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Jan. 19, 2022 - Viva & Barnes

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Sidebar with Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert - Viva & Barnes LIVE!

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	Good evening.
	I think that's going to be the official opening.
	In so much as I can remember to do it, I think that's going to be the official new opening.
	I just banged my computer.
	Winnie, would you like to say hi?
	Yeah, okay.
	We need to brush that dog's teeth.
	What's up, people?
	It's going to be a good one.
	I mean, this is like a family reunion of, like, Eric and Mark Grobert.
	Eric Hundley.
	America's Untold Stories, Laidback News, with Mark Robert is kind of like the Barnes and Viva in that Robert seems to be an idiot savant when it comes to Hollywood stuff in as much as...
	I shouldn't say idiot savant.
	I should say encyclopedic genius when it comes to Hollywood stuff in as much as Robert Barnes is the encyclopedic genius when it comes to the law stuff, the history stuff, and all the other important stuff.
	And, you know...
	I'm a good sidekick in that I can carry on a conversation and make people laugh every now and again.
	It's gonna be fun tonight.
	We're gonna be talking about conspiracies, theories.
	We're gonna be just talking about stuff.
	It's gonna go a variety of places.
	It's gonna start off with the idea that conspiracy theory as a term itself was allegedly coined by the CIA to mock and discredit people who would challenge the official narrative.
	Funny thing.
	I saw a fact check that says that that's factually incorrect.
	That there's a conspiracy theory going around.
	That conspiracy theory was created by the CIA to discredit people who contradicted the official narrative.
	Okay.
	Viva, did I get a haircut?
	I don't know if that's sarcastic.
	This is a freaking chia pet.
	And I love it.
	I love...
	It represents the way I've been feeling these days, people.
	Okay, so I'm going to bring in...
	You know what?
	I'll do a little rant while everyone...
	Comes into the house.
	Standard disclaimers.
	No legal advice.
	No medical advice.
	No election fortification.
	Undermining of the democracies of all...
	Advice.
	There was another one that I have to say.
	Yes.
	If you have any medical questions, consult with your doctor.
	If you don't trust your doctor, find a doctor you trust.
	If you have any election questions, don't ask them on YouTube, people.
	Okay.
	What else is going on?
	Oh, yes.
	Superchats.
	Thank you for reminding me.
	Bunglebush.
	Hold on.
	Get over here.
	Get over here!
	Okay.
	Here we go.
	Bunglebush.
	Winston, say hi to Bunglebush.
	Okay.
	Hi, Viva.
	I'm confused.
	I thought your Westie's name was Winston, but you keep calling him Winnie.
	But, by the way, love your attitude.
	You are a kind man.
	Thank you very much.
	His name is Winston, and then we just ended up calling him Winnie.
	And then Winnie the Westie had a rhyme to it.
	All right, super chats, people.
	Thank you in advance.
	If I don't get to them and it's going to miff you, don't give them.
	I don't like people feeling miffed, chilled, rooked, or whatever.
	YouTube takes 30%.
	If you don't like that, we are simultaneously streaming on Rumble, and Rumble has these things called Rumble Rants.
	Rumble takes 20%, so better for you, better for us, better for the company.
	And we are simultaneously also live chatting on locals.
	So if you don't want to give 30% to YouTube...
	Come and visit us and support us on Locals.
	It's the place to be.
	You know what?
	I'm going to just bring them in because we've got to get into today's vlog.
	And I don't like using...
	Godwin's Law, everybody knows what that is.
	There are certain words we try not to use on the YouTubes.
	Some of them might rhyme with Bittler and Yahtzees.
	But there was a video clip, and if it didn't go viral...
	I want to make it go viral of a French television show called La Semaine de 4 Julies.
	La Semaine de 4 Julies.
	I don't know.
	It's a celebrity named Julie Snyder who had two kids on a show.
	Asked them about what they thought about forced vaccination and what should be done to the unvaccinated.
	I'll bring it up as soon as I bring in our guests and our guests.
	Lord Buckley, sir!
	Yes.
	I'm sorry, I should have given everyone...
	I was meditating there.
	What happened?
	I was miles away and all of a sudden you interrupted me.
	Two things first.
	Everyone do an audio check so we can hear if I'm blasting everyone's audio.
	Sounds good to me.
	How do I say that?
	Check, one, two, three.
	Checking, one, two...
	Hello, hello.
	Okay, so I'm going to say that people are going to say I need to...
	I just want to say something.
	Your logo is in the middle of my forehead.
	If that's intentional, thank you.
	Well, of course.
	Right.
	Is that a thought balloon over my head over here?
	Am I thinking Viva Frye coming out of my head?
	Let me see this.
	Echo cancellation.
	I'll keep that automatically adjusted.
	I'm going to bring you up a little bit, Mark.
	I think that might be good.
	You're all golden.
	And now hold on, because Barnes is coming in, and this is going to be the layout that's going to look better.
	Oh, that's much better.
	Where does Barnes go?
	I don't know if he comes in last.
	I don't know if he fills the last square on the right, but Barnes will be here.
	Okay.
	We need some dueling minds.
	But now, I'm going to share a screen and do this the risky way yet again, because I didn't set this up beforehand.
	Chrome tab.
	Yeah, okay, so let's go.
	Now I'm going to have to pick one.
	Chrome tab was an acid from the 70s I used to take.
	Well, we're going to get there.
	I'm going to come back to the memo afterwards, Eric.
	I'm going to...
	Yep, that's it.
	Yeah, but I'm going to clip this, and then I'm going to go to the Twitter list.
	We need it.
	Oh, crap.
	Okay, you know what?
	Forget it.
	I'll have to do this later.
	Let's start with the theme of the evening.
	Conspiracy theories, people.
	Okay, this is from Truthstream Media, which says, this 1967 CIA memo is still used to discredit conspiracy theorists today.
	Mark, Eric, are you familiar with this memo that has been referenced as the originators of the term conspiracy theory?
	Yeah, that's 1035960.
	I don't know about what Truthstream Media is, but 1035960 is the official CIA document that created conspiracy theory directly headed against Epstein and specifically Mark Lane for his book Rush to Judgment, David, which came out in 1967, went to the top of the New York Times bestseller list and drove the CIA insane.
	Because Mark Lane picked apart the Warren Commission.
	He was one of the first JFK conspiracy researchers.
	And that drove them insane.
	So they issued this memo.
	And in the memo, it talks about what their play is going to be, how they're going to discredit Mark Lane.
	And they're going to use their media...
	Sorry.
	You need to back up for one second.
	Who's Mark Lane?
	Mark Lane is the author of a book called Rush to Judgment.
	He's an attorney in New York who was involved with the JFK election campaign in 1960.
	He wrote the first book, Picking Apart the Warren Commission, in 1967.
	That book, Rush to Judgment, also became a documentary called Rush to Judgment, became a New York Times number one bestseller, David, and the CIA had conniptions on how to deal with it.
	This was their response to that book.
	Okay, that's fascinating.
	Now, I've got to say this, Mark, because I was doing a little fact-checking on the claim.
	Eric, I'm going to bring this one out, and then I'm going to bring another one back in, because apparently the idea that the CIA created the term conspiracy theory to discredit people itself is a conspiracy theory.
	From the conversation, there's a conspiracy theory that the CIA invented the term conspiracy theory.
	Here's why.
	Where do we want to go to?
	First off, who wrote it?
	Oh, who wrote this article?
	CIA.
	Orham Khan from Shutterstock, it seems.
	He's reputable.
	That's a household name, David.
	Michael Butler or Butter over on the right.
	Let me see where...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Shutterstock would have to be the picture.
	That's right.
	It's Michael Butter.
	Professor of American Literary and Cultural History, University of...
	Oh, the infamous University of Tübingenden?
	There are even two versions of the conspiracy theory.
	The more extreme version claims that the CIA literally invented the term in the sense that the words conspiracy and theory had never been used before in combination.
	A more moderate version acknowledges that the term existed before but claims that the CIA intentionally created its negative connotations and so turned the label into a tool of political propaganda.
	Right.
	Well, they weaponized it.
	That's true.
	Okay, so then we got to...
	You see, this is where...
	See, they're referencing the same thing.
	So this is where fact-checks all become a game of semantics.
	And it becomes a game of semantics.
	Again, I don't know what you're referring to by fact-checks.
	You mean the phony fact-checkers that work for Facebook or the fact-checker who was my editor in the LA Weekly?
	I mean, you've got to have a definition of fact-checkers, David.
	I'll use the colloquial term, that which appears on Facebook and in the interwebs as fact check.
	Anything.
	USA Today.
	So anybody who uses it to verify Snopes, even though they are the most egregious peddlers of misinformation, knows fact checks.
	They invariably become debates on semantics.
	Yes, the term existed before.
	As if someone was ever purporting that in the history of humanity and linguistics...
	The terms conspiracy and theory had never been paired together anywhere in spoken or written word.
	That's just stupid.
	And the opposite of stupid is Robert Barnes, who's in the world.
	Well, we got the brains on the bottom and us on the top.
	There we go.
	No, we're the men who have couches on the bottom and you guys just have chairs.
	No, I don't even have that.
	I'm standing, buddy.
	We have leather couches.
	You guys don't have anything.
	I've got to hide a bed behind me.
	You didn't hide it very well.
	Actually, David, I think you might call a fact check a TLDR check because most fact checks, if you keep reading and get all the way to deep paragraphs, you'll find out that they contradict themselves.
	Yeah.
	It is the issue of like, they're going to fact check it.
	Okay, the term existed before, but the CIA weaponized it.
	Okay, let's agree there.
	We agree.
	Now, is that...
	Factually incorrect then to say that the CIA created or employed the term to discredit people who challenged the narrative.
	We agree.
	Okay, Tübinger University professor, we agree.
	So, Mark, this memo, this book comes out, and they need to find a way to discredit the author, and this memo internally is circulated, which says what?
	It shows you there are different aspects of how they're going to destroy Mark Lane.
	They are going to use their media assets in the publishing area, including publishers and reporters who work for them.
	They go into immense detail about the phraseology of how to use words to destroy Mark Lane, how to actually start a conversation about the destruction of Mark Lane.
	They lay it out over five pages in this memo and then go on to two more attachments.
	of the memo, they go into even further detail on how to deal with Mark Lane.
	It goes into percentages of how many people believe Oswald acted alone, how they've got to move these numbers, how it reflects badly on LBJ, how it reflects badly on the CIA.
	The memo itself is legendary.
	It's kind of a companion piece to the 1977 article by Carl Bernstein and Rolling Stone, which outlines in a 20-page article over 400 media assets who were working for the CIA during the 1950s, 1960s, and into the 70s.
	Bernstein's piece, combined with this, are probably the two most powerful documents involving the CIA and the media.
	Robert, I mean, you've done hush-hush on at least one or two on Viva Barnes Law.
	.locals.com about the weaponization, the corruption of the intelligence agencies.
	I mean, so what Mark's describing sounds like nothing more than a politicized, weaponized intelligence agency at the time trying to discredit people for the purposes of preserving the power of the political party they're indebted to.
	Has it always been this way from the beginning, like all these intelligence agencies were always fundamentally corrupt or did it happen slowly over time for those of us?
	Who may not have seen all the hush-hushes?
	Well, you know, in terms of the conspiracy theory that we may have fans very close to the president, I just would like to thank him for sending me a personal White House Christmas card signed by the president because you never know where he got some friends.
	Seven Ways to Sunday.
	Exactly.
	Somebody always wanted to...
	Somebody wanted to prove to me their proximity, and they succeeded.
	Congratulations.
	So we all have friends in different places, but in terms of...
	I mean, the intelligence apparatus is fundamentally the state at a certain level, wherever it's organized, and it's just the part of the state that...
	And from that perspective, intelligence agencies have always been a problem.
	The concentration of power and the capacity...
	Well, it's like technology works both ways.
	It both diffuses power and monopolizes power.
	It has both capabilities, capacities.
	And the once...
	I mean, arguably...
	My theory in some of the hush-hushes is that the first real kind of deep state effort in the United States was during the Civil War.
	And the efforts to take out Lincoln.
	I didn't know until much later in life that there was more than one attempted assassination that night.
	I thought the official narrative is they just tried to kill Abraham Lincoln.
	Not that they tried to take out Andrew Johnson.
	They tried to take out Ulysses S. Grant.
	They tried to take out...
	Seward.
	Yeah, so I take out Seward.
	And all you got to look at is who in line, who politically would benefit from those people being taken out.
	And then you figure out that it's the guy who was arguably the architect of the first ever deep state with ties to the foundation of the Pinkerton Agency and all that.
	And it just didn't work the way they anticipated because the country was still new enough, young enough.
	Probably about half the reason.
	The other half the reason is it's hard to pull off these kind of deals.
	I mean, as Mark talked about with JFK's assassination, Dallas wasn't the first effort.
	Dallas was just the one that they pulled off.
	The first lesson you could see from the attempted Lincoln assassination is, I mean, arguably there was multiple efforts to kill Lincoln, and then they just finally succeeded.
	But the only reason it didn't get worse is because they failed on Andrew Johnson, East Tennessean, who mostly just hated the Confederates.
	That's all he was motivated by.
	He didn't care much.
	Andrew Johnson was famous when they came by Christmas Carolyn.
	He opened up the window and just started screaming out and cussing at all the kids.
	He was true East Tennessee.
	But that was really the first effort.
	And then there were multiple variations of it over time.
	But it's useful to study the way the War Department operated.
	I mean, that was back when we had honest names of departments, too.
	Department of War.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Defense, not state.
	It was war, because that's what it was about.
	But yes, it's been a continuous, constant effort.
	I mean, right now, this might be a decent bridge into the...
	Current ongoing conspiracy.
	You look at the author, co-author with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Anthony Fauci, the real Anthony Fauci.
	The author is Dr. Meryl Ness.
