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July 4, 2018 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 352 - Rick Wagner

This time... California writer/researcher Rick Wagner and his "life with the spirits..."

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Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet.
By webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Return of the Unexplained.
Well, thank you very much for being part of my show.
Thank you very much for the interesting emails you've sent me recently.
I'm going to do a lot of shout-outs at the beginning of the next show.
And the next show will be an interview that you've requested that was on my radio show recently.
A lot of you have been asking me to feature Yaoi, the Australian version of Bigfoot.
So we're going to be doing that with Tony Healy from my radio show in the next edition.
And at the beginning of that, I'll do a lot of shout-outs.
Thank you very much if you've suggested, and many people have, potential cures for the remaining symptoms of the flu that I came back from South Africa with recently.
It's still on my chest, but I think you can probably hear I'm sounding a little bit more like myself now.
I think the heat wave that we've got here in the UK is probably helping one way and another.
We've had temperatures north of 27 degrees for days and days, and by the looks of it, for the next week or thereabouts, we're going to have more of the same.
I don't know whether it's any indication as to what the rest of the summer will do here, but we will see.
A lot of comments also about the Titanic man we had recently, John Hamer, who was on here.
Some of you loving what he had to say, saying that it's prompted them to do more research.
Others saying that there was no basis in fact in most of what he said.
But I guess that's the usual way of the unexplained.
And if it gets you debating these things, then I think that's pretty good, don't you?
A lot of good response, by the way, about the UK cryptozoology show that we did very recently.
Those are still coming in, so thank you very much for that.
So like I say, I am going to do a pile of shout-outs.
I'm collating a lot of your emails right now.
And if you have emailed me with something that needs a reply directly from me, then check your inbox because the chances are that in the last day or so, you're going to have got that reply.
I'm getting back up to speed with myself at the moment.
The guest on this edition is somebody I had to have on this show because the kind of topics that we'll be talking about are meat and drink to the unexplained.
The guy's name is Rick Wagner.
The book that he's written is called My Haunted Reality.
And it is basically what it says on the title.
It is his life story and how spirits, ghosts, whatever you want to call them, have been part of his life, it seems.
Not always in a scary way.
Sometimes in quite an amusing way and sometimes in a kind of assisting way.
But you'll hear more from him in just a little while when we connect with Rick Wagner in the United States.
Thank you very much to Adam Cornwell from Creative Hotspot in Liverpool for his continuing hard work on the show and the website.
The new website will come along as soon as we can get it out there.
And thank you also, by the way, for your many comments about my comments to do with subscription shows and the fact that those subscription shows make an awful lot of money and the fact that we, because this is a free show and we ask for donations here if you can give them, we struggle a lot of the time and that's been a difficulty for the last 10 years or more with this show.
But, you know, a lot of you have made suggestions.
Some of you have said that you would be only too pleased to pay a subscription for the show if one was brought in.
Others making other suggestions that I'm looking into.
So thank you very much.
You know, we are a democracy here and whatever I do, it's going to be in consultation with you.
This is not how the mainstream media works.
This is how I work.
But it is an ongoing issue that the income from the show is never very great.
And I'm very grateful for any donations that I get.
But it fluctuates a great deal.
So if I don't mention donations for a few weeks, then very few come in.
And that's how it is.
And I guess there has to be a way to do all of this better, especially as you say that you value the show.
And one emailer at least said that I need to value myself and my own work, which was an interesting point.
And thank you for it.
So it's a work in progress.
I will find a formula one of these days.
But your suggestions, very gratefully received.
If you want to contact me, make a guest suggestion, comment about the show, whatever you want to do, then you can go to my website, theunexplained.tv.
Let's get to the guest now in the US.
Rick Wagner, My Haunted Reality.
And this is a little bit from the intro to the book by somebody called Boris Schach, I believe.
And the intro goes like this.
Do you ever get a feeling that you are not alone and that there is something more to life as we see it?
There are spirits around us all the time leaving us messages, if only we would take the time to notice them.
Why are they there?
Well, maybe with a bit of luck, we're going to get some answers to those questions now with Rick Wagner in the U.S. Rick, thank you for coming on.
It is a pleasure, Howard.
I'm glad to be here.
Now, look, I don't know a great deal about you.
I've been reading through the book today.
I've done a journalist speed read.
It is a fascinating story of somebody's life that has been impacted, seemingly by ghosts and spirits from the get-go.
But you're going to have to tell me all about yourself before we do anything.
No pressure then, Rick.
Let's see.
Let's condense 60 years into five minutes.
I think what our fallback emotion is fear.
Every time we see something that we don't understand, it's fear.
So as I was growing up and I was feeling things and experiencing things and seeing things, it was terrifying to me.
The first chapter in the book, My Haunted Reality, is about a near-death experience I had on a motorcycle at a time when helmets were not required in the United States.
I was hit and thrown 50 feet in the air and landed on my head with no protective gear.
The motorcycle was totaled, the car was totaled, and I was paralyzed from the neck down.
The paramedics came and they saw that my gym bag was under my head and they said, who put the gym bag under your head?
And I said, my grandmother did.
And they said, where is she?
I said, oh, she died 10 years ago.
Okay, so when you had that encounter with the paramedics and you had that terrible accident, which I was reading all about in the book, the idea that your grandmother who deceased 10 years before could have saved you in that way, which I think is the subplot of this story, you know, that idea wouldn't have been something unusual or strange to you.
It may have been to the paramedics.
Right.
And I'm sure they hear different stories too as they're running around doing their daily job.
But I saw her hands and her face take the gym bag from behind me and put it in front of me.
And the ER doctors the next day said: first of all, you should be dead.
You should have severed your spine, fractured your skull.
There should have been multiple internal injuries.
They found nothing.
Because we've got to say this accident, the way that you describe it in the book, was horrendous.
You were catapulted into the air.
The bike was thrown up.
You know, without a helmet, in those circumstances, and even with a helmet, the chances that you would die are pretty high.
Yeah, and the fact that I went that far on pavement with shorts and a t-shirt on, and they said there was no blood.
