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Feb. 27, 2024 - Viva & Barnes
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Live with Luther Cyrus! From Covid to Psy-Ops - Viva Frei Live!
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I nearly stepped on it.
Right there.
Oh my god.
It's eating the- I brought a strawberry pen.
It's eating the strawberry.
It's huge, Steve!
Holy shit.
Oh my, it's dripping at the mouth.
You gotta go away.
Do you think it's gonna attack?
It's gonna burn in the house.
Looks like it's ready.
Oh, I think it's, maybe it's apparently frozen.
That's...
Oh my goodness.
Okay.
You're right.
I'm just going to go around the side of it.
I'm very proud of my girl's scream, by the way.
It's paralyzed, Rosa.
It's paralyzed.
*Gasps*
Oh!
My wife and I are still laughing about this.
You open up the front door.
I thought it was my kid's doll.
Is he limping?
Looks like a rodent of unusual size out of Princess Bride.
Oh my goodness.
I'm going to play the intro scream just one more time.
Okay, man.
Yeah, just get out of here.
People are saying it's limping.
I don't think it had rabies.
An ugly creature.
It's an ugly.
I mean, it was cute.
Okay.
Go, go.
Get out of here.
The ring camera just paid for itself, by the way.
Just got to watch the intro scream.
It's like, if I captured that on the ring camera...
The fuck is that?!
I think it's locked on the front door.
So my kid has a possum doll.
It looks just like that.
And I thought it was his possum doll.
I was like, oh, who put the possum doll outside?
It shouldn't be here.
Then the thing looked at me and was like, oh, and I, six inches away from stepping on it.
All right, people.
Good afternoon.
Let me make sure that we're good on Rumble.
No, that's not Rumble.
That's the link.
Yeah, I hear they carry diseases.
Not rabies, but the disease that causes leprosy.
And they eat ticks, yes.
They eat ticks and they eat snakes.
Alright, hold on.
Skip ad.
Okay, I'm going to skip this ad.
We're live on Rumble.
Am I in the good mic?
Let me make sure we're in the good mic.
Okay, I'm getting an...
Let me hear my voice here.
Yes, okay.
It's in the good mic.
And we're live.
That ring may be enough for people to find...
Oh, no.
That's in Cryptus.
No, not easily, but anyhow, there's easier ways to find out where people live these days.
Okay, now what I was going to say is this.
We've got a man who I only know from the interwebs in for an interview today.
And I'm going to find out what his real name is.
It's Luther Cyrus, although I think there's an extra name at the end of this.
We got to know each other through our mutual battle with the forces of evil.
I heard him on one of the...
Those frickin' doctors' spaces, the Twitter space, and I like him.
Seems like a very nice guy.
All right.
Gonna bring him in the house.
Humble does not get antagonized easily, but it doesn't matter.
I want to explore who this guy is and introduce him to the world, and we'll see.
We'll introduce him to my crowd, although I think we probably largely overlap.
Luther, you ready to come in?
Three, two, one.
Whether you are or not, we in.
All right.
Sir, how goes the battle?
It's going.
It's going, my brother.
It's going.
Okay, I got so many questions.
You haven't done a ton of podcast interviews from what I've seen because I was scouring.
I came across one or two, but I didn't get the details that I know I have to start with.
If I ask one too many questions, you'll tell me that you can't answer and we'll move on.
But for those who don't know who you are, the 30,000-foot overview, who are you?
It's the activist, man.
Regular guy like you and me just want answers.
That's it.
So you've lived on...
Well, first of all, okay, you're 31 years old.
Well, you were 31 at least six months ago.
32 years, so pretty much.
32. Where are you born and raised, if you don't mind answering?
Jersey.
Born and raised in New Jersey.
You're in New Jersey?
Man, I was way off.
I was going to go with...
I thought I detected a different accent than a Jersey accent.
Born and raised in New Jersey, and may I ask what you do for a living?
I'm a cannabis retailer.
Oh, marijuana?
Correct.
When you smoke weed, you don't go crazy?
Nope.
Okay, well, I did not know this.
Candidates retailer means what?
A drug dealer, in other words.
A legal drug dealer.
But is it medicinal or is it recreational in New York now?
Recreational in New York.
Okay, interesting.
Yeah, they legalized it up in Canada, I want to say like five years ago.
And I remember I did a video the day they legalized it.
It was already quasi-legal to begin with.
It wasn't quasi.
It was like everyone did it, but they opened up these shops.
The lineup was like around the block, and I was interviewing people.
They all wanted to get marijuana.
Is your real name Luther Cyrus, or did I see a base on that, or a bass?
Yes, that's my...
Cyrus is my middle name, so it's Luther Cyrus Bass.
Okay, and I'm going to ask you this, because we're going to get into it eventually.
Well, we may or may not.
Are you a religious man?
No, I don't go to church.
Not really.
Okay, because I was thinking the only way that I could have fathomed anyone dealing with Ian Copeland's verbal abuse the way you did it would have been through religion.
I just got angry.
So tell everybody, how long have you been on the internet for?
To be honest, I was really on Facebook and Instagram first.
I'm heavily shadow banned on there.
I think I have like 200 friends on Facebook and 1,000 friends on Instagram.
So I joined Twitter in 2022, I believe.
I wasn't really on it like that.
You know, I would post something here and there, never got really any engagement.
So I was like, whatever, I'll try again soon.
So I just kept trying, trying.
Like, the end of 2022 is when it took off.
I started researching, looking into things, just questioning a lot of things that I saw that were out of the ordinary for me.
And then, I guess, Damar Hamlin happened, and then Peter McCullough shared my stuff, and then my account took off after that.
But by then, I already had like 20,000 followers, so he gave me a little push.
But that's how I really got viral on the internet, to be honest, on Twitter.
And so, I mean, now the story checks out.
You joined in 2022 on Twitter.
You're born and raised in Jersey, so I do, I presume, you're from a relatively Democrat, if not...
Heavily Democrat household?
No, I don't vote.
