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Nov. 2, 2022 - Viva & Barnes
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Sidebar with Justin Hart! Viva & Barnes LIVE!
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Some of you may not remember, but Hershel Walker was a heck of a football player.
I mean, some of you are too young to remember, but in college he was amazing.
One of the best running backs of all time.
But here's the question.
Does that make him the best person to represent you in the U.S. sense?
Does that make him equipped?
To weigh in on the critical decisions about our economy and our foreign policy and our future.
Let's do a thought experiment.
Let's do a thought experiment.
Let's say you're at the airport.
And you see Mr. Walker, and you say, hey, there's Herschel Walker, Heisman winner.
Let's have him fly the plane.
What a great thought experiment.
You probably wouldn't say that.
You'd want to know, does he know how to fly an airplane?
Because being a politician requires the same technical training as flying an airplane.
I watched that.
Oh my goodness.
First of all, I didn't know I was on video, so I hope I didn't do anything embarrassing or burp or anything.
I watched that.
It sounds a lot like, you know, using the old shut up and dribble.
Yeah, you're good at playing ball, Herschel Walker.
Leave the politicking to us intellectual types.
You could run real fast and you can knock people down, but leave the intellectual stuff to us.
You know, Obama, the man who can make it sound ever so eloquent when he inadvertently discloses that they've been testing, effectively testing on billions of people.
Human experiments.
But leave that type of inhumane conduct to Obama.
Because when he drone bombs a wedding in Afghanistan, it may not have been Afghanistan, he makes it look so nice and polite and intellectual.
He's such an orator that people would tolerate atrocities under Obama.
But the football player, he doesn't have the requisite intelligence to do what Obama does.
Shut up and play ball, Herschel.
You were once upon a time a good ball player.
Stick to what you know.
Leave the flying of the airplanes to politicians.
My good goshness.
Okay, it's going to be a good one tonight.
I love watching all the interviews that I can find online to get to know the guest before the guest comes on.
Justin Hart, and we're going to talk about the COVID madness.
I'm sure Obama's going to come up in here at least once or twice in terms of the subject matter.
I'm sure Justin Trudeau's going to come up.
The new book is going to come up.
Gone viral.
How COVID made the world go insane.
I'm paraphrasing the title of the book, but it's basically what we've all been thinking for the last two years, at least, for a great many.
You know, insane.
Hateful, insane, illogical, irrational, whatever.
We're going to get there.
We're going to bring this all over to Rumble as well, exclusively, so we can have a free unbridled discussion, although I will be posting this here.
But before we do that, people...
You may have noticed as you trickled in here that there was a little, it said paid promotion.
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So that is it.
And also, thank you to a sponsor who has the audacity, the courage, and the wherewithal, I dare say, to sponsor a channel for the hinged, fringed minority holding unacceptable views.
And we're going to get into some unacceptable views tonight.
Logic in the era of COVID.
Does it exist?
Who knows?
We'll find out.
I'll bring in Barnes first, just so I can bring in...
Justin, get ready.
Three, two, one.
See, it never comes in the right way.
I want to go like this.
And hold on, just to satisfy my neuroses.
There we go.
All right.
This is three bearded men.
Yes.
Justin, we're going to go over to Rumble in a bit.
Not out of fear, not out of anything, you know.
We go exclusive to Rumble, and we have a howdy time there.
But before we go there, for anybody who might not know who you are, 30,000-foot overview before we delve into your childhood.
Sure.
Yeah, look, I say at the outset, I'm not a healthcare expert, and I'm a darn good data guy.
I have basically a background in doing both business consulting, political consulting.
I spent about a decade in politics, ended up on the Romney campaign for a little bit.
I won the next four years.
Didn't quite work out for my future boss, maybe.
I hightailed it back to California, where I'm from, and did startup airlines, did marketing leisure stuff.
Beginning of the pandemic, I had some great leisure consultants.
My number one client.
Was a group that provided high-end vacations and golf excursions for baby boomers.
So you can imagine how that did fare during the pandemic, right?
That went completely away.
So I had some free time on my hands.
And I have a background as sort of a data analyst and a chief marketing officer.
So I said, what is going on with the Rona, right?
And I sort of got wrapped into this thing.
And when I looked at the data, I said, something is terribly off.
Terribly off.
So that's my background.
I'm a lay citizen.
And as I said, normally I wouldn't insert myself into someone else's domain.
But look, they had no problem inserting themselves into my domain, my kids' education, my health, my barber shop, my coffee shop, you name it.
They were there.
And so I said, I'm going to check their math.
And come to find out there are a bunch of people doing that.
And my colleague and myself, Aaron Jinn, we started rationalground.com, basically just a group of ragtag.
Experts, analysts, interested moms and dads.
And we started providing some really good analysis.
We became the backbone behind Scott Atlas when he was at the White House, providing him all his charts and data pro bono.
We wanted to see this thing go away.
And since that time, we've got just a ragtag bunch of people that have made different discoveries in their life and are basically thinking to themselves, I'm glad I stuck my neck out.
I chose...
The right side of the equation.
Now we've got this book, Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane from Red Green.
Well, if you were thinking about golf, I think Viva would probably skip.
He was trying to do the shot in one on the little putt-a-putt with the kid's teeth out.
Was it shot number nine?
Did you get it in?
Robert, my kid lost two teeth last week, and we did one with a mini putt, and then I tried one with a meteorite.
And the tooth just didn't want to come out.
No, I used to love golf, but it takes too long and can't do that with three kids.
We'll give you a handicap.
It's all good.
Well, why California?
Well, I actually grew up in the Bay Area.
My wife's from San Diego.
You know, her family goes back.
To the 1800s here.
Mine goes back three generations.
We've got mixed family.
We've got kind of a Brady Bunch.
I've got eight kids all over the place.
So it was kind of tough for them to pull up stakes and head off to Florida.
We tried.
We looked very closely at that.
But in the end, we thought, you know, we want to stick around here and fight.
So we're kind of still taking the fight here locally.
We've got a lot of good colleagues who are part of what we call Team Reality and our Rational Ground team.
We had a conference out here just three weeks ago.
We had Dr. Atlas, Jay Bachitaria, Jennifer Say.
Everyone was here.
Had 100 people show up.
And the number one thing we heard is they were so glad to find other people.
Who thought like they did, right?
They weren't alone anymore and they could speak freely about these things.
And that's been part of the equation too.
I know, Robert, you and I were on probably, what, a year and a half ago, maybe two years, where we talked about the lawsuit that I was filing and the different things that were happening because the government shut us down right around that.
Infamous July 15th date when Jen Psaki got over the pulpit with Vivek Murthy and talked about using Facebook and Twitter to censor them.
And we were one of the first lawsuits out of the gate to prompt them to cough up some documents.
And we've got a recent filing that we refiled there to see if we can get some things spurred up again.
