The Unexplained - Howard Hughes - Edition 801 - Jason McLeod

March 30, 2024 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 801 - Jason McLeod

An item from the radio show , Demonologist Jason McLeod - emapth and paranormal investigator - who trained under world-famous Ed and Lorraine Warren. He's got a stack of remarkable tales to relate - some connected to his well-received book "Dark Siege"...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast.
	My name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Unexplained.
	Two words to say, really, at the start of this, happy Easter, and it's nice to be back here with you.
	I had to take a week or so out of things, away from the podcast and away from the radio show, although they played some repeat items, or as they call them on coast-to-coast AM in America, encore presentations.
	So literally, we didn't have any discontinuity in the shows.
	They just carried on.
	A couple of things have been happening, and thank you very much for all of your kind words about my absence.
	Number one, I've been helping my sister out.
	She quite rightly doesn't want me discussing her details here, but she's had a few things to deal with, and I went to assist her.
	But also, as regular listeners will know, I've been having hearing problems lately, and that stems from an accident, incident that happened in a television studio just over 18 months, where extremely loud sound was poured into my ears, leaving me with a loud level of ringing that subsided to an extent.
	But these things, as those of you who have this, and I know there are so many people who do, they ebb and they flow.
	And at the moment, it's particularly difficult.
	So I'm using a different microphone to record this edition, and I'm trying very hard to keep the sound balance, and the way that I sound, the way that it always does.
	I know that I'm in good company with Tinnitus.
	Not only do a lot of you have it, and you email me about it, but famous people like William Shapner and Barbara Streisand apparently have Tinnitus.
	But some names that you would be surprised by, people like Chris Martin from Cold Play, a whole cavalcade of famous people, and millions upon millions around the world of unknown people like me have this ringing in the ears, an increased sensitivity.
	You never quite know what the day is going to bring.
	So at the moment, I'm struggling with it, and that's another reason why I just had to step back for a little.
	I'm going to have to see how things go.
	But as you know, broadcasting and speaking into a microphone has been my life for as long, almost as I've been alive.
	I started recording things when I was a kid.
	I've never stopped.
	It's the way that I've made my living.
	So I have to find ways to continue.
	So that explains it.
	I don't want to be a downer on your Easter, especially as the fact that a period of torrential rain seems to have stopped in the last hour here in London.
	And the sun is beating through my window at the moment.
	So I'm going to get things back on track.
	The guest in the next edition of The Unexplained is Ron Felber, and a case that I can only liken to the exorcist that he's written about, the case of Clara Fowler.
	And there are so many strands to it, I think you're going to be interested in it.
	I'm going to have to work very hard when I speak with Ron Felber to make sure that we bring out every nuance of this.
	He's got a new book about the curious case of Clara Fowler.
	But on this edition of The Unexplained, to bring us back up to speed with stuff that's been on the radio, I want to just let you hear the conversation that I had a couple of weeks ago with Jason McLeod, paranormal investigator, spiritualist, empath.
	28 years he spent helping individual families deal with both the human spirits who linger in their lives, the inhuman spirits who seek to ruin them.
	His training and experience, according to his biography, began by following in the footsteps of his close friends and mentors.
	We've heard this name, or these names before on this show, Ed and Lorraine Warren, of course, from The Conjuring Case, and many, many others.
	So this man is directly connected with them and quite a heritage and legacy, if you want to call it.
	So that's what we're going to do on this edition of The Unexplained.
	Don't forget, these are interesting times.
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	I'm not entirely sure how all of that is going to go.
	If there are any changes in it all, if the radio show fails to appear one week, I will communicate with you both on this podcast and also through my Facebook page, the official Facebook page of The Unexplained with Howard Hughes.
	So if you need to know, if I disappear one day or anything happens, if you need to know what's going on with the radio show, remember, the first place to go is the official Facebook page.
	You will also hear about it because I will talk about it on the podcast.
	And the podcast is available to you at my website, theunexplained.tv.
	Very grateful to Adam.
	He's still working on this show after all of these years, and he's going to make sure that the shows that I'm doing at the moment get out to you even over Easter.
