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Jan. 14, 2010 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 30 - Fiona Zimmerman

Howard is in conversation with Fiona Zimmerman in South Africa...

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My name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
Well, welcome to 2010 and what a year.
Down in Melbourne, they've had 37 degree temperatures at midnight.
A real heat wave down there in Australia.
Up here in the northern hemisphere, well, we've had weeks and weeks of Arctic conditions that people said had gone away forever because of global warming.
Apparently not.
As I look out of my window right now, a slow thaw has started where I live.
And they tell us that, at least for the moment, this has all abated.
I was quite lucky I was out of the country for most of it.
And I was in South Africa, where the temperature averaged something like 27 degrees.
We had a few days of about 32 or so.
Very nice.
But going to South Africa was not exactly easy for me, and I'll tell you for why.
If you read my last newsletter, you will know that two days before I flew, I slipped on the thick ice in London, just two minutes after I'd warned one of my neighbors to be very, very careful on it.
And I had a choice, and I know that within about a second or two, I had to make a decision whether my wrist was going to hit the concrete and probably break, or whether I was going to try and avoid that happening, which I did.
So here's what I did.
Literally, within that second as I fell, I spun my arm backwards and my shoulder took the entire force.
Well, to cut a long story very short, I ended up in the local hospital here who were very, very good.
They looked at what had happened to me.
My shoulder was swollen.
They thought I might have a break or a fracture somewhere in there.
Apparently, I don't.
But what I do have is a thing called a rotator cuff tear.
Now, the rotator cuff is like a little gasket that's inside your shoulder, but when that tears, let me tell you, you pain.
So that's where I've been.
I had to go through Heathrow Airport in a sling, and I'm still, as I record this at the beginning of January, in a certain amount of pain, but at least I was able to get away to South Africa.
Now, here's the interesting part.
Because if I hadn't done that rotator cuff tear, I would not have met or come across the person that you're about to hear now.
Now, this time around, I didn't take my recording gear with me.
I just had a little Yamaha pocket track, almost dictation machine with me that records WAV files and MP3s if you wanted to.
It's got built-in microphones, and I just thought, you know, it might be useful.
Who knows what happens?
Having been a journalist for years, I always go prepared with a notebook and something to record with if I can.
So, I was in pain down in Johannesburg, and recommended to me was somebody who's an up-and-coming healer there.
She is almost a Sangoma.
Now, a Sangoma is an African, I'm trying to find a word for it.
The best one I have is Witch Doctor.
Now, this lady, Fiona Zimmerman, you will see a picture of her on the website, has many celebrity clients in South Africa now, has a lot of people who keep going back to her.
And she is, by reputation, an amazing healer.
You have to decide whether you're interested in what she's about to tell you and whether you think it's all true.
But I do know some of her stories, and I do know the names of some people she's been helping, and they go back to her and they recommend other people to see her, like me.
When I saw her, I was in a great deal of pain with this thing, and I was thinking, oh no, how do I find a physiotherapist in a country that I don't live in?
What am I going to do?
So, I saw Fiona, and I have to say, I am a sceptic.
I'm not sure about healing, but I believe that Fiona has helped.
Now, whether it's mind over matter, I don't know.
But I'm still in pain, but not the same kind of pain.
I'm still going down the medical route, and that's what you have to do.
If you think about going to a healer, you have to go to the doctor as well.
But something's changed, and I think that Fiona had something to do with it.
You're about to hear an interview with Fiona, the edition that should have been here about the Mayan calendar.
We're going to postpone and do at a later date.
But I wanted you to hear this recording made in a sunny garden just days ago at the beginning of January in Johannesburg.
Fiona Zimmermann will be the guest on this show.
Just a couple of things to say, though, before we get to Fiona.
Thank you very, very much, not only for the feedback which continues to come in, a lot of feedback about Jonas Goda and the program about the Lennon conspiracy, prophecy, whatever it was, that John Lennon had tied a deal with the devil, a Faustian pact, and that is why the Beatles became successful.
Well, I think there is an argument to be made for that, but there are many arguments to be made against that.
My jury is out about it until I get more proof.
And yours is too, bearing in mind the emails that I've had.
But many of you, as I was, were intrigued by what he had to say.
And I think it would make a terrific movie one of these days.
Maybe not anytime soon, but within the next decade, sometime.
Interestingly, I spent part of the Christmas holiday watching a few BBC documentaries about the Beatles and John Lennon.
And they did, as Jonas Goda said, I wasn't around then, but they had this meteoric rise.
And something happened to trigger this phenomenon, a fantastic rise that happened very, very quickly.
That sort of thing happens now because of reality TV.
But remember, back then, there was no reality TV.
There was no X Factor, as we have in the UK, or, you know, Britain's Got Talent, shows like that.
America's Got Talent, I think they do too.
Or American Idol, another big show.
Nothing like that back in the Beatles days, and yet they had this phenomenal meteoric rise to success very suddenly.
Jonas Goda says that's because John Lennon did a deal with the devil.
He was desperate enough to be successful.
I don't know.
I'm from Liverpool, like you know.
Not sure about that.
But it certainly interested you, and Joe will be pleased if it's got you talking.
Lots of emails about that.
This is the big point, though, I wanted to make now.
Thank you so much for the many donations that I've had via the PayPal link that's new on the site.
This is very kind of you.
The money's vital to be able to keep this going.
Most of us who work in radio, as I have down the years, don't come out of it rich or anything like it.
I'm in that category, but I've had a wonderful life.
I've traveled the world.
I've worked with many people who are stars in their own right.
And I've had the chance to meet people like Bowie and McCartney and Prince Albert of Monaco and many famous people.
So I have no complaints.
