Piers Morgan and guests debate whether Harry and Meghan are "grifters" exploiting Australia as a cash cow without sovereign funding, citing Meghan's alleged hot tea incident and her $26,000 Cartier watch while serving the homeless. While Tessa Dunlop defends their right to profit, critics contrast their actions with Prince Andrew's stripped titles over Jeffrey Epstein ties, arguing they create a disrespectful "rival royal family." Amidst King Charles's cancer battle and the upcoming royal US visit, the discussion highlights deep institutional scrutiny before Josh Duhamel declines political commentary, signaling a new "Royals Uncensored" show. [Automatically generated summary]
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Renegade Royal Family00:07:06
This is the scene of the original crime in which Meghan Markle, very early on in their marriage, she and Harry went on their Australia tour.
And she reportedly said, I cannot believe I'm not getting paid for this.
They're using Australia as a cash cow.
They are grifters.
That is why they're here.
These two carried on trashing the royals and the monarchy throughout the death of two of the great figures.
And they are no longer suckling on the nickel that was the sovereign's right.
You can't unroyal Harry.
Born a prince, once a prince, always a press prince.
It's just literally unroiled Andrew.
There's one common thing that they both do.
And that is damage for monarchy.
I think it's very damaging.
I mean, it looks just like a royal tour.
This is exactly what you said you didn't want to be a part of.
This might be another watershed moment where something has to happen.
This was the whole point of the Sandringham Summit.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
It's no secret that the British monarchy is in the fight of its life.
The late Queen, its global figurehead for 70 years, is gone.
The monarch is still battling cancer.
There's relentless global scrutiny on the institution's historic sins.
And scandal surrounding the former Prince Andrew has tied the global brand to paedophile Geoffrey Epstein.
Little wonder that King Charles' estate visit to the US in a couple of weeks is being billed as make or break.
And little wonder why Harry and Meghan chose now for their latest cosplaying sham royal tour.
We'll get the verdict from Australia where the egos have landed.
And I have an exclusive announcement coming up about how Uncensored will be covering this momentous existential time for the royal family.
An all star panel is standing by.
But here to set the scene is Maureen Callaghan, voice of Australia and host of The Nerve.
Maureen, how are you?
I'm well, Piers.
I'm so happy to be back with you for this incredibly important conversation.
There's a lot of damage being done.
So let's talk about the damage.
I mean, look, from where I sit, what you have is an extraordinary situation where two people who have caused intense damage to the reputation of the royal family and the institution of the monarchy are now running a kind of renegade rival royal family, engaging in rival tours and going to places like Australia.
And that can only be ultimately more damaging for the actual royal family.
Agreed.
And we're watching these two do exactly what they said they didn't want to do.
This is why they left the royal family, correct?
This is the scene of the original crime in which Meghan Markle, I believe it was very early on in their marriage, she and Harry went on their Australia tour, their inaugural, and she reportedly said, I cannot believe I'm not getting paid for this.
This is also the site of her allegedly, reportedly, throwing a very hot cup of tea on a senior aide.
In a moment of grave displeasure, they are now back there.
This is what I truly love.
They're there because they can't get work anywhere else.
Netflix has dumped them.
Spotify and Lemonade have dumped Megan.
The coffers have dried up.
They are in Australia, where I am told reliably by many Australian audience members of The Nerve, they are not wanted.
There is a petition that is up to at least 45,000 signatures demanding that the Australian government spend not one iota of their tax money.
Protecting these two.
I have heard from people who have tried to sign up to Megan's girls retreat, which is coming up the weekend after this one.
And you're made to fill out a form in which you must disclose your age.
These are people who want to pay to go.
And I had one woman write to me and say, I had to put my age in.
My age is 63.
I knew that minute I would be declined.
There are still tickets available.
They can't sell out this.
It's a 300 person venue.
She can't sell out 300 seats.
What should be done about them, do you think, from your perspective?
I mean, I've been banging this drum for quite some time on the nerve with you, with people like Lady Colin Campbell.
The titles need to be stripped.
It needs to happen.
And I don't, from everything I'm told, William is all for just cutting the cord, cutting them out.
And it's Charles who is the soft touch, who is very, very reluctant to do so.
But we now have precedent with Andrew.
Mountbatten Windsor, who was Prince Andrew, who is the king's brother, he's had everything stripped.
And to date, he's not been convicted of any crime.
He certainly hasn't been out there attacking the royal family, attacking the monarchy on a global stage.
His offence, the reason he's had all his titles removed, was because he basically lied about a friendship with a convicted paedophile.
You know, it's very easy, I would argue, to construct an argument once you set a precedent for removing titles from people.
That brings dishonor to the royal family and the monarchy.
Well, why wouldn't you do the same to Harry and Meghan?
Let them go and be what the Spotify executive called them, a pair of effing grifters.
If they want to go and make a ton of money out of being Harry and Meghan, fine.
But to do it under the guise of titles bestowed by the royal family and monarchy, which they have spent years trashing, I think is unacceptable.
I couldn't agree with you more.
And, you know, Andrew, I would argue, should have had his title stripped long ago.
