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Feb. 11, 2024 - Viva & Barnes

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Critical Thinking Teacher: Warren Smith Special Guest! Viva Frei Live!

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	Enjoy.
	So these guys want to talk about J.K. Rowling?
	So what's going on with that?
	What do you want to know?
	She's had a pretty controversial past.
	I just want to know, what are your thoughts on it?
	Do you still like her work despite her bigoted opinions?
	So let's get specific, though.
	Let's define bigoted opinions.
	What opinions are bigoted?
	We're going to treat this as a thought experiment.
	I'm not going to say what's right or wrong or what way to think.
	The whole point is to learn how to think, not what to think.
	So when you say bigoted, you're starting with the conclusion that given her bigoted opinions, so first let's start with Does she have bigoted opinions?
	She has had a history of being extremely transphobic, I've heard.
	Can you give me an example?
	If you look at her Twitter, I think you can see a few things.
	If you want, I could try and find something.
	See if you can find one.
	So, one of these tweets that she came up with in 2019, she said, Dress however you please.
	Call yourself whatever you like.
	Sleep with any consenting adult who will have you live your best life in peace and security, but force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real.
	So you find that bigoted?
	What do you find about it?
	It was deemed transphobic.
	Like, I myself...
	Do you find that transphobic yourself?
	I don't really have an opinion on it, but I'm just going with what a lot of other people have said.
	So let's pause it.
	Let's not go with what other people are saying.
	Let's try and learn how to critically think.
	So let's analyze the tweet ourselves.
	So that statement, do you see anything problematic?
	Disregarding other people's opinions.
	She did try and...
	That's actually the hardest thing right there.
	Disregarding other people's opinions.
	Especially...
	For an impressionable, impressionable youth.
	Where does she do that?
	Can you read that?
	But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real.
	So when I hear that, I'm interpreting that as meaning if a woman says that, you know, saying that there's a difference between men and female.
	I'm going to let this play for those of you who haven't seen it.
	I think that's what she's saying.
	Attacking someone for stating that sex is real.
	Taylor Swift.
	That is exactly what she's saying.
	Is that transphobic to you?
	So, to me, no.
	Stating that sex is real is not transphobic.
	It's just a fact of life.
	It exists.
	One that has become controversial.
	In that tweet, I can't really see anything that I myself disagree with, but I can see why some people would think, oh, this is offensive.
	We can't have that here or something.
	Sure.
	There's an apology tweet.
	Let's read that.
	What did she say there?
	I haven't read that.
	I need to know if he actually hadn't read that.
	I think he did.
	Do you see anything problematic there?
	She's apologizing, so...
	Is she?
	No, not really.
	If I could read it again...
	It sounds like a very similar statement as what she was just saying.
	She's basically saying, like, I have nothing, to me, this is what I interpret it as, I have nothing against someone being trans in your life, but you just don't get to impose on my...
	You can live how you want, I can live how I want.
	Yeah.
	And let's all, you know...
	Exactly.
	So, I guess now that we're looking at it like, oh, there's not much difference between me or her, do you think it's fair that she's being attacked by a large group of people and people are calling her?
	Like you said, at the beginning of this conversation, you said, given the fact that J.K. Rowling is transphobic, how do you feel about Harry Potter?
	Now, retroactively looking at that statement, do you think that that was the best way to phrase it?
	No, I feel like an idiot now.
	That's okay, though.
	This is why we do this, to learn.
	That's the best punchline.
	Punchline in a good way ever.
	Now, I was talking with Warren Offset?
	Behind stage?
	Offline is the word.
	And I said, like, I'm going to say this, and I'll say it before you come on, because I don't, you know, we're still talking about a kid, and this teacher obviously has the utmost respect for the kid, and there's no but to that.
	I haven't noticed that many people online saying, what a woke kid.
	This is like what happens when your brain goes from woke to awaken.
	People have been very understanding of a kid who can actually admit that they were wrong and change their mind in real time.
	And it takes an amazing amount of maturity.
	And so anybody who's even inclined to judge the kid for having had these peer pressure, social pressure...
	Predispositions, I think you're off base and I think you have to look at this.
	He's a kid.
	He's 18 years old as someone with an open mind who could figure things out and in real time admit that they were wrong.
	It's an amazing thing to admit you made a mistake.
	It's very hard.
	It's especially hard for kids and it's especially hard for adults.
	And it also takes willingness.
	And now, I was joking around with Warren.
	He's going to come on in a few seconds.
	I'll just give a good intro and a long-winded one where I was saying like, He's a very, very patient man.
	And I look at him and I'm saying, I'm imputing my own irritability, my own, not short temper, but frustration.
	I'm not the most patient person in the world.
	And I'm looking at him and I'm saying, is he struggling to remain calm or is he genuinely a calm and understanding person?
	And as much as I've discussed with him, seems genuine.
	But I come to my own reflection and I say, I'm not that patient anymore.
	I say that though.
	Because I deal with adults, typically on a day in and day out basis, and adults don't get the same benefit of the doubt in terms of treatment, walking them through their stupidity, walking them through their ignorance, as a kid who is developing and is supposed to be guided as to how to think and learn on their own.
	And so when you get videos like this one...
	Where I am not going to be very patient with these fellas.
	Hi, everyone.
	Randy here with Marnie Pena.
	Randy Bissoneau.
	I said I was going to play this one because this is Canadian politics that has nothing to do with Warren Smith or the incident.
	But I'm just like, I'm not patient with Bissoneau anymore or these adults who should know better.
	For those of you who don't know, there's controversy out of Alberta that Danielle Smith, the new premier, is passing legislation, transphobic legislation.
	And I do this thought experiment with anyone with an open mind, not with scoundrels like these people.
	What's transphobic about it?
	Well, apparently it wants to increase or set an age limit for surgeries and hormone therapy.
	Apparently it wants to make it mandatory that kids can't socially transition at school without the knowledge of their parents.
	Controversial stuff.
	Organizations representing the trans community and the 2SLGBTQ+ community here in Alberta.
	He forgot the IA.
	In Canada, it's 2SLGBTQIA+.
	This guy also on the right, I say this like glib, doesn't have pronouns in his bio.
	I thought that was a faux pas for adults.
	Yep.
	Unfortunate that we have to have this in face of Daniel Smith's horrendous policy recommendations, suggestions.
	Recommendations.
	That kids can't have surgery until they're...
	Tell us why this is so terrifying and what was your main message today at the meeting?
	Yeah, well, this is a direct attack on trans people in this province.
	Direct attack.
	but we know that it doesn't end here, that this is an attack on all human rights and that we are all impacted by this.
	I'm not paying the rest of this.
	I'll give everybody the tweets.
	You cannot blame young, impressionable youth, developing adults, when they're bombarded with this crap day in and day out.
	They're not taught how to think.
	They're given the conclusions of what to think.
	And Warren Smith, in real time, I think the video is a little bit longer than the four-minute edited down.
	He did it.
	It's amazing.
	And the world needs more teachers like Warren, who we're going to get to know now.
	And if anybody's not, if I see anybody in the chat complaining that, why are you talking about his childhood?
	First of all, the man is very young.
	He's still a child in my books.
	We're doing it because I need to understand the person.
	All right, so with that said, everybody, you know the standard things.
	Viva Frye, Montreal litigator turned YouTuber, David Frye.
	Hey, someone else told me something very interesting about my name.
	I forget what it was.
	It doesn't matter.
	We're going to end on YouTube as per usual.
	Head over to Rumble exclusively.
	Maybe if there's time, an after party on Locals.
	And we're doing an off hour because it's Super Bowl Sunday.
	I don't care about the Super Bowl.
	I don't have my best friend in Florida and his parents where I always used to watch it religiously every year.
	That was the best Sunday of the year.
	But my parents are down here now and I'm going to go watch the Super Bowl with my parents so we can...
	Have an amazing evening.
	It's like the trauma of being Canadian.
	I was like, hey mom, do you guys get the American commercials down here?
	We're in America.
	They get the good commercials.
	We don't have to watch Canadian Tire.
	Crappy Canadian commercials instead of what everyone watches the Super Bowl or Taylor Swift.
	I'm joking.
	Commercials.
	Okay.
	This has been a longer intro than I wanted or intended.
	Warren, are you ready?
	Thumb up.
	Booyah.
	Here we go.
	Sir, how goes the battle?
	It's going.
	It's actually going very well, I think.
	You know, all things considered.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	First of all, thank you for...
	Some people are scared of me on social media, so thank you for accepting the invitation.
	I'm going to ask you this question before we get into childhood.
	You are sincerely a calm and composed individual on a daily basis.
	You don't flip out and...
	You're not erratically behaved like you are the way you appear to be in real life.
	I believe I am, yes.
	As far as I can tell.
	30,000 foot overview.
	I'm going to just double check the audios, but 30,000 foot overview for those who, well, now everybody's seen the video, but for those who don't know who you are.
	Who I am?
	I am a teacher with a background in filmmaking.
	I studied movie producing and screenwriting in undergrad at UNC School of the Arts.
	And then I worked in Hollywood for a while.
	Worked as a videographer.
	Freelancer as well and left LA after a few years and realized it's not really the world for me.
	And I ended up going to graduate school in Boston at Emerson College to get my MFA in videography and filmmaking.
	Same subject really.
	And started teaching while I was at Emerson College.
	Teaching assistant.
	Then started teaching some professional studies classes.
	Then became a high school teacher after that.
	It's funny.
	The range of emotions I just went through when you said you went to Hollywood.
	I'm like, oh no.
