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Sept. 12, 2016 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 268 - More Guest Catchups

Famous Remote Viewer Major Ed Dames... and Dr Caroline Watt from the University ofEdinburgh...

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Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
Thank you for keeping the faith with the show.
Please keep telling your friends about it and let's make this show grow as we get into the last three months of 2016.
Very busy here.
I got in from doing my national talk radio show last night, which is Sunday night, as I record this on Monday, at about 2.33 a.m.
Got to sleep about 4 a.m. and it's now morning time, what, 11-ish.
And I'm putting together this edition of The Unexplained.
I'm a little bit behind with your emails.
I see them all as they come in, but collating them to do shout-outs, I haven't done a lot of.
I'm going to do some shout-outs on this edition.
And then you're going to hear two guests that you've been asking to hear on the podcast that have been on the radio show.
One, lots of requests for Major Ed Dames, one of Art Bell's favorite guests, the man that he nicknamed Dr. Doom, the famous remote viewer.
I've known Ed for many years, and it's lovely to have him back on the show.
He was on the radio show a week ago, and I'm going to put him on here on this edition.
Also, we talk with a woman who is working in the academic world and is paid to research parapsychology, the paranormal.
It's a fantastic job for Caroline Watt, who is the new Cursler Chair of Parapsychology at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.
A fascinating woman, and we'll hear from her first on this edition of The Unexplained, then we'll get to Ed Dames.
If you want to get in touch with me, go to my website, theunexplained.tv, and there you can leave me feedback about the show.
Tell me what you'd like to hear on it, that kind of stuff, or anything.
Just check out the website designed by Adam at Creative Hotspot in Liverpool, theunexplained.tv.
Let's do some shout-outs now.
This is a very important one.
So, Alex, I hope you're listening up.
Alex says, absolutely love your show.
I've been staying with my sister, Lauren, in Melbourne.
She's kindly put me up for a few months.
We're both from the UK.
She's introduced me to The Unexplained.
I'm completely hooked.
Keep it up.
Thank you for that, Alex.
Anyway, she says, you must get absolutely loads of these requests.
I get some, but it's Lauren McNabb's 34th birthday on the 15th of September, and she would love a shout-out from you.
I'm sure it would be the perfect birthday surprise.
So, Lauren McNabb, a very happy birthday, and thank you very much for introducing your sister, Alex, to The Unexplained.
I hope that you have or have had a wonderful birthday, and the next year is great for you.
Other shout-outs.
David in Cambridge thinks that sometimes I'm a little naive about things like hacking.
I think I know what you mean.
When I did the interview with Greg Hausch, the activist or hacktivist, I was constantly mentioning the fact that, oh, hacking is illegal.
Well, of course, it is an offence, and you can go to jail, get fined, get extradited for it.
And, you know, we have to point that out, especially on broadcast radio.
You have to adhere to broadcasting codes.
And I know that some instances of hacking have been done in inverted commas for the public good, but an awful lot haven't.
So I was trying to make that point, and I hope I wasn't being naive, but I take your point, David.
Mark says, I always miss the last hour of the radio show.
Can I hear Ed Dames?
Yes, you can, Mark.
And Tracy, hope you're all right.
You want to hear Ed Dames.
He's on this show.
Another Tracy near Manchester says, love the show.
You must take it on the road and do a tour.
Thank you for that.
It is something that I've considered.
Thank you for that.
Hi, Howard.
Got listening to you again on Talk Radio and also listen on your website.
Have you done a show about the black-eyed kids as reported in magazines like Nexus and the 40 and Times?
Stephen Yoville, good shout.
As soon as I can, I'm going to get somebody on about that.
Michael in Centerville, Indiana, USA says, call me Mr. I have no opinion.
Thanks, Michael.
Michael says, I just love the show.
No ideas or changes for you to ponder.
Thank you very much for the nice things you say.
From Mari, or is it Marie?
From Mari, I think it is, says, I listen to your show in the Midwest of the U.S. We love listening to you while we sit out and enjoy a campfire.
How great is that?
Thank you again for your ability and your desire to air such a non-conformist program.
That's the whole idea.
Finally, this time, hi, Howard, your shows go from strength to strength, both on the podcast online and on national talk radio in the UK.
I've started to listen again from scratch to all of the podcasts, and I think the early ones were very good, but the latest ones are even better.
You do an expert job.
Well, we try, and there's always room for improvement.
He says that the last podcast he heard, which was Harry Drew talking about the Kingman UFO case, he says, I found him very hard to follow, but it was very listenable.
Well, yes, I was trying to keep him on point and making sure that the narrative was as clear as we could get it, which is what you have to do with every guest.
And thank you very much for that email, Tim.
If you want to get in touch, go to the website theunexplained.tv and you can send me an email from there.
Okay, two guests from my radio show on this edition.
They are Major Ed Dames and Caroline Watt from the University of Edinburgh.
We're going to start with her.
She has got a really cool job in this world, and she's a really interesting and very nice person.
She is the new Coast Le Chair, the second in fact, Coast Le Chair of Parapsychology at the University of Edinburgh.
It doesn't feel like a job because it's so interesting.
Parapsychology is a really unusual area to be working in, as you said, and I feel so fortunate to have spent my career in this area.
Now, you say that you spent a career in this area.
How do you do that?
Well, I started off in psychology, so my first degree is in psychology.
And I was just curious, as I knew that people had paranormal experiences, and I think as a psychologist, that's obviously an interesting question.
What lies behind these experiences?
Is it something to do with truly paranormal phenomena?
Or is there also the possibility of some normal psychological processes giving the appearance of being psychic.
Or indeed any combination of the two.
Yes, they're not mutually exclusive.
So logically, one or the other or both together could be operating.
Okay, and what about you yourself?
Because your background in psychology, which is a very good field to be in if you're going to be looking at these things, because so much of it is based around people and how they react to events and phenomena.
But were you somebody who has been interested in these things since you were a little girl?
Was it something that occurred to you later in life?
What was your story with it?
Well, I haven't had any personal experiences that made me want to be a parapsychologist.
So I know that there are some parapsychologists who are, because something unexplained has happened to them, that's made them curious and made them want to find out more about it.
But in my situation, I was curious about the paranormal.
I think most people are curious about it.
But it was more because I had done a psychology degree and I was interested in parapsychology because it's something about unusual experiences that people have.
It's a very interesting area of psychology.
Well, it is.
Unfortunately, it is such an indistinct field of study, isn't it?
Look, I found a definition before I came and did this because, you know, I like to do a little bit of preparation.
It always helps.
Parapsychology, it says here, and you may disagree with this, is a field of study concerned with the investigation of paranormal and psychic phenomena, which include telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, psychokinesis, near-theath experiences, and the whole gabbet.
But the last line on this is the one that you may take some issue with.
It's often identified as, quotes, pseudoscience.
Now, the number of times I talk to people on this show and on the podcast that I do at theunexplained.tv, and I get accused of putting somebody on air who is peddling pseudoscience.
So there you are in the scientific community, and you have people who are probably very keen to say to you that what you're dealing in, what you're investigating, is in itself pseudoscience, which must undermine the whole basis of everything you do.
Yes, I think there is an issue because the term parapsychology has a lot of baggage attached to it, and anybody could call themselves a parapsychologist.
So there's no hallmark that says, oh, you know, this is officially a parapsychologist.
So what we're doing as a university-based research group is acting as scientists do in trying to test scientific hypotheses.
So we're trying to conduct controlled research and using the same methods actually that psychologists use to try to find out more information about claimed experiences.
Now I emphasise the claimed because it may be that there aren't always paranormal explanations.
There may be no paranormal explanations.
