The Unexplained - Howard Hughes - Edition 384 - Julian Creme/Felicity Eliot

Feb. 23, 2019 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 384 - Julian Creme/Felicity Eliot

Benjamin Creme believed an enlightened "master" with the power to save Earth is here - Creme's son Julian is carrying on his work...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Return of the Unexplained.
	Nice to have you there as we cruise towards the dawning of spring here in the Northern Hemisphere, and I'm, as you know, looking forward to that.
	No weather report this time.
	Just in case you don't like the weather reports, we're not going to do one, but I'm just glad that eventually, within weeks, we're going to be in brighter conditions, and maybe we've got away with some of the colder stuff this year in London, which I'm very pleased about.
	Now, this show is going to be, I think, a controversial one.
	And I want you to please engage your critical faculties when you hear what you're about to hear.
	In fact, this was a topic that I was not going to do.
	And I've thought about it a couple of times.
	And I thought, yeah, as long as I put the people I'm about to speak with under fairly strong scrutiny, so I must make no apologies for that.
	You have to decide whether you think there's anything in it, and you have to use your critical faculties when you do, which is what I'm going to be doing.
	And I know that my audience for this show is unique because that's exactly how you feel about things.
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	But everything else seems to be hunky-dory now, which is very good news, don't you think?
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	And thank you very much to Adam Cornwell for his continuing work on the brand new site and getting this show out to you.
	More great guests coming up in the pipeline through this year as we get into the spring and into the summer and as this year proceeds.
	Okay, now what we're going to do is talk to an organization here, a couple of people representing an organization, who say that somebody who perhaps has our salvation in his hands is already living amongst us.
	Now, as soon as I read that and heard that, I thought, I'm not going anywhere near that.
	And I got a few more emails from these people and thought, okay, I'm going to do this.
	But we have to bear in mind that there are other organizations out there that have been accused of being cults or nearly cults.
	And I certainly don't want to go near anything like that.
	This, I am assured, is something different.
	We will see when we speak to two people on this show about all of this, Julian and Felicity, who we're about to speak with, about the emergence amongst us of the Mitrea.
	I hope I've pronounced that properly.
	This is somebody who apparently is living amongst us in the UK quietly, who holds, I don't know whether I want to call it our salvation, but holds our future, perhaps, in his hands.
	There are a million questions that would arise from that, and I certainly hope to be asking some of them within this next hour here on The Unexplained.
	So let's get to Julian and Felicity now.
	They're in Amsterdam and speak with them about the Mitrea and the share organization.
	What is this?
	Felicity and Julian, thank you for coming on.
	Hello, Howard.
	Thank you for having us.
	I have to say that I introduced you in the little preamble that I give my listener.
	I introduced you as Felicity and Julian.
	So that's your full names, Felicity Elliott and Julian Cream.
	Two very English names, two very English voices.
	Why are you both in Amsterdam, in Holland?
	Well, we used to live in London, and we've lived here for over 30 years.
	We came because I was offered a job, and it seemed like a good idea at the time.
	And we're still here.
	I'm not implying that you're tax exiles or anything.
	I was just interested to know.
	No, then we'd be somewhere warmer.
	Absolutely.
	Now, look, I was emailed by one of your friends.
	I think it's your publicity person about this.
	And as you will know, because of some questions that I asked you before we started to do this, I was, because I have to be, it's the training in the BBC and various other organizations incredibly cautious about all of this because the first thought that I had was that this, but then I am a suspicious person, was that this is some kind of cult activity which I cannot be promoting.
	And you assure me that this is nothing could be further from that than what you do.
	Absolutely.
	We are not a cult.
	In fact, we're just people who have some information and our job as we see it is to make it known.
	So we publish magazines and books and so on.
	And very fortunately, we don't have to try to convert anyone to anything.
	This is simply information.
	And we always start all our lectures and everything we do by saying, you know, it's up to you.
	If it resonates with you, fine.
	If it doesn't, well, wait and see.
	And if we're right, things will turn out and prove themselves to you.
	If not, well, you've heard some interesting information, which might make you sort of think twice about how you look at your life.
	Well, I have to say, Felicity, that sounds all very British and very reasonable to me.
	I think we're going to explore this, though, in a little more depth, which we have to do.
	Now, on the show that I do, and anybody who deals with journalistic matters, you periodically and more as the years have gone by for me, you get stories of people, and there are some around at the moment, that predict specific dates for the end of the world and the collapse of mankind unless mankind changes its ways.
	Is that how you're approaching things?
	Not at all.
	We're not predicting the end of the world.
	On the contrary, we're saying that there will be very Soon, a great awakening of mankind and a building of a new, unbelievably wonderful civilization.
	Of course, this doesn't just happen by itself.
	There are factors which stimulate this.
	Our job as we see it, as Felicity just said, is to present certain information.
	That information is about the presence in the world now of the one who holds the office of world teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya.
	And he is one of a group called the Masters, or the Masters of Wisdom.
	They have various names as a group.
	But to explain who the Masters are, we really need to start by explaining the talking about the constitution of man.
	And when I say man, I mean woman also, of course.
	Okay, before we go there, Julian and Felicity, there are many people in this world who say that they have decoded messengers from alien beings, from other planets, from religious figures, who say that there is some kind of major change coming.
	There is often a lot of doubt cast upon the things that they say, mainly because the change doesn't come the more we wait for it.
