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June 3, 2019 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 397 - Claire Waters

Claire Waters believes her daughter is psychic... and has written their story....taking steps to protect their privacy...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet.
	By webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Unexplained.
	Well, thank you very much if you've been in touch recently.
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	And thank you to him for his work on the show.
	Now, we have what might be a charming and interesting show this time round and a very different one, something that we've talked around in the past, but never specifically talked about.
	I'm talking about children and the powers that they sometimes appear to exhibit when young.
	Now, I've spoken to a lot of people who've claimed to have psychic abilities or mediumistic abilities on this show, and most of them, not all of them, have said that whatever they felt was affecting them or guiding them or empowering them started to appear when they were very young.
	It was almost something that they came into the world with.
	And I've always found that interesting.
	Now, in some cases, those things appear very young, then they have a little bit of a lull through the teenage years, and then they appear again later.
	That's a very common theme.
	What we're going to talk about now is Claire Waters' story, and in particular, but not entirely, the story of her daughter Faith.
	Now, Claire has written a book, partly about her daughter, in fact mainly about her daughter, I think, called Raising Faith.
	And Claire believes that Faith came into this world as a psychic medium with the ability to see spirits and know things that the rest of us, unless we try very hard.
	And then a lot of the time, even then, these things elude us, are not aware of.
	Now, there are a few things I want to say about this, because I know that a lot of people would just do an interview and say, gee whiz, isn't this great?
	And like I say, parts of this story are very touching, and the book that Claire has written about this is very, very well written, I think.
	But let's just say this.
	I've always thought that childhood is a very special place, and children have so many pressures on them these days, pressures that I didn't have when I was a child, and that we have to recognize that.
	And we have to protect children and allow them to be children, allow them to have a childhood.
	So don't go encouraging them to be rock stars or whatever you want them to be.
	They have to be ultimately what they want to be.
	And I speak here from experience.
	I had, and I've talked about them before, two wonderful parents in Liverpool.
	And, you know, they're both gone now.
	In the last 15 years or so, I've lost both of them.
	And you know that the void that they leave is enormous.
	And I will never be the same.
	And I hope, I don't firmly and definitely know, but I hope and pray that I will meet them one day again and can have another conversation with them about what happened since they ceased to be a physical part of my life.
	So, my parents were loving.
	They showered me in love.
	I had everything that I wanted.
	And outside pressures did not impact upon me.
	The only things I had to worry about were things like passing exams.
	And, you know, there was the personal pressure within me to do my very best through my life for them, which sometimes I have achieved and sometimes I haven't.
	But because they were wonderful parents, they were always delighted with anything I did.
	So, childhood is precious in my view and most people's view.
	So if you have a child who you think is exhibiting the abilities of a psychic or appears to be contacting something, what do you do?
	Well, in previous generations, I guess you would encourage the child to go out and play, do something else, ignore this, you know, because you would assume it's a fantasy of some sort.
	You know, things that we believe when we're very little are not always the things that we believe when we're very old.
	That's just a fact and part of growing up, I suppose.
	But if this keeps happening, then what do you do?
	So, Claire Waters has written a book about what she did and what they did.
	And Raising Faith, I think, is an interesting book.
	There are important questions that we will have to ask through this, but I think you'll find the story pretty compelling one way and another.
	And I would be very keen to hear your views about this when you've heard it.
	So you can always contact me through theunexplained.tv.
	Big plans for future shows.
	Some great guests booked, so I hope you enjoy those.
	Coming soon, David Whitehouse, former BBC Science Editor, old friend of mine, old friend of my shows and everything I've done on radio, one of the greatest speakers on these topics I think this country has.
	And he's written a marvelous new book out in June called The Story of Apollo.
	Like everything David does, it is beautifully researched and really well put together.
	So we'll talk with David Whitehouse in a future edition about the story of the Apollo missions to the moon and what they mean for us now and what they meant for us then.
	But right now, let's get to Claire Waters and we'll talk about her book And the story of her life with faith and bringing up a child with abilities.
	Claire Waters, thank you very much for coming on my show.
	Pleasure.
	Thanks for having me on your show, Howard.
	Now, Claire, I need to get, before we talk about any of these things, I need to get a bit of a snapshot of you.
	I know that you live in a rural part, you're down in Hampshire, but talk to me about you as a person.
	Well, I'm a classical homeopath.
	That's really where my history is.
	I've been practicing now for about 13 years.
	I am a mum.
	I've got two children.
	Day-to-day is just normal family life, you know, raising two children.
	And yeah, my homeopathy practice really is the business that's been keeping me going all of these years, the thing that's been my passion and my love, until I was led into the spiritual side of things, which was completely new to me.
	Okay.
	And of course, you know that to some people, less so today, but to some people, all of that stuff is wacky, flaky, and all the rest of it.
	So it must have been a bit of a journey then for you to move from homeopathy to something that you really can't see.
	Yes.
	And in all honesty, I mean, I've always been keen to be very professional in the homeopathy.
	You know, I'm very aware of how easily we get discredited as homeopaths.
	And I always try to put up a very professional front to my practice.
	And so, yes, when then my life took a bit of a U-turn into the spiritual side of things, again, I definitely had difficulties.
	And I think even today for me, it's really important as somebody who talks about spiritual matters that I'm just a regular but professional person.
	You know, I'm keen to sort of appeal to people that maybe haven't already experienced spiritual things before.
	I just want to shed a light on it in a different way, really, from a more, you know, just, I am holistic, you know, I absolutely do have some broad beliefs.
	You know, I love everything natural and organic.
	Yes, you know, I'm very much a holistic person, but I've also very much got my feet on the ground.
	And I'm hoping that's what the message I can get across here about the spiritual side is that, you know, you don't need to be completely involved in anything alternative to understand this topic or to believe in this topic.
	Yeah, and I think more and more people are sort of coming to that view, even if they don't necessarily accept all of it.
	I think some people will grudgingly accept, a lot of people will grudgingly accept these days that there is maybe more beyond what we see in heaven and earth, if that is not a very bungled way of putting things.
	All right, before the birth of faith, your daughter, who you write about in this book, Raising Faith, did spirituality, mediumship and all of those things impact on your life in any way?
	No, not at all.
	I had never even visited a psychic medium.
	I knew nothing at all about spiritual or psychic matters.
	In all honesty, I'd always been quite frightened of it.
	I'd grown up as many teenagers watching horror movies and then didn't sleep for weeks on end.
