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March 21, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

02:01:19

Owen Shroyer SWATTED! The Tate Brothers Sue for DEFAMATION! Fentanyl Busts in Canada & MORE!

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	This is a tax policy change that impacts less than 1% of people, but look at how much attention it's getting.
	Some people don't think that the richest few should pay more in taxes.
	Well, I don't agree with that.
	At a time when the richest are only getting richer, I think it's fair to ask those people to pay a little more.
	Give me more money.
	You may have heard of the capital gains tax.
	Oh, yes, we've heard of it.
	Or what some people call the capital gains tax advantage.
	Nobody calls it that.
	You don't know what that is?
	You probably don't get that advantage.
	It's basically where you've made enough money and amassed enough wealth in assets that you end up getting a tax break.
	Here's what I mean.
	Everybody pays taxes on 100% of their salary.
	If a nurse is making $70,000 a year or an investment banker has a salary of $800,000 a year...
	Listen to this commie pig tell you how he's planning on taxing more of your money.
	When it comes to paying income taxes, they're both paying taxes on all of that income.
	Now, that nurse may be living a good life, but she's probably not earning enough to be buying and selling assets like properties.
	But that investment banker who's making $800,000 a year probably is.
	We're going to put on pause here, right, people?
	And we're going to come back to this in a bit because I see our guest in the backdrop.
	He's looking damn good, all things considered.
	And we're going to come back to the Canadian communism.
	In a bit, people.
	Owen Schroyer.
	First of all, everybody who's coming in, welcome to the show again.
	We'll do a recap.
	Not a recap.
	We'll do a reintroduction in about 15 minutes.
	When the raids of the Rumble lineups are complete.
	I believe the quartering is handing off the raid to me today.
	And I don't yet know who I'm handing it off to after my show.
	All that I can tell you is it's going to be one hell of a show.
	Starting with Owen Schroyer.
	And we're going to have Sam Cooper on at about 4 o'clock talking about Canadian stuff.
	And in between...
	The Tate brothers have sued a bunch of people for defamation.
	We're going to get into all of that, but right now, I know Owen is on a limited amount of time.
	Is he in the White House?
	Dude, I'm bringing him in here.
	Owen, 3-2-1.
	Sir, are you in the White House?
	Is Owen frozen?
	Owen is frozen.
	No, Owen, does he hear us?
	Hold on, I'm going to bring him back out.
	Let me let Owen know that I see you.
	Man, he was frozen solid there.
	Messages and...
	I see you, smiley face.
	Let me go back here and see if Owen now...
	Owen, sir, can you hear me?
	You don't hear a thing.
	Oh, he's...
	Hold on.
	This is not on my end, people.
	Hold on.
	Oh, and this might be...
	It's funny.
	I've never had a problem with StreamYard before.
	Now we have a problem with StreamYard.
	Okay, they're going to set it up.
	Hold on.
	I see you, but don't hear anything yet.
	Let's give it a few seconds.
	I'm going to bring it back in here.
	It's going to be worth it, people.
	Okay. I see you, but don't hear you.
	Smiley face.
	Okay, let's go back.
	Your audio is just fine.
	It was definitely on it.
	Yeah, we'll see.
	You have been rated.
	Oh, we've been rated.
	Well, just in time, Ray.
	Let's see.
	Owen, can you hear me now?
	I got you now.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay. Dude, you were so stupid right now.
	We're live.
	We're live and people are coming in from the quartering.
	Yeah, okay.
	It happens.
	It happens.
	I'm with you now.
	I got you.
	We're loud and clear.
	Dude, you were so still for the first five seconds.
	I thought the screen was close, and then I saw you blink.
	You know what?
	That is the most still I've been in the last five days, so maybe I was just embracing the moment.
	I think everybody's seen the video, but in case they haven't, maybe I'll show it afterwards.
	I don't want to waste too much of the time that I have with you.
	Is this the first time that you've been rated guns drawn by law enforcement?
	Yeah. Yeah, it's the first time.
	I mean, I've had law enforcement come to my house again for other stuff that I've had to deal with.
	But yeah, that was the first time I've been swatted.
	That was the first time I've had a SWAT team put guns on me.
	At the risk of asking the obvious, what does that feel like?
	Because I was looking at the video and I sort of broke it down for people.
	Like, you don't see anything.
	They've got high-powered flashlights.
	You just know that there are people with presumably fingers on triggers.
	And anything that happens can set it off.
	Well, what does it feel like?
	I was physically and mentally prepared for that moment.
	I was kind of anticipating it was going to happen after I saw the rounds of swatting and then after our own employees and their families got swatted.
	So I was kind of mentally prepared, anticipating it.
	And because of that, I think in the moment, you know, it wasn't like a shock and awe thing.
	I was ready for it, you might say.
	As you described, you know, once I opened my door, their blinding lights are shining in my eyes.
	So I can't really see anything at that point in time.
	All I can really do is hear their voices.
	But as soon as, you know, I was just sitting in my home.
	I live alone.
	I was alone that night.
	As soon as I started seeing these flashlights shining out of my windows for like 20 seconds or so, I was like, okay, something's up.
	So I got up, looked out the window.
	Sure enough, a bunch of cops around in my house.
	I think I made eye contact with one of them.
	He looked up, put his light in my eye through the window, and I said, is this for me?
	Is this for me?
	I don't know if he probably couldn't hear me or not, but may have been able to read my lips.
	He was like, yes, come out with your hands up.
	Come out with your hands up.
	So I was like, okay, I know what's going on.
	Got my phone, got ready to record.
	So, I mean, really, you know, in the moment, like, I was ready for it.
	I was anticipating it.
	I knew exactly what I was going to do.
	So it was kind of just like...
	Running a play, if you will.
	It was like, you just kind of kick into a gear, and it's just like, you knew this was coming, and now you're just running the play.
	So in the moment, I mean, you know, it kind of comes across in the videos.
	Like, I was calm.
	I was collected.
	I was ready for it.
	In the aftermath, watching the videos, specifically the one my neighbor shot, because from my perspective, there's the video on my phone that I shot, which is tough to see much because of the lights.
	Then there's my security videos, which, you know, are angled basically to just monitor activity in my yard.
	So it doesn't really give it the full chilling effect that I got when I watched my neighbor's perspective.
	And they had laser sights on my head, back, and chest.
	And so kind of seeing that in the aftermath was like, whoa.
	That's when it really hit me like, you know, holy shit.
	I mean, I'm a finger pull away from it being over.
	So, yeah, so in the aftermath, it was a little more shocking, a little more kind of chilling, like, whoa, this actually happened.
	But, you know, in the moment, we're in the info war.
	We're in the trenches every day.
	I've been through quite a lot.
	I've been persecuted, everything else, for my politics.
	So, I mean, I'm kind of just used to it.
	I'm kind of just numb to it.
	I was ready for it.
	I just ran the play anticipating it.
	But, yeah, in the aftermath, seeing that really kind of put it into perspective to me, like I'm a human again, like, whoa.
	That was an intense moment.
	Did you publish your neighbor's video?
	I hadn't seen that.
	Yeah, I put it on my ex, I believe, a day or two ago.
	Maybe it was yesterday morning.
	He sent me some footage the next day.
	And he is a friend of mine.
	I'm friends with most of my neighbors.
	They know what I do.
	Most of them are fans of what I do.
	So it wasn't like the neighbors really had any problems.
	In fact, one of my neighbor came out.
	He was about to, who, ironically enough, works at Tesla.
	And he came out.
	And saw what was going on and kind of started to give the cops a hard time.
	Like, hey, leave Owen alone!
	Leave Owen alone!
	And they're like, this is an ongoing message, whatever.
	So they kind of shuffled him away.
	But yeah, my neighbors, if you pull up my ex account, he shot it through his window at his house.
	And that's where you see all the cops with their laser sights on me.
	So that's when, in the aftermath, I kind of sat and saw that and was just like, wow, that's really crazy.
	I'm trying to see.
	There's... Let me see here.
	I can't find it fast enough.
	I'll find it afterwards when I won't take your time to talk about it.
	What time did you get the call at?
	Are you talking about what time did they show up?
	Sorry, what time did they show up?
	Yeah. Yeah, it was around 11 o'clock p.m.
	I don't know the exact time, but it was right there around 11 o'clock p.m.
	I mean, it's so comical in a sense because I don't know how they don't know who you are.
	And it's not that different people deserve different treatment.
	It's that they can pretty much assume that they know who you are at Infowars.
	You're not going to do certain things.
	They ask you to lift up your shirt, turn around 360, walk backwards towards the sound of their voice.
	Then they ask you to get on your hands and knees and crawl towards them backwards.
	Yeah, and I know that you're doing a pretty good job actually discerning that audio because it was a little tough to discern from the video I shot.
	That's accurate.
	In fact, as you were reporting when you first saw it, there was kind of some conflicting orders, and that's why in the one video I'm kind of confused standing there like, wait, what?
	What do you want from me?
	But yeah, basically they said, you know, come out of your house, put your hands up, turn around, take your shirt off, you know, spread your arms, go through that, and then walk backwards, get on the ground, crawl backwards from them.
	I don't know if you ever tried to crawl backwards, let alone on, you know, a paved road.
	It's not exactly fun.
	You get a little scraped up, a little dirty.
	But yeah, that's what happened.
	Now, as far as your prior comment was concerned about they should know who I was, when they got the call to the address, I don't even think my name was ever brought up in that process.
	That's my understanding, is that my name was never brought up.
	They got a call at an address, and because the call was somebody was shot and killed at this address, they basically just go into whatever their...
	Whatever their normal protocols, practices are, gear up the team, gear up the SWAT team, you know, get ready and everything to go.
	I would say it was about, it's tough to hear in the audio again, but there was a moment there the second time that I said, guys, this is a false police report, this is a false police report.
	One of the officers says to the rest of his team, he says, hey, I know who that is.
	I think he's telling the truth.
	And that was, I think, right before they lifted me up and carried me away from the scene.
	And then afterwards, there were two officers that were like, hey, we know who you are, and we now understand what's going on.
	They were apologetic.
	They felt bad.
	Obviously, they had to go there.
	They were told somebody was shot and killed in the house.
	It was a false police report.
	But I don't think at any point in the process, until I was there standing next to them, talking to them, did they even know.
	That it was Owen Troyer of Infowars or a reporter or anything else that was going on.
	I think they were just responding to a call of a shooting.
	And not to be, I don't know, ignorant or naive about this, but I presume when they punch in your address, they know who lives at that address.
	They're not just showing up to a house or an apartment and not knowing who the occupant is.
	You'd think that.
	I don't know for sure.
	It's my understanding at this point, and I'm trying to get some follow-up.
	It's tough here.
	The Austin Police Department is defunded.
	They're defanged.
	They're demoralized.
	So it's really tough.
	And that whole aspect of it will lead me to some news that I'm going to break later today on my show.
	So at this point, some people are like, hey, you need to be more aggressive towards the police.
	You need to be calling them out more.
	They violated your rights.
	And while I understand that, and it's not even that I disagree, but To me, they're not my problem here.
	In fact, I need to work with them, and really throughout my experience in Austin, the APD has been pretty good to me, I would even say that.
	So I'm not trying to burn any bridges with the Austin Police Department because they're victims in this as well, and I'm trying to work with them to figure out what went down here, and it's not to give them excuses, but it's just true.
	They're defunded, they're defanged, they're demoralized, and so...
	But are they also infiltrated?
	I mean, are they infiltrated or the top-down activists Soros-funded DAs or state attorneys?
	I don't know what they'd be in Austin, in Texas.
	You know, I don't know that.
	I don't know.
	It's probably a serious concern, but I can't say for sure.
	I don't know the inner workings of APD.
	Like I said, I've had a personal relationship, or maybe it's more accurate to say a professional relationship, with some of the APD over the years, just dealing with other incidents and talking to them.
	They've always been respectful.
	Most of them do know who I am, like what we do here.
	But yeah, I'm sure there's some bad eggs.
	I'm sure there's some bad eggs in there.
