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March 6, 2018 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 335 - Calista

Are Unicorns real? Energy healer Calista... in Scotland... thinks the answer's a strongyes...

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Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
Well, I think we've all been through quite a week or so here in the United Kingdom.
We've had a lot of snow here, but unusually, in fact, it's the first time in my life.
Certainly where I live, and I know I live in the south of England, which tends to be warmer, of course, than the north, where I was born and brought up.
The snow fell hard and stuck here.
And I'm thinking, oh, God, I hate this stuff.
And it's going to foul up the transport.
We're just not ready for these things in the UK.
We're going to have weeks of trouble here.
And bizarrely, within less than half a day, the snow melted and went away.
And it now seems we're in the beginnings of spring.
That was last week.
And it also coincided with me finally going down with the flu.
So I spent most of last week in bed, and that's why I'm a little bit behind on the podcast.
I got out to do my radio show on the Sunday night.
Got on air, got through it, and realized maybe that wasn't the best idea I've ever had, because I was quite ill doing the radio show.
But the funny thing is, there is a thing that colleagues of mine have often referred to called doctor radio.
And it's something that sees you through even when you feel terrible because you positively, absolutely have to do it.
And I think that applied there, definitely.
I don't think anybody would have noticed apart from the odd cough.
And then I came home from the radio show and just collapsed into bed and was there for most of the week.
And, you know, my voice is still a little bit kind of there, but I'm fine.
If you're suffering from the flu or you've been through it recently, you have my sympathies.
I'm going to get to some shout-outs, not nearly enough on this edition.
I will try and get through some more.
But please believe me that I see each and every email as it comes in, and your emails are very important to me, not only for getting your feedback, but also for your guest suggestions and just knowing that you're there.
So when you get in touch, please tell me who you are, where you are, and how you like to use this show.
So shout-outs coming up.
Thank you very much to Adam at Creative Hotspot.
The new website should be online by next month, which is good news.
I've got to take a look at a preview of it.
And I've also got to learn how to use it before I do it.
But it is, what do they say, as the Americans say, in beta, in beta format.
So at the moment.
So we have to kind of test it out and stuff.
But it will be coming soon.
It will have functionality the present website doesn't have.
If you've made a donation recently, by the way, thank you very much indeed for that.
All of those things, messages to me, donations, can come via my website, the current one or the new one, theunexplained.tv.
Always nice to hear from you.
What else have I got to say?
Oh, on this edition, I'm trying out something.
You might hear a small difference.
I'm trying out one of the great broadcasting microphones.
It is, for those of you who know these things, the Sennheiser 441.
And I'm just trying it, trialing it at the moment.
I'm not sure whether you're going to think this sounds more intimate, but I know that a lot of American radio stations use this one, or certainly did in the past.
So I'm just giving it a go.
And tell me what you think.
Because I know some of you do radio, or you're very interested in these things, or you're musicians.
So your thoughts are very gratefully received about this.
It is the Sennheiser 441.
And if you want to be a real what we call Anorak here, it's got the bass filter on position two.
And the treble, I think, is flat.
No time to check it now.
Okay, shout-outs before the guest, and the guest is Callista.
On this edition, we're going to be talking about unicorns.
I think it's time we did something like this.
You know, we've done a lot of science and UFOs and hard stuff.
So I think we should do something completely different.
By the, just before I get to the shout-outs and Callista, one other thing to mention.
I've recently visited one of the hubs of science in the UK, the NPL, the National Physical Laboratory in Teddington, southwest London, where they do some of the most cutting-edge science in the world.
I have been privileged to meet some of the scientists behind it.
I did about two hours of recordings.
You'll hear some of that material here on this show.
They are people who are working on the front line of cancer research and treatment.
People working on hydrogen cars, which I didn't realize are very close to being a reality and being on our roads day to day.
I've even seen a hydrogen car and driven in it.
Seen the petrol station that they have for hydrogen cars on the site.
We're going to talk about the revolutionary material graphene and many other things with some of the top scientists at the NPL on the future edition of this show coming soon, as soon as I can get time to process all the material.
I actually went there the day I came down with flu.
And then life went silly, and I lost a lot of time.
But that's a whole other issue.
Missing time, there's a good subject.
Let's do some shout-outs before we get to Callista.
Herb in Nakisky, Alaska, great location, Herb, said you heard my mentioning a fellow American criticising my interview with Travis Walton.
What nonsense, says Herb.
Ignore him.
I listen to paranormal podcasts from many different sources.
You are the best host and moderator of them all, far and away.
Well, that's very, very kind of you.
And, you know, if you want to criticise the show, that's fine.
But it's just good to get the opposite view, too.
And Herb, thank you very much for that.
It's appreciated.
James Callahan, thank you for your guest suggestions.
Ditto to Mark Hayhurst.
You've made some good ones.
Thanks, Mark.
Emails about Michael Tellinger, the last guest, have been coming in thick and fast, many of them critical, I have to say, from people like Ken and Patrick and many, many others.
Gene, a regular emailer to the show, is perhaps representative.
He says, in some ways, Michael Tellinger's interesting.
I've always been amenable to utopian ideas, radical economic thinking, and unorthodox theories.
I eagerly await the outcome of Mayor Ron Higgins' contributionist experiment in North Frontenac.
That's interesting.
Maybe I should talk with that person, too.
I have misgivings about Michael Tellinger, says Gene.
He gets off to a bad start by declaring everything under the sun is a lie.
Well, I'm not sure whether he Did quite that, but he did question an awful lot, Gene.
You're right.
You didn't question his most glaring contradiction.
He harshly denounces money and capitalism, but brags on about the vast amounts of money and investment that will be flowing into the contributionist communities.
Okay, well, I don't think he called his model communism.
In fact, he responded to that, didn't he, fairly forcefully when I put that point to him.
