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Aug. 31, 2022 - Viva & Barnes

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Sidebar with Jackson Hinkle - Viva & Barnes LIVE!

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	Damn it.
	I blew it.
	I straight up blew the intro.
	Let me see if I can't find out what the heck the problem is.
	Late.
	I'm late.
	This is what I get for trying to be...
	Let me just straighten out the camera.
	This is what I get for trying to be good.
	I did want to start with a vomit-inducing clip of Justin Trudeau.
	I wanted to start with a clip that I shared on locals.
	Earlier today, me swimming underwater at the beach, and I saw, I think it was a relatively big snook.
	I don't know how big snook yet.
	Let me see how big snook gets.
	It was a big snook.
	I don't think it was a world record.
	Snook, world record.
	It's going to be like 53 pounds.
	Oh my God, that's big.
	It was a big snook.
	Not what you expect to see when you're just, you know, diddle-daddling.
	Around at the beach, especially when there's a lot of people there.
	Let me see if I can't find a way to bring up the damn share screen, share screen, window.
	Let me just see here.
	Okay, this looks fine.
	Hold on, we'll do like this.
	I'm going to figure out, people, because it doesn't always have to start with something bad.
	Okay, I see it here.
	There we go.
	I hear it.
	Okay, let's do this.
	Share, share, and maximize.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	Look at that.
	Just off the beach.
	That's big.
	That's a big-ass snook.
	And...
	I'm proud to say something as to how my married brain works.
	I was unaware of my surroundings when I was chasing this snook underwater.
	Look at that.
	People, tell me that's not beautiful.
	Just swimming among the people.
	How do I get out of here?
	Escape and close.
	How beautiful is that?
	Can't see?
	Doesn't work?
	It was beautiful.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'll figure it out later.
	I'll share the link on Twitter.
	Tonight, we've got a good sidebar.
	I haven't heard from anybody, so I do hope...
	Do it again.
	Do it again.
	We'll do it live, people.
	Can I just share it from my desktop?
	Hold on.
	Share.
	Video file.
	Oh, look at this.
	I can do it like this.
	This is it.
	Okay.
	Hey!
	Look at this!
	I just figured out something new today.
	Okay.
	Beautiful.
	Look at that.
	Big-ass fish.
	That's a snook.
	That's a snook.
	That's a new snook.
	That's a snook.
	Here we go.
	There's a huge snook down there.
	I mean, some people say I look a little crazy.
	I got the GoPro.
	I got my kids snorkeling goggles.
	And then, you know what?
	Oh, Barnes is in the house.
	We're gonna...
	People, tomorrow's stream, there will be rants and there will be wraiths.
	That's a big, beautiful ocean.
	I don't know that Robert had anticipated this was going to be what we're watching.
	How do I, how do I boot?
	How's a giant snook?
	How's a huge snook?
	Yo!
	A snook!
	I think it was a snook.
	It was, it was a snook.
	Okay.
	How do I stop sharing?
	Add to stream.
	Remove from studio.
	Boom!
	There we go.
	I'm going to bring Robert in.
	I don't see Jackson yet, and maybe there's something that I don't know about.
	Robert?
	No, he just said it'll be a few minutes late.
	Okay, awesome.
	Robert, have you seen what's coming out of Canada?
	Let me put this on here.
	I assume that doesn't relate to the snook.
	No, no, no.
	It doesn't relate to the snook.
	Let me bring this up, because it's...
	There's a level of sick, sad irony in all of this.
	This is...
	Oh, maybe we'll have to talk about some other stuff.
	Justin Trudeau.
	This is literally what he just tweeted.
	Update, the new national hotline for mental health crisis and suicide prevention will launch next year.
	As of November 30th, 2023, you will be able to call or text 988 to be directed to mental health crisis or suicide prevention.
	Free of charge at any time of day.
	Setting aside why this is not already either fully available or why it was apparently put on hiatus two years ago, he's launching a suicide prevention hotline to deal with mental unwellness.
	At the same time, it's actually a little bit after the sunset clause on the exclusion of the mentally ill from medically assisted suicide expires.
	And like, it's a sick irony that I can't...
	Possibly begin to understand.
	And the jokes are out there that there's a lot of jokes that people can...
	I say not jokes.
	Insightful cutting observations and conclusions that people can come to.
	Robert, how's everything going with you?
	Good, good.
	I think that it was interesting watching some of the Trump news yesterday.
	The ability of people to get the law wrong is always striking.
	Now, it's not a surprise the left does so.
	The left does so deliberately and malevolently and maliciously.
	But even some allies on the right, and it's mostly because they don't know that much about the federal criminal justice system.
	And so the ones that have the right intentions better have the wrong interpretation.
	So the Justice Department put out a brief in which they referenced that they had subpoenaed the...
	Well, the impression was left that they had subpoenaed Trump, that Trump had only turned over certain information, said it was everything, and then they found more.
	So the suggestion was perjury and obstruction, etc.
	If you know how these subpoenas work, you knew that was unlikely.
	I got a look at the actual subpoena, and it's not what the media was representing.
	So the subpoena was issued to the office of Donald John Trump, to a specific entity.
	There's reasons why they did that.
	And the responder was the custodian of records for that entity.
	And so the custodian said, this is the records that I as custodian for this entity have in my possession at this time that are relevant to your subpoena.
	Then when they do a search of Donald Trump's personal residence, they find other documents.
	There is no necessary contradiction whatsoever between those two events.
	In fact, you would typically find...
	More documents in searching an individual's personal residence than you would a corporate subpoena to a corporate entity for custodial records at that time.
	The reason the Justice Department was playing that game using the D.C. grand jury, it's absurd that we have a grand jury on this in the first place, but putting that aside, is because if they had subpoenaed Trump personally, then Trump or an entity that would be so affiliated with him as to be the equal to a personal subpoena...
	Then he can assert personal objections, including First Amendment selective prosecution, especially Fifth Amendment right not to be a witness against yourself, and the presidential privilege.
	They chose to avoid all of that by subpoenaing a limited entity for those documents.
	And even though the subpoena said, give us everything Trump has, you can't do that by subpoenaing somebody else.
	Be like them subpoenaing you and saying, give us everything Barnes has.
	You don't have custody of everything Barnes has.
	So they're doing it to get around the objections that Trump would have as an individual.
	That comes with a catch.
	The catch is you don't get everything because the custodian is only a custodian of records for that particular entity that he has in his physical possession at that particular time that the subpoena was served.
	And my guess is the idea that the lawyer lied and that they hid that, that's just preposterous, quite frankly.
	They were playing games with a subpoena.
	Trump responded in kind.
	And what this all is further confirmation of is under the guise of this being an archive search, this is simply Trump took deep state docs with him that are embarrassing to the deep state.
	They've been obsessed with getting him back.
	They try to get him back to the archives.
	Then they try to get him back to the subpoena.
	Then they try to get him to the search.
	And my guess is, by their reaction, they didn't find him any of the three times.
	They got other docs, but they're not the deep state docs they're looking for.
	They got his passport.
	Two other components that keep getting misinterpreted somehow.
	This has been established law.
	I had these trolls all the way back to the Alex Jones trial, the people that love the plaintiffs in that case, or hate Alex Jones, is really what they're about.
	They're saying, oh, you don't understand, Barnes.
	The Presidential Records Act determines what's presidential records, not the president.
	Apparently unaware that this has already been litigated, already been adjudicated, already been resolved, and by one of their favorite Democratic-Liberal federal judges.
	So a president gets to unilaterally declare.
	What is a presidential record or a personal record?
	If it's a personal record, it's not governmental record, period.
	End of story.
	The Justice Department lied today in their opposition brief to the special master's appointment, claiming that those records were presidential records by law, and no, they're not.
	They're personal.
	They're whatever Trump says they are.
	End of story.
	And then secondly, the people still regurgitating the classified stuff, as even the pro-Democrat lawyers are admitting.
	Everything that was subpoenaed, everything that was searched was for things labeled classified, not actually classified documents, which means the search warrant never should have been granted, the subpoena never should have been issued, so on and so forth.
	This is another reminder that Trump's lawyers have been given bad advice.
	This is what happens when you cooperate.
	When you assume the government's operating from good intentions, they use it against you over and over again.