	Why is this any different?
	You know, Julian was mentioning a brave new world, as it were, a great, wonderful new civilization, but I'd like to point out that this really is to do with practical changes in the world.
	So we need to change our political systems, the way we deal with the climate and how to preserve our planet.
	And it's to do with looking at new economic systems, etc.
	And why is the change not happening and why do people probably scoff at the sort of people you've just mentioned is because actually I think it's presented in an unrealistic way and what we're talking about is really the need for all of us to get busy and make the changes we see as being absolutely essential.
	And I think you're beginning to see it in, look at the wonderful young people and particularly women who've come into American politics just lately and who are talking about very common sense things like changing the, you know, making tax reform and so on.
	So our look at things is very much based on bringing together what you would call, let's say, the spiritual and the political or the spiritual and the everyday things that need to be changed.
	Okay, and how long have you personally known this information?
	You're asking me personally?
	You personally.
	Right.
	Well, I first heard about this.
	I was always interested in all sorts of ideas and I looked into politics and I looked into religion and I looked into philosophy and various ways of looking at life and nothing really brought everything together until I started doing a particular line of reading which was basically, I can say very broadly, the Ageless Wisdom Teachings.
	And then I attended a lecture by Benjamin Creme more than 40 years ago and that was in London.
	And it seemed to me that this approach brings everything together and people will recognize some of what we're saying if they know the theosophical teachings or the teachings through the Lucas Trust, Alice Bailey and so on, or even the sort of Krishnamurti sort of approach, although that's somewhat different.
	Okay, now we have a technical issue here, Felicity, and we did discuss this before we started recording.
	There is a buzz on your recording apparatus, your particular microphone.
	So our fallback plan was, and our listener doesn't know this, but will know this now, was that Julian should do the talking for a while on the one microphone that works, and then I'll come to you separately.
	I think it's the only way that we can do this because there is a buzz in the background, and I can't work out quite where that was, and it will be a shame to abandon this.
	So Julian, I'm going to talk to you for a bit.
	Then I'm going to go across to Felicity to talk some more.
	The microphone between us.
	Oh, that's great.
	If you can share this microphone, then I think we'll be getting somewhere.
	So there is a group of teachers out there, and there is a set of writings that they have produced.
	And then there is this man called Benjamin Cream, who I've been reading about.
	Who is he?
	What's he about?
	Well, he was my father.
	And by the way, we say Creme, but that's a small point.
	He was in touch with one of the masters.
	He had a moment-to-moment telepathic contact with one of the masters.
	And in that way, he was able to receive up-to-date information about the process of telepathic
	The masters of the time used to, many hundreds of, nearly two, nearly 100,000 years ago, used to live out in the world.
	And at a certain point they withdrew and since then have lived mainly in the remote desert and mountain areas of the world, except for one or two known exceptions.
	And from time to time, they have sent one of their number out into the world as a teacher.
	Okay, so we are saying that there is a group of people or beings or spirits or what who have superior knowledge.
	They live in some kind of isolation and periodically they depute one of their number to come and move amongst us.
	Yes, you could put it like that.
	These, as I was about to explain, the masters are actually ordinary human beings who Have been through the whole of the strictly human phase of evolution.
	All of us are on a path to that same point.
	And if I can go back to the constitution of man, we're familiar with the person we see in the mirror, the man or woman standing in front of us, with its physical, emotional, mental equipment.
	But this is only really a vehicle for a higher aspect, which you could call the higher self, the true self, or the soul.
	And the soul takes incarnation again and again and again, gradually perfecting its vehicle so that the vehicle, the personality, we can call it, becomes a perfect expression of the quality of the soul.
	And the soul itself is a vehicle for a yet higher aspect, which you could call the spirit, or monad, or the spark of God, the divine spark which each of us, every single human being, is, in reality is.
	And once the soul and the personality have become totally integrated, there's a higher integration between the spirit, the monad, and the now soul-infused personality.
	Now, when that integration is complete, you become a master.
	That is what makes a master, that complete integration.
	And here comes dumb journalist question then.
	How did these masters get to be so smart when the rest of us perhaps have the potential to be as clever as they are, but don't actually exercise it?
	Well, one possibility is they started ahead of us.
	We didn't all start at the same time.
	Some of us started on this journey much later than those who are now masters.
	And another factor is that they tended probably not to make so many mistakes as most of us do.
	And these masters, do they all live together in Tibet or somewhere?
	No.
	They're all in telepathic communication with each other, of course.
	But they live, some of them no doubt, do live, you might find more than one in one location, but generally not.
	Those who live in physical bodies, and there are quite a number of those, live in different parts in Tibet, or there's one in England, there's one in various parts of the world, in major cities now.
	So they have been quietly, is what you're saying, that over decades they've been quietly seeding our major cities, including London, with representatives of their own for some future purpose.
	Have I got that right?
	Yes.
	Earlier in the 20th century, Maitreya, who's the master of all the masters, announced that he would be emerging himself.
	And a certain number of the masters would be coming with him.
	And over the last 40 years, certain masters have come into certain major cities in the world.
	New York, London, Geneva, Dajiling, Tokyo, and various other cities, one in Moscow, one in Rome.
	And what are they doing?
	Are they watching?
	Are they waiting?
	May I come in here?
	Yes, Felicity.
	Yes.
