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Feb. 10, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

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Prosecuted for Failed Maduro Coup? Live with Former Green Beret Jordan Goudreau! Viva Frei

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	Speaking of free speech and attempted coups and Venezuelan dictators, we're going to get into all of this.
	If you don't know who Jordan Goudreau is, I had to ask him before we went live.
	I will pronounce his name the way it is what we pronounce in French.
	Goudreau! And I was double-checking something.
	I'm going to bring him in for this.
	Jordan, you ready?
	Sir, the reason I asked you if you spoke French before this, I used to curl with a guy back in Canada who told me that the French last names, or at least French-Canadian, and I think it might be French also from France, there's the E-A-U is a common last name, then there's E-A-U-L-T, then there's E-A-U-D, so like Boudreau can be spelled E-A-U-L-T.
	And so someone told me that the L-T meant that...
	Historically, the family might have been lieutenants.
	The D, I forget what, but then I was Googling it before we got started, and I don't think that's actually true.
	Jordan, 30,000 foot overview for those who have never met you before, who are going to meet you for the first time.
	They're going to know you inside and out after this interview.
	Who are you?
	Well, if you listen to the USAID and other government agency-sponsored mainstream media, I'm a terrible mercenary, bad guy, who...
	Did everything for money and got paid all this money to liberate Venezuela and all this nonsense.
	So that's the first thing.
	But if you actually use your mind for a second and realize that people like me who volunteer multiple times for multiple armies, I started out in the Canadian Army.
	And I did that for four years, came to the United States.
	And then six months before 9-11, I enlisted in the U.S. Army.
	I then went to, you know, ranger school and did the special operations track.
	So I volunteered for that track in the U.S. Army because I loved it.
	And so then I got into the Green Berets, which, you know, their motto is free the oppressed.
	And I might add, it's not free the oppressed and we'll give you millions of dollars, right?
	Like people don't go into the military to make like tons of money, although we do okay.
	So most of my career, I was in and out of war zones, training for war zones, fought for the country for, you know, better part of two decades, and then I left the military.
	And then much like a lot of guys like me do, we try to find purpose after that, right?
	So like people struggle with PTSD and I never really did.
	I just, you struggle to find purpose because there's tremendous purpose in the military.
	I mean, obviously it's of all the...
	Institutions in the United States, I would argue that the military is the preeminent existential institution.
	What I mean by that is without the military, the United States doesn't exist.
	Now, I'm sure there's several people on the left that would argue that, I don't know, maybe the Department of Education would be existential, but it's not, right?
	Like you can do without all these other institutions.
	The military, you cannot.
	So when guys like me get out, we try to find purpose.
	What I did after the military, when I retired out, I got hurt pretty bad, and a lot of guys do.
	It's rough sports.
	Wouldn't have changed, though.
	It was amazing.
	I started a company.
	Well, I did some jobs internationally for a while until I really settled on Silvercore.
	And what I wanted to do with that company was to stop school shootings.
	And so I had a multi-layered, multi-tiered approach to that, which was, you know, it started with psychology and then moved into geolocation and actually putting a guy in school to try to fix a problem set.
	But it was so politicized back then.
	It was a slow roll.
	And so ultimately, I was recruited by people who were close to the executive branch, people who actually worked for the U.S. government.
	And listen, I've got all the message traffic.
	I've read the 302s now that I've been indicted and whatnot.
	It's pretty clear to me that this entire episode...
	Is this too much information?
	I can slow down.
	Let's just back it up for a bit.
	Yeah, let's back it up.
	All the way to the beginning because we're going to get into this.
	You're born in Canada.
	Yes, born in Canada.
	The internet says you're 48 years old.
	I think it's lying.
	I think my birth certificate says timeless.
	Dude, first of all, you look, in as much as I can see here, you look healthy.
	I thought you would have been 30, but then you're talking about 9-11, and then we had to be about the same age.
	Okay, so here, Jordan, I don't know if you heard this part, but I was listening to, well, we mentioned it.
	I was listening to a podcast over the weekend because I'm trying to hear prior interviews and get the story, and I don't know much about Venezuela, Maduro.
	I get a podcast where I thought it was an interview with you and the way the two were introducing you and talking about America and how like, you know, why would anyone want to come to America unless they tripped and fell here?
	I was like, oh, these are weird people to be interviewing you.
	And your intro was, I was like, my goodness, this is not exactly a flattering painting that they're painting here.
	And then I realized it wasn't an interview.
	It was just a two-hour hit piece about you.
	Yes. You know, I think I got some factual elements, right?
	You're born in Canada.
	Was it Saskatchewan?
	I was born in Toronto, but I grew up in Calgary.
	And you, like, just a side note, you're the only person I think I've ever met who actually said my last name correctly.
	I can't even say it correctly.
	Whenever I hear, like, when people in America try to pronounce Pierre Poilier, I'm like, I don't judge, but Goudreau is, you know, everyone says Goudreau or Goudreau.
	Okay, so you're born in Canada.
	You're born in Toronto.
	You grew up in Calgary, which might be the second worst place.
	I couldn't be mean.
	It's a very difficult winter.
	It's near the Rocky, so it's beautiful.
	So what kind of childhood did you have?
	And parents, what did they do?
	Siblings? I had a great childhood.
	Look, there's a lot of misinformation.
	Everything in the news, everything in the media about me is misinformation.
	So much so that people really don't want to interview me.
	They're terrified.
	So other podcasters and they're, oh my God, this is the boogeyman.
	He's bad and all that.
	But I mean, I had a great childhood.
	I love my parents, great parents.
	It was awesome.
	It's Canada.
	It's Canada in the 80s.
	I mean, it's like, you know, rock and roll.
	It's riding around on big wheels, bombing down hills on toboggans.
	Like, man, I had a great childhood.
	It was amazing.
	I went to college, went to university in Calgary.
	I was on the Dean's list.
	Graduated, you know, taught my class and all that stuff, you know.
	And then you decided to get into the Canadian military.
	I did that, you know, concurrently, right?
	So in the Canadian Army, you're not in Canada, right?
	I know, now I'm in Florida.
	And I've never been, I've never served, I've never seen a day of training.
	Yeah, so I went in the Canadian Army, and you do it, it's kind of like, you can think of it as a National Guard or Reserve component.
	So I had a full-ride scholarship going into college, but I did the military as a Canadian infantryman.
	I wanted to get my feet wet.
	While I was going to college.
	And I have a huge, like my entire family was in the military.
	So I have uncles, like great uncles, World War II.
	And I've got my grandfather fought in World War I, won medals of valor and all of these things.
	So I have a long storied history of, you know, relatives being in the military.
	Just seeing, you know, what I was always going to do.
	Okay. Do you go to combat under the Canadian Army, or do you decide it's only when you go to be a Green Beret?
	So after four years, I came to the United States.
	So my uncle was the drug, or my cousin, I guess you could say.
	He was the drug sergeant of Ronald Reagan.
	Like, you know the, just say no to drugs?
	I'm sure he doesn't want me talking about it.
	At the ad, this is your brain.
	This is your brain on drugs.
	They crack an egg over a frying pan.
	Have you seen the movie Harold and Kumar?
	Yeah, of course.
	I'm so high, and he's playing with the gun.
	That was an actual ad from our childhood growing up that you would smoke marijuana, get so high that you would play with the...
	Okay, sorry.
	Memory lane.
	Yeah, but no, I mean, great childhood, man.
	It was Canada.
	It was awesome.
	It's the 80s, 90s.
	So I came into the United States, did special operations.
	But truth be told, I know in the mainstream media, I'm this crazy mercenary pirate who does it all for the money and just wants...
	But the reality is half of my training is intelligence-based training.
	And so when it came out in the news, and I challenge you to find this, try to figure out what I was trying to achieve with what happened in Venezuela.
	The cynic would say, if it's not for the money, it's for the glory of the kill, so to speak.
	But even before we get there, because becoming a Green Beret is not nothing, to put it mildly.
	What goes into becoming a Green Beret?
	And what are your functions?
	What experience do you get as a certified Green Beret?
	Yeah, so you can think of it like...
	Green Berets are force multipliers.
	We synergize the battlefield, right?
	So if you think of a Navy SEAL, a Navy SEAL is a strike force.
	Delta Force is a strike force.
	SEAL Team 6 strike force.
	Rangers are a big strike force.
	Largely, by and large, Green Berets are a small group of guys who do full-spectrum war.
	They are the only...
	size, that 12-man ODA that does full-spectrum work.
	What do I mean by that?
	They do find, they do fix, they do finish, they do all of it.
	They do their targeting of their enemies.
	They create human intelligence networks to facilitate that.
	They work by, with, and through indigenous individuals to gather intelligence, to find out where the bad guys are, I guess you could say.
	And then they prosecute targets with...
	Partner forces that they've built up and trained.
	So it's a very unique component.
	It was stood up by JFK.
	And their motto is De Oppresso Liber, which means free the oppressed.
	Where did you go?
	Where did you serve when you were...
	First of all, there's some jokes in the chat, but is it true that Black Beret is the highest level, Green Beret is lower?
	I've never even...
	So what it is, is the Black Beret is just like, you know, it's regular army.
	A Red Beret is 82nd Airborne Division.
	So these guys are like shock troops.
	You can kind of...
	I mean, they're awesome, man.
	If you look at World War II and the roots, they have the ability to drop anywhere, anytime.
	Well, I got wise to it being a joke when I saw the Rainbow Beret.
	Rainbow Beret, yeah.
	So the Green Beret is...
	The Tan Beret is Rangers, and they're awesome.
	They're super grunts, man.
	They're an awesome unit.
	But they do different stuff, right?
	Like Green Berets do different things than Rangers, than Delta, than SEALs.
	You know what I mean?
	They're kind of an anomaly.
	They're a self-contained, full-spectrum war fighting force.
	But they also have a component that is a JSOC component that is called the crisis response element.
	That element is more, that is a pure strike force.
	Green Berets get access to different types of training.
	A lot of that training is intelligence-based training.
	A lot of it's gunfighting-based training, I guess you could say, for the layman.
	I'll try to use layman's terms and whatnot.
	But yeah, that's the breakdown.
	Okay. And where did you see, you saw battle?
	Yeah, a lot.
	So Iraq, multiple trips to Iraq, Afghanistan, when Benghazi kicked off, we were the...
	The CRIF element or the crisis response element that was stationed in Europe that actually responded to the Ambassador Stevens' Benghazi crisis.
	I think they made a movie about it called 13 Hours, something like that.
	All right.
	We are going to come back to when you talk about finding purpose, the business.
	I know what it was, talking about security guards in schools in Florida to prevent shootings, but I know the chat's getting a little antsy to get to the...
	What you were indicted for.
	What you were indicted for and a coup against Maduro.
	So the only reason I like to go into detail, I like to know somebody, but also to work in your military experience and your service into how you were summoned for this particular mission when it started.
	What year was your service?
	Oh, I mean, no, I should do that piecing it together.
	But how do you get, I won't say roped into this, but how does this coup against Maduro come to be?
	What was the...
	So basically, there's a group of friends in D.C. I was pulled in back then into a meeting.
	I didn't audition for anything.
