'What If Fuentes Stormed a Synagogue!?' Benny Johnson vs Ethan Klein On Don Lemon, Epstein & ICE
Many gleeful leftists are using ‘whataboutery’ to defend the prosecution of Don Lemon. What about the conservative journalists who were arrested for filming on January 6? What about the protesters who were convicted for praying at an abortion clinic? What about the lawfare against President Trump? However, two wrongs don’t make a right, not least because it will inevitably backfire. America is getting trapped in a vicious circle, started by Biden, in which presidents take four-year turns in executing revenge and pardoning their mates because the other guy did it first. And it won’t end well. Piers Morgan is joined by The Benny Show host Benny Johnson, H3 podcast host Ethan Klien, Pushing The Limits host Brian Shapiro and former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich. He then speaks to Glenn Beck, CEO of Blaze Media, for his take. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Over-Criminalizing Fundamental Freedoms00:02:05
We're here.
We're here to worship Jesus.
Do you think Jesus would be understanding?
Christians are treated differently in this country.
I think you'd be having a very different conversation if Nif Fuentes stormed into a synagogue.
My advice to you is stop being a Donald Trump cock.
This is the over-criminalization of fundamental freedoms in America.
You were free up to 14 years for attempting to sell a Senate seat.
Read the case.
Were you in prison?
Were you found guilty of corruption?
I want to say fuck ICE.
It's not the Grammys where you all queue up to say fuck ICE.
What did Dan Bongino do about it?
What did Cash Mattel do about it?
Well, they say that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
There's nothing to see here.
That evil son of a bitch should be in prison right now.
Powerful people.
They can get away with anything.
Found out Saturday that I'm actually in the files.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
It's something we learn at the age of five, but many recent controversies engulfing the Trump administration have been caused in part by repeating the mistakes which helped them to get elected.
There's an overuse George Orwell line from 1984, which is again turning up everywhere.
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, it says.
It was their final, most essential command.
I used to hear MAGA pundits saying it about Joe Biden's team, as they called him a superfit mensa genius with 100 years to live.
Now it's all over liberal media because of the Epstein files and because of a disastrous effort to smear Alex Pretty and Renee Goode.
It was wrong for Biden to claim his opponents were all dangerous domestic terrorists.
It's now wrong to make the same claim about everyone protesting against ICE.
And the same goes for the many people using gleeful what a bouttery to defend the prosecution of Don Lemon.
What about the conservative journalists who were arrested for filming on January the 6th?
What about the protesters who were convicted for praying at an abortion clinic?
What about the lawfare against President Trump?
Yes, that was wrong.
That doesn't make it right to do it all again, not least because it will, as it did before, inevitably backfire.
Protesting vs Reporting on Protests00:15:17
America's getting trapped in a vicious circle started by Biden, in which presidents take four-year turns in executing revenge and pardoning their mates because the other guy did it first.
This won't end well.
There's a simple way to break the cycle, and we also learn that when we're five years old.
It's remembering the difference between right and wrong.
Well, joining me to discuss all of this is Brian Shapiro, host of Pushing the Limits, the former Illinois governor, Rod Bogojevich, the host of the A3 podcast, Ethan Klein, and the host of the Benny Show, Benny Johnson.
Welcome to all of you.
Okay, Benny, welcome back to Uncensored, and thank you for your good wishes about my little encounter with a step that led to quite unbelievable amount of damage to my hip.
But that has all been on the road to recovery.
So, wait a second.
I did have a question for you.
You didn't answer this.
You didn't answer this when I texted you.
Are you experiencing that NHS, that quality NHS service back in the UK?
Or are you stateside in private care?
I know.
I was here, but I have private health insurance, which I made the most of.
I would say about the NHS that when it's good, it's great.
And if you, Benny Johnson, come to London and you fall like I did and you break your femur and you need a new hip, you know what you won't get?
You'll get great treatment and you won't get somebody hovering over you demanding thousands of dollars.
That's the beauty of the NHS.
You may not like it, but trust me, in that moment, you'll love it.
But let's still have a debate every minute.
We're happy that you're on the mend.
I was very sad to hear about that.
Very thankful that you're okay.
Thank you.
I appreciate the message.
Okay, look, Don Lemon, not a great friend of either of ours, can be very annoying, clearly lapping this up now like a dairy farmer milking the udder of a very large set of cows, as you can't blame him.
And it'll end up making him more famous, richer, and everything else.
So completely cataclysmic own goal, I would argue, by the Trump administration.
However.
You know, I've talked to a number of lawyers here, and it's a complex issue, actually, because Lemon's charged with violating an 1871 law originally designed to combat the Ku Klux Klan by conspiring to deprive others of their civil rights and violating the FACE Act by obstructing access to a house of worship.
Now, the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 94 is a law signed by the former President Bill Clinton that makes it a federal claim, a crime to physically obstruct entry to clinics offering reproductive health services.
But it's now been adapted for this.
So my question for you, Benny, is we've all watched the footage.
We've all seen what happened.
Don was broadcasting it.
To me, there is a qualitative difference between what the protesters were doing, which almost certainly did break the law, and what Don Lemon was doing, which was reporting on what they were doing.
And if we don't make that distinction, then whether you're a journalist who skews left or right or down the middle, then the precedent this would set going forward is going to be horrific.
So why should we be gleeful, as many on the conservative right are, about the prosecution of Don Lemon?
So I want to take this a couple different ways here, Piers.
I mean, number one, I think you'd be having a very different conversation if Nick Fuentes stormed into a synagogue, wouldn't you?
And started harassing the rabbi.
Wouldn't you be having a different conversation if Alex Jones stormed a mosque?
Sure, but that's right.
Well, no, I would apply what I'm saying.
You'd be having a totalistic question.
You'd be saying this is terrible.
Like, how dare you?
I'm saying that Christians are treated differently in this country.
And that Don would have been aware of that.
That's a very good question.
I would say this.
Benny, on that point, I would say also that we're wrong.
I just make my point.
I've just been talking for like 10 seconds.
Don Lemon go in there and harass the finish with that.
But he did.
I mean, look, okay, so if you read the, did you read the federal filing?
Did you read the grand jury indictment?
I watched the video.
Right.
And they used the video.
They watched the video in the grand jury indictment.
They used his own video as the evidence against him, along with a number of other, and along with all of the evidence that was provided by the churchgoers.
I'm saying that all of the above is wrong and that you can't do that, that these are places of worship.
These are also private property.
And that Don Lemon was part of a conspiracy to do this because Don Lennon was working with the organizers.
He was delivering coffee to them.
He was working with the actual individuals who were planning this.
He said so on his live stream.
And then he went up to the front of the pulpit and started harassing the pastor there at the front of the pulpit.
Now, what was also happening, it was also, it's on video.
