Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

April 9, 2024 - Viva & Barnes

02:03:54

Interview with Dexter Taylor - Prosecuted in New York for Producing "Ghost Guns"! Viva Frei Live

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Do you guys know if you're gonna let Mr. Menzies go?
	Is he going to the station at the court?
	I have no idea.
	Okay.
	For those of you who are watching or listening on podcast, turn the volume down there.
	For those of you who are listening on podcast, we're looking at a video of David Menzies, David the Menzoid Menzies, rebel news journalist up in Canada being arrested again.
	He's been arrested at least three times since I've been following him in the last year and a half.
	I follow him for longer than that, but at least three times in the last year and a half or two years, he's been arrested.
	He's been released.
	From what I understand, he was charged with trespass for being in an area in Ottawa, I believe, where there were thousands of other people he was reporting, and he has a knack for being picked up by the Gestapo of Canada.
	And why do I use that hyperbolic rhetoric, Gestapo of Canada?
	When they ask the police officer, what's going on?
	I can't tell you.
	We're just following orders.
	Do you guys know if you're going to let Mr. Menzies go?
	It's not our decision.
	We're just lodging him.
	Is he going to the station?
	It's not our decision.
	You're going to let the journalist go that you just arrested, you put in the back of the paddy wagon?
	It's not our decision.
	We're just lodging him, he said.
	It's not our decision.
	We're just following orders, people.
	This is how it happens in real time.
	How good people do bad things.
	Or bad people get empowered to do bad things.
	I don't know if these people are good or bad.
	I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
	They might be good people.
	They sure as hell are doing the heavy lifting for the bad people.
	Not our decision.
	Alrighty.
	No idea.
	I don't care.
	I'm just following orders.
	I'm just doing my job.
	I don't want to have my paycheck revoked.
	I don't want to have my bank account frozen by...
	Herr Trudeau.
	Good evening, everybody.
	Stormtroopers is one way to describe them.
	Good evening, everybody.
	Viva Fry, former Montreal litigator turned current Florida rumbler.
	Oh, and the news is that David Menzies has been released.
	He thanked all of his supporters.
	Thanks to fine folks at Rebel News.
	He has been released, and he's going to live to journalize another day.
	Rebel News is real journalism.
	They certainly are the real opposition in Canada.
	We have a state-funded media that's reliant on those government dollars.
	Sure as hell not going to cross the hand that feeds them or bite the hand that feeds them.
	Totally ridiculous.
	Commie Canada is happening in real time.
	Janie Cavander.
	We're going to talk about...
	There's going to be a theme in the intro.
	So first of all, Viva Frye.
	Montreal litigator turned Florida rumbler.
	If you're new to the channel, be sure to like, share, subscribe, yadda, yadda, yadda.
	You know what to do.
	We have a guest coming on tonight.
	He's going to come on roughly at 7 o 'clock or thereabouts.
	His name is Dexter Taylor.
	He is being persecuted, prosecuted in New York State on state charges for having an arsenal of ghost guns.
	We're going to get into that in a bit.
	The theme for the first half hour of this show is going to be the theme for the next hour or whatever of the show for however long Dexter is on for.
	Government overreach and to the point of Canada becoming a commie hellhole.
	Yes.
	I put out a vlog yesterday or the day before.
	I think it was yesterday.
	Basically documenting how you do this by controlling the media through direct financing with state media, then indirect bailouts, then indirect subsidizing through government advertising, and then through legislation.
	And now we're seeing this happen in Brazil.
	Going after Twitter and Musk.
	And they're employing the exact same tactics that have been employed up in Canada.
	It's almost like there's an annual meeting where these people get together and discuss all of these tactics.
	It's almost like these various governments across the world have been penetrated by Sir Klaus Schwab and are all employing the same tactics over and over again.
	It is scary.
	Canadians don't deserve this takeover.
	We'll talk about how you fight back peacefully, patriotically, and politically because, as we've seen on January 6th, real or perceived violence is not the answer, as we've seen on January 8th in Brazil.
	Violence is not the answer, it only empowers the tyrants, and as we've seen in Canada, you don't even have to have actual violence in order for the government to raise as a pretext violence for the purposes of violently suppressing a peaceful protest.
	Alright, for those of you who don't know how this works, we start off on YouTube Rumble.
	And vivabarneslaw.locals.com, where we should be live now.
	Are we live on Rumble?
	We're live on Rumble.
	We're live on Locals.
	Good evening, everyone, says Rob A. Stop my bitches, says Bart Cop 2. Well, Viva, I have to disagree.
	Rob, I know what you're going to disagree with.
	And I know what you're going to disagree with.
	And we'll agree to disagree on this.
	All right.
	What's going to happen tonight?
	We're going to start off...
	I might just...
	Go over to Rumble for the entire interview so as to not break up the interview.
	And then post the entire interview on YouTube tomorrow.
	It'll get the stale leftovers, not the live party that we get on Viva Fry on Rumble.
	But this is what I have to do before we get started.
	I was so excited and so distracted yesterday, I forgot to do the sponsors for yesterday's stream.
	So we're going to do them tonight.
	And it's going to fit into the theme.
	The two sponsors we have for the night.
	We're going to fit into the theme, which is government overreach and how do you protect yourself from the government, people?
	Let's do protecting yourself financially from the government, and we're going to start with gold.
	Here we go.
	Oh, yeah, look at this.
	It's not idolatry.
	It's an investment, people.
	Are we looking at the same video?
	It's going to end before I finish.
	There it is.
	Look at that.
	Oh, yeah, people.
	All right, here we go.
	New digital central digital bank currency is coming that could replace your dollars with digital currency.
	And what happens when the government can track your digital currency?
	They can shut you off.
	They can shut you down.
	And they can deplatform you.
	And they can starve you to death, basically.
	They can starve you into submission.
	Americans want to protect their liberty and privacy need to prepare themselves for what's to come.
	That's why many Americans are turning to physical gold and silver to diversify their wealth.
	If you want to protect your retirement, I recommend you request your free investment guide from my friends at Preserve Gold today.
	They'll explore the right options for you.
	They can roll over your...
	I don't know how this works, but they can roll over your investments into gold from an IRA, 401k, etc., etc.
	They make it easy.
	BBB, BBB accredited, zero consumer complaints, hundreds of satisfied clients.
	They're the founding members of the Precious Metals Association.
	So you know you're in good hands.
	And there's an exclusive offer for Viva Frye viewers.
	They'll give you up to $10,000 in free gold and silver with a qualifying purchase or retirement account rollover.
	They'll even throw in an immediate $500 credit if you request your investor guide today.
	barfgold.com forward slash Viva to get your free gold and silver investment guide.
	I always make the joke, you know, like, first of all, the link is in the pinned comment.
	The link is in the description, so go check it out.
	I always make the joke that I can't sponsor Bitcoin because I don't understand it.
	Can't understand exactly how gold valuation works either.
	All that I know is that for thousands of years, it's been the gold standard, yada, yada.
	And it's done well.
	I remember when gold was $750 an ounce, and now it's like, what?
	$2,300 an ounce.
	Canadian.
	Preservegold.com.
	Promo code VIVA.
	Get your free guide and protect your future.
	Now, speaking of...
	I'm going to get into the story.
	I'm going to summarize the story of Dexter Taylor's plight.
	We're going to go over the charges.
	The story briefly before he comes in, so we don't have to start from ground, you know, basically.
	Point zero when he comes in.
	But before we're going to get there, what's going on in the news, people?
	I'm going to put out a vlog.
	Later on, I couldn't finish it before getting this stream going.
	Brazil.
	I had on a while back Paolo Figueiredo.
	I did an interview with him after Bolsonaro had lost the election in Brazil.
	It was after the January 8th.
	They literally have their own January 6th.
	Every country now has to fabricate their own day of insurrection.
	You've got January 6th in America.
	You've got your Ottawa protest in Canada, you've got your January 8th in Brazil, and they use it as a pretext to come down with exactly what is coming down right now in Brazil.
	I will decline, Associated Press.
	Elon Musk will be investigated over fake news and obstruction in Brazil after a Supreme Court order.
	There's going to be a funny vlog when I finish editing it after the stream, but Brazil, it's a very interesting...
	I can't pretend to understand exactly how things work.
	You know, it's democracy, they have elections, although there's a lot of charges and accusations of fortification of elections, controlling information, censorship, etc., etc.
	But there's a dude in Brazil named Alexandre de Moraes, who is on the Supreme Court of Brazil.
	And apparently, from what I was explained from Paulo Figueiredo, whose grandfather was the former president of Brazil back in the 1980s, This guy, Moais, is basically the most powerful person in the country because the judiciary effectively controls the country and dictates policy and law.
	And they're working now hand-in-hand with Lula, the newly elected lefty.
	And what do commies like to do?
	They like to censor ideas because they can't win on the free, peaceful, open debate of ideas.
	They can only win through suppression and violence.
	This is what's going on in Brazil because now they're asking Musk to basically do what...
	They were trying to do, in America, back when, you know, Baker the lawyer was infiltrating or had infiltrated Twitter, when you had your backdoor meetings with the CIA, the FBI, who were telling Twitter to take down posts, suppress stories that were actually true, the suppression of which actually interfered with elections, that being the Hunter Biden story.
	They're doing in Brazil what they tried to do and got away with in America until Elon bought the company and blew the lid off of it.
	A crusading Brazilian Supreme Court justice has included Elon Musk as a target in an ongoing investigation over the dissemination of fake news.
	Sound familiar?
	Investigate the company, investigate the man under the pretext of fake news and disinformation.
	In his decision, Justice Alejandro de Moraes noted that Musk on Saturday began waging a public, quote, disinformation campaign.
	This is...
	Regarding the top court's actions, that Musk continued the following day, most notably with comments on his social media that X would not comply with the court orders to block certain accounts.
	If you don't know what's going on, in Brazil, the court ordered Musk to take down a number of Twitter accounts.
	Publication ban, obviously, because you can't have any sunlight on this.
	We don't know which accounts.
	We don't know why.
	Musk and Twitter don't know why either.
	But they're being ordered to take down these accounts.
	They can't disclose which accounts.
	They can't disclose which justices issued this order.
	And they can't discuss it publicly because democracy dies in darkness is not a fear, but rather a strategy.
	Musk, the CEO, and Musk says, I'm not doing it.
	CEO of SpaceX, who took Twitter publicly, he accused Morais of suppressing free speech and violating Brazil's constitution, noted that ex-users could seek to bypass any shutdown of the social media platform by using VPNs or virtual private networks.
	I was going to make as a joke that Musk should invest in a VPN company in Brazil.
	He will be investigated for alleged intentional criminal instrumentalization of X. Show me the man and I will find you the crime.
	And once we say that disinformation is criminal, like we're trying to do up in Canada, once we're trying to criminalize speech, you're going to go after the platforms.
	This is what is to come in Canada.
	We're just a few years behind.
	Intentional criminal instrumentalization of X as part of an investigation into a network of people known as digital militias who allegedly spread defamatory fake news and threats against the Supreme Court justices.
	It's an amazing thing.
	If they post threats, there are already laws to deal with that.
	But take it down, take the accounts down, or we're going to shut your business down and investigate you, Elon.
	Listen to this.
	According to the text of the decision, the new investigation will look at whether Musk engaged in obstruction, criminal organization, and incitement.
	Rico!
	Go after Musk for Rico for not suppressing free speech.
	The flagrant conduct of obstruction, of Brazilian justice, incitement of crime, the public threat of disobedience, of court orders, and future lack of cooperation from the platform are facts that disrespect the sovereignty of Brazil, Demoraes wrote Sunday.
	Excess Press did not officially reply for a request, yada, yada, yada.
	Brazil's political right has long characterized de Moraes as overstepping his bounds to clamp down on free speech and engage in political persecution.
	This is de Moraes.
	It's literally like the guy from Star Wars or The Ring.
	As you absorb all that power, it absolutely sucks your soul out of your body.
	In Digital Militia's investigation, lawmakers from former President Bolsonaro's circle have been imprisoned and his supporters' homes raided.
	Bolsonaro himself became a target of the investigation in 2021.
	I don't think we really need to go much more into this detail.
	This is exactly what they're doing to Trump in America.