	Venezuela wasn't even my radar.
	I happened to be at a Venezuela Live Aid concert.
	That was happenstance.
	I was doing small gigs here and there for fun.
	The bulk of my work was overseas doing different things.
	And like I said, I was trying to stand up the company for school shootings.
	And so I get pulled into a meeting.
	Well, I get called out of the blue by Keith Schiller.
	Keith Schiller was the head of operations in the White House in 2018, I guess.
	And I think he punched somebody.
	Something happened and he had to leave the White House.
	He remained.
	And so he remained as the head of Trump security from what I was told.
	And so I was called, you know, I got a phone call one day from Keith and him and I met at a hotel in Fort Lauderdale somewhere.
	And he asked me to go to a meeting the next day.
	Or maybe it was a few days.
	I don't know the details.
	It was five, four years ago.
	And so I agree.
	I'm like, yeah, sure.
	We'll go, you know, I'll come to the meeting.
	This is out of the blue, right?
	I didn't have a heads up.
	At the same time that you're trying to start the Florida security company, you've already started it.
	I started with the security company.
	I already had a couple schools that I was prototyping and I was red-hatting a program for and they loved it.
	They thought it was incredible.
	Like I said, I incorporated psychologists.
	Real Strike Force operators who would have kind of just, you know, worked as counselors or whatever.
	And look, man, I'm going to be honest.
	I just, I want, I think kids should be safe.
	Like, that's just kind of what I believe in when I see school shootings.
	Back then it was like Parkland and Santa Fe.
	Back then, I mean, we had three school shootings back to back.
	And I think one of them, the cops didn't really go in.
	They didn't do anything.
	They weren't, it was obvious that they weren't equipped to do it.
	A police officer wants to go home to his kids.
	Somebody like me, who's a strike force operator, we're ready to throw our lives away because that's our ethos.
	Our ethos is very different than any other ethos of what you would say like a security force, like an FBI or a police force.
	I'm not disparaging anybody.
	Like, we are designed to provide a function.
	And if we give our life for that, that is what we believe.
	That is okay.
	Like, in the military, in the army, as a strike force guy, my job is to put, my primary function is to put my plate, my armor, between me and my buddy and the enemy.
	So the enemy needs to shoot me before he shoots my friend.
	Right? And there's a very simple principle that this belongs to that I'll cite.
	And it's from, you know, Jesus Christ said this.
	He said, there's no greater love than to give your life for your friends.
	So what a Green Beret or a SEAL or a Delta operator or whatever you want to, you know, an 82nd or more soldier does every day as he makes that conscious decision that I'm going to give my life for my friend today, right?
	So this is the principle that drives the infantry.
	So when we talk about things and, you know, we say, I mean, we fucking mean it.
	Or if we say, follow me, like the motto of the infantry, we mean it.
	We're not just saying it to get votes or to get a contract.
	We live it because it's who we are.
	We enter into a service and we keep volunteering, even in the higher tiers of special operations, because we truly believe it or we try to.
	We aspire to that.
	Yeah. Oh, sorry.
	I was going to say there's also the old expression or the old...
	Trope that, you know, once intelligence, always intelligence.
	So you're out of the military now starting a private enterprise, which is sort of, we'll get to that because it is very interesting.
	And you get a call out of the blue.
	So they say like, do you have it in you for one more mission type thing?
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	I'm like, I'm trying to solve the school shooting thing.
	And I'm like, okay, I'm making, I've got headwinds, but I'm still making some progress.
	So I get pulled into the room and I don't know if, you know, Keith Schiller, we go.
	You know, have breakfast.
	He doesn't say much, but he says, I want you to come into this meeting.
	And I said, what's it about?
	And he said, Venezuela.
	I'm like, okay, got it.
	I didn't really have to say much.
	I was like, I kind of, okay, I'm not a security guy.
	Like, I don't, I don't understand.
	I don't, like, I can do counter sniper operations.
	I did a, I did a, like, a Trump rally.
	And really, I'm out of place because.
	You know, I was told just to counter-sniper.
	Okay, that I understand, but I'm not a security guy.
	People always say, well, the company, it's a security company.
	It's not a security company.
	I mean, I offer solutions that are proactive.
	I mean, school shootings, if you have security guards there, you're going to lose.
	So you have to be proactive in your approaches to solve problems.
	And so with this problem set, It was pretty obvious that I didn't get called in to do security work from Donald Trump's fixer, who I'm sure he had a million friends who are far more qualified in the security field than I am.
	It's not my area.
	Okay, so this is 2019, right?
	It's pre-COVID.
	Pre-COVID, 2019.
	You get the call in, and when do they pitch the idea?
	And I've got to ask you, The internet says remove Maduro, or it's a coup.
	The goal was to kill him.
	No. So that's the thing.
	This is the whole misnomer, right?
	If you look anywhere, and I'm going to challenge you to do this, look anywhere on the internet what the real plan is.
	You'll never find it.
	When I was listening to things, I'm like, yeah, this guy's crazy, and I have a crazy guy coming on my channel.
	You got properly vetted.
	But yeah, from what I heard, the misinformation is rampant.
	That it was a ragtag coalition and you go down, it's like something out of a comic movie in terms of how badly it's...
	So tell us what it is.
	So 2019, Schiller comes up to you and says, what's the plan?
	What's the mission?
	And let me just say this.
	So the media fallout was carefully curated, right?
	So the media was...
	The sourcing for the media came from the people who essentially betrayed us.
	And we'll get into that later.
	But the reason we were these crazy mercenaries, look, I've taken several Wunderluck scores for different selections in the military.
	That would imply that I'm not crazy and I'm not an insane lunatic and all of those things.
	What's the test?
	A Wunderluck test?
	Wunderluck, it's an IQ test.
	Okay. Yeah.
	And you take personality tests, and you take all these tests to get into these higher-level units.
	My past with flying colors.
	Look, you've got to have some personality if you're going into conflict and prepared to...
	I'm always curious, but if you get into violent conflict, you're going to kill people.
	You have to be trained a certain way.
	You're already a type of personality that not everybody can replicate or be.
	This is the misnomer.
	So the biggest, the big misnomer is this.
	The biggest misnomer is that if you, it's essentially, people think that, okay, maybe that fits for SEALs or for Rangers or for other units like that are younger guys who are there to gunfight and they want to get into a gunfight and things of this nature.
	If you are in A higher level unit, it's typically older guys who are there to do mostly thinking their way out of problems, like, for instance, Green Berets.
	Green Berets, you can say it like this.
	If you want to, you know, target, kill a bunch of terrorists, Marines will just run through a hail of gunfire to go get them.
	SEALs, they'll helicopter in.
	Green Berets will just, you know, Fill a taxi cab full of a VBID and just go blow the whole house up.
	That's the difference.
	Green Berets are typically thinkers.
	Not that Rangers and SEALs, they're not.
	Some are, but the basis of being a Green Beret means there's so few of you.
	We can't win a gunfight.
	Twelve guys can't win a gunfight against 150 Taliban in the mountains, so you have to find another way.
	And that's what Green Berets do, typically.
	You just pissed off a lot of people in the military.
	I'm joking, I'm joking, and I'm joking.
	I like SEALs, I like all these dudes, I've worked with all these guys, but it's different communities for different things, right?
	Then what is the plan into which you get recruited?
	It's true, I couldn't find very much online other than the media, which is reliably unreliable.
	So I got all my questions.
	What was the plan?
	What were you supposed to do?
	And what happened?
	So here's how it works, right?
	If somebody hires me to do something, they don't ask me, like, how are you going to do it?
	What's the plan?
	And people in the media have made representations.
	Well, he was going to go assassinate Maduro.
	No, he was going to...
	But quite honestly, it was in an email that I had sent.
	So let's first establish that the meeting that I went to was...
	To discuss a military option in Venezuela.
	Let's skin that cat.
	Okay? So when I'm reading through 302s, like FBI 302s, and the people in that meeting have been questioned.
	So it's very clear.
	And of course, people are going to lie.
	Oh my God, I didn't know anything.
	And so some people have represented that we never discussed military coups.
	This never happened.
	But then some people have represented, yes, everybody knew that this was...
	A military coup.
	We were talking about a military option.
	And we, in this room, global governments, the people who recruited me, we sent this guy down to Colombia knowing full well that this was a military option.
	So let's start there.
	Okay. Do you have any questions with any of that?
	And I can send you this stuff after.
	I can send you the 302s if you want to see it in black and white.
	I guess my question is then...
	You're talking 302s.
	That means that there's an FBI investigation and they're interrogating people.
	The mission gets started.
	Yeah, and what I'll say is this.
	This is important to understand.
	They're very careful about who they're interrogating.
	So they're not interrogating the president of Colombia, who has a hand in this.
	They're not interrogating the president of Venezuela, who I had a contract with.
	They're only, and look, they had the option to question me.
	I gave them my phone right away.
	I said, yeah, here's my phone.
	I didn't do anything.
	Like, I did nothing illegal.
	Here's my phone.
	They went through it, but they specifically targeted me.
	So when I say they, I mean the FBI.
	And it's important to understand that the head of this investigation, the FBI investigation, was sent from D.C., and they were part of the team that investigated the Russia collusion hoax against.
	President Trump.
	But the investigation itself is in 2023, 2024, correct?
	This has been going on.
	Well, this is what the judge said.
	So the investigation has been going on for four and a half years, and they arrest me in New York, you know, all teamed out and gunned out and whatnot.
	And the judge basically says, why are you arresting this guy?
	It's been four and a half years.
	And so the reason I'm arrested...
	It's because it's the run-up to the U.S. election.
	And so the whole point is, the Biden administration or, you know, the Biden DOJ, which this is the same prosecutors that are prosecuting me, have prosecuted J6ers, right?
	They prosecuted Jeremy Brown.
	It was said that these guys, like these prosecutors, joked that I was going to be the third Green Beret that they put behind bars.
	And so that's the whole basis of it, right?
	So they do this to embarrass or to drag in President Trump to be just another thorn in his side.
	I mean, this whole thing has been a thorn in his side, and to be perfectly honest, the reason this entire operation was sabotaged was to hurt Donald Trump and the media, to create linkage between him and I. Okay.
	But now we've got to get back to the...
	You meet with Keith Schiller in 2019, and there's a discussion of a military operation in Venezuela to remove, depose, or coup out Nicola Maduro.
	Right. So what goes into the training?
	Because you end up in Venezuela.
	Well, so here's the other part.
	In that meeting also, on one of the 302s, the FBI 302s, one of the people in the meeting...
	Talks about going to see...
	He's got a meeting with the CIA after this.
	So the CIA are essentially...
	There's a CIA asset in the room with us, which I discover later because he admits to me, which is concerning for me.
	And this is where...
	This is important to understand for the very end.
	Well, if I'm getting ahead to the end...
	One might argue that this was in fact all a sham ploy of a coup to frame Trump for some failed military operation like Bay of Pigs or I want to say the Iran-Contra thing, except that actually happened.
	Well, as did Bay of Pigs.
	But if that's the punchline, interesting.
	Bingo. Bingo.
	Schiller, who's setting up this plot to coup out?
	Maduro. Yeah, let me just say this.
