Live with John Burk: Veteran, Constitutionalist, Podcaster! DeSantis, Trump, 2024 & BEYOND!
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We have basically a liberal heckler who snuck in here today.
These newspapers and the media are totally dishonest people, folks.
I always remember them.
Contrary to the false and dishonest reporting of the liberal media.
Yeah, I think the media's the opposition party in many ways.
I think CP should stop acting as the communications arm of the PMO.
You know, when I look at the media, how one-sided it is, how biased it is.
Well, first of all, your question was typical of CBC, biased again.
You are attacking our new people.
I just want everybody to appreciate what we're looking at right now.
This is a tweet video that the Liberal Party put out.
Yesterday, January 9, they put out a video criticizing how Trump and Pierre Poiliev mistreat state propaganda.
It's a very convenient time for them to put this video up because you may or may not recall...
Shortly, uh, before that video, you had Justin Trudeau's, um, Gestapo.
Why is your government supporting Islamo-National?
What?
You've been me.
What?
You've been me.
What are you doing?
You're under arrest for assault.
You pushed into me.
You pushed into me.
I was just...
I've got my credentials here and you just bumped into me.
So excuse me.
You're under arrest.
Okay.
So just to appreciate everybody, the Liberal Party puts out a video trying to demonize Trump and Pierre Poilievre for their treatment of state-funded propaganda, the media.
The day after Justin Trudeau's RCMP, I don't know, I think it was RCMP, falsely imprisons, bogusly arrests.
A member of Rebel News Media.
It is DARVO.
It's what narcissist abusers do.
Deny DARVO.
Deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.
It's what narcissists and abusive people do, and you've got to watch out for it, and it's what's going on right now.
Okay, people, let me just make sure that we're live across all of the interwebs on which we stream.
I tried to put out a stream in advance of this livestream, a vlog in advance of this livestream, so I could link to John Burke's info.
I got the vlog out, but I accidentally uploaded it straight to YouTube with the date or the number of the video, and that'll kill it.
But it's on Rumble, and it's about Fanny Willis and her new boyfriend billing up the Fanny.
Okay.
Are we live on Rumble on VivaBarnsLaw just before we get into this?
Let me see here.
Enter the stream.
We are live.
Okay, good.
We are live.
All right.
Now, John Burke.
I'm interested to see how much of our respective audiences overlap.
I ran into John at the RNC debate.
I want to say it was the fourth.
I think it was the fourth.
It was the one in Tuscaloosa where I drove up with my kid from...
Basically Miami to Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
Stopped along the way at Allison Morrow.
If you don't know her, check her out.
And it was amazing.
We met there, and we talked, and we got along, and he's a cool guy.
And with all of this, I feel guilty that I'm partaking, or at least I'm facilitating it.
The infighting between the DeSantis supporters, Team DeSantis, hashtag Team DeSantis, and hashtag Team Trump.
I've had enough of it.
And I know where John Burke lies, I would say, politically at least on this issue, and I think we're going to have a good discussion.
Mr. Burke, are you ready to come in for the battle?
Yeah, he's ready.
Okay, we're bringing him in.
Add to stage, sir.
How goes the battle?
Viva, you ignorant slut.
You beat me, too.
I was going to ask you the first question.
Why are DeSantis supporters so annoying?
I thought you were going for the bathroom, bro.
As soon as you started this thing, you're like, are you in a bathroom?
How?
It was 30 minutes ago.
You looked like Hugh Hefner a little bit.
It was buttoned up.
That's red.
That's red with the velvet.
This is different.
Actually, I'm burning alive now.
I got it in Valencia.
It's just a really nice sweater.
It wasn't expensive.
What's Valencia?
That's a town in Portugal.
Oh, okay, fine, fine, fine.
I was thinking of, like, Balenciaga.
Oh, the business!
No, I'm sorry.
Balenciaga is in Spain.
Balenciaga is in Spain.
Excuse me.
No, I just...
I went for the holidays.
We went to...
I like to travel over the holidays.
So we went to Portugal and Spain.
I love taking in other people's cultures because I find that...
Dude, it's so eye-opening.
And I love getting to see...
Different people's ways of life.
And in Europe especially, everything is just so chill.
It's so relaxed.
Americans, I mean, you're Canadian.
I'm not sure how that translates into Canada versus America.
But in American culture, we are so just go, go, go, go.
But over in Europe, I mean, their thing is like they go to a cafe, they order a coffee, they sit down, they talk to people, they relax, they people watch.
There is not the just incessant go, go, go that is American culture.
And I love that.
I love that.
Did you go to Paris this time around?
I was there last year.
We flew into Paris.
We spent Christmas in Paris, and one thing I've learned is that, and I was stationed in Europe when I was in the Army, and I forgot about this, but during the holidays, everything is closed.
Europe is not Amazon Prime era like America.
Europe is, like, they actually take pride in being with their families, and they do that, and I like that.
So we spent Christmas in Paris, and then we went up to...
Oh, God, we went from Paris to Edinburgh.
We spent New Year's there.
And then in between that, we hit London.
I got to go visit Shakespeare's Globe Theater and see Henry V, one of my favorite plays.
And it was, dude, it's such, and I've been to Paris before, but I never got to go to the Louvre.
And if you've never been to the Louvre, it takes days.
It's too big for one day.
It's too big for four.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
I walk in, there's like, all right, let's see what this is about.
Oh, like this is huge.
Huge.
It's a huge.
But now hold on one second.
You say you go to Spain.
I still have trauma from what my mother said to me as a kid.
She said, in Spain, when we were kids, they mug you with syringes that are filled.
They say it's filled with HIV blood.
And if you don't give me your luggage, they're going to stab you.
I remember these stories from childhood.
Well, I'm still getting the, you know, I've been...
I was really trying to get a joke out of that one, but I got nothing.
No, I mean, it's like any place you go, dude.
It depends on where you visit.
Stay out of the back alleys.
Don't try and, you know, go visit these establishments that aren't well lit.
You know, just be a common sense smart traveler.
I lived in Paris in 99 to 2000, and I said then, I did a year exchange from McGill, and I said then, I'll probably never go back to the country because even then, this is 25 years ago, they were having the problems that they're having today, but...
Today it's on steroids.
Went back in 2015 to do a marathon up in one of the mountains.
And we went to Paris.
I said, bro, that's awesome.
Good for you.
I used to do marathons.
Good for you.
Yeah, it was part of the Sky Series.
It was a marathon in Mont Blanc.
