killed by shots that go into their, you know, with a 22 round, a tiny little bullet that shouldn't kill anything, and it'll go and hit him in the armpit and it'll travel along a bone, it'll drop right into the heart.
	And so bullets do strange things in bodies.
	Anyone who's ever hunted knows that.
	And anybody who's ever seen like uh, you know, an emergency medical treatment knows that as well.
	You can't rule it out.
	When you see an exit wound, it kind of tells you where the path is.
	And if the passes enter here and out there, then you know that it went somewhere in this area too.
	And I don't even think it was survivable from the first onset.
	From looking at it, it looked fatal right away, which is why I was so sickened by it.
	Um, but a lot of people, I think, missed the ballistic panel piece.
	You can see his entire shirt reacted.
	And that doesn't happen with a t-shirt.
	That happens when you have something that has, you know, some mass behind it and is designed to try to stop the bullet.
	And it does a little bit, it slows it down, but it'll perforate it right away.
	And you know, they're not wearing rifle plates underneath a t-shirt.
	You're usually wearing level two or level three or level three A armor.
	Um I don't know.
	So one shot, the the individual sees what happens, doesn't take a second shot that that we know of.
	You you you do have it on on your understanding that Charlie was wearing a uh something of a vest.
	Yeah.
	So John Solomon said that he's a known outlet for for cash and Dan.
	In fact, I've met John Solomon through Cash and Dan uh a couple years ago.
	And and also visually, it makes sense.
	And look, this is very common for public figures right now.
	Guys, for like a thousand dollars or less, you can get a very, very decent, incredibly hard to see, low visibility body armor.
	I used to wear them in the FBI when I was doing surveillance.
	We used to wear what's called level two.
	That'll stop a majority of handguns.
	And then we had some a little bit more elaborate stuff that we'd wear for operations, and that was level three A. And you can go all the way up to wearing what's called level three.
	The last one that people are familiar with, they've seen in the military in the movies, is that plate where there's like a uh either a steel or a ceramic or some sort of hybridized plate, and that'll stop a lot of rifle fire, but not all.
	And and you know, those are actually pretty visible.
	They have a thickness to them and they have a hardness that doesn't move with your body.
	But you know, you're a fool if you're out in public.
	And I don't think that this, you know, he had a security detail.
	He had security in his mind.
	It would be ridiculous to assume that he didn't have some level of protection.
	Because how easy is it for someone to walk up and pull a handgun?
	And that's what you're that's what the security detail is thinking.
	You know, we need to be able to stop an immediate threat.
	Somebody who's gonna have uh uh, you know, a low caliber pistol, a nine millimeter, a 380, something like that, who's gonna take a shot from a crowd with a microphone and use that opportunity to get close, and then you have the opportunity to save your your principal, the protectee there.
	Nobody expects a 200-yard or 300-yard rifle shot because you can see, just look at the news.
	We don't have that happen.
	That's another reason you know it wasn't a professional.
	There are no professionals that are regularly going and doing 200 and 300 yard assassination hits.
	Assassins right now that work for nation state actors, if they were going to take that shot, it would be in a third world country.
	If they were going to do it in the United States, they'd poison your hamburger.
	They'd hit you with a with a semi and make it look like an accident.
	You know, there's just there's no reason that you would have this TV style movie style assassination.
	It's just not the way that people do business because you can't get away from that.
	Um, you're you're physically have to be there, and you have to be what, 300 yards away or 200 yards away.
	You immediately are set with a situation.
	And it's because we don't actually expect people to do that, and because they didn't have a drone flying up over that, you know, imagine that you put one drone up there for a thousand dollars, and you've now mitigated all the rooftops as cover.
	What drives me, and that's like admittedly, you know, people are saying, Vivi, you know, that the security was for crowd control and this, you know, from from short proximity.
	Yeah.
	But having seen what happened in Butler, and Charlie was, you know, one of the most vocal, prominent uh supporters or or uh allies of the Trump administration for sure.
	To have this in such an open field and and not to have whatever that's going to be the easier thing is playing uh, you know, after it happened, what could have been different?
	Uh, but the individual did get away.
	That's the other thing, at least we're now we're knowing.
	And we're couple things that are problematic.
	Number one, nobody sees this coming, so you can always quarterback it after the fact.
	I don't like doing it.
	I I also noticed that they didn't have an ambulance staged and you had uh maybe a thousand people there.
	It's very common to stage a BLS, what's called basic life support, or an ALS unit, which has the capability of carrying blood.
	Um, transporting somebody who's been shot in a in the back of an SUV is doable, but it's really, really hard to do effective medical care in that.
	So you do that under the worst case scenario and you have lower survivability.
	Having an ambulance would have been the right move too.
	But you know, we can look at that and say, hey, these are all the things that were wrong.
	I think it goes to to what I understand about Charlie's character, having seen him, I'm you know, he's an incredible talent.
	That was obviously the case.
	He was incredibly gifted at what he did.
	And I think he also had a high degree of faith in human beings because he went out and engaged in good faith debate with people who obviously hated him.