I've never voted in my life, to be honest, if we'll be honest.
I'm not political in any way.
You've never voted?
I'm not laughing because, look, even Vivek Ramaswamy hadn't voted for a period of his life.
You've never voted in your entire life?
Never.
Well, at least you haven't contributed to the evil.
I mean, I guess I voted for Justin Trudeau back in 2015 when I was an idiot.
Thought, you know, you're liberal if you vote liberal.
So at least you could safely say you've never contributed to the evil.
And childhood, may I ask?
What was it like?
As far as...
Oh, like siblings, parents, general upbringing?
It was good.
You know, I'm a twin.
I have a twin brother.
Looks just like me.
Single mom.
Father was around while we were young, but after that was just my mom.
So I live with my grandma and my mother.
That's pretty much it.
I had a regular childhood.
I mean, some might say that that's already not a regular child, or not an irregular, but it's not the typical childhood.
Only a twin, so no other siblings?
No, I have a half-sister.
She lives in Florida.
Okay, and raised by a single mom, when did your dad leave the picture?
I would say we were like five.
And so what's that like?
What did your mom do?
Is she working long hours and trying to raise two kids at the same time?
Yeah, she worked for MSNBC a while ago.
And she does a lot of promoting.
She's a hustler.
She's a hustler.
I have a lot of respect for her.
What did she do for MSNBC?
Now someone's working for them.
They were not always the enemy, but I got to ask, what did she do for MSNBC?
This was a while ago.
I forget.
I was a child.
I just remember going in the green room, sitting in there, everybody coming in there saying hi to us and stuff like that.
I don't remember the exact job title, but I just remember MSNBC.
Very cool.
And now, look, the only reason I'm asking, it's for the credentials of when you get into the argument that you have no business asking the questions you're asking.
Did you go to university?
What'd you study?
And how did you get into marijuana dispensing?
No qualifications.
As far as medical, no.
Did you study poli-sci?
To be honest, yeah.
I didn't graduate high school, if we're being honest.
So I really have no qualifications.
My qualifications are my life experience with marijuana and cannabis.
Just pretty much common sense and logic.
This is what I was...
I was listening to you on, it was a Twitter space, and it was the Health Defense Fund.
Does that sound familiar?
Yeah.
And I'm realizing as I jog, there is a very big difference between intelligence and what they call education, which is pretty much not education at all, depending on where you go.
But when people go for credentials, there's a difference between seeing a brain that works properly that is not...
Perhaps not educated in the technical sense, but is intelligent in the obvious sense to ask the right questions.
It's an interesting thing.
People will want to discredit based on that.
Before you get into marijuana sales, legal sales, in New York, you need to have a permit?
You need to get certified by the state to do this?
Yes, you have to have a legal license.
To sell it, and so is it grown locally?
This might be a total tangent, but if you're allowed to answer.
Whatever.
So people get it confused.
They see, like, Cookies, the brand, is pretty much based in Los Angeles, right?
So they think because there's Cookies in New York, this is Los Angeles weed.
It's not.
It's illegal, right?
It's grown in New York City.
It's grown in New York City.
Correct.
And who has, there's a whole, what's the word I'm looking for, like, chain of this.
There's the growers, then there's the distributors, and then there's the retailers.
Right, right, right, right.
Who gets to grow it?
And where is it grown?
The cultivators.
It's right in New York.
I forget whereabouts, but I know it's Greenleaf is actually the cultivators.
Fascinating.
And it's wicked strong, right?
It's like much stronger.
You measure the THC levels in this?
It's all lab tested.
Right on the back when you purchase, you can see the ingredients, THC levels, terpenes, cannabinoids, whatever.
They have a whole bunch of different names, but it has it all listed in the back for you.
So it's just like, you know what you're smoking.
Like most people don't know what they're smoking.
They don't know if it's an indica or a sativa.
You know, but most marijuanas are hybrid nowadays.
They're leaning more towards sativa or indica.
You know what I mean?
Sativa.
What was that?
What was that?
There was a YouTube channel of a guy who used to smoke something and he became totally, totally incapacitated.
He was...
Oh, come on.
It rhymes with sativa.
It sounds like sativa.
Someone in the chat will get it.
It's not...
You take one puff, you hold your breath, and you become basically a gelatinous blob.
I've never heard of that.
I don't know what he's doing these days.
He had a channel.
One of the videos was making a peanut butter sandwich on...
Salvia.
It was Salvia.
Luther, you'll laugh your ass off if you go watch.
It's not good.
It's a bad influence and nobody should do it.
But the guy's like, I'm going to write a letter to Congress on Salvia.
So he takes one puff, starts writing it, and doesn't get a half sentence in.
Starts drooling in his mouth, literally.
He was making a peanut butter sandwich, gardening.
Okay, I'll end on this, because I just, for my own curiosity, Rogan often talks Um, I mean, stronger?
I would say maybe because there's more products being purchased out.
They're able to get access to more things because of the legalization.
But the black market, they're not licensed, right?
So at any moment, it's gone.
It has picked up a lot, though.
Very cool.
So do you have one store or several stores?
First, it's not my store.
I work there.
But in New York, we're the only cookies location in New York City.
Okay.
Still not doing it, by the way.
The idea of losing your mind uncontrollably for an extended period of time, or what feels like an even more extended period of time.
Okay, so set that aside.
So now, you're not politically involved.
You're not politically active.
So, I mean, how do you get into the sphere that you're in now on the Twitterverse?
And I gotta ask you, actually, before we even get there.
Activist.
It says it in your header.
What does that mean?
Just fighting for just a humanitarian.
Like, I just want...
Freedom of choice.
Like, I just thought everything was wrong with everything that went down with the pandemic.
I just didn't see it as being right.
Like, especially coming from my point of view as somebody who doesn't vaccinate.
Like, I didn't look forward to vaccination.
I didn't look at things like if I was sick.
I didn't look at it as if I had a virus or some shit.
You know what I mean?
Excuse my language.
Don't worry about it.
