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June 6, 2023 - Viva & Barnes
01:34:34
Interview with Natalie Jean Beisner, and Other News! Viva Frei Live
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Can't really see it behind the sign, but this is the study.
They're doing some serious renovations here.
The study, for those of you who don't know, is a very fancy private school in Westmount, Quebec.
Donning, because it's Pride Month, the 2SLGBTQIA plus flag, front and center.
The study is an all-girls school, just so everybody appreciates the absolute madness of this.
The study, flying the 2SLGBTQIA plus flag.
Front and center.
Apparently they have gender-neutral bathrooms inside.
That's a rumor that I have heard that I have not been able to substantiate.
It's an all-girls school.
Let that sink in.
We can end this.
I'm going to leave that up in the backdrop.
This is a...
Let me just bring this out.
An apropos beginning to what's going to be a very, very interesting stream.
If nobody knows who Natalie Jean Beisner is, and I think it's Beisner, not Beisner.
Beisner.
If you don't know who she is, you will after the stream.
Because it's interesting, like, the internet is a glorious place where you get exposed to things that frustrate you, but then you also get exposed to refreshing new voices, and you say, I'd like to understand the progression that led to that person's current voice.
And it's going to be interesting.
Now, but before I get much further into this, let me just make sure that the audio and everything is working, because once bitten, twice shy, three times traumatized, we should be live on Rumble, which we are.
We should be live on Locals, which we are.
Now let's rant a little bit before we bring in Natalie.
I have always been reluctant of putting people, putting institutions on what's called putting them on blast.
Typically what putting someone on blast means, means making public something which was not supposed to be public or not intended to be public.
I think it's since morphed into taking something which was intended to be public and giving it a bigger bullhorn than they apparently wanted in the first place.
I've always been reluctant about that when I had on Rachik from Libs of TikTok.
And I asked her, you know, like, you take these videos that people post on TikTok and you amplify them, do you feel a little, you know, potentially guilty about it?
In that you're bringing a lot more attention to the person than they might have ever thought they were going to get, even though they posted a video to the public on TikTok.
And she had a very good answer, which, you know, is the steel man or the answer.
No, they wanted this.
They shared a message with the world.
They made something public.
You can't then say, I made it public, but you made it more public.
I have returned to Canada for the summer.
I'm doing the loops, doing the tours, saying hi to friends and everything.
And I drive by this school, which is on a main thoroughfare in Montreal.
This is not tucked up in the middle of nowhere, a private school.
This is on a main thoroughfare.
It's a school called The Study, showing off how, I guess, progressive, how tolerant they are.
Posting, in Canada, by the way, it's called the 2SLGBTQIA+.
2S is Two Spirit.
LGBTQ.
The A, which I see sometimes and sometimes don't see, stands for asexual.
As if this is the type of discussion we should be having with, you know, elementary school girls.
Asexual, queer, trans.
What's the intersex?
And the plus?
Well, if the plus is for everything, what do you need the other letters for?
But I'm tangent.
The study, front and proud, a massive trans flag.
It's an all-girls elementary private school.
I think it's elementary.
It's an all-girls school.
Just let this sink in.
Do you think there's any parents of the girls at that all-girls school that might say, I'm not on board with all of this, but they can't say it because they might get ostracized and demonized and their kids are going to be the black sheep in the school?
It's an all-girls school celebrating trans-inclusivity while discriminating on the basis of the sex that they are denying by floating that flag.
Maybe some people are going to say they're not denying biology.
They're just showing inclusivity.
All right, do they let boys into that school?
Are they going to let biological boys, and I'm not even going to say, are they going to let boys into that school so that boys with their boy penis parts are going to be in bathrooms and changing rooms with the all-girls, girls' private parts?
And they post it public for the world because they are proud of it.
They post it publicly to the world so that everybody should see it.
And then if someone puts it on blast or shares their discontent with the message, well, then they're the bigots.
They're the intolerance.
Just leave us alone.
Leave us be.
Before I bring you another, I want to share this one.
This is just the absurdity of the clown world in which we are currently living.
And then we're going to get to Natalie, who I go back and watch everybody's first video to see their transformation over the life of the interwebs.
Her first video, which was...
You want to unify and you want to speak respectfully and disagree publicly and disagree politely.
We'll see how that's working out because I'm not sure that that's possible anymore because silence is violence and disagreeing with the religion of the day, the cult of the day is itself bigotry, discrimination, intolerance.
This is from John Pavlovitz.
I don't know who this person is.
Author of If God is Love, Don't Be a Jerk.
Puts out a tweet, and it says this, and this is reality, people.
Dear phobic Christians, not phobic Muslims, not phobic Jews, the only people you can pick on publicly these days, it would seem, the only group you can discriminate against based on ideology seems to be Christians.
But maybe I'm just oversimplifying.
Leave LGBTQ people alone.
I mean, it's literally like the leave Britney alone meme in real time.
And this is what the meme says.
Dear Phobic Christian, I don't know how you ended up deciding that anyone else's body, gender identity, or sexual orientation were any of your business.
They aren't.
Oh, I'm sorry, Pavlovitz.
Let me just see where, if ever, my tweet is going to be here.
You don't know where people started thinking that Someone else's gender, whatever was part of your business.
It became our business when it was rubbed in our face every day of the week for an entire month.
And I say this, I don't care.
You want to show off and you want to say who you are, that's fine.
You want to then say, it's none of your business.
Well, I can't find my tweet, but it's none of your business when it's flying on the top of Parliament Hill, when it's on baseball fields, hockey rinks, when it's on every single...
It's none of your business.
I don't know where you got off thinking it's any of your business.
I don't want to hear you talk about it, but shut up and stare at the flag and worship it.
And don't talk about it.
Don't criticize it because we're showing you what we think and we don't want to hear what you think.
No, hold on.
I think I might have to show the...
I'll show it just before.
Okay, okay.
And then we're really going to be done.
And then I said, I promise that's it.
Then I'm bringing in Natalie because I see her in the backdrop.
Politely.
I'm not sure if she's...
I'm not sure if I'm, like, setting this up for...
She's now uncomfortable that she agreed to come on.
Here we go.
When a group literally flies in on government buildings...
Here you go.
Check it out.
This is Illinois, state capital.
In schools, sporting events, music, movies, television, everywhere in consumer markets, they literally make it everyone else's business.
You're going to say you get to do...
A group gets to do this, and I don't get to say maybe it's not appropriate pushing this stuff on kids.
Maybe it's not appropriate...
Flying this stuff at all-girls schools.
And I think I'm fairly certain it's elementary.
Look at this.
None of our business.
This guy doesn't know where we got off thinking it was any of our business.
If it were left at let adults be adults, no one would care.
I have plenty of gay and lesbian friends.
I actually have a lot of people stopping on the street saying they're fans who then willingly tell me they are gay or lesbian.
Nobody cares what consenting adults do among themselves.
We are well beyond that.
Like I said before, Pride Month is now no longer seemingly about tolerance.
It's about dominance.
Okay, that's my intro, people.
Share the link around.
This is going to be fantastic.
Okay, Natalie.
Let's see if Natalie is now immediately regretting this decision.
I'm bringing you in in three, two, one.
Sorry, I went a little longer than I said I would.
Do I back this out like this?
I think the spacing is better.
I think so.
It was very zoomed in for a moment, and I was alarmed.
When I bring up highlighted comments, it won't interfere with our screen.
Natalie, sorry, I hope I have not.
I think you're familiar with my content, so this comes as a surprise.
No, I'm glad to be here.
Thank you for coming.
It's amazing because I saw, I don't know how it happened.
A few videos popped up on my feed.
I watched a couple and then I get a lot more and I'm like, very interesting of an individual.
And then I did a little homework and then I said, I'd love to have you on to see, you know, understand exactly where you're coming from.
For those who don't know who you are, I see the 30,000 foot overview before we delve into childhood and how you had this awakening or transformation.
Well, I like to say 2020 changed my life.
I don't know about anyone else.
And I was, for a very long time, a liberal atheist, definitely a Democrat my whole life.
And very organically and accidentally, I'm now a conservative Christian political content creator.
I've learned not to ask the question, which apparently I'm not allowed asking, but what is your favorite childhood?
My favorite childhood sitcom?
I really liked Family Matters, I think is the name of it.
Yes, Family Matters with Winslow and Steve Urkel.
Yeah.
And Full House.
Now I'm able to orient your age by way of decade.
That's as much as I'm going to ask.
So where were you born and were you raised?
I was born in Orange County, California.
And I was raised there.
I've been in California my whole life.
I now live in Los Angeles.
All right.
Orange County.
Now, for those who don't understand or don't know, is Orange County a reddish county within the otherwise blue state of California?
Or is Orange County bluer than the sky?
No, no.
I mean, it was red for a while.
I should preface all this with saying that prior to 2020, I didn't know what the heck was going on.
I wasn't politically involved.
I was just a Democrat by default.
But I think prior to the 2018 midterms, Orange County was definably red.
And then it's now a little bit more purple.
But definitely more red than Los Angeles, where I currently live.
And if I may ask, sibling-wise, are there many children?
Are you an only child?
I'm in the middle, which is probably why I was an after for a long time.
In the middle of how many?
I have two siblings.
There's three of us.
So an older sister and a younger brother.
And if I may ask, and you'll tell me when to shut up and stop asking, what did your parents do growing up and what was your childhood like?
My father was a real estate agent while I was growing up, and my mom, I'm very blessed she was able to stay home, worked sometimes often on odd jobs at Walmart, but for the most part, she was there during my childhood, which I really appreciate.
And growing up, I had a good childhood.
I was a weird kid.
I wanted to be a nun for a really long time.
I would put myself in timeout.
Whenever I thought I had done something bad, even if I had just thought it, like it came into my head, I would put myself in timeout and I would dress up like the Virgin Mary around the house.
