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April 17, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

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Canadian Election Prime Minister's Debate! Viva Commentary. If you Don't like it, TOUGH!

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	Oh yes, the poor gentleman.
	Sit around the table.
	Each trying to look more heightened, baffer, confident than the next.
	We have meet.
	He has changed the colour of his ribbon tonight.
	He is now pink from the yes place blue.
	He's going both with conservative and liberal colours.
	Why can't I remember his name now?
	Blanchette. That looks like Yves Blanchette.
	They're all taking notes.
	Why are they taking notes?
	Lord only knows.
	Could they not have come in with pieces of paper?
	Viva Frye.
	If the English debate would be as cringe as the French one, I won't be able to make it, says Spihansis.
	We better see some fireworks tonight, people.
	Pierre Poilièvre, as I say, had better find his political sack.
	We're going to start dropping some bombs tonight.
	Metaphorical, proverbial.
	Spiritual bombs.
	Nothing physical.
	In order to give it the very hyper-realistic feel, they've got a beautiful depth of field with the camera and absolutely no one is saying anything.
	All looking down.
	Oh my goodness, Pierre Poilievre is left-handed.
	Looking at his papers.
	Those look like election forms.
	He's counting to see if he has the requisite number of signatures to even be on the ballot.
	This would be quite the controversy if Pierre Poiliev discovered he did not have the ballot number signatures to be on the ballot.
	I'm joking.
	So, yeah, this is the election, the Canadian election debate in English.
	So tonight, at a disadvantage, is going to be Yves Blanchet.
	But I think his English is very good.
	And it should be fun.
	It's been one minute.
	For those of you who sat through yesterday's debate, you don't fully appreciate how bad, how miserably bad Carney's French is.
	Pierre's is actually very good, and Jagmeet, oddly enough, had the best angle of French of the bunch, and Blanchette.
	Zach the Cat, thank you for doing this.
	Someone's got to do it.
	It's me and Pleb.
	I was going to try to do a crossover with Pleb, but I don't want to feel bad if I'm talking too much, and I don't want to feel uncomfortable if he's talking too much.
	What up, Viva, from HalfMN...
	HalfM203Sidmer. That's an interesting name.
	Thank you very much.
	Spread the word.
	Share the link.
	Tweet it around.
	Locals, how are we doing here?
	In Locals...
	How does Jagmeet decide the color of his headdress?
	We can call...
	It's a turban, right?
	I'm not being, like, politically incorrect.
	It's a turban.
	The Sikhs wear turbans.
	Okay, fine.
	I know it's not a keepa.
	I know it's not a burka.
	I know it's not a headscarf.
	Well, I guess maybe it is a headscarf.
	Yeah, turban.
	Okay. Encryptus, tell me if the audio levels are not good.
	I'm talking a lot tonight, people.
	If you don't want to, go watch this boring-ass crap on the native channel.
	If you're going to talk more, I would actually turn their audio down.
	Turn my audio down.
	No, theirs.
	Theirs? Okay.
	How about if I just turn my audio?
	My audio's up all the way.
	Good evening, everybody.
	I'm Steve Pagan, your moderator for tonight's debate.
	Each leader has agreed to the following.
	No notes.
	Answer the questions.
	Stay on theme.
	Answer the questions.
	Well, they're all going to break that.
	Each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks, visible to the leaders and to you at home.
	This is the 2025 Federal Leaders Debate.
	This guy kind of looks like me if I got sucked through like a wormhole and stretched out a little bit and shaved and had my hair cut.
	Well, welcome leaders.
	Good to be with you here tonight in Montreal for what I'm sure will be a memorable evening.
	Steve Paken.
	Our first theme is tariffs and threats to Canada.
	And we will begin with a round of questions.
	You will each have a minute to answer and then we'll go to open debate.
	And the first question goes to Mr. Carney.
	This is already bad.
	Okay. What is the starting point for negotiations, Mr. Carney, with the United States if, as you have stated, our relationship with the U.S. is over as we know it?
	Well, first, Steve, may I thank you and also thank fellow leaders for their service to Canada, people at home, for taking the time to watch.
	I just want to underscore the premise of your question because I think the relationship that we've had with the United States, the relationship over the course of almost the last four decades, which has been one of steadying, increasing integration, has fundamentally changed because the president is looking to fundamentally restructure the trading system.
	So the starting point...
	It has to be one of strength.
	It has to show that we have control of our own economic destiny, has to have a clear plan here at home to build this economy, to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries.
	Like China?
	And also has to have a position of strength in terms of our reaction to the U.S. unjustified tariffs.
	And that's why we have put in place counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here at home.
	Mr. Poliev, would you do anything differently?
	Well, first of all, thank you, Steve, and thank you to our fellow contestants here today.
	It's an honor to be here.
	What would I do different?
	Well, I'll start by what I would do the same.
	I think we do need to counter the American tariffs with our own to deter.
	Okay. Okay.
	Okay. Okay.
	Okay. Threatens our ability to stand up for ourselves.
	So what would I do?
	I would cut taxes, red tape, and approve our resource projects so that we can get our goods to market and bring home the jobs so we stand up to President Trump from a position of strength.
	Mr. Singh, you get the next question.
	Can we trust the United States to work with us on matters such as Arctic sovereignty and defense policy?
	I think we've seen...
	First of all, good evening, everyone, and thank you for tuning in.
	Thanks for the question, Steve.
	We've seen what, for a lot of people, feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States.
	I grew up in a border town, I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how connected we were as a city and as a community.
	People lived on one side of the border, worked on the other, people traveled back and forth all the time.
	We're in the automotive capital of Canada and we knew how important it was to be able to build cars in Canada, but we saw that those cars went back and forth across the border.
	Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada in this unprovoked way without any justification really felt like a betrayal.
	None. And so Canadians now are right to say, well, we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point and we can't really have a lot of faith in it.
	Let's go to China.
	So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security, we need to make decisions that are in our best interest and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S. And that's what I would advocate for, making sure we are Brazilian.
	Independent and less dependent on the United States.
	Verbal dialogue for you.
	What supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs?
	Many, of course, of which are in Quebec.
	Counter tariffs on electricity.
	Many of them.
	First, we all welcome in Quebec and Montreal.
	You have me because I try not to speak English in Montreal.
	However, I think we should never underestimate the threat that Mr. Trump poses on Quebec economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy.
	But we must acknowledge the fact that the economy of Quebec is built differently.
	The challenges are not the same.
	The necessity for Quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation is important.
	The difference between Quebec and Canada is very important in terms of economy, but also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we want to handle immigration.
	We have the right to be different.
	And if this difference is being respected by whoever becomes Prime Minister of Canada, we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners.
	He's basically predicting separating.
	Okay, we now move into open debate.
	And then we go from there.
	Do you still support dollar-for-dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten...
	Canadian jobs and businesses.
	No, and in fact, we've already moved off from dollar-for-dollar tariffs.
	He's been there for one month.
	Already moved off.
	The United States economy is more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy.
	That's right, and more diverse.
	And the principle in terms of our counter-tariffs.
	States, as I said a moment ago, minimum impact here.
	So we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses.
	I'll give you one example, if I may.
	In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, if they maintain their investments here, when I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and
	production in Canada, then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States.
	We create a huge incentive for them in order to do that.
	We also have carved out the Canadian auto parts sector, last point, I know you're pressed for time, the Canadian auto parts sector so that it can remain competitive with the United States.
	We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harm in the U.S. so that we get them where we need.
	Maximizing the harm in the U.S.?
	Can someone clip that?
	Mr. Carney, you claim that you want our country to respond with strength, but after...
	There you go.
	Our economy is weaker than ever before.
	It's been the worst growth in the G7.
	We've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of the border.
	You supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave Donald Trump and the U.S. a near monopoly over our energy.
	And now you want to keep in place Bill C-69, the liberal No new development law that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas.
	How could you possibly think it's a good idea to give the Americans a continued monopoly on our energy projects when you have seen how much these liberal policies have weakened our country over the last decade?
	Let Mr. Karni respond, and then Mr. Singh.
	If I may, yes.
	So let's go to my record.
	My record is a month long as Prime Minister.
	Bullshit! And this goes to the heart of coming to the Americans with strength, but doing the right thing for Canada.
	Within the first week as Prime Minister, I sat down with all the leaders of the provinces and territories, as well as the leaders of the Indigenous peoples.
	Got an agreement with all the provinces and territories.
	Doesn't happen very often.
	Got an agreement for them to have one Canadian economy instead of 13. First point.
	Secondly, to commit the federal government to do its part by Canada Day.
	So free trade in Canada by Canada Day.
	Thirdly, the federal government to commit with respect to project review.
	The question was about pipelines.
	Sorry, I'm getting to it.
	But thirdly, one project, one review, and relying on provincial – yes, it is possible on our system.
	It is the impact assessment.
	It is agreed under the impact assessment framework, and we have a cooperation agreement with British Columbia already.
	We're looking forward to them with the other provinces.
	We will move forward.
	I've got a legible kit.
	Mr. Sting, sir, please.
	Of course we agree around having a strategic response to the United States.
	But what I'm concerned about is what we're doing here in Canada.
	We are already seeing threats to our country.
	In that just the threats alone of the tariffs have made Canadians have lost their jobs.
	The threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now, the impact of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in steel, aluminum, and the auto sector.
	People are already losing their jobs.
	And while, Mr. Carney, you had time, as you mentioned, not a very long time, but as Prime Minister, you showed us your priorities.
	The first thing you did is you had traveled, you made a tax cut for millionaires, which was reversing on the capital gains, so you gave a tax cut to millionaires.
	Right now, workers who are struggling and wondering, what am I going to do if I lose my job?
	Workers who have lost their job are saying, how do I pay my bills when EI only covers half of a worker's salary?
	Maybe 40 years ago that would have worked, but right now most workers...
	Are spending their entire salary just to pay the bills, to pay their mortgage and their rent, and to put food on the table.
	So EI is not good enough.
	And it shows Canadians that you didn't make it a priority to protect those that are impacted by these tariffs that are a threat because their jobs are lost.
	We have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this segment.
	I've got nothing to add.
	Mr. Carney, you are becoming a real Canadian leader saying one thing in French and another one in English.
	Booyah! He said in British Columbia in February that you would force...
	Oil and gas through pipelines through Quebec, either we wanted it or not.
	You would use emergency powers in order to do so.
	And two days later in Montreal, you said that you would never do that without the approval of Quebec.
	What's the point of using emergency powers?
	If you do have the agreement of Quebec, however, I do agree with you, it's important to be very strong in front of Mr. Trump.
	However, I would keep the dollar-for-dollar policy.
	Don't be weak in front of Mr. Trump.
	And those counter-terrorists have to be targeted.
	You have put out already two billions of dollars for Ontario auto industry, car industry, and the...
	Lumberwood industry in Quebec has already paid to the United States two billions of dollars and you have not raised one finger in order to help us.
	Let's get from Mr. Poliev and then a response from Mr. Carney.
	Well, Mr. Carney refused to answer the question about pipelines.
	Just the other day, he said that he doesn't necessarily think we need to build pipelines.
	Let me tell you what that means.
	Right now, the Americans get 97% of our oil, 100% of our natural gas exports at big discounts.
	We have to send Canadian oil from Western Canada through the States just to get it back to Quebec because we don't have a pipeline.
	And now there's this law, Liberal Law C-69, which effectively bans pipelines.
	The 14 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project.
	And I asked Mr. Carney why he would keep in place This anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export.
	Why would you not repeal this liberal law?
	Isn't it because you are exactly in the same line as Justin Trudeau and the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet?
	Let me pick up a couple of points that have been made.
	The first thing I did as prime minister was to cut...
	The carbon tax.
	Your tax!
	That's the first thing.
	Second thing is made a commitment.
	What a great idea.
	Made a commitment that all proceeds, all proceeds from our tariffs will go to workers and those companies most effective.
	There were several points raised.
	Means nothing so far.
	Steve, if I may redress, I'm trying to do it quickly, but several points raised.
	All proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective.
	And those proceeds are considerable.
	Third thing, I'm interested in solutions.
	I'm interested in getting energy infrastructure built.
	That means pipelines.
	That means carbon capture storage.
	That means electricity grids.
	And here's how you do it.
	And we've already moved in the first month.
	Cooperation agreements with the provinces.
	Guess what?
	We are a federation.
	You need to cooperate with Quebec.
	You need to cooperate with the provinces.
	You need to get First Nations and Indigenous people buy-in.
	You can do that through the one project, one review window that we put in place at that first minister's meeting, as well as, if necessary, using emergency powers to fulfill the federal responsibility, but not the unique.
	Mr. Poliev, you want to come back on that?
	What you're saying, Mr. Carney, with respect, is a total contradiction.
	The no-due development law, C-69, guarantees there will not be a one-stop shop because it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate the same project.
	Shut up!
	Let's just let him finish his sentence.
	That is not true.
	In fact...
	Mr. Singh, the reality is we should have strong rules enforced once.
	We shouldn't have multiple levels of referral.
	It's the first time I heard you care about the environment.
	It takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country.
	That is why in the last 10 years we've had the worst economic growth.
	In the entire G7, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.
	We need a change.
	And the conservative plan for a change will include repealing the anti-pipeline law so we can get our energy to markets other than the United States.
	Mr. Singh, then Mr. Cardi.
	While these two compete about who's more pro-pipeline, I think what we need to do is, I mean, it's clear.
	The liberals bought a pipeline.
	They built a pipeline.
	I don't know what Pierre is complaining about.
