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Oct. 19, 2023 - Viva & Barnes

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Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy - Viva Frei Live

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	Good morning.
	It's amazing.
	There's so many things that are ironic, hypocritical, paradoxical about this video.
	Eric Spraklin.
	Eric Spraklin posts this video.
	This is...
	It was captioned breaking.
	Hamas sympathizers have completely taken over the rotunda.
	At the U.S. Capitol calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
	It got community noted.
	Because it said this is not the rotunda of the U.S. Capitol.
	It's the rotunda of the Cannon House Office Building.
	Now, I have not yet Googled what the Cannon House Office Building is in terms of political use.
	But I love the reading.
	Yeah, okay, fine.
	He made a mistake in his description.
	I think we all understood pretty much where Eric Spracklin was going with this.
	That we seem to have a takeover of government buildings for political purposes.
	And there were other videos going viral yesterday as well.
	And the question becomes the obvious one.
	Do these people go to jail for 10, 12, 15 years?
	How many of them are going to get hunted down by the administrative state, the deep state, the politicized Department of Justice, FBI?
	How many?
	None?
	None whatsoever?
	Oh, but the difference is they didn't take over the Capitol Building Rotunda.
	They took over the Canon whatever building that was Rotunda.
	Oh, that's why I know the word Rotunda.
	In the movie Trainspotting, when they had the issue about the guy having returned a video of intimate moments between him and his girlfriend, and she says, What do you mean you're Rotunda?
	Rotunda sounds like returned it.
	Okay.
	How many are going to get arrested?
	My prediction?
	It's a big fat goose egg.
	A big fat bagel.
	A Montreal sesame seed bagel is how many.
	The ultimate irony?
	Hypocrisy?
	Contradiction?
	Double standard?
	Why aren't people calling for a ceasefire negotiations in the conflict of Ukraine versus Russia?
	Or I should say Russia versus Ukraine.
	Why aren't people protesting for a ceasefire there?
	Oh, well, you can't negotiate with Putin.
	He's an evil man with evil intentions that can't be negotiated with.
	But ceasefire and negotiate with Hamas.
	I mean, that's the mutually conflicting positions here.
	Agreed.
	Different circumstances, different...
	And one can parse their way out of this and say, yeah, I think they need to negotiate and ceasefire in Israel despite the, at the very least, this particular attack being...
	Not provoked, although people are going to say it was provoked by decades of occupation.
	They'll say the power structure is different, therefore ceasefire negotiations here, but there will be no ceasefire negotiations or discussions of how to end the slaughter in Ukraine.
	That and none of those people are going to jail, period.
	Oh, a lot of haters in the chat this morning.
	My goodness, I tell you, the vet must be doing something right to have haters on my channel on YouTube.
	This is going to be fun.
	Vivek Ramaswamy is finally now coming on with Viva.
	It's Viva and Vivek.
	It's got a beautiful rhyme to it.
	And I should say, there's a lot of hate, but politics is filled with hate.
	There's a lot of love as well because, look, I'll tell you one thing.
	I like Vivek.
	I like the message that he's getting out there.
	Oh, dude, I think I can be like the best campaign manager or prepper everywhere because I can say, man, this is how you have to answer this question in the future and these are the things.
	Whatever.
	This is not going to be a Mehdi Hassan hostile.
	What is the word?
	Ambush style interview.
	Mehdi Hassan is the master of those.
	Even if I didn't like Vivek, it wouldn't be that.
	But this is going to be an interview with Vivek Ramaswamy, a presidential candidate.
	30 minutes.
	So we're going to not delve into childhood all that much, although I said I might ask a few questions of childhood.
	So 30 minutes with Vivek.
	When he has to go, he's going to duck out.
	I'm going to carry on with the stream, and then we're going to go on over to Locals afterwards for our Locals After Party, where we might have our Locals conversation with another local supporter.
	For those of you who don't know, weekly, maybe every other week, we do an interview with a member of our community, a supporter from our community, and we might be doing that later on today.
	Also, very important because today's a jam-packed day.
	After Vivek Ramaswamy, and after I finish with this stream, I'm heading to do an in-studio interview with Dinesh D'Souza, this will be our second, about his new documentary called Police State, which I just finished watching this morning because I got a sneak preview.
	So it's going to be a big day and a wild day because from Vivek to Dinesh, and we're talking about what is going wrong with The American system right now, the beautiful, I think, was it Ronald Reagan who called America the shining beacon on the hill?
	The beautiful experiment of democracy?
	You know, what was the pinnacle, the summit, the epitome?
	It was the goal to be strived for in terms of democracy, freedom of rights, individual rights, seems to be under attack daily.
	And boy, howdy.
	So that's the schedule for today.
	You all know the...
	Oh, I'm going to end on YouTube after Vivek because it's not going to be long enough to cut early and then go over to Rumble and VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com to talk about other stuff because there has been other news.
	Douglas Mackey, seven months in jail.
	The meme.
	The meme dude.
	Ricky Vaughn on Twitter.
	Ricky Vaughn was the pitcher from Major League.
	Sentenced for what they are calling election interference scheme.
	Because he made a meme that said, vote from home, vote Hillary, text 707, whatever the hell it was, hashtag DOJ.
	I'm just talking about the meme.
	I'm not engaging in election interference.
	He got convicted.
	First he got charged.
	Then he got convicted.
	And then he got sentenced.
	Seven months in jail.
	There's another person, I forget what her name was.
	Hold on one second.
	I found the video yesterday with the help.
	of our vivabarneslaw.locals.com community where everyone is very much above average.
	Ms. Christina Wong.
	She's a comedian.
	I'll show you the video afterwards.
	Who tweeted out a video that said, "Hey, I've gone full MAGA.
	Vote MAGA on November 9th.
	#ElectionInterferenceScheme." Seven months for Douglas Mackey.
	Seven months for everybody.
	Oh, lordy, lordy.
	Okay, so that's what's going on.
	Standard disclaimers, you know what it is.
	Barnes is right.
	Is right.
	I'm not going to probably get to the Super Chats during the interview.
	I asked, you know, the community if they had any specific questions that I didn't already have on my list.
	Probably will not get to all of them because 30 minutes goes by in the blink of an eye.
	All right, now I see...
	Our guest in the backdrop, but they're micing up, so I'm going to give it a few more seconds.
	Can you ask Vivek why joining the TPP would not gut the rest of the manufacturing in the U.S.?
	I'll flag it if we get there.
	I've got my questions.
	I've got some questions because I've got to get to them.
	There are questions that I've been asking myself, and holy cows, I've got to ask him what it's like to try to sit down.
	I was re-watching his Mehdi Hasan interview.
	It's an amazing thing to not be allowed to speak and to...
	Basically have to submit to being abused in an interview with Mendy Hassan.
	Now I see Vivek in the backdrop.
	Are you ready to go?
	He's moving the camera a little bit.
	Okay.
	I don't know that Vivek knows.
	He might know that I saw him back in L.A. when he was getting teamed up boy howdy by the other people on stage.
	Okay.
	This is going to be good people, everyone.
	Vivek, I'm bringing you in.
	In three, two, one.
	Sir.
	How goes the battle?
	How you doing, man?
	Well, I'm doing well now.
	This finally happened, and I'm mildly excited because of all the other candidates, I like DeSantis, but I like you.
	I say but, and I like you.
	But I've got some questions because people have questions.
	First of all, you're 39 years old?
	I'm 38 now.
	I'll be 39 by the time of the general election.
	A baby!
	You're a baby!
	The number one question that people have, it's the number one skepticism.
	They compare you to Obama because you're, you know, it's almost a flaw to be a smooth talker and to be able to think on your feet.
	But a lot of people question your sincerity.
	And I don't know how you answer that question, but what do you say to the people who say this is Obama 2.0, smooth slick, says all the right things, but if and when he ever gets into power, he'll throw us under the bus like Obama.
	Yeah, I mean, I obviously, not only to say I disagree with that is like almost the wrong thing.
	It's not an opinion.
	It's just not true.
	It's not who I am.
	But I get why people are skeptical, right?
	You got somebody who's young, seemingly comes out of nowhere.
	For the people who've been following me for the last three, four years, I didn't really come out of nowhere.
	But for most of the country, I understand that it seems that way.
	And we have been given good reason to be skeptical.
	I mean, you think about the number of times we have been lied to or duped by the government or the people in power or otherwise.
	Yeah, I think that there's good reasons to be skeptical.
	And so I invite the questions.
	All I would say is look at the things I'm actually saying.
	I don't think they sound very much like Barack Obama.
	In fact, I don't think they sound very much like many other Republicans who have failed this country for 20, 30 years either.
	Ending affirmative action.
	Not exactly a popular talking point in either political party.
	It hasn't been for a long time.
	Even the Republicans could have done it.
	Abandoning the climate cult.
	I think the climate change agenda is a hoax, and I'm not saying that as a slogan.
	I've gone deep in terms of the scientific arguments for why in a lot of my writing and elsewhere.
	Ending the censorship culture in this country, the illegality of using tech companies to do through the back door what government couldn't do through the front door.
	I was, you know, starting years ago before people had heard of me, the person who authored many of the legal arguments that are now being used in court to win those battles.
	And so I just say a couple of things to people who are skeptical.
	Go back to the lead up to my actually stepping down from my job as a biotech CEO to take on some of the views that I have.
	Look at the books and the articles I've published and then look at how that translates.