	I was just listening to Julian, and I'm wondering how the listener is trying to visualize what a master is like.
	You know, they're very, very practical.
	And you know the old idea of, well, what would you do if you were God?
	Or what would you like Jesus to do if he came back now, if he were here now?
	And of course, I'm saying this because I'd like to emphasize the fact that the masters are extraordinarily practical people and have advice for all of us, humanity, if we wish to listen to it.
	Well, I kind of have this, not to trivialize it, Felicity, I have this kind of image of a Morgan Freeman character.
	Yes, I can imagine.
	That's sort of why I'm coming back to it, though.
	The Masters have always worked, even when they were sort of behind the scenes, they've always worked through people in the world.
	So in every field, science, medicine, maths, art, music, education, through the labor movement, through the Red Cross and so on, the Masters have always worked through what we call disciples, simply people who are somewhat more able to be open to contact.
	And they've always put their ideas into the world through these people so that we continue to make some sort of evolution as humanity as a whole.
	And for example, one of the first things that Maitreya did when he came into the into a sort of into more modern world, I'd say, which was London, he impressed and also got in contact with Willy Brundt, the then Chancellor of Germany.
	So we're talking 1970s here.
	Yes, exactly.
	Late 70s, early 80s.
	And actually putting forward the idea of the Brundt Commission, which of the ideas which are incorporated into the Brundt Commission report, which was a very basic and simple solution to problems that we're still struggling with.
	And just recently, I know that you'll know this, there were statistics that Came out just recently from Oxfam, and it was stated that 26 of the world's richest people, 26 people, have as much wealth as the poorest 50% of the world's population.
	Now, that's extraordinary, and the Brunt Commission had a solution, and it was basically very practical, just going on a basis of, let's say, humanitarian but still self-interest.
	How about thinking about the redistribution of the world's resources?
	Okay, but as you might know, I think is it in Finland they had an experiment recently to pay a lot of people a basic wage, everybody, whatever they do, whoever they are, and to make things more equitable.
	And that experiment, from what I understand, has failed.
	Well, it's in part, but also on the other hand, there is something, for example, in Alaska.
	Now, it's a very small amount of money.
	But, for example, there's something called the Alaska model.
	And because of their natural resources, every single citizen of Alaska is given a very small dividend.
	And, of course, the Americans with their way of looking at capitalism and money and wealth and earning and so on prefer to see it as a dividend rather than universal basic income, which makes some people feel as if people are being scroungers and being lazy and so on.
	But it also has been proved that if you do give people the wherewithal, it does tend to help them develop their own startups, to become more creative and so on.
	So I think there's a lot to be said for universal basic income.
	There is, but unfortunately, by the looks of it, we're not going to get anything like that because these experiments tend to be introduced and they tend to fail.
	And that's because a lot of people claim, and I'm not taking a sider review on it, that it stifles entrepreneurial ability, I think is one of the reasons why these things are not.
	But you're saying, and I don't want to lose this point, that the master of masters, the Matria, back in the 1970s, early 80s, got in touch with Willy Brandt, who was in charge of Germany then, and encouraged him to look at these things, and that's why he incorporated that into the Brandt Commission report, which I do dimly remember.
	Is that what we're saying?
	That's exactly what we're saying.
	And how did that contact happen, Felicity?
	Did the Maitreya phone Villy Brandt up or what?
	I'm just trying to remember what Maitreya, and that's his personal name, I'm just trying to remember whether he actually had contact with Villy Brandt.
	Villy Brandt was a fairly evolved, as you can imagine, person.
	So he himself was very open to, let's say, the impress of what we would call his own soul, as Julian just described, you know, something higher.
	You can call it intuition.
	You can call it a sense of a broader identification with the whole of humanity and seeking the better and the higher for humanity.
	And I'm not sure if Maitreya actually approached him.
	I'm sorry, I don't have that fact in my head at the moment.
	But certainly he, what we call impressed him.
	In other words, put the idea somewhere in his consciousness, as it were, or near him.
	And of course, Willy Brunt was very ready, being the sort of person he was, of caliber he was, was able to pick up that idea and take it forward.
	Now, that's happened with many people and many politicians and also people within science and so on who've been given idea.
	You know, it's not surprising that you have what we see as coincidence, that you see two scientists working one on one side of the world, one on the other, and yet they start coming up with the same sort of solutions, looking at the same sort of problems at the same time.
	And why is this?
	It's because the masters, I'm sorry, I'm going to use some jargon here, but often what they do is put ideas out there, as it were.
	They put ideas into what we call the mind belt.
	In other words, they make the ideas available to us mentally.
	And the more intuitive people pick these up and start looking for solutions.
	What is to stop me then identifying some field of technological advance and saying that it was my idea first?
	Nothing at all.
	Well, then, how are we to believe then that the Maitreya is behind good ideas?
	You see, Howard, they never claim these things for themselves because that's not what it's about, is it?
	It's really about trying to move humanity forward and trying to get us past certain possibilities.
	So I'm starting to get it.
	You're saying that there is a group of masters who mostly are incognito, but some of them are moving among us and are a little less incognito.
	And they have our best interests at heart because they can see we're ruining the place.
	A lot of people would have no disagreement with that, probably including me, and are quietly trying to point us in the right direction and have been for a number of decades.
	Yes, because free will is so absolutely sacrosanct.
	And so I'm afraid humanity has the free will to make a complete mess of it, as you just said.