I would put like, I had a nightgown and like a matching housecoat and I would tie the housecoat around my head and under my chin.
And I thought it was like a veil.
I think my parents were either alarmed or really, really like relieved that that was what I was going to grow up to do, but I did not grow up to do that.
Did you grow up in a religious...
I mean, I know that Christianity plays a...
I don't want to say plays a central role, but it's an important factor in who you are now.
Growing up, were you brought up religious?
Yes.
My family's Catholic, and I actually was blessed enough to go to Catholic school.
I was confirmed...
I did all the sacraments up to confirmation when I was about 16. But then I left the church when I was around 18 or 19, and I've only recently returned to Jesus.
Not necessarily to Catholicism, but yeah.
Now forgive the naive questions of the secular Jew.
You've done the sacraments.
What does that mean exactly?
Well, there's infant baptism in the Catholic Church, and then First Holy Communion, where you first take, obviously, the body of Christ, and then confirmation.
I'm going to show how long I've been out of the church, I guess.
But it's sort of, I mean, it happens when you're 14, 15, 16, but reaffirming your faith.
The Catholic Church and you choose a patron saint to sort of guide you through it, I'm probably butchering it.
But it's sort of like now I'm no longer an infant.
I'm no longer, I think, first communion is first grade.
Now I'm more of an adult, quote unquote.
And I am deciding for myself that this is my belief.
Okay.
Very interesting.
And so you went to a, I presume it was a private school if it's a religious school?
All right.
All girls?
Speaking of introductions...
Not like the school you...
Yeah, not like that.
I'm sure there's a...
I think there's some now, actually, that are Catholic.
I mean, that's a whole tangential thing, but Catholic school is not what it was.
I went during a good time, and I'm grateful that I went to school when I did, because this stuff that I see is crazy.
Someone asks, what is your confirmation name?
So my...
St. Joan of Arc was...
The saint that I chose.
So I think it's sort of like Natalie, Joan.
I'm really probably messing this up.
I'm sorry.
16 was a long time ago.
That's good enough.
That leads to another question.
I know who Joan of Arc was.
Were you allowed to pick your own name or was that picked for you by people who knew your character?
You pick a saint that sort of speaks to you.
You choose yourself.
And so at 16, you pick Joan of Arc, and I won't ask how many years ago that was, but lo and behold, today, you might be fighting a Joan of Arc-type battle.
That is a big...
I cannot say that I agree with that.
I'm going to humbly plead the fifth, but some days it feels like it, you know.
I hope I'm doing the Lord's work.
Sometimes I have to question, like, I don't know, am I just down in the mud wrestling in the gutter with people and maybe I should just log off?
Shut up and sit down.
What's her face said?
Oh, what's her name?
The Hawaiian congresswoman?
Chat's going to get it.
Men, shut up and sit down.
I don't know if I know that.
Chat, hold on a second.
Who's going to get it faster?
Rumble or YouTube?
We'll get it in a second.
No, it wasn't Tulsi Gabbard.
It was Hanunu?
The Hawaiian congresswoman.
Okay, we'll get there in a second.
She told someone to shut up and sit down?
It was in the context of the debate on women's rights, and she says men need to shut up and sit down.
It wasn't Gabbard, people.
Okay, so you do private school.
What do you do for university?
What do you study?
How do you get into acting?
And how do you get out of acting?
Well, I started acting in high school.
I'm very shy.
I still am.
And I just kind of discovered...
I love theater.
I feel very betrayed by theater and Hollywood.
I'm so grateful I was not an actor during COVID.
And I don't want to go back to acting.
I can only imagine if that had still been my dream during the response to COVID because I have friends who are still in the industry and it was horrible.
And I still feel a little bit of betrayal because I want to go back to theater as a patron and it's hard.
But yeah, I got on stage in high school and I just realized I could be a different person than who I was and maybe get out of my shell a little bit.
I was painfully shy.
And I went to university in San Francisco for a year, had some health problems.
I had some problems and had to come back.
And then ended up going to Cal State Fullerton.
And I went a little later in life than I thought I would have gone to college.
But it ended up working out.
They had a wonderful theater program at the time.
It was a very competitive theater program.
And I wouldn't change it at all, even though I'm no longer pursuing it.
I mean, as far as worthless degrees go, it's probably that, you know, but I think that it makes me who I am today.
I'm sure I'm using some of those communication skills, you know, being able to express myself.
Yeah, and I pursued it for a long time, about six or seven years in Los Angeles.
And honestly, I just realized that, I mean, number one, I still, I'm very shy.
So it's, as a lot of actors are, but it's a challenge to audition every day.
And that's what I realized mostly is that when you are professionally pursuing acting, your job is auditioning and your vacation is booking.
And so you basically have to be okay with the fact that you're nine to five sometimes.
Nine to whenever, very late at night, all sorts of weird things.
You know, nothing inappropriate or illegal, but just you're constantly auditioning, and that is what you do every day.
It's not paid work, obviously.
It's sometimes thankless work.
And I would just feel very much like, I don't really know what I did today.
Did I help anyone?
Did I touch any lives?
And it wasn't for me.
And part of it, a very small part of it, and this sort of plays into my story of walking away.
In retrospect, I can see that now.
A small part of it, not the main part of it, but a small part of it was Hollywood and theater, which, like I said, I really love.
It's racial diversity above everything else.
Whatever's going on in the culture, like Hollywood, it feels like it did it first and it did it 10 times more.
So the response to COVID, everything, which, like I said, I had left prior to COVID.
But I remember in 2017, 2018, That's when I first remember hearing these phrases like white privilege and seeing this push for racial diversity above everything, above talent.
I mean, talent comes in all colors, but just above.
There's only one kind of story that wanted to be told or that was going to be told.
And I noticed that even while I was still so deeply entrenched in the left.
And it didn't cause me to walk away.
I ended up leaving Hollywood for a lot of reasons.
That was one of them.
But it was something that clicked in my mind of like, This doesn't sit right with me.
And I don't know that I belong with these people.
And it's interesting because it took me a few more years to actually do anything about it.
But that was something that, like I said, didn't sit right with me.
And for a lot of reasons, I stopped pursuing.
You did a year in San Francisco.
What year was that?
Right out of high school.
I was there.
Early 2010s or late 2000s?
No, 2008, 2009, I think.
And what was the city like?
I mean, I don't know if you've gone back since.
What was the city like then?
And if you've gone back since, do you have a comparison?
I haven't been back since, thank God.
Was it the Dave Rubin-esque or what Dave Rubin shows us it is today?
Was it like that then?
I've heard it's gotten worse.
You know, I was really sick that year.
I was struggling with some mental and physical problems.
I had a pretty bad eating disorder and I stayed inside a lot.
So I really didn't experience it too much, which is part of why I came home.
But I think I was there when Gavin Newsom, I think that was his.
Tenor as mayor of San Francisco.
So I'm sure it wasn't great, but I've heard it's really, really devolved.
And I honestly couldn't tell you what it was like then.
Okay, we're going to end on YouTube.
We're going to go over to Rumble, and I'm going to see if I can ask a question.
You'll let me know if I ask too many questions.
I'm open.
Because I want to get the eating disorder, and then having decided to make yourself physically and psychologically...
Bear to the world.
It seems like a very risky decision or risky choice to have made.
I'm going to end this on YouTube, everybody.
The link is up there.
Head on over to Rumble in five seconds.
Hold on.
Before I do that, my brother said, Dave, you don't tell people what you're doing.
Everybody watching now, we start on YouTube and Rumble.
I have an exclusive agreement with Rumble, which means I end on YouTube so that this can be exclusively on Rumble, the free speech platform.
And then I post clips to Viva Clips or the entire stream to Viva Fry on YouTube tomorrow.
So you all get it on YouTube, but just after the fact.
So we're going to go over to Rumble now.
It's Viva Fry on Rumble as well.
Now everybody knows what's happening and I'm ending it on YouTube.
Go over there.
I can...
Explore this a lot more, because burying yourself naked to the world on the internet is not for the faint of heart, and it's not for the sensitive, and it's certainly not for those who might have past trauma.
We're going to get into that now.
Okay, ending on YouTube.
Done.
Change is nothing on our end.
Natalie.
Okay, if I can pry a little bit, the eating disorder, do I presume bulimia anorexia or something different, if I may?
Yes.
No, I'm comfortable talking about it.
I actually wrote about it a lot before I started.
Making political content.
So I guess I have a penchant for burying myself to the world.
Yeah, I would periodically starve myself and then I abused, I binge eating and abused laxatives for a very long time.
I mean, in a pretty severe, I'm aware that there are worse problems to have.
And this, I think from an outsider, sort of seems like one you bring on yourself.
It's very hard to understand, but it was pretty severe and I thought it was going to kill me for a long time because I couldn't stop.
First of all, anybody who looks at one form of mental illness or mental crisis and says it's brought on, but others are natural, there are chemical imbalances, but then some people might just say that all forms of issues are, to some extent, chemical imbalances.
So you would say not eat so that you would lose weight, but then if you binge eat, the idea would be to overdose or bone up on laxiness so that it comes out faster and you absorb less.
Yes.
And that is why I did not make it out to San Francisco very much the one year I was there, because I was busy doing other stuff.
I know I'm not going to ask the TMI question, but all right.
If I may just ask you this, when do you know that this is a problem that you have to address for yourself?
Does it require external interventions?
Or if you come to the acknowledgement yourself, what do you do to actually extend and ask somebody for help?
You know, I'm sort of a rare case from my understanding.
I fixed myself.
I'm still on a journey to fix myself.
I have an inkling it's a lifelong journey, but I was able to cure myself of my eating disorder, which is, I think, very rare.
But it started in high school, got really bad when I was in San Francisco.
I came home, and at one point, around 20 or 21, I just started reading self-help books.