But I think he recognizes, and I don't want to speak for him here, that there has to be some form of currency that comes in.
Otherwise, transactions of the kind that he talks about can't be done.
Maybe I should get him back and maybe I should put some of your points to him.
And when I say your, I mean not only Gene, but everybody who emailed about Michael Tellinger, who is a big force and a big name in South Africa, we have to say, with his Ubuntu movement.
Mike, thank you very much for your email.
Mike says, I've been meaning to send you something for ages.
Times have been really tough.
I'm a carpenter living in South Croydon, so thank you very much for the donation, Mike.
And if you've made a donation, thank you very much.
He says, I love listening to your radio show and your podcast.
I listen in my van, and I think you've changed the way that I think about things.
The children call me a conspiracy theorist.
I say I'm a truth seeker.
Maybe there's a fine line dividing those two things, Mike.
I don't know.
But I don't care what people call me.
Truthseeker's a good label to have, though.
Maybe we can share that one.
David, who's also in Croydon, thank you for your email.
George, who's not far away in Guildford, not far from me.
Scott Hathaway, many thanks for your email.
Tom, who says that he's my number one fan in the home of the grand old Opry, Nashville, Tennessee.
Thank you for that, Tom.
Rog Vogal in Fresno, California.
Thank you for your email.
Timothy Carth, John in Birmingham, Fraser, Martin Holmes, Bob Heck, Paul Burroughs, Richard Daniels, thank you for your contacts.
Michael Bonich, I think is the way to pronounce that.
Sorry if I got that wrong, is no fan of Catherine Austin Fitz.
But I have to say that many people were, but also there were critical voices in that.
Particular podcast.
Heather in the Bahamas.
Good to hear from you again, Heather.
Paul in Manchester, who says, ignore the Moners.
Thanks, Paul.
A bit of Northwest Stoicism there, being a fellow Northwestern, as you know.
The person who wanted me to name that tune.
There used to be a TV program in the UK called Name That Tune.
They play a tune, and some celebrities would dither about trying to name it.
He wants to know the theme music that I'm using for the radio show.
It is Junior Walker and the All-Stars and Walk in the Night, one of the greatest Motown tracks in the world ever.
I think originally released in 72 or 73 and a big hit both sides of the Atlantic.
Junior Walker and the All-Stars, Walk in the Night.
The music for the podcast, though, was specially composed by Martin.
Martin, if you're ever hearing these shows these days, I hope you're okay.
Finally, in the shout-out to the anonymous listener who repairs sewing machines for a living and listens to me while doing that, doing that and made me laugh unstoppably.
Sadly, you're anonymous, but thank you very much for putting a smile on my face with your email.
You know what you said.
All right, let's get to the guest on this edition.
We're going to be talking unicorns here with Callista.
So, Callista, thank you very much for coming on my show.
It's great to be here.
Thank you, Hammer.
Now, I was telling my listener that we've had a pretty rotten winter down here in the south, but you're up in, well, near Perth in Scotland.
That's an awful long way from London, and it's been an awful lot colder and more snowy up there from what I've been hearing.
Definitely has.
We have seen a lot of snow up here.
It feels like we're just getting prepared for moving into spring.
It feels very much like we're in hibernation with the snow covering the land right now.
Well, no, it's good news if we move into spring.
I don't really do winter, but I really can't moan about it because I think you have it far worse there than we will ever have it down here.
All right, then.
I don't know much about you, but I know that you're with one of the biggest publishing houses in this field, so that is always a good sign.
Talk to me about you, Callista.
Oh, where to begin?
So I am a writer and teacher of spiritual ascension and a mother of three boys.
And that's right, I recently signed up with Hay House to create a book called Unicorn Rising, which is an autobiographical take on my journey from a cancer research scientist,
that was my old life, all the way to a spiritual teacher and writer, and really how working with the unicorns and working with the nature spirits really helped me to transition from such polar extremes, from scientist to healer.
Okay, there's an awful lot in there to unpick, and it's all fascinating.
Cancer research scientists, now look, I went to the National Physical Laboratory.
I was also telling my listener about this very recently, where they're doing absolutely cutting-edge research into the nature of cancer cells, and they're putting them through spectrometers and other devices that I really didn't understand.
They're doing some cutting-edge work.
Why would you want to transition from something like that, which is very evidence-based, to something which, by the sounds of those things you just said, is completely the opposite?
It is, it is, until you come into that reality.
And then there is so much evidence.
And when I first started, of course, I believed that I didn't really believe in unicorns, to be honest, or angels or anything like that.
But I always had a drive to help people, like so many people in the spiritual new age field.
We all seem to have this passion to support each other, to really thrive in life.
So I always had that.
But why would I leave science?
Well, I saw just the extent of how much the pharmaceutical industry really commercialize health.
And slowly but surely, I'd started to edge away from wanting to be part of that.
And I felt myself wanting to really help people more in a one-to-one basis.
And so I started to learn Reiki and other forms of alternative healing.
And then after, I think it was six months after becoming a Reiki teacher, I left science completely because it just really was not for me anymore.
It was such a, for want of a better word, a muggle world.
It was a very third dimensional, everybody out for themselves.
You know, that would surprise.
A lot of people would be very surprised because we all have this sort of Mary Curie vision of scientists being there.
And of course, we know that very, very, very many of them are for the greater good and having altruistic motives.
And you're telling me that a lot of it from what you saw was prestige and money-driven, ego-driven.
It was, it was.
And don't get me wrong, there was many people there, completely heart-centered, there to help people.
And I just saw so much of the commercialization and it just didn't sit well with me.
And the more that I was involved in alternative healing, the more my awareness grew.
And I just felt I cannot be part of this.
I can't be authentic and be here every day when I know that what I'm doing doesn't really seem to be helping the end user.
I was just a very small cog in a huge big wheel.
