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Oct. 20, 2019 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 416 - Mary Rodwell

British/Australian Mary Rodwell in Brisbane - who helps alien contactees and abductees come to terms with their experiences...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Unexplained.
	The rain's still pounding against my window here in London Town.
	I don't know what on earth is going on, but it would be nice one of these days, even though we had plenty of it during the summer, just to see the sun.
	Just, you know, just a little.
	Really weird weather.
	But you may share my experience of this.
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	I'll keep in touch with you that way, and you can keep in touch with what I'm doing that way too.
	Seems to be working.
	So it's something that I resisted doing or didn't do for years.
	And I've now been doing all of this year.
	And, you know, what people were telling me that Facebook is an effective way of communicating, you know, seems to be true.
	So, you know, I take back everything I said.
	I said, I'm not going to do that.
	You know, we're going to do this show without social media.
	In 2019, you just can't.
	The guest on this edition, we're going to go to Australia near Brisbane, Mary Rodwell, a British person living in Australia.
	We're going to talk about her work with alien contactees and abductees, around 3,000 of them so far, and also the children who appear to be coming here with a background from somewhere that is not this planet.
	Fascinating stories, you make of them what you will, and let me know.
	Mary Rodwell is the guest on this edition.
	And as I say, thank you very much for all of your communications.
	It's nice to hear from you.
	And I always can use guest suggestions, thoughts about the show, anything else like this.
	As you may be able to hear, the remnants of that flu are still sitting on my chest.
	But I seem to be getting there.
	So if you are now in the part of the cycle where you're just coming down with this thing, wherever you are, my sympathies are definitely with you.
	But it's one of those things that tends to hang on for some reason.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to keep taking the Manuka honey and the vitamin C, and we'll see where we get.
	Okay, let's get to Very Near Brisbane, Australia, and speak with Mary Rodwell about her work with contactees.
	Mary, thank you very much for coming on my show.
	It's an absolute pleasure, Howard.
	Now, in the introduction to this, I said you were in Australia, just so that our listeners can get a picture of where you might be.
	Where are you located?
	Central Queensland, which is the lower end of where the Great Barrier Reef is.
	So it's subtropical here.
	Yes, and it's pretty much like that all year, isn't it?
	In central Queensland, it certainly is.
	Even in the wintertime, we don't normally go below about 20 degrees C. Now, you know, speaking as one Brit to another Brit, why did you leave us?
	Well, weather was a very big factor.
	I was fed up of hibernating most of the year.
	And, you know, as you get older, you become less tolerant of the weather.
	So that was a big factor.
	But also, I wanted to give my children an experience of a different culture and, you know, the sense of living perhaps a little bit more outside than inside.
	So it was a combination of things.
	I call it my midlife crisis, really.
	Well, I can listen.
	I agree with a lot of things you say about the weather and being able to be outdoors more is a fantastic thing.
	But mind you, our weather's changing here in the UK.
	We had quite a hot summer, but that's a whole other story.
	One of the things that living in the place that you live, and I know this because I did a radio show from not very far from there once for a week, and appreciated this for myself, is that you have very clear skies.
	I guess that's very good if you were looking.
	And I'm not saying that you do do that if you were looking for anomalous things in the skies.
	Well, the latest is UAP, which is unidentified aerial phenomena.
	So that's the latest fancy term for UFOs.
	But you're absolutely right.
	We do have a lot of sightings in this area because of the clear skies.
	And certainly Agnes Warder, where I live, for whatever reason, there's certainly a number of people in the town that have had certain experiences that we believe are part of that.
	What is it about you in your background, in your past, that made you want to do the work that you do now?
	Well, if 40 years ago as a nurse and midwife, you said to me that Mary, in your future, you're going to travel the world talking about aliens, I'd have probably sent you to the nearest psychiatrist.
	So it certainly wasn't in my foreseeable future at that time.
	But I went through a process of becoming a counselor, working in a medical practice in North Walsham in Norfolk.
	I came over here and continued being a counselor.
	So I was exposed to a lot of interesting phenomena people experience, you know, when they, you know, in hospice.
	I worked in hospice in grief and bereavement.
	So unusual experiences often come with certain life crisis.
	But this really started because someone walked through my door, you know, sort of said, well, I've heard you're open-minded.
	For this, there's no support groups.
	For this, they just think you're a loony.
	And he proceeded to tell me about his experiences, waking up with marks on his body, shaved areas.
	His family were all having strange experiences.
	And in fact, the relatives wouldn't come to the house because they thought it was ghosts or demons.
	So that was my first contact, if you like, with someone with this experience.
	Right.
	And how did you, that first time, now you were in a caring profession, so you're trained to listen to people and help them.
	But what could you do?
	And what did you do?
	Well, I wanted to know more.
	And fortunately, I'm a very eclectic reader.
	And I had read a couple of books only a few months before on this subject, never thinking in my wildest dreams I'd ever meet anyone who had the experiences.
	And one of them was written by former, he was a former head of psychiatry at Harvard University, Dr. John Mack.
	As a psychiatrist, he wrote a book, Abduction, Human Encounters with Aliens.
	And I happened to pick the book up along with the one by Whitley Striber, Communion, which is Whitney Striber is an experiencer that had encounters and he wrote about his experiences.
	So, fortunately, you could say coincidentally or synchronously, I read those books.
	So, I was in a way forearmed to realize there was perhaps more to this than just one person's strange experience.
	Within a couple of weeks, another person walked through my door having similar experiences.
	Randomly, or had you been inviting people by then?
	Bizarrely, a couple of weeks later.
	And then I met a social worker who'd had experiences.
	And really and truly, the more I got into this, the more people I found that had had this kind of experience.
