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May 4, 2022 - Viva & Barnes
01:33:00
AMBER HEARD TESTIFYING! Viva Frei LIVE!
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All right.
Thank you.
Please be seated.
Your next question.
Thank you, Your Honor.
Amber, I'm going to take you up to March of 2013.
Can you describe your relationship with Mr. Depp during that month?
And we'll start there.
I remember that was after a period of really...
It was after a period of some peace and sobriety.
Johnny was sober, drinking Bex.
And my dad, who was struggling with alcohol and drug addiction at the time, had fallen off the wagon.
Are we live people?
I want to send a picture to your dad of support.
And I'm drinking.
Ooh, yeah.
My sister was upset with my dad.
People, I'm going to be talking a lot during this.
So if anybody wants quiet commentary just to watch the trial, Alita or Rakeda, there we'll be talking.
I said, let's take a picture.
I don't drink spirits, but I know...
How is the audio level between me and Amber Heard?
We're live?
Where's Tiffany Dover?
That's Gonzalo Lira's intro.
Sounds foolish now, but I held up this kind of glass with him and we sent the picture to my dad because I didn't know what else to do.
She is too loud?
That's a first.
Okay, hold on.
More money.
Dude, if I were doing this for the money, I would have been doing this day in and day out for the last two weeks.
Audio is great.
Okay, good.
I'm going to do a poll here.
Who believes her?
Who is convinced by her testimony thus far?
Set up a poll.
Set up a poll.
Pulling me in by my arm, still shouting about the accusations.
I'm trying to diffuse the situation by trying to tell him I'm not sleeping with this person and I'm not sleeping with that person.
She sounds different than she did before the break.
She looks a little angrier now than she did before the break.
You all know that I'm not convinced.
I think I've come in with too much bias.
But everything that she's testifying, it really feels like she's describing in herself, in her treatment of Johnny.
That was one day he was convinced that that was proof I was sleeping with her or having an affair with her.
I didn't really love him.
And all the while, I'm madly in love with him and trying to convince him.
So Marge...
Emphasis, actress emphasis, or acting emphasis.
Never ending fight?
What kept me in it is because I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, you know, the sobriety shoe, if you will.
I kept waiting for him to get to the point where it's not supportable anymore and he's...
She's constantly referencing his alcoholism, which flaw it may be.
Pure joy.
Sounds like a crutch in the testimony to blame everything, not on necessarily bad conduct, but on his flawed character.
So let me start with the painting incident.
Please tell the jury what happened on that particular incident with the painting.
As I mentioned...
The paintings which have been hanging there for months.
One day he kind of stayed up doing cocaine, just drinking, doing cocaine music, which is not in and of itself that weird in my relationship with Johnny at this point.
You know, like he stays up and keeps weird hours and smokes and stuff.
But he was drinking brown liquor and doing a lot of cocaine.
And it became clear to me in that Drinking brown liquor and doing a lot of cocaine.
An offense?
that he could not forgive me for.
It meant I was having an affair with my ex-partner.
An offense?
A minority split.
With whom I had already split, and it made no sense to me.
So I'm trying to kind of quell the accusations by saying, you know, it's been there, and what are you talking about?
And it's like, that doesn't mean anything.
And, you know, he was demanding I take it down.
He eventually takes it down and tries to burn it, but it was unsuccessful.
How did he try to burn it?
This would be in Cross, but how did he try to burn it?
How do you try to burn a painting and fail?
One of those normal, what do you call them, Bic lighters.
He wasn't very successful at doing it while drinking.
To the extent he was.
But I remember it was this kind of ridiculous fight.
Like, didn't feel like it needed to be an argument, but it seemed like nothing I could do.
Okay, good.
I'll take it.
I tried leaving.
I just, I don't have the love for this trial that is out there, but I want to see.
She's going to break down in cross-examination.
And by the way, I didn't take it personally before, so thank you for clarifying.
So this morning in particular, I think it was the 22nd of March.
Has there been testimony that Johnny's been anything but a gentleman with all of his entourage?
But in this particular one, he had something to go to filming with Keith Richards.
Her testimony now is out of character for everything that we've seen.
Admittedly, it's been one-sided.
Before you go into that part, let's pull up...
Defendant's Exhibit 161, which is already admitted into evidence, I believe, Your Honor.
There is a Depp countersuit.
She's suing for $100 million.
Thank you.
Depp's suing her for $50 million.
She's suing her for $100.
I know a lot about the case, not anywhere near as much as Alita.
I'm going to show you Defendant's Exhibit 161.
Why is she obsessed with shoes?
She's obsessed by her testimony with all things material.
...text exchange between you...
And Mr. Depp.
Do you see that?
I do.
Okay.
And the first one is from Mr. Depp.
She looks like she's making it up on the spot.
Yeah, got to throw on cocaine and brown liquor.
What's brown liquor?
Is it to Mr. Depp from you or it's vice versa?
It's Johnny texting me.
Just thought you should know there exists a book titled Disco Bloodbath.
And then you say we need that book.
And you say, is this about last Friday night by any chance?
I'm curious about this context.
How can you make me smile about such a hideous moment?
And I'm not going to repeat the rest of it.
Why not?
It sounds like it's more amorous terms than angry ones.
I don't know the tone of this.
Was this supposed to be amorous or was it supposed to be angry?
Incidents in March.
I believe this one happened in the Eastern Columbia building, which is one of Johnny's penthouses.
They're in downtown, so a different part of Los Angeles.
And we'd sometimes go there.
I remember he was accusing me again of sleeping with Johnny was definitely polished acting when he testified as well.
But the facts of the testimony just sounded like they were a little more coherent and made sense.
And then he was accusing me of sleeping with my friend in Spain.
And I remember nothing I could do.
He, like, called...
Oh, sounded...
Yeah, sounded like Johnny got involved in the love-hate relationship that he had with his mother.
He didn't speak English, so he was really confused as to what...
Mythomania.
He was being yelled at by Johnny.
What's mythomania?
But I remember those were the accusations.
That was the fight.
But it was one to the next accusation.
One to the next accusation.
But where have we heard that before?
That's exactly what the expert Curry said about her.
Mythomania, an abnormal or pathological tendency to exaggerate or tell lies.
I love it.
And, you know, it was...
You know, he wears a lot of rings.
I remember kind of just feeling like my lip went into my teeth and it got a little blood on the wall.
How did the blood get from your face?
This is not to undermine anything, but for blood to get from a face to a wall, that's not a little cut.
It's hard as it is to explain this.
No tears.
I was so caught up in the relationship and also very occupied in defending what I only could assume he believed, these accusations, that I didn't internalize.
I didn't make that big of a deal of it.
I kind of pride myself on being tough and I don't make a big deal out of You know, smaller injuries.
And I know that sounds horrible because it's hard maybe to understand.
It sounds, if I'm being very cynical, she's trying to build up her own stoicism here through her own testimony.
You know, minimize it.
Make sure no one, make sure you know that I'm tough and can't knock me down and make a joke of it, clearly.
It's really amazing.
This is like the epitome of the he said, she said.
I'm going to, Michelle, if you can take this one down and bring up 170A.
Did there come a time in March, Amber, where you sent a picture to your mom?
Yes, this is...
Okay, so that was my question, is if she has sustained those injuries, she undoubtedly took a picture.
2013, I just...
I sent it to her because I had been texting about some of the craziness, and I...
Objection hearsay?
That's not going to stand.
That's the question.
I'll sustain as to what she may have texted.
All right, next question.
Without saying what you said in the text, explain why you were sending it to your mom.
I was reaching out.
I was very lonely in what I was living in.
I wanted help.
I wanted advice.
Help.
Is there a picture?
I just wanted to talk to somebody and figure out how I could make this stop.
And is this a picture that you took of yourself in March of 2013?
Your Honor, I'm going to move the admission of Defendants Exhibit 178.
There's no question people in this chat are not going to be...
Convinced by her testimony.
But she was testifying about the injury to her lip, and now she's showing this picture.
How did you sustain that bruise?
I had thrown a...
Johnny slapped me.
I walked away from him, and that made it worse.