I've never made any money out of it, which is why I need money to keep this going.
Now, why is this important?
Well, number one, there isn't a show like this in Europe on air anywhere.
I started this show on national AM radio in the UK, and it transferred to the internet three and a half years ago because you wanted it to, and you asked me to.
So that's what I've done.
I've made it happen.
I've had to learn along the way.
How do you produce a recording by yourself?
How do you find somebody who is capable of getting it out to you?
Well, I've found Graham, first of all, and now Adam Cornwell, who's done fantastic work over the last seven or eight months.
My friend from Liverpool, who is going to be a big star in his own right.
I think he's going to be the next Richard Branson.
But Adam has really developed this show over the last seven or eight months.
And I'm very, very grateful to him for what he's done.
And people like Martin, who made me a theme tune.
So we made it happen together.
Why is it important?
Well, I think these topics need to be talked about and talked about seriously, not laughed at.
They need to be examined.
That's what we do here.
That's what the show was about when I started it.
And that's how it is now.
I'm a journalist.
You know that.
News is my thing.
Done that all my life.
Got awards for it.
They dubbed me a couple of years ago the Voice of London News.
On radio, I don't know whether I am or I'm not.
But these subjects have always interested me, and I've always wanted to bring them to you in this way.
And that's what we do here on The Unexplained.
But this is the point.
Something happened over Christmas in the UK that I think is very, very significant.
There was a movement to keep Simon Cowell and one of the X Factor TV show acts off the number one chart position in the music charts in the UK.
And they put the collective will of the people who bought this track, they put an old rock tune at the top of the charts and Simon Cowell and his act had to make do with number two.
Now, I have nothing against Simon Cowell, and I've nothing against good music, and I've nothing against people making it going from obscurity to chart success.
But here we had something that I think is important, even in broadcasting.
We had the people deciding what they were going to have.
That's where we come in.
This show only succeeds because of you.
Donating money now as you do.
And please, if you haven't, think about it because it does help.
And I do again want to thank the many people who have made donations.
I promise you I will put all of the money to work on this show.
But it's made us all think that we can have power.
So if we can have power over the music charts, by supporting things like this show, you can also have some power and some determination over the kind of entertainment and information you're delivered at the moment.
And again, I've nothing against the big corporations, but everything is corporate.
Everything is done in the same way.
In radio in the UK, there are a number of big groups, and they're very good.
I've worked for these groups, so I don't have any beef with them.
And they've improved many smaller stations that they've taken over by giving them the infrastructure of a big organization.
But sometimes the opposite has happened where bigger stations have been affected.
That's for you listeners to decide.
But what I'm doing here is something that is entirely independent.
It's just you and me.
And whether you listen to it or whether you don't depends on the way that I do it.
If you like it, you're going to listen.
And if you don't, you're not.
Very, very simple equation there.
I think that in this day and age where more and more power is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, there's nothing wrong with that.
That's the market.
But there needs to be a place for shows like this and other independent shows.
That's all I'm going to say.
But please support the unexplained.
Go to the website, www.theunexplained.tv.
And if you can, if you think it's worth it, please make a donation.
And if you can't make a donation, that's okay.
Enjoy this show.
I didn't want to charge per download.
I just wanted to give you the option.
And I'm grateful massively for the support that you've given me.
Not only on the radio show that you keep talking to me about, you keep saying that you missed that show, but also here online.
We're proving that we can independently on no resources do it.
And I intend to develop this and make sure that we stay here.
So thank you.
Right, let's get to the guest recorded a few days ago in a sunny, warm garden in Johannesburg, South Africa.
This is the lady, Fiona Zimmerman.
I would not have met her had I not had a nasty accident on the ice in London a couple of days before I flew out.
Fiona is a healer.
She is almost a Sangoma, witch doctor, whatever you want to call her.
She has more and more clients, famous people going to her.
I believe that you will hear more of this lady, but now you make your decision about her as you hear.
Recorded in South Africa, Fiona Zimmerman here on The Unexplained.
It's very nice to be here and be with you in this beautiful garden today.
Now, tell me your story, first off.
You are, you say, a healer.
How did you get to know that you were a healer, first off?
It's quite a long story.
I wasn't always a healer.
I used to be an accountant.
Okay.
I was in black and white and put me in a corner and just let me be.
And several things happened to me that I discovered I could, number one, see different things and decided one day that it's not evil like my mother told me I was evil, but I could use it for some form of good.
Once I decided that, I embarked on a learning phase, I guess you could call it, trying to find out what it's all about, who is it about.
Coming from a very strict religious family, it was like taboo, you know, you're evil.
But what can we say?
You know, it's the times of our lives.
Yeah, so having come through all of that and embarking on a path to try and learn and study what all the different things are out there, because there's so many, and to find something that fitted with me, I was eventually introduced to my guide and from that stage on basically she's shown me every step of the way what I need to do and how I need to do it.
All right, we need to wind that back.
You were saying that you were quite young and you started to see things.
So I need to know two things first off before we get to your guide.
How young were you then and what were you seeing?
I would say I was very young.
I must have been about three or four years old.
Absolutely petrified of the dark.
I used to see not very pleasant things at night.
The dark used to come around, but strange things, entities, beings, energy forms that used to scare me as a child.
And with a result that I used to have the whole lights on in the bedroom type of thing.
I'd never really met my grandfather, my OPA, yet he used to come and scratch my back for me.
Things like this.
So from there, it just developed.
This is not uncommon for kids to experience these things because there is a theory that goes that children come into this world, quite often they've been elsewhere or they are connected to another realm that as we grow up we rationally discount.
But kids are more connected.
So by the sounds of it, if we believe that you were connected and you stayed connected.
I did stay connected, but coming from the strict religious background where it was evil, I had a fear of it.