	And now I've worked with over 3,500 families and children with this experience.
	Is it possible, and a skeptic may say, that because you read those books and you were conditioned to look for certain things that you automatically ruled out more rational explanations?
	I think that's a very good, you know, way of looking at it.
	Other than the fact that, to be quite honest, what really had the impact on me was the integrity and the authenticity of the gentleman in front of me when he spoke about it.
	He certainly wasn't, you know, trying to convince me of anything.
	He just needed someone to listen who wasn't going to roll their eyes and look at him as though he was crazy.
	He wasn't asking much from me other than to listen and to listen to his family.
	And that's all I could do at the time because I didn't know enough about it.
	But I did take it to, I was doing advanced counseling at the time.
	And I took his case to the Wasley Institute where I was learning advanced counseling with psychology.
	There were a whole range of professionals.
	And I actually laid out his case for the supervision.
	And I found it quite fascinating that the whole group, and one was a uniting minister there, there was a psychologist, social workers, etc.
	Not one of them indicated they thought this gentleman was crazy.
	In fact, what it did do was open Sesame for them to start telling me some of their strange experiences, from haunted houses to other psychic phenomena.
	So instead of getting a response that really, you know, Mary, this is just someone's hallucination, they all started to tell me about their own paranormal experiences.
	So in a way, it confirmed rather than denied what I'd come to, the conclusion I'd come to.
	I mean, I didn't think we'd be going down this road, but do you think from your experience that all psychic phenomena are linked in some way?
	I do.
	And that is because in my research, and I've been working with an institute, well, the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial and Extraordinary Experiences, FREE.
	And in it, we've got physicists, psychologists, professors of psychology, we've got neuroscientists, et cetera, et cetera.
	And what we've discovered is that paranormal experiences right across the board are linked, whether it's ghosts, spirits, people seeing angelic realms or angelic beings.
	All of it seems to be part of human consciousness.
	And this seems to be the buzzword now, but it's absolutely interesting to see how it's all connected.
	So either people's minds are creating these things, because the mind is a wonderful thing, the brain is a wonderful thing, or as you say, there are dimensions of consciousness or there are abilities to see beyond the bit of consciousness that we do see.
	And some people occasionally, you know, they poke their eyes through the veil, I suppose.
	Well, we only see 1% of the visual spectrum for a start.
	And there are many people that will see strange things that other people can't see, like, you know, someone who's died, for example, spirits.
	They may see other non-human intelligences.
	And there's a whole range of those that people can perceive or see.
	But it's also the tangibility of it.
	The nuts and bolts, if you like, is not only people taking, you know, there is countless footage now of this, you know, these unidentified aerial phenomena.
	We've now got the military and the Navy coming out in the US saying, yes, there are these unidentified aerial phenomena.
	They've taken video footage, pilots have taken video footage, and that's all come out in recent times.
	We know we are visited by strange anomalous craft that at the moment the governments are not saying much about, but are admitting that they don't seem to be from human agencies and what have you.
	So for me, you know, when you talk to the whistleblowers, there are many people who have seen these that are very credible from astronauts right through to children that have seen this kind of phenomena and had experiences which can't be explained in any other way than that it has a tangibility.
	Do you find, and I know a lot of people do find, but I wonder if in your research you have found, that there are many, many commonalities between the stories that people tell you.
	In fact, in many ways, a lot of them are very, very similar.
	Absolutely.
	And the survey that we did with the Free Organization, which was put together by a Nora scientist and a professor of psychology, Dr. John Climo and Dr. Bob Davis, this survey, 6,000, sorry, it was 600 questions asked in alternate, many different ways of conscious recall of their experiences over 4,200 people over at least five different languages.
	We discovered an extraordinary number of similar patterns of experience.
	And this is all conscious memory.
	This isn't through hypnosis or whatever.
	And that is now in a volume called Beyond UFOs.
	And it's the science of consciousness of extraterrestrial contact.
	And what we're discovering is the similarities of the types of beings people see, the way they have the experience, how their psychic abilities or intuitive abilities are expanded Through these experiences.
	And the tangibility is that they can go missing for a length of time and can't explain it and will come back also with information that they haven't consciously learned.
	So there's a whole range of tangibility that people don't know, which is real evidence that something real has happened to them.
	So who is interested in us?
	You say that these people describe the beings that they've had contact with.
	And for what reason?
	Well, I've written a book called The New Human, which I go into the DNA.
	And my background, as I said, is nursing midwifery.
	So I needed to look at what is the tangibility here from a scientific point of view.
	And I believe it's to do with the fact that all through history, we've been visited by the so-called gods.
	And many of the indigenous peoples have talked about these gods adding their DNA to ours.
	And when you look at the anomalies in human DNA, and there are many anomalies, certain whistleblower geneticists have talked about this.
	And some of them have said, quite categorically, they've noticed where certain genes have been spliced and added to.
	And we have 223 genes in our DNA that are a sideways insertion of genetic material that did not come through the genetic, the evolutionary line, that they can't explain, that are all to do with higher psychological functioning.
	They can't explain it.
	We've got a missing link.
	We go from Neanderthal Cro-Magnon man to Homo sapiens with twice the brain size and with higher awareness.
	All of these things that can't be explained.
	And Dr. Francis Crick, who was co-founder of the DNA molecule, said himself that he believed that we were intelligently designed.
	And more and more people from molecular biologists, and I've known a few now, that have also said they believe that we are an intelligently designed species.
	So if we are and we have DNA from the gods, which were seen as gods, these are extraterrestrials, I believe, that were seen as gods throughout history, interfering or adding their DNA to ours, then of course they're going to be interested in us.