We got into a shouting match.
And he kind of did this thing with his body where I could tell he was going to hit me again.
I picked up like a...
I remember it kind of like a little, not a pot, but like a vase.
Did you throw it?
And I remember I got away from him enough as he reels back.
Threw it in his direction.
Oh, so remember the tweet I put up describing herself escalating throwing glass, which she accused Johnny of?
And he kind of just held me on the floor screaming at me.
I don't know how many times he hit me in the face, but I remember being on the floor of my apartment and I'm just...
I remember thinking...
How can this happen to me again?
Meanwhile, this is not to be an a-hole about any of this.
The image that she's submitting as evidence now, allegedly in this incident where he hit her repeatedly in the face, face is absolutely intact from the image, and she's got a bruise on her arm.
And if we can, and just for...
If true, it's awful.
If fabricated, it's awful.
This is a text message exchange.
Show the picture again, because her face was immaculate in that picture.
And this was in the context of the testimony about having gotten struck in the lip so hard that blood got its way onto the wall.
Let's wait until we get to the spot.
Does anyone want me to scroll back to get to that image, or did we see it?
We all saw it.
Is this the picture that you sent to your mom on 2020, 2013?
Show us the picture again, please.
Show us the picture.
Yes, it is.
Your Honor, I'm going to move the admission of 170 just that picture that's on the text.
Just the...
Well, it says from two weeks ago on it.
Someone just said the details in her story.
Are very credible.
Well, I'm not sure if this is a sarcastic or not.
I don't find the details credible at all.
Can we admit it then?
She got hit in the face by Johnny and blood ended up on the wall.
And there's no picture of that.
And what she's testifying here is that he held her down and struck her face repeatedly.
And the picture is a bruise on her arm and her face is immaculate in the picture.
I mean, there will be a cross-examination and if I'm a mean...
Cross-examining attorney, these are the questions I'm going to ask.
And it's always easy in chief principle.
Bruises are very deceiving.
Oh, by the way, bruises take some time to also get there.
So maybe this, when was this picture taken in relation to the incident?
I worked with a girl who had an iron deficiency because she would barely, she would bump her arm and it would bruise really bad.
True.
And also the bruises change in color over time.
So, you know, if that's purported to be contemporaneous to the fight itself, what happened?
What happened?
If that's purported to be contemporaneous to the fight itself, you know, you don't get a deep greenish purple bruise immediately.
It takes a couple of days.
But it's interesting.
I mean, look, I can't hide the fact that I've...
I haven't taken sides because I started off not thinking Johnny was going to do well in this.
Your mom?
She doesn't even mention his rings.
Well, she mentioned them, but rings would also leave cuts.
The bruise.
Just a bruise.
There's no injury there.
Did you have any other altercations in March 2013?
And this is an oldish bruise by the looks of it.
We had a couple of these fights in Orange that were around this time, one of which I started to tell you.
I agree with Bubba Cushington.
She would have taken pictures of her face if there were actually.
She took a picture of the bruise.
Why wouldn't she take a picture of our other injuries?
Sorry, Orange was my apartment that I kept in Los Angeles at the time.
And it was an apartment.
What type of an apartment?
I rented the top of a duplex.
So it was a house.
Nice bass underdog.
I rented the top floor.
Thank you.
Now, please continue with the painting.
I'm sorry.
It seemed like nothing I could say to Johnny would convince him.
He wanted me to remove the painting.
Seems like nothing she could tell Johnny would convince him.
And this is exactly what Johnny described of her behavior.
And I didn't want to admit to it because it's not true.
So I held out.
And he just drank more and did more cocaine.
And I woke up the next morning.
I think it was on the 22nd or the 23rd.
Just throw in those details.
That requires some elaborating.
He just did more cocaine and more drinking?
I realized that I wasn't going to be able to talk our situation down.
I wasn't going to be able to talk him out of it.
And he was just so convinced that I was fighting with him or the reason that he wouldn't leave the house.
And he had something to go film that was important.
And there were important people waiting for him.
And I remember...
People were reaching out.
His assistants, his manager, sister, you know, everyone was...
90 milligrams of caffeine in this.
I kept feeling embarrassed and unable to move this person.
I don't give a damn about the nonsense, no nonsense.
I just want to see Amber Heard testify.
I've made predictions.
She's going to cry and she's going to lash out in cross-examination.
Plus, this is really the only testimony that interests me in the trial.
And me pointing out that the cocaine wasn't making his situation any better made me the bad cop.
Then I'm the nag.
So, eventually I called my sister.
He had kind of a buddy-buddy relationship with her.
She's angry that Johnny has a buddy-buddy relationship with her sister, got along with her dad, got along with her mom.
She's angry that Johnny seems to get along better with everybody than her.
Just getting out of the house.
Yeah, there will be no cross today.
There is definitely not going to be enough time.
I remember his assistants trying to get him out.
Eventually, in the evening, I think early evening, he finally...
Agrees to leave, but I can't tell our relationship status.
I can't tell if he still is convinced of these things or if he's just going to sleep it off and it's going to go back to normal, sobriety, sorry kind of phase.
And he was still upset, but seemingly calming down.
I agreed to go with him.
He wanted me to go.
Dude, yeah.
If you're not interested in this, and don't worry, I'm not turning the channel into this for the next weeks, but I want to see Amber Heard testify.
I kind of reluctantly agreed, but didn't want to set anything off.
I didn't want to engage anymore.
I didn't want to do anything.
Didn't want to set anything off?
Antagonizing him or engaging more.
So I went with him.
We grabbed the dogs.
We get in the car.
We're on the way there.
We're headed up Sweetshurst Street.
It's a major street that leads up to Johnny's houses.
He effectively owns the end of the street.
It's like a cul-de-sac.
A major street that leads into a cul-de-sac?
She's suffering from what I think is Jussie Smollett offering too many details.
He's constantly smoking, and at some point he starts howling out of the window and then grabs...
Two small dogs.
Well, one was Johnny's dog and one was my dog, but he grabs, if I remember correctly, Boo, his dog, slightly chunkier teacup Yorkie.
These details, the cutesy details.
Teacup Yorkie and holds Boo out of the window of the moving car.
Who's driving the car when this happens?
He's howling.
Taking my shoes off.
An animal.
Well, holding the dog out of the window.
And everyone in the car, I'll never forget it, everyone just froze.
No one did anything.
And I, too, was, like, torn as to what I should do because I didn't want to do anything to cause him to react, drop the dog.
You know, it was just this eerie moment where he's howling.
And holding this animal outside of the car window.
Cross will create 9,000 emotions.
More than that weird memory, I have a memory of everyone just kind of not really reacting to him.
Possibly because if you're driving on a cul-de-sac, not going particularly fast, maybe it's not the smartest thing to do, but it's not the end of the world.
Dogs stick their head out of car windows when you're driving.
This is a non-issue.
Because it was probably a non-event.
Just one that you can say in testimony now that might have happened that might make Johnny look weird.
They're going down a dead-end street.
I'm sure they're tearing it.
Some people drive with their dogs in the back of a pickup truck on the highway.
This is stupid testimony.
Objection, hearsay.
Sustained.
Just don't tell us what somebody else said, just what you observed.
I understood everyone was stressed.
They seemed stressed to me about the tardiness.
Where is he?
Let's get him there, you know, so we get him there.
Did the dog cross state lines?
We get in.
I mean, we walk into this house where everyone was waiting for him.
Did she just move on from the dog story?
Is that it for the dog story?
That's the damning testimony of what a bad person Johnny is.
He held his Yorkie, his chubby Yorkie out of a window as they're driving down a dead-end street of the street that he owns.
I'm a dog owner and a dog lover.
That doesn't strike me as anything.
It's not quite as bad as Michael Jackson holding his baby over the balcony.
Hey everyone, let's hit the like button to show our support for Viva and influence that algorithm.
So yeah, this was...
I had my appointment.
This might be your 167A, but it's an evidence that's a plaintiff's number.
And then someone's like, Viva, she's on the stand.
I was like, crap, I'm getting home.
I don't need it in twice, so...