	Meryl Ness is, I've worked with her repeatedly over the last year.
	Very smart, very bright, very conscientious.
	She has testified and been considered a worldwide expert around the globe for the last 30 plus years.
	And now the state of Maine is suspending her license and demanding she get...
	Go for psychological examinations about her thoughts about COVID.
	How Soviet, Robert?
	How Soviet?
	Well, you know what?
	I was just watching the Gulag documentary.
	That's how Soviet can you get, bro?
	Oh, hold on.
	I can show you how Soviet we can get.
	Let me just go back here.
	Share screen.
	How Soviet can you get?
	Canada.
	Share screen.
	Hold on, guys.
	You won't believe this.
	This is the...
	Twitter.
	This is the chief medical of Ontario.
	Listen to this.
	Listen to this.
	That's my ex-wife.
	...spreading misinformation about vaccines.
	At a time when it's never been more important for Ontarians to have confidence in the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, this is unacceptable.
	Unacceptable.
	It's unacceptable.
	We sent a letter to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario urging them to do everything that is possible to put an end to this behavior.
	We are the Borg.
	There are all options in doing so, including reviewing the licenses of physicians found to be spreading misinformation.
	How do I close this?
	You did.
	You already did.
	Let me tell you something.
	Her day is coming, David.
	That piece of shit's day is coming.
	You know, Boris Johnson ended this thing in England.
	Israel's now pulling the plug on it.
	This thing's coming apart.
	There's going to be a day of reckoning for people like her all across the country, in every country in this world, when this thing gets settled.
	Let's not forget who she was, when she said it, and why she said it, and wreak revenge on these people.
	Political?
	Political mark?
	Political revenge?
	Of course.
	Yeah, no.
	No joke.
	I say mock them mercilessly because people need to see the idiocy, the lunacy.
	But Robert, among attorneys, it's unethical to say I'm going to file an ethical complaint against you in order to coerce you to do anything.
	It's actually technically extortion under the law.
	This is a medical practitioner of Ontario, the Minister of Health, I think, saying...
	We're going to go after their licenses if we think it's misinformation.
	Like, what would that misinformation be?
	Might it be the misinformation that Justin Trudeau himself recently uttered, or Joe Biden, or what Fauci said six months ago compared to what he's saying now?
	Like, it's McCarthyism.
	I don't think I even understand the extent of McCarthyism.
	It gives McCarthy a bad name.
	I mean, the irony is McCarthy, for the most part, targeted high-ranking state officials.
	That's right.
	It was the House Democratic House on American Activities Committee that target a lot of your ordinary Joes and Schmoes and your people like Sean Penn's dad and some other people like that.
	You know, all the little commies hanging out in Malibu.
	I used to live in one of those houses that one of them used to live in.
	One of the commie huts.
	Exactly.
	I mean, they're cool little old wooden Connie Hefts.
	Right on the water and all that jazz.
	A lot of conspiracies went on in there.
	Oh yeah, there's a lot of conspiracies that happened up and down there.
	Between the two of you on the bottom row, you're going to have to tag team as to who explains this first because I know that I am misapprehending the extent and the nature of McCarthyism at the time.
	McCarthyism was the name given the efforts to purge everybody for their political belief structures.
	It was done by the media because You had multiple backstories going on.
	One was you had Republicans trying to use it as a way against the Truman administration and against the Democratic Party.
	That was an aspect of it.
	Though you had another aspect, which was high-ranking members of the military and the State Department that had legitimate concerns about red influence within high-ranking parts of the State Department and the military.
	They were the ones that introduced McCarthy to the topic.
	Then you also had the, it became just a political weapon, the House Un-American Activities Committee on the Democratic side, using it just to purge any political dissidents they didn't like, period.
	In academia, in economic life, in cultural life, in Hollywood, in writing, you know, all of that.
	Did you mention Hollywood?
	Yeah.
	Let me jump in on the Hollywood part, because I'll add on to what Robert's saying, just from the Hollywood angle.
	Dalton Trumbo and these cats are the Hollywood ten who went to prison.
	And I know this is hard to believe, but Moscow actually had screenwriting people working from Moscow who gave script notes out of the Kremlin to Hollywood screenwriters, notes about their scripts that they implemented into those scripts.
	I don't think the American people really understand how deeply pervasive...
	Moscow was involved in Hollywood at that time period.
	This is why they went after the Hollywood Ten, not because they didn't like their nightlife.
	They went after the Hollywood Ten because they were caught red-handed, including Dalton Trumbo, including the other nine, implementing script notes from Moscow, directly from the Kremlin, with agents on the ground in Hollywood telling them how to alter their scripts to make the Soviets look better indirectly, subtly, and also to push the communist agenda.
	It's like the Rosenbergs, they were guilty.
	Oh yeah, no question.
	The Rosenbergs, there's no question about their guilt, right.
	You just had this huge mixture of motives, of incentives, and of participants.
	I mean, like the State Department clearly had many high ranking people that were under communist influence directly or indirectly that, you know, We're probably a substantial reason why we lost China.
	They gave bad information and intel at critical junctures during the whole Chinese Civil war and internal conflict.
	Now, there are a lot of other issues there present, too.
	So there was legitimate concern mixed with people who saw it as an opportunity to make either political capital or go after their disliked adversaries.
	And then you also had a bunch of people who were like commies in the 20s and in the early 30s who a fair number were no longer, but who had somebody had a vendetta against them.
	And so they get stuck on a list.
	I mean, look how much support Stalin had in that time in the United States on the left, Robert.
	I mean, it was immense.
	I mean, even when revealed the crimes of Stalin, they were so freaking brainwashed that they still couldn't denounce Stalin into the 1960s.
	That was a deep, deep split that happened within the left once the information about Stalin, once Khrushchev's speech got leaked to the world.
	But there was still a good portion of hardcore communist supporters.
	But yeah, so loosely McCarthyism got the language of it was tarring and feathering someone because of their dissident political beliefs is the label.
	And that label was mostly put on by the media and the Democrats as a way to counteract McCarthy's successes, and McCarthy kind of deteriorated.
	He did have alcohol-related issues.
	McCarthy himself was kind of a labor populist from Wisconsin.
	He was not a right-wing militarist by any stretch, really.
	That wasn't who he was.
	It was a friend of the Kennedys, right, Bob?
	Oh, yeah.
	Close friend.
	I think he married one of the sisters.
	And the Kennedys came up with the House Un-American Activities Committee.
	Right, Bobby Kennedy was sitting in back of them.
	Yeah, and they're very...
	Strongly anti-communist.
	There's multiple stages of the Kennedys.
	There's the 1950s Kennedys, and then there's the early 60s Kennedys, and there's the late 60s Bobby Kennedy.
	And they're really almost like three different incarnations.
	Well, we went over the good Kennedys versus the bad Kennedys yesterday, Eric and I, on the show about the Sirhan parole hearing, how they went to war against each other.
	I was reading some of their...
	Emails last night on the show.
	So it continues, Robert.
	Yeah.
	I mean, no surprise that Newsom capitulated.
	But, I mean, a little bit because he idolizes Bobby Kennedy in particular.
	And Bobby Kennedy Jr., of course, has been one of the strongest advocates for Sirhan Sirhan's release.
	And Sirhan Sirhan not being the man who killed his father.
	But, yeah.
	So I think...
	Broader story, McCarthyism, it got a certain label that's probably historically not quite accurate, but what we're seeing is just old-fashioned political purges taking place currently.
	McCarthyism, as I ever understood it, was under the pretext of going after communist infiltration, so they were going after anyone with communist ties, blacklisting them, yada, yada, yada.
	Ironically, a communist tactic, And the idea that it was Russia's influence in Hollywood that was being ignored or catered to, and then I pulled up a couple of chats about kind of like China today.
	It kind of does feel exactly like China today, based on my limited understanding of it before this and from what you're saying now.
	We know that there's serious Chinese influence in movies, what can be published in Hollywood movies if they want to be released in China.
	People know it.
	They don't care.
	It turns out Fauci had financial ties to China as part of his portfolio.
	What a shock.
	I don't think you understand the full extent of what's going on with China, David.
	If you took a movie like Iron Man 3, they didn't even put any money into the movie and they just allowed it to enter into Chinese movie space.
	And for that, they got to shoot the entire third act of the movie, reshoot it in China, edit it the way they wanted to, and show an entirely different movie called Iron Man 3 from Marvel in China.
	And you could ask Shane Black, a close friend of mine, how that happened.
	But the reality of it is he had no say over it.
	And the Chinese literally are picking apart.
	I'm not talking about giving script notes.
	I'm talking about shooting the entire third act of the movie on their own territory and releasing it in China as Iron Man 3. I think the American people would be shocked to know something like that.
	As a matter of fact, on that note, Joss Whedon may be racist, or maybe he had instructions to lessen a black character's role because the Chinese market do not like them.
	Oh, that's true, too.
	Just to point that out, because right now he's trending.
	I would not be at all surprised if Disney got, you know...
	Disney follows a lot of Chinese memos, and they might have passed it right down the line to Joss saying, you know that character there, now he's not that good of an actor anyway, you just taper that on out.
	Yeah, well there's been a history of that, and David's right, this does have a lot of echoes of the Soviet influence in Hollywood during McCarthy in the 1950s and 60s, going back to the 40s.
	I mean, that's where it came from.
	They were trying to drive out that influence, and we're going to have to do the same thing with the Chinese.
	We cannot allow this to continue in terms of our cultural products.
	I'm not bringing this up out of approval.
	I haven't heard from Owen Benjamin in a while, but I know who Owen Benjamin is.
	He got some good stand-up.
	He was funny, and then he went nuts.
	Then he went absolutely batshit insane.
	I say the world can drive people crazy, and the world can drive people into connecting dots that don't necessarily exist, and then the dots that don't exist...
	I'll convince you that their world is flat and that everyone else is insane.
	First of all, actually, Eric, about changing the character's role in the movie, and this is going to go back to the insidious nature of corruption, I have no doubt whatever influences compelled Hollywood to do that did not say, we don't like black characters in movies.
	I mean, how did it happen?
	I guess it was subtle to say...
	Hey, maybe make that role a little lesser and upbeat as well.
	How did that happen?
	Well, I don't know.
	I have to ask Joss Whedon.
	He told people the guy couldn't act.
	I think his name's Ray Parkers.
	I don't remember his name, but it's Ray something.
	And he's been complaining about it for a while.
	And now Joss Whedon is under fire because, well, he's left.
	He's woke.
	You can never get woke enough.
	And it's always a losing proposition.
	If you're ever on the woke side, you will always lose in the end because they're coming for you.
	Speaking of conspiracy theories, Mark, there's been long conspiracy theories.
	McCarthy, of course, died at a particular hospital in D.C. And at that hospital in D.C., a range of people have died under suspect circumstances.
	What is that, Bethesda Naval Hospital, Robert?
	I forget.
	I'm blanking on the name of the one.
	I just remember when I first came across this story, it was about how people started going through the lists of highly controversial public figures at different times, for some reason suddenly show up in that particular hospital and end up dead.
	I don't know about that hospital, but David's got a hospital up by him called Allen Memorial, where you and Cameron operated MKUltra experiments on behalf of the CIA and Adam McGill.
	You've got some blood on your hands up there, Canada.
	Everybody, the Allen Memorial, it's a mental institution.
	I'm not saying that to be derogatory.
	It's a mental institution.
	Is it still functioning?
	I think a branch of it is still functioning by the Lachine Canal where they have a big institution.
	They had the Allen, a portion of it up on Pine Avenue, which is like three kilometers from where I live.
	But it was functional in my lifetime because...
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	They got my friend's mother.
	My friend's from Montreal.
	They got his mother in there.
	Bethesda, folks.
	Bethesda.
	Oh, Bethesda.
	Yeah, I thought so.
	Right, yeah.
	And the Allen Memorial, and Mark, you'll correct me because I don't know the detail that you do, but when they were operating MKUltra and they were finding homeless people or mentally ill people on whom to test...
	They were getting them from this institution, unless I'm mistaken.
	No, no, no.
	These were regular people.
	These were not homeless people.
	My friend's mother was not homeless.
	Oh, McGill?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, she went in for depression, David.
	And next thing you know, it was ultra-shock therapy and trying to drain her brain out to put in messages.
	This guy, Cameron, who was the president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, went all the way back to the not...
	I don't want to say the N-word, but he went all the way back to World War II.
	Can I say World War II or what?
	It wasn't just Canadian, Mark.
	He was the head of the entire American...
	No, no, I know that.
	I'm cherry-picking that for David, just to say...
	I mean, he was also the head of the American Psychiatric Association, but very few people know that he'd fly out of Lake Placid and go to Montreal every weekend to perform his experiments on these people in Allen Memorial and then go back to Lake Placid.
	And he was a CIA operative funder.
	Through and through for over 40 years.
	Oh, and he did deprivation stuff, too.
	It wasn't just shock.
	One of his favorite things is, I mean, complete deprivation, locked in sound.
	It just, oh, really, really horrid.
	Well, psychic driving, right, Robert?
	That's what they called it.
	The psychic driving of trying to implant, drain your brain out, and implant new memories.
	It was all designed for, you know, if they...
	You know, for Soviet interrogation of their agents and torture, had no medical validity whatsoever except for interrogation.
	Well, so here's the question.
	This is not just like, oh, I'm trying to think of the Himmlers, or this is not just experimentation for the sake of it like they were doing in the Japanese facilities during the war.
	This had a political undertoning or other influences?
	Like, who was directing requests?
	No, no.
	Again, they learned this from the Nazi scientists that they took under their wing under the Galen organization under Operation Paperclip.
	When they brought these guys into our tutelage, Cameron was learning from them on how to do this.
	This was passed on by the Japanese doctors we brought into our operation and the Galen organization and Operation Paperclip.
	This was not something...
	Cameron was over there doing this.