	In your follow-up, you put out a nine-minute follow-up video, which also contains some information that I didn't know, that you had had the pizzas delivered beforehand to your place unannounced or unordered.
	When did the pizzas get delivered?
	In the time frame of the swatting?
	So the next morning, the first pizzas got delivered.
	And then later that night, the second round of pizzas got delivered.
	So that was the next day, the day after.
	Yeah. And I'm going to have some more news on that today.
	I'm sorry I'm not giving you the exclusive on your show.
	I'm teasing my show coming up in an hour, but I'm going to have some more news on that and some law enforcement issues coming up on my show later.
	I'll help you tease it up.
	In your nine-minute video, you talked about how the pizzas were ordered from a Papa John's, which was a location two blocks from where your colleague Jamie White was just murdered barely two weeks ago.
	I went to look at a map, and it's the nearest Papa John's to the apartment complex where Jamie lived.
	And my question is, on the one hand, is it the same people, or are they just doing it in a way that they know you'll piece together to extra-terrorize you psychologically as to how malicious the people behind the swatting are?
	Heart of hearts, any indication, or you'll talk about it later, whether there's any connection to this, or whether it's just people doing the bad stuff?
	In the most psychologically devastating way possible.
	No, I'll respond to that right now.
	I do think whoever is behind this is very psychologically deranged and attempting to make this as psychologically twisted as they possibly can.
	Because you got to understand, the week before, I went to that spot to go cover.
	Jamie White's murder.
	I went to that exact spot.
	I shot a video.
	I talked to the local business owners to see what was going on as far as the investigation, what they knew.
	I got some interesting information there.
	So I was there a week before covering that.
	And then when I was able to discover where the first pizza order came from, because I was actually here on the Alex Jones Show when it happened, I just plugged the address into a map.
	And I drove there, and I wasn't really thinking about it until I actually arrived at the scene, and I was like, holy crap.
	I was just here last week.
	This is right where Jamie White was murdered.
	You also had an incident.
	I think it was a pizza delivery in Minnesota.
	I could be wrong.
	I don't remember the location, but there was a pizza delivery, another one of these swatting pizza delivery deals, where the person who got the pizza, it said on the receipt it was from Jamie White.
	So who's ever doing this is obviously...
	Trying to engage in psychologically twisted things.
	Now, look, I'm a proud conspiracy theorist.
	I don't hide from that term.
	But I do think it does appear, unfortunately, Jamie White's murder was a tragic incident that looked like a botched robbery.
	That's what the circumstantial evidence looks like.
	That's what the police report is leading to conclude.
	I would probably agree with that.
	The area he is in is known for some incidents like that.
	In fact, he'd been a victim of a recent robbery.
	Same place, same vehicle.
	So this circumstantial evidence, the investigation leads most people to believe that, yeah, it was a botched robbery.
	I would still say I would believe that.
	But I can't help but my mind go there.
	I can't help now but wonder, was there something else involved?
	Is it all connected?
	Either way, who's ever doing these pizzas and swattings is well aware of what's going on.
	So they're following us.
	They know about Jamie White's work.
	I think we've got it just from deductive reasoning and the process.
	I think we've got a pretty good idea of where they might be getting information from, where they might be getting personal information from based off of some other things that we're kind of cross-referencing right now with some of the other victims and then some of the other things I'm going to announce today.
	But it's hard for your mind not to go there.
	It's hard for your mind not to go.
	And think, is it all connected?
	Did it just look like a robbery, but was it actually something else?
	So, yeah, it's very psychologically twisted development that all of this is happening at the same time, and these strings are kind of tied into each event.
	Well, it is that people not tend to forget, but terrorist organizations always take credit for things, even if they didn't do them.
	So, like, a natural disaster, they'll take credit for it until you find out it was actually an accident or whatever.
	And this is a form of terrorism.
	Well, they'll try to take credit for what is a random murder, or at the very least, just weaponize it and make it as psychologically torturous on everybody else for the purposes of their...
	I consider this to be domestic terrorism.
	I gotta ask a stupid question, though.
	Papa John's, I mean, do they pay for the pizza before it's delivered?
	Because I didn't think anybody delivers pizza until it's paid for.
	No, I think...
	Well, I mean, what we've learned now is these pizza delivery...
	Companies, Papa John's, Domino's, most of the deliveries have been Domino's.
	They do still have a large percentage of their business that is cash on delivery, is what they call it, cash on delivery.
	So it's still a large part of their business, so you can still place an order and then select cash on delivery.
	When I inquired further, they're not going to change that policy because it is still a large portion of their business, as surprising as it may be.
	But yeah, you can order a pizza, say cash on delivery, and they have to come out and deliver it.
	Now, obviously, I've contacted...
	Papa John's and Domino's.
	And I told the local restaurants, if you get an order from this address, it's a false order.
	So they're well aware of that now, too.
	Now, I will tell you, and this is kind of breaking news.
	I've been teasing this, but I won't mind telling you this.
	I've been doing due diligence to try to follow up with Papa John's and Domino's at the corporate level, because when I go to the local level, there's only so much they can do, right?
	I mean, they're just processing orders all day.
	So, I've been trying to get to the corporate level of Domino's and Papa John's just to find out, hey, have you been in contact with DHS, FBI?
	Are they trying to get metadata?
	Are they trying to get IP addresses for where these orders come from?
	And, you know, get some other answers as well.
	I have not been able to get through, as you can imagine.
	It's almost impossible to get through.
	The Domino's and Papa John's corporate customer support.
	You always end up with a machine.
	You always end up with them asking for an email or a text or whatever.
	So I've never been able to actually get in touch with a person.
	I have been able to send an email to corporate media and customer service relations, and I've sent an email, but I haven't heard anything back.
	So I'm trying to bark up that tree.
	And the truth is...
	That's where the FBI, the DHS, whoever is investigating this, we're hearing from the administration they're investigating this.
	That's what we're hearing.
	I'd like to know exactly, but that's what they need to be doing.
	They need to be calling Domino's, Papa John's.
	Domino's is where they should start.
	90% of the fake pizza orders are coming from Domino's, and they need to say, hey, we need to locate these orders.
	I still have my order number because they bring you the receipt with the order.
	We need to say, here's the order numbers.
	You need to go into your systems, and you need to give us all the metadata that you can get with these numbers, and we need the IP address, and then they can kind of work from there to see if they can geolocate it or get any other information that might lead to the arrest of this individual.
	But I can't get any confirmation from the FBI.
	People have reached out there.
	I can't get any confirmation from the Domino's corporate offices, Papa John's corporate offices, so that's still a mystery element.
	Okay, wild.
	Did I understand that you know the address from which?
	You don't know the address from which the order was placed?
	Well, they're ordering it online.
	So when they order it online, all you have to do is just go to the order information and you can plug in any address, any phone number.
	I mean, it doesn't matter.
	You can just make it up.
	You can plug in any name, any address, any phone number.
	So they obviously do put my name and address in there, but then they put somebody else's phone number in there.
	I was able to get phone numbers and I thought, okay, this might be a lead because I was able to get the phone numbers because you have to put a phone number in to call back for the order.
	And then the phone numbers just went to the Travis County Sheriff's Office.
	So obviously the Travis County Sheriff is not ordering pizzas for me.
	That's just the number they put in the system.
	So I was hoping that could be a lead.
	Turned out to be dead.
	I was going to make a joke that it's the Travis County that's swatting you, but I won't make that joke.
	They don't actually phone back to make sure it's a bona fide order.
	I don't understand how they don't verify a cash-on-delivery order in the first place.
	It makes no sense as a business model that's still in effect.
	There's no verification.
	It's totally anonymous.
	And then if they get stiffed with the pizza at the delivery end, what do they do?
	Just eat it.
	Pun intended.
	Yeah, and maybe that's, well, I brought the pizza in here for the crew today for them to eat.
	I wouldn't eat it, man.
	That's just me.
	It will get eaten, I promise you.
	It's not going to be a Michael Jordan in Utah game six pizza or whatever that was.
	But no, maybe that's it, because I even asked about policy, and to them it was like, well, we have enough orders with the cash on delivery that we're not going to change anything.
	But maybe that's one thing they could do with policy is say, We're going to...
	The crew's in here eating the pizza right now.
	They could change that policy and just say, hey, we're going to do a follow-up phone call so when you order it online, we can at least confirm with somebody on the phone that, yes, this is real order.
	But my guess is in the larger, just in the bigger picture for Domino's and Papa John's, for just their bottom line, this is probably a tiny little thing.
	Obviously, for the victims of this, it's a big deal, and now they're going to be a part of a criminal investigation.
	But, I mean, as far as...
	Them running a business, I'm sure that these fake pizza deliveries are like less than 1% of their cash on delivery.
	So it's not like they're going to make it a priority.
	But if it gets worse, they might have to.
	That's it.
	The cash on delivery, the cash deliveries is 1% or whatever.
	And then the amount of fake ones is a fraction of that 1%.
	So it's insignificant until something terrible happens.
	Well, exactly.
	The latest on Jamie White is that they do believe it was a botched car robbery.
	I know that there will be people who will never believe that, and as much as nobody believes that Seth Rich was, you know, murdered as a result of a botched robbery as well.
	How is the team, I mean, it's at the risk of asking the absurd, how's the team coping, dealing with the loss?
	Well, we had a nice memorial for Jamie over the weekend, and I think some of the emotions and the reality of the situation kind of hit there.
	You know, here at the office, The most impacted are going to be the riders that shared an office with him, that worked with him every day.
	You know, for me, it's weird.
	I mean, I would talk to Jamie, you know, every once in a while, obviously, we work in the same offices, but I didn't deal with him and work with him every day like the riders did.
	So for me, it's just walking past his office and just seeing that empty chair, not seeing him there.
	Or if you're here on the weekend, he sits kind of at the headquarter desks and works directly with Alex on weekends.
	So that's just kind of him not being there and just knowing he's not going to be there again.
	That's kind of the crazy reality of it.
	We've actually dealt with, since I've worked here, three people suddenly dying.
	Those were for other issues.
	There was a car accident, a health issue.
	So nothing like with Jamie.
	But we've lost members of the team here before.
	And the way the guys operate here is just so focused on the mission It's hard to even get emotional about anything after everything we've been through.
	But the memorial was sweet, and I think people's emotions kind of came out then.
	But really, I think for the writers that share an office and work with him every day, that's probably the most difficult aspect of the people that actually work with him every day.
	And I mean, as far as the Seth Rich thing is concerned, the circumstantial evidence involved with that...
	That's why nobody believes it was a robbery, because nothing was robbed.
	All of his jewelry, his wallet was still on him after his botched robbery.
	In Jimmy White's case, the individuals or the suspects had been driving a stolen vehicle, which is confirmed as a matter of fact.
	They were, I guess, career or at least known criminals.
	What was the other circumstantial evidence in Seth Rich?
	His wallet was left there, his watch was there, his phone was there, and he just got shot in the back at four in the morning.
	They don't have any suspects in Jamie White's case yet.
	Well, they're probably keeping this investigation pretty close to the chest right now as it's ongoing.
	What they believe is there is this gang, and it might just be with young people, or it could be young people that are trying to get initiated, but they target Kias because they know, I guess, they're easy to break into.
	And Hot Start, so they target Kias for that reason.
	Now, there's probably like six cameras on that intersection that if they did use a car to get away, there's about six cameras at that intersection, and they can find out what car it is.
	So that investigation, I'm sure, is still going on.
	There is a chance that the perps fled on foot.
	As I documented in my videos when I went out to the scene, there's kind of a wooded...
	Wild wilderness area behind this apartment complex that's very well walked.
	Probably a lot of homeless people live back there, so they easily could have fled on foot through that area and not gotten picked up by the cameras.
	But there is organized crime in Austin.
	There is gang activity in Austin.
	They target Kia's.
	That was Jamie White's car.
	His car had been burgled a few months before.
	At the exact location, the location that he lived at is kind of a hotbed for crime as well.
	In fact, when I went to the scene, I was talking to another business owner who's right there at the intersection, and I just said, hey, have the police came here?
	Are they interviewing you?