And yeah, but there is, there's many scientists, of course, who are heart-centered and doing it for the right reasons.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, I understand that.
And some of the people in the world that you left behind will completely understand it.
Maybe some of them want to make that move themselves, but others will have also said, here is somebody doing very good work in a very good field who's packed it all in, given it all up for a bunch of absolute mumbo-jumbo.
Yeah, and I did.
I had so much judgment from my peers, so much judgment.
And they couldn't understand.
They couldn't understand hands-on healing, the Reiki and the other forms of healing that I eventually navigated into.
They couldn't understand why waving your hands over somebody could heal them.
How can that be possible?
Surely pharmaceuticals are the way to heal the body.
But that was just from their perspective, which wasn't open-minded.
And so when I left science, a lot of my friends actually exited my life as well, including my fiancé at the time, because he was an academic.
He was doing his PhD at the time when we were together in sports, science and physiology.
And he, bless him, he just, although he wanted to understand, he was far too logical.
He couldn't reason.
Although he received a lot of hands-on healing from myself and he felt different, he felt more uplifted and ailments did start to leave.
He still couldn't understand why I would leave a stable, secure salary into this new field where, yes, you can't really see with your physical eyes what's going on, but you can certainly feel it.
It is still very visceral.
I want to believe in this kind of thing, and I want to believe that there are ways that you can heal that don't involve traditional medicine.
You know, it's something that I'd very much like to believe, and I've had a number of things in my life where some kind of external force would have been very useful.
And sometimes I think maybe my own mindset has made an enormous difference to conditions of various kinds that I've had.
But that's another issue.
It is something that is, it's a difficult territory to go into, I think, because it is misunderstood.
A lot of people say this kind of thing, and we'll get into exactly what this kind of thing is, is mumbo-jumbo.
It's so esoteric.
It's so out there that many people dismiss it without even a second thought.
If I tell you in my own case, I've probably had eight or ten different kinds of healing in my life.
And I can't honestly say, although the people were absolutely very lovable and marvelous, who did it in their different ways, I can't honestly say, although maybe in ways that I didn't know they did, I can't rationally say that they particularly helped.
This is not helping your cause, is it?
That's okay.
That's okay.
It would be a very boring world if we all had the same perspective.
And Howard, I was just like that.
I very much, before I got involved into Reiki and alternative healing and then eventually working with unicorns, nature spirits, angels and the like, I had the same vantage.
I really believed that pharmaceuticals were the way forward.
How could you heal the body through energy?
That just was nonsense to me.
And then I realized that, of course, we are energetic.
And this is not something that's just whimsical.
This is now being verified through physics.
There is a lot of research going on.
It's just unfortunately the research isn't widestream.
It's not peer-reviewed.
And so a lot of scientists don't believe that, for example, alternative healing modalities work.
But if we look at things like acupuncture, which say 30 years ago, or even 20 years ago, people would say that's just a lot of nonsense.
How can we heal the body through needles and the meridian lines?
How can that happen?
But now GPs are actually referring people to receive acupuncture.
Absolutely.
If we want to include acupuncture in that, I can give you a personal story.
As a journalist, and lots of journalists are affected by this, and I think the condition started in Australia.
I suffered very badly with repetitive strain injury.
I had a terrible case of it 20 years ago when I was very young doing this.
And I didn't know what to do.
It nearly ended my career.
I was in such agony.
I couldn't do anything.
And one of the things that helped me most, although I tried a number of practitioners and not all of them were particularly good, and one of them used ridiculously horrendous needles that looked like knitting needles for acupuncture, scared the living daylight out of me.
But I found one person in the south of England, and you're reminding me about this now.
So maybe I'm not such a hard-hearted skeptic about all of this.
I found one person in the south of England who used these very fine, delicate needles that were very precisely positioned.
And I couldn't feel them going in.
She was so good.
And they actually helped me.
I was in a terrible situation.
And somehow after I started having the acupuncture, I started to get better.
Of course, I was doing the exercises that the doctors were recommending and I was taking a certain amount of, and I wouldn't recommend people take these, you know, in great quantities because they are very powerful.
I was taking coproxamal painkillers and those sorts of things.
You know, I was having to do that.
But I found that the acupuncture massively helped me and I did start to get better.
So, you know, there is, it depends on where you draw the line, isn't it?
At one end of the spectrum, there's acupuncture.
And at the other end of the spectrum of alternative methods of solving whatever ails you, there are unicorns, which is what we're going to talk about.
That to me, when I first got the news release about your book, I thought, can I really do unicorns on this show?
Am I going to open myself up to a torrent of hate mail because I'm doing this topic?
But you know, I've got to stop talking now because I've rabbited on, but there's a spectrum, isn't there?
There is, yeah, there is a spectrum.
And I think what where we it all comes down to our perspective.
If someone is willing to try acupuncture, then I'm sure they would then apply things like herbal medicine, homeopathy, perhaps then things like hands-on healing, like Reiki.
And then slowly but surely, I see this.
I've been able for the last 10 years after leaving science to help a lot of people one-to-one and also in groups.
And I've seen so many different walks of life come into my sessions and come into my workshops.
And it seems to be a progression.
I don't think people just wake up one day and believe in unicorns and start working with them.
I think there has to be this natural transition.
But there certainly is within the spiritual community.
A lot of people are now leaning more towards opening up their perception to their being more within the earth, not just what they can physically see, but also in ether, everything else that's around us that we can't see in that spirit essence, if you like.
Did you have experiences before you left science of what we would call parapsychology, the paranormal?
Yes, I did.
I did, yeah.
A lot of my family were spiritualist mediums.
And if they weren't spiritualist mediums, they were midwives.
And if they weren't midwifes, they were nurses.
Everybody was very much always drawn towards the healing side.
But yeah, a lot of my family were spiritualist mediums.
