Recently there has been the NASA UAP News Conference and the showing of alleged "alien mummies" in Mexico. I discuss these events with Congressman Tim Burchett, Steve Bassett from the Paradigm Research Group and astronomer and author Dr David Whitehouse... And I ask will we ever get "disclosure?"
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| Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained. | |
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| Now, this edition of The Unexplained is going to be a little different, maybe, in that I'm going to speculate a little with some material from my TV show about where we're at with the UAPSU. | |
| You know that we had the hearing, the Congressional Oversight Committee, July 26th this year, which is beginning to feel like an awful long time ago. | |
| And people were getting really excited, saying, this is the pathway to disclosure. | |
| It's going to happen imminently. | |
| And then it didn't happen. | |
| There was a lot of talk about whistleblowers and things happening and upcoming hearings. | |
| So far, not a great deal, but two things within the last week or so have happened. | |
| Number one, of course, was the NASA UAP session, where they discussed progress in their investigations into UAPs. | |
| I don't think it delivered a great deal to us, although they did announce eventually the name of a person who will be the head of UAPs for NASA. | |
| But at the actual session itself, they didn't name the person when they were asked by journalists and they realized what a mistake that was and they later released a name. | |
| But a lot of us simply went into the weekend not knowing that name because I think we've been so underwhelmed by the NASA session, conference, whatever you want to call it. | |
| Now, this isn't NASA's fault necessarily, although please, I know I've had some emails saying you are a defender of and a shill for NASA. | |
| That's just rubbish, okay? | |
| Please, please know that. | |
| But I will say that it was very hard for anyone to expect them to do anything else other than outline the way that they were doing their research and how they planned to do it. | |
| What else could they know at this stage? | |
| Did you think that they were going to sit there and say, well, the space shuttle was intercepted by this alien craft. | |
| Our astronauts actually saw creatures on the moon? | |
| I don't think they're going to do that anytime soon, or indeed at all, to be really frank with you. | |
| But that's just my honest opinion. | |
| And yours may differ from mine. | |
| So we're going to try and chew that over. | |
| And also in the same week, to maybe muddy things or add to them, Jaime Massan, investigator, bit of a controversial figure, showed off to the Mexican government, or certainly a Mexican committee, | |
| the so-called Peruvian alien bodies, which apparently are at this moment being examined by experts in Mexico who reportedly, and I say reportedly, have said that the bodies appear to be one skeleton and not, as some people suggested, made up of a kit of parts. | |
| Now, we'll be having more discussions about this, but those were the two things. | |
| Not, in my view, major developments and not where I was expecting to be by almost October 2023. | |
| But, you know, who knows what's coming down the pike? | |
| Who knows what's coming down the track, as we say here in the United Kingdom. | |
| So, from my television show, for posterity and to catch up on these issues, three people. | |
| Number one, Congressman Tim Burchett, of course, who was the leading figure in the July 26th hearing in Washington. | |
| Number two, Steve Bassett, for decades a campaigner on these issues, diligently calling out the so-called truth agenda and asking for, finally, the facts to be delivered to the people because they can take it now. | |
| So he's second. | |
| And third, a view from my good friend, astronomer and author and former BBC Space and Science editor who studies these things, Dr. David Whitehouse. | |
| Three different views, all of them perfectly valid here. | |
| So that's what we're going to hear. | |
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| Thank you to Adam, my webmaster, for his years of hard work. | |
| Not going to say any more now. | |
| Item number one on this edition of The Unexplained, this is Congressman Tim Burchett. | |
| NASA held a session about the UAP investigations. | |
| The media got very excited about NASA's session. | |
| Even if those in the know were not expecting a smoking gun, alien bodies, a Star Trek tricorder or Captain Kirk suit, or indeed much we didn't already know. | |
| It lacked, I thought, the fireworks of that July 26th Washington Congressional Oversight Committee hearing that we were very excited about, and I think with good reason, the one that featured David Grush and the two pilots, the guys who were part of the Tic Tac story and more. | |
| The first report found there is no reason to conclude that existing UAP reports have an extraterrestrial source. | |
| I'm talking about the NASA hearing here. | |
| But NASA Chief Bill Nelson said he personally believed that aliens are out there in some form and somewhere. | |
| This is what he said. | |
| If you ask me, do I believe there's life in a universe that is so vast that it's hard for me to comprehend how big it is? | |
| Well, my personal answer is yes. | |
| The NASA independent study team did not find any evidence that UAP have an extraterrestrial origin. | |
| But we don't know what these UAP are. | |
| That's why I'm announcing that NASA has appointed a NASA director of UAP Research. | |
| They are being tasked with developing And overseeing the implementation of NASA's vision for UAP research. | |
| Bill Nelson, the director of, well, the administrator, they call it, of NASA, the man in charge, he is keen on this issue. | |
| You can see and hear that. | |
| I also think that he's got certainly a vocal resemblance to Jimmy Stewart. | |
| If you ever watch that movie, It's a Wonderful Life, it's like, I'm going to lasso the moon for you kind of thing. | |
| What do you think? | |
| Meantime, if that wasn't enough excitement for one day, down in Mexico, ufologist and researcher Jaime Moussan was showing politicians down there what he claimed were ancient alien bodies recovered from Peru. | |
| People got very excited about this stuff. | |
| Elon Musk, though, later said that they were clearly based on a Victoria sponge cake, and many experts, including one in the United Kingdom, are calling this out as a hoax. | |
| Here are the pictures. | |
| What do you think? | |
| I mean, there we are. | |
| That's the head. | |