	And then it's like, when I left, it's like, that's good, that's bad.
	Homer Simpson with the frozen yogurt.
	36 years old.
	Born and raised in North Carolina.
	North Carolina.
	Everybody's going to get frustrated.
	How many siblings?
	I have one brother.
	Older?
	Younger.
	I have a younger brother.
	Yes.
	Childhood growing up in North Carolina?
	You play golf?
	Is it a beautiful childhood?
	I don't play golf.
	It was a very beautiful childhood.
	Grew up in the mountains outside Asheville, North Carolina, in the woods, in a cabin that my dad built by himself.
	My parents were both professors, and I couldn't have imagined a better childhood.
	Both of your parents are professors?
	Art professors.
	My dad is retired now.
	He taught wood design, and my mom taught metals design, jewelry design.
	So north of Asheville, is this what they call the Smoky Mountains is not in North Carolina, is it?
	The Appalachian Mountains.
	I think it's the, yeah, they call it the Blue Ridge Mountains.
	Blue Ridge Mountains, okay.
	I think that's where the intro scene to Donnie Darko was shot, if I'm not mistaken.
	It's like Last of the Mohicans was filmed there.
	They actually filmed the first Hunger Games in Asheville.
	Oh, cool.
	Asher was rated one of the most livable cities in America.
	It was one of the places we were looking at.
	Highest per capita breweries for beer, if you're a beer fan.
	It's a cool city.
	When you say you grew up in a log cabin, was that the country place or was that the main residence?
	Because my parents were teachers, they both taught at East Carolina University.
	We would spend every summer out on this.
	They bought this little spot in the woods.
	Before I was born and my dad cleared it and then built this all by himself, like literally by himself.
	It's hard for people to wrap their heads around that, but that is the case.
	And so when people ask me, where'd you grow up?
	It's easier than saying on the East Coast in the winter and on the Eastern part in the winter and then the summers we go in the mountains because my heart is really in the mountains still to this day.
	So now when I go down for Christmas, I'm in the mountains.
	There's no family left in Greenville.
	Everybody's...
	There.
	So, you know, the bulk of my childhood, I would say, was there.
	Are parents still married?
	Yeah.
	How many?
	That's got to be 50 years?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And religious upbringing or not at all?
	That's an interesting story.
	That's really interesting because my mom used to try and take us to church.
	And I think she did it because she grew up in a very religious household and she felt like that's what you need to do as a mom.
	It never ended up becoming a weekly thing.
	My dad never went.
	My dad grew up in Hollywood.
	He's a character.
	It didn't stick for her.
	Later in life, I did become more religious.
	I would consider myself a Christian.
	I was just having an interesting conversation with my mom recently where I ended up conducting a little thought experiment.
	I was talking to her about Christianity.
	I just met this girl.
	I started dating.
	I was like, yeah, she's a Christian.
	It's really cool.
	She's like, Like, oh, why is that important?
	You know, like, why is that a good thing?
	And I was like, well, I know that, you know, that you don't put much stock in this.
	Like, so if you were to ask her, do you believe in God?
	She would kind of give a response to her.
	Like, I think he's, I think it's good to believe in God, but, you know.
	Christians, they've started a lot of wars today and they just seem to think they're better than everyone else.
	And I would break that down and I would get specific.
	Your mother said this?
	My mother was saying this, yeah.
	I say this without judgment because it's one of the classic arguments that a lot of people have been killed in the name of religion.
	Right.
	And then even when you cite World War II, well, they say, well, Hitler was driven by some religious motive against the Jews, although he didn't only...
	You know, he didn't only try to exterminate the Jews.
	And then you look at Stalinism, communism, Maoism, which was a-religious or sacrilegious.
	Yeah, it was a perfect example of, I guess that's where I kind of got all this doing the Socratic method was applying it to these conversations with my family often.
	So in that instance, I said, you know, she said, well, because Christians start wars.
	Can you give me an example?
	What wars are currently?
	Are going on that were started by Christians.
	Are you talking about Hamas fighting the Jews?
	I don't understand what you...
	And then she crumbles with it.
	She goes, well, I just don't want to talk about this.
	And that's often how those conversations usually go.
	With an adult, their brains are already wired.
	So it's like the cognitive dissonance.
	They can't unwire it or de-wire like a kid can or rewire in real time.
	Yeah, because that student in that video, he just literally said what came to his mind in a very honest manner.
	And that's why the conversation flowed so well.
	I think it's one of the reasons it resonates so well.
	And then I was even talking to my mom pretty recently.
	I was like, Mom, we used to have these conversations all the time.
	But when I start asking you these questions, she says, I feel attacked when you start.
	I feel like you're cornering me.
	I'm just asking questions.
	She calls it bullying me.
	I'm doing nothing different than what you saw in that video.
	But if you were as gracious as that kid, then it would be a very similar interaction.
	There's no reason to feel like I'm bullying you or anything.
	No, they might be getting cornered by logic.
	I mean, at the end of the day, logic will corner you, but by math and not by force or by...
	You know, logic and not by force.
	And then I think like when they say the classic examples of religious wars, the go-to are the Crusades.
	And I think a lot of people are even historically, not illiterate, but largely naive as to the history origin and what the Crusades were and in response to.
	But that's the subject.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'll say in that, is that anything can be taken to an extreme.
	Religions, any religion can be taken to an extreme.
	So that's not an argument to disprove the value of any religion, I feel.
	And I usually, I never thought I'd be asked that question.
	So good on you.
	I haven't even scratched the surface yet.
	Okay, go for it.
	I probably should have taken the route of like, oh, that's a too complicated question.
	Because it is such a very difficult question to answer.
	It's more something along the lines, I like to live as though God exists, but it would take us a while to dissect it.
	So I would just say, yeah, I do.
	I think there is more to this life than what we see.
	I just, oh no, and I was going to say, people say I'm not religious.
	I have discovered as you get older, something will substitute for the religion.
	So if you don't believe in Jesus or Christ or the Talmud, Talmud's probably not the best example, but Judaism, if you don't believe in something as per the quintessential three religions, something else is going to substitute for that deep human need, and it will either be It'll be some form of cultism to replace it.
	I think what we're witnessing right now, especially as relates to the whole trans discussion, is religious tendencies manifesting through politics.
	And politics, I think, has become the new religion, if it hasn't always been.
	Okay, so, and you see, I mean, look, the thought experiments with your mother and your father, you still get along with them, you talk to them.
	Oh, yeah.
	We're very close.
	I love it.
	And she keeps me balanced as well.
	It's good to have someone challenge you.
	On these things.
	It absolutely keeps me balanced.
	And this has been, I think it's been an eye-opener for her as well, seeing how, I mean, no one, I never expected this, but seeing how far that video resonated.
	And then, because in her mind, when she watches it, to her credit, she's like, there's nothing wrong with it.
	Why would anyone have an issue?
	Why would you be worried about anything?
	Why would you be worried about, you know, your job or social ramifications?
	I don't think she fully understands the intensity of those who do have a presupposition about that topic.
	That there's already people that are so entrenched on it that they won't change their mind regardless of what evidence is presented.
	We'll get into the viral video stuff just because there's some common thread to everything that goes viral.
	No, your mum, I guess, nobody who's not living in the current era right now can understand these social pressures as to what can make that video potentially a liability.
	I mean, it's wild that a patient, thoughtful, analytic teacher walking a student through a real-time experiment can be controversial because of the conclusion to which the student came, which defies the orthodoxy of the time, which is J.K. Rowling is a bigot, and if you come to any other conclusion, you've done the math wrong.
	What was I about to say here?
	We're going to end this on YouTube, people.
	And it doesn't change anything on our end, Warren.
	We're going to carry this on.
	Speaking of respecting free speech and everything, on Rumble.
	So I'm going to give everyone a link one more time.
	I cut you off.
	Sorry about that.
	You're asking about family being close, but we're very close.
	Absolutely.
	That's fantastic.
	And it's funny.
	So link to Rumble, and I'll end with this anecdote.
	I'm the youngest of five kids.
	Dad's a lawyer.
	I was a lawyer.
	I'm still a lawyer, but not practicing and not licensed in Quebec.
	Brother's a lawyer, sister's a lawyer, other brother's a lawyer, there's one who's not.
	Our Friday night dinners were the exact same Socratic method, but shouting matches.
	So nobody's, dad's not sitting around like walking us through.
	It's like a different tactic, but we arrived at the same conclusions, which is think critically, think independently, and always challenge your own foregone conclusions.
	To be continued on Rumble People, we are ending on YouTube 3, 2, 1. Okay, so now growing up, I'm just curious actually, like growing up, are you going to public, private school in the city?
	That's a good question.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Public school, this is actually really, my mom was always questioning public schools and education.
	She wanted, always, clearly, obviously, most mothers do, she wanted what was best.
	And she'd found this, where some of my friends in the mountains, I was telling you about outside Asheville there, there was this little, very alternative hippie school, I would call it, characterize it as, with 40 kids in it.
	It was a Quaker fundamental school, and I ended up going there at age 12. So I was at a boarding school at age 12. Boarding school means away from home.
	I was living in a, yeah, I was away from home, living in a...
	Yeah, a boarding house at age 12. And it was interesting.
	I made it for about a year.
	And I was like, can I just come home?
	This is kind of...
	My brother did the same thing.
	My cousin, his mother passed away the same year.
	We adopted him legally.
	And he ended up at the boarding school with my brother.
	They were both two years behind me.
	And it resonated more with them, that lifestyle.
	And I think it had a big impact on them.