	This is why it's bad.
	You could have told them to shove off from day one.
	It's what Clinton did.
	It's what Obama did.
	It's what Trump should have done.
	And then he wouldn't even have to deal with any of this nonsense.
	But one last point is people are saying, oh, an indictment is imminent of Trump.
	Aside from the fact they're not going to indict him right in the middle of the midterms, it violates internal DOJ policies, a bunch of reasons.
	I don't think they ever plan on indicting him on this because they don't want to tell the world what they're really looking for anyhow, and they don't have legal grounds to do so.
	Doesn't mean it's impossible that a D.C. grand jury goes off and does something rogue.
	It's D.C. It's a rogue legal system to begin with, so that's always possible, but it's not probable because they don't have a criminal case.
	But the best evidence of that...
	If the Justice Department thought they had Trump dead to rights on obstruction of justice, they never put this in the brief.
	They entrap other people connected to the case in interviews without them knowing what they have and snare them.
	Instead, they just gave a clean roadmap to Trump to know exactly where they were even trying to go.
	This, by the way, is information they redacted in the search warrant affidavit.
	Because it was so necessary.
	And a week later, they disclose it when it's convenient for them.
	Again, showing how that judge was a fraud by delegating to the government the decision to redact.
	But the government was a fraud by claiming this was compelled to be redacted when they disclosed it one week later, some of this information.
	But the fact they're disclosing it means they know they don't have a criminal case.
	It's solely meant in the court of public opinion because it has nothing to do with a special master.
	It has zero to do with a special master.
	Whether Trump did or didn't do something in response to a subpoena has zilch to do with whether a special master should be appointed.
	It's purely for the court of public opinion.
	I don't know if we're going to get into it more in detail tonight.
	I think we've got probably more Russia-oriented, Joe Biden-oriented discussion.
	But if we get into it, it'll be tonight.
	And if we don't, it will definitely be on Sunday, Robert.
	Yes.
	I know people were asking those questions.
	Jackson Hinkle, sir.
	It's good to be here.
	Dude, I've been doing some deep diving today.
	There's not much on the internet by way of scandal, so you're clean on that front.
	Unless you watch Ben Norton, maybe, and some other folks.
	Well, I'll tell you, Jackson, I was watching your debate with Vosh, or Vosh, however we pronounce it.
	It was fun stuff to watch.
	Wants to make me pull my hair out.
	But Jackson, okay, you're 22 years old?
	Yes.
	Oh my God.
	This is how we feel.
	We feel old, Robert.
	I was like looking up your history.
	I came across a website from 2018 when you were in high school or whatever it's called.
	Nuts.
	30,000 foot overview for those who may not know who you are watching now.
	And then we got questions and then we're going to talk who you are, how you got to be who you are and what you're doing now.
	Yeah, well, thank you for having me on the show.
	I'm a big fan, obviously, of both of your work.
	I watch you both and always see what you say, so very stoked to be here.
	I'm a YouTuber.
	My show is called The Dive with Jackson Hinkle, but I don't know how much longer I'm going to be on YouTube because they're trying to censor anyone and everyone off the platform.
	You guys are well aware of this.
	On Rumble as well, so shout out to the Rumble audience.
	But what I do is political commentary.
	Mostly descriptive analysis, a little bit of prescriptive analysis of what's going on in the world as it relates to this changing multipolar order and the breakup of U.S. hegemony.
	So right now that looks like a lot of Ukraine and Russia stuff, which I'm sure and I know your audience is very well aware of and familiar with.
	News as it relates to China and Taiwan.
	I interview a lot of political figures, people like Colonel Douglas McGregor, Ron Paul.
	Glenn Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard, for example.
	And just try to dig at what's really going on here as we see the decline of the U.S. empire.
	Because like you said, I'm only 22. I've got a lot to learn.
	Every single day I come out and stream and I cover the news, I learn new stuff.
	So that's kind of my goal with this all.
	And that's what I do.
	I like doing it.
	So happy to be here.
	Before you jumped into this space, where'd you grow up?
	These are the Viva intro questions.
	But where'd you grow up?
	What'd your family, what'd your parents do?
	Any siblings and so forth before you entered into the social media influencer world?
	Yeah, so I grew up in San Clemente, California.
	I lived there until I was like 20, 21. And so I lived there up until recently.
	I moved to LA about a year, a year and a half ago, maybe.
	And I grew up in a non-political household.
	It was just kind of like average American life.
	Played sports my whole life.
	That's what I just came back from doing.
	I was playing some basketball with some friends and game ran a little bit long.
	But we won.
	That's what counts.
	But yeah, I grew up...
	Surfing, basketball, all that stuff.
	Didn't do anything political.
	And then I have a very different trajectory than most people that we now associate with, most of the people that we talk to.
	I was a hardcore liberal.
	When I was 18, I was in high school.
	I got into my dream school, but my parents didn't have money to pay for me to go to my dream school.
	Unlike my sisters, they took up all the money.
	And so my sisters both went to college, and I was going to go to my dream school.
	And then I was like...
	I don't really want to be X amount of dollars in debt.
	So I decided to run for city council in my hometown as a Democrat when I was 18, which was in 2018.
	And then I lost that.
	I got my ass handed to me.
	And I ran again in 2019, still as a Democrat.
	And I had like every single previous Republican mayor endorse me.
	I was focused on...
	It's like local issues.
	So Democrat, Republican, these words don't even matter in local politics.
	It was just like I was a lib when I was younger.
	But when it came to local issues, that's what united all of us.
	And then I got second place there.
	Everyone kind of thought I was going to win, but the Sheriff's Department in Orange County, they sucked.
	They spent like $50,000 in the last three days of the campaign against me.
	And I kind of accredit that to maybe a bit of the reason why I lost.
	And then after that...
	I was a board member of Nancy Pelosi's youth council, so I'd have monthly meetings with her and like 10 other kids.
	And I was really big in environmental issues, which is extremely curious given what I cover on my show now so much.
	It's the energy collapse in Europe as a result of the green energy push.
	And yeah, I started my YouTube show and I just kind of, like I said, I didn't have any sort of like set path that I wanted to take with it, but it's...
	Landed me where I'm at today.
	And again, I feel like I learn new stuff every day.
	Jackson, I'm going to just dive into one thing you said.
	When you talked about your sisters having used all of the education fund, you sounded a little resentful there.
	So jokes aside, that's funny because these are like, that's kind of funny.
	Yeah, they did.
	They did.
	Well, the thing is too, they both got full rides.
	One academic, one...
	Uh, sports base and they didn't take it.
	So I was like, why didn't you take the full rides to the schools?
	Like you went to, they were good schools.
	It was like, I think it was like Pepperdine and, and like San Francisco, well, maybe San Francisco is not a good school, but anyways, uh, they, they, they denied him.
	And then my dad lost his job in 2008.
	So then, uh, they plan to have like, you know, ample income, but obviously they didn't.
	And that was kind of a moment where I was like, Yeah, no, I am resentful of it because I wanted to go to the school, but now I think actually I probably ended up better than I would have had I gone to the school and dealt with those professors that I thought so highly of at the time.
	And now I can look back at these people and say, that probably would have rotted my brain even more than it was.
	When you said, what did your dad do when he lost his job?
	Scrambled, did multiple startups, got screwed over when he did that.
	Uh, now he's on a good path and he's, he's fine.
	He, uh, he works in like dental marketing and also oddly enough, again, given what I cover and what we all cover, uh, he works, he has like a side project he does.
	That's been somewhat successful doing like COVID testing.
	Um, but it's not just COVID testing.
	They're now expanding it to like a bunch of other testing of like diseases and heart diseases and stuff like that, diabetes.
	But, um, yeah, they, they, you know, he's been fine.
	It was just like tough for a few years for sure.
	Now, do you go to public schools or what was your educational experience like?
	All public schools and growing up in Orange County.
	This is something I've reflected on quite a bit recently because my good friend Haas of the Infrared Show is another great guy that everyone should take the time to check out.
	He came out to visit me in L.A. a few months ago and we were talking about like our favorite books and our favorite literature.
	And he was just like listing all these American classics.
	I'm like.
	I haven't read that.
	I haven't read this.
	I haven't read that.
	I started to think about it.
