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July 18, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

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Live with Vince Coglianese! Not Just the Epstein Stuff... Let's Talk About Some Trump Wins!

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	It was at this moment that they realized the infamy in which this image will live forever.
	It is virtually impossible to look at this image and not immediately say to yourself in a deep British voice, You've never been?
	You've never been.
	Have you been to the crossing points?
	No.
	When were you last there at all?
	Never been.
	Never been.
	Well, am I not allowed to talk about it now?
	I've never been to have you ever been to Nazi Germany?
	Are you allowed to have feelings about them?
	You can't time travel, but you can travel.
	Okay, but so what?
	So what's the point?
	No, I can't say that I find that.
	Lots of people have been there and agree with me, and lots of people have been there and agree with you.
	But if you want to spend a year and a half talking about a place, you should at least do the courtesy of visiting it.
	Do the courtesy of at least if you're going to talk about something, at least do the courtesy of visiting it.
	I'm being very mean to Douglas Murray, but it is well-deserved in minor jest.
	What is Douglas Murray talking about these days?
	Well, he's talking about Epstein.
	Has he ever been to the island?
	Has he ever been to the island?
	All right.
	Jokes aside, we're going to talk about this a bit today, but I do want to highlight the absurdity of people trying to shape a narrative instead of trying to reflect a sentiment.
	I say this in full awareness of fact that people are going to say, Viva, people really aren't interested in the Epstein thing.
	It's only online.
	It's only in your silo.
	And you're the one who's trying to shape narrative as opposed to reflect what people are actually interested in.
	And I'll say, I appreciate that argument.
	And I think you're wrong.
	Douglas Murray put out an article today that reads, how many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein?
	And from the article, it says, some MAGA influencers have decided that the release or otherwise, that the release or otherwise all of, am I able to read?
	Some MAGA influencers have decided that the release or otherwise of all known information, there is a type on there, I think, about Epstein is a, quote, make or break, end quote, issue between them and the president.
	The president has expressed understandable frustration that he should be distracted from matters like, say, the economy and keep getting asked about Epstein.
	Douglas Murray says, nobody's interested.
	And I ask him in response to the joke, if he hasn't been to the island, he has no business speaking of the island.
	Jokes aside, people, I'm sure Douglas Murray is a nice person and I'm sure he's actually very smart.
	He's had some good insights.
	I watched him on Gad Sad, but he walked himself right into that joke.
	People care.
	It's a big deal.
	It's a big issue.
	And I was talking about it with Mike Benz yesterday.
	And if you didn't see that interview, go watch it.
	It's not going to go away for good and for bad, because the problem is for bad, it's not going to go away.
	And it's distracting from some of the bona fide successes of Trump's presidency, which has been fantastic.
	But you don't get to say, look at my successes and then don't criticize where I need improvement.
	In fact, quite the opposite.
	You mandated this president to reform America and he's doing it.
	That doesn't mean you lay off on the issues where there's improvement or need for improvement.
	That means good.
	Take the W's where they come.
	We're going to talk about them today, but also appreciate this is a big issue.
	And I said it in a tweet a while back.
	It's a litmus test issue, despite what people think, because it's not just about the sordid affairs of one disgusting pedo pervert.
	It's about the system.
	And when I talked about it with Mike Benz yesterday, that system goes deep.
	And forgive, forget, or don't forgive, but forget is not going to fly this time.
	We're going to get into that in a second.
	And I also want to get into a little bit of tipping my own hat, if I may.
	I made it into the New York Times.
	We'll get there in a second.
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	If I may tip my own hat before we get into today's show, the Epstein situation has taken up a lot of time on the airwaves.
	I mean, people say it's not a big deal.
	It's only in the internet silo.
	It's only on Twitter.
	Well, when it's making its way into the New York Times, it's not something you can write off and ignore.
	And I appreciate how frustrating it is that in the face of all of the successes of this administration, you have this one nagging thorn in your side.
	Take the thorn out.
	You're not going to tell anybody the thorn doesn't exist.
	And you're not going to do your body any good by pretending the thorn doesn't exist.
	It's going to turn into a welt.
	It's going to turn into infection when all you have to do, get a little disinfectant and just make the yank and pull it out.
	The New York Times today was reporting on, they call it MAGA crowd.
	So I guess I should be flattered in that I'm referred to as MAGA.
	I do consider myself to be one of the most faithful and honest Trump supporters because, first of all, He is a man that was chosen for the moment.
	And that doesn't mean that everything gets a pass, especially the big issues.
	It doesn't mean you treat allies like foes, and it doesn't mean you treat foes like allies.
	And it's not because Gavin Newsom is out now taking cheap shots at Trump that Gavin Newsom somehow becomes, oh, well, you're criticizing Trump like Gavin is.
	So you guys all say, no, there's a difference between someone being wrong on an issue and someone being wrong as a person.
	And people don't seem to understand this.
	When you criticize someone, you are not tearing that person down as a human, not necessarily doing it.
	And that is certainly not what I'm doing with Trump, trying to constructive criticism to build him up as a president and not have unforced errors and gas that mire down the presidency and all of the successes in what could have been avoided from day one.
	New York Times reports, Trump insists the Epstein case is a hoax.
	Here's what his supporters say.
	Look at this, by the way.
	Does everybody see anything in there?
	I see an ugly little mug right about there.
	Oh gosh, it looks like a wet dog.
	That's me.
	I'm out in a blue circle that says called out Trump specifically.
	In that circle, who is this on the left?
	That's Elon Musk.
	I'm right next to Elon Musk.
	We got Michael Flynn.
	I think that's Glenn Beck.
	That's Cernovich.
	That's Tucker.
	That's Alex Jones.
	Can't see who that is.
	Oh, that's Roseanne Barr.
	I made it into the New York Times people for, I guess, good reasons.
	Back down in the article, it says, others were less measured.
	Michael Flynn, respectfully saying to Donald Trump, this is why I said the Epstein affair is not going away anytime soon.
	Get ahead of this now.
	We want to support every bit of your fight to save America.
	None more than me.
	Children will not be abused by anyone.
	No category nor any class of people should ever get away with abusing children.
	Enough is enough.
	Accountability is coming either here on earth or at the gates of hell.
	It might be coming in both, but at the very least, if you believe in a faith, you'll believe it's coming after this earth, which is where I will be waiting for those who abuse a child.
	And then he tagges this from the article.
	Others were less measured.
	Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist and radio host, asked OnX, why is 47 making the worst moves of his tenure in the last nine years?
	Mr. Jones has also questioned the administration's actions and blamed outside forces.
	The actress Roseanne Barr, one of Trump's most loyal supporters, told the president to, quote, read the damn room.
	Those who have called out Mr. Trump personally also included Elon Musk and David Freiheit, an influencer who goes by the handle Viva Fry, as well as Glenn Beck, the right-wing commentators Mike Cernovich, Trad Prather, who also called for greater transparency.
	How the hell did Elon Musk, what did he have to do to be mentioned in the same breath as David Freiheit?
	So yeah, I put out a lot of constructive criticism, and it seems that the administration is hearing it.
	Maybe, maybe not.
	Maybe, you know, they're just throwing a little red meat.
	Maybe it's a little more deception.
	Some people think it's deception.
	I think it's a good start.
	But they made an announcement that they were going to start releasing some information or at least make the request to unseal the grand jury hearing charges, whatever, the grand jury file as relates to Epsom.
	Where is it?
	I had it on the backdrop somehow.
	Oh, here we go.
	Sorry.
	This is it.
	The news of the day was Attorney General Pam Bondi talking to Trump on Twitter.
	I love it.
	This is always as awkward as when someone's wishing their wife a happy birthday on Twitter or like, you know, their mother, their wife a happy Mother's Day.
	President Trump, we are ready to move the court tomorrow.
	This was yesterday, to unseal the grand jury transcripts.
	And then Donald Trump, that's in response to a truth post from him.
	Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pamboni to produce any and all pertinent grand jury testimony subject to court approval.
	There's two big caveats in there.
	Pertinent, there's a discretionary element.
	And subject to court approval means, well, we made the request and the court said no.
	I think, I think I'm not necessarily certain about this.
	We'll see that A.G. Pamboni might have some sort of overarching power to release, declassify.
	I'm not sure.
	This scam perpetuated by the Democrats should end right now.
	To which I said, good start, pertinent, a little concerning.
	It should be all grand jury testimony to the extent allowable under law.
	And for anyone who's out there been complaining about our complaining, for everyone who's been suggesting that those of us who could not just let this story go were the ones, quote, protecting PETOS.
	People actually went with that angle.
	I won't name you.
	I won't shame you, but clearly you were wrong.
	And clearly, to its credit, this administration listens to its supporters when they have legitimate criticism.
	No apologies.
	Glad our voices are being heard.
	On with the release of at least some of the information.
	Now, people out there are suggesting this is, what do we want to say, red herring, throwing a little meat.
	It's going to be limited hangout, limited exposure, limited disclosure.
	We'll see when we get there.