It was more of, like, it's not right.
Like, I'm not getting sick from anything like that.
You know, so I'm looking around.
I'm like, I see people start masking and I see all this shenanigans.
I'm like, something isn't right.
So I had to question everything.
And this is how I got here.
So you're in Jersey throughout the pandemic?
Correct.
And Jersey, I presume, was just as bad as New York?
Or was there any meaningful difference?
It was close.
It was close.
Were you working at the same marijuana dispensary at the time?
No, I was actually...
I think I was working at a Valvoline.
It's an oil change spot.
Okay.
In the middle of it.
But this was before the masking and everything started coming out.
And then the social distancing and all that stuff.
I was like, wow.
None of this makes sense.
Like, from my point of view.
Like, whatever.
Everybody has their own choice.
Like, me, like, when I got sick, I just got over it.
I rested.
I did the normal things.
You know what I mean?
I look for vaccinations.
So I'm not, I was never that kind of guy.
So then I hear these, all the pharmaceutical marketing coming out, and it was just like, wow.
So everyone, I suspect everyone has that one moment.
If they're red-pilled sufficiently, there was that one moment where they say, like, none of this makes any sense.
Do you remember having that any, like, a specific date, moment, period of time?
It was when the 100% safe and effective lie.
I was like, wow.
I was like, they're really lying to these people.
Like, directly to their face.
Nothing is ever 100% effective or safe.
And the fact that people just ran towards it instead of away from it was a problem for me.
Can you imagine that?
They said it.
Albert Brulis said it, and now it went from having said it to, no, he didn't really mean that when he made that tweet on April 1st, 2021.
I've got to say, when my eyes really got open was when they chained up the outdoor dog park, and they chained up the swings, and I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.
But then, when they found a way to authorize permit the BLM protests, because we had them in Canada, too.
I was like, oh, there was a New York Times article that said...
Protests are unsafe.
Well, that depends what you're protesting or who's protesting and what.
I was like, all right, this is all bullshit.
And then I send that to my friend who's defending this tooth and nail.
And so 2020, 2021, you're living through this crap like the rest of us.
You're using your Facebook to explore or who are you going to for information?
Well, it was just...
Back then, honestly, to be honest, I was really like...
I can't say I was scared, but all the hype almost got to me.
You understand what I'm saying?
So I can't say I was always this guy that always just had this gift of discernment.
I was that guy that was like, wow, I did get sick, but...
Not to the point where I was hospitalized or anything like that.
Nothing out of the ordinary.
No, but you're like everybody else out there.
You thought that for at least a while that if you get it, you will get sick, you will get hospitalized, and you will die.
I flipped out at a possum for 30 seconds until the panic subdued, and then you can think things through rationally.
We were all whipped up into an irrational panic frenzy.
Right.
So, you know, I can't say I was never always this guy.
I'd be lying if I said I was.
But then when I started noticing, you know, I would, you know, go around my grandmother, you know, she would use the PCR test.
You know, I would hug her, I would kiss her, just to see if I would get it.
I would do these, like, experiments just to see.
You know what I'm saying?
I would do it.
My mother, you know, anybody who said that they've tested positive for this thing, I would make sure I was in their vicinity, right?
And then I would never get sick.
You know what I'm saying?
So I was like, and that was like 2021, 2022.
So I was like, something's not right.
Like, they're saying this is daily.
They're saying the social distancing, the masking.
But I'm not getting sick.
So I did this myself.
You understand what I'm saying?
No doctors, no anything.
So I didn't really need to watch any YouTube videos.
I didn't have to watch any censored doctors.
I was out there doing experiments in the real world myself.
Well, whatever weight, you know, scientists would place in those, what do they call them?
Not empirical, but, you know, what's the word?
Well, it might be empirical.
Ah, when you do it...
I think that's the word.
But, I mean, so do you know, did you see anybody in your immediate milieu, get sick, hospitalized, pass from this as you're going through it with the rest of us?
Not one of them.
And now the question is this, because you're fighting, well, you say fighting the good fight on Twitter these days.
So, you know, you start having your questions.
When do you start taking it to social media?
It was...
Yeah, I would say around 2022.
It was around, yeah, 2022.
Like, a little bit after the rollout.
That's when I started seeing everything.
You know, I just started questioning everything.
Doctors.
PhDs, MDs, I would just start questioning them, asking them just basic questions, like, what's going on?
You know what I mean?
Just like similar questions.
And that's when I started to see, like, are they here to promote the product?
Or are they here to make sure no bad press gets put out about the product?
And it was option B. For those who don't know, it wasn't you who broke the Damar Hamlin, but you certainly put out a video that was one of the initial ones that went...
That caused a lot of people to ask a lot of questions about this.
Before then, you'd been active, but...
Yeah, I was still active.
I think I had maybe 15,000 followers, maybe 20. I was still questioning it, you know what I mean?
I wasn't questioning it before, but I wasn't as active.
Once it really took off, that's what gave me motivation to push harder.
And so you put out the DeMar Hamlin video, which at the time it was just, it was the video, right?
There wasn't any wild commentary on it.
The commentary was in my thread, but yeah.
So, this was like the first time.
It's an amazing thing.
Like, nobody had ever heard of myocarditis.
Nobody who's not a doctor had ever heard of myocarditis before 2021, 2022.
No one had ever heard of comodio carditis.
Was it comodio carditis or comodio cardis?
Comodio cordis.
Comodio cordis.
I don't think anybody, unless you're a baseball player athlete who's been the one in a billion that saw it, nobody heard about that.
And then when Damar Hamlin collapsed, and it was in a long line of collapsing heart attack, cardiac issues on the field in plain sight, immediately Commodio Cardis did, Did the post that you put up, did it get taken down?
Did it get, did you have issues?
But what happened was where the bots, you know how the bots, bots, it was like, immediately when I posted it, I had 100 likes, not 100, excuse me, 800 likes.
It just kept ringing off, ringing off, ringing off, but a lot of them were bots.