	And they stayed for the entire...
	Three years.
	The school was 7th, 8th, and 9th grade.
	I went back to public school.
	Ended up going back to boarding school later on.
	I'm projecting.
	If I'm a 12-year-old kid and my parents send me off basically to camp for a year, is it five days a week and you come back on the weekends or is it months on end?
	I wouldn't come back except for holidays.
	I'm going to ask you a question.
	Jesus, if you haven't thought about it or I've been asked it.
	Did that leave any sort of lingering trauma or resentment to your parents in the sense that you thought...
	No, it was all because it was an adventure and I wanted to do it.
	You know, it was...
	So definitely not resentment or trauma.
	I did realize how much I missed being home and just the world that...
	Well, the warmth and the smell of...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I did miss that, but it was...
	And the moment that I realized that I didn't want to do another year there...
	Yeah, they made that happen.
	So no resentment, no trauma.
	What lingering effects did it have?
	I don't know.
	My parents sent me to camp.
	It was two months of summer camp.
	They didn't come on visiting day.
	Not that I hold any grudges, but it takes a while to get used to, but two months versus a year.
	And summer camp versus school is like night and day.
	And even though summer camp and everything you love about nature, country, swimming, and all that, I was still homesick like a...
	Like a sniveling little baby.
	I wanted to do like what Harry Potter was doing.
	He went off at age 11. So I could do that.
	That's what I was thinking.
	I don't get the reference because I've never seen one Harry Potter movie.
	Are you serious?
	No research?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Not one Harry Potter.
	I'm not into the Star Wars and I've never seen an episode of Game of Thrones.
	That being said, there's a lot of other stuff I know better than I should.
	And when do you...
	Hold on, when do you get out?
	So you study North Carolina, elementary school, high school.
	What type of kid were you in high school?
	Troublemaker?
	Defiance?
	No, I wasn't a troublemaker, I don't think.
	I mean, no, I wasn't very good at sports, really.
	I always wanted to be a filmmaker.
	I was like the indie, you know, Garden State came out around that time, and so I was listening to that kind of music.
	I had that kind of vibe, but...
	I kind of was adopted in by the—because, again, I was going to boarding school again later in high school and then coming home, but I had this foundation of friends there, and I kind of was adopted by the cool kids, the jocks and the skaters.
	We were all in the—and it was a lot of fun.
	I really—those who are looking back on it, you know, those days in high school, those house parties and things like that are some of the greatest memories.
	We're still before the age of social media, so you could do things, absolutely idiotic things that would not ruin your life forever because they'd get on the internet and never come down.
	Facebook came out for the year I graduated high school to go to college.
	One day I'll do a tell-all.
	The things that we did as kids, and I'm almost 10 years older than you, but like...
	Other than the fact, if they were done in the States, you'd probably get arrested.
	And if people knew, like if they had the cameras back then, we would have all been, as it was, we were working with VHS tapes and my brother's got a stash.
	The stuff we did there would get you so cancelled today.
	Man, okay, so where did you, so university, where'd you go and what'd you study?
	First, I went to UNC Wilmington because they had a film program.
	Very, not a...
	Great one.
	And it was very close to where I grew up.
	And a lot of my friends were going there.
	So I went there for a year and a half.
	And then that second year, I did a semester abroad in Italy through the University of Georgia in Cortona, Italy.
	And that, when I was over in Italy, I received an acceptance letter to transfer to UNC School of the Arts, which was...
	University of Northern Carolina.
	Yeah, but it's the School of the Arts Conservatory.
	And they're one of the top 10 film schools for years now.
	An extremely good film school.
	And it was also in-state tuition.
	It was awesome.
	I was going to transfer over.
	And then they said I had Crohn's disease.
	I ended up in the hospital for three months, had to take a year off before transferring over.
	So all said and done, it took me, I was in undergrad for four, five, six years, not counting that year off in between.
	Now you said they said you had Crohn's disease.
	Did you in fact get diagnosed with Crohn's disease?
	Yeah, I was, but I've never had any.
	I had a major surgery where they took out a big section of intestine, and I was in the hospital, ridden for three months, and apparently it was worse than I even realized.
	It was major, and I was at a commission for that whole year.
	Because of the date lining up with acceptance, I had to wait.
	But I've never had an issue with it since.
	Do I have Crohn's?
	I don't know.
	It's one of those illnesses that autoimmune disorder, they call it.
	It's something they don't really know much about.
	They're starting to know more about it.
	Back then, they didn't really know much about it.
	And they removed, I presume, the inflamed section of intestines.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Once upon a time, they were going through my stomach and they're looking for Crohn's, celiac disease.
	They came down with what they call the Jewish stomach IBS, irritable bowel syndrome, which I believe is a mental issue and not a physiological one, unlike Crohn's, which is diagnosable.
	Oh, wow.
	That's serious.
	Yeah, it was serious.
	The neurotic hypochondriac wants me to ask a bunch of medical questions about that, but I will not.
	Ultimately, you heal up after a long surgery.
	And go to UNC School of the Arts.
	From which you graduated.
	From which I graduated.
	Yeah, that was a crazy experience.
	If you go to my website, there's short films that I made back then.
	Any short films that would get you cancelled by today's standards?
	No, I don't think so.
	No.
	No.
	And so what is it?
	Well, I'm going to put the website in there afterwards, but I'm curious.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wsmithmedia.com.
	We can put that in there.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	So short films.
	Any submit to festivals and whatever?
	Yeah, we did festivals.
	And then right after graduating, we did a feature film.
	I wrote and produced a feature film that we filmed entirely at that cabin I was telling you about on that property with 25 students came out.
	That summer camped for three weeks.
	We raised $25,000 to produce it, and you can watch that full film on my YouTube channel.
	It's called As the Crow Flies.
	As the Crow Flies.
	If I'm picturing 25 students out in a cabin, it has to be Blair Witchian.
	Is it a comedy, horror, drama?
	It's about modern-day bootleggers, a brother and sister who have to bootleg a large amount of money to a drop point in order to make the big payday and retire.
	They're taking care of these two orphans.
	Okay, that actually sounds mildly original by the way.
	Yeah, it was okay.
	It came out okay.
	Okay, so you study film and like I would say, unless you strike it, you don't really...
	It's tough to make a living in film after you graduate with a film degree.
	You make it out to Hollywood.
	That was a remarkable...
	Yeah, just making that feature was kind of an unheard of thing.
	It was a miracle in itself.
	So there was some momentum there, and I had some crazy experiences after that.
	There's some videos on my YouTube channel from four years ago where I was talking to students about filmmaking.
	I do go into some of those things, like the ones called The Worst Mistake I Ever Made, where I trusted the wrong person after producing that film, doing a short film.
	He actually acted in that film and asked me to...
	I wrote...
	A short film model at UNC School of the Arts.
	He brought him in to direct it.
	Then he was going to produce a feature film and asked me to, but he didn't go to the UNC School of the Arts.
	Wanted me to assemble the crew and I did all that.
	Brought all those people, contacts I knew.
	Brought them all together and positioned the whole thing the day before cameras started to roll.
	He just got rid of me and then kept the short film that we had made before that and never even sent it to me.
	So that's been lost.
	I don't even have that.
	I have an old cut from that.
	So that really messed with my head.
	That was one of the things that I took a toll.
	And then it took me a few months to figure out what I was going to do after that.
	It's a long story to really get into how.
	Why that was such a doozy, psychologically as well as just logistically.
	But anyway, so I did realize, like, I'm going to keep going.
	I'm going to go out to L.A., give that a go.
	Did it.
	Ended up working as a talent agent for a literary agency, just a little boutique one in Beverly Hills.
	How old are you at this time?
	20. You'll see, I graduated when I was 23, so I was probably...
	Let's see, 21, 22, 23, 24. So I graduated when I was 25. I was probably 26 at this point.
	Okay, so 10 years ago, it was still the festering cesspool of morally degenerates.
	Yeah, I had some crazy experiences.
	I did an internship in New York as well.
	I've experienced the movie industry in both New York and LA.
	They're both pretty...
	It's the worst aspects of society seem to...
	It's just...
	And I realized, I mean, I got some great experiences that allowed me then maybe to get into graduate school and to, you know, it was cool as an assistant.
	It was kind of like, did you ever see Entourage?
	One or two episodes.
	You got like the agent being played, you know.
	He wasn't as interesting or as funny as that guy, but it's a crazy high-paced world and I was the assistant.
	With my headphones on, listening to all the calls, taking the calls, doing all the emails, and it's just me and him.
	So I learned a lot from it.
	I think he, I might have rubbed him the wrong way in some sense.
	I don't remember.
	I don't remember.
	But anyway, I just knew in the long run, too, that it wasn't, like you said, it's difficult.
	And I have a lot of classmates from that school.
	Everyone either went to Atlanta, which was a huge, still probably a huge hub of production, LA or New York.
	And so a bunch of them were still out there, and they are still out there, and they're bouncing.
	Some of them have gone union.
	Some have gone cinematographers union or whatever, makeup, and have done very well.
	Those in makeup have done very well, because that's one of the best ways to do it.
	Such a niche, small niche.
	But you're always hustling for that next project.
	Anyway, I knew that I didn't want to live on the West Coast either.
	You know, regardless, I knew I needed to be near my family as well.
	And there's something about the East Coast that resonates with me.
	So a few years, and I presume you have the experience is what many of us think it is there.
	Not for you.
	You come back.
	How many years did you spend out in L.A.?
	Two years, I think.
	Long enough.
	And you come back, and I guess the question is, how do you get into teaching?