	Maybe this leads somewhere and that somewhere leads somewhere else.
	We'll see.
	For the time being, it's a good start.
	Keep the pressure on.
	Watch my interview with Mike Benz yesterday.
	Snip and clip the portions where Mike offers the specific recommendations to this administration.
	The Jim, not Jim Acosta, the Alex Acosta transcript, people.
	Alex Acosta transcript, which might itself be not a Pandora's box, but a door to another room with even more doors in it.
	All right.
	If you guys don't know who Vince Koglionese is, I think I'm, it's Koglionese.
	If you don't know who he is, you're going to know in a few seconds.
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	Vince, you're in the house, sir.
	Sorry, I'm such an idiot.
	I had the back screen off.
	Sir, how goes the battle?
	It's going so good.
	How are you doing?
	Thank you for letting me join you today.
	My pleasure.
	Thank you for coming.
	I was very surprised when I reached out and you actually reached back via the interwebs.
	Vince, I didn't want to do a bad job saying who you are.
	Give the 30,000-foot overview for anybody who might not know who you are.
	Well, I'm a military brat.
	I was raised in a Marine Corps family.
	That means we're all over the country.
	And I finally ended up after many years in Washington, D.C. And I started really quick.
	I was interning at the Heritage Foundation for a couple of months, trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life.
	And I found a job at the Daily Caller, became an editor there.
	I was the overnight editor, started there, worked my way up the editorial ranks at the Daily Caller.
	In fact, I've been with that news website for the last 15 years now.
	And then a couple of years ago, I was able to get back into something I had played around with earlier in my career, which was radio.
	About eight, I want to say eight years ago now.
	I jumped on to the morning show in Washington, D.C. on the biggest conservative station in the area.
	It's called WMAL, Rush Limbaugh's home in D.C. And I got it, got the blessing, the great fortune, the privilege to do the morning show there.
	And just kept working my way through radio ever since.
	So I've kind of, I've been doing that.
	I've been doing radio broadcasting for a while now and working at the Daily Caller with a great team of journalists for the last 15 years.
	And I couldn't feel more blessed.
	I'm glad to be able to do it.
	Now I've got, now I guess the big thing that everyone's aware of is that when Dan Bongino decided he wanted to become the deputy director of the FBI, I was like, what are you doing, man?
	Who wants to do that job?
	Dan decided I'll do that.
	And he gave me a call and said, hey, Vince, would you be willing to host a show for my audience while I'm gone?
	And I said, of course, man, I'd love to do that.
	So each day at 10 a.m.
	Eastern, I get to do Vince on Rumble.
	And then I host a national radio show from 12 to 3 Eastern time all across the country, about 250 stations that we talk to every single day in the time slot that I grew up listening to when Rush Limbaugh was on that time slot.
	And now I get to do it across the country.
	So I'm totally blessed.
	I love doing it.
	Amazing.
	Vince, if you could, is your, can you turn your game down a notch?
	Yeah.
	Just a notch.
	Totally.
	Now, you're not getting out of childhood that quickly by the roaming army, Brad.
	I've always found that existence fascinating because, I mean, you go from city to city.
	But first questions first, how many siblings and what did your parents do in the military?
	My father is a now retired United States Marine Corps general.
	He made it to the tippy top.
	When he got out, he did 36 years.
	He was a major general when he retired.
	He did it all.
	He went to the first Gulf War and then he went for, I want to say like five deployments between Afghanistan and Iraq over and over and over again.
	So he definitely got to see it all.
	He was the first deputy commander of what we call Marine Corps Special Operations Command, Marsak, when they created that.
	That's the special operations side of the Marine Corps, which is cool.
	And then when he finished his career, he finished it by, he was the commanding general of all of the Marine bases in the country.
	It was Marine Corps Installations Command.
	So his job was to kind of oversee the way the bases ran in the United States of America.
	So it took us a bunch of cool places.
	I had two brothers.
	I do have two brothers, both younger.
	One of them did become a Marine himself.
	Fred joined the Marine Corps.
	He went overseas to Afghanistan.
	He was injured in Helman Province, Afghanistan, when he was there.
	He was driving a route clearance vehicle, which was part of route clearance as a unit.
	He was driving the Husky, which is the vehicle, which is the very front of these big convoys.
	And its job is to detect IEDs, to look for them and to interrogate the ground and use ground-penetrating radars and all sorts of technology I don't understand to find them.
	He would drive very slowly every day over familiar terrain to look for little differences, see what he could find.
	And at one point, he just he found him.
	They found him and they ran over a couple of IEDs.
	The thing blew up.
	He got some traumatic brain injury from it and knocked unconscious.
	He's doing well these days.
	He's got a great flourishing family.
	He's in HVAC working outside the Philadelphia area.
	But I'm real proud of him.
	And we just, I've got two great younger brothers.
	And that's just, that's the world we grew up in, you know, the United States Marine Corps on these bases.
	One's going to be a follow-up on your brother, but starting with your dad, you know, most people think military dads are going to be super strict, especially those who serve.
	Flip side, some will think they come back with sort of like a super sensitivity.
	What was your dad like as a dad?
	Was he strict?
	Was it a military, what we think stereotypically of a military family?
	He's got a strict mode and you don't want to elicit it.
	That's the trick.
	Avoid the strict mode, you know, and especially that means listening to your mother.
	And if, and if you don't, you don't want you want dad to rain holy hell down upon you.
	That's a bad, that's bad news.
	My dad is hilarious.
	He's mostly locked into his fun mode.
	He's a very fun, funny guy and just great to be around.
	He's always had such a big personality.
	Everybody really likes him, but he's a tough leader.
	He's a very tough leader.
	And he brought up a lot of young leaders, taught them how to be leaders themselves.
	And to this very day, many of those people get in touch with me with a lot of gratitude for the experience they got working under my dad.
	So yeah, he's a great American.
	And we were all very privileged to have him be the head of our household.
	Parents are still married?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They're married.
	They've been married a long time now.
	Let me put me on the spot.
	Let me do the math here.
	40 years now.
	Okay, hold on.
	That means you are a little bit younger.
	I'm 39.
	So I'm a baby.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to stay locked in at 39 for the rest of my life, though.
	I have no interest in crossing over from 40.
	That's ridiculous.
	I don't want to put my sister on the spot.
	She just turned 50.
	My other brother turned 53.
	My other brother's 54 and a half now.
	My siblings are on the other end of the 50, which is that's the big one.
	But you said you've been in this, doing this for 15 years now.
	15 years with the Daily Caller.
	And prior to that, I'd been working in radio in North Carolina.
	I worked at a small, wonderful radio station where I kind of got my feet wet for the first time in radio.
	And that was, those were, that was kind of, I want to say about 17 years ago.
	I mean, all in, if you include all this time, I worked in radio.
	I did a lot of radio stuff in high school and stuff too.
	I've been doing this now for about a quarter of a century.
	I mean, we've, I've been kind of plugging away in the media.
	That's amazing.
	And so you get the Vince show.
	I mean, you have the chops before you pick up where Bongino left off.
	And so everybody, I'm sure everybody watches this because I'm sure they were watching you before they were watching me and listening to.
	I'm going to ask you the total question right up front.
	You have a good voice.
	And I'm always wondering if this is trained, if it's acquired over the years, or if you're just born with it.
	I don't think so.
	I think one thing I know for a fact is I always loved talk radio.
	The other piece of this is my mother.
	My mother's legally blind and her vision has deteriorated very rapidly over the course of her life.
	So for much of it, her medium of choice has been radio.
	So I was a happy listener of radio because I was just picking it up in an ambient way.
	My mother was listening to it all the time and I was listening along.
	And when I heard it, I just started to really enjoy the medium and the format.
	I don't know that I was born in any particular way with a voice for this.
	In fact, I like probably a lot of people.
	I'm like one of those guys that you hear your own voice.
	You're like, oh, that's what it sounds like.
	You remember back when people had answering machines and then you'd hear your own voice on the answering machine and you're like, what the hell?
	That's what I sound like.
	This is awful.
	That's how I feel to this day.
	I'm just, I guess I'm much more used to it because we have so many audio products that we do and like advertisements and everything else.
	But no, no, no, I wasn't trained into it.
	I just, I just loved it as a medium and I try and do it the best I can.
	Now, I'm going to ask you a question if it's private and you don't want to disclose.
	You mentioned it.
	Bongino comes to you and says, they've tapped me for deputy director of the FBI.
	And, you know, I think back to when Howard Stern used to be remotely funny, when Trump was, was it, I think it was when Trump was, I forgot, I'm getting going crazy, but I think it was Howard Stern and Trump saying, you don't want to run for president.
	You're going to ruin your wonderful life in service of country.
	And Trump did it.
	And I imagine, I've not imagined, I know Bongino must have had the same reflex.
	What was your reaction when Bongino says, yeah, you know, I've built this up over years now.
	In as much as, you know, part of an amazing company, Rumble got my show.
	I'm going to go be deputy director of the FBI.
	What was your reaction?
	Well, I'll tell you, when he called me, he didn't disclose the specific job.
