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Jan. 5, 2024 - Viva & Barnes

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Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy on the Road in Iowa (Prerecorded) & MORE! Viva Frei Live

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	If you see a mob storming into the Capitol, don't go in there.
	Don't go in there.
	Didn't they arrest people that didn't go in?
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	Well, they put that one dude in jail from InfoWars.
	What is his name?
	Owen?
	I forget how to pronounce it.
	InfoWars.com.
	Owen Schroyer.
	That's his last name.
	But I think he went to jail for like seven months.
	And he was never even there.
	Two months.
	What did he go to jail for?
	Two months.
	Was he sentenced for seven months?
	Or was it 70 days?
	Prosecutors said he, quote, By spewing violent rhetoric and spreading baseless claims of election fraud to hundreds of thousands of viewers.
	Wow.
	Plead guilty to illegally entering a restricted area.
	What area is that?
	So did he go into the Capitol?
	He says he didn't enter the Capitol, but he let them march to the building and led rioters in chance.
	Okay, here we go.
	He's among only a few people charged in the riot who neither went inside the building nor were accused of engaging in violence or destruction.
	That doesn't matter.
	Here's where he fucked up.
	He should have joined the FBI first.
	He joined the FBI and then did that.
	They'd be like, good job.
	Got everybody to go in there.
	Crazy.
	All right.
	Not bad.
	But I think we got to start something and get Owen Schroyer or at least raise Owen Schroyer's awareness.
	Although Joe Rogan's familiar with him.
	Get Owen Schroyer on Joe Rogan so he can talk about his two months in jail for speech and for his solitary confinement for COVID.
	All right, people.
	I'm slightly off-center, and it's going to drive me ballistic.
	Here we go.
	How goes the battle, people?
	It's evening time.
	Good evening.
	Good super-duper late evening in Europe, and good afternoon in California.
	He was telling people not to go in.
	That might have been Alex Jones.
	Owen Troy was chanting 1776, whatever you interpret that to mean.
	Apparently words.
	Oh, check ça bien.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Lio Beaupré.
	Louis Beaupré.
	J'ai fini avec le Jimmy Dore Show et j'ai houté le tien.
	Je houté le tien tout de suite après.
	Ah, je ne vais pas rater ton interview avec Véves.
	This means Viva.
	I just finished with Jimmy Dore.
	I actually don't know what means.
	Oh, maybe he's adding mine and he's going to come over and listen to it right after because he doesn't want to miss the interview with Vivek.
	So what happened here today, people?
	We'll get into some news.
	I didn't want to complicate the title with my interview with Vivek, and yes, I am live, John F. Kennedy.
	I didn't want to confuse the title with my interview with Vivek, which is pre-recorded, and let's talk about the Iowa shooter that has that story disappeared from the mainstream media headlines.
	Faster than I even knew that it didn't exist because I was in transit when this shooting occurred and it hit the news and disappeared from the news for reasons that we're going to see are patently obvious before I even heard about it.
	The only reason I heard about it was because I heard things about Iowa and I thought it was related to election stuff.
	Then I saw none other than Alex Stein Primetime 99 pimp on a blimp giving the police in Iowa a harder time than the media.
	It's an amazing thing.
	We live in an era where the comedians, where the podcasters, where the eccentric Canadians have become the press, the journalists, the truth seekers, not necessarily the truth tellers.
	And we're going to play all of this.
	Yes, by the way, and we also heard Bart Simpson.
	Nice to see you again, Bart.
	Supreme Court will hear Trump's whether or not they can keep him off the ballot because what's the latest state?
	The world is going...
	Hold on.
	The world is going flipping crazy.
	Some might even say it's going bat poop crazy.
	It's going guana crazy.
	So that's it.
	So basically, I did this interview pre-recorded with Vivek.
	It's not edited.
	It's just one unedited take.
	I equalized the audio because I think the audio was close, but I equalized the audio because Vivek is on the road in Iowa.
	He's literally in his RV.
	Going from one freaking stop to another.
	He's done 300 and some odd stops.
	I don't know how anybody does it.
	Forget age.
	I don't care that you're 25. It's not any easier to do this than it is if you're 50 or whatever.
	Vivek, holy sweet merciful crab apples, is grinding the pavement?
	Hitting the pavement?
	Whatever.
	He's working hard.
	He graced me with 50 minutes today.
	And it was a great interview.
	So I'm going to play that interview.
	I'm going to see, how would I go about doing this?
	The video of the interview here.
	No, no, no.
	That's my computer screen.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to play the interview, and then I'm going to go start a barbecue while I do that, so you guys are going to watch that.
	But until then, I'm going to cover just a few stories that I wanted to cover beforehand.
	So here.
	This is the interview with Vivek.
	Let me see how we're going to make this happen.
	If I go present screen, share screen, go to window, and then I go here, and then I do this.
	And we're sharing it.
	Oh yeah, and then check this out.
	And then what we'll do is this.
	Who is that?
	Viva!
	Viva!
	Thank you.
	Oh, tell me I didn't actually not...
	Oh, I'm such an idiot.
	The file I saved.
	No!
	That's not the right video.
	By the way, it's going to work.
	That's what it's going to look like.
	That was the intro where I didn't actually cut off the first three minutes.
	Yeah.
	Lynn2112, you'll be happy to know that we addressed this very same question during the interview.
	So, spoiler alert or teaser alert?
	Oh, tell me that you heard sound.
	Did you not hear sound when I did that?
	We didn't hear the audio in that video.
	Hold on.
	We're going to fix something in real time as I do this.
	I'm sweating already.
	All that you needed to do was tell me that you didn't hear the audio.
	Well, hold on.
	Let's just do one test before we get going.
	Close this.
	It was the Epstein.
	No, it wasn't the Epstein.
	That was a highlight.
	Okay, it's this interview right here.
	Boom shakalaka.
	Okay, now, tell me we're going to do this.
	Studio StreamYard, share screen, window tab.
	We'll figure this out.
	Just give me one second because it's important that we actually be able to hear the interview.
	Cancel.
	Present.
	Share screen.
	Okay, here.
	Here.
	Can you hear this?
	Can you hear this?
	He didn't say good, good.
	People, can you hear the audio there?
	No.
	Hold on.
	I have a solution to it.
	Not go live.
	That's certainly not the solution.
	Hold on.
	We're just going to do it like this.
	I know that if I share a screen, so I'm just going to upload the video to YouTube.
	That's going to be...
	Okay, let me do something.
	This is Vivek.
	Okay, I'm going to upload this as we talk about the other stuff.
	Okay, that's it.
	Oh, don't you tell me that it's going to take an hour and 45 minutes to upload that.
	Monetize in all countries.
	Okay.
	If you have any idea how much I'm sweating right now, I'm going to troubleshoot this in real time.
	No, hold on one second.
	We're not going to do that.
	We're going to leave ad breaks out.
	Okay.
	Okay, good.
	Discard changes.
	Next.
	Submit right next.
	So give me two seconds.
	I'm uploading this in the backdrop so that it will hopefully be ready.
	Unlisted.
	And then I'll just share that screen as we do this.
	Woo!
	Ten minutes left.
	Okay, good.
	That'll take some time.
	So, everybody, we'll troubleshoot it.
	Get this out of here.
	We will figure this out.
	It's going to happen.
	And I'm not going to have a mistake.
	So, I missed the birth of my child for this first stream.
	Dude, DiGiovanni.
	Get your priorities straight, or at the very least, multitask.
	Watch Viva while you watch another human come out of the legs of another human.
	For anybody who has never seen a delivery, hold on.
	For anybody who has never seen a child being born, there's a moment in time where there's one human with her legs spread and a human head protruding from her vagina.
	And that is...
	The most alien image you can never get out of your head ever for the rest of your life.
	I mean, for those of you who've seen Total Recall, you might think like Kuwato was kind of graphic, like, look into my eyes.
	And like, you have a baby coming out of a human man's chest.
	Looking at a little purple head with a little bit of tuft of hair sticking out of a woman's vagina...
	You try to make a science fiction movie where that's the plot as to how humans reproduce in your science fiction movie, nobody would believe it.
	Yep, at a given point in time, a human comes out of another human.
	It's intelligent design.
	It cannot be an accident.
	Who tried but walked out?
	Dude, that's what GoPros are for.
	First of all, I did not walk out.
	I was there like, yeah.
	Let's see this.
	For those of you who don't know, this is a funny anecdote.
	We'll get into a little story time before we get into the stream.
	When my wife was giving birth, and I want to say it was for our third kid, this was when I had discovered the world of GoPros.
	And so I had a GoPro, and I propped it on the dish tray, or the tray, the utensil tray, because it was a good angle right up the...
	And so I put the GoPro there and it was a great angle.
	I was going to just leave it, record.
	And then the doctors come in and they take their tray and they go, what is this?
	It's like, oh, that's my GoPro.
	It's like, you can't put your GoPro on the tray of sterile utensils because that's a risk.
	I was like, oh, can I put it on my head strap?
	Yeah, so that was it.
	Okay.
	Now I'm hoping that the solution that I'm getting here...
	Okay, it's upload.
	Processing will begin.
	Okay, we are good people.
	Okay, so that's it.
	We're going to watch the Vivek Ramaswamy interview on Rumble.
	So I'm going to do the three stories that I have to do here, that I want to do here, that I want to cover.
	I didn't get to a car vlog today.
	I'm going to try again.
	But I might still get to a car vlog.
	And that's it.
	Standard disclaimers.
	You know who I am.
	Viva Frye, Montreal litigator.
	Former Montreal litigator.
	Turned current rumbler of Florida.
	And I'm extremely happy to have gotten home to our beautiful home in Florida.
	Our beautiful home of Florida.
	Our beautiful Florida is home.
	I went for a drive today and the sun is out.
	I saw birds, like just beautiful green sort of snub-nosed parakeets, ponds.
	I didn't see a gator today, but I saw iguanas.
	They were so...
	Oh!
	Anyhow, so that's it.
	Who recently moved to Florida?
	Tanif Stephenson.
	It's a beautiful place to move to.
	It's flat.
	It's boring.
	And Viva and Vivek.
	Okay, so that's it.
	So we're going to watch the interview over on Rumble.
	Are we on Rumble?
	Now, I'm going to check out of the stream while we do that.
	We're live on Rumble.
	Are we live on vivabarneslaw.locals.com?
	We are.
	Good.
	All right.
	So the story that you may or may not have heard of, depending on when you tuned into the news, there was a shooting, a school shooting in Iowa.
	I hate these stories.
	I hate the way they are immediately politicized.
	I'll say on both sides, but there is some, not politicization that is justified or understandable, there is some that, there's some politicization where the solution is actually finding a solution, and then there's other politicization where it's distracting from the actual problem strictly for the purposes of appropriating the tragedy.
	Okay.
	We've got one of these.
	You may or may not have ever heard of it.
	People who are listening in the chat, watching.
	Have you heard about the high school shooting in Iowa that left one student dead, five shot, and the shooter, the killer, allegedly self-inflicted gunshot wound?
	Who's heard about it?
	You may or may not have heard about it because it disappeared from the news so quickly for reasons unknown, except the reasons are patently obvious when you get into it.
	And then once the reasons become known, well, then it becomes a question of reframing.
	Listen to this.
	This is out of Yahoo News.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	The Advocate.
	What are they?
	Christopher Wiggins.
	It's not Wiggum, so it's Christopher Wiggins.
	January 4, 2024.
	We're in 2024, people.
	Yahoo News.
	Right-wing influencers seem happy that Iowa School Shooter might be LGBTQ+.
	Can you imagine anyone with the...
	With the shameless audacity to run a headline like this.
	Whoever wrote this headline has cursed themselves to an eternal damnation in hell, is what I think.
	Whoever ran this, equally as well.