	That's what they did.
	I think what we need to do, if we're talking about energy in our country, we need to build an east-west grid.
	Let's use our power as a nation to build a national project that creates good jobs, that strengthens us for the future, where we connect the low-cost energy from jurisdictions and provinces across this beautiful land and have low-cost energy for businesses, for people,
	so we can build a stronger economy.
	That's the energy of the future that we need.
	Mr. Carney.
	Three quick points.
	First... The pipeline built, yes.
	TMX built.
	That's why oil exports up 50% over the course of the last few years.
	Secondly, Mr. Singh is absolutely right about the east-west grid.
	Grid interconnections, which is part of the energy corridor, huge opportunities for this country.
	We have to be able to do more than one thing.
	Third point, fundamental point.
	We can give ourselves far more than Donald Trump can ever take away.
	If we have one Canadian economy, not 13, and if we just look at that agreement we got with the provinces, look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their steps towards this, this is within our grasp.
	Monsieur Blanchet, what should we be prepared to concede in our negotiations with the United States?
	I want to be back to something that Mr. Carney said.
	You can't do something in the opposite, and you can't fill people's minds with nonsense.
	Quebec has, by law, its own environmental review institution, and you cannot, through a federal decision, even through a Quebec government decision, go over the BAP, as we call it.
	If the BAP says no, it's no.
	I know.
	Good! I know.
	Let's keep that in mind.
	This is the point.
	This is, if I may, this is the point.
	The federal government can do the following, which is to take the decision to abide by the decision of the Quebec back.
	That is within the federal government's power.
	That is known as cooperative federalism.
	That's what we need to do.
	And do you understand one other point fast?
	This is what we need to do in a crisis.
	We have Moisy and then Mr. Pallier.
	The building of those pipelines will take...
	At least, at least 10 to 14 years, Mr. Trump will be 90 years old, not president, no more.
	And somebody, of course, less terrible will be there before you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline of yours.
	We're less than a minute to go, Mr. Polyev, I promised you next.
	After the last 10 years of liberals blocking pipelines, Sounds wild when you say that.
	We actually need to get things done.
	We need to change.
	Can the moderator tell me to shut his mouth?
	We'll repeal the no new pipelines law.
	It will create a stop shop.
	Set up shovel ready zones with pre-permitting so that we can approve LNG liquefaction export plants, mines, pipelines.
	Nuclear plants.
	And also hydroelectric dams so that we can generate the power we need to be strong, self-reliant, and stand on our own two feet for change.
	Last quick word to Mr. Carney.
	Okay, quick word.
	Bringing it back to what we're talking about, which is tariffs, the threats to Canada, how to negotiate.
	We need these options.
	We need these options to build domestically, to build one Canadian economy.
	We need to act.
	We need to diversify our trade partners.
	And that is our time in this segment.
	That is our time.
	Okay, you know my job tonight.
	I've got to be the heavy guy here every now and then, making sure everybody comes to time.
	And I'm keeping an eye as well on making sure that everybody gets rough justice over here.
	That concludes our first section and our first debate.
	Up next, affordability and the cost of living.
	By the way, apparently they've...
	Our goal is to double the pace of housing construction.
	We'll lower your bills and build homes you can actually afford.
	A big, powerful bring-it-home tax cut on work, investment, energy, and home building.
	Okay, leaders, same idea.
	One-on-one questions followed by open debate format.
	And Mr. Polyev, you get the first question this time.
	Many provinces, including some provinces with conservative governments, have ambitious housing targets, none of which have been met.
	Why do you think your housing plan will be any different?
	Let me start by talking to the young people of the nation and those who are aspiring to homeownership.
	You know, it was only 10 years ago.
	You could buy an average house for $450,000.
	In the last lost liberal decade, housing costs have doubled, rising faster than in any country in the G7.
	And so now our youth cannot afford a home and our seniors are worried about being evicted.
	We can't afford a fourth liberal term of rising housing costs.
	We need a change.
	And our conservative plan for change will, one, axe the federal sales tax on new homes.
	Two, incentivize municipalities to cut their construction taxes to bring houses down in cost by $100,000.
	Three, sell off federal land for homes.
	And four, train up 350,000 young trades workers who can help build those homes.
	Because you deserve a home and we're going to make it happen for a change.
	Also on the issue of affordability, Mr. Singh, you've got the next question.
	How do you bring down grocery prices in the midst of a trade war?
	I appreciate the question.
	This is a big concern.
	When I talk to Canadians, they tell me, They're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living.
	That's one of the top things that people tell me about.
	People are saying, I can't afford to buy groceries.
	Every time I go to the grocery store, it's just ongoing.
	And he goes by himself.
	He buys his own groceries.
	And this feeling of anxiety that, can I actually afford the things that my family needs?
	On top of that, people are worried about the cost of homes.
	I think those are the two biggest things I hear.
	So we can do things about this.
	Other countries have taken concrete steps.
	We can put in a price cap on food essentials.
	Price has done it.
	Great success.
	It's brought down the cost of food significantly in both those jurisdictions.
	We can also ban corporate landlords from buying up the affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable, affordable.
	We can make things better for Canadians, but it requires having the courage to take on...
	The powerful corporations that are ripping you off, that are price gouging you.
	And we know that price gouging is one of the major reasons why food prices are going up.
	That's absolutely wrong.
	You're a big, stupid idiot.
	Thank you, Mr. Singh.
	Mr. Blanchet, I want to ask you about old age security, which will soon cost this country $100 billion annually.
	We understand you would like to expand it.
	How would you pay for that?
	We would want it to be just for everybody because the Liberals have created the discrimination against elders which are 65 to 75 years old, having 10% less income from federal government than those who are over 75. But the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of tax,
	which means that one should not be entitled to hide money in fiscal paradise in order not to pay him.
	Or is clients or friends not to pay billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to help the situation of elders?
	Those are things which are supposed to be applied to everybody.
	There are a lot of questions to be answered about that.
	Other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure on housing price to make sure that the whole budget of elders and families and workers can afford...
	houses which have increased dramatically.
	That's time for this one.
	Mr. Carney, I want to ask you about housing, which over the past decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while the liberals were in power.
	I've only been president for one month.
	I remind you, this is one of the reasons why I...
	Entered this contest because of the housing crisis.
	The cost of living crisis, the housing crisis, and the Trump crisis to help fix it.
	The housing approach is fundamentally different because we need a fundamentally different approach.
	We need to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen since the end of the Second World War.
	We do need a fundamentally different approach.
	And with the fundamentally different approach, we can build an entirely new industry.
	So the question is how?
	Mr. Polyev and I agree on some things.
	I agree as well on reducing the tax on first-time home purchases as a way to buy.
	But I am focused on increasing the supply of homes and doing that in a way that uses Canadian technology and modular, prefabricated housing, that uses Canadian lumber, including in reinforced timber, and uses Canadian workers.
	And in all respects, we're scaling up.
	To double the rate of home building.
	Thank you, Mr. Carney, that's time.
	We now move to open forum here.
	And Mr. Singh, you get the first comment.
	Many of you have pledged to cut the GST on many aspects of buying a home.
	And Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, would you cut the GST on anything else in order to make life more affordable?
	Absolutely. In fact, I'm the only one on this stage that fought to give people a GST holiday.
	Interestingly, while a GST holiday helps working class folks, middle class folks, by taking off the GST off essentials.
	The Conservatives under Pierre Poirier voted against that.
	They oppose the idea of giving people, actual folks that need help, a tax break and would rather give millionaires a tax break, which shows you whose side he's on, which is not surprising.
	But what is surprising is that Mr. Carney also said that giving people a break on their GST is a bad idea.
	Mr. Carney, why do you think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that earn more than a million dollars is a good idea, but helping a family afford their groceries?
	Helping people afford their bills for their internet, their cell phone, their home heating, giving them relief to take the GST off of those is a bad idea, but giving a tax break to people who really only earn over more than $1.4 million, that's somehow a good idea.
	That's your numbers.
	You went after Mr. Polly at first, so I'm going to give him the first shot to respond.
	Well, Mr. Carney, the reality is that housing costs doubled under the Liberal government.
	Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you are now repeating today.
	He promised that he would double homebuilding.
	In fact, homebuilding went down.
	He promised that he'd reduce the cost.
	In fact, it went up.
	And here we are.
	Mark Carney is asking for a fourth liberal term, repeating the exact same liberal promises that priced you out of a house.
	Just a few weeks ago, before the election, the Liberals voted against taking the GST off new homes, and they have continued to build up bureaucracies that block construction.
	We need a change so that you can afford a home, and our change will be, again, to axe the sales tax on new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits.
	Free up land and cut development costs.
	Train up 350,000 young people who can be in the trades to build those homes and sell off the land that is going to be needed in order to build homes.
	That is a real plan, a real plan for you to own a home and afford your life for a change.
	Mr. Carney, they're coming at you from both sides.
	What do you say?
	Okay. I know it may be difficult, Mr. Polyev.
	You spent years running against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax, and neither.
	They're both gone.
	Okay, they're both gone.
	You're doing a pretty good impersonation of him with the same policies tonight.
	Look, I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau.
	Focus is on results.
	Were you his economic advisor?
	And so how to drive results in the housing market.
	Ask it again, Pierre.
	I don't think he heard you.
	You've got to change the model of building.
	You've got to increase the financing for housing developers.
	$25 billion on the table for those housing developers.
	$10 billion for deeply affordable homes.
	Cutting development charges in half, lowering the cost of the building of those homes by 20%, and lowering the emissions and the run costs of those homes by another 20%.
	This is how you drive affordability.
	This is how you bring young people back into the houses.
	You claim to be very different from Mr. Trudeau.
	Now, the point is to show that you are any better than Mr. Trudeau.
	You claim to have a lot of experience in many things, and you know things.
	Last time we had somebody saying that they knew things, it was the senators, and they killed the law that protected supply management because they knew better than us and were elected by nobody, exactly like you are today.
	You say that you are a great crisis manager.
	Which one?
	I heard of nothing.
	Even if you were against it.
	You say you are a great negotiator.
	What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Cayman Islands?
	You have to prove something and you have to reveal what you own in those companies if you want people to believe you.
	Mr. Singh, you wanted everything.
	Yes, returning to the topic of housing.
	Now, it's very important.
	Obviously, we need to build homes that people can afford.
	Mr. Poliev had the opportunity to show us what he could do.
	He was the Minister of Housing under Stephen Harper.
	And during that time, guess how many homes he built?
	He built six homes during that entire time.
	This is not something you can trust to build homes.
	He built six homes.
	And this has been confirmed again and again.
	He built six homes.
	That's it.
	Now, the problem, though, with Mr. Carney as well, he's laid out a plan.
	The problem is that when he was the chair of Brookfield Investments, this is a company that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes in cities like Toronto.
	Where people were paying a decent rent.
	And they purposely bought those homes, kicked out the tenants, and jacked up the rents.
	That is not someone you can trust, sadly, to deal with a housing crisis when Mr. Carney profited off of it.
	We're going to get responses here, Mr. Paglia first, Mr. Carney second.
	First of all, Mr. Singh, the Toronto Star debunked your falsehoods on that.
	And I appreciate neither Liberals or NDP are very good with math, but in that year, the year I was minister, we had 200,000 homes built, and guess what the average price of a home was at the time?
	$450,000.
	And one bedroom was rented out for nine...
	And since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under the Liberals.
	And now we have Mr. Carney making...
	Tens of billions of dollars of spending promises that will ultimately continue to build bureaucracy.
	We don't need more bureaucracy in Ottawa.
	We tried that for 10 liberal years, Mr. Carney.
	What we need is to build homes in communities.
	And that means taxing taxes on home building and getting the government out of the way so that builders can actually build.
	Mr. Carney, you are on housing.
	We need a change.
	And you, sir, are not a change.
	Mark Carney.
	I'm going to pick up on, I thought that answer was quite revealing.
	The first thing is that it's an attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing, deeply affordable housing, issues with vulnerable people, ignores the rental market, ignores all other aspects of it.
	So the sixth.
	Mr. Singh is absolutely right.
	The six are the relevant...
	200,000.
	The 200,000 are a different part of the housing market.
	There are many Canadians.
	There are many Canadians at different income levels.
	The second thing it reveals is a misunderstanding or...
	well, a misunderstanding, I'll be polite, of
	the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment.
	And that is what we need to do to solve the housing crisis.
	It
	Mr. Blanchet?
	Yeah. You have spoken much more than I have, so I won't ask a question.
	I will make a statement instead.
	I'm not saying, no, I'm not saying that you cannot do what you pretend that you are able to do.
	We just have no proof so far.
	I'm saying quite clearly.
	That you cannot be entitled to do it alone.
	You cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two hands.
	You cannot go out there and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people.
	You cannot go out there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy.
	So, if you want to collaborate...
	Let's say right now that whatever happens, even if minority government happens, you will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity which you have been not interested in for the economic part and not respectful for the identity part.
	Let me get Mr. Singh in at this point.
	Can you tell us what's the first thing you would do to make life more affordable for Canadians?
	There's a lot of things that we can do.
	Medical assistance and diet people.
	Fundamentally, I'm the only person on stage that not only fought for real relief for people in terms of affordability, I'm the only one that fought for pharmacare that actually makes life more affordable at giving people medication coverage.
	Dental care that gives people more affordability by letting them access their services.
	If you're a senior and a kid, I fought for childcare to make sure people could afford childcare.
	All measures that Mr. Polyev voted against.
	All measures that Mr. Blanchet voted against.