So I think it's about the method that you use and certainly some people out there will be convinced there are ghosts and there are spirits and they know that they don't need to test because they already know that from their own personal experiences and I think that is pseudo-scientific.
I think if you are being scientific about the subject, you're questioning a claim and testing a hypothesis to see where the data leads you.
Now, I've seen many films and I've been directed to them by Uri Geller of him being tested by various institutes in the United States.
You know, Deuri Geller has quite a background.
He says himself that he did some work for the security services and governments and various other people.
But this film from the 70s, I think it is, shows Uri in a blind test where he is trying to deduce what somebody has drawn, I think it is, in a remote location.
Now, the 1970s seemed to be very much, and you might agree with me, you might not, the era of that kind of thing.
We seem to be trying to get a handle on it.
And somehow down the track through the 80s, 90s, and into now, we're not perhaps quite so we're not quite so dedicated.
We're not quite so methodical about the way that we do these things anymore.
You don't hear about research like that being done.
No, I think what happened was that researchers got their fingers burned because it's possible for magicians to simulate psychic phenomena and mentalists to simulate psychic phenomena.
So there was an occasion in the USA where James Randi, who's a sceptic of the paranormal and he's spent a lifetime challenging paranormal claims, infiltrated a parapsychology lab with two magicians who then proceeded to trick the parapsychologists into initially thinking that they had some genuine psychic abilities.
Now eventually the parapsychologist figured out what was really going on but these kinds of experiences have meant that many parapsychologists steer away from testing individuals who claim strong abilities.
So there's been a bit of a move away from these personalities, these colourful characters who have a vested interest in being shown to be psychic for one reason or another and a move towards research a bit more like normal psychology in that we conduct experiments with large numbers of people, maybe 100 participants, in one study.
And they're not people who believe that they have strong psychic abilities, although they may be people who've had the occasional paranormal experience.
So it's less dramatic, it's less newsworthy, but it's more systematic research because it's working with a larger group of people that are more representative of the general population.
And sometimes, and you know, one of the reasons we are doing a show like this is that more and more people seem in 2016 and certainly for the 10 years or more that I've been doing this show, it's always been an interest of mine, seem to be getting more interested in these things.
There is more of a frissant around the idea that people can sometimes feel and know exactly the same things at the same time.
And you talked about doing research with large groups of people.
Have you been trying to prove the existence of that kind of, for want of another word, I'll call it awareness?
Well, I think we might call that telepathy Or extrasensory perception.
So it's the idea that one person can communicate with another person at a distance, not using a telephone or any form of signalling, but through the hypothesis is that it's through some paranormal feat that they're communicating mind-to-mind direct communication.
We have conducted some research at Edinburgh that's tested that hypothesis, if that's what you're curious about.
Do you want to hear about it?
No, I'm sitting in rapt attention here.
I'd love to hear about it.
Well, we've used a method that many parapsychologists have used.
It's called the Gansfeld, and it's a mild sensory isolation procedure.
And the idea is that the parapsychologists believe that if you're relaxed and in a kind of dreamy state, that your mind may be more open to noticing information that's psychic, it's coming from somebody else.
Because normally in our everyday lives, we're distracted and we basically don't pay much attention to what's going on inside our heads.
So in the Gansville experiment, the participant is very relaxed and in a nice kind of dreamy state with white noise in their headphones and sitting in a comfy chair.
And at the same time, in another room, the sender looks at a randomly chosen target.
So that might be, for example, a video clip.
And the sender is concentrating on the video clip.
And the person who's in the Gansfeld just talks out loud, describing the thoughts and the impressions that are going through their head.
And to cut a long story short, at the end of the experiment, we try to calculate the success rate in correctly identifying the target video based on what the sender was saying as they were lying there talking off the top of their head, compared to other target pictures that the sender did not see, the decoys, if you like.
And so then we go to statistics.
So this is what makes it a science.
We know what the chance success rate would be in this experiment.
It would be 25% because there are four possible targets.
And then over hundreds of trials, you figure out what's the actual success rate in identifying the target.
And typically these studies, and including the ones that we've done at Edinburgh, are reporting on average round about a 30 to 33 percent success rate.
So it's larger than you would expect just by chance.
And that couldn't be allowed for by statistical variation?
Well, that's a good question.
Some parapsychologists claim, because hundreds of these studies have been done and the results are reasonably consistent over time, so some parapsychologists claim that this body of research demonstrates evidence for extrasensory perception.
I'm one of those who's not yet convinced for various reasons.
One being that there's a difference in the success rate of studies that are published compared to those that tend to be unreported.
So you conduct a study and some researchers, if they get chance results, may decide not to report the study.
And so that 25% result doesn't go into the wider database and that means the published database is distorted.
So it means that the overall hit rate is exaggerated.
So there are a few other factors that may, in my mind, mean that we can't say with firm conviction that we have firm evidence for ESP yet, but it's something that I'm working on.
There are a lot of people these days who are playing with things like, for example, there was a book I think about 10, 15 years ago.
Everybody had it.
I had it.
I had the book, the DVD, the audio book of it, called The Secret.
And The Secret was supposed to be a way of attracting to you the things that you want.
There was also another book by Berbel Moore, a German author who you might have come across.
She's sadly no longer with us.
She died very young, but I did interview her on this show, which was called The Cosmic Ordering Service, which worked along similar lines.
And even before that, there was a thing that is probably different, and the people who practice it will say, no, they're not connected at all.
But the aim of it is similar, called Silver Mind Control, S-I-L-V-A, which I've also tried out at times.
And all of these things, very popular they seem to be at the moment, are aimed at putting something out into the universe and getting back the thing that you've allowed to fly out there.
Say, for example, you pray to whatever it is, I say pray, you put out the proposition that you would like to improve your circumstances, get another job or something and do that.
And you put it out clearly, and then you forget about it.
And using these various methods, there are people who claim that these things do actually come to you.
Have you ever looked into those things?
I haven't because I'm not sure how we would test that.
In the real world, you can't eliminate the possibility of various psychological processes occurring.
And it's not obvious to me that that's necessarily a paranormal claim if you put something out into the universe.
Because in so doing, you're basically alerting yourself.
You're telling yourself what you're looking for.
You're making that conscious.
And even though you may put it out of your mind, your unconscious may be working on it.
Just as when we're asleep and dreaming, our unconscious is working through the problems in our lives.
And sometimes we wake up with a solution.
That doesn't mean that something paranormal has happened.
It means processes that we don't normally pay any attention to are working in the background, our brain is unconsciously working.
So it would be very difficult in a real life situation to rule out the possibility that you're unconscious, for example, making you more alert for job opportunities if you're looking for a job, that you're spotting these opportunities because you've primed yourself to be alert to them.
And I'm not certain how we would eliminate that possibility in this kind of experience.
So my hunch is that there could be, to some extent, and this is putting a skeptical hat on, a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy made, which is a good thing.
If you're telling yourself, I'm going to search for a Job, or I'm going to let the universe find me a job and then stop trying, but relax and let things happen.
I think you're more open to noticing things happening, having made that call.
How interesting.
And this is where the psychology comes into it all.
Now, I have tried this kind of thing over the years.
And like a lot of people, I'm sure I'm by no means unique in this world.
I am both my own best friend and my own worst enemy.
When I program for a thing, when I really, really want it, and I don't allow for the possibility that it won't happen, I tend to get it.
But equally, negativity and doubt gets in there, just like the rest of humanity.
And on those occasions, I will thwart my own efforts.
So I guess this is all on the cutting edge, isn't it, of parapsychology and psychology?
Yes, I mean, the word intuition is used kind of in both ways.
Some people talk about intuition, and I think they're thinking of a paranormal process.
