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May 17, 2012 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 80 - Mayan Calendar

The show returns with world expert on the Mayan Calendar – Dr Carl Johan Calleman. Does theCalendar really predict the end of civilization as we know at the end of 2012? And what else is ittelling us about life on this planet?

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Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Return of the Unexplained.
Well look, the first thing I want to say is thank you for bearing with me over this last five weeks or so since I last did a show.
I've had a lot of emails, some of them very, very brief, just saying, where are you?
And unfortunately, I haven't been able to come on here and tell you exactly what happened.
So I'll tell you now very briefly, they do say that in life when problems come, they don't come singly.
They come perhaps in pairs or maybe in threes.
Well, that's a fact, and I can definitely attest to that.
I got a virus about seven weeks ago.
I might have mentioned it on the show.
Eventually, it went to my ears and made them very, very bunged up and left me with a thing called tinnitus.
Now, if you have it, and millions of people do, famous names like William Shatner and many other people have this thing.
You know what it is.
It can sometimes be the response to an acoustic trauma, like a very loud noise, if you've been to a rock concert or something like that, or it can be the response to a virus.
That, it seems, is what mine is.
It is a constant ringing in the ears that never changes, accompanied by some hearing loss that we're hoping is eventually going to work its way away.
Now, I'm not a patient person.
In fact, I'm not a patient patient, and I'm pushing the medics to try and get some results on this as quickly as possible.
But I'm NHS here in England.
In other words, I'm having my treatment on the public health system.
I tried to fund a little bit of the treatment myself at the beginning, ran out of money.
So now I'm with the NHS, and it's good, but a bit slow.
But that's where I am at the moment, trying to get treatment for this.
And I haven't been able, literally, to record anything during these weeks.
In fact, it's had some other consequences for me in my life, too.
I had to effectively give up my job.
Some of you in London may have heard me doing shows here, news shows.
For the moment, I've had to give up everything.
And hopefully, I'm going to be better before the money runs out and I'm working on it, but not the greatest few weeks of my life at all.
And I'd just like to thank all of the people in the National Health Service who've assisted me with this and those who are going to for the care and concern that you've shown to me in this situation.
So that's the reason why I haven't been around.
Now, just a couple of things to catch up on.
London has a new mayor.
And I say London has a new mayor.
He's the same as the old mayor.
Ken Livingston lost the mayoral election here.
Ken Livingston, left-wing politician, very well known in London, celebrated politician, guy with a bit of a track record.
In the end, narrowly lost out to Boris Johnson, the incumbent.
And we have another few years of Boris Johnson as the mayor of London and doubtless a lot of controversy around that too, as there would have been had Ken Livingston been elected.
But the one thing I would say about this mayoral election we went through in London is we had the weakest selection of policies and candidates that I think I've ever seen in a political contest.
It was a bore and had it not been for a few rows, including one that resulted in some swearing in an elevator at the building in which I worked until a few weeks ago, I don't think this would have been a very interesting competition at all.
And the turnout for the election was very, very low.
And my message to the parties next time is give us a bit of interest, give us a bit of diversity, and maybe we'll come out and vote.
Because a lot of Londoners didn't.
Another thing that is, I think, slipping under the radar, and maybe that's sad.
There was a story here about four weeks ago about a young guy who worked for the British Security Service as a code breaker.
Now this young guy disappeared from work and his work colleagues and his bosses didn't bother to phone the police, we later heard, until a number of days after he went missing.
He was eventually found in his apartment, in his bath, zipped into a leather bag, the kind of thing you would take on an aircraft.
Now they tried to do some experiments to see if anybody could by themselves zip themselves into a bag and a guy tried 700 times to do it and was only able to do it and not even then properly once in 700 times.
The guy was found in this bag in the bathroom with the temperature turned up.
Now that is a classic way to speed up decomposition.
What that would have meant is as this body decomposed, and I'm trying to put this as nicely as I can, the residues would have run from the bag and down into the bath and away.
So any DNA traces of anybody else who might have been there, gone.
Pretty much so.
And that's why the inquest into this guy's death returned a narrative verdict that is basically saying we don't quite know what happened here.