	They're going to be interested in how we evolve.
	And this is what these beings are telling those that have contact and have experiences, that we are part of them.
	And that is why they're interested in us and they're continuing to be interested in us because of our evolutionary path and what we're doing, particularly now we've reached a technology where we can, in fact, damage the planet, damage ourselves, and also indirectly affect them.
	So they are altruistically interested in us?
	It seems to be that certainly most of those that are interacting with us do seem to be benevolent.
	But this is, you know, we can't know definitely.
	And I don't know what the, you know, those behind the scenes know, the government that do know, and have kept this a secret from most of our public, most of the public, certainly up to recently.
	Have you had any confirmation, perhaps privately, secretly, from anybody who's close to government saying that they do know the truth of this?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I've met a number of whistleblowers, some of it within the governments.
	And of course, we've got some wonderful whistleblowers coming from.
	In fact, one of them is the Honourable Paul Hellier, the ex-Defence Minister of Canada, that is talking about this quite openly now and how we're talking about the government knowing at least four different species of extraterrestrials that are visiting us.
	Certainly there is that and possibly a great number more than just the four from what I'm understanding from my own research.
	Have you ever been visited?
	Not consciously, but who knows?
	There are a lot of people that have had experiences that are not aware that they've had some form of encounter.
	But certainly I've seen plenty of unidentified strange craft and I've even taken photographs of them as well.
	But my, if you see, if you like, my research has been primarily about seeing the tangibility through the people that have had the experiences and how it changes them in dramatic ways.
	And I'm, you know, my base, my client base is everything from physicists to lawyers to politicians right through to social workers, housewives, and young children that have talked about going on spacecraft and being taken places and being taught things by these intelligences.
	And when you've got five and six-year-olds talking about going up on spacecraft and what they learn and how they are taught strange and complex things, then you've got to ask, you know, they've got either fantastic imaginations or, you know, that there is something very real going on.
	And I think you say, don't you, that increasingly children are involved in this phenomenon.
	There seem to be children who come into this world with some kind of connection.
	Absolutely.
	In the new human, why I devoted half the book to the children's testimony is because often they come out with very complex understanding of who they are and where they're from.
	I mean, when you get a 10-year-old telling you that this is his first earth life, that he came from a planet and he had blue skin.
	He described what his life was on that other planet.
	He'd come here as his first earth life and he had a mission to perform here, something to do with dealing with the pollution.
	So he was aware also that he'd chosen his mother and aware that he had chosen this particular life.
	That's just one of so many stories that I'm getting of children that are mentioning their mandate and why they've come to this planet at this time with this awareness.
	And they talk about their special friends that come and guide them and teach them things.
	And the most hilarious to me was a 12-year-old that explained to me that she's got this little being that's with her.
	And when she's in her class, she said, if the teacher says something that's inaccurate, this being will tell her the truth and not to take any notice of it.
	And I said to her, Do you ever talk about this to your school friend?
	She said, oh, no, she says, because they wouldn't understand.
	Of course, children do fantasize.
	They do indeed.
	But the difference is that the parents will say to me something very crucial.
	Most of them will say, I have never talked about my experiences to my child.
	I've never mentioned this kind of information, et cetera, et cetera.
	They have come out with this quite spontaneously.
	And then when you question them, they will give you detail.
	They will actually explain to you exactly what went on, where they went and what kinds of things and describe and draw them and will even draw symbols that they've been given, etc.
	So you've got enormous amount of detail and it actually can be quite scary for the parents because they don't know what to do with it.
	How do I deal with a child that's telling me they're going up on spacecraft and being taught things, everything from quantum physics to the origin of the species and they will talk about downloads.
	And one eight-year-old, I said to him, so what do you learn when you're on the craft?
	First of all, he told me that there were other children there like him, but there were others also children that didn't look quite human.
	I said, how are they different?
	And he described to me, well, their eyes were different and how they looked different.
	And I said, so what are you taught?
	And he said, but it's very complex.
	And I said, well, can you tell me what kind of complex things?
	He said, no, it's too complex for you.
	Okay.
	Now, of course, and I don't want to sound like the ultimate sceptic here because I'm certainly not.
	But I suppose if I wasn't sure of my case or if I was making something up, I would say, well, he wouldn't understand it.
	Yes, absolutely.
	But the thing is that what I'm discovering is that what they are being taught, it seems like when they're in that heightened sense of consciousness, which they are when they're aboard craft, they have information that is everything from, you know, high physics right through to other information that is, you know, you'd have to be a researcher to know it.
	And I actually talked to a nine-year-old who explained to me, I was actually talking to his father and he said, can I speak to Mary?
	Which is most unusual for a nine-year-old to want to speak to a stranger over Skype.
	This is in, they were in the US.
	And I said, so why do you feel you can speak to me?
	And he said, well, it's because of your frequency.
	He says, I want you to know that my other life, I came from, I was in Orion and I was a light physicist and I worked with time travel technology.
	And it's very difficult here on this planet, he said, because most of the scientists here are not aware of this higher physics yet.
	And the nearest to what I understand is Nikola Tesla.
	Now, that's a very, very interesting thing for a nine-year-old to explain.
	I have to say, I hadn't heard of Nikola Tesla until I was in my 30s.
	Now, this is a nine-year-old, I might add.
	That is astonishing.
	So do you think that they have a mission?
	You said there might be some kind of mission to eventually introduce some of the physics that they've learned.
	Is that the plan?
	Absolutely.
	Many of them have not only been taught on board craft, as they tell me, but they also have this innate awareness that they've got a job to do down here.
	And a lot of it is, you know, it'd be a whole thing.
	It's involved in ecology.
	It may be to do with free energy.