	So the seasons change in the UK, and it's a difficult transition at the moment.
	We've had storms.
	We had a thing called Storm Nelson here that battered ships in the English Channel and other places and caused snow in Devon, where I was, what, 10 or 11 days ago, 12 days ago.
	So we had an interesting initiation into spring, but I've got a feeling with the appearance of the sun today that the weather has begun to turn a corner.
	As we say here in London, famous last words.
	It's probably going to snow again.
	Who knows?
	Okay, so the guest on this edition from my radio show, it's a slightly shorter edition, this, is Jason McLeod, paranormal investigator, spiritualist, and empath.
	He has a ton of interesting things to say.
	If you missed this on the radio show or you want to hear it again, it's here for you now in perpetuity.
	This is Jason McLeod.
	Let's get to him now.
	Jason McLeod, thank you very much for coming on.
	How are you?
	It's great to be here and it's great to be in the UK.
	Are you a demonologist, Jason?
	I am.
	I was trained under Ed Warren, the late legendary Ed Warren as a demonologist.
	And it's a scary title, but it's basically studying how these dark forces weave their way into our lives and how best to prevent it.
	So there are dark forces.
	Absolutely.
	And how, in your lifetime, talk to me a little biographically about yourself.
	What's your background and how did you get into all of this?
	Sure.
	Well, I'd always believed in ghosts.
	I was always studying spirit phenomena, even in the middle school and high school libraries.
	I was really just, my mind was like a sponge.
	I was just really trying to delve into what's going on.
	And I had read The Demonologist, which is Ed and Lorraine Warren's most terrifying cases.
	They all predated when I got involved, of course, but that scared me for the families involved, especially the children, because no child should have to experience The horrors that were taking place in these cases.
	And I put the book back on the shelf again as a senior in high school.
	And even though I lived in Connecticut at the time, and the Warrens were less than 25 minutes away in Monroe, in a town that I used to live in when I was younger, I just didn't feel like I was going to get involved at that point.
	But the seed was planted.
	And interestingly enough, I wanted to go to Emerson College in Boston for English creative writing, but I ended up going to Eastern Connecticut State University because my dad was paying for the tuition and he didn't think I would make it as an author.
	And that was logical to assume that.
	But the interesting thing is that the entire freshman class had to read Life After Life by Dr. Raymond Moody as English 101 required reading.
	And it was Dr. Raymond Moody's the most famous of all near-death experience hypnotic regression therapists.
	And that blew me away because if people want to understand spirit phenomena, just understand, just go read about near-death experiencers and how they, what they experience when their conscious awareness vacates the human body.
	So I was totally hooked.
	And it was four years later, I was with my friend Lou.
	And well, three years later after that, in my friend Lou and his car, we're listening to the radio.
	And this is 1990, talking about a case that the Warrens were investigating.
	And I turned to Lou and I said, that'd be so cool to work with them.
	And he said, yeah, no kidding.
	And the next night he called me and told me that Ed Warren had called him personally.
	I was like, what?
	And Ed at the time was seeking a medic for his team of investigators.
	And Lou was a former combat medic in the Army with rank of captain and was a current paramedic in Norwalk, Connecticut.
	And the chief of the EMS recommended Lou, so he gave Ed Lou's phone number and he invited Lou to their Monday night class.
	And I said, you have to get me in there.
	It's time.
	It wasn't time three years or four years earlier when I'd read The Demonologist, but it was time now.
	And I attribute that to the universal law of intention and the universal law of conscious manifestation.
	That'd be so cool to work with them.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	And it was amazing.
	And he told Lorraine all about the synchronicity.
	And it's a synchronicity, not a coincidence.
	And meaning the universe or God or our angels or guides or higher selves are orchestrating this whole thing to take place.
	And he told Lorraine all about the synchronicity and she nodded and she said, okay, we'll invite Jason next Monday.
	And the first question she asked me after introducing herself was, how strong is your faith, honey?
	Looking right through me, bro.
	And my instant response was, I have immense faith.
	I believe that I and the Father are one, as are we, as we all are.
	Most people just don't understand that.