And that's the way it's going to stay, unless somebody investigates it.
I don't think I'm big enough and brave enough to do that, but it is unlikely I would think that somebody could find themselves by themselves in a situation like that.
But hey, life never fails to amaze, and maybe that was the case.
But it has all the hallmarks of a fantastic conspiracy theory investigation if somebody's going to be big enough and brave enough to do it.
Because if this guy did not die in a natural way, I say in a natural way, by his own machinations, then who else and what else was involved?
A fascinating story.
Up here in the northern hemisphere, we have springtime.
That has been marked, of course, this being the United Kingdom, by a lot of rain and some weird weather, some strong winds.
Sunshine today as I record this, but we've had some very strong winds.
And around the world, there's been some very odd weather, too.
I was listening to CBC Radio from Canada last night.
And in Yellowknife, where it ought to be warming up now in the far north of Canada, they had snow last night.
So, you know, a lot of strange weather.
But, you know, I'm hopeful that we're going to get some kind of summer time.
Now, thank you very much for your many, many emails, by the way.
I will get back to you as soon as I can.
Lots of emails, lots of great suggestions about guests.
In fact, we're about to talk with a guest that you suggested here on The Unexplained.
I'll tell you more about that in just a second.
Thank you to Adam Cornwell at Creative Hotspot in Liverpool for bearing with me over these weeks.
The man who gets the show out to you and created our fantastic website.
Thank you to Martin for the theme tune.
And above all, Thank you to you for keeping the faith.
Please visit the website, by the way, www.theunexplained.tv.
There, you can leave me feedback, or you can leave a donation if you would like to keep this work going.
Now, the guest this time is a man called Dr. Carl Johann Kalman.
He was born in Stockholm, Sweden.
He's a PhD in physical biology from the University of Stockholm in 1984.
We are talking to him because of his lifelong interest in and dedication to the Mayans and their calendar.
Subject he wanted me to talk about for a long, long time.
Dr. Kalman is based now in the United States, West Coast, so we're going to connect with him right now to talk about his latest research and why he believes there is more to the Mayan calendar than perhaps some of the popular tabloid newspapers in the UK would tell you.
Let's get him on now.
Dr. Kalman, thank you for coming on The Unexplained.
Thank you.
It's a pleasure.
I'm looking forward to it.
Now, Carl, I don't know a great deal about you.
I do know that a lot of my listeners have suggested that I talk to you, and we haven't before touched on the subject of the Mayans and their calendar.
But I think what we need to do, first of all, is to find out a little bit about you.
What's your story?
Well, my story is that I'm born in Stockholm, Sweden, 62 years ago.
Actually, it was my birthday, the day before yesterday was my birthday.
Happy birthday.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We should all sing.
And I grew up there and I started a career, you might say, as a scientist.
I got a PhD in the field of physical biology and I was doing research in environmental chemistry.
This was quite an early time in the 70s when we were starting for the first time really to look in nature for all these various substances that industry had brought into it and starting to monitor whatever was going on.
And then I spent another 10 years as a senior researcher here in Seattle at the University of Washington.
And so it sort of makes up for a 20-year career quite traditionally in academics, in the fields of science, chemistry, cancer research, biology, and so forth.
So great credentials as a mainstream scientist.
I would presume then something happened to change your view of the world?
Well, yeah.
In 1979, I was, well, I just felt I wanted to break from the test tubes.
And there was a time, I found on a bulletin board at the University of Stockholm, there was some announcement you could go to Mexico and learn Spanish and stay in a Mexican family.
And I decided to, somehow it just called me.
And I went there and it was quite a strong, everything was very, very happy, I think, in those five weeks that I spent there visiting the big pyramids in Teotihuacan,
but mostly then when I went down to the Mayan region, Yucatan and Guatemala even, and visited some of the sites and had some contact with the Mayan people.
And it just made me feel that there was a purpose to my life in a new way somehow.
Before this had happened, I had already, I always sort of thought every day was, well, we'll see what happens basically when you woke up.
And that was that day.
And then there was the next day.
And that's okay too.
I mean, it's the way of living in the present.
But at that point, I also got the feeling that, well, there is something, there is a direction, there is a purpose.