It sounds so trite.
And I'm no longer vegan, but I became vegan for ethical reasons, which I no longer hold dear.
But it helped me, I guess, to connect food with some kind of...
I don't know whether this is healthy or not, but to connect food with something greater than me.
And so then it was no longer about abusing food, abusing myself, using food as punishment.
It was like, I'm going to eat this way because it aligns with my values.
I care about the animals.
And for some reason that helped me.
So I do sort of believe that there's different diets for everyone because veganism holds a special place in my heart, although I...
Very much love to eat animal products now.
So it sounds very weird, but it was a really challenging struggle.
I mean, I could not stop.
I would spend all my money on food and I couldn't stop binging and purging, honestly.
And I really feel for people who are in that cycle because it's horrible.
Well, I'll say that if you have self-help books and you're not doing it on your own, people go to therapists and that's nothing but a talking self-help book.
And then some people go to mental medications, which I...
In my very naive, superficial understanding of things, it's probably not the best way to go, but might be the most reflexive because it's the easiest for most people.
Something external just heal me internally instead of doing it internally, which takes work and which takes daily work.
It's not something that happens on its own.
I think at a certain point, I got tired of my own BS at a certain point.
And I don't know.
I do feel like, and this is kind of what happened to me in 2022.
A lot of times humans have to suffer before you change at all, and I definitely had to suffer.
It just got to a point where this is going to end me or I'm going to end it, and so I did it.
But it took some years, unfortunately.
And so you leave San Francisco, you go home, help yourself to get help, and then you go back to acting school.
Where was it again?
I went to Cal State Fullerton.
Before that, I did a lot of community theater where I really learned a lot.
I mean, it's great.
There's like this very vibrant, I hope it's still there.
I don't really know anymore, especially after COVID, but there's this vibrant community theater community in Orange County where people just, you know, they have their day job and then they do this at night and they love it.
And there's so many talented people who you've never heard of who are actors, you know?
And I just look back on those years very fondly.
I learned a lot.
No, Natalie, will it embarrass you if I bring up your IMBD?
I'm only laughing because people bring it up.
Trolls bring it up to hate on me.
I'm looking through the troll replies.
I don't know if it's a gotcha.
I don't know what the movie is.
But hold on, let me refresh.
Because it's this picture.
First of all, you were an actress.
You did some movies.
I don't know what that was.
But what is the gotcha that people think they're getting you on by posting?
Was it a horrible, what's the word I'm looking for?
Lurid?
Was it an awful, disgusting movie?
Or do people just think they're embarrassing you by showing you images of your youth or younger?
I think, you know, is the real the greatest real in the world?
No.
But it's out there.
You know, you're not exactly Columbo finding my IMDb there.
Look, I did, I will say this for myself, I did a lot of theater.
I love theater.
And I, maybe I'm more...
I think I have a little bit more of a presence on stage than on camera.
On camera, it's really easy to pick yourself and pick other people apart.
The movie, it's not like you did a Satan movie which juxtaposes with your Christian beliefs.
The movie itself was not...
What's the word I'm looking for?
Disgustingly immoral.
It's just people think that they're embarrassing.
And even if it was, I have done a lot of stuff that juxtaposes with who I am today.
And I'm honest about that, that I was a liberal atheist Democrat.
Not that Democrat is necessarily part of it, but it plays a part of my story.
And now I'm not.
So I'm not ashamed of anything.
I didn't just fall from heaven in 2020 with all of my beliefs implanted inside myself.
So there's nothing out there that someone's going to...
You know, make me feel bad about it.
I saw The Troll.
I didn't understand what the purpose of The Troll was because I hadn't seen the movie.
Now, the question I wanted to ask you from my own personal knowledge, you're doing auditions in Hollywood.
You're doing the scene.
What does that life look like?
Are you living in a stereotypical small apartment, doing multiple auditions a day while working a job that you don't like just so that you can keep auditioning?
It is exactly like that.
Yeah.
It takes a special kind of person.
And it's like La La Land, except without the Ryan Gosling part.
I mean, it's like every movie.
Any portrayal of actors, that is what I experienced.
It really is a thankless job.
You know, I had so many strange experiences going in and auditioning.
This one story stands out of I had an appointment to audition.
They had seen my photo.
They had seen my reel, which, you know, we all agree is decent, you know, but possibly terrible in some people's eyes.
But they called me in to audition.
And then when I was in the waiting room, they came out and said, never mind.
You know, we don't we don't need to see you.
So it's stuff like that where I drove through Hollywood at rush hour traffic parked.
And then you had already seen my face, already seen whatever I look like, and then suddenly you don't want me in the room.
You know, it's a very...
People treat actors either justifiably or not very poorly.
And you do, it takes an indomitable spirit and you've got to really, really want this.
And having tasted a tiny fraction of it by having my walkaway video go a little bit viral, you know, I'm still a nobody, but I don't think I would want, I don't think I, I'm glad I didn't pursue the acting because gosh, it's hard to be under that microscope and have people searching.
Through your dark interwebs of your past, I mean, yes.
I admire people who pursue it.
Not knowing exactly how it works, but I have something of an idea.
When you have those, they're not called press kits, but your bios and you send them out and it's got a picture and it's got your credentials.
I'm going to ask the indiscreet question.
I don't need the answer, but do you also put height and those physical attributes on the thing so it's not like you show up and you're either six feet tall or five feet tall and they're wildly surprised?
No, you put your height and you're always supposed to have a photo that matches your physical appearance now.
I'm not really sure what happened with that.
Funnily enough, I was working in restaurants in 2019-2020 when COVID happened, and the producer from that, the poor girl who had to come out and tell me, she was so embarrassed, you know, never mind, we're actually good today.
She recognized me while I was waiting tables, and she apologized, and this was at least a year and a half later.
So in the end, it worked out, but I still don't know what happened with that.
But it's just little things like that where...
It's like you give up your time and you're basically making a fool of yourself and being incredibly vulnerable in front of strangers all day long.
And that's a hard ask.
I'm going to ask the other question, which is the nosy one.
We know of what we call the debauchery, depravity, all of the nasty stuff from the Harvey Weinstein pinnacle of the nastiness to the more indiscreet stuff.
As a young woman who looks like how you look, Was that an experience that you had?
You'll get the job if that sort of disgusting aspect of the seediness of Hollywood.
No.
No, it wasn't.
Honestly, I don't think I was in big enough rooms for better or worse to experience that.
I've experienced far worse as I think we all have online.
I did not experience that part of Hollywood, but I'm sure it's real.
We're going to get there as well.
I'm trying to find your walkaway video.
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to find it quickly enough, but if you have it and you can send it to me and you don't mind us watching it...
Yeah, I mean, it's very lengthy, but I definitely have it on my...
It's on my Rumble, on my Twitter.
Well, if you find it quickly, then you can flip it to me and we'll play a little piece of that.
I mean, was your walkaway part of...
I can't believe it.
I forget his freaking name now.
Brandon.
Oh, Brandon Strzok.
I'm sorry.
And I've had him on the channel.
Was this part of the...
Was this part of the same movement?
Well, he's been very welcoming.
I think I'm sending my walkaway video to you now over Twitter and DM.
Yeah, he's been very welcoming.
He walked away a lot, much earlier than I did.
I think it was, I'm going to probably mess it up, five or six years ago.
Yeah.
And it's a huge movement, and he was the head of this movement, still is, and now he has his own social media for WalkAway.
It's a social media app where you can go on and share your WalkAway video.
So he is what inspired me to film that, because he started this app.
He was calling for videos, and even though this story takes place in 2020, I filmed it just a couple weeks ago, and I wouldn't have done it if it had not been for Brandon.
Okay, now hold on.
I'm pulling it up, people.
Let me see here.
It's a big American flag of a backdrop here.
Hold on.
We'll watch just one second of this.
I think this is it right here.
Yeah, this is it.
Good.
Okay.
Here.
We're not playing the whole thing, but I'll share with the chat.
What bothered me the most was that these people absolutely refused to acknowledge that I might have any honest reason for disagreeing with them.
And that felt like a punch in the gut, especially on top of the fact that...
I couldn't go to work, but I was being encouraged to go out and protest.
I'm Natalie Beisner.
I am a conservative Christian and a political content creator.
But before that, I was an atheist Democrat for a long time, and I didn't know anything about politics.
That is as much as we're going to play now.
I know the Thomas Sowell quote, which is, what is it?
Some people assume that nobody has any honest reason for disagreeing with them.
Yes, one of the most pathetic and dangerous signs of our times is the growing number of individuals and groups that believe no one can have any honest reason for disagreeing with them.
Paraphrasing a bit, but that's something that stuck out with me from the moment that I started speaking out two years ago, and it's why I speak out still.
So speaking out two years ago is post-COVID, and I think COVID, well, I think Trump was the first thing that broke a lot of people's minds and broke a lot of people's psychological barriers, and then COVID happened, and then it made people realize just how corrupt and disgusting.
Every layer of society is.
What were you, who did you, if I may ask, I never asked this, I won't ask it.
Politically 2016, where were you?
I drove 100 miles round trip just to vote for Hillary Clinton for president.
Okay.
I share that in the video.
I mean, that gives you an idea of how politically motivated.
I wasn't even registered in the Wright County, but I was so with her.
And I remember going into the booth.
It was when they still had booze and it wasn't all digital now.
And I feel like everyone can see the screen.
And I just voted for her.
I didn't know anything else on the ballot.
And I turned right around and went home.
That was the extent of my political involvement.
Let me ask this.
You do this.
Is it because your parents did it?
Is it because we all thought you're...
You are liberal because you vote liberal.
You are progressive if you vote Democrat.
Where did the indoctrination come from as far as you're concerned?
Not my parents.
My parents are more Republican-leaning.
And in fact, I'm grateful because I hated Donald Trump.