| And it's not for me to call anything out, but if ever there was a doll wrapped in paper, mache paper, then that might be it. | |
| I don't know. | |
| I mean, you tell me what you think. | |
| Text me. | |
| Do whatever you want. | |
| I'll be very keen to hear from you and find out exactly what you think it might be. | |
| Because a lot of people are saying that's a very obvious hoax. | |
| I don't know. | |
| Can we go back to the pictures just to give people another chance, just in case you didn't get to see them? | |
| There you go. | |
| There you go. | |
| So, two things to talk about here tonight. | |
| And number one is the NASA session on Thursday. | |
| Number two, Jaime Massan in Mexico. | |
| Where does all of this leave us? | |
| Let's get, and I'm pleased to have him on here, Congressman Tim Burchett, the man who was the key figure in those hearings in Washington on the 26th of July. | |
| Tim, thank you for coming on. | |
| Thanks for having me on, Howard. | |
| Really appreciate it. | |
| So, Tim, look, here we are. | |
| We have reached the stage in the affairs of man. | |
| Now, you said, and I wrote down at the end of that session on 26th July, we made history today. | |
| Thank you, everybody. | |
| Which was both gracious of you and you made a statement that was actually true. | |
| I think you did make history on that day. | |
| Unfortunately, and I'm just some British journalist that what the hell do I know, I don't think NASA made any history there with their session. | |
| What do you say? | |
| No, I think NASA, if you read, I think it's a 56-page report, and I'm not knocking any of the bureaucrats, but I guess I am knocking them. | |
| The first sentence, it basically alludes to we need to study this, and of course that means more of our tax dollars. | |
| And I submit to you, we don't need any more tax dollars. | |
| Just turn loose of the files. | |
| Since 1947, the United States government, at least since 47, United States government, has denied existence of extraterrestrials in their craft and said it was all a hoax or a swamp gas or whatever. | |
| Now you're seeing polling nationally and worldwide that over half the people think we're not alone. | |
| So they smell dollars. | |
| And the war pimps at the Pentagon, they do the same thing. | |
| They are looking for more dollars, and that's exactly what they'll do. | |
| And, you know, we don't need any more dollars, Howard. | |
| We need more pounds or whatever y'all trade in over there. | |
| We just need the truth. | |
| Just quit with all the nonsense, bring the files out, and I'm just going to keep pounding on them until we get that. | |
| I don't know if I'll ever get it. | |
| I probably won't, but I think it's important that somebody pulls the curtain back. | |
| I think it is. | |
| I don't think that that curtain was moved back one centimeter, one inch with the NASA hearing. | |
| And look, I don't want to diss NASA. | |
| I don't want to be here to be a cheerleader, which some people claim every week for some reasons of their own that I am. | |
| I'm certainly not. | |
| But it seems to me, I wrote down some points here from that session. | |
| And number one. | |
| Can I correct you on one thing? | |
| You called it a hearing. | |
| There wasn't anybody asking questions. | |
| It was a press conference. | |
| It was a pep rally and brought all their people out to say that something's going on. | |
| Send us some more money to study it. | |
| That's what that was about. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, look, I wrote down five points, Tim, and I'm kind of with you on this. | |
| Point number one, we're doing a fabulous job here. | |
| Point number two, we're the best to do this job. | |
| Point number three, we don't actually have any evidence that we found that UAPs are extraterrestrial, but boy, aren't they weird. | |
| That was point three. | |
| Point four, we can make partnerships with other organizations and we can do nice long studies about these things. | |
| And number five, please don't feel, if anybody does feel anymore, that there's any stigma about this because there's no need to. | |
| Now that, I don't know how long that session was because I got so bored, I switched off at one point and went back to it. | |
| You know, the fact of the matter is, I don't think anything beyond those five points came out there. | |
| And also, they didn't tell you who the new director was going to be, apparently. | |
| The new head of UAP. | |
| It's supposed to be. | |
| They're keeping it secret. | |
| And I don't know legally if they can do that. | |
| We're going to look into it. | |
| I'll be in D.C. tomorrow morning and I'll start working on that immediately because I'd like to know who the heck it is, who he or she is, and what their credentials are. | |
| Because you remember our intelligence committee in their public meeting brought these two out from the Pentagon and they couldn't even spell UAP, much less UFO. | |
| So what's going to happen? | |
| Because look, an awful lot of people who I know got really excited about this NASA hearing. | |
| And I was trying to tell them last week, please don't get excited about the NASA hearing because if you think they're going to roll out bodies, they're going to show you bits of metal that come from crash craft, that ain't going to happen. | |
| If you think it's going to be as impactful as the July 26th hearing, and there are people who email me and say that wasn't impactful, I think it was, but you know, that's only my view. | |
| If you're expecting that, you're not going to get that. | |
| There were people who were saying that the president is going to stand up on the 5th of September. | |
| You probably had those emails too, Tim, and make a statement that we are not alone. | |
| That was not going to happen. | |
| So I think among some people, and I have to say, including myself, I'm becoming a little impatient with this. | |
| We've been built up to a pitch of excitement about all of this. | |
| We've been told to expect something. | |
| We were sort of told, although not in so many words, that September was the month. | |
| Nothing much has happened. | |
| What do you think, apart from rattling those doors, which you are doing, is going to happen? | |
| If you remember, we asked for a select committee on this, and my friend Matt Gates from Florida wrote that, along with myself, Reba Zim Luna, and Jared Moskowitz, who's actually a Democrat. | |
| Three of us are Republicans. | |
| We're all dear friends, though. | |