	So if you want someone that's going to fight for you in Ottawa to actually make life more affordable.
	You can't entrust all the power to Mr. Carney.
	He doesn't have a track record of making life more affordable for people, but we do.
	So vote for a new Democrat, and we'll continue this work to make life more affordable for you.
	While the conservatives and the bloc have voted against those measures to make life affordable, because that's not who they care about, you Democrats are in it for you.
	The number one expense for families today is taxes.
	More than they spend on food, clothing, and shelter combined.
	This after 10 years.
	We can't afford a fourth term of high liberal taxes.
	That's why conservatives have a plan for change.
	And that plan includes cutting income taxes by 15% for the average worker and senior, saving a working couple up to $2,000, rewarding hard work again.
	Because hard work is actually being punished.
	Is actually being punished because of the very high taxes.
	Now, the Liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them.
	They actually raised taxes on 9 out of 10 Canadians.
	We need a change in this country because your hard work should once again pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable home on a safe street.
	And that's what we will deliver.
	You want to save people $2,000 but cut their dental care, which is $1,000.
	Cut their child care, which is $1,000.
	Cut pharma care coverage, which is thousands of dollars.
	That's not a very good math deal right there.
	You're going to save people $2,000, but cost them tens of thousands of dollars.
	That's why you cannot afford conservatives, and you certainly can't trust the liberals on their own.
	You need new Democrats.
	I'm going to reinforce that point, and then I'll respond to Mr. Blanchet.
	Child care in this country, $3,000 to $10,000 a year for a family, depending on where you live.
	Depending on where you live, that's what's being saved there.
	$800 per trip to the dentist.
	We have expanded dental care to 8 million Canadians.
	8 million Canadians.
	Pharmacare. These are fundamental issues for affordability.
	We're talking about affordability.
	And taking them off in order to tax Quebec.
	That's not what I've said.
	In terms of working with Quebec.
	For Canadians.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Throughout the short time I've been Prime Minister.
	Working directly with the Premier of Quebec, our Minister of Foreign Affairs, our Minister of Finance are from Quebec.
	Quebec and Quebec issues, whether it's to answer Mr. Legault's letter.
	He asked five things in the letter.
	He reduced his expectations.
	We're talking about...
	And you did not even answer him.
	And tonight, you are so much in love with Quebec.
	Steve, the question that Canadians have to ask.
	Mr. Singh, sorry, he has the floor.
	The question you have to ask is, after a decade of liberal promises, can you afford food?
	Is your housing more affordable than it used to be?
	What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago?
	And are you prepared to elect the same liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers?
	All over again for a fourth term.
	Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.
	How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal government?
	I have five seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.
	I do my own talking points.
	Thank you very much.
	The biggest risk we have to affordability...
	The biggest risk we have to this economy is Donald Trump.
	So first and foremost, we've got to get that right.
	Secondly, we need to do it in a way that brings everyone along together.
	That means preserving pharma care, dental care, child care, reinforcing health care, spending our whole social...
	Intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, intrusion in Quebec jurisdiction over and again.
	I like if you were any better.
	Then we are.
	The clock is on zero.
	Is there one thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do?
	You are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money, pretending you are better.
	And most of the time, you try to copy what we did with our own money against us.
	What's that as a policy?
	Don't you have your own things to care about?
	Gentlemen, that really is time for this segment.
	I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish their points.
	But I'm far behind, so I took the liberty.
	Thank you.
	Okay, that ends Section 2. Up next, public safety and security.
	Fight crime to protect Canadians and to build communities that are safe, secure and strong.
	Keep crime, drugs, stolen cars and other illegal substances out of our country.
	We're going to invest in our borders and that means hiring more border officers.
	Resources. Okay, same format.
	One-on-one questions and then open debate.
	Monsieur Blanchet, you get to go first in this one.
	Public safety and security.
	For a lot of people, that means the fentanyl crisis.
	I'd like to know what you could contribute to ending that crisis in this country.
	The fentanyl crisis is a very serious issue, which is a bit less important in Quebec than it is in British Columbia.
	I think the whole border thing is a real issue.
	Immigration is a very important issue for Quebecers.
	Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.
	Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion.
	The rules are not respected.
	The rules are unclear.
	Some rules even invite people to hide for two weeks illegally before...
	Coming out, some things have to be done.
	The situation of one person asking for asylum may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human way.
	The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec from this.
	Specific type of immigration than we can afford, and we cannot teach them French.
	That's time, Monsieur Blanchet.
	We can, of course, return to the immigration issue during open debate, should you choose to.
	Mr. Carney, question for you.
	The liberal gun buyback policy, not considered a success by many people.
	Reviving it is in your platform.
	Why would it work this time?
	Yeah, I think, well, what we've seen with that policy is some success at the commercial level, but not at the individual level, because it hasn't been, in my opinion, it hasn't been organized properly, and it needs to be organized properly.
	And I've instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety in order to do that.
	So part of this is a different focus of government, a focus on results, a focus on clear milestones in the short term.
	Let me make a broader point, though, on Gunn.
	Which is that we have a problem with guns coming over our borders, which is why we've tightened our borders.
	We have an issue, though, with a gun industry that is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles, mass killing machines.
	We've banned over 2,000 of these.
	Every single time there has been a vote in the House of Commons on gun control, Mr. Polyev has voted against it.
	You can't be tough on crime unless you're tough on guns.
	Polly, you can come back on that in the open debate if you want to, but my question for you in this segment is, Indigenous people are statistically overrepresented in our corrections system.
	Are you concerned that your tough-on-crime platform will make that worse?
	I'm concerned that Indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime.
	I give you the example of a wonderful group of Indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan, and many of them were murdered.
	Killer was out of jail after 60 prior convictions.
	This is the result of 10 years of liberal laws that allow the same offenders to be released dozens and dozens of times, even when it's known they are a danger.
	We can't risk a fourth liberal term of soft on crime policies.
	We need a change.
	And the Conservative plan for change.
	We'll bring in a three-strikes-you're-out law, three convictions for serious crimes.
	You go to jail for at least 10 years, maybe for life, no chance of parole or bail.
	We will bring in life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl, human beings, and guns.
	And we will secure our borders to keep the illegal guns.
	Thank you, Mr. Palliev.
	That's time.
	Mr. Singh, your question is about the RCMP.
	Because you've got RCMP reform in your platform, what, in your view, is the problem with the RCMP?
	Some of the basis for this is the concern that's been raised in more rural communities, in northern communities, that there have been some serious concerns about violence or inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution of their duties.
	We want to make sure that we've got a top-tier police force that provides security and safety to those communities in a way that's sensitive and understanding of the communities they're serving.
	I also think what's very important is for Indigenous communities, Indigenous policing.
	This is an area of deep concern.
	I think everyone in our country should be safe.
	You should be able to be safe at home, safe when you go to work, safe if you take public transit, safe for your kids to be able to play in the local playground.
	And that's something I'm committed to.
	And the other area that I'm focused on when it comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime before it happens.
	And that's why we want to see increased investments in our border security.
	We saw under the Conservatives, they cut 1,100 border officers in one day.
	So that prevented our ability to keep our borders safe.
	That stops those materials from coming into the country.
	Okay, Mr. Singh, that's time.
	Not sure it was about the RCMP, but maybe we can get back to that during the open debate segment, which we go to right now.
	And Mr. Polyev, you get the first word on this one.
	And it sort of dovetails on the last answer you gave, which is, you have pledged to be the first prime minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause, setting aside charter rights of, as you call them, multiple murderers.
	Why do you think that's necessary?
	To be clear, I want to uphold the Charter Rights of Canadians under Section 7 to life, liberty, and security of the person.
	Right now, that right is violated by multiple murderers who are given discounts.
	The case in question was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot dead six innocent worshippers.
	He got, according to this ruling, only one 25-year sentence, meaning he can be out in his 50s.
	He only serves four years for every murder that he carried out.
	That is outrageous.
	And I will use the constitutional powers that are created for this purpose to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum security penitentiary for life.
	They will only come out in a box.
	We will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat offenders from getting out.
	If you commit three offenses under the three strikes law I propose, you will not be allowed out of jail.
	Until you prove that you are drug free.
	That you have behaved perfectly and that you've learned an employable skill and you've served a 10-year sentence.
	We cannot allow liberal crime and chaos to go on terrorizing our communities.
	What we need is a real plan for change so that we can bring back the safety and the security that Canadians used to take for granted.
	Let me get Mr. Carney to respond to that.
	You think that's an appropriate use of the notwithstanding clause of the Charter?
	I think that one of the core responsibilities of the federal government, Prime Minister...
	Is to defend the fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians.
	And those fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians are outlined in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is 43 years old literally today.
	I think it's a very dangerous slope to override judgments of the Supreme Court of Canada.
	In fact, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms exists to protect Canadians.
	From people like us on the stage.
	Politicians who may use their power to override fundamental rights.
	And the issue in using by the federal government, I'll stop here, is not where you start.
	Where will you stop?
	I should get Mr. Polyev on that.
	Is it a slippery slope if you use it in this case?
	I must say, I would be quite interested too, because Mr. Carney said that he didn't want us to use the notwithstanding clause before adopting a law.
	And yesterday he said that he felt that it was wrong to use the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted.
	So if we cannot use it before and we cannot use it after, it means that Mr. Calme believes that we should never use it.
	But it is very important.
	And the Ford case made it clear.
	The Constitution says how it should be used, but never how or what we will do with it because it's the prerogative of the provinces.
	So do you want the Supreme Court?
	To overrule another judgment of the same Supreme Court because you don't like it, because that would be being the hell of a politician as you define them.
	Well, let me just start by saying, first of all, yeah, thank you.
	I just started by saying, let's not let Mr. Paul Yev get away with making this ludicrous claim that anyone on this stage thinks that violent crime should get a less severe penalty.
	Obviously, that is not a special position.
	Did he say that?
	Everyone agrees.
	That horrible crimes should have horrible sentences.
	Judges are equipped to do that, so don't let Mr. Polyev's rhetoric confuse people.
	Obviously, everyone agrees that if someone does something horrible, they should pay a horrible price for it.
	There should be a proper sentence that's put in place by a judge.
	But what I'm concerned about is, all of what Mr. Polyev's talking about is after the fact.
	Now, there's heinous things that happen, and there needs to be severe penalties put in place.
	But we also need to keep communities safe.
	And that's what my focus is.
	Well, how do we stop crime before it happens?
	Much of the violent crime that's committed is committed by illegal handguns and firearms that come across the border.
	Now, Mr. Polyev has admitted that as well, that it is illegal handguns and illegal weapons that are used in violent crime.
	So our plan is let's stop those illegal weapons getting into our country in the first place.
	And the way we do that is by having stronger border security officers and having more people on the border.
	Pierre Polyev, when he was in power in the Conservatives, they cut the number of border officers.
	They reduced the number, beaconing our borders.
	We can't trust them to do these type of things.
	Let's get back to Mr. Polyev on the issue of whether, in using the Notwithstanding Clause under these circumstances, would be a kind of a slippery slope and encourage politicians to use it more.
	No, we will use it to protect the charter rights of law-abiding Canadians.
	I'm interested in the rights of victims.
	Mr. Carney seems to be very interested in the rights of criminals.
	He says that it's dangerous for me to ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life.
	You know what's dangerous?
	Turning them loose on our streets.
	I don't think you appreciate, sir, the chaos that is unfolding.
	In Toronto right now, the police have been forced to tell people...
	To just let people, let the thief steal the car.
	When they break into the house, just take the keys.
	Just let them take the keys so that you don't get hurt.
	People are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch-and-release bail law, C-75, which requires judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous conditions.
	You're every single member of your Liberal caucus and your Liberal cabinet.
	Mr. Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security.
	That is the right that I'm fighting for, for a change.
	I'm fighting for that as well.
	And let me be specific about two things that have been raised.
	The first is with respect to these issues of car theft.
	Home invasion, and I'll use the GTA area where there has been Sarp increase.
	How do you attack that?
	You attack it several ways.
	How do you attack it?
	How did it happen?
	You increase the criminal penalties for that happening.
	How did it happen?
	Particularly if you're part of a gang.
	Particularly if you use a firearm.
	And you will do that?
	And we're doing so.
	We've committed to doing so.
	You put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk.
	Which we've also committed to.
	And then you go to what Mr. Singh was talking about, which is we have to reinforce our frontiers.
	That's why we're committing to an extra thousand Canada Border Service agents, an extra thousand RCMPs.
	That's why as part of the broader fentanyl initiative, where we've added to the RCMP there, we've added drones, we're adding helicopters, we're adding surveillance, and we're going...
	to the other end of the chain with respect to car theft, which is tightening security at the point
	Thank you very much.
	I want to talk about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of the public safety concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities.
	We're seeing so many lives being lost.
	Some of the solutions like mental health services and rehabilitation services.
	Services keep our communities safe, having access to those good services.
	Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Polyev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services.
	That's not going to make our communities safer.
	We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services, more investments in mental health.
	We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.
	I met with Mom Stop the Harm, an organization...
	Of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis.
	They've literally had their children have died because of this.
	And they say, they're saying, we need to do everything possible to save lives, to stop this death from happening.
	And I think we need to listen to those moms.
	And that's my commitment.
	Monsieur Blanchet.
	Two things as rapidly as possible.
	First, we believe that we should act on crime gangs and organizations defining them.
	As we do for terrorist organization, we have to protect our kids from the violence of those gangs, from the drugs being sold by those gangs, from the guns and whatever else being sold.