	And the reason I mention Cameron, I'm not picking on him for any particular reason, is that for 20 years we were told this was a conspiracy theory until the Canadians sued in court and these documents came out.
	So yesterday's conspiracy theory is today's Canadian and American history, David, is why I'm mentioning you and Cameron.
	It's now been proven as to what he did, but back in the old days, in the 70s, you know, people would say to me that that's just a conspiracy theory.
	So yesterday's conspiracy theory is today's history.
	If that makes any sense to you.
	It makes sense, especially having seen the way the last three years or two years of conspiracy theories.
	I guess four years, starting with Trump and then going into my Sharona Cyrus.
	Pull up my window that I have there.
	That's what I was looking for.
	Here's a charming individual.
	Cop killer, weather underground.
	Weather Underground, keep in mind who they advised.
	Bill Ayers and his lovely wife who got a presidential commutation or a pardon herself.
	And this guy here, this wonderful famous guy, guess who his son is?
	Gilbert.
	No, that would be a daughter.
	Is the last name Gilbert?
	Nope.
	No, it's not actually.
	It's the first name?
	Maybe it's Gilbert Gottfried?
	That's funny.
	That's funny, Robert.
	That was very good.
	Two points for the Canadian Jew.
	I love that one.
	Very good.
	Everybody's talking about how lovely San Francisco is.
	The DA of San Francisco is his son.
	And the DA of San Francisco, who raised him?
	Well, his adoptive parents, Bill Ayers and Bernadette Darn.
	His mother's Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert were on loan.
	They actually were working for a new organization at this time called the Black Liberation Army, which was operating out of Harlem under a chiropractic umbrella that involved pounds and pounds of cocaine that got them involved with cocaine.
	But the shootout in Rockland County that he's talking about here, the Brinks robbery, led to two or three dead guards, including a black policeman.
	But being pardoned by Andrew Cuomo at the end there was probably one of the most shameful things I've seen in a long time.
	Isn't there also a D.B. Cooper connection to the Black Liberation Army?
	That I don't know.
	Eric would probably know more about that.
	I haven't heard that.
	Remember, who is the main suspect or one of the main suspects for the D.B. Cooper?
	Well, there's a CIA pilot who was flying cocaine around, things like that.
	That's it.
	And I believe that guy...
	Awesome Fuzz?
	Yeah.
	It's Awesome Fuzz?
	Really?
	The guy crashed in Nicaragua in the jungle?
	No, no, no.
	If you look up this guy, I believe he actually ended up on a list in San Francisco connected to providing supplies to people connected to BLA and the Weather Underground.
	He shows up in unusual places.
	Well, Jason Boudin showed up in unusual places.
	He was the translator for Hugo Chavez in Venezuela right before he got the job as DA of San Francisco, David.
	So on his resume, it says his previous work was working for Hugo Chavez, which you may find to be unusual.
	I guess on my Indeed resume, it doesn't say I worked for Hugo Chavez.
	However, the guy he replaced, Gasson, who we have now, was born and raised in Cuba.
	So, I mean, how these people end up in major American cities, by coincidence, is really a stretch.
	By the way, the article is October 2021, so I'm not showing ancient history here.
	Oh, no.
	Because Cuomo was going out.
	This was the final week of Cuomo, right?
	Two things here.
	First of all, it's not that I don't like the individual's beard.
	I just want, in the chat, if my beard ever looks like that, let me know because I do not want it to look like that.
	So if I ever start to look like that, let me know.
	That's when cops looked like cops also back then.
	The mustache.
	I don't mind that mustache.
	That's the copstache right there.
	Here's the question.
	Robert, you might be able to feel this one better than anybody.
	What was the rationale?
	We've discussed about Trump pardoning in Iraq.
	I forget what it was called.
	The Blackwater guys.
	Yeah, the Blackwater.
	So we discussed that.
	People didn't like that discussion.
	Some people thought they were obvious war criminals.
	Others thought it might have been a problem.
	What was the possible rationale for communing or whatever it was, pardoning this individual?
	What was the political rationale as to how he got a raw deal?
	Oh, I don't think that was ever claimed for the Weather Underground.
	I mean, the Weather Underground just had a lot of political patronage and support.
	Always did.
	I mean, they were able to hide out for decades, live somewhat openly.
	Obama's book, Plain Sight, in Plain Sight.
	Yeah, in Plain Sight.
	There's really good documentaries on them.
	What even I didn't recognize or realize was that Weather Underground originally planned on being much more violent than they turned out to be.
	They were planning on blowing up and killing a bunch of people at a military dance.
	That's how they're going to start off.
	And people didn't.
	And what happened is they screwed up and blew themselves up in that home in New York.
	Thankfully.
	Dustin Hoffman lived next door to that place.
	He was out there in his underwear.
	Yeah, Dustin Hoffman at the adjoining townhouse.
	I had no idea.
	Dustin Hoffman would randomly show up there.
	I know.
	Dustin Hoffman is next to the house of the Weather Underground.
	Not next to it.
	The adjoining brownstone, right?
	Like a townhouse?
	Yeah, they're brownstones.
	He could have died by accident.
	Oh, yes.
	He was in his underwear out in front of the building.
	Could have been once upon a time in L.A. kind of alternative history.
	Right, right.
	We never would have gotten Rain Man, David, one of your favorite films.
	Well, no, I was actually just thinking I have to play that for the kids one of these days.
	We did Spaceballs, we did The Jerk, and I think Rain Man.
	We have to do Rain Man and then The Wizard because I said we needed those two movies.
	I have a kid down here whose grandfather's from Montreal.
	They made a movie about him, David, called The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz.
	I used to get that in high school because in high school I used to sell Fimo necklaces.
	To the high school kids.
	And whatever design they wanted, I would make.
	And they called me Duddy Kravitz.
	I never read the book.
	Don't know what it's about.
	Richard Dreyfuss is Duddy Kravitz.
	I know that part.
	But yeah, I get Duddy Kravitz a lot, actually.
	I got it in high school.
	So hold on.
	Getting back to the Weather Underground.
	It's a political pardon.
	The Weather Underground were planning for more serious things, accidentally blew themselves up in their house, in a house that Dustin Hoffman happened to be the adjacent...
	Murs mitoyens, as we say in Quebec.
	And what happened?
	And Bill Ayers now, someone had said...
	I mean, they went on a wild bombing.
	Someone says it's Vernon Copeland, who's not a troller, who has a legit...
	I don't know if I can bring it up at all.
	Vernon Copeland.
	Bill Ayers paid Obama's college.
	Dreams of My Real Father is a must-watch for Viva.
	Okay.
	He wrote the book.
	He wrote the book.
	He was the ghostwriter.
	He put in secret codes into the book to make sure you knew that he wrote it.
	He put in all these nautical references because he had been a merchant marine, Bill Ayers, and he put those in there specifically in case somebody would say that he never wrote it.
	He tried to get more additional money out of Obama after the book came out for a rewrite and was shunned by Obama and blocked out because of his pursuit for more money.
	I mean, the Weather Underground was very much like...
	A lot of violent leftist movements, they were the sons and daughters of very privileged, powerful people, disproportionately.
	Yeah, I think Ayers' father was, Ayers or the other guy's father was head of Chicago Con Edison, right?
	I mean, they all had corporate ties.
	Oh, yeah.
	The documentary does a good job of detailing that, but for that reason, the media kind of romanticized them quite frequently.
	Well, Patty Hearst, Barnes.
	Yeah, exactly, who they pretended was kidnapped.
	The Siphanian Liberation Army.
	Yep, yep.
	So, I mean, there was a range of those.
	I mean, if you want to compare January 6th to an event that's interesting, the attempted assassination of Truman and the Puerto Rican machine gunners in the House of Representatives shooting from the balcony.
	Then pardoned by Jimmy Carter, right, Robert?
	Yes, that's right.
	One of the great things.
	You hear the courts say, and you hear some of these other people say, worst ever attack.
	Worst ever?
	How about the Puerto Rican Nationalists?
	I mean, you can't get better than them.
	Back it up in contextualize it.
	Tell people who don't necessarily know what on earth you're talking about what you're talking about.
	So it was the radical Puerto Rican movement for Puerto Rican independence.
	And it was the late 60s, early 70s.
	Actually, you know, we're able to, back when the capital security...
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	This is when Truman was president.
	This was 1952.
	Oh, you mean, oh, okay, all the way back then.
	Well, then he had McKinley who was killed by a Puerto Rican.
	I mean, Puerto Ricans have a long history, dude.
	Yeah, this was a Puerto Rican nationalist movement going to the 50s, Robert.
	Right, okay, yeah.
	They entered into the House of Representatives with weapons and started opening fire from the balcony.
	From the gallery, right?
	The gallery, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then tried to, on the streets, simultaneously shoot down Truman, who would walk to the Oval Office every day from his house outside.
	And a Secret Service guard killed the attacker in broad daylight on the streets of D.C. Tell me how bad January 6th was compared to that day.
	Nobody even knows about this.
	First of all, how did they get...
	I mean, I presume they had no metal detectors, but what type of...
	Yeah, back then, no.
	What type of machine guns did they get?
	Even through the 70s, because, I mean, there were raids...
	No, you're thinking about Francis Tavern and the bombing by the Puerto Rican Liberation Front, which is an extension years later of the same organization.
	Right, but this is in the early 50s when they attacked the House of Representatives, later pardoned by Jimmy Carter.
	They were sentenced to life in prison, I believe, and Carter pardoned them.
	This is my question.
	On what basis, what was the rationale for the pardon?
	Puerto Rican liberation, nationalization to making Puerto Rican free.
	Your terrorist is their freedom fighter.
	Right, right.
	They're freedom fighters, David.
	They were mistaken in their means, but their objective was understandable.
	Their objective was understandable.
	I'm going to say that I disagree with that rationale, but at least...
	Well, we're kidding.
	We're kidding.
	The short answer is it was a political pardon versus a pardon...
	It was a political act and a political pardon, not unlike Robert talking about the Weather Underground.
	There's a long history of this on the left.
	They submit these violent acts.
	Put off bombs in the Capitol.
	I was like, this was the least damage done to the Capitol in the history of violence against the Capitol.
	What happened on January 6th?
	The amount of bombing that the Weather Underground did, I think there was 183 bombings in one year by the Weather Underground, if I'm correct.
	I have to look at the documentary again.
	It wasn't just a one-off.
	They were bombing everything in sight, David.
	I mean, to talk about January 6th compared to the Weather Underground is absurd.
	And others, because there was another 50 or 60 bombs that went off that weren't the Weather Underground.
	They weren't alone.
	There was lots of bombing going on.
	Again, this is not conspiracy history.
	This is called American history.
	Forget about the word conspiracy.
	It's a weapon.
	It's like racist.
	You've got to get this through your heads, people.
	None of these people were ever charged with sedition or insurrection, to my knowledge.
	No.
	Only people that have been charged with sedition or insurrection are people like Eugene V. Debs for giving a speech against not serving in World War I. That's who gets, you know, and January 6th defendants.
	You know, the...
	I want to try to steel man the arguments because, Robert, we've talked about some pardons.
	Oh, please, go ahead.
	Go ahead, Bushyhead.
	Let's see what you have.
	Hold on, let me just...
	Go ahead, Bushy.
	I just want to try to understand it.
	Is, you know, Robert and I have talked about pardons which were politically toxic.
	But at least the argument was they never received a fair trial because everyone was so tainted, yada, yada, yada.
	Roger Stone, by way of example, Steve Bannon.
	And what did they do?
	What did they do, exactly?
	They bombed somebody?
	They shot somebody.
	No, they robbed a bank.
	So what was the rational...
	He pardons them.
	What's the justification?
	Okay, well, they've done enough time, or it was politically motivated.
	You're talking about the Jimmy Carter pardon?
	Yeah, let's take the Jimmy Carter pardon.
	I have to go back and look at the actual verbiage.
	It was as a reaching out to the Puerto Rican radical movement.
	But it also cemented, as Robert knows, the democratic state of Puerto Rico to vote democratic for all eternity, which is a lot of their motivation.
	Yeah, no doubt about that, too.
	And the Trump pardons, technically, they were considered political prosecution, so he was politically pardoning.
	It was actually kind of a tit-for-tat, if you think about it.
	It's interesting, and maybe this is my own internal bias, but I knew nothing of Blackwater except for what I remember hearing at the time, which was a massacre in the streets.
	And then reading some of the details, reading some of the conflicting evidence, which some people disagree with, that's fine.
	But there was nonetheless some conflicting evidence.
	When it comes to cases which, by all accounts, and maybe we're not the right foursome to have all accounts here, maybe someone's going to say, Yeah, there's totally exonerating evidence that the people accused and convicted were not the ones...
	Nobody even makes that argument on their side.
	Nobody on the Weather Underground argues they didn't do it.
	Nobody ever...
	Oh, no, it's their badge of honor.
	Got them entree into the University of Chicago and got them their jobs where they're teaching to this day.
	Correct.
	They put them in the Revolutionary Hall of Fame.
	How many gubs in her hair, Mark?
	What's that?
	How many gubs in her hair?
	Across the globe.
	I mean, the leftist violence was all over the place around the world in the 1970s.
	Yeah, part of the argument by Newsom yesterday in our show, Robert, that Newsom cites in his document, he cites a 1973 hostage-taking in Sudan, and they mentioned Sirhan and the hostage-taking, and how he hasn't properly renounced it since 1973, which is why he can't let him out.
	I mean, you've got to read this document.
	It's absolutely absurd.
	I mean, the truth is they can't confess that they are responsible for Bobby Kennedy's death and then the cover-up of who his true assassin is.
	That's what the state of California is really doing.
	And unfortunately, there's part of the Kennedy family that's happy to go along with it.
	Right.
	Part of it that's not happy to go along with it.
	There's another part of it that is happy to go along with it.
	Right.
	Not to mention everybody involved in the case at a lower level became judges and attorney generals and worked their way up the political ladder.