It wasn't just that he was friends with a pedophile, it was that he was reportedly, allegedly engaged in sexual activity with girls who had been trafficked, who were made to have sex with Andrew against their will.
Fergie is now persona non grata.
The last I heard, she's in the Middle East.
You know, this is the trajectory.
I'm not comparing Harry and Meghan to.
Andrew having been friends with a known pedophile.
But what they are doing is absolutely pretending to be royals executing royal duties on a royal tour.
The visit to the children's hospital, highly publicized.
That's Megan ripping something right out of Diana's playbook.
Serving homeless women the other day, wearing Diana's $26,000 Cartier watch, wearing a Christian Dior tailored suit.
The recording that we got out of it wasn't Megan.
Giving to these homeless women.
What we saw, at least in my algorithm, was a homeless woman off cam because we cannot have the dispossessed next to one Meghan Markle befouling her frame saying to Meghan, Oh, you look like a supermodel.
You're so beautiful.
You know, it's all about the servicing of this ego that is boundless, that has, it will never, ever be filled.
And in the United States, what we saw most recently before these two decamped to Australia.
Oprah Hates Eugenie00:14:27
My sources tell me that Meghan invited herself to a private party hosted by Netflix, attended by Ted Sarandos, head of Netflix, and his wife.
It was an event for Carrie Mulligan, the esteemed British actress.
The dress code was black and white.
Carrie was the only one who was going to be dressed in a very specific color green.
And what did Meghan do?
Sharp elbowed her way in wearing the same color gown as the guest of honor.
Shocking.
Maureen, final question.
The king of my country and his queen are coming to the United States.
They're spending four days there.
King Charles will address Congress.
They're going to go to New York.
I'm going to be there actually when they're there.
It's going to be a big deal.
There's only been one other monarch who's gone to address Congress in history, and that was his mother, Queen Elizabeth, in the early 90s.
What's the mood about King Charles and Queen Camilla?
The mood in America is we have great sympathy for Charles, especially given his health struggles.
But there is a hunger here for the generational change, the youth and glamour, the discipline and rigor that William and Catherine represent.
So I think Charles and Camilla will be received very warmly with open arms.
Yet I think that it really, we are coming to the point where there is a hunger on both sides of the Atlantic for a change.
And there's no sentiment as we approach the 250th anniversary of your independence in America that you made a terrible mistake and you'd like to invite us to come back and rule you again?
Oh, as King George sang in Hamilton, this is the breakup you'll regret.
Yes.
You'll be coming back to me.
Corona.
Yeah, no.
It's quite remarkable, isn't it?
In human history, it's the blink of an eye, you know, and yet America and Britain, it is the special relationship that is deeply valued.
And that is why the actions of Harry and Meghan.
Elicit such revulsion in America because of our great affection for Britain and the royals.
You know, if it hadn't been for Mad King George, you could have had King Piers.
No, Maury?
Would that it were so, Piers.
Maury, great to have you back.
Love your show, The Nerve.
More power to you.
Thank you so much.
Look forward to talking to you again soon.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Well, today I'm joined by the Royal Editor, Katie Nicol, Editor and Royal Commentator, Joe Elvin, historian and author.
Tessa Dunlop from the US, Grant Harold, the former butler to King Charles, and from Sydney, Danica DiGiorgio of Sky News Australia.
Well, let me start with you, Danica, because you've been capturing a lot of global headlines for a withering assault on the visit of our beloved Sussexes to your great country.
So just summarise your view of this visit.
Well, what I would say is Mr. and Mrs. Grifter, Piers, have come to Australia and are using us as a cash cow, essentially.
Because what we have seen over the last two days is Meghan and Harry using every opportunity for a photo opportunity here, a PR or PR.
I mean, they love a microphone and they love a camera, don't they?
The funniest part about this, Piers, you know, they say that they're just coming here as two private citizens.
Well, in the last couple of hours, Meghan has been announced, would you believe, as a guest.
Judge on the Australian version of MasterChef, as in the cooking show.
Now, I think she's going to be.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's extraordinary because apparently she's going to be providing mentorship and guidance.
Now, I don't know about you, but what sort of mentorship and guidance can she possibly be providing?
Will she be showing them how she makes her jam or her dog treats?
So they're using Australia as a cash cow.
They are grifters.
That is why they're here.
Now, the other side of this is I have seen scenes of, you know, a lot of people.
Pleased to see them turning up, you know, happy to be with them, wanting pictures and so on and so on.
So they're clearly not hated by everybody in Australia.
You know, is there a portion of Australia that actually is well up for them coming over and enjoying it?
Well, look, I think so.
And as you can see, the vision here, when they did go to the children's hospital, they were greeted by the crowds.
But this is certainly not the hundreds of thousands that lined the streets back in 2018 for their last visit, because you recall they were newlyweds at the time when they last.
Came here, and we were so excited because this is when they announced that they were pregnant with Archie.
So we felt honoured until we found out that Meghan actually hated the trip.
Apparently, she hated every second.
She said, I can't believe that I'm not being paid for this.