	It's a page out of communist, fascistic, totalitarian playbook.
	They're doing this in Brazil.
	They're doing this in America in real time.
	And these are the countries looking at Putin and saying this guy's a dictator, looking at Kim Jong-un saying this guy's a dictator.
	The justice in March 2022 ordered a shutdown of the messaging app Telegram.
	Demorais' defenders have set his decisions, although extraordinary.
	It's warranted.
	They're legally sound and necessary to purge social media of fake news as well as extinguish threats to Brazilian democracy.
	Notoriously underscored by the January 8, 2023 uprising.
	A few hundred people took over a building.
	Uprising.
	Judicial decisions can be subject to appeal but never deliver it noncompliance.
	This is where the problem ultimately is.
	Principals Mattis is...
	Everybody's heard this news.
	This is where the issue actually lies, where you say, got to respect the law of the land in countries in which you operate when you bend the knee like he did in India, when you bend the knee like he did to Turkey.
	I mean, at some point, you make a business decision as to whether or not you're going to operate by the rules of corrupt totalitarian regimes.
	And you'll remember Musk infamously said, you're going to blackmail me with money?
	Go fuck yourself.
	And the problem is, as one country starts to do it after another, and as one country sees the bending of the knee in other countries, they're empowered to do it.
	At some point, Musk is going to have to make the decision that Rumble had to make.
	When they told Rumble to take down RT in France, and Rumble said, we can't do that.
	It's against our principles as a free speech platform.
	They said, okay, well, that's it.
	Rumble said we will not do business in France.
	Now, if you're in France and you want to get Rumble, you've got to get a VPN.
	But at some point, they're going to have to make the decision as to whether or not they continue to operate under the rules of corrupt, unjust regimes that cause them and force them to violate their own principles of existence.
	And it's going to be a duller consideration or it's going to be a principled consideration.
	But that's what's going on in Brazil.
	And that's what's going on in Canada, by the way.
	I'm going to draw some analogies here.
	They've got to enact legislation to tamp down on disinformation on the internet.
	They're going after Trump in Georgia for a RICO organization of overturning elections.
	It's the same playbook across the globe right now.
	And at some point, people have to understand it and vote accordingly because it's the biggest year for votes, the biggest election year.
	Globally, in a long time, if ever.
	This is very good.
	Greg McNeely says, read C.S. Lewis' quote of all tyrannical regimes.
	Well, hold on.
	We'll pull it up.
	I've read this multiple times on the channel.
	It's the best.
	Of all the tyrannies, the one sincerely exercised with the blessing, C.S. Lewis tyrannies.
	Here, listen to this.
	I'll bring it up.
	Here we go.
	Look at this.
	It's fantastic.
	Share screen.
	Take this down.
	Present.
	And no thanks!
	Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.
	It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
	The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
	They may be more likely to go to heaven, yet at the same time, likelier to make a hell on earth.
	Their very kindness stings with intolerable insults to be, quote, cured against one's will and cured of states which may not, which may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will to be classed with infants iniquity.
	It's beautiful.
	Okay, let me see what's going on here on Rumble and YouTube.
	Hold on.
	Check this out.
	Booyah!
	I think we've got two new members.
	Stop screen.
	And hold on.
	We've got two new members.
	Look at this.
	This is fantastic.
	There's one simple hearing hack anyone can use to improve their hearing.
	Oh, gosh.
	I'm screwing everything up.
	I can't read it.
	Hope for Love and Peace is a new monthly supporter.
	Welcome to the channel.
	Hope for Love and Peace.
	Oh my goodness.
	All right.
	And by the way, so let's just, we're going to get all of the, um, I'm not going to forget again tonight.
	The next sponsor also in the vein of freedom and freedom and revolution coffee.
	It's called 1775 for a good reason, because that's the year that came before 1776.
	Are you a sleepy Joe who has zero cognitive performance?
	Scared of walking upstairs without being worried.
	You're going to fall down.
	Scared of walking upstairs without being worried you're going to fall down?
	Do you struggle to muster and focus and brain power for the basic things in life, such as eating ice cream or riding a bike?
	You need to stop drinking woke, liberal coffee.
	Stop going to Starbucks and start your day by drinking Rumble's very own 1775 coffee.
	Never mind it'll be the best-tasting coffee you've had in your life, as it's seriously good.
	It'll put hair on your chest, as I like to say.
	It's also ethically sourced from a family farm in the high-altitude mountains of Bolivia.
	So instead of waking up tomorrow morning and drinking your mold-infested big corporations, 1775.com right now.
	Go there, pick up your first bag, use promo code Viva to save 10% off your first order.
	My favorite most is the dark one.
	I just get the dark one.
	I think dark has less caffeine than the light.
	I'm not sure how that works.
	Dark is good.
	You won't regret it for a moment.
	Level up your morning routine with a bag of 1775 coffee.
	Sleep well at night knowing your hard-earned dollars are going towards a company that supports free speech and the creators over here on Rumble.
	1775.com.
	Booyah!
	I think it's forward slash Viva or promo code Viva, whatever it is.
	The links to both of our wonderful sponsors are in the top comment.
	Okay, so now we're going to get ready for the stream.
	Although I had a couple of videos that I wanted to play here, but maybe I'll save them for tomorrow.
	By the way, I'm heading to Ottawa for the Canadian Strong and Free Network.
	So that's going to be fun.
	Look, to make sure we have enough time, I'm going to go over the story of the day so that we know the basics before our guest comes on.
	Ghost guns is a very scary word.
	They're untraceable.
	The government can't know that you have them.
	And the government needs to know everything that you have so they can know whose door to knock or knock down.
	And they don't want people assembling their own guns.
	Basically, the war on the Second Amendment is that which facilitates the war on the First Amendment.
	And now, having lived and grown up in Canada, and I love and adore what I do believe is the culture of Canada, one thing is for certain, we do not have the same Second Amendment culture up in Canada that exists in America.
	That being said, and I don't think it's a coincidence, we don't have the same First Amendment culture.
	Up in Canada that we have down here in America.
	And whether or not they're interconnected, who knows?
	Okay, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Lynn Westover Jr., the man...
	Dude, how's it going?
	First of all, Heidi had her baby goat, so you'll have to come up and check it out.
	Alison Morrow, check out her YouTube channel.
	Check out her Rumble channel.
	Her locals is...
	Alison Morrow at Locals?
	Lynn, let us know what her locals is.
	They're friends.
	I went to see them.
	They're friends.
	These are wonderful people that I've met through this.
	They had a goat, not just Peter, the one who I made friends with.
	They had a female goat that had a baby, and I already saw the picture of it, Lynn.
	It's beautiful.
	Congratulations, and may there be many a goat cheese and that stuff.
	Okay, back to the guy.
	So the guy that we're going to interview tonight, Dexter Taylor, is a New York born and raised.
	Seems like a very good guy.
	I've listened to a number of his interviews today.
	He is a Second Amendment proponent, member of the local rifle club.
	I now know this impeccable, flawless, immaculate, no criminal record.
	He took an interest in assembling his own firearms.
	And he was raided, but how, by the government, and now is standing trial under a state statute.
	And that's it.
	Ghost gun bust reveals arsenal.
	An arsenal at a New York City apartment.
	Prosecutors.
	Does this ring any bells of familiarity?
	Like when the Coutts four were arrested and they found an arsenal of firearms, all of which were legal, perhaps with the exception of one, and I don't know why, but I'd want to qualify that.
	An arsenal.
	They go and they raid the Coutts men during the protest.
	Find an arsenal of weapons and, I'm not saying weapons, firearms and ammunition.
	And then the CBC prints the photo.
	It's a very scary photo.
	Similar tactics everywhere.
	Once you notice them, and once you know how they're used, you don't go and read this and say, holy crap, they found an arsenal at this guy's apartment?
	At least 13 completed guns were recovered from a Brooklyn man's home, according to prosecutors.
	An arsenal of ghost guns was discovered at the home of a Brooklyn man accused of buying gun parts worth thousands.
	And constructing the untraceable firearms.
	Imagine that they're going after this guy, who we're going to hear the entire story of tonight, for having untraceable firearms, allegedly.
	So untraceable that they managed to find him, but we'll get to how that happened because I know.
	And yet the Nobel Peace Prize winning Obama literally sells traffic's firearms to Mexican cartels who then use them to murder Border Patrol agents and...
	That man gets a Nobel or he got his Nobel Peace Prize beforehand.
	This man gets prosecuted.
	County prosecutors said the man had four assault weapons.
	I'd like to know how they define that.
	Five handguns and four rifles completed, assembled and stashed.
	Completing, assembled and stashed at his Brunswick apartment when authorities executed a search warrant April 6th.
	Dexter Taylor, 51, was arraigned.
	37 count indictment.
	He's up for 18 years in jail.
	By the sounds of it.
	Attorney.
	Information for the man was not immediately known.
	The defendant allegedly acquired a massive arsenal of homemade ghost guns that are as real and dangerous as traditional firearms.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought I knew something called the Second Amendment in the States.
	I thought I heard of this decision called the Bruin decision that...
	Resolved a lot of these issues, the Brooklyn District Attorney Eric Gonzalo said.
	In addition to the 13 completed firearms, officials found rifle and pistol magazines, casings, bullets, primers, and gunpowder to build ammunition and various tools commonly used to build firearms.
	In other words, he's a very, very run-of-the-mill, ordinary gun owner.
	But in New York, gun ownership is a liability, and that is part of the plan.
	Police investigators determined Taylor ordered ghost gun kits from online sellers and had them shipped to his Brooklyn apartment, according to prosecutors.
	By assembling guns from kits, unfinished parts, or 3D printed components, those who possess ghost guns evade critically important background checks and registration requirements, and because they have no serial number, they are untraceable, Gonzalez said.
	It's funny, the guys are pretty sure he's a registered firearm owner.
	Pretty sure.
	We'll see.
	State and federal officials have targeted these types of guns turning up at crime scenes.
	I'd like to know, we're going to discuss this, what rate of gun crime is committed by ghost guns?
	I would imagine it's a fraction of a percent.
	We'll see.
	I'm actually going to look this up in a second after we finish this.
	Oh, sorry.
	So they show up at crime scenes in increasing numbers, including in the Bronx, where police believe a suspect used a ghost gun in the slaying of a 16-year-old honors student.
	So we have one case where they believe.
	Not sure they believe.
	Earlier this month, the Biden administration unveiled a new rule to change the definition of a firearm and will carve federal firearm dealers to add serial numbers to ghost guns that come their way.
	So that's what the man has been charged with.
	That's the overview, and I don't want to get too much into it.
	But this is obviously a very important issue.
	I mean, it's important for Canada as well, but much more important for the States, obviously.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me see something here.
	Viva, be very careful.
	There are no such thing as a ghost gun.
	Well, obviously, they're not quite that ghosty if it resulted in the raid of Dexter.
	Build kits are the most expensive way to build guns.
	Yeah, and when the kits are traceable, nobody's got a ghost gun.
	Hold on, I just got an...
	Oh, there we go.
	I got an email.
	Okay, cool.
	Sorry, I got an email.
	So that's the story.
	Now, that's what's going to be happening here.
	It's a very important issue.
	There's been...
	I have been told, because I know who my audience is, that not enough people are paying attention to this story.
	So we're going to put it on blast a little bit tonight.
	And let me see here.
	BulkBogan at VivaFry.
	I am an FFL.
	Ghost guns are already required to have cereals before we can sell them.
	FFL.
	I know that means Firearm Train, but hold on.
	Let me just see what FFL stands for.
	FFL Firearm Acronym.
	I know the chat's going to get it before I can get it.
	Federal Firearm License.
	Okay.
	That's like the PAL up in Canada.
	Someone's going to get it before I can type it up.
	Thank you.
	It's like the Private Acquisition License up in Canada.
	So it's a big issue.
	And now let me actually just text our guest and make sure everything's good.
	Hold on one second.
	All good on your end?
	Let me know if there's a problem.
	I'm live now.
	We'll bring you in as soon as I see you in the backdrop.
	So that's the situation.
	We're going to get to our guest in a minute.
	Actually, you know what we're going to do?
	We're going to end on YouTube before it happens.
	And did I forget this?