	And to me, anything otherworldly was just pretty frightening.
	But what I will say is I was never skeptical about the abilities of psychic mediums.
	I always believed them.
	I just found it really quite frightening and daunting.
	And, you know, I didn't really understand what they would know about me already.
	So it was more fear-based than anything.
	Did you believe all of them?
	I mean, I guess I probably had a level of there's probably some out there that aren't so good or maybe some that aren't so, yeah, I don't know, aren't so well-intentioned.
	But largely, you know, if the topic ever came up, I wouldn't necessarily have dismissed it as all nonsense.
	I just would have thought, oh, that's all a bit strange and frightening and a bit weird.
	My mother had actually visited psychic mediums when I was a teenager, and I do remember a few of her visits.
	And I was as fascinated as I was terrified, really.
	And there was one occasion when somebody had cancelled an appointment with this psychic medium, and she'd popped my name in the diary.
	And actually, I was not, I refused to go.
	I just didn't want to know.
	I just didn't like the idea of it at all.
	So, no, in a nutshell, no, I was not involved in spiritual things at all.
	Okay, so I think I can fairly say then up to the point when you became a mum, you were not a pushover?
	No, I wouldn't have been a pushover.
	I mean, I'm not one of those people who needs facts and figures.
	I tend to, I've always trusted my instinct, interestingly.
	And I understand now, you know, this is part of everyone's psychic abilities is having that intuition, trusting your instinct.
	So I would have always trusted my instinct.
	And if something didn't feel right to me, I wouldn't necessarily have believed it.
	But if it felt like it made sense to me, then yes.
	And if I, you know, if I could relate to it and I thought, well, yeah, I can see how that might be the case, then I was comfortable, you know, listening to people and considering that point of view.
	The foreword of your book says this, and this wasn't written by you, but this was written by, I think, a medium you got to write this.
	And I quote, with the growing number of psychic children being born into this world, there is a need for genuine support and guidance for parents navigating this subject for the first time.
	So that's kind of a mission statement for what we're about to discuss, isn't it?
	Yes, it is, really.
	This story is not only about faith, your daughter, it's also about your son Tom, isn't it?
	And you?
	That's right.
	Yes, that's right.
	I mean, it started with the knowledge of the children and then it's progressed since then, definitely.
	I mean, the children now are 12 and 14, and the story raising faith starts when they were two and four.
	So we've had 10 years now of these experiences and learning how to live with these psychic gifts.
	Okay, there are a few things that I want to ask you about, and I have to ask you about first, if we're going to do this in a reasonably professional way.
	Number one is this.
	When I was four years of age, I used to go around telling people that I'd lived before in California.
	Indeed, I could describe California.
	And when I went to California many decades later, I actually felt that I knew it.
	But then I was four years of age, and by the time I was 10 years of age, I no longer told people that I believed I'd been born in California.
	In other words, what I'm saying is that if my parents had seized on this and capitalized on this in this day and age, then they'd have been telling people, well, our son has lived before.
	But they didn't.
	They allowed me to grow up and be a child and not be impacted by those things.
	Because look, the bottom line is this.
	Children say and think many things.
	Many children have imaginary playmates.
	They think that they can go to space.
	They're influenced by what they see on television.
	So how can you be sure, and we'll talk about Faith first because she came first, that Faith had something that was not just the natural instincts of a child to range in their mind and explore ideas, but ideas is all they are?
	Well, you know, the journey started with me being relatively skeptical.
	You know, it wasn't actually Faith who first told me of her gifts.
	It was a psychic medium that told me.
	And I'd actually got in touch with the psychic medium about something completely different.
	And she happened to mention in passing, by the way, do you realize both your children are actually very gifted?
	And in all honesty, Howard, if I could have swept it under the carpet, I would have done because I didn't really want to live with this.
	And when I then confronted Faith about it, you know, it took me a couple of weeks to pluck up the courage because she was just four and I didn't want to frighten her or put words in her mouth or, and I wasn't quite sure I wanted to know the answers either.
	And she wasn't interested in it.
	She, when I first approached her about it, you know, she just shrugged her shoulders.
	She was playing with her toys on her bedroom floor and she couldn't understand why I was so interested in it.
	You know, she didn't embellish anything she told me.
	She just sort of, you know, answered my questions politely.
	And it was really only when I pointed out that I couldn't see the people that she was seeing in the room at that moment that she looked quite shocked.
	She looked up at me and she wasn't comfortable with that.
	So partly this wasn't a child who was, you know, talking about imaginary friends all the time.
	This wasn't someone who was embellishing the stories and wanting attention from it.
	She was quite a reserved, mature little girl.
	So I guess for starters, you know, as much as I was doubting what I'd been told by the psychic medium, I could also see that my daughter wasn't wanting attention from this, you know.
	And it was really only as the weeks went on and I started trying to learn what I could about this topic.
	And I noticed that really it was at bedtime that she was most relaxed.
	You know, we tucked her into bed.
	Everything is quiet.
	And as you might know, it's when we're quiet and technology is down and, you know, the room is darker that spirit actually can connect much more easily.
	Well, there are those who definitely say that, and I'm sure it must be conducive to this.
	I've got to ask this, and that's not because I'm doing necessarily a news interview here or being a hard-nosed journalist about it.
	But you said that you engaged with Faith about this on the say-so of a psychic medium.
	Now, did you ever question whether that was a responsible thing to do, bearing in mind that she was four?
	Oh, sure, for definite.
	I mean, that's why it took me two weeks to pluck up the courage, to be honest.
	You know, as a parent, I didn't want to frighten her.
	I didn't want to confuse her.
	And I really just couldn't quite get my head around this.
	You know, there'd been nothing really to suggest that she had any special gifts, you know, unlike any other child.
	So absolutely, you know, and I spoke to my husband about it.
	And, you know, he was quite skeptical and disbelieving of the whole thing.
	He's not as into it as you are, is he?
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	And even now, he really struggles with this topic.
	He really wants more scientific proof.
	He really needs more than he, you know, than we can offer him to really prove this.
	But, you know, for him, I think it was the quickest way to nip this in the bud and move forwards was just fine, have the conversation with her and let's move on.
	You know, this is all a bit crazy and strange.
	And you're quite happy that by having the conversation with her and doing it in what sounds to me like a very gentle way that you did this, you know, you were not prodding her for answers or anything like that, but you're absolutely certain in your own mind that you were not putting a suggestion in her mind because she would want to please mummy.