I would agree.
Probably never have.
Someone says it probably never happened.
Where is it?
Hey, dude, it might have happened.
Dogs stick their heads out the window.
When Winston's on my lap, he puts his head out the window.
I don't hold him out the window.
It's a different version.
Same photograph, but a little different.
It's not the same photograph.
Then we'll go with it.
What number is it?
She's at least a narcissist, if not a psychopath.
Darvo is her M.O. Please tell the jury what it is.
I think she was embarrassed by him.
It's a picture I took of my breakfast table that morning.
Your Honor, I'm going to move the admission of Defendant's Exhibit 167A.
By the way, Elaine, the lawyer, sounds exactly like the lawyer in Liar Liar.
Jim Carrey's adversary, when that lawyer, the red-headed lawyer who was adverse to Jim Carrey in Liar Liar, she took a picture for breakfast.
Let's see what she eats for breakfast.
Heard seems to think that if she testifies in a breathy voice that it will help her credibility.
It's her facial movements.
All of these facial gesticulations, which I think are just totally unnatural, but not like the result of trauma.
But I don't believe that she's telling the truth.
May we publish that?
Thank you.
And that's after having heard evidence, not before.
Okay, what are we looking at here?
Is that a mega pint of beer for breakfast?
Remember, you said that you took this that morning.
Is that correct?
People...
What's on that mug?
Can anyone identify what's on that mug?
The boxes that has the property with the skull bones property of JD?
Cocaine.
That's Johnny's drug box.
I've seen it used for pills, but at the time it was bags of coke.
Like dime bags of coke.
Okay.
And what are these white lines on the table to the left of that box?
That is cocaine.
Oh, go back to the picture.
Go back to the picture.
I didn't see that.
I didn't notice that.
Do you know what is in these two glasses that have kind of a gold-colored liquor?
Yes.
Oh, that loaded question.
Gold-colored liquor?
It's confusing.
They're different liquids.
The one in the back in the larger glass is, I believe, at the time I was doing these tabs, or Barocca, that's what they're called.
They're on little tablets.
Anyway, I remember at the time that that's what I was putting in my water because I had just come back from France.
These cute little details like this is the sign of deceit, not a sign of honesty, in my humble opinion.
I don't know what it's called, but we kept it in the freezer.
And also notice how she's infatuated with materiality.
At that time, March 2013, I hadn't...
Everything is about travel, glamour, material objects.
You know, hard line.
I won't even keep that.
You know, in my freezer sort of attitude or posture with him.
I wasn't that bold at the time.
You know, I didn't like it, but I didn't have that strength.
I kind of, at that time, I think was doing things like trying to pour it out when I could.
So what is the bag, the brown bag on the left side?
What is that?
That's a...
It'd be very funny if that is actually not cocaine, but like someone playing with sugar that's spilt on the table for breakfast.
I'm saying that...
Things like that.
Above it, there appears to be a CD of some sort, DVD something.
Do you recognize that?
Yes, it's the single, I believe is what it's called, the single he was making at the time.
I think that's the song that they were filming a video for, if I'm correct.
Okay.
All right.
Now, did you end up sending a copy of this picture to Rocky Pennington that day?
I did.
I sent it to my best friend at the time and, you know, I was like, look at my morning.
Objection.
Hearsay.
Okay.
You can't say what you said, but you sent it to your friend, correct?
Why can't she say what she said?
She's the one who said it.
Cappy.
Why can't she say what she said to her friend?
Is that the email in which you sent this picture to Rocky Pennington on 22?
Accuse your adversaries of doing what you are doing so as to create confusion.
The picture with the redaction of the message on it, with the top, with identifier redactions, and we take out the rest of it.
I'd like to ask an American lawyer why she cannot testify to what she texted her friend.
That, in Canadian life, I think would be admissible, but what do I know?
I'm going to go let the folks in law and crime watching know that we're live.
Can I do a super chat?
Oh, that would be funny.
All right.
subscriber-only mode?
That means I have to subscribe to them?
And they republish, please.
Ugh.
Thank you.
Go let the folks in law and crime chat know that we're live here.
The email that you sent to Rocky with this picture.
Yes.
Oh, they blacked out?
Okay, whatever.
Oh, it says...
Now I'm going to take you to...
What's the date of that picture?
2013.
Okay.
Let's go to...
Hicksville.
Let's tell a jury about Hicksville.
May 2013.
This is supposed to be the strongest evidence that she can adduce to make her case.
Thus far we have allegations that she was bleeding from the lip with no images but a picture of a bruise.
A story about Johnny Depp with a dog out of a window on a dead-end street of the street that he owns.
And a picture of three lines of what could be sugar but might very well be cocaine.
We made a plan to go there with friends and we were going to do Laffy, as we said, laffy drugs, like mushrooms, eat mushrooms, sit by a campfire.
There's really not a whole lot else to do out there.
It's like a getaway.
We made this plan, and it was going fine.
It was like a, you know, kind of like a party out in the desert with a few friends and campfire and music.
I don't know who brought, somebody brought MDMA, was being passed around and somebody who took it kind of was starting to feel the effects of it, I guess is the best way to describe.
She kind of reacted in this way where when the MDMA hit her, she kind of, you know, we were sitting around a campfire, all of us, and she kind of just leaned into me and put her, you know, head on my shoulder.
And kind of grab my arm.
I took it, you know, to be the effects of the drug.
And...
I'm going to go spend some money on law and crime and see if this works.
I think I had eaten a mushroom cap.
Oh, she thinks she might have eaten a mushroom cap.
She's not sure.
She's not sure.
I was not feeling anything at the time.
I often forget when I eat mushroom caps.
Unless I do it every day, in which case...
It changed pretty dramatically.
Before I really felt anything of the effects of that.
But that was the environment we were in.
And as soon as she kind of did this thing where she leaned into me, Johnny gets really...
He's activated.
He gets really upset.
Well, at first, she thought he was kidding, too.
She thought he was kind of making a joke.
I think we all did.
Everyone kind of responded at first, you know, like it was a joke.
But he was like, hey, man, what are you doing?
You know, what do you think you're doing?
And she kind of giggled and kind of leaned into me more.
And I knew in my body just instantly that it wasn't a joke.
But she didn't.
So she's kind of still attached to my arm when he says it again to her louder.
He says, hey man, you think you're touching my fucking girl?
You think you're touching my fucking girl?
That's my fucking girl.
And he gets louder and louder.
You say that in a joking voice?
Did this thing half understanding what was going on.
I think she kind of started to cry at this point.
But she kind of threw up her hands and Johnny grabbed her wrist.
I kind of twisted it and pulled her into him and said, do you know how many pounds of pressure it takes to break a human wrist?
Huh?
And he kind of held her and she just looked frozen.
And she's crying and she was just denying, understanding what was going on.
I stepped in.
Take Johnny's arm around, take Johnny's hand.
We start communicating.
I don't remember if he immediately was accusing me or if it was sometime after.
I wish I remembered.
But we agreed that we'd go and talk about it in the trailer.
So we walked to the trailer.
And when we're in the trailer, Johnny, by the time we get into the trailer, Johnny tells me that I had been instigating the, like, you know, and asking for this and that I had invited it and that I'm just saying.
I'm flabbergasted by the lack of actual meaningful details in any of these incidents.
And this is in testifying in chief.
This is where you want to get into the details that a cross won't let you get into.
They can control it.
He's accusing me of lying about it and that I, you know, that I had something with her.
I'm trying to diffuse that.
I'm trying to calm him down.
And he just turned all that, it seemed like he turned all that rage onto the trailer itself.
And he just started smashing things.
He picked up something on the table and threw it right into the glass cabinet.
He hit with his hand.
A wall sconce.
He cleared the tabletop on the little fold down.
And yet, even if this all occurred, he didn't strike anybody there.
Dining room area in this trailer.
I mean, it's a trailer.
There's only so much you can do.
And he's screaming at me.
Well, it's a trailer.
Those things cost like a half a million bucks, depending on the one you get.
You can do a lot.
I eventually go back into the back.
Exactly.
She took pictures of her bruise.