	If it is also cloak and dagger, then, without the dagger, if it's also cloak, there will constantly be people saying this is all nonsense.
	I don't believe any of this.
	And they won't get anywhere.
	If they were to reveal themselves, and in particular, the master, the overall Maitreya, the head honcho, if you pardon the expression, wouldn't it be better if they revealed themselves and said, okay, I'm calling a news conference.
	This is what I am.
	This is what I can do.
	This is what you're doing to your world.
	This is what you need to do to fix it.
	I think a lot of us would, you know, if there was somebody in the world like that who had great ideas to fix all the problems we've got, this is what we need.
	Absolutely.
	People would flock to him.
	So why is it not happening then?
	Well, first of all, as Felicity just said, humanity has free will.
	Humanity's free will may not, by law, be infringed.
	The Masters never infringed humanity's free will.
	Another important factor is that each of us, every single person, must have the opportunity to respond to Maitreya's ideas, what he is advocating,
	which is the sharing of the world's resources, establishment of justice and peace, and a number of other things, to respond to these ideas, to what he is saying, because they want what he is advocating.
	They want for the world what he is advocating, and not simply respond to him because they think he's the world teacher.
	That's why he is working incognito for the time being.
	Of course, there will be people of a religious persuasion listening to this, whichever religious persuasion they may happen to be from, who will say, we have our own savior, we have our own teacher, and you are speaking gross blasphemy, they may say.
	I'm sure to the devout religious people of all faiths, to some of them, this will seem like blasphemy.
	All I can say is, well, wait and see.
	You will see that Maitreya and the Masters are full of love and with the humanity's best interest at heart.
	You talk both of you like people who've had something revealed to you in a way that nothing has been revealed to me.
	How can you be so certain of all of this?
	You must have had some kind of personal revelation other than, or maybe it is just belief.
	Well, I would say it isn't belief in my own case.
	I'm sure the same is true for Felicity and for actually all our volunteers around the world who are involved in this work.
	And of course, your father, we mustn't forget, was the linchpin of all of this from what you said.
	And I didn't let you tell the full story.
	I mean, he is the man who made the first contact.
	I think we need to talk about how that happened.
	And you are uniquely placed, aren't you, to know?
	Yeah.
	Perhaps I can come to that in a moment.
	Sorry, where were we?
	Well, you were talking about the various people who are volunteers all over the world.
	Yes.
	And the people who are bringing this message out of the world.
	Personal experience.
	In my own case, I've had certain experiences which I won't describe because it's my experience, but nobody else's.
	It won't convince other people.
	Okay, but I think just evidentially and in terms of proof, because some of my listeners are a sceptical lot, and I understand why they are.
	They would want to know at least one experience that has shed the light on things for you.
	May I come in here while he's thinking?
	Please do, Celeste.
	Yes, please do.
	You know, I just wanted to say when you said skeptical, I thought that rings such a bell for me too, because when I first came across this information, I thought, aha, it seems absolutely real to me.
	It sort of rings the bell of truth for me intuitively.
	But then I said to myself, well, look, it's got to meet my highest, most critical intellectual criteria.
	Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.
	And why would I waste my time with it?
	So I said to myself, right, well, I'm going to sort of investigate these people, Benjamin Creme, Julian Creme, and other people who were working at the time.
	And I said, I'm going to investigate, keep my eye on them, see if there's anything funny going on.
	Is there anything like making money?
	Is there some sort of scandal to be uncovered?
	Well, we have to be careful, don't we?
	And I'm sorry to interrupt because the world, unfortunately, it's part of the human condition.
	Over the decades has been replete with fake gurus, people who set themselves up as cult leaders, charismatic leaders, and all the rest of it.
	And so you've got to try and cut your way through all of that, haven't you?
	Exactly.
	And so, you know, you can see where I'm coming from.
	So I had a very sort of sceptical approach, although intuitively felt that this was absolutely right.
	But then as time goes by, you amass gradually, sort of incrementally, various experiences which gradually start forming a full picture.
	And for example, Benjamin Creme was in touch with, as you know, with his master telepathically.
	And yet, for example, we could, and we know of many experiences and our magazine, Cher International, and Benjamin Crem's books published by Cher International as well.
	These are full of, for example, I'm the editor of Cher International magazine and I receive weekly letters from people all over the world who've had various experiences of healing, of being rescued, of psychological help, of comfort.
	Can you think of one off the top of your head now that might interest my listener?
	Yes, I'm just trying to think of one.
	For example, I was just listening today to someone recounting something that had happened.
	People were driving through a very—it was— I think this was in probably Germany or Switzerland.
	I'm not sure anymore.
	And it was dark, various, all sorts of dangers, and the car skidded and went off almost off the road.
	But just at the last minute, it was sort of somehow managed to be somehow stopped without any object there to stop it.
	And now people write in and say, look, this has happened to me.
	There were many stories which reached the media throughout these years.
	Stories have reached the media.
	For example, there was a case, and it started, I remember, in this country, Holland, as well as in New Zealand, someone standing hitching a ride.
	He gets into the car, he talks to them about something, perhaps something that's pertinent to the people themselves, and they turn around at some point and they haven't stopped the car yet, but he's disappeared.
	And those actually made the media.
	And of course, Maitreya was actually seen in Nairobi in Kenya in the 1980s and was filmed.
	And the Kenya Times had a story about it.
