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March 23, 2020 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 436 - Mike Ricksecker

Author, broadcaster and "ghostorian" Mike Ricksecker on"the Alaska Triangle" and shadow people...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is the Unexplained.
	Well, I hope that life is as good as it can be for you wherever in the world you happen to be.
	I'm not going to do any shout-outs or anything like this on this edition, but thank you very much for all of your email and of course I get to see it all.
	And if you send me an email that requires a reply, then you will get one.
	And if you don't, please remind me and then you definitely will get one.
	These are, as they say, interesting times.
	I haven't really spoken on these podcasts about the coronavirus.
	There are many people who are speaking about the coronavirus.
	There are some people online who are not helping things with doomsday predictions or they're saying that it's nothing or they're saying it's a political conspiracy or whatever they may be saying.
	And I've got to say on this show, because my background is journalism, I am resisting any temptation, if there ever was any, to do anything like that here because I don't think it's going to help.
	What people need now in this situation is forbearance and good information.
	Now this country, as I record this and by the time you hear it, things may well have changed.
	This is a fast-moving situation, but this country seems to have taken a different approach to handling the coronavirus when compared with other countries in Europe that went pretty quickly to lockdown situations.
	But I have to say, here's what I observed today.
	Now, it is the most beautiful spring day.
	It is the kind of day, and I'm looking out of the window now at a blue sky, it's late afternoon time as I record this, the kind of day that I would have woken up normally and said, thank you, whoever it is up there, for sparing me another year to see another spring.
	A beautiful day.
	I might even have gone out on my bike on a day like this.
	Today I went to the post office and to the shops, and I stood in one of the longest post office queues in this area that I've ever seen.
	And I looked at people.
	Nobody was speaking to anybody else, but I looked at people and I got the impression that they seemed to be wanting on this Monday, as I record this, to tie up their business as quickly as possible.
	And to some extent, that was what I was doing.
	I was getting a parcel sent away.
	I thought I better get that done now.
	So there is also this, almost rather, this kind of feeling that people are preparing for something, but they don't know what the something is.
	And that is the difficulty.
	Now, like I say, it is pointless me saying much more about this, because by the time you hear this, the situation everywhere may have changed, including in this country.
	So I'm not going to say very much more about it, but I'm just observing what happened.
	Then I went to a big supermarket here, and it was, well, it was heaving, as we say here in the UK.
	A lot of people, a lot of empty shelves, but still food to buy.
	Some people have been buying inordinate quantities, which I think is a really stupid thing to do and is pointless because the supply chain will keep running.
	And all you do, if you buy, I mean, people have been buying scores of toilet rolls.
	One person I heard about in my local supermarket the other day, the checkout person said somebody walked in and bought 200 cans of baked beans.
	Now, what on earth you would want to do with 200 cans of baked beans, I have no idea.
	Maybe they were buying them for 50 households.
	I don't know.
	But that's a strange thing, and you hear stories like that all the time.
	So we're learning things, I think, about human behavior through this crisis, if I may call it that.
	And I think it is, without a doubt, a crisis.
	But where it's going to go next, I have no idea.
	The experts are telling us many different things.
	And I think all we have to do in the midst of all of this is try to pull together as a human race because it is the one thing, our humanity, that unites us.
	And again, I don't want to sound like a preacher because if you make pronouncements, you only set yourself up to be shot down.
	But that's what I think we need to be coming together at this stage.
	And our politicians need to forget their differences and work on behalf of the people, which for some of them may be a refreshing new experience.
	Does that make me sound like an old cynic?
	I have no idea.
	But that's my thought about coronavirus.
	If you want to send me your reflections on the way it is wherever you are, whether you're in a different part of the United Kingdom, maybe you're up in Stornoway, you know, north of Scotland, or maybe you're down in Cornwall, the furthest southwest tip of the United Kingdom, next stop, North America, from there, you know, cross the Atlantic.
	Whether you're in Ireland or whether you're my friends in Europe or my friends in the United States or Canada or New Zealand or Japan or Singapore, wherever you happen to be.
	If you want to, let me know.
	It would be interesting to compare experiences.
	But like I said, I'm just talking off the top of my head here.
	It is the most bizarre period that I've ever seen in this life of mine.
	And I've seen some times and been some places and done some things.
	Maybe it's the same for you.
	All I can do is wish you the very best.
	I wish you good health.
	I wish you peace.
	And I wish you safety in all of this.
	And like I say, we all, as friends, maybe through this podcast as friends, have to be together and come together in the middle of all of this.
	And hopefully, the situation will change for the better very, very soon.
	But again, let me caveat everything that I've just said with the words that it all may have changed by the time you actually hear this in a few days from now.
	That is the fast-moving and fluid situation that we're dealing with.
	Now, the Unexplained continues.
	Thank you to Adam at Creative Hotspot for his work on the website.
	And thank you to Haley for booking my guests for me.
	The person we have on the show this time is a man called Mike Ricksecker.
	And we'll talk principally about two things.
	One, something called the Alaska Triangle, which is a little bit like the Bermuda Triangle, but different.
	I don't know if that's any help to you, but strange things happen there.
	So we'll talk about that.
	And we'll also talk about the great enigma of shadow people that we've addressed here before, but never fails to amaze and intrigue, don't you think?
	So Mike Ricksecker, the guest on this edition.
	If you want to get in touch with me, go to the website theunexplained.tv.
	Send me an email from there.
	And if you feel that you can, please make a donation to the show through the website theunexplained.tv.
	Follow the link and you can do that.
	There's a PayPal link there.
	If you have made a donation recently, thank you very, very much for doing that.
	Okay, let's get to Mike Ricksecker in the US.
	And we're going to talk, amongst other things, about the Alaska Triangle.
	Mike, thank you very much for coming on my show.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Thank you for having me on.
	I really appreciate it.
	Well, Mate, you call yourself, Mike, an author and ghost storian.
	That's a fantastic word.
	I mean, author, we know.
	Ghostorian is something new.
	Yeah, a ghost storian, that's a term that I coined.
	Basically, it's ghost historian.
	The definition I give it is a person who researches the history of a ghost and the place in which it haunts.
	But like I said, it's basically marrying the two words ghost historian, but I didn't really want to step on the toes of people who have a degree in history.
	While I have a degree in simulation programming and I have a love for history, but I had spent several years in the library industry, in the IT department.
	And those people who call themselves librarians who actually have a master's in library science get very, very particular when somebody else comes in and calls somebody at the circulation desk a librarian when they're really not.
	So I didn't want to do that same thing with historians.
	So I just came up with my own term.
	I think that's a very good idea.
	If you're in any doubt or you think that somebody may challenge you on what you're calling yourself, then make your own term.
	And ghostorian is a fantastic term that other people, if you don't mind, other people should use maybe.