And that was somewhat of a, just emotionally, not really knowing what that purpose was, except that it was linked to these peoples, the ancient Maya especially, that I could tell.
All right.
Tell me about the people that you met when you were there.
This is back in 1979, isn't it?
Because they must have had a pretty big part in changing your perceptions.
Well, they did, but I didn't talk too much.
I met some people, but it was quite brief encounters.
This was even before you might say elders and these kind of knowledgeable people to some extent in the traditions had surfaced.
But it was something that they, it was actually, what made an impression to me is that they seemed to see something in me, in me.
And they would, you know, these, they would sometimes, it happens more than once that they came up and gave me some little amulet or something like that from nowhere.
And this is for you.
And it just moved me very much.
I have no idea why they did that.
And you're convinced that it wasn't anymore, it wasn't just hospitality.
No, well, if it was, I don't think it was a hospitality they would give to anyone because it was sort of came out of the blue.
And so that was really, these encounters was really the kind of encounters I had.
And also sort of small chats with people along the way.
And I really felt very much connected and very much in love with these people for reasons that I had no idea why I did, but that's just the way I felt.
And then that whole trip had a profound influence on my way of life or way of looking at life because previously being a scientist, you know, you're basically Trained in a tradition that says that there is no purpose to life.
Life is an accident.
That's basically the Darwinist idea.
Life came out as an accident, and so we, you know, we do what we like with it, basically.
But this was something else, and because it was something pointing to some kind of a direction and purpose that my life would have.
And that stayed with me.
And then it was in the year 1993, essentially, that I came to a sort of a point of choice where I decided to leave my previous career and instead devote myself completely to the Mayan calendar to make sense of it.
Yeah, to make sense of it to myself.
Okay, well, that's not like a sudden realization, though.
You had 15 years to think about it, didn't you?
That is right.
And things changed also in this time.
I moved to America and then I came here in what might you call a heyday of new age, which was like the years 1986, 87, 88.
And then I was also, I read Jose Argue's book, The Mayan Factor, which was published in 1987, and where he outlined an idea that the Mayan calendar is some kind of a template of how history unfolds and put it in a spiritual context,
which I had not really consciously done myself.
And then came this event where I also participated called the Harmonic Convergence, which it was a large-scale event.
You know, I would suspect maybe 100,000 people or something like that, especially in the US, but in other parts of the world too, participated.
And then sort of that gave some kind of a context to all the interests that I really had felt when I was in Mexico a couple of years before that.
Would I be unfair in saying that the way that the outside world might look at what happened to you is that you fell in with a bunch of hippies.
Is that right?
Well, yeah, you might say so.
I always had that kind of attraction to the alternative.
And so, yeah, you might say that.
I mean, we have to say that, you know, I'm not being flippant about this, but in the 1960s, of course, these people got a lot of publicity.
But in California, places like that, they and their ideas never went away.
And I think for the rest of us, you know, over here in Europe and what have you, life went on.
We forgot about transcending this day-to-day world and all the rest of it.
And the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s passed by.
And it's only now that a lot of us are coming back to these ideas.
I think so.
I think so.
Yeah.
Okay, so there you are with the harmonic convergence and on the brink of doing something different with your life, yeah?
Yeah.
And I started to go more frequently from Seattle to Mexico.
And, you know, I would actually spend sometimes a full week inside a temple down in Palenque and also travel around between these different pyramids.
And, you know, just trying.
I really didn't know what I was doing.
I was just following a calling, you might say.
But I was happy doing it and it was sort of exciting.
What am I supposed to meet here?
But I did have a very strong feeling that I'm supposed to do these things.
And until 1992, 93, I never came up with any sort of original thoughts of myself about the Mayan calendar.
And I remember at one point sort of trying to start to write something about it, but nothing really, it didn't flow, so to speak.
But then there came a shift point there, and when it just started and I couldn't stop.
And even though I was basing myself then on what I read from other people's works, it soon turned into something that was very original and really was not coming from somebody else.
It just came through me, so to speak.
And that's how you decided that this was going to be effectively your life's work.