And then, oh, it was totally cool.
The day we get there, I discover they have a, it's called the Kilometre Vertical.
It's a vertical kilometer.
So it's like a three kilometer race where you ascend a kilometer.
This sounds like some BDSM stuff at this point.
Like you're just willfully, it's bad enough just running a marathon.
Now you're adding in clients.
It's like, what's wrong with you?
This was the day before.
And I was like, I've never heard of this thing.
Before the marathon?
Yeah.
And so I wanted to do this race because it's like one of a kind.
And I get there and they're like, no, dude, this has been filled up for nine months.
And I said, surely someone did not come in.
Like someone's ticket is open.
And then I met someone who liked me.
They let me do it.
I made a video about it.
This is back.
I would love to see that.
Hey, bro, that's awesome.
Traveling to do or pursue things.
I do tango as well.
So we're going to Istanbul in March.
There's a massive tango festival there.
It's the, like, when you think of, like, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, it'd be like the Gracies teaching somewhere.
And I know that sounds gay as hell, but I don't care because it's just, I love tango.
I was going to get to the joke that sooner than later, what's the type of dancing?
I beat you to it.
Yeah, I know.
I wasn't going to call it tango.
What is the type of dancing that you do?
Argentinian tango.
What's another word for that type of dance?
I feel like you're leading me into a punchline here.
No, no, no.
The word will come back to me.
John, we've gotten fairly into this before anybody on my end who doesn't know who you are gets the elevator pitch of who you are.
John, who are you?
Oh, God.
We're going deep that quick, huh?
That's what she said.
We're going 30,000, then we're going deep.
This is why I wanted to have this discussion.
Okay, I'm taking this off now because it's hot as balls.
This thing works.
It was flamenco.
It was flamenco dancing.
Flamenco, yes.
Flamenco is different, though.
That's Spain.
You're thinking Spanish.
This is Argentinian.
So when you look at the history of, say, for example, flamenco, it's not...
Tango's only been around for 150 years.
Tango is a byproduct of ballroom dancing.
The rich elites did ballroom.
The peasant class did tango.
And tango was literally birthed by guys dancing with other guys outside of brothels waiting to get in line to get laid.
I am not making this up.
I swear you can go look this up.
You can go look this up.
And being that tango was so prevalent...
There were so many guys and not enough women, so women had their pick of the litter.
They could say, I'm going to dance with this guy because he's good.
So men had to get very competitive to dance with the beautiful women.
So tango at core is a lot about how life is, especially relationships.
It does take two to tango.
There has to be a lead.
There has to be a follower.
Women can lead too.
I've seen men dance with men, women dance with women.
It's really up to you.
It goes back from, again, the origins of tango, but flamenco.
That's a true Spanish, and that's way older than tango.
So, there you go.
Okay, and now the tango dance, it is tango, that I've seen you doing on Twitter, is with your significant other.
That's my fiancée, Sheila, yeah.
Okay, and I met her...
You did, yeah.
You met Sheila there.
I didn't know who you were.
I'm stepping up to the Rumble booth to go do my spiel, and then I see this, like, fray hair, and it's like, oh, I thought it was black!
I swear to God, dude, I saw your logo, and for some reason, I'm thinking you're black.
And then I see you, and I was like, is that the same guy?
And I was like, oh, okay, okay.
This was an internal discussion we had at Team Viva.
When we launched that, it's like, am I going to get accused of blackface in that episode?
No, no, no.
I said, I don't care at a given point.
I'm not even going to have these thoughts in my head.
No, dude.
No, no.
That's on me because it's a blackface with the glasses, but it's just the logo.
You're not doing blackface.
But no, I'll say this right off the bat.
I don't consume other people's content, and it's not because I don't like it.
I will go to certain people's channels to see what they have to say about an issue.
I have watched yours since I've met you, and it's horseshoe theory with you and I, as with, I think...
Many of the people out there, we agree on, I'd say like 95% of most things, but there are some minor things that we do disagree on.
But I also feel like that's why the media tries to capitalize on that, to drive even further wedges.
Because honestly, they're not politically oriented.
What they're focusing on is ad rev. And as long as they can keep the divide, as long as politicians can keep us arguing over that 5%, well then there's a need for politicians.
There's a much stronger need for that.
But you're a Trump guy, I'm a DeSantis guy, so a little bit about who I am.
I'm a constitutionalist to bet, Ben.
You're not going to find me defending DeSantis when I don't agree with him.
You're not going to find me defending Trump blindly.
I refuse to do it.
I used to be.
I voted for Trump twice.
I used to do that.
But I feel like if you're just honest with yourself, if you're honest with your audience, and you say, look, we don't have to assume the political identities of those that we're voting for.
We can still stand true for true constitutional values.
And when DeSantis says something I don't agree with, I'll be the first one to tell you.
I don't care if people don't follow me.
I genuinely don't care.
I'm on an Instagram tirade right now.
I tell people, this is where I stand, and it's the founding document.
It's the Constitution.
And if DeSantis sways from it, he loses my support.
Trump's veered from it.
I can't support Trump.
I just actually want to go back to one thing where you said, you mentioned it to me in person, where you don't consume other people's content.
For those who are not in the realm, it's an interesting thing.
I had never thought of it that way before.
You don't want to get influenced by what other people think.
And so when you end up watching, I don't know, say any given one...
There's a certain part of you that is going to absorb that.
Like smart dudes like yourself, it's easily, I could easily watch your stuff like, oh yeah, no, I agree with this, but do I really agree with it?
But it's good to have these conversations though, because I like the fact that number one, you're not stupid.
You don't make it as far as you do and be intellectually stupid.
I mean, you know what you're doing.
So when I have these types of discussions, you can ask Sheila, like I told her this morning, the gym was like, I'm a little anxious about this discussion.
Is that because...
This guy is not an idiot.
He is going to make me question what I believe and why I believe it.
But I've done that, and it's like, I feel like we see things differently on some things.
Does it mean I hate you?
It's like, that's why you're an ignorant slut, and I hate you, and I want you dead.
I mean, no, it doesn't mean that at all.
Not a lot of people get that reference, by the way.
Not a lot of people watched SNL back when it was funny.
That's like the late 70s, early 80s.
First of all, how old are you?
Oh, bro, I'm only 39. I know, you're young, okay.
That goes to prove, though, that great comedy that has not been influenced by this woke Marxist nonsense transcends time.
Because it's funny.
It's funny.
We should laugh at this.
Absolutely.
