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March 15, 2008 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 11 - Yvonne Smith

Howard talks with World-renowned alien abduction hypnotherapist Yvonne Smith.

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Across the UK and around the world on the internet, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
Good to have you here.
We're going to get straight into it very, very soon, but just to do my thank yous for this month, and they start with me thanking you if you've emailed this show.
What I would say to you, however, you're accessing this show, please go to the website www.theunexplained.tv, that's www.theunexplained.tv, and send me an email.
It will take 30 seconds to a minute of your time, and it means a very great deal to me.
Now, as I said last time and the time before, this show is picking up listeners exponentially, and the last month has been a really, really good month for the show.
We now have listeners in all sorts of far-flung places.
I am sitting here now on a windy and stormy day in London at the beginning of what we are supposed to be calling springtime, but doesn't look anything like it.
And I know that I'm talking to people in places like Quezon City in the Philippines.
Hello.
In Beijing, in Sao Paulo, Brazil, in Yellowknife in Canada.
Welcome to you.
I know it's still frozen and cold up there, but thank you very much for being part of this show.
Right across the United States from Santa Barbara all the way across up to Maine and down to Florida.
We have listeners there.
And of course, all across Europe, in Amsterdam, in Copenhagen, in Moscow, and right across the United Kingdom too.
So thank you very much.
And I will again say, and I'm sorry for becoming a bore about it, this will be the last time I'll say it, drop the show an email and tell me you're there.
Now the emails that I've had in the last few weeks have been interesting ones because not only have they suggested some good things for me to do on the show, they've also come up with some ideas for funding it.
Because you know at the moment this is a free webcast and for a whole variety of reasons I can't continue to do it like this for very much longer because I'm not making any money out of it and there are costs associated with the show, da da da da da, and those things have to be met.
So some of you have suggested donations, setting up a donation section of the website.
Now that's something I'm considering, but there are also some other things I've got in mind, so we'll just see how it goes.
At the moment, this one is free and the next one will probably be free and we'll work out some kind of formula.
But in the meantime, any suggestions you have, let me know.
Thank you to Martin.
Martin, I haven't forgotten about you for the great theme tune that we've been using since the beginning of The Unexplained.
Martin is a music man and lives in the English Midlands, sent me completely unsolicited a theme tune for the show and we developed it together.
And he said, you can go ahead and use this for as long as you like.
So I've got a great theme tune that I think is better than the one that I had on radio when I did the show on radio for a year and a half.
And Martin gave it to me.
So Martin, I'm aware of what you did, and I still think of you.
Thank you very much indeed.
Now, let's get to the subject for this show.
We're going to talk about hypnotherapy, but hypnotherapy in one specific and very special way.
The person I'm going to talk to is very well known in UFO circles.
Since the 90s, Yvonne Smith has been taking people back through hypnotherapy to abduction experiences, alien abduction experiences.
Many people do this, but very, very few, if any, are as well qualified to talk about it as Yvonne Smith.
She has been on many radio and television shows.
She founded the close encounters resource organization CIRO in 1992 and has talked to a lot of people who have stories that will amaze you.
So let's get to the west coast of the United States now.
And online to the unexplained is Yvonne Smith.
Yvonne, thank you for doing this.
Thank you for having me on the show, Howard.
That's a great pleasure.
And reading about you, doing a bit of research about you before we did this little talk, you are no stranger to the UK, apparently.
No, I'm not.
I was, if you're familiar with Graham Birdsall, who unfortunately passed away a few years ago, invited me to speak in Leeds at that time with also researcher Jaime Massan from Mexico.
We had a very interesting visit in Leeds, and the conference was wonderful.
It was a loss when Graham passed away.
It is a fact, and this is a cul-de-sac to get into early, but let's just go down there very quickly, that so many people in the field that you're in, in ufology in its broadest sense, we seem to be losing so many of those people now.
Well, you know, as life happens, you know, people get older or things happen.
For example, Dr. John Mack.
I was thinking exactly of John Mack.
Yes, a friend and colleague of mine, of course, lectured with him for many years, unfortunately.
And he was in London, which was, you know, another strange component to this.
But he had an accident, was hit by a car.
He was not there to lecture on UFOs, but he was doing another conference.
And here we go, losing people like that, like John Mack and Graham Birdsall.
We just can't afford to do that in this field.
Well, if you read on the internet about the John Mack case, and of course there are a thousand people with a thousand theories about why people die, but they say John Mack in particular got a little bit too close to a lot of stuff to do with these phenomena, and there may be more to it than meets the eye.