So they let me go, and they said they'd never seen anything like that.
But it made me realize that the things that I'm seeing and the messages I'm getting are not terrifying.
They're usually messages of encouragement for somebody I know.
So it was a transition point for me.
So I started looking at what my guides were showing me and taking it seriously.
And slowly that door begins to open to where I'm doing the work that I'm doing now.
Let's stick with the accident because your book starts with the accident.
And it's quite a description that you give of it.
Your grandmother, who you say put the gym bag in the way of your head and thereby stopped catastrophic injuries and effectively saved your life, did your grandmother subsequently Beyond the Grave let you know why she did that and what that was all about?
I have always felt her around me.
I think anyone that has any kind of ability, psychic ability or empathetic ability, it's hereditary.
I know my grandmother had the ability.
My mom had it.
Most of my family has it.
And even my nieces and nephews are super sensitive and super feeling.
So she's always been there in some form and kind of like my little protection, you know, and there was maybe a purpose for me being here and it wasn't my time to go.
So she's saying, oh, no, not yet.
Well, I mean, it's wonderful to have that kind of protection if you have.
You were, I think, in your 20s when this happened?
Yes.
Right.
Okay, so we're talking about the 1980s, but your experiences from the book go back way beyond that.
There are experiences that you have as young as 10 from what I see.
I think the youngest was six or seven.
I would see something crouching down at the foot of my bed, a white figure, and it looked like it was going to pounce on me, and I would be frozen in fear.
And the one thing that I remember was I was trying to reach out to my grandmother, who was in the next room, the adjoining room, sleeping, when I'm in the room with my brother.
And why didn't I hit my brother and say, hey, there's something here.
We should deal with this.
But the messages were always directed to my grandmother.
About a year later, my mom was flipping through a photo album, and we came across an image of a man with white hair and white pajamas and sitting on a bed.
And I said, who's that?
And my mom said, that was my dad.
He was in the hospital.
He had rheumatoid arthritis and wasn't able to stand for the last 30 years of his life.
And I said, oh, that was the man that was crouching down at the foot of my bed.
So all that time, I was terrified of my grandfather, who was manifesting in a form that I would have recognized if I had seen or been aware of him.
So you never knew him, and from what I remember of the book, he died at 61, didn't he?
Right, right, right.
Yes.
So what did you make of the present?
I mean, you were very young.
When you were told, when you put two and two together and made four about this, how did you feel?
It was sad because here is a family spirit that was trying to get a message to my grandmother that he was fine.
He was happy.
This is where he's supposed to be.
And I'm just terrified.
And I think our guides do that.
They open the door slowly for us to experience things and they want to see how we're going to react to it.
And if we're just terrified each time, they'll just keep that door closed.
So this was their introduction to the spirit rules.
Hey, let's see how much you can handle here.
So why didn't they, I guess this is a very obvious question, but I'm very good at asking very obvious questions.
Why did they use a child as a medium of contact rather than go to the source?
In other words, if your grandfather wanted to let your grandmother know that he was okay wherever he was, why did he not go to her directly?
That is interesting.
And I think it is the empathetic ability to comprehend.
So you were more, even though you didn't know it, you were more receptive.
Yes, yes.
And people that are now experiencing things, I get phone calls and texts and emails every day with people and their experiences.
And I'm telling them, I said, it's because you're very empathetic.
If you're a lost spirit and you're looking for someone to get you and understand what your situation is, you're not going to go to someone who's totally closed off and not going to see you.
You're going to find those humans that are empathetic and have some kind of receptive ability and can open that communication in that doorway.
Do you consider yourself to be a medium?
I was searching you online.
Apart from the book, I don't know anything about you.
And the only Rick Wagner I could find was an American football star.
I guess you get that all the time.
But do you consider yourself to be a psychic medium?
That is probably, if you have to pinpoint it, it would be correct.
But I do more healing.
The people that come to me are in pain, dealing with anxiety, loss of creativity, very deep, deep depression, and a lot of thoughts of suicide.
And these are all interactions from the spirits around us and how their energies affect us.
We're energetic beings.
They are also.
So when energies attract that way, we're going to assimilate all of their emotions and their discourse, whatever they're going through also.
But of course, if somebody, and we'll get into your clients and the stories that they tell a little later in this conversation, Rick, if somebody's coming to you in that kind of distress, the first thing I would do is say you need to get professional counseling and professional help before you talk to a guy like me.
Most of my clients have been through the gamut.
One client was 66 years of depression, and her last text to me was, I am happy for the first time in my life.
They've gone through the psychiatrists.
They've gone through all the medications and they're still depressed.
And I instantly can feel something around them.
If I don't, then I say, I'm sorry, I can't help you.
But if I feel an energy around them that needs to be relocated and I can solve their issue in one session or two sessions, there's no side effects.
I didn't take them off of their course of psychiatric therapy or whatever medications they were on.
I'm just having a conversation.
Let me have a conversation.
There's no side effects from a conversation.
So you're saying that these people, and like I say, we will get into the client stories, somehow accrete presences or spirits or things that have attached themselves to them and are effectively draining them and pulling them down?
Yes.
In different levels.
We have electrical sources on our body.
Our heads, our neck, our spine, and our shoulders are an electrical center.
So spirits have a tendency to attach to those areas.
These are spirits most of the time.
It's a family member just letting you know that they're nearby and it's causing us pain.
I get clients that have shoulder and neck pain.
It's been going on for 10 years.
I say, oh, you know, that's your grandfather or that's your grandmother.
They just need to take a step back.
With love, you know, they're showing you that they're there, but that close proximity is causing pain.
If they could just take a step back, instantly the pain dissolves.
So that's interesting.
That kind of suggests in a way that a lot of people who are bereaved, a lot of us who've faced bereavement in our lives, I've lost a mother and a father and a grandmother and various other people in the last 10, 15 years or so, that we seek them.
A lot of us do.
I mean, I can't imagine that there are many people who just simply forget those who've passed.
There's a lot of grieving to be done.
There's a lot of seeking to be done.
But you're saying that they are as keen to connect with us as we are with them.