I guess because it like, as soon as I posted it, it must have went viral, like immediately.
So it started ringing up, and then...
And the bots that are coming in, this is going to segue into, like, where we're going with this.
The bots that are coming in are pro, let's say, pro measures or anti-measures?
Or is it a mix of both?
It's a mix of both, but check this.
They were, they sent, it was almost like they were sending, like, people that relate to me, per se.
People that are of my skin color.
They saw all n-word this or this that like trying to send people that look like me to talk down on me to make me I guess stop speaking.
Really?
Which only made me speak more.
But yeah if you look at the comments it's still up.
They send you can you can see it.
I'm gonna I'm gonna be I'll be blunt I'm not using any words but it would be it would be black avatar or black accounts.
Yeah.
Calling you the n-word to shut you up or to reaffirm.
Not necessarily calling me the N-word, but just like...
Employing a rhetoric that looks like, hey, kids, I'm one of...
That's weird.
It is weird.
I'm convinced, and it's the only thing that gets me to not get infuriated about what are clearly bot or trolls.
I mean, I have a feeling half of these accounts are not real, and they're there to deliberately stir discord, to get you to get irritated.
We've seen a bunch of them, actually, with my last post, which...
Apparently I'm calling for censorship by highlighting that promoting suicide is against the terms of service at Twitter.
And I've noticed it, but I've never had any...
I guess whenever the subject touches on anything remotely is real Palestine, then I start getting called a Zionist in a bunch of words.
So you noticed that with the Damar Hamlin post?
Absolutely.
Okay, that's very weird.
And so did you engage with them?
Some of them.
I normally engage just so my followers can see.
I usually pick or choose just so I can leave it there.
You know what I'm saying?
So just so I can see.
Just for the followers pretty much.
But normally I wouldn't because I know.
It's me.
It's tough.
If I fight with someone and I appreciate that I'm fighting with a robot, then I will feel very stupid.
And so the easy thing is just to avoid it and interact with people who you know are real.
So DeMar Hamlin collapses.
We immediately told us, Commodio Cardis and shut your mouth, you anti-vax conspiracy theorists.
Now, he gave that interview, which was very suspicious afterwards.
Do we know what the current status of DeMar Hamlin is?
Like, I don't follow sports.
At all, really.
I don't watch sports either, but I think he's played a couple games.
But I think he's...
I don't even know if...
They definitely went away with the Commodial Quarters.
I think it's still...
I don't know if...
They definitely are not myocarditis.
I don't think they've seen that yet.
But he still hasn't spoke about it, you know.
His unwillingness to answer the question that was a softball question in the first place from...
What's that guy's name in the morning show?
Michael Strayon.
Michael Strayon, yep.
So you start noticing the bots.
When do you start getting into the fights with the doctors?
Because it's a weird thing.
I'm convinced they're coming from the same bot farm that there might be one or two real individuals there, and the others, Lord has any idea how to verify who they are.
When did you start getting into the fight with what I'll call the Copeland...
What was it?
Someone had a...
No, what do they call them?
Someone had a funny one.
Ian Carditis.
Ian Carditis.
I mean, it's not funny, but it's tragic, and fate loves irony.
But when did you start getting into the fight with those guys, or even know that they exist?
When I started asking for proof of transmission of a pathogen.
Okay, proof of transmission of pathogen.
Just so you know, by the way, I don't think they were bots.
I got a couple of DMs, a couple of messages saying, be careful because...
Luther doesn't believe in the virus.
And I was listening to you with the defense, health defense, and I think I sort of understand it.
So you're asking proof of transmission.
Right.
What does that mean?
So proof that this so-called pathogen can make a healthy host sick with the fluids from a sick host by natural means.
That's it.
Now, the obvious answer to that is going to be...
The thing is, it's impossible to reconcile, and I know there are people out there who say it's never been isolated, and I'm not sure that they even understand what that means.
I've tried to understand it.
But then you go from that element, and I'll call it a theorizing, to the other element, which is it was man-made in a lab in Wuhan, China, and those seem to be mutually incompatible theories to espouse at the same time.
Right.
That's funny you said that, too, because I was like, I think it was...
Oh, when you commented on Ian Colbert's thing, you shared it.
The sense of the strain was like, he's a virus denier.
He doesn't believe in viruses.
I was like, wow, these guys are cornballs.
They don't even really want to have the conversation.
They're trying to get B, but not to talk to me, right?
And the first thing, with science, you don't believe.
Some people say, oh, Luther doesn't believe in viruses.
That's not correct.
I've been asking for proof of transmission, and they haven't been able to present this data.
That's what they mean to say.
Well, the other thing is, I listened, you know, the way people explain it, some people say, like, when they don't believe in viruses, what they believe is you don't get sick from a transmitted virus, but it's with you, and if your immune system gets weak, then it, you know, allows to take over.
And in which case, I think, you know, we're just talking semantics as to becoming susceptible to infection.
Like, nobody...
It denies that you get a flu or what you call the flu or you get a virus.
You get the sniffles, sneezing, coughing.
And so the only question is, is it on you and your immune system gets weak and it takes over or do you get it from somebody else?
I know that I will not poo-poo anybody who says otherwise, but anyone who's had kids knows they get sick, you're getting sick, no matter how strong your immune system is.
And so how do you discover the doctors?
When is it that you first engage with Ian Carditis?
Ian Copeland.
Honestly, he wasn't even the first one.
I started with, what's his name?
Dan Wilson, Debunk the Funk, Sensor Strand, Thomas Baldwin.
Then it went to Ian.
A whole bunch of them.
All of them.
Have you noticed that there's been sort of like, it's like a rotating shift of the doctors that will occupy this space for any given period of time?
Kind of.
I've noticed it.
But then again, I've been at it with these guys for over two years now.
So I know all their faces, the burning accounts they make.
It's just comical that they come back out and I see them talking to other people.
Meanwhile, they're ducking me.
Like, Drew, comments?
I think I put a tweet up about him like a week ago, two weeks ago.
