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Nov. 29, 2023 - Viva & Barnes

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Interview with Jacob Angeli-Chansley - "Q-Anon Shaman" - Jan. 6 Injustice AND BEYOND! Viva Frei Live

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	Well, it has to be better coordination.
	You know, what we've seen is a very raggedy form instituted by right-wing extremism.
	Everyone knows that the right-wing extremism in this country has targeted democratically-ran cities, and quite frankly, they've been very intentional about going after democratically-ran cities that are led by people of color.
	And their whole motivation is to create disruption and chaos.
	Because that's what that particular party has been about.
	This is the same political party that did not want to accept that President Obama was actually an American.
	It's the same Republican right-wing extremism that stormed the Capitol.
	It's the same right-wing extremism that refuses to accept the result of the Civil War.
	It's raggedy.
	It's disrespectful.
	It's un-spirited.
	It's an unclean spirit, quite frankly.
	Unclean?
	And so, I got you.
	I just want to make sure that people understand what we're facing.
	That's why it's so important that the faith community is leaning in in this moment.
	I want you to understand what the world...
	Sorry, I took myself out.
	The crime that you're seeing in big blue cities, it's extreme, it's raggedy, unclean, extreme far-right people.
	It's Republicans, by the way.
	Crime in Democrat-run cities is Republicans' fault.
	Raggedy?
	What did he say?
	Unclean?
	Can you imagine?
	It's madness.
	Hold on, I just gotta play this one more time.
	It's Hakeem Jeffries.
	Extreme MAGA Republicans.
	Extreme MAGA Republicans.
	Why is our food so expensive?
	Extreme MAGA Republicans.
	Why are they looting the stores in downtown Chicago?
	Extreme MAGA Republicans.
	Well, it has to be better coronation.
	You know, what we've seen is a very raggedy form instituted by right-wing extremism.
	Right-wing extremism.
	Everyone knows that right-wing extremism in this country has targeted democratically-ran cities.
	And quite frankly, we've been very intentional about going after democratically-ran cities that are led by people of color.
	That's enough.
	That's enough of that absolute.
	Horse crap.
	It's a joke.
	It's like the Russians pooped in my pants.
	This is the level of scapegoating, blaming, demonizing, blaming others for your own failings.
	It is...
	You thought it couldn't get any worse than Lori Lightfoot.
	Holy crab apples, people.
	You get what you vote for and then sometimes you get a little more.
	Okay.
	Today's show is going to be amazing.
	One of those interviews that happens of a man or a story, a person.
	It could be a man, woman, whatever.
	A story that I've been following from day one.
	I remember live streaming with Barnes day one of the January 6th insurrection.
	And Barnes was in...
	He wasn't in D.C. He was just on the outskirts.
	And we've seen this progress from day one from...
	What was, I mean, effectively nothing worse than a bad hockey riot, which we've had a few of up in Canada, to the biggest political persecution in the history of America, as far as I'm concerned, or if not the up there.
	And one of the stories, the man dubbed the QAnon shaman, the face of the January 6th insurrection, the most violentest insurrection that happened to be unarmed, although I think Jacob Chansley was armed with an American flag.
	On a spear, which I believe was qualified as a weapon with which he ate.
	So now, let me just, I mean, if I'm keeping track, we've had Brandon Strachan.
	We've had Lectern Guy Johnson.
	We've had Lectern Guy on.
	We've had Tarek Johnson, the Capitol Police officer, lieutenant, who now no longer talking about this.
	And today we have Jacob Chansley.
	Jacob Anjeli Chansley.
	The face of the insurrection got what was a ridiculously harsh sentence, treatment that was ridiculously unfair, and he's going to tell his story today.
	I'm going to double-check the audio levels, people, and please don't troll, although that is probably the biggest indication that people are going to troll.
	I think I've adjusted my gain, so the volume should be level.
	I'll adjust it if I need to.
	Jacob is in the background.
	It's going to be Jake, Jacob, or I am not calling him the QAnon shaman.
	Any longer.
	Because now I've listened to one podcast, and I understand now the origin.
	I understood the origin of the QAnon shaman.
	Labels are easy to affix, and then everybody knows what they're dealing with.
	He's going to quit yelling.
	Jeez Louise.
	Okay, I am bringing in the man of the hour, Jake Angeli Chansley.
	Sir, coming in.
	All right, sir, how goes the battle?
	Oh, you know, one day at a time, one mind at a time.
	Now I'm gonna make sure, I'll let the chat tell me if our audio is balanced.
	You are surprisingly young.
	I think I'm shocked.
	How old are you?
	I'm 36. You're not that young.
	You just look young.
	You look young after everything you've been through.
	Holy cows.
	Okay, I'm gonna pin a lot of the comments here because people are gonna have questions and I've got...
	I've got a lot of questions in our locals community if I don't get to them, but I'm going to get to all of them.
	Jacob, people know who you are, but the 30,000-foot overview, for those who may be seeing you or hear you speak for the first time, who are you?
	I am a spiritual activist, a shamanic practitioner, a published author.
	I am an entrepreneur.
	I'm a human being trying to do the right thing.
	36 years old.
	Were you born and raised in Arizona?
	Yes, born and raised in Phoenix in District 8, which is the district that I'm running for Congress in.
	Well, their answer is one of the questions from our locals community.
	They said, are you going to run for office?
	And I knew that you were.
	At least I thought I remembered it from your profile.
	36, born and raised in Arizona.
	Now, hold on.
	How many siblings do you have?
	And what do your parents do?
	I have two siblings younger.
	One of my parents is dead.
	My mother, she's doing well.
	She's a teacher at an aesthetic school.
	And yeah, that's pretty much it.
	I try to keep my family out of things.
	They're not politically active.
	Though they are supportive of me as an individual, they don't really dabble in politics or activism.
	Well, I guess they got forced into it.
	A name like Anjeli Chansley, it's not exactly the most common of last names, so I guess they were forced into this by circumstance.
	Without getting too much into it, but I like to understand how someone got to where they are in life.
	What kind of kid were you?
	What was your childhood like?
	Were you a troublemaker?
	Were you always into...
	I mean, we're going to get into the shaman thing in a bit, but we're going to get into the January 6th stuff in depth.
	But what type of childhood?
	Normal?
	Were you a troublemaker?
	Let us know.
	No, I wasn't a troublemaker.
	I was a very inquisitive child.
	I thought very deeply on things, whether they be spiritual or otherwise.
	At five years old, I wanted to know who God was, what God was, where God was, how God was, why the world is so screwed up if God is real.
	And I never got satisfactory answers from my parents, from religion, or from schools.
	So I went about a lifelong search for the truth and have come to find much of the truth that I was seeking.
	Well, actually, good, interesting segue.
	Did you grow up religious or not at all?
	Well, my mom tried to raise me and my brother's Catholic until she realized that wasn't working very well.
	So you remember at the age of five, like, asking the existential questions of what happens to the bad people on this earth?
	Well, more so, why is the world the way that it is?
	Who is God?
	Where is God?
	What is God?
	How did God come into being?
	If God is real, why is the world the way that it is?
	And the conclusion I've come to is that God doesn't make the world this way.
	We do.
	Alright, now this is going to segue into the shamanism.
	We don't need to get into university, high school, but how do you get into...
	First of all, what is shamanism?
	How do you get into it?
	And then how did it lead you to that infamous day of January 6th?
	Well, I've always been interested in shamanism ever since I was a child.
	I have Native American blood in me.
	I have Cheyenne blood.
	But I've always been interested in what it is that the medicine men knew.
	I knew that those guys wearing headdresses and horns or feathers, like they knew something.
	And it was something that we had lost.
	Here in this country or in the West in general, something we had lost is humanity, and I wanted to know what it was.
	So that was where the curiosity started.
	As for what shamanism is...
	The term shaman is a Siberian or Mongolian term.
	It simply means the one who knows.
	And it was a label given to all indigenous belief systems by anthropologists because they noticed that they all believed in very similar things.
	For example, in shamanistic cultures, which shamanism is the oldest religion in the world, it's the first religion.
	So I wanted to go to the roots of all religions.
	I studied pretty much every religion there is on the planet, and I came to find that they all have shamanic roots.
	So all shamanistic cultures believe in, number one, a unifying field of life, whether they call it the Great Spirit or God or whatever, they all believe in a unified field or an energetic field that permeates all things with life.
	Number two, they believe in the spirit world.
	Number three, they all believe in the power of healing.
	Number four, they all believe in the notion of prayer and meditation to get in touch and in tune with the spirit world, to ally themselves with angelic spirits, to explore the spirit world, to become one with God.
	Another thing is...
	They also all believe in the power of song and dance, singing and drumming.
	As a means of getting into a trance-like state that allows them to dissolve the illusions of separation.
	They also all believe in sacraments and the idea of there being sacramental plants or fungi or something like that.
	Whether it be incense or consumables or what have you.
	Things that can help them to heal or things that can give them an altered state of consciousness.
	Allow them to get in touch with the spirit world.
	And they also all believe in...
	Like ordeals, going through prolonged ordeals or strategic suffering in a way so that they can avoid negative timelines for themselves and the tribe.
	So if you look at all religions around the world, they all believe at their roots these same principles.
	They just have different ways of explaining it using their different tongues and different labels.
	I'm going to get to a lot of the chat, which you're not sensitive.
	I presume at this point you're not sensitive to stuff in the chat, but it seems that you've brought out some people who were making accusations, which we're going to get to in a bit.
	Before January 6th, let's back this all up.
	You're into this long before January 6th.
	You didn't just show up that day dressed the way you did.
	What are you doing?
	Let's just say pre-COVID.
	What are you doing in life pre-COVID?
	And then what happens after COVID hits leading up to January 6th?
	Well, yeah, I've been dressing in my shamanic regalia for over 10 years, and I've been a spiritual activist for quite some time.
	Now, prior to COVID, I was working in group homes with troubled teen boys, and I did that for six and a half years.
	And I also went down to my Arizona State Capitol, all by myself, mind you, in my shamanic regalia, banging my drum, singing my shamanic song, and then basically giving the puppets, the political puppets in power, quite the tongue lashing.
	So helping kids for six and a half years as a full-time job, or is that volunteer work?
	No, yeah.
	And I also did volunteer work, but yes, as a full-time job.
	And then I did volunteer work on the side working with traumatized children doing art therapy.
	I've got to ask you why.
	How do you even find your way into that very specific...
	I presume it's spiritually fulfilling, but not financially fulfilling.
	How do you find yourself in that field?
	Yes, it is not financially fulfilling, but I store my treasure in heaven.
	So I'm not so concerned about financial wealth.
	I'd rather have spiritual wealth any day.
	And I've accumulated what I can as far as spiritual wealth.
	And God has saw fit to keep me financially stable.
	I got into it because I care about children.
	I care about future generations.
	I know that...
	If we don't help our children, then they are doomed.
	If we don't help our children, if we don't...
	It's a part of shamanic culture is to think seven generations ahead.
	So we have to ask ourselves, given the current trajectory for society, where will we be seven generations from now?
	And that was a question that, you know, continued to resurface in my mind over and over again.
	And because I have a great love for, you know, helping and protecting children and because I wanted to give them a positive male role model, especially these teen boys that were fresh out of juvenile detention centers, taken out of abusive homes, taken out of homes due to neglect and stuff like that.
	I wanted to give them a positive male role model, one like, you know, that they've never had before.
	That's fascinating.
	And now this might actually explain...
	So you're doing this for six and a half years, then COVID hits.
	What does your life look like from the day, you know, so let's just say March 2020 to January 6, 2021?
	That's when it happened, right?
	Yeah.
	So what happened?
	Are you shut out of doing what you were doing for the last six years because of COVID?
	Well, I quit working with children in group homes shortly after I was chased out of one of the group homes by a kid that broke into the knife cabinet and started chasing me around the house with it.
	He's a 16-year-old boy, and he was upset because I took his phone and his computer privileges.
	And so he decided to break into the cabinet.