	He kept that to himself.
	He just said he was going into the government.
	I think at the time, I probably assumed it was Secret Service Director or something.
	To me, that made the most sense that obviously he was a Secret Service guy, that he'd probably be offering that kind of guidance to the president.
	To be honest, I thought that there was no scenario in which he was going to do this before that call.
	My assumption was merely that the president was going to ask him to join some sort of advisory board to talk about making the Secret Service better in light of the assassination attempts last year.
	And that made the most sense to me because then that would allow Dan to do it all, right?
	He would be able to contribute a little bit to the president.
	He obviously wants to help the president out, but also to keep doing what he's doing, which is this very successful media enterprise, continue hosting this great podcast, continue speaking to that massive audience.
	But he made what I've said many times now to be a decision that only has one advantage, which is it helps your country.
	That's it.
	There's nothing else.
	There's no other reason to do this job.
	There's no reason to waste away at it.
	There's no reason for him to go in just because you get compromised by the deep state and overtaken.
	It's all ridiculous.
	Like the point of doing that job is to help your country.
	So when he called me and told me, this is what I'm doing.
	And would you step in for the podcast?
	I was staggered by it.
	I talked to my wife that night.
	I'm like, you're not going to believe the phone call I just had.
	This is unreal.
	And we sorted it out.
	And now he's doing this gig.
	And again, I just want to emphasize, this is not a financial deal for him.
	This doesn't make his personal life in any way more comfortable.
	This is not a situation where his resume is enhanced by it.
	He doesn't need it.
	This is not some sort of upward trajectory for him in terms of what he needs for the rest of his life.
	This is principally in order to achieve something.
	So all that drama we saw about a week or so ago, where it was like, oh, is Dan going to leave?
	And the ultimatum and it's Pam Bondi or me and what's going to happen?
	He's in Florida.
	Where is he?
	Is he going to show up for work?
	When I saw that he showed up to work, when I saw that he's still plugging away at this, that story, and this is not a story that is behind the scenes.
	This is just me deriving this from what I'm seeing.
	The story that that tells me is he's not done yet, that there is something very meaningful and achievable to be done still.
	And so I'm grateful he's there.
	He's a man as far as man, as far as I'm concerned, I've known him for a while now.
	He's a man of principle, and I'm glad he's in the role.
	It has got to be particularly frustrating.
	I mean, you know him exponentially better than I do.
	And when you see people floating ideas like compromise in a way that, you know, I don't know how people mean it.
	Cash Patel is dating a girl, a Jewish girl who's, you know, knows Marissa Streit from Prague or U, and they've all been taken over now.
	Knowing someone personally and seeing people say these things publicly, I don't know if you laugh it off or you find it frustrating.
	I mean, what is your response to people floating the most?
	I say some are plausible, you know, like there's pressure coming from top down that they don't look comfortable in what they're saying and doing necessarily.
	Others that they've been snatched up by the ideological body snatchers.
	What's your reaction to that?
	Well, I can get, well, we can get into like kind of the bigger Epstein stuff in a second because I know you want to talk about it a little bit.
	But one piece of that is I did kind of think as we were seeing some of this transpire that this was the way the messaging coming out of the Trump administration did feel in a way like a clumsy attempt to keep an intel operation from being completely spoiled.
	That's how I felt about it at first.
	My instinct was there's there's something that sort of neatly explains all of this, and I'm not quite there yet.
	It did kind of feel like maybe this is like a CIA thing.
	They've got a bunch of blackmail on people.
	They're able to squeeze them for all sorts of American intentions.
	And maybe that explains what we're hearing.
	But I will say, just backing up to the bigger point, which is like people are like, oh, Dan is overtaken by the deep state.
	Now he's like a stooge for them.
	Or if it's the same thing for Cash, who I don't know quite as well, but I've definitely talked to a bunch of times over the years.
	When I hear that, let me just ask you a different question, which is like, okay, who would you pick for that job who you would believe?
	Who are the alternatives that you would tap to drop into those roles, FBI director and deputy director of the FBI, who you would believe if they gave you the same answers?
	If they walked up to you, there's got to be people in each of our lives who, if they walked up to you, like, hey, man, I looked into it and like, he didn't kill himself.
	I don't know what else to say.
	I don't know what else to say.
	Who else would you believe to give you that answer?
	And I'm not sure who that person could be.
	That is, well, and by the way, you meant to say he did kill himself and not so that anyone takes that out of context, but oh, I see what you're saying.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But no, like, you know, I had that thought as well.
	And I could genuinely see this is where people get blackpilled and despaired, where they say, there was nobody more than Bongino I trusted.
	And I simply don't believe the explanations being given by the administration.
	And then the only question is why?
	And then people could say, like, if Bongino, the only person I've ever had faith in, or at least had the most faith in, comes out and leaves me feeling that something is not, something's amiss.
	Well, then people just get blackpilled into despair and saying, no, nobody can do it then.
	So the other thing is like, I don't get this whole thing where like everything needs to be a complete binary.
	Like it's one way or the other.
	So here's, let me just assess some basic things.
	What information do Cash and Dan have access to?
	It's the information that's presently at the FBI.
	Correct.
	What information may have been deleted or that they don't see?
	Now, we have no idea.
	That's just kind of a, that's in many regards, maybe it's knowable.
	But as far as I can tell, that's kind of an unknowable question, right?
	They can't really get to the bottom of that.
	So dealing, in fact, if you listen to the interviews that Dan did, I think he did some stuff on Fox.
	When he talked about it, he goes, based on the stuff I have seen, this is what I think happened.
	Okay.
	Well, that does, of course, leave the things you haven't seen, the things that are outside of your purview.
	You can only deal with what you're looking at, which makes a lot of sense.
	We know for a fact that the people who have governed our country and used the weapons that are at their disposal have used them against the American people on a routine basis, have clearly meddled with intelligence to achieve all sorts of nefarious purposes, have clearly cooked the books to suggest things like Trump was colluding with the Russians.
	Like it's like, how many more?
	Dan and Cash are two of the best students of that particular thing.
	So I do think it's worth remembering that.
	And the other piece is like, okay, I'm friends with Dan.
	I like Dan.
	I think he's a man of principle.
	It doesn't disallow me from saying, I hate everything about the Epstein death.
	It doesn't make sense to me.
	The cameras were all out in the very places you needed them to be on.
	The guards didn't do their rounds that very night.
	They falsified the records of the rounds they were supposed to take.
	The guy who was on suicide watch was left alone.
	And then the medical examination of the guy resulted in finding that three of his bones were broken in the hyoid bone in his neck, which never happens according to these medical examiners in suicidal hangings.
	It only happens in homicidal cases.
	All right.
	Well, all of that evidence to me suggests I'm going to need a lot more receipts before I arrive at the conclusion that this dude killed himself.
	The reality of what you say is sort of what I had been saying from the beginning in that, yeah, people are saying, well, you know, they're saying based on what the file that we have.
	And then one of my follow-up questions from the very beginning, which nobody at Fox asked is, all right, but what is the file that you have?
	And then, you know, as the things played out, it sort of makes more sense, you know, moving it backwards, like, all right, based on the file, you know, Epstein killed himself.
	Sure.
	The file says, okay.
	Now you've got Trump coming out and saying you can't, you basically can't trust anything in that file, which is what some of us were screaming from the beginning, but that only comes after saying, we're going to release the file, then don't.
	And then you say, well, there's nothing there to see, but what's there to see has been.
	So I guess on the one hand, you know, if this is the way it's going to play out, I think, you know, more categoric or at least less, not wishy-washy, but just more categoric statements from the beginning based on the file that we have.
	And you can come to your own conclusions, which maybe might have been what they said in parentheses.
	But I don't think, do you, we all, even the most fervent supporters, can concede that the layout, the rollout of this information has been an abject disaster?
	Oh, totally.
	And Pam Bondi should thank her lucky stars that she has a job right now.
	It's too much.
	It's like the craziest thing ever that she spent all of this time on the hype train.
	Here it comes.
	The biggest, oh my gosh, it's so horrible.
	We've got the flight logs.
	We've got all these kids who've been hurt.
	We've got all this information.
	And then they hand out the binders and they do the photo ops.
	And actually, even when that happened, I was willing to give them some grace.
	Okay, phase one, they say, it's like barely anything new and interesting.
	And I don't blame, by the way, I don't blame any of the conservatives who showed up to the White House and were handed binders like that.
	And then they walked out and they held them up.
	That's, I mean, I see a lot of people taking shots at them for that.
	Oh, you were part of something stupid.
	They had no idea what they were a part of.
	They were just handed documents.
	I blame the Attorney General of the United States for doing that.
	And then at the conclusion of all of this, for her to release a one and a half page memo telling the rest of us to shut up was a stupid idea.
	I don't know who thought this was a good idea in the Justice Department.
	But if you release a memo like that, the effect of it is isn't to stop the interest, which is what, of course, they were hoping would happen.
	It only accelerated.
	It was dumping fuel on the fire.