She had her sourpuss face on the entire time and said that this was the catalyst for leaving the royal family.
Now, I think we're a pretty decent bunch down under, I've got to say, Piers.
We're pretty tolerant, we're pretty respectful, but Meghan and Harry disrespected us.
So, no, the fanfare isn't there like it was eight years ago.
Sure, the crowds are going to come out.
When they're doing their walkabouts here and there.
But no, this is not 2008, 18.
It's a very different tour.
I mean, you are a great country with great people until there's an Ashes series on, and then you become utterly unbearable, would be my overview of Australia.
All right, let's open this up to the others.
Welcome to all of you.
Tessa, as the resident defender of all things indefensible for Harry and Meghan, I mean, look, I can see there's something about them which could have been a great asset to the royal family.
No question.
I wrote that.
On the day they got married.
People forget this, but the mayor of Sunday wrote a huge piece about how great they could be for the royal family.
Then it all went sour.
Not going to re litigate all those years of souring.
But here you've got, to me, the absolutely intrinsic problem.
You've got a rival royal family out there behaving like the actual royal family.
That can't be sustainable.
Your thoughts?
I think you all protest a little too much, and I can smell the rat.
The problem with now complaining about grifter Meghan and Harry and, oh, look, they're just a cash cow, they're milking Australia.
No one's forcing Australia to buy tickets to Meghan's retreat.
No one's forcing Australians to go and welcome them on their walkabouts.
But any member of the royal family could go and do that.
Yeah, right.
They could all do it.
But let's hold that thought.
First of all, you can't unroil Harry, even if you brew her heart.
They just unroiled Andrew.
Two seconds.
Yeah, that was it.
By the way, Piers.
That was really uncomfortable when you were sitting there, Neanderson style, placing Harry in the same bracket as Andrew.
I was cringing here, and I bet some of these two that.
I know they're your friends.
In a cringe when he was placing Harry alongside Andrew.
You can't put them in the same bracket.
But Piers did.
Actually, you can put them in this bracket, which is I've always made it clear that Andrew's offences to me are far more egregious than anything that Harry and Meghan have done.
I've never said anything different, and I wouldn't say that now.
I think the way he lied about his relationship with Epstein, the damage he's done, his refusal to give evidence under oath.
It's all on a different level.
However, the commonality of it is where you, through any of your actions, dishonour and disrespect the reputation of the institution of the monarchy or the royal family, then actually there is now an established mechanism with the Andrew situation to remove their titles.
And a lot of British people in the polls don't agree with you, they agree with me.
Right, so forgive me.
As we know, the polls are often dictated by the loudest public discourse, dominated by people like you.
But if we're going to get into the weeds of the situation, Forgive me for this.
Let's look at those who have insidiously, indirectly damaged the royal brand, who also have titles.
For example, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, happily going over to have lunch paid for by a convicted paedophile in the wake of their mummy.
Adults, by the way, referred to as girls, but as adults.
You're not really going to attack two young women in their early 20s for decisions taken by their parents, are you?
Well, I'm just saying that they are very happy to keep their Grace and Favour titles.
You're talking about low blows.
To keep their princess titles on the royal brand.
Have you met Eugenie and Beatrice?
When did you last hang out with Harry?
I mean, let's just be honest about this, Piers.
We're talking about constructs that carry British titles that we're all looking at from afar and making judgments.
Harry and Meghan overtly sat there and criticised in that moment, in a painful moment, the royal family.
Well, they didn't criticise them, they absolutely trashed them.
Whereas.
At a moment when Philip was dying, then the Queen died, nothing stopped them.
Was that out there, though?
These two carried on trashing the royals and the monarchy throughout the deaths of two of the great figures in England.
And they were no longer suckling on the nipple that was the sovereign grant.
Whereas Eugenie and Beatrice have enjoyed that gravy trail all their long lives until very recently, and they still have a lot of.
I think it's a low blow, as Tammy.
Okay, well, you may well do, but I find it honest what they're doing in Australia.
You may find it vulgar, I find it honest.
And just finally, she said, call me Meg.
She didn't even demand to be introduced as Duchess.
Great.
Still, let's call her Meg.
Let's quit the Duchess bullshit.
Okay, well, that's what she wants.
Hi, Meg.
Meg and Duchess of Sussex.
No, I'm from Sussex.
Piss off.
Right, ladies, welcome to both of you.
Thank you.
Katie, look, Tessa, God bless her, always defends the indefensible with these two.
There are people that agree with her.
The polls show it's a low number of people in this country.
But there are some that go, yeah, they roar on Tessa Dunlop.
And some in Australia.
But I actually think there will be.
Look, there will be.
And there are some people in America that like them too.
Let's not pretend they're all right.
But I also, can I just make this point because I think it's important?
The majority, I think, also put Harry and Andrew in two very different categories.
And I don't think you can put them in here.
But there's one common thing that they both do.
And that is damaged the monarchy.
And that is what we're seeing.
I think that's what we're seeing in this tour.
Because I think on the eve of a really important US tour that's massive for the monarchy, with rumours that William and Catherine's next trip might well be to Australia, doesn't this just take the gloss off?