	And they said no, and they were actually there that night.
	They run a health clinic, and they were actually there at 4 a.m., and they saw the scene of the crime and all the cops.
	And just after that, there was a drive-by shooting at the same intersection.
	A drive-by shooting happened as the cops were there on the scene with the crime tape for Jamie White's murder.
	A drive-by happened right at the same intersection that they called into the police.
	So, I mean, that's how bad the situation is in that area of Austin.
	I mean, it's bad.
	This city is, I mean, the Democrats have really, they've really effed this city up.
	Yeah, I just see one comment coming in from Twitter, which says, you know, why is it so bad even after Trump?
	I mean, Austin, when I was there for Alex Jones's trial, it's...
	Some places were an absolute dunghole.
	We went to a Walmart.
	I went in and out as fast as possible.
	The parking lot was filled with homeless people.
	The bathroom had been vandalized in the most foul of manners with poo-poo, if you can imagine.
	And I said, it doesn't feel safe.
	It didn't feel good.
	You get out into the outer boroughs and Texas becomes a beautiful place again.
	I was just double checking.
	There were lawsuits.
	Alleged the class action settlement because Kia's were too easy to steal.
	So it's a bloody tragedy.
	Oh, and when do you go live this afternoon?
	In T-minus 30 minutes, 3 o'clock p.m. Central.
	Okay, and now you're going to be talking about this, and so you've teased it up, but there's going to be more coming in.
	I know everyone's just happy that you're okay.
	I don't fully think everybody appreciates just how volatile those situations are where you're getting...
	I presume you've seen the Daniel Shaver video where, to me, it felt like the cops were given orders specifically to make him literally trip so they could literally have an excuse to kill him.
	The orders you were getting, I appreciate it.
	Everyone says it's protocol.
	Got to make sure 360 to make sure he's not armed.
	Back towards me so you don't get ambushed.
	Part of me would just want to lie flat on my stomach and just make him come to you and cuff you because, Lord knows, crawling backwards and they say you trip.
	And then you've got one cop to do something stupid before everybody opens fire not knowing who shot first.
	Yeah. Yeah, it's, and again, if you're the cops, I mean, I can't get into their mind.
	I don't know how many false police reports they deal with to this degree, right?
	So, I mean, my guess is normally with a deal like this, there's probably actually something going on and they got to be on alert.
	So it's not like they can just turn it off and try to feel a vibe and say, oh, we're good here.
	You know, they got to be intense.
	And that's why I'm not blaming the APD as messy as that situation was.
	Luckily, you know, nobody got hurt.
	But absolutely.
	I mean, if you're out there, you make one wrong move, or there's a miscommunication, or it just so happened, because I was looking at the video too, and I could totally understand where they're coming from.
	The shorts that I had on, and I guess when I took my shirt off, it kind of got revealed.
	The shorts that I had on have like a blue area right on the hip.
	So they were light-colored shorts with just like a blue kind of wide stripe on the hip.
	I mean, if they didn't know anybody, I could see them totally mistaking that for a weapon.
	Just by the way it looks, it just looks like something is sitting on my hip because of the way these shorts were designed.
	So again, it's just anything.
	Any miscommunication, any misreading, any slip of the finger, and the worst.
	The worst happens.
	Well, Owen, I say take care.
	We'll follow it up, and I'm very curious to see what you're going to report, and I'm going to tune in after I'm done.
	I say keep on keeping on.
	I made the joke.
	Nobody ever looked better getting swatted than you, but you only make the joke to make light of a horrible situation.
	It ended properly.
	The cops did what they had to do.
	You did what you were instructed to do, and nothing tragic came out of it.
	When I heard afterwards that the pizza was ordered from the place where Papa John's next to Jamie White, I didn't know that they had also ordered pizza from Jamie White.
	Capitalizing off a tragedy to further terrorize people for the purposes of this domestic terrorism.
	Yeah, and it was after those two phenomenons that I was like, we're really dealing with a psycho here.
	I mean, we're really dealing with somebody that's psychotic and probably getting some joy out of this wherever they may be.
	And they might have a lead of where the individual is, but I'll leave that up to law enforcement to announce when the time is right.
	But I was saying this the night it happened, and I'll kind of say this in closing.
	Not only are we dealing with, I think, somebody truly deranged that's getting kicks out of this.
	Whatever it is or whoever it is that we're dealing with, it has very high technological capabilities and or access to a huge database of people's information.
	And like I said, based off kind of some deductive reasoning and cross-referencing some other people's stories and what I've gone through, I think we may have an idea of where they're getting the data, but this appears to be a very skilled hacker that has gotten a very large corporation's data and likely has millions of people's private information,
	I would guess.
	Well, all right.
	It's not inspiring.
	I'm going to pull up Pan Bondi's announcement that they're going to go after these people.
	You got Cash and you got Bongino there, so they have their work cut out for them.
	And I'm going to play that video.
	I think I've got the interview with you.
	I'm guessing the Pan Bondi video is from Fox News?
	No, the one I'm seeing with you is with...
	Oh, geez.
	Is it Jason Kelly?
	I see a clip.
	It looks like your neighbor's house.
	Here, hold on a second.
	Let me bring this one up.
	I'm going to play this one after we're done.
	Show everybody.
	Hold on here.
	Let me just do this real quick like.
	Share screen.
	And this is Jason Kelly.
	Yeah, Jesse Kelly.
	Okay, I thought you were talking about a Pam Bondi interview.
	Yeah, that's just me taking a shot at her spending most of her time doing Fox News interviews instead of anything real.
	I saw that one too, but look, I want to give them a hard time just to make sure everybody's on their toes, but...
	Yeah, they've got to start getting down to this.
	I'd be shocked if this is only one person.
	To me, it seems like something of an organized organization of people who consider themselves the fighters of fascism, Nazism, and far-right extremism.
	Well, what we know is that the work can be done, and that's kind of going to be what I talk about later today on my show.
	If there's any excuses like, oh, we can't do this or that, that's total BS.
	They absolutely can, and now we have it confirmed that they can.
	At the federal and the local level.
	Owen, where are they going to find your show after they're done watching me?
	Or even, they can catch up on me afterwards.
	Go watch Owen.
	Where are they going to find you?
	We're at, we're on, InfoWars is live on Rumble, restreaming 24-7.
	You can find me there.
	My show also airs on my X account, at owensroyer1776.
	It's also where you can find all the videos that you were sharing of the swatting incident and more.
	And then, if you just want a direct link, write to my show feed, owensroyer.show.
	OwenSchroyer.show.
	I'm going to link it right now.
	Owen, we'll be in touch and I'll keep following up with you, but the Stay Safe is such a sort of patronizing, almost like a silly thing to say.
	Keep on keeping on and keep up the good work.
	Thank you.
	And really, thank you for keeping this story relevant and covering this.
	Thank you.
	It's unacceptable.
	I've been in touch with my local law enforcement to see, you know, have they been getting any of these false calls or calls?
	What can people do?
	And, you know, also so they know who I am so that if they show up at the door, they're like, oh, I...
	We talked with this guy the other day.
	It's not that it's scary.
	It's upsetting and that it's such an easy system to manipulate with such potentially disastrous consequences.
	So may Pan Bondi and the new administration start treating this like the domestic terrorism that it is.
	Amen, brother.
	We'll talk soon.
	Absolutely. Have a good one, Owen.
	All right, people.
	Now I'm going to play you the video because I've got to do one thing that's quasi, not urgent in a bad way, but I'm going to play you this video because it'll give me the two minutes that I need.
	To clean something up, literally.
	This is Owen with, did I say Jason Kelly?
	Jesse Kelly.
	Give this a watch.
	I'll be back in exactly less than two minutes.
	I'm one of, I think we're over a dozen victims in the recent days of this false police report swatting.
	Somebody called in a fake police report to the Austin police.
	They said I had shot and killed somebody in my home.
	I was home alone.
	And they showed up as a team of at least a dozen men.
	They had my house surrounded.
	At that point in time, I realized something was going on because flashlights were shining all in my house.
	I looked outside.
	I saw what was going on.
	I was like, is this for me?
	They're like, yeah.
	And they pointed at me and said, come out with your hands up.
	I said, okay.
	I was well aware of what was going on at that time because somebody also that works at Infowars had been swatted, Chase Geyser and some others as well that just don't want to report it yet.
	So I knew what was going on.
	I was prepared for it.
	And yeah, I just fired.
	Filed up a recording on my phone.
	I also had security footage going as well.
	There's another image that's the most chilling one that was shot from my neighbor's perspective.
	Luckily, my neighbors are all my friends, and they know what's up, too, where you can actually see the guns being pointed at me because in the one shot that you open the show with, the lights are all shining, so it's hard to really see what's going on.
	But from my neighbor's perspective, you can see their laser lights on my head.
	My back and my chest.
	And like you said, one slip of the finger, one hothead, one misunderstanding, miscommunication, and that's it.
	It's game over.
	It's wild, people.
	We'll thank goodness for small miracles.
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	Thank you all for being here and welcome to the show.
	Now, does anybody care about Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate suing a bunch of the people who have been on a...
	Some might call it a tirade.
	Some people might call it a crusade.
	Others might call it a...
	An adventure.
	Others might call it playing stupid games and now having won stupid prizes, that being a lawsuit.
	Oh, this is my first time from Tamara Williams.
	See, I can get the chat from StreamYard, but I'm not using Rumble Studio today because I wanted to make sure that our second guest would not have any hiccups or lack of familiarity with the platform.
	Four o'clock, Sam Cooper, Canadian journalist extraordinaire coming on.
	We're going to talk about Canada.
	Before we get to Canada, however.
	For those of you who don't know, the Tate brothers have sued a number of people.
	Jane Doe's, John Doe's, and some named individuals.
	Andrew Tate sued.
	I don't think it really made the news just yet.
	Here we go.
	Listen to this.
	Oh, it's law.com.
	Maybe I'll be able to get around it with an archive link.
	They are suing a number of individuals.
	Now, I had one of the individuals on the channel.
	Misfit Patriot, who I don't mind him.
	We had our discussion viva voce.
	We had our disagreements viva voce.
	And I think we understand each other better after an online face-to-face, digitally conversation.
	But I've been telling these people for a very long time, when you use certain rhetoric, you are flirting with the possibility of getting sued for defamation.
	Some people say that I'm running interference for the Tates, that I'm defending the Tates.
	You're a bunch of idiots if you say that for a number of reasons.
	I was not running interference for Hunter Biden when I said don't accuse him of having had relations with minors based on the Hunter Biden laptop.
	Based on this by Marco Polo, 501c3, check him out on Twitter.
	I'm not even going to...
	I'm not even sure.
	This is unreal.
	Like, I can't open this to a page without it looking like a pornographic novel.
	I told people, don't fall for the trick or the...
	What's the word I'm looking for?
	The temptation to refer to Hunter Biden as a pedophile.
	Let me rephrase.
	As having had relations with underage people.
	Because although the individuals in this book look young, by all accounts and by all information accessible to the individual who made that Marco Polo, the person was not a minor.
	And on the one hand, you won't get sued by Hunter Biden for saying it, but you might just get discredited for having promoted false information that actually just hurts the pursuit of the truth.
	I appreciate people don't like the Tates.
	The irony is...
	I think Tate's advice that they've given, at least in the older days, is stupid advice that is not alpha male by any means.
	I think that they were involved in a business, which is a dirty, disgusting business, immoral business, that they were involved in.
	There's a big, fat difference between immoral and illegal.
	There's been a group of people out there who have been on a very, very dogged pursuit to...
	Do their online investigations and come to the conclusion that the Tate brothers are guilty of human trafficking, guilty of rape, guilty of what they've accused of being sexual assault of a minor, and they believe that they have their justification for saying it based on the evidence that they've collected and the cross-dating and the cross-referencing,
	etc. You can go watch my Misfit Patriot interview.
	I did say that when you accuse someone of what is a crime, and by the way, people have to think that there's a gotcha because I...
	Humorously referred to Mark Hamill as a pedophile in a tweet where he was unwittingly, unknowingly recirculating images of a child from an account that sexualizes a lot of the content on their platform.