	Well, you know, a lot of people have said that, and I can completely understand and relate to that, but no, I mean, it's difficult because how do you prove this?
	You know, how do you definitively prove that your child can speak to spirits?
	And really, for me, it's about what feels right.
	It's about the messages we've had coming through.
	It's about the visitors and the details that she's offered me over the years about these visitors.
	But I think as with anything on this spiritual level, you know, there's always going to be a question of really, well, you know, give me more evidence.
	Help me understand how that's really the case.
	You know, I think you can go around the houses constantly questioning and challenging and doubting, but at the end of the day, you have to go with what feels right to you.
	And for me, this felt like this was something rather than imagination.
	And how did you protect her?
	Because as a young child, obviously you don't really want people outside the family and in the outside world at that sort of age engaging with this on any level.
	No, and even today, actually, we are very, despite the book, actually, there are steps we've taken to try and help her maintain some privacy.
	So back then, certainly, I attempted to talk to a couple of close friends about it.
	I mentioned it to family members, really because I was so on my own with this.
	I had no one to talk to.
	I didn't understand what I'd been told or what was going on.
	But, you know, I didn't really have the support that I was hoping for.
	Most people sort of rolled their eyes and said, oh, I don't believe in any of that nonsense or, oh, that's nice, dear, you know, but they really didn't know what to say to me or how to help me.
	And the thing I think I found most difficult was people didn't even ask me about it.
	Even once I told them what had happened and what I'd been told and some of the experiences we'd had, they never asked me again.
	They never said, how are you getting on?
	How is Faith doing?
	You know, how is this affecting her?
	So it was quite an isolated journey.
	But yes, it wasn't something that we opened up and spoke to anybody else about.
	And really from that day forward, once I'd had a couple of negative comments from people I trusted, we just didn't talk to other people about it.
	We were very much just us.
	I mean, I guess if I, I don't have children, but if I'd had children, I'd had a son or daughter who was a gifted musician, then without being a pushy parent, I would do whatever I could to gently nurture the talent.
	So I suppose this is the same.
	Well, I think in the early days, it wasn't really so much about nurturing her talent as it was I was frightened of it.
	And I wanted to understand who are these people visiting her, you know, men, women, children in her bedroom at night time.
	What is going on?
	You know, who are they?
	What on earth do they want with her?
	And, you know, I just didn't understand what it was about being a psychic medium.
	And so for me, I went on a journey of learning as much as I could to protect her.
	This was more about protecting her than nurturing her gift.
	This was more about understanding the world that she was living in because actually at four years old, she'd been living with this gift, I believe, since birth.
	And so she'd managed quite well without me.
	But this was more about my protective instincts as a parent in wanting to understand what was going on in her world.
	I mean, you say, and it's very interesting and it's very impactful when you say it, that you were told subsequently, and we'll get into the involvement of other people in this story, but you were told subsequently that she lived in two worlds and she was just simply unaware, and you wouldn't be as a child, of the dividing line between those two worlds.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, she saw them in the room the same way that she saw living people.
	I mean, there were occasions she would see them slightly differently.
	Sometimes they were in black and white, sometimes in colours, sometimes just the top half of the body.
	But largely at that age, she just saw them as other people in the room.
	And it just hadn't, it just hadn't crossed her mind, I think, you know, to even mention it to me.
	They were just there and they always had been.
	It was just normal for her.
	And one of the other issues for you, and then we can move away from the issues.
	But one of the other issues for you is that I know that things that I thought and believed when I was four, five, six, seven, subsequently I grew out of them.
	And by the time I'd been, you know, 13, 14, 15, 16, potentially I'd have been quite embarrassed by them.
	Were you mindful of that?
	Because by going public and by not making a fuss about this, but by engaging with this in the way that you have, you haven't really given her or indeed your son the chance to put this on the back burner in the teenage years and in later life, have you?
	Well, there are steps we've taken to protect their privacy.
	One of the things that we discussed in the early days was that, you know, I spoke to Faith about the idea of the book and she was happy to help with it because I explained that the purpose to it really was to help other people, but that I would do everything I could to keep her out of it.
	So she doesn't want to be involved in it.
	She doesn't want to ever speak to anyone about it.
	The photographs we use are ones from when she was younger.
	So we do quite a few things to try and help keep her out of this picture.
	And for her, I would agree with you, Howard.
	You know, she's now a teenage girl.
	This isn't a hot topic for her.
	This isn't something she wants to talk about.
	This isn't, she doesn't want to be different.
	She wants to be just like all of her peers at school.
	And so day to day, I totally leave her to it.
	You know, this is her gift, not mine.
	You know, this is for her to manage and for me to be there in the background as and when she needs me.
	She just wants to be like everybody else.
	I think I know the answer to this question then.
	If that is how she feels now, and she may feel differently when she's in her 20s and 30s, but if that's how she feels now, why have you written this book and put it into the public domain?
	Because for us, the journey to understand all of this information, to understand what it's like being a child and growing up in a family without knowledge of spiritual gifts and understanding how to look after yourself, how to protect yourself, you know, how to manage these visitors, this was an enormous challenge for us coming from a place of no knowledge.
	You know, there are plenty of adult psychic mediums out there who already have this knowledge, but there are also lots of children like ourselves being born into families without knowledge.
	And I've always been that person that tried to communicate something I've learned to help other people.
	I just happened to be wired that way as a homeopath and a healer myself.
	So for me, the book was very much about this is an incredible story, but actually look at all the things we've learned.
	These are things that can actually help other families out there.
	And so for me, that was my real reason behind, my motivation behind writing it was there's so much these families need to understand.
	And I didn't have anyone to help me.
	And I'm hoping that that's what raising faith is, really, is a support to people who have children like mine.
	And let's flip the hard questions on their head and try and make my listener understand the dilemma that you would have been in when you realized this.
	And that dilemma is, what do I do about this?
	Do I walk away from this?
	Do I sweep it under the carpet?
	Do we never talk about this?
	Does it become a taboo subject?
	And does that lay up problems for the children when they're older?
	Or do I find a gentle way of, and I'm using this word again, engaging with it?
	And that's the path that you took?
	It is.
	And I mean, I certainly did consider not going down this road.
	You know, for me, I've described this a few times now.
	It was like living in the movie The Matrix, you know, where the world you thought you had, it's not actually the one that you have.