I think we have to explain for people who only read the tabloid newspapers in places like the UK and only read these stories about 2012, it's the end of the world, the Mayans said so.
I think we first of all have to explain who the Mayans were, because they were very, very special people.
Yes.
It's a people, a Native American people, that we can track them back maybe 5,000 years when they start first to cultivate mice, maize, sorry, not mice, as a language thing.
They didn't cultivate mice, they cultivated maize or corn, as we say in America.
And then about 2,000 years ago, there are mushrooming cities, pyramids in the region that is today Guatemala and southern Mexico, Yucatan, Chiapas, and so forth.
And they develop a special culture around royal dynasties, you would say, and Who are some kind of a shamanic kings because they also have these functions of providing the contact of their peoples to the other world, so to speak, the world behind the veils, as shamans would talk about.
So, a long time before we were around, here was a group of people who had a lot in common with another group of people who were thousands of miles away from where they were, the Egyptians.
And the question that a lot of us have been asking for a very long time, and it's hard to find any kind of rational answer for it, is there's so much in common between these two groups of people.
How can that be at that time?
There was no internet at that time.
There was no radio at that time.
How could they have been so similar?
Yes.
Well, the solution to the Mayan calendar that I have come up with is basically that we're all part of a global mind.
In other words, our brains are in resonance with a global brain, or it's actually better to say a human.
Each of our minds is in resonance with a global mind.
Are you saying that that is our connection to what people call Mother Earth, or is that our connection to each other?
I am saying that this is our metaphysical connection.
It is our connection to the metaphysical forces that have created the course of history.
It is more like a metaphysical mind is operating on the Earth as a substrate.
If you talk about the global mind, or if you talk about the individual human mind, it's more like the mind is operating on the brain as a substrate.
In other words, our minds do not originate in our brains.
Our minds come from a cosmic field that has provided, for instance, this separation between the left and the right brain act that has been so much emphasized in the past decades.
So this way of approaching reality that comes from our mind ultimately comes from a metaphysical power, if you like.
Okay, what is it in what the Mayans wrote or drew or thought or did that makes you believe that?
Well, it's quite clear, really, I think, to me, because when today this final is talked about the end of the calendar, and whether it's an end of the calendar or not, that's something to be debated.
But this calendar that we talk about as possibly ending, that started in 3115 BC.
And that is in the inscriptions of Palenke among the Maya.
And the crucial question for us to understand is why did they set a calendar to begin at that particular time?
Do you believe that there was one crucial cataclysmic, catastrophic, or just defining moment?
I believe it was a defining moment.
And we are not at a complete loss here as to what that was, because the Maya themselves have a clear inscription of what happened.
What they say in Palenke is that someone they call the first father, maybe we should transcribe it to God, but anyway, if we just take it at face value, it says the first father.
He erected something they called the world tree, or they have another name for it, which is the eight partition place.
And basically, this is the organization of the world in eight, or more commonly, four directions.
And so this is really, this is what the Maya themselves are saying that started this calendar that now might come to an end.
So is that some kind of divine intervention at that point?
That is what I'm saying.
And this divine intervention is what they always wanted to connect to.
And that's the reason why they follow this particular calendar.
Because coming back to your question, we do know that at that time, 3100 BC, that's the dawn of civilization in Egypt.
And there's very little debate around that particular time.
It is around that time, 3000, 3100.
Suddenly comes up an advanced civilization in Egypt that is ruled by one pharaoh.
If you go to Encyclopædia Britannica, it says that the first pharaoh of Egypt was there 3100 BC.
I mean, it's almost identical to the beginning point of this Mayan calendar.
So these two civilizations are connected by this divine happening that happened at the same time and is recorded by both of those advanced civilizations.
That's what I would say.
Yes, exactly.
That would be a perfect way of saying it.
Which is amazing.
I mean, the only construct that a lot of people who, as I say, read the tabloid press and live everyday lives Like myself, could put on this is that this is extraterrestrial intervention of some sort.
Yeah, it's a very common view.
And I don't think that is a necessary conclusion to draw.
And, you know, it's sort of interesting if you say, if you take the Mayan view that at this point, 3115, the four directions, the four geographical directions were established on Earth.