Absolutely.
I mean, I get into my car and I'm like, okay, who's here with me?
I got grandma.
I got my dad.
I got my mom.
It's always very crowded around me.
It's very comforting.
My philosophy is we come to this planet, which is a learning planet.
There's always going to be night and day, dark and light, peace and war.
We create our own heaven and hell through our choices on this planet.
But we came here, we chose our family.
So when I reconnect a spirit, I connect them back to their family.
I don't send them into the millions and millions of lights out there.
I send them to their family.
So our family is a very, very important unity, and they're always with us.
They may be, you know, out and about, but we have an electrical connection to them.
So whenever you want to talk to your grandparents or your parents that have passed, they're there.
They really, really are.
It's a wonderful, wonderful.
Well, you say they may be out and about.
That's something that I've given a lot of thought to.
Where do you believe they are roaming out and about?
Well, everything is about learning.
It's about advancing through our levels of spirituality and likeness.
And even though when you transition, you don't instantly know everything.
You know, it's still all that learning process.
So I do believe that, you know, my mom and dad, they're probably out there just still learning, but they don't all like leave the realm until we have all been in a position to regroup once we've all passed over.
And you, that's an interesting way of putting it, regroup.
You're saying that, you know, as I've always kind of hoped that one of these days we'll all be together, you're saying that's the way of things?
Yes, yes, yes.
Then whatever the next lesson is to learn, it progresses from there.
They kind of keep my attention span to this particular life and what this lesson is.
I can't see a lot of past lives.
I know there's probably other life on other planets, but I think our primary goal is whatever we're here for this planet to learn is to focus on learning that lesson.
I have a lot of the converted listening to this show.
I have a lot of people who think that such talk is hoo-eye, and they will probably email me.
But let's get through some of your stories through your life, because this book that you've written is the story of your life.
So we'll work our way through it chapter by chapter, if you don't mind.
And if you would tell me first, the story that made me chuckle of you and the jigsaw puzzle, this was to do with a house that you were staying on in a wonderful location, I think, called Fire Island, if I've got this location right.
And you were doing a 2 million piece, 2 million piece, I've never seen a 2 million piece jigsaw, and you were missing a piece.
Now, this is a great story, but you will tell it better than me.
No, it was, it was.
These were samples of little experiences I had throughout my lifetime where things were off or things didn't make sense.
I actually went to school for mechanical aerospace engineering.
So I have a very scientific mind.
So I was always trying to justify it.
Why are these things happening?
Why am I seeing these things?
This was a situation where I'm staying in a house and there was no television out there at the time and we didn't have cell phones, et cetera.
Well, I mean, that sounds good to me.
Where is Fire Island, by the way?
If this is where this is.
It's off of Long Island.
It's off the coast of Long Island outside of Manhattan down there, outside of New York.
And I found this puzzle and I put it together on the kitchen table.
And, you know, I would do a little bit every day.
And then.
Was it really a two million piece puzzle?
No, no, no.
It felt like there were two million pieces because it just took forever to get.
Because I was thinking, you know, two million piece puzzle would probably cover most of Long Island.
But anyway.
Huge.
Sorry about that.
And I get the whole puzzle finished, except there's one piece missing, which was really frustrating.
You go all that time and putting it together and look there's a piece missing.
I looked on the floor.
I looked everywhere.
I could not find this missing piece.
I had gone out the next day, and when I came back, I looked at the puzzle on the table and it was complete.
And there was nobody else in the house.
Right.
I mean, that is something that theoretically can't happen.
Are you sure that you didn't just get up in the middle of the night and find the piece and fix the puzzle?
You know, and I thought of that.
I sat down and I said, no, I looked at it before I walked out of the house.
It did not have that piece in there.
And I come back and it's complete.
And I'm like, okay, it must have been, what, a gardener coming in?
No, the doors were locked.
There's nobody else in here.
No explanation.
No explanation.
There was some activity.
I did feel a presence in the house.
I could feel something and hear something going up and down the stairs.
I was told later that that whole area is an Indian burial ground and that these stories are common out in that area.
And every house out there has their own little ghost stories.
It's a lovely story, though.
The fact that something would decide to assist you or was maybe have, as we say in the UK, having a laugh with you.
You know, that's fun.
I mean, there are other stories in your book that are over and above the idea of being killed and scared and traumatized.
There are stories that make you laugh.
And I think that was the point of the book was to get our heads out of the fear, out of the movie theaters.
Most of the clients I have that are traumatized in all these situations where they've experienced things and it was fear, I would go back to that situation with them.
And chances are it was an enlightenment.
It was a relative.
It was something trying to get a message to them.
And it's not something to be afraid of.
It's something to explore openheartedly.
So where was the lesson for you then in having your jigsaw completed?
I think it's an awareness that, again, getting out of the fear of it.
You know, if they wanted to scare me, they could have.
But this was something, and they can communicate in odd ways, and their messages are not always clear.
It's always an interpretation.
So what does that, does that have a meaning or is that just kind of letting them know that they're there?
And I think it was more of a confirmation that there was something in the house.
And that was their funny way of showing it to me.
But by this stage in your life, you were well used to those kind of contacts.
There's a great quote in your book.
I'm not sure where this comes from, but I wrote it down.
And I'll just read it back to you.
You say, it has taken me many years to realize that the things I see and feel are most likely not meant for me at all, but they're to be shared and directed towards others.
So you definitely have the feeling that something somewhere is using you as a kind of conduit.
Yes, if there's a message to be transmitted and the receiver is not receiving it, sometimes we're just too busy or sometimes they just don't pay attention.
Howard, every day, I swear, people are coming up to me all the time saying, Rick, I've never told anyone this before.
So whether that veil is getting thinner or we're just making this more of a part of a conversation that's accessible and approving, that people are letting me know that there are stories that they've, you know, we've seen things and they're paying attention to them now and it's nothing to really be afraid of.
And you're not crazy.
That's the other thing.
Well, I mean, that's quite reassuring to know as one who's had a set of experiences from when I was a kid myself.
But anyway, chapter five of the book is called Mom Has Not Left the Building.