	You're the second person who, with me saying very little, came to the exact same conclusion.
	I'm thinking cynically, and it's one of the ways this story gets written.
	The other way is, Trump really wanted to take out Maduro for some reason, and so decides to put together a paramilitary force to remove him by force, which doesn't seem very Trumpian to me, even if...
	He was always sort of...
	Yes. In terms of foreign policy violence intervention.
	So here's what you have to, here's what people don't understand.
	And this is the, this is the keyword.
	So men like, like guys like me, well, that's it, right?
	Pence was VP.
	So most of the, you have to realize that most of the representations and most of the, the RFIs, like when I need an RFI, when I need to know what the parameters of my mission are, that's an RFI.
	RFI request for information?
	Yes, thank you.
	Now, an RFI, that mostly was done through Mike Pence's guys, his aide.
	There's another gentleman, but mostly it was one aide who I had several meetings with, several communications with, which I have, which, you know, it's been proven that in the media that Mike Pence said, I don't know who this guy is, but Mike Pence wrote a letter for this guy to get into West Point.
	It was his intern.
	He was an aide in his office.
	He sent emails to Mike Pence.
	I mean, so it's a mess.
	But the point is this.
	Sorry, yeah, go for it.
	The point is this.
	So when I would ask questions, I would say, I need to know this.
	He would come back and give me an answer.
	And his representation was, yes, this is completely sanctioned by the executive branch.
	Okay, perfect.
	Who is the he in that sentence?
	That's Drew Horn.
	Like, the meetings that I had with this guy, that this is what it was.
	And look, I'm not going to say that, like, I don't know the inner machinations of D.C., but I do know this.
	There's a brilliant, there's a really great Wired article that has several CIA sources that talk about fragmentation that's going on in the Trump administration from an IC standpoint, from an intelligence community standpoint.
	For instance, Gina Haspel disagreed with Donald Trump on how to handle You know, Venezuela, for instance.
	So there were different ideas on how to deal with this problem set.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes. But I want to get back.
	The guy's name is Drew Horn?
	Drew Horn, yeah.
	He's in the media.
	Like, you can look him up.
	I've got...
	What was his role in planning this or orchestrating this coup?
	He was the guy that...
	He was Mike Pence's aide who gave me representations who basically...
	That's... Like, I'm a soldier.
	So when I'm...
	When I'm going to do a mission, I don't...
	And, like, the person who is telling me to get this mission done, that, I guess, like, lower-tier captain, so to speak, I don't...
	I don't call the general up and say, I don't trust this guy.
	As you describe this, like, it's one thing for me to have a guest on, and, you know, it's easy to vet, or easy, like, you know, do I need to know anything?
	It's a small community.
	You get summoned in for an operation, and it's like...
	How the hell do you get proper confirmation that this is legit from the top down if you're dealing with compartmentalized units?
	Did you meet Mike Pence directly in any of this?
	No, but that's the point.
	So these guys wanted me to meet with President Trump.
	I didn't refuse because that's the point, right?
	You want deniability.
	Deniability is critical.
	Well, they said they wanted you to meet with Trump.
	Yeah. It's not clear that Trump actually, not that he wouldn't want to meet him, but they're trying to set, if this is a sabotage, they want to connect this to Trump, and it's a failed attempt to take out, through violent means, a foreign leader, which is an international crime, even if he's a bad guy.
	Sure. And also, considering that he's chummy-chummy with Putin, China, and other countries, this might lead to cataclysmic international conflict.
	Sure. But, I mean, that last part's arguable, right?
	So, legally speaking, There is a – I can't remember what it is.
	My lawyer was telling me about it, but there is a necessity.
	There is a necessity law, like, for instance, with Adolf Hitler.
	There is a necessity defense.
	Like, this guy needs to be taken out because he's killing six million people.
	So that, in a court of law, stands up from what I'm told.
	I'm not a lawyer, so don't quote me on that.
	But for my part, I was given representations by – Several people.
	There was another individual who spoke with Mike Pence, who represented to me that they spoke with Mike Pence, and that all the doors were open, this is authorized.
	And so, like I said, when I'm vetting these individuals, and I do, I vet Keith Schiller, he's who he says he is.
	Verone Kraft, he is who he says he is.
	Drew Horn, he is who he says he is.
	And these guys have powerful DC contacts, and I do my due diligence.
	Okay. Then I trust that these guys are representing to me the truth.
	And that's really...
	So, for instance, let's start in the beginning.
	I would never go to a foreign country and start planning to do anything of this nature unless I believed I was protected.
	I'm not insane.
	Yeah, but one thing I was thinking about when listening to where you were allegedly prepping is like...
	Protected is one thing, but also I presume these missions have to have, like, if you get caught and killed or whatever, we're denying everything.
	I think that's a...
	Sure, but that's like a little bit in the movies.
	You know, I mean, it's...
	And look, I'm...
	What I'm saying is I believed 100% what was being represented to me.
	That's what I believe.
	The other part of it, I don't...
	Who else did they summon with you?
	Like, who was supposed to be on your team of elite?
	Coup people.
	No, I'm it, man.
	Like, this is a one-man show, right?
	Like, okay, let's back up and let's talk about coups for a second.
	Okay. And let's use Venezuela, for instance, as an example.
	There's a few ways you can change government.
	First way, let's talk popular rebellion.
	This was tried in 30 April by Juan Guido López.
	It failed.
	They had no military support.
	Failed. Okay.
	Let's back up even.
	You know, further in time.
	And let's see what Chavez did.
	Chavez largely did a military coup.
	So he used the generals around the president at the time to do the heavy lifting, right?
	Let's talk the third option.
	The third option is you just invade the country and you flip it.
	You take it and then you install a puppet or whatever.
	You have fair and free elections.
	So, what I did is I looked at what was successful, what is typically successful, which is a military coup.
	You can see another one that happened in, I think it was 2021 in Bolivia.
	A military coup is really you just make friends with people inside Venezuela who are close to the leadership, and you have them do the heavy lifting.
	That's really it.
	So, it is an intelligence-based solution.
	It's called a military coup, but it's largely bloodless.
	It's an intelligence-based coup d'etat.
	Okay, I'm thinking of the Maidan-type revolution where you make friends with the opposition and let it happen on its own, but you get recruited alone.
	You sound like this might be a great script to a movie where you don't understand that you are Truman in the Truman Show of Venezuelan coups.
	They summon you, and then what happens?
	They say, go down to Venezuela, get a group of...
	Military opposition to get this coup going?
	No. I mean, I think in everybody's mind, there's a little bit of...
	Look, for what I do, there's a little bit of this going on.
	When I say everybody, when I see the people who recruit you, they're not sure.
	Nobody knows what is happening.
	And so that's why you do a Red Hat or you do an operational prep of the environment.
	You try to figure out...
	What can be done?
	What's possible?
	Try to figure out if there's any, you know, access and placement already in the country.
	And you see, how can this get done?
	And so somebody like me...
	What's a red hat?
	Sorry to interrupt you.
	You think of it like a, it's a viability study.
	Is it even possible?
	Is this possible?
	Okay. Right.
	And so back then, I don't know that.
	I think that...
	It was largely in good faith, and yet things like this, when the CIA is connected to them, have a target of opportunity kind of vibe to them.
	And so I was very aware of that.
	So like I said, most global governments, the individuals I was with in the meeting, they weren't sure.
	They think military coup.
	They think, you know, invade, send in a group of commandos or whatever.
	But due to the topography and the military structure of Venezuela, that is simply not, it's not possible.
	Maybe it's doable, but it's not simple.
	So somebody like me, I want the simplest solution.
	I want bloodless.
	That was actually one of my, you know, that was one of the conversations was, you know, they basically said to me, we don't care how bloody it is.
	Just do what you have to do.
	Okay, cool.
	That's not the way I do it.
	I just want things to be quite simple.
	I don't have the money to do a full-blown whatever.
	So for me, my intent was encapsulated in an email.
	It was one of the very first emails from 2019 that I sent.
	And it was at the very top.
	It says, this will be a peaceful transition to power.
	Well, how do you achieve that?
	How do you achieve that?
	Well, I'm okay.
	I got asked, okay.
	I didn't ask you this question at the beginning.
	This sounds like something you can only do if you don't have a wife and kids to answer to.
	Do you have a family?
	I got asked the other indiscreet question.
	They're going to summon you.
	I couldn't get away with this for a weekend, let alone months to go down and say, where are you, David?
	No, it doesn't happen.
	I need to know the period of the meeting to you actually being down there.
	Are you getting financed for this?
	How do you live?
	I was supposed to be financed, but global governments basically reneged.
	I lost a lot of money, to be perfectly honest.
	They had told me, go forward and do this.
	The contract is already signed.
	It was one individual who was like, you're covered.
	So I went...
	That has to be a very trustworthy individual in order for you to...
	I'm a soldier, right?
	If somebody says to me that this is what it's going to be, or if I say to somebody, this is what it's going to be, that is exactly what I do.
	And so I expected the level of people that I was dealing with to be, I guess you would say, honorable guys.
	Because as a soldier, I mean, I'm an honorable guy.
	The guys that I work with, you know...
	Special operations guys, if I say I'm going to do X, Y, and Z, that is exactly what we do.
	So yeah, for my part, I guess I should have been less trusting.
	That said, given the status of these individuals, I figured they were good for it.
	Okay. How do you get...
	There's one question here, which I'm going to flag.
	It's, you know, why bring weapons if it's supposed to be bloodless?
	And I presume that there's a bit of a transition or evolution of this plot.
	But so what happens?
	Meeting and you end up physically going down and then trying to recruit.
	Yeah, let's answer your question.
	Exactly. Why smuggle?
	There's no point.
	There's no weapons needed.
	And what's more is, and I'm not familiar with this part of it, but there were Venezuelans who we were working with that were...
	You know, I had heard that they had weapons and things of that nature.
	But the actual operation itself was quite simple.
	But it was...
	There's tricky parts to it.
	So I didn't really trust very many people that we were working with.
	Simply because the camps that we were in were...
	They were, I guess you would say, they were infiltrated by Lopoldo Lopez slash CIA guys.
	So we knew this.
	We didn't really care at the time.
	This whole thing took the period of a year.
	We didn't really care because everybody thought we were doing X when really we were doing Z. It was a very different solution to the problem that everybody thought was happening, I guess you could say.
	From the first meeting with Schiller, how many meetings did you have over the year to discuss the operation?
	And I presume there's got to be a paper trail.
	But I'm just very curious in terms of like, because it's one thing to sit down in a meeting in Fort Lauderdale, and then to end up in Venezuela in a camp with a bunch of people.
	And I'm curious as to who they are.
	How many meetings do they have?
	There was one meeting, and then it was decided by everybody, because this is why I was there.
	And that's a great question.
	You know, you would think that there would be some deliberation.
	Should we do this?
	Should we?
	It was very obvious that I was pulled in to do this exact thing.
	And not only that, but like I said, in the 302, it was reiterated by one of the, I guess, attendees.
	The reason the contract couldn't get signed by Guido or Lopoldo Lopez by global governments in the first place, which is why I ended up losing money, was because The Venezuelan opposition component, Juan Guaido, Lopoldo Lopez, these guys didn't really want to give business contracts to global governments, which was Key Shiller and his team.