	I mean, sale being by those gangs.
	Sold? Not sold.
	You purchase a thing.
	Selling. Sold.
	Sold. Sold by those gangs.
	And we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited by those gangs.
	Becoming violent at 13 and 14 and 16 years old.
	Because this is the real fear of parents like I am.
	This is a very dangerous situation.
	I want to come back to immigration because we said that we would come back to immigration.
	Do you remember the Sentry Initiative?
	A sad memory.
	Officially... They said that they had not considered Quebec difference.
	They had not considered Quebec language.
	They wanted Canada to be a 100 million people country by the end of the century.
	Mr. Barton told myself, told me himself, that he had not even thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis.
	And one of his closest collaborators is now a close councillor to Mr. Carney, which seems to be part of that kind of...
	Project or ideology.
	So it is impossible for Canada to have all those people coming to Canada.
	It is impossible for Quebec to receive all those people.
	And in Quebec, we have the language and values and secularity of the state issue, which is very important.
	So I say, pause, pause, pause.
	Let's do things properly.
	Let's receive migrants in an orderly fashion and successfully as a measure of respect for them also.
	Mr. Polia, if you wanted a word.
	I speak to families all the time who are terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns.
	And we know those guns are not Grandpa Joe's hunting rifle.
	So when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles, they're really going after the wrong people.
	90% of guns that are used in crime are smuggled illegally over the porous, liberal-run borders.
	And that's why the police, it's not true.
	You literally cut the border officers in the facts.
	The police in Barrie, in Peel, in Sault Ste.
	Marie have all endorsed me because they know that I will go after the gun smugglers and criminals with 2,000 extra front-line border guards that will stop the guns from coming in.
	But unlike the Liberals and NDP, I will not ban hunting rifles.
	The Liberals want to protect Canadians from criminals.
	The Liberals want to protect turkeys from hunters.
	I think we know which one makes them.
	This segment's out.
	Cut off his flipping mic already.
	Jagmeet is an idiot.
	We absolutely fully support hunting rights of hunters and indigenous Canadians.
	But I want to raise an issue which is a serious issue about safety.
	There are people, we're in Montreal, in Toronto, across this country, who fear going to their synagogue, fear going to their community center, fear taking their children, leaving their children's school.
	And this has to stop.
	It's totally unacceptable.
	So what we're proposing is to make it a criminal offense to threaten or to impede anyone from being near or going to their place of worship, their school, their community center.
	It pains me that we have to do it because this is not what we should be doing as Canadians, of course, but we will put that in place.
	Let me get 10 seconds from each of you before this segment's out on what you perceive to be the biggest security threat to Canada right now.
	10 seconds each, Mr. Polyev.
	The physical security threat to our country is the rampant crime wave that is running out of control.
	After the last decade, we had a 116% increase in gun crime.
	We need to lock up the criminals.
	I've got to hold you to 10 seconds.
	Mr. Carney?
	Well, we're in a security section.
	I think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally.
	I think the biggest security threat to Canada is China.
	China, you say?
	Mr. Singh?
	Biggest security threat, illegal guns and drugs coming across the border, and cuts to services that would make our public safety and security even worse.
	Last word to Mr. Blanchet.
	The fact that neither Quebec or Canada is able to protect itself and that we are still dependent and entirely dependent on Americans to protect us.
	Okay, that is the end of that section, gentlemen.
	Up next, energy and climate.
	Improving pipelines, getting things built, unleashing production.
	We are unlocking major infrastructure projects, including in conventional energy, oil and gas.
	We're speaking thousands of dollars a year for each family.
	To pay for the damages of climate change.
	We can absolutely build important projects like an East-West energy grid.
	Energy and climate change.
	I know how much all of you love talking about pipelines, so here we go.
	Mr. Singh, to you first.
	Should Canada build new pipelines to get our oil and gas to market?
	Well, it's not an approach I favor with public money.
	There's not any projects that are on the table, so it's not a specific project to look at.
	I favor, when it comes to the environment, building an east-west energy grid that connects low-cost energy and allows for families to reduce their electricity costs.
	But let's put this all in context.
	Put it in context.
	We're talking about what our energy solutions are in the context of a climate crisis.
	And we're not just talking about a climate crisis in the far future.
	We're living it right now.
	I remember I met a mom a couple years ago, before I had kids, who told me she was worried about taking her kids out on some days because of the forest fires in BC.
	It meant that it was unsafe for kids to go outdoors.
	Fast forward to when I became a parent just a couple years after that, and I literally worry about the same thing.
	The forest fires we saw a couple years ago.
	It meant that many places that didn't see this before saw days where there was such smoke in the air that it was dangerous for kids.
	We've seen extreme weather, forest fires, heat domes, floods impacting us.
	We've got to do everything we can to protect our future.
	Thank you, Mr. Sinn.
	That's time.
	Mr. Poliev, where does fighting climate change land on your list of priorities when it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country?
	It lands within our priorities of...
	I want to bring them home.
	My plan will be...
	To approve, for example, natural gas liquefaction and export, if we sent our gas to India, for example, to displace half of their demand for electricity, we could reduce emissions by 2.5 billion tons,
	which is three times the total emissions of Canada.
	That's the way we bring emissions down and jobs up.
	It's common sense.
	And now it's time to bring it home.
	Thank you, Mr. Poliev.
	The next question is for Mr. Carney.
	How would your government fast-track pipelines and mining projects while also following the Supreme Court decision that requires consent of indigenous communities?
	Well, I think the first thing, and this goes back a bit to where we started, which is recognizing that we are in a crisis.
	We need to act with maximum force.
	And having a process and a consultation, but...
	A consultation with a purpose, which is to identify those projects, those investments of national interest that are really going to move the dial in terms of growth, jobs, energy security, well-being consistent with long-term competitiveness,
	which necessarily means lower carbon.
	And so part of that process is ensuring that First Nations, Indigenous peoples, are there from the start.
	It also includes their ability to participate fully in those projects.
	And that's why, and I know you, I can tell, you've got to tell on when I've gone on too long, so I'll finish up.
	Which is, that's why we doubled our proposals to double the indigenous loan guarantee program to $10 billion.
	What does that actually mean?
	It means an ability for them to invest equity
	Thank you, Mr. Carney, that's time.
	Thank you.
	My tell is my clock and my clock is at zero.
	So that's how it goes.
	Monsieur Blanchet, do you still oppose pipeline construction in Quebec, even though a majority of Quebecers
	Now apparently say they support it.
	We will know about that when we have held the debate about that, which has not begun yet.
	We are just bigotting it.
	First, we are hearing very creative numbers and we are being fed nonsense.
	And we will be back to it in a few minutes.
	But energy trade commerce is from south to north or north.
	And it's true in Quebec also.
	In a little more than three years, Donald Trump won't be in office.
	And there will be not one more pipeline having been built once we get there.
	So let's be serious, responsible, and we will be back with the numbers.
	We don't want to pay in Quebec for such monstrosities, which will provide us with...
	Nothing. We now move to open debate and you all will get a chance or have had a chance to get the first shot at this.
	Monsieur Blanchet, it is your turn to get the first shot.
	Canada has a substantial supply of critical minerals which are in high demand.
	Are you in favor of allowing these minerals to be mined?
	Of course.
	It has to be done properly.
	Quebec has probably the most important clean phosphate reserves in North America.
	In Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, it is very important.
	It has to be exploited.
	This is the best way to use Paul Saguenay as an infrastructure that we need.
	We have lithium.
	Everybody needs lithium.
	Transportation has to be taken from oil to clean energy.
	This is what we want to be working on.
	It is part of the specifics of Quebec economy.
	So we are in favor of that.
	We don't want to pay for the 30 billions of dollars which have been spent on oil and gas by the Liberals last year.
	It's 7 billions of dollars from Quebec.
	We don't want to pay for the 40 billions of dollars which have been spent by the Liberals on Trans Mountain.
	It's 9 billions of dollars from Quebec.
	Those are 16 billions of dollars of which not one dollar has been spent in Quebec to develop a lot more power.
	We need to let the leader of the Liberals respond.
	Well, actually, I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity that exists in Quebec, exists in Ontario, exists in the north of Canada, really exists across this great nation in terms of critical metals and minerals.
	We have one of the biggest resources in this country.
	And this is not just enormous economic opportunity.
	It is a strategic opportunity for Canada.
	So we have to make a decision, not just to develop it, but how do we develop it and who are our partners for it?
	Do we become more dependent on the United States, which is what they want?
	By the way, President Trump this week said he might put a tax on critical metals and minerals.
	Just showing again, if I may.
	The job is to negotiate.
	Let's let him finish.
	Let me finish.
	So the opportunity includes in Europe and includes in Asia as our partners.
	Last point.
	In order to get it done, we'll put in place a first and last mile fund so these projects are connected to road and rail so they can go quickly to market.
	And we will have all of the other fast-tracking measures in place that I talked about earlier in terms of capital, timing, approvals, so that we can move quickly, we can be stronger at home.
	We should absolutely take advantage of the fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our country.
	And the way we do that is, with any energy project or any project of this nature, make sure it's got the local community buy-in, it creates good jobs in communities, make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs, and we work with Indigenous partnership.
	And so I absolutely agree with that.
	I want to build on something Mr. Blanchet mentioned about the investments that this country has made.
	What I found very troubling is that the past number of years, the Liberal government record...
	is one where we have spent the most subsidies compared to any other country in the G7 on subsidizing oil and gas.
	These are highly profitable companies.
	You voted for it.
	I think that's the wrong thing to do.
	We fought against it again and again.
	No, you voted for it.
	And then the liberals have continued to do it.
	And so my question, really, to Mr. Carney is, will you commit to ending oil and gas subsidies?
	We should be using that to invest in people, not giving it to highly profitable oil and gas companies.
	I promise, Mr. Paul, you have the next...
	We'll come back and get that question answered.
	Mr. Baleev.
	Well, Mr. Carney, you point out that Donald Trump has a wrong-headed idea of putting a tax on our mines and our industry.
	And that is wrong.
	But so do you.
	You want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminum plants, Canadian oil and gas, and your idea.
	is to double the tax that Trump is applying by hitting them a second time.
	This will do nothing for the environment.
	Mr. Collier's plan is let them include as much as they want.
	Once my plan is to bring that production home here to Canada.
	For example, I will give a tax credit to low emitting Canadian industry like Quebec's aluminum, for example, or British Columbia's natural gas so that we not only bring home the production.
	But we do it below global average levels of emissions so that we actually help the environment while bringing home the jobs for our people at the same time.
	That is a sensible, pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our economic destiny so we can stand up to the Americans from a position of strength for a change.
	I want to give you a chance to speak to Mr. Singh's criticism about oil and gas subsidies and Mr. Poliev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax.
	Okay, I'm going to make three points.
	I'll make four if you want me to respond to that, but I want to make three.
	The first is that...
	I answered this question last night, but I think the puck had already dropped in the Canadians game, so not everyone heard it.
	Yes, and oil and gas subsidies.
	That's why you need new Democrats.
	Secondly, I would have done it independently.
	Secondly, recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building Keystone.
	Keystone, which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil exports by 50% in this country.
	That is an asset of the people of Canada.
	We own it.
	And the question of what to do it.
	So it's not a subsidy that has disappeared.
	It's actually an asset of Canada.
	The third point, though, in terms of where the oil and gas industry, particularly the oil industry, wants to and needs to go, which is to become low carbon, low carbon in the production and transportation of oil.
	One of the big projects we need to move forward with is carbon capture and storage, the Pathways Project, so that we have oil and gas that is competitive, not just today.
	10 years from now and 20 years from now, as the world uses less, we want to have more market share.
	We need to do that.
	My government will move that.
	But by definition, a subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline.
	I'm talking about subsidies that go to oil and gas companies.
	Independent, separate from the country, oil and gas companies.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	The figure you quoted last night included the cost of the pipeline.
	Do you want to address this point?
	We've got to stop spending.
	Sorry, can we get you to address his point about the industrial carbon tax?
	How much will the industrial carbon tax add to the price of a car?
	So the first thing I want to say is we have, I'm going to address the broader point.
	Well, the broader point is the entire absence of a climate plan from Mr. Paglia, which, by the way, is going to put our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking for new trading partners.
	Guess what?
	Most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia.
	Those countries care about whether or not you've made a product.
	Hold on.
	China's the biggest threat, but they want to deepen...
	We're designing a program so that the big polluters pay Canadians at home for making responsible climate choices, for retrofitting their home, getting their emissions down, or improving otherwise.
	And that is smart climate policy.
	It's better for the big polluters and it's better for Canadians.
	Chair Polian.
	Mr. Carney didn't answer my question.
	I asked how much would the industrial carbon tax on Canadian steel add to the price of a car?
	He won't answer because he knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars.
	Now, well, Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the carbon casket.
	You don't know the answer either.
	He's throwing out random questions.
	Thousands of dollars.
	He's making it up.
	When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price of everything that uses steel.
	When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer, you increase the price of food.
	So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election, he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.
	After a lost liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.
	We need a new government that will fully axe the carbon tax, increase the jobs that we have here in Canada.
	We've got just a little over three minutes left in this segment.
	So, Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians?
	You're out there.
	What are you hearing?
	Absolutely. You speak to any young person and they think, you know, we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.
	You speak to seniors who say, you know, we used to be able to live in our homes without air conditioning and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had worries about extreme weather.
	We're seeing flooding, we're seeing forest fires like never before.
	We're living in a climate crisis.
	So Canadians are absolutely worried about it.
	As soon as we come into a summer, we start seeing those forest fires again.