	At Emerson College when I was in grad school.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So you go to grad school at Emerson College, and you get the degree, and then, I mean, how does that even work practically?
	I thought I was, it was a three-year program, which, and then right after I got there, they launched this two-year advanced program, which I got a scholarship, a half-ride scholarship to go as well.
	That's why, one of the reasons I chose that school, but I also fell in love with Boston.
	And I thought, I was like, whoa.
	Of course, my parents were both university professors, like, whoa, that's a really cool.
	And they had always talked about going to teaching, going to teaching, because the schedule is so great and time off.
	And so I thought, wow, it'd be so cool to be a film professor.
	And, you know, like I had seen at UNC School of the Arts.
	And it's gotten very difficult with tenure track.
	And they're hiring more and more, like what I'm doing now, where they hire me to teach one course as an affiliate faculty.
	It's much cheaper than hiring.
	They're trying to kind of cut tenure positions.
	It's because it's very expensive to have a tenure track and that it's also hard to get rid of them.
	Just as a business model, I can understand that.
	I teach.
	I'm an affiliate faculty still at Emerson, but I don't think they'll ever offer me a tenure track, especially not after this whole thing.
	You know who Gadsat is?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so not his security net, but call it the golden handcuffs or whatever.
	His security is that he's a tenured professor at Concordia up in Canada.
	If he weren't, he would have been canned.
	They would have found a way to get rid of him a decade ago, certainly after the parasitic mine, but even well before that.
	Yeah, he was one of the ones who commented on the video, and that was a huge honor seeing that.
	That was really cool.
	It's a wonderful thing to see in real time.
	I think many people might have been under the impression it was a high school and not a university.
	And so I'm calling him a kid, but the kid is 18 years old.
	It was a...
	I think I could say that it was not...
	Let's just say it was not a university.
	It's not a university.
	No.
	And I'm not trying to get you together.
	I want to get you in trouble.
	Yeah, no worries.
	And the kid is not a...
	He's 18. He's about to graduate.
	So how does it come to be that you have this context?
	On the one hand, recording one way with the teacher is not unheard of.
	I can tell you.
	I'll tell you.
	Because I teach students.
	I'm a multimedia teacher.
	I teach students how to work with camera, photography, a lot of Photoshop, 3D printing, things like that.
	And we were doing a newscast.
	This was on a Friday.
	We were going to record the newscast, and that kid was supposed to be on camera to do the newscast.
	Started to get cold feet.
	Said, here, we'll do a little exercise warm-up.
	I'll get on camera.
	You can operate camera.
	It's not hard.
	Let's have a conversation.
	Just forget the camera's there.
	What's something that interests you?
	Pretend it's like a podcast.
	So that's the question that he asked, and the rest is what was on camera.
	And then after that, he actually did go do the newscast, so it worked.
	It's fantastic.
	Don't have a problem public speaking, but a lot of people, I mean, I can understand rightly so, like, it's out there forever, and if you sneeze and a booger comes out of your nose, it's on the internet forever.
	And context of the class, how many kids are in the class, or how many students?
	I probably shouldn't go into all that.
	Okay, and so you record the video.
	It was longer, right?
	It was edited down.
	It was slightly longer, yeah, where he was looking for the tweet.
	You know, I didn't think anybody was even gonna, I wasn't, like, editing this to, I was...
	Have you had a video go, not this viral, but viral before?
	When I first, that feature film I told you about, when I first posted that to YouTube, because the distribution guy, distribution agreement, they screwed us over.
	I was like, forget this.
	I'm just going to post it.
	Posted it on YouTube.
	Didn't even look at it for a month.
	And then I got an email saying, oh, you've crossed a thousand subscribers.
	And it had 350,000 views.
	For me, that's huge.
	And that's when, that was a year ago.
	About a year and a half ago.
	And that's when I thought, wow, there's something to YouTube.
	As a filmmaker, this is a way to reach an audience.
	And that's when I started playing with it a little bit more.
	And you'll see some stuff I've been doing on there.
	But I used to use it just as a teaching and as a way to kind of build up a teaching portfolio.
	To secure teaching jobs, have something to show on a website.
	No one was really watching them.
	People have ripped it and clipped it and reposted it, but on the original source now, how many views is it up to?
	I'm not sure.
	It's wild.
	If you've never had this sensation before...
	Just to get notifications, to refresh, and the numbers go up.
	And then you're like, holy crap, apples.
	Well, my channel didn't get the views.
	It only got 400,000 on my channel.
	It's at like 44 million on the other channels.
	That's wild.
	There is a copyright tool on YouTube.
	So when it starts going viral, this is a thing like also when people put a video out there, they have no idea it's going to go viral and the attention it's going to garner.
	Is there a moment where you get nervous?
	Like, holy shit, now...
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And so what was the sequence of events?
	When did it, in relation to you posting it, when did you notice that it was getting traction?
	We'd had the interaction with the student was on that Friday when we did the newscast.
	I posted it maybe that day.
	I edited it three minutes.
	I didn't really edit it.
	I just took out that one section and put in a few minutes later.
	I was like, oh, this should have that meme.
	A few minutes later, you know, that with the dot, dot, dot meme.
	It doesn't matter.
	I posted it like the next day.
	Five days go by.
	It's got like 10,000 views.
	I'm like, whoa, 10,000 views.
	This is doing well.
	Wow, this is cool.
	A teacher that I work with saw that as well.
	He's like, oh, that's cool.
	He's like, well, I'll challenge you to a debate.
	Let's do a debate on Elon Musk and Twitter.
	And so I said, okay, yeah.
	And so we filmed that after school with no students.
	And then I posted that one on...
	This is funny because this is relevant to the story.
	I posted that on Saturday.
	And then...
	Sunday is when Elon tweeted the video.
	Now, I don't know if Elon saw the debate.
	We like to think perhaps he did, where I was taking the position that what he's doing is good for free speech.
	And I was not even taking a position.
	I was trying to kind of use the same methodology about free speech is the least bad option.
	You know, like off the Winston Churchill that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.
	There's no perfect system.
	That was the premise of the debate.
	He was saying that all the flaws, that was his genuine perspective anyway.
	So we posted that debate.
	It was just, perhaps it was just coincidence.
	He probably didn't see it.
	But the very next day it happens.
	I'd be curious to watch that because I'm trying to think of what I would have to argue if I were going to argue the position I didn't believe in that what Elon is doing is dangerous.
	He looked up tweets.
	He looked up tweet mean, this is often the tactic, mean tweets that Elon had said.
	And blame real world conduct allegedly being inspired by these tweets.
	That and that you shouldn't have the right to insult people.
	Only an idiot would say that.
	Right, but I give him credit for engaging in the debate and he's genuinely a good guy and he also is one of those people that keeps me balanced because he does have differing opinions and he's been super helpful with all this.
	And I should say he, as that very person, has been so supportive.
	If you watch the Secret Scholars short film that we're developing to feature, he's the one who composed all the music.
	He acts in it as well.
	And he's actually working with me to...
	To develop the Secret Scholar Society moving forward, given the craziness that we're in.
	My brother is becoming my manager.
	He's a whiz with social media and all of this stuff.
	He's just very good with it.
	Secret Scholar Society.
	Secret Scholar Society.
	That's the YouTube channel that this was originally posted to.
	Okay, I shared it actually.
	Let me see here.
	Warren Smith-Secret Scholar Society.
	Yeah, okay.
	And whenever I hear society, I just think Dead Poets Society or Fight Club, something along those lines.
	So you post the video on a Friday.
	It's amazing also.
	Like just willy-nilly editing.
	No flashy, no nothing.
	And oftentimes that actually detracts from the substance of this.
	And this goes viral.
	I've got a theory.
	I've said it a few times and have had a few videos go viral before the law stuff.
	Like the squirrel stealing a GoPro.
	I made a video where we were cooking an ostrich egg.
	Shot off my iPhone.
	Totally crappy video editing.
	The video had a glitch because my camera had a little purple pixel that was broken on it.
	And it gets like millions and millions of views because there's something just universal in it.
	And things can go viral because it's universally good or universally bad, and this tapped into Well, that's the thing is that...
	Did I draw the student to the conclusion?
	And I understand the position that some people would say that I did.
	I tried not to.
	Initially, the one portion where you could say that I could see that is where I interpret the tweet.
	But initially, I said, okay, when he read the tweet, I said, do you see anything transphobic there?
	I could see that he was struggling with understanding The essence of what was being said.
	And then I tried to as accurately and concisely represent the real subtext of what she was saying, the bones of what she was putting out there.
	I wasn't trying to misinterpret it.
	And I do think that that was an accurate representation of the tweet.
	So if someone wanted to, I mean, they could make an argument for that, but I think it was pretty fair.
	No, it's funny.
	As I'm watching the whole thing, and I've studied philosophy and practiced law, and we are trained with the words.
	And I'm like, okay.
	Someone could say, here, you're trying now to shape the way he's thinking by telling him what you think.
	You're his teacher.
	You're an authority figure.
	So he's going to go along with that.
	But the flip side is, though, you can continue with the asking of the questions.
	Well, what makes it transphobic?
	And you can go with that questioning method.
	And then at some point, you end up sort of at a reductio where he says, well, I can...
	And he did say it, and it's also steel manning the argument.
	I can see how other people look at this and find it offensive.
	And then, you know, then the question is, well, and then what?
	And then we're like at the, you know, who created the step one?
	It's like, and then what?
	Well, then we have to make our own decisions.
	And then whose judgment is better?