	The Elon Musk versus the submarine guy was what people might want to understand as basically asserting that calling someone a pedophile, especially when there's a humorous undertone to it.
	is not to be taken seriously and is not defamatory.
	Elon Musk, when he referred to the guy as the pedo guy,
	When you accuse people of having committed crimes, and not just any crimes, crimes which are patently damaging on their face, that is called defamation per se.
	And when people, despite whatever their sincerely held belief is, make these statements, they are walking themselves into the lawsuit which they have now walked themselves into.
	And that lawsuit...
	Hold on one second.
	Hold on one second.
	Actually, I want to...
	Let me just make sure that...
	This is public, and I don't care that it's public.
	I don't want to show anybody's personal information, even if it's already in there to the extent it's not absolutely necessary.
	Okay, well, good here.
	Look, we can get an article off of law first.
	Then we'll get to the essentials of this lawsuit.
	Law.com!
	Can't really read the...
	The Tate brothers...
	The header says Tate brothers allege coordinated online defamation campaign in Florida lawsuit.
	And I'll read this and then we're going to get to the crux of the allegations in the lawsuit.
	Social media influencers Andrew Tristan Tate sued anonymous social media users.
	An attorney they allege is linked to advocacy groups and the National Center...
	Of exploitation, Vice President Eleanor Gaetan.
	In a defamation lawsuit filed this week in Palm Beach County, they allege an extensive online conspiracy over allegations of human trafficking, sexual misconduct, and other criminal activities to tarnish their reputations and cause financial harm.
	Tate Brothers, represented by Thomas Maniotis with Equity Legal, alleged that they suffered significant reputational harm from defamatory statements made on X, which claimed that the plaintiffs committed both sexual trafficking and rape.
	According to the plaintiffs, They were subsequently denied business opportunities due to the defendant's alleged defamations.
	Defamations? I would have said defamatory statements.
	Whatever. The brothers were initially arrested in Romania in 2022.
	In UK, they are facing separate and unrelated charges of rape and human trafficking, which they both consistently deny.
	In the United States, the brothers face a civil lawsuit filed by a woman who alleges that they coerced her into sex work and subsequently defamed her after she provided evidence to Romanian authorities, a charge they firmly denied.
	March 4, Florida Attorney General James...
	Uthmeyer, we all remember this now, stated that he had directed his office and law enforcement partners to initiate an investigation into Tate, the brothers.
	Plaintiffs stated that there was conspiratorial plot to defame them that took place on X Spaces live audio conversation channels hosted by X and a group called Team Matrix, where several co-conspirators discussed the depths of their ongoing conspiracy to intentionally, recklessly, and maliciously defame the Tate brothers.
	How long does this go on for?
	Now we can read it.
	They allege that Matthew Jury, an attorney partner in McEwen Jury, partners directly emailed and communicated with members of Team Matrix, providing them informational guidance and support for their social media defamation campaign.
	According to the suit, Jury, I don't think he wants a trial by jury, bada bing, bada boom, is also involved in a crowdfunding campaign to fund additional sex abuse allegations against the plaintiffs and members of the Team Matrix asked multiple times to donate.
	For their cause.
	Quote, Team Matrix refuses to make any corrections despite the plaintiffs producing text messages showing one of the alleged victims from Florida instructing a third party to fabricate evidence against the Tate brothers to send Romanian authorities after having discussed a plan to deceive plaintiffs into purchasing them a house in Romania,
	the complaint read.
	Plaintiffs' alleged jury made frivolous bar complaints against the Tate brothers' attorneys.
	Marcel Vonderwat.
	Vonderwat. The Tate brothers are credibly accused and charged with sex trafficking.
	This is factually correct.
	Well, I should say, credibly accused.
	This is a factually correct statement.
	They are also facing criminal charges, sexual violence in the United Kingdom.
	All right.
	We have advocated and filed lawsuits against the largest pornography companies in the world and have never faced this level of intimidation to silence, Vanderwat said.
	But we are not intimidated.
	NCOSE is a public advocacy organization dedicated to advocate on behalf of survivors of sexual abuse and exploitation.
	We will not let these accused sex traffickers, Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate, silence us.
	Okay. Now, two things.
	Let me just go over to the chat and see if anybody doesn't care about this story.
	Doesn't matter.
	We're going to finish it anyhow.
	Okay, so that's the summary, the lawsuit itself.
	What is interesting in the lawsuit, and I've looked through it not in, well, I'd say in sufficiently thorough detail, actually.
	Let me just get to the points which are salient here.
	We've gotten past, I don't want to, you can find it online, people, here.
	Share. Not a certified copy, people.
	Bring it down here.
	We've got the members of Team Matrix, which we've discussed now.
	Mr. Jury's crowdfund is replete with defamatory allegations such as this statement.
	Tate is on bail and allowed to travel freely within Romania.
	It would be easy for him to smuggle himself across the border.
	Indeed, several high-profile suspects have fled Romania this way.
	Before they can be convicted, there is evidence that Tate plans to flee Romania before his trial starts.
	Should he flee, it is feared that his influence will only grow and he may go on to commit further crimes against women and others.
	You want to get to these statements that were made by the people.
	There's a number of people, some of whom I have interacted with on Twitter.
	But let's get to the statements, which we can see here.
	The chart is a little further down here.
	We get some Jane Doe statements.
	There's going to be a number of jurisdictional issues in that some of these defendants do not reside in Florida, let alone America from what I understand.
	A number of them are unidentified to be identified.
	But the graph is really what we care about in terms of looking through these statements and seeing what the statements are and what the arguments are going to be.
	Here, let's see this one.
	Player said in a space regarding Suzanne Winter as follows.
	Now you've heard her talk.
	Does she sound like a 20 to 25-year-old girl?
	No. And what I'm trying to say is the Tates or their lawyers are trying to purport that Suzanne Winter and another account are the...
	Are two of the Romanian victims posting against the Tates?
	You've heard her talk.
	Okay, she does sound like one of the victims.
	Obviously, she's not one of these people.
	She's just posting against the Tates.
	So why the F would McBride or the Tates think Suzanne is any way attached except maybe through a third party giving them information, telling them who Suzanne and the other accounts are?
	Okay, that's...
	All right, going down here.
	These are what we want.
	Suzanne Winter.
	And we're going to get into these statements, and you're going to look into what's an opinion, what's a statement of fact, or what purports to be a statement of fact, and what the defense is going to be.
	They sincerely believe this.
	Forcing women to have your sons is called rape.
	When Tate said he loved hitting women, he's not joking.
	Imagine the pain of finding out your daughters aren't in college but were sex trafficked.
	The Tates made a point of isolating victims from their support systems.
	Imagine having to hide from your abuser in a bathroom, probably another girl too scared and brainwashed to come forward.
	Tristan is a quieter, more ruthless version of Andrew, has a reputation for throwing women out of their homes, including his baby mama and child.
	Watch the quiet ones.
	Why do men with money think laws don't apply to them?
	The reason the Tates narrated and document all their dirty deeds is because no one spoke out.
	These two sex traffickers should have been stopped years ago.
	And it goes on.
	Murdered by crayons.
	The only defense to the Tate brothers have is to lie and deceive.
	A judge did not rule that the victim was lying or knew she was lying.
	Tate made the allegations and falsely...
	People who know the case is more are going to be more familiar with these allegations.
	He said the rape charge was thrown out.
	That is false.
	He was charged with rape in continued form because there are two material acts, but there's one victim.
	They transported the victims from their home countries in Romania.
	They harbored those victims in the houses made for sex workers, so they have multiple acts.
	They have recruitment, they have transportation, and they have harboring.
	They also have situations where they transferred those victims from one location to another location, from one sex workhouse to another sex workhouse.
	Trying to find the most egregious ones here.
	Okay.
	I'm going to bring this...
	Let's go down to the next paragraph here.
	These are the...
	Andrew Tate's The Realwood Pyramid Scheme.
	Okay, exposing lies.
	Andrew Tate's case.
	A lot of these are going to be in opinion matters, which I think are going to be struck when they go through this like they did with the Nicholas Sandman case.
	I don't know if anybody remembers the Nicholas Sandman case.
	They went through all of the allegations statement by statement in Nicholas Sandman and dismissed or allowed them to pursue one by one.
	Whether or not, in my view, this lawsuit alleges too many that are either clearly matters of opinion or matters of fact that can be corroborated, whether or not they would have been better off sticking to the most cut-and-dry accusations,
	time will tell.
	Whether or not it's going to...
	We'll see if they decide to make a motion to dismiss a lot of the defendants in this case who are taking to social media saying, we welcome this, now we get to go to discovery, and then there's going to be a disagreement or debate among lawyers as to what the scope and extent of that discovery is going to be and who might be more at risk in the context of that discovery.
	You will recall in the Dominion lawsuit...
	A lot of people are saying, great, now these people are being sued for defamation.
	Now we're going to get the codes of Dominion software.
	Now we're going to get access to the Dominion software because they've got to prove that the allegedly defamatory statements, for which a lot of these defendants were, I think, defaulted into bullshit judgments, they get to now prove that the statements were wrong.
	It didn't play out that way in Dominion for one reason or the other.
	Whether or not it's going to play out any differently in this case, time will tell.
	80% of those statements listed in those tables are
	to be struck as a matter of opinion, as a...
	Some of them, however, are going to be a little bit more difficult to walk back or attenuate.
	The ones where there's been accusations, specific accusations of criminal conduct, despite the fact that in subsequent posts or other posts, there were admissions that they knew that there had not been any convictions yet.
	But rather only charges.
	And I want to bring it up because it's not irrelevant.
	If I have it here.
	I know I have it here because I posted it yesterday.
	Here we go.
	This is a good one here.
	Here. And I was, you know, in responding to Murdered by Crayons, who's one of the accounts that's been, you know...
	Maybe they have a sincerely held belief.
	Maybe they do, and they're disregarding the safeness of their statements.
	But when we talk about defamatory per se, Tate is a child groomer, a rapist, and a human trafficker, not a mirror.
	Andrew Tate is a coward, a liar, a rapist, and a human trafficker.
	Now, you will also recall that Donald Trump just sued people, and I believe there was a settlement.
	And an apology, if I'm not mistaken, for people having called Trump a racist, even though he was unadjudicated, as the argument goes, rapist, because in that civil suit filed by that batshit crazy lady, E. Jean Carroll, which said no to rape,
	but yes to sexual abuse, this corrupt POS judge, Kaplan, who also deserves to be impeached and removed from the bench, said, well, you know, it's tantamount to it.
	Colloquially, it's rape, so we can call him a rapist.
	It's tantamount to rape, so therefore everybody in the media says he's an adjudicated rapist.
	Well, it didn't even work with Trump, let alone the fact that there was a civil suit in Trump that declared him liable for sexual abuse and a corrupt judge who then equated that to rape.
	Andrew Tate is a coward, liar, rapist, human trafficker.
	None of those things are masculine.
	Well, first of all, I tend to agree that a lot of Tate's advice is fundamentally bad alpha male advice.
	You want to be alpha male?
	Maybe raise a family and well-rounded kids.
	But then you have these two statements, just two random ones that I picked out.
	He's a rapist.
	He's a human trafficker.
	And then two here, which says, he's been formally charged for trafficking her as a minor.
	Those documents show her age was 17 and 24. The beating film was in 2012.
	Tate has been formally charged with trafficking her as a minor.
	Now, not to get too far into the weeds of defamation, that's the essence of it.
	You're going to have uphill battles for Tate in that the argument is going to be these statements are substantially true.
	He's been charged with human trafficking, not found guilty.
	They sincerely believe it.
	Yada, yada, yada.
	There's going to be an argument that Tate has made a sufficient amount of public statements on his own that will be used against him to support the substantial truthfulness of the statements, and I can understand that argument.
	There's going to be the argument of opinion.
	I didn't mean he was an adjudicated rapist or a convicted rapist.
	I just meant that he's being accused of rape and therefore I think he's guilty of rape and I'm going to call him a rapist.