Right up through basically mid-2020.
And I couldn't tell you why.
And it's embarrassing to say, but I am a critical thinker.
I'm an intelligent person.
But it did not extend as far as politics.
And I just completely bought...
I still have criticisms of Donald Trump, but I just bought everything that they wanted me to believe.
I saw the clips exactly how they wanted me to see them.
And I thought, you know, racist, sexist, everything.
And I just took it as gospel truth.
But my father was a Trump supporter in 2016, especially.
And so I'm grateful for that because it kept me a little bit grounded because everything that they were saying about Trump supporters is not true of my father.
So even though I vehemently disagreed with him, I was able at least to recognize, okay, well, they're not all this way.
And some of what they're...
And I'm grateful for that because it kept me a little bit sane because I really hated Donald Trump.
But no, so it wasn't because of my parents.
I think it's just really easy to be accidentally, peripherally Democrat, you know, especially in Southern California, especially having been an actress for so long.
And I just, you know, I thought compassionate people vote Democrat and Democrats are compassionate people.
And I just, I didn't.
I didn't question it.
I didn't have any reason to question it, unfortunately, before 2020.
And then in 2020, it affected my life.
It was visceral, these Democrat policies.
Not that Republicans didn't have a hand in them across the nation, but it was certainly, I'm in a Democrat stronghold, and we had some of the longest response to COVID in the nation.
And so I couldn't turn away from it anymore.
Well, the circular reasoning or the tautological reasoning, some people say, you know, your parents indoctrinated you into it if you're politically aligned, and if you're not, then they'll say, okay, well, you voted the way you did because you're rebelling against your father's pro-Trump stance.
And it's interesting you say also, you know, Democrats are compassionate, and if you're compassionate, you vote Democrat.
And it's in the branding.
I mean, it is just in the branding.
It's the same thing in Canada.
You're liberal if you vote liberal, and you're tolerant if you do, and you do because you're tolerant.
Vote for Justin Trudeau.
And then at some point, In your conscious existence, you realize that perhaps it's the exact opposite or just perhaps there's ugliness on all aspects of politics.
2016, you vote Hillary.
You see what happens 2016 to 2020.
Your political awakening occurred as of COVID or did it start occurring a little bit before after you saw what the media and what the world did once Trump got elected?
No, I was totally on board with what the media and the world was doing when Trump was elected.
Again, I wasn't paying attention, but I bought it all.
And if he would ask me if he was a Russian agent, I probably would have said yes, based off of nothing.
No, it happened in summer 2020.
Summer 2020 changed my life.
When COVID happened, you know, 2019 was a hard year for my family for financial reasons.
I help out some family members financially sometimes, and 2019 was a specifically rough year.
And then basically at the start of 2020, I lost my jobs.
And that was hard for me because I need to work, which before 2020, I would have thought was just understood sort of universally, but it seems that it's not.
And so it caused me concern initially, but I want to...
Make it very clear.
I was on board with the response to COVID at first.
I think there's this idea that anyone who was an early dissenter against lockdowns, which I was relatively speaking, was immediately upset.
And God bless those people because I think they have a keener eye than I do.
And they were more aware of red flags than I was.
But I wasn't one of those people.
I wanted to do my quote unquote part.
I stayed home.
I wore a mask in the grocery store.
I didn't see my family.
I had a weird roommate situation and still stayed home.
And then summer 2020, when the unrest over Floyd's death happened, some of them being peaceful protests, some of them not, including in Los Angeles, that the response to the BLM unrest...
Compared to the response to COVID, I felt like a punch in the gut.
I thought it was crazy.
It blew my mind because I had already started to have questions about the response to COVID because at that point, you know, it was already two months in, at least two and a half months, and obviously we were told two weeks to slow the spread.
And there were some things going on, like the arrows on the grocery store floor and my park being caution taped off, like the exercise machines, you know, the body weight machines, which are already six feet apart.
We're out in the California, Los Angeles sun.
And I'm not a scientist, which people like to remind me I'm not a doctor, but it didn't make sense to me.
And also, I mentioned in that walkaway video, I would take these long walks around LA.
I didn't have a car.
We've already established I struggle, like a lot of people, with mental health sometimes, and I didn't have jobs.
So I would take these walks, and I never wore a mask outside.
I didn't see the point of it.
But if I saw anyone, anywhere coming near me at all, I would go across the street for that person or that group of people.
At least get off the sidewalk.
And people would stop and tell me what a terrible person I was.
They would yell at me.
And that blew my mind, you know, because it was so clear to me that something...
Bigger than what we were being told was going on.
And sometimes, you know, that would be...
I mean, I'm not asking for sympathy because I could have just put on a dang mask to go on a walk and solved all this.
But it would be my only human interaction for the day sometimes because I was following the rules.
I had given up my jobs.
No one was telling me when I would get them back.
I never got those jobs back.
And whenever I brought up...
The questions I had about COVID, I was told basically to sit down and shut up and that I was being selfish.
And so those things had started happening already.
And then Floyd's death happened.
And I saw doctors sign letters, not all of them, but I remember reading in the New York Times doctors signing a letter saying, don't shut down these protests.
They're a historical moment.
And I absolutely support your First Amendment right to peacefully protest.
However, I had a problem with the fact that the The Democrat, and a lot of Republicans too at the time, but the Democrat leaders in my city and in my state who were telling me I was going to die of COVID, all of the talking heads on corporate media who were telling me I was going to die of COVID, the doctors, you know, many of them were telling me I was going to die of COVID, but then they support these protests.
And I watched these protests on the news and...
You know, I had an idea that we had an idea even at the time that probably outdoors was safe, but it was large groups of people gathered together, oftentimes unmasked.
And again, you know, you want to peacefully protest, go ahead and do it.
But it was the hypocrisy of bolstering these protests, even as we condemn anti-lockdown protests and tell you that you're going to die.
And at one point, Los Angeles was in a...
Curfew, nightly curfew, due to peaceful protests on top of a lockdown.
And I just thought, this is not good.
I mean, this is absolute insanity for the entire community.
I'm bringing up the article.
New York Times, are protests dangerous?
This is from, where's the date?
July 6, 2020.
Are protests dangerous?
What experts say may depend on who's protesting what?
I think I had...
Turned a lot earlier than that.
The BLM protest became a source of contention between me and some friends who were like, just trust the experts.
And I stopped trusting the experts when they were padlocking outdoor dog runs in April 2020.
But again, at some point, you try to be polite and you try to be non-confrontational, non-opinionated because you think that's how you make enemies.
I think that changes once you realize that silence is violence and you'll make enemies by not saying anything.
And so you may as well say what you believe.
So that was the beginning.
Of your awakening, so to speak.
Yes, yes.
Are you familiar with Alex Jones?
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm just kidding.
Hashtag cancelled, Natalie.
Okay, so you start having this awakening.
The question I was having that I just forgot because I'm an idiot.
So what's your progression now?
So we're the summer of 2020.
You realize this...
It does not make any sense to say, can you protest?
Well, that depends who's protesting what.
Donald Trump political rally?
Super spreader.
BLM?
Racism is a public health crisis, therefore it's justified.
What did you start doing in response to or in protest of, or just as a pure personal evolution to this?
Well, first I want to say, and we kind of touched on it a little bit in that video that you played of mine, I do want to be clear that what bothered me really was not even that we disagreed necessarily, because at the time, I'm willing to give a little bit of a grace.
It was still very new, even though it was so clear to me that this is wrong.
But I know everyone was scared and whatnot, so I'm willing to extend a little bit of grace here.
But what bothered me was, like I said, whenever I brought up...
My concerns, whenever I saw other people bringing up concerns, because I wasn't the only one, I was told I was selfish and I was told I was racist.
So again, it goes back to that Thomas Sowell quote of, you cannot possibly disagree for any honest reason.
You can't possibly have a problem being locked in your home and having your jobs taken away other than the fact that you're selfish and a racist.
And that really bothered me.
And I gave the Democrats, I gave the people who I had supported all my life, like a chance to...
Address my concerns at all.
And they didn't.
And it wasn't just like a little blip on the radar of, oh, we lost our minds summer 2020.
Please forgive us.
Los Angeles had vaccine passports, which I saw coming from a mile away at that point.
I knew this wasn't going to be voluntary.
Apart from the jobs I lost due to the lockdowns, I had to lose jobs because I wasn't going to take the vaccine.
I wasn't allowed in bars and restaurants in my city, which...
God knows there are worse things than that, but it blows my mind.
As long as I'm alive, we'll never forget what happened.
I'm not going to become bitter about it, but...
In my lifetime in the United States, we went back to legalized segregation on the basis of something other than gender.
And I pray to God that no one ever forgets that because that is horrible.
It is how awful things in history start.
I think we should all know that by now.
And we had a mask mandate through March of 2022.
So I was proven correct in my walking away because it got worse and more insane.
So it wasn't just a little blip on the radar.
I, to get where I am now, you know, it wasn't overnight.
I did not decide, okay, well, I've been burned, so I'm a conservative Christian now.
Really, what it is, is...
In my view, in retrospect, the radical left is a cult, is at best cult-like.
And once I left, my eyes were opened for the first time to outside voices and outside opinions.
For the first time in my life, I realized, and I'm ashamed it took me so long, how important not just voting is, but informed voting.
Obviously, state and local elections, I think we all realized how important.
It blew my mind.
I was painfully aware of the fact that someone in Florida or Texas was living like a...
Vastly different life than I was through 2020, 2021, 2022, because they had a different governor, you know?
And that was just a painful realization.
So I wanted to be informed about politics, involved in politics for the first time in my life.
And I started questioning all these things that I had.
Assumed were true my whole life.
And gradually, organically, accidentally, I realized I agree with the conservative position on most issues.
To me, it is the common sense position, it's moral, it's ethical, more often than not.