And what is this tour?
I don't understand what it is because I've done many of these royal tours.
And apart from, I was saying to Joe in the makeup room, apart from unveiling a plaque or planting a tree, this looks like a royal tour.
At the weekend, they are going to be coining it in, and that's where I have a massive problem with this.
But you can't unroyal Harry, born a prince.
Once a prince, always a prince.
It's just literally unroiled Andrew.
Yeah, and it is an exceptional case who is hanging out with a paedophile, probably selling state assets for you.
Speaking as the Neanderthal at the desk, you are talking obvious nonsense because they've literally just done it to Andrew.
Joe.
Hi, Piers.
I'm not a shouter.
Let's just start with that.
But I think.
But you are Australian.
I am Australian, and I have a lot of.
Boots on the ground there, and it is going down like a cup of cold sick in most territories.
I've had my even my father, who's got no interest in the royals, sort of like texting me and saying, You can have it from me, nobody wants to pay tax for their security.
And I think that is a fair point.
But to Dina's point earlier about Australia being used as a cash cow, the funny thing for me about all of that is, is how much of a cash cow is it when you think about how the mighty have fallen?
It just looks so tawdry now.
Yeah, it does.
It looks so like, you know, they can't even sell out a 300 seat venue at I know for the average person, $2,500, $3,000 is a lot of money for a ticket.
It's nothing compared to Spotify deals, 100 million Netflix deals.
They really have.
I mean, that Vanity Fair piece that came out recently about the Netflix saga was really quite devastating, actually.
But I think it's.
Because the details in it were just.
They just came over so badly.
And Hollywood clearly just.
Well, you know what?
We're done with these two.
But don't you think, Tessa, they've kind of unroiled themselves?
I feel like they are sort of like just.
Not much better now than.
Crap selections.
The moment Meghan Markle looked down the barrel of the camera with Oprah Winfrey and accused the royal family of being racists, and we now know that she was accusing King Charles and Catherine, our future queen.
We know that from the book that appeared in wherever it was, Holland, which Omid Scobie wrote, where he named them, right?
So that was who were put in the letters.
So we know that's a fact.
The moment they did that, and then a fascinating thing happened, because Tessa and I argued about this all the time.
When Harry read his 400-odd page book, About his whole life.
You know the two things that weren't in the book?
The racism allegations never reappeared.
They were apparently, he later explained in an interview with Tom Bradby, an invention of the media.
That's right, yeah.
Right?
It was the media that said that this had nothing to do with them.
And the mental health allegations, which of course I have a personal interest in because it led to me leaving stage right from Good Morning Britain because I didn't really believe it that anyone at the palace would deny treatment to somebody who said they were feeling suicidal.
And curiously, that never appeared again either and has never been repeated.
So my gut instinct when I watched that Oprah thing, which, let's be honest, It started this whole thing.
It's all been from then on, sparked by the Oprah interview.
Is that the two main planks actually just disappeared as if they'd never been said?
But that's also what sticks in my crawl is what I remember vividly from the Oprah interview Harry talking about how he had been, his father and his brother were trapped in this institution and now he was free.
And I'm looking at this, not a royal tour, and thinking, this is exactly what you said you didn't want to be a part of.
And here's what's happening.
Well, it's like them using the kids in their social media posts, right?
On the one hand, they just want absolute privacy for their children.
On the other, they've started using them more and more in social media posts.
Why?
Because she's going to be moving into the mummy influencer space, I would imagine.
All right, you're chomping with a bit here.
I feel very frustrated because you three are far more out there and present than I am as royalists, people who really believe in Britain's constitutional monarchy.
And I sort of apologetically say that.
Well, you find me quite indifferent and quite sort of like a live and let live, but I'll call it when I see it.
Kate's Privacy Regrets00:15:29
Okay, well, certainly I'm going to.
Place Kay and Piers in that royalist category.
And I always go slightly apologise to my lefty friends.
You know, I am actually a monarchist.
I do believe in them.
And I think you two are so blinded by love for this monarchy in your very narrow vision of it.
And I speak more to Piers here that you don't recognise the real power of monarchy when it acts as a national and an international glue, something beyond the impunity of revolting strongmen like Trump and the crazy woke world that talks us into very narrow, alienating corners.
And actually, If the king could offer a redemptive branch forgiveness, which you're incapable of, I mean, the fact you go through the litany of Harry's crimes, literally like he was a you've got a list.
No, you can't forgive, Pete.
I've actually resolved you're billions.
Every feud I've ever had, I've resolved.
But you are still, I think you're up at night stroking your beard.
No, I've actually said recently, I haven't mentioned them for ages.
I don't really talk about them.
But I haven't I haven't posted about them.
I'm not interested.
They're boring.
Have you had therapy about this?
Yeah, I've been working on my Sussex stuff from Sussex, where I've actually been.
As opposed to the Duke and Duchess of London.
He needs to have a go.
But, Tessler, in fairness, your favourite Harry is not bad with a grudge either.
But Harry's trying to work it through.