	We're all connected permanently to the creator of all that is because we're part of the creation.
	We could never be separate.
	But she nodded and she asked, why do you want to get involved in work of this nature, meaning paranormal phenomena?
	And I explained, everybody, the demonologist, and I was terrified for the families, especially the children, and I want to help.
	And she asked, so it's a calling then.
	And I said, yes, I believe so, and welcomed me in.
	And she sent Lou and I in our first case the next night, representing them by ourselves.
	And again, I was like, what?
	You know, this is just completely mind-blowing how quickly this whole thing moved into place.
	How fascinating.
	I think you're doing this on a phone, Jason.
	Can you be a little closer to the mouthpiece on it just so that you can be heard a little more clearly if that's possible?
	But we're fine.
	Ed and Lorraine Warren, most people know them in connection with the conjuring movies, The Conjuring House.
	Andrea Perrin is a personal friend of mine, and I've had many, many conversations with her and spent some time with her in the U.S. last year.
	And we discussed the events at The Conjuring House and the involvement of Ed and Lorraine Warren.
	Did you have any conversations with them about that, which was their most controversial and most famous case?
	I don't know if it was their most famous case.
	I have nothing to do with that case.
	I wasn't involved at that time.
	I do know Andrea myself and her father, Roger.
	I've conversed with them many times at the different paranormal conventions and Sweet Lady, of course.
	And there's a lot of controversy there.
	I guess there's a lot of bad feelings about Ed provoking the spirits, but that's how you determine what level of power you're dealing with.
	And I don't know the particulars of the case.
	I know they've gotten a lot of bad press, especially lately, but my experience with them has been nothing but positive.
	And I know that Lorraine was always very concerned for the safety of her investigators.
	Ed was very serious as well.
	I don't know what really took place.
	There's two different sides of that story.
	And I can't comment because I wasn't there.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	Your involvement with them, your meeting with them.
	Did you have conversations with them about why they did what they did?
	No.
	So talk to me about the things that you did with them, your experience of them.
	Sure.
	So the first class was amazing.
	It was a Monday night class inside their home, inside the museum, which is, well, an outbuilding next to the museum aspect of that outbuilding on their property.
	And there were about probably 20 very serious investigators.
	And this is before the internet and before selfies and before television shows and conventions and all these types of things.
	There was no motive at all other than trying to unlock the secrets of the universe and trying to, you know, witness phenomena for themselves and so forth, working with the Warrens.
	So they were going over the several different cases that were under investigation at the time, and they would always send, you know, the investigators or their students to investigate them.
	And a new case came in, and that was a woman and her husband, a man and woman, bought an old home.
	They had a newborn baby, and they claimed that every evening through the wall in their bedroom came this full-fledged apparition of a woman who walked, ignored them completely, walked down the hallway into the baby's room where the crib was sitting, stopped in front of the crib, scared the baby out of its wits, and walked through the wall, through the crib and through the wall and disappeared every evening like clockwork.
	And so they sent Lou and I there.
	And I was very excited, of course.
	I set up an old-fashioned VHS camcorder, and it was aimed at the wall, and I drew all The blinds in the room and lit some candles.
	And Lou and I, and the husband and wife, waited down the hallway in the baby's room, waiting to see this apparition walk down the hallway while the cameras aimed at the wall where she was allegedly coming through every evening.
	And we all heard this big clacking sound, big like a hands smacking together, and a bright blue flash of light had gone off in that room, like lightning had gone off.
	And we all looked at each other with our mouths hanging slack and confirming that we all saw it.
	And we did.
	And I said, okay, this is the portal opening.
	This is the doorway or the window in time.
	And here we're going to see this woman go walking down the hallway.
	And nothing happened, sadly.
	But upon entering the room, we all smelled a sickly sweet almond smell.
	We didn't know what to make of that.
	And we retreated back into the baby's room again.
	And exactly 30 minutes later, there was another crashing sound, another light, both of which were half as intense.
	And the smell was half as intense upon re-entering the room.
	And then nothing happened for the remainder of the evening.
	So we're gravely disappointed, obviously.