	All of a sudden, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.
	You're telling me that there's no further public disclosures coming?
	That's what the memo said.
	No further public disclosures.
	It said no one else is going to be prosecuted.
	That's what the memo declared.
	And it said there was no blackmail operation being done.
	What?
	In the face of so much evidence to suggest that there clearly was.
	So all of that was infuriating, of course.
	And again, I think Pam Bondi should thank her lucky stars.
	She still has a job given the horrific rollout that we saw.
	See, I'm almost weighing my words because I don't want to ask a question that might put you at odds with various interests, but I'm happy you're opinionated and transparent.
	The question is this.
	I've been saying that Bondi should have gotten fired before and independent of the Epstein stuff.
	People are saying, oh, well, they finally dismissed the charges against Dr. Moore.
	That was after a very long time after the trial started under this administration and only after significant pushback.
	They never dismissed the charges against Douglas Mackey.
	He won on appeal.
	They're still prosecuting Roger Veer for reasons which are Bitcoin Jesus, which cannot be understood to prosecute a Bitcoin pioneer under Biden administration prosecutions and not just pardon, dismiss whatever.
	And I said, she didn't know what cases were going up to the Supreme Court, staying involved in Biden-level prosecutions and not getting involved to support some of these Second Amendment cases.
	Oh, she should have been fired for that.
	The Epstein debacle is just, I don't, it's almost like sabotage.
	Why is Trump so loyal to her?
	Almost, in my humble view, to the detriment or to the throwing under the bus of Dan Bongino and Cash Patel.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the answer to that is.
	Why is Trump so loyal to Lindsey Graham?
	You know, it's like some, there's like, there are people that they've established good rapports with the president.
	He likes them and he decides to keep them around.
	He clearly is sticking his neck out for her right now.
	Obviously, one thing he's probably keeping in mind is he's already been through firing an attorney general early in his administration and then having the difficulty of replacing them.
	Remember, Jeff Sessions went through this experience on round one when President 45 was in.
	And Jeff Sessions, he, you know, by the way, Sessions is a, as far as I can tell, he's a sweet man.
	He's a good guy.
	And he very sincerely believed in the immigration mission of this country.
	But he got really weak at a really pivotal moment when he recused himself from all of this stuff that was being kicked up for no reason about Trump-Russia collusion.
	And that allowed the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to appoint a special counsel and then completely just paralyzed so many big elements of the Trump presidency early on.
	It was a complete disaster.
	So I think the president is stung from that experience.
	I don't think he wants an early firing of the attorney general.
	I think that has to factor into his thinking here.
	But she just, you know, she needs to be better.
	There are elements that I'm happy with.
	It looks like the Solicitor General is succeeding a lot in the United States Supreme Court.
	We're getting a lot of good victories going our way there.
	The Justice Department seems very sincere about exerting all the resources they can about helping the immigration mission, which, by the way, massive success.
	The border lockdown tight, people being deported.
	They're going after, you know, the FBI itself has caught three of the top 10 on their most wanted list.
	They're going after child predators everywhere.
	Hundreds of child molesters been arrested.
	They've got a lot of things to be proud of.
	I just think with all of the cases you just mentioned and this Epstein saga, I don't know what it is.
	I don't know.
	Maybe she's just not up to the task.
	I can't tell.
	Maybe she's got people around her who are still steering her the wrong way.
	But either way, you just need killers.
	You need killers around you because otherwise the deep state that is still ever present is going to overwhelm you.
	You need a lot of people with Trump-like attitude just getting victories.
	And that's what people sort of don't realize.
	They say, oh, Trump made some mistakes in cabinet picks the first time around.
	He won't make the same mistake this time around.
	I say, to some extent, follow that through.
	The deep state learned some lessons the first time around.
	They're going to be even more in hiding and in wait the second time around.
	And, you know, he's everyone's susceptible of making the same mistakes over and over again.
	But you figure Trump's going to get better at picks and dealing with it, but so is whatever adverse interests there are against Trump are going to get better at hiding it and figuring out other ways to sabotage the administration, which is genuinely what I feel that this Epstein situation has been.
	I think so.
	I think, yeah, no, I think everybody adapts for sure.
	I will say that to the president's credit, he's picked a lot of really good people.
	In fact, he's picked the kind of people who've been victims of that deep state in order to run these agencies.
	That includes the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, who was targeted as some sort of extremist when he was in the National Guard and tasked with protecting Washington, D.C. for his tattoos.
	You remember that?
	Tulsi Gabbard was treated as a terrorist, followed by the Quiet Skies program.
	And now she's the head of the Intel community, which is definitely pissing off Hillary Clinton and company.
	You know, you get guys like RFK Jr., who was targeted by the government as they use their censorship operation to prevent him from talking about health.
	Now he's the head of HHS.
	The same is true of the guys who were with the Great Barrington Declaration, Jay Bhattacharya.
	And then you got Marty McCary up there.
	You've got a lot of people who've experienced the cruel end of the government's tyranny.
	And now they're in positions of power to do something about it.
	I kind of like that.
	I like that they're battle-hardened.
	And I like that they're radicalized against the government's abuses of power.
	So, you know, you're right.
	It's not everything is going to be perfect, but I will say this is a much better roster of people than round one.
	And it's amazing.
	Pete Heckseth, it wasn't just the tattoos.
	There was that whole sex, you know, sexual abuse scandal that broke and just, you know, dissipates once they realize it's not going to work.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Procedurally speaking, what could happen by way of recess appointment, hypothetically, because you're right about if you replace the AG, it can cause a headache.
	How would it work in terms of a recess appointment if hypothetically Bondi stepped down, stepped aside?
	Well, I think, yeah, I mean, you're getting into territory that normally require me to use some Google to get to the bottom of it.
	I could do ChatGPT2X or Grok, but I will say, I do think that the president does have the ability to force a recess if he wants to.
	And I mean, normally what happens is Congress, as I've seen it in the past, even when they're on recess, they're not quite on recess.
	They have these pro forma sessions that continue, and it's designed to rob the president of the ability to have recess appointments.
	Now, of course, as you know, the House and the Senate are controlled by Republicans.
	They should not for a moment stand in the way of this.
	But I've been so ticked off by especially the Senate Republicans who are constantly finding weasel-y excuses not to execute on the simplest things on behalf of the agenda the people voted for.
	I'm not asking for them to be reflexive rubber stampers for everything for the president, but this week, this whole $9 billion in rescissions, that's the easiest cut even imaginable.
	And the fact that it was this difficult to peel out of Congress is a clear sign that they're not on our side.
	They're not bothering thinking about how to control the debt.
	They're not worried about, they don't care, I've been worried about whether or not your children, your grandchildren are going to have a country they can even afford.
	They're just awful.
	I mean, they're just, I'm not saying all the Republicans are.
	In fact, most of the Republicans were on board, but a couple of them were on the margins, the Susan Collins and the Lisa Murkowski's and the Dan Sullivan for a little bit, Mike Rounds, Mitch McConnell.
	It's always just a big, gigantic, you know, what's his face?
	Thom Tillis from North Carolina.
	Yes, I know.
	It's Tom.
	I call him Thom.
	These guys are absurd, and they're not on our side.
	It's just so gross to see.
	So, you know, it's a tough fight.
	Murkowski, Collins, Mitch McConnell, they've been problems even through the confirmation process.
	Like, what is their deal?
	I mean, are they Democrats in disguise or are they, I don't know, I don't want to say disloyal because you can disagree without being disloyal, but what is their deal in terms of an ideological opposition to Trump?
	Well, McConnell hates Trump for sure.
	So that's, I think a lot of that is animated by personal animosity.
	They've never liked each other through the years.
	And, you know, Susan Collins is one of these things where people kind of like senators, I think, kind of begrudgingly deal with the fact that Susan Collins exists because she's a Republican in a blue state.
	And they're saying, we'll take the best we can get.
	We've got Susan Collins there.
	Yes, she's going to be with us some percentage of the time.
	That's better than never.
	That's, I guess that's the way they think about Collins.
	So everyone kind of keeps the powder dry there because they're like, what is what is the fight worth?
	You end up with a Democrat there.
	We'd rather have a Republican who votes with us 15% of the time.
	And then, you know, Murkowski, I don't really know what her deal is.
	I mean, she's fighting.
	One of the things they were fighting for in this rescissions is like, they want more public broadcasting funding in Alaska.
	They're like, oh, these are the radio stations that are here.
	It's $9 billion.
	And that's $9 billion of like the budget is what now?
	I want to say it's $20 some odd trillion.
	Am I well?
	You're probably right.
	I always think of the national debt.
	We're in about $37 trillion in debt.
	And they're asking for $9 billion.
	And I just go by factors of $10.
	So $9 billion times $10,090 billion times $10,900 billion.
	We're not at a percentile of a trillion to cut on stupid stuff.
	And they make like moral cases out of cutting $9 billion, which still itself will do nothing.
	It's nothing.
	It's not going to slow anything.
	I mean, like, just by way of perspective, the president has tariffs imposed on countries right now.