	Though I grew up in a very Republican county and kind of lived like a Republican upbringing, culturally, traditionally, Republican, conservative upbringing, whatever, my school was so liberal and all the teachers were so liberal.
	And everything they had us read, I think it's important.
	But it shouldn't be all that you read surrounding slavery and racism.
	But that was pretty much every book we read.
	And I actually reached out to my English teacher from high school last week.
	And I confronted her about it.
	And I was like, look, you need to teach like Jack London.
	You need to teach Hemingway.
	Maybe not Hemingway is the best person.
	But there's a bunch of great American classics that they need to teach.
	And they weren't teaching in my school.
	They still don't teach.
	So I reached out.
	But that was kind of my education and upbringing.
	Yeah, public schools.
	Hicks and Jackson, I'm trying to just get who said, if you are not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain.
	I think it's Mark Twain, but I can't find it.
	You're still a kid, but this is my question, because you've proven the fact that you are very much a liberal, a Democrat, as far as it goes, working with, for, or in the presence of Pelosi.
	Do you still consider yourself to be on the left of the political spectrum?
	It's a good question.
	I'm actually, I don't talk about this a lot because most of what I discuss is asking questions and exposing the hypocrisy of the globalist elite.
	But I'm actually a Marxist.
	And as a Marxist, I view my worldview as drawing its own line, neither left nor right.
	Some of my views, some people call me heterodoxical because they're like, oh, Jackson, you have some conservative views.
	Or I have conservatives say, oh, Jackson, you have some leftist views.
	As a Marxist, I ascribe to neither.
	And I view everything from a dialectical worldview.
	And I look at everything also within the context of my presence as an American patriot in the structure, superstructure, and infrastructure of American history and what it means to be an American.
	So I don't know.
	I guess it's kind of a tricky answer.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	What does it mean to consider yourself a Marxist?
	Well, I think in today's day and age, it means fighting for similarly to what actually I think I think there's a lot that Marxists today in the West should hold in common with people like London LaRouche.
	There's a lot of Marxists today who think that like, oh, it just means being like an ultra leftist.
	At the end of the day, that's not what being a Marxist is.
	Being a Marxist means again.
	Recognizing the material reality of your country and using Marxism, the texts, the people like Lenin, people like Marx, people like Hegel, for example, who have written all of the theory to use as a guidance, as a pretext for how you should be navigating the material world.
	Leftists, they elevate themselves above What is material in this country?
	They operate in abstracts.
	They say we're going to have a future that is borderless, that is free of any culture, any history, any religion.
	And that's why they isolate themselves so much from the American public because they can't reckon with the real world.
	A Marxist understands this.
	And to a certain extent, but to a far lesser extent, I think some conservatives do this too.
	There's a certain bit of this on either side.
	Yeah, I mean, that's what I think it means to be a Marxist.
	Now, how would you describe your progression?
	In other words, in terms of ideas, what shaped those ideas, what were some of the turning points in your perception of the world, and what sources you trusted, and so forth?
	I think that I had a big awakening when...
	I don't know.
	I think it was kind of...
	I think it was kind of slow and steady.
	I don't think there was like one given moment.
	I think that meeting Haas, the guy I just mentioned, he's a guy who introduced me to a lot of Marxist theory.
	And that was kind of a changing moment for me because prior to that, I only read like the basics.
	And that was a changing moment.
	Understanding people and the worldview of individuals like LaRouche and like...
	Dugan, for example, understanding the need for a multipolar world and the intricacies of trying to maintain this U.S. hegemony and the danger of that rather than pursuing win-win cooperation.
	Things that people like Henry Carey, who is Abraham Lincoln's economic advisor, espoused.
	That was kind of the biggest changing moment for me.
	And I guess that finally manifested when we saw this war in Ukraine break out.
	And that's when I got a big jump in my audience.
	Probably primarily because people were just interested in the war and what was going on day to day because we hadn't really seen a massive ground war like this amongst a major player, global player, in our lifetimes.
	Ukraine and Russia is not Syria, Venezuela, Iran, or Iraq, or Afghanistan.
	But I think now discussing...
	The changing world order and the end of the neoliberal world order is what my audience primarily is interested in.
	And that's what I'm primarily interested in.
	It's like, who's controlling the tethers right now?
	Who are the players?
	How is this all changing?
	What is China doing?
	What is India doing?
	What is Turkey doing?
	These are the questions that I think are very interesting.
	I'm not going to bring up the chat now, Jackson.
	I suspect you might watch this afterwards.
	You're going to get lambasted for...
	People are going to say you're not clear on what Marxism is and whatever.
	I think at some point in time you might realize what you believe Marxism to be is actually more like a libertarian sort of ideology and actually not Marxism, which my understanding is a little different, but we don't need to get fixated on that.
	This is not a question of disagreeing on one issue and therefore disagreeing on all.
	I will say before we jump forward, though, that I think libertarians are probably the closest sect to what I believe.
	A true Marxism is in the United States.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what you're describing is analytic Marxism, which is a framework for perceiving events as opposed to the various ideologies.
	In the American political discourse, the word Marxist is really divorced from...
	And that's why I don't say it a lot, because most people think Marxism means...
	The takeover of all private property.
	These are the bastardization of the word Marxism.
	The struggle between social classes, specifically between the bourgeoisie, the capitalists, and the proletariat or workers defines economic relations in a capitalist economy and will inevitably lead to a revolution.
	And I don't want to get too hung up on this, but that's exactly the fight that we're talking about when we talk about this Great Reset.
	When we talk about the Great Reset Agenda, it is the globalist elite.
	It is the Klaus Schwab's.
	It's the Ursula von der Leyen's waged against the last bulwarks of what is the American proletariat or the Dutch proletariat, the farmers.
	George Washington said that the most respectable employment that any man could take up is to be in agriculture, be a farmer.
	It is the globalist oligarchical elite versus us.
	We are ruled by criminals.
	Anyone who's dived into really what Marxist literature is, you dive into what Hegel is.
	You dive into what dialectical materialism is.
	This is how you should view the world.
	Again, I think that the word's been bastardized.
	That's why I usually don't talk about it, but you asked.
	No, no.
	And I appreciate the honesty and sincerely.
	And the internet is what it is.
	People have their own impressions and they're going to have their own conclusions.
	I do say, though, the irony here.
	Is that you'll consider yourself a Marxist, setting aside how people understand that term, while at the same time now feeling the wrath of the left.
	Because you are definitely not a MAGA Republican.
	I think we can safely conclude that.
	Or you don't consider yourself to be one now.
	You might be one in six months, depending on how the terms change.
	So you're not a MAGA Republican.
	You consider yourself to be a Marxist.
	And you're now feeling the wrath.
	Of what people would call the left, the institutionalized left, when you dare go against the grain, go against the narrative.
	Tell us about that because you're 22, you started YouTube a few years ago.
	When did you start your YouTube channel?
	February 2020.
	Okay, so a couple years.
	You were monetized up until a certain point.
	Tell us how that occurred that you got...
	Permanently demonetized.
	And what did you learn?
	Well, I want to put a pin in that.
	And I'll come back to what you said about the MAGA part.
	I think that the vision of MAGA is actually incredible.
	Do I think that Donald Trump held up to everything that he said he was going to do?
	Of course, no one does.
	Do I think that he was lied to a lot by the people that he put around himself?
	Yes, I do think he was.
	And he fell for a lot of it.
	Do I think also that he was...
	Completely screwed over as the commander-in-chief of our country when he was telling people like James Jeffries, the Syrian envoy, to remove troops from Syria.
	And James Jeffries laughed behind his back and said, yeah, we're going to do it.
	And then he never did it.
	And then he boasted about it after the fact.
	Yeah.
	So I think the closest allies that someone like myself has in the United States government right now are people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, people like Thomas Massey, people like Rand Paul, for example.
	Those are my closest allies.
	Those are the people that I look to to uphold the, you know, stances that I share on the issues that I care most about.
	And I think that should be celebrated.
	And I'll also say, before we move on to the censorship discussion, is that Marxism has never, ever, ever been in any country that you, well, almost any country that you can look at.
	It's never really been, you know, George Soros leftist.
	That's a uniquely American thing, and it's a cancer that's spreading to all of these European countries now.