He's trying to flush out people like Piers.
He talks about it openly.
He went and did some mansplaining in Australia.
He's not a perfect vessel.
You know, I don't have a great pin-up kind of thing going on for Harry like you do for the King and for William and Kate.
They're all flawed.
They're all human beings.
But you must all see, if Harry could come over and have a lovely big hug with Daddy.
Yeah.
And if William.
Well, there's a problem.
It's because Daddy doesn't trust him.
That's why.
But that's King.
Every time Daddy gives him a little hug, he has to read about it or hear about it later on.
Let's bring in Grant Harold, a former butler, of course, to the then Prince Charles, now King Charles.
Grant, welcome to Uncensored.
So, look, competing views here, obviously.
Tessa flying the flag very strongly.
This is a great thing to have Meghan and Harry out there as the rival royal family.
Everyone wins in this.
I mean, the monarchy is enhanced, the royal family are enhanced.
Nobody really agrees with this apart from Tessa.
But what is your view from within?
I mean, How damaging potentially is it to have these two on a global stage doing these kind of tours?
Hello, Piazzolla ladies.
Basically, I think it's very damaging.
I mean, Katie made a really good point that watching the footage, as we all have, it looks just like a royal tour.
I mean, it is literally watching a royal tour.
And all that's been through my head is, one, have they run this past the palace?
Has he discussed this with his father, which I doubt it.
I doubt he's run it past the palace.
And it's damaging because it's having these, with the greatest respect, having them do their own thing, which they're entitled to do.
Of course, they're entitled to do this.
But there is the risk that anything they do that, Go wrong will reflect on the monarchy.
I mean, Piers, we are told, as even staff members, that when you join the Royal Household, from that day onwards, for the rest of your life, basically, everything you say and do, even when you've left, reflects on the Royal Family.
And I think from experience, that's true.
So, as members of the Royal Family, it's the same for them.
They've left the Royal Family, they will go off to do something different, they've gone back into this Royal way of life, if you like, and watching it, it is like watching a Royal tour.
So, and the other thing that's changed is that they're making money.
I think I'm right in saying this from what I'm reading.
They've been making money off this, obviously, from the tickets.
And I saw something today about Meghan's now got something going on with selling clothes or celebrity look alike clothes or something that she wore the other day.
And I'm assuming this is money that's going back into their pockets, not into a charity, which is what the king, just for anyone says, the king, of course, sometimes gets money for different things, but that goes straight back in to his charities.
So I'm curious to know if that's what they're doing with the money that they're making.
Just a quick question here.
Surely it's better that they overtly, openly say, we're going to Australia, partly it's philanthropic, and partly it's For personal business reasons, than to be trying to sort of suck money off weirdos in America like the House of York did for years behind our backs.
Little did we know that Fergie and Andrew were silently detonating the royal brand because they were so desperate for more cash.
Surely what Harry and Meghan are doing, outside the royal family, they're free to behave as they want to behave.
Is there anything they could do where you would even raise a disapproving tut?
Retrospectively, I think that Harry.
Probably regrets, I'm sure he regrets actually, because he no longer demands an apology.
He regrets the way in which he levelled at his family.
The fact he clearly now wants back in, he misses Palestinian, he intonates that he's keen for some kind of reunion.
Because you know who he reminds me of?
He reminds me of Brooklyn Beckham.
Right, uh, in my impression of both of them, I have three sons.
Is if one of my sons pulled one of these stunts where they go off and they love the brand and they make tons of money and get social media acclaim and all of it out of my name, but then they simultaneously trash me and trash my family, I would be absolutely spitting blood about it.
And I see the same kind of spoiled sense of entitlement from both of them, and I think it's very sad for all the families.
I don't I think that's obvious to everybody.
But, Joe, when it comes to how this moves forward, Charles goes to the United States.
Big, big deal this trip.
But what happens to the royal family five, ten years down?
The thing that worries me a bit is that young people, my kids, aren't that interested.
They're just not that interested.
My mother, absolutely all over every tiny detail.
But the younger generation are not that engaged.
I do worry about.
Where it goes from here.
And I can see why people are saying that this is a make or break trip.
Because, you know, coming from Australia, coming from the colonies, as a young person, I was indifferent about the royal family.
And it's only in my latter years that I've come to understand and really respect the soft power that the monarchy can bring.
And particularly in inflammatory times like we have now, we're really hoping that King Charles will sort of like have an elegant way of keeping that special relationship going.
Like his mother did.
Exactly.
A very gentle hand on Matilda.
The Queen only made four public statements, right?
I mean, about anything to do with news events.
Well, indeed.
And, you know, one of those was in sort of like the Annus Horribilis of 1992.
It was a very dark year for the royals.
And they kind of had to make some concessions.
She started sort of like talking about paying tax and all those things.
I feel like this might be another watershed moment where something has to happen where they show a bit more overt contrition.
And I think the more we go down that route, the more I worry.
They lose their soft power.
We become, I was in Oslo last year, a beautiful place, walking around the palace.
Apparently, they used to have an English queen.
But, They're not as globally renowned, they're not as globally revered and as sort of like mythological as the British royal family.