	I have said for a long time you're better off not having a problem than having a solution to a problem you could have otherwise avoided.
	It's the old adage of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
	And now you have a bunch of defendants who think that they might be entitled to some discovery that's going to further prove the statements they made when my argument is It's not the gotcha that you think it is when you say, now I get to go depose you and ask for Discovery to confirm the statements that I already made,
	which would sort of confirm the fact that I made them in the absence of that evidence that's going to confirm them that I hope exists.
	There are a lot of free speech issues in this.
	There's a lot of actual malice that's going to play because the Tates are public figures, and the Tates have made a number of statements that might say either, A, they're defamation proof, but there's also the commercial interference part of this lawsuit, or...
	It's substantially true.
	Or don't call someone a rapist and a human trafficker when you recognize they've only been charged with it until such time as they've been convicted.
	And then after they have been convicted, you can call them that.
	And after they've been acquitted, if you still believe it, you can say, I believe OJ is a murderer despite his acquittal.
	All right, now I see our guest, Sam Cooper in the backdrop, who's going to come up and talk about some stuff in Canada.
	Oh, before, if I may, I don't want to read.
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	And forced name change says guilty unless proven innocent.
	Not until.
	Until means innocence is merely formality and guilt is a matter of time, not a matter of defense.
	Guilty unless.
	I think you meant innocent unless proven guilty, no?
	Either way, I think I understand the essence of what you're saying.
	All right, if you don't know who Sam Cooper is, you're going to know who he is now.
	You're going to want to know who he is now.
	And I've been waiting to get this interview for a long, long time.
	We're going to touch on the Canadian stuff, but this is going to touch on American stuff as well.
	I'm going to let Sam introduce himself, actually.
	Sam Cooper is an amazing Canadian journalist.
	One of the last of the true journalist kinds.
	Okay, that's it.
	That's all I'm going to do now.
	Add to stage.
	Mr. Cooper, sir, how goes the battle?
	Battle's going well, and I'm really glad to meet you.
	And when you say this is going to be about Canada, but it's also very much about the United States and what's going on in the world.
	Well, it's amazing, because I think this is going to open...
	I think everybody who watches this channel, although there's a lot of new people, know the degree to which...
	The Trump tariffs, or at least the Trump concerns about the border, were not pretextual in any way, shape, or form.
	They rely on the same talking points they get from the media here.
	Only 1% of fentanyl is caught from the border, so it's not a problem.
	But we'll get into all of it because you are, I mean, I won't say one of, you're one of a handful of true journalists left.
	Tell people who you are.
	So I've been in journalism for 20 years.
	I was thinking about going down your path of being a lawyer when I was my undergrad at University of Toronto.
	My family's been in Canada for a couple of generations.
	My parents went to U of T. Now my young son has just entered U of T. I did my history philosophy in English.
	I was going to be a lawyer.
	And then I just said...
	Yeah, I didn't like what was going on in the OJ trial so much at that time.
	Why don't I try to be a writer?
	But I can bring in, you know, the fact-finding, the love of truth, you know, the rigorous research, and try to find the biggest, craziest, you know, interesting stories in the world.
	And, you know, to jump to the chase, I was a young reporter in Vancouver when I finally got into it.
	I had my journalism degree, and I was really...
	Personally motivated because me and my family, you know, making pretty good money.
	We're doing pretty well in Canada, but we're priced out of the city and it's just rocketing away.
	So I had to figure out why Vancouver's prices were like 10 to 12 times a family income.
	You remember the U.S. subprime crisis, how the American dream was stolen from a lot of people, you know, through subprime, dirty loans, etc.
	I discovered, to jump to the chase, that Vancouver's housing prices were materially supported by offshore money laundering, narcotics funds pouring in from China, and laundered through Canadian government casinos, Canadian real estate,
	to the point where this is a decade ago where I started this journey of understanding what's behind Vancouver and Toronto's real estate prices.
	Now I can say...
	Trillions, over a trillion dollars has been laundered through Toronto and Vancouver real estate through what came to be known as the Vancouver model of Chinese transnational money laundering.
	And that was a phrase termed by a professor who started looking at my work at the Vancouver Sun.
	And so that's the quick intro.
	Look, I'm a journalist that...
	I think it's important to say I was motivated by why myself and young people, hardworking Canadians, taxpaying Canadians, were being priced out of cities.
	And I was at the start of a curve that I believe is now the driving issue in Canada for young people.
	They believe they'll never have a home and they're right unless something deep changes.
	But so many places to go.
	I guess the last thing I would say is, look, I've always felt...
	Canadians and Americans are two sides.
	We're brothers and sisters.
	There's a lot of tension going on now, but we can never really be separated.
	We're so close, and yet I do believe Canada, the government, has lost the plot.
	And Washington, not just Donald Trump, but at a state level, they're deeply concerned that Canada, like the Caribbean, like Latin America, is being infiltrated by...
	Chinese organized crime, Chinese state actors, and at the end of the day, it's an attack on America.
	Okay, it's wild, and you said a lot.
	I don't know if we want to start present or back to present.
	For anybody who doesn't know Vancouver, we talked about it yesterday, Vancouver is...
	I don't mean to...
	It's going to sound terrible.
	Mandarin is the second language.
	The Chinese population in Vancouver, it's always been known.
	It's never been an issue in the sense that...
	It's the way Vancouver developed.
	You say its closest landing point in Canada to China, to Asia.
	The property prices in Vancouver have always been wild.
	It's only been, I'd say, more recent in Toronto.
	Explain that to us in terms of how, say, the Chinese money ended up owning so much real estate in Vancouver and that interplay with the government, whichever government was in charge at that time.
	Yeah, so I will break this down a little bit more slowly.
	I moved to Vancouver in 2003.
	At this point, prices were already...
	Probably about a million dollars per home on average.
	And Vancouver, the family income is down at like 60 to 70,000 at that time.
	This is not like San Francisco, New York, Boston, you know, an American city with like really strong financial economy, right?
	Vancouver, it's a really beautiful looking place.
	But I discovered to, you know, to break it down very simply, from the late 80s and 90s, major funds start flowing.
	These are, you know, really Hong Kong tycoons bought up the city.
	And, you know, people didn't have a big problem with that.
	You know, no one was digging too deep into the real nature of that money.
	But I discovered through years of work that these Hong Kong tycoons...
	Are the very same people that are just getting the boot out of Panama now through the State Department saying, and Donald Trump saying, we can't have Chinese businessmen that we know are working for Beijing and we know, whether they say this or not,
	Marco Rubio, we know are working or are organized crime.
	They can't control that choke point of Panama, you know, if God forbid a war happens.
	So this is what was happening in Vancouver from the late 80s.
	A man named Li Ka-shing.
	Again, key to Panama, bought up 20% of Vancouver, and it goes from there.
	His name is Ka-Shing?
	I mean, I'm not even making fun of the...
	You know, you've got to reverse it, so last name first, Li-Li Ka-Shing.
	But Ka-Shing, yeah, he makes a lot of Ka-Shing.
	This is the richest guy in Asia, but the key thing here is, and my work showed, he's rich partly because he's working for the Chinese Communist Party, and the...
	The allegations in documents, I know I'm talking to a lawyer here, Western Intelligence, there's no secret.
	You can find it in congressional hearings from the U.S. military.
	Mr. Li Keqing, who, by the way, again, 20% of Vancouver, he buys it up to develop in late 80s.
	He is connected to Chinese military and allegedly what are called triads of Hong Kong.
	So that's one of the most powerful transnational crime organizations.
	Let me just jump up to the future.
	I went from the 80s, 90s, 2010s.
	By then, by 2010, I had determined that about 30% of every real estate dollar spent in Vancouver is coming through what's called underground banking.
	And so this is how people get their money out of China, essentially by going to Chinatown, anywhere in the world, and Vancouver's got a huge one, taking out a loan.
	And a cash loan and laundering it through casinos and real estate.
	The trick here is this is drug cash.
	And there are these underground banks around the world.
	But that's the Vancouver story that I just dove right into until no one else understood this better than myself.
	I guess, fundamental question.
	Why the initial investment in real estate in Canada?
	Is it to get money out of China into foreign lands where they can, I don't know, either launder it or...
	Is it a long-term military objective to infiltrate and take over Canada as of the 80s?
	Or is this just criminal money trying to get it out of China so that they can dispose of it in foreign countries?
	That's a lawyer's mind question.
	And there's two things going on.
	Canada's FinCEN, it's called FinTrack, says this is a symbiotic trade.
	In China, you know, the communist...
	Firewall, you're only supposed to take out 50,000 US dollars per year.
	That's their capital control.
	But as you know, corruption is completely endemic in China to get to the top.
	You're taking bribes, you're working through organized crime.
	And so to get around that...
	You know, if you're ultra wealthy in China and you want to get some money into Vancouver, Boston, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, again, you make a deal with a gangster in the city where you want to land.
	Let's focus on Vancouver.
	You say, I want to get a million out.
	I can't take it from my bank in China.
	I'm going to show up outside a casino in Vancouver.
	You're going to give me, you know, a million in cash and I can launder it through that Canadian government casino.
	Because the government doesn't care.
	They're in on it.
	I gamble that money.
	I get a check out of there or I get my cash back in nice bankrolls.
	I can put my down payment on my condo.
	They also don't do due diligence in Canada for the real estate.
	Remember, you're in Florida.
	This is like Miami Vice, 1980s, all the Latin American money pouring in.
	Same thing in Vancouver, but it was all China.
	Let's circle back.
	You get that million-dollar drug cash loan, gamble it, and you pay.
	Back in China, where that organized crime entity also has banking, and this jumps into, you know, once you pay back, it pays for the fentanyl precursors, more fentanyl comes into North America, they collect the cash, repeat the cycle.
	So this is what's the Vancouver model of real estate, and I'm saying 30% of, should be about 30% of the real estate market is supported by that money from China that's coming through underground.
	Is it commercial, residential, or a mix of both?
	It's a mix of both.
	Remember, I'm talking about Hong Kong tycoons buying up lands in the 1980s.
	They're developing condo towers, and they got rich by being involved in organized crime.
	Point blank.
	This gets back to your first question.
	Is it just a way to get money out of China, or is it a strategic way?
	To get a foothold in Canada?
	Look, Western intelligence believes that this is a strategic play.
	This is why China has these police stations planted in North America.
	They're going to keep their eye on you if you get your money out.
	And they're going to do something to you and send you back to China unless you are working for Beijing.
	So it's absolutely, I'm going on what I believe and what people told me.
	You know, maybe five years ago, and I still couldn't believe them.
	I'm talking about law enforcement intelligence.
	They said, this isn't just money laundering.
	This is Chinese Communist Party military strategy.
	They want to get a foothold in your cities.
	So that answers your question.
	Two things going on.
	Yeah, well, I mean, it's an amazing...
	And I guess, like, you know, Chinese Communist Party expansion, who the heck are they going to work with other than actual gang criminals?
	And it's a win-win for both criminal activity and for Chinese Communist Party expansion.
	Absolutely. I don't know what the rules were in the 80s and 90s.
	Now, I presume there's a little bit of verification as to where the funds are coming from.
	In terms of foreign nationals or even foreigners buying up real estate in the 80s and 90s, was there any regulation on it whatsoever or minimal?
	It was just pure Wild West in Vancouver in the 1980s and 90s.
	It was my work.
	It took until 20...
	17, when I broke the story of the Vancouver model, this launched a commission into money laundering, which as a Canadian, you know, when there's a big problem, they call a commission, they table all the documents, and nothing happens.
	So the problem has gotten worse.
	Here's the key.
	Casino money laundering, a data point from that money laundering commission, $1.4 billion in cash was laundered through British Columbia.
	Canadian government regulated casinos in one year.
	One year.
	And that is just, of course, the tip of the iceberg of real estate, which is the bigger piece.
	And Canadian banks are deeply involved.
	And I'll tell you this, because you know I could ramble on for a while, but this is very interesting and key.
	During the pandemic, when the Canadian government casinos are locked down, Chinese organized crime shifts and evolves.
	They open up their own underground.