	And the good news on the tariff fight is that prices are not going up in the United States, despite all the fear-mongering on that subject.
	The Treasury has already taken in $50 billion from tariff payments.
	$50 billion.
	Okay, that's phenomenal.
	That's great news for the rest of us.
	That's five times as much as the Senate just cut.
	So the Senate barely is, this is like finding change under your floor mat.
	This is the amount of money we're talking about for the U.S. government.
	And that was like pulling teeth.
	So what that tells me, this power, I don't know how much you've dwelled on rescissions, but.
	No, no, no, the economics of the budget is something where I tune out as much as when people start talking about Bitcoin.
	Well, the words come out and they don't compute in my head.
	Let me just give you the basic that I think really needs to stand out.
	It was Marsha Blackburn who told me about this first.
	And I was like, wait a second, pause.
	Tell me again what you just said.
	All business in the Senate, almost all business in the Senate requires 60 votes.
	Almost everything.
	The senators in the majority kind of love it.
	They won't say this out loud, but they kind of love it because it means they don't have to take any difficult votes.
	If the filibuster's in the way, they don't have to bother with fixing things.
	They're like, oh, shoot, the Democrats blocked it.
	I can't do anything about it.
	There's plenty of Republicans who love that.
	Here's the thing about rescissions.
	I know the word is boring, but man, this is a super useful power.
	The president can request to Congress, I want you to cut this particular spending.
	And it requires only a simple majority vote in the Senate to do it.
	That's very unusual.
	That's an exceptional power.
	There's a reason people don't talk about it in Congress.
	They don't want you to even think about that power.
	In fact, it's so little discussed, members of Congress didn't understand it.
	Members of, I swear to you, members of Congress were confused about this power.
	But the president has it.
	So he goes, cut this spending for me, please.
	It starts a 45-day clock when he requests it.
	That 45-day clock, by the way, up today.
	Today was the last day to do it.
	And they just got it in under the wire.
	They get $9 million in cuts.
	The message here, though, is if it elapses 45 days, if it goes over that, the spending continues and the president can't request it again this year.
	He can't request another cut for that.
	Within the fiscal year.
	Yes.
	He can't request that item be cut again this fiscal year.
	So it took 40, they had 45 days to debate the content of the 9 billion in rescissions, which required only a simple majority.
	JD Vance could be the tiebreaker.
	And if they futz around and don't get it done, he cannot request those same cuts that year.
	Correct.
	Not again.
	So here's the thing.
	So this is the magic of what's going to happen next.
	So August 18th, now a month from today, will begin the final 45 days of the fiscal year heading into September 30th.
	That date is when the White House believes they can do something called a pocket rescission.
	You've heard of a pocket veto where you don't sign the legislation.
	A pocket rescission.
	And what they mean by that is the White House on August 18th, this is what we expect, is going to request massive amounts of cuts to the federal government.
	But because it comes at the end of the fiscal year, if it elapses, it doesn't actually, it's perfect because Congress doesn't have to deal with it at all.
	They could just skip voting on it.
	So the president can cut that spending without Congress being involved.
	That's what they're going to try and do this year.
	Now, there's already a fight going on.
	Oh, this, you can't do that.
	That's unconstitutional.
	Fine.
	Let's test it in the courts.
	But Russ Vogt, the head of the Office of Management and the budget in the White House is saying, I want to cut, baby.
	I asked him recently, I was like, how much are you talking about here?
	What's the price tag on this thing?
	Because I want a lot.
	I'd like to see hundreds of billions of dollars of cuts at least.
	And he said, I don't want to get ahead of the president.
	Give me one of these answers.
	I'm like, okay, fine.
	But let me just ask you this.
	Is it going to be a lot more than $9 billion?
	Can we say that?
	And he's like, yeah, you can say that.
	So that's what we know right now.
	That's what we know.
	We'll see what happens.
	A lot more can be 12 billion.
	I know, I know.
	In my life, a billion is a lot more.
	Yeah.
	That's wild.
	Okay.
	Before moving on from the Epstein thing entirely, because we'll talk about the W's, yes.
	There are some to talk about.
	Yeah.
	What do you make of the latest news that Pam Bondi is now authorizing some unsealing of the grand jury records?
	Or at least she's going to petition the courts and request it.
	What do you make of it?
	Do you think it goes anywhere?
	Okay.
	Well, let me, first of all, I thought you were going to ask me about the Wall Street Journal Doodlegate story.
	Oh, no, no, no, I'm getting to that one after this one.
	I got that article on the backdrop.
	Yeah, we'll get it.
	Doodlegate is one of my favorite stories of the last 24 hours.
	But no, the Pam Bondi thing, not to rob this interview of who's interviewing who here, but I really would prefer to ask you, the lawyer, on this subject, because the fact is, look, it's not something that can happen automatically, right?
	She's got to request this of the judge, and the judge has to say that there's an adequate reason to release it.
	Do you think it's possible to impress upon a judge for that outcome?
	Well, and this is where I'm the Canadian attorney.
	I picked the brains of the American attorneys.
	Barnes and I are going to talk about it Sunday.
	There's another guy, Andrew Bronca, Law of Self-Defense, who said, you know, rightly, there's a good reason why grand jury proceedings are kept under seal.
	And it says, you know, no witness intimidation, no impact on innocent people who are implicated.
	I can understand it, you know, to the extent they can release something.
	Yes.
	I think the main thing is I think Trump has felt the pressure.
	But yeah, I could see people saying this will go a few months.
	At the end of a couple of months, they're going to say, a judge said no, we tried.
	But I think it's a good concession to make in the meantime because it gives a little bit of more ground to say, all right, good.
	You said yes on this.
	We'll see what happens.
	But get to the Acosta transcript, which is what we really want.
	So there's precedent, though.
	We do have the 2016 grand jury documents that were previously unsealed already for Epstein.
	it may be, I wonder if in the, in the eyes of the court that there may be an advantage here that he's dead that, that, that, so in other words, the accused in this case is alleged, Oh, yeah, allegedly dead.
	But let's, for the purposes of unsealing the documents, let's just pretend.
	So everybody knows, I do not believe in that particular conspiracy.
	He's dead.
	Virginia Gouffrey's dead.
	Where are you on Tupac?
	You know, I never even got into that.
	I was so young.
	Oh, Tupac's dead.
	Yeah, I think it's tough to fake a death in today's day and age.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right.
	Well, anyway, I just think that this would be valuable.
	And one of the key reasons it would be valuable to get these documents unsealed is because so people understand this is the evidence that's presented to a grand jury to say, yeah, something horrific and illegal has happened here warranting an indictment.
	And so this will be the nitty-gritty.
	This would be the raw stuff that you would look for.
	And so the president here is, you know, I think what he's doing in a bunch of ways, one, he's just doing the same thing he's always been, which is be transparent.
	And two, he's responding to his base, which loves him and also would like more transparency on this issue.
	And he's saying, I'll tell you what, we're going to pursue it.
	And he asked Pambandi to do it.
	And she said she did it today.
	That's amazing.
	That is the major takeaway that I appreciate of this.
	I've been saying for a while, screaming and crying, it's not always useless if it's done properly.
	And Trump reads his truth posts.
	He reads his comments and he understands what the base wants.
	And some people will make messaging mistakes.
	It's a bit of course correct and it's very welcome.
	And no one keeps his ear to the ground more in American politics than Donald Trump.
	He really does pay attention.
	In fact, every room he walks into, it doesn't matter your station in life.
	He wants to get your impression of what you think about this moment and what's going on and whether you agree and whether you disagree.
	He hears everybody out.
	He treats them like the adults they are.
	And that is the skill that has made him such a talented politician in this late chapter of his life.
	I'm going to say this.
	X This gifted Rumble Premium to a bunch of people.
	Thank you very much.
	And X This is going to be the segue in what do you think of Doodlegate?
	Look, I called it yesterday.
	I don't believe it for a bloody second.
	Even if it's true, I couldn't care less.
	And it's not like one of those moving goalposts.
	Like this is legit.
	Even if it was the case in 2003, he made a little booby drawing and wished Epstein a happy birthday.
	I wouldn't care, but I don't believe it for a bloody second.
	This is for those who don't know, Trump is alleged to have given Epstein a happy birthday card back in 2003.
	He drew it and it's, it had like some weird poem on it that said some secrets are best kept secret or something.
	Vince, what do you make of it?
	Well, total preposterousness.
	I think it's completely preposterous, but I arrived at the same conclusion you did, which is like, even if it were true, this is such a dumbass story.
	This is so stupid.
	I can't even believe the Wall Street Journal thought it was fit to be published.
	Yesterday, we were getting all of these signals from people who were like all like hooked up in media.
	Mark Halpern was saying it on his show.
	He said, guys, I'm here in chatter right now that there's a big story coming.
	There's a Trump Epstein barn burner.
	It's about to be dropped.
	It's going to change all of human history.
	And so by the time this thing pops up in the Wall Street Journal last night, I am howling with laughter.
	I think it's the funniest thing ever.