And I used to always consider myself as evil because I could see these things.
So as a result, I never disclosed much to anybody because they would then see me as evil.
I can remember going to a Catholic church in Mauritius and tucking a whole thing of holy water all over me because I must be evil.
And the problem being that even as I went through my life, I used to have beans come and sit on my bed that I couldn't move, that would just sit there.
Yet I would be too afraid to even ask them what they were looking for or what was going on.
Now, other people I've talked to who've been through this kind of thing from childhood, from when they were young, say that because they are so young and it's all they've ever known, it becomes normal to them.
But you had this other factor that, you know, we know that especially on this continent and in this country, religion, especially among the white community, very big thing.
And you don't mess with religion.
So you had a great big concrete block in front of you.
Precisely, you know, because I can remember when I eventually came out and said, well, if I'm seeing all of these things, why does it have to be evil?
Why can't I use it for good?
And when I eventually told my mother that this is what I can all see, her first words were, you're evil.
And she put the phone down.
Your mother.
My mother.
So, I mean, I was in absolute clearance because I'm evil.
She's confirmed that.
wouldn't you really if your mother said that you were evil so So your mother took the strict line and said, you're on the dark side.
I'm totally on the dark side.
I'm not her child anymore.
And she put the phone down.
And it was actually the next day that I got a phone call from her.
And she said to me, you know, your father is just lying on the bed.
He's a farmer.
He's not doing anything.
Fix him.
And I went, fix him?
I said, but mom, I'm evil.
She says, oh no, I've thought about that.
And I've decided, no, you're not evil.
So fix your dad.
So she was expecting you to be able to cure him?
Straight off, yes.
Why did she think you could do that?
My mom also actually comes from a family where she used to read the tea leaves.
I have great aunts who are psychic.
One wouldn't go out the house until the other had read the cards.
Ah, right.
So this, as we hear so many times, it goes in families.
So the last person I would have expected to tell you that you're evil would be your mother who should have known better.
She should have known better, but with my father having married my father and him being so strict in religion, she had to give it up.
So it then became this whole thing where she said, yeah, but I used to read the tea leaves.
So she then started to release to me what she did to actually coming out and finding out about my aunts, finding out about my Opa and Opa, which are her family, her mother and father, that they had the same gift as I had.
So that was one breakthrough that I had, but the huge obstacle for me was my father, because he told my grandmother when she was 100 that he never thought that he would be the father of a coven of witches.
Wow.
So there's your dad lying there.
What was wrong with him?
Oh, he just didn't have any energy to get up and go and do anything.
And your mum said, go and fix him.
Yeah.
But he's the hardliner, the strict guy.
Didn't he have some input in this?
If anybody wouldn't want to be fixed, I would imagine he wouldn't.
It was, but what I did was a distant healing on him where I asked his higher self to participate with me.
And I just followed what my guide told me to do.
How old were you then?
I was then 22, 23.
And this had been part of your life all the way through?
All the way through.
How did you know what to do?
I didn't.
And that was the scary part.
I didn't understand what to do.
But by that time, my guide had actually started to come through to me.
And she just released to me that just send energy, connect with him and tell him he's been lazy and he needs to get up.
I don't think my dad would appreciate that part.
And that's what I did.
And within 10 minutes, I phoned my mom back and I said to her, so what is dad doing?
And she said, he's on the tractor plowing.
Thank you.
So you fixed him?
I fixed him.
You talked about your guide.
We've had people on here, mostly mediums, we have to say, who've talked about my spirit guide.
Now, having a guide on the other side is often mocked in movies and Geronimo is my spirit guide, all the rest of it.
So tell me about your guide and how your guide helps you.
Okay, she is, her name is Stella and she is of the stars.
So she's of a pure light.
When I first decided that I'm going to do this and dedicate myself to it and decided to be good on the good side of things, she then appeared to me, number one, first in a dream.
And then the next day she just appeared like I would see you.
She appeared herself.
Of course, I mean, not knowing much about these things, that was me.
I was so scared that I chucked my little card set that I was using under the Bed, and she just said to me, That doesn't work anymore.
You've decided to embark on this journey, and I'm here for you always.
So, what she's done with me is she's shown me what I must be doing, how I should be doing it.
She teaches me.
So, everything that I know, it's been her instruction.
She one time told me I had to go and do potions and lotions.
And I was like, what is potions and lotions?
I mean, and it turned out that I went to study herbalism.
And while I was studying herbalism, I was diagnosed with Graves' disease, which is a terminal illness.
Yet, in the studies, there was these three herbs that you could mix together that could actually cure your Graves disease.
So, being skeptical, we went the medical route first, okay, and I got medication from the specialists, but found that I was allergic to the medication.
I had reactions to the medication.
So, there was on the three tablets a day of chronic medicine, but also then being put onto antihistamines.
And it was just so bizarre.
But during the studies, there were these three herbs that I felt I need to mix, and that Stella told me, you need to mix this and take it for yourself.
So with a result, I stopped the medication from the doctors, and I thought, let me try this and let's see how it works.
So, it must have been about three months later, I was not feeling the greatest.
I was feeling very ill and everything, and went back to the doctor and said, well, you know, I think I've actually poisoned myself.
Because, I mean, I'm not feeling well and I've been taking these herbs and I think this is what's happened.
And the doctor then said to me, okay, well, we're going to run all our tests on you and we'll see what you've done to yourself.
Two days later, he phoned me and he said to me, well, are you sitting down?
And I said, well, yes, why?
And he said to me, well, you are pregnant.
Now, one of the things that they told me I would never be able to have because of Graves' disease is children.
Yet here, he's telling me I'm pregnant.