	Into what has since become the talking point binder that's popular for many anti-woke Republicans.
	And then one of the things I do, I mean, look, I hire people.
	I've built multiple businesses, hired thousands of people in the last 10 years, directly and indirectly.
	One of the things I do to look at somebody's sincerity is to say, what has that person given up, right?
	It's easy to say something.
	What sacrifice have you made?
	And so I get, you know, somebody's slick, smooth talking, fast talking, and, you know, everybody has their gifts.
	You know, when I was a kid, I wanted to be, you know, a guy who played in the NBA.
	That wasn't in the cards.
	I'm six feet tall and not an inch higher, so that ain't gonna happen.
	But, you know, I have been, you know, everybody has their gifts and I'm trying to use mine and communication and effective writing.
	You know, these are things that I do do well.
	But I get that that could look to somebody like, oh, slick, smooth-talking, you know, Obama-like salesman or whatever the criticisms are.
	A better metric to look at is what has somebody given up?
	What sacrifice have you made?
	Have you ever traded off anything for your convictions?
	You know, in my case, I'm not saying this to pat myself on the shoulder, but as people look to get to know me, it's worth getting to know me.
	I built a multi-billion dollar biotech company.
	I was in a comfortable position, well-paid position, as CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, and George Floyd dies and Black Lives Matter comes around.
	Every biotech CEO, every tech CEO, every major CEO in this country.
	Was reciting from a catechism around what you were supposed to do in terms of corporate donations and statements in favor of BLM.
	Now, today the environment has changed, but back then there was no tolerance for dissent.
	I went a different direction.
	I said companies should not be wading into this socio-political battle.
	And by the way, BLM is way off base for calling for dismantling the nuclear family structure.
	I was the only CEO in America, maybe one of two or three CEOs in America at the time, who was willing to say it.
	Multiple advisors to my company stepped down.
	Major backlash.
	I have to face a choice.
	Do I stay CEO of my company?
	It would have been easy to do it.
	Continue reciting the catechism that everybody else is reciting.
	I chose to step down from my job as a CEO to avoid negative consequences for my company, but so that I could still speak my mind freely as a citizen.
	Think about the things I'm saying on this campaign.
	I would say use your brain.
	I mean, you're thinking people.
	If you're watching a program like this, you're brought to it for a reason, is you're probably skeptical of what you're force-fed anyway.
	So, fine, stay skeptical of what you're force-fed.
	And think about the positions I'm taking on what the right path forward is in U.S. engagement in places like not only Ukraine, but Israel now.
	You want to talk about my position on Opposing electric vehicle subsidies.
	My commitment to pardon peaceful protesters on January 6th.
	Heck, my commitment to pardon Trump.
	Do the math in your head.
	Yes, I have a lot of historical connections on Wall Street and in high finance and in Silicon Valley.
	Do you think that's helped me get more super PAC donors into the independent efforts that support political campaigns?
	Do you think that's been helpful?
	Or do you think it's been hurtful?
	And you can look at maybe the other candidates that have refused to take those positions.
	They've done really well on the mega-donor circuit.
	That's not the game I'm playing, but it's not something that's lifted up this campaign either.
	Instead, I've chosen to put in whatever, you know, an ungodly amount of $15, $16, $17 million in my own money.
	So I would just say, think independently and ask for yourself, what sacrifice is somebody making?
	And then make your own judgments.
	And I trust the people of this country to get to truth on the other side of skepticism.
	I mean, to that, I do feel like...
	People often say it's an overnight, you've come out of nowhere, but with bamboo grows, whatever the analogy goes, it grows feet overnight, but it took years for the root system to be able to sustain that growth.
	And my retort to this is, by the way, yeah, you might be saying the things that are good for the people.
	But they're not the popular things to say politically, and that's one thing.
	So saying the right things, which are convenient for the wrong reasons, is far different than saying the unpopular things.
	Even if it is for the wrong reasons, at least you're saying the things that the people want.
	But my question is, are you not flabbergasted that you're basically the only one short of Ron DeSantis who is a little more reluctant sometimes to say the things you're saying?
	Nobody else in the GOP field is saying this.
	Are they out of touch?
	I'm not flabbergasted anymore, to be honest with you.
	Actually, my opinions on Ron have evolved through this campaign.
	For the more positive, actually, I think he's a good person and comes from a good family.
	I just think that these are people tainted by a broken system.
	And I have a front row understanding now, as an outsider before I didn't quite have the appreciation I do now, the super PACs.
	It's a game.
	It is a whole puppet system.
	It's the mother's milk of politics.
	And think about it.
	If you can't fund your campaign any way at scale to compete, other than to get massive mega donors into super PACs, then yes, you are beholden to what they want you to say.
	It's not your fault.
	It's not anybody else's fault.
	It's just the way.
	The system works.
	And it is just that broken.
	And so the farce is that it's $3,300 per person, per primary and per general election to be able to make a campaign contribution because we don't want corruption.
	That's the way the system works that way.
	And you can't corrupt a politician for $3,300 at the federal level, right?
	It's a lot of money for a lot of people, but it's not going to corrupt a politician who's going to dance to your tune.
	But $33 million probably will.
	And that's the way this game is played.
	And I am...
	You're catching me kind of nine months into this campaign at a moment where I have, frankly, become somewhat disillusioned and cynical and jaded by it.
	But then on the other side, all the more motivated to say we're going to come in and see if we can't just break this thing and raise it to the ground.
	Both the way the system works in electoral politics, get rid of the super PAC puppetry, but then get into the federal government, the equivalent shadow government that exists in the administrative state that turns the elected officials into really just...
	Puppets, not representatives for the people, but representatives, servants for the people who are the permanent state that's in that government.
	And so, on one hand, I'm at a deeply cynical and jaded place right now seeing what I've seen.
	On the other hand, I'm more motivated than ever to actually give this the best shot we can of seeing this through.
	My heart says we can still succeed.
	That's not up to me.
	That's up to the people of this country.
	But to answer your question, I'm not flabbergasted.
	I get it.
	I have a deep understanding of exactly why it works the way it does.
	It's not shock and dismay and thinking that this individual politician was a bad person or a sellout.
	Almost anybody in their position would be doing the same thing because that's the way the broken system is made to work.
	And that's one of my theories is that there's two ways to get to a person.
	One is to buy them, and the other one is to either extort or intimidate them.
	A young family.
	You have three young kids, I think?
	Two young kids.
	Two young kids.
	Some people are going to say, if you can't be bought, you can be intimidated.
	And look, politics is dirty beyond words.
	What do you do to quell that concern that you are vulnerable to the extent that you've seen what they've done to Trump, you've seen what they've done to his kids, and you're exposing yourself and your family to that backlash as well?
	Yeah, so, I mean, I think that...
	Fortunately, one of the things that I'm not saying it's easy, but one of the things that makes it easier, my kids are like quite young.
	One is a year old and, you know, 15 months old and one is about three and a half years old.
	So in terms of just like reputational slandering and the kinds of things they've tried to do to Trump's kids, at least that.
	The dimension of this is they're too young for it.
	And that's, I think, a big positive.
	We whisk them.
	I'm going to be, you know, later today, whisking them on the trip to our next campaign stop, right?
	And so they're happy to show up and, you know, okay, it's the next adventure.
	The campaign bus is in some new place.
	So in some ways, it's a little bit easier, actually, to do it when your kids are, you know, when your kids are actually that young.
	I think it's helpful to have kids.
	At least for me, it's grounding.
	You know, sometimes you're going through the motions and you ask yourself, like, why the hell am I doing bothering with all of this?
	I think that when I do have kids, it changes, for me at least, it totally changed my perspective on life.
	It changed my perspective.
	It was the year that I also left my business career.
	Part of the reason was all the George Floyd nonsense and the politicization of corporate America that I was sick and tired of and wanted to speak out about.
	But I wouldn't have done it if I didn't have kids.
	My first son was born that year in 2020 as well.
	And it also is one of these things that makes you take a step back and ask, what the heck is the point?
	I'm going to accumulate a bunch of green pieces of paper.
	Fine.
	Is that the inheritance I want to give my kids?
	I don't think it is.
	Most kids who inherited that kind of stuff end up being depressed.
	I went to school and college and places with many of them, too.
	The inheritance I want to give them is a country that is hopefully at least as good, if not greater, than the country that Apoorva and I grew up in.
	For me, it's a positive.
	It gives me my sense of motivation.
	They're not yet of an age where at least they have to bear all of those negatives.
	I think that there are more sinister versions of the question you asked, too.
	Look, I mean, what are you going to do?
	You know, you can't live your life in fear.
	I don't, right?
	I think that a lot of people might fear that the worst thing that could happen to them is, okay, well, we're all mortal.
	Right?
	I mean, it starts and it ends somewhere.
	So take that off the table.
	If you start realizing that you're human and you're not God, then you have something in common with the rest of human beings.
	Life is going to come to an end at some point.
	Might as well live it with purpose while you're given the short time that God's given you here on earth, right?
	So if you think it's being done by you and somehow you're afraid of...
	Afraid of the end and think your objective is to somehow make yourself personally immortal.
	Okay, great.
	That's actually the people who have great fear of the kinds of things that allow them to be captured.
	If you just acknowledge that we're all here for a fleeting time anyway, we're all put here for a purpose, we might as well make most of the short time that we're given, that there is more to this life than just the aimless passage of time and the fear of that aimless passage of time ending.
	That's certainly the way I look at it.
	Then, you know what?