And I worry that we'll lose that and with it all the diplomacy power.
Well, yeah, so this brings me to William and Kate, right, who are clearly the biggest stars of the royal family.
That's what all the polls show.
They're the next king and queen of this country.
Enormous pressure, isn't there, Katie, on this suit?
Yes, of course.
And she's still recovering from cancer.
We don't know if she's really completely out of the woods with that.
Well, you're not out of the woods.
For a while.
As I very well know.
And I think she's doing a remarkable job.
But I just think if I was William and Catherine watching this tour, I mean, I would be furious because I would think, how can you?
This was the whole point of the Sandringham Summit.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
It's one or the other.
Well, as the Queen famously said, you're either in or out.
You're in or out.
Come on, sorry, Tessa.
One minute.
One minute.
They have had their opportunity to make their money, millions through Netflix, through Spare Through, and everything else.
If they had gone, I don't know, actually gone to Lesotho and done something to reprise that charity or the work they were doing.
If it was purely philanthropic, I wouldn't have an issue with it.
I think what they're doing is cheap.
I think what they're doing is threatening and potentially overshadows the royals because what it leads to is that discourse across the Atlantic, which is happening now.
Well, why do you need a royal family?
If they're going to be doing this sort of thing, why do you need them?
And then you've got William and Catherine desperately trying to ensure that there is longevity through William, through George.
I mean, William.
Will not have the monarchy die out, but he has a battle to fight because there is apathy, and apathy is dangerous for him.
Apathy is the absolute number one enemy of the royal family.
Let me bring Danica back in here.
How excited would Australia be about a visit from William and Kate now?
Oh, Australia would love a visit from William and Kate.
Look, because William and Kate remind us of the late Queen.
Australia was very, very fond of Queen Elizabeth II.
We loved her visits as well as we love the royal family.
They would be treated with so much respect if they came down under, and we'd love to see them.
But I just want to go to Tessa's point earlier, Tessa.
You said that, you know, maybe Harry regrets this.
I don't think Harry regrets this at all because today he went to a fatherhood function.
It was a QA function, right?
And he said, Quote, he had to cleanse himself from his past.
He then went on to say that he couldn't connect with Meghan while she was pregnant with Archie.
And then he went on to talk about his ongoing therapy sessions.
This is a guy who, every time he is given a microphone, he is obsessed with talking about himself.
He's obsessed with his woe is me sob stories.
To me, this is not a man who has regrets about leaving the family.
Do you know what?
He never looks happy to me.
This is a guy that left the Country and the royal family and royal duty and everything else because he wanted to be happy.
And she looks absolutely joyful, right?
She's living there, making her jam in a California mansion, flouncing around the world as a pseudo princess.
Great.
This is happy days where someone used to be the suitcase girl on deal or no deal.
But for him, for him, when do you see him smile?
He looks so miserable.
He is the Brooklyn Beckham of the scenario.
They just seem miserable, the better of them.
He doesn't smile, and he doesn't smile.
And I will say this he's good when he talks about the Invictus Games.
And that's what he was doing today.
He was talking about that.
And I think, fantastic.
That is a very great charity.
But you look over at Megan, and she's the complete opposite.
She's beaming at the moment because, you know, to the point that was made earlier, she's profiting off the clothing she's wearing.
She's got a $1,200 dress on.
She's got a Christian Dior pumps on.
She's got the Cartier bracelets, the Tiffany bracelet.
She's put it all onto her online AI platform.
So she's going to these women's homeless shelters wearing these outfits and profiting of it.
So you can see where the disparity is.
I would say her biggest problem.
From the start, has just been the tone deafness, just not really getting it.
But I don't understand why you all have such an issue with this.
They are not recipients of the sovereign grant.
Maybe Australia had to wheel out a couple of sleepy old policemen and women.
Big deal, guys.
Look at the exposure you're getting.
The world's cameras are running around down under, placing you here, there, and everywhere.
You're all profiting off Harry and Meghan.
Yes.
Tessa, Tessa, how are Harry and Meghan representing this country right now?
Okay, we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis and a fuel crisis here right now.
And we are supposed to fork out money for these two on a quasi royal tour when they are no longer working royals.
Why should we be paying for their security and their policing?
It's not up to us to be paying for that.
If they want to come here, they can do whatever the heck they want.
Let me put it like this.
You guys are all over.
For those old school people who still watch telly and read newspapers, and indeed those who go online, you guys are plastered all over the place.
Sunny Australia, Melbourne, dressed in its finest, looking great.
And we're clocking in, checking out what's going on in Sydney because there's a couple called Harry and Meghan down under.
You're winning, they're winning, and these guys are very sour because Britain is losing out.
And I'm sour because I wish that the king could just go, look, Harry, here's a love hug.
We forgive, we forget.
Can't we just go?
You know what?
I would actually be really happy for him to hug you.
I don't think it would bring him any pleasure or joy.
Harry, hug me.
I'm happy to take any hugs.
It'd just be a really, really cringe making moment for everybody to observe.
Let me bring Grant back in.