	No, I got Lynn West over with the goat.
	Okay, good.
	Everybody.
	Come on over to Rumble.
	We're going to end this on YouTube.
	The question was this.
	Thank our sponsors.
	Links are in there.
	1775coffeepreservegold.com.
	Promo code Viva for both of them, obviously, for obvious reasons.
	We're going to end this on YouTube.
	Bring it over to Rumble.
	The link is in the pinned comment, and I'll give everybody the link to locals as well.
	It's nothing like a pal.
	Hold on.
	Link to locals.
	Boom.
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	All right, come on over to Rumble or Locals, people.
	But we are ending on YouTube.
	Now.
	Okay, I didn't delete it.
	I was getting nervous when I did that.
	I'm going to go to Locals for a second and see some questions here.
	Dealers have to serialize a gun before they sell one, but a private individual does not.
	Encryptus says VivaFry.
	There is an entire world of hacking and cyber crap going on for people who download and talk about 3D printing or carving files on forms.
	There, in my view, is absolutely zero chance that anybody who's engaging in ghost gun construction or 3D printing of firearms is not being surveilled and is doing it anonymously.
	It's not possible.
	And if anybody thinks like Telegram is also free from surveillance, good luck with that.
	So no, I'm not getting into ghost guns and I'm not getting into printing or assembling firearms at home.
	Not something I'm doing.
	So I don't believe that anybody doing it is doing it not being surveilled.
	I think everybody's being surveilled and it's as risky as anything you can possibly do.
	Hold on a second.
	Let's get our locals.
	By the feds.
	Depends from state to state.
	80% doesn't need serial numbers unless transferred through FFL.
	We got that.
	Federal firearms license is a dealer.
	Oh, then I'm an idiot.
	Okay.
	Encrypta says, federal firearm license is a dealer, so that's not a license that you have like the PAL.
	Okay, so scrap that.
	In fact, now I feel like an idiot.
	Doesn't matter.
	Okay.
	Let me see here.
	I'm going to look in the back and see if our guest is in here and stay in this screen and come over to Rumble for a bit.
	Let's see here.
	We got David.
	Have you read Dinesh D'Souza's book, The Big Lie, says Shofar?
	I have not.
	Then we got Eric Fishing's adventures.
	Red flag laws are unconstitutional bullcrap.
	I now understand all of these arguments a lot better than I did once upon a time because it starts off with what they say are common sense restrictions or common sense verifications and then you see how they get weaponized the same way they've weaponized everything once you understand that the end goal is not regulation but prohibition.
	Okay, let me see here.
	Okay, good.
	We're on in a couple minutes.
	So before Dexter gets here, by the way, hold on.
	There was some funny stuff here.
	Oh.
	You know what I'm going to save all of this for tomorrow?
	Except this.
	And no, that is not Kate Olsen from that show where they had the twins.
	Full House.
	It's not Kate Olsen from Full House.
	She makes a lot of sense.
	Listen to this.
	So you've been lied to about this.
	Our founding fathers were not old, contrary to our current government.
	Every time I ask students to describe the founding fathers in three words, I hear old white men.
	But on July 4th, 1776, James Monroe was 18 years old.
	Aaron Burr was 20. John Marshall was 20. Alexander Hamilton was only 21 years old.
	Betsy Ross was 24. James Madison was 25. Thomas Jefferson was only 33 on July 4th, 1776.
	Meanwhile, the other day I'm watching the State of the Union and I feel like I am watching a live simulcast of the world's most expensive nursing home.
	If you are a teenager or a college student or a young adult and you want to make a difference, stop waiting for permission for leadership from the people who refuse to leave office and have been in Washington, D.C. longer than twice the time we've been alive, who can't remember their own name, or who were born before the invention of the microwave oven.
	Yeah, that one hurts.
	Because despite what we've allowed to happen in modern society, our country is not supposed to be governed by the same people throughout their entire lifetime.
	And the world relies on young voices speaking truth to power.
	It did in 1776, and it still does in 2024.
	And if you need some more inspiration, here you go.
	Isabel Brown.
	I'm an idiot.
	I didn't see that.
	Isabel Brown is the person, people.
	I've never seen it before.
	I saw that video, and I liked it a lot.
	And I'll give everybody the link to that.
	Link!
	And the funny thing about that, there was another tweet that came up earlier where, oh, hold on.
	Do I have it in the backdrop here?
	Oh, yes, it's Dan Goldman.
	That's right.
	Listen to this.
	Listen to this, people.
	Bearing in mind exactly what that young lady just said.
	Oh, hold on one second.
	That's my reply to Dan Goldman.
	Oh, son of a bee sting.
	Ah, hold on one second.
	I'm just going to open it up here.
	Hold on one second.
	Hold on.
	Dan Goldman, who's Schiff 2.0, put out a tweet, and it's so freaking hilarious.
	It's straight out of Goebbels' playbook, but it's the ultimate motivation for young people to vote.
	Trump and his allies are planning to weaponize the DOJ and abuse the tools of justice to target political enemies without evidence.
	Trump's Project 2025 will decimate our institutions and end democracy as we know it.
	We must stop him in November.
	Our democracy depends on it.
	The funniest reply to that was someone who said, Dude, are you trying to get me to vote for Trump?
	Because I don't even want to.
	I will just focus on my...
	His allies are trying to weaponize the DOJ and abuse the tools of justice to target political enemies without evidence.
	Says the guy who's of the political party that is touting the...
	Multiple criminal charges against Trump, the multiple civil charges against Trump, the RICO charges against Trump, the wholesale weaponization of the system against Trump, his lawyers, his allies, his...
	You could not get a more projection, accuse your adversaries of what you are doing so as to create confusion.
	And I just said, this is literally what you are doing right now, you raging idiot.
	How much more of a detestable human can you possibly be?
	You are the reason why stereotypes.
	Because people hate lawyers, by the way.
	Dan Goldman, lawyer.
	People hate lawyers.
	And there's an old expression in the practice that 5% of the lawyers, no, 95% of the lawyers give the other 5% a bad reputation.
	So that was funny.
	But everyone, this is the biggest year ever.
	Like 2024, especially November 2024 in America.
	I think everybody always says this election is the most important election, but this election is the most important election.
	Now that we know that we survived four years, or at least touch wood up until now, have survived four years under Biden, this will be the most important election in American history.
	With that said, stay tuned, people.
	Okay, our guest is coming in.
	Give it a second here, people.
	Is it a conspiracy against Trump?
	Viva says No Money Music.
	Abso-freaking-lutely.
	Can you imagine?
	Trump has been in the public eye for 40-plus years.
	He's been in business in New York for four decades.
	You know, it's one thing.
	They started off calling him racist, and that didn't work.
	Then they called him a Russian asset.
	That didn't work.
	Then they tried to impeach him, and that didn't work.
	So what do they have to do?
	Try to criminalize him.
	The man has been in business for decades in New York, never had a problem with the law until Leticia James campaigned off prosecuting Trump.
	One, prosecuted Trump.
	The man was never accused of any improprieties until batshit crazy E. Gene Carroll manufactured a story, a hallucination two and a half decades old, lobbied to change the law.
	I don't know.
	No, stay here, stay here.
	Mom's not home.
	Okay, fine.
	E. Jean Carroll manufactures a hallucination that's two and a half decades old.
	They literally changed the law to allow her to sue him, and then he gets sued for sexual abuse.
	It's an amazing thing.
	Nothing bad ever happened to Trump until he ran against the Democrats.
	Never any criminality against Trump until they decided this is the 2023-2024 tactic against Trump.
	It's election interference.
	They go after him on bogus fraud charges in New York.
	They gag him on that trial.
	They go after him on bogus felony bookkeeping mistakes.
	Not mistakes, but bookkeeping issues.
	Gag him.
	Gagging a political rival in an election year under bullcrap pretext of basically protecting the corruption of the judge there.
	You got your judge Morais in Brazil, and you got your judge Juan Marchand in New York putting their thumbs on the scale of democracy.
	Putting their thumbs on the scale of democracy by covering the mouths of their political opponents.
	So, that's all I have to say about that.
	All Dr. Drew followers are redirected to VivaStream.
	Welcome, Dr. Drewpers.
	People watching at the moment.
	Okay, good.
	We're waiting for Drew.
	I know Drew is he's he's getting in there.
	He's getting ready.
	So give him a second because he's been at court all day being prosecuted for his ghost guns.
	And we're going to talk about this because it's wildly important.
	Although we do have a few seconds.
	So let's just let's just go ahead and play the other the other video here.
	Listen to this.
	Oh, no.
	OK.
	Listen to this.
	Yeah.
	Remember, accuse your adversaries of what you are doing so as to create confusion.
	They accused Trump of weaponizing the deal.
	He's going to go after his political rivals with no evidence.
	After they impeached him twice, he was acquitted twice, called him a Russian agent.
	And are now going after them with a slew of lawfare prosecutions across...
	Listen to what AOC has to say.
	AOC is now like mini Schiff.
	Although she's always been Schiff for brains, so it kind of makes sense.
	Republican Congressman Mike Turner and Michael McCaul said that Russian propaganda has infected the Republican Party's base and the Republicans in Congress were repeating Russian propaganda on the House floor.
	Can I get a witness?
	Have you seen this?
	And what do you make of that kind of self-accusation?
	Yeah, I mean, I think if you turn on any House oversight hearing in the last year, you will see Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and all these folks engaged in wildly propagandistic rhetoric.
	Wildly propagandistic.
	Let's just rewind a second.
	We just went through an impeachment attempt on the President of the United States that was started with a source that Republicans used that was in communication with Russian intelligence.
	Stop right there.
	In communication with Russian intelligence means jack squat.
	It means nothing.
	And that's the best she could say, honestly, but wait for her spin doctor master there, Stephen Colbert propagandist, to spin it into something more than what she said.
	In communication with...
	It didn't say that he was directed by.
	It didn't say that he was actually relaying any Russian disinformation, whatever the hell that is.
	The only people spewing disinformation are the Democrats.
	But no, no.
	That's the best she could say.
	In communication with.
	And it means nothing because he was an asset.
	He was an asset to the FBI.
	Obviously, he's going to have had communications with.
	Listen to this.
	So you have not just the bottom bench here, you have the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Representative Comer, take quote-unquote evidence in account from someone who was working with the Russian intelligence and tried to impeach and remove the President of the United States over it.
	Imagine how they could do that.
	They literally did that in 26. I mean, it's just...
	It's so frustrating because we all understand this and anybody with half a brain understands this.
	This is serious.
	How did they not know or did they know that this was connected to the Russians?
	Or did they not figure that out because they hadn't translated from the Cyrillic?
	That, I think...
	She didn't say it was connected to the Russians.
	She just said that the guy was in communication with Russians, which means absolutely nothing.
	All right, it's very frustrating, everybody.
	We're going to cleanse our palates now with...
	Hearing the story of a man who's being persecuted in real time.
	For Ghost Guns, if you don't know who Dexter Taylor is, you're gonna know after watching tonight.
	Dexter, I'm bringing you in.
	You ready?
	Here comes our guest.
	Three, two, one.
	Sir, at the risk of asking the obvious question, how goes the battle?
	Hey, it all is lovely.
	Says the man who just got out of a full day of criminal prosecution.
	Have you started the actual trial yet?
	Yes, we started last week.
	Again, it's been going on.
	The proceedings have been going on since April of 2022.
	Most recently, we finally got through all the preliminaries.
	The state switched prosecutors on us.
	They switched judges on us a couple of times.
	Last week, we finally impaneled the jury.
	And then Thursday of last week, we...
	I started doing opening arguments, so we're in the midst of it.
	You're in the thick of it.
	I don't even want to get there yet, because we've got to start all the way at the beginning, going back to your childhood, sir.
	Okay, so I know your story, but many people out there might not.
	30,000 foot overview.
	Don't worry, Chad, I'm not going to spend a half an hour on childhood, just a few minutes.
	Who are you, for those who don't know?
	Sure.
	My real name is Dexter Taylor.
	Nam Daguerre is Carbon Mike.
	I'm a native New Yorker.
	I'm a 30-year veteran of the software industry.
	I'm a licensed amateur radio operator, technician class.
	I'm a studio owner.
	I'm sitting in the control room of the third recording studio I've built.