I mean, the greatest of SNLs, for those who are on DVDs or remember even VHSs, it's the funniest stuff of all time.
Who was your favorite?
Well, I mean, I'd say Adam Sandler, but that's just because I'm a little partial.
But Chevy Chase was one of the greats.
Okay, you see, I don't know, man.
Like, I thought Chevy Chase's comedy is a lot like Bill Murray's.
It definitely has its own niche, but I don't think it's enough to kind of, like, have this nucleus to build around.
Like, I liked the Chris Farley's, but I guess that's maybe because I'm more animated comedy.
But they were still great.
They were still great.
Don't get me wrong.
I thought you mentioned it because I love Bill Murray as well.
I think I've really not liked anything Bill Murray has done, maybe except for the Ghostbusters 4. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He allowed himself to get killed in that movie.
He got killed?
I didn't watch it, dude.
I can't watch the nonsense.
Speaking of that, did you see the new Napoleon?
Napoleon the movie or Napoleon Dynamite?
The movie.
Oh, God, I wish.
No, no, the new movie.
No, I haven't seen it.
I watched it last night, and I was telling...
It's not what I thought it would be.
You've got a great director.
I thought Napoleon was going to kind of take on this approach of looking into the history of Napoleon because some people view this guy as a tyrannical dictator.
Other people view him as a freedom fighter.
So when you look at his positioning throughout the French Revolution and thereafter, it definitely calls into question of what is tyrannical and what is actual freedom fighting.
But this was a love story, and it wasn't a very good love story.
It jumped.
Like, bro, it jumped.
Years!
In, like, just quick segments.
I'm like, we've missed a lot here.
This is Ridley Scott, right?
It's his latest movie?
Yeah.
What did he do?
Who did The Gladiator?
Oh, God.
The chat will get it before we can get it.
Yeah, I don't know.
Now, I think I know this answer, but based on your accent, you are from New York, New Jersey, right?
No, I'm from Texas, bro.
Really?
Nobody can pin me down.
Okay, born and raised in Texas.
Born and raised in Texas, and I'll tell you why, because I used to have that accent, but when I served in the military, I was in the infantry, and I recognized that when you're enlisted and you've got to deal with officers, officers are all graduates of some type of, whether they be West Pointers, Ivy Leaguers, or Community College, it doesn't matter.
What resonates with them is when you sound and you sound intelligent and you can articulate your points without sounding like a trailer park redneck.
That's one thing I learned that you've got to be able to do that to speak their lingo for them to actually listen to anything you have to say, even though the things that you're saying make freaking sense because it's through experience.
But yeah, but no, I grew up, I did spend summers up in New York with my family.
Okay, so born and raised in Texas, what did your parents do?
Mom was a daycare provider.
She still is.
Dad, he was an Air Force veteran.
And then he worked for Boeing, truck driving.
I didn't really know my father very well.
He left when I was like five.
So I was the latchkey kid generation to where, you know, you come home from school and your mom would say, you know, latch the door till I get home from work on my second job.
So my mom definitely worked to put food on the table.
I respect her for that.
But it was a broken home.
Very, very, very broken home.
How many siblings?
Just one.
My older brother.
So one older brother, parents get divorced at a young age.
Do you have any recollection or any memories of the nature of the relationship before the divorce or none whatsoever?
Oh, just not happy.
I feel like we're on the couch with Frey.
Do you know who Tyler Fisher is, the stand-up comic?
He does an amazing Jordan Peterson accent.
He's on Twitter.
Oh, Jordan Peterson.
Holy crap.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Listen to this.
Let me hear your opinion on this one.
I'm going to close my eyes.
So it's a lot like lobsters.
You're out there, and you've got to be an alpha male.
So that's what we're doing here.
That's Jordan Peterson.
It's not terrible, and you actually have some of the demeanor of Ty Fisher as well.
Ty Fisher does.
I would say that's intentional, but yeah, we both know it's not now.
I kind of do all this stuff, Viva.
I'm all about the freedom.
Just mention some oil on your channel.
I'm going to invade it for freedom, baby.
Look out, Dick's got a gun.
The chat says pretty good.
Thank you.
And then one person says, man.
So your dad was in the military.
Yeah, Air Force.
You grow up...
I mean, look, childhood in Texas.
We're not going to spend an hour on this.
Oh, it's fine.
It's fine, brother.
What do you study and how do you end up in the military?
Oh, man.
From a young age, I'd always wanted to be a soldier.
I think, you know, it was like that proverbial rite of passage into becoming a man.
You know, the young boy wants to, you know, my father would take me to the Blue Angels air shows.
I'd see the Vietnam traveling, what would you call them, the static displays.
I'd see the punji pits, the dog tags, the M16s, the helmets, the grenades.
It's like, yeah, it's like freedom.
And it definitely signifies in my...
My short 40 years, how I used to believe that.
I've changed my tune because I did, like I said, I did 13 years in the military.
I did four and a half years in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I served in the worst places imaginable.
And I'm one of those veterans that looks back and I feel lied to by the government.
I feel lied to as the fact of saying there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Do I think what Saddam was doing was horrendous?
Absolutely.
But if I was to rewind and say, wait a minute, but that's not our business.
That's why I'm more of a libertarian these days.
I don't like having a strong foreign policy in the sense of getting involved, where democracy is supposed to be at stake.
We saw that with Vietnam.
We were lied to by the government by saying there was a spread of communism, which it was, but that's not our business.
But ultimately, man, I felt like I wanted to join the army to, number one, get away from home.
I had a very broken childhood, and I was raised by the army.
And now, since I've gotten out since 2016...
I've had to kind of explore more as to who it is that I am.
Because when you're 17, man, you are still impressionable.
How old are you?
Going to be 45. So yeah, you know.
When you hit your 30s, you really hit the stride of like, who the hell am I?
You really start asking if you have any cognizant abilities.
But that's what I've kind of felt like I've been on this journey outside of the military because at 17 years old.
It's very easy to become brainwashed when you surround yourself in an echo chamber.
And I'm not condemning the military.
I would do it again.
That is the purpose of training.
It's to remove the individual identity and make for groupthink in the military.
You have to dehumanize your enemy.
Absolutely.
You get in at 17 and you do 13 years.
Is that 13 years full-time?
Yeah.
It wasn't part-time, man.
13 years.
So you're turning 30. And I'm not saying this with any...
No, no, no, bro.
You're not going to offend me.
Go ahead.
I'm not like that.
You've never had a job outside of the military.