	He appeared at a healing and sort of prayer meeting, and people thought that he was Jesus returned.
	Many people were healed.
	I think the story even reached the CNN at the time.
	Okay, but you're saying that he is in London right now.
	That's his base, his center of operations, you might call it.
	And when I was first approached by your colleague and friend to do this, and I was very skeptical because I have to be, my first question was, why, I'm in London too.
	I'll get on the bus, I'll get on the underground, and I'll go and meet him.
	And I was told that wasn't possible.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't know if that wouldn't be possible anymore.
	You might get lucky.
	Okay, but I mean, look, I just need to get a picture of this master of masters moving among us in London with a grand plan for saving us all.
	You know, what does he do?
	Does he work somewhere?
	Is he incognito working in a bank?
	Is he a police officer?
	Where is him?
	I know you can't give me his physical address, but I just need to get a word picture of this master here amongst us.
	Yes, he moves mainly in the Asian community in London, which is he can move very freely without sort of exposing, you know, without calling too much attention to himself.
	But he also travels around the world.
	And he can appear at will anywhere at any moment.
	He doesn't have to take a plane or a train or whatever.
	Well, I have many good friends in the Asian community in London, and I have to say that to date, and I've probably been speaking to the wrong people, but they're people that I have much time and respect for, that they haven't mentioned him to me.
	That doesn't necessarily mean they haven't met him or haven't seen him.
	A lot of them are probably might know him under another name or just as the teacher and probably sort of reluctant to talk too much about it.
	Okay.
	So within India and in the United Kingdom, there are a number of people who say that they are gurus.
	And those people hold meetings and they have their followers and people who are supportive of what they say and do.
	But what you're talking about is of a complete other order from that, isn't it?
	This is something bigger.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I'm Well Well, no, no, I'm just trying to get a sense of the fact that there's been a person living here, I think you've told me since the 1970s, who is quietly watching and quietly waiting and makes periodic appearances and can, in a sense, materialize.
	I mean, I think if the message is this good and this important, and I think a lot of people would agree that some kind of change is needed to solve some of the problems that we are facing in this world of ours, I think that's probably indisputable.
	Some people look to politics for those changes.
	Some people look in other directions.
	Why this person is hiding his light, literally, under a bushel, as we say here in the UK?
	In other words, keeping quiet about it to most of us.
	Yes, because it's a gradual process.
	He can't simply come out and say, listen, I'm the world teacher.
	I know the solution to all the world's problems and so on.
	He could do that, but that would infringe humanity's free will.
	Okay, well, how bad have things got to get before he does that?
	Yeah, well, we have to be taken to the brink, I think.
	The discrepancy, the divisions in the world between the wealthy and the poor are so extreme.
	The environmental problems are so dire and immediate.
	There's likely to be a financial collapse, we think.
	And this will bring humanity to its senses.
	And is this the point at which, I mean, there are people at the moment who are darkly hinting that we are heading for some kind of global recession.
	Of course, that kind of thing has been said before, but we've got to look back through history.
	It has happened on occasion, including the 1930s, where there was a collapse.
	There are people who are predicting in their own way that sort of thing.
	Are you telling me today that if, and we say if, we don't want to alarm people, if that happens, then the Matriya will come forward and say, well, I told you so, and here's what you can do about it.
	Well, I don't think he'll say, I told you so, but.
	No, no, that was trivial on my part, but you know what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	There was also a crash in 2008.
	And yeah, well, he is emerging.
	He didn't speak then, did he?
	Well, he's emerging gradually.
	Over the last 10 years or so, I'm looking at policy confirmation.
	He has given a large number of interviews, not as Matrea, still working incognito, on television in various countries, starting in the United States and moving on to Mexico and Brazil.
	What was he calling himself in the U.S.?
	We don't know.
	Mr. Whatever.
	We don't know.
	Are you saying that, I mean, look, and again, I don't want to be sounding like I'm trivializing what you're telling, because that's not what I want to do.
	But are you saying that he might have been one of these people who appears on the likes of MSNBC giving financial predictions or something like that?
	We'd be presented with somebody, but we just wouldn't know that.
	Yeah, as we understand, he'd appear as one of a panel.
	And he's talking, maybe not always, but often as one of a panel.
	And he's talking about the need to share the world's resources, the need to change direction, the need for justice to absolute essential, you know, the essential nature of establishing peace.
	Gradually, at first, very, very low key, very low profile, but gradually raising that profile.
	And this process is still going on.
	So gradually his ideas are becoming known.
	The thing is that there is a huge resistance to this.
	vested interests, the commercial and the forces of commercialization and materiality and so on.
	Well, of course they'd be against it because anybody who calls for sharing round of resources, anybody who points up a recent report that show you how wealth is being gradually...
	I'm just citing facts here.
	The proportion of wealth being held by the uppermost echelon is increasing all the time.
	I mean, that's just a fact.
	That's not a political statement.
	That's right.
	Yeah, of course they will be against it.
	They have enormous power and influence.
	So how are you going to beat that then?
	How will you beat it?
	Well, if there is a crash, and we believe it's on the cards, financial crash, then these people seem to lose a lot, of course.
	The thing is, I think that, and as you've said yourself, we're all sort of, we'd cheer immediately if anyone like this came forward.
	And I think the world is sort of longing, perhaps unbeknownst to itself, longing for someone like this with some answers.
