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June 28, 2021 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 553 - Paul Sinclair

An update from acclaimed "Truth Proof" author/researcher Paul Sinclair in North East Yorkshire...we talk "strange lights," big cats, crypto-creatures and much more...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
	It was very dramatic, wasn't it?
	We are in midsummer here, heading for July.
	It might be July by the time you hear this.
	I hope that your life is okay.
	My life is all right.
	It'll do.
	You know, we're still in the remnants of whatever remains of lockdown in the UK.
	It's very, very strange they're saying that we are going to be freed of the restrictions by the 19th of July.
	I sincerely hope that we are, because I think most of us couldn't take any more of it.
	We've got to start feeling our way back.
	Because I think the uncertainty is one of the worst things about it, not knowing what's going to happen next.
	But you've kept in touch with me throughout this whole period.
	And the nice thing is that a lot of you telling me that I've helped to support you through all of this.
	And you've definitely helped to support me.
	And it's nice to go to my email inbox, open it up and see that there are people out there and getting your guest suggestions and all the other things that you do for me.
	So please know that you have been every bit as important to me as in some cases I have been to you.
	And that's nice.
	One listener described me as the fourth emergency service.
	Not sure whether I'm that I could do it to help myself.
	So there haven't been quite as many podcasts this month as there's been in other months across the lockdown period.
	I've been getting between six and eight out over the period.
	I think we're going to make six this time round, just simply because I took a few days out of things.
	And that's always difficult because the unexplained is basically me.
	On the online side, I come up with the ideas, do the shows, record them, do any edits that are necessary and put them out.
	And then Adam gets them out to you.
	And Haley does the bookings on the guests.
	So she actually physically arranges times for the people to speak.
	And that's it, really.
	And the radio show is the same.
	It's me coming up with the ideas, the stories, everything, contacts.
	And then there's John who does the bookings and makes sure that all of those things hang together on the radio side.
	But if you think of it compared with the big American shows, this is a very small operation.
	And, you know, that's okay as long as you never, ever take a break.
	So there's not complaining.
	You know, I love what I'm doing.
	And I wouldn't want anybody else involved in it because it's a very personal thing.
	It's, you know, a direct connection between me here and you there.
	I think that's the way that it works.
	And I don't think there's anything quite like it, really.
	But I just got to a stage where the stress of lockdown and everything meant that I just had to take the key out of the ignition for a little while.
	So what I did, and you may have heard this if you listen to the radio shows, I recorded a couple of radio shows here, and they went out over the last couple of weeks.
	And then we're back live in this week as you hear this.
	But it's all a very complicated thing.
	If I ever want to take any time off, you know, like Christmas Day sometimes, I've done a recorded show for Christmas Day, and sometimes they've broadcast that a second time.
	But it all has to be organized in advance because, you know, unlike the American shows, Coast to Coast AM and all of that sort of stuff, there is only me involved in this.
	And I think they probably have probably a team of at least six people on the production side.
	I would say probably well north of that.
	And of course, a roster of presenters.
	This is different, but that is the great joy of doing this, I think.
	So there you go.
	That's not a complaint at all.
	That's one of the reasons that I love it.
	But that's why I have been, well, I've been there, but perhaps not quite as there during the month of June.
	But I'm hoping to come back to it all.
	I've got all kinds of things to deal with, including my living accommodation, ongoing issues and various other things, as we all have in our lives.
	But, you know, everything's going to be fine.
	And certainly once we get beyond July the 19th, let's hope that life starts looking like it did before.
	If I can remember what that was like.
	Can you remember what life was like before?
	You know, it seems to be, it's almost like a dream, isn't it?
	To go somewhere without all of the restrictions that we have now.
	And I understand why we've had those.
	But anyway, that's a whole other thing.
	If you want to get in touch with me, please go to my website, theunexplained.tv.
	Follow the link, and you can send me an email, guest suggestion, anything, thoughts about the show there.
	And if you want to go to my official Facebook page, the official Facebook page of The Unexplained with Howard Hughes, please do that and do it now.
	Leave your footprint there.
	I'd be delighted to hear from you.
	Right, this edition is a slightly extended version of my conversation and catch up with Paul Sinclair, the truth-proof man in North Yorkshire.
	This was on the radio show, but this is a longer version.
	They had to cut this down for timing reasons when this was broadcast.
	So you're going to hear all of it now here for posterity on the website.
	So Paul Sinclair coming right up.
	Thank you very much for being part of my life and my show.
	Remember the website, theunexplained.tv.
	That's the way to communicate with me.
	And I don't think there's anything else I have to say now, unless I've forgotten something.
	I don't think so.
	Weird weather here, by the way.
	I know I always mentioned the weather.
	It's either sticky and wet and tropical feeling, even if the temperature's not much beyond 20 degrees Celsius, 68 Fahrenheit, or maybe just a little north of that.
	It still feels humid.
	Or it's sunny and hot.
	It's been weird.
	And we're only halfway, well, not even halfway through the summer.
	That's a whole other thing.
	And you know the Brits always talk about the weather.
	All right, let's get to the guests this time then.
	And I catch up with my good friend, the very successful Paul Sinclair.
	Paul Sinclair, how are you?
	I'm very good.
	Thank you, Howard.
	And always a pleasure to be speaking with you.
	And like you say, first time I spoke on radio, what to yourself?