And then you consider that at that point, the Egyptians started to build pyramids that were perfectly aligned with these four directions.
That's one of the few uncontestable facts regarding these pyramids.
They are perfectly aligned with the true north.
And so is there a connection here?
Yes, I say absolutely so.
There is a global mind that divides the world according to perfectly straight lines in the western and the eastern hemisphere.
And this, we human beings as individuals, our brains with our left brain half and the right brain half are in resonance with this.
And things take another direction.
Civilization came out.
One of the characteristic is, it seems so trivial and yet it's not obvious to people.
One of the characteristics of civilizations is simply straight and perpendicular lines.
And that's really what they're talking about.
That's the eight partition place, as they called the beginning of this civilization.
It's just lines.
Somehow our minds were compartmentalized at that point and a completely new way of thinking where not everybody had to be like a farmer, but compartments were created in our minds.
And from that point on, you can follow a wave movement that not only the Maya were part of, but also we ourselves are now a sort of an advanced state of having done this.
We have to wind back here because there will be people who will be thinking that you have just been talking about geometry, and I sense that you're talking about something different here.
The compartmentalization of the mind is something that is, well, it's an amazing thought, isn't it?
For such a long time ago, 3,000 years ago, for the mind to be organized in that way on the orders or at the behest of some greater force, that takes an awful lot of taking on board, doesn't it?
A lot of thinking about.
It could be, yes.
It's possible.
All right, but is there one point that you can see where this instruction to compartmentalize the mind, to organize the mind, where that appears first?
Yes.
I would say it is 5,000 years ago when at the same time essentially the Egyptian and Sumerian civilizations emerged.
And not only did they then suddenly, you might say, start to build pyramids that were perfectly aligned with the four directions, but they also diversified.
You know, if you go back to that, before that period of time, everybody was pretty much a farmer, or prior to that, they were pretty much a hunter-gatherer.
So up to that point, life was about existence, and something happened at that point, not only with the Mayans, but also with the Egyptians, to make them see beyond just existing.
Yes, and started to organize the world in a different way, in compartmentalizing the world, if you like.
So the fascinating thing here is who handed the blueprint over?
Where did that come from?
They say this great universal presence, this big thing, this God, whatever you want to call it, but that is a seismic event, isn't it?
How is that recorded?
Yes.
It is a seismic event.
And, you know, I could, of course, say God did it, but it really, you know, I really don't know that God did it.
But I do know that it came from something else.
And to me, this is an open question.
It is just a mystery who did it.
Or even if it is a who.
But it is metaphysical.
It's not something we could have measured or they could have measured.
I think they were just suddenly under the influence of a new way of organizing their thought structures and so forth.
So the Mayans were creating a form of civil society.
They were building.
They were building pyramids.
They were painting.
We know that.
They were writing.
They were doing all sorts of things.
Now, there will be a lot of people who say very simplistically that if these people were so clever, how come they are not ruling the world now?
they're not?
Well, because, you know, it turns out it doesn't always help to work
This is in many respects in terms of mathematics and literature, the old world was ahead of the new world.
But in one respect, I think the Maya were ahead of the rest of the world.
That was in the respect of having a cosmology that, to me at least, makes sense and had a calendar linked to the cosmology.
So that metaphysical events could be linked to a calendar and used for predictions, for prophecies.
And that, I think, they had a very advanced culture.
So their calendar was not only looking back to things that had happened and chronicling those, it was also forecasting things that would happen.
Yes, yes.
So there were certain time periods, and at those, you know, they would celebrate a fifth, and now comes a new 20-year period, a cartoon, as I would call it.
And then it would be the task of certain specifically designed prophets in each city that would sort of be given the task of saying what they expect would happen in this 20-year period.
And so they had developed an advanced art of things.
It turns out, though, that there are many geographical aspects of this calendar.
And the wind was no longer on the back of these people living very close to the equator.
These powers, these four directions that I talked about earlier, tended to move the edge of civilization northwards, at least in the northern hemisphere.
And so they came into a backwater, you might say.
And for this reason, they're still around.
You know, I don't know if it's five or ten million Mayan descendants of these ancient peoples.