Well, you know, I know I've heard that and I've spoken to people, but I'll tell you, Paula Harris and I, another very good friend and colleague, knew him very well.
She knew him extremely well.
I had him in Italy a couple times.
And he was just very, you know, he would walk on the sidewalk and then he would walk on the street and she'd have to tell him, John, you've got to get back on the sidewalk.
I really feel that there is no conspiracy surrounding John Mack.
It was just an unfortunate accident.
I mean, I know, you know, we have conspiracy theorists rampant in this field, but in this case, I just don't think, I think it was just an unfortunate accident.
Well, there are conspiracy theories about everything.
This show I used to do on coast-to-coast radio in the UK was heard all over Europe by satellite and on AM radio, and it ended as many things in life end, and I took it to the internet.
But if you look on the internet, there are conspiracy theories about why the show ended.
And, you know, none of Them, I'm here to say for anybody who's been peddling those things, none of them are true.
You know, it's just part of life, and actually, the internet is a great medium to put this across because this show, as I was explaining before you came on, now has listeners from places like Yellowknife in the far north of Canada.
I've never been there, but I've heard a lot about it down to the South Island of New Zealand and right across the world.
So, in a way, the whole thing did me a favor because I'm now taking this show to a much broader audience and able to get people like you on around the world, which is amazing.
Stuff that I dreamt about when I was a kid.
Oh, it's wonderful, and I really do think it's important for someone like myself from the United States to bring my work over to Europe and other countries.
And I have been to Italy and to do my work, to lecture about my work, and I hope to make it to England this year to talk about my book.
But it's just important to share our work, because I find that when I do, when I have lectured in Europe, people from that country will come up to me afterwards, and the stories are exactly the same as I hear in the United States.
So we're dealing with a worldwide phenomenon.
It's all a lot easier now because we have this thing called the Internet.
But when your interest in this began, and when my interest in all of this began, that's in the 80s and 90s, there was no Internet, certainly not for people like us.
And the only way that we could discover things were, well, we'd buy magazines and the newspapers would occasionally cover the stories of UFO sightings and what have you, but they would always scoff at them.
So getting information out there and trading information was terribly difficult then.
Yes, absolutely.
When I started my founded my support group 15 years ago, excuse me, I did not have, we had our computers and we were just getting email, but I sent out the newsletters snail mail to everybody.
Of course, now it's a lot easier where I could just send one email to all my members and everyone gets the news and the updates.
But you're right.
You know, when we started in this field, we had to go through other mediums to get the news or to put out our work.
Okay, we've talked all around it and we've got to get to it.
Tell me your story.
Give me the potted version of how you got into doing the work that you do and then we'll get into what exactly that work is.
Well basically it was, I believe I'm trying to think back at 19, well it was the late 90s, I'm sorry, early 90s, where my mother and I attended a lecture by pioneer, abduction pioneer Bud Hopkins.
I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he was lecturing in Los Angeles and my mother was very interested in meeting him.
We went to the lecture and I thought it was fascinating about what he was talking about as cases, talking about using hypnosis to delve into partial memories that people had in relation to their sighting.
And I began to study.
I went to hypnotherapy college and began to study about hypnotherapy and discovered that there are many, many ways, many therapies where hypnotherapy could benefit a person.
And I started working with people who were battling cancer and post-traumatic stress disorder and I opened up my practice.
So the idea being that if you take the person back through the thing that perhaps consciously they've blocked out, it helps them to work their way through it.
Oh yes, it helps bring those buried memories to the surface because this is what has been haunting a person for many years is they know something happened and they're receiving these partial, they have these partial memories or experiencing very vivid and recurring dreams.
They're unable to sleep many times.
They're just very, very bothered.
They're not able to concentrate.
So of course it affects their work.
And that's when a person will seek someone out like myself as a certified hypnotherapist.
How did you start doing this in relation to people who claim to have had abduction experiences?
How did you meet and connect with the first one, for example?
I attended my first conference, UFO conference, I believe it was in Las Vegas, Nevada, many years ago, and met Anne Druffel, who is an author and a longtime researcher in the field.
I read her book, and when I attended the lecture, I was very excited about meeting her.
And I discovered that she lived very, very close to me up here in the foothills, and she is the one that referred my first client.
And from there, it just snowballed.
My practice has always been through referrals.
And I began getting many, many cases.
And then I was asked to lecture, and then from there do radio shows.
And believe me, it was something that I never really thought of when I started my practice.
