Sept. 20, 2023 - Viva & Barnes
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| That guy got faked a punch. | |
| Hey, Joel! | |
| Don't fake a hate crime today, Joel! | |
| Don't fake any hate crimes today! | |
| Keep that megaphone away from your face, Joel! | |
| Don't fake any hate crimes, Joel! | |
| Don't punch yourself, Joel! | |
| Don't punch yourself again! | |
| For those of you who are listening and for context, I'm gonna check the audio in a second. | |
| I spent an hour trying to fix the audio issues. | |
| If there's a divergence... | |
| You know what? | |
| Before I even go, this is how neurotic I am, people. | |
| I'm gonna refresh and I'm gonna listen to myself for one second. | |
| Do I hear myself? | |
| Am I muted? | |
| Am I muted? | |
| I'm going to go to locals. | |
| Am I muted? | |
| Locals, let me... | |
| One of these days. | |
| Am I muted and can people hear me? | |
| I'm going to go to locals where I know I'm going to get non-joking responses. | |
| You are not muted. | |
| I can hear you. | |
| Sounds great. | |
| Did you hire a professional? | |
| Oh, hallelujah. | |
| Let's just start all of this again. | |
| For context, people, for those of you who are listening to this video and you don't know who Joel Harden is, member of the Ontario New Democrat Party. | |
| Sitting member of provincial parliament, he is the man who at the protest that I attended as a journalist or journalizing documenting reality, lied about having been punched in the face at the education not indoctrination protest back in Ottawa over the summer. | |
| Lied about having been punched in the face by an anti-trans protester. | |
| He lied. | |
| The aggregate knowledge of the interwebs... | |
| Discovered that he actually banged his own megaphone into his own face and then had the balls to lie to the world about having been the victim of a fake hate crime. | |
| So this is reporter on the street, and I'm using the words reporter and journalist obviously for context because of what we're going to talk about today. | |
| Pleb the reporter. | |
| Pleb the trucker. | |
| Heckling Joel Harden the liar. | |
| And try to claim a hate crime. | |
| No fake hate crimes today, Joel! | |
| By the way, he's got his... | |
| Two SLGBTQIA plus goons with him again, blocking him with a poster, a banner. | |
| What the hell do you go to a protest for to cover your face and to protect yourself from being seen? | |
| You go to a counter-protest so that people can see you and hear your counter-protest words. | |
| This is virtue signaling cowardice of the highest order. | |
| And yeah, we don't need to play the whole thing. | |
| It is pleb the reporter, pleb the trucker. | |
| Some would say berating. | |
| Others might just say... | |
| Heckling the living bejesus and rightly so out of Joel Harden, hate hoax, hate hoax hoaxer. | |
| hate crime hoaxer. | |
| He's gonna punch himself. | |
| Oh, here we go. | |
| Be careful. | |
| Smash it. | |
| Smash the like button. | |
| Don't. | |
| Fake hate crime. | |
| Protecting child earth. | |
| Oh, okay. | |
| And at one point, you saw Joel pretending that he couldn't hear, but saying like, oh, I can't hear you. | |
| All right, people. | |
| How's it going? | |
| There's news that I wanted to talk about. | |
| I'm going to talk about it later tonight or tomorrow, obviously. | |
| The British government... | |
| Is now inquiring with social media platforms, TikTok yesterday, rumble today, as to whether or not Russell Brand is able to monetize his content on their platforms. | |
| And TikTok apparently confirmed that he can't monetize his response video. | |
| And I think that they confirmed that he's not monetized on their platform anymore. | |
| What is it called when government works in concert with private enterprise and media to promote a common interest? | |
| It's called fascism. | |
| And we're living through it right now. | |
| They are playing for our freedom, for keeps, and they are playing dirty and they're playing hard. | |
| And nobody's going to know better than that than today's guest. | |
| Okay, so standard intro disclaimers, no medical advice, no legal advice, no election fortification advice, super chats, rumble mans, you know all that stuff. | |
| We're going to end on YouTube sooner than later because Piss off, YouTube. | |
| I'll post this later to YouTube, but YouTube is my now secondary backup and not my go-to. | |
| Rumble is my exclusive go-to. | |
| So we're going to end on YouTube and go over to Rumble. | |
| We're going to have the after party at locals, vivabarnslaw.locals.com. | |
| The guest today, the host, the host, I'm the host today. | |
| I guess I'm the host every day. | |
| The guest today, Stephen Horn. | |
| The question that is going to be the question of law is, what is a journalist? | |
| Is Stephen Horne a journalist? | |
| And was Stephen Horne just charged with and convicted of crimes of being a journalist? | |
| For those of you who don't know, and in our Locals community, someone rightly said, when you have a guest, always include a bit more of a description than what I've been including. | |