	It's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it.
	They're seeing it.
	And I want those Canadians to know, Mr. Carney is not going to end those fossil fuel subsidies unless I'm there to fight back.
	Mr. Polyev wants to let big polluters pollute as much as they want, poison our beautiful land, our water and air.
	He wants to let them dump into our oceans.
	I'm going to fight back and defend our environment.
	Mr. Blanchet, on the issue of whether or not people still care about climate change.
	I think people should be kept very...
	Informed about climate change because we are in a very strange denial situation about climate change, which still exists and is very expensive.
	And I'm sorry to crash your party, guys, but you are telling fairy tales.
	Clean oil and gas is a fairy tale.
	Large-scale carbon sequestration is a fairy tale.
	It does not exist.
	Alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas, and if it were not a matter of pollution, I wouldn't mind at all.
	That's their business.
	Our own powerhouse, in terms of energy in Quebec, is clean energy.
	We are the best place in the world to achieve that.
	Our market is the northeastern part, Democrat part, of the United States.
	We want to keep our money to create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers.
	Let us be different because we can afford to be different.
	I will get to you because I said I would, but you've taken a couple of hits here and I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the things that people on this side of the stage have said.
	Thank you.
	Well, first of all, we do support protecting the environment.
	Banning, we want to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our waters.
	We want to hold large corporations to high environmental standards to protect our water and air.
	But we cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas as Mr. Carney is proposing to do.
	That has been the approach of the last 10 years of the Liberal government.
	What the biggest companies that develop our resources say is that we need to repeal the Liberal Anti-Development Law C-69, a law Mr. Carney wants to keep in place.
	They say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax and get rid of the Liberal Energy Cap.
	We need six months approvals in order to take back energy security.
	You know, I was born in Forsmith in the Northwest Territories, just north of what the oil sands became.
	When I was born and when I was growing up in Edmonton, early days, it was a fairy tale, quote unquote.
	But you know what happened?
	Canadian ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments, both the federal government and the Alberta government got together and created.
	The worst pollution in the world.
	If I may.
	May I finish?
	Ten more seconds to finish, please.
	Let him finish his point.
	That's the opportunity we have.
	That's the opportunity we have in carbon capture.
	That's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors.
	That's the opportunity we have in hydrogen beyond.
	This country can be a clean energy superpower.
	My government will help deliver it.
	And that is time for this segment.
	Gentlemen, let us go to our final theme, which is called leading in a crisis.
	Canadians know how to weather a storm.
	Canadians know how to get through a difficult time.
	If, at the end of the day, we end up with the balance of power, Quebec is safer than it could be in any other scenario.
	Now is not a time for weakness.
	Now is the time to take back control.
	Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves.
	Okay, leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme that allows us to explore many different avenues here, so let's get to it.
	Mr. Carney, you get the first question this time.
	We haven't balanced a budget in this country in 17 years, and 10 of those years were under your party.
	You have pledged to get us to a balanced budget in three years.
	Question is, how?
	So, let me put this in the context of leading in a crisis, which is, in a crisis, you've got to plan for the worst.
	Worst is that the U.S. actually does want to take us over.
	Secondly, you've got to have a plan, a plan to build, and I'll include a fiscal plan, and I will get to that in a second.
	The third thing is you need to respond in a crisis with overwhelming force.
	You need to think big.
	You need to move rapidly.
	The things we've been discussing today are a subset of what we can and should do as a nation and we can deliver.
	And government can play a role, but its role has to be catalytic.
	And so our approach is that we will slow the rate of spending.
	Overwhelming force, catalytic.
	Just buzzwords.
	This guy's just saying verbal diarrhea.
	9% a year.
	We'll slow that to 2%.
	We will focus on a small amount of capital spending by the federal government in order to drive enormous private investment up to half a trillion dollars by five years.
	Thank you, Mr. Carney.
	Ukraine surely constitutes a crisis, leading in a time of crisis.
	Mr. Polyev, question for you.
	If the United States withholds support from Ukraine going forward, do you believe Canada should commit more to assist?
	I believe we should continue to support Ukraine.
	Our party supported donating missiles that the Canadian military was decommissioning.
	We supported funds and other armaments to back the Ukrainians in the defense of their sovereignty.
	We also need to rebuild our own Canadian military because the Russians want to make incursions into our waters.
	We'll be buying four massive Arctic icebreakers.
	I'll be opening the first Arctic base since the Cold War in Canada.
	CFB Iqaluit.
	We're going to double the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill the vacancies in our Canadian Armed Forces.
	We need a change to rebuild our military, which has been so disintegrated under the cuts and the mismanagement of the last 10 years.
	But we can have a change because we have the best soldiers, sailors, and airmen in the world, and they will have full backing for my government if you give me the honour of becoming Prime Minister.
	I may come back to that one in the open forum, because I'm not sure we got an answer about Ukraine on that one, but okay.
	Going on.
	Monsieur Blanchet.
	The answer was yes.
	We'll get more details, perhaps, as we go forward.
	Monsieur Blanchet, given the U.S. trade war, should any talk of a referendum on Quebec independence be put on pause?
	That one is easy.
	It will happen only after the negotiation is over, and that's a good thing.
	I want to say, I support the idea, we must help Ukraine.
	But we also must help the civilians of Gaza, and we must destroy Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.
	You know what?
	I don't want to be the leader of Canada.
	You will understand that.
	I don't want to be prime minister.
	But I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner, a collaborative partner.
	If Quebec is respected in its differences, in its aluminum industry, in lumberwood industry, in culture, And French language and values of secularity of the state, which is the price to be paid in order to have real equality.
	Then, if we are respected, we will be a partner.
	And then even Canada will be stronger in its negotiation against Donald Trump.
	This is what I am offering.
	Respect us.
	Mr. Singh, I watched last night's debate.
	You seemed very eager to talk about health care.
	So let's talk a little more health care right now.
	Many promises on healthcare.
	If a province says to you, we'll take your money for healthcare, but not your conditions on how to spend it, what do you do?
	We've got to negotiate.
	We can't be giving away money without clear conditions.
	We're in a healthcare crisis right now.
	A crisis that is hurting people across this country.
	People are waiting desperately in line in emergency rooms for hours and hours.
	Seniors are waiting for...
	Years and years to get the care that they need for surgeries that would remove pain or help them deal with mobility issues.
	We're in a serious crisis.
	Healthcare workers are burnt out.
	They are overstretched.
	And what we're seeing is more and more privatization, and that is hurting our public universal healthcare system.
	So we've got to fight back against it.
	We cannot allow our public money to go to a for-profit private clinic lining the pockets of a rich CEO.
	We're investors instead of going towards care.
	We need to make sure that we are investing in solutions where care gets to people, not profiting those at the very top.
	And so that's my commitment.
	I'm going to fight to make sure we defend our health care against the threats of Americanization and privatization.
	Okay, we now go to open forum debate.
	And perhaps, Mr. Polyev, you get the first word here.
	This might be a good time to put a little more flesh on the bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine if the U.S. backs out.
	Yes, sir.
	My answer is that we should continue to support Ukraine.
	We don't need to follow the Americans in everything they do.
	When they're wrong, then we will stand on our own and with other allies.
	And with respect to Ukraine, that, of course, includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments, but it also includes defunding Putin.
	Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market because, frankly, the liberals blocked.
	I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin,
	defund the war, and turn dollars for dictators.
	Back into paychecks for our people.
	Mr. Carney, you wanted to add?
	Well, I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's very important.
	We've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally and Canadians have stepped up welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and supporting them in other ways.
	You know, in my first month as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine as the U.S. stepped back.
	So led by France, the United Kingdom.
	With Ukraine number, European nations, Australia, ourselves, New Zealand.
	That's an example of how the new world is going to be.
	Canada participating in these areas and helping.
	It also means open trade.
	Mr. Polyev voted against free trade agreement with Ukraine.
	It means aid for Ukraine.
	Mr. Polyev wants to cut foreign aid, including for Ukraine, or not.
	He didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine.
	We have to stand by them.
	We have to be there and this government has been.
	Mr. Singh.
	New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine and will continue to do that.
	But I appreciate the opportunity in talking about leadership in crisis, talk about many of the crises that we're up against.
	And one of the crises we're up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump, with the threat of the trade war, and with the privatization and Americanization of our healthcare system is the healthcare system.
	And what we have learned today, you know, Mr. Carney mentioned slowing operation spending.
	That's a cut.
	He said his plan, he has a plan to balance the operating budget within three years.
	That's going to require massive cuts to spending.
	We calculated that at $43 billion in cuts.
	In fact, Rosemary Barton, when he was on the show on February 16th, he said it would cut spending.
	He said it would be in operations.
	He defined it as transfers in health.
	And finally, long-time Liberal and former House Leader Karina Gould said that Mr. Carney's plans would mean massive cuts.
	That's the only way to achieve it.
	So, Mr. Carney, you think it is leadership to cut healthcare at a time when it is in crisis?
	I think it is wrong.
	We can't do that.
	We will not cut transfers for healthcare.
	We will not cut healthcare spending full stop.
	We'll have a detail, if I may.
	Who do we believe, Mr. Carney, today?
	Or the one he spoke on Rosemary Barton's show on February 16th?
	The one that repeated again that he would cut spending?
	Who do we believe?
	If I may, consistently said, we'll preserve all transfers to the provinces, including the increases.
	We will preserve all the transfers to individuals.
	I won't detail them all, but they're...
	So we're looking at addressing an operational spend, which is about $150 billion.
	We will address that.
	We will make it more efficient, and we will do it in three years, and we will balance that budget.
	I am six minutes behind Mr. Carney, so I will speak a little bit longer.
	First, I will support any initiative which will bring Canada aligned with Europe and NATO in order to be stronger and facing new threats.
	I believe that 2% won't be enough.
	I'm not more in favor of war.
	than anybody else.
	But we have responsibilities and our main ally is removing himself from the stage.
	So we have to step up.
	We have to do our part.
	I want to go somewhere else entirely, however.
	I want to ask Mr. Carney, if we're speaking about leadership here, if Quebec and Canada were to say you are not being given a majority government.
	There will be more conservatives than you would like, maybe more new Democrats than you would like, and more people from the bloc than you would like.
	Will you accept, because you don't seem to be very eager about that, to deal with people which basically are more experienced than you are, as legitimate as you are,
	and would be more representative altogether?
	Then you would be being alone in your little kingdom.
	And I want also to propose to you all, guys, that one week after the election, one week after the election, we all meet, whatever the result, and we start dealing with this crisis together.
	Because this is what people, either they are from Alberta or Quebec or wherever, this is what people expect from us.
	Mr. Kari, is that something you could get behind?
	I look forward to meeting with everyone.
	You're welcome to come, Steve, if you'd like.
	That's not very respectful.
	That's not very respectful.
	I'm coming...
	On peut jaser un peu.
	On peut jaser.
	Shut your face, Carney.
	In a crisis, yes, you need a team.
	And you need to bring the country along with you.
	So, what I did...
	In the first week was to bring the premiers together, meet with all the indigenous leaders, and move forward in that context.
	Now, the question is, who's going to lead out of this?
	Whoever leads out of this, if I may, Mr. Blanchet, whoever's going to lead out of this is going to need to work with all the provinces, work with labor, work with indigenous leaders, work with...
	All Canadians to bring them forward in a united front.
	And I'll make this last point.
	One of the things that has happened, which is a credit to those people at home, is that Canadians are coming together.
	And it's our responsibility to meet the strength of Canadian unity.
	I have one small point to make.
	You will be elected if you are elected in a parliament where there are other leaders.
	I don't know if he called you or Mr. Puedev, I don't know if he called you, but before yesterday, you have not spoken to me once, even if I proposed it so many times.
	But you say, I speak to provinces' leaders.
	You're not elected in provinces.
	You are in a parliament where people are to make decisions, which might not always suit you.
	But this is democracy, which you don't know too much about.
	I'm going to jump in here because I'm noticing what the clock is saying, and you brought up Gaza earlier, and I think our audience would be interested in hearing your views on the other major international crisis.
	I just want to speak to healthcare workers right now who are deeply worried about the status of our healthcare system.
	To Canadians who believe and love our universal public healthcare system.
	To patients.
	We're stressed out.
	If you're worried about which Mr. Carney to believe, the one today or the one who spoke on freebie of shows and said he would cut, vote for New Democrats, and we will fight to defend our health care.
	We will never let anyone cut it.
	I think your supporters would really like to hear what you have to say about this question, and we have less than five minutes for it here.
	What role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world, in the Middle East and the war in Gaza?
	Pierre Polyev, would you start us off on that?
	What role can Canada play?
	Well, first of all, we must condemn Hamas and, more importantly, the terror sponsors in Tehran who initiated the attacks, the horrific attacks of October 7th.
	We need to defeat the terrorists so that all the peoples of the world can live in peace and defend the right of, yes, Palestinians to have...
	their own lives free from the oppression of Hamas, dictators, and Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability to live
	But I also want to say, we need to get back to the Canadian tradition, which is that when people come to this country, they leave foreign conflicts behind.
	The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities is utterly unacceptable, and it points to the growing chaos that we see on our streets after Ten years of incredibly irresponsible liberal policies, of weak borders, of dividing people into groups,
	of saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, dividing and conquering.
	We must end that division and unite our people so that everyone feels safe and that when we come here...
	We put our foreign conflicts behind and we put Canada first.
	People come from countries from around the world and they care deeply about where they come from and they should be able to do so.
	That's a part of being in our country to have that freedom.