So let me back up on that one.
I was...
I don't think I was 30. I think I was like, well, maybe...
Okay, maybe you're right because I didn't have a year and a half break.
Yeah, 28, 29. But no, you're right.
I never had a job.
Well, I did have a year and a half break in service.
So I did hold civilian jobs, but I...
I continuously got fired, but not for the reasons that you think.
The reasons were kind of like the mission came first.
So I worked for a railroad company that does stenciling on the side of train cars and welding.
And back then, and still even more so today, like OSHA was like draconian, like the Nazism of OSHA.
For example, what got me fired was I would, instead of like unfold a ladder and set it beside a train car to walk up the side to put the decal on, I just lean it against the train car and walk up.
They'd fire me.
And I was just like, okay.
It makes sense.
I get it.
But for me, it was kind of like, this stencil's got to get done.
Whatever.
But no, I couldn't really hold jobs because I did have a massive sense of entitlement.
I'll admit that.
I mean, my God, dude, you take a boy from 17 years old and you throw him into a year and a half tour in Iraq where he's shooting dudes, seeing his brothers getting killed, and then he comes out and you say, well, go be normal now.
And it's very difficult not to walk away with some sort of...
The personalities or the characteristics are numerous.
I mean, sense of entitlement to think that you know how the world works.
Even at a young age, you still don't.
You've seen how bad the world can be, but you still don't get how the overall world works.
So there was a lot that went into my childhood that has, I think, helped me make better choices as a man, as a business owner now.
And I'm sorry, I don't mean to be hogging all the conversation here.
I do apologize for that.
First of all, don't worry.
I'm starting crying over here, bro.
First of all, you're making me jealous with the Celsius.
My wife is...
I've turned off of anything with sucralose in as much as I can avoid it.
There's something called True North.
It's just caffeinated carbonated water my wife is getting.
I've never heard of this.
True North?
It's just carbonated water with caffeine.
It's fantastic.
Flavored carbonated water with caffeine, a little bit of nutrients.
What did you do in the military?
Infantry.
Everybody always wants to ask that question of cops and whatever, but you are seeing the shit of the shit.
There's no more embedded than infantry.
No, that's what I wanted, though.
Like, I felt like, because I originally went to the Marines first, and they couldn't guarantee me infantry.
They said, when you pass boot camp, you beat the needs of the Marine Corps.
And I was like, eh, no, because I don't want to go through boot camp and then be a cook.
I'm not knocking cooks.
It's not my job, though.
It's not what I wanted to do.
I wanted to actually squeeze the trigger.
And again, I was, you know, you're young.
You want to become a man.
You want to seek the approval of others.
And that's why I picked infantry.
The Army was kind of like, hey, we'll give you infantry over here.
It was like, okay.
And that's back when it was like 212 ways to be a soldier.
So it was 2001.
And bro, would you believe me if I told you I flew out of New York on 9-10?
I flew out of New York the day before.
I think I told you the story.
Yeah, you told me this in person.
The day before 9-11 of the 9-11.
Of 9-11.
I'd enlisted before.
So I was saying goodbye to my family.
And then sure enough, God's like, I got a plan for you, Burke.
You just don't know it yet.
So the world trade happened.
And I was like, wow, I guess I'm not going to a peacetime army anymore.
So it was, yeah, man, I served in places like Fallujah, Al-Najjaf, Baghdad, 17 months, our first tour.
And then I got out for a year and a half, got married, had my children.
And at a very young age, because my Southern upbringing was you get married young, you have children, you work and you die.
So, that's why I encourage people.
It's like, pump the brakes.
Live some life.
Experience who it is that you are.
Make sure this is what you want.
There is no rush.
You do not have to have children young in life unless you absolutely want it.
That's fine.
Then I got out.
I went back in.
I went to the 504th Military Intelligence Battalion at Fort Hood as an infantry guy.
They deployed me with them as a personal security guy.
So they'd go out there and run sourcing.
And so I got some behind-the-scenes look at how military intelligence operates.
Not in the aspect of, like, oh, it's such an oxymoron.
Like, I saw how the bread was made.
And it was very interesting.
It was very in-depth.
And a lot of stuff that...
I don't want to say I can't talk about it.
I just don't want to talk about it because I feel like that would give away a lot of trade secrets.
But there are things that they operate by or they do that it's like, wow, it's very alarming to see that you can do this to the enemy.
But what happens when you turn this on civilians?
And I know they do that.
So it's just one of these issues that when people think that the government is not spying, when they think the government does not have the ability to tap into your cell phone, oh, bro, they're 10 leagues ahead of you.
They're 10 leagues ahead of you.
I've never actually asked anybody this way.
You undoubtedly have one specific, distinct memory that stands out when you think of your 13 years in service.
Oh, God.
You know, no.
I'd say there's many.
And you know what's weird about that?
It's the bad ones.
You'd think, yeah, you'd think that we'd cling to the good memories.
And, you know, there are some.
There are some.
But I think a lot of them are kind of coupled with bad.
So it was the, most of them were firefights.
Like, really, really bad fights.
Like, if you've watched The Hornet's Nest, that's about us.
It's a movie that came out.
Restrepo wasn't about my unit.
It was about, and this is how crazy it is, brother.
Like, the Restrepo.
It was about this combat outpost in the Korengal Valley in Afghanistan.
It was dubbed the world's most deadliest valley.
And when Restrepo came out, I want to say this was in like 2007, 2008, and nobody really knew about Afghanistan.
Everyone knew about Iraq.
Everyone was talking about Iraq, Fallujah, Baghdad.
Afghanistan was akin to the Korean War, the Forgotten War.
Nobody really knew about it.
And then Afghanistan, really, you start seeing some casualty numbers rack up and like, wait, what's going on in Afghanistan?
So Restrepo comes out.
And I was in the 101st Airborne.
So our unit, it was the 4th Infantry Division that was currently there where Restrepo was made.
Now, Restrepo was years prior.
It was 2007, 2008.
Then 4th ID relieved them.
And then we relieved 4th ID, just to give you that so you have context from what I'm about to tell you.
Our 4th ID, people said, watch Restrepo, the documentary about the people we relieved, to see what you're walking into.
Brother, I'm not lying.
I watched that movie, and this is after three and a half years of fighting in Iraq.
I watched that movie, and I looked at my wife, and I was like, I'm scared.
I was like, I'm, this is, have you seen that scene in, um...
Oh, God.
It's so weird that we're referencing movie culture, but there's so much truth to this.