| I will. | |
| You're going to hear his story today. | |
| Stephen, I can see you in the back. | |
| You're good to come in. | |
| There we go. | |
| People, Stephen Horne, and let's hear this story. | |
| Share away, everybody. | |
| Share the Rumble link. | |
| Don't share the YouTube link, obviously. | |
| We're going to hear some outrageous injustices today. | |
| Stephen, because I have adjusted my way, could you just give a quick audio, and I'm going to let the locals community tell me if our audio levels are good. | |
| Yeah, thank you for having me. | |
| Oh, dude, thank you for coming on. | |
| How long do you want me to talk for? | |
| I'll let the chat catch up and tell us if one of us is way blown out. | |
| Thank you for coming on. | |
| And like I told you before, I'm going to ask too many questions and you're going to have to rely on your good judgment as to what you should not answer. | |
| But look, before we even get into everything, 30,000 foot overview as to who you are for those who may not know. | |
| Yeah, so I'm an independent journalist. | |
| I'm from the Raleigh, North Carolina area. | |
| I really prefer reporting on local stories, but on January 6th, I ended up reporting on the riot at the Capitol, which I was not expecting, but when I found myself there with a camera, I did my best to cover the news or the events that began to develop. | |
| Now, I've got to ask you this. | |
| Everybody in my community knows I'm a bit obsessive about it. | |
| You look about as young as my oldest nephew. | |
| How old are you? | |
| 25. Yeah, you're a little older than my oldest nephew. | |
| So you're 25. Born and raised in South Carolina? | |
| North Carolina. | |
| North Carolina. | |
| Cool. | |
| North Carolina has portions that are on the beach, correct? | |
| Yes, so there's the East Coast, the Outer Banks. | |
| There's sort of a chain of islands out there and then an inner beach as well. | |
| Alright, cool. | |
| We're not going to waste too much time on childhood, but I do have to know. | |
| Siblings? | |
| How many siblings in your family? | |
| Yeah, I have an older brother and an older sister. | |
| Okay, so you're the youngest of three. | |
| Okay, interesting. | |
| Are you allowed to say what your parents do or did for a living? | |
| Yeah, so I'm a computer programmer. | |
| I work at our family's, sort of small. | |
| Okay, very cool. | |
| And that's all I'm going to ask. | |
| That's as intrusive as I'm going to get. | |
| Youngest of three, interesting. | |
| Parents are not psychiatrists, which would also have been interesting, jokes aside. | |
| So you studied computer science. | |
| Did you study journalism? | |
| This is going to be relevant only because of where we're going with this discussion. | |
| Yeah, so I didn't officially study either computer science or journalism. | |
| I was homeschooled, so I... | |
| You know, basically learned both the same way, which is sort of picking it up through experience. | |
| Homeschooled for your entire elementary and high school experience? | |
| Yes. | |
| And I also did college from home. | |
| No way! | |
| If you do college from home, though, you have professors that are not your parents, correct? | |
| Yes. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So I got a degree from Thomas Edison State University, which is in New Jersey. | |
| Okay, very cool. | |
| That's interesting. | |
| So you did... | |
| Elementary, high school, and university from home. | |
| I'm going to ask an obvious, maybe not an obvious question. | |
| Do you have a fear of crowds or do you have agoraphobia or anything? | |
| No. | |
| This is just a decision that the way your life... | |
| I'm not afraid of crowds, but if I'm in a crowd like January 6th or like the riots I've covered, I am definitely very wary, but no agoraphobia. | |
| All right, now, so explain to us what you would consider to be your journalistic history, which is going to be relevant in terms of whether or not people recognize you as a journalist or an insurrectionist with a camera. | |
| What has been your, you know, what you would consider to be your experience in journalism? | |
| Yeah, so, you know, growing up, when I was still a teenager, our family did a 21 DVD documentary series on the Civil War. | |
| So we traveled across America, you know, filmed on location at pretty much every major Civil War site. | |
| So I had quite a bit of video, audio, documentary experience from that. | |
| I also worked on a project in Nigeria where we, you know, as part of a mission trip we were on, we discovered that... | |
| The headmaster of an orphanage or boarding school that was being funded by the United States. | |
| He was abusing his students. | |
| So he sort of did an investigation. | |
| We went over there for a week, interviewed a bunch of witnesses, victims, etc. | |
| Put that into sort of a video project to share with both the ministry and the general public who funded them. | |
| That was sort of the projects I had done before I started doing independent journalism. | |
| You know, where I was publishing my own stuff in the summer of 2020. | |