	And so people who do that are assuming a certain amount of risk.
	And and there's always a risk when you go and expose yourself to the public, no matter where you go, no matter who you are.
	And so, how much you're able to mitigate that and still have free discourse.
	If if your spirit is we're going to have an open conversation, but I'm also going to have like a bunch of plexiglass in front of me and I'm going to hide behind walls.
	I don't know that that sends the same message.
	And he was a young man.
	Um, he lived a life that hadn't experienced a lot of violence.
	It's not something that's common in the United States.
	This is not a common thing.
	That's why we're calling it an assassination.
	It's clearly targeted and why it's so effective to so many people.
	We haven't seen stuff like this since the 60s.
	So, you know, it's very easy to look afterwards and say a thousand dollar drone could have saved lives, and an ambulance on scene might have saved lives.
	And I would say those things are true.
	That's obviously true.
	But a man goes out and assumes the amount of risk that he's going to take in the world, and some of it has to do with his faith in humanity.
	And from everything that I saw of Charlie Kirk, not knowing him personally, it looked like he had an awful lot of faith in humanity that we could talk and come to consensus, and that this wouldn't be the case.
	And, you know, it's horrifically sad.
	I'm gonna bring this up.
	This is the suspect.
	Let me know when you need to go.
	Um, so this is you know, the breaking news of the suspect who's been identified.
	Right.
	Um, I I don't know if you've been able to do any meaningful uh insight or research into the shirt, which looks like an American flag with I don't know what that thing is.
	Um first of all, by the time the FBI releases this, I mean, what what are they doing in terms of scouring whatever they can by way of evidence?
	First of all, it's gonna be local law enforcement and not FBI at this point, or both.
	I think it's both, you know, you're gonna use manpower to go out and physically knock on doors, you're gonna open your, you know, walking through areas, you're combing and looking for shell casings, you're looking for, you know, drop backpack, drop gloves, clap, you know, dropped clothing articles, whatever it may be, because the smartest thing to do if you're in a situation like this is to change your appearance.
	Um, I've taken classes on how to do that.
	I used to work surveillance, and I've met somebody, I've met the same person three times in one day, and they didn't know that I was the same person.
	And I'm pretty recognizable, in so much as I can't change my beard and I can't change my hair.
	So you swap out hats and sunglasses and and actual glasses and your clothing, and you go from being in a t-shirt or a hoodie to being in a suit and things like that, and your shoes have to change.
	So if somebody is smart and knows what they're doing, they can go and ditch all that kind of stuff.
	And so you're looking for those items, obviously, it gives you a route of travel and so on.
	They're trying to do electronics and they're gonna be scrubbing cameras.
	Um, so many people have Teslas that have the ability to record.
	You've got so many things that are gonna be university, probably lower quality surveillance photos, but apparently we've got these.
	There's real questions about that picture that I see there, though.
	Where's the rifle in that?
	When was that picture taken?
	What's the context?
	And unfortunately, we're dealing with a world where if the FBI is leaning heavily on this, they're really bad about giving the public information.
	And so when was this taken?
	And during what part of his evasion route was this taken?
	You know, was this early on when he started his E process, or is this after he he ditched the gun?
	If he's in a building that he was leaving, where is the weapon system?
	We heard it was in the woods, so all that's kind of weird.
	And um, you know, we're not gonna get transparency, and everybody wants to be an internet sleuth and solve the case on on on X, or they want to solve it on on Facebook and on social media, or they want to go into the Rumble chat and and throw their theories out.
	The other day, I promise you, having been on the other side of investigations, you don't have enough information.
	They have way more than they're gonna give you and way more that they know.
	And so the question is is how much is relevant to regular people?
	I think a lot in this case, because a shooter who just did that represents an ongoing sort of public danger.
	So this is the same kind of FBI that I saw that had no problem killing a man in his house in the same town two years and one month ago on August 9th of 2023.
	They went in and grabbed a guy who supposedly made threats against Biden.
	And I'm very upset that we're talking about the same FBI that had no ability to present prevent this.
	We spent 11 billion dollars and they try to tell us that they're keeping us safe from sort of external threats and violent ideology and people that are saying these things online.
	And the reality is they can't.
	And so, you know, this is actually goes a piece of what my whistleblower's disclosure has been about is that the First Amendment is not something the FBI looks at universally applicable to all people.
	And they do tend to like factionalize it.
	And if there's there's funding behind it, or if there's a political ideology that they really want to target, like they targeted an old man who could barely walk down his driveway to get his mail, they killed that guy in Provo, Utah, two years and one month ago.
	And yesterday, a friend of the president of the United States of America who has his phone number and can pick him up and make a quick ask of him was completely unaware of a of a threat that probably didn't hatch out of nowhere.
	The odds are someone had some discussion, even if it was just internet search history.
	And I don't think the FBI should actually be involved in that.
	I'm we should have a debate about that one day, but we can't do pre-crime.
	And all this does is prove it.
	They can't actually do pre-crime, and the people they catch are probably not ever going to be the violent, you know, threat that they act like they are.