	You look at German Marxists, it's spreading there.
	You look at Latin America, it's spreading there.
	You look at, for example, in Chile.
	You look at Colombia.
	You look at Brazil now with Lula.
	He's coming back, and now he's woke.
	You look even at Venezuela.
	Maduro's beginning to sound kind of woke in some capacities.
	And he's really the last bulwark against that stuff in Latin America.
	So I think that this whole woke Marxism is really a cancer onto Marxism, and it's ahistorical.
	But as for censorship, I was censored for telling the truth about Ukraine.
	They never really identified what it was.
	I think it was because I used a word that started with end and ended.
	With S and had a Z in it far too many times to describe.
	Yes, you have to go with Yahtzee because nobody has a problem with Yahtzees.
	It's a very fun game to play with children.
	Unless the Yahtzees take over the country.
	Yahtzee is a fun game to play with children.
	Yes.
	So maybe, yeah, that's the lesson I learned.
	Yahtzee is a fun game to play.
	But no, really, they...
	And I know you guys have come under this too, but they...
	It's insane the world we live in.
	We have these blue and pink-haired liberal elites that went to Boston College or went to Brown University.
	They come back to Silicon Valley.
	Now they tell us what we can and cannot say.
	These are people, by the way, who think that it's acceptable that you can't get a tattoo before you're the age of 18, but you can do genital mutilation before you're the age of 18. It's completely asinine, the world we live in.
	I don't know.
	It's like...
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy that this isn't my America.
	I talked to my parents about this, who are not political in the slightest, and they're like, this is not the America we grew up in.
	What they're doing, though, and it's not just me getting censored, it's not just you guys getting censored.
	What they're doing is, at least I think, is they're trying to strike at the basic premise of what it means to be an American.
	They're trying to raise a generation and multiple generations of people that think...
	Anti-free speech is American.
	And censoring disinformation is actually what it means to be an American.
	You know, they're striking at this because they want people to feel as though there's nothing to fight for.
	So when the Great Reset comes, they can pick up the pieces and manipulate all of us in whatever ways they want.
	And we're not going to push back.
	We're not going to fight against that because we'll feel hopeless.
	We'll feel like there's nothing worth fighting for.
	That is what makes America, America.
	We're a diverse country.
	We're religiously diverse.
	Some people like MTG will say this is a Christian nationalist country.
	I push back on that.
	We are ethnically diverse.
	The thing that holds America together, in my view, are these fundamental values that we're supposed to be guaranteed.
	And if they're not being guaranteed, it's our duty to alter or abolish the government.
	And that right now, those basic premises are being destroyed by the George Soros lackeys that run this country.
	Now, when you started exploring it, what was your initial intention with the YouTube channel?
	Was it, hey, I got some ideas.
	I want to explore them.
	I want to explore what my own ideas are, see what the audience thinks.
	What was your initial process and how did that change over time?
	And in the same vein...
	How did you find the sources that you found?
	In other words, how do you go outside of the institutional narrative that you're talking about the gatekeepers wanting to maintain a monopoly of?
	How did you find ways to find independent voices and separate from the institutional voices?
	Asking questions, getting pressed by my own audience about things that I had assumed previously, and looking into the details further.
	I'm never one to shy away from Things that I'm...
	And also just recognizing that, like I said earlier, I don't know everything and I'm learning a lot, so whatever.
	I need to look more into further issues.
	So the first time this happened that I really remember was there was a contingency of my audience that was big fans of the gray zone.
	And I remember that someone brought up the topic of Xinjiang China and quote-unquote Uyghur genocide there.
	And without getting too into the details of that issue in particular...
	I made claims that I thought were sound about that, that I had heard from people that I respected about the genocide in Xinjiang, China.
	And upon further looking into really detailed journalism that was done by Max Blumenthal and others, like forgetting his first name, his last name is Singh at the Gray Zone.
	He doesn't report there a lot anymore, but he used to.
	Upon looking into that stuff, I was just blown away at how much of a national endowment for democracy, CIA-backed stunt this whole propaganda effort was, and what the overarching goal there is.
	There's a reason why George Soros says that Xi Jinping poses the greatest threat to open societies today.
	I think there's many things to be critical of Xi Jinping over and China over.
	They're culturally very different than us.
	But at the end of the day, They do pose a serious threat to the Malthusian worldview that says that we want to focus on degrowth and we want to focus on depopulation.
	They pose a serious threat to that, a threat that many in London and Wall Street, I think, take to heart.
	So looking at people like that, diving deeper into it, The Gray Zone, I read a lot.
	Antiwar.com, Libertarian Institute, I read a lot.
	Wall Street on Parade, I read a lot.
	Those are some of the biggest outlets I read.
	Every day.
	Jackson, I'm just going to pull this up because I saw the question.
	It's decent.
	Please ask him one name of someone on the left who is in power, I don't know what that means, and who is pursuing his values.
	I guess, I mean...
	That means, where is the anti-establishment left?
	Where is the anti-war left?
	It's on vacation.
	I mean, it's Tulsi Gabbard.
	But, I mean, there's a range of people, Glenn Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard, Jimmy Dore, with influence in the influencer community.
	Is there anybody in Congress at this point?
	No.
	I think Jimmy Dore is a good example of someone.
	I'm on his show several times a week.
	I love Jimmy.
	Glenn Greenwald's never really described himself as left.
	I think people have cast that upon him.
	Maybe semi-appropriately.
	Tulsi, similarly.
	I don't know.
	I don't think that there really is.
	I consider...
	I consider the American left today to be my enemy.
	That's what I consider them to be.
	You know, I have people like you brought up Ben Norton.
	Ben Norton's done a lot of great work that I really respect.
	And I used to look to him for a lot of, you know, commentary on Latin American issues.
	But when you have people like Ben, who've done so much great work, that don't understand the dystopian, covidian, nightmare agenda of the biomedical security state that they're trying to shove down our throats.
	And they're openly condemning anyone who's exposing that.
	That's a problem.
	When you have people like Ben Norton who are coming out and saying that I myself is a fascist, just like he believes Alexander Dugan is a fascist.
	He wrote that the day after Alexander Dugan's daughter was assassinated.
	That's a problem.
	And that's clearly someone that doesn't want to work with me, and not only doesn't want to work with me, but considers me to be such a parasite.
	That if I were to be assassinated, then he would have no deal with it.
	He would have no problem with it.
	So I think most of the left today is co-opted by these either directly or indirectly, knowingly or unwittingly.
	They've been co-opted and manipulated by these sorts of figures, the globalist figures that we all discuss.
	And they're pursuing the agenda that's going to wreak havoc on this world for...
	In the indefinite future.
	I didn't know Ben Norton had gotten into politics.
	I liked him in American History X and Fight Club.
	But I'm Tiss.
	So you start, you know, you have your channel.
	It gets monetized.
	You're sort of trying to make something of an income out of this.
	You start talking freely about certain issues.
	I'll just say this.
	Look, you think you're on the left and you consider yourself on the left and even set aside the definition of Marxists and Marxism.
	I don't know what these terms mean anymore because no one on the left, the institutional left, will look at you and say that you're on the left.
	They will say that you're a far-right extremist because that's the catch-all now.
	That's what you are, Viva.
	You're a far-right extremist.
	I guess then you go down to the granular policy issues like gay marriage, gun rights, whatever.
	Tax.
	Should you pay more taxes?
	Should you be entitled to other people's money?
	Whatever.
	But you consider yourself to be on the left.
	You start building up a brand.
	You start building up a business because that's what it is.
	And then they come and shut you down.
	How did that happen?
	Well...
	Yeah, I mean, it was really crazy because it didn't even happen until I started covering the war in Ukraine.
	So it wasn't even left versus right per se at that point.
	All my coverage was focused daily on the war in Ukraine at that point because this happened maybe like, I don't even know, maybe like two months ago that I really got hit hard.
	I mean, initially they went after my merchandise stores.
	And they banned me from where I sold my merch for years.
	And then they banned me from Twitch.
	I said that there was labs in Ukraine, you know?
	And I talked about that.
	And I didn't say anything that was crazy.
	I didn't say anything that was just like a regurgitation of the MFA in Russia or the...
	Ministry of Defense in Russia.