	It may be to do with other technologies for this planet.
	It's actually a whole range of things, including healing.
	Some of these children tell me that they've come in as healers, as energy workers, because they know how to, if you like, assist people to heal and can actually look at someone and see whether or not there's something wrong with them or not.
	So there's a whole range of intuitive abilities that they're coming in with that they seem to know is part of their mandate.
	And these are the ones that I call the new human.
	There's many other names given to them in metaphysics.
	Often they'll call them indigos, crystal children, rainbow children, which is more about a frequency, if you like.
	But one molecular biologist who herself has had experiences, Dr. Lena Olson, as a molecular biologist, she calls them letter people or letter children.
	And she said they're a combination of what we are interpreting as a dysfunction, which is ADHDs, Asperges, some forms of autism, dyslexia, are actually a new kind of human.
	And that is, they're kind of wired differently.
	And we don't understand because we think that they're dysfunctional.
	Well, actually, the sense is that they're an upgrade of human and they have more awareness than we do who are still very programmed into 3D.
	I guess it would be very hard to get orthodox medicine and science to accept that.
	Well, interestingly, I'm often contacted by educators, clinical psychologists, etc., that actually look at this and give it a lot of serious scrutiny and are asking me more about what I understand because Dr. Lena Olson talks about them as letter people.
	She calls them.
	It's the same thing.
	And she said, there's more and more out there now realizing within the field that there is something very tangible here that we need to look at because these children are being misunderstood.
	And the mere fact that I'm getting professionals contact me over this and are resonating to this information, it may not be quite so out there as other people that are less informed may think.
	And I know when I wrote this book that it was probably going to come under a lot of scrutiny.
	So I make absolutely care, I was very careful to use as much what I call conventional science to Understand this as well as an understanding from a broader perspective.
	And you'd be amazed at the kinds of people that are reading this book now.
	As I say, educators contact me from all over the globe, including psychologists that are a bit more open because they're seeing it for themselves.
	They're seeing these children are different.
	Right.
	And when parents contact you, I presume it's the parents mostly who contact you.
	Maybe the children contact you directly.
	What is it that they're looking for from you?
	First of all, understanding how do I best help my child?
	What's actually going on with them?
	What do I need to do?
	Is there any other way I can support them?
	Because a lot of them are not dealing well with conventional schooling and education.
	They struggle a great deal with the way that they're programmed.
	And let's face it, education is a very good programming tool.
	So what can I do to find ways to support them, both in their sensitivities, their experiences, and etc., etc.
	And so the mere fact that they're asking me that is showing how concerned they are that they want to do the best for their child.
	And there is.
	They do need a special kind of understanding with the food that they eat because certain foods and preservatives don't work well with them at all and can make them feel quite ill.
	But also the mere fact that they want to be believed, they want, if they're having an experience, they want the parents going to listen to them.
	Even if they can't talk about it at school or amongst their, you know, their peer group, at least they need to have a parent who at least is listening to them.
	So that's part of it.
	And I also gear them to people like Dr. Olson.
	So if they want understanding on what kinds of foods and what ways they can support them from a healthy biological point of view as well as a psychological emotional one.
	Why is it that they can't eat certain foods?
	Because they are more sensitive, if you like, to various preservatives, certain colourings, et cetera, et cetera.
	And they react really badly.
	And they can become hyperactive simply because they're eating the wrong foods.
	So in a way, they may be like sort of modern-day canaries in the coal mine.
	You know, they used to send canaries down the coal mines to detect gas.
	These children are coming here and they are detecting the artificial rubbish that we're putting in our foods.
	Howard, you're absolutely spot on.
	They certainly are.
	They're showing, you know, the GMO foods, the fact that we're putting fluoride still in the water, for example, these kinds of things they react extremely badly to because they seem to be ultra-sensitive to all the pollutants that the rest of us have had to put up with.
	And it's getting worse as we actually know that now.
	So it's about them highlighting some of the things that we need to look at to keep healthy and that they're highlighting this.
	You know, up to the age of 14, I went to what I describe now as a bin of a school in Liverpool where it was a disciplined regime, but there was a lot of bullying and stuff like that.
	And because I was overweight at the time when I was a kid, I lost it all, of course, in later years.
	And my father was a police officer, I had a terrible time with those realities in my life.
	I cannot imagine what it would be like for a child who believes that they come from this background and origin.
	What kind of time they have at school?
	A rough one.
	And many of the parents say, look, my son or my daughter's been to so many schools, they're so unhappy.
	Because what we're looking at here is a child with hypersensitivities.
	And that means that they can tune into people.
	They're very empathic.
	So if someone's upset in the room, they will get upset because they're tuning into that, for example.
	They're very aware and some of them are telepathic.
	So, you know, I remember a 12-year-old telling me that her biggest struggle at school was because she said, I've got one teacher.
	She said, she says one thing, but the thing she's thinking isn't very nice.
	And she's picking up on that kind of information that is really confronting.
	And a lot of these children are picking up how people feel about them and sometimes their thoughts.
	And this is right from a small child.
	The parents are saying, I remember one lady telling me that her child seemed to pick up everybody's thoughts, even as a baby, and everyone was getting pretty freaked out by it.
	She says, but my problem, Mary, is that she's three years old now and I have to watch everything I'm thinking.
	And it's really hard.
	So we're talking about children that can literally pick up what you're thinking a lot of the time.
	They can sense your emotions, your feelings.
	And it can be very, very difficult to be in an environment where you've got that kind of ability.
	And schools, let's face it, you've got all of that going on.
	So do you think that in the past we might have labeled some young people as psychic or maybe just having abilities that we don't quite understand?