All right, now, a sceptic would say, and I think a skeptic will be very reasonable in saying it, that you never had Graves' disease in the first place and you were misdiagnosed and you convinced yourself that the potions and lotions were helping, the herbs were helping you, and it's all mind-over matter.
Yes, a skeptic and even myself has been the skeptic.
I'm an accountant, so I need to understand logics.
Yet Graves' disease does run in my family.
The symptoms that I had, and up until after my daughter's birthday, births had again, are Graves' disease.
But with the heating that I've embarked on, that no longer exists.
My symptoms are no longer there.
So this is not something that is just a random thing.
This is something that problems with the thyroid run in my family and in the family history.
And what about belief?
You know, we hear the power of belief is very strong.
If you believe a thing, I know that if I concentrate on a thing, I can probably make it happen.
You presumably believed strongly, but you said you were a skeptic, so maybe that doesn't compute.
Tell me.
You believed quite strongly that what you were doing might well work.
I don't know.
You tell me.
No, I don't think I had the belief because being the accountant, being a logical person, and being schooled in Western medicine, that this to me was like, well, okay, let me try it.
I've got nothing to lose.
And I think with the result as to falling pregnant and to having a daughter, this then started to convince me, okay, well, there's got to be something there.
There's got to be something there.
And what was the time scale?
How long?
Three months.
Three months.
So it's, I mean, the doctor just said, whatever you are taking, you need to continue taking it because if you don't, you will miscarry this child.
And then afterwards, I stopped.
And I think from that point of view, it's always been a case of, no matter what I've been given, the logical side of me, the accountant side of me goes, need to see it in black and white, need to do it on myself first.
And that's how I've approached it.
So with whatever I've been taught and told to go and study further, it's always a case of, well, let me see it work on me, then I'll believe.
Now we have to put the standard disclaimer in here.
If we were doing a radio show, which we're not, we'd have to say, before you see any kind of healer or do anything like this, you see your doctor first.
You must be dealing with orthodox medicine as well.
Precisely.
Even though we're on the internet and theoretically I can say whatever I want, I want to put that in there too.
Totally, totally.
What I do at the moment as well with the body, mind, soul healing is not a system that is a standalone system.
I believe that your body knows how to heal itself.
It's number one forgotten how and needs a reminder.
But your priority of that body is to heal itself, whether it's going to get whatever it needs from me, from medicine, from a reflexologist, from whoever, whatever your body is needing, it will tell me.
If you're needing medicine, I will tell you, you need the medicine.
It needs to work in conjunction with.
And interestingly, you told me before we started recording this that there are some orthodox doctors now who are working hand in hand with you.
Yes, correct, correct.
Who have actually seen the results on themselves or even on their own children and have been referring people through to me because it's not a thing that it's a standalone.
It's used in conjunction with.
Maybe this is where me and my shoulder comes into it because I had my little ice accident in the UK.
They told me at the hospital, you are the 20th person, I think it was, that they'd seen, mostly with broken wrists that day.
And the ice had only been there for a day or two when I came away.
I didn't know what to do about this thing.
I'd flown from Heathrow Airport to South Africa in a sling going through the airport and feeling very, very sorry for myself.
And then you were put in my path.
I am very skeptical about healers.
There are some people who make a good living out of this, and I'm not sure whether all of them are entirely, as we say in the UK, what they're cracked up to be.
But I had had healing once before.
I don't think I told you this.
I was on an outside broadcast in Italy doing a show, a remote as they call it in America, and I tripped over and fell.
Now, this was a disaster because it was in Rome, in a hotel, and we had a week of the shows to go.
I had to be mobile.
I twisted my ankle, bashed myself up, and I hobbled round Rome, feeling again very sorry for myself, and nobody was helping.
One of my colleagues said to me, I'm trying healing, I'm learning it.
And I thought, what?
But I was so much in pain and so scared about the consequences of this thing, I let him sit me down in a garden in a villa and I let him do it.
And I felt heat from his hands.
The guy is very rational, the last person in the world, actually, you would expect to be a healer.
I walked away from that okay, and I still don't understand what happened.
And that's why I allowed you to do what you did with me.
Okay?
Yeah.
You know, once, and you need to understand that, that your body will put you on the path, whatever's needed for it, because your body is only concerned about healing itself.
Okay?
And unfortunately, in the world that we used to live in, only Western medicine was accepted.
And more and more people are actually starting to realize that, wait, there is something to it.
There is something that works with it.
If you look at the mind-body-soul, it's exactly what it says.
It's about getting the mind, the body, and the soul to function as one.
Instead of being in conflict, to work together.
Because around everything, even about your shoulder that was so sore, if you look at that as an example, there are issues there from the mind, a conscious, like a memory that formed, that we had to take away that fear that sits in the consciousness.
And then for the physical body to start to work on itself, as well as the soul to then heal itself and to look at why did this happen on a spiritual level as well.
So it's about getting the body, mind and soul to work as one.
What?
So you think that what happened to me in London before I came away happened for a reason that it wasn't just a random act of chance?
Definitely, definitely.
It's not a random thing.
What was it for then?
Well, if you have a look at yourself, I mean, the only thing as well is if you had not hurt your shoulder, I wouldn't be here today.
That's true.
So it was all for you then, Fiona.
Oh, yes, I was.
There had to be a reason for it.
But look, I've just thought of this.
I've got this little tiny recorder that I've, it's a pocket Yamaha thing that I'm just learning to use at the moment, so I'm hoping this sounds okay.
But I'm holding it with my right hand, and it's being supported in my right hand by my shoulder, and I haven't even thought about that.
Now, when I first came down here just before Christmas, it is now January the 11th.
I wouldn't have been able to do this.