	That ends up being a lot more liberating and A lot harder, at least, to be captured or intimidated to do something that you otherwise wouldn't want to do.
	And so that's how I'm looking at this.
	That's how we raise our kids to, you know, when they're old enough, certainly we hope to raise our kids to view the world similarly.
	Makes for a more meaningful life, at least.
	And whether that increases the odds of electoral success or not, I have no idea.
	But that's the way we look at it.
	It's a good perspective.
	I try not to live in fear, but my goodness, seeing the way everything has been weaponized for the destruction of the ideological adversaries.
	Now, speaking of the destruction of the ideological adversaries, Vivek, the biggest complaints or the biggest critiques of you.
	You didn't vote.
	I mean, these are non-substantive ones in my view.
	That's right.
	You didn't vote for a few years.
	But the big one is the suspicion about the pharma, how you made your money.
	Yeah.
	Your ties to China, which the three of them during the last debate were really, really eager to pounce on you for.
	I mean, that one was the most ridiculous of them, but I'll address them all.
	Well, let's start with, you made your money, and the critique is that you made your money by buying the rights to a failed Alzheimer's drug, hyping it up with family ties so that you could repurpose it, rebrand it, go public, have it fail later on after you cashed out your money.
	This is, yeah, I mean...
	It started from the left and the right has picked up on this.
	I saw, just so you know, like, I don't, I'm steel manning it as much as I can.
	I saw the analysis on Twitter and I, look, I've lost money in the pharma.
	I know the risk.
	I didn't need you to quote that 99 point whatever percent of medications fail.
	People know that who invests and if they don't, they shouldn't be investing.
	But that's the critique.
	Yeah, let me just address it.
	I mean, this is, there's some things that are different opinions.
	There's some things that are just wrong facts.
	This is in the category of wrong facts.
	I developed an Alzheimer's drug.
	It failed.
	Over 99% of them fail.
	Most drugs ever developed fail.
	I didn't make a dime on that.
	I was hurt more by that than anybody else was.
	But here's how I did make my wealth, and you're right, I have succeeded.
	Five of the medicines that I worked on are FDA-approved today.
	One of them is a life-saving therapy in kids.
	100% of those kids die by the age of three if they're not treated.
	A majority of those kids live lives of normal duration if they are treated.
	Another one's a drug for prostate cancer.
	Another one is for endometriosis, for uterine fibroids.
	Another one for elderly people with overactive bladder.
	Another one for psoriasis.
	Yes.
	That's how I made my money.
	We did, among other things, a $3 billion deal where some of those drugs were then sold to another company that markets them today.
	Another one is marketed by the company that I founded.
	And it's a $9, $10 billion public company today.
	And yes, I was the sole founder of that company.
	That's how I made my money.
	And so this ridiculous idea that the most sophisticated investors, biotech investors in the world, who were those who backed the risk, that they, like I, took, that there's a chance that an Alzheimer's drug could work and it didn't work.
	They all understood the risks of failure, as did I. I didn't make a dime off of that.
	Now, the thing that I've learned about politics is people can literally make anything up.
	And so that particular subsidiary was a public company.
	If you're a public company, you know exactly who's sold and who's not.
	You can look it up.
	I could have sold a lot of shares of that company.
	I didn't.
	Not a single share of it was a company called Axovan.
	Could have sold it.
	Didn't.
	And some of the people who worked on that were some of the most prominent people in the industry.
	I mean, the guy who was like one of the godfathers of an early drug for Alzheimer's disease was the chief development officer of that company.
	They all, like me, believed that this had a chance of success.
	It didn't pan out.
	Like 99% of other drugs in the space, it didn't pan out.
	The thing that was unique about me is that most biotech companies never get one drug approved.
	My company worked on five that are FDA approved today.
	And yes, that's how I earned a big chunk of my wealth.
	I'm proud of it.
	I don't apologize for it.
	And, you know, I think that politics is dirty.
	But what can you say?
	That was just an outright falsehood.
	What I love is, well, first of all, one of the catching catchphrases of the talking points was a teacher's union.
	I forget which one of the investors had lost money.
	And so, but when you were on with Mehdi Hassan and he says, well, you sold out before.
	It didn't get FDA approval when you sold out.
	As if that's a flaw.
	I mean, sorry, as if that's a fault and not a mistake on your behalf where hypothetically.
	Had you held on until it got FDA approval, although it had passed phase three, you would have made a little more money.
	He was referring to the fact that, and if you know the first thing about pharma, and I don't, you know, blame a bonehead.
	Like him for having not the first clue about pharma.
	What he's referring to is the drugs that succeeded.
	We took them through phase three to the doorstep of FDA approval.
	Some of the drugs my company kept and got through FDA approval and marketed.
	The other ones sold off in a big deal.
	Yeah, that's a big success.
	And so in some ways you have to pick your criticism.
	Either you're saying the drugs failed and I'm a failure.
	Well, that doesn't work because I got these drugs successfully developed.
	Some subset of them were then sold to somebody else to market them and that was a success of...
	Did the tune of $3 billion that my investors made.
	You've got to pick your criticism.
	And in some ways, if your agenda was senseless in the first place, then you're not going to make sense if you're Mehdi Hassan anyway.
	But I don't let this stuff...
	This stuff doesn't bother me personally.
	I just think it's important that people actually have the facts.
	Bottom line, how I made my money.
	Five drugs.
	FDA approved today.
	Multi-billion dollar company.
	I'm proud of it.
	It's probably one of the best track records in the modern history of the biotech industry.
	And, you know, I think the other criticism embedded in that is somehow, does that mean I'm, you know, of big pharma?
	That is the critique.
	And some people say, I don't even trust FDA approval, given what we've seen now with the jab.
	Fair enough.
	But some people are going to say, you're tied to big pharma.
	You're a snake in that.
	Is this show airing on Rumble right now?
	It is.
	Okay.
	So the easiest way I can explain this is...
	I am about as close to big pharma as Rumble is to big tech.
	Okay?
	So yes, have I developed pharmacy?
	Is Rumble posting videos on the internet like YouTube does?
	Yes, it does.
	Did I develop medicines like other pharma companies develop medicines?
	Yes, I did.
	Talk to other pharma CEOs.
	They despise me.
	And the reason why is I called Big Pharma's bluff.
	The medicines that I developed were in areas that pharma had systematically abandoned.
	And that's because of a lot of deep-seated, cultural, bureaucratic culture in Big Pharma, where they all go in packs to the same areas to avoid accountability for failure.
	So if they're all failing in the same area, nobody has any criticism that they take, and they can also set prices equally, etc.
	Versus leaving other areas behind that they ignore.
	So I developed the drugs in the areas that pharma had ignored at the time that pharma was ignoring them.
	And so in some ways, that called pharma's bluff.
	It's why they don't like me.
	And I have stood up to the bureaucracy of big pharma.
	I've stood up to other bureaucracies in the ESG movement and otherwise, which I can get to.
	But why did I bring up Rumble as an analogy?
	I'm a big fan of using the market, using commerce, using the economy as a way to drive change.
	And just as a side note, that was also why I became an investor in Rumble back when it was a private company, one of the early backers of Rumble as a private company, long before it became a public company today, because I love the mission in challenging YouTube and saw an opportunity to do it too.
	That's effectively what I did in pharma as well.
	It's what I did when I founded Strive in standing up to BlackRock.
	And so one of the things I think conservatives also, just to maybe be a little less lazy about this, is to say that...
	We want to win?
	Fine.
	Let's win.
	Do it by actually showing up and playing on the same playing field that the other side is showing up and winning on.
	BlackRock wins?
	Fine.
	Start Strive.
	Pharma's corrupt?
	Fine.
	Start a different way of doing it.
	YouTube's corrupt?
	Great.
	Rumble's a great new way to do it, and I've been involved in different ways in all three, and so that's part of how we win.
	You reminded me of the attack that you're on TikTok.
	How could you go on TikTok after trashing it?
	That was during the second debate.
	That's all right.
	The other critique was that you manufactured your drugs in China up until 2018 when Nikki Haley suggested you sold them when you were deciding to run for president, which temporarily didn't make sense.
	And my response to that is, and it's going to be the question, I don't fault people for following the rules.
	I would fault the government for enabling rules that allow for this.
	I don't fault Trump for not paying more taxes than he should.
	And if people don't like the system, fix the system.
	What do you do, Vivek?
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	So I would change the rules.
	They're very well-informed views on China.
	Yes, I have done business in China.
	It's not that the drugs were manufactured in China, but it was that we started a subsidiary to potentially develop medicines for the Chinese market.
	By the way, at a time where that was the new, in vogue, popular thing to do for every tech company, every company in America, the new frontier of the Chinese market.
	And so, you know what?
	I was founded my company at 28. I'm a young guy, looking at where opportunity is.
	Seems like that's an interesting opportunity to pursue.
	I did.
	Well, my eyes were opened, and I wrote about this in my first book, Woke Inc.
	I think it is, China's playing a downright dangerous game, using capitalism as a vehicle to advance their own objectives.
	So a couple years later, once I saw the risks personally of doing business in China, and my first company got the hell out of there, and then in my second company, Strive, that I started, I made a day one commitment that no American CEO has made, certainly not in the financial services industry, saying that Strive,
	the asset manager I co-founded, Would never do business in China, not because we were trying to be virtuous or virtue signaling about it, but because in the long run, if you have the boot of the CCP on your neck, you can't serve American clients if they're making you vote your shares in certain ways that don't align with U.S. client interests.