The only two war movies I can think of offhand that I've seen, Black Hawk Down, Saving Private Ryan.
We Were Soldiers?
We Were Soldiers, yes, but too long ago.
Well, there's a scene in there where they're literally, it's the hype up to the Aedrang Valley.
You see all these guys that have all this combat experience saying, this is like nothing we've ever seen.
We're walking into something we've never, ever seen before.
Like the Vietnamese, the North Vietnamese army should not be underestimated.
This is a very, very deadly enemy.
It was the same for the Taliban.
I would never disrespect the Taliban in the sense of saying, oh, there isn't.
No.
These are the generational fighters that Alexander the Great couldn't even conquer.
Napoleon.
Nobody can conquer these people.
So for Americans to walk in there with this just uppity of like, well, we're Americans.
The things that crippled Americans over there is that it was our own rules of engagement.
They're not fighting by rules.
We were literally the British redcoats in the American Revolution.
We are out there walking clear as day with uniforms on, and they're not.
So you can't fight a fair war in that manner.
And that's why I always say war isn't fair.
And until America adopts these policies of...
Getting into the dirt and saying, look, I like Patton's Third Army approach.
We're going to blitzkrieg your ass until submission, and then we'll be fair.
But after that, like what Israel's doing in Gaza, that's war.
That's exactly where I was going for two reasons, one of which is...
Talking about a generation of militants brought up literally in death, living in tunnels.
The sole purpose of life is death to kill versus Israeli soldiers who love life, love family.
And that's already sort of an imbalance on the conflict scale.
But then also hold one to standards of ethics.
I know.
Yes.
How unfair is that?
And that's why I try and make people understand.
It's like, look, when war gets put on the table.
What you need to understand is it's not rules.
This is anarchy.
This is chaos.
That's what war truly is.
So if that's what you want, you can't pearl clutch when women and children are getting killed in the crossfire.
That's what happens.
So, and I don't want to go down the Hamas thing, but I'm just saying that war should be avoided at all costs.
It should be the last thing.
It's two things.
Actually, the idea of rules of war, where you can't shoot the parachuters or the paragliders in the sky, but you have to wait for them to touch down before you can shoot them.
Fuck that!
That's stupid!
It's like, dude, that's the enemy!
Like, shoot him!
I don't care!
Let him get in a better position to attack me so that it makes it harder for me to defend.
Oh, bro, but then you're arguing the Rommel stance, which Rommel was the same way.
The Desert Fox in World War II.
Rommel had a code, and he actually wasn't a Nazi.
Rommel was the master armored...
Like, Patton wanted to go at it with Rommel.
Patton, if you look at the history of Patton, Patton was one of those guys that he did have a code of ethics and honor on the battlefield.
When you talk about something like that, I think of, like, the English.
I think the British, like, I say we shall take the field at no later than 1,300 at three bells, open fire, and then be done for tea.
That's how they had a standard.
And it's respectable, but if I want to win...
Bro, I'm murdering you by the bushels.
That's what Patton believed in, is that we're going to grease the tread of our tanks with their intestines and we're going to murder these sons of bitches.
Rommel was different.
So it's like, which methodology do you subscribe to?
Ultimately, the victors tell the tale.
So who's going to win?
You come out of the war.
You come out of your experience feeling like you've been lied to.
And this is where I take some issue with some people online.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even with military experience pushing go to war in Ukraine, etc.
Oh, God, no, no.
I'm against the war in Ukraine.
Senator Duckworth lost both of her legs in Iraq.
Is that?
I know what you're talking about, yeah.
At one point, she puts out a tweet and, you know, it's let's go to war in Ukraine.
And I said, hey, send your kids.
Don't be a coward.
There you go.
Yeah.
And then someone says to me, she lost both of her legs in Iraq.
Let me push pause on this real quick with me.
Brother, just because you're a veteran does not mean you know what the fuck you're talking about.
So if you want to bash veterans, you have the clearance by me.
You go right the fuck ahead, dude.
No, because I've seen veterans like McCain.
I've seen veterans like Kitzinger.
It's like, what the fuck are you on about?
Like, you want to send our kids?
It's like, you just got done fighting this global war where we were lied to, and now you want to get us involved in more nonsense?
Like, that's a Putin issue.
And we can go in the rabbit hole, but I just want you to know, you're not going to offend me.
You want to criticize a veteran?
Bro, you go right the fuck ahead.
You deserve it, absolutely.
It's not criticizing a veteran in their capacity as a veteran.
It's what they say.
They don't get a pass on bad politics.
I agree.
And you want to send more people to have that happen in Ukraine.
Okay, hold on, I'm going to cough for one second.
I'm hacking stuff up too, brother.
Oh, dude, I go to Canada, I get a sinus infection.
The sinus infection is over, but I got some lingering whatever.
That's what you get for going to Canada.
I'm playing, bro.
I do want to visit Canada.
I do want to visit Canada because I've seen how beautiful it can be up there.
I feel guilty saying it.
Every time I go back, I'm nervous because I don't know if I'm going to get locked up, have a bank account frozen, whatever.
I no longer feel comfortable going back to Canada.
Well, I didn't know you covered the trucker protest.
Kudos to you, by the way, because I thought that whole thing.
And by the way, I do agree.
The thing you've been hitting on as far as the arresting of the journalist for bumping in.
I'm like, dude, that's why I say I agree with you on so much stuff out there.
It's like, no, this is fascism.
That is the very definition of fascism.
It's exactly like that.
It's the episode of The Simpsons where Krabappel was just looking for a reason to give everyone detention so she could turn them into meat pie.
I agree.
And drop the pen.
Detention.
The cop goes like this.
Arrest.
Now, but hold on.
Before we get into the thick of it, I'm ending this on YouTube.
Ending on YouTube.
Come over to Rumble.
And here's the link.
Because the first thing we're going to do...
John?
I said I'm going to try to not convince you that I'm right, but at least have the discussion on the Roger Stone.
The Roger Stone next Tuesday.
So, everybody, come on over to Rumble.
I'm ending on YouTube in 3, 2, 1. Okay.
Isn't it funny?
Because I do the same thing with YouTube.
I used to have like 300-something thousand followers, and they banned me for COVID misinformation.
Brother, when I tell you, I have never put myself in this position of, I'm the subject matter expert on COVID.
I simply said, I don't trust, I subscribe to the Milton Friedmanism style of politics of like, I wish we would abolish the FDA.
It has done far more bad than it has good.