So either this has got better as it was supposed to, or as I suspect, you may well have done something for it.
Precisely, and it's not about me doing something for it, because you have to understand I'm only the facilitator.
I'm just the vessel.
I'm just taking the message from your body.
And you need to celebrate the fact that it's your body that did the work.
I see you.
I take the message.
I put it into you.
I go home.
Your body is working.
But I'm the kind of person who would say, I'm not sure if I believe this.
You see, I'm Gemini.
I see both sides.
You know, I'll take one view today and another view tomorrow.
So if my body is doing this and I am believing this, then there's nobody more surprised about that than I am.
Which is exactly it, because your body, mind and soul is the most powerful tool there is.
Before we move on to some of the other case studies that you've got, some of the people that you have helped who've been much more in need of help than I am right now, let's explain, because it makes it easier, what you did for me.
I lay back on a bed and you tapped my head a lot and you were using a medical book that showed the various areas that have been affected, but I didn't entirely understand what you were doing.
So explain the head tapping.
All right, all right.
So if you have a look at it, I mean my guide clients always say to me, please explain it like it's a computer basically.
So it's used a form of muscular testing on the arm, which I establish a yes or no relationship with the body.
From the arm, I will then ask a series of questions, okay, where it can go onto the western side, right down to a cell level.
So it can tell me that it's an organ.
And then I go more details and it will say yes.
And then I'll start, is it the lungs?
And it will say yes.
Then I say, is it the left lung or the right lung?
And so it will lead me down to a path until it requires no further details.
And that is the destination.
And then it will need a link, something that the communication is not working with.
Okay?
And then we go through the procedure again.
So once the message has been received, then the tapping on the brain is about putting the information in.
It's a keyboard.
It is the keyboard.
So you were inputting to my brain.
Data into the brain like you would put it into the computer.
Then the tapping on the sternum is the storing of that information.
It's your hard drive.
It gets stored there.
So every time your body is actually breathing, it's going and looking at that message.
Did I fix the toe?
No.
Go and connect these items and fix the toe.
Once it's done that, it deletes the message.
Now, for people like me, and I work with technology and a lot of people do these days, what's appealing about that is the way that you say it's being done.
You're likening us to a computer, and just as you can fix the software that might be malfunctioning on the computer, you can do the same thing with us.
And that's going to appeal to an awful lot of people.
Now, I have to tell you, and I don't think I'm alone with this, first session with you, about an hour later, I felt great.
And I thought, my God, she's good.
She's fixed it.
Next day, it's sore, but it's sore in a different way.
It's more mobile than it was, but it's still sore.
And I've seen you a couple of times since then.
It's been, I hesitate to use the word roller coaster because it hasn't really been a roller coaster.
It's been progress, but there have been times when it's been very sore and times when I've been daft enough to think it's completely okay.
And then I've moved my shoulder in the wrong way and it hasn't been.
But I get the sense and the feeling that we're getting somewhere.
Yes, precisely.
Because you have to understand it's not a tablet That you can take.
Your body's priority here is to fix whatever's happened to you, okay, and fix it permanently.
They told me in London before I came away that I had to be really patient with this because these things can take time to heal.
And the sheet of information they gave me at the hospital, and they were really good at the hospital, said 50% of these people with these rotator cuff tears, which is what I've got, 50% of them get better in time, 50% of them need an operation.
And I was determined to be in the 50% that doesn't need the OP.
That's precisely it.
And it's about your body knows what it is.
And you were referring previously to a book that I had.
I'm not a doctor.
I did biology at school and I'm very interested in the body.
But your body is so intricate that it knows exactly where it needs to go.
I have no clue.
I'm not a professor.
I'm not a scientist.
So with a result, I have a book of anatomy that my sister gave me.
And when it tells me it's looking at something, say, for instance, in the lungs, I will then find whatever section it is there.
Okay, and not knowing all these words as well, I will then proceed to say, okay, well, is it A, B, C or D, whatever the label is.
And it will give me the two items that need to be connected.
And if you go back and refer to those two items, you can see how they actually fall in with whatever's going on in that body because it knows, your body knows.
It's not needing me to know all of these things.
I'm just needing to be able to show it where it can go.
Now, down here in SA, it's more of a village, I think, as a community than it is back in London or across the UK.
You know, we're quite reserved.
Here, a lot of things happen on word of mouth.
And you don't have a website, you don't advertise, but your clients include people who are very, very prominent in business, some media people who are known names, and I know them here.
They probably won't mean anything to people in the UK or in other places.
But these people find you.
Yes.
I always maintain that whoever's meant to be put on my path will be placed on my path.
So with absolute confidence, whoever finds me and says, look, I have an autistic child.
Can you help me?
I know it's yes, because you've been put on my path for a reason.
And I know that you do have one case like that.
And autism is something that's, you know, it's for life.
It's a long-term thing.
And the parents of an autistic child have to be very, very dedicated.
We understand now more in 2010 than we ever did about this.
But you say, and I have to keep saying that, you say, you've helped an autistic child.
That's correct.
And with autism, this poor child, he was fine up to a certain age until he had a vaccination.
After the vaccination, all of a sudden, these symptoms appeared.
And when I met this family, and they are such a great family, to have gone through everything that they did, they relocated from New Zealand to South Africa again because of the support system for autistic children.
And when I met the family, I just said to me, you need to understand that it's not about me, it is about your son.
If your son is not prepared to accept my energies or to work with me, I can't help him.
It's something that he's got to do on his own, so he needs to accept me.
So our first session was a very long session for like two hours of which was just getting to know the child basically.
And from there, he then allowed me to be part of this process.
And with him, it was reconnecting certain parts of the brain that were malfunctioning.
So like the left part of the brain in the limbic brain wasn't connecting with the fornix.