	Yahoo News, I would expect nothing less of the rubbish MSM digital outlets of the world.
	Right-wing influencers seem happy.
	Project much, you psychopaths?
	Project, seem happy that Iowa school shooter might be LGBTQ+.
	Hmm, what does that mean?
	That means that whenever the shooter is white, the left-wing media seems happy that the shooter is white because they get to weaponize it for their political purposes.
	Nobody in their right mind is happy, period.
	The only people sick enough and demented enough to think that other people are happy because they would get to weaponize this tragedy, this atrocity, are people who are sick enough and demented enough in the head because they would weaponize an atrocity.
	And that's exactly what we got here.
	You got every fear hides a wish, which is nothing more than a form of projection.
	Ooh, I hope he's not a white shooter because then we get to weaponize it racially like they do over and over again, and I'll show you in a second.
	Right-wing influencers seem happy that Iowa school shooter might be LGBTQ+.
	By the way, from what I understand, it ain't might.
	You sick.
	You sick people.
	Sick puppies.
	Following a tragic Thursday morning Iowa shooting at Perry High School in the town of Perry, where one child was killed, multiple people were seriously injured, and the suspected shooter died of a presumed self-inflicted wound.
	Right-wing extremists!
	You want to point out the fact that the shooter was, I don't know, suffering from whatever the hell mental illness it is that leads to this?
	You want to point it out?
	you're a right-wing extremist and influencers have centered on the shooters speculated LGBTQ+ identity based on a pride flag emoji on a since-disabled profile.
	Well, that's a pretty damn good reason to suspect it.
	No?
	Can you imagine?
	They've centered on the shooter's speculated LGBTQ+.
	When I get to the examples where Yahoo News itself goes from race of the shooter to presumed racial intent.
	When other people do it, it's extremism, which means that when they do it, they know it's extremism.
	Keeping up with the latest...
	Oh, whatever.
	Late Thursday afternoon, Michelle Mortvitz, assistant director of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, provided updates on the alleged shooter and the situation.
	Excuse me.
	The police...
	The Perry Police Department responded to the active shooter event, and upon arrival, they found student and faculty either sheltering in place or fleeing the school.
	Inside, multiple victims with gunshot wounds were discovered.
	The shooter identified as 17-year-old Dylan Butler.
	A student at Perry High School was found with what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
	Mortford mentioned that Butler was armed with a shotgun and a handgun and made several social media posts around the time of the shooting.
	They confirmed that there were six students shot, one deceased.
	While law enforcement has not commented about the alleged shooter's gender identity or sexual orientation, it's interesting.
	It's interesting.
	Why wouldn't the law enforcement have commented about it if they had evidence about it?
	Why would the law enforcement have suppressed a manifesto for months, the disclosure of which had to result by leak?
	It's amazing.
	They don't report on that which is potentially relevant.
	And then they do report on that which is arguably irrelevant, depending on the circumstances, ideologically motivated.
	Social media users focused on the appearance of a pride flag.
	The appearance of a pride flag, not the guy including it.
	The appearance of a pride flag on an account allegedly linked to the shooter, and it led to the narrative amplified by right-wing influencers online.
	Ooh, I guess I'm a right-wing influencer.
	Hmm.
	That account is no longer available.
	The screen grabs of its contents have circulated widely on social media.
	Interesting how they do that.
	Disable it.
	Delete it.
	And had nobody screen grabbed it or accessed it beforehand, it would have been memory hold so that narrative control could be maintained.
	Oh, well, the shooter's white.
	Maybe they can go with racism.
	Oh, the shooter's white and apparently LGBTQ plus whatever the heck the acronym is.
	Oh, shit.
	Don't focus on that.
	That's irrelevant.
	You're a bigot.
	You're a right-wing extremist.
	Then we're going to go to this.
	Shia Rayshaker, known for running the anti-LGBTQ+.
	She's not anti-LGBTQ+.
	She just amplifies them more than they ever needed.
	She's pro-LGBTQ+.
	She amplifies their stuff more than they can ever get amplification.
	They should be happy with it.
	That's what they put it on the internet for, isn't it?
	Libs of TikTok began posting hours before the shooter was identified, alleging him to be gender fluid based upon a hashtag allegedly included in the person's social media footprint.
	She later posted a meme inaccurately linking several mass shooters to LGBTQ+.
	Oh, really?
	Inaccurately?
	I'll keep that open in the background.
	We'll come back to that in a second.
	Inaccurately.
	One might want to go back and look at the most recent mass school shooters and see if there's a common thread that goes a little bit deeper than...
	Skin color.
	Maybe.
	Elon Musk amplified this idea on his platform, Twitter.
	Oh.
	Oh my goodness.
	The meme referenced several shootings in Tennessee.
	Audrey Elizabeth Hale, trans, who said, who police said identified as transgender.
	Yep.
	So where's the inaccurate part?
	Colorado Anderson Lee Aldrich, behind the 20Q shooting, was assessed by lawyers to be non-binary.
	So where's the inaccurate part?
	I'm sorry, hold on.
	Let me just back this up.
	Shia Rachik, known for running the anti-LGBTQ plus social media account Libs of TikTok, began posting hours before the shooter was identified, alleging he was gender fluid based upon a hashtag onto social media.
	She later posted a meme inaccurately linking several mass shooters to the LGBTQ plus community.
	You said the word inaccurately, Yahoo News.
	If I'm going to the second paragraph, the meme referenced, Audrey Elizabeth Hale identified as transgender.
	Okay, so far it sounds accurate.
	Anderson Lee Aldrich, the Q shooter, lawyer said was non-binary.
	However, this claim has been met with skepticism due to Albrecht's known anti- Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought the lawyer said it.
	My stupid face.
	In Denver, Alec McKinney, a transgender teenager, was involved in a 2019 shooting.
	All right.
	All right.
	Snokia Mosley identified as trans.
	So, where the hell is the inaccuracy?
	I've got an open mind.
	Crucially, the meme included a photo that it claimed was the shooter from the 22 Uvalde massacre.
	The shooter was not the...
	Oh, so they got one person wrong, but four of the five, right?
	Later, Rachik posted from her links of TikTok, this is the transgender fluid terrorist who shut up his school in Iowa today.
	Trans...
	Extremists are a serious threat.
	The media will bury this.
	Well, two parts of that seem to be relatively accurate.
	Holy crap, Apple.
	Can you believe what they try to tell you as news?
	That's unbelievable.
	So it seems that four of the five were in fact trans in recent memory.
	It's not a problem.
	There's nothing to notice there.
	While there have been isolated incidents involving transgender or non-binary people in mass shootings, these are not representative of the broader trend.
	Do tell us, you flipping liars.
	The predominant demographic of mass shooters remains cisgender men.
	Debunking the...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	That's a conclusion.
	May I see your homework?
	May I see your homework?
	Yahoo.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't care to read the rest of this.
	Shia Rachik, in her never-ending quest for cliques, is using a horrific shooting to try to drum up anti-LGBTQ plus hysteria for her cause.
	In truth, LGBTQ plus people are disproportionately impacted by gun violence.
	Committed by whom, if I may ask that obvious question, you jackasses?
	A reality made worse by those like her, who demonize the community at every turn and past.
	Oh.
	Everybody, here's the link.
	Link.
	So it's bullshit, by the way.
	Just at the risk of stating the obvious, it's absolute bullshit.
	Hold on.
	I don't see the chat updating in here.
	Let me...
	We're still live, right?
	I don't know if I've crossed the YouTube overlords.
	Let me just see if we're...
	Are we still live on YouTube?
	Reload.
	Just going to go ahead and reload this, yeah.
	Okay, we seem to be still live here.
	Are we still live on Rumble?
	We are.
	Okay, good.
	Oh my goodness.
	Just because four of the five that she identified happened to identify as trans.
	That's not representative of the broader trend.
	What is the broader trend?
	Well, let's just go over here.
	Ah, wait, don't.
	C'est quoi ça?
	Est-ce que c'est ici?
	Non, c'est pas ça.
	Ça, c'est pour une autre histoire ici.
	Donc, j'ai enlevé ça.
	Where is the Yahoo News doing...
	Oh, cripe.
	Did I not...
	I know that I have it somewhere here.
	Here we go.
	Remember, when the right points out that the school shooter was trans, they're extremists and liars.
	When the left points out the shooter was white, they're fighting racism and the patriarchy.
	This is from the article.
	Right-wing influencers.
	Here's another Yahoo News article.
	Florida school shooting suspect was a white nationalist.
	I think this was Nicholas Cruz.
	Fairly certain this was debunked.
	White nationalists, because Cruz, a Latina last name, was a white nationalist.
	The Jacksonville shooter, shooting.
	Five experts on the culture-fueling racist attacks against black people.
	That's totally fine.
	Gunmen who killed 10 people in racist mass shooting in Buffalo gets life sentence.
	When they do it, it's totally fine.
	When the right does it...
	It's because they're anti-LGBTQ2IA+.
	And ignore the fact that at least four recent mass shooters identified as trans.
	I'm sure it's a coincidence that people suffering from mental distress, gender dysphoria, mental illness, would be prone to acts of violence, especially when people are prevented, almost by law, at least in Canada, from administering treatment.
	to the mental illness and instead have to affirm the mental illness ratify the mental illness encourage the mental illness and then holy shit they go out and eventually at some point those with mental illness carry out acts of violence because of perceived slights perceived injustices But then they go censor the manifesto so that you never know about that.
	They go and censor the fact that these shooters suffer from mental illness.
	You never know about that.
	But when they're white, when they're white, it's always presumed racism.
	Okay.
	I think that's it for that story.
	Almost it for that story.
	Pimp on a M-ing F blimp.
	Listen to this.
	This is posted by Alex Stein.
	I'll give everybody the link in a second.
	The only one out there, whether or not his tactic is effective, they're not going to answer questions regardless.
	So shame them, blame them, and amplify the fact that they are covering for politics.
	Listen to this.
	That's, by the way, if you can't see Alex Stein.
	Primetime 99. Pimp on a blimp in the backdrop.
	That's him there.
	Listen to this.
	First of all, if I may ask, how the hell did he get there?
	Just sitting in the back, you know, just sitting in the back of a press conference with police officers.
	He's lucky he didn't get effing tased.
	At least.
	Listen to this.
	Special Agent Mitch Mortvet from the Iowa DCI.
	What you're seeing right now is behind me.
	It looks like a random journalist who's...
	A random journalist, a right-wing extremist, asking the cops the questions that you, you coward, with the mic is not asking.
	Trying to get questions answered from the state troopers, but obviously, I mean, they've already said that they're not going to be taking any more questions.
	And that's good enough for me.
	Hey, they said they ain't taking any more questions.
	Alright, thank you.
	When should I come back?
	When will you be taking questions?
	When will you be releasing any manifesto?
	Oh, not now?
	Okay, thanks.
	When should I come back?
	Next month?
	Oh, okay, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm a journalist, you flipping cowards.
	This is fucking ballsy right here, by the way.
	Nothing more we're going to say.
	Thank you.
	We're done.
	We're done.
	We're not even going to tell you if anybody's dead.
	We're done.
	What do you come up and do nothing for?
	If you're going to come up and do nothing, don't come up.
	Shout out and credit to Alex Stein.
	You guys aren't giving any information about anybody dying or anything?
	You don't think that people want to know if somebody died?
	You guys are too coward to tell us what happened.
	Do we not deserve to know?
	Hey, we don't deserve to know.
	We're in our cars.
	We got our guns.
	We got our guns.
	You, Alex Stein, you don't got no gun.
	And by the way, if you had one, we'll tase the living bejesus out of you.
	We don't get to know anything?
	Look at his hands, by the way.
	Look at the hands.
	Look at the hands.
	Hey, we don't deserve to know.
	There you go.