	The contract that couldn't get signed, what was that contract supposed to be?
	What's the object of that contract?
	Yeah, that was business contracts for once Venezuela was flipped and Maduro was out, which...
	It was quite simple, to be honest.
	That said, I can't fight for governments, but that's really it.
	Global governments would assume several business contracts, very lucrative business contracts.
	As you know, there was oil, there was reconstruction, there's mining, there's a whole plethora of businesses in Venezuela.
	The beneficiary of these contracts would be global government.
	Global governance.
	Okay, I think I got that now.
	But this is after the coup.
	There's nothing written, formalized for the coup itself.
	Bingo. Well, there is.
	There is a, I think it's like, I don't know, 80 page, 40, whatever, however many pages the contract is.
	There's a SOFA status agreement, which outlines the ability of my guys to be, SOFA status agreement is a document between countries.
	When we were in Iraq, we had a SOFA status agreement that made sure that we were not at war with Iraq, and so U.S. forces were allowed to be in Iraq because of this agreement.
	It is a legal document that allows foreign forces to be in another country and to conduct operations, military operations.
	So we had one of those written into the contract.
	This is a diplomatic document.
	It's a document.
	I'm sure, well, Blackwater, not so much because they worked under the arm of the U.S. military.
	But it's a big deal.
	It was a big contract.
	Three lawyers wrote it.
	No, two lawyers wrote it, and then one, maybe, I can't remember the breakdown.
	It was a long time ago.
	I mean, lawyers saw it.
	They reviewed it, and they said it was okay.
	One of the lawyers actually signed it.
	Okay, and I'm going to see if the chat's going to put together some questions that I should be asking.
	How long until you physically go down to Venezuela after the meeting with Schiller?
	Three days to two weeks.
	I don't remember.
	That's close enough.
	It's not like six months later.
	So they bring you in.
	They say, go down and we're going to coup.
	You go down.
	I'm quoting Red Hat.
	You're going to figure out the logistics of what the coup might look like.
	Yeah. Listen, going into it, I knew what I was going to do.
	I had done my research and I did my due diligence and I kind of understood what this was going to be.
	It was always going to be me.
	Um, developing a network inside Venezuela and then somehow gain it.
	That's the tricky part, right?
	Like I need, and, and largely I was helped out by the U S government's foreign policy in Venezuela, the heavy sanctions, um, the posturing, the saber rattling, they were scared shitless.
	I mean, the generals that I was dealing with, one of them talked about, like, he was afraid that he was going to get J dammed, like bombed the way we bomb Iranian generals.
	Like he was scared.
	And so it made Maduro's, the guys who were close to Maduro more pliable for somebody like me to gain their allegiance.
	That said, the crux of the operation or the linchpin of the operation was one individual.
	And we can discuss that later.
	We can discuss that now if you want.
	It's up to you.
	I know that's complicated.
	Well, so the idea is to go in, so either find opposition or find people that don't like Maduro.
	To do the deed that you're sort of the puppet master.
	Yes. You might be one string of someone else's puppet master using you as a puppet.
	Right. But you have to understand this, right?
	What you have to understand is that it's not just build allies in Venezuela.
	I need very specifically, I need people or military people who have access and the ability to order task and maneuver units.
	Do you understand?
	They have to have an asset, like a large military-style asset that I can employ, or that they can employ even better, to somehow encircle and find fix the established government or the regime, i.e. Maduro. If it's three days to two weeks, whatever, later, how long are you down in Venezuela for doing all this?
	This has to be months.
	So I'm in Colombia, right?
	So we're in Colombia.
	And I meet with, at a certain point, I meet with, and again, representations are made to me about the Colombian president.
	You know, a guy gets him on speakerphone, one of the guys down there, and he talks about, you know, there's three things that we're going to give you.
	One of them is like, say, what is it?
	One of them was access, you know, we can travel across the borders.
	The other one is, you know, you can have camps to train in.
	And one of them is you can ship anything you need across the country.
	Probably screw one of those up.
	These are three things for the mission, not three things for you later on.
	Yeah, this is the present of Venezuela, right?
	And it's like, we've already gone and had a meeting with this guy.
	And okay, cool.
	So this is, for me, this is kind of, Look, I don't need weapons.
	I don't need permission to cross borders that are largely controlled by guerrillas.
	But nevertheless, for me, that's a tough...
	I kind of just nodded my head and said, okay.
	Now, here was the stipulation.
	This president wanted me to attack a guerrilla force called the ELN.
	Now, I was on a radio show.
	It's called W...
	And it's like 50 million listeners in Columbia.
	I was just when I was in Miami.
	And I'm telling the radio station this, and they're Colombians, right?
	And they're, oh my God, this is crazy.
	The president of Columbia.
	And the president of Columbia calls in.
	And he says, I don't know any of these people that you're talking about.
	I don't know them.
	I've never met them.
	And I don't know.
	I think you're lying.
	I was like, cool.
	Sounds good, man.
	And so I think, like, you know, 20 minutes later, I sent a text with a photo of these individuals that President Duque said that he didn't meet with.
	He didn't know.
	He didn't know, you know, this one guy.
	And I, you know, provide a photo.
	So this is, you know, this is the gamesmanship, I guess, of what I was dealing with.
	And it's tricky.
	It's tricky, man.
	Well, are you in a Colombian jungle or are you in a city?
	I'm in a city.
	I'm meeting with people.
	So I'm taking meetings with prominent businessmen and diplomats and politicians from Venezuela.
	Who want to see Maduro overthrown or removed.
	Right, right.
	Who have business interests or they're patriotic or whatever.
	Okay. One of the people that I meet is a man named General Cliver Alcala.
	And he has a history of narco, like being a narco terrorist.
	And he's, you know, smeared all through the...
	But through the Colombian and Venezuelan news, because he was a fierce enemy of Nicolas Maduro.
	But that said, even the opposition members, like, so he is largely disliked in his country because of whatever allegations and rumors of narco-terrorism.
	That plays into a role.
	It took me a very long time to trust Clever Alcala, and it, I mean, it took me the better part of a year.
	But I needed somebody who, inside Venezuela, the military trusted.
	People that were close to Nicolas Maduro trusted, and they trusted Alcala.
	They didn't trust Guaido or the opposition or any of the politicians that the United States government trusted.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, kind of.
	I'm trying to make as much sense of this as I can.
	You're in Colombia planning this, and it's either going to be bloodless, but I can see how you're politicking to have something of an internal coup overthrow Maduro.
	Yeah, that is the point.
	That is the coup.
	How long is all of this taking?
	How long are you down in Colombia for?
	Oh man, it's a lot of trips to Colombia.
	A lot of trips to a couple of the countries that I was talking to.
	A lot of diplomats, a lot of people who are interested in this taking place, obviously.
	Let me back up.
	I get it.
	I'm this horrible, terrible mercenary, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to liberate 30 million people.
	I think that's lost on most...
	Well, there's a reason that in the media that it's slandering me the way it is, but at the end of the day...
	I'm just trying to liberate Venezuelans, man.
	Well, so how does the plot...
	It gets foiled.
	I mean, I don't know when you come back.
	How long are you in Colombia for before you come back?
	And how does it all end in disaster?
	I presume nothing happened.
	And then you find out you get indicted several years later.
	But how did the mission not come to fruition?
	Yeah, so I'm prepping for the later stages of the operation.
	Because listen, so it's not enough that you...
	Let's say what I was planning happens, and military units move into place, and they, you know, ha-ha, you know, they capture Nicolas Maduro, or whatever.
	They change the country like Basad.
	Sure. He runs, gets on his plane, which he had a private plane.
	I mean, back when this happened, there was a destroyer group storming for, you know, Venezuela.
	It was a saber-attling, I don't know.
	I do know that SouthCom, the SouthCom commander, was tracking us.
	I know that Army Intelligence was tracking us.
	That's in, you know, through conversations I've had with people who, you know, knew.
	So, all right.
	So, where was I?
	I was...
	How this didn't end.
	Okay. All right.
	So, we're moving forward.
	We're getting ready to move forward.
	And they, I think what happens next is they grab...
	They decide that they're going to get, when I say they, the Venezuelan opposition government.
	Remember when I said Juan Guido and Lopoldo Lopez, I was working with a general named General Cliver Alcala, right?
	So that general's the linchpin of my operation.
	Like, the generals in Venezuela trust this guy.
	Now, here's where the whole thing gets messed up.
	Lopoldo Lopez is working with the CIA, right?
	So I remember back in the meeting, we're going to go meet with the CIA.
	These are Lopoldo Lopez's guys.
	So the CIA is kind of tracking this thing, the whole life cycle.
	And remember this, the CIA does not want Donald Trump to have a win in South America.
	Like there's a lot of, like I said, that Wired article for people who want to read it, it's not favorable to President Trump, but it does understand.
	The mentality in the CIA at the time.
	They didn't want to give him information.
	They withheld information.
	They didn't want him to have a win in South America.
	And so this is where we get to it.
	This is where we get to the why.
	And not only that, one of the people that I was in the room with, Lester Toledo, he had a humanitarian aid company.
	That humanitarian aid company worked with Juan Guido to funnel...
	Oh, I don't know, $1.6 billion or a portion thereof of USAID money.
	USAID? Are you familiar?
	Oh, yeah.
	That's been in the news a little bit for last week.
	So let's answer the question, why was the mission sabotaged?
	Let's do the whole why.
	The Venezuelan opposition was afraid that if we succeeded, which we would have succeeded, it was not a heavy lift.
	If we succeeded and...
	Power change that Clever Alcala, like my general, who's working with us, he would have taken power and kind of pushed Juan Guaido and Lopoldo Lopez out.
	So there was that.
	But the other part, and furthermore, if that happened, they would no longer be getting USAID money.
	Now, Juan Guaido is under investigation right now for $1.6 billion, I'm assuming, in USAID fraud.
	There's another...
	A lawsuit against Juan Guido in Delaware for billions.
	And I think one of the people charging him is Raytheon.
	So there's several American companies.
	And so it's pretty obvious what was going on.
	This whole Venezuelan opposition government thing was just one big money laundering scheme.
	So fast forward, we kind of reached the decision point.
	And my men are committed.
	Okay? You read Shakespeare at all?
	Let me just pretend to be intellectual and say yes.
	In high school and say university.
	Okay. So Macbeth, right?
	I'm weighted in blood so deep that to turn back now would be the greatest of errors.
	So my men are now inside.
	They're on the border, on the coast of Venezuela, Colombia.
	Who are your men?
	When you say your men, who are they?
	I have 50 Venezuelans, two Green Berets.
	My guys are now on the border.
	They're committed.
	And to get them there was incredibly difficult.
	They had to go through Colombian military and the ELN, which is like the FARC.
	They're a guerrilla organization.
	So they're in the middle of this.
	When Juan Duque, or when the United States government, at the behest of Bill Barr, who is an old school This 1970s Reagan-era CIA guy working with most likely the Secretary of State Mike Pompeo decide,
	hey, we're going to put this general, General Clifford Alcala, who has nothing to do with anything, who had been living free and clear in Colombia for the last 12 years with his wife and kid who was not rich, was clearly not a narco-terrorist.