	And I so desperately wanted my normal life back again.
	I wanted to forget this had even happened.
	This wasn't something I particularly wanted.
	But for me, the driving force between in pursuing it was the fact that she was living in it.
	She was living in this, whether I liked it or not.
	You know, she was having these visitors, whether I liked it or not.
	And I felt that responsibility as a parent to be there to support her and protect her and to help her as she grew up.
	So I didn't feel I particularly had much of a choice in the matter.
	It was a case of, I was fascinated in it for sure.
	But as I said, I was very frightened.
	But, you know, I had a responsibility to be there to help her with this.
	I couldn't just leave her to it.
	So.
	No, no, you're a mum.
	I understand that.
	And, you know, I had a caring mum too.
	So I get that.
	When you first connected with her about this when she was four, how did talk to me about that conversation?
	How did that go?
	Because I guess you had to tread very carefully there.
	Very.
	And that first conversation was fairly short and sweet, really.
	I mean, she was playing with figures in her bedroom On the floor, and I sort of just went in and I laid on the bed next to her.
	And she sort of glanced up at me, carried on playing, and she kept glancing at me as if to say, You know, what are you doing in here?
	You know, she could see something.
	I clearly had something to say.
	And I just asked her, you know, what I explained what I'd been told.
	And she just sort of nodded and carried on playing.
	You know, she wasn't even looking at me.
	She just wasn't interested at all.
	She sounds like a very bright child.
	And with a mum like you, that I can understand.
	You're sure that she understood what you were saying.
	Yeah, she did.
	She's always been very wise.
	Even the day she was born, she was just one of those children you look at and think, wow, you know, an old soul.
	She was always been very wise, very sensible, very reserved.
	She sees everything and takes it all in.
	And she is a very bright child, even academically, actually.
	She's very gifted and bright.
	But she, you know, she listened to what I had to say and she said, yes, when I said, you know, are there people in the room now?
	Of course, I'm shaking like a leaf thinking, oh my goodness, who are these people in the room?
	Because to me, I'm just thinking of horror movies.
	And she said, yes.
	And she just shrugs lots of them.
	You know, again, not really that fussed.
	And I rack my brain to think, well, you know, who are they?
	And, you know, she just shrugs.
	She didn't really want to talk about it.
	She wasn't interested.
	You know, it just wasn't that amazing to her.
	Well, it was part of her reality.
	Yeah, for sure.
	So it was as real as seeing and talking to you.
	The first encounter, I think, the first concrete encounter was with a man called Joseph Fredrickson.
	Yes, yes.
	And that was quite early on.
	You know, I think we'd only just found out about her gifts at this point.
	And she was in bed at night, tucked her in, and I could see her watching the end of the bed.
	And I just said to her, you know, what are you staring at?
	Who's there?
	And she just said, there's a man.
	And I, you know, at which point I'm starting to tremble, thinking, oh, crumbs, there's a man.
	And I said, and, you know, who is this man?
	And she gave me his name.
	And, you know, at four years old, I like to think most of the names she comes across are names that I would have been familiar with.
	But this was not a name I was familiar with.
	You know, Frederickson.
	I don't think I've even ever met someone with a surname Frederickson.
	So she came out with the name first of all.
	And I said, well, okay, you know, you know, what is he here for?
	And she started to describe that he was here to help her with courage.
	At which point I realized from some of the things I started reading that he must be one of her spirit guides and his particular job here was to help her with courage.
	Now, courage is not a word that was familiar to her at that age.
	You know, we might have used the word being brave or, you know, to help you be brave.
	It's a concept that comes to you later.
	Yeah, it just, it wasn't a word that she would have known.
	And I knew immediately, you know, this is not coming from her.
	She's listening to this man and she's relaying me these words.
	Can I just ask you a favor?
	I think you're either tapping the actual device or tapping a table that it's on.
	And it's picking it up to just a small extent.
	It's nothing serious.
	Sure.
	Just so that we can continue like that for the best possible sound quality for our listener.
	So Joseph Fredrikson, she's very aware of him.
	Yeah, she's very aware of him.
	She can see him.
	She can describe him to me.
	She explains that he had two children and she reels off the ages of them.
	I think they were in their teenagers.
	And she mentions that he still visits them now.
	So, you know, she obviously has an understanding that, you know, for him to be in her room and for him to be visiting his teenage children, he's obviously not with them anymore.
	And I said, okay, you know, what else can you tell me about him?
	And it was really this moment when she then just said, you know, he died in a car crash that really struck me as, oh my goodness, what am I doing with this?
	You know, what are we doing with our four-year-old daughter?
	You know, we had never talked about death through any means like that.
	You know, her granddad had died and that was the only real connection to death that she was aware of.
	Hearing someone who died in a car crash, you know, I was frightened and she wasn't.
	She just passed the message on as if she just told me his name.
	And I think you were very, very concerned as I would be concerned.
	And any parent would be concerned about the details that this Joseph Fredrickson may be passing on.
	And you didn't want your poor little daughter to have communicated through her details of the way that this man went.
	Yeah, I mean, I had no idea what would happen in this situation, you know, and my first thought was, oh my goodness, this is not appropriate for a four-year-old.
	You know, why has that even happened?
	How has that come out?
	You know, I simply asked the question, tell me about the man, and that's what we got.
	And so kind of inside my head, I just silently prayed and said, you know, please don't let anything scary come out.
	Don't let anything come out that might frighten her.
	And it didn't, to be fair.
	Nothing else came out that was inappropriate.
	But that for me was a real shock.
	You know, I hadn't realized that she would be able to give me messages like that.
	So do you think on the basis of what you've experienced that the other side, if the other side exists, filters information for young minds?
	Yes, I do believe that we've each got our spirit guides and that part of their role is to protect us with everything that we handle.
	So yes, I do think that they are there to keep each of us safe, including all of the children that we have with these special abilities.
	So yes, I mean, I think, you know, she is protected from anything scary, including any information that would be scary.
	But I might add, she wasn't frightened.
	I don't even think she particularly took on board what she told me.
	I think she was passing it from him to me almost like a channel.
	She wasn't actually absorbing the information.
	And even afterward, she couldn't remember a lot of it because actually she wasn't really listening.
	She was just kind of answering.
	It was sort of someone said it.
	She repeated it to me.
	She wasn't taking it on.
	So she's never been frightened by anything that's ever come through.
	Did she ever connect with anything that perhaps wasn't benevolent?