	But actually they've missed the point that these are children that have their origins not here?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, you know, psychic's got a really bad name.
	And I often use the word intuitive because it's a better way of saying the same thing.
	What it really means is we have an ability to tap into the multi-dimensional nature of our reality, which, you know, many scientists are calling the quantum universe or the quantum hologram.
	That's now being very accepted that we live in a dimensional reality.
	And what it is also showing us is that we can all tap into that.
	We all get insights.
	We all get intuition about something, a feeling or a knowing or a sensing about something.
	But with these children, it's heightened because they're, I believe, are an upgrade of human.
	And I believe that's been done deliberately by these intelligences.
	They've been assisting humanity to wake up and become more aware so that we understand more of the consequences of what we're doing.
	And that includes the technology.
	At the moment, if you like, it's almost like, you know, we're a three-year-old with a loaded gun and we don't realize the gun can kill people.
	They've got to, because of the technology and what we're doing to the planet now, it's almost like they've given us a fast track to not only adolescence, but maturity.
	And these children are coming in with this awareness, which hopefully will help us understand the consequences of our actions, both technologically, but also in the way we treat one another, etc.
	When I talked to a seven-year-old who said to me, I can tell when someone's lying to me and when they're telling the truth.
	And I said, so what does it feel like?
	And he said, well, Mary, when they're telling the truth, I feel all warm.
	But when they're lying to me, I just go very cold.
	That was his way of explaining how he knew the difference between someone, the information someone was giving him.
	Well, that's a remarkable story, you have to say.
	Do you get a sense of how long this has been going on for?
	Is it something that's gone on for throughout history?
	I know that you said that our DNA has been messed with or improved or upgraded or changed or whatever.
	But the idea that children are coming here that have their origins elsewhere, is that something that is within the last 50 years or is it something that goes beyond that?
	I think that if you, that's a really good question.
	I'm trying to encapsulate what I think is going on.
	I think that what's been happening is that a lot of these new humans have been coming in probably for the last hundred years or so in an accelerated rate once we started with the atom bomb, etc.
	It's almost like those intelligences that have been part of our ancestry have decided, you know, things are getting pretty toxic down on planet Earth.
	We better start raising the consciousness of humans.
	And so what's coming in are these upgrade humans that hopefully will help us reach a new level of awareness, spirituality, where we realize the consequences of energy, who we are, what we're doing to the planet, et cetera, et cetera.
	And they seem to be coming in with different mandates, say some to do with ecology, some to do with healing, some to do with new technologies.
	I was speaking to a Spanish girl of 16 who calls herself a hybrid, and she gets downloads of quantum physics.
	People say to me, well, that's what she's saying, is it?
	What I've been doing because I belong to this organization with scientists in it, if it's scientific information, I send it to them, to the physicists.
	We've got Dr. Rudy Shield, who's an astrophysicist.
	If it's information that I think is relevant to them, I will send it on and say, tell me whether or not this has integrity.
	Is this in fact data that you can use?
	Because obviously, the more I can get the qualification of the data that's coming through, the better to give it validity, etc.
	So I'm looking at a lot of the data that comes through and doing my best to find the right people to look at it and see whether or not this is valid and it's useful, because this is what's happening.
	Many of them are having downloads of high physics right through, as I say, to understanding a different way with how we treat the planet, etc.
	I presume a physicist, if you sent a physicist some of these downloads, a physicist could tell pretty quickly whether there was genuine science behind them.
	Even if it was science of an order that perhaps they didn't grasp, they would at least see the basics.
	Do those things happen?
	Absolutely.
	And this is why I'm very, you know, I feel very lucky that with my, you know, with my contacts now, I've got individuals, I can send them information and say, okay, what do you think of this information that's come from a seven-year-old or a 10-year-old or a 16-year-old or whatever?
	What do you think of that?
	And what kinds of responses do you get?
	Sometimes it will be something that they can't work out.
	They say it's not in my framework.
	I can't quite understand what's going on here.
	Other times, it's been extremely valuable.
	So it just depends on the level of the data that's coming through.
	But the most important thing is that it is something that the person themselves often quite struggle with.
	What do I do with this?
	Who do I send it to?
	How do I work with this?
	And this comes with certain inventions like free energy, et cetera, et cetera.
	So for me, I act as the, if you like, the conduit to my networks to see who I can ask about whatever it is, whether I say it's medical information, et cetera, et cetera, or whether it's, I say, physics, et cetera.
	Do any of them have a sense of the political mess that we seem to be making of the planet?
	Absolutely.
	And a lot of those that go on board craft, one of the things I'll say the beings are saying to them is this ecological message of how we're treating the planet and what we've got to stop doing.
	And interestingly, I found many of those who've had contact experiences in a lot of these organizations that are there to protect the planet or to protect, you know, our wildlife, et cetera, et cetera.
	And when I talked to them and what was the motivation that you got involved in this organization, they said, because I've always known that this was important.
	And when I investigate further, many of them have had contact experiences and they said on board craft, this is what the beings were telling me.
	They were telling me about what's going on on the planet and we can't keep doing this, et cetera, et cetera.
	So their motivation has come from their contact experiences.
	Who are the beings then?
	Where are they from?
	I know you said there are various kinds, but are there a number of principal kinds or are there many?
	There are actually many.
	When people say they've seen a grey, for example, a grey, you know, the little four-foot grey that Many people, you know, you see them on the television.
	It's the classic grey being.
	And they all put them in the same basket.
	Well, actually, one lady told me that she knew of 165 species of grey alone.
	So that's just the greys.
	165.
	You know, a human being, and saying, well, that represents all humans.