	And also, I think it's fair to mention that, imagine as a lawyer, you understand this, a judge is going to analyze the evidence that is presented to them, and then they have to come to a binary decision of either guilty or not guilty, or yes, defamation or not defamation, or a juror for that matter.
	And it's simply in that video clip, it's just whatever the evidence that is presented, what is the logical conclusion?
	It's not necessarily...
	I don't know.
	I mean, perhaps you could say it's guiding him, but...
	Only if someone wanted to criticize you for anything in that, but it was...
	What was amazing about it is that it does flesh out the thought process of adults and young people alike, as I hear.
	They say.
	I've never actually really gone to the source material myself, and then when I do, I will then come to the conclusion that no, it doesn't say what they say it says, but this is the world in which we live.
	And then you got, even if it doesn't say what they say it says, then you got to, well, I have to understand the way they feel because everything is relative, everyone is entitled to their truths, and there's no objective truth.
	But at the end of the day, that's why at some point kids become adults and they say, no, there's not...
	Everyone doesn't have their own truth.
	Everyone doesn't have their own subjective reality.
	Is it offensive?
	Is it a call to violence?
	Or is it something that might insult you?
	And do you even have a right not to get insulted?
	Yeah, because if it's all subjective truth, how would a judge come to a conclusion?
	And the judge comes to that conclusion without bringing in bias.
	So if a judge can do it, why can't a student do it or a teacher without being told that they're being biased by doing that very thing?
	Depends which judges you're talking about, Warren.
	I understand.
	Without getting political.
	Theoretically, that's what they should be doing.
	Now, for information sources, did you study philosophy?
	Do you read philosophy as a pastime?
	Sometimes.
	I mean, I've done a little bit of reading.
	Here's my position on this.
	I believe that the Socratic method, this way of thinking, is ingrained within us.
	I would ask you, do you think Socrates invented the Socratic method, or did he discover something that already existed in the way that an archaeologist uncovers a pyramid, or something that was already there?
	Something that already existed.
	I've thought about this as when a composer makes music, are they discovering a connection of notes, or are they creating...
	Or a mathematician, a mathematician making a mathematical breakthrough.
	Are they inventing a mathematical breakthrough?
	Are they discovering a...
	It's a pattern within the universe that is already ingrained within the universe.
	So I think this way of thinking is already ingrained within us naturally.
	We just have to be able to tap into that.
	For certain things like logic, reasoning, brain activity, I would say for sure.
	For things like the arts, I think you are ultimately not discovering a certain pattern of connections, but you are in fact creating something.
	When it comes to art, I haven't really...
	That's an interesting argument.
	That's an interesting argument because I love examining archetypes.
	And how authors use those and filmmakers.
	And archetypes are these characters that are ingrained with us as well.
	Why does the three-act structure resonate with us?
	Why does the hero's journey resonate with us on a visceral, subconscious level?
	There's something ingrained already there.
	Yes, art, there is a subjective element to that.
	But artists have been trying to pursue a definition of beauty by creating Michelangelo's debut.
	They're trying to Tap into eternal truths that do already exist there, I believe, in some level.
	I tend to agree with that.
	It's funny, I just had this thought earlier today, and I was thinking about maybe tweeting it or sharing it with the world, but I went into Target.
	You saw the Nerf gun I got my kid.
	So we go into Target, and I'm looking at the models, and I'm looking at them, and I'm saying, at one point, the models used to be representative of beauty, and I know everybody says beauty is subjective, and this is beautiful too, but...
	When you fundamentally understand this, or believe, as I do, that they're not using these models to exemplify beauty, but rather to defy traditional norms of beauty, then the marketing kind of makes sense.
	And they're doing it not because they think it's beautiful, despite the fact that they say it is, but because it defies the conventional, historical, human understanding of what everyone always thought was beautiful for right or for wrong.
	I think there's subjective variations of beauty, but if beauty was purely subjective, we wouldn't have advertising and movie stars.
	There are on some levels, it's going to vary.
	Some people are going to find certain, they're going to have preferences, but we all can recognize who played Barbie, Margot Robbie.
	If beauty was absolutely completely subjective, I mean, this is an easy argument to disprove logically, then we would, is Margot Robbie beautiful?
	Taylor Swift might be, everyone says, oh, she's plain, she, whatever.
	Objectively, I take the baby analogy.
	If a baby cries when they look at someone's face, and this could be for natural reasons or unnatural reasons, and it's also where as you get to be an adult and then you understand that spiritual beauty can absolutely easily compensate or even overtake the absence of physical beauty.
	But bottom line, symmetry...
	There are certain visceral reactions that you get from looking at certain faces and other faces.
	It's an evolutionary response.
	It's a way for us to understand subconsciously that we have a higher likelihood of reproducing with that person and carrying our genetic code.
	It's a way of quantifying that.
	Without the ability, you can't have...
	Inches without a yardstick or a way of measuring.
	You can't tell whether a tree is tall or short if there's nothing to provide context at all.
	If everything is subjective, there's no such thing as a tall tree or a short tree.
	There's no such thing as beautiful or not beautiful.
	And we don't understand that this happens in the same way that archetypes resonate with us or the Socratic method.
	It happens in a split second on a subconscious level.
	But I do believe that Like when someone walks by you on the street and you do a double take, why are you doing that?
	I don't do that anymore.
	When you get married for 17 years, my wife doesn't spank me.
	But you know what I mean.
	I'm joking, I'm joking.
	Although I do want to add something.
	I watched that stupid-ass Barbie movie just recently, not one of the controversy.
	What I hated most about it, they actually made Ryan Gosling look ugly in that movie.
	Like, Ryan Gosling, as far as I'm concerned, like Brad Pitt, there's certain, what's the word?
	Not epitomes, but paradigms of male beauty that I think are pretty objective.
	Ryan Gosling is one of them.
	Ed Norton could be the other one for another reason.
	They made him ugly in that movie, and I'm like, how did they actually manage to make Ryan Gosling ugly?
	So, back it all the way up now, you have this amazing experience.
	Does the student, do you know that you've shared this moment?
	When it happens, or is it only in retrospect?
	What do you mean?
	Do I know that I shared the movie?
	After it's over, the video ends.
	Was there something of a...
	What movie was that from?
	A connection with...
	Oh!
	Yeah, he's a great kid.
	No, he's one of my favorites because of just his personality and everything.
	But no, we didn't think anything of it.
	We just moved on.
	I have interactions like that all the time.
	Yeah, no, I didn't think anything of it.
	And I didn't think, oh, that was brilliant.
	It was a simple interaction.
	I don't want to sound pompous, but it wasn't particularly difficult.
	It's almost fun.
	It's almost like what teachers are supposed to do.
	I do wonder if people tend to be less patient with family than with Not strangers, but students, because you don't have all that built-up baggage.
	Yeah.
	And they care more.
	They're more invested.
	So they hate to see you disagree in certain ways.
	And then they think if you're going to disagree on one thing, that that's going to cast you into this other political category.
	And then they're worried about what everyone else will think about that.
	And, oh, no, my son's going to think this, and he's going to become this lunatic.
	There's a lot of baggage that comes with family.
	Before we get into the aftermath, because I want to bring up a few crumble rants, which I saw here.
	One of them, we talked about it earlier.
	GingerNinja1776 in the middle says he looks like Adam Driver.
	I said, who did I say before we got started?
	Thin Red Line?
	Jim Cavizio when he was younger.
	Jim Cavizio before he got facial hair.
	XTAC says, it's great to finally see North Carolina in the news into next year for something good.
	Rare but uplifting.
	Viva will totally buy you a drink if you ever come to the Raleigh area.
	Sooner than later.
	And we got Pinochet helicopter tours.
	I don't know if this is a real helicopter tour place.
	Thanks for having Professor Neo on.
	I kid.
	Glad the guest likes Massachusetts.
	As someone born and raised here, I've seen others who post the clip call it deprogramming.
	Is that a fair description?
	Deprogramming.
	Deprogramming because a lot of people are saying the younger generation is being brought up.
	I don't think it's any different now than it ever was, but they're being brought up with different foregone conclusions.
	Back in the day, it was whatever was trending at the time.
	Is it deprogramming, or is it just kids learning how to think?
	That's a good question.
	You know what?
	It's an interesting question to ask students sometimes, and sometimes it's not good to do with high school if you don't think they're mature enough to handle it, but you say, if you had you been in Had you been a guard in Nazi Germany and you grew up surrounded in that environment, would you have been a Nazi, do you think?
	They always say no.
	No, absolutely not.
	How do you know that?
	You have the same brain.
	You have the same wiring in your brain.
	It still functions in the same way.
	Are you just somehow...
	More enlightened that you would have been in the middle of that insanity and you would have somehow had this extraordinary strength of character to go against the grain of all these driving forces.
	What is the lesson there is that our environment has an absolutely massive impact on our trajectory and what we see as reality, what we see as acceptable and the norm.
	Programming.
	Are they more programmed now than ever before?
	I mean, I think that there are certain things that's becoming more present in certain aspects.
	We are seeing patterns in the last, maybe since 2000, since Trump came into office, things started to get, I think around then, that's when we started to, yeah, these conversations.
	Became noticeable to me, I'll say.
	I can only comment on what I have actually observed.
	So I don't know if that student is programmed.
	It's just that in that video he said himself that I just heard in my class many people say this and therefore you take that to be true.
	So I think it's just a condition that it's not students now are programmed.
	Everyone can be programmed in the same manner.
	Adults are just as programmed, if not more so.