	No, and yeah.
	So up to the point of writing the book, no, nothing.
	Since then, yes, end of last year, we have had a spirit visitor who frightened her.
	But in all honesty, I don't think the spirit was frightening her to harm her.
	I think the spirit was trying to get her attention to get help for itself.
	What was it doing?
	Well, she'd had a lady in her bedroom for some time and she kept telling me about this lady in her bedroom, but she was confused because the lady looked Just like a character in a book at school.
	And so we were assuming it was just a bit of an imagination thing going on, you know.
	And I don't know why I questioned it really, knowing her abilities, but you know, we try to keep our feet on the ground here and try not to get muddled up between what's imagination and what's actually going on.
	And so I left it and I said, Well, you look, maybe it's just because you've been reading the scary book at school.
	It was part of the national curriculum.
	Anyway, time went on and this lady got more and more scary.
	She looked scary.
	She started to open and close doors in her room and was slamming them and making Faith frightened.
	And the closer actually that we got to Halloween, the energies changed, the activity ramped up.
	And in the end, I realized, oh my goodness, this isn't just your imagination.
	You definitely do have somebody in your room here.
	And it was, I can't remember, maybe a week before Halloween.
	Faith came running into the sitting room where I was and threw herself at me with her hands clamped on her ears, screaming at me to help her because this lady wouldn't leave her alone and was screaming a date at her.
	And as Faith came in the room, the energy in the room completely changed.
	And it was like something out of a movie.
	You know, it would be so easy to disbelieve it, but the lights were flickering and everything.
	It was really frightening for all of us.
	And I said to Faith, look, okay, can we talk to this lady?
	And of course, she's screaming, no, I don't want to talk to her.
	She's far too frightening.
	And I said, fine, I will talk to her.
	Why am I asking you to talk to her?
	I'll talk to her.
	And I just said to the lady, look, I recognize you're here.
	I presume you need help.
	Please, can you just step back?
	You're frightening the children and all of us now.
	And I turned to Faith and I said, look, is she listening to me?
	And she said, she's gone.
	And literally, the minute I'd offered this lady help and told her I would get her someone to help her, she stepped back and left us to it.
	So I don't think she ever meant any harm.
	She just used some scary techniques to really get the attention that she needed.
	And I do believe she was somebody that was stuck that needed to be moved on.
	So it's interesting, though, that the somebody who was stuck could understand that what she was doing or the way that she was doing what she was doing was not appropriate.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty, as I understand it from talking to others about this now, you know, it's quite common.
	These children have like a beacon of light.
	They do attract energies.
	And this lady was obviously drawn to face energy because she knew what she could do.
	And yeah, faith was the quickest way for this lady to get some help.
	But yes, the lady clearly knew what she was doing.
	She'd been in there, to be fair, a good three weeks or more without doing anything other than standing in the corner and looking terribly scary because she was diseased, this lady.
	So she actually looked pretty scary just to look at her.
	It was really her behavior only started to change towards Halloween, I think.
	And I don't know what this date was.
	It was significant to the lady, but that seemed to have something to do with why she was ramping up her energy and she wanted help.
	And would these characters who appear, would they be people who perhaps exited this world in your locality?
	Or would they be just randomly from anywhere, as far as you know?
	As far as I know, randomly from anywhere.
	They're just drawn to her light.
	And that's the same for a lot of these gifted children.
	You know, they're bright lights and they do attract them like a little lighthouse.
	So no, I don't think she was particularly local.
	And in all honesty, the reason I think this particular lady came to Faith is because I believe the lady had a similar energy about her to the character in the book.
	And so in many ways, because of Faith's abilities, a door opened that enabled this lady to get in.
	So I think there's a connection between the fact she looked like the lady in the book and the story that Faith was actually learning at school.
	I think they were just so similar in nature that that's how this happened.
	So, you know, one of the things I say to Faith is, look, scary movies is not the kind of thing to be watching when you have these abilities.
	You can potentially open a doorway that you didn't mean to.
	Boy, never thought about that.
	Has, I don't want to be flippant, but has Faith ever used these abilities to her benefit?
	Perhaps, I don't know, in school exams or some other context?
	Or, you know, we all have issues and problems at school, sometimes problems with other kids, problems with teachers, whatever it might be.
	No and yes.
	I mean, I would say she doesn't particularly use it the way that maybe we would, you know, to get lottery numbers or something.
	I don't think it even occurs to her.
	I also don't think her spirit guides would give her that kind of information because that's not the purpose to it.
	I do know that she, you know, she's even now, they're there.
	She sees them there.
	They talk to her.
	I've no doubt she talks back to them.
	But it isn't something that she particularly wants to share with me every day anymore, like the way she did when she was little.
	So I just leave her to it.
	But they are there.
	And I do know that she's more involved with them than perhaps we realize she is.
	But even though you have to, and she wants to keep it at arm's length now, it's almost like kids with mobile devices, isn't it?
	You have to have some degree of knowledge of what it is they're accessing.
	You know, whether it's a kid with access to the internet or whether it's a daughter that you believe has psychic abilities.
	Well, that would be lovely, but I don't really have any control over that.
	You know, it's very much her gift and it isn't something that I can really control.
	It is just something I can be here to support.
	And I do also talk to my own spirit guides.
	And I do believe that all of our spirit guides in this family are aware of what I'm happy with and what I'm not happy with.
	And they will use that, you know, to guide her appropriately.
	And I just have to trust in that.
	There's nothing more I can do other than trust that they're dealing with that.
	What about her interactions and your interactions with the world of education, with schools?
	Has this ever impacted in any way upon schooling?
	No, I'd say the only thing that maybe it challenges is her spiritual beliefs, because obviously at school, they're taught something very different about religion.
	And so she's still trying to get her head around how the God that they talk about at school fits in with the experiences she has with spirit people.
	And is she the sort of child who would put her hand up and say, that's not true?
	Not in a million years.
	She'd be the child at the back, completely quiet, watching and observing, and she would absolutely not say anything.
	And do her friends know that she's different?
	No, they do not, and she would not want them to.
	And did you encourage her to make it that way?
	No, when she was young, she tried to mention this to one of our neighbors, a little boy.
	She was still very young at the time, maybe, I don't know, maybe six or something like that.
	And he completely disbelieved her, as you can imagine.
	You know, she said, or great-granddad sat in the chair between us.
	And he said, Don't be silly.
	And she was really upset.