	Well, the problem is that every time something, and I'm sorry to talk over you, Felicity, every time something like this appears, like for example, the better elements of the Occupy movement, both sides of the Atlantic, not those who cause trouble, you know, they don't last.
	They fizzle out.
	I know, I know.
	It's a very interesting question.
	I've long pondered it myself and been thinking about it.
	One of the things I think that happens to popular movements, and actually you've just put your finger on something I was going to talk about, because you said, how are we going to beat it?
	Well, I think it's up to us.
	I think it really is up to the people.
	And as you see, more and more people are mobilized.
	And you see, for example, a young 15-year-old, 16-year-old now, Greta Thunberg from Sweden, has sparked an extraordinary movement in talking about the need for saving our planet from climate change and so on.
	But just to go back to it, I think really we're in a state of spiritual crisis, but this is expressing itself in our political systems, our economic systems, and they're all breaking down.
	And we do need to look together at what sorts of solutions we can come up with.
	And Maitreya, his personal name, Maitreya, and the Masters are really behind such movements.
	They were behind the labor movement.
	They were behind many of the movements we know as being really having contributed to the evolution of us all.
	The message that they convey...
	Yes, sorry.
	...sounds very much like things that I read about and sometimes talk about on both the radio show that I do and this podcast that I've been doing for such a long time.
	You know, are they...
	Are they alien hybrids?
	I know there's all sorts of stories like that and some dreadful ones with people who have got very weird imaginations, haven't they?
	But in fact, our information does include an aspect of that, but not, as you've just put it, if I could put it this way, Benjamin Crem has always maintained and confirmed that other planets in our solar system, and I know that's going to sound weird to everyone, but anyway, here it is.
	People on other planets do exist.
	So there is life on other planets, but it's in a slightly different form.
	And I don't mean lizard people or something weird like that.
	I simply mean they're in what we call, I'm sure many people, your listeners, might have heard of it, the etheric.
	It means a slightly finer level of matter.
	So they're in the etheric realm.
	They are effectively in another dimension.
	They're in a slightly different dimension, precisely.
	And now we all have etheric bodies.
	You know, that's what you've read about, or if you know about your readers, your listeners have surely heard about Kirlian photography and so on, which picks up a slightly higher rate of vibration of matter.
	And that matter is what we call very generally, and using it as a sort of shorthand just for the moment, that etheric level is where you find people on different planets.
	And there are such things as spacecraft come from other planets in our solar system.
	And there are more and more of them being seen.
	And why they can sometimes just appear and disappear apparently amazingly, you know, instantaneously, is because they simply lower the vibration rate of the craft.
	And you see them for a time because it's just like our eyes are not quite attuned in general terms.
	Our eyes are not quite set to pick up etheric.
	Some of us do and some younger children seem to have more of that ability.
	But spacecraft very vaguely and slightly, but hardly.
	I can't claim to have that.
	But I do know that a lot of younger people, children being born now, do seem to have more of that ability.
	And so the spacecraft can lower the vibration and be seen by us, and then you see them disappear instantaneously.
	And again, that's because they've simply raised the vibration.
	Now, it means that the Space Brothers are here, they call Space Brothers, the people from other planets, many of them are here, and their mission is, and I'm going to put this in capital letters for your listeners: they are here on a spiritual mission to help humanity.
	They're here to help us, particularly to do with the clearing up, cleaning up of our atmosphere, to do with nuclear radiation, which is why you often see them above nuclear installations, etc., and have been photographed quite frequently above such installations.
	So, because nuclear radiation is so very deleterious in its effects for the etheric body of humanity and for our general state of health, which is why our immune systems are not doing too well at the moment.
	Why didn't they stop what happened at Chernobyl and perhaps what happened at Fukushima?
	They did as much as they could within the karmic limits, if I may again use a bit of jargon.
	Humanity has free will, as you know.
	It has also karmic limits, and the masters can only, and other people from other planets who work together with the masters, have to work within those limits.
	And they did what they could, so it could have been much worse, apparently.
	To answer your question from a minute ago, the masters are not from other planets.
	They have evolved out of our Earth humanity.
	They are men and women like us.
	I think that's what you said at the beginning of our conversation, and it's dawning on me that you're saying that they are evolved.
	In other words, you believe a higher evolution of what we are.
	It's an evolution of consciousness, not an evolution of form.
	So they're basically the best of us.
	Yes, and that's what we will become.
	They're the best that humanity has produced, and we're all on the way to becoming that.
	Well, that sounds very lovely and very optimistic.
	And, you know, I think we do have problems on this planet.
	We know what they are, and we seem to be acquiring more of them.
	And to add to the list, more recently, we're getting political turmoil on top of everything, as we know here in Europe.
	There are various views of that, but I don't think anybody, whichever side of the table they happen to be on, would deny the fact that it's caused a huge amount of turmoil.
	So, you know, everything seems to be bubbling up into some kind of great, I don't know, explosion or something at some point of events.
	You know, things seem to be getting worse on some levels, or maybe I'm just, you know, a horrible pessimist and read too many newspapers.
	I don't know.
	What I'm not wholly convinced of, though, is that somebody who's been lying in wait or watching and waiting in London is going to step forward and say, okay, guys, I've got to get your act together now, and everybody's going to do it.
	No, well, it will be up to humanity, of course.
	And as I said, he's gradually emerging, appearing on television incognito, but talking about the things that need to happen.