So if you like, if you believe that these intuitive gifts are handed down through the generations, well, I had a lot of ancestral help in that way.
But my gran and my mum, I was a single parent, a single parent family.
So my mum and my gran, they raised me and they had such a fondness and a connection for the land.
It was almost like a pagan connection, although they weren't practicing pagans or anything like that.
They just were tuned into the land, something that really goes beyond words.
They just had this connection and I really admired it.
And when I was very young, say around about six or seven, I do remember being in my grand's garden and having conversations with fairies and picking crystals and picking stones and placing them under my pillow at night time and talking to them and asking them for different things.
And I know that sounds probably ridiculous to a lot of your readers.
I'm sure they're writing the emails already.
Conversations with fairies.
I mean, we've all seen the flickery black and white images of so-called fairies dancing, you know, that sometimes get trotted out on television.
But all children, don't they?
I mean, look, I think I used to watch a lot of space series, and I think I was maybe at eight years of age, I was convinced that I was sort of communicating with aliens or something, but I grew out of it, I think.
Do you not think that that was just an aberration, an apparition, whatever, of childhood?
I don't think so.
I think it's actually the direct opposite.
I think we are just so young and sorry, I guess, not young, physically we're young, but we're young in the way that we haven't been hardened by life.
We're not, haven't been conditioned by other people's opinions and judgments.
We just see the world full of magic, full of wonder.
And so therefore, we are open to the subtlety that perhaps as we're adults, we just forget.
So we're cosmically impressionable, maybe.
Yeah, that's a great way of saying it.
Like you said, when you were younger, you watched programmes and were and were, I guess, impressed upon aliens and that kind of fantasy.
But that's not a fantasy for a lot of people.
I have listened to your show as well.
I know you have done interviews with UFOs and alien communication and things like that.
So it's obviously there within you still, just like the connection with the earth and the unicorns and the fairies.
It's very much still there.
Now, whether that was first catalyzed by having this communication when I was younger, I'm not too sure.
But what I do know is these realities are very much real.
You know, there are those who say, and I've heard them say it, and look, I'm very open and amenable to all of this.
You know, that's why I'm doing this show.
But there are those who would say, it's okay to talk to the fairies.
You've got a problem when they start talking back to you.
I'd love that.
I love that.
I would love to have a conversation with those people and just Show them some of the pictures I've been able to capture.
Yeah, I have pictures of fairies and elementals.
Oh my God.
When you say pictures, are they sketches that you've done or have you taken photographs?
No, photographs.
Actual photographs, yeah.
Good.
Well, listen, this is something else I didn't know about you.
And when you talk about having connected with fairies and elementals, talk to me about a typical contact.
Perhaps one of those occasions where you took a picture and they clearly didn't mind you taking a picture.
I mean, look, you know that in the paranormal, very often people say, I've experienced this, that, and the other, but none of it comes out on digital media or film.
So this is fascinating.
Talk to me about an encounter.
Yeah, I can talk to you about the encounter this morning.
So every day I go outside for a morning walk, I've got three boys, two of which are under three, so very young.
So I need this, my meditation space is to go for a walk in Mother Nature for an hour every morning.
And when I do, I have a connection with the earth.
So I'll speak to the nature spirits, which is another name for the elementals.
And so today I had a conversation with one of the trees that I pass every day.
And I'm very aware that to some listeners, that may seem absurd, but for me, that's just an everyday reality.
And I was able to speak to the tree and actually ask the tree for some healing for my back, because working with the consciousness of trees is very, very, it's very powerful medicine that we can receive to really help us to heal our physical body.
Because all the different nature spirits have different qualities that we can draw on, but the trees in particular are very good for helping to heal our physical body.
So yeah, I was in a conversation with a tree receiving healing for maybe about 15 minutes today on my walk.
So that's just an everyday experience.
Are you better?
Do you feel better for it?
Yeah, I feel great.
Yeah.
I'm not going to knock that either.
I live very close to one of Her Majesty's royal parks.
I'm lucky to live within a minute's walking distance from one of them.
And I can walk there and there are trees that no one's allowed to touch because they are preserved and protected.
And they are very, very beautiful.
And I often look at them and I think, you have been here for very much longer than I've been here and you will be here when I'm not.
Maybe that connotes with it.
Maybe that goes hand in hand in conjunction with some kind of energy, some power, because there are people who believe, and I know some of my listeners will think you're wacko too, Howard, but you know, they can think whatever they will.
There are people who think that trees have power.
Yes, yes.
And for many years, I didn't think that this was possible.
I would have listened to myself now and thought, this woman is crazy.
But of course, they do.
Every tree has its own medicine, its own teaching.
For example, the copper beech tree or the silver birch tree, they are closely relinked to the presence of the unicorns.
So anytime that we connect with these trees, we are at the same time opening up our awareness to the presence of unicorns.
Or we can look at it another way.
There are certain species of trees that we can receive physical, as in more of a third-dimensional healing from, like things like aspirin.
We can get aspirin for willow bark and different medicines.
So we can look at trees at an energetic level, which goes beyond words.
It's completely ineffable to describe.
Or we can see trees as actually giving us some physical that we can see and sense and hold in our hands.
So yeah, I think they're like silent sages.
You know, they see everything.
They're very patient.
They receive all weathers and yet they still stand so tall and so elegant.
I just, yeah, I have a lot of time for trees, I must admit.
And we think we're so smart and so clever and we are moving and we think they're just stationary static things that we can ignore.
But actually, they are moving.
They're just not moving at a pace that we can relate to.
In other words, we can stand there for a week and we won't see any change.
But they are changing and they are moving and they are alive.
Yes, they are.
They are.
And they all talk to each other.
Science has now proved this, that they can all talk to each other through their root system.
And so that in itself is an intelligence.