	I am your overlord.
	Hey, y 'all don't think this is ridiculous?
	Can you tell us what happened?
	Hey, we want to know what happened.
	If a kid died, you're going to hide that?
	You're a loser.
	You're a coward.
	Kids are dying.
	You're hiding the truth.
	You guys are cowards.
	What happened?
	We want to know what happened.
	Why don't you guys say what happened?
	Because the dude might be LGBTQIA+.
	You guys are too coward to say?
	They got their guns.
	They've got their cars.
	They've got their own security.
	They're not at risk.
	A kid could be dead and you guys won't say anything about it?
	You guys are pathetic.
	Unbelievable that he actually managed to get in there.
	I don't know how he did that.
	I would not recommend that anybody do that.
	But thank goodness there are people like Primetime99, Alex Stein, Pimp on the Blimp, who's going to do it.
	It's almost ridiculous that that's the name of the only truth teller, the truth seeker of the world today.
	Okay.
	I think we're getting ready.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me break this out here.
	Bring this down.
	Let me see what we got in the back.
	The Advocate.
	Why do I have Twitter The Advocate?
	Oh, these are two stories that I brought up for other reasons.
	What's this?
	What's this?
	Yeah, these are all segues into the next interview.
	Into the next Vivek Ramaswamy interview, which we're going to do right now.
	Okay, here we go.
	Everybody, let me get the link to Rumble, and everyone should start thinking about coming over there now, because we're going to watch Chris Christie.
	The link to Rumble is in the pinned comment.
	We're going to watch Chris Christie, and I'm going to excoriate Chris Christie on Rumble.
	If anybody wants to come and watch it on vivabarneslaw.locals.com, here's the link.
	Locals.
	Boom.
	I'm sweating so bloody hard under here.
	We're going to start with Chris Christie to illustrate what a, not corrupt, but corrupt, career politician looks like.
	Whether or not Christie was a career politician in the sense of like, okay, well, he had a job at Once Upon a Time.
	After 10 years in office, after 10 years in politics, you're a career politician.
	How long has Chris Christie been in politics for?
	Chris Christie politics.
	Chris Christie.
	Here we go.
	Let's do this.
	Let's do this.
	About Chris Christie.
	Oh my goodness.
	Christopher James Christie.
	Here we go.
	How long has he been in politics for?
	American politician, former federal prosecutor who served as the 55th governor from 2010 to 2018.
	So that's already been...
	14 years, career politician.
	Member of the Republican Party.
	He was the United States Attorney of New Jersey from 2002 to 2008.
	So he's been in politics for 22 years.
	How far back does this go?
	He was appointed in January 2002.
	Christie was elected as county freeholder legislator, serving from 95 to 98. So back to 95. Holy sweet, merciful crab apples.
	You've been in politics for that long and the world is in the state that it's in.
	You should voluntarily resign from politics for the rest of your life.
	But we're going to do this.
	I'm going to excoriate Chris Christie on Rumble.
	Let me just put that there.
	Remove this out.
	Alright, so we're going to go over to Rumble.
	Come on over.
	I'm going to back myself out of the stream at some point sooner than later to start cooking dinner.
	And play the Vivek Ramaswamy interview.
	It's 50 minutes long.
	It's the greatest compliment ever when someone says, I got 30 minutes for you.
	And then we go 50 minutes and then you're like struggling to put it to an end because you don't want to be greedy with their time.
	I like it.
	We're going to end on YouTube right now.
	Come on over to Viva Fry on Rumble and VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com on Locals for the rest of this stream.
	Okay, I think I just did it.
	Holy crap.
	Then I might go in the car.
	And do a vlog.
	We got...
	Hold on.
	Arkansas crime attorney in the house, sir.
	Hold on.
	Let me do this once before we...
	Just before we go.
	Just for this chat tonight, if you were not on Barnes' stream last night, I volunteered to match up to $200 to Amos Miller.
	Once before we...
	I will be here again tonight.
	I will post the locals' comments here after done.
	I haven't been able to watch Barnes' Bourbon with Barnes last night, but I'm going to do it right now as I cook dinner.
	Because I've just...
	It's...
	Reality, I also slept in a little bit.
	I slept in until like 8.45 this morning, which was too much.
	Okay, Chris Christie, I have an admission.
	It went from I have a dream to I have an admission.
	And Chris Christie is the bulk of that joke here.
	Pun intended.
	Okay, that's terrible.
	Boom!
	I have an admission to make.
	Eight years ago, when I decided to endorse Donald Trump for president, I did it because he was winning.
	And I did it because I thought I could make him a better candidate and a better president.
	Well, I was wrong.
	I made a mistake.
	And now we're confronted with the very same choice again.
	Donald Trump is ahead in the polls.
	And so everyone says anyone who's behind him should drop out.
	And we should make our choice Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
	Well, Joe Biden has had the wrong policies.
	And Donald Trump will sell the soul of this country.
	Neither choice is acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be acceptable to you.
	You see, in the end, the most important, important characteristic of any candidate for president of the United States is what's in here.
	Cholesterol.
	The most important thing is character.
	Can we play this bullshit one more time?
	Yeah, I'm not swearing because we're on Rumble.
	I'm swearing because I'm pissed off.
	Let's play this one more time.
	I have an admission to make.
	Eight years ago, when I decided to endorse Donald Trump for president, I did it because he was winning.
	Eight years ago.
	How old is Chris Christie?
	Let me just see here.
	He's born in, if we're going back, eight years ago.
	How old is Chris Christie?
	Why can't I see how old he is fast enough?
	He's the 50th.
	For goodness sake, what's his birth date?
	How old is freaking Chris Christie?
	Born.
	1962.
	He's 61 years old.
	Eight years ago, he endorsed Donald Trump because he was winning.
	That's what you said, Chris?
	I don't want to misquote you.
	Eight years ago, When I decided to endorse Donald Trump for president, I did it because he was winning.
	So you're a 53-year-old man who's lived life, who decided at 53, I'm only going to endorse somebody because they're winning.
	That makes you a goddamn loser, Chris Christie.
	At the age of 53, you don't get to redeem yourself from that eight years later from being a loser.
	But by the way, he did it for his own good virtue.
	Listen to this.
	And I did it because I thought I could make him a better candidate and a better president.
	So he's a piece of shit who endorses someone who he doesn't believe in because he thinks in his narcissism that he will be able to better that candidate.
	Holy shit, Chris Christie, what the hell is your problem?
	Back out and apologize.
	I endorsed a man who I didn't believe in at the age of 53 makes you a loser, a traitor, someone with no moral conviction, and you did it because you thought you could convince him to be a better character?
	Oh my god, do you hear yourself?
	You do hear yourself because you listened to this and then said hit publish, hit publish.
	Well, I was wrong.
	Oh!
	You were wrong.
	You weren't wrong in fact.
	You were wrong in moral guidance.
	I endorsed someone who I didn't believe in, allegedly, because they were winning, which makes me a whore.
	And I was wrong now because I want to get elected because I'm a whore.
	I made a mistake.
	Oh, what was your mistake?
	You're a whore, Chris Christie.
	And now we're confronted with the very same choice again.
	And you're still a whore.
	If I may just say that, you're a big flipping political whore.
	I supported Donald Trump when he was winning because I wanted to be in on that ship and I thought I could change him.
	Oh, but now I know so much better.
	So now I'm endorsing myself because I'm still a whore.
	Donald Trump is ahead in the polls.
	And so everyone says anyone who's behind him should drop out and we should make our choice Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
	Well, Joe Biden has had the wrong policies, and Donald Trump will sell the soul of this country.
	Ooh.
	It sounds like the only person who's sold their soul here, war whore, war pig, Chris Christie, is you.
	If I'm just being honest.
	Neither choice is acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be acceptable to you.
	You see, in the end, the most important, important characteristic of any candidate for president of the United States is what's in here.
	The most important thing is character.
	Yeah, you've displayed that, Chris Christie.
	You got character.
	You got character.
	At the age of 53, you were a political whore.
	Whoring for a candidate you now admit you never believed in because you thought it could bring you some sort of political profit.
	But now we're expected to believe you, you political whore, that you're the right candidate because you're no longer a political whore.
	Sorry.
	Go back and maybe lick the heels of Nikki Haley.
	And she might make you VP on her failed candidate.
	And you might go from being a political whore to a war whore, because one way or another, whoring is all that you know how to do.
	So enjoy that.
	Okay, that's fantastic.
	640?
	I think we're going to have to start getting into the...
	I might save this for a separate vlog.
	No, you know what?
	We're doing it right now.
	Screw it.
	We'll do it live.
	Alright, here we go.
	Vivek Handel's journals.
	Listen to this.
	I said this last night.
	Invidious racial discrimination is wrong no matter how it happens.
	Sorry.
	We missed.
	Let's talk about white supremacy and what happened last night for a moment.
	Because when you were talking to reporters last night, you called white supremacy a myth.
	Can you imagine the bald-faced audacity of a white woman lecturing an Indian man on white supremacy and what he should believe of white supremacy?
	Can everyone appreciate that?
	You want to view the world through political, ideological, gender, ethnic blindness?
	Let's do it.
	You got a white woman lecturing an Indian man on what he needs to believe of white supremacy.
	Let's talk about white supremacy and what happened last night for a moment because when you were talking to reporters last night you called white supremacy a myth.
	When someone asked you about Dylan Roof.
	You said you didn't know who that is.
	Oh, Dylan Roof.
	Have you looked up what happened?
	That's another white, a white shooter.
	When he killed people, it was racially motivated.
	When a tranny does it, don't ask that question.
	It's not fair.
	It's transphobic.
	Yeah, look, I've said this last night.
	Invidious racial discrimination is wrong no matter how it happens.
	But if a Washington Post reporter is asking me almost like a catechism...
	Whatever question I said, I'm against invidious racial discrimination, whatever form it takes.
	It says, do you denounce white supremacy?
	It's incumbent on us for us to define what white supremacy is.
	I wrote my book, Woke Inc., and I've written about the detailed understanding of what the popular understanding of these terms have come to mean.
	Do you believe punctuality is a vestige of white supremacy?
	Answer the question.
	Answer it.
	Answer it.
	Look, answer it.
	You have a disagreement about many people who are defining it.
	Answer it.
	Or the written word, or the nuclear family.
	This is...
	These aren't my words.
	These are the words of intellectual proponents from Ibram Kendi to the Ayanna Pressley's to BLM that have said these are vestiges of white supremacy.
	So we can't have it both ways.
	We have to have an honest discussion.
	This is what you do, though.
	This is not a straw man.
	This is what you do.
	You do straw man arguments.
	That's a straw man argument.
	Answer the question.
	Is punctuality white supremacy?
	Madam White.
	First of all, who the hell is that sitting next to her?
	If I may just ask the other, who is this person right there?
	I didn't see the whole interview.
	Justin Smollett was the hottest thing in news in the back of a fake actual attack on him that we have to contend with.
	And yet you have examples like the Buffalo shooter in New York just in 2022.
	But you are also cherry picking when you bring up Justin Smollett.
	I'll look at all the statistics.
	More black on black crime.
	If you really care about actual crime against black Americans, let's get to the root causes of it in the inner cities of this country.
	The Anti-Defamation League.
	White supremacist propaganda last year.
	Who's cracking that?
	The Anti-Defamation League.
	Yeah, the ADL.
	I don't think it's a particularly credible source when they haven't cherry-picked information.
	So who are we supposed to look to when we're talking about this?
	I would suggest, look at that.
	There's a table.
	Two by two table.
	Federal law enforcement data.
	We'll skip it there.
	Who else are we supposed to listen to?
	If I can't listen to the ADL, who else am I supposed to listen to?
	Why don't you just go listen to Big Brother?
	Madam Young Lady.
	Holy sweet, merciful Jesus.