	But we wanted to put the tape into the machine to see what we what the tape, what the recorder captured, and nothing.
	We heard my voice saying, we've just experienced the second flash of light, and there was no light other than the candles flickering.
	But then Lou turned white as a ghost, pun intended, and said, do you hear that?
	What?
	And it's a heartbeat.
	So he detected a heartbeat.
	And it was so faint that we would have missed it, but he's trained to listen for very faint heartbeats.
	He detected not one, not two, but three distinct types of heartbeats.
	And he was completely, you know, crazed.
	He was really, really shaken up.
	That's understandable.
	By the sounds of it, whatever it was there seemed to be aiming itself at you both.
	Yes.
	We were all disappointed.
	We didn't get to see the light.
	But when we dropped the tape off the next day and then Monday night class, Ed and Lorraine went over that tape and explained what was going on.
	And Lorraine explained that the spirit of the woman obviously was there, but she was not going to give us any evidence on the camera aside from projecting that blue light directly into our pineal glands.
	So bypassing our physical eyes, bypassing the aperture of the camera.
	So what I try to convey to people is that, and Lorraine always said this too, she said that all hauntings begin in the mind.
	So our pineal gland has always been called the third eye throughout history.
	It's got rods and cones.
	It's photosensitive.
	It's how we have full color dreams in a pitch black room with our eyes closed.
	And it's how we daydream and see movies in our minds.
	It's our interdimensional interface, if you will.
	And this is how we receive intuition and just know things and psychic abilities and so forth.
	So it's all projected into the mind.
	So she wasn't going to give us her image, but she was going to give us, she gave Lou the heartbeat.
	We would have missed it completely.
	Ed would have picked it up because he's just trained to listen for any anomalies.
	But Lou picked it up and it scared him out of his mind.
	He was practically out the door, didn't want to continue being a paranormal investigator, even though he'd seen physical horrors.
	But the images were projected into our minds.
	And how do we have, if we're sitting in our home alone, to give your audience an example, if you're sitting in your home alone and you hear creaking floorboards above you, how is this possible?
	There's no physical weight being applied to the floorboards above you to cause them to creak.
	There's nobody in the house of substance, but the creaking floorboard sounds or the creaking doors or the names being called out of thin air are all just being projected into our minds to get our attention.
	That's fascinating.
	And look, I've only had one ghost experience in my life, and it was where I saw at a place I was working during a radio show.
	I went out to the bathroom, came back, and standing outside was a man you might call a building caretaker.
	That's how he was dressed, 1960s, 1970s style.
	And he was as clear as if you were with me here, Jason, in this room, as that.
	He was three-by-dimensional, and he was real.
	And just as I opened my mouth, my jaw lowered to say, hello, I didn't expect to see anybody here at this time of night, he vanished in front of me, and apparently I didn't know this, but other people in that building had had the same experience.
	And I've thought and thought and thought about that.
	And the only conclusion that I can come to, and maybe you can give me your thoughts about this, is that somehow that guy had worked there, as they believed he had, while that tower that I was in, that radio tower, was being built.
	And he had imprinted himself upon that building somehow and was able to project, or whatever energy was there, was able to project itself into my mind.
	How else could you explain it?
	Right.
	So regarding ghost phenomena, what is a ghost?
	Okay.
	It's we're fields of awareness where we're formless awareness temporarily animating a physical body or vehicle or avatar, if you will, before that movie came out and made the name so popular, to an interface within this very narrow frequency band called visible light.
	It's the only thing that we can perceive with our physical eyes.
	We can see 1%, less than 1% of the electromagnetic spectrum.
	And so we're 99% oblivious to everything that's really going on around us energetically.
	And people say, if I can't see it, it doesn't exist.
	Well, that's kind of really ridiculous to say if you can only really perceive 1% of what's going on.
	So there's also a lot of thought behind quantum physics that through quantum physics that nothing is physical, everything is vibration, everything is frequency, just like Nikola Tesla said.
	So if that's the case, and everything really is an energetic state, that nothing's truly physical, when you have a tragic death scenario, for instance, of the man being maybe killed in that tower, a good number of people who leave their bodies are in a great deal of shock and they don't enter the light that opens up for Everybody, which is really our exit.