| Okay, that's very cool. | |
| So I watched your interview with Alison Morrow. | |
| Everyone should give it a watch, but it's going to be outdated now because that was before your trial, and now you have since been convicted. | |
| So when you said, when you described your prior journalism experience in making the documentaries, you did that with, I say, a family project and not to be demeaning or belittling, but you did that with your parents as part of your homeschooling, and it was like a bona fide, legit... | |
| Yeah, I mean, you can find it in some national parks. | |
| That's flipping cool. | |
| Is it on YouTube? | |
| Um, no. | |
| I don't really want to say the name, but... | |
| Okay, forget it, forget it, forget it. | |
| I don't want it to get kicked out of the national parks. | |
| Okay, fine. | |
| Understood. | |
| Yeah, but it was professionally done. | |
| We had a videographer with professional experience. | |
| We had all professional camera gear. | |
| And then, yeah, I was running around doing everything else. | |
| And the other one where you went to, what country was it again? | |
| Nigeria. | |
| Nigeria. | |
| And so if you go with a mission, I presume that you come from a religious family? | |
| Yeah, so my dad is a pastor. | |
| Okay. | |
| So you go to Nigeria and expose abuse within an orphanage. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and I... | |
| The story ended up getting picked up by the Nigerian media once we had done this initial investigation and further investigation later. | |
| One of the things that we presented to the judge in one of the motions, arguing a selective prosecution motion on First Amendment press grounds, was a letter. | |
| From the Nigeria Union of Journalists basically saying, hey, Steven worked on this project. | |
| It was a good journalism project. | |
| Holy shit. | |
| Okay, we're going to get into it now. | |
| So we're going to end this on YouTube. | |
| It changes nothing from our end. | |
| I'm just going to go end on YouTube. | |
| Everyone, you got the link to Rumble and I'll give everyone the link to Locals afterwards. | |
| So end on YouTube now and come on over to Rumble and then vivabarneslaw.locals.com. | |
| Okay, so now let's get into this. | |
| So you start doing independent journalism after these projects with your family, state parks, Nigerian abuse in orphanages. | |
| What sort of examples under your resume of independent did you submit to the court before we even get into the day of January 6th? | |
| So prior to January 6th, you know... | |
| It was, I guess, only several months before in the summer of 2020 when the George Floyd riots broke out across America. | |
| And I was looking at the media, the independent journalists and, you know, some of the new media journalists who are covering these riots so much better than the mainstream media. | |
| They're actually going on the ground, getting us video, whether it's, you know, Kenosha or Los Angeles or New York, basically all the cities. | |
| Minneapolis, you know, Atlanta, whatever. | |
| All of these cities that was, you know, independent journalists, you know, the type of journalists, some of them did work for, you know, some of the newer media corporations, but they were the ones that I saw, you know, out there getting the video, you know, whether it's people like Brendan Gutenschwager or Elijah Schaefer, I remember a lot of his videos, Drew Hernandez, Richie McGinnis, all the people like this. | |
| I was saying, hey, they're doing a lot better coverage. | |
| And so when I looked in my local area, You know, I didn't really see any journalists doing that sort of coverage. | |
| It was just the local mainstream media, you know, the local TV stations, local newspapers, and they were basically generally doing what the local media was doing across America and covering the riots, which was kind of, you know, staying back because it's dangerous. | |
| And some of the politics, they might tend to sympathize with what the Black Lives Matter protesters then turned into rioters were demonstrating about. | |
| So I started going out to these demonstrations in Raleigh, North Carolina, which some of them ended up turning into riots and basically documenting those and publishing them to a Facebook page that I created just for covering local news. | |
| All right. | |
| Wow. | |
| That's fantastic. | |
| Okay, so getting to the events of January 6th, You're 25 now, so you're 23 at the time. | |
| You're in North Carolina. | |
| How do you decide to even go and attend? | |
| What was the reason for deciding to go down? | |
| Were you in the area already? | |
| How did you end up in D.C.? | |
| Yeah, so basically, I'm not a Trump supporter, but I was interested in sort of the Trump or MAGA phenomenon, so I had been wanting to attend a Trump rally in person for a while, just because, as I'm sure you know from... | |
| Going on the ground to an event can be a lot different experience than just, you know, viewing it from your home on a computer screen. | |
| So I wanted to attend, you know, at least one in person. | |
