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Aug. 10, 2022 - Viva & Barnes
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Sidebar with The Blaze's Steve Deace! Viva & Barnes LIVE!
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And I'm a licensed professional counselor and sex therapist in Erie, Pennsylvania.
And today I want to talk about minor attracted persons.
And I want to talk about minor attracted persons because they are probably the most vilified population of folks in our culture.
And most folks are making incorrect assumptions about them without actually knowing much about them.
And those assumptions create harm.
For an already marginalized population.
You may have noticed that I'm using the term minor attracted persons.
Oh, we noticed.
It's abbreviated to maps.
No, we know that.
Instead of the more commonly used term pedophile.
And I'm doing this because the term pedophile has moved from being a diagnostic label to being a judgmental, hurtful insult that we hurl at people.
In order to harm them or slander them.
I also prefer person-first language that recognizes that any label we might apply to a person is only part of who they are.
Okay.
We're going to start this again and we're going to parse through this a little bit.
First of all, whenever you come across videos like this on the interwebs, there could be some context missing.
One does not know necessarily who this individual is.
Is she a reputable...
What did she say she was?
I'm a licensed professional counselor and sex therapist.
A licensed professional counselor and sex therapist who seems to be purporting to have expertise in maps.
Minor attracted persons.
Listen to this.
In Erie, Pennsylvania.
And today I want to talk about...
Minor attracted persons.
And I want to talk about minor attracted persons because they are probably the most vilified population of folks in our culture.
And most folks are making incorrect assumptions about them.
Most folks are making incorrect assumptions about minor attracted persons.
It's not an assumption.
It's in the definition.
That these are individuals who are attracted to minor persons.
Now, I can appreciate there's going to be a semantics debate.
When does one become the big P word?
Is it by virtue of thoughts or by virtue of action?
And I'm going to say this not to compare the gay community to MAPS in spirit or in essence at all.
This is the argument that was once upon a time used.
For homosexuality.
For being gay.
What is being gay?
Is it the thoughts or is it the action?
Now I know from a religious perspective there's a distinction that people draw between the thought and the action.
And they say you may have the thoughts but you're not the thing until you act on it.
And the reason I make the comparison is because we're not far people from having people like this Insist on adding the M to the LGBTQAI plus 2 now for the exact same reasons that gays fought for gay rights.
They said, first of all, it's our decision.
It affects no one but ourselves.
Not exactly the same argument with maps.
But we're entitled to think what we want, and you can't judge us for it, was right when the conduct affected only the person having the thoughts or two consenting adults.
But now the argument is going to be, you can't punish MAPS for what they think, but only if they act on it.
Setting aside all the stats on that, it's going to be a matter of time before there's going to be a push to have M added to the LGBTQAI+.
And I wonder how the communities who fought long and hard for rights which affected them and only them and consenting adults are going to turn off a whole lot of people.
They're marginalized.
Maps are marginalized.
How about people who have fantasies about non-consensual sex?
There's a word for it.
Let's call them raps.
Blank attracted people.
They're marginalized.
People who fantasize about R-A-P-E.
They're marginalized.
No, it's called criminalized because it's criminal activity.
And if someone's marginalized for criminal activity or thoughts of criminal activity or impulsion, compulsion to commit criminal activity, that's not called marginalized.
Marginalized are people with beliefs that affect only themselves that are discriminated against.
Okay.
Intro over.
I think we only have 45 minutes with...
It's Dace, by the way.
I know it.
I've been doing my homework on Steve all day.
And it's been good.
I think this is going to be a spicy sidebar.
Steve Dace got a podcast on The Blaze.
I've been boning up on as much as I can hear today.
And I want to read the book, The Fourth Reich.
We're going to talk about it all.
Steve, get ready.
I'm bringing you in.
Standard disclaimers, everybody.
No legal advice.
Yada, yada, yada.
We don't have the time.
We're doing it.
Steve, sir.
Hey.
How goes the battle?
Bloody.
Just like I like it, brother.
How about you?
Well, good.
I'm telling you, I do my homework, but I typically do it the day of.
I've been listening to as much as I could cram in in a day.
I didn't get to your older books.
But my goodness, I think I'm going to enjoy listening to them on Audible.
I hope they're on Audible.
Steve, Barnes is going to be here in a few minutes.
I know your time is short tonight.
30,000-foot overview as to who you are, how you got to where you are, before we start talking about a little bit more detail of your history, but then coming into the present because you're making waves in the present.
Barnes is here.
I'm going to bring him in right now.
Elevator pitch for those who don't know who you are.
Who are you?
Sure.
I'm a kid born to a 15-year-old mom.
Who got pregnant with me right at the dawn of Roe v.
Wade and seriously pondered about having a safe, legal and rare abortion.
She decided to give birth to me.