	Instead, they turn and turn away from it and decide to continue to be attached to the persons, places, or situations, or locations, or circumstances of their lives, their former physical lives.
	In this case, it's very similar to somebody who's been playing a role in a Shakespearean play for a decade.
	They're so enamored with the role and the costume and their lines and the play itself that when the play actually ends, they don't take their costume or their makeup off.
	They're continuing to believe they're still in the same role instead of crossing over and leaving.
	Eventually, everybody leaves and decides, you know, especially if they're helped, of course, to vacate the place where they're haunting is the term.
	And as we come to the end of this segment of the conversation, I'm just very keen to get this in before we have to take commercials here.
	Do you believe that the process, it sounds like you do, the process of ghosts projecting themselves into our minds is the same process that occurs when we have problems with spirits, for example, I don't know, things that might throw items around the place or move drinks across a bar or have other impacts or even more sinister impacts than that.
	Is it all the same thing?
	It's all the same thing.
	These are beings that are, these are, they're operating outside of our range of perception, and therefore we can't perceive them.
	So we'll see the drink sliding across the bar because that's all that we can perceive.
	But we don't perceive the energy that's being projected by the spirit or the consciousness or formless awareness manipulating the bottle.
	So all that we see is the physical object that we're able to perceive.
	And it's enough to get our attention, sure.
	And that's usually what the intention is.
	If it's a nefarious spirit or a very negative spirit, especially a demonic spirit whose goal is always to terrorize us and to have us emit as much fear energy as possible that they then use as a fuel source, that's a different matter altogether.
	But they're able to, a human spirit can manipulate an object up to several pounds in weight, one or two pounds only.
	If it's something heavier than that, you're dealing with something that's inhuman, or there's an entire range of beings too, including interdimensional beings, right, that aren't even really from this third dimension.
	They've never incarnated here.
	It's not just human spirits or demonic spirits, but there's an entire range of spirits and intelligences that are imperceptible to us.
	When I asked you the question first of, are you a demonologist?
	You said yes.
	That's a pretty heavy term, isn't it?
	Can you define what that is?
	Sure.
	And I trained under Ed Warren, the late legendary Ed Warren.
	He was one of seven demonologists in North America, the only non-ordained one that was recognized by the church at the time.
	And he taught me much of what he knows.
	Nobody ever teaches anybody all of what they know.
	But we basically, a demonologist is somebody who studies theology because this is not paranormal.
	When you get into the realm of demonology, it's not paranormal.
	It's theological.
	These beings have existed since before recorded history.
	That's why they're called preternatural instead of supernatural.
	They predated all of us.
	And these are beings of immense power, especially to us when we're operating in these very limited human bodies that can perceive only 1% of what's around us.
	So my interest was always to help families that are dealing with these demonic forces, especially the children, and to help teach them how to prevent their intrusion into our lives.
	And there are many ways in which they can enter our lives and how to repel them and expel them and make sure that you're protected, they're protected going forward.
	That's a big task, isn't it?
	Because when people believe, and I say that advisedly, when they believe that they're under some kind of attack from something or some, you know, they're under some kind of not domination, but they're having a really bad experience with something that may inhabit the space that they have to inhabit.
	It's a difficult situation for everybody concerned.
	It's terrifying, especially if your own place of solitude is infested by things, something that doesn't belong, and especially by something that hates you with every fiber of its existence and wants to destroy your life.
	It's enough to cause people to snap.
	Of course, people who are aware that spirits exist or they know that demons exist and that the devil is real.
	And so many people who are religious don't, they believe in God, they believe in Christ, but they don't believe in Satan or they don't believe in the devil.
	And it's like, you can't have one or the other.
	They're all very real.
	And most people will never experience it.
	But for those sad few who do experience it, it's absolutely unbelievable the things that can happen to them.
	And again, just like the woman, the spirit, the human spirit that projected the light into our eyes, our pineal glands, very easily, these demonic spirits can project images into the minds and thoughts into our minds and feelings, especially of dread and despair and suicide and hopelessness.