	Could it get any worse?
	This is a link to the tweet.
	Here, boo.
	There's a link to the tweet.
	I'll give it in vivabarneslaw.locals.com If we can't listen to the ADL, who can we listen to?
	You know what?
	I don't know who that person was anymore, but you should go listen to the ADL.
	Here you go.
	Go listen to the ADL, because the ADL has declared the number 18. 18 L'chaim biatches.
	They've declared the number 18 to be a hate on display.
	Alternate names combat ADLs.
	My goodness, I hope it's not C19.
	C19 has to be a...
	It's a white supremacist alphanumeric code for Adolf Hitler.
	A being 1 and H being 8. It is most commonly associated with the British white supremacist combat group.
	Group, Combat 18 or C18.
	Occasionally, Combat 18 cells appear in the United States, but they tend to be...
	You guys are fucking insane.
	Like, you guys are absolutely ADL.
	Bat shit fucking crazy.
	Just call it the way it is.
	You guys are out of your fucking minds.
	Oh, by the way, they also got the okay hand gesture.
	Hate on display.
	Okay hand gesture.
	White power.
	Note!
	For reasons explained below, particular caution must be used when evaluating this symbol.
	You know, like, when 99.99% of the population uses it, yes, particular caution must be exercised when assessing this hate symbol.
	And 18. Do you know how many numbers are on the ADL's...
	Watch list.
	Numbers.
	ADL hate symbol.
	Watch this.
	I'm just going to...
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	ADL numbers hate symbols.
	Look at this.
	I mean, it would be a joke if it were funny.
	But it's not funny.
	Therefore, it's not a joke.
	I don't know if this is going to be all of them.
	88. General hate symbol.
	Look at this.
	Let's just play a game.
	We'll do this in real time.
	General hate symbols.
	Neo-Nazi symbols.
	88 is a white supremacist numerical code for Heil Hitler.
	But I thought A-H was.
	Adolf Hitler.
	Oh no, this is 88. Okay.
	So basically, anything with 8. Okay.
	How about we do 1?
	Okay, good.
	Oh, that's good.
	How about we do 2?
	Maybe I'm not doing the right...
	Hate.
	3 hates.
	Oh, this is not going to work.
	Hold on.
	What we're going to do is this.
	We're going to go to ADL and we're going to look for hate symbols.
	We'll do it like this.
	We'll do hate symbols.
	Look at this.
	Here we go.
	Search.
	What the heck is she doing?
	Request a free hate symbol guide.
	Okay, this is hilarious.
	We might have to.
	Do we want to see what this has to do here?
	Okay, forget it.
	You go just for your own edification.
	Google numbers in ADL to see which ones are hate symbols and get the guide, Viva.
	No!
	Hold on a second.
	Let me just see something here.
	I'm just going to do this here because I need to do like five ADL hate symbol.
	Hate on display.
	Oh, here we go.
	We got it.
	We got it.
	Check this out here.
	Stop and share.
	This is the ADL in all of their fantastic work.
	Hate on display.
	Hate symbol database.
	43. The number 43 is a numeric symbol used by members of the racist skinhead group Supreme White Alliance.
	SWAT.
	SWAT.
	You put it in the team at the end, you're going to have a SWAT.
	If one substitutes the numbers for letters in SW's initials...
	Then those numbers add, I don't care.
	Five words.
	The five words refer to the phrase that some white supremacist advocates should be the only words ever spoken to police.
	I have nothing to say.
	That's hate.
	I hope someone's going to clip this because this is going to be glorious.
	Hate symbol, 511.
	The number 511 is a numeric symbol for the Oregon-based racist prison gang European Kindred.
	Substituting letters for numbers, the 5 and 11 equate to E and K, i.e.
	European kindred additional images.
	737!
	It's a numeric symbol used by the public enemy number one penny, a California-based white supremacist gang.
	Holy shit, 83, 88, 88, 9%.
	ACAB is a All Cops Are Bastards slogan used by the long-standing skinhead culture.
	I'm fairly certain I've seen a lot of Antifa using this symbol.
	Just throwing that out there.
	Advanced White Society.
	IKEA.
	These are not numbers anymore.
	We're not even in the numbers.
	Oh my goodness.
	It's crazy.
	It's nothing shy of crazy.
	Okay.
	It's nothing shy of absolute...
	Institutionalized insanity.
	Interview with...
	No, no, no, no.
	That's not right.
	So now what we're going to do here...
	We're going to do this.
	We're going to click this, and then we're going to watch the video, and I hope...
	Ooh, they're running ads on it, even though I don't think I've run ads on it?
	Dismiss.
	Now we're going to do this.
	We're going to move into the interview with Vivek Ramaswamy.
	It's going to be fantastic.
	I'm going to post this independently tomorrow.
	Actually, you know what?
	In about an hour and a half.
	Here we go.
	This is it.
	No, that's not right.
	Get that out of here.
	That's not the right one.
	Go here.
	Share.
	My interview with Vivek Marwan.
	This is the one.
	Okay, here we go.
	Boom.
	Shakalaka.
	We've got it.
	I'm going to take myself out of this.
	Everyone can watch it.
	I'm going to post the interview standalone after this.
	Everyone, enjoy, please.
	Wait.
	Before we do that, however, vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	Am I going to be able to get to the...
	I'm going to do the tips on vivabarneslaw.locals.com right now before we go any further.
	Spam Ranger.
	One dollar.
	This is characteristically of a psychopath.
	Christie can't cite any specific thing that Trump has done wrong.
	It's all smoke and mirrors.
	I agree with you.
	Then we got Satoshi Ape.
	Vivek Ramasamy is a way to have Trump in the debates without having Trump in the debates.
	And I agree with that.
	Now, locals, I'll get on afterwards with you and we'll hopefully talk.
	But otherwise, enjoy this.
	I'm going to play it.
	And I think it was a good interview.
	I hope it was.
	50 minutes plus.
	Enjoy.
	I'm going to go start a barbecue and I'm going to cook some damn easy meats on Glades.
	Easy meats with an S. It's delicious.
	Enjoy.
	All right, everybody.
	This is going to be the part where I play the interview now with Vivek Ramaswamy.
	He's coming back on to talk about where he's at.
	Driving through Iowa.
	You all hear the audio, right?
	So this is Vivek coming in.
	Three, two, one.
	You hear the audio, people?
	How goes the battle?
	It's going well.
	I'm on a bus in rural Iowa, and so apologies in advance for any technical glitches, but it's good to see you.
	The same, the same.
	So rural Iowa, so there's no snow outside from the looks of it?
	There's a little bit of snow, actually.
	It's dusted on the ground, but very light, is what I'm seeing right now.
	Amazing.
	Now, Vivek, okay, so you're going through Iowa now.
	Next up, I mean, I guess the first...
	Look, I'll start off the interview with the hard-hitting question.
	Why have you not denounced white supremacy yet?
	If somebody could actually define white supremacy for me, I'm sitting by and waiting.
	And then I can tell you what I think of it.
	But right now, I'm not sure that anybody knows what the hell the term means.
	Well, I love the way it's not to flatter you or stroke your ego.
	I do love the way you deal with that question because there is no way to properly answer the question that will not be spun or twisted.
	So just don't play the game.
	But the big news of the day, Vivek...
	Okay, so yesterday, the day before, we're having some more document dumps on Epstein.
	And although people think it's news, for those who've been paying attention, it's not really news that one of Epstein's...
	It's inflection.
	Well, one of Epstein's friends that once upon a time donated a large sum to one of your packs.
	What's the situation with that?
	I mean, your knowledge of it, it goes back to August.
	It's not breaking news.
	It's actually kind of interesting.
	I learned about it while I was on the bus ride earlier today.
	When, of course, some clickbait headline comes out without contacting our campaign, it was easy for me.
	Apparently the guy had given some money to our campaign, the money he gave to our campaign, I said send it back, or better yet, give it to some non-profit that's actually fighting sex trafficking, which I think we need more people stepping up to actually do.
	But it's the silly game the media is trying to play with respect to, I'm the one candidate who has been most vocal in saying, I'm going to disclose everything of what happens when we get into office about the Jeffrey Epstein client list.
	About who actually is or isn't involved, what the government doesn't, doesn't know.
	Just tell the people the truth.
	For my part, if I've got 150,000 some odd donors, A, I don't pick them.
	And B, I don't have knowledge of what each one has done in their spare time for the last 10 years.
	But if you tell me one of them's done something wrong, I don't want their money.
	Give it back.
	And in my case, unlike the other candidates, my biggest donor is me.
	I don't like sucking up to anybody.
	I've put close to $30 million into this campaign already.
	Not money I inherited, but that's hard-earned money of mine.
	And I'd rather lose an election than to be somebody's circus monkey, but I don't need anybody's money.
	And so, you know, to hell with the people who are pushing this crap.
	I want to emphasize that, or at least highlight for those who might not know.
	You're self-financing to what percentage of the aggregate cost of your campaign?
	Oh, God.
	It's like the overwhelming majority.
	I mean, you think about, like, the aggregate.
	Now, in terms of the number of donors we've got, it's a large number of donors, but many of them are given...
	10 bucks, 20 bucks, 30 bucks a piece.
	But in terms of absolute dollars, oh my God, it's the overwhelming majority that's been funded by me in total.
	Absolutely.
	And if I may ask the totally indiscreet question, are you really, in fact, in the whole up to 20, 30 million dollars to finance your campaign?
	We've already put over 25 in and we're putting in, I mean, I got to look at the exact number in the latest.
	It's between 25 to 30 already and we're putting more in as we speak.
	And so, yeah, I'm going to stop at nothing.
	Because, you know, my view is, look, I didn't grow up in money.
	I mean, my parents came to this country with no money in search of opportunity.
	I've founded multi-billion dollar companies.
	My wife has lived the American dream as well.
	The inheritance we really care about giving our kids isn't just a bunch of green pieces of paper.
	A lot of kids I went to school with when I got to college and otherwise end up depressed with that anyway.
	And we want our kids to be able to make their own American dream, but they can't do that if we don't have a country left.
	And so we're going to stop at nothing for this country, and I'm making the effort of running for president.
	I don't do something half-heartedly.
	I've done, what, 330-some events here in Iowa.
	It's more than all the other campaigns combined.
	I've put in way more of my own personal money than any other candidate in this race.
	And so if I do something, I'm doing it all in.
	We're doing it for the country, and we're not going to stop.
	Young.
	I mean, everybody knows that.
	They don't stop highlighting it.
	You've never been involved in politics before.
	I guess this sort of interplays into the Epstein question.
	A lot of people are infatuated with the Epstein question because they genuinely and truly believe that intelligence holds blackmail material over international interests and national interests or national elected officials.
	What is your view on this?
	I think it's not crazy at all.
	I think it's not just this issue, though.
	I think we have a government that has systematically lied to its people.
	For a long time, and I favor total transparency across the board.
	I mean, you want to talk about lists, you can go from the Epstein direction, you can go the direction of the military-industrial complex.
	I want to know Nikki Haley's list of who are military contracting firms' clients when you have one of the most vocal advocates of the war in Ukraine.
	But you have a government that has systematically lied to us all the way dating back, certainly in my adult lifetime, what was the actual, who were the people who were actually involved, including Saudi Arabia's government in 9-11.
	The weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
	The Trump-Russia collusion hoax that they lied about.
	Where did COVID actually begin?
	What did we know about the use of our own money to fund the creation of a lab on the other side of the Pacific?
	You know, what do we actually know?
	What's the truth of what happened with Jeffrey Epstein?
	Do I think we've been told the truth?
	Absolutely not.
	You look at some of the recent commentary even from his brother.
	Does the fact that they looked at the outside cameras but not what happened inside the jail that day actually make sense to anybody?
	Of course it doesn't.