	They're not underground.
	They were mansion casinos.
	So imagine in the United States, in a state, you've got a 50-room mansion that everyone can see it.
	Chinese organized crime was running these illegal mansion casinos in broad daylight.
	And so while those government casinos are locked down in the pandemic, they're evolving that way, and they're laundering money directly through Canadian banks.
	They're using the same people.
	They would hire students to walk into casinos with that cash.
	They would hire students to front bank accounts.
	And so this continues to happen to this day in Canada, in our major banks.
	And I believe, and I can tell you because I'm conversant with...
	Officials in Washington, they're not worried about a backpack of fentanyl coming across the British Columbia border into Washington as much as they're worried about how Canadian banks are used at scale.
	So your question was, has it changed?
	Has it gotten harder?
	No. Our Canadian banks are used in a more sophisticated way to launder multi-billions of dollars.
	Holy hell, Sam.
	Okay, now I got a lot of questions.
	There was a story recently.
	When was it that it was a mansion casino?
	Like you were talking about, there was a political scandal to it where there were politicians involved in going to this house in, I want to say, was it in Toronto?
	Close to, it was in Markham.
	So this is, yeah, you know, just a suburb of Toronto, ultra wealthy.
	Pretty high population of Chinese mainland migrants.
	And yes, I did a number of stories digging deeper into the nature of that mansion.
	What the Markham or York Regional Police say is, this was a facility to abet prostitution.
	It was a facility to abet...
	You know, funds for drug trafficking, to launder funds.
	And the real key here, there it is.
	You know, look, this is broad daylight in Canada.
	This is a mansion.
	I mean, talk about...
	Wow. Every time I look at that, look at...
	You know, you can see some gangsters there.
	There are other pictures where you got Canadian police geared up like they're, you know, the Mexican army going in for a raid.
	And that really makes sense because this is called...
	What's running this show is called The Company.
	This is a network of the leaders of Global Triad set up in Markham, Ontario.
	They were running prostitution there.
	They were running just tremendous money laundering.
	And my information showed Canadian intelligence was interested because Chinese officials were there allegedly trying to corrupt Canadian politicians.
	This enrages me more than anything because...
	I'm a very, despite appearances, I'm a very, I don't want to say kosher, I'm a very simple person.
	The idea of these, you know, gambling debts, hookers and prostitutes, and the shit that they have on Canadian politicians, because I remember at the time that they were saying the list of frequenters of this place involved Canadian politicians.
	Some people say, well, you know, it's just bumping elbows with the rich donors.
	Or it's a freaking blackmail scheme that you get them in there, much like Epstein's Island, but on a smaller scale, and you own these politicians in Canadian Parliament to not ever address this problem.
	Do we know who the politicians were that were involved in this?
	Well, I am not...
	I'm afraid at liberty to say...
	Due to legal things going on in Canada, but there were a number of reports there, and what I was searching for, it reminds me of Great Gatsby, right?
	When you look at that mansion, but it's the Chinese intelligence and organized crime version.
	This is how they get their hooks into the elite of Toronto and Canada.
	Look, I reported, based on Canadian government sources that came to me, they said York Regional Police captured videotapes inside the mansion that raised the concern that Canadian politicians could have been exposed to activities with women and that this could be a scheme of the Chinese state to,
	as you say, get their hooks in and leverage.
	Call it a mini Epstein Island.
	An intelligence play involving Chinese organized crime leveraged by Chinese intelligence.
	So yes, this is what I'm told by, you know, your American, you know, viewers won't be as familiar with the scandal that broke in Canada about China interfering in elections.
	I'm the one that broke that story.
	And the same people that brought that story to me because they knew that I understood the Vancouver model and how China is using crime.
	They said, look, there's more to that Markham story.
	And it's about China using organized crime to corrupt Canadian politicians.
	Well, we're going to flesh it out.
	I've covered the story, but we've talked about it on the channel, China interfering with the Canadian elections.
	Can you flesh it out exactly what happened?
	I mean, there are the superficial elements of busing in Chinese students.
	I don't know if they were there to vote or impact the liberal.
	I don't know.
	I call them primaries.
	But can you flesh out the Chinese influence and how it how it did impact or interplayed
	of elections?
	Yeah, so the big story that I broke before I started my own platform, the Bureau, when I was with Global News, you know, a national broadcaster, was that in the 2019 election, Canadian federal election, Canadian intelligence based
	out of Toronto discovered that China's corruption networks, which are called the United Front Work Department, working through the Chinese consulate, leveraging local so-called diaspora community leaders,
	together with Canadian political candidates and their staff, were involved in a clandestine election interference ring.
	And this came from documents that I read and reported on 11 people.
	Federal election candidates in 2019, just in the Toronto area, were alleged to be either, you know, working knowingly with Beijing.
	You talked about buses and students going in to support a certain candidate.
	So 11 candidates.
	Some of them, according to Canadian intelligence, were very knowing and working with China.
	Some of them not so aware.
	But nevertheless, the allegation is that China chose 11 candidates.
	And supported them through what's called its United Front Work Department.
	And not to get off track, but this is the same entity that's cited in the, you know, the New York State corruption case where you got a high-level political staffer working for two governors.
	And what she was doing was blocking engagement with Taiwan, you know, crafting speeches for the governors.
	She's part of the United Front.
	I want to make that connection.
	Because it's the same thing in Canada.
	Okay. Part of the same organization or like intertwined with the Canadian?
	And this is Hochul.
	And who was the other governor?
	And Cuomo.
	So yeah, this is what I want to explain.
	Xi Jinping has something called the United Front Work Department.
	Again, they have interlinkages with immigrants around the world who they call overseas Chinese.
	And they actually believe they have communist loyalty to people, even though they're citizens of other countries.
	So they send out, you know, spy masters among the community and they leverage local politicians.
	They try to plant people like that staffer with Hocul and Cuomo and get them to influence the people.
	So this is exactly what was happening in the Canadian election interference story.
	But because we're Canada, we don't have any charges resulting out of that finding that...
	In the 2019 election, 11 candidates just in the Toronto area.
	And this is important in Canada right now because, as you know, we're facing a new election.
	Nothing has changed.
	But that was just one major story that I broke.
	It gets into the Chinese police stations, connections with underground casinos, and it does connect to the United States.
	It's wild.
	It's like Tom Clancy.
	I don't even know if that's the right author.
	This is wild level stuff.
	Do we not mention the names of the 11 politicians because no charges have been caught?
	And I'm not saying this, I'm not trying to make fun, like nobody wants to get sued.
	Is there a reason why we don't know their names or why?
	Well, personally, reporting for the national news media, and I heard you in an intro talk about legal sort of niceties in saying various things, I was subject of, let me count them, I named...
	I named a number of politicians and that resulted in, and by the way, all facts essentially supported in a following government inquiry, which, while whitewashing the deeper issues, affirmed the facts that I reported.
	But the thing here is that politicians were named, those politicians sued.
	And as you know, Canada is a sort of a weaker freedom of speech.
	Freedom of Media Expression Jurisdiction.
	So if you want to name them, but I believe that there's some procedures coming up very quickly in Canada.
	And I probably won't serve me to name.
	Let's just say that they are Chinese Canadians that allegedly were knowingly working for this united front.
	That's the essence of the story.
	And it's the same alligator.
	There he is.
	Well, this is New York Times.
	So go after the New York Times.
	A Canadian lawmaker testifies Chinese students were bused in to elect him.
	Handong, I remember that name.
	A member of parliament who was accused of benefiting from the Chinese government's help testified at a public hearing on foreign interference.
	I mean, he benefits from it and then he becomes the witness to try to root out the corruption even though...
	So this is the story that I broke.
	Mr. Don strongly denies the allegations that he was aware that Chinese proxies allegedly bust in Chinese international students into a Toronto riding in 2019 to support him in the nomination or primary,
	if you want to call it, you know.
	To make him the candidate to run an election.
	And the key thing here is that Canadian intelligence says you don't have to fix an election in Canada.
	You just have to pick a riding that you believe is going to vote, you know, Democratic or Republican for Americans, Conservative or Liberal Canada.
	So you pick the one that you know your party is going to win, and then you get a nominee in there.
	And if you support them, and if they're dirty...
	They're going to be working for China.
	That's the theory.
	That's the allegation.
	Was the accusation that the buses were brought in during the Liberal race for the candidate or during the federal election itself?
	During the Liberal race, this candidate won the nomination.
	And as far as I understand, my last word was there was still an Elections Canada investigation ongoing into events around that riding.
	And so, look, I don't care what lawyer you are in Canada.
	The amount of alleged activities in that riding, anyone looking at it can say, that's pretty scary.
	And yet, let's be fair, this individual, yes, he has used his right to file a lawsuit and says he had no involvement in any wrongdoing.
	Everybody who's watching, because I talk enough about Canada that they know that the judiciary is in lockstep with the government.
	It seems that the police or the authorities are to some extent in lockstep with the government.
	So you get a powerful political individual suing an independent...
	Oh, I don't know if you're independent, but I don't mean like that.
	Suing a journalist.
	You know where...
	You could flip that coin and know which side it's going to land on every time because both sides are the same.
	Handong, so he was running.
	Among other liberals, and I presume, was he the only Chinese liberal running?
	Or were there others that they're just hedging their bets as to who wins?
	In that writing, there were a couple of people of Chinese Canadians and, you know, whether more comes out of that elections Canada investigation there, there were a few candidates because it's a writing, you know,
	very heavily populated by Hong Kong and more recently, much more mainland China immigrants.
	And look, I've reported, you know, not talking about specific politicians, but...
	I've reported on documents that literally say, you know, Canadian intelligence overheard Chinese consulate officials saying that Chinese immigrants are very easy to influence for Beijing, and therefore Beijing believes election to election, it likes its chances more in Canada because it's getting,
	you know, as the population of migration goes up, Beijing thinks it can influence those people.
	And at the end of the day, they want to protect the regime in Beijing.
	That's what Canadian intelligence believes.
	People can call me a xenophobe if they want, but born in Shanghai, moves to Canada, 18-20% of Canadian MPs are born outside of Canada or are not born Canadian citizens, and you wonder how and why this happens.
	Bring it back a little bit to the connection to the Panama Canal and what Trump is doing there, because I think people don't understand, Trump is not an idiot.
	He knows more than most people when he makes certain decisions or makes certain statements.
	And he makes very few mistakes on purpose.
	Sorry, by accident, I should say.
	I made a note.
	Let me get into Panama.
	But what you said, I mean, I got a little story to share because you just triggered me a little bit.
	Look, we all know by now that all Western intelligence says that the lab in Wuhan was the originator of the pandemic that killed millions.
	And we still don't have justice on that.
	I mean, it hasn't been proven in court, but MI6, CIA, FBI.
	Look, I was told by one of these people that helped me break stories.
	When President Trump said, you know, if you remember, he knows it came out of Wuhan.
	He can't tell you why.
	He can't say any more.
	This takes me back to around 2020.
	I was talking to a Canadian intelligence official for a reason, and they said, Trump's not wrong.
	He's correct.
	And we know it in Canada, too.
	So it was very difficult for me to live through the pandemic knowing that.
	And, you know, this is the nature of my work.
	I know some things just because I developed a lot of knowledge.
	People in government know that I understand, so they'll share something.
	To your point, yeah, Trump, I mean, I think he's muddying the waters in terms of, you know, trade, security.
	But at the end of the day, it is correct that...
	China and the U.S. are getting very close to war, so much closer than most people know.
	I've traveled to Taiwan at the invitation of their government.
	I know how close war is.
	Trump is worried about Panama, again, because China uses people like Mr. Li Ka-shing, who has about 40 ports around the world.
	But as the US military, people can go into congressional hearings and say, you know, from a former general or admiral saying, Li Keqing is a front for Chinese military intelligence.
	It's not exactly him owning those ports in Panama, but he is working with the Beijing state in a very complex way.
	So Trump, Rubio, you know, whoever you want to say, the CIA, FBI, the US military, they're concerned that...
	When we go kinetic in a war, China will blockade or have control of that choke point.