	Are you serious right now?
	So you're saying that he doodled a naked lady 22 years ago and he sent it to Jeffrey Epstein years before any of Epstein's legal problems even began?
	Is that what you're telling me?
	Because this story is catastrophically stupid.
	And his signature was the pubic hair, allegedly.
	It's amazing.
	It's amazing.
	And I don't know.
	I mean, we went through a phase in this country a couple of years ago where everybody became a prude, like you, like a nudie drawing that would destroy your entire career.
	It's like silly.
	I mean, honestly, it's the silliest thing.
	And the language that you just referenced doesn't sound like anything that President Trump has ever written or uttered in his entire life.
	There's nothing.
	It's just so oddball.
	I mean, again, if it was real, if we stipulated for a moment that it was a real thing that was sent from the Trump world, it was probably like an assistant who made it up and sent it to Epstein.
	If you're going to even come up with a plausible explanation for it, it's dumb.
	It really is.
	And the president just decided, well, I'll just treat the Wall Street Journal like I've treated all these other outlets.
	I'll sue them.
	Let me see if I have the, this is the, we've got to read it just to do the stupidity of it justice.
	It said, this is what Trump is alleged to have written.
	Voiceover, there must be more to life than having everything.
	The note began.
	Donald, yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is.
	Jeffrey, he's narrating an alleged conversation.
	Jeffrey, normalized since I also know what it is.
	Normalized since I also know what it is.
	Donald, we have certain things in common, Jeffrey.
	Jeffrey, yes, we do.
	Come to think of it.
	Donald, enigmas never age.
	Have you ever noticed that?
	Have you noticed that?
	Jeffrey, as a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you.
	Trump, a pal is a wonderful thing.
	Happy birthday.
	And may every day be another wonderful secret.
	I made the joke that that sounds like something Egene Carroll would have written.
	It's so poorly written.
	No, it sounds like something that ChatGPT would write if you asked it to write it in the voice of EGE Carroll.
	You know what I mean?
	It is so stupid.
	And I guess one of the great things right now about our country and just about these news cycles is how quickly they die.
	On CNN and MSNBC, even last night, they were like, I'm not sure this is going anywhere.
	I don't think this one's really going to take them down.
	I mean, let's be honest, widen the lens out.
	If Trump survived the Access Hollywood tape, which of course he did, I remember seeing that Access Hollywood tape come.
	I was like, oh, boy.
	I was like, damn, I've never seen a kill shot like this.
	His campaign must be over.
	And then he walks up to a microphone and he goes, lack of room talk.
	And I go, holy shit, he survived it.
	He did it.
	He did it.
	He Teflon donned it.
	It just, it just chipped right off of him.
	And so if he survived that, the newy drawing scandal.
	Okay, come on.
	I mean, it's like, it's so stupid.
	It's unbelievable.
	The announcement is that he's going to sue.
	I'll see what that lawsuit looks like.
	He's denied it's his, and I have a sneaking suspicion it's either doctored once upon a time.
	People are saying, no, this is legit because it was in like a binded book and someone had the original.
	Who the hell knows what happened to that document over the years?
	And now I sort of understand what Trump was getting at by saying the Epstein story is a hoax.
	Yeah.
	In terms of now, he's legit.
	Now he can say that if that document is doctored, holy crap.
	It's going to be bad for them.
	And so here's what's going to happen, I think.
	Every one of these media outlets that he sued, they don't let it get far enough to get the discovery.
	It always gets set.
	They just settle up because they don't want to take, it just gets very costly very quickly.
	And so ABC settled, CBS settled.
	They're all going to set.
	And so we'll see.
	We'll see if Murdoch and the News Corp has the same attitude about this.
	But if they don't, man, things could get really spicy.
	Vince, the losses, we'll get over the frustration of the Epstein stuff.
	It will settle down one day and the right stuff will be done.
	The big W's of the presidency right now, we have to get to some good news.
	So the border is obviously like a 94% decrease in illegal crossings.
	It's effectively sealed now, miraculously.
	The deportations, he's getting some good court victories.
	If you had a top three of Trump successes that you would want to highlight so that people don't get bogged down in the negative, what would they be?
	The border.
	Definitely the border.
	100%.
	In fact, the fact that this week they reported that border crossings have reached the lowest level in recorded American history is exactly what we voted for.
	And it's phenomenal news.
	I love seeing that.
	Deportations have been, I think, a success story.
	Obviously, people want, they say they want mass deportations.
	They want a higher pace than this.
	And that includes people within the White House.
	Stephen Miller wants a minimum of 3,000 deportations a day.
	I want to say about a week ago or so, I think I heard Tom Holman say they were up to 2,000 a day.
	They're moving.
	And I like that they're moving on all these dangerous criminals first, getting as many of them out of the country as possible.
	I like the theater of the deportations.
	I think the images are really important to achieving something else, which is self-deportation.
	So when you're sending people to Guantanamo Bay, when you're sending them to Alligator Alcatraz, when you're sending them off to El Salvador, you show videos of guys getting their heads shaved, those gangsters sent to El Salvador.
	The effect of that is you're watching as a lot of people are looking at the news.
	And even if they're just kind of picking up some of the basic details, not the specifics of who's been targeted here, they're going, you know what?
	I just want the easy way.
	Why don't I just go back to my home country?
	And they jump on the CBP home app, they register and they get out.
	And the effect of that has already led to some estimates say over a million people have self-deported from the United States.
	That's what you want.
	You know, when Eisenhower was doing these deportations in the middle of the last century, for every one government deportation, they had 10 self-deportations going on.
	That's what the Trump administration, I'm sure, is aspiring to, and they should go to there.
	So yes, while I think they're doing amazing things, we always want more.
	We always want more.
	The economy has been great.
	The upside of the economy is that more native-born Americans are getting jobs and foreigners are not.
	That's a change in patterns from where we were with Biden.
	It was all going to foreign-born workers.
	Native-born Americans were getting the shaft in all of those jobs reports.
	Wages are outpacing the rise in prices in the United States for the first time in a long time.
	That's a very, very big thing because that means American families are more likely to be able to afford what they need to get by.
	And in a world where credit card debt's gone to over a trillion dollars, you got to figure out something.
	To go back actually to the jobs, because some people, I say the naysayers want to say, well, the jobs reports are not as good as they should be.
	But Robert Barnes, our Sunday Night Show, he was drawing that very same distinction.
	See where the jobs are going and going to American citizens.
	So the stats offhand, I don't know what they are, but how is that reflected?
	What is the increase in American citizens getting the jobs that had hitherto been going to, I don't know, H1B1 visas or whatever?
	Those are, I don't have all the numbers in front of me.
	One of my favorite people is my economist, E.J. Antoni.
	He's also my cousin, but he's a great dude.
	He's one of the best economists on the right.
	We talk about this a lot.
	And it's the private sector.
	That's where everything is happening.
	Understand what happened in the Biden era when they gave you these jobs reports.
	They were like, look at all the jobs we added.
	Public sector jobs.
	There was a lot of government jobs and a lot of part-time private sector jobs.
	People were stacking up part-time jobs to make ends meet.
	They were taking multiple jobs.
	And so they get double counted in the jobs numbers.
	And then people will say, oh, look, we added all these jobs.
	No, it's the same person taking a bunch of gigs in order to figure out a way to pay for their life.
	We're seeing a reversal of those trends.
	Full-time jobs are growing again in the United States of America.
	And if you have a full-time job, that comes with benefits.
	That comes with a better ability to take care of your family.
	And so all these trends are headed in the absolute right direction.
	The economic press was all, you know, again, rooting against Trump here, claiming things were going to be miserable.
	The tariff fight has resulted in success.
	We haven't seen a rampant increase in inflation as a result.
	We see jobs reports heading in the right direction.
	And the president's obligation is clearly to the people who voted for him and to this country.
	And that really means taking care of Native-born Americans first.
	So I love the story right now.
	And it deserves, I think it deserves way more appreciation.
	But you know how this stuff goes.
	It's like even the people who love Trump in the media, you always look for the next dragon display.
	Not everybody likes reflecting on the wins, but I think it's worthwhile.
	Okay, fantastic.
	The big, beautiful bill got passed.
	it had the good, the bad, and the ugly.
	I remember I was listening to you while I was jogging in central Florida, dodging black bears.
	Literally, I saw I ended up seeing a big mum bear with like milk in her boobs with two babies, but we were in the car.
	But I was listening to you talk about that.
	So pros and the cons about the one big, beautiful bill that has now passed.
	I mean, what's your take?
	Overall, net positive or not enough?
	Oh, I think it's a massive victory.
	I don't, I, I don't, I, this was never a close call to me.
	You know, there's, I get it, the like kind of the concerns about AI regulation and they were able to strip some of that stuff out.
	There's, there's definitely going to be things that you can pick apart about the legislation that you're not going to love.
	But just the top line items, the fact that they made permanent the Trump tax cuts, that's not a small thing.
	And I don't know.