Does she have any pictures of this?
There probably will be a picture of this.
Why keep talking to the jurors?
I suspect that's what her new PR team told her to do.
It sounded like nonsense.
Let your hair down, talk to the jurors, and make it feel like you're connecting with them personally.
Total manipulation.
Because it wasn't making sense anymore.
It wasn't like a direct accusation.
He wasn't hearing me when I was saying.
I wasn't involved.
I wasn't cheating on him.
I wasn't secretly trying to engage this woman in some sort of sexual affair.
And then it became clear to me he was looking for something.
He cleared things off the bed.
I went into the bathroom.
Cleared things off the bed?
What would have been on the bed?
He asked me where it is.
And how long I've been hiding it.
I was like, what are you talking about?
You know what I'm fucking talking about.
Be honest with me.
Where are you hiding it?
And he kind of like makes to look into the bathroom.
And I gestured to the bathroom, which was to my right.
I kind of like gestured to him and I said...
What am I, where am I going to, what am I hiding and where am I going to hide it?
And we're sitting in this little hallway area outside of the bathroom and he starts, you know, what feels like patting me down or saying he's patting me down, I can't recall, but he ripped my dress, the strap top part of my dress.
I had just dyed this thing myself, pink, and it's just one of those things I...
I was like, you know, that's my...
I just finished that dress.
And he's grabbing my breasts.
He's touching my thighs.
What the heck is she describing even trying to piece this together?
What's the sequence here?
And then...
If you picture all this happening the way she's describing it, he's throwing things, breaking things, tearing her dress, grabbing her breasts, her thighs.
Proceeds to do a cavity search.
He said he was looking for his drugs, his cocaine, his coke.
I was wondering how somebody who didn't do cocaine and was against it, that was in and of itself causing problems in our relationship.
A cavity search.
Why would I hide his drugs like he was insinuating that I was doing it or something?
It made no sense.
He was telling me we're going to conduct a cavity search, shall we?
She does this scowl with her face, like this, which I...
There, right there.
And I think that that's...
I think that that's...
Judging by the baseline of what we can think we've seen about her, that...
Just stood there staring at the stupid light.
You know, I didn't know what to do.
I just stood there while he did that.
He twisted his fingers around.
I didn't see, like, stop or anything.
I just...
So the next morning, So the next morning, I'm sorry, can you not stop where that was?
Are we to believe that Johnny performed a cavity search looking for his drugs on Amber Heard?
No pictures of this and no report of this instance?
I remember thinking that Johnny would change his mind.
Just moving on.
I'm sorry, were you not just at the most important part of testimony that is...
Yeah, I thought it was...
I'm sorry, chat, by the way.
Indifferently, I kind of...
Is she suggesting that Johnny Depp did a cavity search of her to look for his drugs?
I don't know how I slept.
I don't know how we woke up.
I don't remember having a conversation with him the next day.
I don't remember talking to him about it or confronting him about it.
I remember wanting it to be okay.
I remember just wanting whatever fucking weird trip, excuse me, whatever trip that was to end.
You know, just to be over.
Why did she just actually...
That was curious.
Why did she...
Weird trip and then she...
Go back to normal.
Apologize for it.
I remember my friends were out by the pool.
There was a pool in the center of the trailer park and I remember putting on my...
Again, this is not to take sides.
That testimony...
It seems implausible for anyone who's had their cavity searched.
And I remember seeing my friends by the pool thinking they were just having a great time and no one knew what was...
You know, I felt so lonely.
Like, no one knows what's...
Everyone's just having a good time.
You know, like normal stuff.
So I just smiled and made a joke about how trash the trailer got and we had to get the manager.
I thought she said weird.
I thought she apologized for weird.
He started off furious that Johnny had wrecked the thing.
And then he had this black mesh tank top not tank top, it was like a meshy kind of shirt on.
And I remember he came into the trailer and looked around and was like, whoa, what happened here?
Do we have any pictures of this?
And I remember watching this man be so charmed.
It was kind of a surreal experience.
You know, it just went away.
You know, that just got fixed.
We walked out of the trailer at some point.
Interesting.
Cavity search was, BS was in the news eight hours ago.
Because I had, we'd never heard of the cavity search before.
We actually went to another location after that.
I haven't been following this the way others have, but let me just go see something here.
I'm going to ask you to take a look.
Michelle, can you bring up defendants and clear about 176?
How do I see when the first time two days ago...
No, did cavity searches five hours ago.
Very interesting.
Yeah, from People magazine.
Johnny Depp did cavity search on Amber Heard.
And it seems that this cavity search aspect accusation of the abuse has not been reported until today.
May 2013.
Did there come a time that you wrote...
An email.
Objection, leading, and hearsay, Your Honor.
May we approach?
All right.
Well, leading, I can understand, but hearsay, I don't understand this under U.S. law.
If she wrote the email, it's not hearsay.
Amber sure has a great memory for minute details like tank top versus shirt.
For someone whose defense just yesterday leaned hard into the notion that she has memory issues as a result of her trauma.
By the way, if anybody can determine this more definitively than me, is the first time that this cavity accusation has come up now and the first time it's been in the news within the last 24 hours?
I mean, I've been following it.
I've never heard that, but I haven't been following it all.
I didn't know what that was.
Very funny avatar.
Top dog, I'll take it.
Okay.
Well, it's amazing, even when she's crying, I don't see a tear, but you can't really, I mean, you can't really...
In June 2013, how were you feeling about your relationship with Mr. Depp?
Unbelievable how they just, they skip over what would otherwise be the most damning piece of evidence that she could ever hope to induce in her case.
A cavity search?
Violently looking in her body for his drugs that he thinks she hid.
So torn.
But what happened the next morning?
I was so in love with this person.
I think she was in love with the lifestyle and the goods, not the person.
You've never felt love like that.
At least that's how it felt.
So much.
That scowl again.
It's not authentic.
I felt like he recognized me and I recognized him and there was just something.
There that...
That he's the love of my life.
I'll see if Spidey or the behavior panel see the same thing.
It's that...
And he was.
That grimace, which is not...
He was.
But he was also this other thing.
He was another thing that seems like nobody else...
He was also this other thing.
And that other thing was awful.
awful thing that would come out and yeah, take over and it was you couldn't see the Johnny I love underneath it.
It was this other thing.
And no one told him no one was honest with him.
No one.
You see, there you have her now.
She's angry at him.
I cleaned up after him.
I cleaned up after him.
Anger.
She's angry at him.
I mean, this man lost control of his bowels and I cleaned up after him.
His security cleaned up after him.
Changed his pants in front of me.
He would pass out in his own sleep.
She just said that she changed his pants.
Who did it?
He'd walk around saying he didn't have a problem.
Until he did.
Until he couldn't support it anymore, and he'd get clean, and he'd get sober, and then he was this thing again.
This thing that made me feel so loved, that made me feel like...
She's not telling the truth now.
Sorry.
Like, my...
Like, my soulmate is cheesy as that sound.
I just felt like he knew me.
And I recognized something in him, either some part of my makeup or my background or something that I just got it.
And I loved him and understood him.
It just got so scary, the other part of him.
No, I don't think so.
In June, I wanted to leave him.
I wanted to...
I didn't want to leave him.
I wanted him to get better.
And he expressed to me so many times when he was in that period of getting clean and sober, he would tell me, you saved my life.
Baby girl, you saved my life.
Everyone else was saying that to me, and I believed it.
You know, if everyone else was saying it, he was saying it, I thought.
Just like his other friends who had gotten clean and sober and stayed that way.
His older friends, these rock stars that he hung out with that had gotten clean and sober and they had 20, 30 years.
I'm just going to go to the news.
The way she's making Johnny Depp sound like he was a bumbling, out-of-control drug addict.
I believed it.
Soiling his pants.
I looked at that man twice my age.
The only poop coming up under the Google search was Amber's poop.
And I saw hope and like promise I had so much hope.
You know, the whole thing.
Who drafted this?
Which would save his life.
Which would be to get clean and sober.
And I believed it.
And I wrote this letter to myself, among many letters to myself.