All these different things that were not connecting.
All right, now we have to say again that I haven't met this person.
I don't know any doctors around this person.
So all I have is your word for this.
And I want listeners to this to be aware of that fact and bear it in mind.
But I have no reason to doubt what you're saying.
How much better is he?
What can he do now that he couldn't do before?
Let's put it that way.
Okay, well, I've only been working with the child for four or five months now.
But according to the family, this time last year, the child couldn't speak.
Travis now talks.
Travis sings.
He's absolutely amazing.
And when you say to him how amazing he is, he tells you, no, it's not him.
It's the song that's amazing.
So for a child of seven to be using such words, with a result of that, his schooling has also changed.
He used to be in a school now for autistic children and he is now going to what he calls big school.
Wow.
So he's with other kids older.
Well, what word would you use?
I hate the word normal, but he's with kids.
He's his own age and has been told on his test for the entry tests that he's actually three months ahead of the normal children coming into the school.
Well, that's fantastic.
And how does that, if we believe this happened, how does that make you feel?
I think that myself as a person and being the accountant again is like, okay, there's got to be some logic behind this.
There's got to be something else there.
But then the spiritual side of me comes in and then I start to remember how powerful a person's body is.
And, you know, the parents always say to me, you know, they're so thankful for me.
And I say, no, but you have to thank him.
He's doing all this work.
Look how amazing his body is and he is.
So if you work this way, it strikes me that maybe there are no surprises, really.
You're not that...
Still shocked.
Okay?
It's the accountant.
They're still this.
Okay, wait.
Now, you're listening to The Unexplained.
This will be edition 30.
The edition on the Mayans that we were going to have as edition 30.
This show's always a surprise, isn't it?
Will probably be edition 31, but I'll work that out when I get back to the UK.
But I just thought you would want to meet Fiona.
We are talking here in a sunlit garden in South Africa at a time when the United Kingdom is gripped by a deep freeze, weeks and weeks of it ongoing.
So it's an interesting experience, this.
so hot here Let's not rub this in in the UK.
People hate it when you say how nice the weather is in other places.
We're just going to pour ourselves a drink here.
Well, we get on to the next part of this, because, okay, you've helped somebody with autism.
You've assisted that person, and that's an ongoing process.
But I know because you told me that you're also doing work in Soweto.
Now, people in the UK will know Soweto because it was like the crucible of everything that happened that led to the ending of apartheid.
It is where resistance was fermented, really.
And it is a real experience to see.
I went to see Soweto 10 years ago now when I first was discovering South Africa.
And of course, people live and they still live in huts there, but you meet some of the most amazing people there.
And you're doing voluntary work almost in Soweto?
Yes, the end of last year, I was referred to a company that does volunteer work in Soweto, and they have a family that they help who run a nursery school.
And the nursery school is for children whose parents can't afford a proper nursery school.
This is this lady's passion in life.
So she has 62 children, of which I would say maybe 10% pay a fee.
And the rest, her husband, works and gives up to 80% of his salary towards the school.
Wow.
Precisely.
So I was approached by a company here in South Africa who'd heard about what I do to see if I could help their son.
The son is a phenomenal boxer, has awards and everything.
But I think because of the boxing, is not doing well at school.
So we were picked up by the company and taken through to Soweta to meet this family.
Hold on, but what?
Because of the damage that the blows were doing to it.
Precisely.
So he's not a bad man.
But he's very young then.
How old is he?
13 years old?
He's very young to be showing signs of that.
Precisely, but on all his subjects, he's not achieving.
He's absolutely not achieving anything.
He shouldn't be boxing that, should he?
He shouldn't really.
But he has such a passion for it.
And this is his passion.
Okay.
So with a result, the company came and fetched us and took us through to Soweta and we met the family and all the other children also of the family because it was holidays.
And it was just absolutely phenomenal.
We did a session with the child.
We then did sessions with everybody else.
My sister was there with us and she has her own form of healing called metamorphosis that she does.
So she was doing the one side and I was doing the other side.
And it was absolutely amazing.
I did the father, I did the brother and they all said, can I come back?
And when we were coming back from there in the afternoon with travelling in the car, we were discussing what needed still to be done.
And my sister and I have, yeah, we've decided that we're going to give up our time and we're going to go through there, that we can actually help those children, those 62 children whose parents can't afford doctors.
Now, I don't know what the state of play is here.
I know things are a little more informal in South Africa, but if this was the UK, you would have to go through so many permissions and consents and parents and all sorts of stuff to be able to do that.
How does that work here?
Here, what happens here is the consent will be achieved from the parents.
The parents will then give the nursery school owner permission to do it.
But in their culture, you need to understand that they know these things.
The Sangoma.
Yes, yes.
It reminds me, the Sangoma is not a witch doctor, but in the black cultures of South Africa, I met one of these people about 10 years ago and she was working at Sharkaland, which is an African-style, a Zulu-style village way down in KwaZulu-Natal.
She was the nurse there, but she was also, she told me, a Sangoma, and she would give people healing and psychic readings and all sorts of stuff.
So that kind of stuff is ingrained already.
Totally.
So for them, it's more acceptable in their culture.
What I did was no shock.
They all came in and sat down and I must do what I have to do.
So you're the Sangoma?
Basically, yes, I've been referred to as one before.
A lot of people say I'm a white Sangoma, okay, with my black clients that I do work for.
So this is now something that my sister and I have decided that we will give up our time because the universe has been so good to me and blessed me.
And I just feel that this is something I need to get back to.
Now, I don't want to belabor this point.
I don't want to hammer this point, but my listeners will email me, especially from the UK, about this.
And I understand that they would email and why.
