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July 27, 2022 - Viva & Barnes
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Sidebar with Dr. Francis Christian - Viva & Barnes LIVE!
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Thank you.
I'm sorry.
Congratulations, you're a little bit.
I love it, you're a little bit.
One of Tamera's biggest supporters, Douglas.
He's been so happy to have you.
Come on, guys!
Thank you, Tamera!
I love you!
I love you!
Incredible!
Incredible!
Thank you, Tamera!
Thank you, Samara!
You're on your own.
Thank you, on our own.
Can I get the chance just for a moment, Tamara?
Tamara has something to say and then she's going to be off.
Morning!
Thank you, darling.
And I'm very happy to be free and out.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
We love you!
We love you!
There she's gone, okay?
There's Joan.
Beautiful.
Go, go, go!
We'll let it we'll let it finish Hey guys I love you Camero.
We love you Camero, we love you Camero.
We love you Camero.
Thank you Camero.
Thank you.
I'm going to bring it back to just my comment on this.
Is this person, the fact that she's a woman has nothing to do with anything except for the fact that Justin Trudeau accuses everyone else for being a misogynist while simultaneously persecuting a Métis woman.
This woman is more courageous than the cowards who are persecuting her and the politicians who are...
Grinning ear to ear while she spends 48 days in jail.
And this is what class and this is what courage looks like.
Now, sometimes you don't have a choice but to be courageous because you have no choice.
The system arrests you, holds you for two and a half weeks on non-violent mischief charges, brings you back a second time to try to get you back in jail, gets you back in jail on a third time, keeps you there for another, what was it, two plus weeks?
That is what courage looks like in the face of cowardice political persecution.
And when the judge referred to Crown Prosecutor Karimji as energetic, in my mind, that's a euphemism for lacking ethics.
And it's a fitting intro for today's stream because maybe, you know, we've had the Alberta Court of Appeals decision come down.
Free the Pavlosky brothers, strike down their contempt convictions, strike down their...
$20,000 in fines and $13,000 in court costs.
We have Tamara Lich being released right now.
And now we have Dr. Francis Christian petitioning the courts to try to get justice in the face of yet further injustice when, I'm not wearing the right shirt, when politics ruins everything.
Medicine, music, science, politics.
It's going to be good.
We've got Dr. Francis Christian on for a second time.
We've got his lawyer, Andre Mamari, and I hope it's probably Mamori.
I'm going to ask him how to pronounce his last name.
And we've got Robert Barnes.
So I'm going to bring in the Brady Bunch of Squares in no particular order.
In a second, I almost forgot.
Thank you for the super chats.
This is in reference to a comment I made a few minutes ago that I once ran over a roadrunner while driving through Death Valley with my wife, and I once ran over a rabbit.
But we just drove from Austin, Texas to Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Because my daughter wanted to see all of the scenes, the locations for Breaking Bad, and what a day, and what a TikTok video she's going to make with it.
Superchats, YouTube takes 30%.
If you don't like that, if you don't like that, we're on Rumble as well.
And we're going to be taking a portion of this exclusively to Rumble after we talk about Dr. Francis Christian's lawsuit.
We're going to take questions from the chats that I don't think we can ask or answer on YouTube.
Without the doctors at YouTube, Telling us that what the doctor is telling us is medical misinformation.
So we'll get there.
Skylar was not working the register.
Mila, Mila, may I have the bag of...
Hold on.
I'll show you just one thing that we got.
One thing.
We're going to see what happens when we try to fly back with this.
It's candy, people.
From the candy lady that looks like Walter White's crystal meth.
No, no, no, no.
And we got some other goodies.
Okay.
Okay, let's bring in the Brady Bunch.
They're going to have the lawyers.
Lawyer, doctor.
Hold on.
We're going to do it this way.
Yes, this is going to work.
Gentlemen, can we just do a quick mic check so that everyone can be heard?
Francis, starting with you.
Oh, hi.
Viva, Andre, Robert.
Good to see you again, Robert.
And it's a privilege to be here.
Thank you for that opening piece on Tamara.
That is the best news of a long time.
Tamara has truly become a Gandian figure for the movement.
Absolutely.