	You know, she actually burst into tears outside at the garden dinner table over this because she just was so upset he didn't believe her.
	And we had to have a little chat that evening and explain, look, you know, I don't think we can talk to people about this.
	And it's such a shame because it would be lovely if we could.
	You know, it would be lovely just to be ourselves and be open.
	And, you know, honesty is such an important quality for me to instill in the children.
	But how do you manage that with, you know, with the beliefs of other people and fitting into your community when so many wouldn't believe in?
	There's honesty and there's practicality, I guess.
	One thing that you say, this is a short paragraph from the book.
	Now, you say, as a parent, it's been difficult at times to know whether hiding the truth about the children's abilities from the friends, neighbors and teachers around us is the right thing to do or not.
	Honesty is such an important quality for me.
	So that speaks to what you've just said.
	Absolutely.
	And it is hard because we effectively live a bit of a double life, you know, in that these things go on within our home, but it's not something that we can talk to people about.
	So yeah, pretty much, I mean, there's very few people that don't know about this.
	Yeah, so it has been difficult.
	As I said earlier, you know, the few people we did try to mention it to dismissed it or weren't happy or comfortable talking about it.
	And we just learned it wasn't appropriate.
	We just didn't.
	We were very much on our own with this.
	Just briefly winding back to Faith's early years, there's a story, quite a charming one, about a nurse in the passenger seat of your car.
	Tell me that story.
	In actual fact, she came today.
	So interesting that you happen to have mentioned her.
	Yeah, she, well, there was one occasion, I think we were driving back from a children's party when the children were younger, and the most overwhelming smell of antiseptic cream just literally appeared in the car from nowhere.
	And, you know, I was smelling this smell thinking, where is that coming from?
	It's so powerful.
	And it crossed my mind at that point.
	I thought, hang on a minute.
	And I kind of looked in the mirror at Faith, who was sat in the back and said, you know, do you know where the smell's coming from?
	And she sort of just looked away as if to say, oh, no, here we go.
	And I persisted and I said, is there someone in the car with us?
	And she just looked at me and nodded and then looked away again.
	She really wasn't comfortable talking about it because I think to her, they're right there.
	She's talking about people as if they're not in the room when they're right there.
	And it's a bit embarrassing.
	And she's also very shy.
	So I said, well, you know, could you tell me who it is?
	And eventually she said, it's coming from the nurse.
	And I said, what nurse?
	And she said, there's a nurse sat in the seat next to you.
	And I said, well, how do you know she's a nurse?
	And she described what she was wearing.
	But she said she had a green cross on her, which completely threw me.
	I don't know why the cross on this lady was green.
	I don't know.
	Is that wartime?
	Was that what nurses had in wartime?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure.
	But what she said to me, I said, well, you know, why is she here?
	And she said, she's a friend of yours.
	And we basically learned that this lady's name was Madeline.
	And she said, I called her Maddie.
	And she said, she is a nurse.
	She said, and you were nurses together in the war.
	And then she said to me, you work together on the front line.
	And I was like, how on earth does my daughter of this age know what the front line is?
	You know, it was just extraordinary.
	So yeah, apparently this lady was a friend of mine and we were nurses together on the front line and she still visits me.
	And the way that she lets me know she's here is by a very strong smell of antiseptic, which is, yeah, interesting.
	She came today and she doesn't come often anymore, actually.
	Like literally month to month, she doesn't come that frequently.
	So for her to come today, yeah, she must have known you were going to mention this.
	Wow.
	And, you know, I did a speed read on the book, so I hadn't read all the detail of that story.
	I just kind of got the bare bones of it.
	I didn't realize the full strength of it.
	So this is very much to do with you.
	And your daughter is being used as a conduit to reach you?
	I don't know.
	I think my daughter's been given these gifts because one day she's going to use them.
	And I think, you know, the fact that I've been told about these gifts has given me an opportunity to learn about the spirit world in order to help her.
	And certainly in learning about what she's going through, my own gifts have opened up.
	My son's gifts are there as well.
	So I don't so much think it's about me.
	I think all of us have our gifts.
	And I think it was just really her that was the one with such strength to her gifts that was so extraordinary and so powerful that she's the one that stands out, which is why I've written this predominantly about faith.
	But I don't so much think it is about me.
	No, I think it's just about all children.
	I do believe there are lots of these children coming through, lots of them being born with these abilities.
	And it's really interesting, actually, because many, many, many years ago, one of those visits to a psychic medium that my mum had was with Sally Morgan, who you may have heard of.
	Yes, famous British for my listeners in America, other places, very, very well known on television here.
	Yeah, and Sally Morgan told my mum years ago, you know, way before I had children, that one day I would write a book.
	And, you know, I laughed when she told me and I thought this book would probably be about homeopathy in my latter years.
	I thought, well, you know, what would this book be about?
	It must be about homeopathy.
	But I couldn't for the life of me think what I would have to write about that would be so interesting to anyone on a homeopathy level.
	And it was really sat at the foot of Faith's bed one evening after having conversations with Spirit when she was younger.
	And I sat there and I just said out loud to myself and Faith in the room, I said, wow, I said, this stuff is so incredible.
	I said, we should write a book.
	And then the penny dropped.
	And I was like, oh my goodness, this is the book.
	This is what we're supposed to be writing about.
	So actually, that's where it came from was way back being told apparently one day I'd write a book.
	And then I realized how interesting this would be to people and how helpful this could be to other families.
	And it's not just actually children with these gifts that I wanted to help.
	It's there are so many people in the world grieving.
	So many people have lost their loved ones and they have difficulty understanding they go on.
	And I really want Raising Faith to just be something someone can read to really understand how their loved ones can still get in touch with them.
	You know, it might be smell.
	Certainly my grandmother used to hear rattling of teacups after my granddad died and he'd always been The one to make her tea in the evening.
	So, little details like that that your loved ones can use to come through.
	And I just really want to get the message out there to people that life does go on.
	You've written this book now.
	And how old is Faith now?
	Did you say 13 now?
	She is 14.
	14 now.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	14 and 12.
	What happens if she decides when she gets to 20 that she wants to be a biochemist or an astronaut and doesn't want any part of this?
	Well, the cat is out of the bag now, isn't it?
	Because you've put the story out there.
	Yes and no.
	I've put the story out there in circles where people are interested in this topic.
	It isn't something I've put out there in our local community.
	at the moment, you know, we're still fortunate that people that we live around don't know about this book.