	So they became deep state or state operatives themselves.
	Everybody got rewarded.
	You'd have to tear apart the fabric of the state just to pardon one guy.
	Correct.
	Just so everybody knows, my computer, for whatever the reason, is synced to my daughter's iPad, and I'm getting a call from her friend, which is an answer.
	So I put it on mute.
	I don't think that's going to even work.
	Sorry, if anyone heard the ring.
	Is that Debbie you're talking about?
	I don't know who this kid is, but he's going to...
	Oh, let me see.
	Is that your future son-in-law?
	He's speaking of another attempt to sort of glamorize violence on the left.
	Did you see that recent movie they made about, what's his name?
	You know, it starts with a C. Famous, you know, he was renamed after the famous Palestinian terrorist that was on the lam for forever.
	Oh, Carlos the Jackal?
	Yes, Carlos.
	Oh, yeah, the three-part Carlos is unbelievable.
	That's one of the greatest miniseries of all time, the French miniseries.
	Wow!
	There's a new movie that basically glamorizes the Palestinian Carlos.
	Oh, I see.
	And it just shows you the mindset.
	And what's interesting is what it details that's accurate is all the radical leftist violence that was taking place.
	Yes.
	I mean, it's how the, you know, how did the Palestinian cause become a leftist cause?
	Because it's not necessarily...
	That's a big part of it.
	What the Carlos film portrays is that for the left, the radical left of Europe at the time, violent left, they aligned with the Palestinian cause.
	It was almost like, and that Carlos was kind of, they portrayed Carlos the way the left portrayed Che.
	Oh yes, absolutely.
	He was the European Che Guevara.
	Carlos Illich is Lenin's middle name.
	It's Illich Ramirez Sanchez.
	He's a total communist.
	He didn't give a wits.
	He's from Venezuela.
	Yes, he doesn't give a shit about Palestinians.
	I strongly recommend the three-part Carlos by Asayas, Olivia Asayas, the French director.
	Absolutely fantastic miniseries, incredible acting, incredible information about the violence back then.
	But, you know, just to get back to David's point about conspiracy and how it's weaponized.
	If you take a look, for example, at the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which were created by either French intelligence or Russian intelligence back in the day for anti-Semitic purposes, that document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, ends up in the glove compartment of every Ford motor car to come off the assembly line in Dearborn, Michigan.
	In that glove compartment is a complete set of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion written by or published by Henry Ford.
	Now, here you have a conspiracy theory that's now printed and put into the glove compartment of every Ford motor car coming off that assembly line.
	Now, who does he bring in in the assembly line to work?
	He brings in Palestinians from the Middle East.
	And who are their archenemies?
	The Jews.
	And what do we have today?
	We have some representatives out of Dearborn who may be anti-Israeli, may be complete nutjobs out of Michigan.
	So conspiracy can be weaponized, David, for...
	Political purposes, and that example, just going back at the long lineage of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, there's a man who has a PhD in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and that is Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian state.
	I remember him.
	Do you know how far this has gone, this insanity?
	I'm going to bring this up, and it is not to mock Owen Benjamin.
	First of all, I did not know, I thought the flat earth part was a joke, because I have not followed him.
	So I haven't seen him since then.
	Even then, I will say that that might be a semantics debate.
	The Earth is not round.
	It is less than round.
	Watch the downfall of O&B.
	It's a study in how subversive material works to control minds.
	Flat Earthers came for him, and because he was sure his IQ could reason anything, he fell into the trap when he couldn't and adopted their arguments.
	So I know nothing about O&B's Flat Earth stuff.
	I just said he was losing it.
	When he started connecting certain dots and placing too much of blame on certain demographics for what was happening to him on YouTube, and that's sort of where I fizzled off.
	So I don't even know, but thank you for the super chat.
	It's also part of the system's goal.
	So you'll have a legitimate conspiracy theory about some topic or subject.
	Right.
	And in order to self-discredit that group, you inject ideas that are self-marginalizing.
	And, like, I've seen this, I'll give an example, the so-called tax protester movement in the United States.
	People come across questions about how our tax laws are written, whether they are written in a manner that conforms to the law, and so on and so forth.
	And they're told something crazy or what sounds crazy.
	They'll make inquiries of the IRS and the IRS will give them runarounds and then that triggers their suspicion.
	And that's where it starts.
	And then somewhere along the way, when they don't get the response from the legal system that they anticipate of getting answers to some of their questions, one way that they sort of self-discredit themselves is their ideas get...
	Crazier and crazier.
	Somebody comes in and says, you know, you remember that belief you thought was crazy turned out true?
	Well, here's another crazy one.
	It turns out that they sold your identification to the census in the 1920s and really that you're a straw man personality and you're all caps.
	And then you get into Sovereign Citizen stuff and people are like...
	That's it.
	Sovereign Citizen.
	I was looking.
	I'm like, there's a whole...
	You get into all that stuff.
	What's interesting is that the sort of extreme version, what they'll take is something that's a little bit true.
	Such as American wealth is based mostly on fiat currency these days, governmentally and consequently.
	That means that what there really is is the continued sustenance of the sustainability of governmental coercive power over labor and wealth and land is what makes U.S. debt worthwhile over time.
	To give an example.
	Why do I trust that the bond's going to be paid back in 30 years?
	I trust that this government's going to be able to have enough control over enough labor and land to pay it back.
	So they'll take that idea, and that has questions and problems and risks from an economic theory perspective in it.
	And then they'll take that and they'll say, They'll extract that into your identities being sold and your birth certificate to the Census Department.
	Why do you think your birth certificate goes to the Census Department?
	They're really selling your labor in advance.
	They create a crazy theory that makes you sound nuts by the time you're talking to any ordinary person.
	And they do variations of this all over the place.
	All the time.
	Fake moon landing, Robert.
	Fake moon landing.
	Or, you know, blame Dominion.
	You're still in an election right out in the open, and you tell everybody, look over there, look over there, look over there.
	At something that actually isn't there.
	So that you don't see what was there.
	And you use discrediting one to discredit them all.
	I refer to this in litigation.
	I refer to it as litigation trauma.
	Which is you get stuck in a system.
	You get abused and beaten around.
	And so you start looking for explanations.
	You start looking for justifications.
	But above all else, you start looking at everyone and anything with suspicion.
	And therefore, it leads you to believe things which you might not ever otherwise believe.
	It leads you to connect dots that don't necessarily connect.
	But, bringing this up, Flat Earthers are entertaining.
	First of all, Max...
	She's a Flat Earther.
	Mark's entertained.
	I'm signing up for that.
	Back in the day, I think it was my first controversial live stream when I was wet behind the ears and didn't know how...
	I didn't think people would react badly to it.
	I did an interview with Mark Sargent, you know, the spokesperson for the Flat Earthers.
	He was in the movie behind it.
	I have no idea what you're talking about, but go ahead.
	Do they have an office?
	Is there an office in D.C., David?
	For Mark Sargent?
	No, for the Flat Earthers.
	I mean, how organized are they?
	Well, I don't know.
	Over the last four or five years, they started spread like crazy.
	The first time I realized this was somehow a thing again.
	I didn't even know it was a thing.
	Yeah, it was with talking with Alex.
	And Alex was trying to explain about some of his people because a lot of people that work for him and that are connected to him are accustomed to going down every rabbit hole because they've seen crazy rabbit holes come true.
	And they started being susceptible about five years ago, a percentage of them, to the flat earth idea.
	And he would sit there and tell them, I've seen it.
	It's like this.
	It's not like this.
	It's like this.
	Sounds like QAnon, Rob.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, QAnon's a classic example of a great disinformation campaign.
	Before we bleed into QAnon, Mark Sargent, the guy from Behind the Curve on Netflix, we had a discussion.
	And it got a lot of views, for whatever that's worth, but it got a lot of pushback.
	And I realized quickly, discussing with Mark Sargent, it was an argument that was almost not tautological, but rather...
	Set up in a way that you could never disprove it.
	And I said as much to him.
	He's like, okay, well, why is the moon round?
	The moon is round, but not necessarily spherical.
	Okay, why do you see the ship disappear over the horizon?
	Well, that's just a problem with cameras, and that's a problem with interference between the camera and the object.
	And I said, okay, it's great.
	You've put out arguments that can never be disproven.
	And that was the bottom line of it.
	It's like the framing so that it can never be disproven.
	Setting that aside, it's a belief which in and of itself causes no harm to anybody that I know of.
	That's definitely not true.
	It causes a lot of harm.
	Okay, explain.
	Because it influences legitimate conspiracy theories and they use it as a weapon to beat us down.
	Okay.
	It is harmful.
	No, but pause there.
	The theory itself, someone believes the earth is flat, fine.
	If they're pilots and they...
	You know, alter their behavior.
	Maybe they might have become pilots.
	Well, that could be a problem, too.
	Well, that could be a problem.
	Now, setting that aside, the way it gets weaponized, that's what I discovered after that stream.
	Right, right.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't think it was coincidental that YouTube began almost promoting the Flat Earth concept.
	Right.
	These are psyops programs, my friend.
	These are not people just sitting around in their basement jerking off.
	These are professional QAnon psyops-style programs that go all the way back.
	To the 1920s, 1930s in multiple countries, not just here.
	I mean, you know, conspiracies are created because you don't get answers, like Robert was kind of hinting at.
	What is the motivation after two years of an FBI investigation into the Las Vegas shooting?
	Tell me his motivation.
	Okay, tons of people dead, a guy up there machine gunning people, no motivation after two years of an investigation.
	What happens is people start to come up with their own answers.
	That's where it comes from.
	And that's also intentional.
	Well, that's Baldwin right now.
	Yeah, well, I saw Baldwin got sued.
	Baldwin went after the family member of a...
	For God's sake, that suit seems silly.
	Oh, the...
	I don't know.
	It looks like he's really libeled her.
	I mean, who libels a family member of a Marine?
	An asshole.
	And puts him on blast.
	I mean, obviously.
	Now, have you seen Dunnigan's?
	Dunnigan's got a new...
	Oh, yeah.
	He's doing Baldwin.
	Dude, I love this guy.
	We've been getting bombarded with Kyle Dunningham.
	Kyle Dunningham?
	Dunningham.
	Dunningham, isn't it?
	I haven't seen it, but yeah, he did Cuomo, he did Joe Biden, and apparently he's doing...
	He does a great Alex Baldwin.
	We've been using him on the show, Robert, doing Baldwin for us.
	We've been using him on our show.
	He's very good.
	Oh, no, Nate was on the show with us when we had done it.
	Oh, Nate was there, yeah.
	Yeah, I wasn't.
	We might want to have him, Robert, we might want to have him for a sidebar.
	That would be great.
	We have an explosive Alec Baldwin episode coming up this Friday that we can't talk about with a lot of inside emails that have come in bottles or somehow washed ashore, Robert, that we are going to get into on Friday that may blow this entire thing out of the water.
	I can't tell you any more than that, but on Friday, America's Untold Stories, Baldwin episode 14, Eric?
	Is that where we are?
	14 of this insanity?
	And it's actually 15. We have 13 and 14.5 because we have so much going Friday that we did a follow-up on Monday to finish Friday.
	Right.
	Somebody call Netflix because this is getting too weighty to be on YouTube anymore.
	When they do the show on this series on Netflix, it's going to have more than Eric's over-the-shoulder on Carole Baskin.
	Right, right.
	Getting back to two things.
	Maybe you don't want to go into it in too much detail.
	The moon landing conspiracy is an interesting one where I have an open mind for everything and I can assess information.
	Hold on, I've got to hijack for one second because we brought the moon landing and this is irrelevant to take it back to Baldwin so we can self-promote.
	The lawyer for Alec Baldwin was the lawyer for Buzz Aldrin when Buzz Aldrin had anger management issues and punched the dude in the face.
	Oh, that's right.
	That is true.
	Sorry, I had to tell you, there's a little bit of a dot.
	That is true.
	There were a lot of people cheering Buzz, whacking that guy in the face.
	Right.
	A lot of people were, but I'm just saying that, okay, look, he was an angry dude.
	He punched somebody in the face.
	All of the answers are in Capricorn 1, the movie.
	So you could save us all some time if you just watch that movie.
	It'll explain the entire...
	Mark, you sent me a list of books to listen to and not read and a list of movies to watch.
	But by the way, Buzz Aldrin should have just claimed the gravity defense.
	It was his hand that was being pulled down by gravity.
	But getting to the moon issue...
	So, I had my discourse with Mark Sargent.
	I think I, like the chat just said earlier, I think I got to the crux of the issues, setting up arguments that can never be disproven.
	But then, you know, I looked into the moon landing issue, not to be swayed by it, just because I want to understand it, but I'll give it...
	Robert, Mark, Eric, whoever knows more about this, I did hear a few things that...
	We're a cause for concern as to why we have not been back to the moon because confirmed by NASA.
	And I listened to the videos.
	They destroyed the technology and it's difficult to replicate.
	I don't want to get into any other issues other than that admission.
	If anybody has heard it, Mark, Robert, do you know what I'm talking about?
	The theory is that Stanley Kubrick directed it.
	I know that.
	But I will give you one counter because the logical counter where you're saying, oh, my God, how is it you could go all the way to the moon and back multiple times, but now we can't even make it out of our atmosphere?
	One response.
	We used to have a Learjet.
	That Learjet was faster than anything we have right now.
	Flew people across the ocean in no time at all, like an hour.
	And it's gone.
	Didn't somebody put a convertible Tesla into space last year?
	Yeah, Musk.
	Didn't Musk put a convertible Tesla in space?
	Was that a conspiracy or did he do that?
	He did do it.
	So hold on, hold on.
	I had asked Mark Sargent about that because that was one of the evidences of the round earth.
	It's like the guy...
	The Red Bull guy who went up in the balloon and jumped.
	The Earth looked curved.
	Oh, that was the GoPro lens.