| And this is a bipartisan issue, wrote a letter to the speaker asking for a select committee, which would allow us subpoena powers and some more powers probably to allow them to come speak to us in confidence or be able to speak to us without retribution and have their attorneys present. | |
| Well, we were denied that. | |
| Speaker McCarthy told me in our meeting that he would, in fact, give us another hearing, which I guess will be news. | |
| We have to kind of, we have to craft that meeting very carefully in how we get that done. | |
| Does this mean, Tim, that there is going to be another hearing now? | |
| Oh, 100%. | |
| And that's, and don't mistake that for a meeting with Grush and the SCIF, which I don't know if it will or will not happen. | |
| That, I just don't know. | |
| I mean, they fill up so many roadblocks. | |
| It's so ridiculous. | |
| And, you know, what they're doing is they're trying to channel us in one direction. | |
| So we'll just fold our cards and go with Chuck Schumer's plan about this new department at the Pentagon that will decide which files and which information can be released to the public because they need that for national security. | |
| But guess what? | |
| Every single one of them will have national security implications and they won't release anything of any value and they'll get more money to fund it. | |
| And that's what this is all about, Howard. | |
| Disappointing, I think. | |
| And I think the NASA hearing was disappointing. | |
| And I started to think a thought that I didn't want to think. | |
| And the thought that I didn't want to think was that NASA only had to put on a show there on Thursday because a lot of money has gone into the study that they've done. | |
| And even though they're not really anywhere with it at the moment, they might get somewhere with it in the future. | |
| They had to stand up and say something. | |
| So there they did in that long session. | |
| But I don't think it did them any favors. | |
| I just want to play my viewers and you too, Tim, I know you've seen this anyway, one more section from that NASA conference. | |
| James Fox, you know James Fox. | |
| He's a man who's very prominent in ufology, filmmaker, friend of this show, you know, good guy. | |
| Was there and asked a question about what would happen if NASA came up with any evidence. | |
| How would we be informed? | |
| He put the question better than I did just now, but let's see it. | |
| Is there a plan in place, if it is determined that some of them represent or originate from a non-human intelligence, to tell the public? | |
| Is there a plan? | |
| If we are what I said we intend to be, which is transparent, you bet your boots. | |
| We will say that. | |
| And I've tried to set the table for you by telling you what I personally believe in a universe that is so vast that could there be a replication of life on Earth, elsewhere in another solar system that is so big? | |
| Of course I believe that. | |
| The distances, it would have to be a very advanced civilization. | |
| The distances, you know, light years, hundreds of light years, billions of light years. | |
| But whatever we find, we're going to tell you. | |
| And that is the note that I've got here for myself. | |
| Whatever we find, we're going to tell it. | |
| Well, that's very nice. | |
| But it seems to me, Tim, that you're working on a completely different level to that. | |
| You're working on a different agenda. | |
| You're trying to get this done in a different way. | |
| What they're saying, and as I say, I'm not here to diss them. | |
| I'm not here to wave a little flag for them. | |
| What they're saying, I was massively frustrated by that session. | |
| What they're saying is that we're going to do inter-agency partnerships. | |
| Citizen scientists will get involved. | |
| We're going to ask for people to make their reports. | |
| It's going to be all in. | |
| None of us knows how long that is going to take. | |
| Now, this thing, this issue that you and I have talked about for months, in fact, I was talking to you here in the UK before loads of people got on the bandwagon recently and started doing that. | |
| We've been talking all this year. | |
| This thing has reached the boil. | |
| You know, it's what they call in cooking terms, it's a rolling boil. | |
| If it doesn't happen now or now-ish, then we'll still be excited about it. | |
| You'll still keep raffling the door about it. | |
| We're not going to go away or give up. | |
| But the public, the people who are interested in this stuff, are going to switch to channel two because there's a good movie on there and they're going to stop being interested. | |
| That's where we're at. | |
| Yeah, I've said that in America. | |
| There used to be an advertising for a pizza company, and they said, you get your pizzas in 30 minutes or less. | |
| And I've often said that's about our attention span, you know, mine included. | |
| You know, it's the next shiny object we move on to. | |
| And this, and there'll just be another one. | |
| And, you know, they'll, they want to run the clock out on this thing. | |
| I know what they're doing. | |
| You know, they told me the main reason we couldn't have a select committee meeting was because we were stepping on the toes of the intelligence committee and the intelligence community. | |
| Well, sorry. | |
| You know, I've got a job to do. | |
| And obviously they're not doing it. | |
| And the intelligence community is doing their job by keeping this all secret and by stopping legislation and putting up a roadblock everywhere we go. | |
| If you remember, I just had an amendment on the FAA reauthorization bill that just said if a commercial pilot spots something and they make a report to the FAA, they have to make that report to the United States Congress. | |
| And it was blocked. | |
| And the whip, the whip, the man in charge of it, of the bills on the floor said that, in fact, the intelligence community had a problem with that. | |
| Not the intelligence committee. | |
| Why do you surmise, Tim? | |
| Sorry to jump in, but why do you surmise that they would want to stop that? | |
| That is the most innocuous Alteration to the way things are. | |
| Well, it's power. | |
| And obviously, our pilots, from what I've been told, our pilots are seeing things on a regularity and are being forced not to say anything for fear of losing their jobs. | |
| Clear and simple. | |
| You know, they'll get pulled off the flight line. | |
| And, you know, our military pilots experience the same thing. | |
| They get a blemish on their record. | |
| It's just power. | |
| It's control. | |
| I guess when we get to the conclusion, when we find out what the heck it is, we'll know why they did it. | |
| But it's got have to do with money. | |