	And it literally is the devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear saying, you know, go do this, go do that, and don't do this.
	Of course, a skeptic might say, Jason, that a lot of this is to do with the mental state of the people who are involved in this, who believe that they are the subject of this.
	The late and great Father Malachi Martin, who I found very convincing, wonderful man, used to tackle such things routinely.
	And he used to say the first thing that he and his team ever did was to make sure that the people who were involved in this thing did not have any mental issues that might be causing aberrations for them.
	Sure, absolutely.
	I worked with Archbishop James Cloud recently.
	I brought him in on this event that I took, I created called Defeating the Demonic last July.
	And it's again taking place this October in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
	But Bishop James Cloud, I've included him in the Archbishop James Cloud.
	I included him in the panel and in the presentations because He's a mental health professional, and he's, you know, he gets to tell people about what the process is in determining whether or not somebody's having a mental breakdown or suffering from some kind of psychotic episode.
	Now, while working with the Warrens, one of the first, you know, one of the several questions we would ask is: is anybody on any medication whatsoever, not just recreational, but pharmaceutical, and listing those medications and so forth to try to determine whether or not somebody's having a breakdown.
	But they can be having a breakdown all they want to, but if you're in the house and you're witnessing horrific phenomenon taking place that's not created in any way, shape, or form by their psychosis or their mental issues, then there is indeed something present.
	But the problem is that the people who are suffering from mental psychoses and so forth are easy prey because we have varied defenses in our auric field.
	We have a spiritual level, a spiritual field, which is very important.
	So the first question Lorraine asked me, how strong is your faith, right?
	Because we have a very strong spiritual field, mental, emotional, and then your physical strength and so forth, your physical body, what shape that's in.
	They all play a pivotal role in determining how easy it is for these spirits to manipulate you and control you and cause problems for you.
	You wrote a book about one very disturbing case, Dark Siege, a Connecticut Family's Nightmare.
	Are you describing the kind of case where these people are literally under some kind of awful, not possession, but they're locked down and as the title says, they are under siege?
	Exactly.
	That's why I called, I created the series of books that I'm writing now.
	The first one was Dark Siege, a Connecticut Family's Nightmare, because the family was under siege.
	And the interesting thing about it is I was never going to talk about this case.
	The family didn't want any recognition whatsoever because they came after them a second time less than 33 days, well, 34 days later, and in a campaign of demoniacal retribution we've never seen before, meaning they went after everybody for payback.
	And what most people don't understand is that the most terrifying cases, the most devastating cases that take place will never become public knowledge exactly precisely because these people fear a return.
	And so I recreated the case.
	I got permission to recreate the case when we found out that there were people posing as professional paranormal investigation teams who were actually using Ouija boards inside people's homes.
	And I was like, are you kidding me?
	And I called the family and she says, my God, you know, if you can spare one family from the nightmare that we went through, especially little Kelly, who's a six-year-old in this case, then please just make sure nothing comes after us a third time and change our likenesses.
	We want nothing to do with it.
	So I did that and I used my bachelor's in English creative writing to recreate the case in a cinematic horror format, like you're reading Stephen King fiction.
	And it is that good.
	And what makes it fascinating is I broke the, I recreated the case from the very beginning when the mother and daughter were driving by Union Cemetery in Easton, Connecticut, just before Halloween.
	And Kelly picked up a hitchhiker, a spirit of a man, actually made his presence known to her and scared her out of her wits and followed her home.
	Of course, nobody believed her until they all started experiencing him in the house themselves.
	And they made the tragic mistake of using a Ouija board to communicate and find out why in the world he's in the house and after the six-year-old girl.
	And the floodgates opened.
	And this was the most rapid escalation from demonic infestation leading to oppression, meaning they're actually attacking and targeting the family and isolating them and causing all kinds of horrific activity to take place, projecting things into their minds as a group, individually, causing physical objects to move and shatter all kinds of horrors.
	It was just one horror after the other.
	But you're convinced that that material was not a poltergeist case, where, as we have seen, that the people themselves are somehow creating the phenomenon.
	This is something external.