	And so the basic truth is, our government has systematically lied to its people.
	In many cases, this is funded, actual interest.
	Hunter Biden gets a $5 million bribe from Ukraine.
	It's not an accident that we're giving $200 billion of money to that same country.
	No reason to think it could happen with respect to the kinds of circles that Jeffrey Epstein has been running in.
	People will call me conspiracy theorist or whatever from the mainstream media.
	I'm not.
	I'm driven by facts.
	But the first point is, give me the facts.
	And if the government's hiding the facts, then it's good to expect that where there is smoke, there's a good likelihood of being fired.
	Well, the issue is this, and I've been thinking about this a lot since the Epstein document dump, especially with ties of Ehud Barak to Epstein.
	If it turned out that the truth would actually be destabilizing for the U.S. as a national, international superpower...
	I like to think people can deal with that power, that information, but what if they can't?
	Like, what if it actually turns out that half of our international policy, or a meaningful portion, has been dictated and governed by blackmail?
	I think we deserve to know, is the answer.
	In the short run, that could be painful.
	But the question is, if you're just playing for the short run, you will never have a long run as a nation.
	This is the argument that they make, basically, with respect to talking about it's a different case in a different circumstance, but about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11.
	For years, they said, Omar al-Bayoumi, the guy who received the terrorists at LAX airport, helped them open bank accounts, was a 42-year-old graduate student that just met them on accident.
	Turns out he was a Saudi intelligence operator.
	Now, talking about that now, 20 years later, when it comes out in a government actual...
	The number one argument you hear is this could be destabilizing.
	Why talk about this?
	Sweep it under the rug.
	There are certain things you shouldn't...
	An issue could fit that very same description.
	There's certainly enough smoke to believe there could be real fire here.
	If we're thinking about tomorrow, could this be destabilizing?
	And even in the short run, maybe have some costs, even for the United States of America?
	Yes.
	I think that's a possibility.
	Same thing with respect to the truth of what happened on January 6th.
	You could say the same thing.
	But in the long run, the right answer is always to stand for truth.
	And I think that history teaches us that.
	World history teaches us that.
	Our country's history teaches us that.
	And I think once we start compromising on that, then the question is, whose judgment is it?
	As to what's destabilizing or not, it's going to be somebody who's self-interested is to say that it's destabilizing to actually advance their own goals.
	That's what's happened for the last 30 years in this country.
	And that would change on my watch.
	And if people find that frightening, then don't vote for me.
	But I think that's what I would deliver.
	Well, I mean, people find it frightening and people find it so frightening that in as much as they're going to do everything they can to make sure Trump is not the GOP nominee, in as much as you might ever be a threat, they'll make sure that you're not going to be the GOP nominee.
	There's a town hall or a debate coming up on Monday in Iowa.
	You didn't qualify for it because apparently you have to poll at 10%.
	No, no, no.
	Didn't qualify is an overstatement.
	So the funny thing, yeah, I mean, I could go on about this.
	CNN calls us.
	So I'll tell you the story on this because actually just people deserve to know.
	So I do this town hall hosted by CNN in Iowa.
	I'm talking about the truths of what happened on January 6th.
	They grow so uncomfortable.
	They cut the town hall off on live television five minutes early to bring in their expert panel to excoriate me and teach their audience how they've just been fed misinformation.
	The next day, they call our campaign.
	We put it up on YouTube, threatening us with a cease and desist, while Nikki Haley's town hall, parallel town hall, remains up on her YouTube, no problem.
	Six months ago, no problem.
	Then later that day, they call us and say, That certain of the polls used by the Republican National Committee, the RNC, where I hands down happen to be the one, morning consult, big well-regarded polls, or I'm polling in one of those ahead of Nikki Haley in Iowa or otherwise, that they've selectively found those polls.
	They named them and said they would be disqualifying for their fake debate.
	And so I don't want to be licking their boots and sort of play some sort of game.
	I said, forget that.
	Let's actually get Tim Poole coming out doing a live show in Iowa that same night.
	And so that's what we're doing.
	But I think it's going to be the most meaningless fake debate, not only of this election, but for a long time.
	Well, I mean, anybody who knows how those polls work, A, they're lies in the first place.
	Of course.
	And they manipulate them.
	I mean, when I ran for office in Canada, they did the same thing to exclude the leader of our party.
	They said, oh yeah, we're going to pick and choose and exclude the polls that actually allow him to enter.
	So what is the plan?
	You're going to be live with Tim Poole.
	This is going to be Monday night.
	Yeah, with a live audience in Iowa, right at the same time as that.
	Fake CNN debate with two career politicians who have memorized their slogans.
	You know, I mean, if that's what you want, vote for one of those candidates, DeSantis or Haley.
	And if you want a candidate who's going to speak the truth, that's what I've been doing in this campaign.
	It's how we're going to run the government.
	Now, Vivek, I'm going to be brutally honest.
	I always am.
	I think so long as Trump is in the race, nobody else has a reasonable chance.
	And for some for bad and for some for good.
	Your voice in this debate is immensely important because of the candidates that can debate, you're the only one making certain points while the other two or three or four are not addressing any of the substantive issues.
	So at what point would you say, I'm going to bow out and endorse Trump?
	So I think we can't be playing one-dimensional checkers here, right?
	And what you say, I mean, based on what you see in the country, etc., I don't blame you for saying it, and I respect the heck out of Donald Trump.
	I think that goes in both directions.
	We have a good relationship.
	We're both businessmen.
	We don't have to be doing this.
	He did a lot of good for this country, and it irritates the hell out of me that you got the other candidates in this race that'll Monday morning quarterback some decision or other that he made when, in fact, he's the best president we've had in our century, probably in my lifetime.
	And so I respect that about him.
	It also irritates the heck out of me that now the other side is engaging in election interference in the GOP primary, trying to remove him from the ballots in Maine to Colorado and elsewhere.
	And I said that, you know what, if they're going to do that to Maine, let's take Maine out of the process.
	Every Republican should drop out of the Maine ballot if Donald Trump's eliminated.
	I said I would do that as well.
	So I've done everything I can.
	But I think we've got to play more than this simple game of checkers and thinking about how we're going to defeat the other side through the front door.
	We've got to open our eyes, people.
	I mean, at this point, now you had the protests.
	Then you have civil suits.
	Then you have the state prosecution.
	Then you have federal prosecution number one.
	Then federal prosecution number two.
	Now forget the judicial system altogether.
	Just remove them off the ballot.
	That's just in 2023.
	Study world history.
	Study U.S. history.
	Study the history of the last year.
	These people, study the last election in 2020 with a man-made pandemic and a tech-rigged election.
	These people will stop at nothing.
	And I mean nothing to keep Trump away from the White House.
	If you think they're just going to let him win through a standard process.
	Getting back to the White House, I think I need you to open your eyes, people.
	I think they're laying a trap for us.
	I think that's what's happening, David, actually.
	And I think the trap is increasingly hiding in plain sight.
	Where they want to narrow this down to be a two-horse race.
	And initially I thought maybe not Trump-Biden, but Trump-Gavin Newsom or somebody else.
	Now it's becoming clear to me that it isn't even the general.
	They want to narrow it down to two-horse race in the primary.
	And then eliminate Trump and trot in their puppet.
	That's the game they've...
	That's a trap they've laid.
	And I think we cannot fall into their trap.
	America First cannot end with Donald Trump.
	And I think a lot is at stake for the country this year.
	And once you see it, at least for me, you can't unsee it.
	And so, yes, I have an obligation to make sure that they don't hatch that plot and see this through.
	And sadly, and that's not how I want to see this go, but sadly, I think that's the way that the system has determined this is going to go.
	And their Trojan horse, it isn't Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama.
	It's Nikki Haley.
	It's Nikki Haley.
	Staring a plane in the face just because they put an R after her name doesn't mean that a vote for Haley is a vote for the Patriot Act, a vote for Forever Wars, Iraq 2.0, a vote for a surveillance state tying your social media accounts to your government-issued ID.
	This came from Biden, we'd see it for what it is, but somehow you put an R after the name and claim to be a Republican, many Republicans end up falling for it.
	And I think it's up to us to wake up, not to walk into that trap.
	And I think that this is going to be a very...
	Complicated year.
	And if we think it's just going to play through some sort of thing where people ask me, oh, well, America first.
	Support Trump this time.
	Open your eyes.
	If you think the game is working that simply, you know, I would say fool us once, shame on you.
	Fool us twice, shame on us.
	And I will not let us walk into that trap.
	It's a very interesting perspective, actually, that, you know, it's not a question of fixing the general if you can fix the primary and, I don't know, push prop Haley up by whatever means necessary.
	Concretely, I got a bunch of questions on policy that I'm not sure that we've ever discussed, at least you and I. I think you probably mentioned it elsewhere.
	There's a number of crises in the world currently right now.
	The war in Ukraine, the war in Israel, the war on the border, or the lack of war on a border in America.
	I'm not going to say day one of presidency.
	Practically speaking, how do you respond?
	And address the border crisis in America.
	Are you amenable to deporting tens of millions of people?
	Practically speaking, how would that work?
	What would be your solution to that?
	The answer is not only am I amenable to it, I'm committed to it.
	And I'll tell you how.
	First, we got troops sitting in places like Germany, 40,000 troops in Germany.
	They shouldn't be there.
	Germany doesn't even spend 2% of its GDP, the NATO commitment, doesn't even spend the NATO minimum of GDP on its own military defense.
	Make them defend themselves.
	Bring our troops back from places like that where they shouldn't be.
	And yes, I will move our own troops to our own southern border and our northern border too.
	I'm going to end birthright citizenship for the kids of illegals in this country.
	It doesn't apply to them.
	It never was intended to apply to them.
	And this is where, you know, they may dupe certain presidents.
	I think that, you know, in many ways, they may have even gotten to Trump in this sense.
	They say you need a constitutional amendment to do that.
	No, you don't.
	Read the 14th Amendment.
	That's already what it says, and I can go into the details of that if you want.
	When it comes to mass deportations, here's the answer.
	What they told Trump and what they tell others, the standard line, is there's only 6,000 ICE agents, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents, who are able to take this on, and how could we possibly get to millions, and it is millions, of illegals in this country?
	Again, this requires a president who knows and understands the law and the Constitution in this country.
	And so what does that mean?
	It means the section of the law, I think it's called 287G, that already allows you, as ICE, to delegate your warrant service power to local law enforcement.
	Now you have a million local law enforcement who can actually see that through.
	And yes, the country that got this far into the American experiment, yes, we can actually get that done too.
	So it's not a technical challenge.
	It's a challenge of will.
	It's a challenge of having the spine, having the stones to do it.
	And I do.
	And I think that's what it's going to take to actually get it done this time.
	Yeah, or instead of hiring 85,000 new IRS agents, you can hire 85,000 new ICE agents.
	This is going to be a very tough one.
	I mean, there's going to be three...
	Can I just say something on that?
	I've thought about that.
	That takes time.
	I'm talking about moving fast.
	And so it's commander-in-chief.
	And, you know, the IRS, that requires going through Congress.
	ICE agents are going through Congress.
	I'm not in this to mess around.
	It's commander-in-chief.
	I run the military.
	On day one, when I'm in office, we're moving our troops to our southern border, period.
	On day one, when I'm in office, we're moving the troops to the northern border, period.
	On day one, I write an executive order codifying what the Constitution already says, which is that any child born in this country of illegals after January 20th, 2025, will not enjoy citizenship.
	And so I'm not making the mistake the presidents usually make, take six months to go through Congress to get some diluted piece of legislation that you trumpet out to claim some victory that actually wasn't.
	I'm using the existing laws as they exist as the President of the United States to get this done by March of 2025.
	I take over in January.
	By March of 2025, this is done and behind us.