	And so that's a long way of saying that a lot of the other professional puppet politicians on that stage, they don't know the first thing about any of this.
	They're just spouting off, ironically, what many of them read.
	Nikki Haley.
	Funny thing is, she blurbed and complimented my book, Woke Inc., when it came out.
	Ron DeSantis, and I love that Ron read it.
	Ron's, unlike Nikki, not a total snake.
	But the fact that these people read it, I'm proud of them, but now they're using the talking points that I've served them up.
	From an actual knowledgeable way to somehow say that, oh, this guy had done business in China.
	That's idiotic.
	Every American CEO has, most American CEOs have led companies that tried to expand into the Chinese market.
	Turns out I was the only one that actually had the guts to speak out about it after I got the hell out of there.
	So what will we do about it?
	I think that U.S. businesses should not be allowed to expand into the Chinese market until China plays by the same set of rules.
	I don't think China should buy land in this country.
	I don't think China should be able to donate to universities in this country.
	And so those are extreme quantum leap positions to some that haven't been very popular with the mega donors in the Republican Party.
	But I understand that if we actually want to fix this, that's how we're going to have to do it.
	And yeah, I think that somebody who has experience might be a little bit better off doing this than somebody like a Nikki Haley, who, you know, pathetically makes $8 million in her few short cup of coffee stint at the UN, goes and makes millions of dollars I mean, that's the real corruption, is the people who make money off of public service.
	Somebody like that should never come anywhere within spitting distance of the White House.
	But in my case, yeah, I come from the outside.
	You're right, I didn't vote for much of my 20s, like most people in their 20s, it turns out, because I was jaded and disaffected by...
	Professional puppet politicians like the Nikki Haley's of the world.
	If that's the choice, then in my 20s I sat it out.
	But I'm at a different stage of my life now and said, you know what?
	If we're going to fix this system, let's actually do it through the front door.
	And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
	Well, I love that they fault you for having done business in China, whereas all the green energy policy is directly and totally benefiting China.
	And they don't put two and two together.
	And all of those governors, Haley included, but the other ones too, have brought Chinese businesses to their own states, bragged about it.
	In fact, that particular, you know, that particular vessel, Nikki Haley, corrupt vessel, was one when she was UN ambassador, called China our great friend.
	If you're doing that from a policymaking position as US ambassador to the UN...
	I think you're disqualified from being the next president, but if you're somebody coming in from the outside with actual informed views to say, "This is how I'm going to change it," yeah, that's what I think it's going to take.
	Now, speaking of George Soros, Vivek, we're going to get into this also because it's another one of the classic attachments.
	You took a...
	What was it?
	Not a sponsor.
	A grant.
	It's a scholarship.
	It's a generic scholarship.
	From not even...
	People think it's George Soros.
	Not that it might make any difference or a distinction without a difference.
	The brother and the sister of George Soros had a scholarship fund, which you took in 20...
	2008?
	10. 2010.
	2010.
	It was $50,000.
	And Mehdi Hassan, in understanding all finances, says you took this $50,000 scholarship at a year when you were making $340,000, as if those two are somehow related.
	And people say now you are indebted to Soros.
	You are a Soros puppet.
	You are on the WEF website, although I think you actually forced them to take you down and issue an apology.
	What's up with that scholarship, and how do you quell those concerns?
	I'm now convinced that I will never quell those concerns, and I will take them with me to the grave, okay?
	Even if we want to save the United States of America, January 2033, I'll leave this office and say that we shut down the deep state, we declared independence from China, but people will still, to my grave, it'll be somebody coming spray-painting my tombstone with the fact that there was a Soros scholarship I won at the age of 24, even though it wasn't George Soros.
	But that's okay.
	I've made peace with that.
	I've explained this a million times, but I'm happy to say it.
	I should say it more, because people are fixated on it, and I don't blame them.
	In a certain sense, we live in a crazy world, so be skeptical of everything.
	Fine, just get to the truth.
	I was 24. There's a scholarship, some guy by the last name of Soros, who's related to George Soros, but not George Soros, who has different views from George Soros, who made his money independently, who's now long dead, by the way, and has been long dead.
	It was long dead for years.
	I funded a scholarship that, like, generically, hundreds of kids, hundreds, thousands, I don't know how many apply for it, hundreds get it.
	I got it.
	I went to law school, got $50,000.
	I wasn't rich back then.
	Yes, I did make $350,000 that year.
	It was the highest amount of money I'd ever made.
	I was a young person.
	I was successful as an investor at a hedge fund, so I'm not going to apologize for that.
	But somebody gives you $50,000, that's still a lot of money to me at the time.
	I would take it.
	Would I bother going through the application process now?
	No, I wouldn't, because that amount of money just doesn't, thankfully for the success I've earned, doesn't mean a lot to me.
	Back then it did.
	So, yeah, I applied to the scholarship.
	I took it.
	I'd advise my kids to do the same thing.
	I'd advise anybody kid to do the same thing.
	Not if there are strings attached to it, but if there's a merit-based scholarship you can apply for when it helps you pay for school, have at it and go for it.
	That's what I would say.
	The irony is that much of this criticism has actually come not just from the Mehdi Hassans, but from people on the right.
	I just say open your eyes, people.
	Apply the same standards.
	Some of it come from people.
	In our America first base, I'm part of that.
	I'd say, if you're going to ask that question, it's interesting to at least note that there are other candidates in this race.
	I'm not holding this against them, but just hard facts.
	I mean, Ron DeSantis held a fundraiser with George Soros' investment firm's partner this June.
	And I'm not trying to play the silly game of gotcha, but if you're going to ask the question, then just...
	Open your eyes, people.
	I mean, Donald Trump took a $160 million loan from George Soros in his business career.
	Does that mean that I think he's some sort of Soros puppet?
	Of course not.
	That's ridiculous.
	I understand he's a businessman.
	And I was a 24-year-old smart college student or smart soon-to-be law student.
	Yeah, I was smart.
	I took it.
	So I understand that people make decisions either in their capacity as students in law school applying for scholarships or even businessmen who don't necessarily look at who's given them the best loan rate.
	That's probably the right answer.
	So I don't hold that against them.
	But I do think that for a base of people who have been force-fed by mainstream media, be skeptical of that.
	But be skeptical of what you're fed by, you know, some algorithm on social media as well or some super PAC feeding your mailbox.
	Just stay skeptical of everybody and get to truth yourself.
	Well, what I say is also, like, people presume that their understanding of the Soros name and brand today was the same in 2008.
	I was alive in 2008.
	So you're that young?
	I'm 44. I mean, I'm older than you.
	And, like, I remember I saw George Soros on 60 Minutes.
	The name did not have the same.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	You wouldn't have, even if you were going to say, well, you should have had the name recognition, it just, it wouldn't have occurred to, I mean, to most people in their 20s back then, it's just a random name.
	Like, that's what that was.
	There's also, like, about 50 other scholarships that I've applied to in one over the course of my high school and college and, you know, through the early years of graduate school.
	And so, yes, any scholarship that's merit-based, apply for it, fill something in through the website, helps you pay for school, go for it.
	And I would advise any other kid to do the same thing.
	Not if they're going to say, oh, you have to abide by some sort of code of what you do or don't say, then forget about it.
	Give the money back.
	That's my view.
	But short of that, absolutely.
	Do the smart thing.
	That's what I would say.
	And now these are going to be the relevant questions to the day.
	Ukraine.
	America shipping hundreds of billions there, neglecting its own borders.
	Israel, Gaza conflict.
	I'm not entirely certain what your position is on that.
	I mean, the question is going to be very broad, and I don't know how you answer it.
	How do you get out of these situations?
	What do you do to resolve Ukraine, Russia war?
	What do you do in the Middle East, broadly speaking?
	And what do you do to secure the border here where America could face the exact same problems that we just saw in Israel that we might see elsewhere in the world?
	So we're running a little short on time.
	So I actually just had a detailed discussion on the Middle East situation and Israel situation with Tucker last night, saying things that others in the Republican Party are too scared of their own shadow to say.
	But my view is on all of these things, we have to look at this through an American prism.
	I'm running for U.S. president, not president of the world.
	My moral obligation as the U.S. president is to the people of this country.
	And I will not apologize for that.
	That is just...
	The moral definition of what it means to be the leader of this nation, not some nebulous global citizen.
	So Ukraine, I don't think this advances our national interest.
	I think we should immediately get to a peaceful resolution, a reasonable path to peace.
	Is Putin a craven dictator?
	Sure he is.
	But does that mean Ukraine is good?
	No, it does not.
	I mean, Ukraine is far from some paragon of democracy.
	It's 11 opposition parties banned.
	All media consolidated into one state TV media arm.
	The guy Zelensky, the comedian in cargo pants running a country applauding a Nazi in his own ranks.
	You got somebody who's trying to threaten the U.S. not to do their elections this year in Ukraine if the U.S. doesn't fork over more money.
	The Donbass region that's occupied.
	I mean, these are Russian-speaking regions in Luhansk and Donetsk.
	That haven't even been represented in the Ukrainian parliament for up to 10 years.
	So cut me the crap on the good versus evil sob story that the Nikki Haley's of the world try to paint on that debate stage, duping the American people.
	Every time someone like her pulls the trigger to go to war, it's the cash register for her family.
	Forget about that and say how it's a reasonable path to peace here.
	I've outlined this in numerous forms.