This kid who you're helping to be a boxer, aren't you setting him up, if you are healing him, to go and get thumped even more and be made worse ultimately?
And doesn't that bug you?
Doesn't that worry you?
You must understand that whatever path in life he's chosen to do, whatever his passion is, that's not my choice.
My purpose to be there is actually to help him reconnect, to help him succeed in his schooling, that he does get education to maybe look at something else, to doing something else.
Got you.
So to put the person back, whether it's this 13-year-old boy or whether it's me with my shoulder or anybody else who comes to see you, to put them back where they would have been before.
In my case, to put me back in this seat in this garden now, holding this little recorder, doing this interview.
That's it.
That's classified what it's about.
Now, this is early days for you and your career doing this, but you've told me the names of some of the people who come to you, and I know who they are here.
And that's pretty big.
We said you don't advertise.
At the moment, you don't have a website, but that will change.
What do you want?
It's happening, isn't it?
It's happening as you speak here.
No, I had a feeling it would be.
What do you want to do with it?
My fear for you, as I've seen with other people who've done things like this, they start to believe in themselves.
They start to get an ego about it.
Now, if you develop, you have a clinic and a center and you employ people and all the rest of it, I fear that this little cottage industry, as we say in Britain, that you've got going here with these people, you're going to break it.
I think that's always been my fear.
And that's one of the fears why I didn't want to walk further.
And when you were put on my path and you asked me to do this, I have been told by my guides, this is the way it needs to happen.
Because just like there are people in South Africa who need me, there are people in the world who are also going to be needing me.
And I'm constantly telling everybody that you need to understand this is not me.
This is your own body that's doing this.
So my guides and myself and my upbringing and the accountant in me tells me it's not me.
I'm only a vessel here.
And as the vessel, I acknowledge that.
And wherever I've got to go, that's what I've got to do.
There is that fear that it, like you said, comes too much.
It becomes too commercialized.
And I think I've just got to trust in myself and the path that's been placed upon me that it won't.
That I will still, and I've already said to all my clients that because when they heard about this, this is, oh no, we're not going to get to see you.
And it's a case of, no, you will still get to see me because you are part of me.
So it is difficult.
And I think that's my fear.
A lot of people, you cannot go very far in South Africa where the issue of color and race comes to you.
And I first discovered it after the elections in 1994 when I came here, weeks after the elections.
Of course, it was in my face then, and it's in my face now always.
A lot of white people I know here have got out.
The others who consider themselves to be Africans, which they are because they were born here, have found their own path.
Are you tempted to take this abroad, go somewhere else?
You're helping in Soweto.
You're part of the community.
But there could come a point where you think, oh, I want to go and do this in Switzerland.
You know, my partner and I thank whoever got out there, the universe out there for placing David on my part because David is an amazing man who's opened up a lot of matrix that the healing is so strong that the energies can flow for me.
We've discussed this.
We've discussed this, and I think our final plan, our vision, is to actually have a center in the Western Cape where people can come and book in for a week and go through all the different things, all the different types of healing that is there, whether it's Tai Chi in the morning or meditations in the evening and sessions with me and be able to experience this.
Sounds a bit Hollywood to me, though, Theo.
No, no, no, no.
Sounds a bit Hollywood.
No, no, no, no.
We want to keep it.
Basically, if you think about it, we want a center that has its own roots, that we've got the local people who are doing the gardens and selling the vegetables and the garden food to us, like a community-based type of thing, but not a cult, please.
But that people are able to come to us.
And, you know, the energies here, Mystic Africa, this is basically what we've got in mind to call the center because the energies that flow in Africa are so powerful.
So with regards to going to Switzerland and that, I love Africa.
I can understand why, you know.
Somebody, when I first came here, said to me, this country, the sun shines a lot of the time and you stick a thing in the ground and it grows.
You know, that doesn't happen in the north, in the UK, not really, not to the same extent.
Precisely.
And the energies that are here in South Africa and Africa are so, they're untapped.
They're pure.
And I think that's the part of it.
And the other great thing about this country, and it probably goes for the rest of Africa, but I haven't seen it.
There's an enterprise culture here that you have in America.
Of course you do.
You don't quite the same in the UK because we've got a safety net system there.
Here, there are not the safety nets.
So, if you have a skill or an ability, you've got to get using it because no one is going to help you out.
You have to make your own way.
You have to make your own way.
And it comes down to the belief in yourself.
And I think with what I've been shown, testing it all on myself first.
So, having first-hand knowledge that, yes, I used to suffer bronchitis as a child all my life, to doing the session in a December, to getting very bad bronchitis, that a nebulizer couldn't help me breathe, to that being five years ago, to me not having bronchitis since.
And to actually realize that you've got to not be selfish about it, that when it's time to grow, it's time to grow.
And just knowing that those that do need us will be put on my path.
You told me about your 13-year-old boxer in Soweto who you're helping.
That's all good.
What is the, what's the case?
What's the person, the individual that you've helped and you've come out of it feeling proudest?
Who have you done most for?
Maybe that, maybe it's the boxer.
I don't know.
Tell me.
I think that would have to be my niece, Kerry Jo.
She's an amazing girl.
She's diabetic.
And recently, hasn't been feeling very well and had put on a lot of weight.
So, I have this system where it's called The Real You and it's about helping the person to lose weight naturally by the body getting into sync.
And we put this on her and she started to lose the weight and then she phoned me the one day to say she's not feeling very well.
Can I do a session on her?
Only to be discovered and to discover that her body wouldn't let me in.
Her body kept on saying to me, medical hospital, medical hospital.
So, with the result, I phoned her and said, look, Kerry Jo, I can't get in.
You need to go to the hospital.
There's something medical.
It's needing medical.
I can't help you.