	Had a lot of different jobs.
	I've taught film school.
	I started my own film school at one point called Brooklyn Movie Labs.
	Let's see.
	I'm a father.
	I'm a neighbor.
	I'm a builder.
	I make a lot of my own furniture.
	And a few years ago, I got into gunsmithing.
	I found out that there were people who were taking what they called 80% firearms, legal parts.
	Machining these 80% receivers to completion, then adding other legal parts to turn them into completed firearms, and I was hooked.
	So I started off just making Glock-style pistols, and that was pretty awesome.
	And then I made eight very sexy AR-style rifles, two of which were bolt-action, one of which was an AR-10, like a big...
	What do you call it?
	A takedown hunting rifle with a removable barrel and a folding stock.
	I just loved all this stuff.
	And I also thought that was going to be an entree into my second career.
	I started developing a lot of systems and products and concepts that I thought I was going to build into real things.
	Because I thought that it would be pretty awesome to take my expertise as a data engineer, as a software guy.
	And bring it to the world of weapons science.
	So, you know, I enrolled in my local gun range, passed the criminal background check, obviously, to be part of my local gun range.
	I subscribed to Rocket FFL because I wanted to find out what I'd have to do to actually turn this into a real profession, what paperwork I'd have to file, so on and so forth.
	And again, I was hooked.
	We're fantasizing about buying land in southern New Hampshire and setting up a gun lab in the woods somewhere and doing all this stuff and meeting all these cool people from the two-way world like Bill Geisley and Kevin, I want to say Brittingham, Brittingham from Q Firearms, so on and so forth.
	Anyway, all that came to an end when I got raided in April of 2022 by a joint NYPD ATF task force.
	Basically, a SWAT team broke my door down, arrested me, took me off to Rikers where I spent a week.
	My bail was almost a quarter of.
	I'm facing now multiple counts of what they call felony weapons possession.
	In total, I'm looking at 18 years of prison time if I lose my case.
	And that's it.
	So obviously we're fighting it.
	You know, I found, or I should say my ex-wife found me an amazing lawyer, Vinou Varghese, and he's been on side and fighting this case ever since April of 2022.
	And I won't harp too long on this, but you're born and raised in New York State, New York City?
	New York City, New York City, yes, sir.
	So you've been there your entire life.
	I know that you're conservative, but...
	I'm not sure what that means anymore other than not being a radical leftist, but have you, I mean, politically, have you been conservative your whole life?
	Well, that's funny you should ask.
	I mean, right now I would call myself a Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington conservative, right?
	Because I really, I mean, I have to say I really have no use for the GOP.
	I have no use for the Republican Party.
	You know, no more than I have for the Democratic Party.
	Now, you asked a very interesting question.
	Have I been conservative my whole life?
	Well, in retrospect, I have been.
	And I'm unique in that most guys like me, most black guys like me, have been conservative their whole lives because we all grew up with parents who were fanatical about education.
	We all grew up in families that were deeply religious, right?
	We all grew up going to Sunday school and so on and so forth.
	We all grew up with elders around us who told us we had to walk right and talk right because we were representing the race when we went out there.
	And plus, God is watching.
	We all grew up around people who just had these values and held them closely.
	And when we were kids, certainly when I was a kid, and I imagine it's the same for all of my peers, we didn't know it was called conservatism.
	To us, it was just life.
	Now, this many years later...
	And I know this is a tangent because we're talking about my case, but just a word on my politics.
	People who know me know that I'm always...
	I rain on Republicans about as often as I rain on Democrats.
	Maybe even a little bit more.
	I'm like the weather.
	If you're standing in the wrong place, when I show up, you're going to get wet.
	So be it.
	Because I think it's a shame, it's a travesty that we've allowed progressives...
	To take over our cities and to visit so much, as Sonny Johnson calls it, death, poverty, and destruction on our cities.
	And then we have conservatives who want to turn around and act like the answer to that is to kind of lecture us on conservatism.
	To your point, people like me grew up conservative.
	It's the brand that hasn't aligned with the things we already know.
	This is going to be a tangent of a question, but I'm going to ask it anyhow.
	It's the same phenomenon in the Jewish community, where you typically think it's conservative values, and yet, for whatever the reason, I think Jews vote 80-plus percent for Democrats.
	The black population, despite, you know, I understand that rationale, but I think the black population is like 85-plus that vote Democrat.
	I beg your pardon.
	That's an error.
	I can't speak to the Jewish population, but it's not true that the black population votes 80%.
	That's not true.
	It's mathematically false, is what I'm trying to say.
	Okay, so what is it more like?
	80 or 90% of the black voters who actually show up to vote vote for Democrats.
	Fine, semantics.
	No, no, no, wait, wait.
	But understood and duly corrected.
	Well, no, it's not just...
	Well, first of all, you say semantics, but remember what I do for a living.
	Semantics is my life.
	I'm a software developer.
	That's one.
	But two, the distinction is important, right?
	Because if 80% of the eligible black voting population of New York, or let's say Boston, because I ran around a lot of numbers on Boston, trying to examine whether this thing was true or a lie.
	If 80% of all eligible black voters in Boston were voting for Democrats, that would mean that the Democrats really had a strangle.
	They had a real serious majority in the city.
	But that's not true.
	In the last national election, fewer than half the eligible black voters in Boston actually voted, which means that...
	The Democrats have 80% of maybe 40%.
	That's not a stranglehold.
	And if you look at other major American cities, you see exactly the same pattern, right?
	So why is this important?
	Because right now, so-called conservatives are having this big argument about whether or not the black vote is worth courting, which I find astounding.
	And I'm looking at the math, I'm looking at the turnout graphs, and I'm like, what's wrong with you?
	It's like so many black voters in American cities, they're just disgusted, like you're disgusted, like everyone's disgusted.
	And they're sitting out these elections, and no one's talking to them.
	And the reason, believe it or not, I think that's relevant to this case, yeah, and to what's happening to me right now.
	It's because we would have a much easier time dislodging these progressives that have brought these insane ideas into our cities and are running our cities into the ground.
	We'd have a much easier time if conservatives, or people who call themselves conservatives, were serious about building political coalitions with their natural allies.
	You see what I'm saying?
	So you have a population that's naturally very religious, that's naturally socially conservative, that is naturally skeptical about government, right?
	Because at one time, many of our troubles as black folks in America came from the government, yeah?
	And you say you're a conservative, but you can't reach them.
	Well, that's your fault.
	There's not some magical brainwashing machine owned by the Democratic Party Well, Now you get the idea of how much of a pain in the ass I am and why I'm a politically homeless conservative.
	and Dexter, we have an amazing community, so I have been told, and you have been criticized on some message boards as being anti-Trump and yada yada, as if...
	Anybody should tolerate what's going on just because the person might criticize who your political leader is.
	I should jump in there and say that I'm not so much anti-Trump as I don't like Trump, but I also think, for example, I'm able to put that aside and look at the matter more or less dispassionately.
	For example, I really do think the 2020 election was stolen.
	That's obvious.
	It was stolen from him.
	I think he was the, if they had counted the vote straight up, he would have been the rightful winner.
	Now again, I don't like him.
	But don't steal elections.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So yeah, I'm all over the place, man.
	You can't really pin me down because I'm not, because again, I'm a conservative.
	I lead with the principle.
	The party, the candidate, these things are instruments.
	What I want from my country, from my home, from my republic, is for conservative values to win.
	And that's beyond any single election cycle.
	It's that episode of The Simpsons when Homer's ordering the yogurt and the guy in the shop is like, that's good.
	That's bad.
	And I can say, I don't like Trump.
	That's bad.
	I think the election...
	Well, I think we all agreed the election was heavily fortified.
	And you just gained back the admiration there.
	No, and I say the political leaning is important here because, you know, in one of your interviews, I forget who's it.
	You talk about, you know, like, illegal immigrants beat up a cop.
	They're let out the same day with no bail.
	You are arrested.
	You're sent to Rikers.
	And I got to ask you about that experience.
	Quarter of a million dollar bond.
	And people are going to say, well, you know, there's racial privilege that, you know, people often use these examples of young black criminals getting out, you know, no bail, no nothing.
	They recommit.
	And then everyone's like, oh, look how bad the system is.
	And then you get a man like yourself where I've always been saying it's not racial privilege.
	It's political privilege or political prejudice.
	And we're living in a world now where.
	The politics is taking over where I think had you been on the other end of the political spectrum with the same frame, you would have gotten a much different treatment than you got as a conservative black man in New York.
	And I think it's more the conservative...
	I actually don't think so.
	I mean, because I don't have any evidence that they knew about my online...
	You know...
	No, you just froze.
	Hold on one second.
	Let's wait for this.
	Is that my...
	Sorry, sorry, hold on.
	You froze for a second.
	Start again, if you don't mind.
	Sure, sure.
	I don't agree with your analysis, and here's why.
	Before I got rated, I kept a pretty strict cordon sanitaire between my real life, you know, as Dexter Taylor, Binary Machines, you know, my software guy, what have you, and Carbon Mike, you know, precisely because I work in the software industry in New York City, and...
	I knew that it would be difficult for me to find work if people knew I held such conservative views.
	So I kept the two very separate.
	I don't see any evidence that the state of New York knew I was Carbon Mike before they raided me.
	I don't see any evidence that they knew that I was a conservative commentator.
	Okay, interesting.
	So I think, but to your point about, I mean, here's the thing.
	We've known, by the way, right?
	Because again, people complain, conservatives often complain about how people of a certain color, whatever they do, they offend and re-offend and re-offend.
	Well, in black neighborhoods, we've known about that problem for a long time.
	And we've been complaining about it for a long time.
	Nobody wanted to listen.
	And now that some of those same black knuckleheads have decided to go downtown and cause trouble, now it's a problem.
	Now it's like, oh my god, what's happening?
	Now it's a big deal.
	But we've been complaining.
	You can go back and listen to Malcolm X's speeches.
	And he was complaining about it.
	Nobody wanted to listen.
	In the same way that, you know, many of my conservative brethren have, you know, I'm delighted by the way that they finally discovered the FBI is corrupt and has been weaponized against American citizens.
	We've known about that for a while now.
	We've been talking about it for years now.
	Nobody wanted to listen.
	Now that they're using these quote-unquote tools to go after...
	Ordinary law-abiding citizens who are merely upset about, say, pornography in their kid's school library.
	Now it's a problem.
	We told you it was a problem.
	You didn't want to listen.
	In the same sense that a lot of black guys like me, a lot of race men like me, were complaining about Black Lives Matter when they first came out.
	We were like, you know something?
	These people are the enemy of black progress.
	Because black folks need strong families and need our traditions and need the faith of our fathers to thrive in this country.
	These people are full of it.
	You only want to listen.
	So, you know, this is, like I said, I'm a huge pain in the ass.
	And that's why.
	Because I'm just, you know, I'm not, like I said, I'm conservative.
	But, you know, that doesn't mean, a lot of people may think that that means I should talk like Candace Owens.
	I don't talk like Candace Owens, because I don't think like Candace Owens.
	Larry Elder neither.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I like it.
	First of all, do you speak French?
	You've used two expressions now.
	Pardon sanitaire is like an emergency, is a barrier, and non-de-guerre is your battle name.
	You're an engineer.
	Sorry, no, you're a software engineer.
	So you like to work with moving parts.
	You like things that would drive other people crazy.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I think maybe I could get into it, but I'm not going to.
	So you get into building your own guns.
	Now, when does this start?
	I presume they got wind of you pretty quickly when you developed this passion?
	I wouldn't venture a guess as to when exactly they got wind of it, but I'd certainly been building weapons for at least a year, maybe a year and a half.
	It doesn't feel like two years.
	So maybe a year to a year and a half before I got raided, I was building weapons for that long.
	I was once corrected and said, someone up in Canada said, Viva, as a Canadian, don't call them weapons, call them firearms.
	And I have never said it since.
	I don't, I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that.
	I really don't care.
	I mean, in other words, it's like we have to, in other words, we have to renormalize society around the idea that, like, dangerous things are okay.
	Just like dangerous, we actually want, we need dangerous things around because we need, we're the tool, we're the tool using creatures.
	All tools can be weapons.