This is the sad death of your mother.
I think of emphysema at the age of 70.
This is back in the 90s, so it's around 20 years or so ago.
And I quote, as I was standing against the far wall observing the scene, I felt something touch my right shoulder.
As I turned my head to look, I felt a distinct squeeze along with an energy conveying a sense of reassurance.
This was my mum placing her hand on my shoulder.
She was still here, and she wanted me to know a few things before she left.
What did she want you to know?
That she was okay.
And the one thing that she put into my head, which I thought was a tremendous concept, my family was standing at the coffin looking at my mom.
And the reason I backed up was because I wasn't feeling anything.
This is my mother.
We had a really tight, loving family, and we're all looking down in the coffin.
And I wasn't feeling anything.
I said, I don't know.
You said, in fact, you saw her, you saw her face.
You saw what the undertaker had done with her.
And you were having the feeling that many people have that it didn't entirely look like her, but you got no feeling at all from the entity, the presence within the casket.
Right.
And my dad's there, my brother, my older sister, my younger sister, everyone's crying.
And I'm not crying.
And I thought, well, I'm going to try to think of something sad here.
And that didn't work either.
And I'm like, this is my mother.
She's dead.
I should be like in tears.
I didn't feel that she was there.
So I backed up against the wall and they heard me say, there you are.
And they said, what?
I said, oh, mom wants you to know she's no longer in her suitcase, which I love that concept that her body was her suitcase that was carrying her spirit.
I thought that was brilliant.
I go, oh, that's really cool.
And she was over here against the wall and she had touched my shoulder.
But we could also, mothers have a smell.
This was my mom's smell, her hairspray, and I could smell her over here.
I don't know what they did to her to fix her up in the coffin, but it didn't even smell like my mom.
So the family came over and were huddled against the wall.
And I go, we can smell her.
We can feel her over here.
It was a wonderful experience.
And the priest comes back into the room and he sees us huddled against the wall and he sees the coffin on the other side of the room.
He goes, what's going on?
We said, ah, she's not in her suitcase anymore.
And being a man of the cough, did he appreciate where you were all coming from on this one?
Well, we were kind of walking past him and he goes, well, you know, I'm sure he's heard all kinds of stories.
And this was probably one of the more unusual ones.
Okay.
Well, you know, it's a wonderful story.
And the fact that your mother was not in the place where most people would have thought she would be, in other words, in the casket, but actually standing next to a wall and wanting to communicate with you, that's a rather beautiful story in its own way, I think.
Yeah.
Okay.
Chapter six then, which I would summarize as a playful spirit in a Hollywood house that you renovated.
A spirit that wanted to, against, nothing that wanted to terrorize you, just something that wanted to mess with you.
Right.
We had some psychics that were friends of mine to come over and say, well, what are we going to do with her?
She was eight years old.
Her name was Anna Elizabeth Marie.
And we said, you know, why don't you go with your family?
Why do you want to stay here?
She liked the house.
She liked being there.
So this was a house that you were, as we say here, doing up, but it came with an uninvited presence there that was there before you were there.
Yes.
Yes.
And her room was up on the third floor of a turret.
And that was the bedroom up there that was Anna's bedroom.
The turret?
That makes it sound like the Bates Motel.
Gee.
So quite an imposing place.
An English tutor.
Oh, really?
Oh, very good.
Sorry for the illusion there.
It was just something I saw in my head.
Okay, so there you have this girl who'd lived in the turret.
Yes.
She would do things that kids would do.
You know, at three in the morning, the television goes on.
I've got to go all the way downstairs into the living room, turn it off.
Halfway back upstairs, she turns it back on again.
And I have to yell at her.
I'd say, you know, I'm trying to sleep.
I know you want attention, but let's do this tomorrow.
And then, you know, she would leave it off.
Lights going on and off.
There was always something slamming doors.
When she got angry, she would just slam doors.
I think anybody else would have just ran out of that house, terrorized, screaming, why are the doors slamming?
And I'm just standing in the middle of the room yelling at Anna to stop making all the noise.
You know, people are trying to sleep.
Would you please stop?
So it was a wonderful relationship.
I never asked her to move on.
I would just ask her to be aware that she's interfering with the human experience here.
And something that will be a bit of a revelation to some people is that when you die as a child, and I don't know the circumstances of her death, perhaps you can tell me, but when you die as a child, you don't become an adult.
You stay as a child in some circumstances and you remain where you departed.
Well, that I think it's a choice.
I mean, she manifested to me as a child, but I think our spirit doesn't have an age.
I just was describing this on a show the other day, and they were asking, if you die as a child, is your spirit trapped as a child?
And I said, no, no.
We have different timelines.
The spirits have a linear timeline.
Ours is circular.
We're on this planet that's rotating.
So that's where that is.
And when spirits want to manifest for us, we're humans.
We relate to seeing them as a human.
So she manifested as she died and she enjoyed being there.
She wasn't trapped.
I don't believe the difference between a ghost and a spirit.
They're both spirits, but I think a ghost somewhere got lost and has a connection to a house or a hotel or being somewhere where they call it being haunted because it has a ghost who's happy there.
So she was happy there for the time.
I go by the house now.
I don't feel that she's there anymore.
I think she has moved on.
So how is it possible then in the case of a girl?
And I don't think you've told me yet how she died, but how is it possible for her to eventually find her way?
She always, we were going to connect her with her family.
She didn't want to go with them at that moment.
So I guess maybe after I sold the house and the new owners were there, this is a funny story.
One year after I sold the house, I got a text from the new owner and she said, Rick, why didn't you tell us the house is haunted?
My response was, Lisa, you never asked me.
So it's kind of its need to know then, is it?
Well, the realtors advised me that I shouldn't make it known that the house is haunted.
It might deter some people from purchasing.
I don't know.
There are those who might be put off.
There are those, of course, who might be attracted.
You know, they might be attracted to the place.
Yes, it comes with its own security system.
So what was she doing to the new owner?
Anna really liked cats.
There was an outdoor cat that I got very attached to.
And the cat was run over at one point.