	And you've been very gracious and helped me no end.
	It's been a good experience, let's put it that way.
	But let me tell you something, Paul, and it's something that comes to me from experience and having known a lot of people in and around these fields.
	It's one thing to write a book and to start it all off.
	It's a completely different thing to have the follow-through and to be able to do that.
	And you keep doing the research and you're always able to talk on the subject.
	And that's very important.
	Anybody can start it.
	Very few people can finish it.
	Well, once again, it is new to me.
	I mean, granted, the subject's not new, Howard, as you know, but actually, the writing of the books from sort of 2015 up until present time, before that, I'd spent a lifetime knocking nails in wood.
	So it is quite, but I am prolific with the writing, but I'm slow.
	I think the thing with me, Howard, is I'll get up at half past four or five in the morning, and I've done quite a lot by nine o'clock.
	That's the reason it's sort of tortoise and hair with me.
	I get there with it, and then I'm out all the time.
	But this book that I'm writing at the moment, we're probably a couple of months away, that will be the last one for a while because I want to concentrate on obviously it's all the research, but I can gather the accounts, I can gather the witness information.
	But I'm 58 years old, 59 next, by no means sort of unfit, but whilst I'm still very fit and able for my age, I want to get out to these locations and spend as much time as possible rather than sat behind a keyboard.
	And it adds tied me up a little bit, the books, I feel.
	So we shall be probably revisiting the books in a couple of years' time.
	Yeah, but I think, Paul, you know, before we get into the conversation, I think the situation that you're in very much speaks to the fact that you're successful at what you do.
	Because if you are successful at what you do, then everybody wants a piece out of you.
	And they all want to send you a story.
	They all want to communicate with you.
	And, you know, we love this.
	This is our lifeblood.
	It's excellent that people do that.
	But the problem with it in your case is if you are in that situation, it could take you away from the stuff that puts you where you are in the first place.
	That's correct.
	And it's all consuming.
	Outside of this, like everybody else on planet Earth, they've got a life outside of it and a family and grandchildren and a wife.
	So you've got to devote time to everything.
	And increasingly now, on the clifftops or in the forests, there's people wanting to meet all of the time.
	An example is this weekend.
	There's some guys from, and I might pronounce this wrong, guys, I think it's Zycotta Studios or Zycotica Studios.
	And they're doing a documentary.
	And they asked me to participate, which I did.
	And I met up with them on Saturday.
	I've been talking to them for the last 18 months, two years about various things.
	And Philip Mantle's involved and Chris Evers from Outer Limits magazine.
	But two hours Saturday night ended up still being there at midnight.
	You know, so it's just how it is.
	These aren't complaints, people.
	It's about getting the truth out.
	It's about delivering other people's accounts of the strange and inexplicable in the best way possible.
	We don't want to exaggerate them or make them sound any more incredible than they already are.
	However, I want to pack enough information and basically, as I see it, truth around them and things to back them up so that it's not as hard just to sort of laugh them off as ridicule or debunk them.
	And the thing that you find is that, you know, when one person has an experience, I mean, Bempton Cliffs, for example, which is the core of your work, really, you know, if they're in North Yorkshire, we've talked about what happens at and around Bempton Cliffs so many times.
	But like you say, a lot of people have contacted me and they've said, we'd like to go meet Paul.
	We want to go to the cliffs.
	And one or two have said, you know, we had strange experiences when we were there.
	One or two of them have said we met Paul while we were there.
	One or two of them have said we went there and nothing happened, but we could quite see why it would because it's eerie.
	So, you know, you have made that area, that whole sort of triangle that you have going, you know, up and down the coast, all the way up to sort of Scarborough Filey and then inland to a sort of peak and then coming back down towards sort of Hull Grimsby.
	That's your whole area.
	You own that area, but you have made that famous and you have made that a bit of a target for people who are interested in the paranormal.
	Do you think, and then we will get into the conversation, that the fact is that you've shot a light on that area and you are unveiling more things that happen everywhere.
	Or do you think that that area really is some kind of hotspot for paranormality?
	I think it's been there all the time, Howard.
	It's not...
	And I suppose my passion for it, and if I get an idea that I want to speak to somebody and then I want to find out other things that pack around their account, I sort of go for it like a terrier.
	And that's probably what's been lacking in the past, because I do believe that this phenomenon, in whatever shape or form it is, has been here a long time.
	I mean, probably forever.
	It sounds a bit of a sweeping statement, but it's there.
	I mean, the archives prove that, Howard.
	When you know, when you get into a newspaper archive such as the Bridlington Free Press and you start trawling through that from the 1930s up to when it stopped in, when they stopped sort of correlating things, which would have been about, I don't know, 2014, I think.
	It proves it.
	There's a history of unexplained phenomena.
	And what I find intriguing is the multi-phenomena.
	It's the things that people didn't connect or other researchers just as good as me, but they've probably not sat there and re-looked at pages and re-looked at pages and then thought, hold on a minute, there's another unusual thing happened here in conjunction within a few days or within a week of this happening.
	But the reason people have not picked up on it is because they're so detached from one another.
	And you'd think, oh, if that were just a one-off, Howard, then that's fine.
	But it shows up over a period of years.
	And I can't give you tons of examples off the top of my head, but there's examples of the spikes in cat vanishings and cat disappearances.