And you've seen, obviously, the different filings from the attorneys generals there and Janine Yunus and our friends over there.
So lots of stokes in the fire.
Something's going to break.
The recent FOIA requests that we got back are very, very interesting.
And we can talk about that a little bit today, too.
Well, actually, Justin, we won't go into the childhood stuff.
So you're not a medical expert.
No.
If I may, what did you study in university?
Because I'll say this.
It's more important, I've found, to surround yourself with good minds who, between all of you, you can pool it together.
So you don't need to be the expert yourself.
But what was your university training?
Yeah, comparative literature, Russian and Polish.
I actually spent two years over in Poland on a mission for the LDS Church, the Mormon Church.
That was in the early 90s.
I came back, learned a bunch of Slavic languages, and went to BYU, studied comparative literature.
Then I always wanted, but I had a real hankering for all things internet, but that was 1996.
I hightailed it out to D.C. where I was trying to marry the internet.
I was really interested in politics at that time, but it would be another decade before that would really come about.
So I kind of cut my teeth during the first.com boom and bust.
I was part of teams that we built like Toyota.com and DuPont.com and Blue Cross Blue Shield, just the real sort of consulting class doing high-end website development at that time.
And then I moved myself over to politics and did a decade where I was...
Helping different groups.
My first client was Chuck DeVore, who's now with the Texas Policy Institute, and he was running against Barbara Boxer during the Tea Party days in 2008.
We made some really good internet hay there.
That was lots of fun.
And then after that, as I mentioned, I joined up with the Romney campaign.
We did a lot of black ops stuff.
I came right at the end of the campaign to see that disaster.
It was a disaster.
And then in 2012, we moved out to LA and San Diego, and that's where I am now.
My day job, actually, they've pulled me back into politics a little bit.
I do text fundraising, so I'm very sorry.
Your phones are probably blowing up right here in this last week, but that's all me, so there you go.
Yeah, can you maybe help Trump's people?
He sends some of the most annoying text fundraising of all.
I mean, I'm on all these lists because for a range of reasons.
I've contributed to both sides over the decades.
No people.
So I'm on every Democratic list and every Republican list.
So I get bombarded.
I've always was interested and curious.
But to be honest with you, a lot of the fundraising has gone to crap.
In other words, I get stuff like, Donald Trump thought you cared.
You don't care.
You don't love Donald Trump anymore.
It's like, what is this stuff?
If you don't give $25 right now, I'm going to tell my dad that you don't like him anymore, right?
Exactly, exactly.
Why are these people so mediocre?
Well, I think part of it is they want to get above the noise, right?
And it became, you know, 10 years ago, email was king for fundraising, and I was one of the kings for that.
We did a lot of incredible sort of forte around bringing in money for nonprofit groups and also for political campaigns.
But email, as you know, the experience now is kind of just an RSS feed.
It just kind of goes into the background.
So texting is the new frontier.
About a year ago, it was very tame and was very effective.
Now everyone's in there.
So it's a medium.
Very crowded very quickly.
But it's also very effective at getting in front of people.
About 90% of people open up their text messages.
I find it amazingly annoying.
I'm still sold on viral videos for the way to make good marketing.
Okay, so Justin, you work in politics.
Yeah.
And then you're working, you said CMO, chief marketing for...
Yeah, a large tech firm up in LA.
And then this goes...
It gets shut down when things get shut down.
Yeah.
Everything goes sideways.
I had left the chief marketing role, came back to San Diego, and my wife and I have three little kids who are five, three, and one now.
And then she has a couple of kids to live with us for a previous marriage.
My older kids are...
Grown and out of the house.
And so we kind of found ourselves, well, what do we do now?
Because I've got, I had the golf client.
I also had another client that was doing high-end consultancy for families looking to send their kids to college.
So you can imagine that was dead during the pandemic.
And then my third client was a high-end vacation club for families.
And that was dead.
So I had three clients that were in the leisure space.
And by the time April came around, they all said, we've got to shut her up.
So I said, I've got some time in my hands and let's get to work.
Let's figure out why my plow is sitting out there in the field and it's rusting and the government won't let me get to the field, right?
They said that we want you to stick inside and stay there, right?
And here in San Diego and California, more so than other places for sure.
Actually, before we even get into the COVID stuff, you've got three young kids.
Your clients dry up.
Financially, you got a lot of bills to pay.
I mean, is that a wicked amount of stress or was it financially not?
As burdensome as I might be thinking it was.
You know, it was a little bit stressful for sure.
I mean, I had my best year ever in the first two months, three months of 2020.
And then once they decided to shut things down, I was like, well, what do you do now?
Well, I quickly found that once you stick your neck out for something, people come to your aid.
And when I started producing some really unique charts and some data analysis and infographics that caught people's eyes and some viral videos and some behind the scenes black up stuff, people said, hey, can you do that for my company?
Can you do this for this thing I'm doing?
I think that's my key lesson learned is stick your neck out when you know it's the right thing and you'll be rewarded.
Were you surprised at everything that happened with the pandemic?
Group of data analysts who were quick to sort of step into the gap and raise questions and criticisms that should have been being asked by the press, should have been being asked by politicians, should have been being asked by think tanks and academics, and was not, was being completely suppressed.
I mean, some of the most ludicrous models ever promoted by Bill Gates, basically, through Imperial College and the University of Washington.
Things that you could just look at and I was like, This is nuts.
And yet when I looked around at the time, there were like five of us originally raising questions.
How shocked were you by everything?
Shocked by what was happening?
Shocked by the lack of response?
Shocked by how bad this data analysis was?
Yeah, it was extremely shocking.
I think it felt a little bit enlivening.
I like being a contrarian sometimes.
As you said, one of the first articles I published in early March of 2020 was the corona dashboards will kill us all before the virus ever will.
All the data was wrong and it was pointing and creating this massive havoc.
And I actually was feeling like, hey, we're taking charge.
We're getting ahead.
Until that fateful day, March 29th, 2020, that Rose Garden presser, I honestly went into that thinking, there is no way that President Trump will continue this facade, continue to the charade.
I think he's going to lift everything, and we're just going to try to get back to normal.
When he when he did, when they extended it, I immediately tweeted out he lost the election.
And I'm a I'm a huge Trump booster.
I predicted he was going to win in 20 in 2016, much to my family and other friends chagrin.
I loved his policy.
I loved his rambunctious self.
But when I saw that he had extended the lockdown, I just knew demographically, even if two or three percent of that elderly population stayed home or felt miffed by this whole thing, he would lose the election.
Now, there are plenty of shenanigans.
Don't get me wrong.
And in fact, you know, we were.
When President Trump got to the pulpit that one time and was holding up that big chart on Wisconsin, right?
That was my chart.
So he printed it out and said, hey, look at this.
There's votes coming in at 4 a.m.