	Well, well, we will see because you do when you talk about the plot, people would have, you know, people more mouths, more speaking.
	There was some chatter online, some posts online, which I you don't know what's real and what's not at this point, but there's appear to have been some chatter, some some posts either on blue sky, something big is gonna happen at uh I've seen those as well.
	Yeah.
	So the question is this either that happened, like nobody operates in a vacuum.
	If some guy packs up his deer rifle in the middle of the day and goes walking out wearing a black shirt and a black mask and a black hat on and has a rifle slung over his thing and some gloves on, somebody sees that coming out of an apartment building, and it doesn't look normal.
	That's not what they normally do.
	So now that you mentioned that, in Butler, the issue is that um he put the he he assembled the rifle together because it was a the stock could be separated from the body.
	This is a solid one piece.
	This is this like it doesn't break down into two smaller components.
	No, from what we saw, that's not the case.
	So you've probably got either a 22 or a 26 inch long barrel in and of itself, and you got another 14 or you know, 12, you know, 18 inches behind there of the stock.
	This is not a small item.
	You have to have a bag that's 48 inches or 52 inches long to be able to sling it.
	And it looks like a rifle bag.
	That's what they look like.
	You know, that you can hide them maybe in the right kind of guitar case.
	But at the end of the day, the odds are you're walking around and somebody knows that you're carrying a weapon system and you don't normally do that.
	So somebody saw something.
	I actually had one of my listeners reach out to me and say that um his daughter got into an altercation with the pictured man in the in the and and that he was yelling about some sort of ideology two months ago on campus, and she was at the event.
	So, you know, people have interacted with this person.
	There are people in the area that know his name.
	The interesting thing is they haven't shared that name with us, and that seems like something they should have been able to find pretty quickly.
	But I hope they get them alive because at the end of the day, what we need to hear is why.
	I think people are gonna wonder.
	Otherwise, you're gonna get more of the Butler conspiracy things where people wonder, you know, was it a solo?
	Was someone put up to it?
	And and they're never gonna get put it to rest.
	And the reason is because people don't trust the FBI at this point, and I don't blame them.
	And they're gonna have the same sort of because the FBI is involved, they're not gonna trust what local law enforcement says either.
	They're gonna assume that they got pushed into it.
	So the answers are not gonna be complete for anybody who wants it.
	Yeah, and I'll get into the conspiracies after you go because they're I say blame.
	Some are blaming Israel already, which I you know, piecing together older videos are a couple of weeks, couple days old of Charlie on on various podcasts.
	But I'll I'll get into that when you're not here.
	Sure.
	Kyle, I know you got to go.
	Uh let me know when you need to go, but where can people find you?
	Yeah, people can find me on Rumble.
	It's uh Rumble.com slash Kyle Seraphin.
	You can find me on X at Kyle Seraphin.
	That's the handle on the screen right there.
	And people can find that if they want to follow me.
	Uh, I have open DMs, you can send me all your crazy ideas.
	You could tell me that you hate me too.
	I'm okay with all those things.
	It doesn't bother me.
	This is it's the internet, so it doesn't come home with me.
	Um, but I do get a lot of people that have really thoughtful ideas.
	And and so, you know, sometimes we can piece this together, but at the end of the day, if you're out there trying to solve this crime, that's this is gonna be my thing.
	You want to do something useful, pray for his family.
	Um, you can pray for the reports of his Soul.
	And you can pray for like America not dropping into more violence because I think that on July the 13th of 2024, we had a door cracked open in this country.
	I I it took my breath away when it happened, and they took a shot at Donald Trump.
	And I'm not the biggest Trump supporter in the world, but I definitely don't want to see a politician while my kids are little.
	And then this kicked that door open.
	So whatever that blackness is that's outside that door, it hasn't it has an open route because people saw that you can take a shot at a public figure in a public place and you can at least get away with it for the first 24 hours, which is what's happening right now.
	And have the celebration of a meaningful, potentially real, potentially fake portion of the internet, but at least some very real people who are making some demonic uh celebrations in the wake of this.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Kyle, thank you very much.
	Uh very, very insightful.
	Yeah, we'll do it again.
	All right, talk to you soon.
	Thanks, David.
	We're gonna carry on, people, and now I do not promise that I'm going to remain as um calm and dispassionate as before, just to highlight uh uh what we were talking about in terms of one of the conspiracy theories.
	Uh I'm gonna I'm gonna pull it up in a second.
	Let me go over to locals and see if I missed any questions that I was supposed to ask.
	Um Record as well, let me bring this up so that nobody thinks I'm making these up on my own.
	Record is says, uh, I still think it was government snipers that took crooks.
	Wound wasn't right, government snipers that took out crooks.
	That's that's the official that's the explanation now that it was a government sniper who took out crooks.
	Wasn't Tucker supposed to be releasing 9-11 videos today?
	All right, I'll I'll get into a few things.
	I have some other stuff lined up.
	I have some stuff that was lined up for yesterday that we're we'll get to eventually, but obviously later.