	I was talking about was what Robert Pope, the director of the Center for Threat Reduction Program, which is the U.S. program that actually has overseen these former Soviet biolabs in Ukraine over the past 30 years was saying.
	So I was talking about that.
	I was talking about those.
	And for that, I was labeled a harmful misinformation actor by Twitch, which is owned by Amazon.
	And I was permanently banned.
	Keep in mind that this is the same platform that gave a seven-day suspension this week to a woman who went out on an all-ages live-streaming website and live-streamed herself getting her back blown out.
	It's just completely hypocritical.
	What does getting her back blown out mean?
	A certain form of interaction between adult human beings.
	Beavis getting a crash course.
	I thought she pulled her back.
	No, he doesn't mean that.
	Bum, bum, intercourse from the bum.
	Yes.
	Okay, okay.
	So yeah, but seven days for her.
	All ages streaming website.
	Lifetime ban for me.
	Three days later, Victoria Nuland comes out before Marco Rubio in the Senate and gives her infamous testimony that, yes, there are biolabs in Ukraine.
	Then, of course, we had the Pentagon come out not too long thereafter and confirmed that not only were there a few, but there's actually a lot of them.
	And then after that, I got banned for life from PayPal.
	After that, I got banned for life from Venmo.
	This was because I violated their terms of agreement surrounding my social commentary.
	Then I got a 21-day suspension from YouTube, and I got permanently demonetized by YouTube because they said I violated their partner program or whatever, their YouTube partner program.
	Interestingly enough, and this is kind of the last part of the story as it relates to the censorship wave, it was uncovered.
	That the Ukrainian government has a ministry called the Ministry of Digital Transformation.
	This is a Goebbels-esque, you know, Ministry of Propaganda style arm of the Ukrainian government that, you know, is pretty quiet.
	People don't hear about it a lot.
	But the Ministry of Digital Transformation on behalf of the Ukrainian government is still today operating a Discord server, which is in direct violation of Discord's You know, community guidelines that targets people who put out quote unquote Russian disinformation and sends their thousands of Discord members to go and mass report a user.
	So it was actually in these leaked Discord server transcripts that they found that these people were saying, oh my God, we got him.
	We got Jackson Hinkle.
	We targeted him.
	And now he got demonetized.
	He got removed from YouTube, so on and so forth.
	You know, this stuff goes high up.
	It's the Ukrainian government at this point that's coming after us.
	And I'm sure it's not just centered to me.
	I'm sure that they're going to be coming after you guys too.
	And yeah, it's a travesty that we have the most corrupt country in Europe that's dictating what we can see here in America.
	When you had a merch store, things like that, when we hear of people getting this type of deplatforming...
	You assume they're selling shirts that have the hard N-word, the hard K-word.
	Ethnic slurs, racial slurs.
	Kathy...
	What's her face?
	Kathy...
	The woman who held the Trump...
	Kathy Griffin.
	That's the type of thing we're thinking about.
	What was the nature of your merch?
	What was the nature of your PayPal?
	And then what were the specific allegations?
	Or were there any specific allegations?
	Well, for the shirts, I committed the ultimate sin of having a Z on a shirt.
	A black shirt with a Z on it.
	Just the Z or the full Yahtzee?
	Just the Z. A double Z, like one overlaying the other, or just the Z?
	Just the letter Z. Because that was when Ukraine was banning it, right?
	Yeah.
	Ukraine, Latvia, and Germany all banned the letter Z. Which is funny, because Zielinski's name starts with a Z. Well, now it's Zielinski.
	Well, I think they banned Y, too, so it's just Zielinski.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So they banned that, and then I actually uploaded them to another website called TZilly.
	It's a French website.
	And they were selling my shirts, as well as a shirt that I made.
	It was hilarious.
	Have you guys ever seen the little, like...
	Tin can plane thing and Zelensky's sitting in the blue and yellow.
	It's like a little canister thing.
	I put that on a shirt and I put RIP Ghosts of Kiev on it.
	And I sold a lot of those shirts and a lot of the Z shirts.
	And then TZilly banned me and they fulfilled all the orders, but they never paid me.
	So I'm having to somehow sue a French company now for like thousands of dollars.
	I just want to bring up one thing.
	I had no idea the letter Z. Was so controversial.
	Yes.
	They had damn well better.
	Hold on.
	I don't want to see an ad.
	Three, two.
	Grammarly.
	Now you see what ads I get, people.
	Take it down.
	Take it down, people.
	They're indoctrinating our youth.
	I did not know that that was a meme.
	It was just a black shirt that said Z. Everyone knows what it means.
	It's literally the last letter of the alphabet on a shirt black like this.
	And you got in trouble for that.
	Yeah, onesie on the front, onesie on the back.
	That's it.
	And then PayPal, Venmo, they all vaguely said I was in violation of their agreements.
	What we know about that is three days before I was banned from PayPal and Venmo, Max Blumenthal at the Gray Zone exposed a story surrounding Paul Mason.
	It's referred to as Masongate.
	He's a UK political figure that was running for some office in the Labour Party.
	And there was leaked emails from Paul Mason to other MI6-affiliated individuals.
	And Paul Mason was saying, we're going to go after the Grey Zones, PayPal and Venmo, just like we went after Mint Press News and Consortium News' PayPal.
	We're going to target them there and try to deplatform.
	I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what he said.
	And then three days later, after that story's published, you know, I get hit with the PayPal Venmo ban.
	I have to think what may have been behind that.
	I can't confirm, but it's very possible.
	Just want to bring this up, just to show, you know, this is still all available, people.
	8645, make America think again.
	They just meant to take him off the ballot.
	They didn't mean anything more than that.
	But a Z on a shirt, rules for thee, but not for me.
	Okay, that's phenomenal.
	It's crazy.
	How much were you surprised in going through the whole Ukraine experience, covering it from multiple independent sources?
	I'm always curious when...
	Young Americans come to discover that their government and the mainstream media, institutional media across the political scale, doesn't matter, left, right, wherever they are, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Rupert Murdoch, the New York Post has told more lies about Ukraine than pretty much everybody.
	They have a fake news almost every other day.
	Murdoch is a huge war whore.
	But it doesn't matter whether you come from the right or you come from the left.
	Just the massive amount of just open, overt lies.
	How much of that was a surprise?
	What effect or impact did that have on you?
	Because I'm always curious how people responded to witnessing in live time how the war machine works in various governments and societies.
	I feel like I was pretty well equipped with the nature of mass media in the United States and our political institutions and all of the NGO infrastructure in the West.
	I think what surprised me the most...
	And I think it surprised maybe just about everyone.
	For the first time, what I believe to be in recorded history, we now have the Collective West, which has sanctioned themselves into not only a crisis.
	This is like empire catastrophe level destruction, what we're now going to be witnessing.
	I think that surprised me more than anything else.
	I always followed Syria stuff.
	I always followed all of the likely suspects, a big WikiLeaks supporter, Julian Assange supporter.
	But there's something unique about, and something poetic actually, about the United States and the EU who've cast so many sanctions upon so many people that have crippled economies, starved families, destroyed lives, caused in...
	The amount of death that we can't even begin to fathom through all the sanctioned warfare that they've levied against people who don't ascribe to Western norms or don't ascribe to LGBTQ ideology because they don't like what they do in their Eastern worldview.
	Now we've sanctioned ourselves into oblivion.
	It's kind of poetic.
	I wish it wasn't the case because I live here.
	I don't want to see my economy implode, but there's something to be said about that.
	That's what's probably surprised me the most.
	What I love is, yeah, setting aside the disagreement over what Marxism means.
	And I noticed the chat changing.
	I noticed, you know, more people watching.
	Setting aside Marxism.
	Jackson, you're a MAGA Republican.
	You just don't know it yet.
	So you're watching this now.
	I was trying to pull up...
	Both of my audiences, too.
	Well, because the bottom line is these labels only lead to confusion.
	They lead to tribalism.
	It's the principles that underlie them that are important.
	So I was trying to pull up the graph of the energy prices in Germany.
	You're following this.
	First of all, I guess Barnes's question, I'm going to ask it in advance.
	Your sources, I think you went over them briefly, but just remind us again where your sources are on these issues for the war in Ukraine.
	And how did you find him and how did you pick him?