	And the other thing, the great thing about it is, the main thing about it is, is that a lot of people you talk to about ghosts and that I've talked to over the years about ghosts can say, well, yes, this thing was experienced in this place and there is a dark shadow-like figure experienced and a weeping and a wailing and a gnashing of teeth.
	And then you say, have you done any research on the background of that location or the specter that you saw?
	And they say, well, no, I couldn't really find out very much.
	So to use the term ghostorian means that you're actually doing a bit of research behind the ghost that you investigate.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	That's a big part of what I do.
	It's not just going in there and experiencing the things that go bump in the night.
	You know, there's a lot of research in what I do, whether it's the history of the location, the people that live there, I'll dive into newspaper archives and old records, old books, all of that sort of thing to get the full story of what happened at this particular building or particular location and what actually happened with the people there.
	Because these people, while, okay, they're haunting, you might hear a ghost story or something like that.
	You know, these people led lives, whether it was, you know, 50, 100, 200 years ago, what have you.
	And I think a lot of times these people get lost at times.
	So while we go in and there and investigate a particular haunting, we're also allowing these people's stories to be told today.
	Okay, we'll talk about the ghosts a little later and also your investigations and researches into poltergeists, if you don't mind at the end of this.
	First of all, talk with me about you because I've been reading a little bit of biographical information about you and you've had a pretty great life by the looks of it.
	You've done some things that people like me who live a suburban life in London would regard as quite exciting.
	Well, yeah, I suppose I've done a few things.
	And actually, I come from a small town in Ohio.
	So I've put myself out there, I guess, so to speak.
	And yeah, I've been involved some way, shape, or form with the paranormal since I was a teenager.
	I just got done with the Alaska Triangle show.
	I know you wanted to talk a little bit about that.
	I do.
	Yeah, I have the 11 books that I've written so far, ranging from historic ghost stories.
	I have my latest book on shadow people that just came out.
	And I also have a couple of mystery novels.
	I run around the country all year long doing conferences and speaking about these particular subjects.
	And I also have a publishing company that I run that we do both video publishing, which we have our YouTube channel, Hotter Road Media.
	And then there's the actual book publishing side of it.
	And I represent a number of authors who put their work out there as well.
	Yeah, you've done a lot of things that most of us don't do in one lifetime.
	The Alaska Triangle was what really piqued my interest, because you know that if you turn on digital television in any part of the world now, there will be at least three programs on at any one time about Alaska.
	There is a perennial and enduring fascination with Alaska.
	I've never been there, and I've always wanted to see it because I see it as being a place apart.
	And maybe you have the same fascination.
	The fact that you've done so much research there would suggest that.
	Yeah, you know, they call Alaska one of our final frontiers.
	It's a wide open land up there, of course, very mountainous as well, but it's really untapped.
	My first introduction to Alaska was back in the early 90s, 1992, 1995.
	I was stationed up there in the United States Air Force, and I was just a young kid, you know, when I was 18 years old.
	And yeah, it was just kind of culture shock to me.
	It's very, very different.
	You know, the winters there are very long.
	They get very dark and cold.
	I experienced right off the bat coming off the airplane, a volcano had just erupted out there.
	And it's basically still, there was still ash in the air that was coming down out of the sky, along with all the snow that was already on the ground too.
	Just, you know, between that, the earthquakes that were up there.
	You know, we talk about the Alaska, the Triangle, the show that I was on there for, on the travel channel for.
	And there's a lot of electromagnetic activity up there that a lot of these missing planes and disappearances have been attributed to.
	And just within the first few months that I was up there, there was a plane taking off from the Anchorage Airport in which the engine just fell right off the plane.
	And it crashed into a supermarket parking lot.
	And fortunately, nobody was hurt.
	But still, it's just one of those crazy things that there was a Turn.
	Only in Alaska do these sorts of things happen.
	It's really wild territory up there.
	It's a place that tests people, isn't it?
	It really is.
	You can get cooped up in your house all winter long, and people do get cabin fever up there.
	The one winter I was up there and we had the third most snowfall in recorded history in Anchorage up there.
	There's 121 inches of snow that year.
	Yeah, it was a lot.
	You're out there shoveling.
	There's no other place to throw the snow.
	So it does really wear on you through those long winter months.
	But also, running parallel with that and the fact that you have to be a hardy individual to be able to survive there, but there are rewards in terms of the purity of the life that people leave, if that's the word that I could use.
	There are also strange phenomena that present themselves.
	And a lot of them, I know that you were involved in a TV series that featured a lot of those things.
	But I've got, I mean, I printed out a whole lot of your stuff here today, and I'm holding this big, long document.
	And I'm just going to quote from one of the things that I saw on your website.
	My appearances on the Alaska Triangle in the episodes The Missing Douglas, The Alaskan Titanic, and Alaskan Bigfoot were to talk about portals and vortices and how they affect the region.
	So I wonder if we can get into some of that.
	You know, first of all, the general strangeness of the idea that the Alaskan Triangle, which I'd never heard of until I started to read about you, that the Alaskan triangle may have similar characteristics to the one that we all know about, the Bermuda Triangle.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, the Bermuda Triangle is one that we definitely all know about.
	But these triangle areas are actually all over the world.
	I'm, of course, more familiar with the ones around the United States, like the Bridgewater Triangle.
	There's the Michigan Lake Triangle, Alaska as well.
	And these are basically areas around the world, which basically house a lot of vortex activity.
	And what a vortex is, is this magnetic energy that rises up out of the Earth's core into these different locations like this.
	And when you have a large area that it encompasses, we call that a vortex.
	And things like another term that we use is portals, which is basically a doorway into another dimension or space-time.
	And you mentioned the missing Douglas, and one of the theories about that plane going missing was that it possibly could have ventured into a portal and got lost into another dimension.
	That's why it was never found.
	And those are the stories that fascinate people most about the Bermuda Triangle.
	Now, this Douglas, I'm guessing, was it a Douglas TC-3?
	Yes.
	Yes, it was.
	Right.
	And when was this?
	This was 1950.
	So it happened some time ago.
	But there have been a number of different missing airplanes and boats and all kinds of different craft.
	And actually, since 1988, 16,000 people have gone missing in Alaska.
	So it's a variety of different vehicles and people.
	All right.
	If we can unpick some of it, missing planes, for example.
	Now, if your aviation equipment has been tested to the limit, if you're working in sub-zero temperatures, if you've got 100 inches of snow or whatever it is, conditions, and you will know this because of your professional experience there, you know, I know you were young when you were doing that, but not an easy place to fly in.
	So is it that unusual that some planes may go missing?
	Do the circumstances of, say, that DC-3 and its disappearance, do they suggest it's something much more than the mechanical challenges of being in a harsh environment?
	Well, there are certainly some vehicles and airplanes that certainly go down and go missing because of those type of circumstances.
	Certainly the natural elements will play a part into some of these disappearances and crashes.
	With that particular DC-3, though, it was a mostly sunny day.