| It has to do with money and it has to do with power. | |
| And that's what runs this country and your country as well. | |
| It's what runs our government. | |
| I'm coming to that for you, Tim. | |
| I'm coming to that for you, both sides of the Atlantic. | |
| What do you say to people who keep on, again, emailing me who say that this is political? | |
| Whether it's Hunter Biden being investigated, whether it's Donald J. Trump being investigated, whatever it is, this is political. | |
| If there's stuff going down, then what do we do? | |
| We throw up an alien flap. | |
| We say, hey, you know, there's all this political stuff going on here, but look at the aliens. | |
| Do you think that this is all being used as a smokescreen for other stuff? | |
| Is there something real going on here is what those people are asking me. | |
| No, it's not a smoke screen. | |
| It's not. | |
| I'm not part of it. | |
| It was. | |
| This smoke screen was planted in my mind when I was about seven or eight years old. | |
| That's one hell of a deep plant. | |
| And I'm just, you know, the reason I'm the guy out front is because TMZ, I don't know if you've seen TMZ over there, but the guy caught me. | |
| It was a black fellow. | |
| He's a buddy of mine. | |
| Took him to lunch the other day. | |
| He asked me one day about this UFO report, and I didn't, I just seen something on it. | |
| I said, well, it'll be redacted. | |
| I said, I have more holes in Swiss cheese. | |
| I said, more people believe in UFOs and believe in Congress. | |
| And then I put it on my t-shirt on my, sell on my website. | |
| It sells pretty good, by the way. | |
| But, you know, that's what started all. | |
| Then all of a sudden, I'm getting calls from people all over the world, like yourself. | |
| TMZ puts it out. | |
| It gets picked up on the wire and it's all over the place or the internet or whatever you want to call it. | |
| And that's why I'm the point man on it. | |
| And I like a good scrap. | |
| I like a fight. | |
| And this is obviously a cover-up of some degree for some reason. | |
| And, you know, it's got everything there. | |
| You got the Pentagon, you got NASA, you got the bureaucrats in Washington, you got the committee staff that you got members of the press involved in covering this thing up. | |
| It's just all across the board. | |
| And the American public and the world public's not buying it, frankly. | |
| And you were talking about the thing in Mexico. | |
| Now that is a diversion. | |
| That is a diversion. | |
| That guy was apparently, from what I heard, I've read, he was involved in another thing where they had these poor little babies scuffled online about things that may or may not have happened in the past. | |
| And I'm not worried about all that. | |
| And I have to say that Kaimi Musan, the man behind that, we don't have him here to talk for himself, but we have tried to get him on multiple times. | |
| And we can't reach him. | |
| We've tried. | |
| And we've tried through his email addresses and contacts. | |
| You would think someone of your stature, he would be more than happy to come on and talk to you, regardless. | |
| I have to sit there and be Mr. Ringmaster here. | |
| I'm going to be Barnum and Bailey's Circus, the man in the middle. | |
| But I have to say that if you had alien bodies, here they are. | |
| Here's an alien body. | |
| I've got it here. | |
| This is thousands of years old. | |
| It came from Peru originally, and it's not a bottle of water. | |
| It's the body of a real alien from real space. | |
| What would I do with it? | |
| Well, I don't think, as much as I love Mexico, I would take it to the Mexican parliament or whatever committee that was. | |
| I would say, I've got two of them. | |
| One of them I will send to Oxford University in the United Kingdom. | |
| One of them I will send to Harvard or Stanford in the US. | |
| And I will say, give your best science their best spectrometers, CT scanning machines, everything you've got. | |
| Analyze them. | |
| And then we go public with the greatest story ever told. | |
| That hasn't happened. | |
| So that's my take on all of that. | |
| I still think, Tim, look, we're in a very exciting time. | |
| I'm grateful to you for talking with me and for talking with me before you talk to all of these other people who are stampeding down your door who perhaps don't understand as well as we might these issues. | |
| You know, they're saying, I want to get on board with this and I want to ask you questions. | |
| Last question. | |
| Last of these questions, Tim. | |
| I don't expect you to tell, because of what you are and where you are. | |
| I know that there's a lot of stuff you cannot tell me, okay? | |
| Because you've got to take oaths and there's a lot of secrecy. | |
| But do you know things? | |
| Do you suspect things that were they to be made public and were you able to make them public would swing this thing to making people finally see, yes, the truth is that we are not alone and here's the proof? | |
| In other words, have you know the truth already? | |
| There's things I can't talk about, but yes, there are things I can talk about and we've talked about and I say yes. | |
| I've been privileged to see things that a lot of the folks haven't. | |
| And I just wish they would. | |
| I wish we could get it out. | |
| And that's what I'm working towards, Howard. | |
| And we'll just keep pushing it. | |
| And I would hope folks, you know, I'm on Twitter all the time at Tim Burchett. | |
| I've got an official one, but that's my cool one. | |
| That's one I got close to 100,000 followers. | |
| We put stuff out all the time. | |
| Some of it's political. | |
| Remember, I'm conservative, but we don't have to agree on everything. | |
| But we can, this is one issue. | |
| I think it's just across the board. | |
| We need answers on. | |
| And I just don't believe we need to get our government's checkbook out to get those answers. | |
| I think they ought to be telling us the truth. | |
| And this NASA thing is a perfect example. | |
| You say, announce you've got a new director, but you won't say who it is. | |
| And that tells me, again, where we're at in this whole thing. | |
| I think we need to be knowing that name pretty soon. | |
| I can't. | |
| That was not a great PR move not to name the person there. | |
| And then God knows why they couldn't. | |
| Very finally, in 15 seconds, if you could do it, Tim, for those Who will email me and will message me tonight calling BS on all of this right now, saying we haven't seen the proof it's not going to happen? | |
| What do you say to them? | |
| Keep the faith. | |
| I do. | |