We thought that was weird too, right?
I don't think there's enough evidence right now completely overturned and say that was complete fraud and everything else there.
But I still think there was plenty of shenanigans.
But in the end, I knew that this was going to upturn him.
I just knew it.
I knew up until 2020.
I said, my friends are like, you're just negative nanny.
I can't believe this.
You're usually a glass half-full guy, Justin.
What's your take on this?
I said, I think he's going to lose.
I didn't think they were going to let him win.
Maybe that's the best way to put it.
Let me do one thing.
It has nothing to do with subject matter.
I'm just going to end this on YouTube and everyone move on over to Rumble so we can...
Rumble on.
Oh, yeah, that's why we can't even say the C word.
Oh, no, I don't care about that.
I'm done with that.
And thus far, I think they've actually loosened the rules.
And I'm going to publish this to YouTube afterwards, but I want to go exclusive to Rumble in three, two, one.
It changes nothing among us, but everyone on there now should go over to Rumble.
Okay, but this is why I'm fascinated by this, because Barnes led me to, you know, my eyes wide open.
We're in March.
Everyone's in panic.
I'm in panic.
I remember my daughter came home with a book that her friend gave her and I said, you leave that book outside for two days.
That's what they're saying.
When Trump comes out and shuts everything down where people who, maybe they knew better and maybe they were just right for the wrong reasons.
What was it?
What did you do, like, concretely look at from which authorities that you said at the time they're shutting everything down, this doesn't make sense?
Well, I remember it was March, and we were looking at the first numbers to come in, which were really the cruise ship there, I think in Italy or wherever it was.
And when those numbers came in, it was like a laboratory experiment, right?
Here's this floating lab with people from different ages, a lot of elderly, how many people got sick, how many people died.
And it became a good test case to understand what was happening.
We saw the first numbers out of China and then out of Italy, and we said, okay, this looks like it's...
Primarily affecting us by age degrees.
So let's look at that concretely.
But I remember I got a lot of pushback, even on the conservative side of things.
I've been part of a very discreet, very big, though, listserv on the conservative blogger side since 2005, I think.
And it's kind of the who's who of these people that are out and sharing emails.
It was really hot maybe five or six or ten years ago, but people were still posting to it.
But when I posted there that I thought this was nonsense, I got so much pushback.
They almost kicked me off the list.
And so I was really surprised by that.
I kept going.
It kind of inspired me to say, I think I'm right.
But I would wake up at like 4 a.m. in the morning sometime in March and say...
What if I'm wrong?
What if this is the apocalypse they say it is?
And then the key moment for me was waking up one morning and finding this great article by John Ioannidis out of Stanford, the most cited living scientist.
And he basically said this was a once-in-a-century data fiasco and that we are making decisions on really, really bad data.
And he went through the same thing we did, which is look at the first data points and showing that they were not what they said they were.
Then Dr. Fauci gets up in front of Congress and he claims that one out of 100 people will die of the disease.
We said, well, that's off by a factor or 20 factors.
What is he talking about?
And you realize very quickly that they had no care for actual concrete data or evidence.
They were simply going to utilize fear as their main tactic to keep us under thumb.
Oh, exactly.
Oh, Aviva, you're on mute.
Sorry.
Actually, it's Robert's turn for the question.
But I remember the cruise ship.
What was the data?
Robert, we talked about it at the time.
It was, I think, off the coast of Japan.
But basically what it showed was a pretty low risk to anybody that's not elderly.
Even in a contained environment where you had air circulation limitations, that you could see from that what the real risk was.
And the risk was way less than what the Imperial College was predicting, which had a long, notorious history.
If anyone had looked at it, of exaggerating risk by 10x, 100x, 1000x, you know, what do they call calf foot and all that jazz.
I mean, long history just making stuff up.
It was all Bill Gates inspired.
I remember being shocked by it.
Went down, did the little show with Alex Jones for a couple of months because I was like, this is insanity.
And I agree with you.
I thought Trump even retweeted me right before that.
Because I put out, you know, if Trump doesn't do any of this nonsense, then I'll build a statue to my front yard and get Trump's attention.
And so Trump's like, hey, Robert, don't worry.
It's all good.
And then that same week, we now know massive internal pressure was brought.
That said, you're going to be responsible for the death of millions and millions of old people.
You're going to go down as the worst president ever.
If you do what we tell you, you're going to save millions of lives and go down as the greatest president ever.
And he took the bait.
He'd surrounded himself with people that were not in his interest.
People forget, not only was Trump on the wrong side of this, his instincts were on the right side, his personnel were on the wrong side, and he went with his personnel like he did too often.
Steve Bannon was on the way wrong side of this at the get-go.
Raheem Kassam was on the way wrong side of this at the get-go.
Mike Pence.
Scott Adams was on the way wrong side of this at the get-go.
So I like all of those guys.
Fans of all of those guys.
Promote all of them.
But, you know, I haven't forgot that I was getting crap from a lot of them at the time.
Not from Scott Adams and Steve Bannon, but I was from Raheem Kassam.
He blocked me on Twitter for a while because he was...
Bannon was screaming at Trump to lock down harder.
I mean, a lot of people in the political establishment, what it showed was, do you make independent choices based on your own independent assessment of information, or do you defer to authority?
Because if you defer to authority, even people like Bannon, down deep, defer to authority.
That's why he didn't understand Robert Mueller was a massive threat to him, and so on and so forth.
But if you're willing to challenge, and Trump has actually always been in between.
Sometimes he defers to authority, sometimes he doesn't.
But he hasn't been willing to, or wasn't in his first term.
And there was only a few of us at the beginning that were willing to challenge and contest this and got lots and lots of crap for it.
But the data was there and the history was there.
I mean, that was the other thing.
It was like, okay, coronaviruses are not new.
This is probably a gain of function when they were all lying about that, remember?
The first guy to tell me that, hey, by the way, this came from a lab, was a certain man in Austin, Texas.
Oh, yeah, Barnes, Barnes, Barnes.
It came from a lab.
We already know it.
No doubt about it.
And I was thinking, ah, that can't be right.
It can't really.
Yeah, it came from a lab.
We all know.
The U.S. Senate now says, by the way, it came from a lab.
But you look at all this, it seemed to me that the key was, and this leading up to the question, what is it do you think in your personal background that led you to be willing to question authority?
In ways so few other people were willing to do.
You know, it may have been sort of a moment in time.
I wasn't an executive with a company.
If I was, I'd probably have to button up a little bit more, right?
I didn't have any clients, so I said I was going to lay it all out there.
All my bets are on black.
Let's see what happens here.
And I think also it was just a great pinnacle for me where I knew I had actually spent about two weeks in the hospital the year before, and I had...
I'd gotten a staph infection, that natural flora that everyone has on their skin.
But if it gets into your bloodstream, then it can wreak havoc.