	There are a whole range of humanoids, different coloured skins coming from many different places, including, you know, Orion, Arctorus, Andromeda, Sirius, the Pleiades.
	I mean, even the Aborigines here in Australia say they come from the Seven Sisters, and the beings come from there.
	So there's a whole range of different planets in our own density, if you like, but there are also others that come from other dimensions, are interdimensional.
	We have some that are extra-dimensional and transdimensional and some that we believe now may very well come from our future.
	So we're not just talking about extraterrestrials here.
	We're talking about contact with a whole range of intelligences.
	Some of them are physical, some of them are non-physical, and some are feline beings, etc.
	A lot of people see lion beings, feline beings.
	We've got some that look like ants.
	We've got those called the mantis, which look like praying mantis beings, for example.
	So we're talking about a whole compendium of forms and shapes that, you know, people have sent to me of their experiences.
	So, you know, it's not just one or two species here we're talking about.
	We're talking about a real matrix of intelligences that people can interact with.
	And yet all of them seem to have some kind of agreement or pact that says that they will operate here with a sense of mystery.
	Not everybody will see them.
	They will be invisible for much of the time.
	And those people who actually do encounter them are very few and very far between.
	It's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
	Or maybe it isn't, to assume that they all have some kind of agreement between themselves that they are not going to appear in Downing Street in London or on the turf of the White House.
	Well, one of the things that is the famous, why don't they land on the White House lawn?
	Well, they'd be shot at.
	There's the reason.
	And they've been shot at.
	That's part of the problem that we have is many of these craft that are being seen.
	And the Navy has finally admitted in the US of some craft that they've seen off San Francisco, I think it was San Francisco.
	But anyway, off the coast of California.
	And they have shown different craft in lots in Mexico.
	The military there have talked about the craft that they've seen when they've been filmed by the military, et cetera, et cetera.
	The problem is, or at least the military whistleblowers are saying, the reason they haven't talked about this and shared the fact that our military have met some of these beings.
	And there's a great deal about the Roswell incident, for example, where one of the creatures was still alive and was still alive in 1952, for example.
	They have had many of these crashes around the globe, from South Africa to South America.
	A lot of them get shipped to America, for example.
	So there have been the connections to humanoids and the greys and other beings with the military.
	And at the moment, that's still not being acknowledged, etc.
	There was supposed to be a gentleman, a humanoid, that was in the White House for three years, I think in the 1960s.
	Valiant Thor was his name.
	And he offered apparently, allegedly, the government there a lot of the technologies that we would be very grateful for now, from free energy to healing technologies and what have you.
	And it was turned down because of the fact that it meant the whole social economic structure of this planet would change.
	So it was turned down, but he stayed with them for three years.
	And there's a book about Valiant Thor, but he's not the only one.
	There have been other instances where these intelligences, at least the physical ones, have visited and interacted with certain members of our governments and what have you.
	None of this, of course, has been owned, except for through whistleblowers, etc., etc.
	But they've had these beings, including the Greys, where they've interacted with them.
	So it isn't like they haven't wanted to interact with us.
	It's been our own governments often that have been the problem in interacting or at least letting the public know this is going on.
	And there's a book called The Day After Roswell by Colonel Corso, who was actually in the White House for four years and used a lot, if you like, used some of what we call reverse technology of things like fiber optics, the digital trip, night vision, all came from crashed craft.
	And he said he'd seen some of these beings in White-Patterson Air Force Base.
	He himself had actually seen them.
	And he also mentions meeting one of these beings outside an Air Force base in the US.
	And this being said, you know, he said to the beings, so what's in it for us?
	And apparently this being, allegedly this being said to him, a new world if you can take it.
	And apparently we couldn't take it because it would mean, of course, a complete change in the power structure of this planet.
	And this is the reason that I'm particularly, if you like, focused on all of this is you have not only hundreds, not only thousands, I believe millions of people around this planet who are having interactions with these beings that can't talk about it because it's still considered that they're hallucinating or they're mentally challenged in some way.
	And they are ending up in hospitals and medicated when in fact they're having real experiences.
	And that is why I do what I do.
	And how is it going To be possible, do you think, for professionals to be able to tell the difference in the future between those people who have an extraterrestrial background to them and those who have a genuine medical issue that needs to be attended to?
	Well, as soon as we get the truth and it's acknowledged that this is a reality, that's going to change psychology anyway, because we're going to have to look at the fact that people are actually intuitive or psychic or multi-dimensional.
	Because anything that you have where you say you're hearing voices or you're sensing things is immediately one of the things that they look at and think, oh, there's something wrong here.
	The truth is, I've been working with people and their issues now for 30 plus years.
	And I can almost put my finger on someone who is unwell to somebody who's actually having a very real experience.
	And anyone who is well trained in psychology or counseling soon knows when someone has lost, if you like, their groundedness on planet Earth and is not operating in a healthy way.
	It's very clear and you can soon tell.
	And what do you say to them then, the ones who you don't think are genuine and have another issue?
	How do you put them in the right direction?
	Well, I will say that they might actually be having both.
	They may actually have had a lot of experiences that has tipped them over into not being well and whatever.
	So sometimes that can be blurred, but it's actually really clear when they're not handling it very well.
	And I will be the first to say, you need to go and see someone.
	I can't work with you at this moment in time because you're not dealing very well.
	You're not grounded and you actually need some further help.
	But you know, the interesting thing is I'm often asked by the media, you know, they say to me, so you believe them then.
	And I'm saying, and one of the things I've said to them, you know, I've never been to Alaska.
	But if enough people tell me they've been to Alaska and they've taken pictures and they've had experiences in Alaska, I may never ever go to Alaska, but I've got to believe Alaska exists.