Winding it back to that very first case that you saw, the very first person you saw, and presumably you kept a recording of it.
Now, when you have done the regression of that person to the experience itself, which was a claimed abduction experience, I would presume you play the tape back to them and present to them your findings or what they said to you.
What sort of reaction did you get?
Well, I do audio tape each session.
I audio tape their conscious memory, and then I, of course, audio-tape when they are in hypnosis.
And, of course, we never know what will come out, if anything, in hypnosis.
But I don't play the tape for them there after the session.
I just, I keep the tapes in their file, and of course, they're welcome to copies of them at any time.
But after I work with an individual, and it could be for maybe six sessions, it could be for, as I have many longtime clients over the years, will sit and talk about what occurred in the session.
And of course, the reaction for most people is they struggle with some of the memories that have come forward.
Their first reaction is they feel they've made it up, but yet there is a very deep, raw emotion that goes along with these memories that come forward.
So, you know, if someone's just making up a story, it's really not going to be coupled with some raw emotion that they can't control unless they are an excellent actor.
And I guess one thing that would sort out somebody who was making it up or dragging it out of some screenplay from a movie they'd seen, the difference between that and a real life experience would be consistency.
So the story that you're being told under hypnosis would be consistent from beginning to end.
In other words, each part would relate to the next part and would relate to the last part, would relate back to the first part and so on.
Exactly.
And, you know, when someone is lying or making up a story, they have to remember everything they said to make sense and to develop an abduction story.
And the people that I have worked with over the last 17 years are very sincere people that would have nothing to gain.
Do those people, Yvonne, have anything in common?
Are they all at a particular stage in their lives?
Do they all do the same kind of work?
What is common between them?
Not at all.
We have not found a common thread that runs through all of these people.
It is a cross-section of any community.
They all have, you know, they come from different backgrounds, different socioeconomic backgrounds.
But we have found, Howard, that these experiences do start in early childhood.
And we also have found that these experiences run intergenerational.
So I have worked with many families.
If, you know, someone comes to me, I already know that their mother or father or grandparents have had an experience as well.
As where they have children, their children are going to have experiences.
Why do you think that is?
Oh, probably.
And of course, all I could do is speculate at this time that perhaps the alien entities are studying family lines for, you know, they're very interested in our genetics.
They take samples of DNA.
Well, exactly, do you think that from what you've heard they are harvesting, as many, many people have said in this field, are harvesting genetic material for some use that we are not fully aware of?
We're not fully aware of, but we also know because of all the hundreds of cases that have come forward that there is a hybrid program going on.
They're targeting, I feel, producing hybrid beings where they're becoming more and more perfected that they may already be walking among us.
We've had some reports of people that have felt that they come across these very different people.
I mean, they look very, very human, but of course they have certain qualities.
In other words, they're very psychic.
Well, there was a book, wasn't there, I think, written by two people in America about a girl who was part of a family who, I think she was a teenager and she seemed to be very different from anybody else.
She had different eyes.
I'm trying to remember the name of the book, but I interviewed these two people a few years ago.
The book sold very well in the States.
You probably came across it.
And that was the classic tale of the kind that you're talking about.
Yes, we've had some cases of, well, now we're talking about very intelligent children now being born, whether you want to call them star children or indigo children.
Is that another thing?
Is that another phenomenon?
Because yes, I've heard about that.
They are saying the children who are arriving on this planet today, being born today, have something about them that children who were born in my generation, in your generation, perhaps didn't.
Exactly.
These children are born from people who've had the abduction or contact experience.
And they are, you know, extreme.
They look normal, of course.
They look human, normal.
And I don't feel that they're hybrids, but I do feel that they are extremely intelligent.
And like you say, very different from our generation when we were born and growing up.
I have some people in my membership and in my group zero that feel that their children or grandchildren are maybe part of this star child or indigo child.
You know, we could put a label on it, but it's all the same.
And what do you make of these people who claim to channel higher intelligences, ascended masters or whatever you want to call them, who claim to be getting messages along the lines of these children are the people who ultimately are going to save this planet?
You know, Howard, I have to be very objective, of course, in this work because this work is difficult enough.
But I really, the jury is out, in other words, with the channelers.
I don't know if the channelers are actually working with or channeling entities from elsewhere.
Do any of the people who you regress through hypnotherapy contact these beings?
There are specific beings, and you probably know the names, I know the names, they're all over the internet, who claim to be channeling themselves down through selected individuals and and then sending their messages across into groups and from the groups across the internet to everybody else.