	I often get this question.
	Laura Logan recently got this question.
	How do you vet a source?
	How do you find a source?
	How do you know which source to trust?
	Especially something like an international conflict.
	Yeah, I mean, it's tough.
	Throughout the war in Ukraine, I mean, really the only sources that were publishing like...
	Pretty much factual information.
	I haven't seen a lot of stories that they've had to retract, if any, that I can think of off the top of my head, are RT and Toss.
	They are the ones who followed this all the closest, and they've been very careful not to put out information.
	I'll see stuff on my Telegram.
	I'll see stuff pop up and I'm like, let's wait till RT or TOS covers this because they are far more reserved in their approach of covering these international conflicts.
	Most of what I think that I'm following right now, though, is the changing world insofar as these trade deals, what's going on with BRICS, what's going on between Russia and India, Russia and Turkey, these sorts of things, Russia and China.
	And you're not going to get a skewed opinion whether you look at Bloomberg or whether you look at RT.
	They're going to say the same thing.
	And Wall Street Journal, Washington Post.
	Oddly enough, you know, they're kind of starting to cover this stuff.
	These aren't things that can really slip below the thumb of the American propaganda machine.
	These are just facts.
	I'm in the business of reporting facts, and I know everyone says that, but really, from this news, from the news of, say, Russia and India doing a massive trade deal in rupees and rubles.
	People can interpret that story a hundred different ways.
	I think we will probably interpret that story far differently than a Slava Zucchini supporter.
	But at the end of the day, the facts are still the facts.
	What this shows is...
	Countries don't have to hide if they're going to do currencies alternative to the dollar anymore.
	They don't have to fear that they're going to end up like Muammar Gaddafi if they try to establish a new currency alternative tied to the gold standard.
	They don't have to worry about this.
	This is a new world, and that's what it shows to us.
	So I think to a certain extent, the news is the news.
	It's how you interpret it, how you analyze it that makes all the difference in the world.
	So if I'm sourcing, or Brian Berletic at the New Atlas, for example, is sourcing news straight from the Pentagon briefing today or the State Department briefing today.
	Okay, that's the news.
	That's what they're saying.
	But you can decipher what they mean and what's really going on when they say Russia's engaging in shaping operations in the Nikolai region and it seems as though the situation in the Donbass is not going exactly how we imagine.
	Okay, what does that mean?
	That means that Russia's steamrolling in the Donbass, whether you like that or not, whether you're supportive of it or not, whatever, they are.
	Nikolaev is about to come under a similar sort of scrutiny by Russian forces that the Donbass has.
	So I think that it's all about how you look at the news.
	But again, how I came to my sources was just seeing who's right and wrong.
	The Kiev Independent has published so many false things throughout the entirety of this war.
	Of course, you can look at that.
	You can look at all the falsehoods that they put forward and see that this is just factually incorrect.
	You have people all across...
	I don't know.
	That's a tough question because anyone could say that, but I don't know.
	I have two questions there.
	One, what is it like when you take an opinion that's contra the institutional narrative and then you see that the institutional narrative keeps failing in its short-term predictability and the contra narrative keeps proving successful over and over again?
	And it's short-term predictability.
	And part one, what was it like to live that, to witness that, to watch that?
	And then in the same vein, how much did...
	Because you started your YouTube channel right as everything crazy COVID was happening.
	And you got to see that was another global mass propaganda campaign.
	There were only a few dissident voices.
	But as time went on, the dissident voices were increasingly confirmed.
	The institutional voices...
	Everybody.
	Turned out your local doctor was lying to you.
	Some of them knew they were lying.
	Some of them didn't.
	How much did that also influence your willingness to accept contra-institutional narratives?
	Well, you put it very well.
	Far better than I could have.
	Throughout the war in Ukraine, yeah.
	I think the clearest indication of that has been the economy, the energy markets.
	What's going on in Germany?
	What's going on in France?
	What's going on in the UK?
	Looking at the division and the disunity in the EU and in NATO and recognizing that they're actually not all in agreement with each other.
	There are some dissident voices even amongst them that are saying we don't really want to reduce our energy consumption by 15% because Germany didn't diversify their energy.
	Even looking at it within the confines of these Western institutions, you can see it.
	And the more and more you see it, the more and more you begin to say, oh, well, this is actually the truth.
	So you bring up a good point there.
	When it comes to COVID, I was one of the many who fell under the...
	I fell victim to the propaganda that they were putting forward surrounding COVID.
	I think when...
	Even at the start of COVID, I wasn't really watching Jimmy Dore.
	I started watching Jimmy Dore...
	When the COVID bills started to come up and they were just funneling so much money to the richest of the richest elite and they were doing nothing with that money.
	They were just putting it in their pockets.
	Paul Pelosi Jr., Hunter Biden Jr., putting it in their pocket, doing whatever they want with it.
	While average Americans in my community, like my barber, shut his doors.
	The Mexican place, the Italian place I used to go to, shut their doors.
	All small businesses were getting completely screwed over.
	Plenty of people on the street I used to live on had to move because they could not live there anymore.
	Everyone knows it was terrible.
	But that's kind of what started to...
	All the madness of the lockdown.
	The lockdowns really kind of opened my eyes to what was going on.
	But I didn't ever really dive too deep into the lunacy behind...
	I'll be very careful what I say here.
	The news surrounding the jabs.
	That was something that I didn't really dive into, and I think I felt not entirely propagandized to, but at first I kind of believed what they were saying.
	So seeing Jimmy Dore cover that a lot, and seeing him do interviews with people like Robert Kennedy, and seeing him do interviews with people like McCullough, I begin to have my eyes open, so I thank him forever for that.
	But yeah, that was a huge awakening, and it just goes to show.
	That like, no matter what era you are living in, you know, 2000, 2001 onward, there's always going to be the current thing.
	There's always going to be the current thing that they tried to shove down our thoughts and they're going to try their hardest.
	And we'll see right through it now.
	We've seen it far too many times.
	We know what the patterns are.
	If it's Trump and the FBI, if it's Russiagate, if it's Syria, if it's Ukraine, if it's Taiwan, whatever, we all know what it is.
	So, this is the amazing thing.
	Like, I read the chat.
	People don't, they either discredit you because you say you're a Marxist or you're on the left, whatever.
	Bottom line, though, you consider yourself to be on the left, and that's fine.
	I really don't.
	I really don't.
	Well, no, it wasn't the accusation of that.
	It's a question of reaching more minds.
	So, you got the Jimmy Dore.
	You got people who are generally regarded as being leftists, like Jimmy Dore, the reporter.
	Now, Glenn Greenwald.
	I think these labels are idiotic and they're juvenile because they try to pigeonhole an individual based on a term and not the complexities that are an individual.
	Setting all that aside, my question to you is more of a broader one.
	Are we reaching more people between all of us?
	Are we awakening more people or are we speaking to fewer and fewer people who are getting, I won't say radicalized, but who already believe the same thing?
	When there's a three individual like us, Robert Barnes, Who represented Alex Jones.
	And the other guy there, Ralph Nader.
	There's me, the Canadian.
	There's you, who debated Vaush, and we're going to get to that in a second.
	Are we reaching more and more people, or are we speaking to fewer and fewer people because more people are tuning out?
	Well...
	The short answer is I think our audiences speak for themselves.
	There's a reason why Chris Cuomo, who just started a YouTube channel, can only muster up 20,000 subscribers and a few thousand views per every video he posts.
	I think the more in-depth answer is that the material reality that people are living through right now is causing them to have Greater and greater and greater levels of distrust in the establishment, in the elite, in the mass media, which was already not high.
	I mean, you look at like 2018, what was it, like 18% trust in corporate media across the board in the United States?
	That's not high to begin with.
	Maybe that was like 2019 or late 2020.
	I don't really remember.
	As we continue to see things, like in Europe, for example, there's going to be revolts all across Europe.
	In the United States, we're seeing average Americans who can't afford a $500 expense right now because we have an economy that's based on a service economy, based on being an Uber driver, being a Lyft driver, rather than actually building things, rather than actually producing goods and commodities.
	People are disillusioned with what we are being told is good and acceptable, and they're turning to alternatives.
	They're saying, what is the answer?
	What is meaningful life?