	Your treatment of Palestinians has been, frankly, disgusting.
	Your treatment of people who provide care and service for people in Gaza has been disgusting.
	On top of that, people in Israel and in Gaza deserve to live in peace and security.
	And Mr. Carney, to date, do not acknowledge that what's going on in Gaza has now clearly become a genocide.
	It's important to call things out as they are, and you've not done that.
	Mr. Carney.
	We need to work, to go to your question, we need to work with our international partners, maximum pressure, maximum encouragement, for an immediate ceasefire.
	Oh my gosh.
	Encourage the return of all of the hostages.
	The ones that haven't been murdered.
	My government put in place $100 million of...
	Humanitarian raid.
	My government?
	Which is ready to go.
	I thought it wasn't his government.
	With respect to where this ultimately goes.
	Yes, two-state solution, but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian state living side-by-side in peace and security with the state of Israel.
	I will underscore one other thing.
	Mr. Poliev rightly mentioned Iran.
	The Iranian sponsors in this region.
	We have to be clear-eyed.
	about the fundamental risks of Iran and do everything with our international partners to check it and turn it.
	If we are to work together, we will have to be consistent.
	The Jewish community in Quebec and Canada is harassed by a very little minority of radical Islamists.
	A very little minority of 1.6 billion people is quite a big number.
	That somebody may invite people to be violent to propose genocide against another people if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation.
	They are in agreement with that.
	And we say it is a crime to invite people to violence and killing other people.
	And this is what is being done.
	Very often in Canada, in Quebec, with the approval of the Criminal Code of Canada.
	And we are saying this has to be changed.
	We have to change what we do before we want people elsewhere to change what they do.
	Last minute in the segment, Mr. Polyef.
	This is about crises and leadership.
	And one crisis we have is in immigration.
	Because of this Liberal government's commitment to a radical policy...
	It's called the Century Initiative, which seeks to bring our population up to 100 million people.
	They have allowed massive overcrowding in our communities that has caused housing shortages, job shortages, and health care shortages.
	Don't blame immigration for the fault of your government.
	And if I could, I did not interrupt you.
	I do not blame immigrants.
	I blame the liberal government, which brought this policy on.
	And Mr. Carney wants to continue with the Century Initiative.
	This is crazy.
	We have to get back to normal levels of immigration.
	Get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system.
	What are normal levels?
	And ensure that the people who come here arrive in numbers that we can house, employ, and care for.
	That's how it always was, and that's how we're going to restore it.
	Thank you, Mr. Palliev.
	That is our time for this segment.
	Those are our five themes, but we are not done yet.
	We are...
	Entering the next section of our debate tonight, what we're calling the Leader's Choice, something a little bit different.
	Each of you will get the chance to ask a question, any question, of any other leader.
	You can then debate the answer, and each one on one will last for three minutes.
	I like this.
	So, Mr. Singh, you have the first option here.
	Who do you want to ask your question of?
	Mr. Carney, go for it.
	Yes. Okay, fine.
	I like you to judge me.
	Mr. Carney is chair of Brookfield Investments.
	Yes. Her company is one of the biggest tax dodgers in Canada.
	Good. As chair, you approved decisions.
	I love Jagmeet.
	I take back everything I've ever said.
	Horrible homes, kicked out the tenants, and jacked up the rates.
	As prime minister, one of the first things you did was a tax cut that helped out mostly millionaires.
	I'm joking, but I feel hate Jagmeet.
	And you have planned to cut services for people.
	I expect that of Mr. Pierre Polyev and the conservatives.
	That's very much a conservative plan.
	My concern is that doesn't sound like what people want for a liberal leader.
	So my question to you is, Mr. Carney, whose side are you really on?
	China. Thank you.
	Thank you very much for that question, Mr. Singh.
	I'm on the side of Canadians.
	I'm in this for Canadians.
	I work for Canadians.
	He spent a decade in the UK.
	I have a track record of public service for this country.
	Go back to something Mr. Blanchet referenced earlier, which is, have I resolved any crisis?
	We're in Quebec.
	If you ask anyone in the finance industry, if you ask anyone in government in Quebec in 2008, they'll know that I resolved the biggest crisis in Quebec.
	You won't have fun.
	But in fairness, this is for these two.
	Yes, I have had a long career in the private sector.
	I'm proud of that career.
	I've always acted with integrity.
	And it brings me with experience.
	That I can apply in this moment of crisis.
	And you certainly have served the country.
	But the problem is, who have you served?
	You've served to benefit those at the very top.
	You jacked up the price of homes for people living in affordable homes as a strategic decision.
	You dodged taxes.
	And then your decisions as the Prime Minister show you're not...
	Prioritizing people, but you're prioritizing big business and billionaires.
	So what have we done as a government directly?
	We've gone directly to workers using all of our proceeds from the tariffs, committing all of them for workers, the workers' most affected.
	But the employment insurance isn't high enough.
	Unlike others who plan to use them to cut taxes, we are focused on...
	Yeah, it's not high enough, though.
	You have to accept that.
	There will be additional programs.
	I am fully confident that the next government, whatever government is formed, certainly if I'm in the next government, we will make additional programs.
	But you did do that so far, though.
	Well, I can't.
	You could have.
	You couldn't, given there were an election.
	You could have increased the amount, though.
	May I make a core point here, if I may, which is that when you think about workers here today and people watching at home, particularly younger people, there is an enormous opportunity.
	In the trades, in the skilled trades.
	We are going to build this country in a way that has not been seen before.
	We are literally talking about hundreds of thousands, not jobs, but careers in the trades.
	And that's why we're investing in apprenticeships and mid-career.
	But I think people are worried, Mr. Carney, if New Democrats aren't there to force liberals to make sure they remember about people, they will forget.
	Gentlemen, that is time.
	Thank you for that.
	Mr. Blanchet, you have the next question.
	To whom would you like?
	Congratulations. Mr. Carney, you avoided quite...
	I would say, respectfully, the questions of Mr. Singh.
	But first, let me correct something.
	In 2008, not so much by your decision, 10 billions of dollars were given to car industry in Ontario, while 60 millions, not billions of dollars, were lent to Lumberwood.
	Throughout the whole of Canada.
	I don't believe that's the right way to manage a crisis since you did not recoup the money from the car industry.
	Then, you have been the manager of Brookfield.
	It's supposed to be a green investment fund.
	But we now know that 50% of the investments of Brookfield is in fossil fuel.
	I love this guy.
	It's not so green.
	He's so good.
	You seem to want to support oil and gas industry.
	That's interesting.
	You want to support prefab housing and it's also in the investments of Brookfield, but not in Canada.
	You want to support nuclear power, smaller reactors, which are more dangerous, by the way, and Brookfield as investments in Westinghouse.
	You have given the money of Brookfield in Bermuda and Cayman Island.
	Why is Blancet making these points?
	Billions of dollars lost for Canada.
	You are having your taxes being paid by families, workers, elders in Canada and Quebec instead of paying your own taxes.
	So I want to know, will you, before the election, reveal all the details of your assets as Mr...
	As Mr. Singh has done, as Mr. Poirier has done, and as I have done, we have a right to know under those circumstances.
	Let's let him answer.
	Well, the first thing is, I want to say a word about, I'll say a word about Brooklyn.
	You know, this is a Canadian success story.
	It is the largest infrastructure investment in the world.
	It is one of the largest, if not the largest developer of renewable power in the world.
	And it moved to New York.
	And who benefits from that?
	That's Canadian pensioners.
	That's Quebec pensioners.
	That is teachers.
	Firefighters. It is a series of people, including individuals, including individuals on this stage.
	Yeah, him.
	Benefit from that.
	Him. Always acted with integrity.
	Served the shareholders of Brookfield when I was there.
	I have left that.
	I have followed all the rules well in advance.
	I have followed all the rules well in advance.
	Let's reveal your assets like we all did.
	And working for the people of Canada.
	What do you own?
	And that is time, gentlemen.
	Why is Blanchet giving Blanchet a hard time to care for you?
	Mr. Blanchet, we're moving on to Mr. Pugliav now, who has his opportunity to ask the question of whomever he'd like here, and that will be...
	Mr. Carney, but if I could begin by starting, by setting the stage.
	The choice in this election is after...
	Under the liberal's thumb.
	Under the liberal's thumb.
	Advising Justin Trudeau.
	Oh, there you go.
	It's still on the Liberal Party website today that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor.
	They might want to update your website on that.
	Clip it.
	On June 3rd of 2021.
	Look at Carney's face.
	He actually just looked to the side.
	You said that inflation would be a sign of economic progress.
	And you advised governments, including Justin Trudeau's, your liberal government, to print money.
	Which led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation.
	Now, that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges and empty bank accounts, worried how they'd feed their kids, that seniors worried they'd be evicted from their homes, that young people believed they'd never be able to own a home in the first place.
	Now, in retrospect, you look back on the liberal decisions that you advised Justin Trudeau to take.
	Will you look at the camera in the eye?
	And apologize to the many people who suffered as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised Justin Trudeau to implement.
	Yes! I said earlier, but I'm going to say it again.
	This is the moment.
	I know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau.
	Justin Trudeau isn't here.
	Are you denying he was an economic advisor?
	I did not provide any of that advice.
	I did not provide any of that advice.
	It's on the Liberal Party website.
	Are you accusing your Liberal Party of lying about your role?
	It says today, you can go to the Liberal Party website now, and it says that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advice.
	This is the moment of the election.
	The way you judge someone, in my view, is how they act.
	What they do when they have responsibility.
	Holy shit, people.
	This is it.
	And in both cases, if I may, in both cases, when I was responsible for inflation.
	Inflation. I'll add that when I was here responsible for the Bank of Canada, inflation was less than 2%, our dollar was at parity.
	That is the kind of success that I can deliver for this country coming down this crisis.
	And what is at stake here?
	You were the economic advisor to Justin Trudeau that gave us the worst inflation that we have had.
	I'm going to ask myself a question.
	I'm going to go check the markets right now.
	Party just shat his pants.
	It has been troubling me.
	And it's troubling me because we are in a very dangerous and divided world.
	I'm not right.
	I'm not maybe right.
	I am right.
	That was the moment of the election.
	That's going to be snippet.
	I'm going to put it on mute.
	We're in a dangerous and divided world.
	We talked earlier about the challenges in the Middle East.
	The threats from Iran.
	Threats from Russia.
	Russia's aggression in Ukraine.
	We have the threats from China, which I erased.
	We have the United States, which is fundamentally changing its security relationships, its commercial relationships.
	We have all this.
	And in the context of that, everyone on this stage, Mr. Blanchet, Mr. Singh, myself, we have our top secret security clearance.
	We have our top secret security clearance.
	I got mine within three weeks.
	It wasn't hard.
	But I felt it was important that I had it so I could be in a position.
	To be informed about that dangerous world and take decisions out.
	And Mr. Paglia, it is now 950 days, if my numbers are right.
	Oh my gosh, this is the moment, all of this.
	Do you know what he's going to say right now?
	Because Pierre's not stupid.
	I'm going to go sign on with an NDA.
	Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.
	I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.
	But when the government made this recent offer, they said that If I got the secret security clearance briefings, that I would be gagged under the security law.
	And I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.
	Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.
	And that was not something I would be allowed to do.
	Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.
	And it's good that I made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates, sir, actually said that he wanted to send a political opponent to China.
	Under a bounty, threatening his life or imprisonment.
	And you refused to get rid of him.
	Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company.
	But the reality is, you refused to stand up.
	For a Canadian who was being threatened by a foreign government, and I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempted to impose on me.
	Let's let him respond.
	Let him respond, please.
	Add the flame emotions.
	I think people at home have seen a robust debate here, and it's been a robust campaign.
	It has not stopped Mr. Blashek or Mr. Singh at times during his campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues.
	So one can address it.
	I will observe, as someone with the top-secret security clearance, that China is not the only country.
	That is accused of foreign interference.
	Okay, tell us how many other ones are there.
	That's our time.
	Now, closing statements are still a few minutes down the road, so we have a little bit of time for some quick hit Q&As for each of you right now.
	I may have just had a political orgasm.
	45 seconds, please, on the answers, and we're going to go left to right as I look at you right now.
	Mr. Paliyev, you get the first question.
	To the best of my knowledge, you have not offered a hard timeline, as the other parties have.
	To meet Canada's NATO commitment of 2% spending on defense.
	When would you hit that target?
	My aim will be to 2030.
	That said, when we renegotiate our trade deal with the U.S., I know it's their priority to see us increase our military budget.
	One of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff-free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada.
	and reassert our sovereignty.
	And we will use that money to have heavy icebreakers in the north, beside an aircraft, fighter jets, a new base in the north, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies in the armed forces, and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military
	since the birth of our country.
	We will rebuild our forces, and we will stand behind our veterans.
	Thank you, Mr. Polyev.
	Mr. Carney, your question, you have cut both the consumer carbon tax.
	And the capital gains tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor?
	Is that an admission that the Liberals made life less affordable for Canadians?
	I think the...
	Let me give you the rationale behind both of those changes.
	First, with respect to the consumer carbon tax.
	In effect, it'd become too divisive for Canadians.
	Canadians... It became too divisive, meaning nobody liked it, you effing idiot.
	It became divisive.
	It didn't serve its purpose.
	It made a relatively modest contribution to overall climate goals.
	I got rid of it, first act, made Canadians whole.
	Secondly, but with respect to the capital gains taxes, come up again, I'll be quick.
	This is a fundamental issue.
	We need to build this country.