In my work, when I have regressed, I mean hundreds of cases, these people have been shown pictures of the earth, pictures of devastation, being told that we have to take care of the earth, otherwise we're going to lose our planet.
And these messages are told time and time and time again.
And of course I have this in my book in one of the chapters in detail, specifically about this one person who experienced this starting at a very young age.
I think he was about seven years old.
I know we have a very specific case of Anne Andrews, who was just our guest speaker this past Sunday, whose son Jason has said that they use his body to experience what we experience here on Earth, just the very simple things, like riding a horse, in other words.
So because we don't have all the answers to this, I mean, Howard, that could be very true about what people are claiming.
You see, there are so many things that we don't know, and you just used a word there.
You said they.
Now, who are they?
Who are doing the abducting?
Is it a higher intelligence?
Are they aliens in the traditional sense?
The greys with the big eyes?
The reptiles?
Who are doing this?
Well, basically, the abductors are usually the smaller ones, maybe three to four foot tall, which we refer to as the gray bees with the large eyes.
They seem to be the ones that their job is to bring the person to the craft or wherever they're going to have the interaction, an examination or whatever you want to call it.
Then once the person gets, I'll say, on the craft, then they will come across taller beings.
Sometimes they look just like the smaller ones, but these are taller.
Some of them have capes.
Some of them have very tight-fitting uniforms.
They come across the praying mantis type.
So this sounds like it works like a sort of hive, like a beehive where you have the queen bee and then the ones who go out and do the work.
Yes, definitely.
There is a chain of command, if you will, once the person is taken on the craft.
And I'll say on the craft because, you know, some people feel that they've been taken underground, and that's a whole other story, a whole other component to this.
But I'll say the craft because that seems to be the most common.
But yes, there is definitely a chain of command with these beings.
Oh, boy, this is a hard one, but what is the most fascinating abduction claim story that you have come across from somebody?
Well, I have two cases that I present in my book, Chosen, that are two cases of double abduction.
The one case that I present of the two brothers who were abducted in Tennessee in 1957, you know, that I think that case really put it on the map for me that these experiences are real and physical.
They're not of someone's imagination.
Their conscious memory was the same.
And when I hypnotized them both, and of course, I worked with one brother, and then ten years later, the second brother decided that he would like to try to do this.
And I compared the conscious memory, I compared the information that came forward in hypnosis, and it was extremely similar.
So we have two brothers 10 years apart, same story, yeah?
Two brothers 10 years apart, and the same story.
Same story.
And see, the brother that I had worked with for many years, he lived here at the time working for the film industry, never spoke to his brother about his hypnosis sessions because he wanted to know, is this real?
Did this really happen to us?
So we kept the case very, very pure, very clean, and I try to keep these type of cases as contamination-free as I possibly can in order to present the case as a true abduction experience.
All this stuff seems to have elements of that movie, The Manchurian Candidate, where a group of people are made to do things that they're not aware that they're doing and then made to forget all about it, which is incredibly traumatic for them.
Ultimately, they unlock the experience, they get the key to it and find out what they've done.
But it all sounds like that to me.
Well, what they're told is, and I have heard this for many years during the course of hypnosis, while they're there with the beings on the craft, they seem to, they're told that when the time comes, they're going to have a job to do, but they're not going to remember until that time comes.
And they've all been told this across the board.
So whatever that is that's coming in the future, they've had visions of leading hundreds of people somewhere.
They can't pinpoint what it is or where they're going, but they just know that they have a job to do.
And in my book, in that one chapter, that comes to mind is That the people that are given these tasks or jobs are the ones that are chosen, and that's why I chose the title chosen.
And the others that are not ready and maybe spiritually ready, emotionally ready, will be left behind.
So these people are being, if we follow the line of theory, prepared for something that is going to happen to this planet, which has been much talked about quite soon.
And that leads into theories that them up there believe that we are ruining this planet, we're going to destroy it, and ultimately, for that reason, we'll have to leave it.
Leave it?
I feel that, you know, there's a lot of talk about the year 2012, Howard.
I feel that if there's going to be a change, I think it's going to be, I feel, more of a spiritual change on the planet.
But the one chapter of Alfonso, he, under hypnosis, and this was, I've worked with him for many years, he feels very strongly, and he was shown, that there's going to be many earth changes, physical earth changes here on Earth.
Well, if you believe, and as you said, my feeling about it's the same too.
The jury is out on this, but the channelers believe that these changes are very, very imminent.
They're around the corner.