	The weather was fine.
	They had perfectly clear communications all up until it got close to SNAG in the Yukon territory, which is just past the Alaska border.
	And all of a sudden, everything went quiet, and there was absolutely no sign of where this DC-3 may have crashed.
	Now, a couple months later, there was another smaller plane that crashed near SNAG.
	They were able to find that immediately.
	Smaller plane, crew was fine, and they were able to find it, but yet this much bigger airplane with a large, large crew, 44 people, completely disappeared, and the weather was fine that day.
	And what of the theories down these years, down these seven decades as it is now, isn't it, very nearly?
	What are the theories of how it might have happened?
	I mean, a lot of the theories have to do with, of course, the mechanics of the plane going bad.
	You know, people that theorize the vortex and portal activity could be that it veered off course if the electromagnetic activity from the vortex was doing something to manipulate the controls.
	Because you think about the compass on an airplane, the gimbal, and all those sorts of things, those are all controlled by magnetics.
	And so you get that electromagnetic activity in the air.
	Some of the boats that have gone missing there, they were a mile off course and they get holed up on a reef.
	And this is a captain that has been sailing this ship for three years or what have you.
	He knows the course.
	Right.
	So if the magnetics are going wrong, and if you're depending on instruments in that way, which certainly a DC-3 in that era would have been heavily dependent on those things, then if your instruments are being thrown out, then you could end up going anywhere and crashing potentially.
	But was any wreckage of that plane found?
	No, not at all.
	There was not a thing found.
	The only thing that and it's not even a physical object, but there was some radio chatter that was heard while they were out with the search parties.
	And it lasted for a very short period of time.
	They could tell it was human voices, but they couldn't really discern what it was saying.
	And then the transmission stopped.
	So there was some speculation as to whether or not it had been the crew of the DC-3 trying to communicate.
	Some people do speculate that the radio signal was coming back from the other side of the portal.
	Of course, that's pure speculation.
	But there was no wreckage, even to this day, of that DC-3.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	And When you say the radio signal may, some people have speculated, have come back from the other side of the portal, what exactly does that mean?
	You mean it's been spun around and delayed in time?
	Well, or that it was actually in real time, but if, okay, if the airplane has gone through the portal and is in another dimension, it could still be trying to communicate from that other side.
	Of course, not realizing that they've gone through a portal and they're trying to communicate through the portal.
	But in some of my paranormal investigations, I've been in a situation interacting with a shadow spirit, and the physical interaction was such in that I could see the shadow, it blew through a door, and you could hear the slam of the door as it went through it.
	The door didn't move at all.
	And so looking at the situation, okay, what happened here?
	If I'm crossing planes of existence with this particular shadow, I'm not seeing its interaction with the object, but I'm hearing it.
	That's telling me that the sound wave is, it's on a different wavelength than what I'm actually visually seeing, one I'm visually experiencing.
	So that sound is actually able to travel between different dimensions is what that's telling me.
	I get it.
	So do you think, as some people have postulated about the Bermuda Triangle, that there may be another place?
	And increasingly, researchers are talking about the possibility of parallel universes, different dimensions, and all of that.
	People don't laugh at this stuff anymore.
	They're interested in it, which is, you know, a step forward, I think.
	Do you think that there might be a place where there are, and as you said, you know, a lot of planes over the years have gone missing in Alaska.
	It may be to do with whatever is affecting them there.
	Do you think there might be a place where all of those planes are not in pieces, but may still be somehow existing?
	Yeah, they can still be wholly existing on some other plane of existence and another dimension.
	There's even some ideas that perhaps that portal takes them to another place in time.
	So perhaps that object, whether it's a plane or a boat or what have you, is actually in another time period, you know, maybe 100 years from now or maybe 500 years ago.
	We don't know, but it could have actually slipped through time as well.
	It's another idea.
	You said to me that 16,000 people, I'm not sure over what period of time that is, but 16,000 people have vanished.
	That sounds like a big figure to me.
	I don't know how it compares with other states in the U.S. or other places, but that sounds like a lot of people.
	Yeah, 16,000 since 1988.
	It's an extremely high rate.
	You have to think that Alaska is very sparsely populated.
	So while 16,000 may not be the largest missing persons number throughout the entire country, the actual percentage, the per capita, is extremely high up there.
	And what are the, of those 16,000 cases, which ones are there a few that have perhaps piqued your interest particularly that are particularly strange and particularly inexplicable?
	Well, the most significant is, it actually is another one that has to do with a plane, a missing plane.
	That would be the, we had the Speaker of the House in 1970s, Hale Boggs.
	He and one of the congressmen up there in Alaska disappeared in the 1970s.
	Never found.
	To this day, there are four people on that airplane.
	And that's the most high-profile case out there in Alaska.
	And that's the one that really got people talking about this possibility of an Alaska triangle.
	Yeah, we already had the DC-3 and other planes and boats.
	There was the Alaska Titanic during the 19 teens that had its issues.
	So there was already all these crazy things that are going on up there.
	But that one there, where you actually had these high-profile politicians go missing, that's the one where people actually started talking about a possible triangle.
	As far as you can remember, what were the circumstances of the flight?
	Circumstances of the flight were just a small prop plane, really.
	The guy that had been flying at Don John's, it was, again, a route that he had been taking for years.
	Basically, they were campaigning.
	This was during the fall 1972.
	The weather had not gotten bad yet.
	That day, I guess it was starting to get a little hairy, but still, I guess not too bad.
	And they were campaigning.
	The hailboggs was up there helping, and basically they were helping each other stump for votes and going from, I think it was Juneau they were headed, I believe they were headed towards Fairbanks or maybe it was Anchorage, but they were basically headed north into the state and nobody ever heard from them again.
	Right.
	And even in that era, that's unusual because there would have been radar, there would have been radio communications, there would have been some kind of trail.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And you had, oh, God, you know, thousands and thousands of people were out there looking for them.
	You know, they were implementing, you know, spy planes and all kinds of technology to try, I mean, because these are high-profile guys, you know, to try to find them.
	And not a thing was ever found.
	Nothing.
	No wreckage.
	No signs of them.
	Nothing.
	Nothing at all.
	And again, completely disappeared.
	It comes down to people speculating and theories and all the rest of it.
	What's the best theory as to how it might have happened?
	Was there any kind of rational explanation?
	It seems unusual that something carrying high-profile people, yes, but any plane would go missing in that way, leaving no trace.
	Yeah, I mean, the rational explanation, of course, that the mainstream speculates about is that they ran into some weather and smacked into a cliff face somewhere, and it's just in the plane is in the wilderness and they never found it.
	It was a smaller plane, of course, so I will give them that.
	Of course, people in my field think that it may have been the triangle acting up.
	it could always be if they didn't go into the portal, sure, it could be that they actually crashed somewhere and still hasn't been found.