	With strangest thing, I never, who as a paranormal stroke, UFO investigator is going to be looking at that.
	But then You note that when these objects are seen, these cats are going missing.
	And the objects are quite rare to appear in papers, as you know.
	You know, you open your local paper up, you can open it up for six months, and then all of a sudden you'll see somebody's filed a UFO report.
	But what you're not looking for is the fact that not a huge amount of number of cats, but a number of cats have vanished.
	And you think, oh, that's just a coincidence.
	However, if it shows up in 2006 and it shows up again in 2009 and it happens in, I don't know, 1987, these aren't actual dates, but and this pattern's forming, then you think, well, there's something to this.
	It's the multi-phenomena areas.
	I mean, it really is, Howard.
	And the confluence of these things and the fact that nobody until you has joined up the dots in that area.
	All right.
	Let's talk about the time of year that we're in, Paul.
	You and I have talked often in the depths of winter, and you've talked to me about trips to Bempton, windswept, dark, strange lights in the sky, other phenomena there in high summer.
	Now, I'm from the north of England myself, so I know that this time of year when you're into June, it doesn't go dark until 10 o'clock at night.
	Does that make a difference?
	It does for me personally.
	I don't think it'll make a difference for anything that's out there, should we say, obviously, but it's bustling with holidaymakers and tourists, probably more so this year because there's not as many people traveling overseas.
	But, you know, we've got the seabird colony on the cliffs at Bempton, so you get a lot of people coming to look at the birds.
	And as you say, Howard, it doesn't go dark well half nine or start to get dark half nine, ten o'clock, and then it's getting light again at half past three.
	But make no mistake, the persona of the place does change on a night, and it gets very cold, even in these extreme hot weather.
	I mean, we were up there Saturday, and Chris Evers would tell you of Outer Limits magazine, he was absolutely frozen, and he'd come in suitable clothing for later on in the evening.
	So, and things are still being seen.
	I mean, I suppose the bird, the twitchers or the bird spotters, unless they've also got an interest in the UFO type phenomena, aren't going to be contacting me.
	I mean, if a sphere of light appeared, well, I don't know what they're going to think.
	I know that that's happened in the past, and I've been contacted by people who've been out there looking at the birds.
	So I've had no such reports this year, but nevertheless, it's an interesting place.
	I just find myself going when the tourists have died down a bit.
	I've been spending more time in the forests of North Yorkshire.
	We'll talk about that too, because that all ties in with a documentary that you're doing.
	Since you started doing podcasts, since you started writing more, since you started appearing around the world, of course, people have contacted me, they've contacted you.
	They want to go to the area.
	I want to talk about a couple of people who've appeared recently there.
	A guy called Ian, who came to you from Guernsey.
	So he came all the way from a windswept and rocky place to another one to spend a few nights in the area because he, too, had heard about its reputation.
	Talk to me about him.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	Ian arrived and we arranged to meet the first night.
	And if he listens to this, he'll probably smile to himself because I did tell him we would meet at the RSPB and he turned it up at the RNLI, the lifeboat station.
	So that didn't please me too much, to be honest, because I stood and waited for an hour and a half.
	But anyway, the following night we met up and not a lot of tourists.
	We waited till it started to get dark and I think to myself, anybody who's travelled this far, you know, because he's interested in unexplained phenomena and what I've been writing about, they deserve a little bit of your time.
	So it's pretty uneventful.
	And we're just sort of looking out to sea.
	And Ian looked inland, obviously eyeing the sky.
	It's a beautiful, crisp, clear sky.
	And his words were, what's that there?
	And at the 10 o'clock, the middle of the clock, and the 7 o'clock, there's three red, cum orange lights just appeared.
	And they seemed to be coming towards us.
	I was with a guy called Peter from Bempton.
	Peter saw them as well.
	And they seemed to be moving towards us and then literally just vanished.
	They weren't blinking.
	And that's the sort of configuration, whatever we said, 10, middle, and 7.
	I'm pretty sure they weren't aircraft.
	And it surprised us because normally that kind of light formation and what we're seeing is usually over the sea.
	And they were quite large.
	They weren't little dots, little pinpricks.
	But that's just an example of the strangeness.
	I mean, he'd come a long way.
	And that's probably all this guy saw.
	But nevertheless, something happened in the presence of new people.
	And that's been the case with this, to be honest, Howard, ever since we've been going up there and documenting things.
	And I don't mean that if you arrived, something would guarantee to happen, but it's usually, it's almost like it's playing with you.
	It's usually when you take different people up, people who've never been before.
	I think I spoke on a previous podcast to you and Chris Turner, who did bringing down the light with me and his friend Jerry Denning, and a guy called Mark Farnell, we all went up there one night.
	They'd never been up there before and it was bitterly cold and the lights were performing.
	The lights were appearing and presenting over the sea.
	We managed to get a little bit of footage.
	Now, you would think with a professional cameraman like Chris and Jerry, we'd have got more footage.
	I can't explain how they just appear and when the camera's fired into action, they disappear.
	I don't know whether we're imagining that there's some kind of awareness to them or whether if we're imagining it, then it's a coincidence that we're not catching it every time we try to.
	I mean, I've since bought a little camera now called a Psionics, and this little thing is absolutely brilliant.
	I want to see in complete darkness, but it's really well equipped for filming in the dark.