When you look at places like England and the methods they utilize, it's far more effective as far as what medications people are allowed to and not take.
But my positioning was, let there be freedom to choose.
If you want to get the jab, get the jab.
I'm not going to knock you for it.
I don't trust the government.
We saw what they did with Agent Orange.
The burn pits in Iraq and Afghanistan are causing veterans cancer left and right.
And what do they do?
Then they come back and say, oh, we're sorry, after a generation has passed and died, and there's nobody held accountable for it.
So I see the same thing happening here, quite honestly.
That's what I hate about YouTube.
I hate the fact that you can't do that with YouTube.
You got nuked on YouTube?
Bro, I lost it all.
I had 700,000 on Facebook.
I had 300,000 on YouTube, 300-something thousand on Instagram.
I lost it all because of my principles.
I am not going to bend any.
That's why I don't agree 100% of how Rumble runs their platform, but who the fuck does?
When you own your own company, no one's ever going to agree 100% with how you run it.
But I am grateful that Rumble has this platform where we can even have this discussion because you and I can't do this on YouTube.
There is no way in hell.
I don't want to jinx it.
Like, I have my issues with YouTube.
I've gotten one ridiculous strike for medical misinformation when a doctor was telling...
I know!
I know!
I think it's been removed now because I took the online...
I took the retraining and made a video about that.
It was kind of funny.
Are you serious?
Oh, yeah.
It's called...
Basically, it's called like...
What's the word?
Not sensitizing.
You've got to go answer some questions.
Sensitivity training or whatever.
I know what you're saying.
And then they wipe your...
It's a freaking joke, and I made a video because it was so hilarious.
That's what I'm grateful for, Rumble.
I'm going to put it on YouTube afterwards, and if I have a problem, I'll have a problem.
Okay.
I just don't want you to see you get, like, my thing.
I put up one yesterday where we were talking about ivermectin and the alleged 17,000 deaths from ivermectin.
Did you read that study?
No, but, I mean, come on.
Like, really?
Ivermectin was an award-winning drug prior to that, so you're telling me?
No, I'm right there.
50 years with no incidents, and then you had 17,000.
Who created the jab, Viva?
Who created the jab?
What's even more amazing is...
They're now retroactively...
I'm sorry.
What is your first name?
David.
David.
I don't want to call you David.
Oh, no.
David Freiheit.
It means freedom in German.
No, they're going back...
I'm German as well.
Is your last name Burke?
Just like that.
The old version, yeah.
It means fortress.
Yeah.
My old ancestors were German to Ireland to here.
So between us, my last name, verbatim Freiheit, means freedom in German.
So we got the freedom for it.
No shit.
So what, yours came from Germany to Canada?
Poland.
My granddad was born in Poland.
We're all obviously Jewish and Eastern European.
Granddad was from Poland.
Bro, God bless you.
How are you holding up during these times?
Because I have never seen so much anti-Semitism.
Everybody's like, you side with the goys.
I'm siding with liberty.
I side with liberty.
It's an amazing thing.
I'm not on campus.
If I were on campus, it might be a different environment.
People call it anti-Semitism.
People are always assholes.
One way or the other.
Somebody in my memorable chapter said a Jew named David?
No way!
My son's name is David.
My son, I'm a Christian.
John, not to perpetuate any stereotypes.
Do it.
I studied law in Quebec City.
So I went from Montreal to Quebec City.
He's a Jewish lawyer!
Jesus Christ!
The stereotypes just run!
They hate themselves at this point.
It's getting better.
So I'm driving my dad's car.
I'm driving my dad's car.
It's a Mercedes 300E at the time.
I'm driving a girl back from class at the end of the day who is so naive and so ignorant to stereotypes.
She doesn't put together that David Freyheit, you know, studying law from Westmount, Quebec, might be a Jew.
And we just start talking and at one point the person says, she says, you know, like, Quebec City is very nice because we don't have any Jews here.
She didn't piece together.
I swear to you.
And I was like, she was a nice girl, a nice woman, and I knew that she was just repeating something that she heard somebody say down the line.
And so then I invite her over for dinner one day and I start showing her family videos.
And then I show her a video of the circumcision of my nephew.
Halfway shoes, she's like, Bro, you showing that video to anybody is a little alarming.
Now that you mention it, you didn't see it.
Hey, here's my nephew getting his dick chocked.
You didn't see anything in real time.
Maybe the problem wasn't her, David.
Maybe it wasn't.
No, I'm just kidding.
The circumcision debate is not one I've ever had yet.
I don't know.
I mean, I get the premise behind it.
I do.
I just feel...
Oh, man.
That's one of those...
It's one of those age-old things that we've just done.
But, I mean, I get it.
There is no...
I'm going to shut the hell up.
Let's not get sidetracked.
Let's talk about Roger Stone, goddammit.
Okay, so now, how the Roger Stone...
I'm taking shit on the internet yesterday, on Twitter at least.
To be fair, you're making a bad faith argument right from the get-go, my man.
Okay, we're going to start this.
Let's do it.
Go ahead.
The joke...
Who's going to judge?
Who's going to be...
We're not going to have a judge because your audience is going to be prevalent to you.
Mine's going to be prevalent to me.
I don't know, man.
We'll see, we'll see.
Okay, fair enough.
My crowd will tell me if they think I'm out in left field.
That's a good thing.
I can respect any person that actually has an audience.
I would hope that mine would do the same, but I can respect anybody whose audience that they've crafted and developed, they follow you for a reason.
So if they're willing to say, wait a minute, David.
It's like, I disagree with you here.
The fact that you can cultivate that type of following that feels like they can do that without you attacking them, that's a testament to you.
Good for you.
It doesn't happen very often, because more often than not, I'm right.
But I'm joking.
And there it went.
Vote for Burke.
I didn't say that.
He did.
Vote for me.
The joke started off yesterday, where I was saying that the DeSantis supporters...
I don't know if I find them particularly obnoxious on social media.
I know people do.
Then the question is whether or not I'm just not as aware of the obnoxiousness of Trump, Team Trump on the internet.
And I said, be that as it may, whenever I see a misrepresentation or some sort of MSM talking point, I go click on a profile and it's hashtag Team DeSantis.
And I don't know why that is.
We'll get into that in a second.
I agree with you on that.
Then someone said...
When I hear you complain or criticize Roger Stone for calling Casey DeSantis a quote, C-U-N-T, the word, then I'll take you seriously.
Then I'm like, holy shit, did Roger Stone actually call Casey DeSantis the C word?