	I'm not saying they all listen to mine, but some do.
	What are you going to do if somebody within your circle or somebody who lives near you or somebody who has no inkling of any of this, but knows you and knows your voice picks up on this?
	The cat really is out of the bag, isn't it?
	It is.
	But you know, honestly, Howard, I just trust that, A, we're looked after.
	And if it comes out, it's because it's meant to be.
	And we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
	You know, she's a very wise girl.
	No, she wouldn't want this to come out.
	She really wouldn't.
	And I will do what I can to help with that.
	But I just feel we were supposed to do this.
	I feel like I'm doing this because I was supposed to.
	And I just trust that it'll get to the people it needs to get to.
	And hopefully it won't get to the ones that, you know, take offense at this topic.
	So yeah, I just have to go forward with that in mind.
	And we cross that bridge as and when we come to it, really.
	And if she wants to be a biochemist, it's completely up to her.
	You know, one of the things I do say in the book is this is her gift, not mine.
	You know, I do have some abilities now, but she is the one with the most incredible gifts.
	And it really is down to her.
	I just try to leave her to it and respect the fact that she's a teenage girl and she just needs to get on with living this life in this world.
	And if one day she comes back to this wonderful, and if she doesn't, she doesn't.
	But I do believe things happen for a reason and she's been given these abilities for a reason.
	And only time will tell what she goes on to choose to do with them, if anything.
	If she'd said to you before you wrote and published this, I don't want you doing that, would you have stopped it?
	Yeah, I think for sure.
	I would.
	I mean, even now, you know, we talk about it all the time.
	She's very much involved in my decisions.
	This is very much about her and me trying to protect her at the same time as helping other people.
	So, yeah, if she really didn't want it out there, then I wouldn't.
	So I'm inferring from, you've said it a number of times, me trying to protect her, you've taken steps to preserve her identity, her anonymity.
	Yeah, I have taken steps to do that.
	And like I said, the photographs we use are ones from when she was much younger.
	Yeah, so there are things we've done to try and help look after her as best as we can while still getting this message out there.
	And still, you know, still, the story needs to have the integrity.
	The messages need to have the integrity that are real to help people.
	You also have a son, two years younger, who you believe has similar abilities.
	How does that work then?
	Do the two of them collude, cooperate?
	No, not at all.
	They're quite different abilities.
	So Tom is very sensitive, intuitive, and empathic.
	So he can pick up on emotions in a millisecond.
	He's just a very sensitive boy.
	He can see them, but he sees them less often.
	He feels them.
	So just the other day, he came out of his bedroom saying, Mum, there's something not right in my room.
	He was quite frightened.
	It was bedtime.
	I was trying to get him into bed.
	No, he said, there's someone in my room and it doesn't feel right.
	And I said, okay, well, you know, we'll ask Faith to come and help us.
	So in we go.
	Faith goes in.
	She comes out and she says, I can see why you're worried, Tom.
	She said, I've never seen this before.
	But she said, you have wall-to-wall people stood around your room.
	She said, in fact, there are so many of them.
	Yeah, she said, in fact, there's so many of them.
	I can't actually see the individuals.
	I can just see a mass around your room.
	But she said, it's okay.
	She said, your spirit guides are there.
	They're moving them on.
	They're all leaving via the window.
	They're exiting out the window.
	They don't mean any harm.
	And I said, you know, what are they here for?
	Can you tell us a bit more?
	And she just said, I can't know.
	There's things I'm not allowed to know, which I find very difficult.
	How do you allow your teenage child to know something that you don't know when you're the parent?
	But she said, no, she said, they won't tell us.
	We're not allowed to know, but they're not here to hurt us and they're being moved on.
	It's rather like having a prodigy in the family, isn't it?
	Because there are things that they know that you don't.
	It is weird.
	And, you know, I do what I can to help, to manage, to support.
	But at the end of the day, like I said, she's the one with the abilities, not me.
	And I have to have faith that she has spirit guides who are there supporting her and helping her with this because I'm not the one that can see what she's seeing and experience what she's experiencing.
	We haven't talked much about your son, but there is a story about Bobby, his older brother in another life.
	Yeah, well, we were sat around the dinner table once and one of the gifts that I have now is the gift of touch.
	So spirit can touch me and this spirit was tapping me on the head and it actually really hurt.
	It was like a little hammer on my head.
	And in the end, I thought I lost patience and I said, okay, I said, there's somebody here.
	Please, can you tell me who it is?
	I have no idea who this is.
	It's someone new.
	And Faith just looked up and she sort of her eyes scanned the room and then her eyes settled on a point between myself and Tom.
	And she looked quite surprised.
	She said, oh, she said, there's a little sailor boy stood next to you.
	Okay, it's dinner time and we have a sailor boy next to me.
	And she just said, oh, he's just in a sailor outfit.
	And I said, well, who is he and what does he want?
	And she said, oh, he says he's Tom's older brother and that Tom's being bullied and she wants you to help Tom.
	Yeah, so he came through with that message, which did make some sense to us.
	And then she described that, I said, what do you mean he's Tom's older brother?
	And she says, oh, he and Tom were sailor boys together a long time ago.
	She said, on a ship, but they drowned on the ship, you know, at which point an eight-year-old Tom leaps into my lap, absolutely terrified.
	Another one of those moments where I think, oh my goodness, is this appropriate?
	You know.
	But it's interesting because actually Tom does have a fear of, he does swim, but he does have a fear of deep water and drowning.
	So it's an interesting connection.
	But yeah.
	How do you see the future then for all of you?
	I guess you know, for us, life is predominantly normal most of the time.
	We just have these extraordinary moments dropped into our world, and you know, I see our future as normal as anyone else's, but I do hope that one day perhaps we can use our gifts to help other people.
	So, I guess the children will just grow up doing whatever it is they want to do, whatever it is that brings them joy.
	Hopefully, the career that they choose will be one they're meant to do to help other people, hopefully.
	And I guess these abilities fall into that somewhere, but you know, only time will tell.
	I really have no idea what the future holds for them.
	I just, you know, I assume that that's why they've been given these gifts.
	Is there something they're going to do with them one day?
	I mean, you have to accept that there are some people, and we know their stories, read their stories, who have or believe they have these gifts, but actually regard them as not a blessing, but a curse.
	Yeah, I don't share that sentiment anymore.
	You know, in the early days, as I said, I was frightened, but I do think this is a blessing.