	But the question still remains: did the electromagnetic activity from the triangle actually affect the controls of the airplane?
	You know, this is a guy that was very, very seasoned, had been flying up there for years and years and years, had flown this road countless number of times.
	And all of a sudden, he has an issue on this one particular day.
	Why did that happen?
	And with those people on board, were there ever, I don't know, conspiracy theories about that?
	Bearing in mind that these were not just you or I, these were important people.
	There were some conspiracy theories because Hale Boggs was on the Warren Commission, which looked into the John F. Kennedy assassination.
	Right, that's how I remembered the name.
	As soon as you said the name, I remembered that.
	Yeah.
	So there was some speculation because he didn't think the Warren Commission did a thorough enough job.
	So there was some speculation that he was making waves and perhaps something was being done to silence him.
	But we may never know unless somebody comes forward and says this plane's never been found.
	What a mystery.
	And of the 16,000 people, do you have cases?
	I'm a big fan of those missing 411 books that have been much circulated.
	And there are a lot of people who talk about missing person cases.
	America has so many of them because you have such wild places, Alaska being among the wildest.
	People who just disappear in mysterious circumstances, they go and they're never found again, or their clothes are found, they discard their clothes in freezing temperatures and that kind of thing, which all adds to the air of mystery about it.
	Of those 16,000 cases of missing people, are there some of those up there?
	I guess there must be.
	Oh, yeah, there's certainly some of those up there.
	People go hiking in the woods and it's a vast, vast wilderness.
	I mean, unbelievably huge.
	People don't realize the size of Alaska and how large it really is.
	And sure, people go missing up there all the time.
	There'll be a couple of buddies hiking along a trail and all of a sudden one of them's just gone.
	And sure, it could be something related to the triangle.
	People talk about Bigfoot and the hairy man up there.
	One of those things get it.
	We don't know.
	Because you also hear about these stories, people that have actually been found, that have been rescued, that are, that just say, yeah, I saw something off the trail.
	I didn't think it was that far.
	I went to take a look.
	And then I tried to find the trail again and just got lost.
	And it happens.
	And they were just standing next to their friend.
	And all of a sudden, boom, they're gone.
	So stuff like that does happen.
	It's hard to know whether it actually is something nefarious going on or it's just somebody accidentally getting lost.
	You mentioned the Alaskan Bigfoot.
	And I know that you've written about that too.
	And, you know, you broadcast about that as well.
	Is the Alaskan Bigfoot, this crazy question, is it different from the Bigfoot that they find in places like Oklahoma or wherever they might be, or Tennessee, wherever?
	Is there something different about Alaska's Bigfoot?
	Is Alaska's Bigfoot more prevalent, seen more often?
	Well, you know, it's really different from region to region.
	You know, I mean, you kind of think of how within a species, you have all these different varieties.
	And it's kind of the same thing.
	So like the hairy man is a variety of, you know, this type of, I guess what we would call it cryptid.
	And the actual Bigfoot, the Sasquatch is another variety.
	So yeah, there are a lot of reports and sightings up there of these creatures.
	Again, it's such a vast wilderness.
	It's hard to know their numbers.
	I know people speculate that across the entire continent, there may be a couple thousand.
	You hear a lot of reports in the northwestern United States, like around Washington State.
	And yeah, sure, throughout the Midwest, like Oklahoma and what have you.
	So there's a number of different varieties, and it seems to be a pretty sparse population.
	And can you think of any cases, say we're talking about Alaska and the Alaska Triangle, of Bigfoot being there?
	Because it is often said that Bigfoot has an almost mystical dimension to him or her.
	The Bigfoot appears and disappears, which is why Bigfoot is so elusive and we can't find traces.
	There may be a mystical paranormal dimension to it all.
	Well, there are some people that believe that they could be some sort of interdimensional being, which kind of plays into some of the work that I do with shadow people.
	So there are some ideas about that.
	There's some ideas about them possibly being extraterrestrials.
	And there's a lot of people who believe that, hey, these are just actual mammals, bipedal mammals that are walking around.
	And they like to be left alone.
	They like to be quiet.
	So when they actually come across the path of humans, they try to stray away.
	So you have a lot of different theories that are out there.
	As far as Alaska specifically, you do hear a lot of varying reports of people seeing them like next to lakes and people see them off in the woods.
	A lot of people will find tracks in the dirt.
	And you can tell it's not a human track.
	You're talking a footprint that's about 20 inches long and the strides of the steps are about six feet.
	And you just don't have people that tall.
	There's a fantastic video that emerged, I think, quite recently.
	And I think it may well have been shot in Alaska.
	A couple of guys who are out there in the deep, deep snow, nobody else around.
	And they are looking down into what appears to be a kind of snow-filled valley, like a dip.
	And down in the distance, they zoom in, as far as they can, and that's not very far, on this dark, tall, hairy creature with the typical, if you believe these things, the typical Bigfoot lolloping gait, moving at a hell of a speed across the snow that you or I, we couldn't run through deep snow like that.
	This thing was making a hell of a pace.
	I don't know whether you've seen that video, but if that was in Alaska, that was astonishing.
	Yeah, I haven't seen that video.
	It could very well be Alaska.
	I'll have to look that one up.
	Okay, the Alaskan Titanic.
	You mentioned that.
	I've never heard of it.
	What is it?
	Yeah, the Alaska Titanic, this is the Princess Sophia.
	It was, this thing crashed Into a reef in 1918.
	I forget the number of passengers aboard, but basically it was the last boat out for the season.
	And it's primarily a passenger vessel, also had some cargo as well.
	And again, it was about a mile off course.
	This captain had sailed this route countless number of times.
	And somehow his, you know, the controls, compass and everything that he had there just was reading inaccurately.
	He got hung up on this reef, the Vanderbilt reef that everybody knows about.
	Everybody knows that it's there.
	And they're calling for rescue.
	And it's really sad what happened.
	They were stranded on this reef for at least a full day.
	The weather was coming in.
	It actually pirouetted the ship on top of the reef, which actually slashed the hole.
	And then that's when water started coming in and everybody perished, except for one dog who was an English setter that actually survived.
	Everybody else perished.
	And you think that maybe there was some kind of interference with the ship's navigation?
	Because as you say, the captain was experienced, but this thing managed to veer into a reef that an experienced captain would probably have been wary of, have known about.
	Yeah, that's the theory because nothing else makes much sense.
	Even those that have been writing about this for years, even the articles of the day, they just don't understand.
	His last name was Locke.
	They just don't understand how Captain Locke could have gotten so far off course because between his equipment that he always uses and that he sailed this so many times, it just didn't make any sense that he would get himself hung up on this reef, but yet he did.
	And so that's why we speculate today, was something malfunctioning with the equipment that got him so far off course?
	Of all the mysteries in Alaska that you've looked into, and maybe connected with the triangle, which one has spoken to you most, which is the most poignant and intense?