So what was also happening here was that little children were being wrongfully imprisoned.
Do you know this?
Like little children were being wrongfully imprisoned.
If you read the indictment, the children were being kept in their Sunday schools by the protesters, harassed, spit on, attacked.
They weren't able to get to their parents.
And Don Lemon says in the video, and thank you for mentioning this, Ethan, that it's on video.
Don Lemon says in the video, these children look traumatized.
Well, actually, that's the point.
This is an exact quote from his live stream.
And so if you think that that's okay to do to like little children in a church or children in a synagogue or children in a mosque, I think it's all wrong.
I think that these places of worship should be off limits for people protesting or attacking them.
It's not his job to lie.
Yeah, that's not what happened.
That's what I'm saying.
Okay, hang on, hang on.
Don't talk at once.
Don't all talk at once.
Let me go to Brian next.
Brian, I do think Benny raised a good point.
That's why I tried to answer his question in real time, but it was aimed at everybody, which is if that had been Alex Jones, who does a version of what Don Lemon does, but to the right, if he had gone into a mosque, for example, and he'd gone in with a group of protesters who then interrupted the worship and traumatized young Muslim kids, right?
Or whatever, an exact similar situation, but a mosque and it's Alex Jones.
Can you say with all honesty, you would be out here defending Alex Jones?
Well, first of all, for full disclosure, I'm friends with Don Lemon.
And to answer your question, Piers, if Alex Jones wasn't protesting, because Don Lemon wasn't protesting, Benny Johnson is lying when he says that Don Lemon harassed the pastor.
If Alex Jones wasn't harassing anybody and didn't disturb anybody, I would be saying the same thing I'm about to say right now.
Don Lemon was not protesting.
He wasn't breaking the law.
Maybe you could cite him for maybe trespassing.
But the fact of the matter here is that this is not going to hold up in court.
This is a charade.
This is another example of the Donald Trump administration that is weaponizing the DOJ.
And yes, I do think the color of his skin, certainly his politics and his sexuality have something to do with this.
But you see, people like Benny Johnson, okay, who I do believe is a right-wing shill for Donald Trump, they're the first people after January 6th that called it a tourist visit.
They patriots and hostages if you beat cops.
But oh my God, Don Lemon didn't storm a church, by the way.
He walked into the church, he took out his cell phone, and he started recording.
But to Benny, people like Benny, this is the worst thing in the world.
Put him in jail.
But yet, when it comes to January 6th, if you beat cops, they're hostages and patriots.
Benny, my advice to you is stop being a Donald Trump cock and tell the truth and be honest for once in your life.
I know you make a lot of money.
What about screaming every single day?
You're lying.
So wait a second.
What about Steve Baker?
So Steve Baker is a journalist for the Blaze.
He was arrested for covering January 6th.
So Steve Baker, was he just a journalist?
Should he be freed?
Are you in favor of Steve Baker?
Are you advocating for Steve Baker?
You see what Benny just did?
The guy, his messiah, who he supports Donald Trump, called those who beat cops with their own batons.
Some of these cops have been.
I've been asking to answer his question, though, Brian.
Answer his question about Steve Baker.
See, Steve Baker was sent to jail.
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Yes, I believe that some of those like Baker, and I'm on the record saying this, Benny, were over-prosecuted.
Absolutely.
The people that I was concerned about on January 6th were those violent criminals.
Don Lemon's never been arrested for a crime in his life.
Don Lemon has never been charged with a crime in his life.
He took out his cell phone.
He recorded.
He didn't storm the Capitol.
Moments before, he walked into the church and he followed these people.
He wasn't necessarily, quote, working with them.
It's all on the live stream.
And by the way, the one flaw.
Okay, but Brian, Brian.
Brian, the one flaw, I think, in that defense, and I broadly agree with you about this.
I don't think he should be prosecuted.
But he does, where I think he's a bit vulnerable, he does in his own live stream, repeatedly use the word we.
We are going to go in.
Right.
Now, if you're trying to paint a picture as Benny did earlier, of a conspiracy where Don is not just a journalist reporting, but is actually an active participant in the protest group that goes in.
Using the phrase we, we are going to go in here, I think is going to be problematic for it because it implies that he is part of the protest group.
But Pierce, I hear what you're saying, okay?
But here's what they're going to have to prove in court.
I'm talking about the prosecutors.
Was he actively protesting?
Was he disturbing a church service in one way or another?
And in my personal opinion, the answer is no.
All he did, I repeat, is take out his cell phone and started to record, as any journalist would do.
And then he conducted a few interviews.
Now, at worst case scenario, you might be able to get him on a trespassing charge.
But Pierce, let's be honest here.
And I think for the most part, we agree on this.
This is nonsense.
It's because who Don Lemon is, this is exactly what's going on here.
I find it interesting.
They don't want a full investigation, people like Benny, when it comes to Jonathan Ross, when you shoot an innocent 37-year-old woman in the face.
Nothing to see here, but let's have a full-on investigation for a bunch of protesters.
Well, the worst thing.
I don't.
All right.
Let me bring in Rod because the worst thing, Rod, for me about this is if you could have scripted the one thing Don Lemon would have loved most to happen to him in the last few days, it would be to be arrested for something like this by the Trump administration, turned into an instant martyr to the extent that he goes to the Clive Davis pre-Grammys party and they give him a standing ovation, right?
He got a bigger cheer than some of the big superstars.
This is Don Lemon's idea of a dream come true.
So, you know, if anyone thinks this is going to either silence or neuter Don Lemon or indeed deter other people like Don Lemon from doing the same, I do think, by the way, Brian, I don't want you to respond to this, but the idea that he's being targeted because he's black or gay, I think is ridiculous.
He's annoying, whatever his skin color and sexuality, but he's loving his moment because it has played right into his hands.
He's going to get a load more clicks, a load more money.
He's a lot more famous.
So, Rod, this doesn't work for me on any level.
You know, making Don Lemon the most famous martyr in American journalism and doing it in a way that looks to most people like overreach.
How does that make a win for Trump?
Well, you know, Piers, I'm super sensitive when it comes to people who are getting arrested.
I spent 2,896 days suffering in place in prison for political things, not crimes for conversations and telephones that were started by Obama.
Those weren't crimes.
That was free speech.
What was that for?
So when I see what's happening to Don Lemon and what I see what hope would happen to most of the people on January the 6th, this is the overcriminalization of fundamental freedoms in America.
I don't like Don Lemon.
I think he's not even remotely an objective journalist.
And I think, you know, what you're saying about him being martyred now in the political left is very true.
He was not there to report honestly about what he was seeing.
He was there propagandizing.
But in a free society, we all have a right to freely propagandize.
And it's up to the American people to decide whether or not you believe us or not.