And so I'm Googling it.
And okay, fine.
I come across the article.
It says it was a tweet thread.
Someone says, Casey DeSantis on the campaign show.
I've got kids.
I've got kids and whatever.
They're criticizing her for talking about her kids.
Then Roger Stone replies with hashtag see you next Tuesday.
S-E-E, letter U, next Tuesday.
And I'm like, oh, so he didn't call her a C-U-N-T.
He humorously, glibly replied to a tweet with, see you next Tuesday.
And then I say-Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I'll take it back.
Also, why did he delete it?
I don't know that he deleted it.
He did.
Okay.
First of all, I would have told him not to delete it.
What does see you next Tuesday mean?
Oh, no.
We're going to get there in a second.
Are you trying to take the lawyer approach and say, wait a minute, Yolanda.
Now, wait just a second.
He didn't say the actual C word.
He just said an acronym.
No, no, no, no.
Because my whole point was, why can't...
I'm going to say Team DeSantis.
I'm not really picking on them, but why can't people represent...
Feel free.
I'm not one of those people that's going to defend DeSantis blindly.
I've seen your criticisms of some of his supporters in regards to the J6, and I agree with you.
I agree with you.
So you're not going to get one of those rebuttals from me like, well, DeSantis could do no wrong.
It's like, no, I actually feel like some of his supporters are way off the mark on that thing.
But at the same token, I'm not going to attribute those types of interactions to the leader of the movement.
Because even in your own post describing the word being used, cunt, even some of your followers were calling some of these DeSantis people disagreeing with you cunts.
But I don't blame you for that.
I don't blame you for that.
There's two words in the English language I don't use.
The C word is one of them, and the other one is the N, obviously.
So I say this.
I don't think cunts as bad as the other one, though.
I think it's much worse only if you're referring to a woman.
But then in the English context, that's like a term of endearment.
That's one of the positionings that the Trump team tried taking.
Kasim, or what's his face?
The dude from England.
That he's a massive tree.
He blocked me on Twitter.
But that's what he was trying to say.
He's like, oh, he cunt!
It's like, that's not what Roger Stone was saying.
No, no.
But the question is not what was Roger Stone saying or what did he mean.
The question is, what did he say?
And when people run and put the C word in quotes as though he said it, it lends one to believe he said the word.
And now, my question, the question, it has to be done, you know, verbally.
Is there a moral difference between Hashtag see you next Tuesday and calling someone the C word.
Are you really arguing?
Are you really arguing this position?
I'm arguing why?
You're arguing the heightened, educated, but brother, you've got to understand.
No, I'm arguing the accurate representation of that.
It's a logical question.
Fair enough.
Is saying see you next Tuesday as offensive as calling someone the C word?
Of course not.
No, but there's a reason that you don't do that.
It'd be the same.
It's akin to me saying you can go F yourself.
What is the intent behind the message?
It's the same message.
It's just that I'm not going to say it.
The issue was never assessing the intent.
The issue was assessing reality.
The intent is the reality.
What did he actually say that is the reality?
What was his meaning?
That doesn't matter.
Yes, it does!
No, because when you quote someone...
Come on!
John, first of all...
I'll shut up.
I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
You've already conceded the major point, but when you direct quote someone...
One would expect that the direct quote that you've attributed to them is the direct quote.
But you're trying to make the argument of that he didn't actually say it, but I'm making the argument of, and I agree with you, he didn't actually say it, but the intent of the messaging was he was calling her a cunt.
You can go to dictionary.com and look that up and it's literally there.
So what are we disagreeing on?
I'd say nothing because you've made the biggest concession.
Once you concede that see you next Tuesday is obviously less offensive.
It is.
When you then falsely attribute him having used the more offensive word...
Yeah, I think you did.
Oh, okay.
Well, I'm saying, though, if you see that word, if you see it spelled out in that manner, is it the same?
No, I wouldn't say it's the same.
Does it have the same meaning?
If, say, for example, the N-word that you won't say, but I spelled it differently and used it, is it just as equally as offensive?
Would you use that same word?
First of all, never.
And if I were to say...
Why not?
It's not the same thing you just said.
You conceded.
You conceded.
It's not the same by your own logic.
No, no, no.
One is worse than the other, in my view.
But if I were to say the N-word...
Thank you!
So even if you misspell it...
No, no, no.
If I were to say the N-word...
I'm sorry if I'm talking over you.
I apologize.
Don't worry.
If I were to have said the N-word, even to say...
I'm not accusing you of saying that.
No, no, no.
And then someone quotes me as having said it?
Well, I'm going to damn well have a problem with it.
The whole issue here, the debate started off with, why can't they just, why do they have to spin, why do I have to fact check whether or not Roger Stone actually called her a C-U-N-T?
I can't trust anything they say.
So I see that article.
Oh, I see someone say.
Okay, okay.
I see your method.
But I mean, bro, you can get that from any side.
I mean, I get the same thing.
I mean, come on, man.
You're talking about the people, and I see the person that you quoted.
He's got how many followers?
These are not...
Well, I don't know.
I got into someone with Max.
I don't know.
Max Nordstrom or Max?
There's a lot of these people, dude, honestly, if you know them, it's like, I'll put it this way.
The Roger Stone, the thing that I have a problem with is that, number one, what he said was just kind of like, if this is the level that we're going to go to in our political landscape, which honestly...
A lot of people that don't know history, this is not the worst it's ever been.
We had presidents literally having duels back in the olden days.
They would literally shoot at each other.
So it's like it hasn't hit that point yet.
But what I feel, though, with Roger Stone, if you look at the personality scope of who he is, he even called Ivanka Trump, or excuse me, Trump's daughter.
Yeah, not Ivanka.
Oh, my God.
What's her face?
It's a memory hole.
He called her an abortionist bitch.
He literally said that.
And it's just kind of like, this is well within the scope of the personality of who Roger Stone is.
Now, if you take that by itself, that's someone that Trump keeps close to him.
If there were somebody like that with Ron DeSantis, and I'm going to ask you, is there somebody akin to Roger Stone in the DeSantis camp that you find has equal representation in regards to being offensive?
Let me pause to think about that.
But I also do want to come back and say, once we've conceded that...
See you next Tuesday.
A hired member though.
A hired member, not a random follower.
Okay.
But I do feel vindicated because once we've conceded that see you next Tuesday is obviously less offensive than the actual word, and then when you falsely attribute the actual word, you're doing it specifically because it's more offensive, and there's a material difference there in terms of me trusting what you can say.