	Freeze the current lines of control.
	Make a hard commitment that NATO doesn't admit Ukraine to NATO.
	But in return, you've got to have Putin put up as well.
	Get out of that alliance with China because the Russia-China military alliance is what threatens the United States.
	In the Israel situation, I'm worried right now that the ground invasion into Gaza without a clear objective is going to be a disaster.
	And if the U.S. is on track to funding this or backstopping this later, it's legitimate for the U.S. to ask those questions.
	I would say silly voices that don't think and process will say, oh, that means I'm anti-Israel?
	Forget about that.
	That's the single most pro-Israel thing I could say, is that we should have that open debate.
	Because you know when we didn't have it?
	In the aftermath of 9-11, which led us to, I mean, similar generation from me, $6 trillion, thousands of thousands of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan that we will never be able to correct or get back.
	I don't want to see us make those same mistakes again.
	And we need to be having that open debate now, yet everybody in the GOP is so scared to be able to speak up that I literally am the only person in this race on either side that's elevating what are the vital questions to ask.
	I think that in a deeper sense, that's actually pro-Israel, it's pro-America.
	I think it's going to be a disaster for Israel if they don't go into this with clear objectives.
	But if the U.S. is expected to fund or backstop this, yes, these are legitimate questions for the U.S. to ask, too.
	And just to those questions you were asking me in the beginning about, You know, some sort of plant or Trojan horse.
	Just do the math in your head, people.
	Do you think this is helping me?
	I can tell you from firsthand experience, okay?
	This is not helping me fund this campaign or with the fundraisers that we had planned, some of which have been canceled over people saying that these comments are inappropriate or whatever.
	We've had venues that canceled events that we were planning to based on the things that I'm just telling you relating to foreign policy, which is really the third rail.
	So just...
	All I'd ask for people to do is think independently.
	Use your brain.
	Don't swallow what you're force-fed.
	I'm a true America First candidate.
	I'm going to lead this country accordingly.
	I've got to get elected to get there.
	Right now, for every candidate not named Trump, that's an uphill climb.
	I acknowledge that.
	But the way I'm running this campaign for the rest of this is, you know, and you go through a process, you sort of learn there's certain norms.
	I could care less for the norms for the rest of this thing.
	My job is to do my best.
	It's why I'm doing stuff like this.
	Tell you who I am and what I stand for.
	If you want to vote for me, great.
	After knowing all that, you want to vote for a different person, that's cool too.
	But that's the way our system is supposed to work.
	And the one cancer in between is the super PAC and mega donor complex that stops us from having the debates that we're supposed to have.
	And I guess this might be the last question.
	I'll go and tell you, stop.
	Stats are what they are.
	Your likelihood is what it looks like.
	You would obviously accept a position in a Trump administration.
	That's not obvious, no.
	I think that I've actually mostly driven my career through the private sector.
	I actually am more convinced than ever that there are too few capable people driving real change in the private sector.
	Look at the things I've done.
	I'm even starting Strive single-handedly through, I wouldn't say single-handedly, there's others who helped in this, but I was at the bleeding edge of shifting the tides of the ESG cancer in capital markets.
	There's lots of ways of reaching the next generation.
	My heart says that the people of this country still want an outsider.
	And I think we'll come around to wanting a leader from the next generation to lead this country forward.
	I started at 0.0% in March, you know, coming in from the outside.
	And the people have been really following me for a long time.
	No, I didn't come from anywhere.
	But for everybody, I've come from nowhere.
	But to everybody else, it seems like a guy who came from nowhere, 0.0%.
	You know, I'm a major contender in this race, but still have a long way to go.
	I think that places like Iowa and New Hampshire where we meet people, even this, there's through a, you know, whatever, TV or computer screen or phone screen between us, there's only so much you're going to get to know a person.
	We spend hours with people, small groups of people in Iowa and New Hampshire.
	We'll see how that goes for us.
	My heart says we're actually going to be successful.
	I think the poll numbers are missing something in those early states.
	Most of the people who are coming to our events, and it's unique for me, not the other candidates, they haven't participated.
	Either ever or for a really long time in a caucus.
	So those aren't captured in what you're seeing in those early state polls.
	And so I think that there's a really good chance we're going to deliver a surprise in both of those early states.
	And so I will go first in January 15th.
	It's three months from now.
	And so I'm in this to win this.
	I think we're going to be successful.
	I'm not that attached to, you know, I don't care about sitting in the White House or riding around on Air Force One.
	Air Force One's probably pretty nice, but it's not that much nicer than what I've been riding around for the last few years anyway.
	And so I don't fetishize the office, but I am of the belief that it's going to take somebody from the next generation to reach the next generation.
	A true outsider, and I think you only get to be an outsider once, a true outsider coming into this race.
	And in this race, that's me.
	And so my heart says that that's what the people are going to want.
	And if the people decide that's what they want, we're ready to serve.
	And I expect we're going to be successful.
	Now, last one, I promise, because I'm going to respect your time.
	You said something that pissed a lot of people off, that you would contemplate pardoning Trump in addition to pardoning people that everybody obviously believes you should pardon.
	Assange, January 6th, there's possibly Trump himself.
	What's the rationale behind the idea of floating a pardon of Trump?
	Oh, sorry, a pardon of Hunter.
	Oh, I said I would pardon Trump, actually.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I think I might have said Trump instead of Hunter Biden.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So this is another one of these things.
	You already know how this game is played.
	There's some reporter.
	He's basically like a campaign operative adjacent person.
	And so he calls me after the Trump stuff and says, OK, you know, you've said that my principle for pardoning Trump and Assange and all these people, as I said, is not about politics.
	Anybody who has been the victim.
	Of an unjust, politicized persecution through prosecution, where somebody under similar circumstances would not have been charged for their political belief, they're eligible for a pardon.
	He says, well, that means anybody, not just the people you've named?
	I said, anybody, not just the people you've named.
	She said, it could be a Democrat, it could be Hunter Biden, it could be anybody.
	And my general point is, that's the case for anybody, in principle.
	I'm not going to preordain this set of principles by saying whether or not you politically agree with me.
	Julian Assange, for all I know, could be on the left.
	I don't care.
	So he distorts that, say, Vivek Ramos, open to pardoning Hunter Biden.
	It's just the way this stupid media game is played.
	The reality is, what's the real crime with Hunter Biden?
	People gun charge this or that, forget that.
	It's the fact that the Biden family has sold off our foreign policy to make their family rich.
	I mean, that's the real elephant in the room that nobody's persecuting or prosecuting or talking about.
	And that's not a partisan point.
	I think Hunter Biden and possibly Joe, if he was directly involved and if that's what a court of law comes to, these people should be spending time in prison if that's really what happened.
	And the facts certainly seem to suggest it.
	I believe in the rule of law and the court justice system playing itself out.
	But if that's what the facts bear out, then yes, they deserve to be fully held accountable to the fullest extent required.
	And so that's just the way I look at this.
	I believe in the rule of law.
	The other side doesn't.
	We will never be like them.
	And I apply principles.
	But one of the things I've realized is, like, I do these podcasts with people like you.
	You have the old media that's based on soundbites and individual quotes and sentences.
	And it's in a clash where I do these long form podcasts and every one of these, I'm sure this one will do the same thing, get me in trouble in some way.
	So I don't know what I said this time.
	It's going to get me in trouble.
	You said you wouldn't work with Trump.
	I can predict the one.
	I mean, I...
	I'm looking to be the next president of the United States.
	We're going through the sacrifice.
	We'll help the country in any way we can, but they're going to airlift something.
	And the old world media is going to, you know, purposefully take it out of context, partly because they don't like an outsider like me, but partly because they also don't like new media.
	And so this is their revenge for, you know, taking advantage of it in the way they do.
	Vivek, I think your camera actually just went...
	Yeah, I think we ran out of battery.
	That's why we're running out of time.
	You can still hear me, right?
	That's the cue to end this.
	Vivek, thank you very much.
	I would like to see your face while we're saying this, but thank you very much.
	Thanks, man.
	Let's do it again whenever you have time, but thank you for coming on.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Have a good one.
	Right.
	Well, that's the...
	This interview is over.
	All right.
	That was great.
	What we're going to do now, before I even give any commentary on this, we're going over to Rumble.
	We're going to go fraternize with the big tech on Rumble.
	All right.
	Link to Rumble.
	I'm satisfied.
	I'm not commenting yet.
	Thanks, Vivek.
	I'm going to comment on some of the critique that I saw, which I flagged, and some of the praise that I saw that I flagged, but that was fantastic.
	Okay, so there are 728 people on YouTube.
	I'm going to wait for that.
	There you go, 726.
	The link to Rumble.
	And what we're going to do here, I got lots of stuff to talk about before I have to end this and then make my way over to Locals to interview Dinesh D'Souza.
	I'm not even saying what I think.
	You all know what I think of Vivek.
	For those who say he's Obama 2.0, okay, that's a nice trope.
	It's rubbish.
	Okay, I'm going to wait for that number to go from 726 to something lower as everyone migrates over to Rumble.
	Or go over to, oh yeah, there you go, 639.
	Or go over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	How silly am I?
	Go to vivabarneslaw.locals.com, become a member.
	That doesn't require any money, but if you want to be a supporter, you can support for $7 a month, $70 a year.
	Everyone.
	It's above average at vivabarneslaw.locals.com ending on YouTube 3, 2, 1 and I'll tell you what I really think of Vivek on Rumble.