| And I say, you know, you're not going to with AI. | |
| I don't, you know, nobody's going to, everything's going to be suspect from here on out until one lands out here at my house in Knox County. | |
| It's, it's not, I'm not going to, you know, there won't be full, full believe, you know, full believability in this thing. | |
| But, you know, I got faith. | |
| I got faith. | |
| I haven't seen God, but I believe in him. | |
| I pray to him about every little bit. | |
| I believe in Jesus. | |
| I believe he died on the cross for my sins as much as I do anything in this world, but I've never seen him. | |
| And so, you know, I have faith that this is real. | |
| I've just, I've talked to too many people that would have, why would they throw away their, their, their careers over this thing? | |
| And why are they risking their careers right now to do it? | |
| I think there's something going on. | |
| And I think that we deserve to know. | |
| And I think we can handle it. | |
| And I do not trust a government that does not trust its people. | |
| And that's what we have worldwide right now. | |
| Well, there you go, Tim. | |
| That is the $64 question, isn't it? | |
| Why would people put their careers and their lives in some cases on the line? | |
| Tim Burchett, thank you very much. | |
| Take care. | |
| Thank you, Howard, as always. | |
| Thanks for getting the truth out there, brother. | |
| It wouldn't be out there if it wasn't for folks like you spearheading this stuff. | |
| They say in parts of the world go well. | |
| There you heard Congressman Tim Burchett. | |
| We'll talk with him again. | |
| Let's see what is going to happen. | |
| Coming next, a man who's campaigned diligently for decades. | |
| I first interviewed him in Liverpool face to face in 2008, and I'd been speaking to him for a few years before that. | |
| Steve Bassett from the Paradigm Research Group. | |
| He's worked tirelessly, and I know it's taken a toll on him over the years, but he's pursued this doggedly over the decades. | |
| He's worked tirelessly on this issue. | |
| These are his thoughts. | |
| Did you see the point in NASA having that session? | |
| Of course. | |
| NASA is doing and playing its part. | |
| It can't get out in front. | |
| It has to lag behind. | |
| The people out in front are over at the Congress. | |
| Tim Purchet being an example. | |
| But NASA has to be very careful. | |
| So it, quote, did a study. | |
| How long did it take a year? | |
| I think Project Blue Book went up for 52 to 69, 17 years. | |
| The book is that thick. | |
| So they had to show that they were making an effort. | |
| They set up a group and they came forward and said, we couldn't find any evidence of extraterrestrial, which means nothing. | |
| Because if you look at the evidence, unless you look at the totality of it and put it all together, you look at any single piece of it, it doesn't confirm extraterrestrial, but the totality of the evidence does. | |
| But they're not speaking to that. | |
| And so they've done their thing. | |
| They put out a report, generated a lot of news. | |
| But is it the Robertson report back in 53, which essentially shut things down, or the Condon report, which again shut things down in 69? | |
| No, it's not. | |
| It is their participation in this unfolding disclosure process. | |
| Most notably, if it was shutting things down, they wouldn't have announced a new director for the program. | |
| So they have to be careful. | |
| NASA is not going to be able to really be NASA until the president confirms the ET presence. | |
| Hopefully that'll happen this year. | |
| Could be soon. | |
| Until then, it has to play a part, show that it's involved, be part of the game. | |
| And that's exactly what it did. | |
| I'm not surprised, and I'm quite content with it. | |
| There is much more, and you and I have been talking on these topics for many, many years, haven't we, Steve? | |
| There is a lot of excitement among the mainstream media now, you know, my colleagues in various places. | |
| Is that a good thing? | |
| Because I listened to some of the questions being asked at that NASA session once again, and some of the questions were quite good and pointed, but some of them were not really, and betrayed a lack of appreciation of the issues here, I think. | |
| So do you think that everybody seems to be on top of this right now is actually helpful? | |
| Look, at any subject, at any press conference, it's going to be good questions and bad questions. | |
| The media has, we're generating more media in this issue than in the history of the phenomenon. | |
| At my Paradigm Research Group website, print media archive under resources, I think I just passed 1,400 for this year, and that's triaged out of at least twice that many that just aren't that good, or they're fringe publications. | |
| One solid stream of articles coming out about the NASA report. | |
| The media is definitely on top of it. | |
| They're following it. | |
| But I think a lot of the top journalists understand what's going on. | |
| They realize that rushing down to the Pentagon briefing room and demanding to know where the bodies are buried or what have you is not going to work and it's not appropriate. | |
| They get that. | |
| So they're kind of going along with the play that's being portrayed and performed for us, which is the setup to the Senate hearings, which are coming. | |
| And the Senate hearings are the setup to the president to confirm the ET presence. | |
| This I'm following very closely. | |
| And that's still on track, though it's getting a little late in the game. | |
| And there was some confusion created by the emergence of David Grush, though ultimately he's accelerated the pace. | |
| And then the move by the House Committee, Oversight Committee, to get into the game, cut in line. | |
| That created some kerfuffle, but still ultimately a positive. | |
| But the game is not over until the president of the United States confirms the extraterrestrial presence, the non-human intelligence presence, which will be followed very quickly by your own prime minister, I can assure you. | |
| Do you see Joe Biden before your elections next year actually standing up before the world and saying that realistically? | |
| Before the elections, he needs to do it before the campaigns. | |
| The campaign is technically kind of already underway, but this thing is just hanging up there. | |
| You've got a non-refuted former intelligence officer stating that 40-some people confirmed to him we have alien bodies and alien craft. | |
| They didn't use that word, but we know what they're talking about. | |