And that was when all the doors started slamming for a period of like half an hour.
I'd run downstairs because it sounded like the door was being blown off the hinges and there was nothing moved.
And I'd go back to the living room.
The upstairs door would smash close.
And I'd go upstairs and there was nothing broken.
But it went on for some time.
And I said, look, if you're mad, I did not kill the cat.
Whoever it was, you know, ran over the cat, go after them.
But if you break anything, I'm not going to fix it.
The house is going to fall down and you're not going to have a place to live.
And there was like one final boom in the living room and she stopped doing all of that.
It was possible to rationalize with them.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
How did she die?
You haven't told me.
What I was getting was her father had something.
It was built in 1927 and there was something going around at the time.
I don't know if it was a flu virus or something, but had gotten into the family and the kids, and that's how they died.
I mean, that's highly likely.
You know, we forget that in previous generations, children died in childhood at an alarming rate.
They certainly did in the UK.
My own mother had a very bad chest infection.
It went onto her lungs, and she almost died.
She, in fact, had a near-death experience.
She described a beautiful place that she went to, and they told her that it wasn't her time, and they sent her back.
So thankfully, she came back to be my mum.
But it was a very common experience for children to contract various illnesses that would claim their lives, potentially.
That's a great story.
And I tell people, you know, the people that see the tunnel of light with their relatives and they're telling them to come back are the ones that aren't ready to go.
And they ask me, well, how can these spirits all get lost?
How are they lost over there?
And I said, because there's no tunnel of light.
It is their time.
But when they transition quickly, unexpectedly, was it an accident?
Was it a suicide?
Was it an overdose?
It's a very quick transition.
And sometimes they don't know where they are.
And a lot of times they don't know they're dead.
So I have to be the newsbreaker and say, I'm sorry.
You don't have shoes on.
Do you see your legs?
And they'd say, no.
I said, well, you don't have a body.
You have transitioned.
Congratulations.
You're at the next level of enlightenment.
And that assumes that once they come to that realization or you help them there, that there is something that they can instantly do and get onto the track that they're supposed to be on.
What is it that they're supposed to do at that point?
Sometimes they're stubborn.
They just want to hang out because they see things the same way that they did when they had a body.
But something's not right.
They know it's not right.
They can't figure it out.
You know, they're not eating.
They're not going to the bathroom.
They're not hungry.
But they're still feeling the emotion and they're still seeing the life and everything.
And they like being there.
So that's a very sad situation, isn't it, to be caught between one world and the next.
It is.
And one of the manifestations I got was I have an umbilical cord connection of light to my mother, to her mother, to her mother, to every spirit around the planet with or without a body.
They don't like me to say that they're dead because they're not.
It's just a spirit.
We're all spirits with or without a body.
And that connection is, I think, what it's all about.
So when they are lost, my job seems to be to reconnect them back where they're family, where they're supposed to be.
And then I get this like overwhelming joy and happiness from them.
So I know that that's a confirmation that they're doing the right thing.
None of our lives will be infinite.
We all have to pass at some point.
Most of us don't want to think about that.
I guess you've given it some thought.
Have you got a plan for yourself?
Is there a way that you can arrange for yourself to transition nicely?
Well, you know, I've got this great connection with grandma.
So I'd say, grandma, make sure it's not, I don't want it to be painful.
It's got to be like, you know, really nice.
I want to be asleep and just not wake up.
No, I think a lot of us wish for that when that time comes, and we all hope it's going to be a long way away.
Chapter 7.
Hotel in San Francisco.
You are aware of weird things happening here.
And then somebody comes up to you, I think it was your host, and says, it's just that some of the guests swear that they hear something running down the hall at night.
And you followed up with, and falling into my door.
What a place to stay.
Yeah, that's that was one of those.
This is a ghost that was obviously trapped.
And this was possibly how he died.
So one of the things that they do try to give us as far as information is their last moments on earth.
How did they die?
They like showing us that.
So unless this was somebody who was drunk, falling down the hallway and smashing into a doorway, maybe smashed his head and died there.
I don't know.
But it happened like three times in a row.
I was alone in the hotel room and you could hear somebody running down the hall and the doorway would shake, boom, with somebody crashing into it.
And you open up the door and there's nobody there.
I'm like, hello?
And after the third time, I said, okay, that's enough.
You got to stop.
I get the point.
Now go sleep or whatever.
So that was their message is that they just repeatedly wanted you to know that that's how they died.
And that's the message.
Yeah.
And if I had known at the time, I probably could have had a conversation and said, you need to go with your family.
Running into doorways incessantly cannot be a fun job.
Time to move on.
Here's a story I've never told on any of my shows before, and maybe this is the time to tell it.
Just wondering whether you believe in synchronicities.
A long time ago now, it's more than 20 years ago, it was before I moved into the apartment that I've lived for many years.
And there was a Christmas party being held in the place that I was then living.
It's just before I moved to my current apartment.
So, you know, it was in my last rented accommodation.
And it was a nice place to live.
And the person who lived next door to me was a British Airways cabin crew, flew on Concord.
There were a lot of British Airways people there because it's the part of London that's not far from the airport.
So a lot of them lived there.
And they were going to have a nice Christmas party.
And I had always to get up early for work.
I worked on Capital Radio in London.
I used to do the early shift.
So I had to be up early.
So I thought, I'm going to give myself a treat here.
I'm going to book myself into a hotel and avoid the Christmas party that will keep me awake all night so I can be up at four o'clock and go on the radio feeling fresh rather than go on the radio feeling half dead.
So I did that.
I booked into a hotel not far from where I am now living.
And the owner of the hotel didn't exactly handle this situation too brilliantly, but that's another story.
As I was booking in, the only other guest was booking in.
It was a woman.
And I just said hi, and that was the only contact with her that I had.
Little did I know she was the only other guest, and they put her in the room next door to me.
And I got to a stage where one o'clock in the morning, I'm smelling, maybe, maybe midnight, cigarette smoke coming through the wall.
It was horrible.
I hate that.
And the next thing, I can't sleep.
With that cigarette smell, I just can't sleep.