Well, we will see.
The only thing is, you know, we heard about this approaching the year 2000.
You know, there were going to be all these changes, and really nothing happened except for we had to, you know, make sure our computers were up and running.
Why 2K?
You know, 2012, I don't know.
I know that ties into the Mayan calendar.
Well, if something doesn't happen, then it blows a small hole or maybe an even larger hole in the whole theory of alien abduction because from what you've just said, these people in many cases believe that they are being prepared to do something, have some role in something which is about to happen.
And if nothing happens quite soon within their lifetime, then what's the point of preparing them?
Well, you know, we don't know exactly why they're being told this, of course.
But they have not mentioned, none of the cases that I've worked with have mentioned the year 2012.
So I'm not really targeting that year.
But, you know, time will tell, of course, and so much of this is just theory on our part, those of us who are studying this and working with these cases.
But do you get the sense that our knowledge of this is increasing, or are we just stabbing more and more into larger portions of the dark?
I'm sorry, say that again?
Did you get an idea that we are building a database of knowledge, of consistent knowledge about all of this, or are we just stabbing more and more into bigger and bigger portions of the darkness out there?
No, no, we're putting together patterns with all of these cases.
Like I said, you know, many of them are shown these pictures of devastation and told that they're going to be, you know, they have something to do when the time comes.
There's, of course, patterns with how these people are abducted, you know, what happens to them once they're taken on the craft.
They're definitely shown these hybrid babies and children, and the people that are told that these are their children, they're abducted time and time again and shown these children as they're growing up.
And they're told that they need to have contact with these hybrid children in order for these children to develop.
Now, people who like to make fun of this concept and people who like to have a laugh at the whole idea of alien abduction always say, okay, yeah, I was taken up into a spaceship.
I had sex with an alien up there, and then they put me back down into my bed, and two hours of time had elapsed, and I thought it was two minutes.
But do those things happen?
Is there physical sexual contact between abductees and aliens?
Yes, there's times where there is sexual interaction with, and I've had many cases of the abductee coming across a very human-looking alien, and we feel that those are the hybrids, the very perfected hybrids.
These beings are very, they're tall, they have muscular, just very, very fit bodies, men and women.
But of course, you know, in our society, you know, sex sells, unfortunately.
So everybody wants to have this, you know, especially when I'm doing shows, they want to sensationalize this.
And, you know, this topic is already sensational.
Well, you know, I had to ask you about it.
It gets asked every time somebody like you is on radio or television.
But you're right.
These are the stories that go to the top of the pile, and perhaps the other stories get demoted.
But it's no, it does happen in these cases.
And most of the time when the men are going through sperm extraction, it's very clinical.
There's not any sexual component at all.
They're taking sperm samples from these men, and the men feel as if they've been raped.
And they feel violated.
How could they do this?
They've not asked permission.
And like I said, it's very, very clinical.
Which sounds like a major component of the post-traumatic stress disorder which you started out by researching.
I'm sorry.
It sounds like a major component of the post-traumatic stress disorder that you began by researching.
Yes, when I lectured at the Loughlin International Conference two weeks ago, I covered the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
And as I worked with people, and I work with many people who have suffered car accidents, and they have the symptoms of PTSD, well, I also brought up the symptoms of people who've been abducted.
And it is the exact same thing.
So abductions are very physical.
They're very real.
It's trauma.
And in the middle do the people who are abducted, do they want to go back and experience it again, or do they want it to stop?
Is there desire for the thing to end for them?
It varies.
It depends on the person.
Because at first this is something so frightening because they have no idea what's happened to them.
You know, the American government has stated for the last 60 some odd years that UFOs don't exist, which we know is a total lie.
Well, so if UFOs don't exist, how can they be abducting people?
And it's just, you know, the U.S. government has had a very successful smear campaign, if you will.
So if anybody wants to come forward, they're ridiculed and laughed at.
They're not taken seriously.
And so these people that are abducted, they feel who can they talk to?
Where do they go?
And how could this happen?
Something that's always interested me about this, though, if abductions are happening and they are as regular an occurrence as we are being told over the years that they are, how come the aliens or the powers that be do not abduct President Bush or Oprah Winfrey or you or me?
Well, we really don't know that.
You know, we don't really know that.
So it might have happened already and we just don't know it.
I mean, some of the presidents, I believe President Clinton and President Carter, did have sightings.
And I believe President Reagan made reference to if we ever were invaded by beings from another world.
Well, he came very close to what some people call disclosure a number of times, didn't he?