But before the Europeans came even, they stopped to build pyramids, they stopped using the calendar system.
There was a clear decline.
And my interpretation is that these four directions, if you look upon them as metaphysical powers, they actually moved away this edge of civilization from the Maya.
So as you say, the focus of everything was moving towards us here in Europe.
It was moving north from where they were.
Could that have been simply something physical like a change in the weather, a change in the climate?
Well, that's, of course, what many people would suspect.
I think I have really shown in a very systematic way that this develops according to patterns that could not be just explained in such a way.
But it would go too far to just let me say that I think I have a strong case for anyone who goes into my books that this is not just a matter of whether it's a metaphysical plan in operation.
Now, these people who were so spiritual and had such intelligence and such foresight predicted that the time we are living in now, certainly from everything that I've read, is an important time.
That is something that's pretty much not in dispute, but what is in dispute is what that means.
Yes.
Okay.
Well, let's go back to what we actually know here.
And despite all the talk that you find on the internet and all the books and so forth, there is only one existing inscription from ancient times that talks about our own time.
In other words, that talks about the time when the 13 bactuns would come to an end.
And this particular inscription is from a place called Torto Guerro.
It's outside of the more famous Palenque in Chiapas in southern Mexico.
And this inscription says that something they call the nine-storied god or nine-step god would then appear in his full regalia.
The god of period endings, you might also call him.
Bolon Yokti Ku.
Is this the force that started the Mayans on their chronicling of events 3,000 years ago?
Is it the same force?
I would say so, yes.
So whatever it was that appeared then and made a step change in their thinking is also going to appear to us very soon.
Right.
Or has already done so, I would say.
But if it had already, what is that then?
Is that our growing knowledge of spirituality, our growing dissatisfaction with the way the world is organized?
Is that what it is?
Well, the way I think I should complicate things a little bit more because it's actually like these pyramids that the most important, the most famous ones, like the one in Chichen Itza, the pyramid of the plumed serpent and so forth.
And they are built in nine levels.
And so I think what they are are symbols of nine particular calendars, nine particular waves of evolution.
And the one that we talked about, the one that started with the Egyptian civilization, that is just one of these nine levels.
Now, what is happening, as I understand, is that when these 13 bhaktuns come to an end, then all of these are simultaneously manifesting.
And this is what they describe as this entity appearing in his full regalia.
And so what is that?
Yes, I think part of it is awakening of a spirituality.
And I'm sort of debating with myself here how much complexity to go into to discuss this, because each of these different nine waves, as they are, they have wave movements of evolution, each of them has their own frequency.
In other words, the wave has a certain period.
There are periods that are Bakhtun-based, about 400 years.
There are Khatun-based, which are about 20 years.
And then there are periods that are billions of years.
So what they're showing us is that everything that we know exists and progresses within cycles.
So rather than, as some of the tabloid newspapers would have us believe, there's going to be some great gnashing and grinding of teeth and the end of the world in 2012 this year, in fact, what might be happening is a change.
And the Mayans demonstrate that the world is based on change.
They are no longer as important as they were.
Equally and similarly, for the same reasons that could be happening to us, we simply will cease to be as important as we think we are.
Yeah.
And, you know, when you know things about these things, I mean, it's sort of like a joke, this whole thing about the end of the world and the Mayan calendar.
There's absolutely no connection.
And somebody made it up.
And, you know, was it a couple of weeks ago, I was listening to this teleconference with some Mayan elders that were sharing the wisdom to people in the United States.
And they sort of wondered, they wondered, you know, where does it come from, this idea that the world is coming to an end?
You know, it's not from us, from the Maya.
And, you know, I was going to say that, you know, welcome to the world of Hollywood or something like that.
So in other words, what's happened is, as so often happens with things that people don't understand, something gets lost in translation.
And maybe there was an initial understanding of how these people believed in cycles and were remarkably clever because they could do things and build things and they were able to chronicle time and predict future events.
And somebody just simply misinterpreted the cycles for an end game.
Yeah, it's sort of like you know there is a date there.
And so what and if you don't know anything else, what could it be?
Well, the first thing some people think of, it must be the end of the world.