	And it's the same story I'm arguing.
	In Mexico, people look at cartels.
	Not very many people know that Chinese organized crime, perhaps, you know, predominant to the cartels in terms of, you know, being the financiers.
	And providing the fentanyl precursors, etc., etc.
	So the U.S. government is very concerned about Chinese influence in Mexico.
	They're concerned in Canada as well, which is hard for people to understand.
	And I think that gets to the whole fentanyl, the tariffs.
	What I'm telling you is it's really about Canadian banks, Canadian politicians, Canadian real estate.
	The U.S. government is concerned about Panama like it's concerned about Canada.
	It makes a lot of sense where discussion about Greenland never existed before a couple of months ago and never existed before Trump won the election.
	Discussion about the Panama Canal and the control of it or the problems of it never existed until now.
	And people are saying, you know, it's to secure trade routes.
	Maybe. But it might also be because Trump does, like you say now, if he knows that we're closer to a kinetic war than most people know, the urgency to secure North America, the continent, and the north of North America, the emphasis becomes understandable,
	because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
	Absolutely. And you know what?
	When you say it's never come up before, actually, people can go to the Congress.
	It's Senator Congress, 1997.
	An admiral comes in and testifies, and he says, we are a little bit worried that Bill Clinton and the Gore administration has allowed Li Ka Shing and this company called Hutchison Wampua.
	To buy access to the Panama Canal.
	We are concerned because Li Ka-shing has connections to Chinese military fronts, right?
	So actually, it has come up before.
	And what do you know?
	It's sort of that same dichotomy between the Democrats being a lot more opening.
	To Chinese money and investment.
	And I could just ramble on about there was something called Chinagate in 1995 when Bill Clinton welcomed, you know, what we now know is, you know, a Chinese gangster into the White House about 10 times.
	So all of this was going on in the 90s in the States, and it's only bubbled up to the surface again now.
	This is sort of, you know, I studied a little bit of history in the University of Toronto, and that allows me to bring history into my journalism.
	I'm getting...
	The more you talk, the more terrified I'm getting in terms of now, you know...
	Americans should be terrified, yeah.
	Well, in retrospect, and appreciating what, you know, calling him Beijing Joe or Beijing Biden and his level of either corruption or being bought out by and owned by Chinese interests...
	Okay, so hold on.
	Panama Canal.
	There's been some disagreement as to what is actually going on in the Panama Canal.
	China, who controls it?
	And what is the level of Chinese control slash involvement with the Panama Canal?
	Because I don't think many people even ever appreciated that before two months ago.
	Yeah, so it's very similar in a way to Vancouver, but much more important.
	Who controls it is that Chinese investors, like Li Ka-shing, richest man in Asia, Own a tremendous amount of real estate, own the port, own a lot of factories.
	So you could say there's a Panamanian government, but in effect, I mean, if you really break it down, and if you believe what the U.S. government and intelligence believes, China owns it, right?
	I mean, and I'm not joking here.
	I've read Canadian government documents that say Belize is literally owned by Chinese triads.
	And when I say owned...
	You know, the Chinese triads have bribed the highest levels of government.
	So, yeah, you can own a Latin American nation as China, and yet China is not on the sticker as the government.
	You know, that's pretty...
	We could get deeper, but it's simply about, you know, what is called...
	They call them Belt and Road deals, where China makes infrastructure investments in sort of...
	Poorer nations.
	And by owning ports or extending 99-year loans, they get significant control of critical infrastructure.
	So that's what's going on in Panama.
	Okay. I mean, that's interesting and it explains.
	Are you familiar with Michael Yon?
	Yes. Okay.
	And because there's two people that I respect.
	His position on this was, I think, more in line with what you're describing and different from another individual who I also very much respect and appreciate.
	Indirect, tacit ownership or control over what was given to Panama through America.
	Okay. Yeah, let me put a fine point.
	They call them proxies.
	So again, this is the same thing going on in Canadian cities, going on in the Chinese police station story.
	You've got a local businessman of extreme wealth, a Chinese immigrant, and Chinese intelligence finds a way to make them work for Beijing.
	Proxy ownership.
	I'm a total buffoon.
	It's a series of canals.
	It's not an open waterway.
	And the ownership, I mean, I presume the fact that it's a series of locks makes the Chinese ownership over land more effective?
	Well, I mean, Panama, of course, owns it on paper, but the U.S. government concern is if Li Keqing, this Hong Kong multi-billionaire, owns the port, then if Xi Jinping, the Chinese president,
	tells him to shut it down and the U.S. wants to send Merchant Marine or something through...
	You know, effectively, China has control.
	And, you know, I've made the kind of military connection.
	It's not a stretch at all because, look, Taiwan, they've just put out an intelligence report in the past two months that says China uses organized crime in Taiwan to establish like a shadow sort of military force within the society.
	So if a war happens, China will use organized crime in other nations, you know, especially ones like Taiwan.
	Holy hell.
	Okay. Now, bringing it back up to the north and bringing it back up to Canada, the Chinese police stations, which were reported on, denied by legacy media to some extent.
	The purpose of these police stations, these are effectively to blackmail, extort, surveil Chinese Canadians or Chinese people who are in Canada, or even Chinese Canadian born Chinese who have family back in China in order to coerce behavior
	and
	Absolutely. This is like really in my wheelhouse.
	So I'll tell you this.
	You showed that picture of that great Gatsby's mansion in Markham.
	Look, my proven intelligence sources say the Chinese police station story in Toronto.
	Can be connected very clearly to that casino mansion that is people with interest in the mansion are the same so-called wealthy local Chinese businessmen that are involved allegedly in running the Chinese police stations.
	And so how that works is, you know, you've got a wealthy guy that owns a grocery store in Markham.
	You know, that grocery store can be turned into an unofficial.
	Chinese embassy, literally.
	And so you got a Chinese intelligence official will travel in, talk to the local gangster, say, we want to yank this guy in that's criticizing Xi Jinping on Facebook, or, you know, is, you know, raising a ruckus about what's happening with the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
	You can pull them in your grocery store, let them know that we're interested in questioning them.
	And so that's a way for the Chinese police state to operate on Canadian soil.
	And, you know, as you know, it's happening in New York State exactly the same way.
	A lot of it involves migrants from the province called Fujian, which is, you know, just a very gang-infested Chinese southern coastal area, which interestingly is right across from Taiwan.
	I'll tell you one more example here in the police station file.
	Montreal, they had one of these so-called police stations, and I kid you not, it was a community service.
	Supposedly for giving, you know, services to Chinese migrants to help them adjust to Canadian society.
	They were getting Canadian government funding to do this.
	And this was one of the alleged Chinese police stations.
	So they're gathering, you know, identity data from Canadian citizens, but really they are Chinese police.
	So it's just an incredible intelligence operation, right?
	They're on Canadian soil.
	Getting money from Canada to quote-unquote provide services, but they're really gaining intelligence from those people they want to monitor.
	It's going to be a stupid question.
	Why isn't the government doing anything about it?
	Is it lack of means?
	Is it already adequate infiltration?
	Is it fear?
	Or is it a combination of all three?
	This should be relatively easy to remedy.
	This is quite clearly an issue of national security.
	It's quite clearly...
	A known problem, a documented problem.
	Why has nothing been done at the government level?
	Right. So I would point to maybe two or three points.
	One, the United States, as you know, has a FAR, a Foreign Agent Registration Act.
	And each and every successful prosecution so far there in New York State, they hit these local proxy Chinese businessmen and say, we got text messages between you and this.
	Ministry of Public Security in Fujian Province, you know, arranging to run the police station, arranging to go harass this guy on Long Island, or, you know, we've got a tape of the guy that you were talking to, you know, kind of like walking up to the door, painting it red,
	leaving, you know, threatening letters that the Chinese police want to send this guy back to China.
	Look, the United States can prosecute him by saying, you are working for China because we got your text messages.
	You're saying you're doing it.
	You're getting paid, you're getting benefits, but you didn't register as a foreign agent, right?
	So it's just an easy slam-dunk case.
	Should be.
	In Canada, we don't have that, right?
	And as you know, I mean, Canada also has a Charter of Rights, which is supposed to be, you know, very good protection against government overreach.
	But my work shows it's used by, you know, Chinese, Russian, Iranian, lots of bad people working for foreign governments.
	Have protection against, you know, prosecution.
	The other thing, as you said, is this kind of like is the fix-in.
	Look, I can tell you that speaking to this Montreal CCP police station, a key Canadian senator has stood in front of there and said, Canadian police, you know, I support these poor people suing you because you haven't proven your case and you're now discriminating against Chinese Canadians.
	This is a powerful Canadian senator named Yuan Pao Wu, who, by the way, you know, is very, you know, supportive of all Beijing's policy and talking points in Canada's house.
	So does that indicate that Canada's government isn't really behind, you know, prosecuting there?
	That's only one example.
	I could point to a lot more kind of smoky cases like that.
	I want to make the lighthearted joke that I presume you don't eat in Chinatown restaurants anymore.
	If they have spies who are out or agents out, I presume they might not like you too much.
	I'll tell you.
	I've shared this story before, but I'm personally not a fearful person.
	I have some security measures and some training, etc.
	But I was...
	I was in 2023 after I broke the story of, you know, the Chinese interference in police stations.
	Canadian national security police visited me and said they had learned about a threat towards me.
	I'm still here and I'm still, you know, doing my best to protect Canada and maybe get some real laws in place because I don't think Canadian journalists should be getting those types of threats.
	And I did get one, but I'm here.
	No, look, I think the Canadian journalists don't get it because they don't do the work that you're doing because they seem to be working in finance by the very same government that's infiltrated by the very people you're investigating.
	Hold on.
	Is this as endemic to the Conservatives as it is to the Liberals?
	No, my research, which is based on documentation, is that the Liberal Party of Canada is the favoured party of...
	Beijing, that is, is more supported by these united front networks.
	And I think we, well, not to get off topic, yeah, so, but all the documents also say that the conservatives and the NDP, the other major party, are targeted.
	And I'll give you an example, you know, back to Vancouver, I have worked on and exposed cases where a key Chinese proxy operative has supported a leader of the NDP.
	I believe, has supported a leadership candidate for the Conservatives, have supported Liberals.
	So again, it goes across...
	Beijing doesn't care about politics per se, but if you are the Liberals or the Democrats in the United States and you open your doors more to donations, influence, then that's going to be what it's going to be.
	You'll be more infiltrated.
	Phenomenally interesting.
	At least I get to criticize the liberals as being more Chinese infiltrated than the conservatives, although the conservatives don't have totally clean hands.
	Do you understand why Pierre Poilievre doesn't want to agree to whatever would be required to in order to have access to who the 11 or so politicians that have been infiltrated are?
	Yeah, that became a big story in Canada.
	And, you know, my take on that is the liberals...
	Are much more open to corruption and foreign influence.
	But the party of Pierre Polyev certainly does have its problems with regards to China.
	I know one conservative senator, he actually just retired, should be involved in these Toronto Chinese organized crime corruption targeting.
	Let's put it that way.
	And Mr. Polyev, certainly, if he gets the security clearance, he is going to learn of some concerning cases with regards to China, India, and other nations in his party.
	Having said that, it's my belief that the Conservative Party is more...
	Has more concern for security with regards to foreign interference, but their hands are not clean at all.
	Okay. And what were the terms that Pierre would not agree to in order to get the clearance?
	I forget what it was.
	I can Google it afterwards.
	It's to do with, I mean, his argument is if I get...
	Non-disclosure, that he can't divulge the information.
	Exactly. And, you know, some people think there's something to that argument.
	He can't be a critic.
	He can't slam the government in the same way, you know, when...
	No, it's a good way of gagging Pierre into an upcoming election and say, oh, you agreed not to talk about it, but now you know, but you can't use it against them.
	True, yeah.
	Okay, I want to say it humorously.
	Is Theresa Tam a man?
	I've seen allegations online that Theresa Tam was once a man.
	I mean, I've seen those headlines, but I have dug no deep print to them that I have about a French leading couple at all.
	I have no idea.