	He pulled out a knife and then started to chase me around the house with it while I was on the phone with police officers, letting them know what was going on.
	And the thing is, is that if he would have started attacking me with a knife and if I would have defended myself, then I would have gone to prison for assault on a minor.
	There's that, and then there's also the added factor that shortly after the young man was arrested, the CPS system and the police officers wanted to bring him back to the group home that I was working at.
	And so here's this kid that's chasing me around the house with a knife, and CPS and the police want to bring him back to the house with me in it?
	You know, and so I weighed all the options and I thought to myself, you know, I'm getting paid minimum wage here.
	And clearly, I, you know, I'm putting myself in a vulnerable position.
	I've been doing this for six and a half years.
	So shortly before I decided to leave that job, I created a voiceover profile and an acting profile online to do some sort of like something fun.
	You know, it's crazy.
	And this is part of the reason why I have an affinity for police officers, because the more effective I was at doing my job and reinforcing the rules that were in the group home, the more they didn't like me, you know?
	So I kind of have a sympathy for police officers because the more effective they are at their jobs and the more people don't like them.
	I worked with a lot of police officers when I was in group homes and their job is difficult.
	I wanted to do something fun.
	I got some work doing voiceover work.
	I never did any actual acting work.
	It was just something like, well, this seems like fun and maybe I could make some money on the side.
	So that's how that ended.
	Then I had a YouTube channel for a while.
	I started in 2018.
	And then in 2020, as I saw them rolling out, The New World Order totalitarian agenda, I realized, okay, you know, this is it.
	They're really going for it here.
	And so I really went, you know, full steam ahead with my YouTube.
	I published my book that I had written in 2017 called One Mind at a Time, A Deep State of Illusion.
	That book is very, very profound.
	I would encourage anyone that thinks that they have the courage and the capacity to fathom and grasp the totality of the situation to read that book because it's only 150 pages and it's only $9.99 on Amazon.
	Do you have an audiobook and do you read the audiobook?
	No, no, I don't.
	Sorry.
	Then I can't read it.
	I'm joking.
	I'm not joking.
	It is short.
	The chapters are...
	Brief, and they all blend together.
	So you can read a page or two and then set it down and mentally digest what you just read.
	And it's basically a revealing of exactly what the deep state is, who is behind it, how it operates, and how we can solve the problems of the deep state or the shadow government.
	What JFK called the tightly knit, highly efficient machine.
	What Eisenhower called the military industrial complex.
	What Republicans now are calling the swamp.
	So I published that in 2020.
	I also went full steam ahead with my YouTube.
	I began just basically totally exposing what the deep state was.
	Much of the stuff that was in my book or that didn't make it into my book was being discussed on my YouTube channel, which got taken down.
	And then I had to start a new one.
	And I also started a Rumble channel because I didn't want to have to.
	I got myself up to like 11,000 followers.
	And then, you know, lo and behold, One day I'd wake up and, oh, I'm missing a thousand followers on YouTube.
	What happened?
	So I was definitely shadow banned.
	They were definitely culling my following.
	So I started a rumble and just started becoming a spiritual activist in every way.
	I was going to pretty much every Trump rally.
	I went to a climate change rally to basically tell them that they're being lied to and that Carbon emissions is not the problem.
	The problem is anthropogenic chemicals, or forever chemicals, bioaccumulating the ecosystem to toxic levels, destroying the microbiological life in the soil, the water, the air, and in our bodies, causing disease, causing ecocide, causing mass extinctions.
	They didn't like that very much.
	They wanted to believe the BS.
	And then I also went to a couple BLM Antifa rallies here in Arizona as a counter-protester, marching with the police.
	I had my sign.
	My Q sent me sign.
	I was in my regalia marching with the police because if they're going to come into my city and they're going to, you know, do their thing, well, then you better believe that I'm going to be there and make my presence known.
	You're not coming into my city and, you know, trying to riot or attack police officers.
	At least now I'm understanding there's someone in here who's convinced you're a paid actor, but...
	At the very least, now it makes sense in terms of where the accusation of...
	You might actually be an attempted actor.
	What did you do voiceover for?
	Oh, I can do over 30 different voices and accents.
	So I was on...
	You have a very...
	The way you speak actually reminds me a lot of Owen Schroer.
	It's a good radio voice, crisp enunciation.
	So you did some voiceover work.
	And there's no shame in that.
	People think like...
	I don't know what people think.
	Is work that is not critical or blameworthy work.
	But actually, just back it up a little bit.
	2017, you say the voiceover, YouTube stuff.
	When do you get into discovering the world for what it is?
	When I listen to you on Malice, you know, we're now all sort of awakened to a similar degree.
	You're familiar with how corrupt the government has been historically from JFK to modern day.
	When did that awakening happen for you?
	Well, my dad was a staunch Republican.
	He was an avid Rush Limbaugh enthusiast and listener every day.
	And so I grew up in a conservative household.
	We watched Fox News at the dinner table.
	And so I was raised to support George W. Bush, support the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
	And then my grandfather showed me a documentary on 9-11.
	Give any theories as to what happened.
	It just poked a bunch of holes in the narrative through asking questions because the story we're given is BS.
	It's clear.
	The physics of it just don't work.
	There's all sorts of other things that just don't make sense.
	So after that, I think I was 17, 16 or 17 at the time.
	After that, I had such a cognitive dissonance because...
	People like Rush Limbaugh and George Bush were pro-war in Iraq, pro-war in Afghanistan, pro the 9-11 narrative.
	But that created enough questions in my mind to create a cognitive dissonance that started to tear through the veils.
	And after that, I started to really question everything.
	And the spiritual nature to my revelations about where we were going as a society, What was to come in the future and stuff like that also played a role.
	So that was where it started.
	When it comes to really waking up intensely, it was shortly after I got home from the Navy that I really started to understand the debt-based fiat currency.
	Families like the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the New World Order Agenda, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, the role of the United Nations, the IMF, the CFR, Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, all that stuff, Bohemian Grove, it all started to open up for me.
	And that veil, that hole that was torn in the veil when I was young began to get larger and larger.
	You said when you got home from the Navy, and this is what I get for not delving far enough into your childhood and upbringing, you served in the military?
	Yeah, I did two years in the United States Navy, on board the USS Kitty Hawk CV-63.
	I was a part of the hazmat division and the maintenance division for the supply department.
	So two years service doesn't mean two years on a ship, right?
	To a nincompoop like myself?
	No, no.
	I did about...
	I think like a year and six months or something like that.
	Maybe more on a ship.
	I'm sorry.
	So 18 months on a ship continually away from home.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was forward deployed in Japan.
	So, you know, going home was not a drive away.
	I had to fly across the ocean to go home.
	So I spent a little over a year in Japan before I went home on leave.
	OK, amazing.
	No reprimands in your service?
	You had a clean record?
	No criminal record?
	Well, kind of.
	Yeah, I never got in any trouble except for when I refused to take the anthrax vaccine.
	And that's why I was administratively separated, because I refused a lawful order.
	They told me, you've got to take this vaccine.
	I said, no, I've done my research.
	I'm not taking that.
	People are dying.
	People are crippled due to blood clots in their legs.
	One in 500 males become sterile.
	And you want me to take four of these things?
	I think I'll pass.
	And so I got a general discharge under honorable conditions.
	So in that sense, I was refusing vaccines before it was trendy.
	What year was that in?
	Oh, 2007.
	I don't even understand this.
	Why are they administering an anthrax vaccine in the event that you become exposed to anthrax in the context of your service?
	Well, yeah.
	So because we're a forward deployed vessel, they required forward deployed vessels to receive the anthrax vaccine.
	And it's the same thing like if somebody is going to go into Iraq or Afghanistan, they were required.
	But here's the thing.
	And this is also part of the reason why I didn't take it.
	Not just because of all these negative side effects.
	But with the anthrax vaccine, the vaccine itself only protects somebody from the skin-borne illness.
	So it's usually given to farmers and stuff because they work with a lot of cattle and a lot of hide and stuff like that.
	And the anthrax spore will get on their skin and give them blemishes and stuff like that.
	So that's all it protects against.
	It does not protect against the airborne...
	The airborne attack that would end up going into a person's lungs.
	And that is the way that a ship or troops or whatever would be attacked.
	So why am I going to take a vaccine that's not going to protect me from any sort of an attack and has all these negative side effects?
	It's almost like God was preparing me for the COVID crap.
	Because not only is it not protecting anybody from the virus, but it has all these adverse side effects.
	That's fascinating.
	I never even thought of that.
	But you defied a lawful order, which makes you persona non grata in the military, which is about doing as you're told without questioning.
	This is going to be continued, Jake.
	This doesn't change anything on our end.
	I'm just going to end on YouTube now and come on over to Rumble, everybody, because that's where we're going to carry this on.
	So you are ending on YouTube in 3, 2, 1. So you're administratively separated.
	This is 2007.
	The next six years or so, we've understood.
	You've had your awakening.
	You've seen...
	I just had on Justin Trudeau's half-brother on Monday, Kyle Kemper.
	And he says, you know, his family thought he was one of the 9-11 deniers or whatever.
	And he's like, I said, well, what do you think is the actual truth as opposed to the official narrative?
	And he says, well, don't even need to get there.
	I don't believe Building 7 came down as per the narrative.
	Therefore...
	We have some legitimate questions that remain unanswered.
	So you're into it.
	You're aware of all of this.
	You see the way the world is going.
	Okay, you try to do some voiceover work.
	You try to do some acting stuff.
	It's easy.
	You're a very good-looking man chiseled.
	You could still do it now, but you might be persona non grata in Hollywood for the rest of eternity.
	COVID hits.
	And I don't like pedophiles very much.
	That kind of omits me.
	I gotta say, I can't even watch Hollywood movies anymore.
	I feel dirty watching them.
	I was trying to, like, introduce my kid, my oldest, to, like, the classic Hollywood movies.
	I was like, well, you know, Taxi Driver.
	I rewatched it.
	I was like, holy shit.
	She was an actual 12-year-old kid.
	Lord knows what happened.
	I don't ask questions.
	Okay, so now, 2020 hits.
	The world gets shut down.
	What happens to your world?
	Where are you?
	And what does the next year of your life look like?
	Well, I was going out in the streets of Phoenix and screaming, COVID lockdowns are bullshit.
	And, you know, I can be very loud.
	I don't need a megaphone.
	That's part of my, one of my shamanic gifts is my ability to project my voice to high, high volume.
	So I was going to certain portions of downtown Phoenix and just basically going on these rants.
	Calling out the Deep State New World Order agenda, going in front of the Mockingbird Media buildings in downtown Phoenix, like Arizona Republic 12 News and stuff like that, calling them out.
	Calling out AT&T for the 5G rollout.
	All sorts of stuff.
	Going down to the Arizona State Capitol and calling them out for the lockdowns and the mask mandates and all of that stuff.
	So I was basically active all the time.
	At least three to...
	Well, no, because even in the mornings, I would go down to Arrowhead Mall, which Arrowhead Mall is a mall in, I believe it's Glendale, Arizona, which is like a suburb of Phoenix.
	Maybe it's Peoria.
	And they have the pedophile triangle symbol as their logo at Arrowhead Mall.
	And they also have family restrooms.
	By which there is this pedophile symbol right by these restrooms.
	And so I was going down to like, you know, that area of Phoenix and just basically like holding a sign, calling them out in my regalia, in my face, painting horns, you know, dancing in the streets, dude, you know, dancing on the street corner, getting everybody's attention.
	Like what, why is Arrowhead Mall using this pedophile symbol as their logo?
	You know?
	So I was doing that.
	Just because I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to certain things, are we looking at the type of pedophile triangle is the one here?
	Well, this thing right here, right?
	It's that blue one right there that you have your cursor on.
	Okay, fine.
	Just look up Arrowhead Mall, Phoenix, Arizona.
	Okay, give me one second.
	I'll do that while you continue.
	Check it out.
	Look and see what it is.