All she did was refer to that she wrote it.
She isn't saying what she said.
I'm going to have to ask.
What she wrote to herself could be hearsay.
It's worth what it's worth.
I don't see how it's hearsay.
She's going to get ripped apart on cross.
He would later thank me for...
As he did, as he used to thank me all the time for saving his life.
I missed S. Brown's cheat.
It says, so far nothing she says justifies pooping on the bed.
Sorry, poo is next level.
Did I miss that chat?
I'm sorry.
This will be memes.
And memed and memery of epic proportions.
I finally met them in the summer of 2013.
I had been with Johnny for over a year, maybe like a year and a half at this point, is my best guess.
And I was dying to meet them, you know, dying to get to know these kids.
I felt like I knew them already.
I had his daughters, and actually, and Jack's, both his kids'art on my phrase, That's what a good person.
She's a perpetual victim.
He's a perpetual victimizer.
He poops his pants.
He holds dogs out windows.
There we go.
I finally got to meet them at the Lone Ranger premiere at Disneyland.
Yeah, summer 2013.
So then I'm going to jump to, and it's not much of a jump, June 26, 2013.
Who's that?
There's a plane ride to Russia with Johnny.
Do you recall that?
Yes.
Tell the jury about that.
You probably don't want to be here for this, though.
Well, that was the first and last time I ever decided it would be a...
A kid popped into the room.
I'm going to explain what we're watching.
Now he's leaving because it's testimony.
I didn't do me with him on the plane, which was as stupid as it may sound.
I just had never...
I was very against...
Obviously, the cocaine had been a problem.
I was very much against him using cocaine.
But she does mushrooms.
She's against him drinking and doing cocaine, but she does mushrooms.
Son, you're going to have to leave the room now.
I'm 26, maybe, ish.
It's amazing.
Someone says she's making it up as she goes along.
Hold on, where is that?
I had done MMA before.
I thought it's a lovey drug.
I never knew anyone to make it up as she goes along.
It's amazingly bad, given that she's had so long to prepare for this testimony.
I thought, well, this is a relatively contained environment.
Maybe this will be different.
Maybe I can be a good cop and be part of the, you know, like I don't have to be the lesbian counselor all the time, as you would say.
You know, I can maybe be the fun girlfriend.
And I learned the hard way that that was not happening.
What happened?
Well, we took...
Dude, this is not going to get any more.
I took a capsule.
It's like a powder in a capsule.
I took a capsule and Johnny took several.
I didn't count, but...
Did she just say...
She's now saying that she's taking drugs.
Can you imagine?
I don't know much about addiction, but I do know that if you're in a relationship and you want your partner to stop doing drugs, you don't do drugs yourself.
Johnny, you stop doing the drugs while I...
Pop, ecstasy and mushrooms.
Until the flight attendant got involved.
The flight attendant came by, was engaging with us.
A capsule of what?
I don't think that they're really...
It felt like it was before the effects of the drug took over.
So it was relatively soon after we first took our dose.
If you can say.
After we took our dose, and this is the witness who's purporting to try to get Johnny off.
My goodness.
Close the door.
Close the door.
And within, you know, a few minutes go by.
Oh yeah, it was 850 Canadian a bottle.
That happened on the mushrooms at Hicksville with the woman, Kelly Sue, who I've told you about.
Flight attendant got friendly with me, but just friendly, just like MDMA friendly, you know, was kind of, I'm a woman, he's a man, so she was naturally, I think, more comfortable with me physically.
This testimony is not going to go the way I think Amber Heard thinks it's going to go.
I mean, after all, she's on drugs, and Johnny...
She grabs her hand and tells her not to touch me.
And she kind of reacts in a way, like, you know, defending herself and trying to clarify.
And he grabbed her by the wrist.
Oh, again.
Asked her how many pounds of pressure.
And told her he could break her wrist.
I believe she just made that up.
I believe that that never happened.
Just throw in that little detail.
A pattern that would repeat itself a few times.
These things would happen in these kind of cycles where there would be a certain element that would get filtered for a while, whether it's an accusation or a gesture, and that would be the thing that he looped on.
I called it looped.
Loops.
Oh, I have no doubt she called it loops because she knows damn well that that's what she was doing.
She cries instantly, denies it, is so apologetic.
Eventually, he lets go.
She goes to the front of the plane where the flight attendant, you know, normally hangs out, and the doors closed, and I don't see her much of that whole flight.
We land in Russia, and I don't really remember, you know, any...
I don't recall any violence on the plane between Johnny and I, but I remember feeling this tension because I was wondering when it was going to...
Aim at me.
Could be you were feeling tension because you just did drugs while getting on an airplane where you're going to be encapsulated for a long period of time.
My gosh.
So I was feeling nervous, anxious, and I remember we had a very quiet ride, at least I didn't say anything, ride to the hotel.
And almost as soon as we get into the hotel room...
Is she saying he twisted the wrist of a flight attendant?
I mean, these are not things that go unnoticed as they occur.
...engaged that, caused that.
I, of course, deny it, point out what I thought was obvious.
She'd better have some of these witnesses on her list.
You know, it wasn't an affair.
And I'm trying to argue and defend myself at the same time.
At one point, Johnny just shoves me.
Like, I mean, just shoves me hard.
And I fall back onto this glass table.
Where are we now?
Are we in the hotel?
Are we in the airplane still?
I don't know how.
Some furniture got knocked around.
Sorry, it's not funny.
But it's kind of funny.
I'm trying to stand up for myself.
I'm trying to stand up.
Literally, I'm not.
You know, at this point, I don't even try to hit back or try to run.
I'm in this hotel room trying to do my best to fight mostly the verbal accusations, but also I try to stay on my feet, you know?
At some point, Johnny whacks me in the face, and I don't even...
I don't remember feeling pain or, like, awareness of my nose or anything.
I just...
I don't remember thinking that.
I remember crying and feeling...
I went into the bathroom and I wanted him to have a...
I just remember wanting him to realize what had happened.
I wanted him to kind of snap out of it.
I wanted him to care.
I wanted him to realize what was going on because a big part of this, I felt like he wasn't aware.
There was a sense that he didn't know what was going on.
You know...
Again, I don't know how much the drugs or alcohol is a part of this, but I remember crying.
I came out at some point because I don't hear him in that room.
I remember we had been arguing in the main room, but I went out to the hallway, which is where I presume he walked out.
Still at the airport lounge.
Bodyguard Jerry Judge was in the hall.
And I don't recall seeing Johnny in the hallway, but I remember seeing Jerry Judge who gestured to my nose.
She's just saying gesture.
He hasn't said anything yet.
Oh, that's a bad defense.
That's going to be sustained.
He gestures to my nose and holds out his handkerchief, like a cloth handkerchief.
And I instantly felt really embarrassed.
That's batshit crazy.
I felt ashamed.
I don't know how else to describe it.
I just felt really embarrassing.
And I went inside the room.
Any picture of this?
I had a little blood coming out of my nose.
I didn't know it.
I didn't feel it at the time until Jerry gave me the...
Jerry let me know.
Okay, will do, Joe.
Although I might do something exclusive on Rumble for this.
I have an idea that I'm...
Pitching to the Rumble, folks.
As embarrassing as it is, I remember just wanting Johnny to say sorry.
I wanted him to realize it's so stupid, but the emotional part, I just wanted him to acknowledge that he could hurt me.
That he could hurt me.
I wanted it to be okay.
I didn't want him to think I was interested in this flight attendant.
I didn't want him to think that I was capable of cheating on him.
I was in love with him.
I wanted, you know, I just wanted things to be okay.
Yeah.
Let's take you to July 9, 2013.
I wonder if the blood, no, I wonder if the blood coming out of her nose might have been from what she might have been doing.
It's funny to say, I was in a yacht with Johnny and his kids.
Victims do say we, I felt a shame or embarrassed, but.
We flew out to the Bahamas to his island.
He was selling the yacht to J.K. Rowling, and he wanted to kind of have a goodbye trip on the yacht.
So it was docked off the island, and I went with him and his kids, who I quickly developed a bond with and loved.