	He was just living on his own.
	They decide to arrest him.
	Out of the blue.
	The reason they arrest him...
	This is during the operation when it's supposed to be going down.
	This is when my men are committed.
	Yes, this is when my men are committed.
	Alcala, he's in jail now for 21 years?
	He's in jail for...
	He gave the FARC some hand grenades so they put him in jail for 21 years.
	In America?
	Yeah. Okay, that's wild.
	Okay. Right.
	It's crazy.
	So here's the thing.
	They arrest him so that the operation fails, but the reality is they know the position my men are in.
	The ELN have been alerted by most likely the Colombian intelligence that the 60 men on the border are there to attack the ELN.
	Because remember, that was a stipulation of Ivan Duque, that I'll give you these things in Colombia, but you have to attack the ELN.
	Ivan Duque or the Columbia Intelligence Service alerts the ELN that there's men here to attack you.
	So my men are now being hunted.
	Again, weighted in blood so deep that they're turned back now as a gravest of errors.
	So unfortunately, moving forward is the only option.
	Now, at this point, I am in Jamaica.
	It is reported that...
	Hold on, hold on.
	How the hell did you get to Jamaica?
	Right. So, you have to remember this.
	The operation is quite simply this.
	I have a group of people who I trust eight.
	Okay? There's eight people I trust on the border right now.
	The other ones, I'm not sure.
	I don't know that I can trust them, but I only know that I can trust eight plus my two Americans.
	That's it.
	That's all I know.
	There's two boats.
	And those boats are going to go and do their thing.
	They're going to go do what they're going to do.
	Then there's one last boat, which was my boat.
	My boat was a civilian boat for a reason.
	I specifically chose this boat for a very specific purpose.
	It was Kevlar lined.
	It was an ocean-class vessel that could traverse the Caribbean Sea, and it did well.
	I mean, we had a couple snafus, but I digress.
	Full service engine, everything of that nature.
	But there were CIA assets that were...
	There were CIA agents they reported that were reported in the media.
	This is after the fact.
	That were in Jamaica.
	It was reported that the CIA agents told me that I'm not...
	I can't go...
	not to go forward and don't do this.
	That was a fabrication.
	I'm just...
	I read one chat over in the Rumble where it says this guy was sent.
	I just want people to be free, man. To be perfectly honest.
	You know, worse than the old boss, and it's a question of, you know, they've chased out Basad, and then who the hell knows who's going to take over?
	Okay, so to me, it sounds like this never could have worked in the first place.
	It sounds like you might have gotten not lured into it, but talked into it, because I presume there would have been lucrative contracts, security contracts, after there's a shift, and you've got new business partners who promise things to come.
	Okay, so here's how it shakes out, right?
	So this was the first part.
	This was, believe it or not, probably the easiest part.
	Whenever there's a coup, there's invariably a counter coup.
	So you need men with guns to stop the counter coup, right?
	So that point, that second part, I would have needed guns.
	I would have needed Americans on the ground who were kitted up, who were strike force guys who could stop serious threats.
	Then the third part of it is obviously you provide security, humanitarian aid for following fair and free elections.
	That third part takes a while.
	So sure, there was a contract, but by and large, the contract that I signed was for that entire year.
	The entire thing.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	When you actually mentioned now there's going to be a counter coup because there's going to be factions now fighting for power.
	Okay, so I guess now we get to the charges.
	That's a long roundabout to the charges.
	You're in Colombia.
	So let's finish the thread about the boats.
	Let's finish that.
	Okay, so I had one of my people go in who's an incredibly brave woman, like incredibly brave.
	She went in ahead of time and prepped a civilian marina and a safe house.
	Remember I said there's a handful of people I trusted?
	Yep. Yeah.
	Okay, so she preps a safe house.
	I need my boat.
	For the actual real operation, we needed three boats.
	I'll do the German three.
	Yeah, but three boats to bring in...
	Are there going to be armed guerrillas or bring in people to facilitate the coup internally?
	No, listen.
	What you have to understand is that the whole notion of sending...
	Men in fishing boats to invade a country is...
	I mean, it makes perfect sense to CNN and AP and Rolling Stone magazine, but it doesn't hold water.
	I've been doing this for a while.
	There's ways you do things.
	There's misdirection.
	These entities in the boats, like you have the two Venezuelan fishing boats, they were going to do their thing.
	They were going to do what they were going to do.
	What was that, though?
	Their thing is going to be what?
	They would have went into the country, made landfall, and they would have done operations, smaller operations, in and around.
	That part was what we call, I guess you'd say, an auxiliary mission.
	This is where the primary mission is the link-up.
	You have a civilian boat going to a civilian marina.
	That is prepped, that has fuel, that has a safe house, that has vehicles and food, and a handful of people go in and they actually just conduct a link-up.
	And that's pretty much it.
	It's that simple.
	It's a link-up.
	And then the other boats do their thing.
	They land.
	It's not a false insertion, but their mission is different.
	And they are led by somebody else.
	Now, obviously, the problem is because my vote...
	And listen, you know, the conjecture is this.
	The conjecture is that the CIA sabotaged my vote.
	In what manner is the sabotage?
	Like letting people know you're coming or loading it with something that they know is going to happen?
	At the tactical level, let's be clear.
	At the tactical level, it is...
	And I keep getting more and more information.
	Like people are...
	To be honest, daily saying, yes, I was in one of the boats and there was somebody there who was giving locations to X, Y, and Z. And so at the tactical level, there was a CIA asset in the boats.
	That's kind of what I've gleaned.
	Also, furthermore, at the tactical level, the CIA, the conjecture is that they sabotaged my boat.
	Because this was an operation that had to go forward.
	I tried to, so let's back up to when I'm in Jamaica.
	I see Clever Alcala get taken, and right away, that's abort.
	It's mission abort for me.
	I lose the confidence of the generals inside Venezuela.
	I lost the confidence, right?
	They were confused.
	Okay, so if this is sponsored by the United States, why are you arresting the general, General Clever Alcala, the guy we trust?
	It didn't make sense to them.
	And so this was the...
	Strategic level sabotage or the political level sabotage.
	If I can summarize that, because the idea is the government that's trying to allegedly lure you into this coup is now arresting the biggest asset that you have for this coup, which may even from a purely amoral perspective makes no sense.
	Exactly. So you have the CIA pushing up the chain through like...
	These assets, Venezuelan Guaido, they talk, you know, they have this conversation.
	We need to put this guy on the list, whatever.
	He gets arrested, destroys the op.
	I'm now abort criteria.
	I am now, okay, I've got to get my men out of Venezuela.
	I'm sailing my boat at this point.
	And I have, there's a guy with me and I have a text message from him that proves this, right?
	Like this is the, this is, I guess, a big contention to, oh no, he's lying.
	He never was, look, man, I was going to get my guys out.
	I've got the text message to prove it.
	I go, I get close to Curse.
	I think I'm 60 miles from where my men are, something like that, and the boat breaks.
	And it was mysterious, right?
	Because it was a belt that was a brand new belt, had been running fines, diesel.
	Anyways, it's conjecture.
	I don't know what, I don't know.
	Point is, the boat breaks.
	I'm in the middle of the Caribbean Sea.
	Now it's COVID.
	It takes me a week to get back.
	I'm picked up by a huge Chinese tanker.
	Head back to, I think I land in Alabama or Mississippi somewhere.
	And this is where the fun starts, right?
	Because now I've got two men in Venezuela that are trapped.
	I know it.
	The CIA knows it.
	The FBI knows it.
	Because when you look at it, so they actually flipped the guy in the boat and made him a confidential informant.
	The CIA knows it.
	Who are the two that are left in Venezuela?
	Not by name.
	My two Green Berets.
	Okay, so American citizens.
	Yeah, Americans.
	This is an international scandal if two X or Green Berets are left from a failed Maduro coup, now getting arrested, paraded around by Maduro.
	That's what happened.
	Now, the CIA knew.
	The CIA, I mean, they had assets in the...
	It was their op.
	It was a CIA.
	You know, subversive op.
	Got it.
	What the FBI finds out, they find out three weeks before.
	Let's pretend that the CIA and the FBI don't talk, but they do because they all share the same IC.
	Look, I was part of the IC.
	When you're part of the IC, there are task forces that meet.
	There's meetings that people have.
	And in that meeting, you'll have DEA, Army Special Forces.
	You might have a Navy guy.
	You might have a Coast Guard intel guy.
	But you always have a lawyer.
	And you always have a roster.
	You go to write down the roster and you say names off, right?
	So let's just say for argument's sake that doesn't happen in the FBI.
	They don't know.
	I don't really know.
	Well, now they know.
	Because the dude who gets off the boat, who they turn into a, they flip into a confidential informant, he, he lets them know everything, man.
	Like he, he's not working for the FBI.
	So they know, they know, I guess what he knows.
	It makes a great plot to a movie, but some people are going to say you sleep with dogs and you're going to get tics.
	To entertain this idea, you're getting involved with very bad players.
	I'm trying to think of who the FBI and the CIA is at this point, because this is 2019.
	This is anti-Trump.
	This is Strunk.
	This is, you know, post-Russia collusion hoax.
	And might I add, like I said, the head FBI agent is one of the FBI agents who worked on the Russia collusion hoax.
	Yeah, well, and also this is pre-COVID, call it whatever you want, that actually successfully took Trump out.
	So did this make, I mean, I feel dense.
	Did this make news at the time?
	It hit the news, but listen, the news was heavily curated, obviously.
	Look, man, this is a different world.
	This is a very nuanced version of Operation Mockingbird.
	As you've seen over the last couple of days, the whole USAID funding news agencies.
	And then when AP comes out and says, we've never taken money from USAID, but we've taken millions from other government agencies.
	It's like, okay.
	So when do the weapons then?
	So you have two Green Berets left in Venezuela.
	You got to go back.
	Two Green Berets.
	Right. I try to get them.
	Boat brakes.
	Like magically, the boat brakes.
	Get back.
	Sorry. I'm trying to look at a map at the same time.
	Why are you on the water?
	Like Venezuela, Colombia, they are...
	Are you going around the ocean?
	Okay, right.
	Here's why.
	Okay. Just so everybody knows, because they're contiguous land borders.
	Like, why would you be on the water?
	Here's what you have to understand.
	The topography and the way that Venezuela is set up, if you try to go in through the land, whether it's the south through Brazil, through the west, through Colombia, or through the east, there are checkpoints, numerous checkpoints.
	And it's...
	It's incredibly difficult.
	I looked at that option, by the way.
	Truly, you can do an air infill, which is never good for anybody, like a parachute infill, because if somebody gets hurt, then obviously going from the water, it was the most viable option.
	I'm just looking at this down.
	I see Aruba.
	That can't be the same Aruba that I know.
	Caracas. There's a big, beautiful Lago de Maracabal.
	A big inland, or it looks like a tidal bay.
	So your boat, it's straight out of a movie.
	The boat breaks, and when you said sabotage, now I understand you mean like physical, mechanical sabotage.
	You get picked up by a Chinese vessel.
	What do you have on the boat at the time?
	I've got...
	I have a sat phone, which I use to coordinate, so I'm making calls.