	The adults are programmed in that, going back to the discussion of your mom, the brain is wired and is even more firmly embedded.
	It's the amazing thing about asking anybody the question now, if you were in Nazi Germany, would you have done it?
	Would you have remained silent as your neighbors were shipped off?
	And it's funny, everyone would reflexively say, absolutely not.
	And to them, I might say, well...
	Did you tell someone to put on a mask?
	And they'll say, well, that's totally different.
	That's not the same thing as shipping people off in trains.
	It's not the same thing, but it does certainly show you the degree to which three years of terror can condition or can create an environment in which people believe the absurd.
	The wisdom there is to understand that you have the capacity within you.
	We all have that capacity hidden within us.
	It's always going to be there.
	To be able to recognize that allows us to control it and to avoid it and to recognize when we have a presupposition or we're making a conclusion and to be able to be open more to logic.
	Because it's not going away.
	And a hundred years from now, it will still be there.
	People will still be out.
	So no, I don't think they're more programmed.
	They're not more susceptible to programming.
	Perhaps the programming itself is more present.
	But the human condition will be the human condition.
	And I know you haven't read Harry Potter, but many in the audience probably have, so I would like to make this analogy.
	Imagine you have the snake dormant in the Chamber of Secrets.
	It's been living underneath Hogwarts for a hundred years, and it's waiting until the heir of Slytherin arrives, and then it will come out, right, and causes you to freeze when you see it.
	What do you do?
	Do you go face the snake like in Harry Potter or do you just let it be until the air arrives for another hundred years, until that one person comes along and then you have another Hitler?
	Or do you acknowledge that the snake is living down in the Chamber of Secrets?
	It's crawling through our pipes, guys, in Hogwarts.
	Are we going to do something about it or not?
	I'm not laughing to make light of it.
	I just messaged in the chat on Rumble.
	It's like, what the hell is he talking about?
	Now I might have to go, if there's some metaphysical, you know, a deeper meaning to Harry Potter.
	I believe there is, but I don't think it was conscious.
	Okay, and then the problem is this, my oldest brother loves Lord of the Rings, and it's the best trilogy to him ever.
	I've watched it, I don't, other than the superficial, deeper meaning of the ring and the power and yada yada, the greed, how it consumes all of us, I didn't like the trilogy at all, and that might be a sacrilege to admit out loud.
	- Okay, so the other question, oh no, the question I was gonna ask now, 'cause you work with the younger generation.
	And so everybody has seen Schindler's List or knows the scene of the little girl, goodbye Jews, goodbye Jews.
	And it's simply to say there was no programming there.
	Now it wasn't Facebook, Instagram, TikTok programming, but there was programming.
	It influenced and shaped an entire generation of young people and adults.
	When it comes to TikTok, are you noticing any more like what I call concentrated?
	Concentrated social media, social influence.
	Well, I'm not that active on TikTok, to be honest with you.
	So I wouldn't be able to make a very articulate observation on that.
	But absolutely, I think more at the higher education levels where I saw it the most when I was at Emerson especially.
	I witnessed some things firsthand that caused me to start.
	My intellectual journey, we'll call it, for lack of a better phrase, really began then because I was confronted with these things firsthand and I saw them having consequences directly upon me and my classmates.
	That's when I started having these dialogues.
	People are saying that I have to read Lord of the Rings in order to truly understand it.
	I'll get it on Audible.
	I can't read it anymore.
	The Light We Cannot See on Netflix is great.
	It just came out.
	And that, it's one of the only shows or movies where we see a Nazi portrayed in a sympathetic way where he's actually the romance that the girl falls in love with, this blind girl who's operating the radios on the resistance, the French resistance.
	But because we see how he grew up, how he was sent to these schools and forced to be, we see the programming actually take place.
	And at the end, we are sad to see him get arrested.
	The light we cannot see.
	All the light we cannot see.
	All the light we cannot see.
	I'm going to definitely bookmark that.
	I remember growing up, my dad made us watch Das Boot, which was like, you know, World War II from the perspective of the Nazis, and it gave you a different perspective.
	Hold on one second here.
	Let me get, if I may, I'm going to grab some of the tipped comments that we have up in our locals community.
	Viva, please read Harry Potter.
	From Emil Sitton.
	LOL.
	I know I would not be a Nazi because I'm naturally suspicious about popular ideas, says Jeanette Victoria.
	Wow, you got him as a guest, Viva, says USA Now.
	I want to see if there's any questions.
	No question, just tipping for a great conversation, says resident Bedouin.
	My family actually left France, Germany in 1743 to come to America because of religious persecutions.
	Feeling attacked over religion has been happening for literally centuries, says This Is Crazy.
	Don't be so hard on yourself, Viva.
	It's not all lack of patience.
	We learned from you, from your leaked car vlog, that the hormones you are taking make you eatable once a month.
	All right.
	And then we got a city in Bryson Hall, a beautiful picture here from Jeanette Victoria.
	What are you, so what are your longer, I mean, this is going to be a very broad question.
	Long-term goals.
	I don't know how many teachers are patient, passionate.
	Do you want to do this?
	What do you see yourself doing in 10 years from now?
	Wow.
	I think about this every day, by the way.
	So much has changed in the last week that I'm having to analyze this very quickly because there's new possibilities that were not there five days ago.
	I don't know if they're actually there, possibilities, but...
	I know that I would regret it forever if I did not try and...
	Pursue my dreams, giving this opportunity to my best of my ability.
	And I know what regret feels like.
	And it's one of the worst things.
	And I want to avoid that at all costs.
	So I'm going to try and grow the YouTube channel, The Secret Scholar Society.
	I really would like to bring that movie, the full feature film, to life.
	That little 20-minute thing is just kind of a thought experiment or a development exercise.
	I think it's a fascinating story that should be brought to light.
	So that's a major goal of mine.
	My dream is to do something.
	I love what The Daily Wire is doing with their movie work, with movie and television.
	The Pendragon cycle, just challenging Hollywood.
	It's so bold and they're so swift and decisive.
	It's really inspiring to see that be the ultimate dream, to end up somewhere like that.
	Not that I even have the capacity or they would invite me to do anything like that, but that would be the dream, to do something like that and be able to pursue.
	My passion of creating content, movies, podcasts, whatever it is, as a filmmaker, and perhaps continue something like this as well.
	That would be the dream.
	It is amazing.
	There's two things.
	Being a teacher, we all know it's a thankless job, both not spiritually all the time, but spiritually much of the time, financially most of the time.
	Financially.
	The idea, like, if you love reaching people and you love changing minds through persuasion, well, there are a multitude of ways of doing it.
	Open discussion, teaching, but also film.
	I don't want to pin you politically or ideologically because, I don't know, Massachusetts still strikes me as being somewhat of a blue state.
	Yes, a blue state.
	But, like, there is something of a culture war going on where you've had...
	The degeneracy of Hollywood conditioning, I say, the world to tolerate and even worship degeneracy.
	And there should be some pushback to that.
	I've only come around to this relatively recently, within the last few years, but there needs to be some sort of ideological, a good way of countering that.
	And making films to change minds is as righteous and wonderful as...
	Sitting down with an 18-year-old kid and making them understand.
	Here's the other side of that coin, though, that's interesting.
	Because if we're making a movie to change minds, is that not, by definition, propaganda?
	Is that not, by definition, the exact thing that we dislike from the other side when they do it and we call it out?
	That's different, though, than telling a true story, such as The Sound of Freedom.
	Where you are documenting something that needs to be told not to change, perhaps, but it's about a reality that is actually happening.
	You're bringing an actual story to life that is actually true.
	Now, when you get into the realm of creating a fictional story to then change minds on a topic, that would, by definition...
	Well, the propaganda, I would say changing minds if it's...
	Now you're making me think about this.
	Changing minds in terms of presenting what you think are the worthwhile belief systems.
	I don't know if that's...
	I mean, is it propaganda?
	Propaganda typically is you assume that it has to be inaccurate or politically or ideologically driven for another purpose other than the truth itself.
	And so like...
	Trying to convince someone that 2 plus 2 equals 4 is not propaganda.
	It's just...
	But that's why I said Sound of Freedom would be true.
	It's a true thing that's happening.
	That's why I said if it's fictional, though.
	Because then you're deciding what's true.
	That's the problem.
	And maybe propaganda is not the right word.
	It's just that I know...
	Manipulation.
	I know that it bothers a lot of people when we see it from Disney or other people on the...
	It's identified often.
	And people have a big issue with it.
	So I don't know if the solution is to engage in the same dirty tactics.
	Well, you see, but this is where I obviously think if it's done from the morally...
	The morally correct position.
	Who gets to decide what's morally correct?
	Lolita is not morally correct.
	Trainspotting, although I even fight on Trainspotting, because Trainspotting, some might say it glamorizes drug use, it normalizes the awfulness of it, but I believe many people were traumatized after seeing that movie who would have an aversion to drugs and not think it's a glamorous lifestyle.
	Pulp Fiction, on the other hand, might make it look a little more glamorous.
	I'm trying to think.
	Requiem for a Dream.
	If anybody hasn't seen that, we'll traumatize anybody out of a number of risky behaviors.
	So if you have movies that celebrate the good instead of glamorizing the evil, I think that's what most people mean when they say, like, have an alternative to hip-hop music that, you know...
	I see what you mean.
	Yeah, but to me, like, Train Spot is just a cool movie.
	I think I'm not about censorship.
	I think artists should be able to make...
	If you want to make Train Spotting, you want to make a movie that some might say, like, Quentin Tarantino, some might say that...