And we brought a friend along with us, I think, to kind of help.
Okay.
Tell the jury what happened on that trip.
Johnny was upset that he had to sell the boat.
And he was off the wagon again.
But he didn't want to tell his kids.
Heart tackle.
Thank you.
I'm going to go look.
I've been going to the post office every day to see if it's there.
Coffee cups.
Thank you.
And drinking and the behavior.
He was upset.
He was emotional.
You know, that's how he dealt with it, just drink.
But there's just no off button with Johnny.
It's unbelievable.
Nobody else has testified to all of this, what would be clearly visible, clearly destructive behavior.
And she started to get panicky and started to ask me questions about his drinking.
Objection, hearsay.
Without saying what Lily Rose was saying, please continue on.
There must be some unique rule about the hearsay laws where this trial is.
You can't say what Lily Rose said.
But you can tell gestures, you can tell, and you can say what you and Mr. Depp said.
Okay.
Sorry.
So she was upset and Johnny kind of, we were with the kids and he kind of threw himself off the boat in a half playful way.
Like a dead, like dead fish kind of way.
I don't know how to describe it.
Almost like a belly flop, but we were on a skip, like a smaller boat parked next to the yacht and he's jumping.
Well, he jumped off the front of it, but kind of in a, This is supposed to be the easiest layup of evidence proving Johnny Depp's violence and abuse towards her and all that they have are a bunch of...
unrelated convoluted stories and one photograph of a bruise jumping off the yacht into the water and then he at one point kind of throws himself over and it looked a little scary um the way his body fell into the water and lily rose um started to cry and expressed to me that she Objection hearsay.
Objection hearsay.
You can't say what she said.
You can say, you can tell everybody.
Objection, testifying for the witness.
So Lily Rose is crying, and the crying becomes like a panic, almost like a panic attack, like rapid breathing, crying, lots of questions.
And I'm holding her, kind of comforting her, and Johnny comes in.
And within a few seconds, I realize that he, you know, kind of shifted his attention on me, and then he seemed very angry.
This is discombobulated.
From a crying kid because she didn't like the way he flopped into the water?
I don't know what's going on.
He looks at me, leaves crying, and Johnny...
I don't remember the words he used, but starts accusing me of telling on him and calling him a drunk in front of his kids.
I hadn't done that.
I was actually trying to protect Johnny.
It didn't feel like my place at all to share that with...
His daughter or anyone at the time other than adults who might help with it, but not his kids.
So I was trying to tell him, I was trying to comfort her.
I was trying to protect you.
He basically was accusing me of doing this thing and of making them aware that he was drinking again.
And he slams me up against the sidewall.
We were in the bedroom this whole time but up against the wall of the cabin and slams me up by my neck and holds me there for a second and tells me that he could fucking kill me.
That was an embarrassment.
So she's basically, she said he's been on benders, crapping his pants on drugs, but now he's worried people are going to know that he's back to drinking.
Her testimony, within its own testimony, doesn't make sense.
Someone says, how can you just sit there and listen to this?
He has to.
Very much in love with this whole family now.
And he's saying I'm embarrassing to him.
And that somehow stuck in me more than the, I could fucking kill you.
It just sounded like hyperbole.
It sounded like something he was just saying.
But the names that he was calling me were kind of just pushing me up against the wall by my neck.
I wonder what the jury is thinking about this.
When I saw Lily Rose again, we get...
I won't say what she told me, but the next thing we do is we call for...
Because Johnny's daughter says nothing of all this, all new stuff again.
She's making this up again.
Nothing has been said about this before.
I thought I would have heard about this.
Go to the landing of a part of the island, or maybe it was a different island we had to get to to leave.
She really loves those islands.
I'm holding Lily Rose in my, literally holding her under my arm while she's crying and we're lifting off and Jack ended up not crying.
Is she still crying about the belly flop into the water?
I tell you, man, this doesn't make sense.
I don't know.
I had done something wrong, you know?
The kid is still crying in the airplane because of the belly flop into the water that scared her?
This story doesn't make sense within its own structure.
I remember not being, you know, I'm getting all these text messages from him calling me all these names and...
Show the text messages?
Barely.
And I'm holding his daughter crying.
He's texting you while you're on the...
Michelle, can you pick, pull up...
Nope.
This doesn't make sense.
J-Mill, how you doing?
My God, I love that fish.
Do you believe that's already in evidence?
It is already in evidence.
Unless they've had experience with an abusive person, some of the jury may actually buy what she's saying.
I don't know if they have to have an experience with an abusive person.
I think they have to have an experience with a liar to just not believe this.
The story doesn't make sense within its own four corners.
Text messages from Mr. Depp to you.
Rears, ah, tears, ah, beers, cheers, sapphires, beers, cheers.
Are these the text messages?
Yes.
That's what he was sending me while I was.
Taking care of his daughter.
I can go all night, man.
Eat salad with your equine ad bovine yurps.
And thanks for the support.
Have a great shoot.
You sicken me.
Leave me F&B, Officer Squarehead.
Your display of guilt and match...
Oh, come on.
Your future is on display.
Best if luck.
I do that type of all the time.
I can't, you know.
Thanks for the tunes.
Don't call again.
I will begin.
To feel embarrassed for you.
Go away, coach.
Done.
Hup.
Done.
Oh, that's bizarre.
Are we going to have an admission that this is July 9th?
You're about to go into another event.
Should I keep going?
That's fine if you think this is a good point to break for the day.
Why did it say Steve on the talk?
Ladies and gentlemen, we'll go ahead and conclude for today.
Again, do not read anything about this case.
Do not do any outside research and don't discuss it with anybody, okay?
Have a good evening.
We'll see you in the morning, okay?
Thank you.
Okay, so I'm doing this tomorrow as well, so I'm going to have to time this with With Eric Duhem.
Maybe we'll do a lunch break with Eric, and then I'll just do this before and after.
Do we go all, you know, psychoanalysis?
And again, ma 'am, since you're still in the stand, you cannot discuss your testimony with anybody to include your attorneys, okay?
All right.
I guess it's the same rule.
The witness is under oath.
And she's in the middle of testimony.
She cannot even discuss.
Her testimony with her own attorneys because they can't try to, oh, you really screwed up here.
You got to make your story make more sense.
Lawyers can't help her.
She can't discuss her testimony now while she's under oath.
When it's over, they can let her know she blew it.
Okay, so that's that for today.
It goes tomorrow and I do believe it's not, there's no trial Friday and from what I understand, there's no trial next week.
So my goodness, she's going to have a big problem if she's going to be Under oath and unable to discuss her testimony with her lawyers for a week and a half.
Johnny Depp, let's see what his body language looks like.
Okay.
It looks like he can't believe the manure that came out of there.
She's a mythomaniac.
She's a maniac, maniac, a mythomaniac for sure.
Okay, I'm going to take the screen out.
Oh, wait, I got to close it down so I don't continue to hear it.
I don't think we're going to see anything more there.
Hold on, people.
Okay, so that's interesting.
It's fun.
This is...
Do we care about any of this?
Well, I'm going to put it on mute so that when it comes back...
What's going on here?
I wait down.
Wait down.
How do I...
What's going on?
I can't see the...
Okay, I'm just going to close it down.
Put it on pause.
Okay.
That's the beginning of it.
The thing is this.
When you're in Chief, it's the easiest time to make the evidence.
It literally is like playing basketball with nobody there to slap the ball out of your hands.
That's when you want to be making the layups and the slam dunks.
And if this is the best of her testimony, it's terrible.
Riva, I normally agree with you, but not this time.
Okay, Luna, let me know what you disagree with this time.
And that's it.
Not that majority rules or majority determines what's right or wrong.
And I know it's probably going to change depending on the silo.
But it does not seem like a lot of people in this chat are believing, oh, I got to go see what the...
Let's go to the poll.
No, it's not that.
Let's go to the poll and just see what the sentiment in that poll is.
Who's buying her testimony and who's not?
3,000 votes.
Let's end the poll.
Seems that the vast majority of people are not buying the testimony.
73% say no.
I'm starting at the beginning as I just tuned in.