| And that's just hanging in the air over these thousands of candidates that want to be senator or congressman or governor. | |
| And there's no resolution and they're going to have to answer questions about it. | |
| What are they going to say? | |
| It Makes fools of them, makes fools of the government. | |
| Once you go past a certain point, you have to complete the process. | |
| They absolutely cannot go backwards. | |
| They have to end this process, which is, of course, leading to disclosure. | |
| And they need to do it before the campaigns get underway. | |
| And there's a very good reason for it. | |
| Very good reason for this, Steve. | |
| And the good reason for it is almost nothing to do with the politics and the electoral machine in the United States. | |
| It's to do with the people, right? | |
| You've taken the people on a journey here. | |
| You've marched them up to the top of that hill. | |
| And I am getting emails every day from people saying, well, it's not happening, is it? | |
| I don't have an answer for them. | |
| I don't think you can have an answer for them other than it's coming in the fullness of time. | |
| But, you know, people want it because they've been led now to expect it. | |
| So I don't think we can go back from this, but I am disappointed and they're disappointed that the pace of this is slowing down. | |
| Well, they need to get into this issue for 30-some years, like some of my colleagues or 40 years, and understand what real patience is. | |
| This would have happened a lot sooner, but we've dealt with extraordinary events, a global, massive pandemic that's still ongoing, another war, a really dangerous war in Europe, economic travails, extreme political upset in the United States. | |
| But overall, the stage is set for the hearings in front of the Senate. | |
| I happen to know that some of my colleagues have been meeting with the Senate intel staffers over the last week and a half, two weeks. | |
| The only reason for such meetings is preparation for hearing. | |
| Warner has not made a statement yet. | |
| They were in town for eight days. | |
| They're back out of town. | |
| But he knows full well that the ball is in his court. | |
| He can call the hearing at any time. | |
| The moment he does, you watch how excited the media gets. | |
| And then, of course, they'll start lining up the witnesses. | |
| And those witnesses, I know a lot of them, and they will be more than enough to allow the president to disclose without anybody accusing him of playing the media or politics or grandstanding. | |
| It will be literally handed to him on a silver platter, which is the way it needs to be, so that it is non-political as possible. | |
| And one of the reasons it will happen is because it is non-political as possible. | |
| In our government right now, we are so hyper-partnersized, it's amazing anybody can do anything. | |
| But this one they can do. | |
| And there's great glory to come from it, historical legacy, and so forth. | |
| So it's all there, ready to happen. | |
| I know it's not easy, but you can expect something soon. | |
| I will be stunned if we have not had a congressional hearing in front of the Senate Intel Committee by the end of the month. | |
| But there we've got Jaime Mossan down in Mexico showing us what purport to be alien bodies. | |
| A lot of people saying, I think they're fakes. | |
| Now, whether they're fakes or not, I'm not qualified to say. | |
| I don't know, but a lot of people are saying that that's the case. | |
| I don't think that necessarily helped any, did it? | |
| What we need to be seeing are people standing up in Washington saying, you know, here's something that we retrieved from an alien craft. | |
| I mean, there's Taimi Massan's Peruvian figure. | |
| I think some scientists have looked at it. | |
| A lot of scientists have commented about it. | |
| It's a bit of a mess at the moment, isn't it? | |
| We need clarity. | |
| It's not important. | |
| It's a distraction. | |
| Thousand-year-old mummies that could be this or could be that, are just a minor, inconsequential situation. | |
| There's going to be more of that because the interest is high. | |
| There's a lot of things out there. | |
| People are wanting to come forward. | |
| I get it. | |
| There's going to be a lot of that. | |
| That doesn't matter. | |
| All that matters right now is that the Congress is prepared for hearings. | |
| The president is prepared to disclose. | |
| We have a functioning office at the DOD. | |
| The NASA has done a study to show that it's in the game. | |
| We've got tranches of legislation, each one more powerful than the next. | |
| That's what matters. | |
| And also not lights in the sky, but every light that turns up in the sky, the media jumps on because the media is getting the views. | |
| It's getting the readership and the ratings. | |
| They're thriving on this. | |
| They know it's a great thing. | |
| And so once again, this isn't 1969 or 1993. | |
| It's over. | |
| It's only a matter of just counting the, you know, the truth embargo is flat on the canvas, and now we just need to count it out and move on with civilization. | |
| My viewer, Steve, in the southwest of England tonight, puts a very good point here. | |
| He says, you know, who put the U.S. in charge of all of this? | |
| Well, we can debate that another time. | |
| But he puts the point that surely other intelligent countries could come forward, and if they know the same sorts of things that America apparently knows, allegedly knows, they could come forward and steal the march on the U.S. Why do you think that isn't happening? | |
| If there's such a great groundswell, why isn't the U.K. doing it? | |
| The French doing it? | |
| You know, the Mexicans doing it? | |
| This is a massively important global issue with huge security implications. | |
| And it's happening in a nuclear world where there are three countries with the most weapons. | |
| China, Russia, and the United States. | |
| And China and Russia are not on the side of the UK. | |
| And so the enormous burden that the United States has carried since World War II, its success in World War II, also with the UK as well, which has nuclear weapons, essentially assign this to us. | |
| In other words, the United States is the greatest financial power, though recently surpassed in certain areas by the Chinese. | |
| It's the most important nuclear power. | |
| It is the defender of the West and democracy. | |
| And therefore, this issue is of grand importance. | |
| The U.S. has clearly showed that to be the case. | |
| And so which head of state wants to jump up and, I don't know, throw a pie in our face? | |
| But I'll tell you this. | |