Well, he made reference to it in several of his lectures.
But, you know, something happens when the presidents do get in office and they really don't have total control.
You know, they say, you know, yes, they want to expose the UFO phenomenon, but they get in office and it dies.
Well, do you think that Iran, they have the information?
Do you think that they have most of the information at their fingertips, or do you feel that it's kept from them by, I don't know, the CIA, NASA?
I don't think the president himself has all the information, if any.
I think there are certain components, a certain group within the government, I don't know who it is, CIA or whoever it is, that has the information.
They know these things are happening, but they're keeping it from the American people.
And I think what the president is, they call it plausible deniability.
They can go to the president and he can say, I have no idea, and it's true.
But it's unfortunate that our government here is so closed on the subject where the American people in general feel that sightings of these objects don't happen very often, but yet they do.
We just don't hear about it.
The big one a couple years ago was in O'Hare Airport in Chicago.
I mean, there was a disc hovering over the United Airlines terminal where pilots saw it, ground crew saw it, passengers saw it.
Seemingly everybody at that airport at that time saw it.
Have you come across anybody who did?
I don't believe, I'm trying to think if I met somebody in Laughlin, but now I can't recall.
But somebody did lecture about it during that conference.
We also had another, we had two sightings here in Southern California, one on New Year's Day in San Diego, California, south of where I am.
And there was just a small little blurb of it, but I think it was mainly on YouTube and not the, maybe I believe it was on Fox News, but anyone just, you know, barely heard about it.
There was another one in Orange County, California.
This was all at the beginning of 2008.
And, you know, the American people are being lied to.
Now, I don't know how open they are there in the UK, Howard, about these things.
Well, we like to think we are, but we have a culture of secrecy just as you have.
Now, we are opening some of our files up this year, they are telling me, which is bound to be a good thing or should be a good thing, but I don't know.
There is a theory, isn't there, that says if you make available a lot of information, you then make available so much information that it's hard to find the thing you're looking for.
So actually opening up the books is not as good a thing as we might think it is.
Yeah, well, you know, I know that the UK is opening up some files.
I know Paris did.
I know when I flew to Ireland last year, the day we arrived in Dublin, the Irish government released some of their files.
And that was a very funny coincidence.
But I think the United States government should be ashamed of themselves for keeping such an important story, important phenomenon away from the American people because so many people have had sightings and had experiences that somebody like you mentioned,
Oprah or somebody that is very well known, they could have very well had their own sighting or anomalous type of experience, but they're not going to talk about it.
Well, somebody who is talking about it, you met Jesse Marcel Jr., didn't you?
Son of Jesse Marcel Jr.
The man who was in charge at Roswell, who put out the information that a saucer had been seen that got into the media, and then that story was stopped.
And the original Jesse Marcel, father of Jesse Marcel Jr., was made to look a fool at the end of the day.
So, if you met him, what did he say to you?
I've known him.
I've known Jesse Marcel Jr. for many years.
We first lectured together at the international conference in Brazil, but he finally wrote his book and it was debuted in Roswell last year.
But he has talked about and has said the same thing over and over again.
His story never changes.
And he was about 12 years old when his father brought portions of whatever crashed out in the desert of New Mexico.
He said he remembers it.
He held it in his hand.
He saw the I-beam.
And he said that this was very real.
And this is what he remembers.
And then when his father went to the base and took all the items, as you said, he was made to state that it was a, oh, sorry, we mistaked it for a weather balloon.
Well, he was made to backtrack and completely retract the story, and of course had to live, if the movie account of it is correct and the book account of it is correct, had to live the rest of his life in the shadow of that.
Oh, and just that he made this terrible mistake, and he was ridiculed.
And I think it's shameful the way, because back in the 40s, and Justin and I were talking about this, that the American people, especially people in the military, were very pro-government.
And whatever the government said, whatever the military said, and then that was gospel.
And they were very, you know, he said his father was just a military man, and he was very loyal, and he was loyal for many years.
And for him to be treated that way, I think, is shameful.
Well, a lot of people arguably have been doing their duty for these many decades and not telling what they know.
That's how the story goes.
But let's see if as these people get to a certain age and they haven't got a lot of their lives left, let's see if any of them come out and say, well, actually, I know this and this happened.
Now, through your work, we've talked about people being traumatized through the experience of being abducted and experimented on and told various things and shown various things.
Anybody you come across who actually feels that they've been enhanced by the experience, that it's done something good for them?