	What's crazy, really quick, what's crazy is I talked to somebody that used to work at Arrowhead Mall.
	And she said that while she was working there, she found that there were all sorts of reports of children going missing.
	Arrowhead Mall, Phoenix.
	Let me ask the...
	For my own curiosity, not to delve into finances, but you're doing this.
	This is unpaid work, for lack of two better words.
	What are you doing to make ends meet, to survive financially while you're doing this type of...
	I didn't know you were doing this, but this type of stuff, what are you doing to make ends meet?
	Well, at the time, I just had my website up.
	At the time, it was called Starseed Academy.
	Spiritual counseling and people could take courses and stuff like that.
	But I wasn't working with kids anymore.
	And because of the COVID crap, the volunteer work I was doing with children was done and over with.
	So I was largely self-employed.
	Okay.
	And the other thing is, I never got any acting work.
	I mean, for anybody that looks at my acting profile, I challenge you.
	Look and see.
	Do I have a long resume?
	Did I go to acting school?
	Do those photos that are up look like professional headshots, or did they look like pictures that were taken inside of my apartment?
	I thought the accusation is they think you're a paid agitator, a paid actor, in that sense, for January 6th.
	My obvious retort is most paid actors or agitators get the Ray Epps treatment, not the QAnon shaman treatment.
	Most paid actors don't go to jail for that long.
	This is it right here.
	This is the arrowhead mole?
	Yeah, there you go.
	Now, in fairness, Jake, let me play devil's advocate.
	It looks like an arrowhead.
	It's an A. And I don't know that most people know that that's related to pedophilia.
	Well, scroll down a little bit to the left.
	Oh, isn't that a pyramid right there at Arrowhead Mall?
	Very interesting.
	Oh, and you see that arrowhead right next to that?
	That logo?
	That's right by the bathrooms.
	That's right by the bathrooms.
	Holy crap, do I have to go down a rabbit hole after this stream?
	Okay.
	Uh, so you're doing that, um, for the better, I guess you're doing that on and off for a year until January 6th.
	Yeah.
	So, um, you know, I was being a spiritual activist.
	I was, you know, going down to my capital, which Arizona capital, just like DC, just like all the nation's capitals are built on ley lines.
	So, um, are you familiar with the ley lines?
	No, I'm still blown away by the triangles at Arrowhead Mall.
	Yeah, tell me about it.
	When I saw it, I was like, what the hell?
	What are the ley lines?
	The ley lines are where all the pyramids, obelisks, ancient temples, medicine wheels, sacred sites all around the planet are.
	The Washington, D.C. is built on ley lines.
	We have the obelisk, the Washington Monument.
	We have the obelisk.
	We have the Capitol Building, the White House, the Lincoln Memorial, the Supreme Court, the Pentagon, the Jefferson Memorial.
	All these things are built on ley lines.
	And all of them are designed to channel sound or to affect the grid, the electromagnetic grid of the planet.
	So by going to D.C., by going down to the Arizona State Capitol, It was my intention as a shamanic practitioner who understands the role of these ley lines and understands that the buildings on them are sacred sites, kind of like modern temples to the worship of the rational mind.
	I chose to go down to these locations and perform my shamanic ceremonies, banging my drums, singing my song, giving these...
	Politician puppets, tongue lashing, doing prayer and meditation because it's about affecting the ley lines and thus affecting the global consciousness of the humanity and the planet.
	Ley lines.
	Are these things inherent or are they constructed?
	No, no.
	They're a natural part of the ecosystem.
	L-E-Y-L-I-N-E-S.
	Ley lines.
	L-E-Y.
	Okay.
	Yeah, ley lines.
	And they're all over the world.
	Every single pyramid all over the planet is built on these things.
	Every single obelisk built on these things.
	Every single medicine wheel built on these things.
	All these ancient temples built on the ley lines.
	But hold on.
	I think I see an image.
	I just want to make sure I understand this just for my own benefit or my own edification.
	Are ley lines just geometric lines that can be drawn between arbitrary points?
	Or what's the natural phenomenon that makes a ley line a ley line?
	So look at it like this.
	The Earth is surrounded by an electromagnetic field, yeah?
	Yes.
	Okay, so that means that this electromagnetic field that surrounds the Earth goes all the way down to the core.
	Now, that also means that there are portions and places on the planet where these ley lines cross on the crust.
	And where these electromagnetic lines cross, they have built pyramids.
	They have built obelisks to channel that electromagnetic energy through...
	The building or through the obelisk or temple.
	And so I guess the interesting question then from the pyramid perspective is how they knew where the ley lines were 5,000 years ago or more, depending on when you think the pyramids were built.
	Well, yeah, the pyramids are far older than that.
	So there's a number of ways of telling.
	For example, the Australian Aborigines actually were able to see the ley lines.
	Their third eyes were so open that they were able to perceive the ley lines with their third eye and they used them to navigate the Australian outback almost like highways.
	Now, if we set that aside, then we can go into things like the fact that they had compasses back in the day, didn't they?
	You know what I'm saying?
	They understood the idea of north, south, east, west.
	And there's also things like you can use metal and stuff like that as a way of finding these things.
	And as you walk, the metal will turn to go with the ley line.
	So there's all sorts of ways.
	Now we have modern digital devices.
	And if you really look into things like ancient Egypt, it's clear.
	Very clear to anybody that thinks for themselves that they obviously had electricity.
	They had machines in order to carve the granite and stuff like that that they were shaping their statues with and stuff like that.
	Our species is far older.
	Our civilization is far older than history has allowed us to believe.
	If you think fake news is crazy, wait until people get a load of fake science and fake history.
	I've listened to...
	Rogan talk about, you know, the pyramids predating the thought of year, but, you know, the year of construction by 10,000 years.
	Human development, human history pre-existing by hundreds of thousands of years.
	And I got to say this, I know some of what you're saying is going to come off as, just for lack of a better word, crazy to people who are not into discussion about vibrations, third eyes, et cetera, et cetera.
	I know, I mean, A, I no longer think it's crazy, but B, I also no longer believe history as it was taught to me, which is a very, very unsettling thing.
	One thing I've got to ask also, I had it on my back burner, the AT&T, the 5G towers.
	I've heard a number of conspiracy theory concerns.
	Some, I think, are far less plausible than others.
	What is the, as simply put, without getting into a whole rabbit hole, what's the concern about 5G cell towers?
	Is it just general spying?
	Is it radiation?
	I don't know, health issues?
	Or is it something more sinister, according to some?
	Well, it's a conglomeration of things.
	So let's start with what they are.
	They're called ELFs, Extremely Low Frequency Waves.
	All right?
	And they had to go from...
	3G to 4G to 5G, because if they just took us straight to 5G, we would have felt the negative effects right away.
	These are electromagnetic frequencies that affect our brains and our bodies.
	They affect the microbiological life in our bodies and in the ecosystems, in the water and in the soil, etc.
	And so when we look at it in that respect, we're talking about a frequency that goes all the way down to like a DNA level and extremely low.
	And if we look into things like Dr. Emoto and his work with water crystals and the effects of low frequencies versus high frequencies, low frequency thoughts and emotions versus high frequency thoughts and emotions, etc., on water molecules, and we realize that our body is over 70% water, then what are these frequencies doing to us?
	And then let us then get into the next level, which is...
	The way that these frequencies are affecting our hearts and our minds, the way they're affecting our thoughts and our emotions, how that is keeping us weighed down and keeping our minds controlled, how these things are almost like...
	Invisible electromagnetic bars over our spirits and our hearts and our minds.
	They are the walls and the fences that are being placed around the planet.
	And then we get into the next level of how it is that these things relate to international communication, the relay of our...
	Biometric data, how it is that these things are connecting the entirety of the planet and feeding an artificial intelligence hive mind that is using human beings and their biometric data like living neurons in a machine hive mind.
	And it's funny.
	It was when Alex Jones was on a while back.
	My wife was watching in the other room and Alex Jones was saying, you know, the 5G towers are controlling our thoughts or they're being used for mind control.
	And, you know, we delved into it.
	And it turns out, you know, what he means more or less is it can interfere with sleep.
	It can cause a disruption.
	And people don't tend to think, like, if something can interfere with your sleep, that's a form of control.
	Destruction is a form of control.
	It's not, you know, planting thoughts necessarily.
	But when you delve in, and then my wife looked into it, she's a neuroscientist, like, yeah, okay, well, there is evidence to suggest it interferes with sleep.
	It can cause anxiety, a bunch of other stuff.
	And so once you understand that...
	Less hyperbolically, there's hard evidence for this.
	I used to be a lawyer, Jake, if you can believe it.
	I had a client who was an engineer for one of the big cell companies, and he says, I never put my phone to my ear, and I never keep it in my pocket either because I don't trust it, and there's legitimate reasons to be concerned about holding this thing to your head all day long or putting it next to your testicles.
	So people think this is crazy, but that's only because sometimes the language is off-putting, but there's some hard...
	Actual real science to this.
	But without getting too far into that, okay, understood.
	Now, so you're doing this.
	You're going to the monuments.
	You're doing your thing, which is kind of awesome, which is what you were doing at January 6th.
	Lead us up to January 6th and the events of...
	The question is, how did you get there?
	What was your purpose for being there?
	What was it like?
	And we're going to get into all of that, and then we're going to get into the aftermath.
	Well, after the 2020 election...
	I believe it was the first day I went down to the election center was on November 5th.
	And I went down to the election center every day, seven days a week, 10 to 14 hours a day sometimes.
	For the entirety of my time here in Arizona, I was going down to the election center or eventually down to the Arizona State Capitol, 10, 14 hours a day, sometimes seven days a week to hold the line.
	And the only time I wasn't there was when I was in D.C., both on December 12th for the second Magamillion March and on January 6th.
	So I got there by the grace of God.
	I didn't really have the money.
	I didn't have the mode of transportation.
	It's just God lined these things up.
	God wanted me there, and so I went.
	I was kind enough to have people that were going to go anyway and invited me to come along.
	Someone in our locals' chat says, anybody claiming to be, what was it, QAnon follower is a Fed.
	Now, I listen to you on Malice, and I know there's a distinction between QAnon and Q. But before you even get into that, I guess the one question is, I don't even know how to ask it.
	Are you affiliated with Q as a movement?
	Have you been and what is Q and what interactions or affiliation have you ever had with Q?
	Well, so for the longest time, I have remained skeptical of anything and everything in the public sphere.
	And it's from that state of skepticism that I draw my conclusions only after a long enough period of time to see the pattern.
	I don't trust people.
	I don't trust institutions.
	I trust patterns.
	And what I saw with Q was a pattern of encryption and cryptology in its communication.
	The numerical code, the timestamps between Trump's tweets and Q's drops, the Q clock, which I'm not sure if you're familiar.
	It's basically like a regular clock, except above each of the numbers are different dates.
	And then when you align these different dates with each other and the Q drops that took place on these days, then what you end up finding is that These Q-drops that are seemingly spread apart over months, maybe even years, when you align them all together based on the Q-clock, you get a much larger message.
	Do you mean Q-drops as an information being dropped by Q or do you just mean a random something?
	Yes.
	Information being dropped by Q. Okay.
	And dropped by what?
	Tweet?
	By email?
	No, no, no.
	But on 4chan and 8kun.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	There's thousands of them.
	There's thousands of these drops.
	I just got a new clock today, so anybody noticing the backdrop?
	It's just an atomic clock.
	It's synced up to the second.
	Okay, so what pattern are you noticing with Q-drops, information, correlation, accuracy, prediction?
	What are you observing?
	Well, there is an encrypted nature, a cryptological nature to the communication.
	What I also noticed was that...
	The three main things that I think Q brought to the forefront of the public in the dialogue are debt-based fiat currency, child and human trafficking, which is the modern-day slave trade, fastest-growing black market trade in the world.
	And number three is the role of both of these things, child and human trafficking and debt-based currency, to control governments and the people through individuals like Jeffrey Epstein, blackmail, lobbying, bribery, the drug trade, etc.