| If Biden discloses on, I don't know, October 2, Sunak will disclose on October 3. | |
| I think we can be agreed about that, Steve. | |
| Are you still excited? | |
| I'm tired. | |
| Fatigue prevents me. | |
| It has been a very difficult last couple of years. | |
| And I'm not young, and so I'm tired. | |
| I was excited when I sat there in the hearing room and listened to David Grush speak to that committee. | |
| I understood its implications and how important it was. | |
| And so, yeah, that was powerful. | |
| And I really enjoyed that. | |
| But what I'm really looking forward to is sitting in the Senate Intelligence Committee room. | |
| I don't know how I'm going to get in there. | |
| I may have to hide out in the room a couple of days ahead of time, you know, or whatever. | |
| One way or another, I'm going to get in that room. | |
| And yeah, I will be excited that day because I will personally know some of those witnesses and I'll know what they've gone through to get there. | |
| Some of them 20, 25 years carrying this truth, speaking this truth. | |
| Yeah, I'll be excited that day. | |
| And let's hope that day comes soon. | |
| Steve Bassett, check out the Paradigm Research Group if you want to know more. | |
| Finally, on this edition of The Unexplained from My TV show, the views of Dr. David Whitehouse. | |
| Astronomer, author of many fine books, including one about the Apollo missions, another one about the quest for life in space, life out there. | |
| A good guy to talk about and get a balanced view of these things. | |
| So here are the views of Dr. David Whitehouse. | |
| Well, it was clear what it was going to be because NASA conducted a very dry investigation based on publicly available data. | |
| And the publicly available data does not convict anybody of being an alien. | |
| It's clear that there is no evidence for alien technology in that data. | |
| So they could come to no other conclusion than that. | |
| Although they clearly said that if there was more data, they couldn't rule out any other explanation that wasn't natural, which is scientifically understandable because you can't prejudge what the data is. | |
| I read the report and I found it very dry, very tedious actually, because it went through the whole science of extraterrestrial communication, which it didn't need to do. | |
| And the press conference itself was rather poorly managed, I thought, in the sense that they had a top line. | |
| The top line was, we've looked at aliens, we've looked at UFOs, there are no aliens, but we want more data. | |
| And that's a very good line to have, because I think you've had Arvi Loeb on this show before. | |
| And he says, we need more data. | |
| And coming up with an app on your phone is a really good idea because in the past, UFO pictures have been, frankly, rubbish, because often people have said they didn't have a camera on them at the time. | |
| Now there are two or three billion cameras in cell phones around the world, but no really reliable way to get what people say out into the media and out to scientists for analysis. | |
| Remember, there are a million people in the air at any one moment, and most of those have got a window and a camera. | |
| So if you want to gather more data on what NASA says is an interesting phenomena unknown, but not extraterrestrial spacecraft, then building an app like that and starting to gather more data, perhaps trying to analyze more of what observatories around the world see from time to time, is the way to try and get to the bottom of this. | |
| But the way that they did it, I mean, all of those things you've just said came out in the fullness of that very long session. | |
| I mean, I have to say, I got bored with it. | |
| You know, I wasn't very long into it when I started getting bored with it. | |
| But it started with Bill Nelson, the boss of NASA now, the guy who's clearly interested in all of this, doing his best Jimmy Stewart impression, basically saying there are 100,000 million, billion, zillion galaxies potentially out there, and there's bound to be life somewhere, and I'm going to lasso you the moon. | |
| And it was a bizarre place to start. | |
| And I agree with you. | |
| What they should have done, and look, I'm not a scientist, as well you can see every time we speak, but I am a journalist, and so are you. | |
| The way to have started that is to have the top line, to say, okay, we're here to tell you that we haven't found the smoking gun, but here's what we are doing. | |
| We're putting together the evidence in a way that it's never been put together before. | |
| We're going to do it in an interdisciplinary way, working with other agencies. | |
| We are bringing the entire firepower of citizen scientists, government agencies, for the first time all together. | |
| It's so exciting. | |
| What did we get? | |
| A bunch of people talking in an obfuscatory and boring way with no great conclusion other than we've hired a head of UAPs and we can't even name that person. | |
| Well, the name has come out. | |
| Who is it? | |
| NASA. | |
| I can't remember his name. | |
| It's like Mike Morwenny or something. | |
| You'll have to look on NASA's announcements for that. | |
| But it was absurd that they said they wouldn't announce this guy's name because of all the abuse that the UFO community gave the investigation. | |
| Welcome to our world. | |
| That's right. | |
| But they then, an hour or two later, realized, I think, as a result of criticism, this was a rather inconsistent thing to do when they were calling for transparency. | |
| So they did announce his name. | |
| But you're quite right. | |
| What it started off was, was a grand scheme of the universe and life out there in space, which is all very interesting, but it wasn't to the point of the investigation. | |
| And also, they missed the, apart from a bit at the end, they missed the political context in this, because it is clear whatever you think about aliens, and I think you know what I think about the evidence for aliens and cover-ups. | |
| This is the summer of UAP's UFOs in Washington. | |
| And it is the Grush hearings, the congressional hearings, another congressional hearing coming along, all sorts of ferment in the UFO community talking about disclosure and that. | |
| And politicians talking about cover-ups, Pentagon saying this, that, and the other. | |
| So it's clearly a huge political mess, a huge political story There, and to actually not put it into context by saying that NASA only had access to a certain slice of data to analyze, but the government has a whole mass of other data which they were not able to analyze, | |