	That's what it's been designed for.
	So, fingers crossed, this coming year we should get some better footage because even the Sony camera that I use for general purpose work, even though it's got night shot on it, is not up to the job.
	Plus, there's so much moisture up there, you wreck your equipment.
	So, you know, people who come there, they see things, which is extraordinary in itself because most people go to paranormal hotspots, so-called, and they don't have an experience.
	But people, you know, they either feel eerie or like when you were there with Ian from Guernsey, there were lights on display there, and we've talked about those strange dancing lights in the sky there so many times.
	Do you think, just finally, before we have to park it for some commercials here, Paul, that it's possible to summon these phenomena?
	You know, like Stephen Greer has his protocol that supposedly summons UFOs.
	Do you think it's possible for people to will these things?
	I couldn't say categorically, yes, it's possible, but I think there's a possibility that with the right intent and the right kind of mindset, that you can actually will these things to come through, for want of a better word.
	It does seem that there's a lot more expectancy with the strangers, with the people who've never been before.
	Myself, Bob Brown, Steve Ashbridge, I don't mean we're quite blasé about it, but we're expecting to see these things.
	We want to see these things, but it doesn't seem to happen until we take different people up.
	So, Paul, we were talking about the people who come to the area because of its repute, its reputation.
	One such was an American, Alec.
	I don't know, had he been reading your books?
	How'd he find out about you?
	I think he'd read the digital versions of the books, Howard.
	And these guys, I mean, such as Ian, who we've just spoken about, and Alec, they're more important than me sat here talking about this, you know, because other than contacting me, they're doing this for the pursuit of their own knowledge and trying to satisfy themselves what's actually happening in these locations.
	And I really think that people like this should be heard more, maybe in their own right, because he'd traveled from California.
	He'd previously been to Skinwalker.
	Well, as close as he could get to Skinwalker, whilst there, he nearly got arrested because he went onto another area of land and he was surrounded by the people living in that area because I think that I don't know, there'd been quite a lot of trespassing going on.
	And he goes alone, a really sort of gentle, unassuming kind of guy.
	But he got speaking to the locals when the police arrived and things.
	And we'll just stay with Skinwalker for a moment, Howard, because it's interesting that the locals very close to Skinwalker said it's not just there, it's happening everywhere, all around that area.
	And they'd got experiences.
	And when they got speaking to him, obviously they asked him what he'd seen and what were his expectancies.
	And then I think they softened to him a little bit and told him where to look.
	Having said that, he didn't have an experience, not at Skinwalker.
	And from there, this guy, he travelled and I'm hoping I'm going to pronounce this right.
	I think it was the Hoya Baku Forest in Romania, said to be one of the most haunted forests in the world or locations in the world.
	And such a brave guy.
	He went into the forest, or so he tells me, and there's allegedly bears in the forest, wolves, and he went in alone.
	And that's his passion.
	That's the drive that this guy's got.
	I mean, he's doing a better job than me, Howard.
	He's doing a better job than bulket researchers out there to actually jump on a plane and go to these hotspots.
	And he finally ended up at, he'd been to some other places, but he ended up at Bempton.
	And he spent five nights camping on the cliff tops.
	And I met up with him.
	And I thought it was quite uneventful.
	And then he contacted me.
	He said, and on the 6th of June, he was at Bempton, early hours of the morning, walking back to what's called Thornick Bay, where he's camping.
	And midway, that's probably, there's two miles between the locations, and you're just on a desolate clifftop.
	He says he's walking along, and then suddenly he became aware of a very high-pitched ringing sound in his right ear.
	So obviously, listeners, this isn't some dazzling UFO with windows and beings waving at him.
	This is just another aspect to strange phenomena.
	He said, and I stopped dead.
	He says, and I'm thinking, this isn't normal.
	I can hear it.
	It's inside my head, but it's very loud ringing.
	He said, and he stepped backwards a few paces and it stopped.
	He stepped forwards a few paces and it began again.
	He said, then he stepped forwards away from this, we'll call it this zone, this area that it's happening.
	And it stopped.
	Stepped back, it began again.
	So he's gone through this process.
	He took a picture on his phone of the field that he was again.
	He sent me that and he's marked it on a map for me.
	And guess what?
	It's sort of in the zone of where we know that, as you said earlier, Howard, you know, there's lots of things happening up and down the coast, but there's a little epicenter just around here where a lot of strange stuff happens.
	And it's very close to where Bob Brown and my daughter saw this square of illuminated white light in the night that Bob told Gemma it was a board nailed to a post because Gemma had never been before.
	And they're looking at it.
	And then Bob realized that there wasn't a board there.
	And when they put a torch on it, it just dropped to the floor and disappeared.
	You know, but this ringing sound was very much in that area.
	And that's happened before.
	I've heard the ringing sound when I went up there with Steve Ashbridge and Steve's partner, Kelly Hollis.
	So what do we listen?
	There are people who speculated About military activity.
	We have to say that the eastern coast of England, right up to this day, all the way down from Kent and Suffolk, all the way round the coast up to where you are and beyond, there are military installations of various kinds.
	There always have been.
	And people have often speculated about the sort of flights that happen over that area, the kinds of radar activities and scanning activities that may be occurring, whatever it is, that all seem to be tied in somehow, certainly in your area, with UFOs and strange lights in the sky and other bits of paranormality.