	Builders, innovators, entrepreneurs need to be rewarded.
	That's why I brought it back.
	And that's time.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Singh, would you change the existing cap on immigration?
	I've said that the level of immigration, first of all, we need immigration.
	It's fundamentally important to our country.
	And we speak to any small business owner.
	You speak to people here in Quebec.
	You speak to farmers.
	It's fundamentally important.
	A couple of things, though, we know we need to be able to set.
	We should be very clear that the lack of investment from liberals and conservatives resulted in the fact that we have a shortage in housing.
	That's something that we've got to fix.
	I should also point out that if you are worried about the cuts being proposed by liberals and conservatives, vote for New Democrats.
	We'll fight back to protect.
	Canadians and make sure that we've got the right immigration levels.
	Thank you, Mr. Singh.
	That's time.
	Monsieur Blanchet, Quebec, I believe, is now the only province with a carbon tax.
	Do you think that's fair?
	It's not entirely true.
	It's not a tax.
	What Quebec has is a system by which we invite big emission companies, I don't know how to translate that, to reduce their emissions.
	If they do not, then they have to pay.
	It goes into a fund which is invested, Dan, in reducing emissions.
	Our partner is California, which makes this a huge deal about reducing emissions.
	This is what we do.
	This is to be compared to what Europe does.
	And by the way, Europe would impose tariffs on Canadian oil if it ever got there.
	We're quite proud of that.
	And we have to be responsible because this is much less expensive than doing nothing to fight climate change.
	That's time.
	We're going to do another set of quick hits here.
	Left to right again.
	And 30 seconds this time.
	Monsieur Poliev, you've previously promised to defund the CBC as one of your very first acts as Prime Minister.
	Is that still the plan?
	Yes, CBC will continue to operate as a self-funded, Canadian-owned and controlled non-for-profit that raises money, like other media organizations, through sponsorships, subscriptions, advertising, licensing fees, and countless other things
	that will ensure Canadians who still want to listen and view its content will be able to do so.
	And at the same time, we'll allow freedom of the press so that everybody has their voice heard and they can make their own decisions.
	Thank you, Mr. Carney.
	Next question to you, 30 seconds.
	Would you remove some of Canada's legal tax avoidance loopholes?
	Look, I think that what we need to do is undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate tax system and do that on the basis of the right principles.
	We've got to have fairness, transparency, sustainability, and competitiveness.
	So we need a tax system, a corporate tax system, including Being part of an international minimum corporate tax through the OECD.
	And that is time.
	Mr. Singh, the question for you is, if you hold the balance of power after this election is over, what would your price be to support another party?
	We've laid out our priorities.
	We want to make sure we bring down the cost of groceries, build homes that people can afford.
	I can also tell you that we would defend CBC, unlike Mr. Polyev, who wants to cut it.
	And we would close tax loopholes and offshore tax havens, even though Mr. Carney didn't respond to that.
	And selling stocks and shares to make profits and then having less taxes on that is not hard work.
	And so those aren't the job creators.
	The people who are job creators are the hard-working men and women that contribute to our economy.
	Thank you, Mr. Singh.
	Mr. Blanchet, kind of the same question.
	If you hold the balance of power in the next minority parliament, if it is that, what would be the price of your support?
	Respect for Quebec.
	That's quite easy.
	I don't want to go against what Canada...
	I don't want Canada to impose an economic vision or a multiculturalist vision on Quebec, which is different in terms of language and values and secularity and equality between people.
	So I want to be a partner.
	And if Quebec is respected, Canada has nothing to fear from the bloc because we vote for what is good for Quebec.
	It only has to be good for Quebec.
	Thank you, Monsieur Blanchet.
	Now, we have one last question for each of you.
	We'll go right to left this time as I look at you.
	A bit of an offbeat question.
	Monsieur Blanchet, what is your biggest regret during this campaign?
	That's a very good question.
	I'm not very fond of regrets, I would say.
	But we should have started sooner to see that we had to create the environment for a deal.
	In which Quebec and Canada would be, one bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in front of Mr. Trump and showing that maybe nobody here is the partner to let go alone without being surveyed or controlled or supervised by a Quebec voice.
	Thank you, Mr. Blanchet.
	Same question, Mr. Singh.
	Your biggest regret of this campaign?
	Not being able to meet as many people as I would love to have.
	It's a short campaign and so I can't get to as many communities that I wanted to.
	I think one of the honors of my job is to be able to meet people and to hear their stories and then to take their stories and concerns and bring them to Ottawa and to fight for those people.
	And so I want you to know, even though I haven't made it to your community, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure that you are represented, that we never let any government cut our health care, that we defend the values that we care so deeply about.
	We make my life more affordable.
	That's my commitment to you.
	Even if I didn't get to see you, that's my commitment.
	Thank you, Mr. Singh.
	Mr. Carney, same question.
	Biggest regret of the campaign?
	To be honest, it's the same answer.
	This is an astonishing country.
	It is an amazing country.
	And the opportunity and the responsibility that comes with it of being with Canadians, hearing their stories, their challenges, drawing strength and ideas from them, and working to be part of the solution is the greatest honour of my life.
	But the regret is...
	That it is also a big country, and it is a short period of time.
	Mr. Poliette, last word to you.
	I actually agree with these two gentlemen.
	I had a rule that at all my rallies, even when they're really big, I would stand in front of a flag and greet every single person and hear their stories and learn their struggles.
	And that was always touching to me, that they would put their faith in me or in any of us.
	But we've been in such a rush because we have to get off to the next event, so we haven't been able to stop and do that.
	And I want you to know, out there, I haven't forgotten about you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Mr. Paliyev.
	It is time now for closing statements, and prior to the debate, you drew lots as to which order we would go in.
	And Mr. Singh, you get the first word on a closing statement.
	Certainly. Thank you.
	Because you voted for New Democrats, we were able to build this country that we love.
	Universal healthcare and pensions because you voted for us.
	Because you voted for New Democrats, we were able to fight to bring in dental care, pharmacare, and childcare because you voted for us, because you supported us.
	You have the power with your vote to send more New Democrats to Ottawa to continue that fight, to make sure that no government cuts the things that we hold dear, like our healthcare, to ensure that we can do everything possible to make life more affordable by making it more affordable to buy your groceries and to get a home.
	I'm asking for your support in this election so that I can continue to fight to defend the things that make Canada Canada, the things that we hold dear, the things that make us proud to be Canadian.
	Thank you, Mr. Singh.
	Mr. Cardi?
	We are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
	Donald Trump is trying to fundamentally change the world economy, the trading system.
	But really what he's trying to do to Canada, he's trying to break us so the U.S. can own us.
	They want our land.
	They want our resources.
	They want our water.
	They want our country.
	Water? They've already got the water.
	Against Donald Trump.
	Oh yeah, Donald Trump.
	I'm ready.
	I've managed crises over the years.
	I've built a strong economy.
	Crises of liberals making.
	We will fight back with counter-terrorists.
	We will protect our workers.
	I'm not getting ahead of myself.
	We will build a strong economy.
	We will build Canada strong.
	This son of a bitch just lost the election.
	The honor of doing so.
	Thank you.
	Fuck you.
	For 260 years and a little bit more, les Français devenus des Canadiens, devenus des Canadiens-Francais, devenus des Québécois.
	They became Quebecers.
	You have tried to have them become Canadians.
	Like all Canadians.
	But to no avail.
	We are different.
	So let's be economic partners.
	Let's have a voice chosen by and for Quebecers.
	I like you, but go fuck yourself.
	As equals in front of Mr. Trump.
	You're not equals.
	You never will be equals.
	Could someone start where I began and get to the stage?
	I was born to a single mother and...
	Adopted by school teachers who raised me to believe in the incredible Canadian promise that anyone who worked hard could do anything.
	That promise feels broken today.
	Many of you worried about paying your bills, feeding your families, or ever even owning a home.
	You're worried your kids are in danger.
	But I'm here to say it doesn't have to be this way.
	With change, we can restore the Canadian promise so that hard work Gets you a beautiful house on a safe street under a proud flag.
	We can do it with hope for a change.
	Gentlemen, thank you for a very spirited debate tonight.
	Two quick points before we go.
	Number one.
	One of you celebrated your 60th birthday yesterday on this stage.
	Yves-François Blanchet, bon anniversaire!
	Thank you very much.
	Secondly, you'll notice we didn't have to change the time of this debate because the Leafs already clinched the Atlantic Division title and therefore we didn't need to move the debate to accommodate a hockey game.
	I'm getting back at my colleague who was in this position last night and okay, go Hats go, that's fine.
	With that, we're done.
	Thank you, leaders, for being here tonight.
	We are just 11 days from Election Day, April 28th.
	But there are many ways that you can cast your ballot starting tomorrow at advanced polls.
	If you intend to vote by mail, that deadline is April 22nd.
	Make sure to check your voter card for details or contact Elections Canada.
	This is your democratic right, and we hope you use it.
	Thank you so much for being with us tonight.
	I'm Steve Pagan.
	Good night from Montreal.
	Steve Pagan.
	Alright, I'm going to read through some of the chats.
	I have some questions for you.
	Yeah, dude, hold on.
	I'll bring this out.
	I need to get it.
	Mmm.
	Let me just see what happens.
	Maybe we get a hot mic.
	Sorry I'm such a mentally deficient idiot.
	Mark Carnes is a good one there.
	You really fucked me hard.
	Now he's going to say, well, I'm done.
	That's it.
	Enjoy the partnership.
	Thanks for the thumbs up.
	You'll be in my cabinet.
	Thank you.
	Call me.
	Well done, sir.
	You really represented Quebec and only Quebec, but that's what you're there for.
	We got that guy.
	Hey, well done, sir.
	I'm told.
	Oh, he's going to give him his life.
	Holy shit.
	I'm sorry, that last...
	I'm telling you that the moment that we witnessed this game of the election.
	And it's not because I like Pierre.
	Yeah, pull your...
	And Jagmeet's like, what the hell?
	Oh, that's right.
	I just shit on everybody and everyone leaves me here alone.
	I'm just going to leave.
	Oh, thumbs up to my team?
	Nope. Oh, my team's gone.
	So what do I do here?
	Well, you got a nice...
	Just look there and just talk to people.
	Just walk off.
	Oh, look at that.
	Just kick your heels.
	Good for him.
	Jagmeet Singh's got big feet.
	His feet are at least a size 10 and a half.
	Everyone Google the size of Jagmeet Singh's feet.
	I guarantee you it's 10 and a half.
	And now we're done.
	You want to know why I know what the size of the feet was?
	I used to sell shoes.
	Holy crab apples.
	For the last 10 minutes...
	Do you think 10.5 is a big shoe?
	Well, how tall are you, sir?
	Mine are 13s.
	Shut your face.
	Are you 6'3"?
	I am.
	I used to sell shoes.
	That's a normal size for a 6'3".
	Do you know how tall I am in Kryptis?
	5'6"?
	No, 5'5".
	Do you know what size my foot is?
	That would be 8'5"?
	Yeah, if my wiener were small.
	No, it's a 9'5".
	I'm a size 9'5 with a wide foot.
	I'm sorry, it's so stupid.
	Nobody cares about this.
	In Kryptis, that was...
	The culmination, the climax of that entire debate was worth the entire however many hours of suffering we had.
	So, there's a couple questions I have here.
	So, you got very excited at a few different parts of this.
	Now, I understood when PP grew some balls, that one part, I actually had some respect for him.
	I had lost all my respect throughout the last two days of this.
	I had a little bit.
	A little bit more than you have.
	I saw you fighting with Steve Britton in our locals community.
	Not that I care.
	It's all fun and games.
	Yeah, yeah, no.
	And I still love Steve Norris.
	My issue is that he acted very weak, and I like the fact that he acted strong.
	But there was a few points that you reacted very strongly.
	And I really don't understand what you're acting so strongly.
	Okay, fine.
	Which moments?
	It was before that.
	There was a handful of times that you started like, oh my god, I gotta tweet this.
	I didn't understand what points they made that were so amazing.
	Well, the first one was when Mark Carney said we've got to inflict maximum harm on America.
	That's actually amazing.
	And in as much as you can get Trump to tweet or chime in on this in the last 12, the problem is it's basically people's decisions are done.
	And so you got, it's April 17th, the election's on.
	The 28th?
	Is it the 20th or the 29th?
	Whatever. Is there an April 29th?
	There isn't.
	It's April 28th.
	No, he basically said we're going to try to inflict maximum harm on the U.S. while aligning with China.
	I need to find the tweet where Carney was talking about aligning with China to make better trade deals because of Hold on.
	I'm getting distracted by your face here.
	The blue streaks on your face, if this were blue light...
	Oh, he's out.
	No, no, you can bring it back in.
	I want to make jokes here.
	If this were blue light showing things like this part of the right-hand side of your head, you might want to get those streaks out.
	Bottom line, I love it.
	You look like Jack Dorsey met the Matrix.
	No, when Carney said...
	You said it doesn't look like me?
	No, I mean, you've got a neon blue beard, so that's not going to work.
	When Carney said we're going to inflict maximum harm on America, that's marketable.
	And whether or not Trump does it, fucking Pierre Poilier better do that.
	That's like, I'm declaring war?
	Like, what I'm doing right now is to inflict maximum harm on America and Americans?
	And I'm complaining about Trump hurting Canadians by imposing a tariff?
	I mean, holy hell.
	That's... Confession through projection.
	But hold on.
	I got distracted here.
	Whenever I see Viva, we'll stare at a man's butt.
	But he can't stand to look at him.
	No, no.
	It's just because the...