	And I think it's going to take somebody with the actual spine to see that through.
	And I brought that, and Trump of course brought that too.
	An outsider with sharp elbows, we both bring that to the table.
	It's going to take that, but also an outsider who knows and understands the law and the Constitution.
	First, personally.
	Because otherwise you're going to be duped.
	The swamp will dupe you if you'll have to listen to an advisor class.
	And in my case, look, I'm not saying this to boast, but just to have real talk here.
	That's why I'm in this race.
	I think it's going to take the guy with sharp elbows and the entrepreneur and the businessman from the outside, but also somebody who knows the law and the Constitution.
	And those two things don't go together usually.
	And I think it's going to take both of those things to actually get the job done this time around.
	And so I think we can.
	But, you know, the path to get there is going to require some spine.
	The conflict in Ukraine, Russia, NATO expansion.
	Trump says he could resolve it in 24 hours, but won't say what his solution is until he gets into power.
	And that's not a—I'm not criticizing him.
	I think it's fun.
	What's your solution to that, broadly speaking?
	I'm not going to say 24 hours, but I think instantly, relatively instantly, we're going to have a deal.
	And I have laid out what the contours of the deal would be.
	All right?
	So here's the actual threat we face as a country.
	Let's open our eyes to that.
	The Russia-China military alliance.
	Those two countries are in a military alliance with each other.
	And together, Russia and China actually do start to outmatch the United States in our hypersonic missile capabilities, in our nuclear stockpiles.
	Russia's ahead of ours.
	China's navy is arguably ahead of ours, at least in certain ways.
	And we depend on China's economy for our modern way of life.
	Those two countries are in a military alliance with each other.
	So my top objective is let's weaken or disband that alliance and use the Ukraine war or the end of it as a way to do that.
	So here's the deal I would make with Putin, broadly speaking.
	I'll make a hard commitment that NATO will not admit Ukraine to NATO.
	And by the way, that's just keeping a prior commitment that we made.
	For God's sake, James Baker in 1990, our Secretary of State, made a pledge to Gorbachev.
	That NATO would not expand one inch, not one inch is what he said, past East Germany.
	We haven't kept that commitment.
	It would recodify that commitment.
	I would further say a reasonable deal with a territorial deal here, acknowledging that the sections of eastern Ukraine that Russia is occupying right now are Russian-speaking, culturally Russian regions that haven't been even represented in the Ukrainian parliament for the better part of the last 10 years.
	And also abandon this myth that Ukraine is some model democracy.
	It's not.
	It's one of the most corrupt nations on planet Earth.
	Also, not embodying democratic norms when Zelensky's threatened to cancel elections.
	Zelensky's going after political opponents.
	He bans 11 opposition parties and consolidates all media into one state media arm.
	We can at least see reality that this isn't democracy versus autocracy or good versus evil.
	It's, you know, two countries that actually have some historical complex issues that are in conflict right now negotiate a reasonable deal that says that we'll stop funding this war.
	We will end this war because, you know, he pays the pipe or calls the tune.
	You could say, well, Zelensky basically has got to do whatever we say because we're the ones paying for the darn thing.
	End of that war.
	Ukraine comes out with its sovereignty intact.
	But I wouldn't give Putin that deal for free.
	That deal has a condition attached to it, which is that Russia has to exit its military alliance with China.
	That's actually the big win for the United States.
	You know, there would be some other elements to it.
	I would tell Putin to get the nuclear weapons out of Kaliningrad.
	I'd tell Russia to get any military presence they have in our western hemisphere the heck out.
	And by the way, China has control of our Panama Canal.
	I'd tell China, Russia, anything else, get the heck out of our hemisphere.
	Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, get your Russian military presence out.
	So I could go on into details, but those are broad strokes of the deal that I would do.
	And this keeps us out of World War III.
	We would reopen some economic relations with Russia.
	I know the Republican Party establishment has an allergic reaction and a conniption when I say stuff like that.
	But that's what we need to do in order to keep us out of World War III.
	Weaken China.
	That's actually what we need to focus on.
	And if Russia's no longer in China's camp, China has to think twice or probably won't even have to have an opportunity to think about going after Taiwan.
	Because right now, the only way they would do that is if the confidence is that Russia's in their camp and the U.S. won't want to go to war.
	With two different allied nuclear superpowers at the same time.
	But if Russia's not in China's camp, then we're actually going to be able to get this job done.
	It's interesting.
	I mean, I can see people having certain issues with that, but at some point we have to...
	You can't delve into that for too long.
	It's interesting broad brushstrokes.
	Let's move it over to the Middle East.
	How do you resolve what's going on in the Middle East and what is the best approach to what, you know, everyone goes by being the ally of Israel that must be supported at all costs?
	I know you don't necessarily share the view in that phrasing, but what's your proposal in the Middle East?
	I just never recite any standard catechism.
	I mean, the GOP has some certain set of talking points that fall from on high and, you know, even presidents who have bucked the orthodoxy of the GOP in certain senses, you know, I'm...
	I'm probably the worst script reader that this party and our leadership has seen in our history.
	And so for better or worse, that's me.
	Now, I think America First does not come with an asterisk.
	Some people think it does.
	I think it doesn't.
	America First doesn't come with an asterisk.
	As a father, my moral obligation is to my family.
	Period.
	That doesn't come with an asterisk either.
	Well, as the next president of this country, my sole moral duty is to the citizens of this nation, the United States of America.
	So wherever I look...
	From Ukraine to Taiwan to the Middle East.
	I'm looking through what advances American interests.
	Not to short run, but over the long run.
	I do think Israel is our most important ally in the Middle East.
	And I think it's very important for us to stand for Israel's right to defend itself.
	So I would provide what I would call diplomatic Iron Dome treatment.
	A diplomatic cover for Israel to be able to do whatever Israel needs to do on its own to defend against what Hamas did, which was disastrous.
	It was subhuman.
	It was medieval and it was wrong.
	And Israel doesn't need the UN or the EU or, for that matter, the US, second-guessing its decisions as a backseat driver, as an armchair quarterback.
	That's worse for Israel, but it's also worse for the United States if we're going to intervene militarily in this conflict.
	And, yes, I have the guts to say it.
	I guess me and Thomas Massey might be the only ones that do, to say that I'm against that $14 billion or $16 billion aid package that's specific to this war for Israel.
	I don't think Israel needs it.
	And I think in a longer run, since it's better for Israel without having the U.S. second-guessing their decisions, Israel has the right to defend itself.
	And I wouldn't want some other nation second-guessing the United States of America if we're defending, God forbid, an attack on our own southern border or incursion onto our own soil.
	And by the way, if that happened on October 7th in Israel, it absolutely could happen here in the United States of America when we have basically open borders.
	So my call with Bibi, if I was president, would be, Very frank.
	To be very direct and very honest.
	To say, you know what?
	What they did to you was dead wrong.
	You have a right to defend yourself.
	You have an obligation to defend yourself.
	And you want to smoke those terrorists on your southern border.
	You go ahead and do it.
	And we're not going to stop you.
	And you know what I'm going to do over here?
	I'm going to smoke the terrorists on our own southern border.
	Because that's what my job is as the president of my country, the United States of America.
	And so I think that's better for our allies, including Israel.
	And I think my concern is it's also better for the United States of America.
	Have you ever contemplated or talked about dual citizenship members of government in America?
	I'm not sure if you've ever discussed that.
	I've never discussed that as a policy theme or whatever, but when I've been asked about this in the campaign trail, it's actually in a very different context than it came up.
	I don't think dual citizenship is a thing.
	It's not a coherent concept.
	I know it exists in the law, but I'm saying if you think about what citizenship is...
	Citizenship is about pledging allegiance to a nation.
	That's what citizenship is about.
	See, everybody thinks about the question of citizenship of what do I get?
	Maybe it's the right to vote.
	Maybe it's this.
	Maybe it's that.
	Well, actually, women were citizens for as long as our nation has existed, but they didn't have voting rights until far into our national history.
	And so if you go to the root cause of what is citizenship about, it's not about what you get.
	It's about the duty that you owe.
	It's about what you give.
	And citizenship is fundamentally, even if you look about the naturalization process of citizens who become naturalized citizens, immigrants who become naturalized citizens, it's about the oath of allegiance that they swear to the United States.
	And so I don't think dual citizenship is coherent.
	It's an oxymoron.
	It is a contradiction in terms unto itself.
	And so I don't believe in dual citizenship, and I don't think the United States should either.
	At any level of our government and even of our citizenry.
	And so I'm a little bit of a hardliner on this, but I don't think...
	I think if you're a citizen of this nation, you're a citizen of solely this nation.
	And yes, then you have all of the privileges and immunities and rights, including the right to vote that come with citizenship.
	But to me, dual citizenship is not a coherent concept.
	It doesn't make sense because citizenship itself is about allegiance to one nation, whether that's a European nation or whether that's...
	An Asian nation or whether that's a Middle Eastern nation or a South American one, it doesn't matter.
	Same concept applies.
	Well, for sure.
	And I think that incongruity is certainly highlighted when they are elected members of government with dual citizenship and some people, you know, for right or for right.
	So I'm not aware of that, actually.
	That's interesting, actually.
	I'm talking about it more even from a voting perspective in this country.
	Are there elected members of...
	The U.S. government, you're saying, that have dual citizenship?
	Oh, I'm fairly certain there are.
	Now, I feel compelled to fact-check myself in real time.
	I will.
	I'm fairly certain there are.
	Yeah, because I'm all about facts, but you made me want to look into this, so I'll check that out myself.
	No, absolutely, because I know there's a lot of people who have concerns about members of government with dual citizenship, because the question always is, whose loyalty are they representing as elected officials?
	And I wonder how pervasive that is, because there's a lot of countries that allow dual citizenship, and so you may be interested in the question.
	I'm going to check it out.
	I'm going to check it out.
	I'm going to see if I can Google it while we talk in real time.
	One question that I don't know that I know your answer on, the question of abortion has become a very, very strong litmus test, and a lot of people are saying the GOP is making a lot of unforced errors in terms of imposing stricter guidelines, stricter requirements that nobody's going to accept.
	What is your personal position on it, and what would be your policy as president?
	Yeah, my personal position is, I believe life, unborn life is life.
	I'm solidly pro-life.
	I picked that up at a pretty young age, and it comes from...
	Both a faith-based view and a logic-based view, right?
	We say life ends when brainwaves end.
	Well, I think life, you can then say, it's only logical to say life can begin no later than when brainwaves begin.
	And that's at about five or six weeks after conception.
	Now, all that said, as a policy matter, here's the path forward.
	And I have pretty strong conviction in this.
	Leave it to the states.
	That's what the Constitution demands.
	Federal abortion ban, not only is it not a good idea or not, it's not a good idea, but it's not constitutional.
	There's no constitutional authority for the U.S. federal government to implement such a ban.
	And so the Ron DeSantis or the Nikki Haley's or the Mike Pence's, they go back and forth on this stuff.
	I don't think they know the first thing about the Constitution.
	No federal ban.
	Leave it to the states.
	How do we win on this issue?
	I'll tell you how.
	One is, actually stand for access to contraception, access to adoption, child care.
	And then I think this is a big one.
	Speaking about this issue and people say, oh, you're a man, you can't talk about this issue.
	Yes, I can.
	And I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say.
	I think I would favor laws in this country that would actually increase responsibility for men.
	If it's confirmed by a genetic paternity test, right?
	That's what we have today.
	We can confirm it by a genetic paternity test.
	Then I would say that the woman who brings a child to term should be able to make the man the principal responsible party for raising that child.
	Now it's not about women's rights or men's rights anymore.
	It's about human rights.
	And there's a case, actually, Clarence Thomas brought up in the Dobbs case, actually.
	The case of a pregnant woman who was assaulted, and the unborn child died as a result.