And the more that we just open up our awareness, even just small, little baby steps, then we can understand that if trees can talk to each other, then why not human beings talk to trees or unicorns?
We can go to that other end of the spectrum and say, why isn't that possible?
So many people have had angelic experiences.
And there's too many to be able to say that that's all false.
And yeah, I believe that years to come, it'll be exactly the same with the nature spirits of the unicorns.
I really believe that.
Okay, my angrier listeners will be very frustrated with me because we started talking about the fairies and then we began to talk about the trees.
And we didn't quite describe that typical encounter where you are in communication with the fairies because you say you've got pictures and love to see the pictures.
But how does that communication work?
I do.
I do encounter them regularly.
Today I was just working with the trees.
But yeah, fairies are there.
There's all different types.
I think a lot of we've kind of been conditioned by these Victorian, if you remember the Victorian pictures that were all false, where they had, you know, I don't believe that they were real, those pictures, because there's so many different types of fairies,
not just the little beings with smiley faces and wings that we see above flowers depicted in these Victorian pictures, they are so much more natural, the way that they look.
They look like the flower themselves, or the bush themselves, or the plant that they are associated with.
We've kind of sugar-coated through fairy tales what fairies and what, for example, the elves look like.
All these beings are very much real, but they don't really look like, if we saw them with our physical eyes, what we've depicted them to be in fairy tales.
For example, the flower fairies are more an emanation of light and colour, and they really do look like the plant that they are looking after, because fairies, their main role is environmental.
So they're here to help that particular plant or flower to thrive.
That is their role.
Okay, so they're kind of God's little helpers.
Yeah, you could say that.
A lot of the times people could say that they're nature angels.
Nature angels, nature spirits.
How come I can't go for a walk in the park, which I aim to do in a little while, to blow off the last remnants of this flu?
Take my little camera with me or take my phone with me.
And how come I can't bend down to some of the spring flowers that are beginning to appear here and take a picture that includes fairies?
Why don't they appear to me?
Perhaps you're not opening up your...
But let me just be completely honest.
They will not show themselves to absolutely everybody because, you know, collectively, humankind has brought so much destruction to the earth.
And so the elementals are, of course, wary of us.
They're wary of our intentions.
They realize that their existence isn't really, we don't really believe in it or we mock it.
A lot of people mock the existence of fairies.
So of course they're not going to say, okay, I'm over here.
Come and have a conversation with me.
It's like with everything, we wouldn't want to be friends with somebody who judge us and mock us.
But of course, one great way for them to get an awful lot of support and love and backing is to appear to more people because more people would then believe in them.
Yes, absolutely.
And I do see this in the spiritual community.
I do see this.
And the spiritual community is growing.
It is expanding through shows like yourself that you have and books.
Our perceptions collectively as humankind, it is growing.
It is expanding.
We are starting to open our hearts to the possibility that these emanations of nature, this animism of nature, really, really does exist.
And for those who would say this woman sounds like she's having some kind of crisis or breakdown, of course, they can't say that to you because you were working in a very responsible field, which you left, but also this has been a part of your life since you were a kid.
So I don't think, unless there's something I've missed, that that argument could apply.
Yeah, and you know, if people, if the listeners know me in my day-to-day life, they'll see that I don't just sit in meditation talking to these beings all day.
You know, I change nappies and kick dinner and I'm mamma.
You've got little boys, haven't you?
So you've, I very much have feet in both worlds.
And we have to.
We have to.
We can't just be ungrounded and living in the clouds all day because then we're not here.
We're not living.
And if we talk a little bit about the unicorns, this is why I wrote a book about them because they are bridging beings, if you like.
They look like a horse, so that's very, very physical.
We can relate to that.
But they also have this magical emanation from their third eye.
So this alicorn, this one horn of light that comes out, which is, of course, very celestial in the way that it looks and the way that it feels.
Are you telling me?
And I'm sorry I'm doing that awful thing of interrupting you.
Are you telling me that unicorns exist?
I used to read about them when I was a kid.
I had books that had them in there.
I think, didn't The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe feature one?
Perhaps it did.
Perhaps it didn't.
But I was captivated by all of those things when I was six.
But you grow out of these things.
You know, I've never seen a unicorn.
I was staggered to get a news release from your publishers saying that you'd done a book about them because I didn't believe anybody was working in all of this.
First of all, tell me two things.
What is a unicorn and how do you know they exist?
So there are two things and then I'm going to shut up.
Okay, that's okay.
Questions are good.
Questions expand our awareness.
So, okay, the unicorns are celestial beings that exist in a higher, more expanded vibration, if you like.
So a different sort of energy than we are living in our physical body.
Yet they are accessible to everybody.
And why they're here, whether we believe them as actual physical beings or whether we see them as an archetype for inspiring things like magic or hope or standing out from the crowd that it's okay to do that, or whether we just think of them as a fantasy ideal, it doesn't really matter.
I don't know if you've seen everywhere right now on magazines, in the high street, in clothing lines, on social media, there's images of unicorns popping up everywhere.
It seems to be that even The Guardian, I think it was The Guardian, don't quote me on that, but I'm sure it was The Guardian, who wrote this beautiful article last year about the unicorn being the emblem of our time, which I just thought was fantastic because I really feel that they are the emblem of our time.
Well, of course, but there are very skeptical people out there.
There's a phone-in host on the air in London, a guy called James.
And when he gets frustrated with situations and callers and all the rest of it, he says, you know, the next thing you're going to be telling me that unicorns exist.
We're going to talk about unicorns next.
So, you know, there's a certain amount of opposition out there.
Yeah, and that's okay.
I'd love to talk to that guy.
The reason I know that unicorns exist is because after I left science, I started up a holistic company creating skincare products because that was a really nice transition for me from working very much with working with chemicals, working with processes to then make skincare.
It felt like a very nice transition.