	And so these are the three main points that are, in my opinion, at the forefront of the Q drops and the Q narrative.
	When it comes to predictions, You know, I don't trust anything when it comes to predictions.
	I wait and I see and I watch.
	Now, there's a lot of things that I find very interesting about the Q drops.
	For example, one of the first Q drops in October, the first Q drop was October 28, 2017.
	Within the first couple of weeks of Q dropping stuff, one of the first Q drops talked about what happens when law enforcement or Don't do their job.
	What happens when the executive branch doesn't do their job?
	Mayors and governors and stuff like that.
	What happens when they don't enforce the law?
	What happens when they don't do their job?
	Stuff like that.
	And, I mean, that's exactly what we saw in 2020.
	And then there's another thing about the Q drops, and that is like the...
	Talking about disruptive patents or disruptive technologies, classified tech.
	So in my research, especially after I wrote my book, what I came to find is that there's dueling factions within our government at really high levels of compartmentalized power.
	So I'm sure you're familiar with compartmentalization.
	Yes, as a concept.
	Right.
	Our country is laid out and our government is structured based largely on compartmentalization.
	These compartmentalization portions of the government are controlled through non-disclosure agreements and security clearances.
	And the R&D, research and development, that goes on at these really high levels of Q-level security clearance.
	Are compartmentalized so that the people that are doing the research don't actually know what it is that they're doing and how it relates to a much larger picture.
	And so within these compartmentalized portions of the government you have dueling factions that are essentially competing over the minds of the people.
	So Q, in my opinion, was a psychological operation, an operation that was intended to affect the psychology of large groups of people or the United States as a whole.
	And it was the Q, PSYOP, versus the Mockingbird Media, Operation Mockingbird Media, PSYOP.
	So one, the Mockingbird Media PSYOP, is divisive.
	It divides people into compartmentalized and propagandized groups of warring tribes based on misinformation.
	Misinformation is a combination of information which is true, disinformation which is false, to create a misinformation narrative that the person who creates that narrative controls the minds of the people.
	So the Mockingbird Media is a misinformation apparatus designed to control the minds of the people, get them fighting one another over the propaganda that they choose to believe or the illusions they choose to reinforce.
	Q is a psychological operation designed to expose this really high-level information and circumvent the Mockingbird Media narrative.
	And therefore, we are preemptively striking back against this global communist conspiracy, according to Yuri Besmanov, that is attempting to install a communist government in our nation.
	Okay, so that's interesting.
	It's interesting to view Q as a PSYOP, but I mean, from what you're describing, it sounds like you're describing it as a good PSYOP, an awakening PSYOP and not a PSYOP intended to manipulate and humiliate those who ultimately believed in it.
	Yes, and so, but here's the thing, and this is why you have to, like, understand PSYOPs, you have to understand military operations, you have to understand misinformation, disinformation, information, you have to understand all this stuff, psychological warfare.
	In order to understand what's actually going on.
	So the three things that I told you about that I think were the most paramount things in the Q operation, debt-based fiat currency, child human trafficking, modern-day slave trade, Jeffrey Epstein, blackmail governments, etc.
	Those three things were essentially the most important things that circumvented the Mockingbird media.
	So as a response, as almost like a counter-narrative that had to infiltrate...
	The Q community or the Anon community that followed Q, there's entities from the other side of the deep state, from the other side of these really high levels of government, that infiltrated the Anon community with disinformation.
	JFK Jr. is alive and well.
	He's Donald Trump's vice president.
	That's what I was going to get in terms of the predictions that Q made.
	Some people can say, well, when you throw out a thousand predictions...
	50 might come to fruition and then the others don't.
	Some of them might be batshit crazy and make you look like an idiot for having shared and retweeted, like Trump is going to be back in power on August 15. Sidney Powell...
	But that's not something Q ever said.
	That's something that the Anons said.
	And how many of those Anons were fifth columns?
	Well, this is where it gets very complicated in that...
	What you're saying is going to be the ultimate retort.
	Well, that wasn't Q. This was Q. The bad ones weren't really Q and the accurate ones were.
	And that becomes part of the, I'll call it disinformation, misinformation campaign, where you don't even know what to believe anymore.
	Bottom line, however.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me ask you something.
	Did Q ever say in a Q drop that Donald Trump was going to be back in power on March 5th or something?
	Or was that something floating around on Twitter from an anon?
	I am not able to answer that question.
	But this is my point.
	This is how fifth columns are instituted.
	This is how movements are brought down.
	This is how people are demoralized.
	So the technological apparatus within Silicon Valley and within, say, CIA, NSA, and stuff like that have the ability to cause things to go viral.
	Or to influence the psychology of a group of people through social media.
	We saw this with the Twitter files and stuff like that.
	So when it comes to demoralization, what you do is you lure people out onto a limb, an intellectual limb.
	You get enough people to believe something that isn't true and then you debunk it or then the prediction doesn't come true and then that limb is cut and people fall and they become demoralized.
	Disinformation.
	JFK Jr. is alive and well and Donald Trump's vice president.
	The earth is flat and there's a whole other civilization beyond the ice wall.
	There's reptilian overlords in deep underground caves that are controlling our politicians through mind control and psychic abilities.
	I always took that third one as a metaphor and I believe it as a metaphor.
	They don't even mean deep caves, they're just in castles.
	But there's a lot of people that believe it was true.
	And there's a lot of people that were pushing this disinformation in the Anon community saying that this is what Q followers believe.
	And so then what happens is that the Mockingbird Media creates the QAnon label.
	Because there is no QAnon.
	There's Q and then there's the Anons.
	So think of it like this.
	If the Mockingbird media were to ask their audience, who is Q?
	What is Q?
	What is this whole thing?
	Then what that would do is it would direct their audience, their compartmentalized and propagandized groups of warring tribes, to then go and look into Q, a uniting psychological operation exposing corruption within the government and within the media.
	Now, if they create Q...
	QAnon, then they can control the narrative because then their community, their brainwashed listeners are going to think that they understand what QAnon is.
	And anytime they go online to look up QAnon, then they're going to find all of these media articles that are saying the same story, that they're white supremacists, that they're conspiracy theorists, that they believe that John F. Kennedy Jr. is alive and that the earth is flat.
	All of that stuff is just muddying the water.
	The whole point is, with psychological operations and demoralization, is to, in the presence of real information being dispensed to the people, to saturate that platform with so much misinformation and disinformation that The information gets obscured, and anybody can have a theory, and nobody's going to know what is real.
	That's where we're at, pretty much.
	Okay, so no official affiliation.
	You're following the QDrops, and that's your affiliation connection to Q. Anon, what was your involvement, affiliation, knowledge of Anon at this time?
	Dude, I don't follow anybody.
	And I learned a long time ago that the more you follow certain people, the more you have a chance of being led astray.
	When I wrote my book in 2017, that was largely independent research, independent investigative journalism on my part, to the point to where I understood what the fuck is going on.
	And in a way that most people cannot even begin to fathom or grasp.
	And that's why I wrote the book.
	And I'm not saying that because I'm like, oh, look at me.
	It's because it's true.
	And at that point, I came to understand the real danger in allowing other people's opinions to become my own.
	In allowing other people's projections to become my beliefs.
	In allowing other people to shape the narrative.
	Because the whole reason why we're in the mess that we're in, dude.
	And the whole reason why people are so confused in this country is because they have been lied to routinely by their schools, their media, their government, their politicians for decades.
	And any time you lie to somebody routinely, they're going to be very, very confused.
	The book was, one, is it the One Mind at a Time, a Deep State of Illusion?
	By Jacob Angeli on Amazon.
	999, 150 pages.
	I'm sending it to everyone.
	It's the Amazon affiliate link, everybody.
	There's the book, and I'll put it in the link in the chat afterwards.
	Okay, so you're...
	Interesting.
	I say interesting just to understand the context.
	You get down to Washington for the event.
	I mean, what was your expectation of what you were walking into when you got down to the day before?
	What was it like?
	And then what happens on the now...
	The day that will live in infamy, according to many, Jan 6. Well, I went to the second Magamillion March on December 12. Went in my regalia.
	Everything was fine.
	No media attention.
	No hoopla.
	Okay?
	Everything was peaceful.
	There was people around the Capitol, people around the Supreme Court.
	Everything was fine.
	That's what I expected more of on January 6th.
	So when I arrived, I arrived...
	On January 5th, I stayed in a hotel room with the group of people that I came to D.C. with, that we drove to D.C., stayed with them.
	Then we got up really early in the morning.
	We went down to the Ellipse.
	We were waiting for Donald Trump to speak.
	My motivations were largely spiritual.
	I was there to plug the highest possible frequencies and vibrations into the ley line grid system.
	If there's going to be a million people assembled on the ley lines, as a shamanic practitioner, I have an obligation to be there and ensure that it is peaceful and smooth.
	So January 6th takes place.
	Donald Trump gets on the stage.
	He's doing a speech at the Ellipse.
	And to be perfectly honest with you, it was boring and it was repetitive.
	And I was like, you know, it was kind of long and I saw people walking down to the Capitol and I thought, oh, well, I guess we're going down to the Capitol now, you know?
	So I started walking down to the Capitol.
	When I got there, things were fine.
	They were peaceful for the most part.
	There was a couple of people that were like at the barriers that were like yelling at the cops and stuff like that.
	But did they look like?
	Did they look like agitators?
	Did they look like Antifa?
	Or did they look like just bonafide Trump supporters who were pissed off?
	Well, in all honesty, I really don't know.
	It looked kind of like, in retrospect now, it looks like a mixed bag.
	I was telling the people to calm down, telling, like, dude, we backed the blue.
	Quit yelling at the cops.
	Somebody threw a water bottle, I think, at one time, and I looked back and said, hey, knock that shit off.
	So I was trying to keep the peace.
	But the thing is, dude, is that for the amount of people that were already there, which was probably in the thousands, maybe even 10,000 people that were already there, less than 1% of those people were at the barriers and arguing with police.
	And even at that point, they weren't arguing, they weren't being violent in the way that Antifa or BLM had been for 200 days in the summer of love.
	So, I think, in my recollection of things, all hell really broke loose after they threw concussion grenades and tear gas into the middle of the crowd on January 6th.
	Now, you've got to explain that because it's amazing.
	I was listening to you describe this to Michael Malice, and I then...
	I immediately contextualized it with my experience.
	When I went to the Ottawa protest, the day that the cops were breaking it up, we're on a street, and out of nowhere, two concussive grenades go off, maybe 10, 15 feet from me.
	I've never heard anything.
	I mean, I've heard supersonic bang, fireworks, gunshots.
	But I was like, what the hell did they do that for?
	And listening to you describe it, it's like they did it either to provoke a violent response or to provoke a panic response, both of which leads to chaos.
	In Ottawa, you know, the crowd was smaller.
	It's Canadian.
	I guess it's winter.
	People are not going to go crazy that quickly.
	But so tell us what happened.
	Like, people are there.
	And how do these concussive grenades go off?
	What's the context with which they deploy this?
	Well, from what I recall, everything was, you know, fine.
	And then all of a sudden, boom, boom!
	And then there's tear gas flowing through the crowd.
	And it was shortly thereafter that the barriers...
	We're taken down by people, and then they started to flood through.
	But my thinking is, like, if you have a couple of thousand people in a crowd, right, and then in the middle of that crowd, you place concussion grenades and tear gas, there's going to be people that move forward and people that move back, you know?
	So if that caused people to move forward, or if, like you said, it caused panic or anger or whatever, You know, there's also a dude that got shot in the face with a rubber bullet.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	That was only recently released, as far as I understand.
	You see the cops deciding to deploy rubber bullets that went through his cheek.
	Nuts!
	And for no better reason, I guess.
	They were scared, they were outnumbered, and they figured that's how you pacify a crowd.
	Well, the whole thing was a setup.
	And I actually wrote an article for the Gateway Pundit, an op-ed.