And what I found really was that...
So often, like we were talking about, the compassionate branding, the people that the Democrats claim to want to help, they end up hurting them, the policies.
You know, I thought they were for the underdog.
I thought they were for the poor people my whole life.
But then in 2020, in 2021, 2022, it was basically like, screw you if you're poor, if you have financial concerns, if you have mental health concerns, which is what I thought the people on the left cared about.
So I'm aware of how often the Democrat policies sort of...
Screw over the very people they claimed want to help.
So this is something that I realized over the course of about a year, a year and a half.
And then I realized, well, I'm firmly entrenched on more the right now.
For a long time, I was politically homeless and kind of searching.
I still call it the left and the right, but I really do think it's blue pill and red pill.
Those who think the government is still a force of good and to be trusted, and those who understand it's not.
In Canada, to say trust the science, and yet somehow the science was provincially delineated.
And to say it's not politically motivated, this guy named Maxime Bernier, who is the leader of the People's Party of Canada, a small political party for which I ran in Montreal, he was arrested and recently convicted of violating COVID protocol in Manitoba because he held an outdoor political rally at which 200 people attended.
And in Ontario...
Three weeks later, Justin Trudeau is attending a vigil for the Muslim family that was run over by this lunatic in a car.
5,000 people are there.
One is criminalized.
The other one is lionized.
And then when you try to complain about the political motivation behind all of this, some idiot out there says, well, they had such things as COVID mandates.
I was like, yeah, when they vary from province to province, we no longer have science.
What we have is, at best, willy-nilly.
Politicking and at worst deliberate weaponization of everything medical and political.
So you have the realization and I presume at some point it's internalized and then it's no longer internalized.
Yes.
Yeah.
Summer or spring 2021, I started speaking out on YouTube and Rumble.
And I don't know.
My older videos are very different than my current videos.
I really was just genuinely like a very lost lamb, kind of.
And I was just like, well, I don't know.
I think I might vote for Trump.
And I think maybe we should take the caution tape off of the park around me.
I really was not.
I wasn't a Republican, a conservative.
I wasn't a Christian, which is what I am first and foremost now.
I was nothing.
I wanted to express the fact that someone might have an honest reason for disagreeing with you.
Didn't, I mean, I've been doing it for a while, but have just now gained, you know, a little bit of traction because of my walkaway video, which was unexpected and I'm grateful for on my best day.
So I've been speaking out for about two years and I, you know, eventually I stopped wearing masks even in the grocery store, which was hard in Los Angeles.
Got a lot of hate for that.
And those things kind of...
Further entrenched me in my positions of, no, I am going to speak out.
I am going to speak the truth because, like I said already, things just got crazier and crazier.
Obviously, COVID has thankfully taken a backseat, but I think it will come back again under a name other than COVID.
And I want it to never, ever, ever happen again anywhere, but certainly not where I live.
And yeah, so I've gotten...
I guess I've gotten stronger and more controversial in my voice online.
I'll ask this question before I forget because I always go back and watch people's first videos because if everyone goes back, it's a fun exercise.
They are typically...
Wildly embarrassing, wildly cringe.
Yours was not because your first video on YouTube is still pretty recent.
And so it's not like you had posted that not knowing what you were doing or where you might be going.
You have to go back to my acting reel for the cringe.
But what I loved in your video is you had what I think is everyone who is of good faith and good spirit and good intentions, original thought process is that...
You want to unify, you want to share your thoughts, and you don't want to make enemies, and you don't want to be hated.
And it's not that you want to be liked from a juvenile, superficial perspective, like like me, like me, like me, like a pick-me person.
It's that, you say, I want to share what I believe, and I don't want to make enemies doing it.
And then you quickly realize, or maybe you have or have not, and maybe I'm just projecting.
You can't.
There's no way of doing it.
You could be the most polite person on earth and say something that someone disagrees with, and you'll be a literal Nazi, even if you happen to be a little Jew boy from Westmount.
I mean, there's no way of getting around it.
And then at some point you say, okay, I'm just going to lose my...
I'm going to lose the attempt of being polite or trying to be polite, and I'll just be not edgy for the sake of edgy, just more direct, more funny, and lose what's holding me back.
I think you've gone through that in what I've seen.
But have you been shocked or were you expecting it?
I presume the love and the adulation you got from your political allies 2016 to 2020 and then the shunning and not extradition but excommunication that I suspect you probably got when you got vocal with what are otherwise purely reasonable logical statements that you've been making.
Yes, I like that word, excommunication, because it is like a non-theistic church.
Yes, absolutely.
I mean, especially because of this walkaway video.
Yes, it's been like 2020, 2021 on steroids.
It's reminded me exactly why I left.
It's this thing of, you're racist, you're a terrible person.
And I wasn't quite expecting it, but...
It is what it is.
It's the same thing.
Well, I could have put on a dang mask when I was walking outdoors, but it didn't seem true to me.
So I'm not going to do it.
And I could stop the hate by getting offline.
And sometimes I dream about that, moving to the middle of nowhere and not doing it.
And I think that is my ultimate goal.
But right now, while I'm here in Los Angeles, you know, I'm not able to move for a lot of reasons.
I'm going to keep...
Speaking the truth and the positive responses has always outweighed the negative even still.
And I think that's important.
It's important, but maybe I'm projecting again, but I think you're going to agree.
You can get one negative comment in a hundred and it won't hurt you because it's true.
It'll hurt you because you just wonder how stupid can people be out there?
How juvenile, how superficial, how ignorant can someone be to actually believe this?
Not because if someone calls me short, ugly, whatever, that doesn't irritate me.
What irritates me are people saying, for example, the video today that I put up, some comment says, Standing outside an all-girls school, how creepy is that?
How stupid can someone be out there if they actually believe?
That's the observation from this video.
Right.
I agree with you.
Do I also understand, imagine, that once you had the veil lifted from your eyes on one issue, you then looked at everything else with the same cynical stink eye and you realized...
That there had been multiple veils on multiple issues and now you're just peeling back the layers of this onion?
Yes.
Yes, and I'm sure there's still a lot of layers for me to peel back.
But yeah, I was one of those people to go back to an earlier point you made about blue pill versus red pill.
I really thought the government was there to take care of me.
I mean, I really thought that there were some kind of entities, people at the top, quote unquote, looking out for me.
And it sort of blew my mind that that wasn't the case.
And if I have to guess of why more people didn't, quote unquote, wake up, I would guess it's because it's far scarier to realize.
Okay, it's not a virus that I necessarily have to be afraid of.
It's the fact that these people at the top, these global elites, they don't have my best interests at heart, you know?
And there are powers that be that really want to divide us and, you know, do a lot of things.
So, yes, yeah.
Like I said, just in looking at other things, you know, I was not...
In 2020, and for a long time before that, I was deeply, deeply unhappy in life.
And not that being happy is necessarily the greatest aspiration, especially as a Christian now, but I had bought into the lies of my culture.
And a lot of those lies are pushed by progressivism.
I had bought into the lies of feminism and this idea that women can do everything a man can do or should do everything a man wants to do or whatever it is.
And I was...
Deeply, deeply discontent having bought into what I was told should make me happy.
And I look around and I see basically everyone in Los Angeles.
I mean, so many people are more unhappy now than ever before, you know, and women have more rights now than ever before than our mothers or certainly our grandmothers.
And I look around and I see a lot of deeply, deeply angry, unhappy people.
And I think that this is all...
Connected and it's why I speak the way that I do because I think there's a better way to live.
Even if you don't become a conservative Christian like me, there is a better way to live.
And we are being lied to every second of every day.
And I bought into the lies for a long time.
We're going to go.
I think we're going to get into subject by subject in a second.
But I just have to come back when you said, you know, you thought the government was there to take care of you.
In Canada, the government is literally there to take care of you.
But with a massive explosion of euthanasia, medical assistance and dying.
So as you come out against COVID, or as you become a vocal critic, what's the word I'm looking for?
An opponent.
A vocal critic.
I was going to say a criticizer.
You become a vocal critic.
A, how quickly do you lose friends?
And B, did you have any issues with family for what you were seeing?
Well, I did lose.
I was very isolated before this already, so I don't want to pretend like I lost my best friend from...
You know, the womb.
But I was deeply aware, as I'm sure a lot of people are, of people just suddenly not liking me.
People who had peripherally liked me, who were acquainted with me, who always thought I was a nice, sweet person.
And then suddenly I wasn't anymore.
You know, I was aware of each unfollow, which is so silly in the long, in the grand scheme of things.
But it hurts when you feel like, oh, am I doing something wrong here?
And I was aware of each unfriending and that kind of thing.
And like I said, when I first started speaking up, I remember making these really long, very polite Facebook posts about Gina Carano's firing from Disney.
Because I related to her.
I've never watched The Mandalorian.
She seems lovely, but I've never seen her in anything but a Daily Wire movie.
But when I saw her on Ben Shapiro's Sunday special, I was like, I relate to what this woman is saying.
And I was politically homeless at the time.
I do feel...
Like it has, you know, some...
Similarities to other times in history and she barely even said anything.
And I made this long Facebook post and I included the link to her on Ben Shapiro's Sunday special.
And I was like reamed for that.
And it was like the most polite thing in the world.
And then I made another really long, polite Facebook post about the dang caution tape on my part because I just really wanted to go work out.
And it was like late into 2021 at this point.
And I was just like, why is there still caution tape?
You know, it's the middle of a global health crisis.
Maybe we should go get healthy out in the sun.
And I was reamed for that too.
And then I started making posts about how I support the recall of Gavin Newsom.
And those were very polite too.
And I was reamed for that.
And so you're right.
It is this thing of like, I cannot, these people are already not going to like me.
And these are people who, they were old directors of mine.
I mean, people who didn't know me intimately.
So I guess.