	Yeah, this definitely was not poltergeist activity.
	The three teenage boys, the teenage son and his two best friends, used a Ouija board and they issued all around challenges, as people do, especially teenagers, challenging the spirits to show themselves and prove themselves and to take them on.
	And that's exactly what they did.
	But once they gained entry, the doorway was wide open.
	And I broke the book up into four sections, the infestation chapters.
	So there's a section one called infestation, because that's when they first, the spirits infest the house.
	Then the chapters in the oppression section, which is the attacks, and then possession, because they succeeded in the full possession of one of the family members that required exorcism.
	And the most fascinating aspect is the chapter analysis section, where I explain everything and more, everything that we've been talking about today on this show and much more, obviously.
	100 pages of information about how I met the Warrens, my first several cases, working with them in detail, my understanding of the science and spirituality behind the paranormal, what this family did right and wrong every step of the way, how to make sure these things don't happen to you, how to protect yourself, how to pray properly and most effectively.
	And the entire purpose in recreating and releasing this case is to warn kids and everybody, but especially the preteens and teens, don't open doorways through the use of Ouija boards and don't get into the negative occult.
	Don't get into any of those things that can and often do ruin your life.
	Well, I have to say that I have never advocated and I do not advocate and I'm not here to be an advocate of Ouija boards.
	There are people who say that they're safe, but I wouldn't go there.
	And you're saying the same thing.
	This family, whose case study that you documented, what were the worst things that happened to them?
	Physically battered.
	It started out as projections of awful smells, black flies.
	I mean, that's their ML VSAR experience.
	Anything that can disgust you and revolt you, make you repelled.
	Black flies, black slime smells.
	There was a pool of urine that appeared in the exact spot where the kids used the Ouija board that would not be diminished in any way, no matter how many bath towels they put in, trying to soak up the urine.
	And then within a flash, it was completely bone dry, as were the towels.
	And the only scent on the towels was the car wax that they were used for from the garage.
	There was no urine smell at all.
	The entire contents of the refrigerator were removed.
	And again, it was the same big, they described the clack sound, like a big, like your hands slapping against each other.
	And then instantly on the floor was every bit of organic food matter from the refrigerator.
	And it was there in a big lump as if it had molded over and sat there for months.
	And every container within the refrigerator was spotless, like it had been run through the dishwasher.
	So every bit of organic matter was removed from one place to another, and then it was a molding, rotting pile of filth that was absolutely revolting.
	And that never disappeared.
	That's the interesting thing.
	So there's something called a demonic apporte.
	And many people probably have never heard of this, but it's about something that they can actually create, they can rearrange the molecular structure of the universe and create something that never existed before, but that it will often vanish without trace.
	In this case, this stuff, such as the pool here, in this case, the foodstuffs were removed and they actually had to be shoveled out and put into a garbage can and removed from the house.
	And it would have been interesting to see, actually, now that I think about it, if that stuff would have disappeared over time or if it just would have remained.
	But that stuff already existed.
	Why didn't they leave?
	They fled the house multiple times to go stay at their neighbor's house down the road at a hotel.
	But how do you leave your only place of sanctuary?
	How does a child deal with being forced to leave their house?
	When they succeeded in possessing one of the family members, that person, well, the person fell ill immediately.
	I don't want to spoil it in case people want to read the case.
	But one of the people who challenged the spirits directly as they were all being confronted ended up keeling over and vomiting all over the fireplace, hearth, and getting dreadfully ill, ending up in the hospital with pneumonia.
	This is straight out of the exorcist, but you say that it was all real.
	How did they overcome it?
	They were desperate to find help.
	And the interesting thing is, is that they lived in Monroe, Connecticut, the same town that the Warrens lived in, but they had no interest in ghosts or the paranormal.
	They couldn't confide in anybody.
	The only person that they were confident that the wife was confiding with was her best friend.
	And they went and they found a flyer for a psychic fair at the library.
	And they got in touch with a woman named Yvonne, who became one of my dearest friends after this.
	And they found my ad that I put in a newspaper for a seminar that I was putting together in Westport called Transcendence at a diner as they were looking through the newspaper.