	And I think what's going to happen is there's not going to be Americans who maybe necessarily appreciate it because what it means for them in a lot of ways is that their taxes are going to be similarly low next year.
	But it would have meant a 22% tax hike.
	People would have paid 22% more in taxes next year if they didn't extend these things permanently.
	They did.
	Thank God.
	They brought in a bunch of tax cuts for other categories.
	You know, no tax on tips.
	Again, all these things, they phase out at a certain level, but fundamentally, there's massive amounts of the country is not going to pay taxes on tipped earnings, no taxes on overtime, no taxes on social security.
	That's going to make a material difference in the lives of a lot of people.
	So on the economic side, I love it.
	And then on the immigration enforcement side, I love it.
	I just think it's great.
	Look, they are building not just one border wall.
	Rand Paul kind of came in and he was like, what?
	They're spending too much money on the border wall.
	And then he brought up some kind of old estimate from some old report from literally almost 20 years ago or 15 years ago that claimed that it would be a very small amount of money.
	He was talking about a limited just pedestrian border wall.
	That was it.
	I looked into it, what he was talking to.
	I wanted to look at what he claimed to see if there was anything to support it.
	What Trump is talking about is very different.
	Not only is it pedestrian barriers, it's vehicular barriers.
	It's in the water barriers in the Rio Grande.
	It's roads to support border patrol and all of the needs that they have is the technology to lock down that border.
	They're investing real money in a real durable policy that can't just be reversed with the stroke of a pen.
	The beauty of a border wall is that another follow-on president of a different political party can't come in and just erase it with an executive order.
	It's there.
	You've got to tear it down.
	You've got to get the money to tear it down.
	So that thing stays and that's good news.
	And then the biggest thing is the deportations.
	They're adding 10,000 ice agents, 10,000 ice agents, which is a dramatic increase in size of that agency.
	And that gets us closer to the whole point that people voted for this guy, which is, of course, the economic wins and getting control of our country again and making it one in which if you invade it, you get deported.
	Okay, so we've got the mistakes, which we covered, the wins, which are, I think, unfortunately might have gotten not as much attention as they deserve.
	The not room for improvement, but next on the list.
	Like if I'll lead you to this one, because this is sort of one of the things I would love to see in the next year, two, three, is not weaponizing the legal system against anybody, but rather going after those who had weaponized the system against Trump.
	I mean, we got, and if it's a criticism, I don't think it's a criticism.
	It's just, hey, don't forget about this, to go after the Leticia James.
	There's another story now about Adam Schiff allegedly having committed the same mortgage fraud as Leticia James, ish.
	Oddly enough, exactly what they accused Trump of, found him guilty of.
	What do you want to see next on the to-do list that has yet to got to do?
	Done.
	Accountability.
	I completely agree.
	Accountability.
	And what that means is you have to prosecute people who break our laws.
	We don't play the game like the left does.
	We don't make it up.
	We just base it on what actually happened.
	That's the trick here.
	And so today I think we're getting sort of the seminal moments of this appearing in public.
	Just before, you know, you and I started talking, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, began declassifying massive tranches of information dating back now a decade to the Trump-Russia collusion hoax and how all of that got cooked up.
	I haven't seen all the headlines out of that yet.
	One of them that clearly came out is that the intelligence community knew that Russia had no meaningful impact on the election, yet they were withholding that from the public, creating theater that Trump and Russia had colluded.
	These are all important details.
	And the reason they're important is not merely an old fact-finding mission to satisfy your curiosities.
	The reason they're important is because John Solomon and Paul Sperry, both talented reporters in their own right, have been reporting that there is a grand conspiracy investigation going on at the FBI.
	And in order to hold people accountable for violations of the law that happened many years ago, the only way that that can work outside of normal statute of limitations concerns is if you establish that it's a part of an ongoing criminal conspiracy.
	And the statute of limitations runs from the last overt act of the conspiracy, which could very well include Jack Smith's attempts to go after President Trump, including in Florida.
	And here's the big piece of that.
	The fact that they went after him in Florida opens up the possibility that a grand jury can be impaneled there and not in Washington, D.C. Because the way that so much of the court rigging process has occurred in the past is you do all the juicy stuff in D.C. because it's a guarantee to go after Trump.
	It doesn't even matter that it's fake.
	It's a guarantee that in a city where 95% of the people vote for the Democrats every single time, there's no way Trump walks away without a conviction, an indictment and a conviction.
	So we've got some possibilities here.
	And this gets back to kind of where we started, honestly.
	You think about if Dan Bongino is going to stick around as deputy director of the FBI, if Cash Patel is going to keep plugging away on these issues, which he's been obsessed with since the moment they started, he's been the victim.
	He's been pursued by a tyrannical government.
	If these guys are going to make it worth it and they're going to establish legacies that they can be proud of, I think it's very much going to include these issues.
	And so I'm looking forward to see what they do next.
	Yeah, it was Patel mentioned it, you know, the statute of limitations for perjury, but then also did mention the conspiracy caveat to that, which can allow it to continue running.
	And I appreciate that a lot of us want results, not just yesterday, but at least immediately fast enough.
	And then the excuse is, well, some things take time, and everybody is too used to understanding that to mean takes time, takes time, takes time.
	Never happens because people forget about it.
	Yeah.
	And you're right to be frustrated.
	It's okay.
	I think that's totally right.
	I'm frustrated.
	I keep saying we've seen a lot of planes take off.
	Very few have landed.
	I want this bad boy to land.
	That's all.
	I want one of them to land.
	And it's got to make, you got to make a big splash.
	I want John Brennan in pinstripes.
	I want a mugshot of these people because these guys, you know, whether it's on this case or anything else, you know, John Brennan, the former head of the CIA, he lied about spying on the United States Senate.
	He lied about it straight up.
	And the CIA is not supposed to be spying on the United States Senate.
	They're supposed to be working to go after our adversaries, to gather intel on them.
	James Clapper lied about spying on the American people in the Congress.
	He straight up lied about it, that they were gathering all this information on the United States.
	This just keeps happening over and over.
	And so, yeah, people are frustrated because they're sick to death of no accountability for people who keep on wielding their power in a tyrannical way.
	And if these guys can nail any of them, I'll be the first to cheer them on.
	Vince, I asked our community if they had any specific questions for you.
	One question from Robin Sage is, how many times a day are you asked Bongino's thinking on X, like every five minutes?
	And what is he asked about on most subjects?
	I get a lot of messages from people.
	I'm trying to think what the topic would be.
	Tell Dan this.
	Tell Dan that.
	They think I'm like, you know, I'm his inbox or whatever.
	I'm not.
	In fact, I told my audience a while ago, you know, one, it's the podcast vehicle, what I'm doing.
	Paula Bongino runs the podcast company.
	So people are like, interview Dan.
	Have Dan on.
	That'd be a great idea.
	Yeah, it would be a fantastic idea.
	Unfortunately, I think it's like a massive conflict of interest to bring Dan into the podcast and try and talk to him because like, you know, it would advertise it.
	It would financially benefit Paula.
	I don't think that works.
	I don't think that would work.
	Well, I've been, I've been at, I mean, I also don't think he's free necessarily to sit down with just anybody to take any questions, but I've been destroyingly asking, like, hey, we can go meet up at the local studio, but maybe the, and you should keep asking because you would do a much better interview than most of these idiots.
	But I would say, no, the thing I get a lot is people trying to use me as a conduit to be like, tell him this or whatever.
	Or if they're mad at him or whatever, they want me to know.
	And that's fine.
	I don't mind.
	You know, you can't really, you can't do a job like this unless you're willing to take a lot of incoming.
	And I've become comfortable with it.
	I tell my wife to stop reading comments, though.
	I'm like, she reads comments and then she'd be like, did you see what?
	And I was like, I'm like, do you ever get this?
	I'm like, babe, don't read the comments.
	I was like, there's a reason I ignored that one.
	I love, I do read comments, but I don't want her reading them because then what happens is she brings something into the house.
	I'm like, I already ignored that stupidity.
	I thought that was ridiculous.
	You know, you got to thicken up a little bit.
	Don't bring it to my house.
	Vince, although I was going to ask you another thing.
	It was the last question.
	Oh, yes.
	Do you believe that Comey should be facing charges for his 8647 Instagram posts?
	Well, it would bring me great joy if he did.
	It would bring me great joy if he did.
	I think to this day, I think that he's just an absurdity.
	I think he did that himself.
	I don't think that he stumbled upon it.
	I just think this overgrown goon was on the beach and he was like, oh, this would be funny for Instagram.
	And he puts 8647 down.
	And then he's like, I had no idea what.
	Do you remember the post?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's like, I went so hard that we was like, Viva, it's just a post.
	It's not just a post.
	I didn't know what it meant.
	He gave an interview like a few weeks earlier where he mentioned that he watched The Sopranos, where 8640, you know, 86ing someone is mentioned not all the time, but oftentimes.
	I think he knew exactly what he was doing and he knew exactly what he wanted to happen as a result.
	Of course.
	He was just being like a cheeky jackass is what he was doing.