	Well, I haven't met one person in this country who says that that criminal doesn't deserve punishment for that death.
	So that says most of us share these pro-life instincts in common.
	The problem is, we haven't walked the walk in being pro-life.
	And so if you have that sexual responsibility for men codified in the law...
	I actually think that this doesn't have to be a losing issue.
	And the way I've talked about this, I think I've had a lot of success in this country in bringing along independents and even libertarians into our camp based on this issue.
	And certainly if I'm the nominee, I expect to deliver a landslide by approaching this the right way.
	Well, and approaching it at the state level, there are going to be some who are going to say, who are going to pressure you to recognize an unborn child as a life that is protected under the Constitution, and therefore it would no longer be a state issue.
	I think that the reality is that is a tortured interpretation of the Constitution as tortured as the Supreme Court's ruling in Roe v.
	Wade to claim that there was some sort of federal substantive due process right to privacy codified in the 14th Amendment.
	That's as invisibly present in the 14th Amendment as this theory of the 14th Amendment would be as well.
	And so I've gone into constitutional depths on this, but I would sort of say at a very practical level, murder laws are state laws.
	Federal murder laws generally are not part of what's on the books.
	Murder laws are at the state level.
	So if you believe abortion is murder, which is, I think, the principal pro-life position, then have it dealt with the way the other murder laws are dealt with, which is at the state level.
	And I'll also very pragmatically make a different point.
	I think if we do federalize this issue, I have full confidence that more unborn children will die over the next 30 years.
	Because then you've opened Pandora's box.
	You've got Biden and everybody else trying to codify Roe versus Wade into law.
	We now have the Supreme Court correctly telling us that this is not a federal issue, that the federal government does not have the authority under the Constitution to regulate on this issue like so many others.
	From most laws, you could think about theft, you could think about murder, etc.
	These are state laws.
	The Tenth Amendment means something.
	That which is not reserved to the federal government is reserved respectively to the states and to the people.
	But if we use some bastardized interpretation of the Commerce Clause, which is what the left likes to use for everything, or some tortured interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment...
	You've actually opened Pandora's box.
	The next time Democrats take power, they're going to codify Roe versus Wade into law, and more unborn babies absolutely will die over the long run as a result of opening that Pandora's box.
	So both for constitutional reasons and consequentialist reasons, I'm against it.
	All right.
	And now, I mean, that's one of the litmus test issues, the big one for the GOP, for the conservatives.
	What are some of the biggest mistakes that you see?
	The GOP candidates or the conservative side as a whole making, in this public debate, run for the presidency.
	Yeah, so, and just on the litmus test point, I think it is important that we have a leader of our movement that is pro-life, and solidly so, and I am.
	But I think the right way to do this is through the states, not through the federal government.
	Now, as it relates to the bigger mistakes of the GOP, I think it's actually a form of laziness, intellectual laziness.
	And I'll tell you what I mean.
	I think today's GOP has basically defined itself in opposition to something.
	To say that we're against what the left puts up.
	Race, gender, sexuality, climate, Biden.
	I don't spend a lot of time bashing Joe Biden, first of all, because I don't even think he's really the president.
	He's a puppet for the managerial class in the deep state, the permanent state.
	That's the real problem.
	But I think that where we Republicans have failed and where I'm in this to lead us to is actually offering an alternative vision of our own.
	Answer, what do we actually stand for?
	Answer, what does it mean to be a Republican in the year 2024?
	What does it mean to be an American in the year 2024?
	That's what we've got to step up and have the courage to actually answer.
	And to me, it means we believe in 2024 that we believe in the ideals of 1776.
	Ideas are two basic rules of the road.
	I mean, we're talking about fundamental stuff here.
	We, the people, create a government that's accountable to us, not the other way around.
	That the people who we elect to run the government Got to at least be the ones who actually run the government.
	Shutting down that federal bureaucracy, that's my top objective.
	Actually gutting the deep state.
	This should be a core definition of what it means to be a Republican, part of a pro-American 1776 movement.
	It means that those people who we do elect to run the government, that they owe a sole moral duty to the citizens of this nation and not another one.
	As I said, America First doesn't come with an asterisk.
	It means we believe in basic ideals like free speech, open debate, the rule of law.
	Self-governance, meritocracy, the basic rules of the road.
	That's what I think the Republican Party needs to stand for, as opposed to just sitting here spouting off what Biden did or didn't do yesterday and assuming that somehow the people view that as an agenda.
	It's not.
	That's why we didn't have a red wave in 2022.
	People ultimately, especially young people, need something to know that grounds them to say these are the affirmative values that we're for, and that's where today's GOP falls.
	Hold on, we got a little glitchy there for one second.
	But Vivek, a lot of people might look at the U.S. government and call it, let's say not the GOP, but even a uni party, and they might say the blob has gotten too big to kill at this point.
	And I say politically.
	No violence.
	What do you do?
	How do you disband the FBI?
	How do you do this when the machine itself will not let you do it?
	Well, I disagree that...
	That's the sense of agency, right?
	You've got to exert actual power over the machine.
	The answer is not incremental reform.
	Incremental reform is not possible.
	I do agree that it's a uniparty.
	It's absolutely.
	I mean, Republicans and Democrats, when you look at the foreign policy, when you look at the commitment to the deep state's existence, when you look at the surveillance state that they're fighting for in this country, I mean, you could...
	Nikki Haley's to Joe Biden's policies on a given day, you could put him blinders on and you couldn't tell.
	So I think Nikki Haley might even be more extreme in terms of, you know, disclosing identity for access to the Internet and reiterating.
	Of course.
	Or shipping our money to Ukraine or keeping the war machine humming.
	Absolutely.
	So, you know, and I think that for my part, I think any good America first candidate, I'm able to say this myself without second guessing.
	People like Nikki Haley or John Bolton or anybody else, let alone VP, is coming nowhere near my administration.
	And I think we've got to be able to say that with a spine.
	It's weird if we can't.
	And so I do.
	But what I'm going to say is, yes, it is a uniparty, but how do you overcome it?
	It's not through incremental reform.
	You have to be willing to get in there and shut it down.
	That's the answer.
	And so he's like, what are you, shut down the FBI?
	Actually, the answer is yes, shut down the FBI.
	Don't give them a new building.
	Don't just fire Christopher Wray and pretend we did something.
	Then you get James Comey 2.0.
	Shut it down.
	Now, how do you do that?
	I mean, I've got clear plans for this, and we've laid this out.
	There's 35,000 employees at the FBI.
	20,000 of them are back office bureaucrats in the J. Edgar Hoover building in Washington, D.C. That's where the corruption comes from.
	Send them home.
	Send them packing.
	The 15,000 cops on the front lines, we can move them to the U.S. Marshals, to the DEA, both of which have been far better at fighting child sex trafficking rings and the fentanyl epidemic than the FBI, the failed Bureau of Investigation, has been.
	And so, yes, this is at once deeply practical, but also it's going to take something that a president has the spine to do.
	Does the President have the authority to do it?
	Absolutely.
	And we can go to the legal details.
	There's a Presidential Reorganization Act in 1977 that says if there's redundant agencies, the President already has the power to shut it down.
	But no, I'm not going to put just Christopher Wray on top or Betsy DeVos on top and say, figure it out.
	The right answer is, shut it down.
	Day one, get into office.
	I'm talking about day one here.
	Cut half the bureaucrats on day one.
	Large, indiscriminate mass firings.
	They told Trump, you can't do this because of civil service protections.
	Well, read the law.
	Those civil service protections do not apply to mass firings.
	And yes, mass firings are what I'm bringing to Washington, D.C. I think what Javier Malay is doing in Argentina should hopefully make me look like that on steroids is what I want to bring to the United States.
	But that's the kind of spirit it's going to take.
	I was actually going to say that as a joke, that you're sort of like the more polite version of Javier Malay, but the policy that you're describing sounds very much like Javier Malay.
	Bigger chainsaw.
	But now I can see a Peter Stroke 2.0 sitting there saying, we need to have an insurance policy just in case Vivek becomes the leading candidate for the GOP.
	I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	I mean, I think that this can't be a...
	I mean, our movement has got to be bigger than one man.
	And I think that...
	Even when I think about who I would look for in my vice president, we have a pathetic tradition in modern history in this country that you make it somebody who's a potted plant, who you're not threatened by.
	Well, look, I mean, if I'm running as the nominee, I'm putting somebody in that seat who would be hopefully better than me in numerous respects.
	That's what it's actually going to take.
	And so I think the basic game plan right now of the system is make it a two-horse race.
	Basically, let's just be very explicit between Trump and Haley.
	Take Trump out one way, trot her out, and she's an even better puppet for them than Biden.
	They've lost their use for Biden.
	When it comes to the foreign war machine and when it comes to the surveillance state, she's actually better at advancing their agenda than Biden is.
	So even better, they claim to be nonpartisan.
	They get to prop her up.
	That's the current plan.
	Do not fall for that trick.
	And I think that that's a big part of why I'm in this.
	You could say, well, what if you play that forward and the same thing's true with me?
	Across the board, you know, they're going to...
	The system is going to stop at nothing to stop our movement, but our movement has got to be bigger than one man.
	It doesn't belong to me.
	It doesn't belong to Trump.
	It belongs to the people of this country.
	That's the answer.
	If you hypothetically were to accept any position in the Trump administration, what would be the ideal position that you would love to be in charge of?
	What kind of framing is that, man?
	Let me tell you something funny, then I'll answer honestly.
	This has got to be bigger than me or bigger than Trump.
	It's about our movement.
	And I will tell you this.
	Actually, there's a question I've gotten four times in the last two weeks.
	So you get one question, you get always crazy questions at these events.
	But four times in two weeks, you start to pay attention.
	There's a lot of people come to our events asking if I would make Trump my vice president.
	And I think that that's actually, if we don't view this as a hierarchy, right?
	If it's about ego, then it's about a hierarchy.
	But if you're viewing it about actually the country, I think that's actually not a crazy way to go.
	I want him as a mentor and as advisor.
	To help me understand where the bodies are buried, to be able to actually pick up where he left off and take this to the next level.
	He rolled that log over and we saw what crawled out.
	I'm bringing the pesticide, but I want his help in helping me decide where to aim it.
	And so I think that it's got to be bigger than our own individual egos.
	I believe I'm going to be best positioned to lead from the front.
	I think I can reach the next generation who is lost, directionless, rudderless for purpose and meaning, and I think I can reach them.
	I think these revolutions...
	I mean, Thomas Jefferson, for God's sake, was 33 years old when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.
	Ah, yes, but the life expectancy was only 55 back then.
	He went far later.
	He went far, far beyond that.
	Actually, most of our founding fathers lived late.
	A lot of other people got...
	But you know what?
	Even still, let me just tell you something.
	That even proves my point even further, right?
	I think it's got to be led by the next generation.
	But either way, I'm in this for the country.
	And, you know, I mean, look, I think that I don't hedge on this at a certain point.
	You only get to be an outsider once.
	And so maybe eight years from now, I'm going to have a few more extra pounds or gray hairs or tired legs.
	And maybe I'd be hedging on my responses, too.
	But I'm not hedging right now.
	I'm not going to reform the FBI.
	I'm going to shut it down.
	Nikki Haley is not going to be my vice president.
	She's not going to be my vice president.
	Neither will John Bolton or Lindsey Graham or Karl Rove or anybody else.
	I am going to strip pharmaceutical companies of their vaccine liability manufacturing exemptions.
	I will say by name, yes, Ron.
	Needs to get the hell out of the way and resign as the failed chairwoman of the RNC.
	And I can go on.
	I will pardon every peaceful protester from January 6th on day one.
	And I think at a certain point you've got to ask yourself, why am I the only candidate who can say these things?