	I like Vivek, period.
	Okay?
	These rubbish internet like, you know, the jazz.
	You can conclude that you think he's Obama 2.0 but you need to substantiate that ad hominem with evidence otherwise it's just an insult and it's worthless.
	He's not an Obama 2.0 until such time as he becomes president and extrajudicially assassinates American citizens with no due process and no court order.
	Then if Vivek, and it's a two-part here, because had Obama never become president to be proven a hypocrite divider-in-chief, well, you could never...
	Fault him for what he said on the campaign trail because you would have never had the concrete evidence that he was lying through his teeth on the campaign trail.
	The difference between even what you might perceive to be Vivek's smooth talking and Obama's lies on the campaign trail is Obama was saying things that were popular politically.
	As far as I remember, man, I have to go back and tap my memory.
	Vivek is not saying things that are popular politically.
	The evidence to that is that he was the only one of the seven candidates on stage.
	That was saying these things.
	You got Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, war pigs, war whores, whatever you want to call them, can't support the continuing of the proxy war in the Ukraine fast enough.
	Who was the other guy from Nebraska?
	I forget his name.
	He was slower to that.
	I don't think he's as much on board with that.
	But what Vivek is saying is not politically popular with the political elite of the GOP.
	So maybe it's popular with the populace.
	Mindset.
	That's not a bad thing.
	And so he will never become an Obama 2.0 until and if he wins, becomes president, and then does a vote face, as we say in French, on all of the things that he promoted while running for president.
	Will it happen?
	Who the hell knows?
	Can he be compromised, blackmailed, extorted?
	Who the hell knows?
	But don't tell me that he...
	I wasn't totally familiar with his position on the Palestine-Israel conflict.
	That's basically my position, what I've been promoting for a little while or proposing for a while.
	In the face of the biggest intelligence failure in Israeli, arguably in Israeli history, but at least in modern Israeli history, you can't go from, we don't know what went wrong in our intelligence failure that...
	Couldn't prevent this or mitigate it to now we're going to rely on that intelligence to go bomb the hell out of a close, very small city.
	I mean, you can't say our intelligence is so good.
	We got smart bombs that will only kill the bad guys.
	Yet our intelligence somehow failed to prevent, mitigate, inform us of this impending attack that was two years in the making.
	So, you know, I...
	He's got the right answers, and they're not all politically popular.
	So you can't just call him an Obama 2.0 and think that that sticks, you know, unless you've gotten too used to the Twitter-verse rhetoric stupidity.
	And we've got, like here, I'm reading Bam Lowe says, soon enough you'll stop supporting Vivek.
	First of all, I'm not supporting Vivek.
	Right now, I think that the only person that anybody can support, even if you don't like him, is Trump because you're not supporting a person right now.
	You're opposing the degradation of the very system that made America what it is.
	I'm not supporting Vivek.
	I just think politically, he is on the right points.
	Much to his political lack of...
	What's the word?
	To his political not dismay, misfortune, as far as...
	Super PAC donations go.
	He's not wrong about that.
	Now, let me see if I missed any hrumble rants.
	I didn't.
	So that's it.
	That was fantastic.
	You know, people, you can't fake.
	I mean, I guess you could.
	You could fake it for 40 minutes, but it's much more difficult to fake sincerity, to fake knowledge, to fake awareness for 30, 40. Minutes, 60 minutes, 120 minutes.
	You can get on a Fox hit and you have your catchphrases and three minutes in, you're out and nobody discovers you're an idiot and you don't actually know what you're saying.
	Can't do that in long format.
	And the amenability to be open, I guess the amenability to the long format podcast is a testament to transparency.
	Willingness to be asked anything.
	And the willingness to possibly look foolish if you don't have a good answer on the spot.
	Now, hold on a second.
	I did not flag these.
	I said, can you ask Vivek why?
	Oh, I didn't.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't get to that.
	But also, there was not enough time.
	Look, I had my questions and I did my best.
	Vivek has said exact Obama lines.
	I want to address this.
	Howard R. Tid.
	The internet's an amazing thing.
	Not falsifies discourse, but it reduces discourse to gotchas.
	I watched that video.
	You think the analogy of letting someone who crashed your car, would you give them back?
	You think that that's unique to Obama?
	What were the other just generic, generic catchphrases that Obama was using?
	My good God, man.
	You think Obama was the first person to use those analogies, those comparisons, those cliched figures of speech?
	Give me a flipping break.
	Oh yeah, Obama's the first one who ever said, if you crashed my car, I'm not giving you the keys again.
	Dude, my father said that to me growing up.
	Obama copied my father.
	So, give me a break.
	This is not on par with Biden's alleged, what's the word when you copy someone's work?
	Plagiarism.
	I mean, you know, details of fact-specific stories is far different than general...
	Cliched, if you will, even, analogies about someone crashes my car.
	And they didn't even say it the same way.
	It's just the same analogy.
	Whoop-de-frickin-do.
	Get better critique than that.
	What's this one?
	Viveka said he'd pardon the Bidens if convicted to promote harmony.
	Can you pardon treason?
	Well, I believe he answered that question.
	And it was...
	The other thing is, pardoning Hunter, if it allows for some sort of...
	National unity, national healing.
	Not the craziest idea, but pardoning the Biden crime syndicate, the family, Joe Biden himself, the alleged crime family, for having sold out America, for having done exactly what they impeached Trump for.
	Impeach him.
	Impeach him.
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to impeach him, remove him from office.
	That would be the retribution, the political retribution.
	But anyhow, I believe he answered that question well enough.
	Keep going, Vivek.
	And I noticed the $17.76...
	What do they call that?
	Price.
	Amount.
	Quantum.
	And we got Finboy Slick with our first crumble rants.
	Let me get over here and just read this one.
	Confirmed.
	Okay, it's confirmed.
	Viva's dad is the origin of the entire conspiracy.
	No, I saw the video.
	That's not a compelling video to argue that Vivek is plagiarizing Obama.
	My goodness.
	I mean, they talk a lot and they say a lot of things.
	I just saw another rant.
	Paul Rose, 76, the same people who don't trust Vivek have total trust in RFK Jr., who changed most of the positions he's held for 30 years to attract Trump voters.
	Yes, the other thing is, it's a catch-22.
	Don't change your positions.
	You're stubborn, intransigent.
	And can't be reasoned with.
	Change your positions and you're weak because you changed your positions.
	At some point in there, it's going to be the golden rule.
	If you change your positions too often, it means you've espoused wrong positions in the past too often or you are a fickle political sailboat just going with the wind.
	Never change your positions.
	It means you're an intransigent, stubborn, arrogant, you know, whatever.
	What's the point in having a brain if you don't use it?
	So there's the middle ground, you know, change your position on things where you acknowledge that you were wrong, where the situation has evolved, and there's nothing wrong with that.
	So what I like about RFK is that he seems amenable to listening.
	He could be a total phony, but he does the long format.
	He doesn't shy away from questions.
	He doesn't, I don't know that he demands to vet questions.
	He doesn't.
	He sits down and he listens and he engages.
	Can you, I mean, forget Joe Biden sitting down for a long format interview.
	I mean, maybe Gavin Newsom would.
	I don't know.
	Would Gavin Newsom sit down for a long-format interview with an adversarial, not a sabotage attack dog interlocutor?
	Would Gavin Newsom sit down with me?
	Or someone like...
	He might sit down with Joe Rogan, because Joe Rogan...
	Attack or not would give him the biggest platform regardless.
	I don't know.
	Kamala Harris?
	Hells to the bells, no.
	Gretchen Whitmer sitting down with an adversarial press.
	Hells to the bells, no.
	Hey, no, that was great.
	Okay, I'm happy.
	Satisfied.
	I was nervous.
	I didn't flatulate, so that's always the sign of a good interview.
	How is everybody else doing?
	We're going to get into some stuff.
	Speaking of Joe Biden, let me just pull up the meme that I put up earlier today.
	You know, propaganda versus reality.
	Maybe it's not as genius as I think it is, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty damn good.
	There's another video, which I'll play for you in a second, of Joe Biden looking like a lost, and I'm not saying this to be mean or to mock.
	I'm saying it because my grandmother had dementia.
	She lived to 103.
	I know what it looks like.
	I know what it looks like in the eyes.
	I know what it looks like when a 90-year-old doesn't have dementia.
	I had another, my grandmother-in-law, Chubby Cheek Edna, sweetest, chubbiest cheeks you'd ever seen, was sharp to the day she died until she got abused by flipping COVID and the solitude that ultimately led to her premature death.
	But she was sharp to the end.
	Did not look like Joe Biden.
	Propaganda versus reality, people.
	Do you remember this?
	Do you remember this?
	Let me just get this.
	Oh, no, it doesn't.
	Do you remember this picture?
	Oh, look at that.
	His teeth are...
	He's not even grinding.
	He's breathing fire through the mouth.
	It's dark Brandon.
	Breathes fire as he stares Putin down.
	Give me...
	Oh, and look, by the way, look.
	Putin is scared.
	Oh, wait, I'm not zooming in on the right one here.
	Hold on.
	I zoomed in on my computer.
	Ah, damn it.
	What did I do here?
	Yeah, look at Putin's face.
	Can I zoom in here?
	What the heck, man?
	Come on.
	I can't zoom in.
	Look, Putin's like a little goof in his eyes.
	Versus reality.
	I don't know.
	And by the way, this is a screen grab from the video.