And it sort of became like a lay hobby of mine, trying to understand all the data behind how did this tiny thing nearly topple me?
I had a one in three chance of dying.
I went into septic shock, had no idea what was going on.
And, you know, trying to understand some of those components.
But then also, I just knew in my mind, in the back of me, my parents brought me up and said, you know, Bet on those constitutional founding documents.
You can't go wrong, right?
When they started shutting down the schools, when they started shutting down my kids' access to their swing sets, when they told us to all stay inside, I said, this is not right.
It seemed kind of fun at first, right?
It's like, hey, we're all part of this great new experiment.
But when it started going on and you realize that first frustrated look that your child gives to you when they're on their Zoom call and they go, I don't...
I don't know what's going on, right?
And you realize they're going to lose.
They're going to lose big time because, look, we're adults.
We're going to deal with it.
I think a lot of us are going to deal with it next week at the ballot box.
They don't get that luxury, our kids, right?
I remember I told this in the book about how our preschool teacher came up to us and just said, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Your kid is not going to be ready for kindergarten.
Try teaching these kids how to pronounce the letter H through a mask, right?
I mean, huge devastations there.
There's one stat I point out in the book, and this cuts across political boundaries, and people understand it.
It's undeniable.
We believe from two different studies that we probably missed about 200,000 cases of domestic abuse across the country.
Why?
Because it's typically sharp-eyed teachers and administrators at school who are catching these things, right?
Junior's got a bruise on his arm.
Mom's got a black eye.
Dad comes in.
He looks really shaken up and disheveled, right?
They call these things out.
Now, they all don't turn out to be domestic abuse cases, but they call them out.
And kids weren't in classes.
No one took the flip side of the coin under consideration.
The other stat I always point out, we believe in the spring of 2020, we missed about 50% of cancers because the first people to come to us were oncologists and they'd say, Justin, either COVID has cured cancer or something else has happened altogether.
And that something else is that people were too scared to go to the hospital.
So they were diagnosing half as many cancers as they would the previous year.
In cases of colon cancer, 78% drop.
Now, where do those show up?
Those show up later in the year.
And I always say to people, I say, you probably know someone who got sick with COVID.
You probably got COVID yourself.
You may know one, maybe two people that went to the hospital.
You may actually know someone who died of COVID, but I guarantee you almost everyone knows someone that died within the last two and a half years completely, unexpectedly, and perhaps from a very, very sudden cancer or otherwise.
And I think part of that is due to the lockdowns, and we have evidence to provide that.
So the book is really built as kind of a myth buster.
We go through all the different things they got wrong.
Because it's like...
Butterflies and hurricane moments too in these things where they would make a decision and then it would just ripple into these terrible, terrible implementations.
So the big one, of course, is what we call asymptomatic transmission.
And that was the assumption that even if you weren't showing any symptoms, you could be infected and you could be infecting other people.
And from that one assumption...
The mask mandates, the plexiglass, the six-foot social distancing, the exposure quarantines, right?
Everything stemmed from that.
We now know from multiple studies that probably accounted for maybe 1% of actual infections.
The rest just happened through exposure.
I remember this one time, one of the famous pressers that Governor Cuomo gave, right?
And he's looking at the numbers.
He says, well, 66% of new cases are coming from...
From people at home?
He looks at his numbers.
Is that right?
And he's like, why is that happening?
Well, yeah, because you stick people inside with other people who are sick.
They're going to get sick too.
And so that was the real troubling thing over this whole thing was just terrible assumptions leading, you know, a butterfly flaps its wings here and a hurricane puts on a mask somewhere else, right?
It's just awfulness.
I want to bring one thing up just so everybody can see this.
This is the Imperial College funding vaccine.
And if you look here, funding the Vaccine Research Network benefits, generous contributions from...
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, among other things.
Oh, that makes me feel better.
The defense agency is involved.
Whether or not people were paying attention to these things, I know that I wasn't.
And when everyone said Bill Gates is evil, George Soros is subverting the judicial process, I know what I thought five years ago, and I know what I understand now.
But on that line, Justin, Barnes, at least in my immediate milieu, was like the first one to say, They're going to lock people down.
They're going to send kids home or keep them home.
What's going to happen?
The very vulnerable population, grandparents, are going to have to babysit so that parents can go work.
And all that you're doing is forcing what they said were the vectors at the time, children, to stay home and be babysat by the people who were, in fact, known to be the most vulnerable at the time, grandparents.
But where was my question in that?
Oh, no, locking up outdoor stuff.
When did you first see stats or break down the stats on outdoor transmission?
Well, actually, it was very early on.
In early April, there was this really interesting presser at the White House, one of the COVID task force, and they brought in a guy from the DOD, a very specialized department of the DOD Homeland Security, and they basically said, we got a hold of some particles of COVID, and they did some unique testing on it.
They said as soon as it came out in the open, boom, it was dead.
As soon as they exposed it to air, boom, it was dead.
And you can see Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci in the background as this guy is giving the presentation.
They're like a little puzzled, right?
Because in their mind, everything was spittle.
That's all I thought.
They said, everyone's spitting on each other, and that's how this transmission is happening.
They never considered that it would have been an aerosolized disease until a year or more later, where they finally made it, okay, it's aerosolized.
So that small particulate matter that you can't hardly see, it's not going to be stopped by a mask or plexiglass or anything else.
It's just going to go where it's going to go.
You can't stop it.
But the idea was, right, here was the main thing.
We knew there were two.
Major comorbidities.
We have all these new Scrabble words that we can use, right?
Comorbidities, asymptomatic, nosocomial, you know that one there.
But so you have these key comorbidities of obesity and lack of vitamin D. Those were the two things that kept showing up for people that were having bad bouts when they got COVID.
So whose idea was it to stick us inside, away from the sun, eating takeout?
I don't know about you, but I put on my COVID-19.
I think everyone else did, too.
And now you have to kind of work that off, right?
That 19 pounds.
I think, in general, we found, on average, about 30% of the population put on about 30 pounds.
15% put on, I think, 19 pounds or less.
It was a crazy bout.
And kids' obesity went through the roof.
And that's a terrible, terrible sign.
And no one thought about these flip sides of the equation.
And it was little things, too.
I'll tell you, some of them are amusing.
Like, I went and interviewed a bunch of people from different industries.
So I talked to people who were part of the paper industry, right?
Remember all the runs on TP and everything else like that?
Well, it's not, the runs on TP weren't just like panic runs.
It was, people do, if I can use the phrase, they do half of their business at businesses, right?
And those type of delivery systems with the big reams, they're not, you know, your soft, cushy bear stuff.
They're coming in on pallets into the stadiums, into the locker rooms, into these universities, and they're mounted on big walls on these shared bathrooms.
That's very different than the production system of you going to the store and getting the Charmin, right?