Grant.
This whole issue of whether Charles can forgive, can forget about what Harry's done to the family, he's barely seen him now in the last few years.
How do you feel that's going to reconcile?
You know Charles as well as anybody.
How does this play out?
And Piers, you also, I think, know what he's like as a character.
And he's a very kind individual.
And he is forgiven, absolutely forgiven.
And I can't remember who made the comment earlier on, but one of you made the comment about how one will be more the one that will be wanting to do the cut, you know, want to kind of end things and move on.
The king, the kind of nature and the way he is, he will want to fix it.
And he will, so many times, he'll give chances to fix it.
And I think this is what's difficult because Harry is, can I say, with the greatest respect, is a bit of a loose cannon.
And that is what all the advisors will be saying to the king, I can guarantee it.
But the king, being the nature he is, will want to forgive him and will want to try to make it work.
You know, that's what he'll want probably more than anything.
But what point, you know, how long can he do this for?
And that's where I feel sorry for him as well, because, you know, every time you keep giving him another chance, and you must be sitting here thinking, am I going to get stabbed in the back again?
Am I going to regret this?
But yet he keeps doing it.
Where William, being a bit more, I suppose, a bit more forthright, and he's probably saying, you know, dad, you have to move on from this, you have to end it.
So the king's caught in the middle of this, and it's really difficult with everything else.
Going on in his life.
You know, it's really difficult.
So I do feel for him.
And I think, you know, I think the point will come when he will stop.
He will listen to the advisors or listen to Oyman and stop.
But I think at the moment, just now, I think he is still trying to see if he can fix it with Harry.
Yeah, we'll see.
I mean, God, I would find it almost impossible, I have to say.
But if I'd been branded a callous racist by one of my kids with no evidence, I think that would be a bit of a deal breaker.
A bit of an off the will moment, as I've told them.
OK, we have a little announcement to make at the end of this, which is that for any viewers watching this who are enthralled by the brilliance of at least some members of our panel today, we are announcing an offshoot of the Uncensor brand.
It's going to be called Royals Uncensored with our two wonderful hosts here, Katie and Joe.
And Grant is going to be a regular as well on Royals Uncensored.
It's going to be more of what you've just seen.
It's going to be debate, revelation, intrigue, skullduggery.
I'm sure we'll have Danica as well joining us from time to time.
And lots of gossip.
And lots of gossip.
And we may even have Tessa back as a kind of devil incarnate to defend the indefensible.
Because I always like having Tessa, even when she calls me Neanderthal.
You've never actually had me, just to be really clear here.
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Sorry.
Thank you.
That is true.
But it's going to be called Royals Uncensored.
There'll be a whole new channel.
There'll be a lot of appearances also on my channel as well.
It's part of the way we are rolling out and developing the Uncensored brand around the world.
I think it's going to be great.
I think you guys are going to be great.
And will you come and see us sometimes?
Of course.
Very cool.
We won't be able to keep him away.
I love the Royals.
I make no pretense about it.
My big issue with the whole Hero Mega thing is I came from a family where my mum camped on the Mau.
By Bucky and Palace for both Fergie and Andrew's wedding and for Charles and Diana's.
You know, we used to have royal street parties in our village.
I can remember them now for the Silver Jubilee and all the rest of it.
And it's been a big thing, you know.
And I think that it's tragic to see the damage that's been done.
A lot of it self inflicted, a lot of it from people who've left and then want to keep whacking them.
It's just, I want to save it.
I want the royal family to survive and thrive.
Yeah.
It is at a moment in crisis, though.
And I think that is something Joe and I are really going to explore.
I mean, I've done this for nearly 20 years now.
Never ever have I been at a point where it feels so precarious.
It feels vulnerable and it's, well, we've got a ringside seat, I think, to history being a part of it.
100%.
And I think you guys, it's going to be a fantastic channel.
It'll start, when's the launch?
30th of April.
30th of April.
I will actually be in New York City that day because the day before you'll have Charles and Kibit are coming to New York actually.
They're going to go to the 9 11 Memorial and do some other things.
They're going to Harlem, I think, I read today.
It's going to be a great trip.
Everybody needs in the royal family.
There'll be no paid for ticketed events either.
Access is free.
Perfect.
Well, good luck to both of you.
It's going to be great.
Tessa, lovely to see you, he says, lying through his back teeth.
Danica, thank you very much for joining us from Sky News Australia.
Of course, used to work there as well.
Love all the people over there.
And thank you to Grant as well.
Look forward to seeing you regularly on the Royals Uncensored as well, which obviously now goes along with History Uncensored.
The two will sometimes go hand in hand.
But thank you all very much indeed.
I appreciate it.
Finally, tonight, I'm glad to be joined by the actor and star of his latest film, Preschool, Josh DeMel.
Josh, welcome to our Sensing.
Piers, nice to meet you finally.
Do you have a burning view about the royal family, Josh?
Not really, no.
I mean, they're never without some exciting stuff going on, but yeah, I've never really followed it too closely.
I mean, you're celebrating the 250th anniversary of winning independence from We Brits.