	So I guess the point I'm getting to is these reports of people getting ringing in the ear and other sensations there.
	Could there be, do you think, you've researched this before, some kind of military hardware that's being used of some kind to scan the coast, just being deployed, radiating some kind of energy?
	I suppose that's very possible.
	I mean, what I didn't ask Alec is if he turned around, meaning was it one directional and hitting his right ear as he's walking towards Thornwick Bay?
	And if he'd have turned round and faced towards Bempton and Speaton, would it have been in his left ear?
	And that's, we know we don't think to do these things until after the event.
	But it just, it seemed directed, definitely directed, but I couldn't say that it's military technology, although I couldn't say it isn't.
	You know, it's a possibility.
	I noted when those military trucks were around the cliff tops and around the area, I think it was late 2017, people were reporting hearing during the early hours of the morning a very, very low-pitched humming sound.
	And it was, and once again, hands up, I heard it myself.
	And the lady over the road would ring me up and say, can you hear it?
	My wife Mary didn't, but she's got two hearing aids in.
	And the sound, it was a frustrating kind of noise because when you became aware of it, you couldn't un-hear it, if that makes sense.
	But it was almost like it was there.
	It was in the background for hours and hours.
	And then suddenly you zoned in on it.
	And then you couldn't stop listening to it.
	And you actually knew when it had stopped.
	So you'd be laid in bed listening to this humming sound.
	And I'm not alone in saying this.
	A lot of people, I don't get involved in the comments on social media and things, but I do observe them, you know, with people in the Low Clarity on these groups.
	And has anybody heard that strange humming sound in the night?
	And it's quite interesting because we weren't alone in hearing that sound.
	So it makes you think maybe over-the-horizon radar or something that is paranormal.
	Well, something that's connected to the paranormal.
	I mean, perhaps, yeah, but don't forget, I think it was 2020.
	There were quite a few military vessels out off the coast.
	And we'd got the bar owner in Philey who walked home and saw the two white lights under the sea and the purple coloured light and claims that these lights left the sea and were performing just after midnight.
	I think they watched them for an hour.
	I think it was 11.30 till something like 12.37.
	God knows I remember that time, but I think that's what it was.
	And he even phoned his wife and she came from the Crescent where they lived at Philey to watch these lights.
	But in the same time frame, we'd got the 14-foot basking shark that beached itself.
	Something really kind of upset that.
	Is it military technology?
	There was a pod of dolphins that wouldn't leave the Bay of Phyllae during the same timeframe.
	At Bempton on Newsome Lane, all in the same time frame, we're not talking like weeks between.
	There was a guy putting some horses away for the night.
	And the horse broke free and were running around the field very erratically.
	I think I've talked about this one before.
	And the sheep in the neighbouring field ran into the top corner.
	And then this man and his friend observed the telegraph wires, the electricity cables, bouncing and arcing blue sparks within 30 yards of this.
	Well, and then there was a large split.
	I took pictures of the tree and the tree split in half and fell onto the cables.
	I mean, it sounds crazy.
	I mean, you know, I'm going to say these things happen.
	mean, could be just all coincidence.
	Well, they happen more than...
	He went to the famous Skinwalker Sherman Ranch in Utah, which is said to be a hotspot for paranormal and UFO activity.
	But for something strange to happen, he had to come to Bempton.
	Yeah, and it's not outrageously strange.
	You know, in the grand scheme of things, Howard, imagine how many people might experience that on those cliff tops and just think, oh, that were odd.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	It's a strange thing.
	And he went there looking for unexplained phenomena.
	And that's why he contacted me to meet up.
	But he's not claiming to have seen a UFO or any strange being or cryptid type entity.
	He's heard a strange sound that he can't account for.
	And he said it were directed at his right ear in one particular spot, stepped backwards, it disappeared.
	Stepped to the spot, it restarted, stepped forward, it disappeared.
	Interesting.
	You know.
	How bizarre.
	I mean, you think maybe microwave technology, infrasonic or something else.
	You were talking to me before we started recording this about a couple of guys from Outer Limits magazine.
	In fact, you did actually mention this while we were speaking, who came to visit you.
	You were doing something with them and they had an experience.
	That's correct.
	Well, John Summers of, I think they call it Zykotica Studios.
	And I don't know tons about him.
	I've been talking to John for probably 18 months, two years.
	And he said he wanted to come up and meet up with us.
	They're going to do a documentary.
	Philip Mantle's involved in it and Chris Evers of Outer Limits magazine.
	And I Left at midnight.
	They were going to stay the night up there.
	And I've spoke to Chris Evers about this this morning.
	And I think sometime after three o'clock in the morning, they walked back down to the stands, you know, where people look out over the sea and look at the bird colony.
	Looked in land, and what they describe as a huge light like a car headlamp just come on in the sky and then switched off just as quick.
	We realize this in close encounters, people, but you know, it's still unusual.
	And who's going to be there in that location between 3 and 3.30 in the morning to see these things?
	You know, they didn't say that it started blinking and flew away, which indicates that you've got a plane.
	I don't know, landing lights on coming towards you, although that wouldn't be happening because they'd have to land in sea.
	But, you know, just a single experience like that, you know, and very interesting.
	Well, yeah, and ties into all of the previous things.