	January 6th was a PSYOP, and I can prove it.
	Where I explain how the whole thing was even able to take place in the first place, how it was allowed to happen, what happened afterward, how this thing was used strategically, how the PSYOP was rolled out.
	So in a nutshell, Chief Sund had his emergency powers revoked to where he could not invoke the National Guard a couple of weeks before January 6th by the House and the Senate, Pelosi and McConnell.
	Why?
	So that Chief Sund had to go through Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to invoke the National Guard.
	No, but my question is, do you know why they revoked it?
	Was there a justification?
	Was he incompetence?
	Was there any...
	No.
	I think, and this is just my opinion, because they knew what was going to happen.
	They wanted the chaos, and I'll explain why in just a second.
	So when Chief Sund...
	Legitimately through paperwork asked for the National Guard's presence on January 6th.
	He was told no because it would be bad optics and because there was lack of evidence for the need.
	Now, let's talk about that lack of evidence.
	Because the Pentagon had evidence that...
	There was going to be over a dozen known terrorists in the crowd on that day.
	Also, Christopher Wray and the FBI had infiltrated the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, and by their testimony, they were planning something.
	And then there's Yogananda Pittman, the Chief Intelligence Officer for the Capitol Police at the time, that apparently this information, according to Tarek Johnson, who you had on your program, She had this info.
	None of these entities, the Pentagon, the FBI, or Yogananda Pittman said any of this to Chief Sund.
	And they talked to him several weeks before January 6th.
	So this is not an intelligence failure.
	This is an intelligence suppression.
	So that he did not have the evidence that was necessary to invoke the National Guard.
	What happened on that day, according to Chief Sund, it was crawling with feds.
	And according to Antifa and BLM, by their own admission, they were there too, dressed in Trump or MAGA gear, to infiltrate the crowd and turn things chaotic and violent, to make a bad look for Trump supporters.
	So we have infiltration instead of invasion.
	We have intimidation.
	Instead of free choice.
	The police are intimidating the crowd, an otherwise peaceful crowd.
	So there wasn't adequate evidence to invoke the National Guard, leaving the Capitol Police to be set up by the very government that they were trying to be protecting.
	They knew how many people were going to be there.
	If there were feds in the crowd, Antifa in the crowd, if the feds were inciting violence, etc., they wanted the chaos.
	And then there's also people like Sergei Devainen, the Ukrainian spy that was in the crowd, and there for One Plus One Media, a company and a corporation owned by Igor Kolomoisky out of Ukraine, a Ukrainian oligarch in charge of the foundation of Privet Bank, and the rise of Vladimir Zelensky as the president of Ukraine, Sergei Dobinin and his film crew were there filming the initial breach of the Capitol.
	They were the ones screaming, run, run, run, in Russian as they ran up to the initial breach of the Capitol.
	No, no investigation into Sergei Dobinin.
	No investigation into 1 plus 1 media why they were there.
	He's not even And let us not forget the pipe bomber.
	Okay?
	No investigation there.
	No arrest there.
	Let us also not forget the noose that was constructed there to hang Mike Pence.
	Give me a break.
	If you look at that thing, there's no way Mike Pence could be hanged from that thing.
	Secondly, who the hell built it?
	Well, I mean, first of all, to assume that it's anything but perhaps an offensive metaphor or symbol, it would make you an idiot if you thought that was actually there to hang anybody.
	But how big was it, Jake?
	I don't know.
	I've only seen pictures.
	I've only seen pictures.
	I had no idea that it was going to be there.
	But the thing is, is that where's the investigation of that?
	If the media really, really was like, if that was really like a big hot button issue, if it wasn't a federal plant, if it wasn't something that was designed to reinforce the PSYOP, and somebody actually built that thing with that intention, then don't you think that whoever built it, whoever brought it there, would have been investigated immediately and charged?
	With seditious conspiracy?
	No, they weren't.
	Because I think it was an apparatus there to be used for PR.
	So the Mockingbird Media was there on January 6th.
	They didn't get charged for entering the Capitol.
	They didn't get charged for stepping on the grounds.
	But any investigative journalist, anybody that's on the conservative side gets charged.
	And they're ruining these people's lives.
	Now, check this out.
	Why did they allow it to happen?
	First of all, they wanted the chaos outside of the building so they could use it for a shock and awe campaign and they could demonize Trump supporters.
	They used my image because there was chaos outside the building.
	There's no denying that.
	There was violence.
	There was chaos outside the building.
	I don't advocate for that.
	I'm totally against that.
	However, inside the building, there was largely peaceful protest going on.
	Okay?
	Now think about this.
	In order for the Mockingbird media to divide people into these compartmentalized groups, you have the left-wing Mockingbird media saying that, oh, it was a violent and deadly insurrection.
	And they show everybody pictures of outside the building.
	They show them my picture inside the building to reinforce their shock and awe campaign because nothing actually really went on inside the building that was really bad.
	We're seeing that now with the release of the J6 tapes.
	Well, yeah, with the exception of the summary execution of Ashley Babbitt, which was...
	Right, exactly, which that was done on behalf of the government.
	You know what I'm saying?
	She was unarmed.
	She was a five-foot-nothing white woman that was shot by Capitol Police for peeking her head inside a window.
	But anyway, then you have the right side of the Mockingbird media saying...
	That it was a mostly peaceful protest, that it's really not that big of a deal, that there was no insurrection, which there really was no insurrection.
	But you have these dueling factions within the country of people that are arguing it's black, it's white, when it's actually a gray issue.
	So all of that being said...
	You have the PSYOP that ensued afterward.
	And with that PSYOP comes this division in the country.
	And it also comes the demonization of Trump supporters and the ability of the government to then not only go after Trump for his role, and we all saw the farce that was the January 6th committee BS, but also to go after his supporters and label them domestic terrorists.
	We now know that anyone and everyone that flew to Washington, Not even going to the Capitol, not even going to the rally, but went to see family or a birthday party or a funeral or whatever.
	They're all being followed by the U.S. Air Marshals.
	They're all being followed by the marshals.
	There's no marshals any longer on airlines because they're all being directed to follow anyone and everyone that flew into D.C., totally obfuscating their constitutional rights and negating the real safety of people in these planes that are transporting people all over the country because there's no more U.S. marshals on.
	Now, there's also another thing.
	Enrique Tarrio.
	Okay, have you heard about what happened to him and what the feds said to him?
	There might be too much, so I don't want to be presumptuous.
	Tell us.
	So look at it like this.
	Enrique Tarrio was arrested shortly after January 6th, and they came to him, the feds, the prosecution, FBI, came to him and said, look, here's a plea deal.
	Just say that you had a third-party connection to Donald Trump.
	And that he helped to orchestrate January 6th.
	And you'll be out of jail in a couple of months.
	But if you don't do this, you'll never see your kids again.
	We're going to ruin your life, is what they pretty much told him.
	You're looking at decades in prison, basically.
	And when he told them no, then he basically said, no, I'm not going to lie.
	I had no connections to Donald Trump through a third party.
	No, I'm not going to say that.
	They gave him a 22-year sentence.
	And now...
	Now they're appealing that and they want to give him 44 years.
	They want to double his sentence because he blew the whistle.
	He told everybody what the DOJ offered him.
	Now, let's talk about the whole Ray Epps and Nick Fuentes.
	Most people don't know this.
	Nick Fuentes and Ray Epps are the only people that...
	Are on camera encouraging other people to go into the building on January 6th.
	Okay?
	So Ray Epps was the night before and the day of.
	Nick Fuentes was the day of.
	He was telling his Groyper supporters to move past the barriers, ignore the police, and take the Capitol.
	I saw that video or what people were purporting to claim was that video.
	And I said, look, I don't think I could identify Nick Fuentes from the video that I saw.
	Is it...
	Oh, I can.
	Oh, dude, yeah.
	And you can tell it's his annoying little beta male voice saying it, too, dude.
	It's clear who it is.
	It's clear he has this little entourage of Groypers around him that, you know, are there to just kiss his ring and his ass.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, I just...
	My point is this.
	If you look at the treatment that both Ray Epps got and Nick Fuentes, because Nick Fuentes was never arrested, Ray Epps was put on the FBI Most Wanted list, taken off, not charged, the media went to bat for him, etc., etc.
	And he ultimately got his one bullshit misdemeanor charge.
	Yeah.
	One misdemeanor.
	After so much public outrage, so much public outrage, they had to do something, otherwise they would have looked really bad.
	And Enrique Tarrio, 22 years for not even being there for the seditious conspiracy, but Ray Epps saying, into the Capitol, that's where our problems lie.
	Breaching the front line, admittedly texting about it to his nephew.
	I got them to do that.
	I orchestrated this.
	One misdemeanor.
	Okay.
	And so now think about this.
	There's a guy named Brandon Straka.
	He's the founder of the Walk Away movement.
	I had him on as well.
	Right.
	And what he did is he went on to Capitol Grounds.
	That's all he really did.
	And he filmed everything because he was supposed to be speaking there.
	He's also a media guy.
	And shortly thereafter, after January 6th, he was arrested.
	And his lawyer was already speaking with the government about what's going to go on.
	And they basically said, look, you better plead guilty to these misdemeanors or we're going to slap you with this 1512 felony obstruction of an official proceeding.
	So why?
	Why didn't Ray Epps get that kind of treatment?
	Why didn't Ray Epps get the seditious conspiracy treatment if there's all this evidence?
	And there's another added thing to that.
	There's a guy on Twitter, on X, called Alpha Warrior.
	This guy was not even at January 6th.
	He was 2,000 miles away when January 6th took place.
	But the...
	FBI swatted his home and arrested him because of a social media post.
	They made him and his whole family stand outside while his infant newborn child was inside unsupervised with federal law enforcement for four hours.
	Four hours they didn't allow them to go inside and grab their child and nurse their child and all that while the FBI tore their place apart.
	All over a single social media post.
	Then we look at what happened with that guy that just got seven months or so in prison for a meme that happened in the beginning of the 2016 election.
	And there's one more, Stephen Horn, journalist, independent journalist.
	I had him on as well.
	He was one documenting inside.
	He has yet to get sentenced but was convicted.
	And ironically enough, some of the evidence of his criminality was taken by another journalist who was credentialed and not charged.
	So very interesting.
	So the whole point here, let's just wrap all this up.
	They knew something was going to happen.
	They wanted it to happen.
	They did not want the National Guard there.
	They wanted Chief Sund to be the fall guy.
	They wanted him to be the one to blame.
	Yogananda Pittman's name doesn't make its way into the Mockingbird media.
	Neither does the nondisclosure agreement that she and that John Major signed, according to Tarek Johnson.
	None of that is PSYOP ensues.
	It was infiltrated by Feds and Antifa and by a Ukrainian spy and a Ukrainian oligarchs media corporation.
	No investigation.
	There's no justice for the pipe bomber.
	There is...
	Now, the strategic weaponization of these executive branches of government going after Trump, trying to get him on seditious conspiracy.
	There's these astronomical sentences being leveled at the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.
	There's the deal that was given to Enrique Tarrio that he declined where he had to lie so that they could wrap Donald Trump up in a conspiracy, a seditious conspiracy.
	They give him 22 years.
	They're giving these ridiculous sentences out to these other people.
	So there's the treatment of Ray Epps, the treatment of Nick Fuentes versus the treatment of people like Brandon Straka and Alpha Warrior, which I would say you might want to have Alpha Warrior on your podcast.
	He's a really smart dude.
	He has his own podcast.
	But anyway, then there's the from this ensuing PSYOP, there's a labeling of Trump supporters as domestic terrorists.
	There's the following of people around in And the FBI has labeled and opened an individual case for every single person that was there on January 6th.
	They're not treating it like it's one case.
	So now every FBI field office across the country is doing their own investigation into the individuals that were there on January 6th that were in their portion of the country, thus creating this illusion that domestic terrorism is a threat all over the country.
	from Trump supporters.
	Now their constitutional rights are obfuscated because of things like the Patriot Act.