But really, there actually are quite a large number of normal but implicit, that's very subtle, psychological processes going on all the time in the background that we're not normally aware of.
And these can shape our behaviour, can make us notice things that otherwise we wouldn't be paying attention to.
So these processes feel sometimes as if they're paranormal because we're not aware of the process, but it feels magical.
But I think there's a lot of psychology in there.
And that's, for me, one reason why parapsychology is an interesting subject, because it does cross over the disciplines between the boundaries between different subject areas.
There must be a way, I've always thought, but then I am no scientist.
I am just an ordinary Joe trying to make a living.
That people are in some way connected, whether it's through thought or whatever.
A simple example is I have a friend, she's Scottish, Katie.
Now, Katie is a radio producer who worked for the BBC years ago, worked in commercial radio in London in the early days of it.
And she was one of the first people I met when I came to London.
And we became good friends.
And we've always had a kind of bond.
It's been really weird.
It is more than any other person I know in this world.
Even though we don't talk all the time, we maybe have a conversation by phone once every three months.
So you can hardly say that we're sort of bosom buddies.
We're not always on the phone to each other.
We're not always having lunch.
But I know that if I think about Katie, she will phone me.
And it happened last week, around about last Wednesday.
I thought about Katie, wonder how Katie is.
And within hours, phone goes, hello, Howard, it's Katie.
Now, you know, what sort of a process, and again, I'm just using myself as an example because I haven't got another one here.
What sort of a process is going on there?
Well, in terms of psychological process, I would say that if you haven't been in touch with Katie for a while, you might start to think about her.
And she likewise, because she hasn't, by definition, she hasn't been in touch with you for a while, might be starting to think about you.
So it makes it more likely that there was going to be a connection or a coincidence between your wishes and her behaviour.
But I mean, researchers also have tried to test this idea that people can feel what they know when someone is going to contact them or that when they're telephoned, they pick up the phone.
Rupert Sheldrick has claimed evidence of this in his research.
It's not something I've personally tried at Edinburgh, but there has been some attempt.
And the way that you would do it as a controlled experiment, because we can't allow for the possibility that you and Katie just haven't spoken for a while, so you sort of think, well, it's about time, is that you would have a kind of panel of friends and they would be randomly chosen.
So one of them would be randomly chosen to call you.
And this way you have no idea of knowing which one it might be, and it's maybe done once a week, whatever.
And then you would, as the phone rings without caller ID, of course, say who you think it is.
So it would be important that the person who's calling is chosen randomly to take away the possibility of other factors making it more likely that you were thinking of that person or they're thinking of you.
Right.
And are you thinking about doing that kind of thing?
If I really was, if I really didn't have psychic ability, I would know.
Are you thinking of doing some research of that kind?
Well, I'll tell you what I'm doing.
I mean, that's the problem with parapsychology.
It's such a huge area full of really interesting experiences, but not a very large field in terms of the number of researchers.
So we have to be quite focused in what we do so that we're not all 100 different researchers looking at 100 different topics.
It's going to make progress quite slow.
So what I'm trying to do is encourage more systematic research in the field.
And I'm looking at telepathy, not telephone telepathy, but I'm interested in the Gansvelt method, which I mentioned to you before, because it's got a long track record.
And there are a few patterns that have come out of the Gansvelt studies.
For example, that people who have some kind of artistic or creative occupation score better in these experiments.
They score more around about 40, 41% than people who don't, you know, who are unselected subjects, if you like.
So there are some interesting trends in that research.
And I think parapsychology can be criticised for leaping from one interesting question to another.
So I'm trying to encourage people in our field to focus on these questions.
So I'm doing planning to do some more Gansfeldt research to try to answer that question.
Is there good evidence for ESP when we conduct well-controlled studies?
What about ghosts?
Will you be looking into those?
Scotland has a fine tradition of ghost investigators.
The late and great Professor Archie Roy and Tricia Robertson, who you might know who worked with him, both in Scotland.
Are you going to be carrying that forward?
Well, I have already done some ghost research, actually, with Richard Wiseman.
We did a study of all places at Hampton Court Palace.
I know.
Well, I live not too far away from there.
So The haunted gallery, the haunted gallery.
So we did a study, but I don't think the kind of ghost research that you see on tele, which I would put in inverted commas, the word research, because it's running around in the dark with an EMF meter trying to detect electromagnetic activity, I don't think is very fruitful.
So what we did is we tried to conduct a psychological experiment in a real location that had a reputation for being haunted.
And we made a floor plan of the gallery.
And we asked our participants to go around the gallery and to mark on the floor plan where they felt uneasy or where they felt there was something kind of made the hair stand up on the back of their neck.
And what we were interested in was to see, was there any consistency in people's reports or was it really just random that people just say that there's ghosts everywhere?
What we found was really curious that there were clusters of areas where everybody reported or a majority of people reported something unusual in this part.
I feel uneasy, I feel kind of uncanny.
Meaning that there's something about that location, whether it's a ghost or something about the physical environment, that's making people feel unusual, feel odd.
And many people would be attributing that to a paranormal phenomenon.
So we then took various physical measurements and this study, we repeated it in Edinburgh's underground vaults, which is another area that's quite spooky and mysterious, quite different to Hampton Court Palace because it's, you know, damp and dripping caves, essentially.
And we did the same experiment there and measured the lighting levels, the humidity, whether there were any drafts.
So we're trying to kind of get a sense of whether there were any physical variables that coincided with where people said they felt ghostly feelings.
And we found a few patterns, a few trends that suggested, for example, if the room that people were in was relatively large compared to small, they were more likely to report feeling strange in that room.
And if it was a dark room relative to the corridor outside, then they were more likely to feel uncomfortable in the room.
So there were a few physical variables that people were responding to that doesn't mean that that was a ghost.
And we can't say for sure that there were no ghosts in our experiment.
But what we're seeing is that people's feelings were being influenced without their being aware of it by the environment that they were in.
And what about those who experience ghosts when they are not looking for them?
You know, I'm not going to bore the audience here with my ghost experience.
I've only ever had one.
It was a couple of years ago and a man appeared before me in a flat cap and disappeared.
And I thought, that is the weirdest thing ever.
I wasn't looking for it.
I wasn't expecting it.
My father was a policeman in Liverpool.
He had at least two experiences exactly like that.
How do we account, if we can, for that kind of thing, do you think?
Well, that's a very good point because sceptics will say that the reason why people experience ghosts is because they're expecting to experience ghosts.
And we actually tested that idea in our two experiments at Hampton Court and at the vaults in Edinburgh.
So we asked people to tell us beforehand whether they had any knowledge of the history of the location.
And we looked at the results for those people who said they knew nothing of the location and those who said they did know the history.
And we were expecting, with the sceptical hypothesis, that those who said they knew the history would report more experiences and would be more consistent in the location.
But actually it made no difference.
So those who came into the locations with no preconceptions were having the same kinds of experiences as those who did have some expectations.
And that was quite surprising to us.
So there's a psychologist called Gertrude Schmeidler who did some research also on haunted locations.
And she tried to get a sense of whether there was something about an environment that might prime a person to experience a particular kind of ghost.
But to be honest, we don't really have an understanding for why it is that certain figures are seen unexpectedly.
We never seem to get beyond the idea that ghosts may be the spirit of somebody who's departed, maybe a recording imprinted in the walls of a building.
We never really seem over the years to get beyond those hypotheses, do we?
No, I mean that's the, I think it's called the stone tape hypothesis, the idea that there's something imbued in the building that's acted as a sort of recording device of the experiences that occurred.
Some people who believe in life after death think that the ghost is a spirit that has returned.
But I don't know how you would know that for sure.
I mean, mediums who claim to be able to communicate with the deceased may say that they're getting information from the deceased or from the spirit that's in the location.