	Um I'm not I'm not highlighting this to mock this.
	Um I I know we know what Ian Carroll's uh agenda is, or at least we know what Ian Carroll's Ian Carroll, I've had him on the show, and this is where I understand people espousing conspiracy theories, because when horribly violent uh I'm not using the word tragedies,
	when horribly violent acts of violence, catastrophes occur, they're gonna get politicized, they're gonna get weaponized, they're gonna be the subject of misinformation and disinformation from Sandy Hook to 9-11 and everything in between.
	There have been a number of videos now circulating where Charlie Kirk was being critical of Israel.
	I'm not, I don't want to entertain these because it's it's it's not just speculative.
	It can never be proven nor disproven.
	And in fact, it can never be disproven because even if it turns out that this individual, the accused shooter, had what the CBC is referring to as political messaging on the casings.
	Then people are gonna say he was a patsy for Israel, whatever.
	Ian saying yesterday was a turning point for US Israel relations.
	Less than 24 hours after the internet already figured out less than 24 hours, and the internet already figured out what the most likely culprit was.
	He was their friend, he basically dedicated his life to them, and they murdered him in front of his family.
	Israel just shot themselves.
	It is it would be respectful to um keep those types of highly speculative and uh not disrespectful to it, the state of Israel, almost to the family to yourselves.
	At this point, with what is assume nothing is known.
	Okay, fine.
	You can you can entertain that theory.
	You can entertain that it was a trans activist.
	You can entertain the theory that it was a pro-Palestinian activist because a man who dedicates his life to supporting Israel will piss off it pissed off Ian Carroll not long ago, where he said you're supporting a country that that's committing genocide.
	It could have been a pro-choice activist.
	It could have been virtually anybody, right up to, you know, I don't uh uh uh a crazy stalker.
	Uh but that theory, it's it's not that I say it's not the time for uh entertaining certain unsubstantiated theories solely for the purposes of whatever, and maybe wait and posit them until further information comes in.
	But I want to show you this.
	Uh political messaging.
	Because I I I um couldn't couldn't believe this.
	These mother, I'm gonna swear, and I apologize.
	These motherfuckers at CBC News.
	Look, look at these motherfuckers.
	Some of Charlie Kirk's most controversial takes.
	So that that's what you do in the wake of an innocent man being brutally murdered.
	That that's what you do.
	A little a little victim blaming from these god forsaken state funded commie propagandist pigs.
	Some of Charlie, I don't, I don't care.
	I I wanted to see where they were talking about casing.
	There was an article where they were where I think the CBC referred to it as here we go.
	Let's see, political messaging on casings.
	I I no matter how much you hate the CBC, legacy media, you do not hate them enough.
	That that was oddly that was supposed to be the purpose of yesterday's show before this atrocious act of domestic terrorism occurred.
	CBC says FBI releases photo of person of interest in Charlie Kirk shooting death.
	High-powered rifle recovered by officials who say they also possess good video of suspect.
	Well, I think they've released that.
	The FBI posted a photo of the person of interest in the shooting death of Charlie Kirk, whom it is asking the public to verify.
	Police, I want to see how they find a way to besmirch, defame, or somehow blame Charlie Kirk for what happened yesterday.
	Police also said on Thursday they recover a weapon.
	They believe they have good video.
	A high-powered bolt action rifle was recovered in a wooded area.
	Okay.
	Bo Mason, Utah Department of Public Safety Commissioner said authorities are interested in pursuing a person who is captured on video.
	Mason said the person blended well in a college campus setting with respect to their age and appearance.
	Officials have chosen not to release the video yet.
	FBI director Cash Patel said wishing that they had a subject.
	Okay, shooter may have accessed roof.
	You don't say Kirk, a right wing activist and close ally of Donald Trump, who played an influential role in rallying young Republican voters was shot around 1220.
	Trump said on Thursday he would award Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the U.S. a day after calling him a quote, martyr for truth and freedom.
	Vice President J.D. Vance.
	Authorities believe authorities previously said Kirk was killed with a single shot from a rooftop on Wednesday.
	They believe the suspect then jumped the roof, fled to a nearby neighborhood.
	It is somewhat unusual, especially in an age of personal cell phones and abundant surveillance cameras for a suspect in a public shooting of a notable figure in the U.S. to remain a fugitive for several hours.
	The 31-year-old Kirk personified the pugnacious populist conservatism, conservatism that has taken over the Republican Party in the age of Trump.
	Kirk launched his organization turning point in 2012, targeting younger people and venturing onto liberal-leaning college campuses where many Republican Party activists were nervous to tread.
	Kirk identified as a Christian, conservative, and was unabashed supporter of expansive gun ownership rights.
	He often made statements that his critics said were racist, homophobic, and trans.
	So I can't find that article.
	Maybe I misheard if anybody has that in the chat.
	I wanted to talk about what Cenk Weger had to say.
	Before I do that, let me let me grab a couple of the oh crap.
	What did I just do?
	That's me.
	Sorry, I don't know if they're still gonna be there.
	Okay, they will.