	Do you think, and we're coming to the end of another segment here, but do you think that that area is being, I mean, look, we don't know, and we've said this before, whether there is, we suspect there is, military interest and maybe military technology deployed in that area.
	But there's also a paranormal tie-in.
	So I think, you know, we could reasonably ask, do we think that the military, and that includes the Americans, because you've seen American vehicles there, haven't you?
	Yes, correct, yes, yes.
	That the military are interested in whatever the phenomena may be, or the military are somehow connected with the phenomena, if you know what I'm saying.
	I think that they're very much interested in whatever it may be, and not just in this area.
	And I mean, we know we hear exotic things about captured technology and reversed engineering.
	I know nothing about any of that.
	But it does appear that there's a military interest in this because we've noted that when we've seen these inexplicable lights on the East Yorkshire and North Yorkshire moors and on the wolds, when we've seen them over the sea, it doesn't take 15 to 20 minutes before you've got jets milling about.
	And that's interesting in itself.
	It's almost like there's a response because something strange has been seen.
	And I don't think it can be denied, Howard.
	I'm pretty sure that they've got an avid interest in what's happening and what's appearing in the skies around us.
	On a previous show, we talked about a UFO-type event that happened on an RAF base in your area, east of Yorkshire.
	Do you know any more about that?
	I do, yes.
	And that's part of the reason I was keen to talk with John Summers of Zycotica because it was, and Lotton I'd be saying it, because he's allowed me to film him.
	It was John who had the experience.
	And he's now in his 50s.
	And this was, as we previously said, this was November, late November 1980.
	So this is the man who was a young guy as an army cadet practicing the foxhole dugouts and camouflage techniques on the outskirts of RAF Leconfield.
	And you see, I probably didn't say the RAF base in the other podcast that we did, Howard, but I don't mind now because sort of the cat's out of the bag, if you know what I mean.
	John's kindly allowed me to film him and record his interview.
	And basically, him and two friends witnessed a glowing white pyramid descend from the sky and land in the field very close to where they were practicing their camouflage techniques and in the foxhole dugout type things.
	So that was November 1980.
	So I think it's got massive implications when connected to Rendlesham Forest.
	Yes, because all of that happened a month after this.
	That's correct.
	And let's not, I don't want people to think that they're doing a documentary and that's why we're talking about it.
	I don't think that's going to be included.
	John agreed to let me interview him and record his sighting as part of coming over here.
	I don't think this has anything to do with the documentary because I did tell him I would probably sit on it for a while.
	I don't mean don't talk about it, but I would sit on it for a while before I want to do more research, basically.
	I want to find out more about it.
	I mean, I think in the past, as I said, I never said that it was RAF Leconfield.
	So there's got to be personnel from 1980 at R.A.F.
	Leconfield.
	There's got to be people who've got some connection to this event.
	So he's saying that this is, all right, it's 41 years ago, very nearly, that an illuminated pyramidal craft landed near an RAF base that you are now naming.
	There must have been people on duty.
	There must have been people who had seen that.
	As they were hiding, as this thing came down, he was the oldest.
	He'd got sort of rank over the other two.
	He said, and the younger boy was absolutely crying and terrified, hysterical.
	He said, and they're not all together.
	They're in various little places, I don't know, 10, 20 feet apart.
	He says, and two Land Rovers came down the runway, tearing down the runway with lights on top.
	Military personnel got out of one of the Land Rovers with batons.
	He didn't say they had weapons other than batons and immediately went towards the pyramid, which instantly blinked out and ceased to exist.
	It just wasn't there.
	And he said, I think he said it were about 30 foot across in each direction.
	30 feet.
	And this all happened adjacent to RAF Leconfield, which is near Beverly.
	Beverly in Yorkshire.
	That's correct.
	On the perimeter of the base.
	And, you know, well, let's just keep jumping to Rendlesham and think something appeared on the perimeter of a military base in Rendlesham Forest.
	I just find it fascinating.
	So he said the military personnel, or I don't know whether they said one of them or two of them, I think it were two of them, walked to where this thing had been and they're swishing their battens about into the thin air.
	It's not there.
	This thing's not there.
	And then from there, these because one of the young boys was crying and really upset, they were found, you know, because they were part of the cadet force, but they weren't part of the, obviously, the military of R.A.F.
	Leconfield.
	So they were gathered up, taken in the Land Rovers, not interrogated, they were very well.
	And the parents were phoned, and basically they were taken home.
	And one of the witnesses, and I thought I would be able to come out with the military personnel, was part of the military and asked his grandson never to speak about it again.
	And I'll probably be able to tell more when I've gone through the footage and spoke to John more about it.
	There's a lot more to it than what I'm just talking about now, but I just find it fascinating.
	So there will be, there are obviously, if he was debriefed, there are other people who know about this, maybe have a sense of what it was.
	We have to also say, and I'm going to have to wrap up and take commercials in just seconds here, but this is the year 1980 of Alan Godfrey, the PC at Togmaden, the police constable who had his experience.
	This is also the year of Rendlesham Forest, which is, they say, the UK's Roswell.
	This happened, you say, at Leconfield, and you're investigating it more, in 1980, which is astonishing.
	That is an astonishing occurrence that we must talk about more.
	But boy, is it interesting.
	Now, Paul, we've often talked about crypto creatures of various kinds, and I know that you've talked about these wolf-like creatures that you're making a documentary about that inhabit or seem to inhabit the forest up there.