	Fair enough.
	All right.
	It's a very nice shirt.
	Get out and close the door.
	Okay, now, so we're talking the upcoming election now will be declared.
	I mean, I guess the concerns of every Canadian out there are not just wholly legitimate, but...
	They don't even know how concerned they should be, is basically what I'm surmising from this.
	100%. I mean, just in evidence, during the campaign, the Chinese Communist Party used WeChat, that is their communist-controlled Mandarin messaging system.
	It's like, I don't know, Facebook Messenger for the diaspora from China.
	And they attacked...
	Mark Carney's main opponent, Chrystia Freeland, which is interesting because, you know, she had, among the Liberals, she had actually taken a bit of regulatory action against a bank that allegedly China was trying to control in Toronto.
	So very clearly Mark Carney is...
	The favorite of Beijing, much like Justin Trudeau, was the favorite of Beijing.
	And I've done a dive on the Bureau about how Carney running Brookfield has some major investments in Chinese commercial real estate in Shanghai with a Hong Kong tycoon.
	And if you're following what I've been saying about Hong Kong tycoons and their connections to Beijing, I mean, that should raise some big question marks for Canadian voters and probably in Washington, too.
	Now that you mention it, when we know, at least we got out of some Pierre Poilier, Mark Carney back and forth a while back, he's admitted that they're invested in pipelines in nations or countries that don't have the same regulations that we have, developing nations.
	To what extent are those pipelines or those resources in foreign countries themselves Chinese-owned, into which Brookfield Assets Management is investing in the foreign country that's not China?
	But which has China exploited resources in those countries?
	That's a brilliant question.
	So I know because I've reported on it, Mark Carney through...
	A global net zero initiative is involved himself in a Brazil infrastructure play with a Chinese communist controlled sort of international bank.
	So that's not Brookfield per se, but that's Mark Carney being involved in Brazil with the Chinese Communist Party controlled development bank.
	So that sort of thing within Brookfield, I'm certain that, you know, because I've seen Brookfield is involved in Chinese supposedly, you know, green infrastructure initiatives, I believe in Latin America.
	And that comes back to the sort of Panama thing, right?
	If Brookfield and Mark Carney are deeply into infrastructure with Beijing money in Latin America.
	I just put two and two together and connected the dots.
	This blew my mind.
	I've been saying for the last while that the boycott, the 100% tariff on Tesla only benefits China.
	You know, not knowing what you know, but just being mildly suspicious because everything that they're doing right now in terms of fighting the Trump tariffs only benefits China.
	Everything that they're doing in terms of energy crippling policy in Canada only benefits China.
	And this all makes the most depressing amount of sense conceivable.
	In terms of, you know, if China is behind green policy, and if we want to use the military playbook, that they would want to limit other countries that do have, you know, carbon-powered fuel, or, you know, if they want to limit Elon Musk in what he's doing and leverage him,
	yeah, those are all from the military playbook.
	And I don't even consider it green energy, because I do not consider the EV batteries to be greener than gas, but the argument is...
	In terms of getting the rare earth minerals, if you don't develop it within North America and you cripple the American companies, it's only going to benefit China in every respect.
	Let me add one to you.
	You know, being Canadian, how much control for jurisdiction the indigenous people have in the rare earth areas.
	They own the land.
	They own the land and China, of course, is deeply involved in China probably has a better chance of getting those minerals than Canada because Canada is so broken in terms of governance.
	But certainly every play that's going on in global energy, China is making a levered effort to try to control resources in other lands.
	It explains absolutely everything.
	And it's amazing that you actually have Canadian politicians in their fight against America and they're cloaking themselves in the Canadian flag are fighting literally for China.
	The fentanyl business, because this was actually what we should have, you know, what got us
	Yeah. If it were China trying to poison...
	Which they've been doing in record numbers.
	The fighting age generation of America.
	Explain what their connection is to the fentanyl production, fentanyl crisis in America, but in Canada in particular.
	Yeah, no, you nailed it there.
	And this is the type of thing where I wrote a book in 2021 called Willful Blindness when this was like so far out there, leading edge thought that, I mean, my police and intelligence sources were saying.
	Fentanyl is not just about organized crime.
	It's not just about Chinese organized crime, right?
	It's about precursors produced in Chinese factories that Beijing, if it doesn't want those precursors to go out and harm other people, it can crush them.
	It will stop them very easily.
	But the American government knew that for some reason, Beijing was not stopping those precursors.
	You know, fentanyl is banned because the U.S. government gets angry.
	Then they just, like, tweak a few chemicals and send a new precursor out, send it into the West Coast of Mexico, send it into the West Coast of Canada, and that becomes your offshore production node where you have significant Chinese organized crime.
	Using the infrastructure, the money laundering infrastructure, again, let's focus on that Vancouver model.
	There's just the real estate, the casinos.
	And so you produce the fentanyl there, you ship it to Australia, New Zealand, around the world from Vancouver.
	A lot of it, I believe, much more than people know, going down into the States and just through very sophisticated trades.
	In Canada, they're even sending it from Mexico into California.
	We could go on and on about how I understand the pipes and squeakers of the finance and how China wants this to happen, but people don't have to take my word.
	There's a great Canadian mayor in Vancouver named Brad West.
	He was so vocal about China essentially taking blood money and killing Canadians, one of the few politicians ahead of the curve that we hear now in Washington, that in 2023, Antony Blinken came up and visited him.
	I've talked to this mayor from Canada and he disclosed that Mr. Blinken said, look, we know that as the American government knows, Beijing wants to harm North Americans.
	They want to profit from this and they want to kill North Americans.
	They want to cause chaos.
	They want the fabric of society pulling apart.
	They want to weaken us.
	Again, this great Canadian mayor said, I can tell you that Antony Blinken said the American government knows that the Chinese organized crime is working with the Chinese Communist Party, is working with the Latin cartels.
	They're all involved in this trade.
	It's corrupt and it's directed against Americans.
	The one more thing that blew my mind when we talk about why is this happening in Canada?
	Antony Blinken said that U.S. government was losing confidence that Canada had the capacity to crack down on organized crime and fentanyl, and to the point where Americans, who have great intelligence, were holding back what they knew in Canada because they were concerned about corruption in Canada's enforcement and potentially government.
	So just all kinds of mind-blowing things, but the most that China wants to kill Americans.
	No, but that America has intelligence on Canada that it can't or doesn't feel comfortable sharing with Canada because of the degree of corruption they might be disclosing to their adversary the compromising information that they have on their adversary.
	This is what a great Canadian mayor told me, and in fact, I had a podcast with him for the Bureau, and he publicly posted on X that he got threats to his family after disclosing this in this interview.
	Again, if you're seeing the theme there, I mean, threats are going around the way they should not be in Canada, and it's due to the infiltration from China.
	This is wild.
	I'm looking to see if the chat is, I believe, they're as blown away as I am.
	Is Tam CCP over on Rumble?
	Can I speak to that?
	I mean, I don't know anything about her personality or gender.
	I take it at face value.
	Let me put it this way.
	But what I do know is that Canada's lab...
	Was subject of sending dangerous viral material to Wuhan.
	This was covered up by the Canadian government.
	You know, people can read the documents on this.
	The two Chinese scientists defected to China and disappeared into the CCP.
	They disappeared.
	The RCMP was investigating them and let them go.
	You can't get out of a country without the border officials letting you go.
	So that's just one of those ones that makes you say, okay, I mean, China had a deep, deep, deep influence in Canada's Level 4 lab.
	None of this is controversial.
	China, using these Chinese-Canadian scientists, was sending Ebola materials.
	To the same lab that the CIA and everyone else now says was involved in bat viruses.
	One of the Canadian scientists, the one that got away and went back to China, she was involved with the American controversial researchers in the bat virus research.
	So no one's saying that the virus came from Canada, but they are saying that this woman in Winnipeg that escaped Canada was...
	Working or helping that Wuhan project, not sending materials.
	But where does this come to Theresa Tam?
	Look, as a diligent investigator, I did what's called access to information requests on what happened in that lab.
	And I found that Theresa Tam, head of Health Canada, signed off.
	On one of the travel requests for this Dr. Chu in Winnipeg to go over to Beijing.
	And, you know, if I really knew, I'm not saying that Teresa Tam knew what this Chinese spy in Winnipeg was up to.
	What I'm saying is that she signed off on a trip that quite clearly and evidently was for this Canadian Chinese scientist to meet with intelligence handlers in China.
	So why is Teresa Tam not answering questions about that?
	I mean, I'm not saying she's wrongful there.
	I'm saying, well, should you have known better?
	I want to just double check one thing.
	Teresa Tam, born in British Hong Kong, our head of the COVID task response team.
	It might also explain why Justin Trudeau was donating our PPE to China in February 2020 before COVID was coming to Canada.
	Holy hell, Sam.
	It's worse than anybody can possibly imagine.
	When we're having these conversations with a good legal mind, a great legal mind that can parse it and say, I'm seeing this, I'm seeing this.
	When we're going through it, these are all facts.
	It's all documents.
	And as I speak, it's like, wow, it sounds crazy.
	And I talk to people in government and they say, when you see the scale of what China is involved in in North America, You don't have to believe in conspiracy theories.
	It's a conspiracy.
	When Pompeo says they're inside the gate, he's the former director of the CIA.
	He knows, right?
	And so, yeah, this is a deep effort to undermine the United States, and China is preparing to take Taiwan, potentially by force.
	That's what it's all about.
	They don't want America to be able to combat that.
	And they want to get at America via Canada by infiltrating Canada.
	First of all, how much time do you have left?
	I've got a few more minutes, yeah.
	What we might do in two minutes, we'll go over to locals because I'm going to launch the next person and we'll take some questions there.
	Chinese ownership of Canadian real estate is one thing.
	Chinese ownership in natural resources in Canada is another thing.
	What's the level of Chinese involvement in Canadian mineral companies?
	Well, this government, I mean, the still liberal government for the past 10 years has pretty much turned a blind eye to Chinese investment in mines in the north.
	There's some very controversial ones that occurred.
	I know for a fact because...
	You know, way back when I was a younger reporter in 2017, a State Department official took me for a coffee and said, we essentially had to twist Canada's arm on a few of these, saying, like, you cannot let that satellite or that resource company come in here because that is a pure Chinese intelligence play.
	And, you know, the Trudeau government was letting it happen.
	Probably, I don't think they're that stupid.
	I think there was corruption going on.
	Same thing with Huawei.
	So resources, I don't know the exact footprint, but I know that through shell companies, proxies, land ownership around resource...
	plays that are around, you know, critical infrastructure.
	It's going on at scale in Canada from China.
	And I'll tell you, you know, one, a real expert that wrote a book, he came from, you know, a Canadian military intelligence background, worked for the Canadian police and in
	He said, it's not infiltration, it's saturation of China in Canada's infrastructure, critical institutions, saturation.
	You've never been on Rogan.
	No, I haven't.
	I would really like to because I like these talks and I would sit there with a nice stout or a nice drink for two to three hours.
	I would do it.
	Okay. This will be my ask of the chat that's watching.
	Now there's 27,000 strong on Rumble.
	Tag Rogan and you need to get on Rogan because this is...
	This is an attack on America.
	And I won't...
	Sometimes I'm modest, sometimes I'm not, but I would say that I'm one of the leading journalists in the world that has the picture on this.
	I've spoken to a bunch, and everyone has said, get Sam Cooper on.
	He knows this better than anybody.
	I'm third grade, but this allows me to piece together even more dots or connect more dots than I already thought I knew.
	I have indicated the raid in Rumble, people.
	Head on over.
	It's a good thing.
	We're using StreamYard, so come over to Locals if you want to be part of this.
	It will not be for members only.
	Support is only.
	So you can come and ask some questions, but I'm going to get some questions.
	Sam, I will exploit your time for as much as you have left.
	Yeah, I'll hang around.
	All right, so go raid Kim Iverson or come over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	We're going to end this on Rumble right now and remove it.
	Thank you all for being here.
	Sunday night show coming up.
	Sam, holy crab apples.
	Okay, let's see.

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