	There are people out there that have come from other countries to see me.
	They've literally spent a lot of money to come and see me in my little town in central Queensland, also in Australia.
	I said, do you honestly think people are going to spend all that money to come and see me to tell me about a fantasy?
	I said, they've spent a lot of money to do that.
	I'm not going to make them famous.
	I'm not going to give them money, but they've come because something is so significant to them.
	They have come from all those distances because they want to get understanding.
	You don't do that over a fantasy.
	When we think about the young people that you've encountered and their experiences, like the girl of 16 in Spain, for example, or the others who are younger, and they're all growing up, is there some sense that they will eventually all be in contact with each other and they will all not exactly rise up, but they will unite to work on the mission that they're here to fulfill?
	I am sure that will happen because when you get enough having these experiences, they're connecting over the internet.
	There's lots of different websites now where they'll call themselves maybe Starseeds or they'll just be an experiencer, for example.
	And they're all connecting already through those kinds of mediums.
	And I am working with a group called the Conscious Youth in the US, where the children there meet every fortnight or so and share their experiences with a facilitator.
	And I'm actually going to be doing something with the parents in the next few weeks as well that are with these children so that the parents can be as informed and supported as possible with their children having these experiences.
	So it's happening and it's happening very quickly.
	And I think it needs to.
	Of course, it's vital that we protect children.
	Childhood is a precious thing.
	And, you know, these days, children grow up way too fast, a lot of people say, and I can understand why they do.
	What do you do to protect the children who communicate with each other, perhaps after they've seen you, in groups maybe on the internet?
	Do you know what is being done to make sure that people who are not what they say they are don't infiltrate those groups?
	It's a good question.
	With me, because of the way that I work, is that if there is a child that's contacting me, I will immediately say, I need to talk to your parents because there's no way that I can support you unless I have the parents' agreement to that.
	But I also connect the parents, not the children directly.
	So it's about the parents understanding their child wants to talk to another child that's having this experience.
	So I'm very, very careful that these children are protected through parental guidance and whatever.
	I certainly don't encourage children, vulnerable children, talking to other children without understanding that they need their parents' approval.
	And one was very interesting with, and it can be quite challenging when you've got teenagers contact you because again, they may want to tell you.
	And I remember one young lady contacting me and she said, I know who I am.
	I know that I'm one of these star seeds and whatever.
	But my parents have a belief system that means they don't understand.
	And it was quite a fundamentalist belief system.
	And I said, but you need to let your parents know that we're communicating.
	And she says, but if I do, she said, they'll stop me because they don't understand.
	They don't get this.
	And so it was very hard for me on one level, because I wanted to support her.
	On another, wanting to get the parents involved in some way so that, you know, there was that protection there.
	But what happens is, in fact, I think the most sad was a 21-year-old young man who told me that his parents were fundamentalist Christians.
	And he said, but I know I'm having these experiences.
	And he said, but if I tell them, they will just disown me.
	He said, so I just don't know what to do.
	And he was so caught up in their Religious beliefs and what have you, and he said, But I can't tell them, I can't tell them this is what's going on for me.
	And he was actually suicidal because he didn't know what else to do.
	So sometimes it can be really difficult.
	And I did say to him that I had some ministers of religion that have had experiences that I could connect into that may help him with a religious dilemma.
	But he never got back to me.
	And I don't know what happened to him.
	But these sometimes can be really difficult, knowing how best to protect and help someone that has an understanding of themselves that is different to the parents.
	Well, we all hope that he's okay.
	How many years ago is that?
	That was only about two or three years ago.
	And I tried to connect him to a minister of religion who I've written about, who is a minister here in Queensland that for 40 years was aware of his experiences but never spoke about them to his congregation.
	How did he reconcile that with his faith?
	Well, interestingly, he came to see me a few times.
	And then after that, he actually went to the bishop and said and told him he can't be a minister anymore.
	And the bishop wouldn't let him leave, even though he admitted to his experiences, not only his ET experiences, but his awareness of reincarnation as well.
	And his story is in The New Human and he admits that he's been, he said, really, I've been a hypocrite for 40 years because I should have owned this many years prior to this.
	So how would you sum up, both with the children, the young people and the adults who come to you?
	And you say that you've dealt with around 3,000 cases of their amounts.
	How would you sum up what you do?
	Is it just that, like in so many things that people have in this world, sharing your problem, sharing your issue somehow makes it easy?
	You know, they say a trouble shared is a trouble halved.
	Is it that or is it more than that?
	Good question.
	The most important thing that I do is disseminate information through my presentations and through my research to help people join their own dots.
	I send out a questionnaire and say, if any of this makes sense to you, it will help you put your picture or your experience into some kind of format.
	That is the first thing that I do.
	The second is that I listen.
	And for many people, I might have been the very first person they've ever spoken to about this.
	And that is huge because they might be 50, 60, 70 years old and they've never, ever shared it with anybody.
	So the fact that I've actually done that for them can be all that they've ever wanted.
	They don't want to put it out anywhere else.
	They just want to be believed that that's their experience.
	But for others, I will work through hypnosis.
	If they want to delve into missing time episodes or other experiences from another level, I will do hypnosis with them to help them put those pieces together as well.
	So it's a combination of information, it's a combination of listening support, and it's a combination of helping them explore certain experiences through hypnosis if they wish to do that as well.
	And of course, we have to say, from what we read and what we know, not all experiences of this kind are warm, fluffy, and benevolent, are they?
	Some people go through experiences that give them nightmares for years.
	How do you help them?
	You're quite right.
	There's a percentage of those that it's absolutely terrifying.
	And the important thing is the more they understand of what's going on, the more they can deal with their fears.