But if you allow for the possibility of extrasensory perception, then you might argue that the medium might be using extrasensory perception to get information from the living rather than from the deceased.
And that's always been an area of debate amongst some researchers in parapsychology who are trying to investigate whether there's any evidence for life after death.
We don't know how to rule out the possibility that there might be other paranormal phenomena occurring that involve the living rather than the deceased.
Fascinating stuff, though, isn't it?
Well worthy of further research.
I mean you probably can dedicate, I don't know whether you're planning to do this, the rest of your life to this, because it's such a big topic.
Yes, I mean I've been at the Kerstler unit actually for 30 years.
So the first professor, Robert Morris, started in 1985 and he appointed me as his research assistant just after I graduated as a psychology degree in 1986.
So this is actually my 30th anniversary.
It's very fascinating.
I do hope.
I mean, I'm so fortunate to be at Edinburgh because it's the only endowed research centre, meaning we have a source of funding from Arthur and Cynthia Koessler that supports our presence at Edinburgh.
So we're fortunate to have a fairly secure position because most researchers are having to struggle to find grants to keep themselves in business.
What is it about Scotland, though, that seems to foster this kind of research?
Because the Scottish people seem to quest in this field perhaps a little more than those south of the border.
I'm going to get brick bats from people in England now, but I think they probably do.
Is it the whole Celtic thing, do you think?
Well, I don't know.
Obviously, in Scotland, there is a lore.
There's lore of second sight.
But in the universities, I mean, there are parapsychology groups elsewhere in the UK, apart from in Edinburgh.
And we were particularly fortunate because at Edinburgh we had a gentleman called John Belloff in the psychology department who was interested in the mind-body relationship.
So he was a philosopher and he was doing parapsychology research at Edinburgh from the 1960s.
So I think as far as Edinburgh University was concerned, he opened people's minds by showing, he was a very careful scientist.
So he was showing you not a crackpot.
He was a careful researcher who conducted well-controlled studies and was very cautious and measured in how he did his work.
Mediums.
You talked about mediums and those who claim to be psychic mediums, the ones that you can go and see who will say, well, I can plumb the spirits and I can tell you what is going to happen in times to come.
I don't know if you, in your 30 years of doing all of this, whether you've done any research on them and whether you think there's anything to it.
In my life, I've seen loads and I've interviewed quite a few.
Only a very few, I think, have something that might be worthwhile.
I'm not sure whether you might echo that or be completely at variance with it.
What do you think?
Well, if I may give a little plug.
In my book, Parapsychology, A Beginner's Guide, I describe the research that's been done over the almost centuries.
There's about 150 years of research into mediums by the Society for Psychical Research, amongst other things.
And the research has always got stuck on this question of whether or not there really is evidence for life after death or whether there's a possible normal explanation, such as what we call cold reading, where the medium is responding to cues, essentially, that the sitter is giving.
And you see them doing that all the time, don't you?
You see some of the people who are perhaps not alive anymore.
And it's interesting, isn't it, how some of these people who are perhaps quite famous die and don't actually present themselves and come back.
But they will do big audience shows and they'll say, have I got a, is there a Fred?
I'm getting a Fred here.
You know, that's a fishing expedition, isn't it?
Yes, yes.
I mean, that's not...
Hopefully, most of the audience are...
I'm not sure how seriously you would take a person who is throwing out common names.
It's Fred.
No, it's Frederica.
So I think a lot of mediums do use these kinds of techniques and it's not very impressive.
It's harder to dismiss if the medium is coming up with information that is idiosyncratic.
Sue Blackmore, who you may know, is a researcher who was in parapsychology and she sort of became somewhat sceptical of the field.
She did a very interesting study where she gave people, I think this might have been with the Daily Mail, gave people a questionnaire that had various statements in it, such as there's someone called Jack in my family, I own a CD of Handel's water music, I have a scar on my left knee, which these things sound quite specific, but she actually found that a surprisingly large percentage of people said yes to these statements.
So she was suggesting that even when a medium says something that sounds quite specific, we should be careful because it may be that it's a sort of actually still quite stereotypical feature, such as owning a CD of Handel's water music.
So it's difficult to do research with mediums.
One thing that I did do with a student was not testing whether mediums were accurate or not, but we were interested in whether going to see a medium was helpful or not to an individual.
So it was more about the impact of visiting a medium rather than about the accuracy of the medium.
And what we found with our group was that actually, in most cases, those who went to visit a medium did find it comforting.
Because in most cases, and unfortunately, this is not in every case, because mediums, they can be quite exploitative of the bereaved.
But in most cases that we looked at, the mediums were essentially giving comforting messages such as, don't worry, she says, love, she's fine.
She's in another place, she's happy.
Now you should get on with your life.
Don't worry about me.
And that's not a harmful message, if that's the message, very sort of bland message, if you like.
But it's very comforting to the person who's been bereaved.
So I think that's another dimension to mediumistic research.
There hasn't been much research into the consequences of visiting mediums.
In terms of the psychological side of your work, though, there are people, and you must have come across them, I certainly have, and I'm sure you have in your work, who seem to want to medium and psychic shop.
If they don't get the information that they wanted from one, they will go on to another.
And, you know, those people are probably in a minority.
But it is a little worrying, isn't it, when people start to do that?
Yes, that probably means that they're somewhat vulnerable.
That they really need to hear something.
And the thing that I'm worried about is when the medium hooks a person by saying, ah, you've got a curse, and if you come back next week and pay me £20, I'll...
do something to help you get rid of the curse you know or something like that so that they they foster a relationship where the the participant keeps coming back again and again and becoming dependent on them and it's worrying when it's when you're dealing with bereavement because obviously it's a painful process and the person who's been bereaved is very vulnerable.
What about near-death experiences?
Dr. Penny Sartori, who you know is a health service worker or a health worker, has done a lot of work in this field, has published a book recently.
I interviewed her a little while ago.
We'll have her back on the show.
Near-death experiences seem to be very common.
I can even remember my own granddad in Bootle near Liverpool.
When he was about to die, he had cancer.
He didn't realise he was going to die.
The doctor, as they did in those days, this is three decades or more ago, said you've got to get worse before you get better.
Of course, in those days, a lot of people died at home, which he did.
So he had his bed down in the living room, which was a very common thing I know in Liverpool and in Glasgow and Edinburgh, places like that.
And he told us that he had seen relatives, people who'd passed, and was actually, at times when he appeared to be delirious, he came back and said that he was having conversations, dialogue, with relatives who'd crossed over, even one that my own father didn't know about.
Apparently, he'd had a young sister or brother, it escapes me, which it was now, who he'd spoken with, who my dad hadn't even known about.
What do you make of that?
Because it seems to be a very common theme.
I mean, they're relatively rare experiences, and there has been some research into the frequency of near-death experiences.
And what's funny, I think, is what's counterintuitive is that in about 50% of cases, the person isn't actually in danger of dying, but they feel that they are, so they're in a crisis perhaps, but they're not actually physically in danger of dying.
So that to me suggests that in some cases there's a kind of expectation, if you like, a psychological component underlying the experience.
For example, when people have hallucinations, they usually see figures that they're expecting.
So for example, depending on your religious belief, the figure that you see, if you see a kind of all-powerful being, will match your religious expectations, suggesting that your brain is helping to shape the content of the experience.
And I'm sure that's very, very common.
Look, in our last two minutes, and thank you very much for being part of this tonight, Caroline.
Very good of you to come on.
In your years of doing this, the three decades of being connected with the organization that you're in, and now you have this new post, has anybody or anything to you seemed to be more explicable than anything else?