So, I think just as a matter of what was right or wrong, as your guest, Mr. Shapiro, says, unless he was protesting or disturbing someone and there was mob action or something involved in his time being there, if he was just reporting as a biased left-wing reporter, I don't see that being criminal.
And from a practical point of view, yes, I agree.
They've murdered him.
Unfortunately, they elevated him.
It was a bad tactical move as well.
And I will say this: I think our country is in deep trouble because of the weaponization that's going on.
Nobody has been more weaponized than Donald Trump by Democratic prosecutors in New York and in Georgia and Jack Smith for non-crimes.
It's a mistake, I think, for our country.
If now the Trump people try to make up for that by being vengeful, I don't think they are.
I think in this particular case, it was just a bad move by whoever the prosecutor was.
But I do think it's important moving forward.
I think President Trump is the type of leader who understands that we better do something about weaponization, lawfare, and protect our freedoms in America.
Because, and I say this about my own party, no one does weaponization or lawfare more so or better than the Democratic Party.
We don't want you, Trump.
Right.
Ethan, Ethan, you'd be making you as a Democrat.
And the reason for that is that I'm not in trouble.
You're the Democratic Party politician and modern American responsibility.
To sell a Senate seat, you're caught on wireless.
By the way, that charge was reversed by the opponents.
You should be allowed to starbucks drinking.
So Congress says, Conversations started by the city.
I mean, why isn't he leaving, Rod?
Double Standards in Political Charges00:15:17
Respectfully, you should get your facts right, my friend.
Was a free fund and no quit pro quo.
Read the case.
Were you in prison?
Were you found guilty of corruption?
I was wrongfully convicted for non-crimes by the use of jury instructions that were not crimes and sent to prison for 14 years, never took a penny because I fought back.
And I fought back against this kind of weapon.
You tried to take a penny.
If you, in this particular case, you said, quote, this seat is golden about the seat you are attempting to sell.
No, I said this seat is effing to make a political deal because Obama asked to make a political deal.
Get your facts right.
And by the way, 98% of those FBI tapes are still.
You got pardoned by Trump.
You're out here glazing him up.
We know the deal.
But the truth is, don't sit here and act like you have any legitimate clout or you have no legitimate in this world.
You're a criminal.
And you use the American democracy like a piggyback.
Like, again, you should, the only microphone you should be near is Starbucks Order.
You know, let me say this.
I said, I would never give in to those weaponized prosecutors.
What they did to me at the AAA level to a Democrat governor, the same kind of people did that same thing to President Trump at the major league level.
And it's wrong if you do it to me.
It's wrong if you do it to Trump.
You're saying it's a good thing.
It's wrong if you do it to Don Lemon.
And it's wrong if you do it to Don Lemon.
And the key to a democracy is an informed electorate.
You need to get your facts right, my friend, and get yourself informed.
I need to get your facts right.
I know my facts.
Hold on.
The judge said jail.
The judge and jury said they tried.
Okay.
They tried me twice before you.
All right, you guys.
Go ahead.
No, I think we're drifting.
We are drifting.
We are drifting off.
Respectfully, we're drifting.
We're drifting off topic.
And I'll say, Ethan, let's get back to the topic.
I want to talk about Donald Lemon.
He agrees that Don Lemon shouldn't be arrested.
So I'll say, even this Trump lackey is willing to make that concession, where someone like Benny here, who let's be real, his overlords go beyond Donald Trump.
He's accountable to the Russians who paid him a nice, hefty, beautiful hundreds of thousands from tenant media.
So more than that, again, well, we don't know.
Maybe Benny can tell us how much the DOJ said that I was a victim of Garnett and says, I am victim of a crime in that.
Me, Tim Poole, Dave Rubin, and a number of others.
So, so which is, so who are you smarter than that?
Are you smarter than the Biden DOJ?
I'm not being an overlord, having an overlord lacking.
Are you a traitor?
Are you a traitor or a fool?
Those are the two options.
You know what?
The ad hominem stuff, Ethan, Ethan, Ethan.
It's not at hominim attacks.
That's what happened.
Listen, it's total ad hominem.
They are at hominum attacks.
I'm not attacking your person and I don't want to spend recounting what you're doing.
I don't want to spend with respect to everybody.
I don't want to spend the entire panel to talking about individuals on the panel.
Can we go to Ethan Lemon?
Just give me your Ethan.
Just give me your assessment of what's happened with Don Lemon.
Gladly.
So I agree with the majority on the panel that, I mean, he shouldn't, he did nothing.
He walked in there as a journalist recording.
He said, you guys are very keen to talk about what he said on camera, but you forget this one, Benny.
He said, quote, I'm not part of the group.
I'm a journalist.
Talk about we, we, we, which is like a words game.
It's semantics.
But again, you go back to what he actually said, and it's, quote, I am not a part of the group.
I am a journalist.
So, you know, I think the whole thing is.
I think I had something rather stupid at this point because it's like, it's so obvious that this was just done as a revenge at a spite.
It's political spite.
There's literally no question to it.
And I think Benny would agree.
He's like, yeah, it's spite.
So, Pierce, you had Valentina, if you recall on your show about a month ago, I think we both agree she's despicable.
She's running for office in Texas.
She went into a church.
There's video of this a month ago, and she called the churchgoers pedophiles.
They asked her to leave.
Multiple people asked her to leave.
I'm sure Benny's not talking about this, or he'll say, I don't know anything about that, but she didn't leave right away.
It's all on video.
She stormed a church.
She called people pedophiles.
Not only is she not arrested, but the DOJ is not even investigating this case.
So this is a double standard at a minimum.
Don Lemon didn't break any laws.
He wasn't harassing anybody.
I'm sorry if a few kids were crying and their church service was disturbed.
I really am sorry about that.
But I care a little bit more about Renee Good's family and the fact that her kids are growing up without a mother.
But people like Benny don't want a full investigation into that.
Let's call these people who were murdered domestic terrorists and assassins.
But boy, that guy, Don Lemon, I can't believe he stormed a church and he did a couple interviews.
Benny, give me a break.
I can sit here and be logically consistent in my worldview, which is that you should not storm places of worship.
Period.
I don't want anybody on the left doing it.
I don't want anybody on the right doing it.
I'm saying you shouldn't do it.
Don Lemon has to do it.
I also agree.
I mean, I know this is going to sound crazy, but I also agree with probably everyone on this panel, which is that Don Lemon is a black hole narcissist.
He spent 30 years in cable news.
He's going to use this.
He's going to use this to pull literally the gravity in on himself.
He's going to use this for further popularity.
And so you're going to have to bring the receipts when it comes to prosecuting Don Lemon.
Everyone said this.
This is what happens with high-profile prosecutions.
You have to be able to bring the receipts.