And so all of a sudden, because they shut down all the businesses, the paper industry had to, like, scramble and say, okay, we've got to start shifting towards domestic.
And that's why we ran out of it.
And it's funny now, I kid you not, if you Google right now, Charmin Forever, you'll see the great Charmin marketing team at work, where they basically will take one of those old reams that you're familiar with, like maybe at a ballpark or something like that, and they'll sell it to you.
It'll last you a month.
They'll actually send you the metal stand.
Put right next to the toilet.
And they've got to get rid of it because they got so much extra from the two years that we weren't in business.
And they call it Charmin forever.
So that was just one industry.
And I had hundreds of examples of just things being toppled left and right because we didn't think about the flip side of the coin here.
No one evaluated that.
I'm going to bring this up.
This was the outdoor transmission.
This is 2021, a year later.
Outdoor transmission accounting for 0.1% of a certain state's Charmin.
What is it called?
Charlene?
Charmin.
Charmin.
C-H-A-R-M-I-N.
Forever.
Forever.
There you go.
That'll kill me if that falls over.
Yeah, right?
But they had to get rid of it somehow, so the marketing team came up with something really unique there.
I might need to get that.
We've been going through a lot of...
It doesn't look very comfortable, though.
What was extraordinary all the way through in all of this was you had a complete lack of understanding of the disease.
Even the data and information was all there.
The history was all there.
We've been dealing with pandemics since human beings have existed in collective form.
We've never resorted to any of these responses.
There have been plenty of studies that showed public health interventions mostly didn't even work during the Spanish flu that they tried.
Some of these lockdowns at a much more limited scale in cities like St. Louis and other places.
There have been tons of studies on whether masks work.
And before, it was uniform.
As Fauci himself admitted initially on 60 Minutes, like, ah, this isn't going to protect you for anything.
And then 30 days later, everybody's being forced to wear it.
Medical Sharia law.
We knew that the disease travels indoors through bad air circulation systems, doesn't travel through airlines because of the airline itself.
The airplane itself has such high-end filtration systems that filtered out COVID.
There was no big breakout from airlines, yet that's where we put Focus Airplane.
So we knew outdoors was better, sunlight was better, open air was better, and yet that was where we told people you can't go.
We knew indoors was dangerous and risky.
I mean, like take New York City.
They limited the number of subways you could ride.
That put more people into the subways.
It increased the spread.
Didn't decrease the spread, it increased.
I mean, they did everything possible to increase the spread.
And, I mean, people like Will Chamberlain got this wrong.
A bunch of these people that were on the wrong side couldn't look at just basic data and analysis about everything.
Asymptomatic spread was ludicrous.
It's never happened in any prior influenza-type disease.
Didn't happen here, like some of us predicted at the time.
But the other thing was the political agenda behind a lot of this.
So you use politicians grabbing power.
They get to play king.
They get to play dictator.
They get to seize power that had historically been constitutionally protected, as you noted.
And massive shift of wealth.
Because when you lock people into their homes, as opposed to letting them go outside, as an example, all of a sudden, Amazon's going to benefit.
Uber's going to benefit.
Facebook's going to benefit.
Google's going to benefit.
And big tech skyrocketed during this time period.
You're talking about guys like Bezos doubled their wealth.
I mean, right now, Zuckerberg's losing it.
But how much do you either address in the book or have you addressed in general?
There were some big, powerful actors that had a lot of monetary reasons to favor these insane, not science-based policies.
Yeah, I mean, you know, the usual line, the narrative, or the basic narrative was, well, we have these viruses that hit us every year.
This was a novel virus.
No one was immune to it, so we had to shut things down, and that's kind of what happened.
But in truth, what happened was they saw this opportunity.
And global elites had ramped up really a significant effort to kind of reshape the world and address what they saw as a host of inequalities and imagined boogeyman like climate change.
And they were bolstered by these hosts of corrupt institutions, which included the WHO, big pharmaceutical companies, these world wealth and health players like Bill Gates.
And so the emergence of the new virus really gave them an opportunity to pounce at this vulnerable moment.
I don't...
Go as far as to say they caused it, but they saw it there, and that's where they, you know, come up with the Great Reset, and they're saying this quiet part out loud.
So governments across the world are under this threat of serious mortality, and no politician's going to sort of stick his neck out unless he's really convinced that he can, you know, quell this thing or he can bear it when the fight comes, right?
Free speech, right to assembly, right to bodily autonomy, you know, all these representative government elements fell within the first.
A few months of COVID.
And so it became this real playground for these folks to jump in and make advantage of it.
Even Dr. Fauci admits in an article he writes in 2020 that he laments that we can't go back to olden days, right, where we didn't have all these gathering places and sports events.
And he says, can we at least try to bend modernity to our will, right?
They really do picture themselves in this narcissistic role where they can change the course of a virus.
And of course, they can't.
you might as well just put forth your arm to stop the Mississippi river.
You just can't do it.
And they thought they could treat everyone equally and stop it wherever they I mean, it's crazy the sort of impacts this had.
I interviewed some people that were part of engineering teams in Las Vegas.
And get this, this is in the footnotes, but it's kind of a fun story.
They literally, you know, these things are designed for a certain amount of people coming each day and flushing the toilets.
So during the spring of 2020, they literally walked the halls of hundreds of rooms, thousands of rooms going in, tending to the loo, flushing the toilet, putting on the shower and everything else there, because otherwise it'll back up and they'll get Legionnaire's disease and worse stuff, right?
And so, like...
You know, like Jack Nicholson's in The Shining.
They're just going room to room and going crazy trying to keep things intact.
But then you have the flip side of the coin that's really bad when you talk about the kids and the devastation they felt.
But, you know, in Los Angeles School District, a third of all students never showed up for a single Zoom class.
I mean, you can calculate the amount of lost wages, the years of life lost on those kids because they won't graduate school or because they'll have less income going forward.
It's just devastating losses.
And we felt it, too, as a family.
I mean, it was crazy.
We had a 14-year-old and a 17-year-old.
And so their school years were just gone.
It was just crazy.
And we had them in a private classical Christian school.
And we had my 14-year-old.
She goes to lunch.
The lunch lady comes in.
Again, a classical Christian school built on the pillars of logic and recent rhetoric.
And she comes and she says, you guys, you need to sit perpendicular to the table because we don't want you facing your fellow students across.
Like, COVID only goes in one direction.
And it drove us batty.
And, you know, even though the schools were open in the fall of 2021, it was a closure by edict.
By quarantine, because every single one of our kids went through a 10-day bout where they got exposed and had to stay home.
It was devastating to them, and they still reap the ramifications.
If anyone within a listening shot of an ear is a speech pathologist by trade, you have job security for the rest of your life, because they'll be in so much demand right now.
At my daughter's school, they were allowed to take their masks down to eat.