Have you come across a medium, perhaps, who you thought, yes, they really do have it, you don't have to name any names, or a ghost that you thought, yes, that really is something from beyond this world, something that's absolutely gobsmacked, as they say today, you?
No, no, unfortunately not.
No, no.
I mean, I'm more interested in bodies of research, you know, and I think we need to build up the database.
So we tend to do these Gansfeld studies, for example.
And we have got positive results from these studies.
And I think the question is to remove any possible ambiguity from the findings to drive the field further forward than we are at the moment.
And many, many thanks to Caroline Watt of the University of Edinburgh for giving me her time.
I would like to go back and talk with her again at some point.
Okay, as requested now by so many people, a man who hasn't been on The Unexplained, either on radio or online, for a very long time.
And he was always one of my favorite guests.
And I know that in the past, he was always one of Art Bell's favorites on his great shows.
Major Ed Dames, the man who in America they christened Dr. Doom, the remote viewer.
I spoke to him recently and first of all asked him about that moniker that I think Art Bell gave him, Dr. Doom.
It used to be uncomfortable, but it really suits me well.
People ask why I don't have any good news.
Well, my job is really to prevent, in the military, it was to prevent technological surprise on future battlefields.
And as a civilian, it's really to herald some very nasty, catastrophic things that are on the horizon.
So it's it's all right.
We've got a lot of unpicking to do because this show is a new version of The Unexplained across the UK.
So we're going to have to explain technical remote viewing to people.
But let me read before we do that a little bit of your biography here and tell me if the people who wrote this biography got any of this wrong.
The world's foremost remote viewing teacher and creator of technical remote viewing, Major Edward A. Dames, United States Army retired, is a three-times decorated military intelligence officer and an original member of the U.S. Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program.
He served as both training and operations officer for the U.S. government's top secret psychic espionage unit.
Does that sum you up?
Pretty much.
In my civilian life, I've had some fun, too.
I got the chance.
Sir Ben Kingsley plays me in the movie Suspect Zero.
I edited that in Tom Cruise's office while Cruise was making The Last Samurai in New Zealand.
And Kevin Spacey's role in The Men Who Stereo Goats is basically modeled after me as well.
So in addition to my doom and gloom stuff, I get to have some fun in Hollywood once in a while.
You do.
And look, that movie with Ben Kingsley, Suspect Zero, I think it was released in about 2004, 2005, is a movie all about remote viewing.
And Ben Kingsley is the consummate, superb professional actor, gets completely into the role.
It's a marvelous movie that most people haven't heard of.
And it's such a shame.
So I'm just saying to my audience now, if you get a chance to see Suspect Zero with Ben Kingsley, I promise you, if you're interested in any of this, it is a great movie.
And you make a cameo appearance in that, don't you, Ed?
As an FBI instructor, and of course I was a technical advisor as well.
All right, let's get into remote viewing.
Now, a lot of people will have half an idea of what this might be.
They kind of look back at the Cold War, and they know that the Russians were using mental powers to spy on the Americans, and the Americans had a program to do virtually the same in reverse.
But, you know, more than that we need to say.
I met with my KGB.
The KGB had a team, a remote team, but they used natural psychics.
And of course, I'll explain what I mean by that in a moment.
I met with my former KGB counterparts in St. Petersburg last year and offered my assistance on some terrorists, tracking some terrorists for them.
So yeah, they had a team, but what we avail ourselves of and what we did in the Psy Spy Unit, the Psychic Spy Unit, was a breakthrough discovery at Stanford Research Institute on the part of the father of remote viewing, the late Ingo Swan.
He discovered a very structured, systematic, rigorous way that unconscious mind, the unconscious portion of our mind that we have access to only when we sleep or moments of revelation, how that communicates accurately to conscious awareness when we're in awake alert mode.
And it was my job to take that discovery down into the deep, dark world of intelligence and massage it into an information collection tool that we could later analyze and use in intelligence operations.
I stepped down from very celestial levels of dark, deep, dark intelligence world to take over this unit as operation training officer because I was so amazed and in awe of the capability.
In those days we used altered states.
Lying on a bed in an altered state where someone puts you electronically nulled into an altered state and you use that state to collect intelligence.
But then with Ingo's discovery of coordinate remote viewing, which I later evolved into technical remote viewing, we can remain in a very alert state and work alone.
We don't need a facilitator or a monitor and collect in a shorter period of time as much technical information about a person, place, thing, or an event as possible.
Essentially, we have a working hypothesis, a model for how we do this.
We don't know exactly how we do that.
We're going to leave that to academicians to figure it out.
But we have an operating model, hypothesis, and that is that there's only one mind in the universe.
And your brain, our brains is an oscillator immersed in this grand mind, the universal mind, if you will.
And that all things, all things exist as a pattern of information.
Even intangible ideas, love, God, things like that, exist as patterns of information.
And what we do in our business is tune and turn our attention to a specific pattern.
And we hold on to that.
Psychics can't do this when we're not psychics.
We avail ourselves of a birthright, this natural extrasensory perception that all of us have, and we do.
And we avail ourselves, but we turn it into a skill.
And that's what I've been teaching for the past 30 plus years.
And that's how it goes.
So, Ed, what we have to try and get into our minds is this whole idea that you and I, I know, have talked about on radio before, that as you say, all information, all ideas, everything resides in a universal unconscious mind.
And the way I think we can sum it up to people to whom this will be new is it's a little bit like what we call the cloud today with computer information.
You know, there is, for us as human beings on this planet, there is a natural version of the cloud where everything resides.
Correct.
I think that's a good analogy.
The analogy of the Akashic records is not good.
And even Carl Jung's idea of the collective unconscious is not really accurate.
But the cloud idea is very close.
It's a good analogy.
And you know what, though?
I think very soon robots will autonomously be able to participate and extract information from the cloud.
But they will never be able to, and not least in my mind, they will never be able to do what we can do and go into any pattern in the universe at will and extract information.
Machine intelligence will not be able to do that.
So that will keep me around for a while.
Lex Luther ain't got nothing on the screen.
Virtually anything can be a subject, I know, and we will talk about some of those subjects, both the ones that you can anticipate and imagine and the ones you would never have thought could be remote viewed.
But when you get yourself into the state where you're going to do this, how do you open yourself up?
You've set yourself a target.
You want to know more about this particular person or event or place or unfolding set of circumstances.
What do you do then?
Well, we don't have to do anything.
We're in a state in terms of electrical brain states.
We're in a state of very high theta with very little energy in the side lobes, delta, alpha, things like that.
It can get technical there, but I don't need to do that.
The state that we're in, remote viewing is a three-part process.
You have to set up in very systematic ways your target, your person, place, thing, and event, because we're solving for an unknown, the who, what, when, where, why, and how of something, an event that we want to reconstruct, for instance, whether it's a medical problem or whether it's somebody's missing cat or a stolen nuclear weapon.
It's all the same setup.
And how specific does it have to be, Ed?
I'm sorry to interrupt, but if I gave you like a target of Britain's exit from the European Union, because at the moment nobody quite seems to know, having voted to do it, when it's going to happen, could you view that?
No, we would have to take that as a fuzzy set in terms of problem solving.
A fuzzy set and to break it out into goals, and then we can task organize the mission.
But we can't use something like that as what we call in our business a topical search.
It's just too messy and too broad.
So we have to set up the target in very, very precise ways.
And then the act of remote viewing is the second part.
And in that act, there is no thinking allowed.
It's very much akin to playing the piano, where you take the structure that you're taught.
And my DVDs teach this, and that's what I've been teaching for the past 30 years.
You take that structure and then you subject your target to that.
And you Keep moving and there's no thinking allowed.
You're taught how to adjudicate imagination, how to adjudicate your own subjectiveness about a target.
And psychics can't do this.