And I'm beginning to think, what a disaster.
I've paid to stay in this place to avoid the party.
I should have braved the party and not bothered staying in the hotel.
Anyway, story of this was that by the time 2 o'clock, 2.30 came, there was groaning and moaning outside my door.
And I ignored it for a while because I thought, you know, what people do in hotel rooms is a matter for them kind of thing.
It's nothing to do with me.
Eventually, I opened the door to find this woman in a silk nightgown lying across my doorway.
And the story was that she had taken an overdose of alcohol and pills and that she would certainly have died had I not been in the room next to her and had I not been a deep sleeper.
She would have died.
And I was able to get the emergency services.
They took her to hospital.
I later found out that she had come through.
I don't know what became of her.
I hope she was okay.
I think maybe there was some trauma or issue in her life.
And subsequently, the hotel owner didn't refund me for my night.
He could have had a death in his hotel, which I'd saved him from, but he didn't want to refund me any money at all.
He said, I'll give you a bottle of wine.
I said, just don't bother.
But I was very pleased that I was able to effectively save that woman's life.
The point of the story is that I always believed that something cosmically wanted me to be there in order that she would not die, which she would have done because the owner of the hotel was in the building next door.
So there was nobody else in that building and she would have passed away that night very sadly had I not been there.
And I think something meant that situation to transpire.
Long story.
Sorry about that.
No, that's a great story.
I get electrical confirmations from my guides when something is right on or I'm telling somebody something that they need to hear.
And as you're telling the story, I was getting electrical impulses in my head and goosebumps all over my body.
So that was a great, great, great story.
I think obviously it was not her time.
There are spirits around us that talk us into things, you know, the lonely spirits that want company.
And if this was a spirit that was attached to her trying to tell her, you know, yes, you should kill yourself so you can join me on the other side.
But it was not her time.
So what's going to save her?
And why was she lying outside your door?
If she was going to kill herself, she would have just stayed in her room and closed the door.
I think she just used the, I think she probably took all of that cocktail.
So many people do.
She took the cocktail, very sad, the cocktail of drugs and the drink.
And then she decided, this is not how I want to go.
It's a horrible way to go, which it is.
And so she had one last bit to save herself.
But, you know, she would not have survived had synchronicity not made me the person, the only other person staying in that hotel and happened to put me in the room directly next to her.
That's brilliant.
That's a great, great, great story.
If I was one of those people, and I've known many in my life who can sleep through anything, I would have slept through the entire thing.
And I probably would have found her outside my door, you know, at four o'clock in the morning when I went to work.
So I'm very pleased that I was a little part of her story.
But I've always believed that something up there put me there in order that she didn't die because it was definitely not her time.
And, you know, it may have been something to do with a boyfriend or something.
We'll never know, but I just hope she got through.
Good for you.
That's a great, great story.
Well, it's one of many in my life.
But anyway, let's get back to your life more importantly.
There was, you've lived in a number of properties.
This is chapter 8.
It was another house that you lived in.
You lived there for a few months and you would wake up, you say, in the book, to the sound of voices in the living room.
At first, you thought it was all coming from outside.
Maybe one of the neighbors was having a party.
Your house was on a private street.
It wasn't well lit.
So there were never people kind of just going past for a casual stroll.
So you had to work out, and there were no house guests there, you know, who or what was having a conversation in your home.
This was the same house with Anna.
Now it's still chapter eight, I think.
And it got to the point where she was bringing other guests home.
Really?
So she was able to direct other spirits to come and be with her.
There would be odd things.
I would be walking through my dining room on my way going upstairs to bed, and it was like all the air was taken out of the room and some large thing was sitting on your chest.
You could just feel this compression on your chest, like something was here and it was really big and heavy.
And I'd say, Ana, I don't know who you brought home, but would you please send them back?
We don't need them here.
So, you know, then that would be the last of that.
She was very good with the televisions and it got to the point where I always thought the television was on.
But I heard the voices and a party and I, you know, opened my door and I was on my way downstairs to turn off the television and it wasn't on.
And as soon as I realized that, then the voices And the party noises stopped.
And I would say things like, oh, fine, you're having a party.
You didn't invite me.
How dare you?
You know, and I said, I'm trying to sleep.
Could you just not do this anymore?
So it was all the, it was a whole series of things that she did while we were in that house.
Can you turn off your receptivity to all of this?
Or does it, from the book gives the impression that you're somebody who is constantly followed around by these things?
I have people will run up to me directly in my face and say, oh, can you see my guides?
How many guides do I have?
Can you tell me about it?
I said, well, no, no, I don't want to like open that door.
If I open up that door and that information starts pouring in, I'll need an hour.
We're going to sit down and I'll tell you all about it.
My guides kind of protect me from that.
So it's more selective as to what information is going to come in.
You talk about in the book, you talk about a trip to Quebec in Canada.
And for some, you went on a ghost tour.
We call it a busman's holiday here.
You know, you would have thought that you would want to get away from that.
But you went to Quebec, you went on a ghost tour, and you found yourself getting a massive, I think we call it today, a download of information, but not in French, because this is French Canada.
It was a download of information in English.
Well, first of all, I have to say, the ghost tour was nothing.
Not to poo-poo them, but this was this.
He was dressed in a garb with the big hat and a lantern and, you know, going around and showing us places where many people died.
That doesn't mean there's ghosts there.
And I told him after the tour, I said, that was a nice tour, lovely tour, but I didn't feel anything.
I didn't feel any ghosts.
He goes, yeah, most of the ghosts are in the hotels.
And we're not allowed to tell people that because then people won't stay in the hotel.
Okay.
I said, oh, all right.
So our last day in Quebec, we're coming back from lunch.
We're going up to this big hill at the top.
It was this beautiful old Victorian home.
And I just got goosebumps from head to toe.
And I looked up in the window upstairs and I could see an old man shaking his finger at me.
And I asked my friend Claude, I said, do you see in that window?
He said, no, I don't see anything.
I said, well, there's somebody there.
And then it was just like that little doorway of information opened up.
He had his family there.