	Glamorizes violence at the end of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
	Violence towards women or women.
	You can always find a problem.
	Artists should be able to do what they want.
	And then if you don't like the movie and you think that it's political messaging from Disney, don't go and see the movie.
	That's the beauty of the free market.
	The free market will respond and keep things in line.
	You know, my issue, and it's only, again, living in retrospect, is I never had any issue with morally degenerate movies, plots, like, you know, things that glamorize violence, glamorize...
	I don't know if you've ever heard...
	Well, I've never seen the movie called a Serbian film, and it was a guy at the movie place back in Montreal 20 years ago said I should watch it if I liked a bunch of other movies.
	Google it afterwards.
	I don't have any problem with movies being made that...
	Glamorize what most people consider to be morally depraved.
	It's only once I realized that it was actually going on behind the closed doors anyhow.
	And so this wasn't art in a void.
	This was really like their art representing or reflecting their reality.
	And once I understood that it was actually the reality, I can no longer go and watch these movies, understanding that this was actually happening to some degree behind closed doors, it makes it all dirty.
	Whereas, you know, that just might be the nature of the beast.
	But I love those movies like Reservoir.
	I mean, I grew up on Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction.
	I hate the new ones because I don't like the historical revisionism of otherwise historical events.
	But I had no problem with it until I realized, holy crap, they are all a bunch of sexual, moral, depraved deviants.
	And I guess it started with Harvey Weinstein.
	I would say it didn't start with him.
	It's been there for way longer than that.
	It's just, he was, in a way, he might have been a scapegoat for it.
	They kind of all piled on him and said, used him so that we can go avoid any attention in that way because there's a lot of depravity.
	So that's possible.
	And then you think back like, holy crap, most people don't necessarily fully appreciate the scope of Roman Polanski and all of the degeneracy.
	It's been there forever.
	People don't fully comprehend the crazy things that go on in Hollywood on a movie set.
	And yeah, it's...
	Well, hold on.
	I didn't want to ask you before, but now we've gone full circle.
	Can you share any particularly traumatizing, revelatory experience that you had in Hollywood that might confirm my bias?
	Or contradicting, because I have an open mind.
	I was never...
	I was never...
	I never had any...
	A producer...
	Make sexual advances on you for success.
	I don't think...
	I was a little...
	I don't...
	I shouldn't even talk about it.
	I don't think.
	I was tipsy one night in New York, but I think he was waiting for an escort.
	I don't know what he was.
	I don't think that would count.
	It was more things like, I worked for this lady, a talent manager.
	I don't know if she's still active in New York.
	It was just exploitive.
	She told me, oh, let me give you an internship in New York.
	You're going to come spend the summer in New York.
	It was unpaid.
	So I moved to a dorm, an NYU dorm, for the summer.
	And then she would just be so rude.
	And I would show up because I was trained.
	Show up early, 10 minutes early.
	She would say, I told you to be here at 2, not 1.45.
	Stand outside.
	And I'd be like, what?
	Stuff like that.
	And then she would say, I don't think I'm going to need an intern.
	So I was like, I just moved to New York to work for you for free.
	It's just...
	And then she even took it for it.
	There's things like that, that it's just the state of character.
	It's like, how are you, how do you sleep at night?
	Some of the business practices as well.
	Just the Hollywood accounting and the way that they rip off independent filmmakers with distribution deals, knowing that they're blatantly ripping them off.
	And it's just common.
	It's accepted.
	Like, yep, it's Hollywood account.
	There's slang for it.
	There's terminology for it, Hollywood accounting.
	The drugs and sexual depravity is as prevalent as anybody thinks?
	Yeah.
	I knew...
	Well, this is going back, so no one can identify this person.
	Someone in the investment banking world.
	And it's like that movie, Wolf of Wall Street.
	I mean, maybe not with the midget tossing, but it was...
	I never did anything people.
	We used to play squash together, but the stories I would get...
	Wild.
	Could never survive one minute in there.
	I think I would feel dirty just inhaling the same air.
	I was a 22-year-old kid when I was in New York doing that.
	Let me bring this up here because I think we have a few.
	There's more comments here.
	Let me see here.
	Where did it go?
	Universities were once institutions to teach you how to think for yourself.
	Then they were shifted to make a corporate workforce.
	Now it's a weapon for the liberal left.
	They've infiltrated the corporations.
	And we got Joe Maskey says, "A thought experiment for you.
	What is untrue about the fiction that is Shakespeare's Warren, I'm going to field this one to you because I don't think I can possibly answer it.
	Can you read that one again?
	Yeah, what is the fiction?
	What is untrue about the fiction that is Shakespeare's works?
	I don't think anybody would say it's fiction.
	I thought they would say it's...
	I think it goes back to the archetypes.
	Tapping into...
	There's this saying that all stories have been told before.
	And some even say that Shakespeare was able to tap into all those stories at one point and they were all just retelling his stories.
	The fiction...
	Because all of Shakespeare...
	That was all fictional, right?
	None of that was...
	Well, I mean, based on real characters, I think the issue about The Merchant of Venice was that it was maybe too accurately based on real roles at the time, and it since became politically incorrect.
	I don't know, honestly.
	I don't know if I can give a very good answer to that, but I just think that he was tapping into those very structures, those archetypical structures and the heroes, not even the heroes, but the fear of...
	The betrayal and the blood that cannot wash from our hands and the fear of sin.
	It goes back to the whole question about God.
	Even if you don't believe in God, if you say you don't believe in God, why do you fear hell in some sense still?
	The blood that won't wash from your hands.
	These are all just...
	Do you remember, was the punchline of the Merchant of Venice that they argued that you could get the pound of flesh but you can't get any blood or anything else with it?
	I'm not sure.
	Okay, because I've always been thinking of the retort to that would have been the pound of flesh necessarily implies blood and all the other stuff so you can go grab it.
	There's another question here.
	Hold on, let me bring this one up.
	And this is from a familiar face, Arkansas crime attorney.
	Well, your YouTube channel has grown during this conversation.
	You just topped 14,000 subscribers.
	Oh, thank you.
	You are also on Rumble, right?
	Because I didn't share that.
	I just set it up on Friday and it's got one video and then a Piers Morgan interview that happened.
	That'll do good.
	Send me the link afterwards.
	I'll put it in the pinned comment.
	Ginger Ninja.
	Actually, I want to also add this to the Nazi hypothetical.
	Your Nazi hypothetical.
	The few locals that did push back and fight back.
	There was one demographic that was wildly overrepresented in that group, religious people.
	Part two, religious people don't easily bow to man's dictates.
	Yes, because they have a higher priority.
	They're not as afraid of death.
	If there is nothing after life, then you're going to fear death above all, and then you're more likely to do what you have to do to survive, and you will fall in line.
	And when they come, yeah, you'll become a Nazi to survive if you have to.
	Yeah.
	It makes sense.
	It's logical.
	Yeah, well, and then there's, well, then there's the flip side.
	Not to be a Nazi.
	I just mean like why you would, if you would be more likely to resist if you believed in, though I'm sure there was good people that didn't believe in God that had the bravery to not and the wisdom.
	The push is everybody always says, you know, like, I wouldn't be a Nazi or I wouldn't be a Nazi.
	And then some people will say, well, what are you going to do to survive?
	You're either going to fight to the death.
	Or you're going to fall in line.
	Or you're going to kill.
	And it's the thing that I struggle with.
	I'll fight to a point, but if survival...
	Just taking it to a reductive...
	Survival means I have to just walk around killing babies.
	I'll probably prefer to die in that universe.
	It was also done in such...
	They knew it was done in such a methodical way that they often didn't realize what they were...
	It was done incrementally.
	So it's easier to become evil.
	It's easier to fall into the practices of Hollywood if it's one step at a time and you see everyone else doing it and you're ordered to do it.
	I forget what they would do.
	They would desensitize it.
	They would bring them all out.
	Call it political grooming.
	It's get you conditioned each step at a time.
	We've lived through it now.
	Now that I've lived through it.
	I remember sitting there, and people have heard this anecdote, but with my dad in March 2020, April 2020, I'm like, "Holy crap, everyone's gone crazy." And that was just the beginning of it.
	And then three years later, people are like, "Wash your hands five times and wear two masks," because they've been conditioned step by step.
	Had you asked them three years earlier, "Could you ever foresee yourself wearing two masks outside?" They'd say, "No, of course not.
	I'm not crazy." Yeah, which is why it's so important that we have first principles and we recognize those.
	For me...
	For me, there are certain lines, this is how I would describe it, there are certain lines philosophically I think we should not cross, such as racism.
	I think everyone should be treated equally regardless of race, gender, sexuality, religion, and no exceptions.
	Are to be made, not on a case-by-case basis, regardless of how noble the intentions are.
	And often I can understand the nobility of the other side's intentions.
	It's easy to step in and say, why can't you just...
	Let's take an example.
	Jordan Peterson refusing to use...
	And as a Canadian, I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this.
	Was it Bill C...
	16, back in the day.
	Well, why is that such a big deal?
	Why can't you just do this one thing?
	It's just a small thing because it's crossing a line that I won't cross because I understand it's a slippery slope once you do cross that line at any capacity and the long-term ramifications.
	Or what we're talking about in the Nazi scenario, which sounds crazy, but that is incrementally how it occurs.
	Well, the also fascinating thing is the way the language gets abused, where you say, I will treat everyone equally, and I believe in it, you know, everyone equally without exceptions.
	People are going to say, well, by treating everyone equally, you're not treating everyone equally.