He hasn't responded since.
He's ducking me.
And I commented on yesterday.
Who is Drew?
So people who don't know, you got the Scottish lady who I don't know that she's...
She changed her account alleging that she was being harassed on Twitter.
And I don't know where people draw the line between getting criticized on Twitter versus getting harassed.
The Scottish lady, I forget what it was.
I don't even care what her account was.
You got Ian Copeland, debunked the funk.
Jonathan the Lyrist.
Who's the Star Wars guy, the Star Wars doctor?
Oh, he called the Star Wars doctor.
Is he John the Lyrist or he's not John the Lyrist?
John the Lyrist is the one that actually admits that he has myocarditis from the jab.
John the Star Wars boy, guy, whatever you want to call him.
He's the little short guy, the white coat guy with the big head.
Yeah, I mean, he's the only one that I've been able to reasonably verify as a real human and an actual doctor.
I don't understand how anybody tolerates that type of behavior of a professional online afterwards, like trolling and mocking and whatever.
And Drew Comets, sorry, that's the one that I wanted to know about, because I didn't know that he was one of this gang.
I just thought he was, I don't know who he was.
I came across a tweet one day, and I was like, oh, somebody's paying this guy.
Who is Drew Comets?
Drew Comins is just not his real name.
I forgot what his real name was.
His name is Drew something.
But Comins is not his last name.
It's an alias.
He's a TikTok.
He got TikTok famous, whatever.
Then he came over to Twitter.
But they're all part of the same crew.
They were all in Clubhouse together.
So they're all in cahoots with each other.
And so you start fighting with them.
You've been doing it for two years now.
Yeah, it's been a while.
Have you been on various spaces with them?
Or was that...
Absolutely.
Well, actually, no.
I'm lying.
I've done a lot of spaces.
Since Strand has been in my space, Debunked and Funk has never been in my space in two years.
Ian Copeland has never been in my space in two years.
Drew Commons has never been in my space in three years.
None of these people you see that block me have ever came to my space.
Why?
It's because they feel comfortable in their own space, their own little bubble, where they have all their friends that agree with them.
As long as they have control of that microphone, you will not be able to get your point across.
The whole point of their spaces is to make you look stupid and not let you ask any questions.
You understand what I'm saying?
So you notice when you ask a question, they'll ask a question with a question and then mute you and say, oh, I asked you a question now.
So it's all a setup.
That's why they don't come to other people's spaces, right?
It's like a cult.
Every one of them, every one of them, you'll see joining each other's spaces.
Oh, the real truther.
Yeah.
He's another one.
I asked him to come to my space a while ago just to have a chat, you know, when I was doing my proof of transmission thing, just questioning.
You know what I mean?
Just having a casual, cordial dialogue, trying to have one at least.
He says, oh, I got to do something with my kids and my family.
Okay, cool.
So then like 20 minutes later, I see him in Ian's space or one of the little buddies.
I was like, what happened?
You just told me you're going to be with your family.
So that he won't address that now.
He was like, yeah, well, I'm busy.
You could always come to my space.
I was like, wow, you guys are all the same.
You just want to lure people into your spaces.
Same thing with Rohan.
That's why you always see Rohan.
Yeah, come to Ian's space.
Come to Ian's space.
All the bots start coming out of the space and start inviting you.
It's all a game.
They have it planned out.
It's a cult, bro.
Well, that was the...
I say it was the first and last time I'll ever do it, but the precondition under which I did it was that they would not mute me because I saw the way they do it.
I forget who Ian Copeland muted, berated and then cut from the stream and much like you.
Do you have you had never known of any of these people prior to the events of 2022, give or take?
None of them.
None of them.
You don't have any insider information or stuff that you've discovered through your own investigative research that shows that they are in fact...
Sharing accounts or at least conspiring together.
Ian Copeland, I believe, admitted that he gets paid.
He'll say he gets paid to do research.
Some people say he's like a CIA or some sort of intelligence operative using Twitter.
For what purpose, I don't know.
But do you know anything about Copeland?
I have no deep investigations.
I just do it myself.
I do have a lot of people in the medical community who actually speak to me through different aliases and burner accounts, but that's here nor there.
But not yet.
Nothing.
But they all block me now.
I guess that's why.
They don't want me to keep digging.
But it's just funny how they all block me.
And this goes to answer your question earlier.
Oh, actually now.
Is there anything really going on nefarious?
Look who's blocking me.
Everyone that you see in that space with them that's inviting you guys to spaces, I'm blocked by.
Well, it is wild because I've muted a bunch of them because they are toxic, and they want to talk about harassment.
You put a post out, and I'll get immediate replies from six of them, and it's pure harassment.
It's just annoying, distracting, and I don't think they're real people for the most part, but there's definitely something going on.
I've noticed these accounts.
They're, by and large, relatively new accounts.
Some of them are older, but too many of them are one, two, Maybe three years old, some of them even less.
And all push you the same crap.
And I don't even know how we know that these people are real doctors to begin with.
Well, Viva, also, you gotta know with Twitter, you can make on one account, you can have two alternate accounts on one account.
So you can make another one, you can add another two.
So say, for instance, SenseString, Thomas Baldwin, he has like five, six accounts, maybe seven accounts on Twitter.
I did not know that.
That should help you out a little bit there.
Yeah.
So this is what I've been dealing with.
See, I have trolls that troll the trolls.
Now some people, we're going to get into this next level inception of operatives.
You have a full-time job and this is what you do for fun off hours.
For fun.
I love how you said that.
Yep.
And has Ian Copeland blocked you yet?
Oh yeah, I'm blocked by all of them.
The real truther as well?
Not truther.
Truther, he doesn't engage with me.
He won't talk to me unless I call him out.
None of them.
And so who have you had on your spaces?
Pretty much whoever wants to come.
Nobody who I've been questioning or asked to come to my space has come to my space.
Besides SenseStrand.
That's the only one.
He just likes to come and just talk.
Talk about viruses and shit.