Maître Mamari.
First of all, how do we pronounce your last name?
It's Mamari, and good to be with you and everybody else.
Looking forward to this.
All right.
And Robert, how are you doing?
Good, good.
You following the Jones trial today?
Bits and pieces.
Bits and pieces.
The insanity continues.
All right.
Now, I'm going to check.
Everyone says audio is good.
Audio good.
Great audio.
Good.
So I guess we're going to start with Dr. Francis Christian.
It's his second time on the channel, so some of you may have already seen that first sidebar.
You may already know some of the stuff that we're going to go over, but before we just get into any of it, Dr. Francis Christian, 30,000-foot overview.
Who are you?
Credentials.
Before we get into Andre, who is he?
Credentials.
And then we're going to get into the discussion.
Thank you.
As you said, my name is Francis Christian.
I'm a surgeon and I just retired on the 1st of March this year as professor of surgery after more than 30 years of being a surgeon.
I hold fellowships from both the College of Surgeons in Edinburgh and the College of Surgeons of Canada.
In a lot of cases in this crazy pandemic that we've been in, people say, oh, you have to go into your lane of specialty.
Although my pediatric colleagues have often told me that, you know, I don't really know.
I just do what the public health guys tell me to do.
So I want to inform the audience that I have expertise in data analysis, evidence-based medicine, ethics, professionalism, quality, and patient safety.
I've regularly published in peer-reviewed journals, given numerous presentations at Grand Rounds.
I've taught medical students and residents in data analysis, evidence-based medicine, and the scientific critique of articles in medical journals.
And as Director of Patient Safety and Quality in the Department of Surgery in Saskatchewan, A post from which I was fired, when I was director, I introduced and implemented what is called the National Surgical Quality Improvement Program.
And that's a very data-intensive program.
I also, together with the computer science department of the university, conceptualized and developed the morbidity and mortality app for iPhone and Android for the secure recording and transmitting of patient-related data.
This app, ironically, is now being used throughout the province of Saskatchewan.
Now, regarding my expertise in ethics and professionalism, I am the lead author of the official statement on professionalism of the Canadian Association of General Surgeons, or CAGS.
I also founded the Department of Surgical Humanities in the University of Saskatchewan and was co-founder and editor of the Journal of the Surgical Humanities.
Now, I think your viewers will agree that I'm qualified to comment on data and on ethics.
I think they will agree.
We're going to get to know Andre throughout the stream, but Andre, let the crowd know who you are.
Sure.
Well, I'm a lawyer here in the province of Saskatchewan.
I was called to the bar in Manitoba.
I graduated from law school ten years ago.
Prior to that, I hold a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology.
In the ten years of practice, I've appeared in every level of court other than the Supreme Court.
I joined the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms last year.
I'm involved in a number of very high-profile cases across Canada.
Yesterday I appeared in Ontario for the Ontario Vaccine Passport Challenge, which is one of the most historic cases in Canadian history.
I'm excited to be on the right side of history.
We're fighting very hard in maintaining the charter rights of Canadians from coast to coast.
And we want to maintain public confidence in the judicial system and have these cases be heard so that...
The Charter can save the day.
So I'm excited to be here with you.
I'm very excited to be counsel for Dr. Francis Christian.
He's been a very courageous physician in our community.
He's one of the early folks who stood up on very basic ethical principles of medicine.
And we're looking forward to this case.
We're looking forward to what will be revealed in this case and to have justice served.
Andre, can you summarize what the case is?
Certainly.
So I think it would be good to have a bit of a factual background.
And Francis, feel free to jump in whenever, if you want to color this.
Essentially, Dr. Christian, last year in June, had appeared at a press conference.
He had a prepared statement.
He had some facts that he was speaking to.
It was a press conference that he held with two other physicians, and he essentially laid the framework for the basic medical ethical principles of informed consent, as well as the precautionary principle of medicine.
This came at a time when the province had indicated that it was essentially approving vaccination for children.
And this spurred Dr. Francis Christian to speak on the issue of informed consent.
And he was essentially speaking to what the benefits of the vaccine may be, what the harms may be, and what alternatives may exist, and these sorts of things.