If you actually read the grand jury testimony, which I find this remarkable, by the way, every one of these people on the panels probably tweeted, no one's above the law.
Nobody's above the law.
No one's above the law.
Well, it was a grand jury in Dark Blue, Minnesota that prosecute, that said, Don Lemon deserves to be arrested and indicted.
It was a grand jury that did.
So is somebody who's not The idea that Donald Trump is sitting in his office, Donald Trump sitting in his office, like pointing and saying, Yeah, arrest that man.
That's not how it is.
Benny, this is my friend.
And Benny, what am I saying?
Benny, you just find it amazing that you say, like, little Christian children.
Little Christian children is, I don't care if little, you know, I'm sorry that little Christian children were crying and weeping and sobbing in their church.
Have you talked to the church, pastor?
I've spoken with the pastor of that church, Jonathan Parmel.
So let me let me respond.
Benny just called my friend.
Individuals were terrorizing the little children in the church.
I know they were.
I can't believe that you're sitting there in favor of this.
You can see the photographs of the kids crying in their parents' arms.
What happened here was immoral.
It's despicable.
It is indefensible.
It's utterly indefensible.
Places of worship should not be stormed by anyone.
Period.
I'm okay with those protests.
Let me just clear someone.
30 seconds.
All right, Brian.
Brian, very quick response.
And then I want to change.
Yes.
I want to change topic after Brian's very quick response to that.
First of all, I don't believe you should protest in a church or private property.
I'm not condoning that behavior.
Number one.
Number two, you just called my friend Don Lemon a narcissist.
You are the same guy that is a shill for Donald Trump.
So I don't want to hear somebody like Benny Johnson who supports Donald Trump a lot of time.
I'm just like, again, like he was on Piers' show.
Watch the interview with Piers.
Here's what you like on your show.
Like, it is what it is.
You know, it is what it is.
People have big egos in this profession, and it's fine.
It's fine.
I'm literally saying, I'm saying that you better come correct when you're bringing the receipts and when you're charging this guy.
That's all I'm saying.
Is that like, yes, you're right.
I think everybody on this panel agrees that Don Lemon will then utilize this.
We saw it at the Grammys last night, you know, for more power fame.
And I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got a job back in TV.
He was fired by CNN.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got a job back in TV after this.
That's all.
You have no idea what Don Lemon wants or doesn't want to do, Benny.
You don't know him personally.
Like I do.
I can tell you he is not a narcissist.
The narcissist is the orange turd who you support because you were the Donald Trump knee pads 24/7.
So don't talk about majority of tax.
That's right.
Got it.
More pejorative tax.
I want to talk about journalists, Benny.
I mean, let's start with you, buddy.
No, let's not go down those rules.
How much do they pay you?
We really need to know.
Let's not get into this.
I don't want to get into individual panel members.
Let's try and keep it.
Don Lemon will not be Trump orange.
Don Lemon will not be convicted.
I guarantee you, Don Lemon will not be convicted of these crimes.
He will be exonerated in a corporate jail.
I think you're probably right.
He's going to be fine.
I think you're probably right.
But I think also, Don Lemon, I've been watching his output.
I've been watching Don's output in the last few days, and he's gone full-on Trump derangement madness.
I mean, it's just he's anti-Trump.
He's charging and blinding about.
I mean, Don Lemon's.
By the way, Don Lemon.
Okay, what is man?
He's making a financial play.
Under no illusion, Don's raised on detra now is to be the number one Trump hater in the world media.
That's fine.
But let's not pretend that's not what he's doing.
Hello.
Hi, okay.
Welcome to Spilatrod.
Now, he went on Jen Walsh's podcast afterwards and said he's going after this church because of white supremacy because the parishioners were white.
Are you in favor of that?
You know, this is like a hate crime.
I'll answer that.
Are you in favor of that?
He said it.
There's multiple clips of him saying black hole if you want to talk about hate crimes.
That's a that's a first of all.
That's like a that's a term that's something that exists in the galaxy.
Can I answer?
Because I asked him about this because he's done my show probably five times in the last month.
So he believes there is something in this country called white privilege, Benny.
You have it, and I have it.
He does believe there are some cases in the church or in America where there is white supremacy.
Now, I know you probably believe there isn't anything in the like Tucker Carlson that white privilege doesn't exist in this country and white supremacy doesn't exist.
But the fact of the matter is, Benny, is that it does.
Now, I would like to go back to the black hole comment.
What did you mean by that when you made that statement?
I'm surprised that it's a gay black hole.
Black hole is something that exists in space and time and it absorbs gravity.
And so it's just something that Don Lemon is going to take the gravity of this situation and use it to become more powerful.
That's what I've said.
And I said that the Trump administration has to be very careful in charging this because this is what people do in these kinds of circumstances.
If you're Don Lemon, I'll tell you what he's doing.
Sure.
So, Benny, I'll tell you what Don Lemon won't do.
He won't make billions of dollars in a crypto scandal.
He won't build a ballroom for his own financial gain.
Jared Kushner, one of his friends, won't be taking $2.1 billion from the Saudis.
So if you want about taking power over and having power and taking advantage of it, sure, Don Lemon is going to be more successful because of this.
But do you know why?
Because of the buffoons in the White House that decided to charge this guy.
And I think most of us agree on this panel, it's not going to hold up in a courtroom.
So if you have anybody to blame for this, it's not Don Lemon.
It's the morons like Pam Bondi and Donald Trump that did this to Don Lemon, which will help him more in the long run.
But please don't talk to me and lecture me about power and then taking advantage of that.
When Donald Trump is saying, I think it's amazing what you just admitted here.
And I'm trying to be respectful as you know, as you're rambling.
So you just said that it's okay that Don Lemon attacked this church because they're white.
So first of all, Don Lemon made general terms about the church.
He wasn't specifically talking about an individual.
He wasn't specifically talking about an individual group of people in the church.
He made very generic and general claims, which I agree with him, that white supremacy in this country is a problem, and white privilege in this country is a problem as well.
And if you don't agree with that, that there is something called white privilege, and that, yes, white supremacy is an issue in this country, then you could take the page from Tucker Carlson and have the blinders on and be complicit, Benny.
That's up to you.
I think you think it's probably worth bearing in mind that it's barely worth bearing in mind at this stage that Don is said yes to a rather wealthy, privileged, uh, elitist white man, isn't he?
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't deny that.
That's fine, but uh, that's not the point that Don Lemon was trying to make.
I'm just saying, I understand, but he is white and privileged.
Uh, let's change the subject.
I want to move on to the Epstein scandal.
Uh, Rod, I want to bring you in here.
The Epstein scandal is raging ever bigger, but accountability is still really not moving, particularly in America.
So, in the UK, the human being formerly known as Prince Andrew, now Andrew Manbatten Windsor, he's been brought down, he's been finished.