	One of the AP, satellite phone.
	Yeah, satellite one, so I can move the satellite service where I need to.
	I'm coordinating with my men who are trapped now in the Colombian border.
	So at this point, the news is leaked, right?
	I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh at your misfortune.
	You are suspicious as F, as we would say, getting picked up by a Chinese vessel.
	I mean, it makes for a good comedy, but unfortunately, it's not.
	Yeah, for instance, so one of the...
	I think the informant said that there were...
	Anyway, that part, we're going to get too deep in the weeds.
	So, yeah, picked up by a Chinese vessel.
	Things broke.
	Make it back to Mississippi or Alabama, whatever.
	I don't remember.
	And now I'm racking my brain to try to figure out how to get these guys out during COVID.
	So I'm making calls to Shiller.
	I'm making calls to global governments.
	I'm calling people, and I'm freaking out, man.
	I'm trying to get my guys back.
	If I can write this movie, they're all pretending they have no idea who you are.
	They hang up and say, this guy's crazy.
	They all hang up.
	Yeah, we don't know anything about this.
	Like I said in the very beginning, in the meeting, some of these global governments guys are saying, I don't know who this guy – we never talked about military solutions.
	And then some of them are saying, yes, everybody knew this was a military solution.
	I feel bad thinking it.
	You are the quintessential Patsy.
	Everyone pretends they have no idea who he is, how he got here.
	I'm the fall guy.
	Maybe not Patsy.
	I'm the fall guy.
	Do the charges come from trying to obtain firearms to get the two Green Berets out or do they predate that?
	No. They're trying to say that I shipped weapons.
	From where to where?
	From the United States to Colombia.
	Let me ask you a stupid question.
	I presume there's enough weapons in Colombia that you would not need to ship firearms.
	This is the point.
	So I know for a fact that some of these guys are already moving stuff across the country.
	Like, I don't know to the extent, because I'm not there.
	At this point, I'm in the States.
	So that part, and for me, yeah, I acquired some equipment in Colombia that was non, you know, just, okay, like I can get this gear.
	And ship it to the guys.
	So, you know, armor and flak vests and things of that nature.
	So, I did that while I was in Columbia.
	It wasn't a big deal, but that was largely their task, I guess you could say.
	Yeah. But it wasn't necessary for what I was doing.
	It was necessary for what, I guess, look, it's all one mission yet.
	There's the primary mission and then subordinate missions.
	I'm going to rely on the chat if I...
	I don't think I've missed anything, but there's still a little bit more to flesh out.
	So the charges stem from...
	What's your indictment?
	Right. This is the point, right?
	So the point is this.
	They need...
	They put Alkala in prison.
	They put him in jail.
	They needed to charge Alkala because you have high-level government...
	U.S. government officials like Bill Barr, like Gina Haspel, like Mike Pompeo, who was his lawyer, Mike Pompeo's lawyer, was one of the lawyers who actually looked at the contract and said, it's good.
	You have these high-level, powerful people who need to cover their ass.
	How they do it is they put people in prison.
	So, they put...
	Clever Alklin Jail.
	My co-defendant, who, like Yvonne Duque, the president of Columbia, put her in jail for two years for arms trafficking, which she gets out.
	And she doesn't say anything.
	She tells the truth.
	I didn't do any of this.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	But the investigation is aimed to put the fall guys in jail to protect the powerful people.
	Like the whole weaponization of the federal government.
	The executive order that was signed by the president.
	This is essentially weaponization of the federal government against a guy who tried to liberate a country, who was given executive authorization to do so.
	So anyways, yeah.
	So your specific charges, I could pull up the entitlement.
	Oh, I'm striking, man.
	Okay. And how many years is that, potentially?
	I have no idea.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I'm sure it's probably life.
	I don't know.
	Are you out on bond?
	On bail?
	Yeah, barely.
	Okay, so here's an interesting side note.
	The prosecutor who built the case against me is a guy named Patrick Scruggs.
	And Google this.
	If you Google Patrick Scruggs, Tampa, stabbing, Google that right now and watch the video.
	Is that the guy that...
	Adam Johnson, lectern guy, has been following his story.
	This is the...
	Is it the prosecutor who stabbed the guy in the car when he had a medical emergency on the road?
	Yeah, he stabbed him seven times.
	The video, he's just stabbing the guy, stabbing the guy.
	He just keeps stabbing him.
	This is the prosecutor from the Middle District of Florida who built the case against me.
	It's amazing.
	So everybody knows, and I'll pull up Lecter and Guy's tweet because he just tweeted about this last week and I think he might have updates if he's following the case.
	This was the prosecutor who...
	Tried to, you know, deny bail to Adam Johnson, lectern guy for his heinous violent crime of posing with the lectern, was caught on camera stabbing a guy who had a medical emergency in his car repeatedly.
	It was a pocket knife.
	And I joked at the time, he's going to say it was self-defense, and we'll see if that proves prophetic.
	So, he builds the case against me, and obviously, it gets passed off when he, or whatever, whatever happens, he stabs the dude.
	But this is, and listen, let me just say this, like, The Middle District of Florida and Tampa, for whatever reason, and I've been told this several times, they hate soldiers.
	They prosecute soldiers.
	Jeremy Brown, Jay Sixer, he has the exact same prosecutors that prosecuted him that are prosecuting me right now.
	I mean, so this is the...
	The amazing, because I appreciate the political dynamic of this.
	There's going to be people who don't like you for what you've done or what you were even supposed to, wanting to do, even if it was not...
	Technically trafficking firearms.
	But set all that aside, there is the charge itself, which is either legit or not.
	And by the sounds of this, it makes very little sense why you would ship.
	It's very interesting.
	If someone wanted to frame Trump and make him look stupid with a failed Bay of Pigs type operation, this is it.
	I mean, it's comical the way you describe it.
	The difference is this, right?
	So in the Bay of Pigs...
	It was the CIA who was conducting the operation.
	In this operation, it's a CIA subversion op.
	And they are, you know...
	It's the CIA on both ends.
	They're funding a different operation, it sounds like.
	And you got played for whatever reason.
	Well, here's the other part.
	Hold on, hold on.
	When you get picked up by a Chinese shipping vessel...
	It was crazy.
	Do they lower a ladder down?
	They smash the boat.
	What the guy said is, what the confidential informant says is, all the guns fly everywhere when they smash the boat.
	There's photos of it, man.
	The guys on the top, there's nothing.
	It was just like, got it, bro.
	What kind of boat were you on?
	How big?
	It was big.
	I made the journey quite easily.
	45, 49, something like that.
	Kevlar hull, dual diesel engines.
	I picked it for them.
	What's a Chinese shipping vessel like when you get on board?
	I don't know.
	It was all run by guys from Poland or somewhere.
	Another world.
	It's another world, Jordan.
	It's crazy.
	This stuff is crazy.
	Here's one of the other best parts.
	The AP Journalist, this guy's a total propagandist.
	He's been following the case.
	He's trying to shop a movie script about this.
	He's a total scumbag.
	This guy says to me, because my guys are in trouble, we're in trouble.
	He says to me, because he's been tipped off, so he's now working with J.J. Rendon, and he's working with LaPoldo Lopez's guys, and they're feeding him information and all that stuff.
	Anyways, he says to me, I say, listen, Don't publish this article because people are going to die.
	And he says, well, me and my editor, we don't think so.
	People make their own decisions in life.
	I was like, okay, great.
	So this is the moral compass of the media I was dealing with.
	Of the two that were left, one was the woman who went to jail in Columbia.
	The other one, what happened to the other one?
	Or am I wrong about that?
	No, no, no.
	So my two guys, my two guys are out now.
	Nobody knows that.
	They got out.
	The Biden administration's State Department reluctantly took them back.
	They, you know, it was really, really horrible.
	Took them back as in through hostage negotiations?
	Right, exactly.
	Alex Saab, they traded for Alex Saab, but it took forever.
	It took three years.
	You know, contrast that with Richard Grinnell goes over and gets six guys, just grabs them.
	It's pretty terrible shit.
	You know, it's politics.
	Guys were, you know, I think the FBI and CIA were afraid of what these guys were going to say.
	Obviously, my guys didn't really know much.
	I'm reading, I saw Defrauded in China, is a member of our locals community, says, seems the well-intentioned Marine was treated the same way they treated Alexander Smirnoff, who is now rotting away in a jail in California.
	He was going down the track of becoming a political prisoner.
	I think it's time to do a deeper dive into the whole Alexander Smirnoff story.
	I don't know that.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I gotta be honest, though.
	I mean, the whole thing was just a huge...
	Like, this whole thing is just this big witch hunt to put people in jail to protect powerful people.
	The question is, on the one hand, set aside the morality of the coup.
	Although people are saying, enough with the coups already.
	Let the people decide.
	And one thing, was it a legitimate coup?
	That was actually being orchestrated for the purposes of an actual coup that they aborted because whatever the reason, was it set up for a humiliation for Trump leading into the 2020 election, which seems more plausible.
	That's exactly it.
	So when people talk government, when it comes to something like this, you have to be very specific, right?
	Who? So the CIA's goal was different than the executive branch's goal was different than the Venezuelan opposition's goal.
	Venezuelan opposition's goal is, if I can't have it, nobody can, and I just want my money.
	I want my USAID.
	Do you understand?
	CIA's goal is we need to embarrass Trump.
	We've got to get this guy out.
	And that's evidenced by the Russia collusion hoax.
	You know, obviously, the 100 Biden laptop, 51 CIA agents lying.
	Like, they did not like, you know, President Trump, whatever.
	So that, in my mind, and the CIA is going to trump the Venezuelan opposition government, period.
	My guys, for my part, we legitimately just wanted to finish this op.
	That's all we wanted.
	We wanted to finish the op.
	Now, to the audience who says, oh, let them figure it out.
	Let these countries figure it out.
	That's easy for you to say because you live in a free country.
	And it was largely fought for by guys like me.
	So if you want to hate military guys trying to free other countries and make them free, I mean, I think that you would have, I would say you have a very naive worldview.
	Of what it really takes to achieve freedom in a country.
	To be perfectly blunt, you know, the French helped us in, you know, 1776.
	George Washington lost several battles.
	I mean, the only reason that people have freedom, and he didn't have the whole, everybody wants to stand up and say, I support you.
	We're going to do this and get freedom.
	That didn't happen in 1776.
	They had a ragtag group of dudes.
	And it wasn't until the French came on board where they actually started to organize militarily.
	And it is interesting.
	I delved into that on the way back, driving from Canada over the summer and watched The Patriot.
	But the reason why the French got involved was because of a long-standing feud with Britain.
	So it wasn't necessarily even to help American patriots.
	It was for their own political profit.
	Exactly. There's a lot of...
	Everybody... You know as well as I do.
	People want to...
	The way you get freedom is you have to fight for it.
	You have to fight for it, right?
	So you can do what I did, which was largely a military intelligence-style operation.
	Or you invade.
	You know, choose it.
	Or you do what they're doing now and, I don't know, threaten to jail him.
	I think they just seized Maduro's plane and they'll seize assets and sanctions and that'll hurt, you know.
	So if you remember four years ago, the run-up, it was far worse than that.