He was very happy there.
They turned it into a restaurant downstairs, the whole living room and out on the porch, all these tables and chairs.
And they had people over every night.
It was a big thing.
And then something happened.
They closed the restaurant and the family moved.
And he's in this house alone.
It's for sale.
And he's very unhappy.
And you're right.
I was thinking, well, if this probably they only speak French, why am I understanding everything?
Information, because he's not speaking to me with a mouth.
And it's not dialogue I'm hearing.
I'm being downloaded like binary code information.
Information doesn't have a language.
That was the only way I could really interpret how it was that I was getting this information from him.
And as we looked, we went up and looked in the windows and you could see the tables and chairs.
You could see the old menu stands and all, and everything was verified.
We went around to the back and there was an extension on the back of the house.
He didn't like that being there because that's where I think somebody was buried and they covered it up and all this history.
And I said, okay, this is too much information.
Let's go.
As I started walking away, I felt weight on my shoulders and my heart was going a million miles an hour.
And I said, he's kind of like joined us now.
He's coming with us.
And I was like, this has to stop.
I had to explain to him that I'm not buying the house, but someone will be coming there soon, probably in the next six months.
It'll be a family and you'll have activity in the house again, but you have to be there and take care of the house.
You cannot go with me.
So that was a huge bit of information.
And that made me realize how I probably need to protect myself more because if these spirits are around all the time, I didn't want to be accosted all the time.
But it was a fascinating story and very intense.
It was physically intense.
I could feel him on me.
And I was breaking out in a sweat.
My heart's palpitating.
And it was a very big emotional reaction to it all.
Do you ever ask the question in the midst of all of these things?
Why me?
Why have they picked me?
They see like a crack in the armor.
They see a way in.
They know that there's a connection.
There's an empathetic ability to see them.
Other people, it's like, you know, bouncing off ice.
It's like, oh, they can't get in.
They can't get in.
Or people don't want them in.
Or people just don't want to take the time to see what's around them.
As the world gets more and more populated, I say that we are surrounded by more ghosts and spirits all the time.
You don't have to go to a haunted hotel to see them.
They're probably right next to you.
But most of your experiences seem to be, by and large, nice ones.
But what we're told, if we read enough books and we speak with enough people, is that there are malevolent presences.
You don't seem to have come across that many, if any.
Well, if a spirit's talking you into suicide, into killing yourself, is that malevolent?
I would say yes.
I have to say I've never heard of a case of that, but yeah.
So malevolent is termed evil.
So what I do is I look at both sides of the coin.
I see the human experience and then I look at the spirit that's around them and say, well, what are you doing?
You're annoying this human.
Is this fun for you?
Or now you're that lost and lonely that you want their spirit with you.
And that's why you're talking them into suicide.
You talk about your clients and these people who are affected.
And we talked at the beginning of this about the clients.
How do they find you?
Do you advertise yourself as a presence clearer, as a psychic medium?
How do these people come to you?
That is a good question.
I do not advertise.
People will hear about what I do.
They will have a connection to what I do.
They'll have an understanding of what it is, or they'll be referred to me.
Other people that do similar work in Los Angeles, and I have some hypnotherapists that are brilliant at what they do, but if they know that someone's dealing with something that might be an entity around them, they go, oh, no, no, you got to talk to Rick.
And I'll instantly feel something around them and be able to help them.
So I suppose, you know, everybody likes to pigeonhole other people and give them a title.
Do you call yourself an energy clearer?
What do you call yourself?
The radio shows I got a nickname of being the ghost doctor.
The ghost doctor?
I like it.
The ghost doctor.
So I have to explain, I'm not a doctor.
I do not prescribe medication.
But what I do is I'm a doctor for the ghost.
If there's something around you, let's take care of that.
Let's figure out why it's there and have it relocated or where it's supposed to be.
Then you can heal yourself.
Okay.
You say in the book in 2012, as your client list was growing, you started getting requests for something else.
People were sensing something in their homes that wasn't just stuck energy.
There was something heavier and darker that seemed to be turning up.
I was remembering what the other spiritualists and psychics had told me years ago.
Be careful in pursuing ghosts.
You don't know what you're getting into.
They would tell me, of course, I don't know what I'm getting into.
That's because nobody would tell me anything.
I felt like if they were to actually say what it was I was supposed to fear, then that would manifest the fear and make it into a reality.
So you're talking about people coming to you with things that are dark, but you are almost innocent in your approach to whatever those things may be.
Yeah, because I haven't seen evil.
I have not seen it.
I have experienced a client was trying to get rid of a voodoo curse, and I don't see that because there's no emotional attachment there.
And I think those kinds of things manifest if you believe it.
I was going to say that.
I mean, such things, from what I understand, only really have any power if you allow them to.
It's almost psychological in the way that they work.
If you don't believe that there is any power involved, the chances are they're not going to have any impact on you.
I say it's like gum on your shoe.
It's annoying.
Just kick it off and it'll go away.
So what did you tell that person?
with the voodoo?
Hmm.
Um...
I don't know.
It's kind of like you just shine enough light into something and it will melt.
It'll dissolve.
It'll just go away.
And you just keep shining your light into something like that.
And don't give it a thought.
Don't let it even take hold in your mind.
Don't even acknowledge it.
So you told this person just to ignore it and it will go away.
Yeah.
Okay.
I hear what you say.
Chapter 12, Ghost Messages.
What I have learned.
How do you know if you have ghosts around you?
Pay attention to the signs around you, especially to the songs that you hear in your head.
Sometimes it will sound like a song you're hearing in another room, but it's actually a reignited memory telling you that somebody is around you and trying to get your attention.
So you talk about the ways that ghosts or presences will try and attract our attention.
Yeah, it's a sweet memory.
I would be doing the dishes and a song came into my head, Peg of My Heart.
My dad was raised in the Bronx with Irish music.
And so we grew up listening to all kinds of Irish music and peg of my heart.
I mean, I didn't even remember the song or the lyrics.
And here I'm singing it while I'm doing dishes.
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, where's this coming from?
Oh, dad.
Oh, hi.