	That's a good question because basically two of them that we've talked about, the Princess Sophia is, you know, it's very heartbreaking, the number of people that die.
	I mean, there are families, whole families on there that perished in this.
	And the missing Douglas.
	You know, those two are really intriguing to me.
	But there's also other fascinating stories of one of the airplanes, basically it's a broken arrow story that was coming out of Eilson Air Force Base in Alaska, headed down to New Mexico, basically was doing a test flight, again, in the 1950s, of if they had to do a nuclear bomb run into Russia.
	So they had to train on that kind of distance.
	And all of a sudden, the controls in the airplane started malfunctioning.
	And that is actually, we know that one for a fact because they were radioing in that they were having a number of things malfunction on the airplane.
	They're having to shut down engines.
	And they actually dumped the bomb into the Pacific Ocean.
	So there's still a bomb out there somewhere.
	Right.
	Here's another stupid question, but was that a live weapon?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It was a live nuclear weapon.
	So they claim that they disarmed it before they let it go into the ocean, but still somebody could find the bomb and essentially rig it up to explode it again.
	So this was a military aircraft.
	The crew would have been highly trained.
	This was a time of great tension.
	We know the Cold War and people were expecting that the Red side were going to attack and we had to be ready for all of that.
	And it was a tense time.
	Those of us who went through it can certainly remember the whole thing about the Cold War.
	But their training would have been to jettison the bomb, which is still out there, scarily enough, you say, in the Pacific.
	That's a bit of a worry.
	And the plane itself?
	The plane itself, the pilot set up the plane to autopilot and crash into the ocean, headed west.
	They parachuted out.
	The plane, however, instead headed east and crashed into the side of a mountain in Canada.
	There were 17 crew members and only 12 of them were found.
	Five are missing.
	They've never been found.
	That's astonishing.
	So something made it veer dramatically off course.
	Yeah, yeah, like complete, almost 180.
	It went off course.
	Now they have found that wreckage.
	That wreckage, actually, it's a real hike to get up there.
	But there have been people that have gone up there to photograph the wreckage of that plane.
	So that one's been found.
	Of course, we know an awful lot more about the way that you investigate crashes now.
	It's a real science.
	It's not just an art these days for the experts involved.
	It is an absolute science.
	What sort of conclusions, as far as you are aware, as far as you know, did investigations into that crash, since there was wreckage, what sort of conclusions did they come to?
	Something must have put it off course.
	They haven't come up with a viable reason as to why it veered off course.
	You know, they had the malfunctions.
	I mean, basically, they just chalked it up to a malfunction.
	I forget the actual name of the components.
	Some of the different airplane components is why they ended up having to shut down the different engines.
	But as far as why it veered so far off course, they don't have an explanation.
	Again, it was a long time before they could get anybody up there to that mountain to investigate the crash because they actually weren't sure at first where it had crashed.
	This was in British Columbia.
	I forget the particular name of the mountain range, but it was years before they actually discovered where that plane had crashed.
	Because they wouldn't have been expecting it to crash there, to go off course and crash there.
	Right.
	Yeah, it was several years later before they actually found the crash site.
	And where this began, that was within the confines of the triangle.
	It was within the confines of the triangle.
	Yeah, it was Island Air Force Base, which is More centralized in the state of Alaska.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Well, that's a huge mystery.
	And isn't it amazing, even though we know it's a while ago, that they would have had to just put that down to unknown cause?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's really bizarre, you know, what actually happened there.
	But this is kind of the stories that you get from the Alaska Triangle.
	It sounds so bizarre and crazy, but it's, I hate to say it, but it's almost kind of the norm for Alaska.
	Yeah, well, it certainly sounds like it.
	Are these things still happening, you know, in modern times?
	It's 2020 now.
	You know, it does to some degree.
	I will say that, I mean, as far as like the percentages, because you have, you know, commercial airlines that go up there all the time now.
	And of course, the military is still flying in and out.
	So the percentages are lower, but crazy things still happen.
	I told you about the, you know, when we opened this, the crazy story about the engine falling right off the airplane.
	So there are still bizarre things that happen up there.
	You've done a lot of investigations and a lot of research into shadow people.
	A lot of my listeners are fascinated by shadow people.
	And everybody I've spoken to over the years about shadow people has a different take.
	What do you think shadow people are?
	Well, I think a true shadow people or a true shadow person, I'm sorry, is an interdimensional being.
	So, you know, some entity from another dimension, another place in space-time that has crossed over into our world.
	We don't really know why.
	There's a lot of different theories as to why they're visiting us.
	But we see them as these dark humanoid figures.
	And there's a large variety of them, which I cover in my book, A Walk in the Shadows.
	Between, you know, you have the humanoid figure, the Hatman, the crawler, different mists and wisps, these hooded figures.
	So there's a large variety of these different types of entities.
	But they're all a little different.
	They all seem to have their own agenda.
	Yeah.
	Are they all malevolent, do you think?
	No.
	No, they're not all malevolent.
	That's a common misconception.
	And I understand why people think that because there are some that are certainly malevolent and are up to no good.
	And of course, the ones that just kind of stand there at the end of your bed looking at you or from the corner of your room.
	I mean, it's very creepy.
	But a lot of times they're just standing there looking at you.
	But there's other ones that are a lot more benign, perhaps even helpful.
	And I have a couple of those stories within my book.
	And there's also some shadows that are not what I would call a true shadow person, that somebody might try to classify as a shadow person, but they're not a true interdimensional being in that some human spirits will actually appear as shadows because they can't quite fully manifest as an apparition, but they'll come across as a shadow.
	And so those, I'm not going to sit there and say somebody's Aunt Jane is nasty and malevolent and nefarious.
	But I have a really fascinating story of last summer, a little girl that basically, there were five of us that saw her manifest out of this rolling shadow smoke coming from down the hall, and it manifested into this little girl.
	And I'm not going to say the little girl's, you know, nefarious.
	Wow.
	Hold on then.
	So there were five of you on an investigation.
	You've got to tell me where this was and the circumstances of that.
	And you actually saw something, a little girl, materialize.
	Yeah, it was really interesting because, you know, and it's a good question because for the longest time, I mean, this is something I've been studying for years and years and years.
	And I was on the fence for a long time as to, you know, I said, okay, a shadow person is a shadow person.
	A human spirit is a human spirit.
	There's, you know, nothing in common between them.
	But I would have people, you know, other colleagues in the field that would say, you know, hey, Mike, some of these shadows are actually human spirits.
	And they'd tell me examples and stories.
	And at some point, I was like, okay, maybe I'll give you that.
	But I was still kind of on the fence.
	But last summer, we were at the Mineral Springs Hotel in Alton, Illinois, which is where we hold our annual conference.
	And this was actually the investigation that Saturday night was really winding down toward the end.
	There's a handful of us left.
	And we're in the abandoned part of the hotel, which is the top level of the hotel.