	There were sanctions.
	There was...
	You know, there were threats.
	The sable rattling back then reached, you know, a boiling point.
	There was a destroyer group storming for Venezuela.
	Like, everybody was on board with this.
	The fact that that destroyer group left, oh, I don't know, maybe a week before my guys were in position.
	I mean, this whole thing was orchestrated.
	It was not...
	The question I had was this.
	Set aside all of it.
	The indictment for weapons trafficking, weapons smuggling.
	Who are they alleging it was from and between, and what was your role in orchestrating that?
	Because this comes from...
	No, there was no...
	Listen, there's...
	And I can't share this part because this is...
	But there is some...
	The Colombian Intelligence Service...
	Let me tell you this part.
	So I've spoken with a guy.
	He's kind of a guy like me.
	Are you familiar with psychological operations?
	Have you ever heard that word?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I'm familiar with the term PSYOPs.
	Okay. Perfect.
	Okay. So we do that in the U.S. military.
	There's a unit called psychological operations.
	So in the AOB in Colombia, there was a PSYOP guy in Colombia.
	Now, when all of this went south and the Colombians kind of were a lockstep with the CIA, The Colombian Intelligence Service goes into the AOB to their American counterparts, which are SIOPs, and they say, can you help us spin this in the media?
	And the green suitor, the army guy, the army SIOP guy says, we cannot spin media against U.S. citizens.
	I don't believe that.
	Well, the US Army, we typically don't do that.
	Now, the CIA, they absolutely do.
	It's been proven they do.
	They are not supposed to work against US citizens.
	And furthermore, the fact that, look, the fact that the CIA knew and the FBI knew that my guys were stranded and that they were in danger because I couldn't get them out, this is a violation of ICD-191.
	ICD-191 is basically a duty to warn.
	You have a duty to warn US citizens who are in danger.
	And I get the argument, oh, but you know, you should have, if your guys get, if your operation gets sabotaged the way mine was, you don't know who to trust.
	You don't know who to trust.
	You get on the shore and you don't know what's going to happen.
	You don't know if, you have no idea.
	So all I know is that the FBI and the CIA, after reviewing discovery, the FBI knew that my guys were in danger and they, They didn't do anything.
	So your status right now, you're facing these charges.
	You're out on bail.
	What were the terms of your bail?
	I didn't finish the thread.
	This is why I brought it up.
	This is why I brought it up.
	Patrick Scruggs stabs a guy, and I think it gets turned into assault.
	He assaulted this guy.
	Now, if it was anybody else...
	The attempted murder.
	Two-tier justice system, right?
	If it was anybody else, and I mean anybody else, this is attempted murder.
	Because it's USAG, Patrick Scruggs, it's assault.
	Cool. He gets $65,000 bail.
	$65,000.
	And he walks, right?
	He'll probably never go.
	He probably won't go to jail.
	His lawyers, apparently, your friend who goes to the hearings, he's saying that Patrick Scruggs is...
	Lawyers are going in to talk to this guy who was stabbed and try to cut a deal with him.
	I mean, whatever.
	Okay. Sounds good.
	So my bail, which they didn't want to grant me because they said they were citing emails from four and a half years prior.
	Thank God the New York City judge basically saw through it and said, look, there's something not right with this.
	I'm going to grant bail.
	He grants my bail for $2 million.
	Shut up.
	$2 million.
	Do you have to put...
	Is it bond where you put up 10% or do you have to put up 2 mil?
	$2 million home.
	So if this isn't a two-tier justice system, man, I don't know what is.
	And they took your passport, I presume, as well?
	Yeah. I mean, if this isn't a weaponization of the federal government, I don't know.
	Travel restrictions?
	Because Lectern guy couldn't move out of the middle...
	He couldn't move out of central Florida for, I think, two years or three years.
	Exactly. I'm stock, man.
	I'm trying to get all the classified information.
	They don't want to give it up.
	The evidence is carefully curated.
	They're curating the evidence.
	They're letting it out one bit at a time.
	Look, man.
	These guys, the FBI, are trying to cover their ass.
	They know it.
	The prosecutors know it.
	The prosecutors are all in on it, man.
	This is the justice system.
	It's not a question of sympathy.
	Some people say you like to see it.
	Not FAFO, but you're dealing with politicized entities who will use anybody at any point in time for political purposes.
	The question is this now.
	For your own defense, you got indicted, it was 2024, correct?
	When did you get indicted?
	July. So they arrested me right on my birthday, which I think was just like a fuck you from the FBI.
	Was it a Friday as well?
	I don't know.
	I don't remember.
	I was going to say, so you get indicted, you get bonded out.
	How long did they detain you for before you got bonded or bailed out?
	So I was supposed to make bail, obviously, and I was going to come back the next day.
	So I didn't.
	They ended up...
	I had to stay.
	I was at MDC Brooklyn.
	That's a story in and of itself.
	That was wild.
	What do I want to say?
	Is that...
	What's his name?
	Puffer? Puffy.
	Puff Daddy.
	Puff Daddy.
	Which is where Epstein was as well.
	Right. So I'm there.
	Well, I'll tell you one story from it.
	So I get there.
	I'm in solitary confinement for a while.
	And then they really hook me up.
	They put me in with a MS-13 plank holder.
	Like this is one of the six plank holders of MS-13.
	And we're in solitary.
	This guy hasn't seen a human being.
	He's never had a visitor.
	He's been there for four years.
	And I thought, like, it's my first time in jail, man.
	I didn't know anything.
	And I'm thinking, okay, well, he shows me his paperwork, which is, you know, MS-13, he founded the gang, whatever it was.
	And he says, let me see your paperwork.
	And I guess this is how you determine if somebody, I don't know, it's like jail culture, prison culture.
	And I didn't have any paperwork.
	And so there was a moment there where I thought we were going to kill each other.
	But I'm sure that was part of the plan.
	He had a newspaper with President Trump at the time, and I said, no, we're cool.
	And he said, oh, okay.
	But that was a pretty wild episode.
	Are you 6'2"?
	Am I 6'2"?
	I am an average-sized white boy who stays in shape.
	Okay, and you are able to kill a man with your bare hands if you had to, I presume.
	I'm trying to make light of a...
	So, you're out on...
	What's the next stage of your suit?
	Because I presume even if you want full disclosure, even if there's a lawful obligation, we've seen what happened with Jan 6, and whether or not people come to whatever conclusions they want, your access to information, which is now long since deleted, I presume, you might have...
	Well, here's the thing, right?
	So the initial investigation, yeah, I'm sure everybody's covering their tracks.
	I'm sure the FBI is covering their tracks.
	I'm sure the CIA, I'm sure all of these individuals are covering their tracks.
	But the prosecutors, I mean, they have access to the same discovery I do.
	There's stuff they're withholding that I know they're withholding because there's like secret audio.
	There's a lot.
	And one of the guys they're protecting is they're investigating now.
	It's a big mess.
	And then there's one guy who's talking about, like I said, the individual who has a humanitarian aid company.
	He's talking about shipping guns.
	How many people are left caught up in this now?
	So the lady in Colombia, she's not facing anything in America?
	She is.
	She's my co-defendant.
	Okay. Yeah, no, we didn't ship anything.
	Dude, it's wild.
	I'm just reading some of the comments.
	Morality aside, it's a reality of another part of the system.
	Someone referenced Tim Kennedy, who operates in a similar world.
	Okay, here's the world.
	When people say military contractor, It's different.
	I'm not a contractor.
	I'm a guy who comes in to strategize.
	I'm a strategist, man.
	I'm not going out there and providing resources to do X, Y, and Z. Eric Prince would be a perfect example.
	Blackwater, a military contract company.
	My company is just a think tank, man.
	I'm just here to provide solutions.
	I think Tim Kennedy, I think he was a...
	He's National Guard, Green Beret or something.
	But the scale, I mean, the scale of the operational problem set is different.
	I mean, it is different.
	And there's no safety nets, right?
	Like this, I never in a trillion years, and this is the crux of it, right?
	I never in a trillion years, and look, the fact that people were listening to this and they're making comments like, oh, this guy's horrible for trying to liberate this country.
	Hey, man, the media did their job.
	The people who spun the media on me did a great job.
	They made me into a mercenary.
	The fact that you can have Americans believe that a guy who fights for the freedom of others is a bad guy, it just proves the fact that propaganda works.
	And so indoctrination works.
	You have a bunch of people in the United States who believe that fighting for freedom, even you saw this with the J6ers.
	The J6ers truly believed that they were doing the right thing.
	And all of America turned their back on them.
	All of America.
	Now people are kind of on the bandwagon because Donald Trump said it was okay.
	But everybody turned their back on J6ers.
	Not everybody.
	There were some people who were brave and they stood with the J6ers and said, no, this is wrong.
	But for the most part, because the J6ers were destroyed in the media, just like I was, people believed that what they did was wrong.
	And so what I would say is, if I'm told to do something, if I'm given an order to do something by the executive branch, I'm going to do it.
	It's going to happen.
	This extent, I was able to liberate a country.
	What was I going to say?
	Depending on how you perceive it, it's true.
	First of all, regime change, I think people are fed up with regime change as a matter of foreign policy to set that aside.
	What you're describing to the extent it's supposed to be bloodless sounds like politicking with...
	Opposition voices.
	People might not like that anymore because they see what happened in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.
	Flipside, I think most people, as I was under the impression from the beginning, that this was a straight-up assassination plot type thing.
	Let's do this.
	Let's do a little exercise.
	Are you familiar with the Monroe Doctrine?
	Yes, but I have to refresh my memory so I don't look too stupid.
	Let me simplify it.
	It basically says that we don't want bad guys on this side of our earth.
	We don't want bad guys.
	This side of the world, we don't want bad guys.
	It's a problem for us that Colombia is communist.
	It's a problem that Venezuela exists because they have all the resources they do.
	They provide white space to the Chinese, the Russians.
	So does Cuba.
	You saw a few months back, they had naval exercises.
	They were refueling in Venezuela.
	They were refueling in Cuba.
	I get it.
	People don't want this.
	They don't want coups.
	Things of that nature.
	But here's the reality.
	We are losing that war.
	So it's not just Venezuela, Cuba.
	What people have to realize, there are mining partnerships established between Brazil and China.
	Brazil is part of the BRICS nations.
	BRICS nations may be an economic partnership, but it's a prelude to a military alliance.
	This is not me talking.
	This is other strategists who understand these concepts.
	So if you look at Argentina, there is an airfield being built for Chinese military, things of this nature.
	There is a huge presence now that has been catalyzed by, I would say, this large event, which was Gideon.
	This large event catalyzed all of this subsequent...
	Handing over or change of, I guess you would say, regime in these countries, right?
	So when Trump was in office, Bolsonaro was in charge in Brazil, which is a right.
	He's on the right.
	So there was also, and I talk a lot of shit about Ivan Duque because he was part of this team that sabotaged us, but largely he was not a threat.
	He was an ally to the U.S. and all of those things.
	So I think the real geopolitical question that people have to ask is, Why would the CIA want to destabilize the South American region?
	Because this was the op that did it.
	And it was, you know, my hat's off to them.
	And they did a great job.