	And, you know, it actually we saw that the FBI said it inspired a whole bunch of people to start pulling the same stunt right away.
	That they had to go investigate.
	I'm like, yeah, you're investigating the copycats.
	You have to investigate the original because if the copycats are, in fairness also, a lot of the copycats, they went a little bit further than just an 8647.
	Some of them were making other statements.
	Look, I'll leave the constitutional questions to the people who understand them better.
	I'm on the side of the First Amendment.
	I do think you have a right to be stupid.
	Like, I've definitely been stupid in the past.
	But that said, I think that guy's a total jackass.
	He knew he was going to incite people here and he was doing it.
	I guess because his book was coming out or whatever.
	But I'd like to see him be held accountable because his name keeps coming up alongside John Brennan as being a part of this grand conspiracy.
	Look, Comey is the guy who goes to Trump Tower to brief President Trump, then Candidate Trump, or president-elect at that point, about the existence of the steel dossier.
	That was used as the predicate to make it public.
	CNN ran a story instantly that Trump had been briefed by Comey on that subject.
	And that began a massive sequence of madness.
	And Comey knew better.
	He knew that it was fake.
	He knew it was garbage.
	And he did it anyway.
	And now Maureen Comey has finally been relieved of her duties, but I would say maybe a little bit late, but better late than never.
	Vince, I'm going to carry on and read some chats and do some.
	Everybody knows where to find you, but where can they find you?
	They can find me all over the place.
	I'm on X. My last name, I just like, I got to keep it in there.
	So people do have to spell it if they want to find me.
	But luckily, the internet usually makes it easy.
	Vince Colona is on X. I'm on Truth Social.
	I'm on, let's see, Instagram, Facebook.
	I'm all over the place.
	I totally butchered your last innovation.
	Coleonese?
	We go Colonnes.
	It's not fair.
	You know what happens is families arrive in the United States and over the course of generations, they mangle the original pronunciation.
	That's definitely true in my family.
	We go with colonnes.
	The family branched off into two.
	So on the Chicago side, I think they're still going with Coglionese.
	But no, we're not.
	I'm not crazy.
	It is Italian.
	It is Italian.
	Okay.
	Colonnes almost sounds French, like you've been like a colonizer.
	Yeah, that's everyone has.
	In fact, I met one of my old colleagues was an Italian speaker when he was born.
	And the first time he heard my name, he thought it was collones, which is like cojones, like balls.
	And I was like, that's good.
	That's good to be mistaken.
	I like that.
	Amazing.
	I'm going to put all the links in the pinned comment when the stream is over, but thank you immensely for doing this.
	I watch, I listen to you because I watch, listen when I'm jogging, and it's incredibly informative, which is where I get a lot of my info from.
	And you are, you've stepped into the shoes of and well-filled Bongino's slot and Bongino's contribution to the world.
	It's amazing, and everybody should watch if they don't already.
	What an honor to hear you say it.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate you.
	Thank you very much.
	Have a good weekend.
	I'll talk to you soon.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	That was amazing.
	Let me bring up all of the chats.
	I don't want to do the chats with the guests on stage.
	I always feel awkward and tawdry, pedantic.
	What is it?
	Tawdry and pedantic.
	Me so trashed says, I love what the administration has done.
	It is healing the body of the country, but the Epstein stuff is a wound to the soul of the country.
	If we can't find justice for children, is it worth saving?
	I will say at this point, the administration has heard the pressure and is now changing course in response to people saying it's not going to, you're not going to get anything at a time.
	Fine, but also continue to apply pressure.
	Listen to the Mike Benz interview and snip and clip.
	Lucy the Dog says, did you see the Epstein files could be refabricated to produce fake evidence versus Trump?
	Let's pray for him.
	Yes.
	That's going to be, I mean, that's a little more difficult in terms of manufacturing.
	I mean, that was exactly part of what I was thinking yesterday with this whole, I was going to say, what's it called when you squibble?
	Scribble gate.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Like, first of all, when that story broke after Trump is saying, you know, you can't rely on the file.
	I was like, what interesting timing.
	Trump is saying you can't rely on the file.
	Maureen Comey gets fired.
	And then you have, in fairness, I think the story probably started breaking or at least, you know, was in development before Maureen Comey got fired.
	But yeah, manufacturing evidence that is going to withstand scrutiny is difficult, much more difficult than destroying the evidence that's actual evidence.
	So I'd be more emphasis placed on the risk or reality of destruction of evidence and how do you reconstitute that evidence or rediscover it, reopen investigations.
	That's the next step.
	Fine.
	I agree, Trump.
	It's all been tainted.
	Some of it's been destroyed.
	Reopen, start from scratch.
	We'll see.
	But they're already changing course in a net positive direction.
	So keep on the pressure.
	Be positive and constructive about it.
	And then maybe one day you too can end up right next to Elon Musk in a New York Times article.
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	Trump would never call him Jeffrey.
	He would have a nickname.
	Well, forget.
	Oh, Jeffrey.
	Yeah, I guess both of you.
	Nobody calls him Jeff Epstein.
	That's a good point.
	He would never have called him Jeffrey.
	Jeffrey?
	In fact, I can't even think about the word Jeffrey now without thinking about P. Diddy in Get Him to the Greek.
	Why is it called a Jeffrey?
	Well, who could have a problem with Jeffrey?
	Kiki Blue says, Viva, can you tell us the status of the whistleblower board of payroll agent you interviewed last year?
	And was it, was in the James.
	Yeah, I messaged you earlier.
	Zach Apotheker.
	Sorry, not Anthonypotheker.
	Zach Apotheker.
	He's doing well.
	He has not been reinstated yet, as far as I know.
	And I said I would put that on blast because he deserves to be reinstated, as do the FBI whistleblowers.
	You know, again, constructive criticism.
	It's a very, very busy administration.
	So remind them of that, which is important.
	The FBI whistleblowers, who under Biden got sanctions, should be reinstated.
	And Zach Apotheker, the border agent, who appeared in James O'Keefe's documentary, should be reinstated.
	All right, people, that's it.
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	What I'm going to do in the meantime, however, I believe Roseanne Barr.
	Jimmy Dore is live.
	Do we want Jimmy Dore or Roseanne Barr?
	Hmm.
	Chat.
	Do we raid Jimmy Dore or Roseanne Barr?
	We're going to take a quick poll.
	The first 20.
	We're going to see.
	So the raid, Jimmy Dore, Roseanne Barr.
	Hey, you know what?
	Forget it.
	We're going to do Roseanne Barr.
	Okay, good.
	Roseanne was the first one I saw.
	We raid Roseanne.
	She's live with a premiere right now.
	I think it's here.
	Let me make sure that people are watching.
	Okay, okay, good.
	It might be live.
	I don't know if it's live or pre-recorded.
	Go raid Roseanne and let her know that we sent you and ask her to come on for an interview.
	I want to interview Roseanne.
	I've got so many questions.
	The raid is on, people.
	The raid is on.
	Jimmy is not a commie.
	I like Jimmy.
	But go raid Roseanne.
	Let her know from whence you came and ask her to come on for an interview.
	Tell her I'm actually quite a nice guy.
	Viva, raid in the house.
	Booyah.
	Oh, yeah, you know, say, hi, Roseanne.
	Dear Rosanne Rosanna Dana.
	Hey, Roseanne.
	Did you see we did you see we made it into the New York Times article?
	Smiley face.
	All right, good.
	Thank you, everybody.
	This was fantastic.
	Vince is amazing.
	I've got to remember to put the links in it.
	Did I put in the Mike Benz links from yesterday?
	Community, remind me.
	We're going to go over to viva barneslaw.locals.com right now.
	Come on over.
	We'll enjoy the after party.
	And if you're not going to do that, Sunday night, Viva and Barnes, Law for the People.
	And I'll probably end up putting out a couple of clips.
	then who knows, maybe I'll do a...
	You know who's fighting tomorrow night, people?
	I'll show you who's fighting tomorrow night.
	Hold on.
	Max Holloway is fighting Dustin Poirier tomorrow night.
	And now, this is not going to be an advertisement for Topps, but for anybody who's into it, Tops 2025 is giving like in-store buyback per card for whoever wins the fight.
	And so if Dustin Poirier, Poirier, si Dustin Poirier, si l gang san comba, his cards will be worth like 20 bucks.
	I am quite clearly going for Max Holloway to win.
	A, because I kind of want Max Holloway to win, but I've got one, two, three, four, five cards for Max Holloway, one of which is a purple refractor, which I think is worth $40 of an in-store credit.
	So I got 40, 60, 80.
	That would be $120 versus $80.
	So I don't think I'm going to be happy.
	Unless it's a draw.
	Unless the draw means you get all the cards for both.
	We'll see.
	So there's a good fight tomorrow night.
	Watch it.
	And I might do something else on my Viva Breaks channel.
	But go for it, Rose, and have a good weekend.
	And if you're not coming to Viva BarnesLaw, dot locals.com after party, I will see you Sunday for the Viva and Barnes Law for the people.
	Peace out, Rumble.

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