They lose the target very quickly and it's difficult for them to return to a target, but not for us.
We can turn a target into a project again and again and again and return to it with as much detail as we want.
But that, where our eyes are open, or it's a pen on paper in front of us, and the structure, it's very easy to learn.
There's about 400 small steps to learn.
It would be equivalent to learning how to bake a pineapple upside-down cake if you've never baked one before.
You open the oven, this is an oven, you do this, you do that.
And if you follow that flowchart correctly after 400 minor steps, pineapple upside-down cake comes out of the oven.
But you've also learned how to bake anything, a ham or whatever.
So that's the second part.
It's like playing the piano.
You do not think about the note that you just played.
Otherwise, the music stops.
Right.
So if, for example, and again, I'm sorry I'm interrupting because of the delay on the phone line.
But if you were given the target of, I don't know, the leader of ISIS, the leader of a terrorist organization of some sort, I presume you have to tune out your own emotions towards this person.
In other words, you might think this person is evil, badly motivated, whatever.
You've got to get rid of all of that in order to be able to track and see them.
Oh, you're not allowed any.
Yeah, your ego and your imagination and anything.
Once that pen touches the paper and you begin work, uh-uh, all that's got to go out the window.
Everything.
General Motors Corporation, many years ago, hired me.
I run my own intelligence operation now, a private consultant group, the Matrix Intelligence Agency.
And I was hired by General Motors to suss out the deep mind of Saddam Hussein while he was still alive.
And in my thinking mind, my lower egoic mind, my analytical mind, I thought, well, this guy, from what I know, is very much like Joe Stalin.
But when I did the work, uh-uh.
I went into his deep mind as well as all my employees.
And the bottom line was that he perceived himself as sort of a Gilgamesh, the epic Babylonian figure on a white horse taking care of his people, and not like Joe Stalin.
So, yeah, you cannot take any biases and any preconceived notions about a target into your work.
When police tell me, well, this child was a victim of a homicide, I say, uh-uh, we do our own work.
We'll figure out what happened.
And in a real-world case, a child was found on the side of the road.
And we were asked to reconstruct the event.
Well, it wasn't a homicide.
The child was a teenager who OD'd on drugs in a car.
Her classmates and friends panicked and threw her out the door.
That's not a homicide.
So we throw out all our preconceived notions about all targets.
All right, before we take some commercials, just one quick question about Saddam Hussein, who is no longer with us, and many people will say whoopee about that.
Saddam, you viewed Saddam Hussein on behalf of General Motors.
Why did they want to involve you in that, and why did they want to fund that?
They wanted to know if the first war, the Desert Shield, would go down or not, whether he was willing to engage in a war with the U.S. because for every unit that uses gasoline, we're talking about tractors, cars, lawnmowers, whatever, for every dollar that a barrel of oil goes up, General Motors loses about 100,000 sales.
I totally get it.
I want to talk about a couple of things that you've been heavily involved in for a long time.
And of course, the biggest one of all, and we've talked about it many, many times over 12 years or so of doing bits on radio together, Ed, the idea of the kill shot.
Now, this is the great burst of energy from the sun, and we know what solar flares can do.
They can take out power grids and do all sorts of things.
But on a bigger scale than that, you've been predicting for a very long time something like that is coming our way, yeah?
I have been predicting, yes, that extremely large solar flares will take down power grids and infrastructures, not all at once and not everywhere in the world, but to an extent that will be ongoing and that that's coming very soon.
In fact, I predicted the largest solar flare in history two weeks prior to it happening.
People can go back and check that out on the web.
That solar flare, a whole new logarithmic band beyond the idea of the X-band in terms of X-ray effects and solar flares, had to be created.
And scientists waited, NASA scientists waited two years to say, by the way, if that would have been directed at Earth, it would have taken out, it would have extinguished most of the life on Earth.
But it was directed away from us, toward other areas of the solar system.
But what I said, I called that the shot across the bow, which we predicted.
And that the next ones would take out a great deal of life on Earth because it will take down power grids.
And once that goes down, no food, no water, and starvation will be the thing.
Many of my civilian clients, I have found sanctuary locations for them, and that's what I've been doing.
I've almost stopped doing that now because I need to live my own life and move.
We're in trouble.
I've got to say that I've been listening to you talk about the kill shot on radio with Art Bell, for example, probably 12 years ago, probably more than that.
There will be people and there are people online saying, well, it hasn't happened, so why need we worry?
Well, just look at what NASA said about that shot across the bell.
NASA, it would have extinguished a great deal of life on Earth, quote, unquote.
Go back and look.
So that was pointed the wrong way.
I mean, it was pointed the right way.
You know, we dodged a very, very, not a bullet, but a cannonball.
If that happens and a flare of that magnitude is directed towards Earth, which is unprecedented.
I mean, the Carrington event, it was bigger than the Carrington event in 1879, which set paper on fire in terms of telegraph stations.
We can stick our head in the sand and say we're going to wake up one day and everything will be the same, but uh-uh, after this happens, after an event like this happens, probably multiple times, we go back to the Stone Age, and it doesn't take nuclear warfare to do that.
The Sun will take care of it for us.
Of course, there will be a lot of people who say there is no proof for this, and we're not going to change our holiday plans on the basis of this.
Oh, no, of course, I understand.
Life goes on, and I know, I understand that.
All I'm saying is that way back when we looked ahead, because minds outside of time and remote viewing can act as an over-the-horizon radar, we saw this huge thing that I called a discontinuity, a discontinuity in terms of human evolution, cultural evolution.
And we spent a long time discerning what that was, and that's what the kill shot's all about.
Even that neologism that I invented has been adopted all over the world now.
Scientists are now calling it a potential kill shot.
That's right.
There was a time when I only heard you talk about it, and I do see references to the word kill shot elsewhere.
Does remote viewing allow you to be precise about timings?
You know, to have an idea of when you think this might happen?
No, it's one of not yet.
It's one of our real limitations.
One of the limitations we had in the military unit in terms of finding hostages and terrorists in the Mideast, Terry Wade, Terry Anderson, Colonel Higgins, some of your old-timers might remember that.
I'm an old-timer too now.
It was precision, but it took me 15 years of work.
One of the reasons I haven't been on your program is my workload.
Also, I'm a recluse.
I really don't like public.
I like to be alone in the wilderness.
But you are.
I mean, I described you, and this is not a joke, and it's not to deride you in any way, because you and I have known each other for a long time, but I described you to my producer, Emma, as an international man of mystery.
You like to keep a very low profile, don't you?
I do, and it's not just about the mystique of intelligence and all that, which is fun, you know, fun thing for Hollywood and for all of those.
I can tell you some funny stories about the mystique of intelligence.
For instance, when I forgot one of my cover names.
So, you know, the spies can be like an actual smart one that I was, at least.
Maybe it's because I'm blonde.
But anyway, the...
Well, I'm blonde to what kind of blonde too, yes.
I understand that.
So, look, back to the kill shot.
How do you remote view the sun?
I mean, the sun is our star.
We depend on it.
It gives us life.
How on earth do you remote view events involving it?
No, we can't remote view the sun.
We can remote view the sun, but really, you know, in fact, as punishment for some of my military remote viewers who really screwed up their practice training, I put them as a blind target into the center of the sun, you know, just because I was angry.
Because they weren't doing well as a training officer.
But eventually.
Insane.
What we were seeing ahead of the game was this huge thing that interrupted life on the Earth.
Right, so you see the consequences, you don't see the event.
That's right, and then we track back the cause in terms of cause and effect.
Remote views direct knowledge.
All right, why are people dying from this particular event?
Describe the event and describe its source, and that's how we got back to the sun.
The when problem, well, it took me 15 years, 15 years to solve the search problem, which I did.