	And we're in the corner suite, which is called Pearl's Room, because there's a woman named Pearl who committed suicide in that room.
	And we're just doing some work, a EVP session or what have you.
	And we start hearing some noises from down the one hallway.
	So we go out there.
	We're kind of standing at the intersection.
	It's like an L and kind of looking down both hallways to see what's going on.
	But from the one, at the end of the hall, there's this black smoke that starts to kind of start rolling down the hall from the very end and kind of looking at it and coming closer and closer.
	And it starts doing this strange thing where it starts creeping up the right-hand side of the hallway and it would creep back down.
	As it's coming closer, it would creep back up the right-hand side and creep back down.
	What in the world is going on there?
	Right.
	So, I mean, the first thing you might think is, is there a fire here or something like that if it's smoke?
	Well, you didn't smell smoke.
	Right.
	And do you have, you know, people who do investigations like this now, they have all sorts of instrumentation.
	Did you have instruments and things like that that were registering something?
	You know, it's funny.
	So a couple of the other guys, a couple of the other guys did.
	So I was the host.
	I was kind of running it.
	So I didn't have a lot of my own stuff on me because to me, when I'm hosting it, my take is it's your guys' investigation.
	You guys are doing it.
	I'll be like the tour guide here and let you guys do what you want to do.
	So I actually didn't have a lot of my own stuff set up.
	I had an audio recorder and that was about it.
	So not running any video, which is a real shame.
	But yeah, at some point as it was like riding up the right-hand side of the wall, it kind of stuck to that side.
	And then that's when it morphed into the apparition of this little girl.
	And you could see, I mean, you could see her head, her dress, and then she kind of just went, she was translucent, but she just kind of like faded out toward the bottom.
	So you couldn't really see her legs or feet or anything.
	And there were five of you there.
	Yeah, there were five of us there.
	We're all, my partner, Shauna, and I, I knew what I saw.
	I was interested to what, you know, to confirm with her what she saw.
	So I just kind of whispered to her, Do you see what I see?
	And she's like, I see a little girl.
	I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what I see.
	And then the other three guys came up behind us and they're like, whoa, there's a little girl.
	It's like, yeah.
	Because our stories of a little girl up there, which we had never, we'd been into, you know, what's supposed to be her room and all that stuff.
	We never really got a whole lot.
	But now here's a moment where we're actually seeing her.
	And she walked up to right at that doorway, which is supposed to be her room.
	And she just stayed there in the hallway at that door until she finally faded out.
	She wouldn't come any closer than that.
	That's an astonishing story.
	And it is a rare thing for an apparition, even if it is one that appears all the time to people, for it to appear to five people who all see, as I think you said, something similar, is amazing.
	Did she appear to be aware of you?
	Yeah, she was staring right at us.
	And as we were saying, hey, come closer, come closer, she seemed to do that.
	She seemed to respond to that for a little while until she got to that door.
	And you're right, it is a rare thing because I've been doing this for decades.
	And I've seen very few apparitions.
	I actually see more shadows than apparitions, which is kind of interesting.
	But yeah, I see very few apparitions, but that is one I will certainly never forget.
	So do you know much about the girl?
	You said that there was a backstory to her.
	Well, a lot of people have reported interacting with this girl in that room.
	It's hard to know exactly who she was because records are hard to come by.
	You think about the millions of people that have been through this hotel.
	It was built in 1914.
	And, you know, there's people that theorize, giving kind of the, you know, date of the date of the dress, because other people have claimed to see her.
	This is the first time we've seen it.
	It looked more like a dressing gown, like she was going to bed or something like that.
	So people try to say maybe she was there during the 1910s, maybe 1920s.
	There's a lot of mob activity that happened within that hotel back in the 1920s.
	So some people try to say that she may have somehow been involved with somebody that was a mob member, but we really don't know for sure.
	Or she may have walked.
	Just as she walked into your situation, she may have walked in historically to something.
	She could have.
	And it's not like Pearl, the other one that I already mentioned, that's a confirmed suicide in that room from the 1960s.
	This little girl, we really don't know her backstory, just that a lot of people have experienced her in that one room, which I really never did until I experienced her down the hallway.
	And the people who own that building, they must be aware of this.
	Have they ever tried to maybe, it might be good for the, you know, the tourist trade, so maybe they wouldn't want to do that, but have they tried to communicate with or even perhaps put to rest this spirit?
	Yeah, so the people that actually run the tours are a little bit separate then the owner, Dan.
	He kind of lets Donna and Dave who run, because basically it's not an operating hotel anymore.
	It's more of like a mini mall.
	So there's a metaphysical shop there called It's Raining's Inn.
	It's run by Dave and Donna Nunnelly.
	And they're the ones that operate a lot of the tours and what have you out of there.
	And so, yeah, when Dave does his tours, he'll tell the story of the little girl and also Pearl and the other young lady up there, Molly.
	But yeah, they'll investigate for her up there and try to communicate with her from time to time, see if they can do anything to kind of help complete that story and find out more information.
	So when you went there, the five of you, you were not expecting to see her or were you?
	Oh, no.
	I mean, I go in with zero expectations.
	You know, there's certainly things that I would like to encounter.
	On that particular investigation, again, I was more of the host and just letting these guys run their investigation.
	And they'd been up there before.
	They were more trying to get a hold of Pearl and then really Molly down the hall.
	That was the game plan.
	Go to the Pearl's room, spend a little time there, and then go down the hall to Molly's room and see if we could communicate with Molly a little bit.
	There wasn't really a plan to go to the little girl's room.
	And then all of a sudden, this happened.
	Well, I don't know.
	Look, I've had one ghost experience in my life.
	I will not tell my listener it again because I've told it so many times.
	When it happened to me, I was not scared.
	So I'm guessing you weren't either.
	Oh, no, I haven't really been scared of anything paranormal since I was a kid.
	No, I was fascinated.
	We're trying to get her to come closer.
	That was just one of those mind-blowing moments.
	Like, are we really seeing this?
	And yeah, we were.
	You said you were trying to get her to come closer.
	She was not responding to your requirements, though.
	Well, she responded until she got to that doorway.
	Once she got to that doorway, she wouldn't come any closer.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Now, she wasn't really a shadow person, was she?
	What's your best shadow person story that you've come across?
	Yeah, you're right.
	So she was a human spirit that started in shadow form.
	So that's why I'm saying some of these shadows that we see and experience are actually human spirits.
	So my best shadow person story, I have a lot.
	But I'll tell the story of my first one because it was the most interactive.
	And this was one that I was about eight or nine years old.
	I had woken up in the middle of the night and standing in the corner of my room was this tall, dark human figure.
	Now, I wasn't thinking shadow person at the time.
	I had no idea from any of that at that age.
	I just thought that there was an intruder in my bedroom and it was about to kill me.
	You know, that's about what you know at that age.
	I figured I had enough time to gasp and then I was a goner.