Lord Mandelson is probably very soon not going to be a lord and may well be facing a police investigation as he's finished.
So, a lot of British people who've been named in these files are being brought to book and dealt with.
No, no high-profile Americans so far.
Why?
Well, I mean, the wheels of justice sometimes move slowly.
I think more information is coming out.
And as a result of that, I think you're going to see action because some of this information has been suppressed, like the 98% of the FBI tapes on my case to the guy with the Campbell camp.
No, I think eventually some people will be brought to justice.
I mean, here again, you don't want to, you know, over-prosecute.
You don't want to jump to conclusions and maybe charge somebody like a Don Lemon for something that may not be a crime.
I think you got to be very careful with something like this, because if you're accused of something like this, your life is destroyed.
You know, very notable people are now caught up in Epstein, those relationships, President Clinton for one, Bill Gates for another, not just Prince Andrew.
And, you know, I was in politics.
You meet a lot of people along the way.
Thank goodness I never met him.
But it's very likely that most of the people that intersected with Epstein had nothing to do with any of that stuff, didn't know anything about it.
And so I think it's prudent that whatever prosecutions come, it's done judiciously and carefully, because these are very, very serious allegations.
They should be prosecuted if, in fact, there's probable cause that someone did something to a child.
But again, you don't want to go and destroy somebody's life and jump the gun.
You're going to have to be my friend Donald Trump.
Okay.
Let me ask Benny asking.
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I want to ask Benny Trump.
He's got nothing to do with it.
Hang on.
Hang on.
I want to ask Benny this.
So, so, Benny, it seems to me, I've taken a position on this from the start, that if you distanced yourself completely from Epstein after his conviction for being a pedophile, then, okay, you've got plausible deniability.
You didn't know what kind of guy he was.
He was a big socialite, wealthy guy, mixing with the rich and famous and powerful.
But then he got a conviction for a sex crime against a minor.
Okay.
At that point, there's no confusion about who he is.
And yet we see people like Elon Musk, for example, the richest man in the world, owner of X, who has been on a sort of rampage the last few days of trying to justify why he's the knight in shining armor about all this.
He blew the whistle.
He's the one demanding prosecutions, but repeatedly saying, I never, I turned down all invitations to the island, blah, And yet we're seeing in real time emails which directly contradict that.
Not that he ever went to the island, but he certainly expressed a keenness to go there and wanted to know when the wildest parties were taking place and so on.
And it just, you know, as I've said on this show already, it's the little things where, like with when he was Prince Andrew, it's the little things where if they're not telling the truth about the little stuff, what else are they not telling the truth about?
Are you concerned that we're seeing a lot of people who, you know, Howard Lutnick, another one, you know, I never saw him again after whatever date it was.
And then we know that's not true now.
A lot of the chronology that these people are trying to paint has been destroyed by the reality of the documentary evidence from these files.
What do you make of that?
Yeah, you're exactly right.
There is two different distinct timelines for people that were dealing with Jeffrey Epstein.
There's pre-prosecution in Florida for pedophilia, child trafficking, underage abuse of young women.
This is what Jeffrey Epstein was charged with.
And then there's dealing with him after those prosecutions.
And of course, he pled to those charges.
He then was put inside of his own wing of a low-security prison.
He was allowed to go home on the weekends.
Alex Ocosta was the federal prosecutor there in the Bush era, by the way, which is frankly something that I'd really like to look into.
Like, why the hell did Jeffrey Epstein get to skate on these early charges?
If you stack up the charges against Jeffrey Epstein there, it was in 2006 to 2008.
George Bush was president.
Robert Mueller was in charge of the FBI.
These charges should have landed him in prison for the rest of his life.
None of us should be having this conversation.
Jeffrey Epstein should be rotting in a prison cell for his crimes that he was that he pled to in 2006 and through 2008, his prosecution.
Why the hell was all of the people that were with him given immunity, like Jelaine Maxwell?
Why did that happen?
I think this is ultimately the real question because there's a lot of people that are going down this scummy behavior.
This isn't the real question.
So let Benny finish.
And let me just finish my let me just finish my thought here because, like, you know, everyone's going to sit here and accuse me of being a shill for the Republican Party.
Listen, George Bush was president during this time.
Alex Acosta was working for George Bush.
Alex Acosta said, Don't charge Jeffrey Epstein.
Back off.
He belongs to Intel.
There's something so much deeper that is going on here.
And what we're seeing in the 3 million files, photographs, and videos that have been released is certainly threads of Jeffrey Epstein on a state level being a state actor while running a compromise operation against some of the most powerful people, including members of royal families, heads of state, Ehud Barack, a ton of other people that were all ensnared in this very rich people.
But all I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't be talking about Jeffrey Epstein because that evil son of a bitch should be in prison right now for the rest of his life, rotting in jail for the rest of his life.
But Benny, with respect to the people, and so like I wish I wish we could like get back to, I wish we could get back as to who was it that prevented that from happening?
Because that should the other day in a press conference that there's really no more investigations here.
We're probably not going to find anybody else.
I'm paraphrasing here.
I also find it interesting that only about 50% of the files have been released.
Benny, Donald Trump has called people like you and me stupid for even talking about this.
He's been doing everything he can to try to prevent the truth from coming out.
And if the defense is, well, why didn't Joe Biden do this?
First of all, you mentioned Maxwell.
She was under trial, open investigation, and then there was an appeal.
That's that's number two there.
And I would also go as far as to say this: the fact of the matter is, is that Donald Trump is all over the Epstein Falls hundreds of times.
What did Dan Bongino do about it?
What did Kash Patel do about it?
Well, they say that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
There's nothing to see here.
We had all these people out there with binders, people like you, Benny, people out there with binders.
I didn't hold any binders.
Dude, get your facts straight.
Like, I'm not going to defend.
I'm not going to defend the non-release of Epstein evidence.
I'm not going to defend it.
Like, I think that it was an event.
I think that was a total mistake.
I think it was a total mistake.
I'm really glad to see 3 million documents out.
I want all of them out.
I will join with you and say I want all that.
I can be intellectually consistent on all of this.
Everyone who committed a crime, like everyone who committed a crime should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm enraged.
It does really bother me that Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to skate because he belongs to Intel.
One question.
Benny, one quick question.
Does it bother you?
Hold on.
Does it bother you, Benny, that Donald Trump is all over the Epstein Falls, regardless of whether you think there's criminal activity or not?
I'm asking you, man to man, does it is it problematic to you?
I guess that's the right word to use that Donald Trump was his best friend for over 10 years, that Donald Trump was at least eight times on the plane.
We learned that in the Maxwell trial.
He's on the flight block.
Does it bother you?
He's all over the Epstein Falls at all.
What criminal allegations are you talking about?