	So as long as they label these people as domestic terrorists, they can surveil them, track them, follow them, arrest them, detain them, etc.
	with no constitutional And that fits perfectly also into something I just...
	I just discovered recently Project Hemisphere or Hemisphere Project, which is AT&T surveilling basically all your cell data, cell phone interactions, conversations, locations, etc.
	And also, not for nothing, they use all this as the pretext to get Trump off the ballot, as they tried in Colorado, New Hampshire, Michigan.
	All right, well, you're preaching to the choir anyhow, because I think everyone watching now is...
	Agrees wholeheartedly.
	So when you get there, you're outside.
	When do you get in?
	How do you get in?
	What happens when you're inside?
	And then what happens afterwards?
	So I was trying to calm people down before the Capitol, I mean, before the barriers were breached.
	Once people broke through, there was a time or two I was telling people to fall back.
	They weren't listening to me.
	They're chanting USA, so I started chanting USA with them so that hopefully they would listen to me and not think that I'm some infiltrator trying to disrupt things.
	But instead, I'm on your side, but we need to fall back.
	This isn't the way.
	Then they...
	Went up to the Capitol.
	People broke in some windows.
	They kicked open the doors.
	And I'm seeing people flood in.
	And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, if this is what's going on outside the building, we can't have this stuff go on inside the building.
	It is a sacred chamber.
	It's like a sacred site.
	And for chaos and violence and stuff like that to take place inside the temple, basically, or inside the sacred site, is very bad juju.
	I made the conscious choice to go in and ensure that I figured the only way to stop and ensure there's no violence, chaos, or theft or vandalism is to go inside and make sure that that's the case.
	So approximately 30 seconds into my going into the Capitol, I stopped somebody from stealing out of the break room.
	Granted, they were just stealing muffins, but it doesn't matter.
	It's a principle.
	No, we're not here to steal.
	Put that back, and I closed the doors to the break room.
	Then we got up into the Senate area, like on the foyer of Senate.
	That's where a lot of those pictures are coming from, where I'm screaming freedom, you know, and there's the cops around and stuff like that.
	I eventually made my way into the upper terrace of the Senate.
	I sang my shamanic song.
	That's where this iconic photo of me, the headshot, comes from, is at the climax of my shamanic song.
	Then I saw there were people in the Senate chamber itself on the ground floor.
	I walk up to the cops and I say, hey, there's people in the Senate.
	If you want, dude, I can help you.
	Make sure there's no vandalism or violence or theft.
	Help you clear the room.
	They saw my bullhorn.
	They're like, yeah, let's go.
	You know, they saw my megaphone.
	They wanted me to go with them.
	So that's why we're going around from locked door to locked door to locked door trying to figure out a way to get inside the Senate because I volunteered to help them.
	We got in there.
	I went up to the vice president's chair.
	I sat down because I wanted a view of the whole room to stop anything from happening so I could see everything.
	That's where I, and when I wrote the note, it's only a matter of time.
	Justice is coming.
	It wasn't intended to be a threat.
	In spite of what the Mockingbird media and the government have said, it wasn't intended to be a threat.
	I think everybody can be for justice, okay?
	And then, so after, shortly thereafter, I took a couple pictures.
	I said a prayer.
	The cops came in, and they're like, you gotta go.
	I'm like, alright guys, let's go.
	Use my megaphone to help, you know, We walk out of the building.
	By the time we get out of the building, shortly thereafter, I had already gone viral.
	I had people coming up to me with their cell phones, showing me their cell phones, and I had gone viral on Twitter.
	And then after that, I...
	I saw the Donald Trump tweet telling everybody to go home.
	So I walked up to where people were trying to still get into the Capitol and break into the Capitol.
	And I stood in the way.
	I stood in the gap.
	And I said, no, dude.
	No, stop.
	Yeah, this is a video right here telling everybody to go home.
	We're going to do as he asked.
	Respect the landmarks.
	Respect the capital.
	You know what?
	We're all going to stay out of the way.
	We won't play the whole thing.
	This was in the tweet from Elon Musk, where he retweeted and said, free Jacob Chansley.
	It's amazing, actually, just to relive it backwards.
	And even what I thought of you at the time, and I still thought this whole thing was absolute bullshit.
	But didn't realize the degree, even when it came to you.
	I just thought you're like a very eccentric individual.
	Holy crap.
	So you get out.
	Now, the going viral part, this is the one I have the questions that Malice didn't...
	When you have the experience of having gone viral, it's interesting, it's fun, it's exhilarating.
	When it's not for something like this...
	Is it at that moment that you realize, holy shit, I might be in deep shit?
	Does that go through your mind, or do you still think it's cool, it's fun, oh, I made the news, or I made a viral video, and you don't appreciate just how much trouble you're actually in?
	Well, I figured that because I was trying to help the cops, because there's all this evidence that I was trying to be a force for good and for peace and, you know, stability and harmony, and I thought, well, you know, I didn't really, I didn't vandalize any property.
	I didn't hurt anybody.
	I didn't steal anything.
	I was trying to help the police.
	I thought, well, you know, I didn't break any laws, really.
	At least that's what I was thinking at the time.
	I was trying to help.
	So no, I didn't quite realize the level of excrement that I had stepped in.
	What really did it for me was when my face was all over the Mockingbird media the next day.
	And you see society around you changing where it went from, oh, here's a quirky, eccentric individual to here's a terrorist who nearly overthrew democracy.
	At any point, did you start to fear for your safety from the general public or reactionary members of the public?
	You know, a little bit because my phone number had gone public and I started getting all sorts of weird phone calls and text messages, voicemails, some death threats, you know, stuff like that.
	My social media all got taken down on the 7th of January.
	The media was blowing my phone up.
	Nobody would tell me how they got my number.
	And, yeah, I did at first, but, you know, even now, dude, it's like I'm wearing Clark Kent glasses because people don't recognize me without the horns and the face paint, which is kind of cool.
	You'd think the tattoos give it away, but, you know...
	Well, the tattoos are...
	They're distinct, but you'd have to pay attention to them.
	They actually look a little bit different even than they do in the picture.
	And you look...
	You look a decade younger, but I guess you're not wearing the face makeup or the regalia.
	And this is after having gone through what you went through in jail, which we're going to get into.
	They get your number.
	So you're out.
	And what day is it now?
	It's going to be January 7. How do you get home?
	Well, we were driving back.
	We were driving back because we drove there.
	We were driving back.
	And that was when I got a call from my mom saying that the FBI was looking for me.
	So, you know, I was like, oh, crap.
	You know, she sent me like the screenshot or something, like a picture of the news and what was trending on social media.
	And I was like, all right, well, if they want information on me, they're looking for me.
	I'm just going to call them.
	So I called them.
	I was like, hey, I was the dude in the horns and the face band.
	I heard you guys were looking for me.
	I heard you guys wanted information.
	So figure, hear it from the horse's mouth.
	And you call the number like when you Google the FBI and it says, here's a call.
	There's a call number for the FBI on the internet.
	Is that how you got the number?
	No, I got it because they had a number at the bottom of their propaganda campaign looking for information about me and all that stuff.
	So I just called that number.
	Amazing.
	And from what I understand from your interview with Malice, they say, okay, we'll take your number down and they take a few hours to call you back.
	Yes.
	And who calls you back from the FBI and how does it progress from there?
	The special agent in charge of my case called me back and he was a former Marine.
	You know, he seemed like a nice guy.
	I red-pilled the shit out of him, you know, talking about Operation Paperclip and, you know...
	The infiltration of our government, et cetera, et cetera.
	So long story short, I talked to him and he and I arranged a meeting to where I would go to the FBI field office on January 9th upon my return to Phoenix.
	Okay, so the field office in Phoenix, Arizona.
	Yes.
	When do you call an attorney in all of this?
	Oh, dude, I didn't because I asked him, like, are you guys going to arrest me?
	Like, just be honest with me.
	I'll still show up.
	Because at the time, I was just wanted for misdemeanors.
	And because I hadn't done anything, like, heinous or awful, you know, no vandalism, no violence, no theft, I thought, well, you know, it's just misdemeanors.
	FBI doesn't really waste its time with misdemeanors.
	At least they didn't used to.
	I thought, okay, well, just look, dude, if you're going to arrest me, just tell me.
	And he's like, no, we don't see a reason to arrest you.
	We just want to talk.
	We just want to get your side of the story of what happened.
	And I was like, oh, yeah, sure, dude, not a problem.
	You know, so I showed up.
	I went through the metal detector.
	They patted me down, walked into the interrogation room, and read me memoranda rights.
	Now, I know that your answer is going to be you would have done it anyhow because had you known you were going to get arrested, you would have still done this.
	But at this point in time, you're familiar with Operation Mockingbird, Operation Northwoods, all of it.
	The corruption of the deep state, and yet the persecution of Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and yet you go into a meeting without counsel with the FBI, who you know to be a historical evil.
	What the hell were you thinking, man?
	Well, you see, even...
	You may walk through the valley of the shadow of death or fear no evil.
	God is always with me.
	And through my shamanic journeys and my shamanic voyages into nature and the desert and the miracles that I've experienced through my shamanic path and my experiences in the ether and stuff like that, dude, my faith is strong.
	And I just have the truth.
	I'm not going to lie.
	You know, that's not how I operate.
	The truth is my sword and my shield.
	So, you know, the way I look at it is like, yeah, dude, I'm going to tell them everything that happened, even if I don't have a lawyer, even if I do have a lawyer, because I have nothing to hide.
	Yeah, this is what happened.
	This is what I did.
	This is what I said.
	This is how it went.
	I stopped somebody from stealing.
	I offered to help the cops.
	I stopped people from breaking in the building.
	I did everything I could to be a force of peace on that day.
	But the Mockingbird media and their narrative associated my image with the chaos that went on outside the building.
	And from there, I was guilty by association because they made me the face of that day.
	And so then I had to be treated as though I had done all of those things.
	Well, you say you didn't vandalize, but what you actually did was much worse.
	You revealed that the emperor had no clothes.
	I mean, you humiliated...
	The institution.
	Lectern guy humiliated the institution by making light of the, you know, taking a picture with the lectern.
	And they had to make an example out of you.
	So you step into the field office and they read, what do they say?
	Hey, Jacob, you have the right to remain silent?
	Yeah, we sat down and they say, well, you have the right to remain silent.
	Anything you say can't, it will be used against you in a court of law.
	You have a right to an attorney.
	If you can't afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you.
	Do you understand these rights if they've been read to you?
	I said, Shit.
	Yes.
	And then they're like, so do you want to talk?
	And I was like, yeah, I'll tell you my side of the story.
	You know, I have nothing to hide.
	I understand you're putting me under arrest, but I have nothing to hide.
	This is what happened, dude.
	I say my joke was going to be, you did the Miranda rights better than Jonah Hill and that guy from 21 Jump Street.
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	So they arrest you.
	They read you your rights.
	They say you're under arrest.
	Do you want to talk?
	And you nonetheless talked, did they record the conversation?
	All of it.
	Okay.
	Now this is one, and this is what's very telling about that, okay?
	Because, and this is why I say the truth is my sword and my shield.
	This is how I live my life, is by the truth, nothing but the truth, I'm not going to bullshit, okay?
	Because anytime you lie, you got to remember what you said, and then that gets very sticky.
	I told them everything that happened, including stopping somebody from stealing, including the fact that I offered to help police and that they escorted me around the building, that that's how I got into the Senate, all that stuff.
	I stopped people from breaking in outside, told them all that the day I was arrested.
	I also told them the exact same story when my previous attorney arranged a meeting between myself, the prosecutor, and the special agent that was in charge of my case for the FBI.
	Exact same story.
	Because it's the truth.
	It's the truth.
	It is up to the FBI.
	It is their job to investigate every single aspect to the story that I give them.
	Okay?
	So that means they have to check all the CCTV footage.
	That means they have to see if my story is legit.
	So that means if they were doing their job...