What's his name again?
Senstrand?
Senstrand.
So, Thomas Baldwin.
Thomas Baldwin.
I don't want to distract myself with this.
And so now, the proof of transmission.
It's an interesting idea.
The idea is that this is...
Well, people have various theories as to the level of the, what they'll call the scam or the hoax of the pandemic.
Some will say it was man-made out of Wuhan, China.
Others are going to say it was a rebranding of the flu so they could roll out, you know, mass vaccination, digital surveillance, etc.
And then there are, there's another, so what is the idea or the rationale behind questioning or asking for proof of transmission?
What evidence could there be for proof of transmission other than the fact that you got COVID?
For whatever you trust that PCR test, it might just be an ordinary seasonal flu.
You got it.
So there's no real question of transmission?
I mean, what is the underlying issue about questioning transmission?
So my thing is symptoms don't mean you have a virus, right?
You could have the sniffles.
You could even have the same symptoms.
That doesn't mean that person passed it to you.
Coincidence?
Maybe, but there's a lot of other factors.
Everything is not a one-size-fits-all kind of thing.
Like, right?
You know what I mean?
Well, yes.
I mean, you could say you can have the sniffles and it can be allergies and not a virus or not a cold.
You could have...
I could conceive of that.
Or you could say, fine, I got it, but there's no proof that you gave it to me.
The question is going to be this, and it's sort of the argument I had once upon a time with Mark Sargent, who's...
I'm not equating anybody to flat earthers.
Just the argumentation where I think you're asking a question that what evidence could possibly satisfy...
Your curiosity to know if it's transmission or if it's not.
And then what would be the alternative?
See, it's pretty simple.
I mean, as far as we just want to see proof of transmission, like as far as like in any study, we want to see a sick animal or sick person with whatever they claim to be the virus from their fluids exposed to healthy.
host or animal, showing that that healthy host or animal will get sick with those same fluids, virus that the claim that they took from the sick host.
All right, but now, to push back here, but then one can imagine that the backup argument would be, well, okay, look, dude, my kid got COVID, or at least was ever diagnosed as COVID from the PCR test, and I was eating food out of his mouth just so I could get it over with as well.
Sure enough, I got it, my wife got it, my mother-in-law got it, everyone got it.
So that would be at least empirical, observational proof of transmission.
But then the fallback argument could be for someone who doesn't want to accept that, well, there's no evidence that your symptoms are symptoms of a virus and not just the sniffles or a cough or whatever.
So you said again, you said, so everybody was eating and then everybody got sick?
Well, I mean, no, no, I was like, literally, I was pulling food out of my kid's mouth and like, give me your dirty saliva so I can get COVID as well, or whatever it was that he had.
And so like, I mean, I think...
Empirically, everyone's going to say, observationally, everybody knows one person in the house gets sick.
Eventually, everybody else does.
And so, wouldn't that, I mean, I don't know, barring a scientific, wouldn't that be good enough?
But then the flip side is you could then say, well, you're not actually, one could question whether or not the person with the symptoms is actually sick or just has unrelated symptoms if they don't want to accept that it's from the cold.
Yeah, I mean, that's a good question.
These are good questions.
But also, you have to remember how many times where if there's two people in the house and there's three of them, well, five people, two of them get sick, three don't.
I mean, I could say there, you know, someone might have gotten sick, but not shown or might have been healthier.
There's no question like having a better, stronger immune system or potentially more vitamin D. We can actually say that because we're only on rumble.
Okay, well, interesting.
And so nobody, I guess, nobody's come on to make the evidence of proof of transmission.
No, they've shown papers.
They've tried to show papers, but when I ask and I see it, show me the method section.
Show me how they isolated this virus.
Show me how they took this virus.
Show me how this healthy host got sick.
They can't do it.
They say, oh, it's unethical to do this, but it's not unethical to inject billions of people with a toxic experimental jab.
I don't think anybody...
At some point, there's going to be class action lawsuits in a decade.
Were you one of the ones who was exposed to the COVID jab in 2021?
Called whatever the law firm.
It's coming sure as sugar.
Now, but hold on.
So let me...
As a personal matter, which way are you leaning towards the pandemic?
Are you going with man-made virus in Wuhan, China?
Are you going with hyper-exaggerated rebranding of the flu?
Where do you stand on it?
I'm going with it was all a hoax.
I feel as though something can't be a bioweapon if we haven't isolated the thing first, right?
That's my thing.
So I just feel like it was pretty much the flu and they exaggerated the cases to make it look like there was something new.
Meanwhile, these were all elderly people dying.
They were healthy people dying.
These were elderly people with comorbidities and car traffic.
No, the average age of death was above the average lifespan in the earliest part of the pandemic, or at least in the first year of the pandemic.
The average death from COVID was, I think, 81 years old, and the average lifespan was 79. I have no problem accepting the rebranding of the flu because from what I've heard of those PCR tests and the cycle rate through which they were testing, they could have picked up a false positive from someone who was sick six months ago.
And so you get to jack up the case rate and jack up the death rate and everything that you need to whip up a society into a total frenzy.
I agree.
And now the question is this.
Have you had anybody on talking about the contents of the...
I know this from your previous interview.
As a kid, you got all the shots.
Mom's decision.
When did you...
What shots do they even offer to adults these days in terms of vaccines?
The flu?
I guess, yeah, the flu.
Shingle.
I know they offer shingles, and I'm...
I was never...
I'll tell you this, Luther, I was never anti-vax at all.
I got shingles once upon a time and they're like, well, you should probably get the vaccine.
They're like, well, geez Louise.
I'm now, I have skepticism where I never did because I realized how much they've lied about one thing, which leads me to believe they've lied about other things.
Correct.
Although I did get the tetanus shot when I cut my finger because I'm neurotic and I don't want to die.
And if I were to have gotten bitten by that opossum.
I get the rabies shot.
There's no question about that.
I'm not messing around with rabies.
So as an adult, you don't do it.
Have you had anybody on talking about the vaccine or the risks, adverse events?