The question isn't a criminal allegation.
I'm asking, Benny, pay attention.
Does it bother you?
And do you think it's problematic?
I am paying attention that he associated himself.
Okay, does it bother you that Donald Trump associated himself with Jeffrey Epstein from that period of time and he's all over the Epstein Falls?
Because Joe Biden's not in the Epstein Files.
Barack Obama's not in the Epstein Falls.
Kamala Harris is in the Epstein Falls.
Dude, Barack.
That bother?
Barack Obama's White House counsel, Barack Obama's White House counsel, Catherine Rummler, is all over the Epstein files, including that one, attempting to set up meetings with Obama while let me rephrase that question she was getting laughing.
She was getting lavish with gifts.
She was getting lavish with gifts, with gifts.
But yes, let me ask you, answer the question, does it bother definitive?
I'm not asking, don't talk at once, don't all talk at once.
I would ask Ethan this question i'd phrase it slightly differently is, i've not seen anything and correct me if i'm wrong here, but where is the damning evidence that Donald Trump continued to consult with Epstein post his conviction?
Because that is the line I draw with all of these high profile people.
You can, you can, you can say what you like, but I mean, for example take, take Elon Musk.
Right, if Elon Musk said which is entirely believable that he had no idea about Epstein's conviction, this is what Richard Branson said, he didn't know until he did a bit of a deep dive into him.
Then it emerged, I didn't know Epstein at all or that he had a conviction, for example, I never met him, never mixed in his circles, whatever I, so it would have been a surprise to me.
I'm just surprised that Elon Musk, rather than saying I didn't know about that conviction and that would have changed everything, given how strong he's been, for example, about the grooming gang scandal in the Uk but he hasn't done that what he said is, I never accepted invitations to be on the island when we have seen all the emails from him, you know, pleading to go on the island.
So that's the problem I have with it.
So I think with Trump i've not seen anything incriminating.
That happens after the conviction.
So you know Trump can say, as he has been, the moment I knew what he was, I ditched him like a sack of spuds, and people that took that position at least can say with some sincerity, once I knew he was a convicted pedophile, I didn't see him again.
Um yeah, I agree with you that.
Uh, essentially there's no smoking gun with Trump post his conviction.
I think mostly people, I mean, are rightfully concerned when you see that he appears a thousand times throughout the the.
The leaks right and I mean the guy was very close with him.
There's pictures of him like looking at young girls and talking about how hot they are with with a known trap.
Well, he didn't wasn't known as a trafficker then.
But I think right, people are rightful questioning his character.
That being said, there is yeah, there's no smoking gun that he was associated with them.
Afterwards, for example, Elon Musk wrote him a an email that said, when is the wildest party now who?
Now, who the he who would ask a convicted, known trafficker when is their wildest party on their island?
Right, like like you can say, oh, I didn't know.
But listen, he did know.
This is Epstein.
He was a socialite, a New York socialite.
These people all know each other.
They know why is he asking him to party?
He knows him because he's the party guy.
He's the guy.
Hey, I got the girls.
Yeah age, age optional.
And i'll add something, I agree with everything you just Said, there are victims and there are people that made statements to the FBI with the possibility threatened of perjury if they were lying.
I tend to believe those victims, but this is a pattern of behavior with Donald Trump.
The 25 plus women that have come forward that have accused him of sexual assault or rape.
The hiding, not wanting to talk about Jeffrey Epstein.
It's very strange.
He doesn't want to talk about it.
He calls everybody stupid who even brings it up.
And again, I go back to Eugene Carroll.
I go back to him sexualizing his own daughter.
I go back to him bragging about going into teenage girls' locker rooms on the Howard Stern show in a beauty pageant that he ran.
So there is a history.
Now, is there criminal?
Is there criminally?
Have you proven anything in the court of law?
Obviously not.
But I think where they're smoked is fire.
And I absolutely believe that the 3 million files that we haven't seen yet, keep that in mind, half the files we haven't even seen yet.
They've already released these files that I think are pretty damning to Donald Trump.
Imagine what's left that they haven't released yet.
So let's wait and see.
I agree with Benny.
I don't think that he wants the files to be released.
I don't disagree with that.
And I didn't mean to say, grab him by the way.
What about Bennett, Benny?
Benny has said.
Hold on.
Benny has said their trumpet is fired because they should all be released.
Yep.
All right.
Look, you know, Benny, we're running out of time.
I just want to get the take on Clinton here.
I just want to get the take on Clinton.
I'll give you the take.
Because there are photos of Clinton in the hot tub.
There are photos of Clinton.
I got to be defending Elon Musk.
Do not let him.
Getting a take on Bill Clinton.
Benny, you ready for this?
Because I'm not a shill for anybody, Benny.
I'll answer your question directly.
Go for it.
I believe that both Donald Trump and Bill Clinton have done some very bad things to young women.
But here's the difference between me and you.
Okay.
I don't defend Bill Clinton ad nauseum.
You defend Donald Trump.
None of us.
I want, if you're, if whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, I want you held to the highest standard of the law.
And I want justice for the victims.
I don't play whataboutism.
I agree with you that, yeah, Bill Clinton probably did some very bad things as well.
But guess what?
Bill Clinton is not the leader of the free world right now.
Donald Trump is.
And I have yet to see you actually make the case or make a claim that, yeah, Donald Trump probably did some very bad things with Jeffrey Epstein.
I will admit that I wouldn't doubt the fact that Bill Clinton has done that.
Are you willing to agree with me with some middle ground here and say, yeah, Donald Trump also probably did some bad things?
Will you admit that right now, Piers Morgan?
No, of course not, because there's no evidence of zero.
But you're saying, you're saying that you're saying that when Donald Trump was present, leader of the free world.
Hold on.
Like, when Bill Clinton was leader of the free world, he lied under oath about having cheating on his wife with his intern.
And then nobody.
He's like an attorney.
He's in the overall office.
Nobody's defending Clinton.
I'll respond to that.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm talking about Trump.
This is the op.
Here's the bottom line.
With Trump and Bill Clinton, I think the level of embarrassment about their association with Epstein is not dissimilar, actually.
Rod, what would you like to say before I just go to Benny for one last word about your investigation in California?
So, Rod.
No, I think the record should reflect that of all the people we've talked about in this conversation, Donald Trump is the only one who actually kicked Epstein out of a place and barred him from Mar-a-Lago when he learned that there were reasons to think that there was some creepy activity going on.
It's true.
It's more Clinton than nobody else did.
Yes.
I think it's a reasonable point.
I just think the bottom line for Trump is he appears to have prosecuted himself from Epstein after the conviction.
And I do think that gives him a better position for defending himself than the ones who carried on.
Because, you know, if you carry on seeing a guy when he's convicted of being a pedophile, it means you don't care that he abuses underage kids.