She sounds exactly like one of my exes.
I'm sure she sounds like a lot of people's exes.
But this is Amber's testimony and her practical jokes have a lot in common.
I believe that is relating to the poop.
It's supposed to be lay-up slam dunks.
You're supposed to have your story impeccably stitched together to go to the best of it because nobody is cross-examining you on it just yet.
It comes, but when you're laying it out the way you want to, uninterrupted but for objections, it's supposed to go very, very well.
It's like bouncing from one...
I will say blurry.
One hazy story to a next.
This is in the context of a defamation case based on the fact that a certain op-ed that Amber Heard wrote accused a man who could be identified as Johnny Depp of domestic violence.
And she's had...
I don't know.
She's been on for, what, two hours?
Maybe that?
Two and a half?
Well, say two hours practically because they broke.
And there has not...
The one...
And most concrete piece of evidence that she has adduced thus far didn't even make sense within the framework of its own story.
And that's not to say it didn't happen.
It's just that we're looking at it analytically.
She says, he held me down and hit my face repeatedly, struck me in the face repeatedly.
And this was in the context of apparently having been hit in the face where blood was on the wall.
You know, not just like it was the blood on my lip, like Nelson out of The Simpsons.
You made me bleed my own blood.
No.
This was such a cut or such a strike that blood went on the wall.
And then in the context of that testimony, talking about how he held her down and struck her face repeatedly, and the only image, the only one picture that she snapped, face is impeccable, a bruise on her arm, which looks to be a relatively older bruise, and then jump onto the next story.
That's...
True or not, even if her story is true, that is bad evidence, and that is poorly adduced evidence, and that's bad testimony.
Oh, and then we get into the story about Johnny Depp holding a fat little Yorkie outside out of a window when they're driving down a dead-end street, and everyone was shocked and nobody said anything, and she's crying for this dog, and then on to the next story?
I mean, if that's the best of the evidence, and it's not going to get better for her.
We'll see what comes tomorrow.
And, you know, hold on.
While we're here, I'm going to go to Twitter because it's like listening to her testify.
You know that I don't believe that she's being honest at this point.
And that's not a question of bias because I did believe that Johnny was going to look a lot worse in this trial than he currently does, although she's not finished with her evidence.
But let me just share this.
Okay, share.
Just a part of her testimony earlier when I was listening while driving, and then I popped on with Joe Nierman.
By the way, I was going to restream Nierman.
Good logic.
Restreaming Rakeda stream.
But I didn't want to.
I decided against it at the end of the day because I don't want to talk over Joe talking over Nick commenting on the trial.
That might be funny for like five seconds and then get real old real fast.
Here, listen to this.
This is testimony from earlier.
Did my best to screen grab it at the time.
Mute.
And that, calling me a whore.
It didn't start with using the whore word.
It was just comments until it would escalate.
See, I buy that he called her that.
And then I started to notice the pattern of escalation where he'd throw glass or turn over a table.
Then he would hit the wall, and then he'd hit the wall really close to my head.
This is the crappy acting award.
There's a little nugget of truth in every lie, right?
Everything she describes.
Calling me a horror.
Calling me a name.
It didn't start with using the horror word.
It didn't start with the bad names.
It escalated.
Until it would escalate.
I buy that he called her that.
Escalate.
I started to notice the pattern of escalation.
Pattern of escalation.
Throw a glass.
Throw a glass.
I mean, from the...
From the evidence that we've heard, which admittedly is Johnny Depp's evidence in his chief, Dr. Curry talking about her, you know, Jackhammer style, her escalation through the name-calling.
From the testimony that we've heard, thus far only one person has been known to throw things, and Johnny Depp, unless he cut his finger off another way, we're going to hear what her response to that is, unless he lost the tip of his finger another way, seems to be her, the one that's throwing things.
She's writing and reciting a script for her next Netflix flop.
Fiona Lulu, Hussie McCarthy.
But I mean, I listened to that.
I listened to that testimony.
And I mean, it's like, accuse your adversaries of doing what you're doing.
Confession through projection.
Seeing in others what you feel in yourself.
Escalation.
It never starts with the names.
It just escalates to there.
And it gets to someone throwing a glass.
I mean, that's...
Well, this...
Dude, I saw the first half, so now I have to read this because this makes me feel good.
Viva, you quickly became one of my favorite live streamers.
You talk quickly but not fast, detailed but concise, open to new ideas, information, and all with a friendly demeanor.
Let me screen grab that.
That will make me feel better.
The days when I wonder, what the hell am I doing with my life?
I'm joking.
But yeah, it's...
I listen to her testimony and I hear her describing herself.
And certainly the problem is this.
That might be my own projection, my own bias.
But we've heard the evidence.
And what we've heard from the evidence, right now we hear Amber Heard literally describing herself.
Oh, hold on.
No, what did the person say?
Yeah, you just described our government.
There's no question about it.
It's not an accident that when Justin Trudeau looks out and calls people...
Racist, xenophobes, misogynists, divisive.
It's not an accident that he's seeing in others what he either knows implicitly to be true of himself or he's just launching the accusations for political distraction.
It's an amazing thing.
Pay attention to it.
When you notice there's a lot of bad drivers on the street in the morning, I will guarantee you that it's because you're in a bad mood.
Because when you're in a good mood...
You forgive people for their mistakes, but when you're in a bad mood, you see it everywhere.
When you suffer from the very same problems now that you're observing in everybody else, I mean, you can either do it consciously or unconsciously.
Is anything else happening with the trial?
Did I...
Is this me?
Amber Heard testifies.
No, this is my answer.
That's not going to be any news.
Yeah, so it is.
That is...
I'm glad she started today, but my goodness, if there is in fact no trial next week, she's not going to be done tomorrow, there's no question.
Because even if she were done testifying now, if I'm Johnny Depp's side, I have more than five effective hours of cross for her.
Especially if she's testifying on things that she didn't testify on before in her deposition, and which by all accounts seems to be news even in the context of this trial.
What was it?
What was it that we said?
Oh, geez.
I'm totally seeing now.
What was it that she just brought up for the first time?
What is it that she brought up for the first time, guys, that I had to Google?
The wrist?
Oh, the cavity search.
The cavity search.
LAPD leaked body cam that disproves supposed attack by Johnny Depp.
I'd like to see that.
That is John Belushi.
Awesome.
Yeah, the cavity search.
I mean, that's...
You raised...
It slipped my mind.
It slipped my mind in the context of depositions, accusations, the wrist snapping.
And the crazy thing is, like, she's admitting to being on drugs.
And I'm saying this with no judgment to people who are into that, you know, extracurricular activity.
She's admitting that all of her perception of the threat, of the...
All of her perception is when she's under the influence of capsules and whatever else she's doing.
Can't remember this, can't remember that, but my, you know.
So that's it.
So far we've gotten the crying.
We just haven't gotten the explosive rage, which I'm predicting and I've predicted we're going to see him cross.
Viva?
Yeah.
TMZ reported on the cavity search 23 hours ago according to Google.
Yeah.
That's a bizarre...
PR team fired on Monday.
New allegations of the most...
What's the word?
Lascivious?
Is that the word I'm looking for?
Not lascivious.
I don't think that's the word.
Hold on.
I don't even know how you spell it.
Lascivious?
Lascivious.
A person or manner of feeling or revealing an overt and often offensive sexual desire.
So that's not the right word.
The most egregious.
I mean, a forced cavity search to look for his drugs is not something that comes out for the first time 23 hours ago, 24 hours after change of PR firm.
Just not.
Yeah, I think Insidious might be more apropos.
So, yeah, and that was another thing.
Why was Steve's name on the phone for those text messages?
I did see that too, Peakmaster.
If anyone saw that rambling tirade, it was under Steve.
Not under Johnny.
I don't know what his name is, but I presume if Johnny Depp had not actually...
It's interesting.
They've got to prove it came from him.
I presume if it didn't come from him, there would have been an objection.
Salacious.
Yes, that's the word.
Salacious details.
Much like the pee-pee on the pillow of the Russian thingy thing.
By the way, people, I forgot to mention it.