I don't celebrate it with quite such glee.
I don't quite like the idea.
Of ruling over you for hundreds more years with a British monarch telling you all what to do.
What do you feel about that anniversary?
I'm excited about it.
I mean, I think it's a huge deal.
You know, I'm a proud American.
I love that we're celebrating it like we are.
I'm actually going to go back to North Dakota for the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Museum, which is on the 4th of July, which I'm excited to celebrate.
Yeah.
What do you feel about the state of America right now?
To the rest of the world, it feels febrile.
It feels very divided.
It feels quite toxic in many ways.
What do you feel about it?
You know, I got a lot of feelings about it, if I'm being honest.
It stresses me out quite a bit because, you know, we are very divided.
I think more than anything, there's a hate problem in this country.
I feel like people have become really okay with hate.
And what I've realized is that when you're so full of that, you start to become the thing that you despise.
And I've recognized a lot of behavior and people that, I don't believe they would otherwise behave like that if they weren't filled with so much of that.
So I just feel, you know, for me personally, I found myself starting to feel some of that stuff.
So I really kind of left it all alone and started going to church more often, believe it or not.
Really?
I started trying to rise above it a bit and just get back to church and just pray and meditate and sort of think about things that are above all the noise.
Are you a fan of President Trump?
I'm not getting into all that with you, Piers.
I can't do that.
Listen, A friend of mine showed up with a t shirt that said, Nobody cares what actors think.
And I happen to buy that notion.
I don't think that people don't care what I think.
I'm here to make cool TV shows, cool movies.
I'm not trying to divide my audience.
I'm just trying to be of service to people who want to be entertained.
And it's not my job to be involved in politics.
Gloriously refreshing, Josh.
I have to say, to hear someone from Hollywood say that because so many have, and I say this with great respect, I know lots of people in Hollywood have a lot of time for lots of them, but some have a massively inflated sense of their own importance when it comes to talking of matters in the news, politics, whatever.
Here's the thing, Piers.
I mean, just because you have a platform doesn't mean you get to preach down to people.
Yeah.
You know, so I try to stay out of that as much as I can because, listen, I respect the other side's views.
Whether or not they respect mine is not my business, but I'm certainly not going to go piss off the other half of my audience because I believe a certain type of way.
Not just because out of responsibility to the people who help me make these movies and TV shows, financiers, the studios, they expect me to go out and sell, make a great product and then go sell it and not piss off half my audience.
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And that's the way I look at it.
You've just been filming this film, Preschool, in London.
It's about an American expat living in London fighting over a prestigious preschool.
Did you come around to my way of thinking that London is the greatest city in the world?
I love London.
I've always loved London.
It's one of my favorite cities in the world.
Yes, and we shot a movie called Preschool there that I directed.
It was early last year about two dads trying to fight, fighting to get their kids into this last spot in this preschool.
And, you know, I just thought it was one of those movies that I couldn't believe hadn't been made because it's so ripe with opportunity and comedy and, you know, relatability in a lot of ways.
So we had a lot of fun making that movie.
As you know, there's a very deep pool of talent in the UK.
And so I got very lucky with some really, really talented cast and crew.
When Americans come over, they always ask me, what should we do?
Give me some advice.
And actually, I had one yesterday ask me, I said, you know what?
The weather's nice.
Just start walking from like the start of Hyde Park and walk through the parks, walk through past the Serpentine Lake, walk on to Kensington Gardens, Kensington Palace, the Round Pond, Holland Park, then divert up, go up to Notting Hill, go down Portobello Market.
It's the simple things actually that I sell about London is that we have these beautiful parks and beautiful lakes and beautiful walkways.
It's that kind of stuff that for me, when I lived in America, Pretty much full time for a few years when I was at CNN.
It was that stuff I missed most, funny enough.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that, you know, anytime you can connect with nature like that, even in London, you know, big cities need these spaces too.
This is part of the reason why I moved out to North Dakota and spent a lot of time at our cabin in Minnesota because it was a way for me to sort of disconnect from the world and just reconnect with nature.
And there's a sense of freedom and independence out there that you just can't get anywhere else.
And did you get into our football, soccer as you call it?
Because the reason I'm asking is I've got to go right now and watch my team, Arsenal, play in a massive game at the Emirates Stadium tonight.
Did you become an Arsenal fan while you were here, Josh?
I actually did, believe it or not.
I took my son to an Arsenal game.
They played West Ham.
They lost, unfortunately.
But yeah, we got to, you know, I'd never been to a Premier League game before.
So that was huge.
You got to really see what it is that they love so much about that sport.
So my son's a huge soccer fan, football fan.
And so, yeah, we got to see Arsenal.
Well, it's a massive game tonight.
It's the quarterfinal of the Champions League.
We're also top of the Premier League.
We have a massive game on Sunday against Manchester City.
We could end up winning the two most coveted prizes in world football, or it could all go horribly wrong.
That is football.
Well, I'm rooting for you, Pierce.
Well, thank you, Josh.
And I'm rooting for you with your movie, Preschool.
Best of luck with it.
Thanks for joining me.
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