That information is now a trade secret.
It's proprietary to my agency, but it was very hard work.
We didn't think we could ever, in terms of land navigation, the idea of resection, finding where you are if you dropped in the middle of nowhere, in terms of triangulation and all of that.
But we did it.
And now I can find a target anywhere in the world, a person, place, or a thing, down to within one Cartesian coordinate second.
That's 20 meter radius.
We could never do anything like that in the past.
And what I'm using that for now is treasure hunting.
I'm taking a sabbatical for my work.
I'm doing some treasure hunting, bringing some stolen art and missing art treasures, because I certainly don't want to be an economic slave to what's coming.
And this is one way to preclude that for me.
It's also fun.
It's a lot of fun.
Could your skills be used, before we conclude the kill shot, just to take you down a little cul-de-sac here for a moment, as we say, could your skills be used to locate the supposed train full of stolen gold and artworks and that sort of thing that the Nazis fled with, it is claimed.
There was a train full of this stuff that was then hidden and put in a siding somewhere, maybe in Poland.
Would you be able to target that, or is it too imprecise a target?
Oh, absolutely.
It's a piece of cake for me.
It just a piece of colour.
All I would need is only one piece that was a missing piece that was supposedly put on a train.
Only a description of it, a photo would be great, and that's it.
Katie, you know, it's really a simple thing for something like that.
But we don't go into a problem assuming that the Nazis had a train, blah, blah, blah.
What I need is a specific target, one painting, one Fabergé egg, whatever, just that.
And then I can locate it with each.
And if it happens to be on a train like that, that's fine.
Right.
So this is how we need to understand this then.
You would need to get hold of, say there were twin artworks, as you say, twin Fabergé eggs, something like that.
If you could have and hold or see one of them, you can then use that as your portal to find the other one.
Oh, I don't have to never have to hold it.
Psychics need to do that, but this is why it's called remote viewing.
No, all I would need is a description of the particular artifact or thing.
A photo would be great.
And then in a matter of a couple of days, three days at the most, if I worked all day and night, right down to within a 20-meter radius, that's where it is.
Did it happen to be on the train?
We would know that, certainly.
But if it didn't, we'd know that too.
In fact, I was tasked by some Germans once to locate pieces of the amber chamber, the Bernstein Zimmer.
That was a very, very famous case that went missing, and we did that.
Let's conclude the kill shot, though.
One of the things I remember you saying, and this is a long time ago, but I think you've been pretty consistent about saying this, is that one of the precursor events to this is the use, I think I'm right in saying, of a nuclear weapon, a tactical nuclear weapon on the Korean peninsula.
Is that right?
No, I didn't say tactical.
I said the use of a nuclear weapon in anger.
The next use of a nuclear weapon in anger is one of the things we'll know when we're very close to the sequence of very large solar flares.
And I said that the use that, and I said this 20 years ago, and everybody laughed at me because at that time no one believed that the DPRK, North Korea, had nuclear weapons or maybe a few kilograms of plutonium.
But that's what they said, that it would be used on the Korean Peninsula.
And take a look at what's going on in North Korea today.
In fact, I think that within the next 30 days, there will be another nuclear test on the part of DPRK.
Well, let's have a look at the news and see if that actually happens.
I'm going to get back to your question about the when.
That problem, what we call the search problem, has been solved in remote viewing.
But the when problem, the time problem, has not.
It's still an experimental R ⁇ D stage.
I'm not sure if it ever will be solved on my watch or wherever, but we're working on it.
So you're constantly looking for signs.
You're constantly looking for signs like that nuclear detonation that will tell you that the thing that you've seen is getting near.
We're looking at precursor events to that.
But there's also some other things that we see in our business where in terms of the, let's say, one train of thought is investments.
I do a lot of work and look at customers and corporations with optimum investments, current investments.
And that has changed over the last 10 years from gold to silver to seed packets to weapons and ammo.
And these are money.
I am not talking about prepping things.
An investment is interpreted by the collective mind, what we call the matrix.
In fact, Terry-Ann Moss was in the Matrix, and she was in Suspect Zero as well.
Again, just anecdotally.
The idea of investment is interpreted, adjudicated by mind as money.
We know that empirically.
So the go from gold to silver to seed packets to guns and ammo in the last one year means we're getting close to something very big.
And what I'm saying is martial law in most places, and Mad Max scenarios because of, well, the sun and false flags in certain places.
And I wish to mention to your listeners that for the past two and a half years or more, I have said, and my gut feeling is there will be no next American president election, that Obama is the last U.S. president.
That's a big, big thing to claim, Ed.
How can you know that?
How will that work?
Because of the economic conditions worldwide and a number of geopolitical, economic things that I don't want to go into this.
I have presentations that are behind closed doors where I've talked about this.
But the bottom line is that the powers that be in my country need to stay, the powers that be.
That's why Russia and China are critical enemies.
They're going against the grain in terms of the new world order and the globalists.
So something has to happen.
Something has to go down right now.
We're in dire straits economically in my country, largest debtors in the world on and on.
All your listeners know this.
Something's going to go down.
So we're looking at a false flag and reason to declare, for the president to declare, all bets are off, including elections, and there will be martial law in some places.
Okay, now we have to say that this is your view.
This is not a proven fact.
So this is the view of remote viewer Ed Dames you're hearing here on Talk Radio Tonight.
So you are saying that, and more and more people are using this phrase, false flag, a staged event may happen that will permit the presidential election not to occur.
You got it.
Or if it does occur, it'll be nixed.
It doesn't matter.
I mean, this is why I do.
This is not just politically incorrect.
There are a lot of other things that are very heavy-hitting that I can't say on radio.
Well, that's cool.
That I understand, but that's a big deal.
So you are saying what a lot of the so-called conspiracy theorists say, that there is an agenda towards global government, global IST government, and there are factors that are militating against that.
So something is going to be staged to make sure that plan gets back on track.
Correct.
And with the qualification that China and Russia, who I predicted more than 15 years ago, would unite in terms of not protagonists, but protecting themselves against the U.S. delivering more democracy to more countries.
All right.
Now, you said that you couldn't predict time scales, but you said this stuff is coming down the track fairly soon.
Oh, we can look over the horizon very, very easily.
In terms of a good analogy would be if you're standing somewhere and you see a mountain range ahead, a big mountain range, maybe you're a hiker and you're hiking.
It's very, very easy to see that mountain range.
But because we have no parallax view in terms of remote viewing yet, in terms of time, we have no time parallax, you cannot judge how distant that mountain range is.
You see what I mean?
But it's very easy to see the bridge out ahead, allegorically speaking, in terms of what I just said, New World Order, and China and Russia trying to block this New World Order in terms of their own skins.
We're in for a hot time in the old times tonight.
And the next year and a half is going to be miserably grim and deadly for a great number of people on the street.
Well, that's going to come as a big surprise to the people who put together the economy figures for the United Kingdom last week, which were, even though we're Brexiting, we're getting out of the EU, they were good.
You know, employment looking good, the economy looking good.
So you're telling me that things ain't so good over in the good old U.S., but here in the UK, we seem to be doing all right.
Ah, come on, Howard.
The media, you know, they're just puppets.
Congress and my country are just puppets.
The president is an empty suit.
You'll hate me for saying this, right?
But it has to be said, when you used to appear on my radio show back in the day, and when you've done my podcast, you have a lot of fans.
A lot of people love you and the stuff you say.
And there are people who say, Ed Dames makes predictions, they don't happen, and then you never hear about them again.
So you're predicting a lot of stuff there.
What will you do?
Because it's coming quite soon from what you say, if it doesn't happen.
What will you say or do?
Oh, I'll have a holiday.