These are very commonly known and long-held principles of medicine.
And after doing so, he was essentially reprimanded.
He was reprimanded by the college for which he held a position.
He was also reprimanded by the Saskatchewan Health Authority, which is the authority, essentially the authority that administers medicine in the province of Saskatchewan for the Ministry of Health.
And there was an audio recording in which he was lambasted by a number of folks in the community that were in administrative roles.
And he was suspended in his role from the college.
He was no longer permitted to teach his students.
He was no longer permitted to act as the coordinator for patient safety in the surgical field.
And simultaneously and interestingly enough, he was also terminated concurrently.
From the Saskatchewan Health Authority in a position that he held for a number of years.
I believe by that point it was nearly two decades.
And essentially, Dr. Francis Christian, over this course of a long period of providing excellent care for his patients, and as you heard from him being a...
Trailblazer in providing new and strategic technological advancements in his respective field, despite having a very successful period of time with providing and administering medicine, which, by the way, there's an issue in Saskatchewan and many other provinces with respect to waiting times for surgical care.
In the context of this, Dr. Francis Christian was terminated.
He had a contract with them, but the basis by which he was terminated, although he wasn't provided reasons, was quite obvious.
And so he's suspended from the college.
He's terminated from the Saskatchewan Health Authority.
That was the injury.
Now, it didn't stop there for Dr. Francis Christian.
They added insult to injury when they went publicly.
They went on media and defamed him as being dangerous.
And I quote, "They specifically used the word 'dangerous' to define a long-standing physician in the community speaking on the very basic principles of medical ethics." And so they add insult to injury.
They defame him.
And interestingly enough, we're seeing a case out of Texas that has come forward.
Maybe Robert Barnes could comment on that if he's aware of it.
It's a new case.
I just became aware of it today.
A physician out of Houston has sued the Methodist Hospital for $25 million as a result of the Methodist Hospital.
Calling this, essentially publicly defaming this physician as being dangerous for prescribing ivermectin and also opining in her respective field with respect to her view of, I think she had treated 4,000 or 2,000 patients for COVID-19 very successfully.
And so she essentially was defamed.
And she launched a somewhat similar lawsuit, though in a different jurisdiction, of course, in the United States with respect to being defamed as being a dangerous physician.
And as she rightfully points out in her case, being a physician and being labeled as dangerous is essentially a death blow to your career.
It's a death blow to your reputation.
It leaves you in a position where, I mean...
Mitigating your circumstances by looking for other work is nearly impossible.
When you're a physician for that length of time, and then you're defined as being dangerous, it's certainly a very detrimental insult to injury that occurred.
So Dr. Christian, a year later, has commenced a statement of claim against the Saskatchewan Health Authority.
With respect to the basis by which they had terminated him.
And of course, the Saskatchewan Health Authority is government and administers from the government health care.
And so it owes charter protections.
And Dr. Francis Christian has charter rights.
He has the right of freedom of expression, belief, thought, opinion and a right of conscience.
And so the basis by which he was terminated was a clear violation of his charter protections.
He's also suing the Saskatchewan Health Authority for defaming him publicly.
And he's also suing the College of Medicine, who, by the way, the College of Medicine had investigated the statements made by Dr. Francis Christian as to their own internal investigation to determine whether he engaged in any conduct that was unbecoming of a physician or...
Or conduct that would be contrary to the policies in his respective profession.
And they concluded that he had not.
They concluded that he, in fact, had every right to speak out.
And, in fact, our position is not only did he have a right to do so, he had an obligation.
This is a physician that has been involved in patient safety for a very long time.
And he's been exemplary in terms of being a trailblazer for patient safety.
Andre, if I can just ask one question to Francis.
I know the answer because I asked you last time.
But Francis, you're not just a published author and an accomplished doctor and a well-respected member of the medical community.
Prior to your termination or non-renewal of a contract, and maybe Andre will clarify later.
Had you ever been sanctioned, disciplined, reprimanded, or had any negative encounter with any employer, any institution with which you were associated?
Never.
In fact, I had, you know, my contract has periodic, you know, they have to, Evaluate my performance.
And I had very high performance reviews.