	I think, you know, the gift of psychic mediumship, if you find a good psychic medium who can validate they definitely have your loved one with them by giving you some kind of evidence that nobody else would have known about, they can then give you a message.
	What an extraordinary thing to be able to do to comfort someone who's lost a loved one, you know, what an amazing thing to be able to connect between that world and this world and give you a message that really helps you move forward in your life, that, you know, that helps you understand you're not alone, they are still with you.
	I think it's a lovely blessing if used appropriately and with integrity.
	But it is a massive responsibility, you know, it is something that has to be used with integrity.
	You know, you could be given information that may not be appropriate to share with someone.
	So you're going to have to use your judgment here on what you can and can't share with them.
	So a big level of responsibility comes with this for sure.
	You've written a book.
	We're talking about it.
	If it is picked up more widely by the media and you are required or asked if you would do more, you would do interviews with bigger outlets, maybe.
	Now, the media has rules about safe, quite rightly, safeguarding children and all that sort of thing.
	And there are many hoops to jump through.
	But how much bigger would you want this to get?
	I don't, well, I haven't really got a number on that or a, you know, I don't really know the answer to that, to be honest, Howard.
	I very much trust that I'm putting this out there to reach the people that need my help.
	And it gets as big as it needs to get for me to help them.
	But absolutely, my daughter's privacy is at the forefront of my mind.
	And that is a big priority.
	So I guess it's just a balance we're going to have to come to.
	But we're going to have to talk about that one together and agree what is and isn't appropriate for us to pursue on that.
	And I think maybe, to some extent, this will be an amazing story to tell again and amplify, maybe in 10 years.
	Yes, because at the moment we're going through teenage years and, you know, and that does bring with it some additional complications, as it does to most families.
	A lot of angst.
	A lot of angst.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, not only has Faith got to deal with teenage stuff and hormones and being in an enormous school, but also having this gift right there by her side every day.
	You know, that's a huge responsibility for her.
	And like I said, she largely manages that on her own without me.
	So there will definitely be some advice I'm sure that we can share with people about these difficult years in years to come.
	To me, you don't sound in any measure at all a pushy parent.
	But I'm thinking there may be some people who might accuse you of that.
	I'm sure.
	I mean, there's going to be people that accuse of all sorts of things.
	But, you know, I know what my intentions are.
	I believe the book is there to help people.
	And I just, like I said, I just trust really it gets to the right people that do need it, that need this advice.
	And no, I mean, I'm a very protective parent.
	I do my very best to support her whilst at the same time trying to share the experiences we've had.
	So it's a difficult balance.
	And I think it's one that we're just going to have to continue to balance as the years go by.
	And who knows if there's a right or a wrong?
	You know, I think it's just a matter of figuring our way through it as the years go by.
	I guess you're right about that.
	You're just going to have to feel your way through this.
	Without circumventing or breaching anybody's privacy, and by all means, don't do this if you don't want to.
	Can you think of one really heartwarming, useful story connected with these abilities that you would like to share?
	One heartwarming story.
	Yes.
	It's the heartwarming, but okay, one I'm trying to rack my brains through all the different visitors we've had over the years.
	Well, I don't know if this is heartwarming enough, but the one springing to mind is actually when my granddad came through.
	And my nan was still here in the living world.
	And we were on our way to my nan's house.
	And I was talking to Faith, who was very little at this point, because granddad had only just died.
	So she would have been four or five.
	And I mentioned to her that it would be lovely if Great Nan would, you know, could know about our secret.
	You know, is that okay to share it with her?
	And she agreed it was okay.
	So we mentioned it to Great Nan and she was just delighted.
	You know, my nan lived for my granddad and she'd been on her own now for, I don't know, maybe the best part of a year.
	And she was grieving for him.
	And Faith was able to tell her so many different things about great granddad and how he visits her all the time and the fact that he just walked in the room and he was sat in the chair behind her.
	And to my nan, it meant everything because my nan had already heard the teacups in the evening.
	So she completely believed Faith anyway.
	So there wasn't that question of, you know, of doubt.
	But it really helped her.
	It just really helped her comfort her at a time when she really needed it.
	Well, I think that's pretty heartwarming, to tell you the truth.
	And you didn't have to search very far for that story, did you?
	No, that's a good one.
	So you have to keep all things in balance then going forward, don't you?
	Totally.
	Yeah, totally.
	It is about balance.
	It's about balancing our privacy with the ability to help other people, with the experiences we have.
	And, you know, I do believe things that happen to us happen for a reason.
	It's part of our learning and it's an opportunity to help Others, and yeah, that's what I would really love to do going forwards: is to help other families like my own to help them through the process of dealing with their own gifts.
	You know, there will be, as I said, lots of these children.
	Some of them will have more difficult experiences than we've had.
	Some of them will have visitors, maybe they don't know how to handle them and what to do with them.
	And as I said, we now have 10 years' experience in this, so it would be wonderful to be able to help other people with this.
	I mean, that's the worry about some of these things.
	They do say that, but they're different circumstances, that things like poltergeists attract themselves to young people with energy.
	Now, that's not the case in your case, because your children have what sounds like a very, very nice, what we would call here, I think, middle-class life.
	But sometimes poltergeist activity, if a child is troubled in some ways, will attach itself to them.
	So there's always a downside to these things.
	There is, and I do think that side of things is absolutely, you can't ignore that side of things.
	It does exist as much as I wish it hadn't, you know, didn't exist.
	It does.
	And so that's part of what I want to try and do is to help families understand how to manage the good stuff and the bad stuff.
	I've been doing some interviews with some healers, and there'll be some videos going on my website soon with some advice on those dark energies and what to do to help yourself with them.
	What do I say at the end of this?
	I think I can only say good luck.
	It's been a fascinating story.
	I think we asked the questions and thank you for letting me ask them that had to be asked about this.
	If people want to read about you, then you said you had a website.
	What is it?
	Yeah, so the website is raisingfaith.co.uk and there is also a Facebook page which is Raising Faith Book.
	So if anybody's interested or would like any help, just get in contact via either of those methods.
	And there'll be lots of information being added shortly onto the website to help people.
	Lots of videos with other healers and other psychic mediums who've all raised their own psychic children.
	So I'm hoping that by sharing lots of stories, we can inspire each other really and share information just to give people an idea that they're not alone.
	Claire Waters, thank you for sharing your story.
	Pleasure.
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