	So, so are we gonna try to, like, semantically or verbally, or rhetorically, I should say, polish The sharp edges off the world?
	To try to present a nicer face?
	Or are we going to give it to people straight?
	They're like, yes, I was building weapons.
	They're weapons.
	Yes.
	I mean, they are also firearms because they use fire.
	They use fire to drive a projectile, but they're weapons.
	Sure.
	No problem.
	Now, they're colloquially called ghost guns, but bottom line, I mean, tell us how it works, because I know 3D printing.
	I don't know the ghost guns where you talk about getting 80% completed and it's not a...
	Yeah, so first of all, you pronounce traditional guns wrong.
	They're traditional guns.
	Because they're made in a tradition.
	There's nothing ghostly about them, first of all.
	They're very corporeal.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And contrary to what the anti-gun people would like you to believe, it's perfectly possible to link a privately manufactured firearm to a crime that that firearm was used in.
	Just think about how That's how people tie...
	You do a ballistics match.
	You pick up the brass shell casings, if there are any around, and you match those up with the barrel, because each firearm makes distinctive sets of markings on the brass, and voila, you have a firearms match.
	The serial number is simply an administrative nicety.
	That's all that is.
	And actually, according to federal law, you don't have to serialize a weapon unless you produced it for the purposes of selling it or otherwise transferring it.
	I didn't make any guns in order to transfer them.
	I didn't talk about guns online.
	I didn't photograph guns online.
	I didn't hint about guns online.
	I didn't brandish guns in front of video cameras for my Instagram or whatever.
	I didn't do any of that stuff.
	Um, so, uh, So, yeah, ghost guns, no.
	Traditional firearms, yes.
	They're not ghostly.
	They're real and they're traditional.
	They were made in the traditional way, in an American home.
	That's the first thing, right?
	So now, yeah, I was, I don't know when they got wind of it, but I know pretty much how they got wind of it, which was that the ATF has been going around, getting, Customer lists from parts manufacturers.
	And then liaising with local police departments.
	And kind of driving these warrants.
	Like, hey, well, this guy's doing something.
	And then the local PD will take over.
	And the local AG, whoever, will take over.
	And then the local DA will take over.
	And issue whatever subpoenas and get that whole thing in motion.
	And eventually what that resulted is a search warrant like the one that was executed against me, right, or against my house.
	And, you know, SWAT team will show up, break down your door, and take you off to jail.
	Now, I don't want to ask too many details because it'll be not necessarily useful for this, but I hear my dog barking.
	What is the process of building one of these guns at home?
	Like, where do you get what components from?
	How much do you need from...
	Like, where does the skeleton come from?
	Because you have to work with something, or do you get every individual component?
	Oh, I see what you mean.
	Yeah.
	So, my weapons were not 3D printers.
	I never...
	I had a 3D printer, which they took, but the irony is I never used it to build firearms, right?
	In fact, I hardly ever used it at all.
	I remember building the...
	Like the demo print that comes in the firmware, and then I didn't use it.
	I actually bought that, believe it or not, to build things like replacement knobs and buttons and what have you for the gear in my recording studio.
	You can't really see it here, but you get some idea.
	Hold on, I can zoom out a little bit.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, right, you get the idea.
	Okay.
	So, what's involved?
	Well, you take, again, you take, let's say, a lower receiver.
	Now, a lower receiver...
	Every lower receiver starts as really a blank, what they call a billet, you know, a featureless piece of metal, usually aluminum.
	And then it's machined and milled away until it looks like, for example, the lower receiver for an AR-15.
	By contrast, if you're making pistols, then the material of the receiver is not aluminum.
	It's usually glass-infused.
	They call it polymer, but it's basically glass and something like nylon.
	And having a particular shape, it is designed to incorporate various parts, such as the springs, the rails on which the slide of the pistol sits.
	And you can take this part and add parts, drill holes in it, and you'll end up with a finished firearm.
	Now, the trick is this.
	According to the federal government, it is only that receipt.
	the lower receiver that qualifies as a firearm when you buy a completed firearm online it is that is that lower receiver that is serialized that is the thing that is classified as a firearm according to the ATF okay So, when you're buying something that's not a lower receiver, because you can't simply add parts to it, you have to do additional work to it.
	To enable it to receive those additional parts that would make it operable.
	That is what's colloquially known as an 80% receiver.
	The 80 isn't a hard number.
	It's just meant to signify that most of the work has been done, but some has yet to be done, right?
	So you have to drill some holes.
	In the case of an AR-15 lower, an 80% lower, you have to machine out some material because it's solid in the center where the trigger group would go.
	So you've got to machine all that out, drill your holes, do whatever, and then you can start adding your parts.
	In the case of a Glock, typically it also looks like a finished lower receiver, and there's some pieces of plastic, pieces of polymer you need to cut away and polish away and grind away and then drill holes.
	So that's how that goes.
	Okay, so the ghost gun then is sort of like the assault rifle misnomer.
	This more like sounds like you're buying a kit and you're assembling it home and you can customize it to some extent.
	That is correct.
	That's exactly correct.
	Yes, exactly.
	Not ghostly at all, yeah.
	And then this is going to explain exactly how, despite the fact they call it a ghost gun, they were able to track you down quite easily because the people who sell you the kits take your information and then gave it over to the authorities.
	Not just kits, but even...
	For example, I bought a lot of my barrels from a company called Brownells.
	I bought a lot of my Glock-style slides and barrels from a company called MDX Arms, so on and so forth.
	You can get your lowers from anywhere.
	It is possible also to 3D print lower receivers, but that involves some engineering problems that...
	Some complex engineering problems.
	And your techniques and the materials you use and what have you will have a lot to do with how reliable a finished weapon is.
	But it's only really the lower receiver that can be machined.
	In the case of polymer lower receivers, plastic receivers, you can 3D print them.
	Remember that a 3D printer is essentially, well, a basic...
	Layered deposition printer is kind of like the love child of a hot glue gun in a robot.
	That's really what it is.
	And so what you can do is you can lay down layers of plastic one after the other until finally you've built up some structure and then you can polish that structure, what have you.
	But the fine structure of what you've built is still down to the process.
	In other words, it's still a layer cake of pieces of plastic, thousands and thousands of layers of plastic.
	And it turns out that when you get down to some of the more hardcore parts of a firearm, right, the fine structure of the part really matters.
	So, for example, the bolt and the bolt carrier group, we call it the bolt carrier group, of let's say an AR rifle, it's not possible to make that out of plastic.
	Well, you could make it out of plastic, but no sane person would actually put that together and fire it.
	Right?
	Because why?
	Because what's happening inside the chamber, when that bolt locks up on your chambered round, and then you pull the trigger, the firing pin snaps the primer, you've got this expansion of hot gas in there that's basically, that's spiking up the pressure inside that chamber to maybe 10, 15, 20,000 pounds per square inch.
	By contrast, air pressure at sea level is between 14 and 15 pounds per square inch.
	So you've got this miniature pressure cooker getting fired up six inches in front of your face.
	Do you want a piece of plastic in there or do you want a piece of highly engineered tool steel in there?
	Well, the answer is your bolt has to be made of steel and not just any steel either.
	Some of the things that when people talk about privately manufactured firearms, some of what is spoken about is highly overblown.
	I don't know of anyone who would 3D print an actual barrel.
	You want your barrel to be steel.
	I mean, you just do.
	You want your bolt carrier group to be steel.
	You can get it with plastic lowers and maybe even some plastic uppers.
	That's kind of what it is.
	And also, there's no such thing as a firearm, like a porcelain firearm or a ceramic firearm or an all-plastic firearm that can evade detection.
	That's a myth.
	It's like any firearm that's reliable in any way is going to be detectable by normal detection means known to us already.
	And from what you're saying, I just saw a video of an RPG misfiring.
	Apparently, a Ukrainian soldier was testing it.
	The man was...
	He was dead before he hit the ground, so I can imagine what a misfiring firearm would look like.
	Okay, so you're doing this, but you are a certified...
	Did I understand from one of the interviews that you're FFL certified?
	No, no, no.
	I had signed up, I had subscribed to a service called Rocket FFL.
	This is an educational service that tells you, that educates you about FFLs.
	So, for example, I learned, I didn't know before that...
	Like, there are, I think, four or five different kinds of FFLs, and then there's a separate thing called SOT, Specialized Occupational Taxpayer, something like that.
	That's if you want to deal with exotic weapons like grenade launchers and what have you.
	But I signed up for that service so that I could learn what I would have to do to actually apply for my FFL and be successful.
	And that was when I realized, yeah, you're going to have to get some land in New Hampshire somewhere.
	Because, you know, no one's...
	Like, the FFL is linked to a particular site.
	The government, ATF, will come and do a site survey.
	And the site has to be suitable for an FFL to operate there.
	So, obviously, I'm in a highly dense residential area.
	You're not going to apply for an FFL here.
	I thought, hey, New Hampshire, great place.
	You know, somewhere outside of Nashua or Manchester.
	Yeah.
	Okay, very cool.
	That clarifies my misunderstanding.
	And now, so you're into this for a bit.
	Do you have any idea, any inkling?
	I mean, it's a stupid question.
	Do you have any idea that what you're doing could be deemed to be illegal?
	Of course not.
	Why would it?
	In other words, I know I'm not a prohibited person.
	We're not talking about carrying weapons around.
	That's different.
	Right?
	In other words, I knew, and I didn't agree with it, but I knew it, and I wasn't going to get into a pissing contest with New York State.
	I knew that carrying weapons around was illegal unless you had a permit.
	Right?
	Again, I didn't agree with that either, but I wasn't going to test New York State.
	I'm not an activist.
	You see what I'm saying?
	So, I knew that, but I wasn't carrying weapons around.
	None of my weapons left my house.
	Right?
	Now, I also knew that buying So, no.
	Why would I think that a perfectly peaceable, law-abiding citizen with no criminal record, Is a felon because he manufactures an object that the law of this land says is legal, that he has a right to keep and bear.
	Why would I think that would be illegal?
	It's very interesting that you phrase it that way.
	You're buying parts.
	I presume that some of them are from out of state.
	I don't really think that would make a difference, but you're buying legal components that are being sold on the open market.
	Correct.
	And shipping them to my house, right.
	There's only one reason why people are selling these parts online, and it's not so you can use them as a fishing barrel or something like that.
	Yeah, they're firearms components.
	They're barrels and triggers and springs and so on, of course, yes.
	I'm trying to steelman the idea here.
	They're being sold and offered to individuals, so they're not even only for gun shops for repairs.
	No.
	The argument might be that it's only for repairing your own firearm if you're allowed to legally own one in the state.
	So you're doing this for a little while, and you've manufactured, from what the article said, Dexter, an arsenal.
	You had a flipping arsenal.
	An arsenal in your New York, I don't remember where it was, Bronx apartment.
	Not the Bronx, Brooklyn.
	I live in Brooklyn.
	Brooklyn, okay.
	What was, I mean, I presume you're allowed, I told you I'm going to ask you a lot of questions.
	If you can't answer them, please.
	Don't worry about it.
	Yeah, I made, I want to say five, six, seven pistols, and eight.
	AR-style rifles.
	7 AR-15 style, 1 AR-10.
	Once they're done and completed, you enjoy looking at them like that's the purpose?
	Yeah.
	Mission accomplished?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like, come on.
	That's the cool...
	Come on.
	Making firearms has got to be the coolest thing ever.
	I mean, you just made something.
	I'm looking around.
	I'm like, this is what I made.
	I designed a sticker.
	And when it came, I was like, I like playing with it.
	No, but the idea, like, I watch a lot of YouTube channels or channels of people making knives, and I was like, if I had that capability and that pay, I would love to make a blade.
	It would be amazing.
	It would be awesome, yeah.
	So you do this for a little while, and you gotta tell us.
	The day comes.
	Was this a pre-dawn raid?
	Of course it was a pre-dawn raid, yeah.
	So you live in an apartment building?
	It's a brownstone.
	It's a tenement house.
	Okay, fine.
	So they can come in.
	It's not like they have to go and...
	Get past the buzzer and then take an elevator off.
	Well, there is a buzzer, but no elevator.
	It's like three floors, you know, above...
	How do they get past the buzzer?