	Okay, well, the pictures from outer space, those are fake.
	You can't prove them.
	The moon, why are all other celestial bodies round?
	Well, they're round, but they're not necessarily circular.
	Well, you had the flat earth that went up in the rocket, but then he stayed up.
	So I guess that doesn't matter.
	No, he ended up dying, that guy.
	I know that.
	That's a joke.
	You're not going to ask him.
	But hold on one second.
	Let me see.
	I want to see if I can get the clip where they talk about NASA having destroyed.
	Let's see if this is going to be it.
	You know what?
	Oh, gosh, I'm going to get in trouble.
	What was a conspiracy?
	It was that hidden, whatchamacallit movie, where the black secretaries launched John Glenn into space.
	That movie is completely insane.
	I traced that back to a CIA operative out of Mexico City with his wife, who were working for the Obamas.
	She wrote a book, and the Obamas optioned it immediately and turned it into that film.
	One of the craziest theories I've ever heard in my life.
	Hey, that's my hometown girl.
	But hold on.
	The woman?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Now, this is the second part.
	Setting aside the moon stuff.
	Forget the moon stuff.
	Why is motive important?
	Hidden figures.
	That's it, yeah.
	Why is motive important?
	I presume they're talking about the Vegas shooter.
	Well, this is one question, first of all.
	Why would motive be important?
	Who knows?
	Okay, well, the motive would be important because the FBI said we're going to get to the bottom of this and get to his motive.
	And during the time of that happening, people like Lisa Loomer and others...
	Couldn't wait any longer, began to pressure the sheriffs in Las Vegas in press conferences, and it got very annoying, so the FBI came in and shut it down.
	And why it's important is because upstairs above the shooter, on the floor above that was owned by the Saudis, were tons of Saudi Air Force men who were up there buying arms from this guy and who flew six American jets.
	They purchased them legitimately, flew them out in formation out of Nevada that weekend.
	Now, there may not be any connection, but the fact that the Saudi officers from the Air Force of Saudi Arabia, at a time when the stability of the Saudi regime was in question because the king had just died, may have something to do with the cover-up of this incident.
	It may not.
	But the fact that they own that floor in the hotel right above the Saudi shooter, the Las Vegas shooter, may or may not be of interest to people.
	Yeah.
	And I met Concord, folks.
	I met Concord.
	Somebody caught me in the chat.
	Not Lear.
	Concord.
	Brain freeze.
	Yeah, I mean, Paddock's whole family's got weird history.
	Right.
	The two giveaways early on that something was AWOL is his wealth was mostly unexplained.
	Yeah.
	It's like Epstein.
	How did this guy suddenly get all this money?
	Right.
	And then the second, early on, there was this spin.
	That he was a successful video poker player.
	And that he got comped a lot.
	And so there are two problems with that.
	One, there's no such thing as a successful video poker player.
	In fact, the sign of someone is a gambling addict.
	If you want to know.
	It's video poker.
	The slots, right?
	And they'll tell you that they win at a game that they can't win at, by definition.
	Because it's a pure statistical luck game that they can't control.
	It's a statistical luck game that...
	Do you know how many video cameras were in that hotel at that time, and we've seen zero footage?
	We've seen zero footage.
	It's like January 6th, but with actual devastation.
	First of all, and just so everybody appreciates...
	Oh, by the way, here's a question, a little trivia pursuit.
	What federal agency did Paddock work for?
	FBI.
	I don't remember.
	The Internal Revenue Service.
	Oh, right.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	I think he might have been a gun broker between us and the Saudis.
	Somehow he got...
	The IRS is when his life suddenly changes.
	He goes to the IRS.
	After that, he gets some sort of gig that's kind of nebulous.
	Some sort of defense-related gig.
	All of a sudden, he's independently wealthy for the next 20 years.
	And has a house in the Philippines.
	His wife in the Philippines.
	It seems like he bought her.
	Apartment properties all over the place.
	Most of them he doesn't even sell.
	He ends up coning with his brother.
	It's got something to do with the Saudis.
	His brother had something to do with cheese pizza from what we all understood.
	I don't know about it.
	He invented cheese pizza.
	He investigated by the FBI for...
	His father was vicious.
	They did a great job of keeping a lid on the father's story.
	Vegas always had to...
	I told people we'll never know what happened in Vegas because Vegas had to have that story die fast and it had to not blame Vegas.
	Well, then they went after Lisa Luma, who was the...
	She was the protagonist hassling the sheriff.
	Correct.
	And in other protest groups.
	I mean, there's a couple of small documentaries that are out that you can find on Amazon and some other places, YouTube here or there.
	But for the most part, they just quashed that quickly.
	And I told them that night, I told people that Vegas cannot afford them to blame Vegas.
	So that means they're going to kill anything that could lead to future problems for this story.
	And that's what they did.
	Two questions.
	I do recall at the time...
	We lived through it in real time, paying attention to it.
	I was here when it was happening.
	You could hear the shots going on.
	Never even thought of that.
	One of the theories was that the people weren't actually killed.
	The crisis actors.
	I knew the people that were there.
	I wasn't trying to lend credence to it.
	I was just like...
	Now, how they fought off the plaintiff's counsel is another story in that case.
	Really?
	There was discussion that there was an actual gunfight at the helipads.
	Yeah, that's because of the echo.
	The echo was all over the place.
	And the nature of the way Vegas is structured architecturally and where he was shooting from, it created a wide range of echoes across the city.
	And so people were running in saying there's a shooting and people got confused as to whether that shooting had happened just there, happened somewhere else.
	And there's mass confusion all the way up and down the southern...
	I heard he really hated country music, David.
	Well, no.
	I will not make jokes to this.
	I will say one thing.
	The shootings elsewhere...
	There is a Vegas connection to Paddock, though, by the way.
	Is there?
	The media managed to mostly keep a lid on.
	It involves his psychotic, famous father.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, Paddock's father was, grew up in Wisconsin, capital of serial killers, just per capita speaking, you know, whatever the deal is in Wisconsin, whether it's in the cheese, the milk, the wood, the beer.
	Ed Gein.
	Yeah.
	Ed Dean, famously.
	You know, the man of Silence of the Lambs, partially named after.
	Human skulls turned into soup bowls.
	John Wayne Gacy.
	John Wayne Gacy, right.
	People first told me that.
	I was like, I don't know if I'm going to stay living in Wisconsin.
	Wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee, Robert?
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, yes.
	A buddy of mine knew him.
	Okay.
	I met him at a bar.
	Okay.
	Luckily, he didn't take him home, unfortunately.
	Yeah, luckily, no.
	Luckily, he skipped that date.
	The plumber's unit went in there and put McGovern literature into his apartment.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, well, with Paddock, so that's where he grew up.
	Then he went to Chicago.
	Then he went off to war.
	Connected to some interesting cats in Chicago.
	Gets caught three or four times.
	Minor.
	He's a con man kind of guy.
	Got different confidence scams.
	That's where he marries, has kids.
	Moves to Arizona.
	What he does in his spare time is basically rob banks.
	The father of the shooter?
	The father of the shooter.
	The father was psychopathic.
	That's right!
	Where he got caught was Vegas.
	He got caught in downtown Vegas.
	Why is he in Vegas in 1961?
	Who is he doing some of these bank robberies for?
	What's the connection to Chicago?
	Yeah, that kind of connection.
	Did somebody rat him out in Vegas?
	Whatever happened, you know, he ends up in a shootout right downtown Vegas with an FBI agent, all that jazz.
	Oh, that's right.
	The story of the dad's better than the kid.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, they snag him.
	They take him to jail and federal jail in L.A. And he famously is one of the most successful escaped convicts also in history.
	He escapes in 1967, disappears on the lam.
	They don't find him again until 1978 in Oregon, where he's running a bingo scam as a fake church.
	I love this guy.
	This is an America's Untold Story, Mark.
	How many times did James Earl Ray escape from prison?
	Oh, there was a bunch of times.
	I was just watching something.
	Oh, I know, because MLK Day was yesterday.
	Right.
	Wasn't it in Tennessee, Robert?
	I mean, all over the place.
	I mean, he was a master.
	Well, by the way, that's another Canada connection.
	Remember James Earl Ray was hopping up through, you know, it's weird.
	So was Ted Cruz's father.
	He comes out of Cuba and he goes right to Canada.
	Okay, well, hold on a second.
	Robert, I don't know anything about that, people.
	Nothing at all.
	I remember hearing about...
	Donald Trump famously said, what was Ted Cruz's dad doing on the grassy knoll?
	That's right.
	The only Ted Cruz one I know about is him being the Zodiac killer, but that's another issue.
	I remember hearing about the father at the time and the brother, and everyone was like, okay, we write that off by saying it's a family of criminals.
	Well, Vegas suppressed that story because they didn't want people saying Vegas was the target.
	And a possible motive is, from that moment forward that...
	Paddock's father disappears, never shows up in their life again.
	I was going to mention Kamala Harris.
	She went to high school.
	That's true.
	All roads go through Canada.
	There's some bad connection that comes through Canada.
	I just want to point out that Vancouver has the greatest streetwalkers in the Western world.
	Go on.
	No, I was going to say, Canada is the pathway criminal country.
	But no, Kamala Harris went to Westbound High, up the street.
	I walk my dog in the backyard there.
	They have a track behind.
	So, what's the theory?
	What is the operating theory on the Vegas shooting?
	Because call me an analyst.
	There's a part of me that doesn't even believe that the individual was the one who did it.
	That he might have been, steal the gun, shoot people, kill him, blame it on him.
	There's no video evidence of him pulling the trigger.
	And he's dead.
	Before anybody can talk to him.
	I would start interviewing those Saudis upstairs.
	Those Air Force guys on the 13th floor who bought the floor from the MGM Grand.
	The other big mystery here is the weird security guy.
	Oh, that guy who escaped.
	He fled, remember?
	When did he go to Mexico?
	And then he came back and then he did one interview.
	Yeah, he did the one interview with Ellen DeGeneres.
	Ellen DeGeneres.
	And she gives him a check.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's a very convenient cover-up interview.
	He never does another interview again.
	Was there four storylines initially, timelines involving him?
	First it was afterwards, then it was before, then maybe it was in the middle, then it was during.
	I mean, so they couldn't keep their story straight to save their lives on those kind of things.
	So there was clearly a wide range of issues.
	There, and he had an unusual background before that, and there were aspects of his history that didn't quite make sense.
	So there's the body camera footage that they held back out for a long period of time.
	They held the body camera, right?
	It's not the case that there was an Israeli embassy in the same hotel, or was it just the Saudi embassy?
	No, no, no.
	Not the MGM.
	The Saudis, there's the MGM Grand, Robert?
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	This was at the Mandalay Bay.
	I forget the name of the hotel.
	Mandalay Bay.
	Right.
	Okay.
	The Saudis had purchased a couple of floors that they used when they were in town.
	One floor or two floors.
	It's still in dispute.
	But they did purchase heavy-duty military hardware that week, and they were in town celebrating.
	And they were pilots who actually...
	And the Israelis did the same thing.
	A lot of nations do that.
	When they buy jets from us, they send their pilots here to fly them back.
	Apparently, Amazon doesn't deliver these jets.
	You've got to come pick them up, which I didn't know.
	And these guys were there to fly back the jets to Saudi Arabia.
	And they were partying or whatever they were doing while the shooting was or was not going on.
	So I would start there.
	Yeah, and there's basically every angle was always going to be shut down prematurely that could implicate Vegas.
	That's why instead they leaked stories claiming that he was looking at a bunch of other cities.
	That's the only, you know, and then they ended it and shut it down.
	And that's why they told the father's story initially and then it receded very quickly.
	Because the father's story implicated maybe he had an old motive, you know, the young kid stripped of his dad because of what happened in Vegas.
	You know, that story could implicate Vegas.
	And any story that said, Somebody might target Vegas because of something unique to Vegas meant tourism went bye-bye, and that was not an option.
	Well, Eric and I have been waiting for the FBI report to come back on the DNA on the bullets used in the Baldwin case.
	We're yet to hear the FBI's forensics return, right, Eric?
	What about the autopsy?
	The coroner's report, the autopsy.
	According to Alec Baldwin, who was ordered not to talk until the investigation was over, they haven't told February or March.
	Hold on, I've got to do this, by the way.
	Bigfoot and aliens.
	I don't even know.
	Is that what the guy says in the famous meme?
	I think it's about the meme.
	Bigfoot and aliens.
	Let's see where that goes.
	Very well done.
	Mark, did you just let a cat out of the bag?
	Because you said bullets in plural.
	In Baldwin.
	Do you know something that we do not know, sir?
	You're going to have to tune in on Friday.
	I can't help you here, David.
	We have a show on Friday.
	Tune in where, sir?
	At America's Untold Stories.
	That's right.
	I think it's 5.30 Eastern, 2.30 Pacific.
	I'm not sure about the rest of the flyover states, but do the math.
	Someone says the Saudi and Israeli embassy in the same building.
	Yeah, that's not going to happen.
	I don't think the embassies were in the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't find that to be truthful.
	I quickly Googled.
	There was also a Kabbad synagogue on the ground floor.
	There was a moil operating on kids.
	No, it's next to the mosque.
	Mark, they had adjoining doors with the mosque.
	The mosque was on the 12th floor.
	No, it's like adjoining suites.
	You have the mosque to the synagogue.
	The synagogue on the ground floor makes sense so that you wouldn't have to use the elevator on Shabbat.
	On Shabbat, right.
	Where was the last party center before the official 9-11 hijackers left?
	I mean, one of their first party centrals before they just started doing off to do their hijacking was Las Vegas.
	So, you know, Vegas pops up in all kinds of unique and interesting ways.
	Well, what happens in Vegas apparently doesn't stay in Vegas.
	They fly back to Saudi Arabia.
	Isn't there an Air Force Base right there, Robert?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Nellis Air Force Base.