	And humanity has gradually to realize that, yes, this is what we need to do, and to call on their governments to implement these changes.
	It will be up to humanity.
	Is he behind the appearance of both of you on this show?
	Not as far as I know.
	No, I think that's our colleague, our publicity colleague.
	Okay.
	And I'm just wondering, because, okay, look, I'm a little speck in the firmament, aren't I?
	But I am heard all over the world.
	Yes.
	If you'd all wanted, and if he'd wanted publicity and a chance to really start to get the ball rolling on all of this, then he could well have said, okay, I'm going to pick at random Howard Hughes and his show, The Unexplained, because he's a journalist and he seems to be a reasonable guy, and he'll give people a say.
	And I'm going to go on there, and I'm going to give him a piece of information that will categorically prove that I am what I say I am.
	Seems to me that that might have been an opportunity lost.
	Yeah, he has given, as we said, interviews throughout the world, and he's becoming sort of more, he's sort of raising his profile.
	He's also working behind the scenes, by the way, to try to help, and was involved in, for example, in conferences in Vienna and so on, to try to cement the nuclear deal and various peace deals and so on.
	So throughout the world, he and the various masters are working at that sort of thing.
	And perhaps after the show, we could give you the name of a journalist who was responsible, who took part in a particular, let's say, yes, media approach to, as it were, trying to locate or make contact with Maitreya back in the 80s.
	Is he living in an ordinary home in London?
	Is he doing an ordinary job, paying taxes here, using public transportation, all of those things?
	Yeah, when he first entered the UK from, he had his, let's say, primary headquarters in the Himalayas, and he entered Britain from Pakistan, etc., by plane.
	So he fulfilled the prophecy of coming in the clouds and everyone would see him.
	He appeared, he started and had a passport, etc., and had some sort of backstory, as they call it, and was known as a teacher.
	And he worked in sort of social work and helped in various ways in the Asian community.
	And I think there he's known as the teacher.
	You know, some people would know him as that.
	And so he came here with a backstory.
	Are you saying that that wasn't his backstory?
	This was a story that was given to him to allow him to pass here.
	Yes, yes.
	And something else I wanted to, and that's quite correct, Howard, yes.
	And I wanted to go on to say something about the need for really looking, all of us looking at what we need to do.
	So I think that, you know, there are millions of people who are really either hungry or starving or malnourished.
	These people are certainly calling out either consciously or unconsciously for help of some kind.
	And there are now hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world who are prepared to stand up and be countered and go on protest marches and call for, for example, no war in Iraq or Iran, for no wall in the States, and so on and so on.
	There are people standing up for the climate and so on.
	And more and more, this is growing.
	And I think this is really important.
	It's not so much that Matre is sort of skulking somewhere in the background waiting for us to get our act together.
	And then he'll say, well, look, I've told you, and I've got the solutions.
	I mean, I would be personally very happy if he made himself known tomorrow to all of us.
	Well, I would too, because, you know, if he would do it on this show, then I would have the scoop of scoops, wouldn't I?
	You would.
	But up to now, all I have is your beliefs.
	Yes, it's more than a belief, I have to say, for both of us, and as Julian indicated earlier on, for most of us who do this work.
	And I think anyone who has had contact with Matre, whether they know him as that or not, and most of them do not know him as that, are convinced that they are speaking to someone quite extraordinary and that there is hope for the world.
	I don't want to sound religious, but it is said, and this I strongly believe, I believe that this is a benign universe, a benign system that we're in, and that things tend to the good in the end.
	Of course, the end, and for me personally, the end is taking a bit too long, but I must emphasize, we're not talking about the end of the world.
	We're not talking about catastrophe.
	We're talking about going through hard times, which we are doing right now with all the polarization and the extremes and the extremism you see in all societies.
	But we're coming out of it gradually.
	Why did the Masters not stop World War II, Felicity?
	Sorry?
	Why did the Masters not stop World War II?
	World War II was actually part of a whole war which started with World War I, and it sort of came to a climax in World War II from the, let's say, ageless wisdom point of view, that scene as one war.
	But millions of people died needlessly.
	They absolutely did, absolutely needlessly in a way.
	But it was actually part of the working out of what some people like to call the Antichrist.
	It is, and I'm not blaming one particular country or other or any particular people or peoples for this.
	This is not the case.
	The Antichrist is an energy and it worked its way out through the wars and it brought things to a head so that you had the warring factions that you had.
	Of course, that will be.
	I think that may baffle.
	It may even annoy some people who are perhaps related to or connected with those who perished under the jackpot of Hitler in the ways that we are well aware of.
	I don't think it's any consolation for them to be told it was some kind of necessary conflict between good and evil.
	It's not unnecessary.
	I mean, yes, it wasn't, yeah, perhaps...
	But they weren't able to stop it, though, were they?
	I mean, if they were masters, they would have stopped that.
	Not necessarily.
	I'm sure they did everything they could to mitigate the effects of it.
	But it was an inevitable process, this working out of the Antichrist energy.
	And, you know, humanity has free will.
	I'm sure the masters would have, if they were allowed to, stop it altogether.
	But, you know, they can't infringe humanity's free will.
	If they were allowed to, and you're saying that there is a prime directive, as they call it on Star Trek, that stops them from stepping in and taking, you know, putting their hands on the steering wheel.
	There's a law.
	It's law.