They were able to say, oh, well, she's always been a racist secretly, or she woke up one day and became a racist.
I don't understand that thought process.
And maybe it's because I had my dad during the Trump years when I was really lost, but I don't understand the thought process of thinking, I've known this girl at least as an acquaintance to be nice and kind and sweet.
And now she's suddenly this terrible thing just overnight.
Was I hiding it the whole time?
Or did I just, it struck me one morning when I woke up?
You know, that is a very strange thought process to me.
And I've never felt that about anyone.
I could disagree with you so much.
And I still think your ideas are bad.
And not you yourself are bad.
And I certainly believe there's redemption for everyone.
So that really, really struck me of each little unfollow and each little thing.
And sometimes I would get nasty messages.
I still see messages online sometimes.
It's from anonymous accounts of we went to undergrad together and you've gone insane.
And it's been great watching you go insane.
And it's just like, first of all, show your face.
And second of all, I don't know, have a conversation with me.
And I know that social media doesn't really beget that of let's sit down and have tea and have a nice conversation.
It's trying to own each other and have quips.
But I'd be happy to talk to anyone.
And I didn't go crazy in 2020.
I had a real experience.
You guys care so much about lived experiences, but you don't care about mine because I'm the wrong color or whatever it is, the wrong ideology.
I had a real experience in 2020, and it may have been different from someone else's, but it was authentic.
And we were all harmed.
I mean, history has proven people who thought like me correct.
But even if not, I mean, just listen to someone else's experiences.
It blew my mind.
But yes, to answer your question about my family.
My immediate family, we haven't written each other off, but it was hard.
One of the hardest things, I think, about the response to COVID.
I always want to be really careful because people say about COVID.
No, it was the response to COVID.
It wasn't COVID, the virus.
It was the response to COVID.
I think it took fractures that were already there in families, in communities, in whatever, and it highlighted them times 10. I did experience that in my own family.
We were split pretty 50-50 about Ideology and also about the shot, or the jab, and that has been really hard.
And I think a lot of families have experienced that.
And I don't even know if we realize yet the damage that has been done by the lies that we were fed for three years.
Obviously, we're fed lies about everything.
And it's really caused a lot of rifts that I feel like didn't need to be there at all.
So much of this was completely unnecessary.
So that's been a struggle.
But at the end of the day, I love my family and I'm confident that they love me.
Well, as I say, it has been unnecessary, you know, depending on your perspective.
For the government...
Unless you're engineering it all, yeah.
That's right.
It's been entirely necessary and entirely productive.
What I love is that you mentioned it, you know, people who knew you go back and say, oh, you must have always been this way.
And it's this motivated retroactive analysis where what people liked you for beforehand, they now reinterpret in light of what they don't like you for today.
Oh, you were always a rebel.
You're just a provocateur or you're just, what's the word when you rebel for the sake of being rebellious?
You're just contrarian.
You used to stand up for, you know, you used to defend the little guy or the bullies and then all of a sudden, well, oh, you're only doing it for self-interest reasons to cover up your own whatever.
Exactly.
It's atrocious.
I've not had that many friends in life, but I was definitely social and had a lot of...
A lot of people now look at me with stink eye, if they still even look at me on a personal level, but then you meet a whole new world now because you're walking out of the matrix, almost psychologically, proverbially, into this.
And before I forget the question now, when did you go back to Christianity?
Or faith, I should say.
So it sounds like you had a window where you didn't have it.
Was the return to faith Call it the red pill pre-the revelation or post-revelation?
It was post-revelation.
I think it was something in just listening to these conservative voices, people like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager come to mind, who obviously speak often, particularly Dennis Prager, on God.
I was called at some point to open my Bible again at home.
And I would have gone back to a Catholic church, but they were all shut down, you know?
And the diocese, the Catholic diocese in Los Angeles was very much pushing the jab and pushing masks and all of this.
So that was disheartening.
But I just started reading my Bible at home.
And like I said, I had had this deep discontentedness and that had been highlighted in 2020.
And I was feeling very lost and feeling very humbled over the fact that I had been proven wrong about so much.
And it was very frightening to obviously in a lot of ways to realize, okay, there's evil forces out there and people who don't have my best interests at heart.
I'm still learning in my Christian faith.
I'm reading the Bible now for the first time, because when you're a Catholic school girl...
You don't, like, read the Bible cover to cover.
So I still have a lot to learn.
But as best I can tell, I think the Bible does lay out, you know, a better way to live.
And I think largely we've lost that.
And wherever you fall in faith or not faith, I think there's something to be said for, you know, objective truth, which we have very much lost in this culture.
And now it's your truth and my truth and however you feel.
And obviously that's just chaos because then whose truth is correct?
I guess the most oppressed.
Between us has the greatest handle on the truth, which is just chaotic.
It's meaningless.
And we have largely turned away from the fact that there is objective reality and some things are simply true and not true.
I love the fact that it's Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager who brought you back to the Bible.
Those are both very Jewish people.
I never actually knew Dennis Prager was...
I'm so naive.
I didn't know Dennis Prager was Jewish.
Until very recently when I was invited to PragerU events and then he's talking about the Bible.
And then I found out Shapiro is a little harder to...
A little more obvious.
And I love the fact that I'm not...
Maybe to a flop, not religious in the literal sense of religion, but anybody who reads the Bible and says, I do not find moral value in the stories being told here.
The Old Testament, the Christian Bible, if there's a Christian versus Jewish one, it is the original self-help book.
Some people say that as though it's an insult or undermines or demeans the Bible.
I think it actually empowers the reason for which that existed and why it was so wildly popular thousands of years ago.
Once you have the wool pulled back or the veil opened up on COVID, you then, I presume, see it on, we'll say LGBT rights, but rather LGBTQ2, AI +, the trans stuff, which you've been very vocal about.
First of all, your delivery.
When you give a video, you'll tell me how you go about preparing for it because it reads almost poetic, almost like a well-drafted essay, but delivered in...
A natural, oftentimes, single cut.
How do you prepare for any video that you're going to do?
How do you decide what video you're going to do and what research do you do to make sure that you get it right when you do it?
I would like to get back to making longer videos.
That's how I started.
And those were very time intensive and research heavy.
And it's easy to get sucked into the shorter videos.
But I have lately been really enjoying, I found that you can make 90 second reels on Instagram, and then Instagram will push them out to basically everyone and their mother, for better or worse.
But you have to keep them 90 seconds.
And so it's like this little challenge of presenting a point of view that I hold, but within 90 seconds.
90 seconds and arguing for it, you know, in an eloquent, persuasive way.
And I do rehearse it in my head.
I like write it out in my head, not on paper.
And then I do a couple of takes, you know, before I get it the way I want to get it.
And I enjoy doing that of like these 90 seconds because I think for better or worse, even though I think there's value in longer form videos and I'd like to get back to it, you know, our attention spans are short and someone can watch 90 seconds and agree.
Or disagree, but at least get through the 90 seconds.
And so I've been enjoying doing that.
Okay.
And let me see here.
Do you know who Hotep Jesus is by any chance?
I've heard him on Temple, but I don't know too much about him.
Interesting guy.
He's been on my channel.
I've been on his.
And he's an interesting guy.
And he has now...
He put out a challenge.
It's sort of to counter the Pride Month of the...
What do they call it?
Good Dad July or Strong Dad July.
I like that.
It's interesting, and I'll just say this.
I think every month should be strong dad, should be strong mom, should be strong parents.
And my only reluctance behind getting behind it, this is where I sort of don't disagree, but I can understand people don't agree with me on this.
I don't want to juxtapose being a good parent with Pride Month because I think gay men and lesbian women can be good parents just as well as straight men and straight parents.
And there's no but to that, actually.
Once you see the way certain things have been weaponized, politically exploited, What was your realization as to how, or if, and maybe I'm just projecting all of my own psyche onto you, what has been done with the LGBTQ movement?
Because I know you put out a bunch of videos saying, you know, this trans stuff doesn't make any sense.
Biologically, you have more in common with a black person than you do with a male, a black woman than you do with a male.
And yet, if you do that, if you pull a Dolezal, you're going to be, you know, a blackface wearing racist.
Whereas if you pull a...
Dylan Mulvaney, you're stunning and brave to quote Tom McDonald, who I know you also love.
So what was your realization on the LGBTQ movement?
Was it post-COVID as well?
It was post-COVID.
Yeah, and it's close to my heart because...
And I think maybe I have some controversial opinions on this.
But one of the first things I could vote on was not only Obama for president, but gay marriage.
And I was like, there's no question in my mind, I'm going to vote for gay marriage.
And to see where we've...
And I know it's a different question of, was it a slippery slope?
Did it start with gay marriage?
Whatever, we can maybe get into that.
But to see where we've gone in just like 10 years, less than 10 years, blows my mind a little bit.
And what you're talking about, that was one of my most popular videos, talking about how I can't be a...
Black person.
What blows my mind is the hypocrisy.
Yes, the genetic marker for transracialism is the same as the one for transgenderism.
And if we're going to take everyone's feelings and your truth as the truth, again, going back to objective truth, well, then I should be able to say that I'm Black and get a tan.
I mean, I should be able to because you can't tell me what my experience is.
And it obviously is.
I think there's an emphasis on men identifying as women right now.
And I think that is the emphasis because women view themselves as an oppressed class, and it really is a unique situation.
I personally don't think women in the West are currently oppressed, which...
You know, some people disagree with.
But it is the only situation, and J.K. Rowling says this, and I disagree with her on so much, but I listened to a very interesting podcast series on her, The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, and she brings up the fact, and I would disagree with her on almost everything, I think, if we sat down, but she brings up the fact that men becoming women now, it is the only time in history, really, where...
The oppressed is being asked to welcome with open arms without question their oppressor.
And I do not believe women are oppressed currently in the West and that men are the oppressors.