	Because sometimes their fears of first not being believed, second, maybe of being thought crazy, also wanting to know why, why them, what's it all about, what part in them is drawing this experience to them.
	So there's all those things that they may want to understand or explore.
	But if they've got a particularly terrifying experience, often when you take them into hypnosis, they may get a different understanding of why they've had interactions with that particular beings or those particular beings, which may completely change their attitude to what's going on.
	For example, if they see themselves having procedures done or they have flashbacks of that, but don't know what that procedure is or why.
	If you take them into hypnosis, they may discover the reason for that.
	And sometimes the reason is something that completely confounds them because it may be a healing procedure.
	It may be something where they understand their connection to the beings, which completely changes the way that they viewed or their perspective of that experience.
	Right.
	So, you know, it's an unwinding, really, an unpicking of the experience.
	What do you make of people like Calvin Parker, who didn't speak very much about what happened to him 46 years ago?
	I think it is in Pascagoula, who I've interviewed recently.
	There are now two books out about Calvin's experiences because he wants to get this out there.
	What do you make of people who wait for many years and then come out and finally unburden themselves in the way that Calvin has?
	I think that the reason, and it's very brave of him, and it's also interesting now that we're getting a number of people reaching a point where they want to share their experiences, mainly because it's been a burden to them to be holding on to this all these years, but also trying to help others that might be having experiences and helping them to understand more of what's going on and its reality, for example.
	I think it's also a sign of the times we're getting more drip feeding of disclosure going on with more and more from various authorities saying that this is a reality.
	Even in the media now, there's less of the sniggering.
	There's less of the, you know, this whole way of looking at this as though they must be crazy.
	There is a shift in our awareness.
	There's a shift in our understanding of what's actually going on.
	And people through the internet, through what they're seeing on television is opening people's minds.
	And people are feeling now it's a bit safer to come out with this Because there are such a number of people like Calvin writing their stories or sharing their stories.
	Strange question to bring to you towards the end of this, but it's just occurred to me.
	I've interviewed at least one person in doing all of this for all these years who claims that he's been having regular relations in a sort of physical sense with aliens for a very long period of his life, most of it, I think.
	Do you come across people like that?
	And if you do, what sort of stories do they tell you and what do you tell them?
	Well, certainly there is another level to some of these interactions.
	And that's to do with the mixing of genetics of different species with human.
	And yes, I've come across a number of cases where a person will have a relationship with one of these beings on board craft.
	I even remember the wife of this particular gentleman really struggling because her husband was really close to this being and they would have intimacy on board craft with hybrid children.
	And that's a whole other agenda is the hybridization of certain species with humans, but they're not always physical on human, they won't necessarily be born and live on the planet, but live on spacecraft as well.
	And that's a whole other story of what's going on.
	But yes, both women as well as men.
	And I know also that often it may not just be having a physical intimacy.
	Sometimes it's a genetic material taken.
	For men, it will be sperm.
	For women, it will be over that are taken.
	And some women have been aware of having a number of missing pregnancies where they've been shown these hybrid children on board craft, which are their children, but they're not fully human.
	They're part ET, part human as well.
	And they are often asked to connect with them as part of their relationship with these hybrid children that they have.
	There's some incredible stories that people at the moment still don't realize is going on.
	And what's fascinating is I was speaking only in Brazil a few months ago with, and it was a story about a former air hostess that met one of her hybrid children physically in a hotel corridor.
	And when this daughter turned around and looked at her, she was part human, part feline, and it scared the living daylights out of her until she was shown several years later the same daughter up on the spacecraft when she went up on the spacecraft and realizing it was her daughter and her daughter had come physically to meet her.
	So this goes really down the rabbit hole and it just keeps going.
	And what do you think finally is the end game of all of these contacts?
	There must be an ultimate aim to it all.
	You know, presumably it's to do with us not destroying ourselves as a species now that we have the capacity to do that.
	But I don't know.
	Do you think, and have there been messages given to some of the people that you've spoken with that suggest that one of these days there will be an end game and we will know that we're not alone in the universe and we'll all be living a much better life?
	It's a good question.
	And it's one, of course, you can't be in this without wanting to know what the ultimate agenda is or whatever.
	And I think there are many complex programs and agendas.
	But I think the one that sticks out as the highest possible agenda was shown by our surveys that we did with Free.
	And that was that 85% of those 4,200 people that did the survey said that, and this is 85%, that they had a psycho-spiritual transformation, that it completely changed their focus in life from materialism into a more holistic spiritual awareness.
	And for them, they would never change it.
	And that's quite fascinating.
	And what I'm seeing here is those that have contact through a process, no matter what that process is, whether it's through fear or whether it's through a complete acceptance of their encounters, their whole focus is on a change of paradigm on this planet, which is one where we take care of our planet and take care of ourselves and each other in a new way of compassion and love.
	And interestingly, this eight-year-old told me that he had come because he can communicate with animals.
	And he said, and part of his mission was to teach humans how to treat animals with respect.
	And that was his mission.
	So the end game, I think, is to get us to a point where we are, if you like, a species that can interact and be part of the galactic community.
	And that's where I think the end game is, that we're hopefully going to evolve to be ready to join our ancestors.
	Mary, fascinating.
	If people want to contact you, read about your work, where do they go online?
	Well, they can Google Mary Rodwell and you'll come up with a CERN.com.au, which is the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network.
	I'm also a co-founder of Free, Experiencer.org, any of those ways.
	And I've got a Facebook with Mary Rodwell on it.
	So it's really very easy to contact me.
	Mary, thank you very much for doing this.
	Howard, it's been a pleasure and thank you for your insightful questions.
	Mary Rodwell in Australia.
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