But, you know, that really is a joke from the perspective of somebody.
I'm reading your biography here, though, and the fourth paragraph says, by October the 28th, 2011, the grand universal forces will be aligned for humanity to reach its highest potential for self-actualization as fully conscious cosmic beings empowered to write our own future for better or for worse.
That makes it sound like, as you said or hinted, something big has happened and it's passed a lot of us by.
Well, maybe so.
Or it's just still there and it's unfolding.
And there are things that I think I have been missing.
When these things were written, I can't remember.
I suppose this is my official biography you've taken it from.
And I didn't look at it at this point.
But before that date, which I consider the end of these 13 bhaktuns, I did not know how things would continue.
And even if I did not a second think it would be the end of the world, how would the calendar system continue?
And I think we are, it's a very paradoxical situation because all of these nine waves, they have been there as a full, giving us a full imprint.
But at the same time, they are continuing.
And there is no date when everything will change, either now in the future.
But what they are, is what will continue, is these metaphysical changes of the global and individual mind that is now driving our civilization in another direction than previously.
We've come to a tipping point, and it doesn't happen immediately, but we come to a tipping point.
And what I think is that significant breaks in the workings of civilization will set in, and hopefully we'll be able to sort of unify a little bit more in an old shamanic feeling that the whole world is sort of coming back to some idea of a tribal community and not just a world where civilization
moves, sort of destroys everything in its way.
And you've only got to look around not only in America where you are, but also here in the UK and really around the world, other than in places where there is complete and utter poverty and maybe even in some of those places.
But in this world that we inhabit, a lot of people are simply fed up with the way things are organized.
A lot of us are discovering that, you know, pensions that we've saved for are not going to be worth very much.
A lot of things that we depended on, that were cornerstones and pillars of the society that we built, are turning out actually to be quite shaky.
Yes, that is really the case at this point.
And that's making an awful lot of people think about the nature of everything and where are we going?
Yes.
Yes.
Rightly so.
And rightly so, they're thinking that this might be connected to the Mayan calendar.
Because these are, you know, the effects are quite profound and yet in a sense subtle.
It's not like a bang, pang, that would just change everything.
That will not happen.
It hasn't happened.
But yes, there are a new constellation of waves of evolution influencing us.
And at this point, it leads us to really question that civilization has taken us so far.
And I then mean this organizational mind that I talked about.
But at this point, there are new waves in operation that tends us To question that, and that we have to seek another way of cohabitating this world and also cohabitating with each other.
This will affect our way of running the economy and everything.
These things ultimately go back to changes in the mind.
And these changes in the mind, believe it or not, all I can say from the Mayan calendar, they have a metaphysical origin.
There is a plan for how the world is changing.
And it's being, we cannot do anything about that plan.
We can only choose to participate in it or not to.
But the plan is in operation and it's a metaphysical plan.
And call it God if you like, but I'm not going to say with any certainty that it's God in any traditional meaning.
But let me ask you this.
Do you believe that, I mean, look, this is extrapolating a great deal and probably none of this is going to happen.
But if the Iranians got a nuclear weapon and there was some kind of threatened nuclear conflagration that perhaps involved Iran and Israel first of all and then dragged in everybody else and there were a lot of people poised to push the button, do you believe that at this point in our civilization, some God force would step in and say, that's enough?
To prevent it, you mean?
Yes.
Yes, but that's a God force.
If it is, it works only through us.
So it would still be the totality of human beings doing it.
So the universal mind is the God force?
Yeah, why not?
That's whether there is more of a God force that's possible.
And I wouldn't know it.
But what I do know is that there is a global mind force that is driving the world according to a certain plan.
And that's what we are part of.
And it's working through us.
It's not coming outside of us.
It's through us.
So this means, actually, and this is quite exciting, and other people have hinted this too, that if collectively enough of us got together and thought and believed the same thing, then we could change the world.
I think so.
I think so.
As long as it's aligned with this particular global mind, yes.
Okay, so there is a blueprint that is, I guess, for our greater good somewhere out there.
And as long as we are collectively thinking something that is for our benefit, it will happen.
Was that right?
Yeah, I think so.