	Nellis.
	Nellis, yeah.
	This is right in the right-hand corner.
	Big military.
	That's where they picked up their jets.
	You had Howard Hughes here, connected to the defense contractors, obviously organized crime, long-standing ties.
	Vegas was the money-laundering capital of the world for a long time.
	They've made that more difficult now.
	You know, it's still a center of activity.
	And of course, it's party central for a lot of criminal elements on top of that.
	So you just put all that together and Vegas just becomes a natural place for conspiracies to be touched in one way, shape or form at some time or another.
	It's the Paso Blanco of the United States, put it that way.
	And the problem is, Paddock may have...
	Then the Vegas shooter may have been somewhere connected to that.
	And Vegas didn't want anything connected to Vegas, so they wanted it killed quickly for their own reasons.
	And everybody else who don't know what paddock might have touched don't want that to get exposed either.
	And going back to Mark's point about the arms aspect, it was also very suspicious he was able to buy the amount of guns and bullets he purportedly bought.
	Didn't he have a trading license?
	Didn't he have an FTL license?
	He had to have had...
	But even the way that was going on, my view is inside the system, they must have listed him as government-supported at some level, put it that way.
	Because otherwise, they would have been all over him.
	So that was very suspicious from day one.
	His source of money was very suspicious.
	And when you tie it into real estate, gambling, and guns, you've got perfect money laundering opportunities out the wazoo.
	And that would be the more logical...
	We're going to be patriotic.
	Yeah, so you get to get into the war secretary and all that?
	Oh, yes.
	We're doing the whole thing.
	We're doing Mary Surratt's son who fled to Europe, came back years later, they let him go.
	Didn't he also escape through Canada somehow?
	Yes, he went up through Canada and somehow took a ship to Europe.
	Came back years later, they said, who cares anymore?
	The doctor who descended to CIA?
	But yeah, we're going to get into each of the characters in the Lincoln assassination and do a deep dive to prove that there can be presidential assassination conspiracies in the United States.
	So it says, my brother, father, grandfather, and I have all worked for the NASA and or Skunk Works.
	At a Burbank.
	People don't understand the physics, gravity, radiation, effects on electronics, etc.
	Fair enough.
	He's right.
	He's right.
	We don't believe you.
	You're a Nassau mole and you're trying to perpetuate the conspiracy.
	But a conspiracy theory that has just come and gone in terms of a commemoration day, what can we discuss about Martin Luther King Jr.
	Day?
	Wow.
	People forget there was an actual trial held in Memphis, Tennessee.
	The jury found a conspiracy, killed Martin Luther King, and that James O. Ray probably wasn't the person who pulled the trigger that killed him.
	I mean, James Earl Ray has Patsy tattooed on his forehead.
	And does he have a Patsy?
	And he had a nice Mustang too, right, Robert?
	Yeah.
	And he had a corrupted lawyer who pretended that he didn't coerce his plea.
	Watching his testimony before the House years later was fascinating.
	I never tell anybody to plea.
	I tell them the consequences if they don't.
	Well, all you've got to say is, how does this two-bit burglar end up with phony passports in England?
	I mean, come on.
	Come on.
	Give me a break.
	He wakes up one day and says, I got to kill Martin Luther King out of a bathroom window with phony passports and go to England?
	These freaking kids are driving me crazy.
	I do wonder who was on the inside of the MLK because MLK was like somebody at the hotel had to have been part of it because he wasn't ever supposed to be having a room facing out.
	Right, right.
	Back it up to the very beginning for people who don't even...
	I mean, we all know that Martin Luther King was assassinated.
	Some people say it was the FBI, whomever.
	Context.
	How did it happen the day of?
	Where was he staying?
	Why was he there?
	And how did it happen?
	Well, he was in town for an arbitrage strike, right, Robert?
	Yeah, a sanitation worker strike in Memphis, Tennessee.
	Memphis was run by the...
	Corrupt, corrupt political, or vestiges of the old corrupt political machine.
	Lorraine Motel was the place he was staying and an open balcony.
	Correct.
	But what he was supposed to have happened was April 4th, 1968, when he was shot and killed, he gave his famous I'm Not Fearing Any Man's sermon the night before.
	Yes.
	Because he had tried to keep the protest peaceful.
	Infiltrators had come in.
	And made it violent.
	And that made him enraged.
	And so he was like, we got to get disciplined.
	But he gave a great speech at a church that's still there.
	I actually saw Jesse Jackson give a commemoration speech there, a sermon there many years ago.
	The old school black church, great church.
	And that's where he said, you know, I've been to the, you know, I'm not fearing any man.
	I've seen the coming of the Lord, you know, et cetera.
	I used to have all of his little...
	All of his tapes.
	All of his speeches on little cassette tapes when I was a kid.
	It was one of my favorite little GIFs.
	And I can still hear those speeches.
	Just brilliant, brilliant.
	Of course, one of the greatest speech makers of all time.
	His father was a great orator too, wasn't he, Robert?
	Yes, he was.
	In fact, it was a family tradition.
	But the thing was, they booked that hotel.
	And originally, his people always booked rooms from the inside with no window facing the outside.
	And somebody switched it at the hotel and gave him a room on the higher balcony facing outside.
	And whoever did that...
	See, that should have never happened.
	And the fact that it happened tells you that it's just one of the many indicators that this was much bigger than one person pulling the trigger.
	And I'll ask the obvious question.
	He didn't want Windows facing the outside for security reasons.
	Yeah, there might have been.
	I'll get into the other possible reasons.
	Observation or targeting.
	Correct.
	How about that?
	Exactly.
	Neither one.
	So King, by the way, was very naive about his phones being tapped.
	People kept telling him his phones were tapped, and he was like, ah.
	Even though he'd already, by this point, the FBI had already faked.
	Tell David who signed the warrant for the phone tapping.
	Say that again?
	Tell David who signed the warrant for the phone tapping.
	It was the Attorney General of the United States.
	If you look at the document on the bottom, it says Robert F. Kennedy.
	Yeah, and Hoover was doing it en masse.
	There was the straightforward operation.
	The way they got Bobby Kennedy, a senior, to originally sign off was because, in fact, MLK was connected to some high-ranking communist officials.
	You're talking about Levinson.
	Levinson was a known communist.
	And in fact, JFK took Martin Luther King on a walk through the Rose Garden one day and said, you had to get rid of Levinson and explain to him.
	I can't support you any longer.
	Hoover is going nuts.
	And he says, I don't care about Levinson, but just to get Hoover off my back so I can help you, I am urging you to get rid of Levinson, and he wouldn't do it.
	King had a deep sense of personal loyalty that Trump, he didn't care about the politics.
	Now, what made him radioactive was when he shifted from civil rights to opposition to Vietnam War and more institutional corruption in American society.
	So talking about the Poor People's Campaign and trying to extend it and expand it to Appalachia.
	In fact, where you see James Elroy's book in his American tabloid trilogy in Bloods Are Over and Cold 6000 is the...
	What he does a great job of doing is showing you how King's speeches and Bobby Kennedy's senior speeches in 1968 were paralleling one another and were increasingly radical in their political language of challenging institutional corruption and that the real problem is sort of without saying it, an institutionalized deep state that's killing the country and corrupting the country.
	They had one mutual enemy and that was LBJ for both men.
	Not surprisingly, moments, literally weeks and days after he said, I'm not running for re-election, both men are dead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, and you look at the, and then they had Hoover and you had the CIA.
	Right.
	No, no, but Hoover was a pit bull under LBJ's chain.
	I mean, Hoover wasn't running wild under LBJ.
	I mean, he had him on a chain.
	And obviously, he had a thing for MLK, without a doubt.
	But hold on.
	Paul says, MLK, his entourage security, all failed to have noticed they were on a second floor balcony.
	How was Martin Luther King shot?
	What happened was, when they checked in, they were given different rooms than what was originally requested.
	And King was just not one of those people that pushed really hard about it.
	So yeah, they knew they were on a second floor balcony, but it wasn't what they originally booked.
	It wasn't their consistent protocol.
	So what it tells you is, it's kind of like the Kennedy assassination.
	I was going to say, like a different route that somebody was driving?
	Perhaps.
	Yeah, that's what they did.
	Right, you look at all JFK assassination.
	He goes a route he wasn't supposed to go.
	Robert Kennedy assassination.
	He gets led through a path he wasn't supposed to go back through.
	Martin Luther King assassination.
	He's in a room he wasn't supposed to be stationed in.
	It means key people on the inside had to play a facilitating role to make sure the assassination happened.
	And it's a sign of a broader action than one.
	Culprit than one lucky shot with a guy who leaves the gun behind.
	Speaking of leaving the gun behind, you see what this is, David?
	This is a clip from a Manlaker Carcano rifle.
	And when it's empty, it ejects onto the floor of the school book depository where it was not found.
	I'm going to have to piece that together afterwards.
	You're going to have to think about that.
	But in the meantime, I'm going to give you a look at this, which is a Minox spy camera that belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald that had photos of military installations in Minsk for a man who was a lone assassin and had no reason to even be there.
	But on this camera, he had military installations from Minsk, just so you know.
	Go on.
	Hold on a second.
	So how was Martin Luther King shot?
	Was it from another building?
	Was it from the street up?
	The bathroom from the hotel across the way.
	Is the official story.
	Yeah.
	Not a hotel.
	It was a single room occupant.
	I think the most credible claim is that it was behind a bush, as I recall.
	Oh, right.
	I forgot.
	Yeah, there is something about that.
	Yeah.
	And because of the nature of the shot and everything else.
	He got shot through the jaw, Robert?
	Did he get shot like up in here somehow?
	I'm trying to remember, but I don't remember that part.
	Yeah.
	But they didn't capture James Earl Ray until much, much, much later.
	Yeah, there's a Barclays Marathon all about that.
	I don't know if you've ever...
	No, I don't know about that, but he jumped into that Mustang and got out of there.
	No, he didn't.
	He was on foot and literally did a circle.
	They have a race there almost every year, and it's only been finished a handful of times.
	What happened to the Mustang convertible?
	Don't know.
	I mean, I know that he went.
	It's like a 30-mile loop.
	Like, three times they do it as a marathon.
	It's like the marathon that eats people or whatever.
	There's even a documentary about it.
	It's very famous.
	World famous runners and people like that try to do it.
	The guy who runs it is kind of crazy.
	What he does is he puts book pages at different points.
	They're not allowed to do anything but their own dead reckoning and a hand-drawn map.
	They can't have a compass.
	They can't have anything.
	How do you get to London?
	Do you take a phony passport and go to London and part of this race?
	I don't know.
	Or how he's in Mexico before that.
	And then where he overlaps with other people.
	And how do the same places keep...
	I mean, the other thing, it's probably not a coincidence that the towns are Memphis, Dallas, and...
	New Orleans.
	And then L.A. later on.
	Because these are places that are centerpieces of certain kinds of corruption in the United States at that time and place.
	Well, remember they tried in Chicago, but they didn't succeed.
	They tried in Miami, but in terms of JFK.
	This is when he escaped, by the way, from the penitentiary, after he had been caught.
	Oh, I got you.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Yeah, I didn't understand that.
	You've got to take control.
	It's out of control here.
	This is the control.
	It's controlled mayhem because people's minds are being blown.
	I still got to look into that carbine thing, Mark.
	It was about three minutes ago.
	I'm going to look into that.
	Ask yourself how a guy like Frank Sturgis ends up...
	Frank Sturgis!
	Frank Sturgis is just like one template of how deep state corruption works.
	Just study the life history of Frank Sturgis.
	Isn't his name really Frank Hernandez?
	Sturgis is a pen name.
	He's actually a Cuban, right?
	Sturgis is not his real name.
	He's got a Latino name.
	I thought he actually was Frank Sturgis, but occasionally he went with other aliases that were Cuban.
	I think he lived for a period not far from you, Eric.
	Where you live now, I think.
	Sturgis at one time was...
	He was born in Northern Virginia.
	Yeah.
	As Frank Angelino Fiorini.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sturgis is a pen name.
	Sturgis is a pen name.
	He was one of the plumbers.
	He was a plumber, Robert.
	Yeah.
	Well, and he's in the hills with Fidel in 1958.
	Yeah, I'd say.
	How's this guy?
	He's hanging out with Arafat.
	Ted Cruz's father.
	Ted Cruz's father, what Trump was implying by exaggeration.
	There's photos that I have of Ted Cruz's father passing out leaflets in the city of New Orleans by the trademark in front of Clay Shaw's building, the Fair Play for Cuba committee.
	And Ted Cruz's father was an operative working for U.S. intelligence.
	Grassy Knoll is obviously an exaggeration, but he was passing out leaflets with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans.
	That's already a little too close for comfort.
	I like the comfort of my basement.
	You know, I...
	Okay, let me just read this one, Chad, because John Rittenhorf says, The best theory I've seen to date about the JFK is a documentary called JFK The Smoking Gun.
	This guy doesn't deal with conspiracies but dives into the forensic facts and comes to a conclusion that no one is talking about.
	Totally bullshit documentary.
	The guy's a fraud from Australia.
	Ex-cop with a book called Mortal Enemy or some bullshit.
	Totally debunked.
	Next question.
	What was his thing?
	I forgot.
	I mean, I went through the whole thing a couple years ago.
	I remember the guy's like a drunken ex-cop in Australia.
	He's going to solve the assassination.
	Anytime there's somebody from another country involved with our assassinations, it's always a crock of shit.
	You could go to bat on that because they do not have access.
	That people like Robert and I and other people in this country have had their whole lives.
	Speaking of access, the camera that you just showed us, is that an authentic or is that a replica?
	That is a West German design by West German Intelligence Minox, the actual camera that was used by Lee Harvey Oswald and found, and I've got to open it up for you right there, the Minox.
	It comes with this lovely leather...
	But now I'm going to ask a stupid question, Mark.
	The actual type, not the actual camera.