	I'd seen enough TV to know that.
	You must have been terrified.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	But I'm still alive to tell the tale.
	Yeah, so I tried to scream.
	My mouth opened.
	Nothing came out.
	And what this thing ended up doing was really bizarre.
	It actually came up to my bed, leaned over, and basically I'm trying to scream and staring into this black nothingness.
	It actually grabbed my wrists and did the strangest thing.
	It crossed my arms across my body and then it ran off down the hall and into a closet of all places.
	So I found my voice, found my legs, ran off screaming to my parents' bedroom.
	They tried to console me, told me that I had just had a bad dream.
	And I was like, no, I was awake for this whole thing.
	It was not a dream.
	And it wasn't.
	This was actually a shadow person who had physically manipulated my arms, which is very unusual.
	You don't hear, you hear about shadow people touching people and things like that, but the whole arm crossing is really different.
	What do you hear about strange creatures, things that emerge, maybe dark figures wearing a hat or whatever it might be or a spindly creature, but they tend to be a little standoffish.
	They don't fold your arms.
	What did that feel like?
	Can you remember?
	Yeah, you know, people ask me that.
	What did it feel like?
	You know, they're wondering if there was like an electric feel or whatever.
	Or was it like a cold sensation or whatever?
	Yeah, people ask that too.
	Was it cold?
	And it's like, it just felt like somebody taking my arms, you know, just like anybody else, you know?
	So it's, yeah, it didn't have a cold sensation.
	It didn't feel electric.
	It was just like anybody else taking my, you know, grabbing my wrist like that and pulling my arms across my body.
	And we're talking about it now.
	You must have thought about it a zillion times over the years.
	What do you think you were dealing with?
	So there's been some interesting theories about that because I've talked about this story many, many times.
	And I've had two different people who did not know each other on two separate occasions, long distances apart, suggest to me that this shadow person, maybe it was interdimensional, maybe it was crossing time, they both speculated that perhaps it thought that I was dead and was placing me in a burial pose, like something you would see on an Egyptian sarcophagus with a crook and flail.
	And so, you know, was this some sort of time traveler or what have you from ancient Egypt?
	I have no idea, but it's an interesting idea.
	But something, I never thought of that, something that thought that you had to be arranged as you would arrange the body of somebody who'd passed.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So actually, in a sense, it may have been honoring me.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And you've never had that experience again?
	No, I've had a lot of shadow people experiences since then, but nothing like that.
	Okay.
	Have you got another one that would fascinate my listener?
	I was trying to think of a word, you know, chill is not right.
	Terrify is probably not right.
	Fascinate is probably the word.
	Yeah, I have a number, but one that your visitor listeners might like.
	I was at an old abandoned church with a group in, this was out in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma.
	It's called Black Bear Church, down a couple of old dirt roads.
	It hadn't been in use since the late 1960s, early 1970s.
	Roof was gone, all this.
	And we had heard the stories of this crawler that was in the church.
	And we'd been there a number of times and never experienced it.
	Crawler.
	A crawler.
	So this is basically a shadow entity that'll get down on all fours and crawl along.
	Well, it could crawl along the floor, but walls, ceilings, all that stuff.
	Kind of looking like a, you know, almost like a crab.
	Just kind of imagine some of these different possession type movies, you know, with the exorcists and all that.
	And you get the, you know, the people crawling on the floor that are possessed and, you know, their bones are making all the crackling noises.
	Kind of looks like that, but it's all black.
	So we'd heard these stories, had never experienced it.
	But this one night, we're down there in the basement of the old church.
	And we see something slip in through one of the windows.
	Kind of looked like a little bit of a shadow.
	I saw something slip in through the window over there.
	And we're doing EVP sessions and what have you down there.
	But then all of a sudden, we're kind of seeing these just like really fast shadow spin around us in the room, like along the walls, along the ceiling.
	And it kind of grew in nature where you saw these like long, spindly arms and legs.
	And it kicked a bottle that was on the floor.
	It smacked against the metal railing that was coming down the stairs.
	Our electronic equipment started buzzing like crazy.
	And we're out in the middle of nowhere, again, in Oklahoma.
	So we shouldn't be getting any sort of electronic feedback.
	So whatever this was was wanting to make its presence felt.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And it's just spinning around us, spinning around us.
	And finally, the medium that was with us suggested, why don't we say some prayers and sing some hymns and lighten the energy here?
	And so we started doing that.
	And finally, after all of this, you know, crawling around and dancing around, everything that was doing, it slipped right back out that same window again.
	Right.
	But before it went, it certainly made you aware of itself.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It definitely made its presence known.
	That was one that was definitely a little bit more nefarious.
	And it was trying to scare us off, I believe.
	This was its domain.
	It didn't want us there.
	It was trying to scare us off.
	So this is an entity that is, and you say these things are literally physically of a lower level.
	But don't they say that some of those things that appear at a lower level are indeed lower level entities?
	So they're more basic than a fully formed ghost or spirit or whatever.
	Yeah, yeah, they're certainly.
	They're an energy is what I'm saying.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, there's some sort of energy.
	And with that particular one, there's legends of it being conjured by some people.
	You could tell that there was some occult practices that may have been done back there in one of the rooms.
	There was cement, basically it's a brick and cement pedestal that's back there.
	And we had found some remains of like charred animal bones and things like that on there.
	And there were legends of that particular church that after the parishioners had left and became abandoned, that there was some sort of cult that had gone in there and was trying to conjure something up.
	And this crawler was supposed to be one of the things that it conjured, along with all these other smaller shadow minions that would come around the church, not actually go into the church, but peer in through the windows.
	Never really saw those, but this crawler, we did see that one time.
	Okay, so you think that maybe something had been conjured up.
	And, you know, it's one thing to conjure something up, and I certainly wouldn't recommend anybody does this, but it's one thing to conjure something up.
	But if you conjure something up that then does not go away, that's a whole other thing.
	Yeah, that's definitely on a whole other level.
	And, you know, again, it's kind of a legend of the area as to whether something, you know, some people went in there and conjured it or not.
	Again, we did experience the shadow and we did see a place where if they're going to be doing some work, this is basically it.
	But we didn't witness a ceremony.
	So, you know, they may have almost accidentally conjured.
	So a lot of these groups, they'll go in there, you know, with maybe some spell book that they got out of a bookshop or whatever, and they're just going to be trying something.
	And they may have actually accidentally succeeded, not realized what they had done, and then just abandoned the site completely without closing up the connection that they just created.
	And what did you feel?
	Do you feel there was something malevolent or dark about it?
	At that point, with that particular entity, yes.
	What's really interesting about that area is, you know, you think of a church, a house of God, that sort of thing.
	It should be, the energy there should be a lot lighter.
	And there's a cemetery right across the dirt road there that you would think the energy there would be darker.
	And it's kind of the opposite where the energy in the cemetery is really light and feels good.