You know, when people, once they've gone through the process of regression and they decide if they're ready to stop, if they feel they don't need any more sessions,
if they pretty much have a handle on what's going on, some of them, as I mentioned before, it depends on the person and how they process and integrate the experience into their lives.
But many of them have said that they feel that they've grown spiritually from this experience.
They still feel that I wish they would have told me what they're doing or asked me permission, but many of them feel that they're better people for having the experience.
And were any of them given any insight into what happens when we die?
No, they have not.
And have you talked to people who've been ongoing through the process of abduction, these people who've been abducted regularly since the age of seven or whatever it is?
Have you actually been able to catch people in mid-cycle when they've been, you know, perhaps they had an experience a year ago and they're expecting another experience?
Or is it always retrospective?
It's ongoing.
In fact, I've worked with my longtime clients where they had an experience a few days prior or a few days prior, a week prior, and they call to book a session because they want to know what happened to them.
Is it tempting at that point, if you can do this, to plant questions to put on the next abduction?
To plant questions and things to do, tasks for the person the next time they're taken away, if you see what I'm saying?
Well, they do.
You know, the person they abductee themselves will try to remember to ask these beings a question, why are you doing this?
And, you know, tell me what is the ultimate plan.
But many of them, you know, really don't get complete answers.
Or if they do get answers, they're not sure if it's a true answer.
People see each other on the craft.
That's happened so much in my support group, CIRO, where they've seen each other, they've seen other people on the craft with them.
So there's so many different components to all of this.
It's very, very complex.
Now, Yvonne, what about the fear factor?
Because here we have people perhaps in groups.
They see each other, they recognize each other, but they're all in literally an alien environment.
Are they afraid?
Do they recall being scared?
If I was in that situation consciously, I would be scared out of my mind.
You know, up where they're taking, and I'll say the craft, they are pretty much, they're not in the same state that they are here.
My one CIRO member said when he saw the other, he said that they acknowledged each other, but it's almost that they're in some sort of a trance at times where they know that they're there to perform, you know, they have a job to do and they're going to be examined or whatever the alien beings have planned for them.
So it's exactly like that feeling you get at the dentist.
You know that you're not particularly going to enjoy what's going to happen, but you know it has to happen.
And they're, you know, in other words, they feel that they're not in control of the situation.
And when they have seen other people and they describe a sort of a waiting room type area or holding area, they all look like as if they're in a trance.
And some do look very frightened and confused.
So, but, you know, they unfortunately they say that they know that they're not in control of the situation.
In other words, they're not able to try to run or, you know, try to hit the alien being because, of course, they're able to read their mind.
So, and I think that's why they render people paralyzed when they're capturing them because these beings are very, very small in stature.
I mean, their hands are very fragile and they feel that, gee, I could go and hurt this being, you know, because they're so fragile looking.
But they can read everyone's mind, so they know what the objectee may be thinking and may try to do.
In the years that you've been doing this, have you ever heard anything that shocked you?
Oh, sure, over the years.
I'm trying to think specifically.
It's so funny now because I've done this for so long that nothing shocks me anymore.
But I do have this one case that I feature in my book, the case of Mary, where she was placed into a tank of some sort of a liquid, and she was made to breathe it.
And during her regression, she really was convinced she was going to drown and just went through all kinds of emotions and fear.
And I had to keep reminding her that you didn't drown, you came out of it, you're alive.
But that was the first time I had heard that.
And then, of course, I've heard it a few other times.
But I think that shocked me the most of being placed in a tank of liquid to breathe.
Now, here's a question that I've been asked very many times doing the job that I do over here.
And that question is, how come this only ever appears to happen to Americans?
It doesn't.
I mean, that's just, that is.
Well, that's a belief that people have in the UK that it's only people who live in the Midwest or in California, somewhere like that, who have this experience.
No, it's all, and people need to know it's all over the world.
It's in, you know, other countries.
This is a worldwide phenomenon.
As I mentioned before, when I have lectured in other countries, people come up to me, even though they can't speak English, they have someone who can interpret for them, and they're telling me that something, perhaps one of the illustrations struck a chord with them.
It's something that they experienced and they remember seeing.
So, no, it definitely is not a phenomenon that just occurs in the United States.
And has anybody who's been abducted ever been told anything that is useful in real time on this side of the planet?
In other words, have they been told winning lottery numbers or who's going to win an election or what is going to happen in Iraq or something that would be useful here?
Only that, you know, they're concerned about us because we're such a violent society.
You know, we can't get along with each other down here.
They've always been concerned about our wars and our weapons.