And I mean, we were on government cheese, ADC, reduced lunches, WIC, all that stuff.
Government cheese isn't that bad, by the way.
Just want everybody to know the government orange juice sucks.
So never drink that, though.
That's terrible.
OK.
You know, and she ended up marrying my stepdad where I got my last name.
She met him while he was enlisted in the Navy.
And there were times he was a great dad.
There were times he was very abusive.
We moved a lot.
So, you know, growing up in that environment and moving a lot, you learn to get by on not a lot of approval and affirmation for people or from people, I should say, which perfectly prepared me for what I do now, which requires not needing a lot of affirmation from people and not caring about making enemies.
And long story short, I got lucky.
I started off doing sports talk and sports writing here in the local newspaper.
Throughout the course of my career, I got into radio when a local radio owner called me out of the blue and asked me if I wanted a job.
Every job I've ever had in this business, someone called me out of the blue and asked me if I wanted to have a job.
Even national work, I've not applied for any jobs.
They've all just been called out of the blue with people I did not previously known.
I know.
And so from my worldview perspective as a dreaded evangelical, I just kind of view this as kind of a God's plan thing.
And so, you know, I play poker all in every hand, whether we're deuce seven offsuit or a pair of aces.
I'm playing with house money.
My mom should have aborted me 49 years ago now.
And so I don't have much to lose whatsoever.
I just live in Iowa with my wife and kids, pretty simple life.
And, you know, I just I like making demons sweat.
That's what I do.
What was it like the early days of talk radio when you were there?
It was a lot different than what it is right now.
There was, you know, the whole Overton window phrase.
There was kind of this accepted, you know, left to right of center of what the talking points and everything were.
There was still this idea that, you know, 40% of the country were Republicans, 40% were Democrats, and the other 20% were in the middle, you know, the 80s, 90s team GOP model.
And so, you know, your goal was to try to, you know, preach to that 40% that was on the right, while at the same time not alienating that 20% that you were supposed to, you know, help to win over.
When I took over from sports, sports was a blast.
I mean, you could just say and do whatever you wanted.
You could insult people.
No one cared.
No one took it seriously.
But when I took over a news talk, there was still a reasonable expectation that you would be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party.
I think I ended that in about five minutes on my first show.
And I think what helped was being younger.
I just turned 49. When I started in this business, when I got my own show in sports, I was 26 years old.
I got my own show in sports in a top 100 market when I was 26. I got moved to News Talk on a 50,000-watt award-winning radio station in a top 100 market when I was 33. And I think that perspective of not necessarily being tied to a kind of nostalgia about an era that either never really existed or certainly does not now.
I just, you know, I'll give you one example, Robert.
I think you'll appreciate that.
It might be a little insider-ish, but we'll kind of answer your question for you.
WHO is a station that's won all kinds of Marconi Awards.
It's one of the most successful mid-market stations in the country.
Ronald Reagan was our very first sports director, has a huge tradition in the business.
And with Iowa and its agriculture base...
It really didn't have to sell.
I mean, it just had a guaranteed clientele, the port council, the egg council, you know, hey, the ethanol, how much are you buying this year?
You weren't actually selling people, you're just taking orders.
All of a sudden, I come in, and I'm just laying chivalrous, man.
I mean, we're just laying, we're just taking ordinance, okay, and taking names.
And our ratings blew through the roof in Afternoon Drive.
And we were doing like nine or ten shares overall.
And so the ratings were incredible.
But a lot of those, you know, big ad people did not want to buy ads in the show because they were all Team GOP establishment hacks.
And so we actually had to go hire younger salespeople who didn't have any of those previous relationships.
But all they cared was.
And they didn't even like agree with me.
They were like, we don't care, dude.
He's got a 10 share in the afternoon.
Do you want to buy a spot or not?
No, cool.
We're going to the next person.
The paradigm shift of my show forced us to totally change the way we even sold the radio show at that time.
And so I just think being someone who has been, you know, on the younger end of this from the beginning, as I've moved kind of up the ladder and God's opened a lot of doors, it's just I've been involved in a lot of paradigm shifts.
And now I feel like the paradigm has almost caught up to me.
And so now I don't feel I'm nearly as often radicalizing my audience or wondering if I overly, if I've pushed them beyond what I think they're capable of.
I think they've almost caught up now, certainly the events of the other night.
Mar-a-Lago didn't hurt with that effort whatsoever.
The events of the last 28 months of what I call COVID stand has helped with that.
And so I think the audience now has just about caught up.
And along the way, you know, I'm an activist.
I've specifically used my show to win elections from school board to president.
I was a strategist for the Ted Cruz for president campaign.
I've worked on campaigns.
I've done professional polling.
So I've done the nuts and bolts of politics that a lot of guys in our business have not done.
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