	I don't know what's going on with the chin.
	And I'm not making fun of it from a perspective of like, look at what someone's face looks like.
	Haha, I'm not a freaking eight-year-old.
	I'm not an eight-year-old with an improperly developed conscience.
	This is the doddling president of the United States.
	In reality versus how time...
	Oh, admittedly.
	That was three years ago, Viva.
	Disinformation.
	You're comparing a picture of how he was three years ago to a picture of how he is today.
	Let's get that video, shall we?
	Can I find it?
	Eh, I don't know if I'm going to find it.
	Oh, boy.
	All right, well...
	I...
	Hold on, hold on.
	Do I see something that's critique as a rumble rant?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Where is it?
	Okay, I see this comment here.
	Am I such a pushover?
	Are you such a pushover that you want everyone to like you?
	Didn't think I could see a bigger fluff piece than that Chris Sky interview yesterday.
	You think, beefers, if I wanted everyone to like me...
	I would have Chris Skye come on and express the opinions that he expressed yesterday.
	Is that what you think?
	That's how you make friends, especially within the Jewish community.
	Oh, beefers.
	No, I don't want people to like me.
	I want people, if they don't like me, to dislike me for the right reasons.
	And it quite clearly sounds like you don't like me because I allowed Chris Skye to speak.
	Freely, even though I disagreed with many of his interpretations of his perception of fact.
	If anyone hadn't seen that, it was a car interview vlog and I think I liked it.
	Do I need to contradict each and every statement that Chris Skye makes that I disagree with?
	Only if I'm trying to prove that I'm right and not trying to listen to what he has to say.
	Do I need to do it in real time?
	No, because the internet will do it in real time afterwards.
	Do I need to contradict everything that Chris Sky said in an interview where many of the points that Robert Barnes raised during our Sunday streams in direct opposition to that?
	Like, life is not a Twitter fight where everybody has to get the upper hand, the last word.
	Sometimes you can just actually listen to what someone has to say, even if you don't necessarily like what you're listening to.
	When I had Scott Horton on, I'm not there to prove myself right.
	I'm there to listen to him, to understand his perspective.
	And I gotta tell you, in as much as I disagreed with a lot of what Chris said yesterday, I can understand how some people feel it and believe it.
	What does that make me?
	So no, if I were a pushover that wanted everyone to like me, I gotta tell you something.
	I would have shut my mouth a long time ago.
	But people will either like me for what I say and believe, or they'll dislike me for what I say and believe.
	And if they dislike me for accurate reasons that are true and correct, Dude, I got no problem with that.
	I will judge myself by the enemies that I have made in life.
	Because you're going to make enemies one way or the other.
	Alright, now, speaking of other news of the day that we're going to get into.
	Douglas Mackey, people.
	It's absolutely outrageous.
	We talked about this at the time.
	I mean, I forget who raised this.
	Because I wasn't fully aware of how it was going.
	They were investigating.
	It starts off with investigating, but they won't charge because it's so preposterous.
	Investigating a meme.
	Then it gets into, oh shit, they charged him for a freaking meme.
	Oh, they just, but he'll get acquitted because the world hasn't gotten so crazy.
	Well, you never know.
	It's in the corrupt district of whatever.
	I think it was in New York.
	You never know.
	Hillary country.
	Hillary country.
	They just convicted him.
	Is this it?
	By the way, you got to love the framing.
	Far right Twitter troll.
	Twitter troll.
	First of all, a Twitter troll gets seven months in prison for election interference scheme.
	Holy shiot.
	Can we love that framing?
	Far-right Twitter troll gets seven months in prison for election interference scheme.
	The election interference scheme?
	Avoid the lines.
	Text Hillary to 70770.
	And it was racist also, because apparently the image that he used in the meme was a black woman, and so it had to be targeting blacks.
	I mean, that's just the way things work.
	The only way to avoid accusations of racism, apparently, don't use a black person in your meme, and then by being forced to exclude them for fear of the eventual accusation of racism, you get compelled into actual racism, which is exclusion of people based on race, skin color, whatever.
	It's never ending.
	First of all, he's a good looking dude.
	I don't know how old this picture is.
	It kind of looks like it's on photographic paper from 1996.
	Douglas Mackey, who the feds say went by the Twitter name of Ricky Van, was allegedly a prominent anonymous anti-Semite.
	Oh my goodness.
	Lock that bastard away.
	Because they said he's an anti-Semite and I'm Jewish, so I have to hate him.
	Holy crap.
	He was a prominent anti-Semite.
	Racist and Trump booster online before the 2016 election.
	Oh my goodness.
	Talk about persuasion.
	By the way, you got any of that evidence to substantiate those absolutely devastating accusations?
	Do you have any, like, you know...
	Evidence that he's a racist anti-Semite?
	The Trump supporter.
	I love how those are lumped together.
	If you're a Trump supporter, you're on par with racists and anti-Semites.
	A far-right Twitter troll who posted fake ads.
	Let's see if we're going to get a picture of the ad in a second.
	I clicked on that.
	Telling Hillary Clinton supporters they could vote in the 2016 election by text was sentenced to seven months in prison.
	Douglas Mackey convicted of election interference in March after a trial that drew the attention of anti-extremist groups and right-wing politicians.
	and pundits.
	Maybe they include me in there.
	Despite his arguments in court motions that his activities were protected First Amendment, also that they were troll memes Forget the First Amendment.
	It was a flipping joke.
	It was obviously a joke, and anyone who's too stupid to know that it was a joke, well, they'll get election interference by going to the wrong address.
	I had a better way to end that soundbite, but I screwed it up.
	Damn it.
	Despite his arguments, Brooklyn Federal Court Judge Anne Donnelly countered that he was being sent to prison for conspiring to take away people right to vote.
	No, you're being sentenced for a joke.
	Each of us has the right to hold opinions and express those opinions.
	Rather, she said, he used an insidious method of spreading lies to deceive people out of voting, describing it as, quote, Nothing short of an assault on our democracy.
	Alrighty, now I gotta know who that judge is.
	We're gonna open up that window too.
	Oh my sweet, merciful goodness.
	Nothing short of an assault on our democracy.
	How did we survive the Ricky Vaughn meme attack?
	Rather than...
	It's one of those...
	Okay, we'll just go to the end here.
	We look forward to Doug's vindication on appeal.
	Oh, Mackie, whose wife just gave birth Tuesday, will have to surrender to authorities on January 18. Donnelly denied his request to be free on bond pending appeal.
	Can you believe this?
	I said I would try to swear less.
	It's unfrontdoor believable.
	No bond pending appeal.
	He's in jail pending his appeal.
	That's what I understand from that.
	We look forward to Doug's vindication on appeal, his lawyer Andrew Frisch said after sentencing.
	Mackie declined comment.
	He's a Manhattan resident living in West Palm Beach, Florida.
	Gained fame and influence on the internet as the Twitter user Ricky Van.
	Posting under the avatar of Charlie Sheen's character from the movie Major League.
	Jurors saw his past Twitter posts, which included vile black and anti...
	I'm going to bring up all of these if these link to them.
	Vile anti-black and anti-woman remarks describing women as children with the right to vote and writing, quote, black people will believe anything they read, OK, Twitter, and we let them vote.
	Why?
	Let me see the context of those, if we can see those.
	One fake ad he posted shows a black...
	Oh, there it is right there.
	I'm with her.
	Text Hillary Hillary to 59925.
	A black woman.
	You have to identify race.
	It's not just a woman.
	I mean, I don't even know why describing the race in there would be relevant.
	Avoid the line.
	Vote from home.
	Jurors also heard from Microchip, a notorious anti-Clinton troll who tweeted hundreds of times a day to cause as much chaos as possible.
	Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Paulson called a prince's sentence essential to deter others.
	Okay.
	Look at this.
	He did it in Spanish as well.
	It's going to send a message to those people who celebrated what this defendant did.
	And it's going to send a message to those who want to follow.
	Oh, it will.
	Okay, but hold on.
	It's going to send a message, right?
	It's going to send a message?
	No one's above the law?
	Well then.
	Jail time for...
	Oh.
	No, no, no.
	I don't want that.
	Oh, son of a beasting.
	Hold on.
	I'm ruining the flow.
	I wanted...
	I wanted the video of...
	Oh, now I got to go back and find it.
	It's my pinned meme, so it'll be easy to find.
	Pinned meme.
	It's my pinned tweet.
	It'll deter others, right?
	It was an assault on our democracy.
	A vile, outrageous, egregious, indefensible attack on our democracy.
	Let's...
	Jail time.
	Jail time for Ms...
	I forget her name now.
	Hey, everybody.
	This is Christina Wong.
	Christina Wong.
	And...
	I'm coming out.
	I'm a Trump supporter.
	And I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, people of color for Trump, to vote.
	Vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th.
	Really important.
	This was in the video itself.
	There was a bit of a lag.
	Vote for Trump, November 9th.
	Election interference.
	Christina Wong, I suspect the feds will be at your door imminently.
	Right?
	That's how it works.
	No one's above the law.
	A vile assault on democracy?
	This is Christina Wong, and I'm coming out.
	I'm a Trump supporter.
	And I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, people of color for Trump, to vote.
	Vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th.
	Really important.
	Why does it keep freezing here?
	Come on, man.
	Whatever.
	Hold on, now I'm going to cough.
	That's it.
	Rules are rules.
	I didn't make them.
	And the tweet's still up, by the way.
	November 8, 2016.