And, you know, there's, you know, many, many instances back in, oh gosh, I believe it was maybe the 60s or 70s, maybe later than that, where, you know, craft has been seen over our military weapons installations.
And they've actually turned off the systems of weaponry.
So, you know, it's something that concerns us, of course, but it concerns them because I think they feel that we could affect other planets in the universe.
But, you know, mainly that we really have to spiritually grow and take care of our planet and think about what we're doing down here.
But isn't that interesting?
These people, these beings clearly have great powers that we don't have, and they have technology that we don't have, as far as we know.
But they don't feel that they should intervene here.
They feel that they should let us get on with it, which makes it sound like we're one great big experiment.
Well, I'll tell you, I do think that they're observing us, of course, and they won't or they can't interfere.
They're not going to swoop down here and save us.
I just don't think that's going to happen.
It's up to us.
Nice thought, though, isn't it?
Nice thought.
It's up to us.
Yeah, it's a nice thought, very nice thought, but I just don't think that is going to happen.
What's your next major project?
I'm writing my second book, and my next big conference will be in Roswell, New Mexico, which will be the 61st anniversary.
Another project is, of course, I'm doing many interviews and developing some television projects.
And I'm hoping to, as I mentioned before, come to England and lecture, bring my work over there, and of course visit.
Well, when you do, I would very much like to meet you in the flesh.
You know, much easier than talking over a telephone line.
Yes, absolutely.
And may I give everybody my website address?
Sure, absolutely.
It's www.ysmith.
That's my first initial, ysmith.com.
And if they're interested, they can order my new book Chosen on my website.
And if they'd like to email me, my address is yvon at ysmith.com.
Now, what I'd also like to happen, if you wouldn't mind doing this, Yvonne, if anybody from the UK or from any of the places where this show reaches gets in touch with you and tells you that they've had an abduction experience and they are willing to share that a little more broadly than just yourself, let me know because I think we need to do another show about that, yeah?
I would love to do a show with you, Howard, where if it's possible to have a person who's had the experience on with myself and we could have a conversation, three-way conversation.
Well, for a whole variety of reasons, there is a development that may be happening to do with this show that would allow that to happen, Yvonne.
I can tell you about that another time.
It's all in the works at the moment, but I would certainly love to do that.
If you can help me locate somebody in the UK where I am based, and when you come to the UK, let's get that three-way thing together.
Absolutely.
I would love to do that.
However, as I mentioned before, I think it's important to let the audience know that this happens worldwide.
Okay, the book, the current book is called Chosen.
Fascinating book.
Yeah, Chosen, Recollections of UFO Abductions Through Hypnotherapy.
It was just newly released two weeks ago.
All right, and you can find out about it and about Yvonne at www.ysmith.com.
That's whysmith.com.
Yvonne, thank you very much indeed, and thank you for persevering with what hasn't been the greatest phone line in the world.
Oh, not a problem, Todd.
It was my pleasure, and I'm looking forward to doing your show again.
Yvonne Smith, looking forward to meeting you too.
Thank you very much for being on The Unexplained.
Thank you.
Take care.
Yvonne Smith, talking about alien abductions, is this you?
Have you had that experience?
If you have had that experience, get in touch with Yvonne, but also get in touch with me here.
You know, there is nothing in this day and age I don't believe to be afraid of.
The era when people were ridiculed for these things, I think, passed probably 10 years ago.
I know, what do you think?
It doesn't seem to me that in 2008 people are as skeptical about such phenomena as they were when I first started investigating and being interested in them.
So I'm going to leave you with that thought.
If you want to get in touch with Yvonne, you know how to do that now.
If you want to get in touch with me, then it's www.theunexplained.tv and follow the directions on the site and you can email me direct.
Just very quickly before we go, just to tell you, of course, that the Beyond Knowledge Conference is in Liverpool on the 3rd and 4th of May.
We mentioned this a couple of shows back.
It's produced by my good friend Dave Truman.
And if you go to the website, which is beyond-knowledge.co.uk, lots of details about the many interesting speakers who will be there who talk about a lot of the subjects we've talked about on this show.
Very reasonably priced for that weekend up in Liverpool, the city of my birth.
If you want to know more about it, if you want to book or get more details, then the number is 0151-708-9859.
That's 0151-708-9859.
That's in Liverpool.
And if you want to dial from outside the UK, the country code is 44, and it then becomes 151-708-9859.
That's Dave Truman's Beyond Knowledge Conference happening at the very front end of May.
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