	And I think it's because, look, you get to be an outsider once.
	I think that I'd rather lose an election than to win by playing some fake game of political snakes and ladders.
	And if you want somebody who's actually going to face down the deep state and speak truth to power...
	Then vote for somebody who's going to speak the truth to you.
	And so if Donald Trump and I were having a conversation, we'd say we'll leave it to the people and let the people decide.
	And, you know, as these people have suggested, would I take Trump as my advisor or vice president or whatever?
	And if not, if the people want it the other way, we flip-flop roles.
	I think that could be a reasonable conversation to have.
	But it's not about me and it's not about him.
	It's about the country.
	And I think we've got to take all of our egos out of it and do the right thing.
	And I'll give you my word that my ego isn't going to get in the way of this at any step of the way either because we owe it to this country.
	Pardon nonviolent Jan Sixers.
	I've actually come to the point now where even the violent ones who have been unreasonably sentenced, how do you deal with that?
	Yeah.
	So I've said on day one, like day one is not my presidency.
	On January 20th, 2025, every nonviolent or every peaceful protester would get a pardon.
	And then I've talked to the likes of Brandon Strzok, who's actually with me on this bus and otherwise, and he's actually helpful in opening my eyes to some of the processes of how some of these plea deals were struck.
	Under unfair conditions, with imperfect information, arguably with constitutional Brady rule violations and otherwise.
	So in those cases, I've said and I've pledged, I would go case by case.
	And any time there was a legal or due process violation or an unfair application of justice applying one standard of the rule of law that wasn't applied to other Americans, there could be additional pardons in addition to that.
	But I would go case by case to make that determination, even to those who had reached plea deals.
	Under false pretenses.
	And so I'm trying to be as precise as I can.
	On day one, most presidents will wait till the last day.
	And again, I'm talking about we've got to take America first to the next level here, right?
	Acting with an actual spine.
	The actual spine move here, and I'm the only candidate to say I would do is day one, every peaceful protester gets a pardon.
	And on day one, and even between now and then, as long as I'm able to get my hands on the information, we will go case by case to ensure we reach the just outcome for every one of those protesters.
	Regardless of how the government might have mischaracterized them.
	I like it.
	Vivek, I'm not hiding it.
	I like you.
	And even though there are many people out there who are skeptical because they accuse you of...
	Can I ask you a question about that?
	Absolutely, please.
	I mean, I would be...
	I'm naturally a skeptical person, too.
	And we're like now in 2024.
	And so I had a lot of patience for that for much of last year.
	My patience is starting to wear kind of thin just because we don't have a lot of time to work with here.
	I think we're about to fall in a trap that's laid for us.
	And so if I get a question about the damn Soros scholarship one more time where some other guy named, you know, Paul Soros, who's an independent guy with different political views, that's long dead when you're 24 and before I even knew who the hell George Soros really was, except a scholarship at the age of 24, people are obsessing over that.
	I just, I mean, I answered that question about 100 times last year.
	I think I'm pretty much done with that because we got a country to save.
	And so...
	I appreciate earnest patriots who are asking actual questions with a care for the country.
	What I've realized is a lot of this is cynical bullshit coming from Ron DeSantis' Super PAC, which Jeff Rowe and Never Back Down have been boasting about, fooling our MAGA base into this.
	And I just don't have a ton of patience for it.
	So I'd love to dispel that once and for all, because we've got a country to save.
	Well, first of all, that's my perspective of it as well.
	From what I've seen, a lot of it does not seem to be sincere or genuine.
	Cynical, actually.
	I don't know if you've seen this montage where you're alleged to have plagiarized from Obama's speech.
	Have you seen that?
	Yeah, I saw it.
	I took the words, e pluribus unum, means from may one.
	Oh, what a great Obama line.
	Turns out it's back to 1776, people.
	I was saying, like, I'm as cynical and skeptical as everyone else out there, and I'm like, you realize half of those expressions are not Obamas in the first place, and even when it came to Claudine Gay, I'm like, okay, I can give her the benefit of the doubt on some of this stuff because some of these are just forms figures of speech.
	So that's one of them.
	But I'm thoroughly convinced, and I was going to ask you this actually, you know definitively that there are certain camps out there that are using bot accounts, fake social media engagements.
	That is, in fact, a thing on the presidential campaign?
	Yeah, and it was specifically Ron DeSantis' super PAC.
	And I can't even blame Ron DeSantis in the sense it might have just been his independent super PAC.
	But the guy, I mean, was...
	And that's been a shit show anyway.
	That whole thing has fallen apart and imploded on the face of its own ignominy.
	And Jeff Rowe would never back down.
	I mean, that thing's been a mess.
	But they were bragging for months.
	I mean, we've been spreading dirt on Rama Swami, and they have been.
	It was just completely false stuff.
	Now, Ron DeSantis is sort of a fake MAGA effigy that they held up for a while, and America First isn't some costume you wear on TV.
	And I think our base eventually wisened up to that.
	But that was actually where a lot of this nonsense came from, and our base did actually, at least for the time being, unfortunately was duped by a lot of that falsehoods coming from the Never Back Down super PAC.
	But you know what?
	Earnest patriots who were skeptical of somebody new, I always, I will always respect that.
	We have a government that's lied to us for a long time.
	We should be cynical.
	I'm asking people to be cynical about what's happening right now this year standing in front of us because I do believe we're on track to walk into a trap right now.
	But at a certain point, people got to do their homework and open up their eyes because we have a country disabled.
	We don't have a lot of time to differ around.
	And so what I've realized is a lot of what I took as earnest feedback that I spent 100 times over answering a lot of these questions, 60-70% of it was coming from cynical forces anyway.
	And for the 30% who are actual patriots who care about this country, all I would say is open your eyes, don't be duped.
	Always ask the right questions, but also level up to do the work to actually get to the bottom of the answers yourself.
	And that's how we're going to save this country, is we can't all be sheep.
	A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
	And that's, by the way, what the Second Amendment's about in the first place.
	But we've got to be worthy of that Constitution and that Second Amendment.
	And so let's level up and make sure that we don't fall for the tricks that have been laid for us.
	I have my own conspiracy theory that it's actually an attempt to sabotage DeSantis and at the same time so sufficient discord among the GOP conservative base that they can't rally together after they have one candidate that has won the primary.
	Because nothing else can explain it.
	I'm not blaming Ron DeSantis, but it's a super PAC that actually has almost in some ways exploited him.
	And the one that fell apart is also the one that, at least for a couple months, I think they duped a lot of people in our own base with a lot of the falsehoods.
	That never backed down and the political cesspool behind it was actually pushing.
	And now I'm going to ask you this.
	It's not a dig whatsoever.
	I don't believe the polls myself in any event.
	How do you account for the fact that you are barely ahead of Chris Christie and allegedly so far behind Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis?
	Do you believe the polls and or do you believe there's something else at play?
	I actually really don't believe the polls.
	And so the first indication of that, we'll see what happens in Iowa.
	If what happens in Iowa doesn't match the polls, I think the rest of the polls you can throw them out the window.
	I see a lot of manipulation, but we're now, what, 10 days or so, or less than 10 days away from that anyway.
	Might as well just wait for that to play out rather than me surmising all of that.
	Great.
	We'll get to see what happens on January 15th.
	I think it's going to be a massive surprise.
	And if I'm right about that, you can take the rest of the polls and flush them down the toilet as well.
	It's all a rigged game.
	And I think that, look...
	At the start of this campaign, let's be really honest, a lot of people, nobody, almost nobody except for the people who've been following me.
	I mean, I've written books over the last several years.
	And actually, one thing I will say, man, is for the people who are sort of, well, they came out of nowhere, not quite, actually.
	Take a look.
	I've written three books all the way back to my first one, and you can take a look at that.
	But most people didn't know who I was.
	And so, you know, even, I mean, people now, a lot of whom still don't know me or have barely heard my last name and have no idea how to pronounce it.
	So I think there's some element of that.
	But I think at some point, I think these polls are way off as well.
	And so the first taste of that we're going to see, I think, is on January 15th at the Iowa caucus.
	And I think we're actually getting to our next event, man.
	So I think I might have to roll pretty soon.
	I'm just looking at my notes to make sure I got everything.
	And I think I did get everything.
	Next on the schedule, you're going to have, not a town hall, but you're going to have an open, some sort of discussion with Tim Poole in front of a crowd on Monday evening.
	It's going to be amazing.
	And then what's next on the schedule on the campaign trail?
	We've got a bunch of events.
	We're doing a rally at the statehouse.
	Actually, one of them is opposing the carbon capture pipeline here in Iowa at the state capitol building.
	That's going to be on January 10th.
	I mean, we've got packed events.
	It'll be 330-plus events that I would have done in Iowa by the time of the Iowa caucus, more than the other candidates all combined.
	So it's a full packed house on this bus, crisscrossing this state, now through January 15th.
	Then the New Hampshire primaries on January 23rd.
	And after that, that's where the system wants it to be down to a two-horse race between Trump and Haley, but it won't be because I'm in this to the very end, and I owe it to our country to make it so.
	And so we're going to have events every day, but the Tim Pool one with that live audience in Iowa should be pretty fun, and I think we're going to be pretty unrestrained, to say the least.
	I will definitely be watching that without a question.
	And for anybody who hasn't seen, I was just listening to your podcast with Jordan Peterson.
	Best podcast ever.
	Not an hour, but an hour in.
	It's amazing.
	I mean...
	I don't know what other candidates do long-format, sit-down, you know, philosophical discussions, and I'm skeptical of any candidate that doesn't do it.
	Everyone should go listen to that, but Vivek, I mean, thank you.
	Come back whenever, please, because it's amazing.
	And I've gotten all my questions out, so next time it'll just be discussing gossip and news and what the latest on the trail is.
	Awesome.
	All right, go.
	Have a good one.
	See you soon.
	Talk to you.
	Bye-bye.
	That's right.
	End it.
	End it.
	Boom.
	Now I no longer hear it even in my own ears.
	Now, I have in the interim eaten dinner.
	My wife, she has listened to Vivek Ramaswamy and she likes him.
	She likes him.
	She likes his analysis as to when life begins.
	Not that it matters.
	Hold on one second.
	I think I'm in trouble.
	Am I in trouble?
	Who are you talking to?
	I'm going live to end the stream.
	People, I'm in so much trouble.
	I left the dinner table.
	I left the dinner table to end the stream, and then she heard me live off the phone on the dinner table and realized I was no longer at the dinner table.
	All right.
	We're ending this stream now, people.
	That is it.
	You've heard the interview.
	I'm going to go upload the interview in its entirety.
	It'll be better digital internet format.
	I'm in so much trouble.
	You guys have no idea.
	Thank you all for being here.
	Sunday night is going to be a good stream for our first of the New Year's.
	I'm in so much trouble.
	I said I was going to the bathroom and then I crawled into the office.
	I like Vivek, but not 100%.
	Thank you, Viva and Vivek.
	Timothy Locke, we got a nice interview.
	That's from Nozeal.
	Okay, I'm going to end the stream now and I'm going to go finish dinner.
	Thank you all for being here.
	I'm going to upload the interview in its entirety, singularly, to both Rumble and YouTube, and vivabarslaw.locals.com, and Twitter!
	And that's it.
	Okay, we're going to end this, everybody.
	The effects in the doghouse.
	Viva's in the doghouse is what's going on.
	Okay, go and enjoy the evening, and I'm going to go finish what's left of my steak.
	I fried up.
	I had to pan fry a steak because I couldn't make a barbecue in time.
	Oh my gosh!
	That's what she's so angry about.
	That I had to pan fry a steak and not make a barbecue.
	She's not angry.
	I'm gonna go.
	I'm in trouble.
	I'm in big trouble.
	Okay.
	Go.
	Good night.
	See you all soon.

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