	Well, they just jack the door, that's all.
	I mean, they've got the tools to do that, so they just jack the door open, and then they jack the inner door open, and then, surprise!
	They bust your...
	Now, what time was it, 6 o 'clock?
	It's like 6, yeah, 6 a.m. or so, yeah.
	You have a wife and kids at home, or no?
	No, I'm single.
	And no dog?
	I have a kid, but she doesn't live with me.
	She lives with my ex-wife.
	Now tell me, you don't have cats?
	No.
	Okay, good.
	No, you don't have a dog either?
	No.
	So they bust down the door, scare the shit out of you?
	No, actually.
	I wasn't scared.
	I was...
	Well, here's a funny thing.
	When I heard that dynamic entry cadence, you know, police search warrant, da-da-da-da-da, like that whole violence of action thing.
	I wasn't scared, really.
	The first thing I said was, hello, hello, hello.
	My name is Dexter Taylor.
	I live here.
	Who are you looking for?
	Because I thought they had the wrong house.
	It never would have occurred to me that the state of New York would be like, we have to get this guy.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	It's like, what?
	Really?
	So yeah, I was genuinely surprised.
	And then they said, yeah, we're looking for you.
	Okay, whatever.
	Pardon me?
	Do you pull the whole thing like "I'm not saying a word until I get a lawyer"?
	Well, of course.
	Well, that's not pulling anything.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't mean it in that accusatory manner.
	I mean, like, or I meant the other way.
	Like, are you talkative and not taking it seriously?
	No, no.
	Well, first of all, no.
	I'm not an idiot.
	It's like, of course.
	It's like, it's, you know, there's, like, literally these guys got automatic weapons.
	They're ready to light me up if I move wrong.
	It's like, yeah, it's a serious thing.
	So the guy asked me, I mean, look, it was very, it was all very professional.
	I was very courteous and collegial.
	There were no harsh words exchanged.
	I was very courteous to the police.
	And, you know, the guy asked me if I wanted, he remirandized me as he was supposed to, and he said, do you want to talk to us?
	And I said, no, thank you, sir.
	You know, like a lawyer.
	And I also said, yeah, but I said, look, you know, if you want to go upstairs to my recording studio, I'll tell you where the keys are on my keychain.
	Go upstairs and open.
	Don't, you know, please don't, you know, you don't have to bust the door open upstairs if you don't, you know, just take my key and go up and it's just, you know.
	Because I don't care.
	It's like they look around and see my mic collection and my recording, my mixing content.
	I mean, all the same stuff.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So, I don't care.
	But, yeah.
	No, I wasn't going to talk to cops.
	Like, no.
	And do they go through your whole place, take all the guns?
	Of course.
	And pretty much all of my gunsmithing tools as well.
	Are you there while they're doing this?
	Like, are you sitting down just watching them ransack your house?
	No, I mean, at a certain point, they took me off to the holding facility, and I'm assuming they were there for another few hours.
	Wow.
	And you say you spend a week at Rikers, and as far as I understand, Rikers is among hellholes the helliest of the hellholes.
	I mean, as with many hellholes...
	I was lucky enough to jail with some good people.
	I was lucky enough to jail with some guys who were a little bit older.
	They were kind of like me.
	Unlike me, most of them had been in and out of the system for a long time, but that didn't matter to any of us.
	Certainly didn't matter to me.
	And so we just...
	You know, I didn't have to fight anybody, thank God.
	And so we just hung out there in the dorm and we kept our, you know, we just kept our section clean and hung out in the day room and watched television or hung out and talked to each other.
	And that was that.
	So, come on, I'm sorry.
	They bust your door down, let's say six in the morning.
	Yeah.
	You're in a holding cell by what time?
	When do you see your attorney?
	I don't know when, I don't know.
	Don't ask me.
	I didn't have a watch or a phone with me, obviously, so I don't know what time what happened.
	I know that by the time, the first time I saw an attorney was that night.
	So it was a nighttime arraignment, right?
	By that time, I had already called my ex-wife.
	She had found a lawyer for me, and he sent someone down to be with me at the arraignment.
	And that's it.
	And then I went off to Rikers.
	And then some days later, at Rikers, my attorney actually came to Rikers to visit me with another partner from his firm.
	And we sat and talked for a little bit.
	And I could see right away that he got it.
	He understood what was going on.
	Because he saw that I played it straight with him, that I really did have a clean criminal record.
	And he understood what I was saying about it being more than just a straight arrest.
	This was a civil rights matter.
	And he got it immediately.
	And he was like, yeah.
	And of course, he saw that I wasn't some troublemaker.
	He got that.
	And he was like, yeah, we won't say too much more.
	We're going to get out of here, and then you'll come to the office and we'll talk, and we'll figure out a game plan.
	So, yeah.
	What happens at the arraignment?
	They bring you in front of a judge, and then, like, what is said and done at that time?
	I mean, more or less, they just decide on bail.
	They say, well, this is what this person's accused of, and they set bail.
	That's more or less it.
	And they set bail at a quarter of a million dollars?
	Not quite a quarter.
	It was $200,000.
	Okay.
	So they say, all right, this is what you're charged with.
	Post bail of $200,000.
	And so you're sitting in jail until somebody or you puts up either $200,000.
	Well, my parents put their house up.
	That's how I got out.
	Wow.
	And that took time.
	And so until that time, you're sitting in Rikers just waiting to post bail.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Is the food as shitty as everybody says it is in prison?
	I mean, to be honest, it depends from day to day.
	A couple days, we had kind of food that was okay.
	A couple days, it wasn't that good.
	But, you know...
	I mean, like, I've got a fear of prison.
	To me, it's like, it seems like...
	Well, I mean, let's just say we're in prison.
	Between prison and jail, right?
	That was jail, right?
	Prison is different.
	So, yeah, again, like I said, the hell is unevenly distributed.
	But...
	Listen, I have to, you know, while we're here, I have to say I'm actually grateful to the neighbors I had while I was in Rikers.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	I'm grateful to those men.
	Because the fact is that, like, yeah, everyone had some kind of thing, some rap they were writing, you know, in terms of what got them into there.
	But the fact is, like, the people I was with there, for the most part, they conducted themselves righteously.
	And again, that was why there was no hassle.
	There was no real trouble.
	I didn't have to fight anybody.
	It was just everybody was cool.
	Everyone was calm.
	And I am grateful for those people.
	I don't know if you're a believer or not, but G.K. Chesterton said something about loving your neighbor, about why the scriptures make such a big deal about loving your neighbor.
	And he said that your neighbor...
	Your neighbor is the portion of humanity that is given to you.
	He said, you make your friends, you make your enemies, but you just have to love your neighbors because God makes your neighbor.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	It's like that.
	Harlem, Junebug, Piru, Brooksy, Mr. Creary, you know, it's like Big Maz, you know, these were like, these were good men, you know, and again, we just, most of what we did, we just sat around and shared our stories, you know, and also, there wasn't a lot of excuse making, there wasn't a lot of, well, I don't belong here because this, and it was like, yeah, I did so-and-so, and then this and that, and this and that, you know.
	Wild.
	And how do you find, like, just practically speaking, you're in jail, or you're in jail, you end up posting bond, you don't know, does someone come and, like, surprise you and unlock the door and say, that's it, you posted bond?
	Well, you know, I was on the phone with my parents, and they let me know that they were going to, you know, they'd found a bail bondsman, they were going to post bond, so I had some idea that the process was going on.
	And so it wasn't...
	It wasn't surprising.
	It was like at a certain point, I was like, okay, I'm probably going to get out in the next day or two.
	And then the day came and I was out.
	Maybe this is a stupid question.
	Do you keep in touch with the guys that you spent the week with?
	I kept in touch with a couple of them.
	But a lot of times, these guys, their phone numbers will change because they're using whatever phones and what have you, and they're having ups and downs of life outside, what have you.
	But I kept in touch.
	One guy in particular, he was married.
	He was actually married.
	And so I met his wife.
	I met his kid.
	So, you know, I'd reach out every now and then and just say, how's the family and what have you.
	Yeah.
	So you get out and that's, I guess, the beginning of the next part of this journey.
	Yes, sir.
	I don't know how this works.
	You get charged.
	Your attorney's got to work with the state, I guess, or the prosecutors to get information, yada, yada.
	What's the process like right up until the time where you start sitting down for jury selection?
	Good question.
	It was a lot of administrative nonsense, I have to say.
	Like, when I say nonsense, I mean...
	Early on, my lawyer knew that he would...
	My lawyer decided to file a brief...
	Excuse me, file a brief.
	File a motion to dismiss on Bruin grounds, on Second Amendment grounds.
	But that motion to dismiss was driven by a lot of data we didn't have.
	We had to go and get that data.
	So, for example...
	We filed a FOIA request, a Freedom of Information request, with the NYPD about their permitting section.
	Because the NYPD's permitting department is notoriously corrupt.
	And the NYPD slow-walked that data for months.
	And in the meantime...
	We have a judge who is just insisting that we show up, that we keep coming to court.
	She's like, okay, she'll set a date.
	And it's like, listen, Your Honor, we're waiting for this data.
	Well, I don't care because we can have a trial without the data.
	It's like, Your Honor, we have to file this motion for it.
	So it was just a lot of that petty administrative process is the punishment kind of thing.
	It was a lot of that.
	And then once we did get the data, I wrote a data management stack.
	To process that data into a form that would be useful to my legal team, basically to munge it into a database.
	That's open source code, by the way.
	You can go and download that.
	And then we did all that stuff.
	So it was just, again, this administrative crawl until we filed the motion and then we got a few steps.
	Further along, and it's like, okay, we're going to do this.
	Okay, finally, are we ready?
	Yes, we're ready.
	This and that.
	And eventually, we got to where we are now, which is, okay.
	You know, we're in trial.
	Again, we started out with one prosecutor.
	And the state changed the prosecutor on us.
	Probably, as my lawyer thinks, for optical reasons.
	We'll go on now.
	I need to know.
	What would have been the optics of the prosecutor?
	Well, I mean, my first ADA was a white gentleman.
	And at a certain point, I think the state understood.
	Once the state understood that I wasn't going to plead down, because remember, the state offered me a plea deal.
	They said, well, you know, eight years instead of 18, right?
	Because I'm looking at 18 years in prison, right?
	So the state says, Eight years.
	And I was like, no.
	Eight years.
	You're 53 now?
	52?
	Right now I'm 53. Can you imagine?
	Here's eight years.
	I don't know how much you have to serve before you can maybe get out before the aid.
	I don't know how that works.
	Eight years stolen.
	And it's not that you're an old man, period.
	You're not.
	But eight years when you're 50 represents a lot more of the rest of your life.
	That's right.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Then eight years when you're 20, but it's still theft.
	Here, let's just steal eight years.
	It's also theft from my fellow New Yorkers because now they have to pay for my upkeep.
	I'm an able-bodied man.
	I'm compost mentis, right?
	I can work.
	I can write software.
	I still do write.
	I write code every day.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's like, so I could go work for a startup.
	I could go do whatever, right?
	I'm able to work, provide for myself.
	Why are my fellow New Yorkers being required now to pay for my food and my lodging?
	Because I quietly, privately asserted my Second Amendment rights, harming nobody, threatening nobody?
	Really?
	So, yeah, it's weird.
	It's very weird.
	Now, I know this, and I know that you don't want to talk about anything that would relate to future strategy.
	The motion to dismiss based on constitutional...
	Yes.
	Challenge based on Bruin.
	Because Bruin had come up.
	We've talked about Bruin.
	Everybody knows what the Bruin Supreme Court decision was.
	We know what the state of New York said after that.
	We're going to circumvent Bruin and they've been trying it in every other state.
	Oh, yeah.
	What was the outcome of that motion to dismiss on Second Amendment?
	It was denied.
	That's all.
	They just denied it.
	How?
	Well, we knew they would.
	We knew they would deny it, right?
	Yeah, they just denied it.
	You're indicted.
	You have 37 charges, give or take a 30-something.
	What is the essence of the charges?
	You possessed weapons that you manufactured without asking the state of New York for permission.
	That's the essence.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Again, it's not you used a weapon.
	It's not you harmed someone.
	By the way, I have to emphasize, it's not you trafficked a weapon.