	And it's definitely not what Klaus Schwab is selling them.
	It's definitely not what Ursula von der Leyen is selling them.
	Oh, I'm going to take a cold shower.
	Oh, I can't even take a shower anymore.
	I have to use a rag to wipe under my arms.
	That's not a high standard of living.
	That's an indicator, the clearest indicator that I've ever seen.
	Of an economy and a society in complete collapse.
	Okay, so I think that as the days go on, the situations get worse and worse.
	Not only are we going to resonate with more people who are having to live through this madness.
	You look at Trudeau's stand right now.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	Not only are more people going to resonate with us, but then the people who are on the other side of it.
	I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I have so many Russians that would so...
	I do one thing when I go live every day, almost every day.
	I say, where's everyone tuning in from today?
	About halfway through the stream, I say, where's everyone tuning in from today?
	And I go down.
	Some of these places, I can't even pronounce them.
	It's all across the world.
	So I think that more and more and more people are tuning out of the mainstream because they recognize their lives and they're tuning into people like us.
	And Alex Jones, because Alex Jones was right about a hell of a lot of stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think that despite the prior disputes between Jimmy Dore and Alex Jones, Glenn Greenwald was down there for his documentary, said some very favorable and sympathetic things.
	I think what it is, this is true of the quasi-institutional right, but there's a lot of people on the right and a lot of people on the left who I always think have been blinded by their dis...
	disagreements with Alex Jones, especially as it relates to that case.
	That case was a travesty and a tragedy of justice, and they're going to use it to come after the rest of us, just as he was the canary in the coal mine for big tech de-platforming.
	He is the canary in the coal mine for a weaponized legal system that will take us all out, that are dissidents, that are independents, that are outside the mainstream, institutional, gatekeeper, country club narrative.
	I always said politics has always been better understood on a top-down scale than a left-right scale.
	You have sort of different kinds of what I call populist at the bottom of the end of the political scale.
	And then you've got various kinds of elites and globalists at the top.
	And that they may grab and steal a label that belongs to the ideological or intellectual framework of populist, but that is not in fact what that label necessarily means or entails.
	Now, a couple of things.
	One was from our locals live chat.
	Well, one question.
	I'll go to the question second.
	The first was just someone said, Jackson is someone who has been awake and learning since your age.
	I'm thankful you're out there inciting thought crime.
	I like that.
	Inciting thought crime.
	That's good.
	That will be a crime.
	Robert, I just said I'm writing that down.
	Yeah, that is great.
	And you encouraged me about the prospects of your generation.
	I've got a couple of stepkids that are Zoomers.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The Zoomers are going to be more hopeful than the Millennials, in my experience.
	God bless Millennials.
	They drove me nuts.
	Keep it up and keep your mind agile.
	And then the other question was, how much, I'm assuming it wasn't part of what was taught anymore in schools, but people like John Locke, people like Jonathan Swift, people like Adam Smith, people like our own founders, people like Thomas, a founding idea guy, Thomas Paine, probably the greatest influence on the American Revolution, you know, Thomas Jefferson.
	I think people are starting to wake up now to how public schools have gone off the rails.
	And one of the differences I describe politically is how much people...
	Trust elites versus trust ordinary people.
	You can be left.
	You can be right.
	You can be Marxist.
	You can be anarchist.
	You can be anywhere on that scale.
	Who do you trust at the end of the day?
	Do you trust an ordinary person more or do you trust some elite somewhere, some distant elite somewhere?
	That ends up being what politics is really all about at the end of the day.
	How much that these elites in our institutions have been corrupting the minds of generations of Americans in ways that is anti-patriotic, that's anti-American, that's anti-our founding principles.
	How much have you realized the scope and scale of it as you've explored your own intellectual discovery post-high school?
	Yeah, that's a good question.
	I'm also glad you didn't leave out our anarcho-socialists because they're doing very, very good work in Langley, Virginia.
	Very good work.
	They're working overtime.
	The question about the patriotism, like I said, I grew up living a very standard life.
	You play football, you play baseball, you do what you do.
	I played basketball most of my life.
	I love the country.
	I love the 4th of July parades.
	Now that I'm an adult, I love to go and party in Newport for 4th of July.
	And I also said at the beginning, the structure, superstructure, and infrastructure of this country, all things that make it so incredible, you're taught to disavow all of that.
	And it's getting worse.
	You're taught to disavow all of that in high school, right?
	I was.
	I don't know about you guys, but I was.
	Not only that, but it was kind of seen as the cool thing to disavow what it means to be an American.
	I don't know.
	It was like the anti-establishment.
	That's kind of like the anarchist thing.
	But now it's gone one step farther than just being viewed as an anarchist.
	You have to be like...
	Oh, I'm anti-American.
	I'm George Washington, slave owner, bad, canceled.
	Now, we're getting to the point, and I talk about this with some kids that I know who are in grade school right now.
	It has become, and I'm not saying, I'm not trying to be divisive here or discriminatory or anything like that, but we're now at a point where in grade school, these kids, it's more normal to have some sort of a...
	gender descriptor or sexual descriptor attached to your name, then if you...
	We're getting to a point, though, where I think we are already seeing some sort of like a cultural revolution that's pushing back against all of this, and I think that's great.
	And as for what I've learned after the fact, all of those names that you just listed, not a single one was taught to me, K-12.
	Maybe here and there we had like a passage to read.
	My Euro teacher was kind of good.
	I liked him.
	But my AP Gov teacher was a big Van Jones fan, big CNN Van Jones fan.
	My history teacher junior was a football coach, so he didn't really know anything about history, unfortunately.
	And yeah, my econ teacher.
	It was just...
	I don't know.
	To answer your question, I learned a lot of stuff after high school and I didn't go to college and I feel like that would have rotted my brain.
	And now they want to ban George Orwell in high schools because the irony is it's the wrong thing.
	Jackson, how did you end up in the debate with Vash?
	Do you have a relationship with Vash or personal or was this something for entertainment purposes?
	Yeah, I like to do debates.
	I don't do them a lot.
	People don't like to debate me anymore because when Vosh and I debated, I still am very unknown to most people.
	But when I debated Vosh, it was the first and only one of two times I've ever been trending nationwide on Twitter.
	And the entire Twitter trend was just people eviscerating Vosh and going after him.
	We had a debate because he put out some extremely...
	A ludicrous claims that were just regurgitation of what the State Department was saying about the OPCW cover-up scandal from an alleged chemical attack in Duma, Syria.
	OPCW?
	Acronym?
	Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.
	So, in short, his claim was that Assad was responsible, Bashar al-Assad, the leader of Syria, was responsible for gassing his own civilians.
	In a region of Syria called Douma and also alleged that the same was done in Ghouta, Syria a few years earlier.
	And my claim was that the international investigators who went into Douma, Syria on behalf of the OPCW not only proved that it was impossible for Bashar al-Assad to have committed the act with his Syrian army, but also...
	That it was indicative that there was actually nefarious foul play on behalf of the CIA and MI6-linked white helmets that have been present in Syria for many years and have played a large role in propagandizing around the Syrian dirty war.
	Anyways, long story short is, the OPCW investigation was covered up.
	I had a debate with Vosh about this and about the merits of the investigation and what really went on there.
	He was reading from Wikipedia.
	I was reading from the actual documents that the experts on the ground that are internationally world-renowned forensic specialists were writing about what they saw on the scene, and that's indicative of how the debate went.
	I watched a portion of it.
	First of all, how do you know Vash to begin with?
	He is a big Biden supporter.
	He's kind of known for just being like a big liberal, you know, physically and fanatically.
	And he goes after anyone who is to the left of, you know, Joe Biden.
	Like, he'll use Humberto Echo's 14 points to claim that, like...
	I'm a fascist without similarly applying that same rigorous set of points to Joe Biden himself or to Vash's own worldview.
	Vash is a guy who said that Julian Assange should be locked up in a CIA black site for the rest of his life and he'd find that good.
	So yeah, he's an absolutely terrible individual, but he's amassed a very large audience.
	He has like 440,000 subscribers on YouTube.
	And he also has some very, very, very concerning views surrounding, you know, like...
	Potato files.
	MAPs.
	Okay, there we go.
	We have another word.
	Yes, I can't say the big P word, although we can't.
	Pedophile.