I'll celebrate and retire.
That's not.
I mean, I retire now.
I'm actually celebrating.
I'm taking a sabbatical from teaching and all these 15 years of work.
One of my projects is Amelia Earhart to bring that wreckage.
But the Lesau Blanc is my flagship operation.
If you know anything about Amelia Earhart, it's a long story and I can't go into it, but we'd be very keen at some point to hear about that.
I want to talk with you about a couple of other things to tie up some loose ends, if I can.
I want to do that in just a moment, so stay right there.
The master of technical remote viewing, Major Ed Dames, is on to us from the U.S. A quick question from Tracy for you, Ed.
Tracy asks, can you ask Ed if he ever used hypnotism as part of remote viewing?
By the sounds of the techniques you talked about, you don't need to use hypnotism, but Tracy would like to know.
No, no, no.
In fact, we've helped a lot of therapists too.
For instance, let's say that somebody has agoraphobia, a woman has agoraphobia, fear open spaces.
Hypnotists might have to go through all months and months, if not years, of regression to try to get to the etiology of that particular problem.
But in 45 minutes, remote view can take the subject, let's say a woman has agoraphobia, and remote view the source or the origin and describe a little girl sitting on, perhaps hypothetically, sitting on a bus at a bus stop waiting for a school bus and being terrorized by a vicious pit bull, a dog.
And then that person, she locks that up and her psyche needs to protect itself or she'll have nightmares the rest of her life.
And she locks that up in her psyche.
But it becomes a problem as she becomes older.
Well, remote viewers can go right to the origin and the source where hypnotists, hypnotherapy has to sort through all kinds of layers, and even then may not get the accurate truth.
And I want to say one more thing about predictions.
I think if your listeners go to Fukushima Predicted, where I told the Japanese government that one of their reactors, is going to break and cause a mini Chernobyl, and I lived next to Chernobyl for many years, that the Japanese said, oh, we can't tell our listeners that, but I bet it's recorded.
It's history, and your viewers can see that.
And that's a pretty practical application of remote viewing in terms of preventing loss of life.
Or if the Japanese news would have shown that particular clip, having perhaps prevented some future loss of life.
Did you follow through on Fukushima?
In other words, what's going to happen next with it?
Because people are saying that that story is by no means at an end.
Oh, it is the most serious human man-made disaster in recorded history.
Absolutely, hands down.
Nothing can stop it.
If they would have went to the Russians immediately, if the Japanese government was not so proud, and TEPCO and Westinghouse, they should have gone to the Russians, and maybe, perhaps the Russians could have scrambled and helped them, but they did not.
And now there is no technology in the world available today that can stop what's about to happen.
The poisoning, in terms of marine and airborne plumes in the Pacific, no.
No.
I don't want to go into that, but it is the gift that keeps on giving.
Right.
Your listeners can check all that out.
No, it's not just you who's saying that.
We have Linda Moulton Howe on here who is perennially concerned about Fukushima.
Now, one of the things that you did with Art Bell on those classic American radio shows was that you talked about something that I thought you would never do because it is so beyond the pale.
But you talked once, I seem to remember, about remote viewing the devil.
Talk to me about that.
Satan.
Satan.
Not the devil.
Yeah, the concept of Satan, what we call a topical search, because we're not sure.
And a topical search, questions like, for instance, the FBI's a unabomber case that we cracked for the FBI after 17 years.
The idea of the Unibomber is a neologism, and we call it a topic.
So we had to break that out and find out.
And in fact, I arm-twisted the deputy director, James Moody, the FBI, to solve that problem.
It's a topic.
Did they ever give you the credit for that, by the way, Ed?
Did they ever give you the credit for cracking the Unibomber case?
You say you did?
I knew they wouldn't, and I told them.
So I made them hand receipt, sign for our work, and I have the signature.
Because I knew they would never, you know, cotton up to working with the occult psychics.
So I made them hand receipt for the work.
I knew better.
I'd be keen to see that.
In terms of the subject of psyche, yeah?
Yeah, because of the Columbine disaster, Columbine killing in the high school, there was no precedent for that in history.
Children killing children.
And when that happened, I had to ask myself, I asked myself, maybe the idea of good and evil are real.
And if they are, is the idea of as above, so below, and is the idea of Satan or Lucifer, the bright and shining star, you know, the fallen angel, are these real things?
And we had already established in our minds as a military team that the idea of guardian angels is real.
Angels are real.
That's a story in and of itself.
But is this idea of Satan real?
So that's what I remote viewed.
I wanted to know if there was an influence, a metaphysical, existential, etheric influence on mankind.
Did that affect these children?
So that's why I did it.
And what did you find?
I found out that there's a real entity, and it's in another dimension, and it's so beautiful.
It's so crystalline, absolutely beautiful.
And if you get near it, it'll suck the soul right out of you.
and it knows when you're looking at it.
That was the thing I wanted to bring out here because I remember you telling Art Bell that in remote viewing, usually the subject does not know you're watching it.
But in this instance, Satan, whatever that might be, knew and was aware of you.
Three, perhaps four, but angels, guardian angels know when you turn your attention to them.
There's a unit, an agency, extraterrestrial agency.
It's actually interdimensional that knows when you're looking at them.
And this other, I'm never going back, that attract again, it knows when you're looking at them.
So, yeah.
And do you feel a sense in that situation, do you feel a sense of risk yourself?
In other words, the feeling that this thing is going to get you?
Oh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like what we call in our business by location, where half of your conscious awareness is at the target and the other half, you know, is recording information.
Because you can't stop.
You've got to keep moving.
In the remote viewing unit, we killed two people.
The first operations officer put, you remember this fire in the sky, it was a Travis Walton event where he was picked up by a UFO?
Well, first operations officer, when we used altered states, put one of the experienced RVers in that particular object.
We don't use the term vehicle or craft in our work, too.
And he thought he was just going to be remote viewing another classified biological warfare laboratory in Russia or a secret ICBM research site or something like that.
Uh-uh.
Yeah, the operations officer put him inside this thing that picked up Travis Walton.
He had a heart attack right there on the bed because in the old days we were laying down on the bed and we were electronically neutral and those kinds of things like that.
So yeah, even though half of your conscious awareness is somewhere else, you still feel extreme threat in some cases.
In fact, there was one remote viewer in the unit.
I could not use him in military operations in Afghanistan against the Russians because in real life he was a coward.
And you take that, you don't lose that in terms of a mind consciousness tool.
So I couldn't use him in battle operations where we needed to know if the mind that just popped was anthrax or stand in front of a battlefield tactical laser, determine the polarization, those kinds, or any directed energy weapon characteristics.
I couldn't use him.
If anybody wants to know about TRV and your work, I know that you've got, I think you've got more than one website, but where would they go?
LearnRV.com.
I teach there, even though I'm taking a sabbatical and semi-retirement.
It's all free, all the techniques and the methods.
And I have sets of DVDs.
If people really want to learn that, they can learn that through the DVDs.
But I want to stress to people that this is a skill like any other skill.
Don't try to jump into the advanced stuff, just like martial arts.
You know, Americans are really, we want it now type of mentality.
I want that black belt next week type of thing.
Don't do that with the skill.
You just hurt yourself, and it'll change your life.
Be ready because now you know that you can know anything once you taste this.
And that's a big life changer.
Major Ed Dames, he will return.
No idea when, but I know that he will.
And I wish him well.
Thanks, Ed, for doing the show this time.
Lots of requests for you.
I did do on the radio show only last night as I record this, David Paul Lidas about his new book, Missing 411, Missing 411, Hunters.
I'm going to put that on here at some point, so you're not going to miss it if you listen to the podcast wherever in the world you are.
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My name is Howard Hughes.
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