Period.
Benny, I just want to end very quickly with you, with this extraordinary video you put out exposing a massive fraud in California.
Just summarizing quickly.
I thought you were going to say the one he defended Elon Musk associating with Epstein that you posted yesterday.
I guess we got confused about which video.
You can address either one, Ben.
All right, Benny.
As Piers just said, you defended Elon Musk.
Hold on.
Emailing somebody isn't a crime.
I think we should be focused on crimes.
When it comes to the wildest authority, what is the wildest party?
It doesn't mean he committed any crime.
Let's not sit there and act like this is all innocent.
Like Benny did in his YouTube video yesterday as he continues to shill for either Trump or the Russians and peddle.
I want to give Benny the chance to talk about very quickly his investigation in California.
Benny.
So California is the epicenter of all fraud.
They spend $31 billion on their homeless crisis.
That's $170,000 per homeless person.
And the result of that is that homelessness has increased exponentially in California, as has federal funding of the homeless crisis in California.
Those dollars are being stolen in amounts that are staggering, that makes Somali fraud in Minnesota look like pennies.
And it's time for a full-scale federal investigation.
We were able to uncover hundreds of millions of dollars of theft.
This comes on the heels of other major frauds in California, including the theft of federal funding for unemployment, COVID.
And this is why you have a state that still can't repay their COVID loans.
California is an absolute nightmare.
And it's why they're going to lose five electoral seats in the next 2030 census because people cannot get out fast enough.
Nonetheless, Gavin Newsom wants to run for president.
So I think that it is, and he is absolutely already running for president right now.
And so I think it's worth a heavy, critical look at how he has managed what I would argue, the most resource-rich and the crown jewel of America, the state of California, one of the most beautiful and gifted states, and how he's run it truly into the ground.
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And so that's what we're doing.
We're doing a full investigation.
Rick Shirley's also out there.
Nick Shirley's also out there right now.
And so we look forward to his investigation as well.
I'd like to respond if I may.
Thank you very much.
Well, finally, thank you.
Thanks, guys.
Have your final word.
At a time when ICE is rolling up to people in unmarked vehicles and unmarked outfits, carrying people off the street and taking off in a van, when we have fascism marching into America now, who gives a shit about what's going on in California, right?
There's nothing more urgent than what is happening right now with ICE.
There's zero.
You can give a shit about both.
Surely, look, I don't give a shit about both.
I think you can give a shit about ICE and what's going on.
I didn't give a shit about corruption.
Yeah, but I think one is much more urgent.
I think Benny's intentionally bearing the lead here.
I think we're sleepwalking into fascist police overreach.
And I want to say fuck ICE and get the fuck out.
Pierce, can I just end by saying one quick statement?
Well, I can't have people.
I want to end on this.
This isn't the Grammys.
I want to know this story.
This is the Grammys where you all queue up to say fuck ICE.
So I'm afraid I'm curious.
I'm going to talk before we finish.
Let me just say I'm sorry about your fall.
I'm glad you're recovering.
I'm glad you're feeling better.
I was worried about you.
We need people like you doing this, these kinds of shows.
I respect you a lot, Pierce, and I'm glad you're feeling better.
We got to get you back and healthy again.
So I'm glad you're back.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
I want to just thank you for knowing your place and piping down and not speaking too much as your opinion is basically worth nothing.
So thank you, Governor.
Why don't we end on the happier note that Brian left us with?
Thank you all very much.
I appreciate it.
Thanks, Pierce.
Returning to Uncensored now is Glenn Beck, the founder of Blaze Media.
Glenn, great to have you back.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good to be back.
I feel like even though we talk to each other every few months, so much happens, even in a calendar week at the moment in the news cycle.
Have you ever known any period in your career where the news cycle is so frenzied?
No, you know, I thought about that the other day.
I'm approaching my 49th year in broadcast and never have I seen anything like this.
Barack Obama sped things up.
He, you know, kind of overwhelmed and short-circuited the system in a way.
And I thought that was fast.
This is between what Donald Trump is doing on the world stage and, you know, politically here, what is happening at the escalation of violence and these protests, I've never seen anything like anything like it.
It's reminiscent of certain time periods, but nothing like this.
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On the protests, let's take that first, given you've mentioned it, because I think you have quite a nuanced take on what's been happening here with both Alex Proti and Renee Good.
And I think it's probably not dissimilar to mine.
And correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you've said, but my gut feeling, having watched these videos, like everybody from every angle multiple times, is I don't think that these ICE agents set out to be cold-blooded murderers or assassins.
And nor do I think that the victims were entirely blameless of putting themselves into a situation which escalated.
However, neither deserved to die.
And the general febrile atmosphere that led to their deaths is a direct result, I think, of overreach by ICE, fueled by the administration or particular members of that administration, and that it's got completely out of control.
And that Donald Trump, I think, in the last few days, recognized this and has put the reins on it.
So I think I agree with most of what you said.
First of all, thank you for being an adult.
A lot of people in the world, and especially America, cannot hold two thoughts at once anymore.
You can be a protester and have a right to protest and also, you know, be surrounded by insurrectionists, but not be one yourself.
You can be a cop and really do your job and make a mistake and somebody dies and doesn't make you a bad person.
I mean, two thoughts, two thoughts.
And that's what I believe happened at both of these things.
I do believe, I mean, you know, we expose some radical ties and whether they themselves were radicals or not, I'm not sure.
But I know the ties were there to, you know, these Turtle Island Marxist kind of things.
And I'm not saying they either one of them believed in it, but they were tied to those organizations and were involved with those organizations.
And Turtle Island is basically a way of saying America is not legitimate.
It belongs to the Native American and the white man should have never been here and it all should be wiped out.
There's no, there's very few people actually believe that, but I think those are the radicals that are actually in charge.
And then most people on the street, I think are either, some of them, good intention because they think that something is wrong or wildly misinformed and a useful idiot.
I think the administration made some wrong moves on the way they handled after Renee Goode was killed.
I think the way they came out about that, I think, was a mistake.
That only riled things up more.
But you also have to look at the political situation in Minnesota.
There is more fraud in Minnesota with the state government and the governor knew about it.
There's more fraud than I think we've ever found in American history in a state and a program.
And nobody's talking about that.
So I think there are also some very powerful political forces that are trying to do everything they can to stop people from talking about that.
But as you said, I'm glad to see that the president, I think he did turn a corner.
He's got a very tough road to walk here.
He can't be weak on it, but he can't make things worse.
You know, this is going to take the best of his ability to get through.
Because I think we are in.
What I imagine would be frustrating to him is that what he's achieved on the southern border, for example, has been staggeringly successful and has almost universal approval, right?
What he's achieved in when he says, look, we want to kick all the undocumented people in the United States who then commit crimes unconnected to their status.