People don't really come to my spaces, to be honest.
It's mostly people who are questioning it, not people who are actually trying to defend it.
Why, I don't know.
For me, it's been like 15 years.
Like, I never, that wasn't, it's not even an option for me to get vaccinated or anything like that.
I don't go to the doctors.
I haven't been hospitalized.
I don't get sick, really.
You know, it was never me.
I was never that guy.
So me, who I am today, is who I've always been.
I'm just being vocal about it.
Well, you do look mildly fit and in shape and healthy.
And so, like, what's the plan?
Are you going to, I mean, first of all, what do you do when this is all over?
Are you going to?
Keep sticking it to the system?
It's just getting started, man.
It's far from over.
They're still pushing these shots on people.
The propaganda is still going.
It died down a little bit, but it's still there.
I won't be stopping anytime soon, so get used to me.
I'll be here for a while.
In our chat, it says, hold China responsible, but hold on, there's a rumble rant.
Oh, are you following the...
Hold on, I'll read the Rumble Rant first because it's King of Biltong has found the most effective advertising ever.
It says, Good morning from Anton's in Roanoke, Texas.
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It's like wet beef jerky from what I understand.
And Anton, I'm going to give you an address to send it to.
We got...
Is there a pneumonia?
There's a pneumonia vaccine.
It says Storm and Norman.
And Honor says hold China responsible.
What's your...
Hold on, let me get this out of here.
Feelings on who's responsible for this at the bottom line?
For me, it's always Big Pharma and the government.
The lies they told, the fear they put into people.
That blame will always be on them.
It's just that the first for me is I want the people who...
Made it possible, meaning the people who complied, I want them to be honest with themselves, right?
So we can start to change, right?
Because we can't point the finger at the people who actually did it if we can't take accountability for our actions of playing a part in it, right?
It starts with us first.
So yes, it starts at the top.
You know, we can never forget that.
But us, in order for us to change as a society and for people, we need to take accountability first.
So you're on Twitter.
Are you on YouTube, Rumble?
I have a couple Rumble videos.
I'm not really on it too much.
I'm not really too tech-savvy like that.
You know, I do my videos here and there.
By the way, I like the little poster you did with my face on it.
That was pretty cool.
I like that.
Hold on.
Oh, that's the thumbnail.
Yes, that's my thumbnail.
DSLR Dave.
He's the best.
I like that, by the way.
But yeah, that's it.
Now, the other question is this.
Have you gotten politically vocal or politically active, like upcoming election?
Nah.
I stay away from politics.
I read some of it, but I never get into it, so I don't really touch on topics that I'm not really into or have researched myself.
Even in the comments, they're like, oh, your cult leader Trump got the vaccine or such and such.
I'm like, I've never voted in my life.
So to see comments, some people call me a white nationalist.
I was like, wow, a white nationalist?
That's crazy.
If they can call Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy, I get called a Nazi on YouTube.
I mean, it's on YouTube and Twitter.
It's a very, very ironic accusation for very obvious reasons.
And are you following, I mean, the Fannie Willis thing is coming back up this afternoon.
Have you been following the Fannie Willis scandal?
To be honest, Viva, I don't even know.
I don't even know who that is.
Dude, you are missing out.
I mean, you gotta, you say, leave the silo of the doctor, Twitter, you know, the doctor sphere.
Oh, you got the Fannie Willis, Nathan Wade motion to disqualify in the Trump, Georgia person.
I may be a little too.
The lady thing happened.
Roe versus Wade.
No, no, no, no, no.
This happened two weeks ago where the woman is having an affair with a prosecutor that...
Oh, I'll flip you a summary.
You're going to love it.
But they are going back live at 2 o 'clock today.
So I would say if you're not working this afternoon, you might want to watch that live.
It's going to be magnificent.
Oh, yeah, I'm off today.
What do you have?
Politics.
I'm thinking about Roe vs.
Wade.
No, forget.
No, no, not forget Roe vs.
Wade.
Now the big one is the Alabama...
I think it was the higher court, actually, out of Alabama that basically said a fertilized egg in vitro fertilization is a child under the law so that if you destroy that, you're basically tantamount to killing a human.
Oh, wow.
It's pretty interesting.
So they're going to have to change the law a little bit or refine it so that in vitro fertilization is not affected by this law.
Luther, and so what do you have next planned on the Twitterverse and who are you going after these days?
I really don't go after anybody.
They just come on my radar.
The reason why, what happened with Ian and whatever else, was because I seen him.
I think he was targeting you.
Was it five times August?
Five times August, yeah.
Five times August.
And it was somebody else.
Oh, Cartland.
Dave Cartland.
So I saw them just keep pushing, and then Trufer started pushing it.
So I was like, oh, they're trying to gang up on him.
So I was like, I'm used to this.
I already know the whole spiel.
I was like, okay, I'm gonna just throw some shit out there, get in the mix, and the rest is history.
And so you went on, for those who didn't see you, you went on that space.
Did you last 15 minutes before they cut you, or were you in and were you on for a longer time before?
No, I was in there maybe like eight minutes, seven minutes.
All I wanted to know was how many shots he had before his myocarditis diagnosis, but he wouldn't answer.
Well, how did you know that Ian Copeland was diagnosed with myocarditis?
If I had known that when I was in my Twitter space, well, I would have certainly asked him about that.
But how did you know that?
A little birdie.
It's so wild.
And then he says to you, well, my myocarditis was from a COVID infection, and after insulting you, you're not going to tell me what the F happened to me.
I mean, there's where I would say, all right, I've got questions, Mr. Science Guy, PhD.
How do you know what the cause was if both things happened to you?
Proximity, that might be one.
I don't believe there's a definitive way of diagnosing a cause of myocarditis, especially when you've had two things happen within close proximity.
So you knew that, and then he tries to say it was only from COVID and not from the shots that I've had previously.
Yeah, that's why he kicked me out.
Because he knows me.
I'm not going to stop.
It's just crazy.