	And so they got, but every time they tried to call, they would get static on the other end, disconnected phone lines, warning messages saying that the number is no longer in service.
	So something was trying to stop them getting help.
	Always, this is always the case.
	And it's like a burglar snipping the telephone wires in the house to prevent somebody from calling for help because they know that, you know, they know that there are people, especially like the Warrens, for instance, and many others, who know how to get clergy involved immediately and to expel them.
	And the interesting thing is that they're always going to lose.
	It may take a long time.
	It may take months.
	It may take several exorcism attempts that can go on for 10 hours at a time.
	I'm also very much aware of Malachi Martin and his amazing work.
	It was a physical fight in many cases.
	We've only got three minutes left, unfortunately, Jason.
	I think this has been a great exposition and introduction to your work, but they believe that it was exorcism that cleared that which they were in the grip of.
	The exorcism was successful, but at the same time, I was personally performing sufumigation, which is the blessing of the house, which is using high church incense, which is frankincense and myrrh, blessed holy candles and prayer.
	And basically fumigating.
	It's called sufumigation or suffumigation, where you're basically raising the vibration of the living space using prayer and high church incense and blessed candles and light to expel the darkness to make it inhospitable for them.
	And then actually closing that doorway that was opened in the exact spot where they used the Ouija board.
	And so to make the house off limits to the spirits that were inhabiting the body of one of the family members, that when they were expelled, they couldn't re-enter the house.
	And that's why they came back for payback 33 days later, interesting number, and attempting in every way to gain access to the house again and gain access to Kelly, the six-year-old, because that was their main target from the beginning, but they wanted to go after everyone else.
	And especially when the challenge was issued, then it's invitation that is needed.
	Your intention is everything.
	And when we invite dark spirits to attack us to save others, they will take you up on that challenge.
	And briefly, and again, I'm sorry for jumping in.
	It's just that I've got a clock ticking down here.
	I know, I know.
	How have you managed to avoid being scared that some of this stuff might go for you?
	I always protect myself.
	I know I'm very well protected.
	Lorraine saw that, that first question she asked me.
	You have to have an immense faith in God and Creator and Jesus, in the creator of all that is.
	To protect you, call upon the angels properly, and we can all do that.
	We don't need an intermediary.
	But I've always felt protected.
	I've never been physically attacked, but there have been amazing things that have taken place all around me.
	And it doesn't make me any more special than anybody else.
	It's just I have an innate knowing that I'm protected.
	And also I know how to properly to do that.
	How do people find out more about you?
	Because we've only scratched the surface here, Jason.
	Sure.
	My website is www.darksiege.
	That's d-a-r-k-s-i-e-g-e.com.
	My TikTok that I just created is the app sign JasonMcLeodDarkSiege, all one word.
	And my main website, if you'll follow that TikTok, I'm going to be doing 30 different conventions starting this coming weekend, first one in Vegas.
	And I take really fun videos from the conventions and so forth.
	So if you follow my TikTok page.
	Okay, well, that's enough to be going on with.
	I've literally got about 50 seconds.
	If you would like to, at some future point, I'd love to do a longer podcast where we have more time to do a deep dive into these things, Jason.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Jason McLeod on the Home of the Unexplained.
	The next guest should be Ron Felber.
	It will be exclusive to the podcast, and it is an extraordinary story that can only be likened to the Exorcist.
	And there are parallels and connections between that story and the Exorcist.
	So that is coming next.
	So I'm going to do my best to keep things going here, right?
	As I always have.
	I've faced all kinds of stuff.
	We all do, don't we?
	But, you know, I've had quite a year of it one way or another with the fire in my flat and all the rest of it.
	And now the Vetinitus deciding to really kick up a gear.
	You know, it's like wading through mud a lot of the time.
	But I love what I do.
	And I love the fact that you enjoy it.
	And you tell me the different ways that you use these shows.
	You'll never know, I don't think, how much that means to me.
	So, more great guests in the pipeline here at the home of The Unexplained Online.
	My name is Howard Hughes, and please stay safe, please stay calm, and please stay in touch.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.

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