	Then that means that the footage that was on Tucker Carlson would have, lo and behold, crossed their path.
	They were going to talk to the police officers.
	I mean, they used the testimony of one of the police officers that escorted me around the building in my case to damn me into the situation that I was in.
	So that means...
	In my opinion, and this is part of why we filed a motion to vacate my sentence and my conviction, that the government knew about that footage.
	That it was, I believe, intentionally kept from my previous attorney because making it public, displaying it for everybody to see in the midst of our negotiation at the sentencing or pleading guilty or whatever, The count or the charge would have been reduced.
	The enhancement to my sentence would have been reduced.
	You see?
	So if they were doing their job, if they were doing their job, then none of that...
	Then all of that evidence would have come to them in the process.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, I know.
	I should say they were doing their job and their job was not justice.
	Their job was to frame and to create the narrative that they ran with for the January 8th, for the second impeachment, for the January 6th committee, for the persecutions and prosecutions that we're seeing now.
	How long did you talk with them for after they told you you were under arrest?
	Like an hour.
	And then after that conversation, cuffs and off to jail?
	Yeah, but they were kind enough to put the cuffs in front, not in back, you know, because I was cooperative.
	They're like, look, you're being pretty cooperative.
	We're not going to put your hands behind your back, but we have to put you in cuffs, dude.
	Sorry.
	It's just, like, we're animals.
	Humans are animals and not smart ones.
	After all this...
	Nonetheless, that's their grace for your collaboration.
	Coffee in the front and not in the back.
	And they won't take you on the, what do they call it, the bus where they just drive you around forever, bumping around on rock.
	So you go straight to jail after that.
	Do you call your mother?
	You have no wife, no kids, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I called my mom and a couple of people that I was supposed to go down to the Capitol and give like a speech or something that day on the next day.
	And that just didn't happen because I was getting arrested.
	So I called my mom and said, hey, just to let you know, I'm getting arrested by the FBI.
	And then I called these people I was supposed to go do a speaking engagement with at the Arizona State Capitol and said, hey.
	I'm getting arrested.
	I'm not going to be there.
	And then they took my cell phone.
	I mean, they were at least kind enough to let me make the phone call.
	And this is part of why I'm cooperative.
	Because, dude, there's no point in fighting if you have the truth.
	There's no point.
	Just be yourself.
	Be truthful.
	Be open.
	Be honest.
	It's that Christ-like love that just diffuses conflict and BS.
	They haul you off straight to jail.
	You call your mom.
	You call the event.
	Do you call an attorney?
	No.
	I didn't have any money for an attorney.
	For those who've never been arrested, especially by the FBI, especially in something so politicized, what do they do?
	They take you off to jail, and then you're processed, and then when's the next time you see the light of day outside of jail?
	Oh, outside of jail?
	The next time I see the light of day, outside of jail?
	As in, like, outside of my cell?
	Or as in, like, out of federal custody?
	Let's say out of federal custody, not outside of your cell, because I guess you've got to go to and from court.
	Right.
	Out of custody.
	Well, I was officially out of federal custody on the 25th of May, but I was released to the halfway house on the 28th of March of 2023.
	And then I was there for like a week.
	And then because the media kept hounding me and the residents at the halfway house, they basically put me on home confinement.
	And with an ankle monitor on for the remainder of my sentence.
	So like the last month and a half or so, my sentence, I was at home, you know, and, you know, I had to go down to the halfway house and do urinalysis and check in with phone calls every day, several times a day and stuff like that.
	Had to report to my case manager.
	What date were you arrested again?
	January 9th.
	2021.
	Yes.
	And you're released from custody two...
	Plus years later, two and a half years later.
	Yes.
	Holy shit.
	29 months.
	29 months in federal custody.
	I posted a tweet that we're live now and I look in the replies and some say you're a Fed.
	It's a stupid thing to entertain.
	29 months in federal custody.
	How much of that was spent in solitary confinement?
	Ten and a half months.
	When?
	In the beginning of my sentence.
	So basically, they kept me detained.
	They did not allow me pretrial release, which in a way I'm kind of grateful for because if they had given me pretrial release, there would have been all these stipulations.
	And at the same time, I would still be serving the sentence that they had given me.
	So getting it out of the way was kind of good, but spending 10 and a half months in solitary was not.
	Now, the thing is, is that they said that I was being put in solitary because of COVID and then they said it was for my safety.
	Because I'm so high profile.
	But here's the thing.
	All that went completely out the window when I got transferred to Oklahoma and Colorado because I was in general population in Oklahoma and Colorado.
	So did COVID and my safety just magically disappear?
	Well, the COVID has been bullshit from the beginning.
	I mean, as a pretext for solitary, regardless.
	The safety, I don't know, some will say maybe they wanted you to get shanked.
	But the safety argument is preposterous to me on its face because you're not like a Chauvin notorious, a Derek Chauvin.
	You're not like a, I can't think of an accused who would need to be kept in solitary for their own safety.
	I don't think anybody would want it, would have any ill will towards you regardless.
	It's just a pretext.
	But is it 10 and a half months consecutive solitary?
	Kind of.
	So, from my detainment...
	I went from solitary in Arizona to solitary in D.C., and then solitary into Alexandria, Virginia.
	In between Arizona and D.C., there was one night spent in Grady County, Oklahoma, where I was with general population.
	Then I went to D.C., went to Alexandria, Virginia, and I spent, I think...
	Five months in Alexandria, Virginia in solitary confinement.
	I believe it was June 10th that I was taken out of Alexandria, Virginia, transferred to Oklahoma, and then transferred over to Colorado for my psychological evaluation.
	I returned back to...
	Alexandria, Virginia, and solitary confinement as of the 12th of July.
	And then I went from the 12th of July all the way, I believe, to December 29th in solitary confinement in Alexandria, Virginia.
	It's beyond torture.
	I don't understand.
	You're sane and rational compared to what I thought you would have been just in general, let alone after that.
	I don't know how anybody...
	Survives that.
	Someone in our chat in Locals is asking, Love in Two Limes, did you get beat up in prison?
	I think the answer to that is no, correct?
	No.
	I want you to think about this.
	Especially in prison.
	Because jail is worse than prison.
	Jail sucks.
	Explain the difference.
	Remand, prison, and jail.
	Well, jail is like county jails.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's like a local thing for the most part.
	Now, I was in Alexandria Detention Center, Alexandria Jail, where they house federal inmates and local criminals alike.
	When you go to a prison, you have much more freedom as far as like, you know, you can go to the library.
	You can, you know, you have a, you know, you can go out on the yard.
	You can socialize with other people.
	You know, there's TVs that you can watch, et cetera, et cetera.
	There's an auditorium.
	You know, in my case, when I was in Safford, they had a weight pile.
	They had a library.
	They had a softball field, a basketball court, tennis courts.
	They had an auditorium.
	They had an education facility.
	I taught a metaphor.
	You know, so there's all sorts of other things, all sorts of different aspects between prison and jail.
	Jail is much more restrictive, and the conditions are far more harsh.
	Prison is much more loose as far as the conditions and as far as restrictions are concerned, and the conditions are much more livable.
	But, I mean, think about it like this, dude.
	Like in federal prison.
	Do you think that there's a bunch of federal prison guards that voted for Biden?
	No.
	I'm just going to tell you right now.
	No.
	Most police officers, most correctional officers did not vote for Joe Biden.
	Is federal prison going to be filled with a bunch of inmates that love the federal government?
	No.
	No.
	On both sides, both guards and inmates, there was a general curiosity about me and my story.
	And because I had told the FBI everything, that kind of left me free to tell anybody whatever because they already knew everything, you see?
	And this is the beauty of living by the truth, you see?
	So I was telling everybody exactly what I told the FBI.
	You know?
	And none of them believed me.
	They're like, yeah, the police didn't walk you around.
	You're full of shit, Chance Lee.
	That didn't happen.
	And then, when Tucker Carlson airs that footage three weeks before my release, which, by the way, that had nothing to do with my release.
	We're absolutely going to get there on a separate point because that's something that I think people need to understand.
	But your release was not the result or consequence of Tucker Carlson releasing the footage.
	It was your scheduled release as per time served in federal.
	We'll get there.
	And the time that was taken off my sentence for good time and for FSA or First Step Act credits that I had accumulated because I did the Residential Drug Abuse Program.
	I did RDAP, Residential Drug Abuse Program, because the BOP demanded that I do so, because I told the pre-sentence investigator that I consumed mushrooms a handful of times in my life, and then they decided, lo and behold, BOP says, well, now you need to go to Residential Drug Abuse Program.
	And I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to earn FSA credits.
	All right.
	So I earned six months off my sentence there, and I had six months of good time.
	That took a year off my sentence.
	So 12 months off of 41 is 29. So I was going to be released.
	I knew I was going to be released on the 28th of March in mid-February of 2023.
	And then...
	Three weeks later, Tucker Carlson airs that footage, thus in one way or another vindicating me in the court of public opinion.
	And then when I got out, everybody was like, oh, the footage got him out!
	Tucker Carlson and McCarthy's a hero!
	And even politicians were saying that.
	And it's like, dude, you're supposed to be a lawyer.
	You're supposed to understand the law and court processes.
	And you're saying that that footage got me out.
	If that were the case, there would have been a court hearing.
	And the judge would have banged his little gavel and said, release him, which would have been headline news.
	But these people, they use human beings and their stories to be – to weaponize them for their agenda.
	They don't care about whistleblowers.
	They don't care about the plight of the average American citizen.
	That's the way that I've been used.
	That's the way a lot of people have been used throughout American history.
	It's the way that people like Stephen Friend, the FBI agent that blew a whistle about January 6th cases.
	That's the way Kyle Serafin, the guy that blew the whistle about the Catholics.
	Being persecuted by the FBI.
	That's how these people are used.
	That's how whistleblowers are used by these politicians.
	They don't care.
	What they care about is their political theater.
	I remember hearing, and I just wanted to make sure that I never actually repeated it, and I didn't.
	I said, pardon, Jacob Chansley, not, you know, thank you, Tucker.
	I remember hearing that.
	I was like, oh, they so perfectly coincided that...
	I recall hearing people saying that it was the release of the footage that got you out and I didn't actually appreciate.
	You served your full freaking sentence.
	I do want to harp on the solitary confinement though before I ask you what you pleaded to and why you pleaded to it.
	How do you get used to solitary confinement?
	Are the lights on all the time?
	What is it like?
	I can't imagine a greater torture.
	Yeah, the first like...
	60 to 90 days of my being incarcerated, they had the lights on all the time.
	In Alexandria, Virginia, they did not give us any books because of COVID while I was first there.
	They gave me a little ham radio thing that I could listen to, but they stuck me in a cell with no reception.
	So for the first 35 days because of COVID...
	I was in solitary, and then later it was for my safety.
	I was without a radio and without books.
	All I had was a pen and a pad of paper.
	Oh, that's amazing.
	So there's no getting used to it.
	To answer your question, there's no getting used to it.
	Some people do.
	I knew a guy in Colorado that had done five years in solitary.
	I met another guy in Colorado that did 13 years in the hole.
	I don't know how you...
	When you say get used to it, are they...
	And I'm not saying this to be mean or demeaning.
	Are they just not broken and crazy in a damaged...
	Oh, yeah.
	They've become institutionalized at that point.
	Both of these individuals got out of prison.
	And then a short time thereafter, chose to commit crimes and go back.
	And I should say, I didn't mean crazy like that.
	I mean, institutionalized is a better way of describing it.
	Broken brains, like things don't heal from that, is my point.
	Yes.
	And I can appreciate now how your shamanism, if anybody even wants to think it's a little weird and quirky, could help you get through that.
	I mean, like you said to Malice, how do you even meditate and then get out of the state of meditation and say, oh, I'm still stuck in a freaking hole for God knows how long?
	Yeah.
	And that was what was so hard about it.
	So, you know, I didn't want to live anymore, but I also didn't want to die.
	So I just had to go through this every day for months on end, not knowing when it was going to end.