| and which, according to some people, might change their minds or even throw more light on what this natural phenomena is, was, I think, meant the whole press conference was just, as you say, a bit boring, a bit off the point. | |
| And they made a few nuggets of information in there. | |
| But it really was a bit lackluster and not what was required. | |
| It was not what was required. | |
| And I was very, very surprised that an organization that seemed to get its act together so much recently, especially with Bill Nelson coming in, was more at organizing that. | |
| Yes, well, one of NASA's main roles is to search for life in space, to search for life on Mars, on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, and elsewhere in the universe. | |
| So if you look at it from that point of view, the very possibility that we might be being visited, and it is not impossible, there's nothing against it in the laws of science, which suggests we're not being visited, or we might not be visited tomorrow, or we might not pick up a signal. | |
| NASA is mandated to investigate that and to take an interest in that. | |
| But, you know, they're doing that. | |
| And they explain the thunder you can hear there. | |
| Oh, was that what that was? | |
| I thought that was something that I've just done here. | |
| I thought, you know, what have I got on the desk? | |
| It's just, you've got thunder in rural Hampshire. | |
| How very interesting. | |
| We have indeed quite a lot of it, actually. | |
| It's very dramatic. | |
| Do you want to start unplugging things, David? | |
| Are you all right? | |
| I'm fine. | |
| I'm fine. | |
| Do you want to put your guitar behind, you know, behind colours? | |
| That's unplugged. | |
| The thing is, Howard, and it's a very interesting point you brought out with previous guests, is that NASA was right to say that they want to move the subject of UAPs from the speculative. | |
| And boy, we both know, you particularly know the speculation that there is in the UFO community about all sorts of things. | |
| They want to move it from the speculative to the science. | |
| And that is all very well and good. | |
| But they ignored the political dimension because much of the discussion about UFOs, about cover-ups, about spaceships this year has been purely political. | |
| No evidence, but purely political in the sense that that is what people have been arguing as to why the evidence is not there. | |
| Yep, it's all been up to now. | |
| I wasn't expecting NASA to do anything about this or say anything about that, but it's all been, you've got the evidence, you've been hiding it for years, you've stopped people talking about it, we want the truth. | |
| That's the political part of it. | |
| That's right. | |
| And I don't buy the case that all this is an elaborate dance by the Senate and by Congress and by the House of Representatives to put the President in a position where he's able to say, you know, we have disclosure, we have evidence for life in space, because you know my point of view on that. | |
| I don't think this is anywhere near as organized as a dance by that because the second congressional hearing we've heard that's going to happen might not have happened at all. | |
| And it seems to be extremely very arbitrary. | |
| It seemed to me that this is going to carry on. | |
| And, you know, there have been whistleblowers, there have been questions of somebody's going to give evidence, somebody's going to provide proof every few years for decades. | |
| And they've all petered out for various reasons. | |
| Some people have said cover up. | |
| Other people have said that there's no evidence to actually come out in the first place. | |
| But there are two things I think which are important. | |
| First of all, President Biden doesn't need any staging to do this. | |
| He could come out tomorrow and say yes or no. | |
| If he says no, there's no evidence whatsoever, then of course a lot of people would not believe him. | |
| But there are in this community I've noticed, and I'm no expert on this, there are people who describe themselves as journalists. | |
| And they say they have evidence. | |
| They have got evidence of where the spaceships are. | |
| They've got evidence of people who worked on back engineering spacecraft. | |
| They've got people who knew where the bodies are buried, so to speak, or held in cold storage, presumably. | |
| But they are waiting for the right time to bring this information out. | |
| They want to do it in a due process way. | |
| Some of them said they don't want to break NDAs. | |
| They don't want to go against the law. | |
| If you're a journalist, as Woodward and Bernstein showed us, you don't care a damn about NDAs. | |
| If you've got the scoop of the century, you get it out straight away. | |
| Because otherwise you are a footnote and not the main breaker of the story of the century. | |
| And, you know, if you are a journalist and you work in Washington, D.C. or wherever you work, if you get on the trail of that information and you find it, no one's going to hang you for publishing that. | |
| Woodward and Bernstein were awarded, received plaudits, were praised up to this day for the work that they did on Watergate. | |
| Answer to the question, by the way, I don't know why this escaped me. | |
| I think I was so bored by the whole NASA thing. | |
| I just didn't bother with it for the last couple of days. | |
| But they later, as you rightly said, updated and relented. | |
| And the name of the person is Mark McInerney, Director of UAP Research. | |
| Three people, three differing views on the UAP thing. | |
| Latterly, you heard Dr. David Whitehouse, who will be a guest speaker on the Unexplained Live Cruise with Morella. | |
| Please check out my special podcast about that. | |
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| So Dr. David Whitehouse there, you'll hear more from him on the cruise. | |
| Before that, Steve Bassett from the Paradigm Research Group. | |
| And before that, the views of Congressman Tim Burchard. | |
| Interesting times in which we live. | |
| Is this can going to get kicked down the road again? | |
| I suspect it might. | |
| But then I live to be surprised. | |
| That's the great thing about doing what I do. | |
| I have an open mind. | |
| I don't close my mind to anything. | |
| So who knows what the next month may bring? | |
| We'll be monitoring. | |
| Thank you very much for being part of my show. | |
| More great guests here in the pipeline on the home of the unexplained. | |
| Until next we meet, please stay safe, please stay calm, and please stay in touch. | |
| Thank you very much. | |
| Take care. |