	Just before we get into them and the latest on them, there have been loads of reports lately about big cats in the United Kingdom.
	There was one in the Lake District a couple of weeks back where a woman was absolutely terrified this thing was swishing its tail and she was terrified she was about to get mauled.
	Are you getting reports like that from your kind of area?
	We are getting reports like that, Howard, yes.
	Not just around Bookton, which seemed to be prominent.
	I don't know, every few years people report seeing a panther-like cat around Bookton and, well, Bempton and surrounding area.
	But also going towards Flixton, there was a report from what's called the Seymour Cars.
	And as we've said before, the cars are the area of wetland.
	You know, you've got the Flixton cars and the Seymour cars.
	It's spelt C-A-R-R-S, meaning reeds and elder and sort of wet marsh type vegetation.
	But there's a refuge tip close to the Seymour cars.
	And I've been told by only a few weeks ago, a heavy goods vehicle driver said that he went up there to collect materials from the tip during the night after the tip had closed.
	Now, when I say he told me a few weeks ago, I don't mean the cat sighting was a few weeks ago.
	It was prior to this.
	However, he got out of his cab and the security man came up to him or one of the security operatives and said, just be careful as you're walking around.
	We've seen a Black Panther.
	Which is an odd thing to say.
	I mean, the guy contacted me and told me.
	But that's a very definite statement.
	We have seen a Black Panther.
	Yes.
	And that's a trip I'm going to be making.
	I mean, it's not an exotic trip, is it?
	I'm going off to a refuge trip, guys, but that's where I'll be going.
	But it's not the first time.
	Close to where one of my daughters lives at Cayton, just out of Eastfield, there's an industrial estate.
	And you've got Plaxton's coaches, the coach builders.
	And I've been contacted by guys working at Plaxton's to say that they saw a large black cat.
	They didn't say a panther, but much larger than your average house cat walking along the side of the sort of the chain link fencing.
	Claim they've seen this thing.
	Now, we're only looking at a mile from the Seymour Tip, you know, you know, and the cars.
	There's a lady who's got horses down on West Garth, close to Flickston.
	And I spoke to her, and she claims that she'd seen this large, as she called it, a panther, tail flicking as well as the sort of, I don't know whether that's because they're irritated or interested, but in the field.
	But it's a place called West Garth, if anybody wants to Google these places in between Caton and Flixton, because there's a new housing estate and then a large expanse of field and then trees opposite it.
	It's right on edge of the, you know, the Flixton area where all these historic reports come from.
	But it's, once again, Howard, we've got reports of exotic type animals that coincide with reports of strange bipedal cryptid type animals in the same area.
	Multi-phenomena area, once again, and the UFO reports.
	Lots and lots of reports of lights and unexplained phenomena over that area.
	You know, the farmer that contacted me driving home, I don't know the date off the top of my head, but it's early hours of the morning and he's where there's a gap as you come from Staxton driving towards Flixton.
	There's a sort of a gap between some bungalows and some other properties of probably a mile looking down onto the cars and the fields and the huge sphere over the fields.
	In his eyes, it looked as big as the moon, as big as the full moon.
	And then when he got back to his farm, because he'd seen it in this gap, when he got back to his farm, this overwhelming fear had come over him.
	He said, but when he entered the farmhouse, he went to bed and didn't remember it then till next day.
	So almost like there's another incident of some kind taken place that is forgot.
	Everything within the subject is strange and disjointed because nothing makes sense, does it?
	And disjointed, but in some ways connected, which makes it fascinating okay the big cat sightings are nationwide but they in your area appear to tie in with everything else that's going on which brings us to I hesitate to use the word weir wolves but the sighting of these wolf-like creatures that you have been investigating which is a little north isn't it from where you usually work isn't it inland from Phylee and up a little bit yeah it is but I mean don't forget Howard people
	reported seeing these bipedal type things on the cliff tops as well you know all all the way up and and what's interesting is it the the thread runs through folklore it runs from ancient times which is which is even more fascinating you know all all the way up the coast when we go to sort of
	Whitby, Raven, Scar, Kettleness and and inland then to the forests of North Yorkshire Dalby forest and and and further into interior of these forests we've got the reports of these huge bipedal dog-like creatures that go back hundreds and hundreds of years I found in an archive a guy called Howard Braley documenting what he called the Barghest of East Aiton which was a huge
	fur-covered hound with flaming red eyes or or said to have flaming red eyes that the the people were documenting hundreds of years ago you travel six miles away from that and they talk about the Barghest of East Aiton or or sorry of Aiton you know and then in present time you've got these people coming to me who I must stressor totally unrelated to one another telling me these
	absolutely bizarre stories about entering the forest in of North Yorkshire to do wild camping three men getting trapped into the forest with something with self-illuminating glowing eyes that observed them all night long and we have talked about this before but whatever this is and as you say it ties back into folklore it seems to be almost primeval exactly it's it's traveled through time whatever it is whether
	whether it's some kind of ghostly apparition whether it really is physical there must be some kind of physical to it Howard because the guys the guys in the forest the three guys claimed that they could hear it breathing they at first it was the breathing was so heavy and guttural they thought it were growling and then after a while they realized it were breathing but why don't we get many I mean I know that there is this paranormal aspect to it but why do you think we don't get