	They did embarrass the Trump administration.
	They destabilized South America to the point where it galvanized these other South American countries to kind of flip, I guess you could say.
	Certainly Brazil.
	Certainly Venezuela maintained its...
	I guess you would say it's...
	You know, tyrannical hold with Nicolas Maduro.
	So this is high-level, you know, world chess, man.
	Like, I don't think for a second that I wasn't playing it.
	It's just, I never, I didn't, you know, I didn't think that the CIA was that diabolical, that they would hang Americans out to dry.
	You know, I was, but at the same time, the soldier in me was...
	I'll rephrase it.
	You knew that the CIA hangs Americans out to dry.
	You never thought they would hang one of their own players out to dry.
	Right. And you potentially doubled the trade.
	Yeah, technically speaking, I didn't really care what the other people in the boats were doing.
	I mean, I did, but I didn't.
	Their op was a different op, and I knew that they were compromised, and that was okay.
	I was worried about what my piece was doing.
	Do you understand?
	I was worried about...
	Linking up and doing what I was going to do.
	They were worried about what they were going to do.
	Set aside the morality of everything.
	The only question is, did you traffic firearms for the purposes of this?
	Making it make sense, I can understand the rationale which would be, at that point, we needed them for separate reasons because we were already set up to fail and we actually did it but I had good reason or I just never did it because it was supposed to be bloodless to begin with.
	Quite simply, think about it like this.
	I have a SOFA status agreement, which allows me, and look, I was, and full disclosure, I was given authorizations to do anything I wanted, to do whatever I needed to do, whatever you need to do.
	Cool. I would have felt more comfortable if I had, like, ITAR for the later stages of the operation, and I think it was known, it was expressed to me, and it was, I guess you could say, It's represented to me that, you know, anything you need, you're going to have it once this is finished.
	Perfect. So no, like there was no, you know, I guess the evidence of this is there.
	I mean, there's no, it's one thing for people to say, yeah, this guy did it or whatever.
	But the fact is, no, there's no need.
	There's no need to.
	This was a bloodless operation as evidenced by the very first email that I sent out.
	Stop the China Hustle Fraud says, does the CCP, Chinese Communist Party, have control over of the FBI, CIA, or any of its parts?
	I think they work together.
	Am I wrong in thinking they work together on importance?
	I think that, yes.
	So the IC comprises anybody with an intelligence component, right?
	So FBI has a large intelligence component.
	This is what Kash Patel wants to destroy and dismantle.
	He wants to get rid of it.
	CIA, obviously, Central Intelligence, NSA, you've got DEA, but all of these agencies have an intelligence component.
	These intelligence components all are a subset of the IC.
	So anything that has to do with military intelligence also, these components will have task forces.
	These task forces will meet, there'll be meetings, right?
	In one meeting, for instance, Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper.
	Mark Esper meets in a room with, you know, it's Venezuelan, and this is, you know, back in probably 2020 or something.
	It's in Mark Esper's book.
	He talks about a meeting between the National Security Advisor in the U.S. and Guido's right-hand strategy guy.
	And the Venezuelan guy says to the American, the operation in Florida that we're working on that you guys know about, we're not ready yet.
	And he's talking about my operation.
	Mark Esper basically confirms it.
	And the American says, yes, it's okay, or whatever.
	He nods and agrees, right?
	So a lot of this, a lot of the evidence that I'm saying here, it's confirmed open source.
	It's in writing, and it's out of people making books and all of this stuff.
	So it's out there.
	It's just hard to aggregate it all, you know?
	Well, that is going to be your job for your own defense right now.
	Trust me, man.
	So what do you have to do to get documentation?
	Do FOIA requests even apply here?
	How do you get disclosure from...
	I don't know.
	Who are you dealing with now?
	It's a new administration.
	Are they going to be more amenable to full disclosure?
	I don't know.
	I guess it depends.
	I mean, yeah, I think so.
	I'm hoping so.
	I think that it's important to try to get to the bottom of what happened and who precisely sabotaged this and who made the decisions.
	And whoever made the decision to put Alkal on the list, that conversation has to be made public, man.
	I mean, bottom line.
	Americans, you know, got hung out to dry.
	I said we were going to talk about your security company, but there might not be enough time for that now.
	Are you able to continue working while you're out on...
	Yeah, I mean, the company's still open.
	I still, you know, I'll consult here and there, but largely I'm just trying to get...
	I mean, look, man, this thing was...
	You know, the fact that my team and I, that they're criminalizing us and not going after the real villains of this, for somebody like me, and I get it, in the media, I'm this horrible mercenary, but it's a terrible thing.
	I mean, you're going after a woman who gave everything to a country and put her own money in, and she's...
	You know, she's scared, man.
	But they don't care.
	It's more important for the United States government to protect its own people.
	And the only way they can do that is to burn down and to have, you know, fall guys.
	So I think it's horrible.
	I think it's pretty disgusting, but, you know.
	You are, well, I presume you're not appealing to, but trying to make your story known so that the powers that be can hear this out.
	I don't know if...
	Have you done many podcasts?
	Because I didn't actually hear many of this duration getting into the weeds.
	Yeah, I did.
	I did a podcast, and I mean, like you, within one minute.
	I went on the Big Mig podcast show, which is awesome, Lance.
	He's great.
	He, like you, just right away, okay, this was the CIA trying to embarrass Donald Trump.
	It was really just trying to weaponize this against him.
	It was the whole point of it.
	But he got it.
	He got it.
	I didn't have to say anything.
	Just like you, one of the first things you said was, okay, well, this was an obvious attempt to embarrass Donald Trump.
	I can definitely see how that, I mean, I can see that being the, it's a crazy, it's a crazy plot, even by Trump's foreign policy, foreign intervention policy.
	But man, the details of that, it will be a book.
	So I mean, look on the bright side.
	We've covered about 10%.
	Let me ask you a question.
	How does a guy like me, a crazy mercenary soldier guy, how do I get in the room with diplomats, with many presidents, with generals?
	How do I do that?
	You did security for Trump at an event in 2019.
	You get the call from the team at the very least.
	Here's the answer you're searching for.
	Because I'm trained to.
	I'm trained to.
	I was in the room with Look, there's businessmen in global governments.
	These guys, this is what they do.
	They make business deals.
	They weren't able to do a business deal.
	These guys do $100 million business deals.
	This business deal was $500 million.
	These guys do business deals.
	They've done many.
	I mean, why was I able to go in where they couldn't and get a business deal done and signed with the president of a recognized country?
	That should be the first question people are asking.
	But that's never asked because it's all framed, you know, framed the way it is.
	It's not because I'm, you know, it's because I'm trained to do this.
	One thing is, it's a question of framing, also a question of packaging as well.
	Like, it's one thing, you know, partaking in a political coup, working with opposition to try to, okay, that's politics.
	Shipping guns and making it sound like it was supposed to be an assassination of Maduro, which could throw the world into turmoil.
	Is another thing entirely.
	And the only question is going to be, what can people think about this?
	Who shipped them?
	I guess is the question.
	I'm presuming...
	You know that.
	I've got my...
	I have a pretty good idea.
	You don't...
	If your defense is I had nothing to do with it, you don't know who shipped them.
	Not only that.
	Well, yeah, absolutely.
	On the merits.
	That is absolutely...
	My co-defendant was in prison in Columbia for two years.
	She didn't plead out.
	She could have said, okay, fine.
	No, because she's not going to lie.
	For what?
	For what?
	So, bottom line is, somebody did it.
	Maybe, I guess, right?
	And if it's a CIA op, and if the Colombian intelligence, and this is the other part, the discovery that they haven't given us yet, which I've, you know, there was a lot of You know, funny business on the Colombian side of this.
	And if you read Anna Parapol's book, there's a point where she says that a Venezuelan, a very high-ranking Venezuelan, probably in Guido's government, said that the Colombian Intelligence Service knew about, or they facilitated this.
	Okay, so if that's the case, I ask you again, who shipped it?
	So, if it's a CIA op, If they're in Jamaica and they're sabotaging my boat, if they are putting my linchpin on a wanted poster and pulling him out of the equation, they're ensuring that the Colombian intelligence, the Colombian military, and the ELN are going to pressure my men out of a border coastal position.
	And they know for a fact that this has to go forward.
	You tell me, man.
	Jordan, let me do...
	We're going to end this and we'll say a few words offline.
	Let me just do one thing before I forget because, look, you look healthy and it's not a...
	This is our king of biltong over on Rumble.
	I'm going to read his Rumble rant, which is get back to eating healthy by adding some tasty high-protein biltong to your diet, B12 Zinc.
	It's fantastic stuff.
	I just got a new package.
	Oh, biltong, I got the package with the book.
	Right here.
	So I'll be signing my own book and sending it back to Biltong.
	Biltong, thank you.
	And then we just got one last tip in here.
	Another one from Stop the Hustle.
	L.A. police officers in Jerusalem told me some prostitutes on the laptop were FBI agents.
	He is right.
	Biblical amounts of money.
	The China Hustle.
	Yeah. FBI is...
	Well, you'd say...
	A lot of us knew the CIA is up to no good.
	They've been up to no good forever.
	It just sounds like you thought they wouldn't turn on...
	Well, not that you thought...
	You were part of the plan and now you became...
	I did my best to mitigate it.
	I really did.
	I just, you know.
	Dude, okay.
	We're going to say proper goodbyes afterwards.
	Locals, I'll do a locals, our exclusive part later from the Tesla Cybertruck.
	I want to go for a drive.
	Yes, sir.
	Can I give one shout out to Lance at the Big Make Show?
	First of all, do that and tell people where to find you because I don't know that I found you on Twitter yet.
	Yeah, find me.
	It's Jordan.
	Jordan G. Goodrow.
	Jordan G. Goodrow.
	I should have put that as my, you know, I guess.
	Dude, look at this.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me bring this out and let me bring this back up here and make sure my DMs are not open.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me just make sure.
	They're not.
	Okay. Here, here, and here.
	Where is this photograph taken?
	That is Afghan.
	I think that's either the...
	It's not the ad wall.
	That's probably just green zone.
	Just me overlooking.
	To the left is probably the ad wall.
	Wow. Wild.
	Different role than this is you.
	That is me.
	That is me.
	Yeah. So shout out.
	Who you want?
	So Mitch at...
	Lance. Lance.
	And I'm going to butcher his last name.
	Migliacci at the big Mig show.
	He was the first guy, I guess, to have me on his show.
	Like I said, just like you, within two minutes, he said, I know exactly what this is.
	Yeah, well, it plays like a comedy, like sort of a Tropic Thunder type comedy.
	Except it's not funny for you just yet because it has to have a happy ending for you and a little bit of passage of time so you can get past the trauma.
	Right. Exactly.
	Well, we're going to be, I'm definitely going to be following it, Jordan.
	Everyone knows where to find you.
	I'll pin your Twitter feed up afterwards.
	You stick around, we're going to say a proper advice.
	Locals, I'll see you in a bit.
	Rumble, hold on, what's coming up?
	Oh yeah, our Sunday night show is going to be tonight at either 6 or 9. I have to double check with Barnes.
	But this was wild.
	Jordan, thank you very much for coming on.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.

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