	Whatever. So there was that.
	I need to get the exact other timestamps.
	But the one that was amazing was just the last one.
	Where Carney...
	It's so amazing when you see people fall into traps.
	Whether or not it was Pierre Poliev setting it up for the entire two-hour evening.
	That he got...
	Kearney, to fall into the trap of pulling out the why didn't you agree to the clearance bullshit.
	Anybody paying attention knew it.
	And I don't know how many people are watching this.
	Like, we're watching it here, but I don't know how many people in Canadian media are watching this.
	So this is why, like, we're force multipliers.
	We are, let's just say, 3,000 people now paying attention to Canadian politics.
	When Poilier said, yeah, you wanted me to sign on to that.
	To get my clearance so that I would be gagged and not be able to talk about it.
	I've been saying that for a freaking month and a half, maybe two months.
	By the way, none of this...
	Pierre is good.
	I didn't hear Tamara Leach's name come up.
	I didn't hear charter rights.
	I didn't hear the Ottawa protests.
	It's fine.
	Trust the plan.
	He's got to say what he's got to get to get elected.
	I don't trust Pierre Paulyet.
	I trust him to be a fair-weather politician.
	I trust Carney to sell Canada to the Chinese.
	Someone's got to find...
	A tweet that Carney just put out recently that said we need to establish better trade relations with China because of America while simultaneously tonight saying China's the biggest threat to Canada.
	I was trying to look for that and I couldn't find it.
	Those are the two big ones.
	That was fun.
	I mean, that was a very, very...
	Oh, hold on.
	What I have to do, actually, because I don't want to not be good about it.
	Hold on.
	No, no, and yes.
	Here it is.
	This is what I need to...
	Oh, yeah.
	I like Yves Blanchet.
	The funny thing is, I don't like his politics, but I like the man with principles and consistency.
	Alberta referendum either way, says Astrosweat.
	Hold on.
	Excuse me.
	No foreign aid when our country is economically collapsing.
	None at all, says the Lone Canuck.
	Lone Canuck says, healthcare sucks right now because the Liberals NDP...
	Brought in 7 million people in 9 years.
	Let's just say it's 5 million people, so we don't have to argue over details.
	All the immigrants are using our healthcare system without paying into it and overburdening it.
	This is true.
	Forced name change says, Apologies, Viva, if I get a little spicy tonight.
	Forced name change, don't worry.
	We all got spicy tonight, including Pierre.
	I'm telling you this.
	I got it.
	I got the moment with my commentary.
	Everyone out there, I don't want to go do it.
	Clip it without my commentary because I think I distract from it.
	That was the moment.
	We saw it.
	You look at Carney's eyes.
	Maybe I'm a little too...
	What's up?
	Yeah, sure.
	Carney went like this.
	He was like a man caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
	A baby who was caught pooping his diaper.
	I've got a kid in here.
	What are you looking for?
	Your headphones?
	She's looking for a scrap paper.
	Just bear in mind, we're live.
	So you may not want to...
	What's going on with the scrap paper?
	Colorful scrap paper?
	I assure you I have not seen that.
	Is it because your homework is not done?
	No. I'm making a crap.
	It's all...
	Okay. So, excuse me.
	Let's go back.
	I'm going to get back here.
	Okay, so we got a poll.
	You guys are spicy.
	Yes, you fucking poll start.
	That's how communism works.
	Yes, you.
	Okay. That's from Fourth Name Change.
	2014 Leapfrog says, Rumble keeps buffering.
	I noticed that as well.
	I was listening to it on my phone when I went to the other room.
	It's terrible.
	This happens frequently, but it's frustrating tonight.
	Rumble needs to do better.
	Please let them know.
	I am missing a lot.
	I will let them know.
	I did notice it when I went to this.
	Okay, well, I got to eat dinner.
	I gotta urinate.
	I gotta...
	I need a shower because I went exercising and I haven't taken a shower yet.
	If we could just crank up our carbon production, we wouldn't need those fucking icebreakers.
	LOLs. Harry Toe.
	That was from Forced Name Change.
	Harry Toe says, if a politician during a debate ever called their opponent gay and retarded the world...
	Dude, look, look.
	Trust the plan.
	By elections 20...
	Here are we now, 25. By elections 2029, Pierre Pellier will be calling a geriatric Mark Carney gay and retarded.
	Without the G-H-E-Y, you gotta self-censoring.
	Forced name change says, I'm watching you watching the leadership debate in Canada between Tweedledum, Tweedledum, what a fucking moron, and their token Quebecer.
	My blood is absolutely boiling.
	We are fucked.
	I'm not saying that Canada is not fucked.
	I'm just saying that...
	Pierre's moment of the election was what I called.
	And I'm going to go put it on blast.
	You should all do the same.
	And may it at least pause the destruction of Canada.
	Maybe next election.
	Pierre Pauliev says, yes, I have grown political testicles.
	They feel like normal testicles, but they're filled with politics and courage.
	My issue with Pierre, that...
	F-ing coward.
	He was letting Blanchet.
	He was letting Blanchet do the hard work.
	I'm wondering if they didn't have an agreement.
	Because Blanchet knows he's not getting elected.
	Got nothing to lose.
	Be pro-Quebec and anti-Carney.
	That's a good deal.
	Cultivated Mind says, I remember when the U.S. had these types of debates pre-2016, boring and full of lies to dull the masses.
	Well, in pre-2016, they might have had the debates, but they didn't have me.
	And they didn't have the internet.
	And that is what is the difference right now.
	It's the democratization of information in real time.
	And I'm not trying to make fun of you.
	I know you.
	I love you.
	I've seen you here before.
	Yeah, the difference is now we get the bullshit with the bullshit color outer people.
	Me. Lone Canuck says, Sing really is a low IQ retard.
	How many times have we used the word retard today?
	As a Windsor native, I would like to apologize for the rest of the country for creating him.
	Well, in fairness, he was only born in Windsor, but he's a born Canadian, so you cannot deport Jagmeet Singh regardless of what you want to do.
	Lone Canuck says, if you want to decrease housing costs, we need mass deportation.
	By the way, so this is what I was trying to say earlier.
	They had said we're not going to talk about deportation tonight.
	And I was on with freaking Richard Sorrette earlier.
	I said, mother effer, Pierre, better talk about immigration and housing.
	It blew my mind that they didn't talk about immigration and housing during yesterday's French debate.
	That's it, by the way.
	Now you got to know your candidates.
	I'm not your buddy guy says, I truly believe if Pierre loses, Canada will be dead.
	We are barely on life support now as it is.
	Yep, I agree.
	And if Pierre gets elected...
	Your life support just got a little injection of...
	What's the one I'm looking for?
	Morphine? So you get another month.
	And you better hope that Pierre finds his political testicles.
	The loan connects us as a Windsor-born autoworker.
	We don't claim same.
	So that was amazing.
	Did I miss any of the tipped questions?
	See, I came back to locals to see if I've missed anything.
	And this is what I come back to.
	What the...
	What is this?
	I look like a woman.
	By the way, my nipples look like that.
	I don't know how anybody knew that my nipples actually look like that.
	I've got the small...
	That's so wrong.
	No, I've got the small nipples.
	Nipples are very interesting.
	Well, I've never seen enough nipples, but if you've seen enough nipples, you know some are tight and brown.
	Others are big and diluted.
	Others are like...
	Can I just get out of here?
	Yeah, I can.
	There you go.
	You do have some super...
	Drop them in your Twitter DMs.
	Oh, I'll get to the Super Chats.
	I will die on the hill of my firearms.
	If Carney comes for my guns, he gets...
	I'm not reading it because I don't want to get in trouble.
	I'm in a foreign country on a visa and I want to respect the laws of the land.
	Let me go to the...
	I also think I might have found that clip of Carney you were looking for.
	Also drop that.
	Yeah. It was recent though.
	Yeah. Okay, I'm going to check.
	I'm not going to share that one now because I want to make sure that that one I can use later.
	Because I remember him saying, we need to build our relationship with China because of America.
	And then tonight, who is that?
	I'm looking to the ground.
	Is that a dog?
	That's my wife.
	I'm in big trouble.
	I saw the foot come in first and I thought it was the...
	Rory F says, all I hear them say is Alberta needs to secede.
	That is a fair observation.
	Oh, sorry, hold on one second.
	We're not looking at the same thing because I have not shared my Asian guru private chat.
	All I hear them say is Alberta needs to secede.
	Allegan News says, there is a lot of activity in press room about rebel media, CBC and government media, big mad at independent media, videos on X. Yeah, Ezra Levant tweeted out that...
	They were actually, there's no scrum after tonight's debate because apparently they did so much damage yesterday that they can't do it.
	Viva, we are, we here in Canada appreciate you and all your coverage.
	Thank you.
	Maureen, because I know you and I know you're sincere, I thank you.
	To all those CPC bros who can't stand reality and who think your best defense to the most legitimate criticism is, will you left to Florida?
	Okay. Let's even operate on the flawed basis that all of your insults and criticism against me are right.
	I'm a loser.
	I'm a Mossad.
	I'm short.
	I left to Florida.
	All right.
	Everything that I have said about Pierre is true.
	And my goodness, my only hope is that he actually...
	Holy hell.
	That last moment.
	I'm telling you that that last moment is the moment of the debate.
	It's the moment of the election.
	You got...
	Two weeks to ramp up that moment.
	To put it on blast.
	I also do believe that I posted the Mark Carney saying we've got to inflict maximum harm on America.
	I posted that to truth.
	And may Donald Trump see it.
	Because Mark Carney is a rapacious piece of shit.
	He's a piece of shit lying scumbag.
	I'm sorry to swear.
	He's a very, very bad man.
	And it's not because he's gotten away with it that he's not bad.
	I know that he's a bad man.
	Set aside the Epstein.
	Set aside Ghislaine Maxwell.
	Set aside Prince Andrew.
	Set aside moving to the UK.
	Sending his daughter to the Tavistock so that she can think that she's a man.
	Set aside all that shit.
	Set aside him not being able to say how many genders there are.
	We're an inclusive country.
	Set aside all that.
	He's a political whore.
	He's a globalist whore.
	And he will sell Canada to China faster than you can say.
	I had so many jokes.
	If I were a stand-up comic.
	I could have ended that joke with the punchline of punchlines.
	But me so polite that I'm not going to do it, although I think I just did it there.
	He will sell Canada out to the Chinese if he hasn't already done it.
	One month in power?
	Bullshit. That man has been advising Trudeau for five freaking years.
	That man has been investing in his advice for five freaking years.
	He is China.
	He's working with China.
	He is indebted to China.
	He's in business with China.
	And you can't trust that guy as far as you can throw him.
	And I'm a strong man.
	I don't think I can throw him.
	Outlook underscore com.
	I'm sensitive to flattery.
	You did really good for a job for us tonight, Viva.
	I was trying to be quiet.
	I was trying to let it go through.
	I'm blushing, says Fihansis.
	That is awesome, says President Poopypants.
	Must be Joe Biden.
	We're going to end it on a good laugh.
	And it's going to be because I saw it.
	View all.
	There's so many.
	Oh, God.
	Let me just bring it.
	You will all vomit as I shall.
	What's amazing is, okay, first of all, his abs are very good.
	Do you see the cursor?
	Do you see my cursor on his nipples?
	Yes. Okay, fine.
	Let's just make sure.
	So he's eating the bugs.
	I don't know what the rabbit's about.
	Those ab muscles are not healthy because you've left too much over on the side.
	The nipples are accurate and the bare chestedness is accurate.
	Let me see his teeth.
	What's scary is that that looks like me.
	And Fred Savage.
	I don't know what else is going on.
	Oh, God.
	We're going to get out of here.
	This is too much.
	All right.
	I've got this.
	I've got my phone.
	It's burning a hole in my phone.
	I've got to go get it.
	Go. Encrypt us.
	Tomorrow's Friday.
	My kids are off school for some reason.
	I have no idea why.
	And the homeschool kid is on school.
	Viva is too short.
	Need a better angle for the smart shots.
	Viva is...
	Gee! I'm going to go get some food.
	Alright, so go and enjoy the night.
	I'll be live tomorrow.
	That was amazing.
	Snip, clip, share away.
	Let me just go see what the markets are saying.
	The markets are not really changing much.
	Liberal majority up 3%.
	I don't care anymore.
	I will lose everything.
	If the Canadians are stupid enough to vote for Mark the Carnage Carney, Mark China Carney, Mark Kami Carney, Mark the Globalist WEF3 Passport carrying Davos speaking WEF Globalist Bilderberg meeting attending whore.
	If you vote for them, enjoy it.
	I hope it felt good.
	Fucking 10 years in power and you're going to go try to give them another 4 years.
	Why not just...
	Can't say what I'm going to say because that will be misinterpreted by many a platform.
	Tomorrow's Good Friday.
	Go and enjoy Good Friday.
	I'm not sure that you're supposed to enjoy Good Friday.
	Maybe it's supposed to be a solemn day of repenting.
	May it be a meaningful Good Friday.
	Oh, that's why they're off school.
	Sorry, thank you for reminding me.
	May you enjoy your Good Friday.
	Make it meaningful.
	May the globalists lose.
	May the populists win.
	It's not for love of Marc, for Pierre Proliev.
	It's for despising Marc Carney.
	Amazing how you get a PQ, you get a Bleu Quebecois separatist on stage, but not Maxime Bernier.
	We witnessed a moment, and the moment shall last.
	Go and enjoy the night.
	Godspeed tomorrow, live, 4 o'clock.
	Thank you all for being here.

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