	physical evidence I don't know any more than I suppose the people researching Skinwalker and the other areas in the world I mean there's people I'm doing all this Howard on a show string there's people thrown thousands probably millions at the subject and not got as much as what we've documented and all you can do and all you can do and the very best and the most useful thing that you can do is to gather the evidence because
	once you have enough evidence you know gathered and garnered it may point you to some conclusions and might take you a little further along it may do you know and I'll tell you what's interesting I've got a few people
	men of science that sounds a bit grand but people within the scientific community actually sort of taking a little bit of notice of what I'm talking about with these light forms because you know the lights that are displaying over the sea which we talked about previously because they are being seen with some kind of regularity when they do decide to present and you have got documented evidence in the form of the lifeboat agencies
	going out searching for boats and planes in distress and finding nothing after these all night searches or five hour searches so there is there is evidence of something and as I've said before Howard just to put it down as false alarm with good intent don't seem to cut it anymore because there's definitely something occurring up there that so you can't be denied if the if the professional agencies are actually sending people out to search Well that's true can't deny that
	give me an update finally then Paul on the Humminby Gap pyramids Right yeah well this was sent to me a few months ago by a lady and a husband who moved to Humminby in I think 2015 2016 and it was in May 2016 that this lady had this strange experience where she said they bought a little bungalow and on the landing as they visit the bathroom you can look through that window and
	you can see the sea and there's a bungalow either side of obscuring their view but you have a good view of the sea between the gap so that needs to be stressed before we go into the story so in the early hours of the morning this lady got up to use the bathroom and she stressed I can never actually walk past the window without having a look at the sea she said and I looked and there's a strange sort of black object not a cloud it's it's it's a jaggedy shaped black object that's large in
	the sky because you can see the horizon and the sea above the bungalows very much in the middle so i'm watching it and trying to work my work out what it is i'm thinking well it's not a cloud it's a beautiful blue morning it's early hours and it's summer it's may 2016.
	Then it's meant to just break up, it sort of pixelate, and it just broke up, and it formed into three large pyramids.
	I asked her to describe how big she thought there was, you know, the example of holding a pea at arm's length, and she said a matchbox.
	Each one looked to be the size of a matchbox at arm's length, and the black, and the touching at the bottom.
	any light source sounds anything like that no lights no lights no sounds but an intermined connection if that's what we're going to call it she said because i watched them for a short time and then all of a sudden i felt like they were watching me And I felt like they connected and they knew.
	And she said, I went, obviously, I said I left the window.
	I went into bed.
	I put my head over the duvet and I just waited till it were a suitable time to get up.
	Absolutely frightened her to death.
	She was even hesitant when she was telling me, thinking she's going to somehow, I wouldn't say evoke, but stir this up again.
	She's not waited all these years, wanting to tell me before, but didn't.
	But part of the reason for not speaking about it was the fear that these pyramids evoked and they did nothing except sit in the sky.
	But once again, we'd be looking at, you know, early hours at morning on a summer morning.
	You would think that at Hummumby, there would have been somebody walking their dog.
	There would have been somebody out in a boat.
	Are there other people out there who've witnessed this that might eventually come forward?
	It's happened with Willsthorpe, Howard.
	More witnesses have come forward with the things that happened at Willstorpe in September 2009.
	So it's possible with little cameos of events like the Ummami Gap pyramids.
	There's other people out there just sitting on a sighting.
	Because they think they're the only ones.
	Just tell me briefly what happened at Willstorpe, remind me.
	Willstorpe is the huge circle of what the old couple described as UFOs that were hovering over the sea in September the 15th, 2009.
	I wrote about it in the first truth proof book.
	And there was a lot of activity in that period of 2009, and that's in the book.
	We're completely out of time, but isn't it interesting?
	Ordinary people experiencing, once again, which is what I've been saying since I've been doing this show, extraordinary things.
	What's going on with you at the moment?
	How's the book going?
	Let's just give ourselves an update on the book that you're writing at the moment.
	The book's going very well.
	It's completed.
	It's just sort of going through all my bad spelling and punctuation, which there's plenty of.
	Obviously, it's Truth Proof 4, because Night People were kind of a separate entity to the Truth Proof books.
	And I'm trying to settle on a subtitle, and it probably will be The Fantasy of Reality.
	I still haven't made my mind what.
	Truth Proof 4, Fantastic Reality.
	No, Howard, The Fantasy of Reality.
	Okay, The Fantasy of Reality.
	No, I was just thinking of trying to get it down into two words, but I've never been any good at those things.
	Paul, thank you very much indeed.
	If people want to contact you, if they want to check out your work, this is the time to tell them your website.
	The website is truthproof.uk.
	And any sightings or reports that you've got, please send them there.
	I've got a great friend who helps me with the website, Don Lodge, and he'll make sure that they get put on and sort of you'll be represented in a favorable way.
	Let's put it that way.
	And the books are available on the website, and they're also available through Amazon.
	Thank you, Howard.
	Keep doing the good work, Paul.
	We'll talk again soon.
	We'll never run out of things to talk about.
	Have a good day, Paul.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The amazing Paul Sinclair, he will return.
	We wish him well with all of his projects.
	Your thoughts about this show and all of the shows, gratefully received.
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	And I'll be catching up with you again soon, here online and hopefully on the radio.
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