	Because again, the state of New York knows for a fact Whatever they're willing to admit, they know because they seized my phone when I got raided.
	They cloned my phone.
	I know they cloned my phone.
	They haven't returned it.
	They seized my computers when I got raided.
	They subpoenaed my email records after I got raided.
	They seized my physical credit cards.
	They subpoenaed my credit card records from Amex because I had an American Express card and I would put...
	Okay, so they know that I wasn't trafficking weapons or doing anything.
	that was a similar type of threat to civic order.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	They know that for a fact.
	They know I talked to the same five or six or seven people.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They know if they bobbed the disciplina, like the geolocation records from my phone, I don't even go that many places.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So they know all that.
	Again, this is about putting me in my place.
	That's what this is about.
	As you're talking, I'm trying to find something to explain it.
	Basically, I don't want to get accused of having picked the wrong statute.
	Bottom line, possessing a firearm, failing to register it.
	It's having built your own firearm and it's an unregistered firearm in the state of New York.
	That's a felony.
	Apparently.
	Again, I...
	The idea of having to register your firearms, again, I don't...
	They've got to know where to come, Dexter.
	It'll simplify the procedure, Dexter, if they know exactly where they are.
	It's the same thing up in Canada.
	You've got to register your firearms so the government knows exactly where you live.
	They know exactly who to go after if they want to go for social media posts.
	And if it ever leaks, criminals know exactly where to go to find them and steal them.
	Correct, yeah.
	I mean, this is the thing, right?
	It's like, as I try to explain it, because people will say, People will try to say, well, I believe in the Second Amendment, you know.
	I believe in the Second Amendment, but.
	And what I say is this, well, we have to decide what words mean.
	That's what we have to do first.
	Because are you talking about a right or a privilege?
	Because what the Second Amendment guarantees, and the Second Amendment doesn't bestow a right.
	The Second Amendment guarantees, the Second Amendment constrains the behavior of the government, of the state.
	It says, this right adheres to you because you are a human being, right?
	Because you're a creation.
	And therefore, the state cannot interfere with it.
	That's what the two-way says.
	Now, if people want to tell me, well, yeah, you can own weapons, but first you have to da-da-da-da-da with the government, then what I would say is this.
	Well, now you're talking about a privilege.
	Now, are you willing to be so loose concerning the barrier, the boundary between rights and privileges when it comes to other rights which are enshrined in the Constitution?
	For example, you have the right to freedom of conscience, right?
	You can declare for Christ if you want, or you can declare that Allah is the one God, whatever you want to do.
	Do you have to ask the state for permission in order to declare for Christ?
	No, because it's a right.
	You have a right to free speech.
	Do you have to ask the state of New York for permission before you, you know, state your opinion about some matter?
	They want you to.
	Well, yes, but the fact is that like, yeah, but no, the answer is no.
	Why?
	Because it's a right.
	Okay, now by contrast, they want to tell you, well, you have to check in with, okay, well then, listen, you want to take a right and turn it into a privilege.
	Now, we can have that argument, but we have to first concede that that is what you're doing.
	You want to take away a right and give me back a privilege in return.
	Now, listen, I personally refuse that bargain.
	I think that's a terrible bargain.
	I'm happy with my rights, thank you.
	And no, I'm not interested in giving them up so you can give me back privileges in return.
	No, the answer is no.
	So they slap on the indictments or the charges.
	They offer you eight years.
	At one point, from what I understand, they were so generous they offered you a five-year deal?
	Five-year one, yeah.
	That was an informal offer, yes.
	That was in the window.
	And I turned that one down flat too, yeah.
	And now you're going to trial now.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah.
	What was the jury impaneling like?
	Well...
	By the way, you're allowed talking about this, right?
	Pardon me?
	You're allowed...
	Yeah, don't worry about it.
	Well, I can tell you that the prosecution tried to shut me up.
	The prosecution tried to get the judge to admonish me not to go on social media and talk about this case.
	And to her credit, she refused.
	extraordinary if she had, you know, issued a gag order of some kind.
	They said it wasn't a gag order, but it was a distinction without a difference, of course.
	They said, well, we don't want to issue a gag order, but we want you to tell the defendant not to talk about the case.
	Well, that's a gag order.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	Anyway, Anyway, Yes, so you asked about the jury process.
	Well, here's a funny thing.
	I like the jury we have, believe it or not.
	But it's also true that you can't really say it's a jury of my peers.
	There's no black men on this jury.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, at least one or two would be nice.
	The prosecution went out of their way to keep certain kinds of people off this jury.
	So the jury we have is mostly women with like, I think it's like three guys.
	Three guys on it.
	Three men.
	It's a jury of ten, right?
	Twelve.
	Twelve.
	Okay, so nine women, three men.
	Correct.
	Racial breakdown?
	I don't like asking these questions, but I've got to.
	It's mostly, the women are...
	Mostly black, you know, some West Indian women and some black American women, and then one woman who is Hispanic.
	Okay.
	And then the three guys, one guy, I'm not sure he's Hispanic in some kind, and the other two guys are, looks like of European extraction, both Jewish.
	Okay.
	So, again...
	It was obvious to us that they were trying to get a certain outcome during the jury, during voir dire.
	But, like I said, I actually like this jury.
	I do.
	Because they seem to be all kind of working people.
	You know, like people who, in other words, people whose money doesn't work for them, they work for their money.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	People who might have to take the subway and see...
	One, that's exactly what I told my attorney.
	I said, you know something?
	These people, the people on this jury, take the subway every day.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, they know what the subway is like.
	They know what the streets of New York are like.
	They go home and they watch the news every night.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, they know what this city is like.
	And now the prosecution has to convince these 12 people, these 12 New Yorkers, that I am a threat to public safety.
	I am a threat to civic order.
	Such that I need to get put away for 18 years.
	But, let me back up a second, because the jury, the prosecution and the court do their best...
	To insulate the jury from knowledge of what the sentence would actually be.
	There's all these mandatory minimums and stuff like that.
	But they don't want the jury to know about what the sentence would be because people's conscience...
	Ironically, they don't want people to listen to their conscience.
	That's really it.
	That's it.
	The funny thing is, as you talk, I'm thinking, if you had gotten charged After Trump, I think you might have been gagged because I think that glass has been broken.
	That standard of the process has now been disregarded.
	Wait, if I had gotten charged after Trump?
	After the gag orders that New York issued against Trump in the context of his prosecution.
	Gag orders, I think, now have been normalized to the public where people are not even finding them as outrageous as they ought to.
	When Stone was gagged, I don't think people...
	Knew about it to be outraged.
	But I think now it's almost like been normalized to the point where I think the standard might have been different for any judge assessing that, where they might have thought, okay, well, hey, they did it to this guy, the most important guy in America.
	We can do it to the lowly hoi polloi.
	So they don't gag you.
	You have the jury selection.
	You're in trial now.
	How long is the trial scheduled to last?
	Might go another week and a half, maybe two weeks.
	Who knows?
	Now, you say, the concern that I have is, you say that the Crown, or I say the Crown, I'm Canadian.
	The prosecution.
	You redcoat.
	I'm getting some redcoat energy from you, which is a problem.
	I left.
	I left.
	But now, you say the prosecution is going to have to convince the jury that you're such a threat, yada, yada.
	Is there not a risk that they're just going to have to say, you broke the black and white letter of the law, and there's nothing to think about?
	Well, first of all, I mean, you say, isn't there a risk?
	Like, this is all risk.
	Isn't it the most obvious thing?
	It's turtles all the way down.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yes, it's all risk.
	That's life.
	Because they're going to come in and say the statute says X, Y, and Z. Yeah, I know.
	Listen, you don't have to tell me.
	That's what they already said.
	Right?
	Okay.
	And I don't want to ask.
	You can ask, but I'm not going to answer.
	In other words, I'm not going to put it this way.
	I'm not going to say anything about our strategy or what Venu plans to say or plans to do.
	None of that.
	Because you're not yet at the point where you're presenting a defense.
	Right now, it's still prosecution.
	Even when we're presenting a defense, I'm not going to telegraph.
	Here's what's funny.
	Here's a really funny thing.
	My lawyer is actually...
	He's an American of Indian extraction.
	He's a Catholic and he's a boxer.
	So I got a Catholic boxer in my corner.
	So I'm not going to telegraph his punches.
	You feel me?
	Not going to do it.
	I will say that he's first rate.
	He's an amazing...
	The first couple times I saw him work in open court, I was like, yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Now, I know I can ask you this because I think you talked about it with Alison Morrow.
	The constitutional challenge argument will come up, but from what I understand, can only come up on appeal and will not be able to come back up until that time?
	Well, put it this way.
	We've already made the constitutional challenge in our Bruin motion, right?
	So the judge has said that we may not talk about Well, she's admonished my lawyer.
	I'm not sure whether she was admonishing me directly because, I mean, it would be a little bit beyond the pale for her to tell me that I can't say the words Second Amendment when I testify.
	That would be odd.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Usually it's like you're telling the lawyer what questions he can and cannot ask.
	But again...
	The judge said the lawyer cannot mention the word Second Amendment?
	Yes.
	Sorry, that doesn't even to this red code Canadian.
	That makes no sense.
	Everybody knows it.
	It's like, it's not an elephant in the room, it's lexicon 101.
	Right, but remember, remember that this is, the whole structure is designed so that no one can challenge these laws.
	Listen, I just talked to my buddy Jeff Charles, who did an excellent write-up of my case on Red State, and who also, I also sat and talked with him on his Fresh Perspective podcast.
	Jeff Charles, amazing human being, and it's better to have Donny the Don.
	But no, I just talk with him about, and here's the analogy.
	Here's, I think, the right analogy.
	Let's say that New York State, because, you know, Governor Kathy Hochul is big on the black codes.
	She seems to have a thing.
	She's kind of got a thing for Jim Crow.
	I don't get it, but so be it.
	So let's say New York State signed something into law that said, or enacted a law that said all black people have to enter public buildings through the colored entrance.
	Let's say they just did that.
	Right?
	Okay.
	Now, first of all, you can't, as a conscientious citizen, you can't just challenge that law because you don't have standing.
	You have to now prove that you have been materially harmed by that unconstitutional law in order to challenge it in court.
	And unless you violated the law or done something, you don't have standing.
	Okay.
	So now, what you have to do, what they're telling you what you have to do is...
	You have to now go into a public building and refuse to use the colored entrance, at which point, presumably, you would get arrested for criminal trespass.
	Now, once you're arrested for criminal trespass and you're tried, right, in your trial, you can't mention the fact that segregation is against the Constitution, because that's not what this trial is about.
	This trial, sir, is to determine whether you engage in criminal trespass because you took your black ass in the building and the colored entrance is over here.
	You refuse to go in through the colored entrance.
	So that's what this trial is about.
	You can't talk about desegregation and the Constitution.
	Uh-uh-uh-uh.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Was this the colored entrance?
	Did you take your black ass in through the white entrance?
	Okay, then you're guilty.
	And then you have to go through that process and shut up about desegregation and about civil rights and then get convicted and imprisoned and then on appeal, that's when you're allowed to bring up the fact that we dispensed with this segregation business some time ago and the Constitution forbids it.
	Now, aside from the fact that we're talking about segregated entrances as opposed to the Second Amendment, that is exactly the situation we're in right now.
	That is the situation.
	It's wild.
	I mean, I think I can understand the legalese of why is that the unconstitutionality is a question of law for the judge or for the higher courts and not for a jury.
	I mean, if I try to steelman it that way.
	But bottom line, you can't raise that argument during the trial, so it's almost a fait accompli.
	Which is our third French term of the night.
	So you're going through the trial right now.
	And prosecution is presenting its evidence.
	And so they've got to validate their warrant.
	They've got to validate the search forms of the documents that they've obtained.
	Yeah, they're basically going through and saying, it's funny because a whole bunch of stuff we don't dispute.
	Like, were these his guns?
	Yes.
	Why?
	Because they were in their apartment.
	So it's just, yeah, they're just going through that whole litany.
	Okay.
	And then you're going to present a defense we can maybe catch up afterwards when that happens.
	But the bottom line...
	You're out until they render a verdict and a judge determines whether or not you're out pending appeal because I presume one way or the other, well, there might not be an appeal.