And so anyway, a very long story short, I started to create skincare, but bring into the products healing energies like Reiki, so that universal life energy.
I would sit with the soaps or the shampoo and I would hold that bottle or that soap within my hand and I would bless it.
I would bring this energy into the product.
And my customers absolutely loved it.
They could feel the essence.
They could feel that it was just much more than just skincare.
And so I started just to have fun with that because I am always a scientist.
I love experimenting.
And so I had set up a lot of different experiments.
Could I, I asked myself, could I channel and bring in blessings from the angels, blessings from the nature spirits?
And could I also do this with unicorns?
Because they started to come into my dreams.
They started to come into my meditations.
And I really wanted to have this connection with them.
Because at the time, as you see, there wasn't books on them.
There wasn't people talking about unicorns.
But yet they were still there.
They still came into my awareness through my dreams and when I meditated.
And so I asked for them to come forward in a very conscious way.
I sat down and I relaxed my breath, came into the moment, made sure there was no distractions.
I asked for them to come forward into my awareness.
And they did.
Two huge, big guides came forward, two different unicorns, one who felt very male, one who felt female.
And that was the initial engagement, the initial meeting that we had.
And they shared with me where they come from, what their role is to help humanity, what their role is in their own evolution.
And they said to me as well that I would create with them a healing system, which I now teach around the world.
Where do they come from?
Have I missed that point?
Where are they from?
So there are many different types of unicorns, but the ones who came forward to me were those of a celestial origin.
So they exist in a star that circulates around the constellation or the dog star of Sirius.
So they are within our universe.
And you believe that they are real.
They are not a manifestation of some energy in a form that maybe somebody like you could understand.
In other words, that maybe there is an energy out there and it translates itself into a picture of what you would know as a unicorn because you're interested in those sorts of things.
Or are unicorns, as you seem to be implying, an entity in themselves?
Yes, they are.
They are an entity in themselves.
Absolutely.
But again, it goes back to our perceptions, whether we see them as an archetype, whether we have almost created this vision, this image of what a unicorn is based on fairy tales, for example, or whether we see them as real.
And I definitely do see them as real.
I've had so many experiences, as my students have, and as different people have, that I've interacted with all over the world.
And when I was writing my book, I did a lot of research as well.
And there's cave paintings that go back 10,000 years and they depict unicorns, this horse with this one-pointed horde coming out of its brow.
And it's nothing to do with like narholes.
Sometimes they are associated with the sea creatures that have the one-pointed horn from their third eye.
It's nothing to do with those creatures.
And there's also a train of thought that believe that the unicorns were a very real physical being that was descended from ancient rhinos, prehistoric rhinos.
I don't believe that that's true.
I think they are their own entity, their own form.
It's just we don't see them.
Do you have pictures?
I do not have a physical picture of a unicorn, no.
But you do have physical pictures of fairies.
Yes.
How come you can't get a picture of a unicorn?
I believe that's so because the nature beings are off this earth.
They are connected with the planet.
They're very much here.
They're connected to the plant or the species or the tree that they're working with.
Whereas unicorns are almost like an entity that can go into many different worlds, many different dimensions.
You can see that as an ET or a star being, something like that.
You could equate that they are one and the same or similar in the way that they can go and bridge into different realms.
You say that they're here to help us.
How are they here to help us?
They're here to help us to realize that there's so much more than just the physical world.
So exactly what we're talking about today, they're here to help us to raise and expand Our perception that there is much, much more than what we could just physically see and feel and experience.
And you say that you can call on unicorns to do healing.
Now, you told me as we were starting to record this that you, like me, have had the flu.
You know, I don't have unicorns on my side.
You do.
They could have healed your flu.
And while they were about it, they might have been nice enough to come down and heal mine too.
But they didn't.
Yeah, it's a great question.
So my physical, yeah, our physical body is what happens to us at a physical level is the end product of what has happened at an energetic level.
And another way of saying that is the way that our spirit, our soul, which the unicorns reflect, so that energy that we can't see, the way that our spirit and soul communicates to us is through our physical body.
Now, the reason I have this cold and what normally colds and flus represent is the fact that we have been frustrated and we haven't had enough time to rest.
We haven't had, we're far too much in our mind.
So everything that happens in our physical body has its own definition.
It can help us.
It's not really our body.
We could see having the cold or flu as an illness or we could see it as, okay, well, it's something that happened quite a while ago through our energetic self and this is just it flushing through our physical body.
So yes, the unicorns could heal that, but sometimes we actually have to experience these shifts in order to say to ourselves, okay, I see that I was frustrated from X, Y, Z and I know that I haven't had time and I need to employ more time to rest in my day-to-day life.
And when I do that, then I break the cycle of getting flus and colds again.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I mean, in a way, it sounds a little bit like you're letting them off the hook, though.
You know, you're saying, I'm not going to expect you to do this for me because I realize I have to flush this experience through my system.
I suppose you could say that about any ailment or illness that you get then.
If you get, you know, if you break your foot and you have to go through the healing process and the unicorns won't step in, presumably, because you've got to go through the healing process.
Or am I wrong?
If there is a positive understanding to the ailment that we're experiencing, we have to receive that on an intellectual level.
Otherwise, it will just continue to repeat and we will see that passer and repeat in our life.
But in terms of ailments that the unicorns specifically have helped me heal, I can tell you that after my first child, I was diagnosed with postnatal hypothyroidism.
And then following my second child, again, it was still there.
I went to the endocrinologist, so the specialist that deals with our glandular system.
And she had said to me, you will always have hypothyroidism.
You will always have to take artificial hormones to regulate your thyroid gland.
God, it's an awful thing for a young mum to have because you need so much energy, don't you, to be able to do what you have to do when you're a mum.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And I also had postnatal depression, which often is linked with a low thyroid because you can feel very much depressed.