My boss even said to me, if I could give you a bonus, I would.
So, you know, so no, I've never had any negative review.
Never.
And Dr. Christian, could you explain for the audience what informed consent means in the medical community and what the principle is about do no harm first?
And how those principles play in this context?
Right.
So thank you for asking that question, Robert, because we now have what I would call a medical emergency in our kids, and that is protecting them from an injection they don't need and which can be quite dangerous to them.
So thank you for that question, because informed consent is so basic to our discussion.
What is informed consent?
It's a time-honored principle.
It's not something we invented after I started training to be a surgeon.
It's something that's been there for several generations.
The philosopher, medical people have spoken about it.
It's been embedded into the history of medicine.
So, informed consent is essentially where...
Before you administer any injection, treatment, anything, the patient has to give consent based on an understanding.
Now, it's not enough, mind you, it's not enough for them to be given a piece of paper.
I'm familiar with what is called the Montgomery decision in England, where the judge said it's not enough just to give them a piece of paper.
They actually have to understand what's written in it, and you have to make sure that they understand.
So the patient or the person receiving the injection must know the risk or the risks of the injection, the benefits or lack thereof, and whether there are any alternatives.
So in this case, with COVID, for the children, my press conference, and in the press conference, I made very clear.
That I wasn't speaking on behalf of the college or public health or the Saskatchewan Health Authority.
I was speaking as a physician and a father to parents and the children.
So, let's talk about, if you want me to, I can go through each of that.
Risk, benefit, alternatives.
Now, if you talk about the risk, I have to say...
It's been appalling.
The risks have not been explained to virtually anybody.
Also, what about those who are already immune?
Now, in various countries, it's been shown that children, between 50% and 80% or 90% of kids have already had COVID.
So these kids, if they get a vaccine, what is that additional risk?
So that's part of the risk too.
And now with the Omicron strain, part of the risk discussion is that, hey, this vaccine is for the Wuhan strain of the original vaccine of 2020.
It does not prevent transmission.
It does not prevent infection.
It may make you sick and may kill you.
And I mean, I'm speaking in lay language, but this is the truth.
Some people have died after getting the vaccine.
In children, there is this thing called myocarditis.
But remember, myocarditis is only one of several.
There is a slew of side effects from this vaccine.
Just look up any database.
Look up the WHO database.
Well, you know what, and Dr. Francis, not to interrupt you, I want to just bring one thing up so that anybody who dares say that you now are spreading disinformation or medical misinformation, I'll just pull up Dr. Kieran Moore and we'll just listen to him for five, what is it, 30 seconds.
Listen to Dr. Kieran Moore.
Instead of saying it's a personal decision.
So that nobody can accuse you of anything.
What's the risk?
There's always a risk to having any therapeutic versus a benefit.
You want to make sure there's a very strong benefit versus the risk.
For an 18-year-old healthy individual, the risk of getting hospitalized, if we have no medical illness, is very, very low.
We know there is a risk, a very small risk, one in 5,000 that may get myocarditis, for example.
We can end it there.
So that no one dares say, Dr. Francis Christian, you're an extremist spreading misinformation.
That's Ontario's chief medical officer.
I just Googled it a few seconds ago.
I see the news now is trying to cover up for him and say, oh, he was overstating it.
So now getting back, Dr. Christian.
To the small risk of myocarditis, pericarditis, and other issues.
I'm glad you brought that up because he says one in 5,000.
Some other studies say one in 2,500, one in 2,000.
I got to tell you, this is only cases that are detected.
Now, I know people who, young people, you know, I'll give you an example.
I know an engineer who is in his 20s.
He said after his second dose, he had chest pain.
For about four weeks, he was a marathon runner.
He could run only about 100 meters, and then he could only walk.
He didn't go to the hospital.
So that's a myocarditis case, but that wasn't detected.
Silent myocarditis.
So just a detected myocarditis, one in 5,000.
Now, it doesn't seem like a lot, but if you're vaccinating millions of kids, that means thousands of cases of myocarditis.
And then we were told that, hey...
COVID itself can give you myocarditis.
The infection can give you myocarditis.
Now, what does the data tell us?
So there is a very large Israeli study, okay?
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