And with the result, she went to the hospital and they discovered that she has a liver problem.
So, they diagnosed that within two years, she would have a liver failure, basically, and pass.
You die.
You die.
Precisely.
So, what the hospital had decided to do was to get into contact with a surgeon who would do a liver transplant.
And she came to me and she said, well, what can we do?
And I sat down the one evening and my guy just released to me a whole session on what I need to do, what I need to reconnect in her body, but checking still with the body that these are points that need to be reconnected.
She now gave her a diet.
She gave her an eating plan.
She gave her exercise plans.
So, she had this whole thing.
And about that was at Kerry medically because to which the most amazing thing that stage, wasn't taking anything she was waiting see the surgeons, happened...
think it was after seven or eight weeks Kerry went then to the surgeon and she phoned me back she said well Auntie Fianna the surgeons can't believe this they say it wasn't my liver that they took a picture of before because the left lobe of the liver is right down to normal they can't find what's the problem with it so they're going to give her an injection for hepatitis A because they had to do something because they couldn't believe what had happened.
Is that where we are?
Yes.
She is still not fully cured.
The right side of the liver, we still have to work on again.
But I think that this has actually shown what can be achieved.
And that for me is the greatest thing out.
You've just been passed a hat, by the way, for the sun because it's lunchtime 12 o'clock in south africa and they say mad dogs and englishmen and i guess that goes for south africans too oh yes don't go out in the midday sun which is what i'm doing at the moment which is why i'm going to have to wrap that up soon but not before i say this because again i'm going to get emails about this do you not feel that there's a disaster waiting to happen with you one day somebody's going to come maybe they've been already they really needed medical treatment and we've said from the start go to the doctor first but
haven't done that fair choice they've come to you for help and perhaps they've got really sick or died because they've only seen you um i did have a guy peter who was diagnosed with lymphatic leukemia i met him in february he was basically given three days to live he had had it went into remission had it again and i met peter and peter said to me look you know please and i said well lymphatic leukemia this is like huge for me um but
it is your body and we can work through it um and he said to me he says you need to understand that the only thing i want from you is i want to get to the first of may pain free um with peter i used to see him as often as his body would would require me which in the beginning was basically every second day um to reconnect things to work on things but not only the physical body but to work the spiritual body as well um and on the second well basically on the first of may
he had his birthday party which he'd gone out his lymph his lymph glands were all but down to normal he'd gone out he'd had a good day um but that can happen anyway i i know somebody who had that who went into remission subsequently sadly she died but she had that period precisely and um it's it's about what what you can be doing um when peter started to have the pain and i went to go and see him i said to his wife well you need to give him a
painkiller which is no you don't understand fiona he threw all of that out when he met you really and to me that was an absolute shock because um he did have a doctor in the states that he used to deal with and every time that i told medical um which was about three days before peter passed away um i said to him you need to contact amy in the states he needs to take blood there's something medical happening um when he started having the pain um that was like early hours of the morning that i got
there and i said to him we don't have to do this your body's telling me medical so let's call a doctor let's get the people in um we called the doctors they came through they gave him something number one they couldn't believe that he had lymphatic leukemia and that he was taking a half panada every half an hour for the past couple of hours that's an aspirin by the way yeah okay um and he he was given the the injection to help him with the pain and to help him sleep and um all of a sudden his breathing started
doing very strange things and with a result Peter went unconscious.
So all I could do basically until the paramedics get there was to do like an emergency procedure type of thing to keep the body functioning.
Peter then came back conscious and proceeded to look up at me and tell me to take my hands off that I'd done what he asked me to do and he needed to go.
Wow.
And that was hard.
That was really hard.
And eventually I did remove my hands and Peter passed.
So he made, if we look at it the way that I know you would want to look at it, he made a contract with you and whatever helps you, Stella, the stars, his doctors and himself most importantly to get through that.
Precisely.
And he made that supreme effort.
But maybe you helped him.
This was it, I mean.
To do it.
Afterwards I found out that he was actually writing a book about all the experiences.
He had kept notes on it.
And in his like preface he had a section there where he spoke about me and I always want everybody to understand this.
It is not me.
It is your body that's working.
I'm only a vessel.
Okay, I'm just an adapter.
He had written there that, and this was before he had passed, to Fiona, his guardian angel on earth, without whose help his soul would not have transcended.
That's quite a story.
That's quite a story.
This was something that was done from before.
And I must admit, after Peter, I did, I wanted to stop.
I didn't want to know any of this because what is the purpose?
What happened here?
And only for me to be told that there are certain people that I can help to heal and there are other people that I can give a better quality life to the end.
Which brings us back to putting people where they're supposed to be.
Whether it's me, a tiny cog in a big wheel holding a recorder with his shoulder that was very sore a couple of weeks ago, to Peter, who needed to be helped on his way.
If you follow the logic, that's what it's for.
Totally, absolutely.
Okay, we're in this garden, the sun's beating down.
I think there's a child next door who's got the equivalent of a postman pat or Muppet's tape on.
So maybe that's telling us it's time to stop.
Where do you want to be in 10 years then, Fiona?
In the Western Cape and wherever the universe sees me, helping whoever needs to be helped in whatever way I can.
I know I still have a lot of things that I'm going to be taught and that I'm going to be teaching.
I don't think I'm anywhere near where they want me to be.
And will you keep working with the kids from Soweto?
Oh, totally, totally.
That's all part of the balance in life.
You have to give back.
Nice point to end the interview.
Fiona Zimmerman there recorded in South Africa just days ago in a beautiful sunlit garden.
You could hear the birds in the background.
And, well, I think she's got something.
I'm not sure what, but that's half the interest of doing what we're doing here.
You tell me what you think about her.
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