But after I learned why I, for want of a better word, aligned to having hypothyroidism and to having postnatal depression, once I received that understanding, I did do healing with the unicorns.
I did do hands-on physical healing with them.
I invoked them to come forward.
I brought their energy that they bring forward, that we can all ask for and receive, because they'll work with anybody who's genuinely open-hearted and is asking for their help.
They will help them.
And I'm happy to say that I'm completely off hormone replacement.
My doctor said it was never going to be possible.
I told her that I was going to do it.
I want to take myself off the medications.
Did you tell your doctor about the unicorns?
No, I didn't.
I didn't.
Just an opportunity there.
Yeah.
Well, sometimes people just don't want to know Howard and you get that feeling.
So I got that feeling.
Well, it could be the next step for the health service, though.
They've embraced acupuncture and many other things that they poo-pooed 20, 30 years ago.
Maybe this is the next thing to the next domino to fall.
It could be because now they recommend Reiki.
So that hands-on healing that I was talking about, they recommend that for palliative units to help cancer patients.
They do.
There are all sorts of things.
I can remember when I broke my shoulder a few years ago, and that was the most painful experience I think I ever had in my life.
And it took a long time for it to be diagnosed.
They couldn't even spot that I had a fracture.
And I went to have an alternative therapy called Boein therapy, which is something that was developed on horses.
And it's a very gentle thing.
The Boeing therapist doesn't even touch you.
They walk around you.
And they treat you almost like a horse in a stable.
There are no words exchanged.
And I thought, this is lunatic.
You know, I've just paid 40 quid, 40 pounds of my money for somebody to silently walk all around me and treat me like a horse.
I must be literally off my rocker.
I have to say that I was certainly relaxed by it in a way that I couldn't understand.
I'm sorry for going on about one of my stories again, but I was relaxed by that in a way that I could not understand because I certainly didn't feel relaxed when I went in there.
And I was very rational about it.
And I also thought I was crazy for even trying it.
But I've got to say on some level, it did something.
So we, look, to cut a long story short here is what you're saying is that we can maybe invoke things within ourselves, but those things within ourselves are assisted by things beyond us if we allow those things in.
Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Just like we would, for example, call on a higher power, whether we see and define that higher power as God or angels or anything else, we can at the same time, we can see that higher power as the unicorns.
Why not?
And if at the end of the day we are feeling soothed and relaxed and we are coming to a place of upliftment where the physical symptoms can just flow through us and take their natural course to leave us so we can come back to health, then so much the better.
And also, I don't think people really need to believe in unicorns because they believe in us and that's enough.
That's enough.
They realize that we have went through eons, excuse me, eons and eons of conditionings where things like this were just deemed to be nonsense.
So they realize that we really have blinkers on and we're just taking our time to wipe that perspective clear so we can raise our perception.
It's a difficult field to be in because there are all sorts of regulatory and common sense reasons for saying what I'm about to say.
You can't encourage people, and I'm sure you don't, to give up traditional medicine.
I presume what you do is something that must go hand in hand with going to see your doctor and getting the correct diagnoses, etc.
Yeah, absolutely.
We can never, I don't think anybody, even a GP can, sorry, assume that what they are writing a prescription for can cure that person.
And it's exactly the same.
I can't say that unicorn healing will cure you of your ailments because at the end of the day, we ourselves, we are responsible for our own healing.
And yeah, so I would say to somebody, as I do, go with your own intuition.
Follow what works best for you, even if that is a combination of pharmaceuticals, bowen therapy, unicorn healing.
Go with whatever makes you feel good.
At the end of the day, all these types of health, healing, modalities, we're all just focusing on helping that person to feel good.
A lot of people will find summoning up unicorns a bit of a stretch, though.
They'll find that difficult to take on board.
How do you sweeten the pill then?
How do you present it to people who've maybe tried everything?
They want to try something else.
There are people who shop alternative therapies and you might be the latest one that they've tried.
How do you sell it to them?
If you do.
The simple answer is I don't.
I don't sell it.
That doesn't feel ethical to me.
That was one of the reasons why I left cancer research in the first place, because it was so commercialized.
If somebody wants to try the healing, I will give it to them for free if they want to.
And I do.
A lot of my courses, a lot of my sharing on social media is completely free so that people can have an experience which goes beyond logic because sometimes trying to understand these concepts and these beings that are completely out with our physical plane, it's very difficult if we're trying to touch them with a physical stick.
So we have to go beyond what our logic is saying or is expecting and come down into our heart and instead just have an experience, just be open to that experience.
And a way to begin to work with the unicorns is simply to ask them to come into your dream time when you are naturally soothed anyway, the busyness of the day, all the distractions, they're all laid to rest.
And so just before you go to sleep, you can say, okay, if unicorns are real, I want to see one.
I want to see one in my dream and have that experience.
That's like a nice little way to begin communication.
I'm happy to do that.
Are you telling me that if I do, it will work?
Or am I just too, maybe I'm too skeptical?
Maybe there's just that barrier there with me personally.
But you're saying that if a person does that sincerely and without skepticism, it's going to happen for them.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm a firm believer.
And I don't believe that you are skeptical whatsoever.
But I understand why you're being neutral.
You have to be.
Yeah, that's a really nice way to...
At the start of your day, say, if unicorns exist, give me a sign that I can recognize so I can believe.
And no doubt, through your day, you will see pictures of unicorns or the words unicorn written or something will come into your experience if it is right, if you're at that point of If you buy a blue Volkswagen or a blue Nissan or a blue Toyota, the day that you buy that car, you'll be driving along the road and you will see 20 or 30 more just like it.
Yeah.
And the reason that is, is because I'm sure some of your listeners know, it's just a law of attraction.
It's just that like attracts like.
If you put out a thought and a feeling, then the universe will respond to that.