	No, no, it's the actual type, right.
	It's not the actual camera.
	Although I do have an actual letter from Sirhan that Eric posted on our locals page yesterday.
	Sirhan denouncing me, which is a keeper.
	Not everybody gets an assassin or convicted assassin writing a letter firing them.
	I was fired by Sirhan after I got him paroled.
	Well, do elaborate on that for those of us who are watching now but didn't see the last week's episode with you and Eric.
	Oh, so I testified at the parole hearing and realized that every single parole hearing that he was rejected from, they try to relitigate the case.
	And as Robert and probably you know, when you go into parole, the last thing they want to hear is, I didn't do it because of A, B, C, and D, and Bobby Johnson did it.
	They don't want to hear that.
	And that's what happened with him 15 times.
	They went into mind control.
	They went into all this stuff.
	And the parole was rejected.
	And my angle on the situation was he had four Tom Collins, was in a blackout, shot the guy, and needs to be paroled because he was in a blackout and can't remember, so can't have remorse.
	And apparently this won the day.
	The commissioners literally said that to me.
	And he was temporarily paroled by the two commissioners until Newsom rejected it.
	But they talked about him going and being treated in AA in the prison.
	And we had a whole long discussion during the parole hearing, which is also on the transcripts that you can now look at.
	Right, Eric?
	On our locals page, we now have the transcripts of the hearing posted.
	And my testimony, my argument was he can't possibly have remorse while being in a blackout.
	Shooting a person under the influence of alcohol.
	He had four Tom Collins and was legally, the blood alcohol level was enormous.
	He's five foot four.
	I mean, five foot four and really tiny.
	Four Tom Collins has a lot of impact on somebody tiny.
	Yes.
	So the commissioner was an ex-cop.
	They're both ex-cops.
	So one of them had done a million blood alcohol tests and completely recognized the mathematics that I was putting out there in terms of blood alcohol and blackout.
	The level of his...
	Alcohol was the beginning of blackout stage in drinking.
	So anyway, it ends up where they vote to parole him.
	Later on, and I told them to just stay quiet, the defense team, but they couldn't do it.
	They had to get into a shooting war with the Kennedys, get involved in this media bloodbath, and they decided to cherry-pick my Twitter account.
	Take some of these tweets that I've humorously put on Twitter, show them to Sirhan, and get him to write a letter removing me from the defense team a month and a half after I had done this to help him win the parole day.
	So not every good deed goes unpunished.
	I was thinking about this the other day.
	Yeah, I got some tweets that someone could probably not use out of context, but could probably, you know.
	No, no, no.
	You don't know the team that did this.
	This was a Murderer's Row all-star team that Eric put up on the screen yesterday.
	This involved Suge Knight.
	This involved the two heads of the Aryan Nation.
	This was his advisory team that paraded him around the prison yard, David, hours after, unbeknownst to me, after that parole hearing when they announced that they were going to vote for parole.
	They lifted him up on their shoulders and paraded him around the prison yard victoriously.
	This Murderer's Row team of advisors in the prison in San Diego.
	Here's the question.
	Oh, yeah.
	That opens up a whole other set of conspiracies.
	Go ahead and load my screen, David.
	Notorious B.I.G., Tupac, Rampart Division.
	Load my screen, David.
	Before we get there.
	One question.
	First of all...
	Yeah, Suge Knight said Tupac that he was accused of...
	Here they are.
	This is the all-star team.
	This is the woman who is the prison advocate, Jenna Breyer, and her advisory, Sirhan's staff.
	These are the people that Newsom couldn't even let out.
	And he let out 700 murderers this year.
	These are the guys, two heads of the Mexican mafia, Suge Knight, and a pantheon of the top killers in the state of California.
	Yeah, here's one of the sweethearts.
	This is the main speaker.
	This was a guy who was the main advisor to Sirhan on how to beat the parole system.
	What was the guy?
	Do you remember his name, Eric?
	Yeah, it's Joel Baptiste, one of the top figures in the Aryan Brotherhood.
	He was the Aryan Brotherhood leader.
	Yeah, these are the guys that are still in prison, even with Newsom and Gasson operating in the state of California.
	So what's the reason for which Newsom overturned the parole, correct?
	His number one reason was his love of Bobby Kennedy, says repeatedly in the documents, that Kennedy was his hero.
	Go ahead and pull my screen again.
	I have it up.
	Yeah, maybe Eric has it.
	Yeah, the document here.
	Number one, and the first bullet point on number three, if you look right there, Robert, it says on the top right there, while in police custody, After his arrest in June 1968, Mr. Sirhan admitted that he had assassinated Senator Kennedy in a recorded statement.
	That's an absolute lie.
	That never happened.
	That's the first bullet point by Newsom in this document.
	That is a bold-faced lie, my friend.
	And then the second part, which is right below that, the evidence that Mr. Sirhan shot and killed Senator Kennedy in an act of premeditated, hold on, murder, is overwhelming and irrefutable.
	I just want you to remember that.
	How many books?
	How many movies?
	How many?
	He loves Bobby Kennedy so much that he's going to continue to cover up the real reason why he was killed.
	Yeah.
	These are two.
	I mean, the Noguchi autopsy was called the perfect autopsy by LAPD, the DA's office, the prosecution, Cyril Wecht, the United States Army.
	It was literally, quote unquote, called the perfect autopsy.
	Thomas Noguchi's autopsy of RFK, that he was shot point-blank range, behind the right ear, underneath his arm, and in his back from point-blank range.
	Robert, I want to get to what you just said a second ago.
	I'm just going to read this.
	I accept your criticism, but I call Occam's razor.
	What's more believable, some crazy conspiracy with many moving parts, or the simple chance that a Secret Service detail that had a negligent discharge in a follow-up car?
	So I'm not sure...
	I'm not sure what they're talking about there.
	I think this is defending the Australian movie, I have a feeling.
	Oh, I just remembered the guy's crazy theory.
	He was shot from behind by a secret...
	Dude, it's insane.
	The total thing's insane.
	That's what he was referring to, yeah.
	Setting that aside, Robert, what would have been the real reason for which Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated?
	Oh, I mean, if you go...
	My favorite trilogy is the American tabloid trilogy by James O 'Roy, who also helped write the screenplay for Rampart.
	Which played by Woody Harrelson, which reflects back on the Corrupt Ramparts division that's connected to Suge Knight, that's connected probably to the murders of Tupac.
	Again, unsolved murder in Las Vegas.
	Another Las Vegas connection.
	And then Notorious B.I.G., L.A., another L.A. connection to the Kennedy assassination in late 1968.
	And then, of course, Charlie Manson and everything controversial about what really happened.
	And that investigation and that indictment, you know, just, what was it, a year later, two years later?
	Well, Suge Knight said to Sirhan, he said, they've got you accused of killing a Kennedy.
	They're accusing me of killing Tupac Shakur.
	So he said he was able to relate to Sirhan.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what's amazing was, you know, Suge Knight had basically large parts of the Ramparts division on payroll.
	But I think the question is whether that was part of something even bigger, because this also connects to the explosion of crack cocaine in Freeway Rickey in the mid-1990s in LA.
	You know, is it a coincidence some of these same cities and same political apparatuses keep popping up over and over and over and over again?
	I don't think anyone is going to undermine or dare to contradict that, having seen what we've seen with the Whitmer kidnapping, the jailers, Oh, it was the guy who just did the podcast with Joe Rogan.
	I forget what his name was.
	Who said that the idea of agents provocateurs, whatever you call them, it's far-fetched.
	Why would they have been there on January 6th?
	We know historically, I guess going back to as far as long as these institutions have existed.
	Look at the Chicago 7 trial.
	Look how many agent provocateurs testified in open court that they worked on the Chicago 7 case.
	The FOIA file on PACCON.
	I mean, there's a Southern Poverty Law Center informant that was deeply embedded within the whole Oklahoma City apparatus.
	And ask yourself, why is a prominent, connected East German ex-spy in the middle of Oklahoma City and Elohim City that led up to Oklahoma City and all of that?
	And then he gets disappeared.
	They fly him out of the country.
	And going back to my man Frank Sturgis, I mean, why is he with a photo with a certain famous...
	Certain famous future pilot and some other people in Mexico City and then Porter Goss, former CIA director.
	Why is George Bush in Dallas filing tips to the CIA on November 22nd?
	What are the odds of that?
	I mean, it's just...
	Well, and the thing to think of, if you're the system, this is logical.
	Right.
	This is your defending your institutional interests.
	You're keeping people aligned in ways that are for their own benefit.
	They just don't realize it.
	And when it involves time or some other geographical distance, we have no problem seeing this for what it is.
	It's only when it's close to home that all of a sudden...
	Well, I think there's a direct correlation to their oppression today and the openness of the Internet leading average people to see these dots connecting them themselves.
	And that has forced them to be more...
	Aggressive, abrasive, and oppressive.
	I think there's a direct correlation behind that now.
	Oh, no doubt.
	And that's where disinformation comes in.
	And that's where you know, okay, we're going to get hit by people who are going to see what happened.
	So we'll...
	create a crazier story that sounds attractive, whether it's the QAnon phenomenon, whether it's just recent versions of it, the, uh, of, of these theories or the dominion theory that led everybody.
	We did a whole episode of the CIA and the media, Eric and I, and, and it's worse than it was back in 1977 because now it's not Frank Gibney, you know, uh, Alex Gibney's father at Newsweek anymore.
	Now it's movies, documentaries, TV, Anderson Cooper's, you know, the Philip Mudd's.
	It's just 24-7.
	Hannity's got a nice pin.
	Who?
	Hannity has a lovely pin.
	Hannity's got the pin on.
	I mean, I guess you get the free mug after a while.
	I don't know.
	You know.
	I mean, his father was CIA, too.
	I mean, that's odd.
	What am I seeing this for?
	I just had it up earlier, our friend Suge.
	It's a nice, flattering photo.
	Who, by the way, was also tangentially helpful for USC's national title run because he would be on the sidelines with Pete Carroll helping to recruit potential players.
	Is that true?
	Oh, yeah.
	You can find the old photos of Suge on the sidelines.
	Part of Pete Carroll's pitch was, hey, I'm going to get you connected to Suge Knight and the rap and the music industry.
	Come to USC and play football here.
	So that's where it all overlaps.
	I remember going to an old-school restaurant with an old-school FBI guy, an old Hoover FBI guy, who was telling me story after story, and the whole place was filled with girlfriends of USC football players that were getting paid quadruple the norm as a backdoor way to get cash in before NOIs were around.
	Hold on, I'm going to bring this up.
	Jasper T. Jones has said this earlier.
	Give or take watching and only 1,700 thumbs up.
	Hmm.
	Feds are watching.
	That's a joke, everyone.
	Go ahead.
	No, a lot of times.
	No, no, no.
	Feds and CIA have a super chat.
	If they're not watching, they're not doing their job.
	Attention, feds.
	That's how you got cards like these, you know.
	Right, right.
	I was surprised by who was tuning in.
	No, Mark and I have a rule.
	When CIA is watching, we expect super chats.
	Yeah, we'd like them to pay for the privilege of the entry.
	I haven't tried that.
	I have not tried that yet.
	Oh, I'm not even going to try to do it, Rick.
	I can't do it.
	We were talking about Wikipedia the other day.
	Go ahead.
	Going to Hollywood, what did you think of City of Lies?
	Because, I mean, that was an interesting movie.
	It's about the Tupac notorious B.I.G.
	assassinations.
	It has Forrest Whitaker in it.
	It has Johnny Depp in it.
	It was supposed to come out, remember, two years ago, and all of a sudden...
	Hollywood just dropped it.
	Oh, I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	They would distribute it.
	You could only get it on a DVD in Italy for a while.
	Okay, I'm going to make some phone calls after this show and get to the bottom of this.
	I didn't know that.
	I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
	It's now available on Amazon Prime, but they just did this quiet release a couple of months ago.
	But it was like, you look at the actors, it's about the cop who stumbled into it.
	Because that's a lot of people that unravel these, whether it's a Mark Lane, as we were talking about at the beginning, other people.
	They're people who just, often they're very naive.
	And they stumble into the conspiracy.
	Gary Webb, classic example of that.
	Yes, yes.
	Most of the reporters that uncover these extraordinary conspiracies were never covering conspiracies before.
	They're just reporters who follow their lead or investigators following their lead.
	And they're usually shocked by what they run into.
	The story of the whistleblower portrayed later by Rachel Weisz doesn't realize what she's stumbling into.
	We were talking about it with Inner City Press last time about the UN and deep involvement in human trafficking.
	And that's portrayed in...
	I don't have the home phone anymore.
	Mark, I ask the same questions.
	I wonder if I'm in trouble just hanging with you now.
	Oh, no.
	It's probably built by association.
	You know what I mean?
	People said, let's talk Tonga, but what's going on in Tonga?
	I have no idea.
	Some sort of volcano went off.
	Yeah, well, that's what I thought, unless someone's suggesting it was something else.
	But okay, no knowledge on Tonga.
	Let's assume we have 10 minutes left.
	We're going to keep it under two hours, or two hours.
	Somebody asked about Deep Throat.
	Deep Throat was a deep state hack for J. Edgar Hoover.
	That's who Mark Felt really was.
	Mark Felt was embittered that he didn't get the promotion, right, Robert?
	Exactly.
	One of Nixon's good things was to try to purify the FBI of Hoover.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And so he paid him back.
	And in fact, I made that argument to Ben Bradley years ago when he was at the Post.
	Because this was before it was known who Deep Throat was.
	And Ben Bradley, famous editor of the Washington Post.
	And I said, what if the reason you and Woodward decided...
	Not to disclose who Deep Throat was, wasn't to protect the whistleblower, but was to protect how your source would seriously raise questions about the credibility of the story, that your source was actually a corrupt source itself and not some honest whistleblower.