| I'm sort of a procrastinator. | |
| So, you know, by the time the election was over... | |
| I hadn't gone to any. | |
| I hear about this protest on January 6th. | |
| You know, it wasn't like the previous two sort of stopped the SEAL protests in D.C. in November and December because, you know, Trump himself was supposed to be there. | |
| So I was like, okay, this is probably my last chance to, you know, observe this phenomenon in person. | |
| So I brought a helmet cam that I had made. | |
| From my experience watching journalists in Raleigh be assaulted... | |
| It was like a skateboarding helmet. | |
| I took some of the foam out on the inside and built a custom camera there so that I could be recording and the rioters who might tend to do violence to members of the media would not know that I was recording. | |
| I think many of the independent journalists took somewhat similar measures, though obviously they're not talking about that publicly too much because that kind of ruins the point. | |
| But yes, my understanding is that was sort of a common practice. | |
| Because when you're covering these riots, there's a very strong anti-media atmosphere where even people they perceived as their allies, you know, if you're just wearing normal clothes, they would say, put your phone away. | |
| We don't want you to film us. | |
| And then, you know, they'd go commit illegal activities. | |
| So I brought this camera with me that I had made, this helmet cam, because I had seen the reporting from the Stop the Seal demonstration in D.C. in November and also the one in December. | |
| I don't know if you remember the viral video of Charles Downs, where I think he and his fiancée are trying to make their way back to their hotel through where the counter protesters had gathered. | |
| They're attacked, liquids are thrown at them, whatnot. | |
| You know, there's also reports that Proud Boys and Trump supporters have been stabbed. | |
| So I brought the camera, not because I was expecting anything close to what ended up happening on January 6th, but because, you know, I wanted to be prepared. | |
| So if I came across any of this, you know, sort of street level stuff, I would be able to safely document it. | |
| Let me ask you a question, because you said in the beginning, I was going not as a Trump supporter, and I'm not a Trump supporter. | |
| And I'm not asking because I'm interested in the politics. | |
| I'm actually more interested in whether or not... | |
| Well, it's relevant potentially for the conviction. | |
| Are you conservative by nature, or are you a Democrat? | |
| Yeah, so I'm conservative. | |
| I'm definitely on the right side of the political spectrum, but I would be more liberal, and I would also have sort of apply a higher moral standard to candidates than probably most voters. | |
| Okay, fair enough. | |
| And I'm only asking because if you were what some would call a lefty Democrat and you got convicted by a judge, that would be interesting, and I'd ask you if you still consider yourself a lefty Democrat. | |
| Yeah, I mean, John Solomon is going up on trial pretty soon. | |
| I think the next... | |
| We'll see how his trial goes. | |
| And you say you had seen violence at prior protests. | |
| And I'm asking this, maybe it's called a bias. | |
| When I went to the protest in Ottawa, I saw no violence from what they would call the far right side, but the only menacing scowls I got were from the other side, the counter protesters. | |
| Had you ever seen... | |
| Had you anticipated or seen violence at a Trump protest prior to that? | |
| Or were you sort of anticipating counter-protester issues and, you know, the infamous fiery but mostly peaceful type protest? | |
| Was it for the response that you were anticipating or potential violence coming from the pro-Trump crowd? | |
| Yeah, you know, what I had personally witnessed in covering events in Raleigh, it was always, you know, left-wing events. | |
| There wasn't a whole lot of... | |
| I didn't, the specific ones I went to, you know, if they're holding them at night, you could get sort of a feel from, you know, what flyers, what materials they put out, whether this was going to be one of the entirely peaceful protests or a mostly peaceful protest. | |
| So what I had seen in Raleigh was, you know, exclusively, well, yeah, what I had personally seen in Raleigh was exclusively, you know, left-wing protesters that the BLM, Antifa sort. | |
| That sort of alliance there that I had seen doing violence. | |
| I had seen the property destruction that they were doing on the streets. | |
| Okay, so you've concocted a helmet. | |
| What type of camera are you using inside of it? | |
| Is it a GoPro? | |
| No. | |
| I don't know if you've heard of a Raspberry Pi. | |
| No, I'm going to Google it right now. | |
| Yeah, it's like a little computer chip that you can use for a variety of purposes. | |
| But one of the things you can do is buy like a little camera module. | |
| So it ends up being a lot smaller than a GoPro. |
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