And then put it back up to chew.
It's psychotic levels of madness.
Okay, so I like the butterfly effect or the butterfly flap in its wings leading to an avalanche where you say asymptomatic transmission led to face masks, isolation, all these other policies.
Oh, tabarnouche.
How did I just forget the question I was going to ask?
The asymptomatic face masks.
Okay, I guess what is the...
Oh, vitamin D. That was it.
I'm sorry.
There was knowledge on vitamin D deficiency in Northern Hemisphere countries for a long time.
Was there not, Justin?
Yeah, there was.
And it's funny, you know, having kids now, I mentioned I have eight kids and my oldest is like 26. My youngest is one year old.
So I have quite the range.
I've had a child born in every decade since the 90s.
And I remember my first kids were born.
The premise was, okay, when your kids go outside, you need to lather them up with sunblock.
And that was for my kids that were born in 94 and 97. When I had my only boy, I've got seven daughters and one boy.
One boy was born in 2003.
And I said, so, Doc, I need to lather this kid up in sunblock.
No, no, no.
Turns out the kids need vitamin D. We're going to have to give them drops, in fact.
I'm like, what?
Because, yeah, apparently over the last decade we've been telling people to do...
So you realize very quickly that there's kind of like cutting the end of the roast off.
It's just tradition.
And these doctors really, really are struggling to keep up with all the new stuff.
They love the rigor.
And I think that's why even if you go to your doctor today and you talk to them about a mask, they don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Or the questions you have of vaccines.
They have no idea.
They really don't.
And it's like any other profession.
Sometimes they're just dumb.
Were you surprised that, like, I thought, I mean, even Event 201 with Bill Gates said you can't do the vaccine because vaccines, if they're going to be anywhere near competent and safe and effective, they need years and years of testing.
And then, of course, they sucker Trump into, hey, man, you're going to be a star.
Everybody's going to love you because you're going to do it real super fast.
And only you can do it super fast, Trump.
He's like, woohoo!
And he buys that nonsense and he runs with it and he still...
Politically, he still suffers from the vestige and legacy of him embracing that vaccine and putting Johnson& Johnson on his stage and things like that.
But I was still surprised to a degree that they pushed it as hard as they did.
There's never been a successful coronavirus vaccine in history.
It's because the virus mutates too quickly for the vaccine to be effective.
Same problem with the flu shot.
That's why once every two years the flu shot's utterly useless.
Sometimes it's partially useful and otherwise useless many times.
It's because the virus is escaping.
The virus's survival depends on it becoming more transmissible, less lethal, and mutating.
And so vaccines are mostly useless.
mRNA has never been used in any drug before in history.
Why?
Because if you gave it to people too often, it would kill them and cause other problems.
And now we're going to have a vaccine that has booster shots?
You have to take mRNA for the rest of your natural-born life?
I mean, all of this, to me, was just insanity to a different degree.
And yet we saw most of the world rush to embrace it.
Anybody who doubted it was, you know, an anti-vaxxer and hates vaccines and wants little children and grandma both to die and all this nonsense.
Were you surprised at how the vaccine was pushed in the same way that all the other lunatic proposals were pushed?
And how do you think...
I know more and more people who are now questioning...
All the vaccines on the list.
They're like, you know, if they push this, who knows what else is on there?
Maybe we don't need 64 vaccines for my three-year-old.
Well, what are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, I think I was surprised that they pushed it so fervently because we had seen the data.
And again, they had cut a lot of corners.
And in fact, when we saw the trial data, we realized quickly that there was a very unique, what they call clinical endpoint, right?
They weren't saying, well, let's look at how many people were hospitalized or how many people died.
Their clinical endpoint was this very vague severe disease.
And it was left up to the site manager, basically, when they did the evaluations for the doctors to say, oh, that's COVID severe disease.
Oh, that's a vaccine severe disease.
And so the data was really muddy.
But then there was one study that came out, I think, of New Zealand or maybe it was South Africa, and they made the assessment that it was 95% effective.
And that's what everyone latched onto.
And when Dr. Fauci, Dr. Walensky and others said it's 100% effective against hospitalization of death.
We were like, okay, I don't know what you're talking about.
And Dr. Fauci goes on to say it's really good against variants.
And it's tough.
We were talking with some of our friends who were contrarians to across the way in London and in South Africa.
And they were pushing back on us.
And they were saying, why aren't you guys at Rational Ground?
Why aren't you clubbing some more on this vaccine thing?
And we told them, look, it's kind of a...
Kind of a third rail of health politics here, right?
Once you touch it, it's tough to come back alive, right?
And it's actually the one regret I had that we didn't come out soon enough to really call it out.
But we were early in March or April of last year.
We just said, okay, these numbers are not turning out like they think they are, right?
And we said we're seeing some things that are really disconcerting.
And some of our folks went on to actually get peer-reviewed and published for helping with the data.
A couple people went to Governor DeSantis and helping his team out.
And when it became very clear that these were not the sterilizing vaccines that they promised, we said something is really amiss.
And now all the bad stuff is coming out.
I've said before, and you might disagree with us from a legal perspective, but...
We have a pretty litigious society that will find a way.
I've said before, Scott Adams blocked me after I said this.
We had great discussions and he said, no, you're gone.
In three years, I guarantee we're going to have the largest class action lawsuit the world has ever seen.
It'll make mesothelioma and asbestos look like child's play.
They'll find a way.
And even just on the case of a woman's menstrual cycle being thrown off two days, which is affirmed by every institution there is in the world now.
And then you look at the issues with...
Young Ben and myocarditis.
Just today, Sweden announced it's no longer going to actually give the vaccine to anyone under 30 unless they have extenuating circumstances because they see the heart issues that come with the system there.
Justin, I mean, I'm sure it's in the book, but just in case it's not.
But it is.
Does the book cover how they, not flip-flop, but literally did 180s?
Fauci saying no mask and then a little while later saying mask mandatory.
Them saying in the beginning, it won't affect a woman's menstrual cycle.
You're all crazy.
Then afterwards saying, of course, we always said it was going to, potentially.
We didn't know.
Does the book document the 180s and the gaslighting of them telling you now that they never said what they actually said before?
Yeah, it covers a lot of those details.
We have a lot of information, of course, from the FOIA documents from my lawsuit and otherwise, where we get, you know, Dr. Fauci's musings on who's going to play him in the movie.
And you get all these really ridiculous things from Dr. Walensky.
We have Dr. Redfield out there, who was the head of the CDC at the time.
And he said that if everyone wore masks for two weeks, this would all be over.
I think it's greater than the vaccines.
It was a bunch of nonsense.
And I remember, you know, we would have daily sort of rendezvous and chats and texts with Dr. Atlas when he was at the White House trying to help him through this morass.
And I put to him, I said, I don't understand.
Why are things not changing?