But even the severity of myocarditis, you really can't tell until you're dead, right?
I've had enough discussions with enough, if they want to call them, you know, certified doctors, doctors who are practicing, Dr. Drew.
I've talked with people who study stats.
Yeah, there's no such thing as mild.
There might be more or less severe.
So if you want to use that semantics.
But, you know, as they have explained, the scarring of the heart tissue doesn't repair like other scarring on other tissue and other organs.
There's actually got to be a very good reason why the heart can't reproduce, renew its own scar tissue.
There's got to be some interesting physiological reason for that because it's a unique organ.
But yeah, it's...
Also, they try to trick you with the way they say, yeah, it goes away.
It goes away.
It doesn't go away.
Inflammation goes away.
Scarring doesn't.
Yeah.
The average person doesn't know that, so they're not going to expect you to know that.
But they'll tell you, it goes away, it's mild.
Yeah, the inflammation goes away, so now you're gaslighting you, right?
Because your heart will never be the same after that.
Well, it's almost like, it's not perfectly analogous, but it's like, yeah, the herpes, for those who get it, the sores go away, but you always have the virus in your body, and then it's just a question of when or if it comes back up.
This is a little bit different, even, because the acute inflammation...
Oh, and then he tries to get you.
When you answer what myocarditis is, then he goes, well, what's pericarditis?
I don't know if you've ever had experience dealing with, like, certifiable BPD or borderline personality disorder or, you know, narcissistic personality disorder.
He's a clinical example.
But, yeah, they say, though, the acute symptoms have subsided.
The scar tissue's there forever.
And then the only question is, how serious is the scar tissue, the scarring, and how much is it going to impact and impede the rest of your life?
Correct.
Or shorten it.
Correct.
Wild.
All right, amazing stuff.
Now, can I ask about the tattoos?
Because I noticed there's one there that's covered by the Cyrus.
Yeah, what does that say?
Which one?
Here?
Let's go with the, I want to say, Japanese characters.
Yes.
Are you into MMA?
Chinese.
Chinese.
Yeah, well, I was doing a little bit of Wing Chun back in the day, a little bit of boxing.
I did play sports football, basketball, played it all.
But it was not for long, though.
I'm not no black belt or anything like that.
I can defend myself if needed.
In today's day and age, and in New Jersey especially, and New York.
What's New Jersey like these days?
Is it getting bad?
Is it getting worse?
Is it getting better?
It's home.
It's dirty Jersey.
Toxic Jersey.
You ask people who are locals, and they have the tendency of downplaying the severity of certain problems, like crime.
Like, New York is like, yeah, it's New York.
And then you talk to, like, someone who's coming from Oklahoma going for a vacation to New York City.
I'm like, yeah, I'm never going back.
Like, I had my Homer Simpson moment.
Well, yeah, like, two weeks ago in New York City, somebody down the street from my job shot somebody because they took his strength.
Shot him with a gun?
Yeah.
And did he kill him?
Yeah.
And that's it.
That's going to be the rest of his life.
And they didn't find him.
Oh, I see.
So yeah, and I was literally down the block.
I was on West 35th.
It was on West 20th.
West 20th, which is not supposed to be a bad area if I'm...
It's bad areas anywhere you go.
Dude, I'm never going back to New York again.
Oh, no, hold on.
You were in Jersey or New York?
Oh, that was in New York City.
I was at work then.
So you work on the island?
I work in New York City, yeah.
Yeah, that's dumb.
I feel bad because I still think I used to love the urban jungle of New York, like it's beautiful buildings and all this stuff, and even the garbage was intriguing as a kid.
Then you grow up and the novelty wears off real quick.
Yep.
All right, man.
Luther, let me see what's going on here if I didn't miss anything in the chat.
Oh, there it is.
Okay, we can talk to Luther also if he has interest.
Hold on a second.
This is a potential sponsor, Luther.
It's a healthy beef jerky alternative, and apparently it's like wet-ish.
Like, not wet, but soft beef jerky, so you don't actually, like, hurt your jaw chewing on it.
Haven't gotten any yet, so when I do...
Hold on, it's right here.
It says, Luther, you're going to give me your email address.
We can talk to Luther also if he has interest.
Ask Luther to email us at eat at antonusa.com with his address, and we can send him some product as well.
I'm going to screen grab that, and I'll just give it to you after.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, dude, it's going to be amazing.
So, all the same, this has been fun.
I like meeting people.
Not because I agree with everything you say.
I like your character.
And for you not to...
I know my weaknesses and sometimes I get a little excited and a little aggressive because people are a bunch of sissies and they can't deal with honesty in a forthright manner.
But when freaking Ian was making fun of you and then tells you you're not special, then you say, I know.
It's not like most people would react and say, well, neither are you.
Defensively, yeah.
I said I had to chalk that up to some sort of religious conviction, religious strength, but...
Hey, good character is good character regardless of where it comes from.
Yes, sir.
I just love good dialogue.
That's all.
We don't have to agree on everything, but we're still humans at the end of the day.
And if you agree on everything, we're doing something wrong.
That's what I was going to say.
If you agree on everything, you might be in a cult and not in a discussion.
Correct.
Luther, it's been amazing.
So we're going to stay in touch now.
I'm going live shortly with the Fanny Willis.
Dude, you gotta catch up on it.
I'll send you the link if you have an afternoon that you want to waste looking at a lunatic scream to a camera.
You know what to do.
But, Luther, we are now forever in touch.
Well, stick around after we're done.
We'll say our proper goodbyes, but this has been phenomenal, and keep fighting the good fight.
Absolutely.
Thanks for having me.
Alright, my pleasure.
Everybody who's watching still, don't go anywhere, Luther.
Everyone, I think I'm live at, the next one is at 1.45.
It's the Fannie Willis live hearing.
Don't know how long it's gonna last, and I hope it doesn't get cancelled, but if it does, I've got enough news stuff on the side to talk about.
See you at 145, everybody.
Luther, we'll say our proper goodbyes.
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