You know, what can I do for you?
How are you doing today?
So it's them wanting to know that they're there and they're just checking in on you and how are you?
And it's really comforting.
It's wonderful.
So when you hear those things, pay attention to them.
You'll see signs.
You'll see a girl had taken a picture of the license plate of the car in front of her that said B-I-G-G-A.
And that was her mother's nickname for her nieces and nephews.
They called her Bigger because she was the Bigger mother over the other one.
And she goes, you just, you see these little signs.
And it's not random.
It's actually a wonderful reaffirmment of the connection that you have to your family, usually.
I mean, I don't know whether it's to do with spirits, but it's to do with something.
Whenever I'm due to leave a radio station, I will hear one particular song.
And sometimes that song I will even physically hear over the speaker in the reception area as I'm leaving that radio station for the last time.
I've worked at a lot of radio stations.
And sometimes, you know, I will actually hear it being played by somebody in a studio, but that song will be around.
There is another song.
There are two songs.
I won't tell you what they are.
I'm very superstitious about them.
But there is another song that I will hear just before I get made an offer of something.
And that song invariably appears.
It makes me laugh every time.
These two things keep happening to me, and they've been happening to me for more than 25 years.
So I don't think it's unusual anymore, but I don't know what's generating it.
It's as if somebody knows what the plan is and just showing me along the way little signposts towards it, which probably makes me sound like a crazy man, but I swear this is true.
Not at all.
Chances are it's like Spirit of Your Grandmother, possibly, that's letting you know things are okay.
And I'm going to play that song just to let you know things are okay.
Well, I once told a guy that I worked with on the radio in London, a famous man called Chris Tarrant, who is very well known in the United Kingdom.
And I used to be on his show.
And foolishly, I mentioned this thing on the air about the song that I hear whenever I'm leaving a radio station.
And he used to kid on to the audience that he wanted me to leave.
So he'd say, Oh, I've got a feeling you're going to be leaving.
And he'd play the song deliberately.
But, you know, when the time came when I actually did leave, I heard the song.
And that's happened so many times.
So I'm a little superstitious about it.
I don't know what exactly this is.
I don't believe it's coincidence.
I don't know what it is.
And I'm not crazy.
Those are the things that I do know.
When you acknowledge it, just say thank you.
Yeah, no, I do.
I smile and I say, okay.
The story is ongoing is what I tend to say.
Thank you for sharing your story with me, Rick.
Why did you write the book?
Last question.
Mostly because I wanted my clients to know where I came from and how I am doing the healing work that I'm doing now.
And I had no idea it would be so well received.
Of course, if I was talking to you on mainstream radio in the UK, if we were broadcast, there are very tight regulations in the United Kingdom for the kinds of things that you can broadcast.
And we would have to make, and we did make this point at the beginning of this, that sometimes people come to you with medical issues and it is for you to tell them not to discontinue the treatment that they are having.
And that what you do, if they choose to go down that path, runs in parallel with those things.
I think it's very important to make that point.
And if we were on radio here, I would have to very firmly make that point.
Yes, and it is.
But I am not giving them medical advice.
I'm having a communication with the spirits that's attached to them and relocating them so that they can have joy of life again without pain, without the anxiety, without the depression.
Well, last question then.
I'm advising them to change anything.
But I have a Yelp page.
I've got a website.
There's reviews of the book on Amazon.
So if you want to read about what the clients are actually saying and the responses that I've gotten, they've all been tremendous, absolutely tremendous.
I'm so grateful and appreciative of the work.
Okay, here comes what will be the last question.
And thank you for this conversation, Rick.
I'm sorry, I know I said the last one was I lied.
They call me at work, Mr. One More Question, because I always come out with another one, even when they think I'm about to finish.
So sorry for that.
It's quite annoying for some people.
Has there ever been a spirit that did not want to be relocated, that did not want to be acquainted with the fact that you are stuck on an earthly plane, you shouldn't be here, it's time you went?
Have you ever come across that or do they always go voluntarily?
Is it always like the old cop shows?
You know, they always go.
Once the handcuffs are put on, they always go.
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
I have a client in Florida who was super sensitive and seeing things and moved into this apartment.
And he said, Rick, I can't sleep.
They're shaking my bed at night.
My God.
I can't sleep here.
I mean, this is the tip of the iceberg.
I haven't even gotten into the stories yet.
So we'll have to do this again sometime.
But he was like, there is something here and he can't see it.
So during the session, I found this young boy.
His name was Jorge.
This is down in Florida.
And he had died of an overdose.
And the apartment next door, they were partiers.
There were things going on in there with drugs and all this.
But Jorge was stuck between the walls in the bathroom and the apartment next door and was sort of reaching out to my client to get help.
And he was shaking the bed, but he wasn't getting the message.
He was just terrified.
Why are you shaking the bed?
So Jorge had to be relocated.
And I asked him, I said, do you want to be connected to your mom or your dad?
And he said, no, I hate my family.
I don't want to go with them.
I said, well, unfortunately, you're going to have to go with your family.
And he didn't want to go.
He was being very adamant.
I said, how about, you know, any of the relatives?
How about your aunt?
So I had to get his aunt who had transitioned and his uncle and then their guides.
And it was like a spiritual intervention.
Said, no, you don't understand.
You can't be here.
This isn't a good place for you.
We are taking you away.
So that was forcibly relocating him to where it was supposed to go.
And he was able to sleep.
No more bed shaking and everything changed after that.
And he was happy ever after.
Great story.
We'll have to talk again.
You have a website.
If people want to communicate with you after they've heard you on here, if they want to tell you what they think of your stories, if they want to know more about you, what's that website?
MyhauntedReality.com.
Rick Wagner.
Rick Wagner, a pleasure to speak with you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Howard.
Rick Wagner.
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Thank you very much if you have recently.
More great guests in the pipeline.
The next show will be about Australia's yaoi and we'll do some shout-outs as well.
So until next, we meet.
My name is Howard Hughes.
This has been The Unexplained.
I am in London and please stay safe.
Please stay calm.
And above all, please stay in touch.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
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