You have completely demolished all of their their interventions.
Why are they not pulling these back?
I said, maybe it's just because they're they're trying to save face.
And he said, no, Justin, these people are dumb.
I said, oh, no.
I don't even think dumb people would be this wrong this often.
Someone who thinks it's deliberate malice, deliberate control, deliberate destruction of the pillars of society, family, religion, culture, history, community, convince me that I'm wrong for thinking that.
No, I think that...
It would be the other side of the spectrum, which is not unfounded, which is to say that there was some deliberate manipulation to see that they could close down on ranks.
We know the World Economic Forum, for example, just the other week was applauding all of our acquiescence here in the States and beyond that we played the good little soldiers because they want you living with three other families, sharing a bite together, eating insects.
Going about your marrying way, not getting accolades and being happy about it.
They say that perfectly out loud now.
And of course, the biggest issue, I side with Mark Stein from his book in 1996, which showed that the biggest issue we face is birth rates, that we're having a plummeting amount of people.
We're running out of people, and it's becoming evident.
And this pandemic certainly didn't help in that regard there.
You see in San Francisco, for example, 10% of the population fell.
Yeah, and that's a problem everywhere.
Can you describe for people what, and we have discussed it before, but it's been a little while, what led to your lawsuit and what the status of the lawsuit is?
Yeah, so the lawsuit was based on two incidents.
I had published a very benign, actually, but robustly backed infographic, which was masking kids is inefficient and not supported by any real-world data.
You know, a real bombshell of a headline there.
But we went through and showed that kids don't spread the disease very quickly.
They act as a brake upon the disease.
Masks are not meant for kids.
There are no N95s that are situated for kids.
We went on and on.
And I just simply posted the graphic.
Before I knew this was around July 13th, my post was taken down.
My Facebook account was suspended.
I posted a few other things on Twitter.
Quickly, my Twitter account was taken down.
So I was approached by the Liberty Justice Center, and we went through and filed a lawsuit against the HHS, against the White House, against Twitter and Facebook.
We had a good thing going.
I was in a court down here in San Diego.
It got moved up to the Northern California court.
The tech power is convinced to do that.
I got assigned to Justice Breyer up there, the brother of former SCOTUS brothers.
And he said, no, no, you got to have some evidence.
So he dropped the FOIAs against Twitter and Facebook.
Well, we got some...
Good details back just recently from Facebook.
I'm sorry, from the HHS and from Vivek Murthy.
Because you recall, it was last year, July 15th.
Jen Psaki, then press secretary, gets up over the White House pulpit.
The surgeon general is there with her.
And they're talking about explicitly how they're working in tandem with big tech to call out.
Balls and strikes and fouls that they see and censoring Americans over it.
And we were dumbfounded.
We said, they can't be admitting this, can they?
And sure enough, we have now evidence of them creating, for example, bolos, be on the lookout meetings every week with Facebook.
And CDC directors would send them posts, specific posts, where they would say, these are the type of posts that we want taken down.
Those individual posts got taken down very quickly, and then like-minded posts that they saw were egregious, got webbed in there as well.
The response, we just filed an addendum so we can get back into the court case there, where Facebook gave $15 million of free advertising to the HHS and to CDC, and the CDC made some requirements on them, and sure enough, they went back and forth.
And so basically, you know, Facebook and Twitter, they're private companies.
I don't have a ton of recourse there.
One would hope they might adhere to the basic tenets of Western society that gave them birth.
But more importantly, the First Amendment protections are the government stopping them from censoring me.
And they were basically using a proxy, going to Facebook and saying, we want these posts and type of posts taken down.
Of course, this week you may have seen the news that it turns out there's actually a portal which a lot of these big tech companies would use.
The DOJ could go into, HHS, and other sort of entities and call out balls, strikes, and fouls and say, we want this taken down.
And so it was an amazing moment we're going to see in the next few weeks.
Their attorneys general there, of course, in, I think, Louisiana and Missouri, they came out and made some big headway.
The big eye-opening thing was that Dr. Fauci, Jen Psaki, Vivek.
We should all be able to testify or we will be able to depose them for their words on exactly what transpired there.
So stay tuned.
That should be very interesting over the next few months.
Well, Justin, I mean, that does sound interesting, but that sounds a lot like a few other lawsuits that got dismissed at an early stage.
Did this get passed, a motion to dismiss?
Well, so we got a motion to dismiss that they took.
And so Facebook and Twitter were off the hook for the moment.
But they left open the...
The part where he said, if you can find FOIA information that does indicate a type of conspiracy or a type of collusion, then you can bring this right back, which is what we did.
And of course, we have a lot of documents that have been produced by Janine Yunus, who's a good friend, and our colleagues, Jay Bachitaria, and a few other people that are taking the government to court as well.
So we'll see where this comes out.
But I feel pretty good at the very least.
A lot of exposure, a lot of transparency.
And I have it on good authority that if there is a changing of the guard next week into January, that we are going to have hearings next year.
There's no reason not to.
Our kids, you know, I think there's some recompense due to them.
And we need to have this exposure so we can find out who made these decisions and why.
Ah, but the Atlantic told us we just got to give them all amnesty.
Yeah, they took away our jobs.
They denied us the opportunity to talk to our loved ones on their deathbed.
They denied us the opportunity to have graduations or weddings.
They stole jobs and businesses from millions of people around the world.
They disabled and killed people through their vaccine.
But we're just supposed to forgive them.
Just give them straight amnesty.
And there were a couple people on our locals' board.
They're like, oh, forgiveness is a good thing.
Yeah, I'm from Tennessee.
I think that's for the afterlife.
That's where forgiveness comes in.
During the real life, it's never forget, never forgive, hold the line.
But do you think we'll finally get some accountability?
Because, you know, from this, I mean, there's some questions about the Republican leadership, whether McConnell and McCarthy are up to it.
They went along with a lot of this lockdown nonsense, didn't stand up at the right time.
Will we finally get, I mean, I guess Rand Paul would be, maybe.
Despite McConnell won't be able to block him from being a head of the health panel, I think that could be a lot of fun because he would get to drag Fauci in, drag Birx in, drag all these other people in because they caused some of the worst.
I mean, this was the public health disaster of our lifetimes, arguably in all of American history.
Yeah, it was a terrible decision.
I was on the Dennis Prager show the other day, and of course, he took a lot of heat up front saying this was the worst decision in American history.
And that was in, you know.
March of 2020.
I think he was spot on, and we're going to see those ramifications.
The author of the piece you're talking about in The Atlantic was Emily Oster of Brown University.
And this was a unique case.
It's kind of a tiny universe of what transpired with these academics.
Emily was not an innocent bystander.
She actually had a very, very distinct data that she was tracking from August 2020 on, where she identified schools that were masked, schools that were social distancing, schools in Florida that weren't.
And then tracking cases among students and staff.