	JFK's mistress, Mary Meyer, a beautiful blonde, she looked like Marilyn Monroe, was murdered in a park while she was jogging, and Ben Bradley...
	Was her brother-in-law.
	And he went over to her house to get her diary where he found James Angleton from the CIA.
	Cord Meyer, her husband, worked for the CIA.
	So Angleton was there looking for the diary and Ben Bradley ran into him.
	And I thought, what a cluster F this thing is, right?
	What are you doing here?
	You know.
	Exactly.
	I had one question about Deep Throat.
	I'm going to ask the stupid question.
	Was he named after the Linda Lovelace movie or was the movie named after him?
	No, no, no, no.
	He was named after the movie.
	Why?
	The movie was popular at the time.
	Yes.
	You want to know what Deep Throat is?
	Yeah, do we have to?
	You want to know what Deep Throat actually is, David?
	No, no, no.
	I know the plot of the movie.
	I know the plot of the movie.
	Oh, you do?
	Okay.
	You don't need to...
	Okay, I'm in trouble now.
	One Watching Now came right up when you said the CIA are watching.
	Did anyone else catch that?
	Oh, One Watching Now came up...
	Okay, I don't know if that's a joke or not, but hold on.
	Nebio, I like this.
	This convo reminds me of my parents' and grandparents' parties when I was a kid.
	They knew so many people and so much stuff.
	The convos' conversations were fascinating.
	You hope they forgot you were in the room so they'd keep talking.
	Well, except we're wearing clothes.
	Those people were completely naked at the time.
	And they were in the 70s.
	I'm sure they were on acid.
	But the same.
	Definitely the same.
	Do I even want to read this one, James?
	Denmark got drunk.
	I fooled around with a statue.
	I don't know what this...
	Somebody confessing their crimes or something?
	Yeah, I've got to look that up.
	I want to try to have Nick Cersei on.
	Let's do this.
	I'm going to screenshot this so I don't forget.
	Let us pregnant pause, Viva.
	We're talking about the sequel to Deep Throat.
	Well, no, that prevents the pregnancy, folks.
	Speaking of the January 6th stuff, I think that the people, it's interesting watching people like Darren Beatty and others try, Julie Kelly and others try to sort of unravel these kind of things.
	But that's why I've always told people, go back and study how these things work in general.
	She should be getting a Pulitzer Prize, but in reality, the world is reversed now, so the New York Times gets a Pulitzer Prize.
	If you read The Grey Lady Winked, which came out in October, a great book about the history of the New York Times, in 1939 on their front page it says Poland invades Germany.
	You've got to read that story because that guy got the Pulitzer Prize for buying into the propaganda from the Third Reich, who is the source of his story.
	And literally it says that Poland invaded Germany in 1939 that day and that Germany had to retaliate.
	Or, obviously, covering up the horrendous Ukrainian famine that the New York Times did, for which they also got Pulitzer Prizes.
	The Homo Auditor, I believe.
	Cass Arthur says, Gruber would probably think Tommy Robinson's upcoming documentary on the blank of Britain is a conspiracy theory.
	No, I don't think anyone here would think about that.
	I think we've followed that story enough to know.
	That's not so much...
	Those are interesting stories about the cultural politics of what's taking place, but it doesn't go to the heart of institutional power, in my view.
	That's why those stories are interesting to me, but they're nowhere near as interesting to me as other deeper institutional power stories about shaping, creating mass formation psychosis in the United States and the world as it's currently.
	Did you say mass formation psychosis?
	AP did a fact check.
	It doesn't exist.
	Which is, of course, I thought it was a Babylonia headline.
	No better proof that mass formation psychosis exists than the institutional press tells you.
	It doesn't exist.
	The fact checks are here.
	Nothing to say.
	Move on.
	Someone has said, it's a legitimate comment.
	It should not be called psychosis.
	It's confounding two things, one of which is a legitimate mental illness.
	I'd call it mass formation hypnosis.
	Well, he did say hypnosis in the interview.
	He did refer to it.
	I forget which fact check it was.
	This is talking about Robert Malone on Joe Rogan.
	And they said...
	Malone suggested that mass formation psychosis was the reason why people were denying the vaccine efficacy.
	I was like, holy crap, you didn't even have to watch the interview.
	Just a highlight, you would have known he wasn't talking about- Well, I drilled down a little bit as to who these fact checkers were a couple months ago, and they're former freelance writers for Penthouse and the LA Weekly and guys who couldn't get a job when these publications collapsed.
	So they're not exactly a great source, the fact checkers.
	I mean, look, we know what happened at Snopes.
	I'm not going to denigrate people who sit at home in their basement and Google stuff to find the truth.
	They're just hacks.
	And they spin things with terminology.
	First of all, I don't even know that they watched the original source because everyone knows who saw it.
	What's his name?
	Robert Malone was talking about how Germany descended into the madness through mass formation psychosis.
	Nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccine.
	So it's a lie.
	Most people don't even know it, and most people don't care.
	I've had too many discussions with people who just don't care, and it doesn't go anywhere good.
	By the way, Robert Barnes was introduced to the history of Snopes and the owner and his illustrious wife in America's Untold Stories, Finding the Dots, part three of the Alec Baldwin series.
	Right.
	We had a picture of her up, didn't we, Eric?
	Wasn't there?
	This is Snopes.
	I could have picked moving pictures of her, but I would be kicked off of YouTube.
	Oh my.
	Yes, they're out there.
	This is Snopes.
	Who fact-checks the Snopes family?
	How do they get fact-checked?
	You know what's amazing is that whole Snopes sub-story reminded me of right out of LA Confidential where I got the title Hush Hush from.
	Danny DeVito's character.
	Always on the QT.
	Off the record and very, very hush, hush.
	You have to have that character out there, right?
	I mean, that's what the National Enquirer guy has been for various select people that paid him the right money in the right places.
	Oh, David Pecker.
	Mark's former boss.
	Yeah, I worked over there.
	I was hired the week...
	The anthrax killed the photo editor in Florida at AMI.
	David Pecker brought me in.
	The guy was killed by the anthrax killer who turned out to be a government operative.
	Right, Robert?
	Yes.
	Who actually got a medal from Bush for doing so good.
	Then he killed himself, I think, later on.
	Yeah, well, right around the time that he could talk and tell stories.
	Right.
	He Epstein himself before Epstein Epstein himself.
	That's right.
	You know, Pecker had an interesting operation because he made me the editor, David, of the Weekly World News.
	And I had to become the official Bat Boy editor.
	And I had to write about Bat Boy.
	And anything you covered in the Weekly World News or the Inquirer, you had to go into a Quonset hut.
	In that Quonset hut was 50 attorneys that you had to go before.
	And if you were the subject, if your articles were the subject of a lawsuit, not only were you responsible, you were immediately fired.
	So anything you wrote had to go be vetted by this room of 50 American media incorporated attorneys that vetted every National Enquirer and even the Weekly World News articles, which were crazy anyway.
	I was going to talk about the one fact check.
	Oh, yeah.
	Speaking of the fact checkers.
	Hack checkers.
	Ooh.
	What is that, a separate job?
	No, no, no, no.
	The one that they were also talking about, Robert Malone, his role in developing mRNA technology.
	And they say that he lied about his credentials.
	He purported to be the inventor of mRNA.
	And then the fact check itself, you get three paragraphs in, it says there's some truth to his claim as to being one of the architects, but a lot of people contributed to it.
	There were a lot of research.
	Yada, yada, yada.
	It's...
	We all know this.
	Fact-checkers are liars.
	Snopes, if nobody knows the nitty-gritty, it's worth reading into.
	But yeah, not for this time.
	Before we end it, people, we're going to go a little over two hours.
	Mark and Robert, where can people find you?
	Well, I'm at Lord Buckley.
	Apparently, I'm both Twitter and Getter now.
	I'm on both of these things.
	Also, I'm the co-host with Eric at America's Untold Stories.
	Which seems to be like a regular gig now, apparently.
	Based on some of the comments in this chat, we might have to make a monthly regular gig out of this.
	Yeah, this might be fun.
	We should do this on a regular basis.
	Otherwise, it's going to go for hours.
	No, well, that's the thing.
	And I need time to, like, bone up on my information from some of the stuff I've learned here.
	I have some casting couch things I've got to do, David.
	I don't have time.
	I'm in Hollywood.
	I don't have time for this.
	But Eric made me do this.
	Who is Lord Buckley?
	I mean, I know you mentioned it before, but who's Lord Buckley?
	We're going to do a show on Lord Buckley.
	Lord Buckley was an underground performance artist in Hollywood who influenced Lenny Bruce and a lot of others.
	He operated with a black patois with a British pit helmet and rewrote such...
	Documents is the Gettysburg Address and Joan and the Whale, and he was the guy that obviously Bill Cosby stole his act from, the Naz, and a legend among comedians.
	Let me just put it that way.
	Okay.
	And no, by the way, we got to cut these to two hours so that people actually have the...
	Their appetite has been whetted so that they can insist and desire to come back for more.
	And also, whetted.
	Because, by the way, Wet Your Appetite is W-H-E-T.
	It's actually, like, not a W-E.
	Eric, where can they find you?
	You can find me, American Sun Told Stories.
	You can find me, Eric Hunley.
	Hunley Eric on Twitter and Getter.
	Or, most importantly, unstructured.locals.com.
	I'm going to bring this one up because I'm old enough to remember this happening in the real time.
	Oh, right, yeah.
	Right, that's right.
	20% of USA uranium to Russia via a Canada businessman.
	That's right.
	It was not me, ladies and gentlemen.
	Not you.
	Robert.
	You say.
	Where can people find us, sir?
	Yes, so if you want more of this kind of exclusive content, and you can go to the Hush Hush content series at vivabarneslaw.locals.com, where we discuss a lot of these kind of topics on a regular basis.
	All right, people.
	Winston is my spirit animal.
	Please make this a regular thing.
	Four of six of my favorite YouTube personas are here.
	Add the Duran, and you've got all six.
	We can make it happen, people.
	You may have too many people.
	I've seen some of those shows where it's just too many.
	Four seems like the limit of anything.
	Four seems like the limit of meaningful discussion.
	If it's a massive trial, you don't tan in there and whatever.
	Crazy.
	I was going to say something.
	Okay, so by the way, and plug away for Friday because you've got exclusive stuff on the album.
	Oh yeah, this Friday, this Baldwin episode is going to be a blockbuster even by our standards.
	We've got some internal crew members that are now starting to come out of the woodwork.
	Let me just say that.
	Internal crew members and there's a lot of finger pointing.
	I don't know who's correct, who's not correct.
	It just dropped today.
	I just got it today.
	I mean, we weren't even going to do the show and it just...
	We're trying to get out of this mess, David.
	I saw your last episode and it's the thing that you don't want to become the Baldwin channel.
	No, I said that.
	I don't, but it's just a gift that keeps on giving.
	I mean, I wish they would arrest him and put him in jail already so we could move on.
	Then I could go to his parole here.
	We have other shows to do.
	No, but I'll tell you one thing.
	Baldwin is reading Hannah Guterres Reid's lawsuit and he's saying, my goodness, did she just deliver a present to me for Christmas late or early?
	Because I have my own conspiracy theories.
	That Hannah Guterres Reid lawsuit reads so badly.
	I question what the motivation was to file that lawsuit now before the investigation has even been closed.
	I question and wonder if there's undue pressure.
	It's a court of public opinion piece.
	Who's reading that and thinking anything better of Hannah Guterres Reid now?
	Chap and redirect.
	Look up Chap and redirect.
	She's trying to counter certain key people.
	That's what that's about.
	There's all kinds of international warfare going on here below the surface.
	The least significant or the least protected politically of probably some of the targets.
	That's why she's using this as her only way to get out there.
	And by putting it in a court of law, you allow it to be publicly...
	Anybody can discuss it publicly without the suit.
	It's interesting.
	But I'll tell you one thing.
	I have an open mind, and I was inclined to be the least harsh on Hannah Guterres-Reed.
	But reading that lawsuit, she's made some admissions now that I just would never have made.
	And having made them...
	But she knows...
	My guess is she knows the institutional decision makers already have that intel, and they probably have a worse version of it.
	So that's where she's not playing to the court of public opinion conventionally.
	She's playing to a very specific group of public opinion.
	Yeah, it's like a game of musical chairs, David.
	When that music stops, there's not going to be an extra chair.
	And they're all doing a dance while the music is going on, trying to get that chair.
	And someone's not getting a chair at the end, I think.
	Okay, well, that is a phenomenal point that I had not thought of, and now I feel stupid.
	So, we're going to end this on me feeling stupid.
	I'm being tongue-in-cheek.
	That's a phenomenal point that she might know worse facts.
	And so, it's minimizing the damage.
	Okay, well, Lord Buckley, sir, and Sir Eric Hundley, we will be watching Friday.
	We will do this again, people, because this is fantastic.
	I think people like this.
	I don't know.
	There's just so many topics.
	We've got a million of these.
	Robert and I go for days.
	One day I might just sit in the back and watch you guys go.
	No, you're good too.
	We like you.
	Look at your hair.
	They need an audience.
	They need a live audience.
	We need a monitor.
	Someone who's got common sense.
	If I can do nothing else, I can moderate.
	Look at this.
	How do we...
	Look what I just did.
	I screwed it up.
	Right.
	This is what you're good at, David.
	I effing loved it.
	Okay, no, we're doing it again, people.
	We'll do it again, regularly.
	But Eric, Robert, Mark, stick around.
	We'll say our proper goodbyes.
	Everyone in the chat, thank you.
	Click some of the stuff, share it around, and let people know what's going on.
	Let me just take this off for a second.
	Thanks, Viva.
	Okay, great.
	And everyone else, enjoy the rest of the week.
	Sunday stream coming up.
	Next week, we might have some good guests.
	Oh, yeah.
	We have some guests coming up.
	All right, Pete.
	Peace out, everyone.

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