	Like, on the day of.
	Hey, Trump supporters, skip poll lines at election 2016 and text in your vote.
	Text votes are legit.
	Or vote tomorrow on Super Wednesday.
	Hmm.
	It's interesting.
	I'm sure, like those protesting in the rotunda.
	She'll be facing jail time.
	Seven months in jail is the new standard?
	Christina Wong, I'd be nervous if I were you.
	Alright, now I see a joke of a rumble rant.
	Hold on one second, let's bring this up here.
	Viva, never trust anyone with two V's in their first name.
	Well, my real first name is David, so it only has one V. Bada bing, bada boom, I get the joke.
	Alright.
	Do we do anything else?
	I think we're going to have to...
	Let me see something.
	I'll get the remaining stories that I had because I didn't have that many.
	I'm going to go over to locals after this.
	Why did I bring this up in the background?
	Not now.
	What was this in?
	Oh yeah, here we go.
	Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	Hold on, let's just see this video in a second.
	But first, Colin Rugg.
	Who's Colin Rugg?
	I forget who he is.
	Co-owner and trending politics investor American.
	and he's got the Tesla thingy thing in his thing, so can't be all bad.
	Just in, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has called for the individuals at the pro-Palestine protest at the Capitol to be, quote, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the If they're not, it shows you that we don't have a legal system.
	It's lawlessness.
	Now, I gotta tell you, as I quote tweeted this tweet, I don't think these people should go to jail for 10 years, one year, maybe a fine.
	Call me a bit of a pushover, beefy there.
	I want everyone to like me.
	I want the Democrats to like me, so I don't want beefers.
	I don't want to punish them too harshly.
	I don't believe that they should go to jail for that.
	So it's not a sincere wish that they go to jail for 10 years, 15 years.
	But my good God, you have to understand the hypocrisy in all of this.
	Vicky Vaughn, Ricky Vaughn, sorry, Douglas Mackey, should not be going to jail for a frickin' day.
	Neither should Christina Wong.
	But what's good for the Republican goose is good for the Democrat gander.
	So jail time now.
	That's it.
	Those are the standards.
	It's a full police state, or at least it should be.
	It's probably more of a police state that these laws are only weaponized against one side of the political spectrum.
	Police state.
	Interview with Dinesh D'Souza this afternoon.
	She also asserted that the incident was an, quote, insurrection, end quote, and is demanding that the Capitol Police hand over all, quote, surveillance footage, photographic evidence, police reports, and arrest records relating to the protests.
	Quote, the Committee on House Administration must investigate this incident and review all the footage and evidence provided by Capitol Police, and the insurrectionists involved must be prosecuted But it wasn't the rotunda at the Capitol building.
	It was the rotunda at the Cannon building.
	And let's just go see what we got here.
	More than 100 people were arrested.
	Let's see what happens to them.
	I don't want them to go to jail.
	But the problem is, I don't want them to.
	I don't believe they should go to jail.
	And they probably won't.
	They might even get a fat check from the government like the interrupt the January 2017 protesters got.
	The people in jail for January 6th should be out.
	Period.
	And I had started off saying even the ones who committed violent crimes get them out.
	The problem is they've gotten sentences that are insane, untenable, politicized.
	And now I have seen how when you frame a guilty person, you might have to bite the bullet and let that guilty person leave.
	O.J. Simpson might have been guilty, but if you frame a guilty person, you screwed up.
	And if you politicized an otherwise guilty person and punished them in ways that they know...
	In no way, shape, or form could have possibly ever deserved.
	Well, sorry, you gotta let him go.
	Now let's just see what's going on.
	I can't hear what they're saying.
	Ten years.
	Ten years.
	Did the police shoot any of them?
	No.
	All right.
	Hypocrites.
	Lawless hypocrites.
	All right, well, that was the latest there.
	And then what else do we got?
	No, that's it.
	Oh, yeah, here, here.
	Hold on a second.
	We'll bring up the judge.
	Judge Donnelly.
	This is in Douglas Mackey.
	Nominated by Barack Obama on January 7, 2015.
	Well, there you have that.
	Let me see what else this brings up here.
	Oh, that was Judge Donnelly.
	No, okay.
	And then we got the indictment.
	Okay.
	Up we go.
	Okay, people.
	Look, I don't have...
	I'm getting close to the time.
	We're going to see if the locals supporter is going to be able to make it on this time for the locals chat.
	But otherwise, I'm going to go over to locals now.
	A little shorter than normal because I've got to go.
	Four o 'clock this afternoon with Dinesh D'Souza.
	Do I wear a t-shirt or do I dress fancy-like for the interview with Dinesh?
	What do we say?
	I'm going to look to the chat.
	Chat, do I wear a merch t-shirt or do I wear an Untuckit buttoned-up shirt?
	Viva doesn't read the chat, Selenium MC.
	Whoa!
	That aged badly in real time.
	Selenium MC.
	Viva doesn't read chat on Smiley Face.
	You take that back.
	I'm going to go...
	I'm joking.
	I'm going to delete the comment.
	Fancy?
	Merch?
	Merch?
	I was already going to go in.
	I'll bring both.
	Maybe I'll wear the Untucked shirt over the merch.
	Viva shirt.
	Honor.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm not getting involved in the fight there.
	Whatever feels more comfortable.
	Okay, now I'm going to scroll up to the chat and just see what we got here.
	The only thing that could improve this handsome man is a mullet.
	Hold on.
	Dude, I'm not cutting my hair anytime soon, but if ever I cut it, I'll leave myself a Samson mullet.
	That'll be fantastic.
	But no, no mullet.
	When I was growing up, I kept on asking my barber.
	His name was Jean-Jean.
	His name was Jean.
	For a mullet.
	Just leave it in the back.
	And he would cut it every single time.
	And now I understand why he was doing that.
	My parents probably would have killed him.
	All right.
	January 20th, 2017 was still a way worse event and no charges after over 200 people arrested.
	That's from C-Tuck.
	I do think some people had the charges stick.
	But no, the majority of them...
	And they firebombed a limo.
	They were protesting in the streets.
	It was, I don't know, worse or better.
	It was a violent protest.
	Not an insurrection.
	The sooner you realize that the left are the heart of evil, the sooner you can do everything in your power to prevent them from getting power.
	It says, I'm not your buddy guy.
	Oh, Viva, Jordan has suspended his speaker run.
	Oh, Jim Jordan suspends his speaker run.
	Well, Barnes is going to...
	Jim Jordan suspends his bid for U.S. Speaker Bax McHenry.
	Who's McHenry?
	Ooh, okay.
	Well, I'm going to tune into Barnes Brief with Bourbon's...
	No, not Barnes Brief.
	Bourbon with Barnes tonight and see what Barnes has to say about that.
	All right, we'll get a little more in the chat here just to prove a point.
	Hamas was created by Israel.
	LMAO says Fog666.
	Yeah, there's...
	Created, or at the very least, what's the word?
	Promoted, used to fight the PLO, to prevent...
	History doesn't repeat, but it tends to rhyme.
	Okay, what do we got up here?
	Okay, I'm not reading that.
	I'm not reading that.
	Oh, jeez.
	Well, I'm not ignoring the chat.
	I just can't read some of the stuff out here.
	Okay, McHenry is the gavel-slamming guy.
	The one with the bowtie?
	Dude, look, okay, I like Tucker Carlson, despite the bowtie.
	McHenry, speaker, he's the one with the bowtie who smashed the hammer down.
	Patrick McHenry is a part of a long bipartisan history in the Washington Post.
	I just want a picture.
	If he's wearing a bowtie, I can't get a picture.
	Okay, well, that's good to know who McHenry is.
	Giving the temp speaker more power would be a huge mistake, says SeleniumMC.
	And then we got to, okay.
	My family's from Palestine, says Fog666.
	I am, yeah.
	The world, sorry, the world is just shit at some point.
	The world is going to shit.
	I appreciate every side of the argument in that.
	But I think Vivek's answer is the right answer in terms of this.
	Going in and leveling Gaza is not going to accomplish anything.
	And it punishes the wrong people.
	Anyhow, okay, that's it.
	Now I'm going to be accused of all sorts of things.
	Okay, what we're going to do now, I'm going to give everybody the link to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	Mosey on over there.
	Tune in at 4 o 'clock.
	You'll get the notifications.
	This afternoon is only going to be on Rumble and Locals.
	Not going to do it on YouTube.
	So that's what I'm going to do.
	Come on over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com now and I will see if our local support is going to come in for the interview.
	I'll get some of the tips there and then I'm going to have to jump out of here and hit the road by 1 o 'clock.
	So everybody, thank you all for being here.
	As always, I hope you enjoyed that interview.
	I hope you enjoyed yesterday's vlog of the car.
	Yesterday's episode of The Unusual Suspects on YouTube Rumble value tainment thing.
	I did a podcast there.
	It was fun.
	I might do it again.
	All right.
	Go.
	Enjoy the day.
	I'll see you in three and a half hours, people.
	Peace out.
	Come over to Locals.
	VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com Peace.
	Okay.
	We're there now.
	Let me see here.
	Happy Florida Day.
	Is it Florida Day?
	That's from a crazy mom of six.
	Jeez, you've got six kids.
	You are a crazy mom.
	Okay, I'm gonna go to...
	Oh, there's McHenry with the pink...
	Okay, I should not be judgmental.
	But I'm thinking things.
	All right, McHenry.
	Oh, boy.
	The slamming...

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