	Thank you.
	King of Bill Tong says, We're doing I am Charlie Kirk shirts.
	I will donate all proceeds to whatever fund is set up for the family.
	We're keeping the cost low to distribute as wide as possible.
	Available at Bill Tongusa.com.
	Thank you, Bill Tom.
	Thank you, Anton.
	Ginger Ninja says, I have some disagreements with his ballistics breakdown.
	Some people may have better information than others, but in the end, it's speculative until it info comes out.
	Kyle has a little fudlore, though.
	I don't know what that means.
	John Adams, our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
	It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
	We're getting to the quote, wholly inadequate.
	Look at their response.
	We're looking at the response has been demonic.
	I I'm specifically excuse me.
	I'm specifically not amplifying any of those responses.
	Some of them are coming from legitimate people.
	Teachers, professors at Canadian universities.
	I'm not putting on blast.
	Um, I think you amplify and exaggerate, and not to say exaggerate.
	You You give amplification to that, and other people are going to do it regardless.
	You draw more attention to it, and um you almost uh give them free advertising.
	That, and I'm convinced a lot of it is pure engagement farming, pure rage farming from accounts which may or may not be real accounts or may or may not be foreign governments, uh entities that are strictly designed to stir shit.
	And so I you don't I don't want to dignify it with an amplification if it's real, and I don't certainly want to dignify it with an amplification if it's fake, because then you are literally doing their bidding for them.
	That being said, and I'm a proponent of free speech.
	Anybody celebrating this should publicly should be regarded as a domestic terrorist, period.
	Full stop.
	Now, that being said, we've had this debate on the channel or this discussion with Barnes during Sunday night.
	You know, saying you support verbally saying uh I support, I don't know, Hamas.
	Uh, you know, it it does that rise to the level of material support of a terrorist organization under the law.
	Arguable, I'm not sure.
	But they should be regarded as domestic terrorists, period.
	And and any professor coming out and saying being being uh executed in public is too good for these C U N Ts.
	She should lose her job, she should she should be publicly shamed in the community.
	Everybody should know that they are literally living next to a living, breathing demon.
	Cank Uyghur I say I'm an idiot.
	Sorry.
	Cenk Uyghur, on the other hand, had a different response.
	Uh I'm not sure.
	I'm gonna hit the wrong button again.
	Sorry, guys.
	Cenk Uyghur had a different response, and I'm not um convinced that uh it's I it's the it's sort of uh a right response, but I'm not sure that it's coming from a point of total self-reflection and introspection.
	How do I refresh so that I can play this?
	It's not working.
	Let me go back to the Viva Fry.
	Hold on, sorry guys.
	Let me let me that's not has nothing to do with my level of distraction.
	That's just not loading in incognito.
	Is my internet still working?
	The video does not seem to be playing anymore.
	Command francé, qu'est-ce qui se passe tabac?
	What's going on?
	Why why is it not playing?
	Is it no longer there?
	Look, Cenk Weager is thinking.
	See, that I don't like that spinning icon.
	It should at least catch up with its tail, like the other one.
	Well, this doesn't seem to be working.
	Dude, what's going on?
	Is it my internet?
	It might it might be my it's not my internet, because the internet's loading.
	Look, bottom line, I'll see if it comes up.
	Cenk Weager saying uh, you know, uh rightly um, this is not us on the left.
	Well, a unfortunately from a number of incidents, it is them on the left.
	It might just be so far left that they call it the right.
	Uh, it is.
	And he says at one point, we're all in danger now.
	Talking about himself.
	And I when I hear that, my my in my it won't play, guys.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just is it is it X or is it me?
	It might be okay.
	No, so my video's playing.
	Let me go down and see if I didn't hear.
	Yeah, so the guy might have taken down the video.
	Let me see if I can find it somewhere else.
	Cenk, how do you spell his last name?
	Uyghur.
	Okay, so it's definitely not playing on Clown World.
	Here we go.
	I got it on somebody else.
	Okay, maybe Clown World took it down.
	Let me play it, and I apologize for here.
	Utah Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah uh giving a speech there.
	I just found out he's passed away.
	I can't believe he's dead.
	He was shot in the neck.
	Some of you might have seen an elderly man being dragged away.
	Turns out it was not him.
	Authorities don't know who did it.
	Violence is not the answer.
	This is a horrific tragedy.
	And it we're all in danger now.
	This is a terrible, terrible thing to do.
	Violence is intellectual surrender.
	It's giving up and saying I'm a loser.
	I don't know how to win in a battle of ideas.
	I'm gonna resort to violence like an animal.
	It is the very last thing anyone who's progressive or on the left would ever do.
	We are for non-but the thing is this.
	Who the hell is he talking to?
	Quite literally, the progressive left of Blue Sky is rejoicing in the violence.
	It's it's the no true Scotsman.
	Oh, they're not, they're not truly the left.
	They literally left Twitter because it was too right wing.
	Unviolence.
	We are for peace.
	We are for uh our fellow human beings and humanity overall.
	No, but you're not, Cenk.