	But potato files, minor attracted persons.
	Yes.
	I was going to say earlier when you mentioned the genital mutilation.
	We don't say genital mutilation.
	Perverts.
	You can just sum it up real quick, real easy.
	Pre-version is still pre-version, as they say back home in tennis.
	So I know we've got about a few more minutes left.
	Now, on sports, how much have you maintained and sustained your interest?
	Because of the political politicization of American sports, networks and news, a lot of sports itself.
	I still think LeBron James is a great player, or was, but the politics has really contaminated the perception of who he is on the court.
	I think he thinks he's Muhammad Ali.
	He's not quite there.
	But how much have you maintained your affection for it, given all of the craziness of it?
	And any favorite teams growing up and still today?
	Lakers through and through.
	You can't stop me there.
	I hate LeBron.
	I actually don't like him as a player.
	I've never really liked him.
	But you have to understand, like, what?
	He played for the Cavs.
	He played for the Heat.
	He beat us a few years.
	Whatever.
	I can't like that guy.
	But, you know, Kobe's someone that I drive a lot of, like, my own personal attributes from.
	I think he was awesome.
	I tried to drive my personal...
	I can't live to be someone like Kobe.
	That dude's a fucking legend.
	But, yeah, Lakers.
	As far as football goes, I don't really have a team in football.
	Sam Darnold went to my high school.
	I got a bunch of friends that play at USC right now, a bunch of friends that play at Stanford, SMU, Alabama.
	So I'm looking forward to see where they go over the next few years.
	But Justin Jackson, he plays on the Lions right now.
	I know that guy.
	He's great.
	I've really, really gotten into boxing and UFC.
	And I started boxing myself probably about like eight months ago.
	And UFC, I've never done any MMA, but I would not mind getting into it.
	And I follow MMA, UFC pretty religiously.
	And that, if you're looking for a sport that is free of any sort of like wokeness.
	I would say UFC is the place to go.
	It's the best.
	The culture, the personality, it's amazing.
	And they actually, most of the fighters have a really, really, like, really base political takes from COVID to international policy.
	I mean, you've got, like, some of the best fighters in the world that are Chechens or Dagestani.
	So, you know, they're friends with Ramzan Kadyrov.
	What more can you say?
	It's a very interesting sport.
	Jackson, I mean, I got to ask the question because by the framing of this, I am the biggest one of the bunch, but I know that's not the case.
	What are your physical dimensions, if I may ask?
	I'm not that tall.
	I'm not that tall.
	I'm 5 '11".
	You're way taller than Viva.
	Not that tall.
	You're taller than the tallest person in the history of my family.
	5 '11".
	I weigh right now.
	I just finished like a bulking cycle, so I'm probably about like 185.
	And I work out every day, at least once.
	And how much do you think, like, that's the other aspect, is sort of one of the last questions, is I find people who are into independent health, independent nutrition, also as a sign of willingness to challenge, question institutional narratives, willingness to be skeptical of those narratives, willing to live a lifestyle different than what those narratives preach.
	And that, like...
	In your generation, a lot of what's been taught about public health has been wrong.
	It ignored the problem of sugar.
	It highlighted other aspects.
	At different times, it's been male toxicity and all that jazz and downgraded traditional male culture and male values, including physicality, athleticism, success, pretending women can be men, letting men pretend they can be women, all the rest of it.
	How much do you look to independent sources for nutritional and physical information?
	Well, I'll never eat the bugs, but I will say that this is actually interesting.
	In the same way that I had a political evolution that is maybe a bit surprising to a lot of people, I was also a kind of vegetarian for six years.
	My only thing was that I would eat meat if I killed it myself.
	And I had a girlfriend for a while that she had a farm.
	And my sister's fiancé owns a brewery restaurant, so he has animals that we go kill.
	So there's that.
	I did eat meat.
	And then I live on the coast.
	You go spearfishing, you go fishing, whatever.
	But as for the masculine stuff, I'm very toxic.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with being toxic.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with being masculine.
	I think you should obviously respect women.
	Women have the most important role in society bringing life into this world.
	I've got good relationships with all my exes.
	They still love me.
	At the end of the day, for diet, right now, nine days into only eating meat.
	I'm going carnivore diet.
	That's new.
	And I do like those, what are they called?
	Liver King guy.
	He has the Liver King supplements things where you eat the liver.
	Is this the guy eating raw meat in the videos on the commercials that we saw?
	Yes.
	And I do eat the raw meat.
	I do eat the liver.
	But I don't do it a lot because I'll do like two protein shakes a day usually.
	I try to do one cigar for every protein shake I do.
	And I do usually two a day.
	And I will throw in those...
	He has pills now where he'll just dehydrate liver, spleen, kidney, heart from like...
	It's just like New Zealand grass-fed cow.
	And he'll throw it into a pill.
	And I just open those up and I throw them into my protein shakes.
	And it's as simple as that.
	That's extra protein.
	So that's what I eat.
	I just got taken aback when you said, all of your previous girlfriends, you're 22 years old.
	How many girlfriends could you have had, Jackson?
	I'm going to read one chat from the Rumble Rants.
	It's a Rumble Rant.
	It says, when he said Marxist, my first thought was, watch his political evolution will mirror Thomas Sowell's.
	Let's not get hung up on labels, people.
	I think we've heard Jackson express himself and explain himself in detail above and beyond a label.
	And now you can all come to your conclusions.
	I only have one last question.
	What's the best cigar you've had?
	The best cigar I've had was...
	I actually don't know what brand it was, but I went to Beverly Hills Cigar Club, and I had one there.
	It was a Cuban.
	I don't have a Cuban plug here in LA, so it was some sort of a Cuban.
	It was great.
	But when I'm not smoking Cubans, I go to this place down the street, Jackalope.
	That's actually...
	You may know that.
	Bar Jackalope.
	And I smoke strictly Cohibas there.
	I love my Cohibas.
	Makes sense.
	Jackson, where can everyone follow you?
	And what's the best place?
	I know you're on Locals.
	What is your Locals?
	Where can people find you?
	And what should they expect next in the coming days?
	Yes, I'm on Locals.
	You can check me out there and support me there.
	And I'm also on YouTube and Rumble.
	Jackson Hinkle.
	Search it up.
	It's jacksonhinkle.locals.com.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think that's what it is.
	And in the coming days, I don't know.
	In the coming days, I think I'm going to be actually having on the Duran, the guys from the Duran again.
	I'm going to reach out to them.
	Alina Lip, I'm going to be having on very soon.
	And also Glenn Greenwald.
	So you can expect that probably all.
	I don't have exact dates, but probably within the next two weeks or so.
	That will be coming down the pipeline.
	Phenomenal.
	And Jackson, you'll send me all your links one way or another.
	I'm going to pin them in the pinned comments so people can find you.
	Thank you.
	Let's do this again one of these days.
	This has been beautiful.
	I would love to have you guys on my show.
	I have had Mr. Barnes on the show, but I would love to have you on the show as well.
	Anytime.
	I appreciate you looking past my labels and hearing me out, and everyone in the audience as well.
	It's a tool I use to look at the world, and I think we arrive at the same place, so I think that's what counts at the end of the day.
	I'm done with labels.
	They're not just irrelevant.
	They are weaponized by those who would issue them.
	So it's nice.
	Philosophers, we can go there, but the labels have been weaponized, abused, and used to discredit, so we don't have to discuss the ideas in long format.
	I watched that debate with you and Vash.
	We'll talk about it after we end this one.
	Jackson, stick around.
	We'll say our proper goodbyes to everyone in the chat.
	Robert, you're going to be on the Duran tomorrow, are you not?
	Yes, 1 p.m. Eastern time.
	And then Friday is Freeform Friday with Eric Hundley and Mark Robert on talking about whatever conspiracy theory might pop in our heads.
	And maybe we'll talk to Mark Robert about what the heck he was doing on German 60 Minutes 20 years ago.
	Geez, now I got to go Google something.
	All that I know, I got to make sure not to go live at one o 'clock tomorrow.
	I'll be live before or after.
	Not at the same time.
	Jackson, thank you.
	Robert, stick around.
	We'll talk for a bit.
	Everyone in the chat, thank you all.
	You know where to find us and enjoy the night.

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