	I'm sure there's, well, no, if, put it this way, in the worst case scenario, there will be an appeal.
	But yeah, if the verdict is adverse, right, there is, I think there's close to zero chance I'll get bail on appeal.
	Because remember, the point here is...
	How can I put this?
	The point, according to the people in charge of New York State, how can I put this as delicately as possible?
	Bearing in mind, prosecution is probably...
	Hey, don't warn me about nothing.
	Don't worry about it.
	I know they're watching.
	That's their business.
	That's their problem.
	How can I put this joke when it's possible?
	Yes, New York State's point is that uppity Negroes must hang.
	That's what New York State's point is.
	Right?
	They want to make an example.
	Don't you black people ever defy us.
	We're here to protect you.
	We can't have you protecting yourself.
	We can't have you being independent.
	We can't have all this Constitution business.
	So just shut up, stay in your place, do as you're told.
	So if one of us decides to, I don't know, quietly and peaceably assert his Second Amendment rights in his house, being a law-abiding citizen with no criminal record, that's a problem.
	And that guy has to be made to pay.
	So, long story short, If the verdict does not go my way, I'll pretty much be taken off to Rikers.
	I predict I'll be taken off to Rikers immediately until sentencing, and then I'd be taken upstate.
	Now, don't ask me what chance I think we have.
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea, and I don't care.
	You understand what I'm saying?
	You already saw that I refused the plea deal, right?
	So I'm reconciled.
	I am here now because A, I'm reconciled, but B, this case is not just about me.
	Right?
	And the one thing, yeah, of course I don't want to go to prison.
	But beyond that, what I don't want is if I do go to prison for it not to mean anything.
	And so this is why it's really important to me.
	For conservatives to understand that we have to change our approach.
	There is no good reason why progressives should be running all our great American cities.
	And the reason they are running our great American cities into the ground is in large part because supposed conservatives Have refused to acknowledge that our great American cities are, in fact, American cities.
	You see, I believe we're in a war for our American civilization.
	That's what I think.
	You know?
	And so, if it's a war, if it's really about that, if you're really playing for all the marbles, then you need all your people.
	And we need to start getting good at building political coalitions.
	And listen, building political coalitions does not mean inviting a bunch of PayPal conservatives up on the stage to talk to me and to talk to my people about a noun, a verb, and plantation.
	That's bullshit.
	And that kind of bullshit is, in part, why we're in the state we're in now.
	We have conservatives, we have people who are actually, you know, part of news organizations and have staffs and have researchers and can't read a goddamn election turnout graph.
	Huh?
	We have people who work for conservative news organizations going to Philadelphia and not visiting Maj Touré, who don't know anything about the, or who choose not to know anything about the Solutionary Center.
	Huh?
	We have people like Sonny Johnson.
	Yeah?
	Who was only invited to CPAC once and then never again because they didn't like what she had to say.
	But she's one of the real ones.
	She's one of the real ones who gets it about our, about black folks' conservative heritage in this country.
	She gets it about Frederick Douglass.
	She gets it about Booker T. Washington.
	She gets it about the fact that...
	Our great civil rights leaders were all packing.
	She gets it about the fact that the Second Amendment especially means a lot to us as Americans.
	Yeah?
	And there is no reason, in my opinion, why we shouldn't be building coalitions that are strong enough to overwhelm all these progressives.
	Because these progressives, I mean, come on, you've seen them.
	They're not that bright.
	They're not that charismatic.
	They're not that good-looking.
	They don't have great ideas.
	They have a lot of money behind them.
	But that's more or less it.
	But, you know, working class people outnumber the elites everywhere, all the time.
	Working class people outnumber the elites.
	So what's the problem?
	The problem is you don't know who your allies are.
	So what I want more than anything else, I mean, of course I want to keep my freedom.
	And God willing, I will.
	But if it please God that I be imprisoned, then so be it.
	I'm ready.
	Yeah?
	But all I want is for my fellow conservatives to get a clue and to realize that this is a fight for our country, not for some corner of our country.
	The whole thing isn't supposed to be that you have some Ayn Rand, some Atlas Shrugged moment, and you retreat to your mountain stronghold and laugh while the whole thing burns.
	There is no mountain stronghold for you, bro.
	Like these people who are governing us right now in this country sent helicopter gunships to the Hindu Kush.
	They tried to conquer Afghanistan.
	You think they care that you moved to Arizona and they're going to leave you alone?
	No.
	We have to fight these people everywhere politically in order to be safe anywhere.
	And once we get that basic thing down, and once we...
	Get right with that challenge, you know?
	Then, like, things are going to change for us.
	But we're being tested, in my opinion.
	We're being tested.
	And the test, I didn't make the test up.
	It's not some recent thing.
	This test is 2,000 years old.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, the rabbi came 2,000 years ago and said, Hey, who's your neighbor?
	Hmm?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You can keep the law.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Who's your neighbor?
	Can you love each other?
	Yeah, I know you can keep the law, but yeah, okay, fine.
	Can you love each other?
	You're called to love your neighbor.
	Listen, the injunction doesn't say, it doesn't have a caveat, but if your neighbor is lovable.
	You're called to love your neighbor.
	So, I'll finish with this.
	You know, we're being besieged from all sides here in this country, in our civilization.
	We're being besieged from all sides because we have bad ideas and bad people and bad things rushing to fill a vacuum.
	And that's what it's like when something rushes to fill a vacuum.
	The question we have to ask ourselves is, what occupied the space where that vacuum is now?
	What used to occupy that space?
	And why was it done away with?
	Who allowed it to be done away with?
	And how can we get it back?
	I believe we can get it back.
	Upstream of all this stuff about politics and this and that and the precinct strategy and can we do this and elect this guy.
	Upstream of all of that is an act of theological imagination.
	Who is my neighbor?
	And that's it.
	We are going to love each other in this civilization or perish.
	That's the choice.
	There is no other option.
	God became man.
	God became flesh and lived among you, and he closed every other door.
	That's the option.
	Love each other or perish.
	And that's it.
	You're back in trial tomorrow morning.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay, well, I'm not going to keep you longer than this, and also...
	I'll be up till about midnight, don't worry.
	Well, also, I was going to say, I can't think of a better way to end this interview.
	Dexter, is there anything that I...
	I don't think I didn't ask you, but is there anything that you...
	That I should have asked you that you think we need to know that I didn't.
	I don't think so.
	You covered some serious ground.
	I should say, well, first of all, above all, I have to say thank you.
	I mean, the idea that I'm...
	Bro, I'm on a podcast with Viva Fry.
	That's awesome.
	Now that you mention it, I think I remember the name Carbon Mike from a while back.
	Probably.
	Piece things together.
	Well, probably because, you know, maybe you remember it because when the Canadian trucker protest kicked off, right, when they drove across the continent, I actually, the Foundation Society, which is my outfit, we actually spun up a 1-800 number so that guys, the truckers who were on the line in Ottawa could reach out to us.
	Even if they didn't have anything, they could just call a toll-free number.
	And I actually had a conversation.
	I recorded an interview with one of the young men, this trucker from Saskatchewan, who was on the line there in Ottawa in his truck.
	So you might have known me from that.
	I'm going to go back and refresh my memory.
	That might very well be it.
	That's amazing.
	It's a small world, especially when the internet connects everybody.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, so I can't think of anything else.
	I thank you so much.
	And again, we've tagged.
	We've tagged a lot of conservative pundits and podcasters and so on and so forth.
	Relatively few have reached back out, and you're one of those few.
	Well, I don't know that I'm conservative.
	I'm joking about that.
	More to your credit if you're not, right?
	No, but the bottom line is we get inundated.
	There's too many injustices to even address in a given day.
	You have to have an interest in them and you have to know that they exist.
	And those two things don't always collide.
	I did not know about the details of this story.
	Allison covered it.
	She's like, dude.
	And I was like, I didn't know about the details.
	And it's wild and it's offensive.
	And I hear you explain it.
	I appreciate the broader application than just an injustice against you.
	It's a fundamentally important issue, and it's part and parcel of the war on all of the rights, the God-given rights that they're trying to turn into privilege.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	100%.
	Like I said, I've had endless...
	Enjoyment watching you and Barnes just chop it up on all these issues and stuff like that.
	So I never imagined that I'd actually be on a podcast with Viva Frye.
	That's awesome.
	I don't know if I'm going to make it up to New York out of fear, but we will meet at some point in time.
	Dexter, I know that the give, send, go is one thing I'm going to blast around now.
	Where can people find you and what can they do to support you above and beyond the obvious of helping with your defense fund?
	Sure.
	I would say the number one thing they can do is spread the word, right?
	The optics of this case, right, when people dig into it.
	And by the way, I encourage everyone to, you know, to elevate their skepticism.
	If people look at this and they're like, well, that seems scandalous, but I don't know.
	Maybe he was trafficking weapons.
	Feel free to dig in and do your background research.
	Do your due diligence, right?
	But once you've satisfied yourself that this case really is what it seems to be, and that I really am what I seem to be, if and when you satisfy yourself that that is the case, the number one thing you can do is spread the word.
	Because New York State, and the people who run New York State, more importantly, are counting on no one paying attention.
	They're counting on like no one caring.
	They're counting on this being a cost-free excursion into totalitarianism.
	Do you know?
	Like, no, we're just going to defy the highest court in the land.
	We'll defy the Constitution.
	And I think Kathy Hochul said, you know, by the time someone challenges it, it'll be years before someone challenges it.
	Like, she was like, yeah.
	They say the quiet part out loud every now and again.
	Right.
	So the one thing, if they're saying the quiet part out loud, then we need to just stay loud.
	We need to just point this out and just pay attention.
	Attention is the thing.
	And so I would say spread the word.
	Spread the word.
	If you know podcasters, if you know people who are, if you have people in your circle who have bigger microphones and bigger cameras and what have you, just spread the word.
	I'm delighted to talk to people about this case.
	But I would say also...
	Do it with due haste, because keep in mind, this trial is only going to go on like another week, maybe two weeks max.
	And deliberation is hours or days at best.
	It's not like a judge writing it.
	Correct.
	I think some people think, well, next month I'll get on it.
	It's like, no, people have to actually spread the word right now.
	And the funny thing is, I was just listening to Martin Luther King's letter.
	I was listening to it because I don't read any more letters from Birmingham.
	And he talked about the...
	I think he was referencing, it was either Luther's going back, the moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
	And not to say that that's what you were doing.
	But it's to say that everybody says, well, that's the law of the land and just follow the laws of New York and things will be fine.
	As if it's not going to be one law after another law after another law.
	More laws, less justice is Marco Tillius, I think.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean...
	This is the thing.
	It's like, you know, to your point, there has to be, like, I personally believe in law as such, man's law as such.
	I believe in courts as such.
	You know, I'm not mad at the fact that we have this system.
	I think it's wonderful.
	But the problem is things have to be in their right place.
	You have to put first things first.
	There is a law that's higher than the law of men.
	There has to be.
	Otherwise, on what basis do you challenge an unjust law?
	Right?
	I mean, segregation was the law at some point.
	Slavery was the law at some point.
	Right?
	Okay, so on what basis do you challenge a law that is unjust?
	If not on the basis of a higher theological law from which man's law is downstream.
	At least in this context, it's an easier argument than a theological law because you have the Constitution of the United States of America and it either means something or it doesn't.
	And a lot of people are trying to just weather it down so that it's a tattered rag and not the law, the supreme law of the land.
	Yes, sir.
	And if we don't, and if we, and if human beings don't stand up and defend that, That document, as you said, the principles, then it becomes a dead letter.
	It becomes a dead formula.
	So that's the thing.
	I love the fact that we have that document, but it's important that people know that that document will not defend itself.
	That document is simply some principles crystallized.
	It's people standing up for those principles that make it into a living thing.
	And so that's what we've got to do.
	All right.
	That is perfect.
	Dexter, stick around.
	We'll say our proper goodbyes.
	Everyone out there, thank you all for being here.
	Snip, clip, share away.
	And we'll see who with the bigger bullhorn we can get to understand what's going on.
	And Dexter, and hopefully have you on.
	But we'll work on that.
	Thank you very much.
	Stick around.

▲