	And like you said, it was an interesting thing that you said to Malice, like, you don't dare say that to anybody because they'll put you on suicide watch and they'll make your life even more miserable than it is that led to you not wanting to live but not wanting to kill yourself.
	That's correct.
	I mean, is there evidence of, like, I mean, bathroom, showers?
	What do you smell like?
	What do your nails look like?
	Brushing your teeth?
	Like, what is, what do you end up looking like after this much time in solitary?
	My beard got really long.
	When you get in the shower...
	In Alexandria, they gave me 22 and 2. 22 hour lockdown, 2 hours out of the cell.
	Where I could either get on the phone, shower, or watch TV.
	When you got in the shower, if you asked for it, they would give you a single razor so you could shave your head or your face or whatever.
	I spent most of the time on the phone.
	Obviously, I would shower too.
	on the phone or watching tv outside of my cell um but dude it was it was rough because okay it's two hours out of the cell then get back in that cell and what time of day like what do you do first it's gonna sound so um spoiled what do you do for sunlight vitamin d i think dental floss is where i'm going but like what do you turn into a pale ghost and like like physically well They had windows on the cells looking
	out into the free world, which was kind of difficult to tell you the truth.
	You see people walking their dogs or driving their cars, and you're like, when is it going to happen for me?
	Why can't I be out there?
	This isn't fair.
	But the window is this wide.
	Like five to six feet tall at the moment.
	More like five to four feet tall.
	Goes up to like the ceiling and it's like this wide.
	So like you can like do this, you know.
	Not much sunlight though, you know.
	And I didn't see the night sky for months.
	No, it's amazing.
	Whenever I look at a plane flying over or when you're in a plane, you're like, I'm flying over, you know, someone getting murdered.
	I'm flying over a car accident.
	When you're walking your dog out there, you don't look in the building and say, There's a human being, a universe of consciousness, in solitary confinement in a box out there.
	It's horror to me.
	It's pure horror.
	Just really quick, think about what people were going through in the gulags in the Soviet Union.
	Think about the kind of strain that was happening to those people, because a lot of those gulags were out in the middle of the Siberian wilderness.
	You know what I mean?
	And the wilderness was their prison.
	There was no bars.
	There was no fences.
	Oh, you want to try and live?
	Yeah, you want to try and run away?
	Go ahead.
	You'll die.
	You know?
	Well, and I mean, even more horrific there is that their family has no idea where they are.
	Nobody knows what they are.
	And there's nobody raising social awareness.
	Did you derive any sort of spiritual comfort or encouragement from the people who were on the outside raising hell?
	Or were you even aware of it?
	Yes, I got lots of letters that were very, very encouraging.
	Pretty much 99% of them were positive.
	Lots of people.
	What's really interesting is as I'm in my cell praying to God, like, why did you ask me to do this?
	Why am I going through this?
	Please help me.
	Please help me.
	I would get letters from people that were in stacks of letters because they would go through all my mail and then hand it to me in one chunk.
	And the letters that I received were answering my prayers from that morning or that afternoon.
	The letters I would get at night were answering those prayers.
	But the funny thing is that the letters were dated from a week prior.
	So that means that God inspired these people to write a letter a week prior to answer my prayers a week later.
	I like your perspective in life.
	I don't know how you've maintained it.
	How did you know when you were going to get out of solitary?
	After my sentencing.
	Now, you pleaded.
	People are going to say, why on earth did you plead?
	And I don't want to get into the...
	I know it's very easy to find fault with prior counsel, and it's very easy to find fault with bad counsel.
	What did you plead to?
	Extraction of an official proceeding, 1512.
	It's a charge that was created for the Enron people because they were destroying tax documents.
	And before their trial, so they were obstructing an official proceeding.
	But somehow the government did mental gymnastics and twisted that around to get people for what happened on January 6th.
	It's just an abuse of statutes.
	It's bad legal ship, shall we say.
	It's legal bullshit is what it is.
	I mean, the idea that that's...
	What was it?
	Interruption of Congress or whatever it was.
	Obstruction of proceedings.
	Obstruction of an official proceeding.
	That was, but what they did for Kavanaugh's hearing was not.
	Oh yeah, that wasn't.
	What they did for the gun thing in, was it Mississippi, Tennessee?
	That wasn't.
	What they did for the trans debates, that wasn't.
	This was.
	And jail time.
	So he pleaded guilty.
	Was it one charge of that?
	Yeah, well, so they hit me with six charges.
	One of them was a felony rioting.
	Another one was a felony 1512.
	And then it was like, you know, parading on Capitol grounds, trespassing, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	So they said, look, plead guilty to this one felony.
	We'll drop these other five charges.
	And then you plead guilt to this, knowing that the range was, what was the range?
	41 to 56 months?
	41 to 51 months.
	The judge could have sentenced me to anything that he wanted to, but...
	In all objectivity, it seems that Judge Lamberth is just going within the guidelines, and I was very thankful that he gave me the low end of the guidelines.
	But if the prosecution didn't slap my plea deal with an enhancement, not a terrorism enhancement, just an enhancement of threatening a public official, which the story that they...
	Came up with.
	I mean, I just don't even want to get into it, dude.
	Did it involve your flagpole spear being a weapon?
	Is that what I understood?
	No.
	And the thing is, dude, the thing is about my staff is that the head that was on it was not screwed in.
	So if I would have just dropped it, like, you know, like pointed it down, the head would have fallen off.
	It wasn't a dangerous weapon at all.
	I was using it like it was a finial, you know?
	So...
	It wasn't intended to be a weapon.
	It never was.
	It's never been used as a weapon.
	It was not used as a weapon on that day.
	It was used as a flagpole.
	That was the way it was intended to be used.
	But the enhancement was because they said that when I was outside the building, somebody heard, one of the police officers heard me say, we're coming after you.
	And then in the same sentence or in the same paragraph, I mentioned the name of Mike Pence.
	So, uh, what?
	And then my lawyer at the time was like, Jake, this is the best I can do for you.
	Now, the current lawyer that I have now said, Jake, I never would have had you sign that.
	You gave away all your appeal rights.
	You know, the enhancement that they hit you with wasn't even applicable to what it is that they were trying to do.
	This 1512 charge, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, so, but the thing is, dude, Sun Tzu, Art of Law, never fight a battle you know you can't win.
	Yeah, that's it.
	In D.C., bro, they even told Enrique Tarrio that if they were trying him in any other location, the case wouldn't stick.
	They've said that so many times.
	Even Nancy Pelosi's own daughter said that if they were doing these trials in any other portion of the country, that they would get dismissed.
	But because they're in D.C., which, by the way, has its own laws.
	It's like an international portion that is outside of the United States government, outside of the country.
	It's the District of Columbia.
	Because that's where it's at, the system is rigged.
	Man, so you get sentenced to 41 months.
	Are you aware at the time?
	The difference between 29 months and 41 months to me is there's no difference.
	I don't even know how you keep track of time at that point.
	When you were sentenced to 41 months, were you aware that you could get out if you do everything right after 29, give or take?
	My current attorney, Bill Shipley, told me something to that effect, which is why I was so grateful to be placed in the RDAP program, because then that means that I could help drug addicts and I could at the same time get time off my sentence.
	One of the things that I thought about after I stopped working with kids was the idea of working with inmates, but I didn't really have any way of doing that.
	And after working with them for a little over a year, I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do that either.
	God love him!
	Are you officially a free man now?
	No community service?
	I'm on supervised release.
	For how long does that last?
	Three years.
	Three years as of when?
	As of May 25th, 2023.
	I don't know if I've forgotten to ask you anything.
	There were three rumble rants from our rumble rants.
	One was from Barbrisa Ariane says exactly, and I'm not sure what that was in response to.
	There is a line between I don't follow anyone and read my book.
	How does Jacob navigate that line?
	P. Moyer.
	And I don't think that's a sarcastic question.
	What insights are you offering?
	What do you want people to take away from your book if they're going to read it?
	Well, do the research.
	Everything that's in that book is designed to be fact-based, to be designed to place together the big picture.
	The compartmentalized puzzle pieces are all put together.
	As each whistleblower comes forward and blows the whistle on their particular compartmentalized portion of the system, of the security clearances and all that stuff, then you can end up stringing together all of those compartmentalized pieces and you can see what's going on behind the scenes as you listen to the testimony of each of these individuals, each of these whistleblowers, especially if you look to see...
	Who it is that gets killed shortly after they blow the whistle?
	People like Gary Webb, people like Phil Schneider, people like Bill Cooper, etc.
	If you look into these individuals and you look into what they're saying, or people like Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, look at the people that are persecuted.
	Look into what it is that they're saying.
	Because that Facebook whistleblower that came out before Congress in 2021 that was talking about Facebook and they need more government intervention, they were praised by the Mockingbird media.
	They were praised by the government.
	So that means they're doing what the government wants.
	If they come forward and they blow the whistle like, say, Gary Webb or like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden or Phil Schneider.
	It's death or virtual death.
	Yes, exactly.
	So what I've done is I've conglomerated all of these testimonies from whistleblowers, including whistleblowers that most people don't even know about.
	I've placed together all of these whistleblowers and all the things that they said, including people like Ronald Bernard and Paul Bonacci, including people like John DeCamp and the Franklin cover-up, including Alex Jones and what he did with the Bohemian Grove, and Zachary King, the ex-Satanic Wizard that did satanic rituals in abortion clinics and at Bohemian Grove.
	I've placed all of these whistleblowers' testimonies together, and I've also strung together the...
	The understanding of basics in psychological warfare and how it's almost like the thread between all of these beads and how these things are either being deliberately kept from the public or they're being contaminated by the Mockingbird media so people don't investigate these individuals and their stories.
	And so there's actually a lot that comes to it.
	And I'm not telling people to follow me.
	I don't want...
	Look.
	The greatest leaders are not the ones with the most followers, but the ones that create the most leaders.
	My book is intended to create leaders.
	As you look into everything it is that I have in my book, you then become a leader on my level of understanding about what's actually going on.
	And that's the only way we're going to win.
	I don't want to be greedy or selfish with your time.
	Do you have a few more minutes?
	I have a few more minutes, but I really got a piece, so let's make it fast.
	Okay, fine.
	What I'm going to do here, I'm going to end this on Rumble, and I'm just going to take some of the questions that we have in our locals community, if you're good with that.
	No, no, if that's what you want to do, yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Where can people find you for the Rumble side before we head over to the smallest part?
	Oh, you can find me, you can go to my website, ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.
	That is forbidden.
	ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com There's all sorts of free courses.
	My podcast is there.
	A bunch of my interviews are there.
	ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com There's also merchandise people can buy.
	You can also find a link for my book on ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com If you review all the free content...
	And you like what you have, and there's literally over a dozen hours at this point.
	If you like what you've read or what you've heard, then you can schedule a consultation with me where I can apply all the knowledge that you have been given for free and tailor them toward your personal ascension, spiritual ascension journey.
	And then if people want to book me for an interview, there's a bookings portion as well.
	Then they can also follow me on X or Twitter at America Shaman.
	That is America Shaman.
	At America Shaman on Twitter.
	I'm going to put all of those links in the pinned comment.
	I put your book there for now, but I'll update it afterwards.
	One more thing.
	I'm also on Rumble that people can go to my Rumble page, Yellowstone Wolf AZ.
	And then that's all in one word, Yellowstone.
	That's my personal Rumble account.
	You can also go to Forbidden Truth Podcast.
	That's my podcast account.
	And you can also go to the Occult Apocalypse Show.
	That is a joint operation that a joint effort that I do with a dude from X or Twitter.
	And we basically lift the veil.
	Amazing.
	I'm going to put all those links up there, and nothing happens on our end.
	I'm just going to click end on Rumble, and we're going to be live on Locals, vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	And we'll keep it quick.
	I've got to pee like a racehorse, too, but I'm holding it in.
	Rumble, thank you all.
	Jacob, amazing stuff, but stick around for a few more questions.

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