No sidebar tonight.
Scheduling conflict where there was an issue with...
I'm not saying this to blame or anything.
Timing worked out quite well.
Darren Beat is going to be on tomorrow night, 7 o 'clock.
So tomorrow night, I might be on the internet all day.
Viva, just popping in.
How did you endure that nonsense?
I want to see how it goes down.
It's an amazing thing when you blow your own chief witness, chief examination.
You're missing layups.
And that's very, very, very bad because her stories are going to come apart in cross-examination.
I don't even need to know what happened.
I would be able to tear those stories apart in cross-examination.
Throughout most of the, quote, events, she describes, she is under the influence of illegal substances which impair perception.
She claimed to be struck and felt no pain, almost as if she hallucinated.
But then she said, I got struck, felt no pain.
There was another part of that testimony which almost led you to believe she wasn't even sure what had happened.
Steve is his nickname for her.
She will be torn apart and crossed.
We've awakened and we are everywhere.
Reading your avatar.
So, and it is also boring in Chief because no one tears into the, you don't get to tear into the witness until it's crossed.
And now Johnny Depp has to sit there during the Chief, listen to her, say whatever the heck she wants, uninterrupted except for objections for hearsay, which everything seems to be hearsay in Virginia.
But, well, sounds like BPD.
And now she's offering all of this testimony in the shadow, in the wake.
In the days following, an expert, you know, you may or may not agree with that expert, Dr. Curry, having diagnosed her as having BPD, borderline personality disorder, after being mandated by the court to determine the levels of her PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder,
determined in evaluating her that lo and behold, nobody has 19 on 20 of the indications for PTSD, even the most PTSD individuals on earth who have like, you know, According to the doctor, I think it was like 5 to 7, 5 to 8. She said she had 19 of 20, which that type of lying and manipulation is more akin to BPD than PTSD...
All right, we can read this one.
I've stopped going to the dentist for fear of cavity search.
512.
So that's it.
It was interesting.
There was not going to be fireworks in chief, period.
It's going to be fireworks in Cross, and then it's going to be rehabilitation in redirect.
What's it called?
I don't know what it is in the States.
But when they re-examine or they...
Tabarnouche.
Redirect in Quebec.
Is it redirect in the States?
When they're going to have her, her attorneys get to rectify, remedy, re-examine her after Cross to fix up, you know...
To clarify some of the stuff that lacked clarity.
It is redirect.
Okay, cool.
The no tears means a lot.
I'm not sure.
Because you see people who discuss traumatic events and they just don't have any tears left.
And you know that...
I mean, I've had personal experiences where you just...
There's no tears left.
But you know for a fact that they've gone through it.
So I'm not sure about that.
But it just didn't look...
It did not look authentic.
Nothing about that looked authentic.
And that grimace, that grimace, if I've learned anything from the behavior panel, it's an indication that she is, in fact, angry.
But I'm not sure that she's, you know, I'm not sure that the anger is at...
See, the thing is, I think the anger is at Johnny.
I think she genuinely, like, she's angry with him.
She's angry at him.
But I think her anger at him is going to actually explain her...
Her behavior towards him and not that she's angry at him because of his behavior towards her.
So that's it.
What else do we got?
Let's see what we got.
So tomorrow, I'm going to do this tomorrow.
I guess it starts at 9.30 or whenever.
Whenever it starts, I'm going to have time tonight to set up the links and give proper warning.
And tomorrow, tomorrow, I'm going to have Eric do him at some point.
Maybe we do the lunchtime interview.
It'll be amazing.
It'll probably be like, it'll be great exposure.
But maybe not to potential voters in Quebec, because I think a lot of people...
There are a lot of people from Quebec watching, but this is by no means going to be a pure Quebec audience.
About six hours and 15 minutes into the expert testimony, she mentions a cavity search.
Yeah, that's...
But they're going to run...
The anti-Johnny are going to run with the headline.
The anti-Amber presumably are going to pick up on that.
And they should.
Let's see who's sending me an Instagram message.
Heard Team Forensic PSY said it's PTSD and also mentioned cavity search this morning.
I understand it.
If I understand it correctly, it's not conceivable that this particular incident, which would have been one of the most egregious examples of abuse, only comes up for the first time within the last 24 hours.
No tears is one thing she was trying to cry.
No disassemble.
That's from number five is alive.
Short circuit.
No disassemble.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Ooh, the lighting just changed.
Did I just go freezing?
Yeah, my camera's freezing.
I don't know if it's freezing for you guys.
Watching that whole testimony was hard to connect.
Felt like she was trying to force emotions and embellish her stories.
And as we know, if that is what your gut is telling you, it's usually right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that's it.
If your PR team drives your case, you might as well let the flight attendants land the aircraft.
I think that undermines...
I think flight attendants could probably land the aircraft.
But it does...
It does show you that this is being driven by...
Look, call me old-fashioned.
I don't think you really need PR firms when your case is legit.
I think you do fight in the court of public opinion, and maybe in that sense, PR firms are good.
PR firms are for crisis management.
They're not for building a case.
And I think Amber Heard, at this point in time, is quite clearly in crisis management.
Viva, when they arrest you in Canada, don't cry when they check your cavity.
Well, I'll tell you one thing.
I've had a colonoscopy.
That wasn't...
Video is really choppy.
Okay, then it's probably the internet.
I thought it was my camera.
I had a colonoscopy.
That wasn't as bad as the rubber band ligation procedure, which I've discussed publicly when it happened.
The most painful experience of my life.
I know what it's like to give birth.
I'm not even going to qualify it.
I know the pain of childbirth.
Because when I had that rubber ligation surgery, procedure, supposed to be a day in, day out, easy, no-brainer.
Oh, boy.
The colonoscopy, by comparison, felt like a vacation.
Love from the Legal Bites crew.
I'm modding 34,000 there, Don Bacco.
Don Bacchus, sorry.
You're doing a good job modding it.
I am a stubborn man.
I don't want to burden other people with modding.
And I also don't want to assume the responsibility of someone else making a mistake that only I should ever have to assume responsibility for.
But you're doing good work.
Yeah, 34,000.
Man, I remember when I was doing the Ottawa live streams, no mod.
But I wasn't even looking at the comments because I couldn't even see it off my phone.
They sedate you for the colonoscopy, though.
Yeah, there was...
I was wide awake watching it.
It was like playing a video game.
It's like the journey to the center of my stomach, which it literally was.
But for the rubber...
Okay, anyways, nobody cares about that.
So...
So...
On that note, rubber band...
No, it's not...
So rubber bands, they do that to castrate sheep in fields.
Rubber band ligation, they do for...
Hemorrhoids.
Okay, people, I'm not proud, but I'm not ashamed either.
So, okay, that's it.
I'm going to go.
We're going to do this again tomorrow.
So there will be no shortage.
I will be talking over a lot more than the others.
So if you like that, you know where to go.
And if you want quiet and you want to hear the testimony, you know where not to go.
Legal Bytes, Raketa Law, Good Logic, Emily D. Baker, also simultaneously streaming.
I will probably peep into the law and crime and maybe give them another super chat just to let people know where the fun stuff is.
But they have lasers for that now.
Yeah, nobody's going there with lasers, I'll tell you that much.
Yeah, imagine bringing the daughter into this.
And even the story with the daughter made no sense.
Belly flopped into the water.
She thought it looked too real.
She started crying, and then she's comforting her on the plane out of there after an incident in the hotel.
None of it made sense time-wise.
Okay, I'm just going to talk, say the same thing over and over again.
See you tomorrow.
Whatever time it starts, I'll set up the links tonight.
There is no sidebar tonight.
Just spread the word.
I sent a community tab out.
The sidebar will be tomorrow night at 7 o 'clock and I'll be streaming throughout the day.
Just got to get the flipping kids.
Did I just hear a dog making noise?
I did.
Got to get the kids to school.
Kids have to be in school.
Alright, now I'm going to go hit the treadmill and burn off some energy and some of those 90 milligrams of caffeine in that drink.
Peeps!
See you tomorrow.
Thanks for being here.
Talk soon.
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