Fair enough.
But I mean, you can't trust what anybody says on the internet, so it kind of proves your point there to be a fault of your own.
Why would you trust what anybody has to say?
Go look it up for yourself.
But either way, the other point is, you know, Stone said that for a reason.
And it got a response.
And it also got...
Here's the other thing.
If it's not as offensive, why did major news outlets cover it?
Oh, first of all, they just...
They'll cover...
They will cover anything.
Ah, yeah, you're right.
Okay, fair enough.
The whole point is, I'm not saying it wasn't offensive.
I'm not saying he didn't mean it.
Okay.
I was thinking, why can't you just tell me what he actually said without...
So then you do consider that to be offensive?
Oh, I wouldn't say that.
Roger Stone, I was trying to look up, what did he call the Clinton?
He made a joke about a Clinton super pack and he called it, I think it was the C word back in the day.
I mean, this is well within his realm.
This is what Roger Stone does.
And if, you know, forget politics.
Roger Stone is a relic of an age-old time where he has other people do the fighting for him.
I'm the type of guy, like, if you want to throw bones, and you've met me, I'm like 6 '3", 225 pounds.
If you want to say something, say it to my face.
And I'd rather have a discussion.
I don't want to punch people.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
There's some people that's like, I'd love to just clock that son of a bitch.
Roger Stone is one of those guys that he's smart enough that he can whip people up emotionally to do the fighting for him, as will a lot of these other influencers, regardless of which political side of the aisle they're on.
They stir people.
I've seen you going hard after Ray Epps.
Bro, I'm right there with you.
I don't understand why Ann Coulter is suddenly trying to vindicate Ray Epps based upon sentencing.
That dude's a fed, and so is Nick Fuentes.
Fuentes told people to go in the building.
No sentencing.
None!
You're a fucking fed!
By the way, I'm not defending Nick Fuentes, and I'm not avoiding him.
I am...
I'm just not familiar.
I know people have said that.
You're better off staying away.
He's a cancer.
He's a cancer.
And Ann Coulter, this is another, like, this is where it all started.
Ann Coulter inexplicably says, this has been explained a million times, Ray Epps is just a poor schmuck.
And then the next day she says, only DeSantis can fix this, talking about the immigration stuff.
What?
John, you're going to tell me.
Ray Epps is some poor schmuck.
The video is like, we're going into the Capitol.
It's like Chris Farley, we're gonna live in a van!
But John, she then said in the same thing, he was telling people not to go in.
I'm like, why are you lying like this?
And then the next day you come up supporting DeSantis.
That's the question right there, David.
You have to ask, what is she gaining out of this?
Ann Coulter's not a grifter.
She was one of the first people that went after Trump, and she was one of Trump's biggest proponents.
And then she reversed course, and even I was kind of like, what the hell?
And then later on, I was like, okay, I get it now.
Maybe she saw it sooner than me.
I don't know.
And, you know, I don't...
I don't think Trump's a racist.
I don't think Trump is anti-Semitic.
I don't think Trump is...
Do I think he's a womanizer?
Abso-fucking-lutely I do.
By his own words, he admitted this.
But I don't vote for a politician based upon their stances in regards to evangelical viewpoints.
I believe in a separation of church and state.
I don't want religious fundamentalism guiding any policy.
I believe in liberty for all, and everyone should worship accordingly, and everybody should just leave the hell alone.
But with Donald Trump, he tries to appeal to the evangelical crowd.
And in fact, that video he just shared not too long ago about why God made Trump, which was something that one of the Dilly meme team made.
Supporting Trump.
And then all the evangelicals are like, this is sacrilege.
This is blasphemous.
So I don't think Donald Trump really is a Christian.
Do I care?
No, not really.
Because I think all these snakes in Washington are like, come on, man.
I don't believe they have truth.
But even if they did, I don't care.
I believe live and let live.
Let's back it up because we're going to get back to...
Roger Stone, yes.
No, no, forget it.
We're done with Roger Stone.
I just think it shouldn't have been said, but I mean, whatever.
My only issue with it is it is a material distinction to use the actual C word versus CNX Tuesday.
He might think it's funny.
It's the PG-13 way.
And just to impute the word is wrong.
So that's good.
We can agree on that.
I could say it's not necessarily as offensive by not saying the actual word.
But the employment, the implication of it still is the same.
No, for sure.
But then it's the question of, it's obviously not as offensive, and then to directly impute the more offensive term...
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, so you're arguing...
Directly quote, I should say.
Okay, so let me just clarify where your stance is.
You're saying by not using the actual word and using an acronym, it's less offensive.
But, well, by definition.
By definition, well...
Where's the definition for that?
The definition is that we've already conceded that using the word...
No, no, no, no.
Now, by definition, you're saying...
Yours is an opinion.
This is all being subjective or objective.
I think most people will agree.
The C word is much more offensive than CNX choosing, which is still offensive.
And the reason why they have to misquote them...
I think that's subjective.
I think that's subjective, quite honestly.
Would you say that's a fair concession?
No, because I think...
You don't think...
Okay.
I think us even having this argument proves my point of saying it's a subjective matter.
People are going to think...
Objective metrics.
See you next Tuesday would not be stricken from a television show.
Cunt would be.
But now you're trying...
Take it and put it in the manner of television.
I'm trying to find some objective metric.
Most people would agree.
David, let's do this.
Would you be okay with your son writing that word in any manner?
No.
Why?
Because it is offensive.
Thank you.
But the question is this.
I wouldn't want him saying MF-er.
I wouldn't want him saying MF-er either.
We're not talking about MF-er.
Roger Stone didn't say MF-er.
He said cunt.
Or he said, see you next Tuesday.
So all it says, there's the only reason to lie about what he said.
I got him!
I got him!
The only reason to lie about what he actually said is because you want to make him use the word that you acknowledge is more offensive, even if he meant it.
That was all.
I just want accuracy.
That's all I want.
You know, I think, and I agree.
Man, I think that's subjective.
But what you're describing here, I saw the same issue with Austin Peterson.
I think, I wouldn't say a problem.
I would just say that you both operate in a very, not odd, in a bad way, a different mental capacity that it is more nuanced and requires much more explaining than just a Twitter thread.
You actually have to sit down and peel back the layers of what your intent is.
I see where you're coming from.
Do I think this even bears a discussion?
No, I don't.
I think we're in the weeds over something that's immaterial.
But you do pose some very good, I think we borderline to philosophical at this point.