	They're not, Cenk.
	So I don't know who did this, but whoever they are, they're a monster, and they've done something terrible.
	That was not just a pundit, that was a human being.
	I'm so sorry to the Charlie Kirk family.
	My so now, as I understand it, they were friends, at least um.
	Uh they were on stage together, and I and Cnew Charlie.
	And if it can happen to Charlie, it can happen to Cenk.
	And that's where I think we're all in danger now.
	This it's it we're all in danger now.
	It wasn't a problem.
	The rhetoric, the decade of demonizing conservatives as being far-right extremists, transphobes, xenophobes, islamophobes, uh, bigots.
	It wasn't a problem, 10 years of that until people start, you know, killing people that Cchenk knows, then he realizes holy shit, we are all in danger.
	And all of a sudden, then you know, maybe they become uh sensitive to the danger.
	And the reality is, a, we're always all we're always all in danger from nobody's to the Charlie Kirks, from local politicians in Westphalia, Germany, to the Donald Trumps of the world.
	Whether you're Irina sitting alone on a on a subway or Joe Rogan.
	We're all always at risk.
	Life is finite.
	But nobody had a problem with a decade plus of the most dehumanizing rhetoric on earth.
	And it's only when it hits a little too close to home, a president, uh, you know, in Cenk's in defense of Cenk, I I couldn't find anything that he said that was wildly offensive after the failed assassination on Trump.
	But you call Trump an existential threat, a threat to democracy, like Cenk did for years.
	What the hell do you think is gonna happen?
	You call you call Trump an existential threat, a threat to democracy, a fascist.
	Well, what do you think people are gonna think of his number one biggest influential supporter, Charlie Kirk?
	Well, he's a facilitator of threats to democracy, he's a facilitator of fascism.
	I I forget who wrote it, and I feel bad uh citing their concept.
	It was an article that I read just earlier today.
	So, you know, when when words become violence, violence becomes justifiable to words.
	What did you think would happen, Cenk, after a decade of your words?
	You think you thought people just say, oh, he's just a threat to democracy.
	Well, Charlie Kirk is just the most prominent voice in supporting and getting elected, this threat to democracy, this existential threat, this threat to women's rights, this threat to uh transgender children.
	Well, what do you think they're gonna do, Cenk?
	Oh, you you didn't think that these these the people you were whipping up into a frenzied frothing at the mouth rage would act on it?
	Oh, you thought they would just take it out at the ballot box and and not with a bullet.
	And it's only when yeah, you we're all at risk, Cenk.
	Those people might look at you right now and say you're not extreme enough, Cenk.
	God forbid and sincere.
	The the funny thing is there was an article, this one I remember because I put it on somewhat of a mini blast before going live today by David Gilbert.
	where here let me let me bring this up From Wired, prominent far-right figures and elected officials have called for vengeance following the death of conservative Activist Charlie Kirk.
	I went to read the article.
	Is this the article here?
	Vengeance.
	They've called for vengeance.
	War is here.
	The far right response to Charlie Kirk shooting with calls for violence.
	Calls for violence by David Gilbert.
	And I put out to you.
	Hey Gilbert, I read your article with great interest.
	I didn't see any call to violence.
	I mean, they were citing some things that far right far right wing pundits were saying.
	Let me just go there.
	Look at this.
	Despite this, many far right influences of Republicans officially blamed the left.
	That's fine.
	In some extremist groups, members called for civil war and violent retribution.
	Civil war called for civil war and violent retribution.
	This is war.
	This is war.
	This is war, Alex Jones said.
	Sorry, that's not calling for civil war.
	That's observing that we might be in a state of war right now.
	That's not calling for retribution.
	That is merely observing that a good friend of Alex Jones, one of the most strongest vocal influential political allies of the Trump administration, who himself was the victim of political violence.
	Uh, just got murdered.
	And it might very well be war.
	I don't see a call for war or violent retribution in there, but maybe I don't speak English real good.
	For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murders and criminals.
	Okay, that's where I don't see vengeance.
	I don't see violence.
	This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we are seeing today.
	Still don't see one, Gilbert.
	Let's keep going.
	I'm going to be rebuilding the Oath Keepers, and we will be doing protection again, said Rhodes.
	If my security team had been at the event, if they had been up there at a high point looking for potential threats, they would have saved Charlie Kirk from being shot.
	I still don't see any violence.
	Rhodes then called on Trump to do what's right, what's necessary, and invoke the insurrection act in the wake of the truth.
	Still don't see any violence or retribution.
	You should declare the left in this country is in an obvious open rebellion against the law of the states.
	They're committing insurrection, they're aiding and abetting an invasion, and they're blocking the execution.
	Still don't see it.
	Maybe I missed it.
	Let's keep going.
	Ed Martin, the U.S. Parton attorney, wrote on X, for it is written, Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord, citing the Bible.
	I don't actually know what the context of that verse of the Bible is.
	Now, because he used the word vengeance out of the Bible, if that's the best you got for calling for retribution and vengeance, I dare say, I wonder if he read the context or that particular passage and what it possibly means, because I don't know what it means.