It will bring you just what you're asking for into your experience.
When you tell people, friends, connections, people who are not into all of these things that we're talking about, what you do and what you believe, what sorts of reaction do you get?
You say that people are more open-minded.
More and more people are discussing these things.
I know that is a fact.
What you say is true.
What sorts of average reactions do you get?
You know, up there in Perthshire, for example, in Scotland, what do people say?
People are fairly open up here.
I think because there's a connection with the land up here.
And so, you know, there's a lot of people who believe in fairies, for example.
And so the stretch to then believe in unicorns isn't that far Compared to somebody perhaps who lives in a city and there isn't much nature there to connect with.
But I find that who we keep company with are really direct reflections of who we are.
And so when I was working in science, all my friends were also my peers from where I worked, from sorry, the biotechnology company that I worked in.
So when I left science, they also left me because we were just not a match anymore.
So the friends that I have up here, some of them are edging their way closer to believing in the unicorns because they've heard my stories and my experiences.
They've heard perhaps some of my students' experiences as well.
So they're raising the possibility that these beings exist.
And then other friends and other people just generally in the community, they do believe in them.
If unicorns have our best interests at heart, do you think that they will ultimately stop us from wrecking this world, driving the economy into the ground, having a thermonuclear war eventually destroying the climate?
Do they care about us that much?
They do.
They absolutely do.
But they also respect that we have free will.
So we're all here to have our own experience.
And unfortunately, or perhaps not, because that's my own judgment, we're all here to have our own experience.
So I can't judge that.
And neither can the unicorns.
And that's a bit of a controversial topic because I'm sure the listeners are saying, so do you mean that somebody who is here to be or has committed murder, do the unicorns, are they still accessible to the unicorns support?
Well, they are.
They absolutely are.
Because the unicorns, the angels, the divine, doesn't have judgment.
They order our free will.
We're here to experience.
We're here to play.
I see life as just a big playground, to be honest.
I mean, look at the things that happen, Callista.
Look at the way people behave.
I know the media inside and out, so I only know the media.
And I could tell you many stories, but then that goes for every field.
And you have to just say to yourself, I cannot take any of this seriously.
You have to, as you say, you have to have fun through life.
Otherwise, if you started taking a lot of the lunacy that goes on for real and seriously, you'd end up with big problems.
And who wants those?
Exactly.
Exactly.
I did a, excuse me, and apologies to the listeners.
I am full of this cool.
You're about two or three days behind me, I think, by the sounds.
But I'm slightly better than you are at the moment, but I know where you are.
Sorry, you were saying.
Yeah, it's interesting that your world, what you have seen is probably a lot of judgment and criticism.
I can't imagine.
But the person, I did a Native American vision quest once, and this was a very intense experience where I really solidified my connection with the unicorns.
And this was a good few years ago.
But the guide who was holding that space for this vision quest, this Native American ceremony where you go out into the land and you don't have a tent, you have a tarpaulin that just shelters you from the elements.
And you go out into the land, you fast, you have no communication with other people.
You basically go out in the land to have an experience, to have a vision.
And the Native Americans have done this for eons.
And so my guide was actually a reporter who in the 70s was, you know, he lived down in London.
He came from that very much that, I don't want to say narrow-minded, but just that viewpoint.
And then all of a sudden he changed his life just like I changed and lived in the States and was initiated into all these ceremonies.
And now he is one of the main Vision Quest leaders in the UK.
And so he walks two different worlds as well.
He walks the physical and also the spiritual world, just like I do.
But it's funny because he regaled some stories on our Vision Quest about the media and just how much the world is really shifting.
I think you don't have to be a Philadelphia lawyer.
You don't have to believe in unicorns.
You just have to look around you to realize that the world is changing and people are ceasing to believe some of the garbage that they are fed.
And if I can play a tiny, tiny, tiny part in that, then that's absolutely cool.
Callista, I've really enjoyed this conversation.
We need to do this again.
I will try the unicorn experiment and I'll report back to you and let you know whether it works for me.
If you can let me have any of those photographs, even just one of them, I would be very keen to see it.
But I wish you well in all you do.
A lot of people will see it as very out there, but I have to say that you have a very down-to-earth and very credible way of presenting yourself.
So, you know, thank you for that.
You're welcome.
Thank you for creating this space to share more about the unicorns and in a very grounded, practical way.
It's been great, Howard.
Thank you.
Good.
If people want to connect with you, look at your work online, you have a very nice website.
Do you want to tell me what it is?
Yeah, it's CallistaAsscension.com.
And you can also find me on Facebook and Instagram under Callista Ascension as well.
Why do you want to be or like to be known just as one name, Callista?
Callista.
You don't refer to yourself as Callista Jones, Callista Smith, Callista McPherson.
You are Callista.
Just, yeah, just Callista.
And that's basically because I don't really identify with names so much.
Callista was actually the name that was given to me from the Angels.
That's another conversation.
When I started to work with them after leaving Science, my birth name was Catriona.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
That's a really nice Celtic name.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
All right.
Well, listen, thank you.
You didn't have to tell me that, but I'm very pleased that You did.
And we must talk again, Callista.
Thank you very much indeed.
Okay, lots of love, Howard.
Thank you.
Your views, welcome on Callista.
If you want to get in touch with me, go to my website, theunexplained.tv.
Your thoughts also welcome on this microphone that I'm using, the Sennheiser 441, that I'm trying out here.
I don't know whether it gives you that intimate radio sound.
All I know is what I can hear in my headphones, and that is often not a true reflection of what there really is.
So your thoughts on that as well.
And anything else, welcome.
Go to the website, theunexplained.tv.
More great guests and more topics coming soon here on The Unexplained.
So until next, we meet.
My name is Howard Hughes.
I am in London.
And please, stay safe, stay calm.
And above all, please stay in touch.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
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