But if you do believe that, which is what the left claims to believe, that women are still fighting for rights and we don't have equal rights, I would argue women have more rights nowadays than men do.
But if that's what you believe and you say that you believe that, well then why are we being told to welcome with open arms?
Our oppressor, as J.K. Rowling says.
It's not coherent.
Teacher, I'll answer that one.
Because trans men are more oppressed than biological women.
It's always this thing of who...
It's like with Dave Chappelle in the trans community.
It's like, well, we love black men so much and we want to listen.
But not if he's against...
It's who is the most oppressed.
And it's chaos.
In every situation, it's like, who is the most oppressed?
So who should we listen to?
And that is not...
That is not truth.
And what has blown my mind in leaving the left is how little you can take one opinion on the left.
And match it to another of their opinions.
And they don't match up.
I mean, they contradict themselves almost constantly.
And I guess because they think there is no truth but power.
And, you know, it is obviously very hard.
And I think this goes beyond just women being offended by Dylan Mulvaney, obviously, who I think it's questionable whether he even really suffers from gender dysphoria, but I'm not a doctor.
But there are, you know, young girls.
Thinking that it's really young girls who are being the most affected by this, believing that they're boys.
And that the number across the West has exploded by like 4,000% in a matter of years.
And that is clearly not gender dysphoria, which, yes, has always existed.
That's what people want to remind me of.
That is clearly something else.
And I don't know if it's toxins in the environment combined with social contagion or just social contagion.
But, I mean...
The fact that you can't question it, it's reminiscent of COVID, again, and I'm sure it happened a lot before COVID, and I just didn't realize it, but the fact that you can't question it, and people's lives are being ruined, and I would venture to guess maybe even more ruined than I felt my life was being by COVID, because if you're talking about doing chemical and medical things to minors, and you can't question it, I mean, that's not okay with me.
It is, first of all, I was going to make a...
You know, they're making the frogs gay Alex Jones comment because of, you know, the chemicals in the air.
But one way or the other, I've said this for, I mean, I've said it for a while.
It's new to me, but it's been, you know, people have been saying this for a while.
It's the most misogynistic and also anti-gay movement out there.
Because I had on Chloe Cole, Tulip R. Ritchie.
And I had on Joe, who's on Twitter, Unlearned 16. She's a teacher in Canada.
And I think she's a genuinely well-intentioned individual.
Some will say, well, the explosion is because tolerance has now become so popular that those who were living in the shadows are now coming to light.
Others might look at this as a virgin suicides type social contagion, which is exactly how I view it, because the explosion cannot be made sense of in any other way other than a contagion, whatever is causing that, fine.
But it's an anti-gay movement and it's a misogynist movement in that it says biological women...
What was once #MeToo, shut up and sit down and look at the male genitalia in your locker room, you now get to compete with biological males.
And if you thought you were just gay, if you were a 16-year-old girl who, tomboyish lesbian, you might actually be a male.
Let's go mess you up for the rest of your life so that if you realize when you're 25 you were just a lesbian girl, well, now you have all sorts of other long-term life problems, including fertility, which some people might think is the underline goal-tell of this.
I can ask you this, as a woman, Natalie, why is this not the most fundamental misogynist movement that you've ever seen?
LGBTQ2IA + has been hijacked by misogyny.
Why am I right and how right am I?
I think that is correct.
And again, I do take the position that I don't think women are an oppressed class, but certainly misogyny exists.
And it is incoherent because, what, five years ago we were told, believe all women, which is also nonsense.
I mean, women aren't angels.
Don't believe them all.
That's a terrible idea.
But now we don't want to believe women when they, you know, have issues with this.
And, you know, and I said it in that video when I was talking about being Black, is being a woman.
Obviously, I know none of us know what it is nowadays, but it's more than a feeling, obviously.
It is a culmination of experiences.
It includes puberty.
It includes things that happened when you were a young girl.
And you cannot just make up for those later.
And I think a male or a female, a male can know what it is like to feel like something's off as a male.
And I'm sure that's horrible.
I suffered with a type of body dysphoria when I had an eating disorder because I looked in the mirror and saw something that wasn't there.
I saw something much bigger than what it was.
And I'm not saying that's the same, but I can imagine how hard it must be to feel gender dysphoria.
But that is not feeling like a woman.
That's feeling like a male, feeling like something's off.
And I would question that a cosmetic surgery would be the best treatment for something in your mind.
And at some point, adults may decide, yeah, I want to go through with this.
But it was my understanding that...
Just a few years ago, you had to go through some therapy for a couple years, and you had to live as the opposite sex without any kind of help, you know?
And I would wonder, okay, well, why are we no longer doing that?
Because we have, I mean, just in the free press recently, there was a whistleblower from, I mean, a gender clinic.
And she's totally on the left.
She's married to a trans man, I believe.
She's totally of this mindset and thought she was genuinely helping.
And it's the same story we've heard over and over again.
Abigail Schreier's book, The Trans Craze, Irreversible Damage.
It's the same story over and over again about these people are not questioned.
You can't question it.
You go and you get a referral for a therapist.
you go to one or two sessions and then you're back in for hormones.
And I think that, I think that the lawsuits will, I will see the lawsuits until the day that I die.
And that brings me no joy to say of children coming out against their parents, against doctors.
I think it'll go on forever if we don't like put a kibosh on it.
And I think Finland, Sweden, and parts of, someone else.
Yes, have recently said, we're not using puberty blockers, right?
Except in studies.
Finland, or is it Sweden?
One of them, I think Sweden, has been the most progressive on all of this.
And they have recently all come out and said, we're putting a little bit of a ceasefire here on puberty blockers, even just puberty blockers.
So the US and maybe Canada is just doing its own thing, and I think we're going to pay for it down the road.
Well, it goes back to, I think, I don't know if it's worse for the Democrats versus Republicans, but weaponizing the sense of victimhood for political profit and then abandoning them when you no longer need that and you go on to another group for political profit.
What subject matter have you put out that's gotten you the most flack so far?
You talk about abortion, you talk about transgenderism, you talk about racial issues, feminist issues.
Is there one that has remarkably gotten you the most pushback hate online?
All of the above, and I understand why.
It draws a special type of ire when I talk about race issues.
And I have made some videos about reparations, because it's been in the news lately, with California, and that people don't like that.
Well, I'll segue into it or I'll leave.
Gavin Newsom, I believe, is now going to shut down the idea or has shut down the idea of actual monetary reparations.
So what have you seen in California?
You've seen the same MO that you've seen with COVID, with transgenderism, weaponizing a victimhood, weaponizing a victimhood to exploit the victimhood.
Political weaponization for political profit.
Divide and conquer.
And then promise a bunch of things to a group for political support only at the end of the day to say, sorry, moving on.
Do you know what the latest is right now?
I think it's not controversial that Gavin Newsom has basically said, we're not going to go $6 trillion in debt to give reparations to...
Force people who are the sons and daughters of immigrants who had nothing to do with slavery to pay those who are maybe indirectly descendants or even direct descendants, if we could say that.
What is the latest?
It's a no-go as far as...
No, he said no.
I think he said you can't put a number, which I would ultimately agree with.
I know that's an easy out, and it's a more complex conversation than that, but I think he said you can't put a number on it.
And so what did you say that was so outrageously offensive that it got the ire?
And I'm going to ask you this.
Who did it get the ire of?
Because I'm suspecting if it got the ire of any group, it might be, and I might be wrong, it might be actually less...
Black groups and might be more white groups.
And I'm thinking maybe it's a lot of similar people saying, how dare you?
That's totally offensive.
You have to shut up and pay up.
Well, listen, you know, I'm not I talk about a lot of issues and I'm not like in the streets fighting against reparations.
I just think like so many things, it is like you just said, weaponization of victimhood.
I think it's a way to get votes.
I think the black black Americans have been.
Largely manipulated and abused by the Democrat Party.
I think the Democrat Party thinks they own Black Americans.
And again, I think they think that way about women too.
It's this idea of like, I'm told every day there's this meme of, you know, women voting Republican is like, they're punching themselves in the face.
And it's very offensive.
I don't claim to know.
Again, we already went through it with the trans video.
I don't claim to know what it is to be a Black American.
But it is this idea that, you know, white straight men can vote a certain way.
They're just evil.
But if a woman does it or a Black man does it, they are stupid.
You know, and it's what I just saw.
I made a video.
They're responding to Joy Behar on The View, you know, with that viral clip where she was talking about Clarence Thomas and Senator Tim Scott and how they don't really know what it's like to be Black, and that's why they're Republican.
And those two men in particular came from nothing, especially Clarence Thomas.
He grew up in the segregated South.
So it is, again, it's this from the side that cares about lived experiences, but not your lived experience unless you're sending this message.
And all I would say, I understand the argument for reparations.
I take issue with the government spending really any money.
And the fact of the matter is, is that You say it's the government's debt.
Well, the government's broke unless they get money from me under threat of going to prison, you know, for not paying taxes.
So I take issue with all of these, any government spending, essentially, and I think it will do little to nothing for race relations.
However, you know, I would just...
I just...
I don't think it's going to help.
And I think it's far more racist if we're going down that road, even though everything's racist nowadays.
I think it's far more racist to tell Black Americans, or really any group, that you cannot succeed in this country.
There's nothing you can do to succeed.
That the whole deck is stacked against you until basically the entire country changes.
Until everyone reads, you know, how to be an anti-racist, you're just stuck between a rock and a hard place.
And first of all...
We've seen that's not the case, but people want to claim, well, that's just the token.
That's that outlier who had to slough through.
Everything to get where he got to.
And I'm sure a lot of them did.
But I know white people, some have had to do that too.
So I personally think, but people don't want to hear it because of my skin color.
You're a white Christian woman.
How dare you?
I don't play that card.