	By treating everyone equally, you're actually committing generational injustice.
	It's the amazing thing of weaponizing words to actually have the opposite meanings.
	But the Bill C-16, I was wet behind the ears back in the day.
	Jordan Peterson was saying, look, it's going to go from this to compelled speech.
	Back in the day, well, actually, that particular amendment was adding, as aggravating factors, among other things, aggravating factors to certain crimes, gender expression.
	And then Peterson's like, well, this is going to result in compelled speech.
	And I said at the time, you know, we're not there yet.
	There is the expression, bad cases make for bad law, but we have a court system.
	I've now since come to learn what the court system will do.
	Push comes to shove.
	But yeah, I've reached my threshold on that.
	At one point, it was like, yeah.
	Okay, you want me to call you?
	If I don't know you're a he or a she, like, there's a few people, if I genuinely don't know or thought, Blair White, who's a, I think she says, transsexual now, and people say, well, why do you call Blair she?
	I thought Blair was a woman before I knew that she was a transsexual.
	And so that stuck with me.
	This other person, Buck Angel, on Twitter, I thought he was a man before I found out he was transsexual.
	So when it's something that doesn't shock my own reason, observational reality.
	It's not much of an issue when it comes to...
	But then I discovered it was a question of subjugation.
	Ideological subjugation.
	Do it and be subservient to my demands on you.
	And then that's when I stopped playing the game.
	But this type of discussion can get you into trouble.
	So I don't want to...
	I don't want to...
	I don't want to put you in more hot water than you might...
	You're not in there now.
	You should be an asset, by the way, to any university, especially the one that you're at.
	And anybody who doesn't see that is blind.
	Period.
	Warren, are you watching the Super Bowl this afternoon?
	I'm going to see if I can find it online.
	Is it playing anywhere online for free?
	I don't know.
	The only reason I ever watch it is for the commercials.
	Me too.
	And I'll spend time with my best friend and his parents in Canada, but I'll spend it with my parents here.
	If I can find it, I'll watch it and turn it on.
	The game is a game.
	I'm thinking of maybe...
	I'm not going to gamble.
	That would open a door.
	Who's doing the half...
	I'm this chair.
	I would have said Taylor Swift, but I have no idea.
	Hold on.
	Super Bowl halftime show.
	Super Bowl halftime show.
	Who's performing at the 2024?
	The full list of the singer.
	Come on.
	It looks like this guy.
	Hold on.
	Let me share a screen here.
	I don't know who he is.
	Who's performing at the Super Bowl?
	Who's performing the Super Bowl?
	Get all of this crap out of here.
	Usher!
	Okay, Usher.
	Usher, okay.
	Okay, I don't know.
	I couldn't name a song from Usher offhand.
	Warren, what I actually am very relieved about is that you're actually wiser than...
	You should not become the Bart Simpson, I didn't do it boy, and it's not going to be your curse to be known for the one thing because...
	You are, in fact, it's clearly not a one-off and it's clearly something deeper within you.
	You're actually a very, very smart and awesome person.
	Oh, thank you.
	I don't mean that in a judgmental way.
	I really appreciate that.
	An hour and a half when you get to know somebody and it's not a fluke, it's not something that's out.
	It was not just a lightning in a bottle type event.
	It's amazing.
	I think you have a talent, you have a skill, you have a demeanor, a composure that is invaluable.
	And I say that because any university that doesn't appreciate that...
	Is blind.
	Now...
	Thank you.
	Sticker...
	Oh, hold on a second.
	There might...
	Okay, sorry, sorry.
	I don't want to keep you for too long.
	I just want to...
	I'll bring this up because there's more questions, I think.
	And then I'm going to get to the questions in our vivabarneslaw.locals.com community.
	Joe Maskew, in the re-Shakespeare truth question, I would caution you to judge a factual story.
	SOF.
	I don't know what that means.
	I don't know what that means.
	Any differently from a fictional story value-wise.
	No, I don't think anybody would do that anyhow.
	All stories serve as proving grounds for moralities.
	This is Joe Maskew.
	Mighty Megatron.
	This is for Warren Smith.
	Does he agree with the...
	You don't have to answer, Warren, because we don't want to get you in trouble.
	Do you agree with, quote, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of the patriots and tyrants.
	Thomas Jefferson.
	We'll just move on.
	It depends on the circumstances, but...
	I don't think it's a matter of if I agree with it.
	I mean, who knows what could happen in the future?
	Yes, in the Revolutionary War, it was necessary.
	I think you could say that accurately.
	In as much as expressions evolve contextually, the spilling of the blood of the tyrants, I'm not trying to be overly pretentious.
	It doesn't necessarily adapt it in the future and mean real blood.
	It might just mean, I say spiritual or...
	Ideological.
	But at some point, there has to be a cleansing of the ideology that is corrupting the system.
	I see what you mean.
	Yes, I wouldn't say that we have a...
	We're not in a position where we have a tyrant now who needs to have their blood spilled, is how I would respond.
	We are in a position where there have been institutions infiltrated and violence won't be the answer, but some sort of ideological...
	Upgrade.
	Yeah, we don't want civil war.
	We do not want civil war.
	Cleansing is also a bad word.
	We can't use, or you can't, it carries a lot of weight.
	What do we got here?
	Arkansas climate.
	Okay, we got that one.
	A thought experiment.
	Okay, we got that.
	Universities were once institutions.
	We got that.
	This is for Winsmith.
	Okay, and then let me bring this out and see if there's anything in our Viva Barnes law that I didn't get to, and then we're going to...
	I'm going to go see what trouble that kid's been getting into.
	We got a dart gun.
	Not a dart gun, a Nerf gun.
	It shoots 120 feet.
	And it hurts.
	There's like the short ones.
	But we're going to go have fun with that.
	Okay, refresh this.
	USA Now says, Comment les gens ont-ils pu être aussi naïfs?
	And this is...
	Okay, this is classic.
	You don't speak French, Warren, by any chance?
	No.
	Okay, so hold on.
	Am I going to be able to bring this one up?
	This is fantastic.
	I'll translate it, but...
	Here.
	This is a meme from our community.
	It's a guy reading Germany 1933-1945.
	He says, how could people have been so naive?
	And he's wearing a mask and the visor.
	And that is poignant.
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	Jeanette Victoria says, Correct.
	I am a committed Christian.
	I will have to share what the LGBT bullies did to my photography business with Lawfare.
	Oh, Jeanette, we're going to talk about that.
	Mighty Pess says, I was speaking with someone who teaches at Harvard.
	Everyone is almost being compelled to discuss and be pro-Palestine.
	We're not going to get into this now at all, but this person is Jewish and afraid to be fired if they disagree.
	Even students are demanding this from professors.
	Does he see a way out of the university compelled thought?
	I guess you can answer that last part.
	Open dialogue.
	I think there are good professors out there who are too afraid to speak.
	When you're in that environment, you can understand it.
	You can feel it.
	I was at Emerson.
	I was afraid to...
	When I was told...
	To sit there for three hours during a class when we were discussing these protests, calling Emerson racist.
	And I was told, along with two other white students, that we couldn't speak because of the color of our skin.
	I was thinking, well, that fundamentally crosses that line I mentioned earlier, about everyone should be treated the same, regardless of the race.
	But I couldn't say anything because then your classmates would ostracize you.
	Then you have to make your thesis project and no one will work with you.
	The solution is not easy.
	It's not easy, but it's going to come from having dialogue, having conversation, not being afraid, standing up and saying that...
	It's going to start by not casting insults such as woke-isms and generalizations, but getting specific about truths that can actually be dismantled using logic.
	That's the only way to do it, is to get specific.
	Don't be afraid to.
	Let me just Google something here.
	Logic, white supremacy.
	Is that one on the list?
	I'm not sure if logic made the list of...
	But no, the whole point is at some point, like even the logic becomes the problem.
	I say on the one hand, obviously open dialogue and obviously having professors and teachers that are courageous to stand against the fray.
	But the bottom line, you know, like Kill Bill 2. F him with your, what did he say?
	F him with your cash?
	At some point, these universities are going to understand they need to retain the intellectual talent and not the intellectual demagogues, and it's going to hurt them financially.
	And when it does, then they'll- Yes, financially.
	It's the competitive market that's going to hit their pocketbooks, and that's when they're going to, having competitors like PragerU, things like you were talking about.
	Absolutely.
	And then we got Passion Moyer says, Warren, my observations are that the hardest step is to ignore the voices around you.
	Thanks for addressing that.
	And then, Viva, enjoy the Super Bowl.
	I'm just going to enjoy seeing my parents.
	Viva, not to belabor the point, but SOF is sound of freedom.
	Okay, Joe, I'm going to ask you.
	All right, this has been amazing, Warren.
	And thank you for doing it and not being, I mean, I'm afraid that you did it because it's, yeah, the world is crazy and people lash out, backlash, cancel, whatever.
	So thank you for agreeing to this.
	Everyone and your university, wherever it is you teach, they have to appreciate that you're an asset and that the world needs more teachers and people who will treat students like intellectual equals in a way.
	I agree.
	So stick around.
	We'll say our proper goodbyes.
	Everyone else out there, I might get in the car and do a car vlog this afternoon because I don't know if you heard, they're trying to bypass the confirmation hearings, Senate hearings, or confirmation hearings for that guy, John Podesta.
	So I might just refresh everybody's memories as to why people need to ask John some questions.
	But Warren, stick around.
	We'll say our proper advice.
	Everyone else out there, enjoy Super Bowl Sunday.
	Thank you.
	Enjoy.

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