And we saw this data early on, and we said, oh my gosh, look, more kids are getting the COVID at schools that are masked than ones that are unmasked, right?
And she came out with a paper that was not peer-reviewed but in preprint and said, that's the case.
But when the pressure came, she folded, she archived the data, and she basically stayed silent.
She called a couple times for schools to open safely, right?
But she was really big on...
Trying to force people towards vaccinations.
So here was someone in academic literature who was highly influential, folded very quickly at the first bit of pressure.
And like a lot of these folks, they're now coming to our side and asking forgiveness, which is basically publicly of them saying, I am forgiven, right?
And we welcome them to Team Reality.
I welcome all people to that.
But they should never, ever have an influence on public policy again.
And I think that's the comeuppance, which is...
You're welcome to come to our side and realize the truth, but you basically must be stripped.
You should no longer have influence on this public policy.
I'm more of the opinion that you can give amnesty to the players who are guilty of their own weaknesses, but not to the architects.
Are you going to give amnesty to Justin Trudeau?
After he serves time in jail, yeah, I'll think about amnesty then.
I was going to ask either of you, Justin, Robert, the latest leaks actually that came out showing that, was it the Department of Justice saying that they're going to have to get comfortable with government?
Who are those exchanges between and what's the context there?
I'm not sure that one.
What are you referring to there?
Yeah, it's about the Intercept story.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, the Intercept story is along these same lines that basically The tech powers that be decided that they were going to give up the ghost and just like kind of the government run roughshod.
They thought that was the easiest way to get through this.
So they created a portal where the DOJ, the HHS, the CDC, the White House, the search general could all go in and flag different posts or different accounts that they thought were untoward and not towing the narrative.
And then the tech groups would flag those accounts, take them down, suspend them.
I posted to Elon the other day, a hundred accounts of friends, colleagues, and people on Team Reality These are things that were, you know, very censorious.
And there were things that, you know, at the time, you say, wow, that's out there.
Like, for example, there was a post on women's menstrual cycles coming about.
And the government in the FOIA documents we had said, this is the type of post we want taken down.
Turns out it was true.
And that the vaccine was throwing off the menstrual cycle, according to a report out of Turkey, as much as 10% of the women who were in menstrual cycle status could actually see their cycle blown off one or two days.
And that has serious ramifications.
So I know a couple.
I know a couple who has a new baby.
They're really, really proud to have this baby boy, but they were not expecting it.
She had to get vaxxed for work.
They were doing the timing method and that didn't work out too well for them.
They were planning to have a kid a year or two from now, but there they go.
A brand new baby boy.
They're proud of it, but my goodness, it changed his life.
And you want to talk about changing life.
You see, you know, serious heart conditions that are happening because what happens if you have the disease that, you know, you have these antibodies in your system already.
Once you plug the vaccine in there, it creates what's called immune complexes.
And these spike proteins, the antibodies, they don't quite know where to go.
So they just go throughout the body, which is why we know now that.
There are traces of the vaccine that are coming through women's breast milk to infants.
We have no idea what's going on there.
VAERS and the V-Safe system have four infant deaths directly after a mother took the vaccine and started breastfeeding the child.
I can't attribute correlation directly to those things.
But it's very clear that they're trying to basically just wash this thing over, and they continue to push these vaccines.
But I think the public has wisened up.
This latest around the bifurcant vaccine that does the two for a shot, its uptake is like 7% or something.
It's very, very low.
And so I think people and people's pediatricians, their families have all gotten very wise that they're not going to be taking this sort of piece again.
Is the book reasons enough to get into the stats of adverse effects from the vaccine, or was that data not really ready for the book at the time?
No, we touch on it for sure in certain places.
Most of the book is concentrated on sort of the...
The main interventions, the lockdowns, the masks, and everything else there that go with it.
But we have some incredible stories in the appendix that we put there.
We've tried to capture a lot of these stories for posterity's sake, so you can talk about the impacts these had.
I got a text message that's included in the book.
A friend of mine in Orange County, just north of me, it says, My dad just passed away.
My mom and dad have now died within four months of each other.
One died from an undiagnosed blood disease, one from a cancer that went undiagnosed.
They were both too scared to go to the hospital, right?
Those sort of lockdown interventions had real repercussions that we're just feeling right now.
And you talk about impact.
You can see the numbers.
Here in California, for example, we like to...
Clock what we call excess deaths, right?
How many people die on a regular basis around the country in a specific state?
And when you look at the excess deaths in California and you look at the number of COVID deaths, they don't add up.
So people have been dying of something other than COVID for a very long time now over the last two years.
And it's been very difficult to clock exactly what that is.
A lot of it because they won't release the data and the data behind the data.
To sort of wrap up, where can people find you, find the book, find Rational Ground, and follow you either on social media or elsewhere?
Sure.
The book, you can go to goneviralbook.com.
Goneviralbook.com will take you right to Amazon.
It's available.
It just came out a week and a half ago or so.
Basically, we kind of view it as a tool, as a bludgeon that you can use.
Give it to your neighbor, that one you know who's kind of double-masked in their car.
Alone, still, right?
You know, that one.
I think it's built for people, you know, of your audience who have known deep in their bones that something was amiss over the last two years.
But it's also meant for those people that are just starting their journey back from that darkness now.
And then you can find me on Twitter.
That's my main domain, Justin underscore heart or rationalground.com.
I've been blasting around the Amazon affiliate link of your book the entire day.
So we'll see.
I was going to ask another.
OK, the last question, I guess.
What are you doing now?
The book comes out.
What are you directing your energies at?
And what do you have on the horizon for the next six months to 12 months?
Well, we just had this big conference, this Rational Ground Conference.
I've got a super PAC that is basically gathering steam to try to do some action and basically try to find those people that are still out there trying to make our life miserable.
Here in California, we were able to help defeat a bunch of bills that were trying to make our kids' lives miserable and mandate the masks and mandate the vaxes.
It's been a real fight uphill, and we're still fighting that fight, so that's part of that action.
Next year, we're planning to have another conference on the East Coast, and this will be the trial of Dr. Fauci.
We hope to shake up that regular sort of speaker audience format.
I think we're going to have a mock trial.
There'll be COVID on trial and Dr. Fauci in the docket, and we'll see how it goes.
Maybe we'll get both of you out there to play the lawyer's roles on either side of this thing.
I'd like to play the judge.
Or the jury, I should say.
Justin, thank you.
I'll put all the links in the pinned comment on both Rumble and YouTube.
Thank you very much.
Great to see you guys.
Stick around.
We'll say our proper goodbyes.
I'm going to end the stream.
And everybody out there, if you want to purify the air, you know what to do.
EK Pure.
That'll at least quell some flu season concerns.
All right.
Stick around.
We'll say our proper goodbyes.
Everyone in the chat, thank you.
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