But at the very least, someone can call me and say, well, I can criticize George Soros because I'm Jewish.
That's my out.
No, but what's amazing is you bring it up and you talk about the hypocrisy.
And everybody...
It's not hypocrisy.
It's hierarchy.
It just shows you who's in charge.
You can't talk about it because you're a white Christian woman.
Hotep Jesus can't talk about it because he's a race traitor.
Larry Elder can't talk about it because he's the black face of white supremacy.
And yet, if you dare call Ukraine or suggest that there might be Nazi infiltration in Ukraine, that might be a bit of a problem.
They say that can't be.
Zelensky's Jewish.
So on the one hand, they say, you know, the religion will protect you from all, except in the other case, if you do it and you're of the, you know, you have the wrong think and you're of the wrong religion, skin color, gender, whatever, you're a race traitor.
Yes.
And, well, I know you're, to that end, I know you're making a point about the hypocrisy and how you can't speak unless you have the right point of view, but I also fundamentally do not believe that You can't speak on abortion if you want.
I don't buy this nonsense because Black issues, women's issues, they all are issues.
There may be Americans speaking as someone in the United States who may be more directly impacted by certain things, and I understand that that maybe deserves some reverence, but there's no women's issues that men can't talk about.
To act like men aren't impacted by it is completely absurd.
So everyone can speak on everything.
I hope you're informed before you speak, but please speak.
I don't buy this that I can't talk because I'm white.
Now, as a, and I'll say this as a white Christian woman, I'm not, I think I perceive an overt attack on Christianity.
I think we've noticed it in Canada, and it's dangerous for me to say this because they say, like, as a Jewish person, you know, it's almost like you can't defend who has been your historical oppressors if we want to say, well, you know, you had the Spanish Inquisitions and you had the Holocaust and all this stuff, and therefore...
Those of the certain race or religion that had been the oppressors prior, well, you can't ever defend them now, or even if you're a mark on it, you're just trying to score points with the powers that be, whatever.
But I've noticed it in Canada.
I think it's...
I've noticed it over a little while, say a decade.
You can understand who can be mocked, who can be ridiculed, and who can't, and that becomes...
It's demonstrative of where there's a problem and where there's protections for some, but not for others.
In Canada, churches were being burnt down.
It was 2021.
Some might say there's a damn good reason why, and it had to do with the demonizing of people who wanted to gather in church during COVID, and the general population who's scared of COVID says, how dare these religious zealots do this?
Burn it down.
We don't know why, but there was a rash of church burnings.
In the States, there's a war on Christmas.
There's a war on nuclear families.
Am I imagining it?
Or do you perceive it as well?
And how do you, in what ways do you perceive it?
And in what ways do you think there's a way to push back against it?
No, I would agree with you.
I mean, it gets a little exhausting pointing out the hypocrisy of like, well, if this were a white person saying it or were this, you know, how would we react?
But even just at the Dodgers Pride Night, you know, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, I think they call themselves.
Would that happen with a group of drag performers making fun of Islam?
I mean, I don't think that we would allow that.
I don't think anyone would allow that.
It is an attack on...
On Christianity.
And I think it's because we view them as the majority because in many ways this is a Christian nation and so they are okay to attack because they have the power.
And again to the left there is no truth but power.
I don't know exactly how to combat it other than to keep speaking the truth.
I do take ire sometimes with the way Christians talk about things.
There is sort of this judgmental...
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with judgment.
I think we do it every day or we would die.
I think it's self-preservation.
But there is sort of a judgmentalness on the right in general and certainly on the Christian right that the left doesn't have.
The left seems to hold up the sin, to elevate the sin as something to aspire to, whereas the right is very judgmental in many ways.
I can understand why people would be drawn to the left to this idea of, well, I am a sinful person.
I have done wrong things and let me go to this place that's going to elevate me for that and praise me for the wrong that I've done.
So I take issue with it sometimes, but I think that Christians particularly and certainly everyone needs to continue to speak the truth with grace.
I think that's what Christ did.
You can speak the truth in a...
In a non-abrasive way, although sometimes I fail at that, certainly, because social media asks you to do it.
I've given up.
I'm not going to be provocative for the sake of being provocative, but I actually think I've started working my way into edgy humor.
And Natalie, I don't know the Bible, and I only know, you know, Jack Posobiec quote tweets the Bible a lot, and some of it's very good.
But I know it says judge not lest ye be judged and not judge not.
So it wasn't a question of not judging.
It was just a question of judging others as you would have them judge you.
And to the extent you judge fairly, judge away.
Now, is that in line with biblical rule?
I think ultimately, you know, Christians are called to not judge, but I'm also not a theologian.
You know, this idea of not casting, again, not casting the first stone unless you yourself have not sinned.
But I think also...
We're humans.
I mean, we do judge.
You judge just reflexively, walking by someone on the street.
So I don't...
And I think Christians specifically are called to judge, again, the sinner, the sin, not the sinner necessarily.
So, of course, we're making judgments about there is real good and evil in this world, I think, whether you're a Christian or not.
Again, that goes back to objective truth.
And can you determine that if you don't judge at all?
I don't think so.
And it's this idea, and John Pavlovitz, or whatever his name is, he comes up on my For You page all the time, and he's specifically, so many people like him, it's this, you want to take Jesus and just take out the parts of him that you like and, like, manipulate him to be this true.
Trans, gay, pinnacle, waving a pride flag.
Because people just want to focus on the love your neighbor part.
But he called us to do other things.
He called us to repent.
He hung out with the outcasts, not to affirm them, not to affirm them in their sin, but to save them, to call them to God.
But we just want to focus on that.
But he hung out with the adulterers, and he hung out with whoever else who was an outcast from society.
And you're missing a huge part of the gospel, which is not for you to be affirmed in your identity, in your secular identity, certainly not to be affirmed in your sins.
So focused actually on affirmation that in Canada they've passed the, I forget what bill it is, but the one that now prohibits conversion therapy, which basically prohibits conversion therapy converting a trans kid to a, I don't know, I think the word is cis kid, but I hate that word.
And they've actually literally You can't criminalize psychologists, psychiatrists, parents from trying to talk kids out of transism, but you can certainly talk them into it.
So the conversion has been banned one direction, but not another.
Natalie, do you have another 15 minutes if we bring it over to locals exclusively?
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm going to bring this up here because there's only two Rumble rants, but I don't want to lose them because they're nice.
One says, Kathy1010 says, God bless America.
That was from a long time ago.
And Boya says, I'm in love.
There was another one that said, tell Natalie that we love her, but I lost that comment.
I'll just take your word for it.
I think I'm in love is for you, though.
No, I don't think so.
Maybe.
It's for both of us.
First of all, where can people find you?
I'm on Twitter, YouTube, Rumble, and Instagram under some variation of Natalie Beisner or Natalie Jean Beisner.
I didn't make it easy.
I didn't think it through.
Recently banned off TikTok, which I take as a badge of honor, but on those four platforms, yeah.
TikTok, TikTok.
If we want to talk about proverbial cancers on society, TikTok, is it?
I know.
There's some questions that we have now.
Hold on.
And is there anything that you wanted me to ask you that I have failed to ask you?
In this discussion that we've had.
I think we covered everything.
No, yeah.
I don't think so.
I've enjoyed every moment of it.
I listen to your videos.
They're like wonderful essays in logic and tolerance.
What I love is that you're not like some basement dwelling provocative man like me.
When you say it, it's so non-objectionable.
In delivery, in format.
It's so thoughtful in delivery and format.
And yet I know what people are thinking.
They're looking at you like the absolute devil.
How dare you say these things?
You're going against the orthodoxy of the day.
Some people are definitely looking at me that way.
Yeah.
But still more positive than negative.
And you're right.
It doesn't matter how you say something.
They're going to take issue with it.
For sure.
But so long as you make sense.
And you make sense.
I haven't heard you say anything that doesn't make sense.
Even if I...
I disagree with it, although I'm trying to think of anything you said which I vehemently disagree with, and I don't think there's going to be much because I think this is common sense logic.
All right, everybody, we're going to end this on Rumble.
Go over to Locals exclusively.
I'm going to share the link there.
bevabarneslaw.locals.com.
I'm just going to go to the chat and see if there's anything coming up in the last section here, last couple of sections.
Oh, before I forget, you've watched Dexter, right?
Like Dexter, the original series?
I've only seen a couple episodes.
Because you remind me so much of Dexter's sister.
Oh, I know who you're talking about.
And she was also in White Chicks.
She's a very, very funny actress.
All right.
So that was my...
I've never gotten that before.
I got Monica Lewinsky once, but...
Well, I see that.
But then you have to say, Monica Lewinsky, 1993.
And then it sort of becomes like an insult, an indirect insult as to the age.
It was light, ghosty zero, says, love you, Natalie.
Vicky Lynn says, have fun on Locals.
And then some other comments which I'm not reading just because they're inappropriate.
Honor 234 says great interview.
It's not over yet.
Well, let me end it with this question before we go over to Locals.
Or I'll ask the question, then we'll go to Locals.
You are a young woman on the internet.
Do you notice misogyny-based critique or misogyny-based commentary?
Prevalent?
Not so prevalent?
The nature of the beast.
How do you deal with being a young woman on the interwebs?
Oh, and now hold on.
Hold on.
Now we're going to stop.
We're going to answer that on Locals, people.
If you're watching this on Rumble, move your way over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
I'm going to end it here.
Remember the question because I'm going to forget it, Natalie.
And we are ending on Rumble now.
Everybody, see you soon.
Peace out.
And now we should be on Locals.
Natalie, look, you're a young, attractive woman on the internet.
It's either going to be always the go-to Compliments, which are irritating after a while, or the go-to insults.
Is it as bad as I think?
And how do you deal with that to the extent that it clearly looks like you do read the comments on the interwebs?
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