	Then he gets to Elon Musk.
	The left is a party of murder.
	He then quoted a post blaming the left-wing mainstream media as well as figures like Gavin Newsom for radicalizing people.
	Still don't see it.
	Exactly, says Musk.
	Katie Miller, who worked closely with Doge.
	Wrote on X that liberals, that even liberals condemning the violence had blood on their hands.
	Still not seeing any vengeance, calls for violence.
	You could be next influencer and unofficial Trump advisor Laura Lumposo and X. The left, that's not a call for violence.
	That is a mere observation, David Gilbert.
	So the bottom line.
	This is like uh they they fear retribution after latest terrorist attack.
	They just murdered they, and I think all signs point to someone who is ideologically not aligned with Charlie Kirk, who is a Christian man conservative on the right.
	So take your guesses as to who that's gonna be.
	They just murdered him.
	And now they're saying they're to blame in the wake of, oh, they might overreact after after one of their most prominent spokespeople just got murdered.
	So David Gilbert, I'll repeat the question publicly.
	Where the hell was there a call for violence?
	Where the hell was there a call for retribution?
	I think I put it up here somewhere.
	Excuse me, David.
	I read your article, War is here.
	The right response to Charlie Kirk shooting with calls for violence.
	My emphasis.
	I read it thoroughly and could not find one example in your article where anyone called for violence.
	This is the worst of what I found in the what I found in the article.
	Do you lie or do you just not understand English?
	Let me um I forget what else I wanted to do.
	It had to do with the article.
	I'm sorry.
	What was I thinking about?
	Okay, so we got the FBI.
	Oh, that they would that they wouldn't, they wouldn't uh have a moment of vocal prayer in Congress, a Democrat.
	It doesn't matter.
	Yeah, I think I think I think we we covered it.
	We covered the the the latest of what's going on.
	I don't know if there's been any breaking news since we've been live.
	Um like um Kyle said, you know, it's it's that door has been kicked open.
	I I had never felt the seething rage that I felt on July 13.
	And the impending could catastrophic doom until I knew that Trump was uh alive.
	And even then, even after they whisked him off, and I said he could have sustained something of a of a head injury and you know, not even know it.
	And it was by the grace of God that we survived that the world, and now this is um this is uh uh a sense of catastrophe that is impossible to explain.
	People are gonna eulogize Charlie as he rightly deserves, uh and he will become something of a modern political martyr.
	I I he would have rather been alive and continuing to do what he was doing than been murdered for his words, and I guess to some extent, nobody becomes a martyr voluntarily.
	But you know, every there's gonna be mourning, there's gonna be uh everybody's going to have their nice things to say about Charlie as they should, and he's going to be dead for an eternity now.
	Because some jackass loan or among a group of other jackasses was sufficiently indoctrinated by a decade of demonizing vilification and dehumanization that they thought they would not only be doing the right thing, but that they would be praised by their brethren.
	And you go to their silos on the internet, they are being praised by their brethren.
	The one other thing that I haven't been doing is sharing any information that's questionable.
	Um, or potentially you know, the yesterday I when we saw the old man getting arrested, and I said, This is weird.
	Why wouldn't they have found the gun on the man as they were arresting him?
	Turns out that old man was not the shooter.
	There's another video that's going very viral of a man who seemingly is celebrating.
	When everyone is ducked because they know that a shot has been fired, this guy seemingly knows that he's not at risk, seemingly celebrating.
	I have no idea what's going on with that.
	I have no idea if the Twitter account that purports to be that guy's Twitter account is legit.
	And the ex I have no idea if it was um you have it's it's an amazing thing.
	You you could not even tell necessarily by the avatar.
	It could be some troll who created an account earlier, then changes the avatar and then turns it into a troll account to take credit for this guy.
	So you have no idea what's going on.
	I'm not gonna be in the industry of putting people who might turn out to be totally unrelated on blast where this guy I have no doubt he's receiving threats and and uh harassment, and whether or not anyone thinks he deserves that and more, I won't have a part in that.
	Other people saying stupid things at vigil, vigils.
	They they know what they're doing, and they know what demons they're summoning.
	Uh, but I I will not amplify that.
	So the the the video of the guy seemingly celebrating, he apparently took to Twitter and said, This disinformation is causing a mob to come after me.
	Uh, the truth will be known or whatever, and whatever.
	If it turns out you know, it for the information that was allegedly online in terms of something big is about to come, and the whether or not it's a half dozen three people, activists who just want to ruin beautiful things.
	So it's that line from Fight Club when uh Ed Norton, you know, beats that guy.
	I think it was uh the guy from was it 30 seconds to Mars?
	It might not have been him, but when he beats the guy into a bloody pulp and he says, I wanted to just what happened to you, I wanted to destroy something beautiful.
	There's there's people out there who thrive on the energy of destroying something beautiful.
	And you amplify that and you even you you you energize them even more.
	Okay, so I'm sorry if I'm down.
	Okay.
	Mojack, children murder at mass.