Everyone broadly agrees with that too.
The flashpoint is, and I keep talking about this because I think it's what the real flash point is here, is I think the majority of Americans that I know, and it's reflected in the polls, they're compassionate people.
They're people of common sense.
And they have looked at people, for example, who've come here into the United States, undocumented, but then built lives for themselves where they've had kids, they've got jobs, they've paid taxes, they've contributed to society, they don't commit other crimes.
They're law-abiding citizens, for all intents and purposes, without actually being citizens.
And they don't like the optics of masked ICE agents seemingly rampaging around into Home Depot and other places and grabbing people like that and trying to throw them out of the country.
I would tell you that the president agrees with what you just said.
That is one of the things he made very, very clear.
We are going after the criminals.
We're going after the people who are dangerous, who have raped our children, raped our wives, our daughters, et cetera, et cetera, murdered people.
Those people are the ones they're going after.
The mask is a tough one because, again, I don't like our police in masks either.
I don't like anybody in masks.
I had a problem with it during COVID.
I don't like the mask idea.
It's very impersonal.
And especially when it comes to good guys and bad guys, why are you wearing a mask?
But you don't understand that in America, these people are being targeted and their families.
People are targeting.
Oh, yeah, I get it.
Yeah.
Right.
So, I mean, the problem is chicken and the egg.
You've got to stop the violence.
You have to stop people.
If the left would come out, if Waltz would come out and say, enough of this, stop it.
Stop it.
Respect them.
We've worked out a deal with President Trump.
We're going to turn over these people, et cetera, et cetera.
This would all go away.
But there's not that honest negotiation.
No, I agree.
And actually, the most pleasing moment of a very difficult week, I think, was when Trump did pick the phone up to Waltz and they had what apparently was a very constructive conversation.
That should have happened a long time before.
The idea that the governor was not allowing the local cops to do their job on the streets to police crowds and was leaving it to what were, in my opinion, clearly poorly trained ICE agents in crowd control.
That was a major factor in what was happening.
Yeah, that's not what they do.
That's not what the National Guard is even supposed to do.
That's a local policing issue.
But, you know, we're in a situation where if the local police and the and the attorney general of the state won't do their job, won't prosecute, won't arrest, won't stand in the middle and play the referee, then what do you have?
I mean, you can't let lawlessness rule.
And our constitution is very clear.
If the state government refuses to do its job, if they refuse or impede federal agents or federal agents are in danger, then the government has the right to say, this is an insurrection, yada, yada, and put it down.
Trump doesn't want to do that.
Trump does not want to do that.
That will only inflame everything, but he has the right to do it.
And they're kind of backing him into this kind of South Korea corner where he's like, what do you want me to do?
You want me, I'll go take over, but that's a bad idea.
And that'll only make, that'll only just throw gasoline on the fire.
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And I believe that's what the left wants.
I agree.
And I think you know you guys went through it in 68 in Paris and in England.
Yeah.
This is the same kind of coordinated Marxist effort.
It is separate from people who honestly are looking at the situation and judging it as an adult and saying, this is wrong, this is right.
But most of this is coordinated by Marxists.
Yeah, I don't disagree.
We'll talk about the Epstein scandal.
It's never ending, this scandal, and it's bringing down a lot of scalps in the UK.
Former Prince Andrew brought down Lord Mandelson, he's been brought down.
A lot of people falling here.
We're not seeing the same thing happening in the United States yet.
What was your view of this, Glenn?
I mean, again, pretty unprecedented scandal in terms of the reach of high-profile, famous, rich, powerful people dragged into the net of one guy.
And we still don't really know who got up to bad stuff with him and who was just part of the social world and is mentioned in these files.
And therefore, people want to find them guilty by association.
I found out Saturday that I'm actually in the files.
Yeah, one of his clients said, you know, I'm having to meet with some Glenn Beck fans and you know what they're like or something like that.
So it's the only good way to be in those files.
The problem with this, Piers, I think this is the biggest scandal we've ever faced.
And because it shows how deep the deep state and powerful people, they can get away with it.
But I don't think we're ever going to have the answer.
You know, both parties have had this file, these files.
They've had them.
Both the Republicans and the Democrats have had them.
You don't think if Donald Trump was in them, you don't think the Democrats would have used that to stop him.
They used everything else.
They would have used that.
Did somebody take that out?
Did somebody take the other side out?
I think everybody who was really powerful enough got all of that stuff out.
I think the way Pam Bondi, our attorney general, handled it was an absolute disgrace.
It was not helpful in any way, shape, or form.
But I don't think we're ever going to get to the answer.
But I certainly would like to see more people just in shame.
You know, Bill Gates, my gosh, just in shame.
I know.
Does shame even exist anymore?
It does in England.
I don't think it does in America anymore.
Yeah.
Yes, very interesting.
I agree with you.
People here are being shamed into oblivion.
I'm not seeing that yet in the United States.
And yet a lot of people like Bill Gates.
It's pretty, pretty appalling what we're reading about people like him.
Let's end on a happier note.
Melania, the movie.
You went there with Tanya, your wife.
The theater was packed.
What did you make of the film?
It's obviously been trashed by critics, but then they're not honest brokers, these critics.
They're people that hate the Trumps, pretend they hate Donald Trump.
So therefore, they trash him.
I don't want to present myself as a completely honest broker either because I like the Trumps.
I know them personally.
Right.
But I thought it was, I thought it was fascinating to have that kind of access.
I mean, it was, you know, two or three weeks before the inauguration.
I thought it was really well done and elegant.
I think it made her look to be the Jackie Onassis, which I think she is, Jackie Kennedy.
Yeah.
I think, I don't think we've ever had a classier, you know, she's up with Jackie Kennedy.
Very, very smart.
And it shows how smart she is and a woman of her own thought, not.
And I thought it was, I thought it was great.
I didn't learn much new, but I've never seen access like that before.
I saw things that I've never seen before, but there's nothing new.
But it's a wild look into this time from a completely different angle that we've never, Americans have never seen.
Yeah, I just think whatever you think of the Trumps, it's a really interesting peek behind the curtains, which shows you the dual role of people who get propelled to these gigantically big public places like Melania Trump.
Imagine one minute, she's just the wife of a real estate tycoon who does a bit of TV.
The next, she's the first lady of the United States, having come to the country as an immigrant.
Right.
An immigrant from behind the iron curtain.
I mean, only in America.
Amazing story.
Amazing story.
And then Donald Trump, his mother, went through Ellis Island.
His mother was an immigrant and she produced the president of the United States.
I mean, it's an incredible story and incredible that those two people are the first lady and the president while everybody is saying they hate immigrants.
How's that possible?
There is an irony there, isn't there, Glenn?
Glenn, got to leave it there.
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