	And the energy in the church is actually really dark.
	Wow.
	Oh, boy.
	So you've been through some investigations.
	I just want to say to my listener that I think that you, Mike, are on a mobile connection here.
	And I think it's deteriorating a bit.
	It's been perfectly...
	It's been perfectly clear for this, but it's been a little bit ropey at times.
	I just want to explain that to my listener.
	So I think probably our time is going to be limited now.
	In the last couple of minutes, talk to me about your researches into poltergeists.
	Yeah, poltergeist, interesting phenomenon.
	So I try to, when it comes to poltergeist, clarify for people what a poltergeist is, because there's a difference between apoltergeist and poltergeist activity.
	So apoltergeist, German word for noisy gill.
	So this is a type of entity in a home or location or what have you that's causing a ruckus.
	You know, it might be throwing things around, making a lot of noise.
	I always tell people, hey, if you read the Harry Potter books and you're familiar with Peeves the Poltergeist, J.K. Rowling actually did a pretty good job of describing what a poltergeist is.
	However, there's an interesting phenomenon these days with psychokinesis PK activity that people exhibit in which you might be investigating a home and the activity is related to a lot of times it's like an adolescent girl, a young woman who's going through a lot of angst and she is actually, or could be a he, is actually manifesting this activity.
	So when she comes into the home, all these crazy things happen, but it's actually her that is generating it.
	Which indeed was sort of the story of the most famous UK case, the Enfield poltergeist.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Enfield poltergeist.
	So certainly.
	But we would call that poltergeist activity.
	So that is not a poltergeist.
	It's interesting because these days everybody is now starting to veer toward, well, a poltergeist is actually a young girl who's manifesting this activity.
	I say, well, wait, step back.
	That is a person who is exhibiting poltergeist activity.
	That's not a poltergeist.
	They're actually two different things, but people are kind of starting to mesh these two different things into one thing.
	There seems to be a phenomenon where almost like a ventriloquist throws his or her voice.
	There are people, and maybe they're adolescents or they're going through a particular stage in their life, that they're able to throw energy.
	And that energy makes things happen.
	So that's one thing.
	But there is another thing you think that is a phenomenon that actually causes objects to be flown around various bits of disruption that is not that.
	Yeah, I mean, there's actually spirits.
	It could be a human spirit.
	It could be something else that a human spirit can pick up an object and throw it around.
	You might have a ghost that's a little bit more mischievous than other ghosts that are hanging around.
	And if they're causing a little bit of a ruckus, then that's a poltergeist.
	But it could actually be a ghost or a spirit or what have you.
	Have you experienced that yourself or talked to people who have?
	Well, yeah.
	And what they usually, when something like that happens, you know, somebody will kind of, the example I always use, somebody contacted me one time and they say, well, I have a demon.
	What do you mean you have a demon?
	Well, a candle was thrown off my mantle.
	Okay.
	That doesn't mean you have a demon.
	It could be a variety of different things.
	It would take some investigating to figure out.
	But what that ended up being simply was a portrait.
	There was a human spirit in the house that was trying to get attention.
	It was getting frustrated, perhaps, and just decided to throw a couple of things.
	Have you personally experienced that?
	Yeah, I've seen things moved around, tossed around.
	Probably the most prevalent was at the Stone Lion Inn in Guthrie, Oklahoma.
	There were a number of things that were going on that particular day, but between a it was a bureau drawer that had slammed itself shut, and then a few minutes later, a wall hanging that was on a stairwell just boom, crashed to the stairs.
	Yeah, yeah, I've experienced that.
	And is that the kind of thing the occupants, though, or the people who own buildings like that, are they keen to get Rid of those things to have them exorcised or removed, or you know, again, is it another case of, well, you know, maybe in some cases it's good for business?
	In some cases, it's certainly good for business.
	That particular one with the stone lion in, she no longer lives there.
	She's opened it as a bed and breakfast, but also operates a murder mystery dinner theater out of there.
	So it's kind of part of the ambiance.
	With added poltergeist, eh?
	Yeah, with poltergeist, exactly.
	Yeah, there are some people who certainly want it out of their home.
	What are you working on at the moment?
	Oh, I'm working on a lot of things.
	You know, between, I have a lot of video projects on my plate.
	I'm starting work.
	I just had the Shadow Person book come out.
	So I'm starting work on a series of videos on shadow people experiences in locations that have had this type of activity across the country.
	I might go worldwide with it, but it's more than just showing up at somebody's house and getting their stories and that sort of thing.
	I'm actually trying to trace the roots of this phenomenon and try to get more into the theories about them being interdimensional beings and what have you, try to get to the root of what's really going on here with these things.
	So that's a big project I have coming up.
	Well, that'll be something I think pretty novel and different to get that kind of explanation of the roots of the thing, I guess.
	So you're going to be busy.
	Oh, yeah, always busy.
	Always busy.
	As a publisher, I have a lot of books that we're getting out here, too, for a variety of people.
	Okay.
	Including?
	Oh, including This House from Amelia Cotter.
	So it's a childhood story of her growing up in a haunted house.
	We have a collection of ghost stories from Dan Norvell.
	Just a variety of different things that he's experienced.
	And he's as a paranormal investigator here in the United States.
	Peripheral, which is a paranormal romance from Leslie Fear.
	So we have a lot of different things that we're working on.
	Sounds like some of those people I'd like to speak with on this show.
	Hey, Mike, listen, it's been great to speak with you.
	If people, I don't know whether you're open to people sending you their stories, that kind of thing.
	I have listeners in America, all around the world, actually.
	Would you be interested in hearing from people?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah, they can contact me at my website, mikericksecker.com, also HaunterRoadMedia.com.
	And yeah, you can find me also on the Haunter Road Media YouTube channel.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for giving me this hour.
	And I'm glad that the internet connection held up.
	There were a couple of points that were slightly ropey, but I could hear every word that you said.
	And in my book, that's a positive.
	Mike, thank you very much indeed.
	Please take care.
	Absolutely, too, Howard.
	Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you.
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	As I'm recording these words at the end of this edition of The Unexplained, the sun continues to shine, the promise of summer is there and better days.
	And, you know, hopefully, here in the northern hemisphere with those better days, will come better news on this problem that we're facing, coronavirus, which is being handled in different ways in different places.
	Different people are coming to terms with it in their own different ways.
	Your thoughts about it.
	If you want to tell me your experiences of it, then, you know, I would be interested to hear those.
	But I think we just have to be positive, as positive as we can be, think that better times will come, which they inevitably will.
	That is the way of the world.
	You know, we've been through, well, my parents' generation, their parents' generation have been through wars and all sorts of privations and tribulations.
	And they all come to an end, as indeed will this.
	But we've all got to hang together.
	There was a famous saying, and somebody will tell me who said it, if we don't hang together, we will hang separately.
	And maybe that applies here.
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