	A 23-year-old white refugee girl is murdered on and a chart on a train and Charlie Kirk is assassinated.
	Vengeance is long overdue, the left is violent.
	You will not crush them with that uh that you will not crush them with the response that they want.
	That's not to say don't defend yourself, and that's not to say don't put yourself out there and in positions that are unnecessarily uh unnecessary exposure.
	But you know that guy, that guy in Canada, um, Daniel Sinekal, the man who's accused of of raping a toddler nearly to death.
	And people are like, yeah, send send him to jail and rape him on the daily.
	That's what he deserves.
	I was like, that man thrives off the evil that he brought into this world.
	He would thrive off of that evil being that's the he'll he'll suffer whatever fate he's gonna suffer wherever he goes.
	But this is a man who a who that type of pain and suffering would would be a distraction and maybe even a pleasant one for him from whatever pain and suffering he's going through, you know, unhinged evil that he wants to bring into the world now.
	Um so you know, you you you can you can become the monster you're battling.
	It'll only feed that monster.
	The question is, how do you defeat it?
	Charlie was trying to defeat it with words and and and and knowledge and insight and and communication.
	And Rodio do Rodeo do, let me see if that's road yodo is how I'm gonna pronounce it.
	Viva, he is not dead forever, he's an actual martyr, and he's with Jesus now.
	He will have great rewards after the resurrection.
	My heart bleeds for his family, but Charlie is in good dads now.
	I mean, that's look at I I um say I so someone said the fur, I don't know who it says.
	It might have been uh not Kierkegaard, but um sorin.
	Oh, and that might have sorry in Kierkegaard.
	It said that you know, the the belief in prayer doesn't it changes within and doesn't change the world, but it changes the world by changing within.
	I I would love to believe.
	Charlie Kirk has become this generation's MLK, his assassination has changed the nation.
	He won't be forgotten, he won't be forgotten.
	But he's not alive.
	Mojack, chill.
	I sorry, I got that before.
	I'm not your buddy guy, say uh writes this.
	I will say this.
	If someone as milk toast is Charlie Kirk as a target, then it doesn't look good for the rest of us, which again I ask, can we coexist?
	King of Bill Tong says, We have been contacted by the sheriff, the county septic inspector, and the TCEC for complaints by some crassy leftists because of the new property and store.
	The leftists are out of control.
	King of Biltong just moved his facility from Roanoke, Texas, to another better area, apparently, in leftists, activists, just evil destroys everything it touches.
	The phrase vengeance is mine, often extended to vengeance is mine, I will repay, originates from Deuteronomy 3235 in the old testament, part of Moses' song where God declares.
	Oh, we got the we didn't get the rest of that.
	The true peaceful response is for Trump to end affirmative care and to give two billion federal grant to Kirk's organization to help conservative speakers on campus.
	That would certainly be a counterproductive.
	Let's just see who the who the accused is, whether or not it was organized with a handful of people, foreign elements, who knows.
	People who believe that words are the same as punches, should have both thrown at them until they learn the difference, says the engaged view.
	Ginger ninja says, Cank, chank says, How can I make myself the victim?
	William Crane.
	I'm not sure that I'm going to read that.
	Okay, and uh that's that's that okay.
	Sorry, I'm just I'm not I don't want to read that.
	So what we're gonna do, I'm gonna go raid, we're gonna go raid redacted.
	Are they live?
	Sorry, let me see if redacted is live.
	Okay, redacted is live.
	So you can go see um what they're doing over there.
	Actually, before we do that, I'm gonna I'll give everybody the link.
	Uh yeah, there's no there's no paywall today uh at um viva barneslaw.locals.com because I'm using stream yard today.
	Come over to locals if you want.
	Uh we'll have we'll continue the discussion on the after party.
	And um, otherwise we're gonna go raid.
	God bless the Kirks, as indeed from uh Mick Wayne.
	Okay, so we're gonna go raid, confirm raid, and um we'll take this discussion on over to viva barneslaw.locals.com.
	Let me just bring it up there and see what's going on in the chat over there.
	Share screen.
	And then uh see what I do this afternoon.
	What would RB Ham says what we should really be aware of is the danger that the powers that ought not be will use events like the Charlie Kirk shooting and the Charlotte stabbing to further the surveillance state and a further crackdown on civil liberties.
	I would be less than less concerned with that and more concerned with we'll talk about it over on locals.
	The tree of liberty must be refreshed.
	This is an expression that's not mine.
	I will also...
	Uh exercise discretion and not read that, but we're gonna go take this um discussion over to viva barnslaw.locals.com.
	Everybody, thank you for being here.
	Say tomorrow will not be a better day.
	Uh time heals all, and this too shall pass, only in the sense that at some point the the universe as we know it will cease to exist.
	So I guess there's that.
	So we're gonna go over to locals.
	I'm gonna end it on Rumble.
	Let me end it on Twitter first.
	Thank you for being here.
	And um, no, I don't want to start it there.
	I want to end it.
	End and remove local uh Twitter, we're going to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	And I'll end on Rumble as well.

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