But that's assuming that the end of everything is good.
And of course, we see an awful lot of bad things happening in this world.
How do they compute with that?
Oh, I don't know.
They, who are they here?
No, no, how do the bad things tie in with the universal plan or blueprint for everything being for our development and goodness?
Yeah, I think there is the overall plan for goodness, but again, how human beings act is really still their own.
You know, they can choose or not choose to be part of this, and I don't think everybody will be.
I don't believe there is like a force of evil, but I think there are people that are sort of becoming wrapped in the darkness of things in this process, and they may come across as evil, and certainly from another person's perspective may look as evil.
But I don't really think that this is a struggle between good and evil.
There's a plan, and I hope, you know, a plan for the evolution of mankind that has the best in our mind.
But it's up to us still, you know, to what extent we want to be part of that.
Or maybe just some people just want to follow their egos.
What they think is good for themselves as individuals will take precedence over everything else.
And then that's not very helpful for the rest of us or the planet's future.
So the Mayan calendar doesn't end this year.
And civilization as we know it doesn't end this year, but it's just part of the cycle of change and development that we've always gone through.
And the Mayans themselves went through.
For ordinary people in their ordinary workaday lives, what do you think would be the message, the soundbite version really, of what they could take away then from the Mayan calendar?
Assuming the world isn't going to end this year, what are they telling us?
Well, I think what they're telling us is that we're now at a tipping point.
And it's not an end.
And it's not something, yeah, it's a tipping point.
I think that's the world.
I think we already passed that tipping point.
And what that means is that now the cosmic plan is putting us in a new direction.
And it will no longer favor just the kind of ego-based activities that we've been living with for quite some time.
And it will favor communal projects across the planet and sort of starting to look upon us as being part of one tribe where everything that happens everywhere concerns all of us.
And to strengthen that direction, to continue along such a world.
Which is also another thing that I think is part of the message is that we must go towards a world where everyone is responsible.
And what that means is that we'll have to favor a world which is more egalitarian, where people have more equal say in everything.
In other words, we've got to start working together.
Do you think that in 3,000 years from now the equivalent of you and i may be having a conversation on a platform like this if one exists like that and and saying do you know 3000 years ago there was um a society that had governments in different countries and continents and they had this thing called the internet and people were using iphones and all that stuff and of course well they died out um you know we're we're living in a different way now do you think that's going to happen yes i think that's going to happen something like
something like that, yes.
Okay, what's your next project, Carl?
Well, I'm finishing a book now.
I think I have a month or two of it.
And it's called, well, the title is not finalized.
The subtitle is The Origins of Spirituality, Ancient Civilizations, and Altered States of Consciousness.
And it is a book that sort of brings these things together.
And it's one that looks upon the world as shaped by a global mind.
But it also looks upon how can you, if you like, decouple yourself from that global mind.
And that's what happens, I think, when people go into altered states of consciousness.
And when you say altered states of consciousness, are they the kinds of things that various civilizations, and even ourselves, get into by meditation?
The use of herbal substances, that kind of thing?
That's exactly what it is.
But it would also include like near-death experiences.
And when people just come into what they experience as a different dimension.
So that's what it is.
So I'm finishing this book.
then maybe when I get some new strength I will start on a new book which is about the future of the Mayan calendar okay well you've been working on this now for more than three decades yes I guess you've got at least another three decades of work to do by the sounds of what you just told me I think so well Dr. Carl Johann Kaliman in the West Coast USA Seattle thank you very much for your time if people want to read more about you and your work have you got a website
I have uh the it's called calaman.com C-A-L-L-E-M-A-N dot com and there there's also referrals to my books and a large number of articles and yes well Carl thank you very much for taking time to be on the unexplained and I know people will be checking out your website and we will link to it here on my website as well thank you very much for
being here oh thank you so much I really enjoyed this conversation and it really went very well and I think we touched upon what needed to be discussed in this particular time so so thank you so much for having me on on your show in the United States originally from Sweden Dr. Carl Johann Kahleman there and his views about the Mayans and their famous calendar he is noted for being one of the greatest international scholars on that subject so it was a great pleasure to get him here on the unexplained
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