	A universal law.
	Universal law.
	Humanity's free will may not be infringed.
	Can I just bring that up to date?
	It worked its way out through, let's say, the Axis powers and caused extraordinary human suffering and damage to the climate, to the planet, etc., etc., and uncountable and untold suffering.
	However, it has not entirely, that energy has not entirely worked itself out yet, and that is why we're seeing the current situation throughout the world.
	We're seeing the growth of fascism.
	We're seeing the growth of a right-wing dominance.
	We're seeing the growth of a kind of inhumanity so that we can close our borders, put up walls, put up razor-wire fences, and keep people out who are simply fleeing more starvation.
	I think I'm quite keen not to get into political things because there will be people, for example, listening to this now, many of whom will certainly be against the wall and some of whom may well be for the wall.
	And, you know, I'm trying not to take this into politics if that's possible, because thereby lies a poison chalice and a very difficult path for us.
	But I think, look, we're drawing to the end of this now.
	And Julian, you didn't quite finish the story of how your father, Benjamin Crem, got the message first.
	And I think it's important, just as we're coming to the final minutes of this, to hear that story, if it's possible to compress it.
	Yes.
	Well, he was first contacted by his master in the late 1950s.
	And why do you think he was picked?
	Because he was available.
	He had certain telepathic ability.
	Also, a karmic relationship with his master, no doubt.
	He was a reasonably evolved human being.
	And the masters will use whoever's available.
	Anyway, he was contacted then and told that the world teacher would be emerging at some time in the near future, In the event, it was about 20 years later, a little less.
	And he was told at the time that he would have a role to play in that emergence if he chose to accept it.
	He then forgot about it for about 15 years, got on with his painting.
	He was an artist.
	And in the early 1970s, his master took up that contact again and reinforced it and put him through training for him to be able to do the work.
	And he was… Yeah.
	How do you train for this?
	I'm not sure if I can answer that.
	Felicity may have something.
	Telepathy, sensitivity.
	Meditation.
	I don't know the details of it.
	But he clearly had his life changed and clearly was tasked, you think and he thought, with trying to help other people change their lives.
	We are coming to the end of this, and it is a big topic to grasp.
	And you know that there will be some people listening to this taking a view, saying this is something that I've known about for a long time, or they'll be saying this is hogwash.
	I don't know.
	It's for people to make of it whatever they will.
	And I'm sure you've encountered all of those reactions before.
	What is the first manifestation then of the changing circumstances and the possible appearance of this very special one, you say?
	What is the first manifestation we should be looking for?
	Well, look for somebody talking about the need to share the world's resources.
	Well, there are people like that doing that on TV every day.
	Yes, but, well, he may be one of them.
	And he will gradually be raising his profile and doing that, speaking about that more and more forcefully and urgently, shall we say.
	So we've just got to guess then, haven't we?
	I've got to be watching the BBC Rolling News channel, Sky News over here, Fox News, CNN, whatever.
	And I've got to guess, could that be the person?
	Could this be the person?
	It's not just guesswork.
	You have to use your intuition and see if his quality really speaks to you.
	And what would give it away?
	What do you think would give it away?
	I would say his quality, the energy that you feel as he speaks, the energy of love and compassion, an extraordinary ability to cut through to the heart of every problem.
	And eventually he will be invited to speak to the world as Maitreya.
	And who will do the inviting, do you think?
	United Nations?
	It'll be a combination of the United Nations and the world's media and humanity itself.
	Look, humanity will say, look, we want to hear more from this guy.
	He's making sense.
	So do you think that you will know who he is?
	Well, you do know, you say who he is, but what I'm saying is that all of us alive at the moment are likely to get the chance to know who he is before our life energy is flushed out.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So it's coming soon?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I don't think we can go any further for the moment.
	I mean, you both sound very nice, very reasonable people, telling an extraordinary story.
	And I did say, and it's important that I tell you to my listener in the introduction to this, that they must use their critical faculties and not simply accept everything, but question all that they hear.
	And I'm sure you would understand why I must do that.
	Yes, we would endorse that 100%.
	Okay, well, thank you both very much.
	I mean, you're very nice to speak to, both Felicity and Julian, and I wish you well.
	And perhaps we'll pick up this conversation at some point in the future, maybe after the appearance of this person, this being, or maybe beforehand.
	But it's been good speaking with you both.
	Okay.
	Oh, I have to ask you one thing.
	Do you have a website where people can read about this?
	Yes, that's share-international.org.
	Share-international.org.
	Thank you both.
	Thank you.
	You've been hearing Felicity Elliott and Julian Cream.
	I would be interested to get your views on what you've just heard.
	And of course, if you feel that you want to contact them, then they do have a website.
	And I would recommend that you do so.
	I'm sure that they are happy to receive any and all feedback.
	And as I say, this was a topic I was not going to do.
	And then I thought about it again, and I have decided to.
	But at the back of this, I'll say again what I said at the beginning.
	Please always, in the things that you hear on this show, exercise your critical faculties and anything, whatever topic we're talking about, do not accept everything that you hear at face value.
	That's why we're doing this show, really, to probe things and maybe along the way to learn some things and to discard some other things.
	But all of this is to do with questing, understanding, and maybe ultimately learning.
	Don't you think?
	If that doesn't sound too high for Luton, because it's, you know me, it is not meant to be in any way, shape, or form, because there ain't me.
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