‘‘Keep Your Fat Ass At HOME!” ICE Shooting With Nick Shirley & Adam Carolla
Millions around the world have been divided after viewing the distressing footage of an ICE agent fatally opening fire on 37-year-old mother Renee Good. Many think the officer’s perspective was the proof they needed that Good was in the wrong. But it does seem clear that both citizen and officer made mistakes. Many in the administration have called her a ‘domestic terrorist’ - but either way, she was the mother of a young boy, and did not deserve to die. Piers Morgan discusses the incident with YouTuber Nick Shirley, senior counsel with the Article 3 Project, Will Chamberlain, journalist and commentator, Geraldo Rivera and The Bulkwark commentator Tim Miller plus interviews Adam Carolla. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Mando: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get 20% off + free shipping with promo code PIERS at https://shopmando.com! #mandopod Veracity Selfcare: Visit https://VeracitySelfCare.com & use code PIERS for up to 45% off your order! Cozy Earth: Start the New Year with real comfort. Go to https://cozyearth.com/PIERS for up to 20% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The Tragic Self-Defense Shoot00:15:12
That's fine.
I'm not medical.
No!
I think everybody made a mistake in this situation, but only one person got executed.
I'm a lawyer.
I've been trained.
I've read a lot about the DeLaw of Self-Defense.
This was the most obvious self-defense shoot I've seen in quite some time.
Really?
She's barely moving.
You're going to get into a grocery store parking lot, Will.
How do you get out of Walmart without shooting somebody?
Women have been sort of weaponized.
There's women screaming, shoot me, shoot me, at ICE officers.
They're physically fighting with these people.
Well, you're 48, you're morbidly obese, and you're not armed, and you have no training.
So they'll just knock you over.
Hello, we'd like to ask where the money's going.
What was this money spent on?
Tim Waltz got caught red-handed.
He could have stopped the fraud a long time ago.
For that reason, he's decided not to run to re-election.
Many millions of people around the world have now seen the distressing footage of an ICE agent fatally opening fire on 37-year-old Renee Goode.
As every new detail emerges, the wildly opposing views on what happened have become only further entrenched.
For many whose impulse is to defend law enforcement wherever possible, this video of the officer's perspective was the proof they needed that Renee Goode was in the wrong.
Anybody who says they know definitively what was going on in either of their minds is lying.
But it does seem clear that both made mistakes.
Officers are trained not to stand in a vehicle's path and to not shoot at moving vehicles.
Renee Goode shouldn't have been obstructing the road and she shouldn't have ignored the very clear instructions she was given.
But she's not a domestic terrorist, as many in the Trump administration have tried to say.
She's the mother of a young boy and she didn't surely deserve to die.
It's easy to be an expert after the fact.
This was clearly an emotional and chaotic few seconds for both of the people involved.
The officer broke the law, the law should still be enforced.
George Floyd and BLM led to waves of total insanity in the United States.
Right now, it looks like people on both sides of the argument have learned, well, pretty much nothing at all.
We'll be debating all that with journalist and commentator Geraldo Rivera, Will Chamberlain, senior counsel with the Article 3 project, Tim Miller, commentator with the ballwalk.
And first, I'll be speaking to Nick Shirley, the YouTuber, whose work on alleged Somali fraud has prompted the federal investigations.
Nick Shirley, welcome to our sensor.
Thank you, Pierce.
How's it going?
Good.
I mean, when you...
Listen, all due respect, I'd never heard of you until about two weeks ago, and then suddenly you're the guy who's made the video watched by about 140 million people.
First of all, what's that been like for you?
Yeah, it's been interesting.
I've been doing YouTube, making these documentary-style journalism videos for a very long time now, for over two years.
And so, and I've known about this fraud happening for a while.
And so, when I was able to meet up with the man by the name of David in that video to go out and investigate the fraud, obviously, it resonated with a lot of people knowing that fraud is happening here inside the United States and that we were able to show it open and blatantly for the people to see.
You have, I believe, part two coming out imminently.
What can you tell me about what's in that?
Yeah, so the daycare fraud's only one part of the fraud.
There's a lot of more fraud that's happening in Minnesota, especially with these companies called non-emergency medical transportation companies that kind of uphold a lot of the fraud.
So, that way these companies and these are able to continue getting money with these welfare programs.
You've been criticized by a lot of people and praised by a lot of people.
Tim Waltz, Minnesota's Democratic governor, announced he wouldn't seek re-election in the aftermath of your video going so viral.
In the days before the announcement, he said you were, he said this on X, a far-right YouTuber, a delusional conspiracy theorist, but then he made his own announcement about not seeking re-election.
What's your message to Tim Waltz?
Yeah, I think Tim Waltz got caught red-handed.
He's known about the fraud since 2019.
He's been saying he's been fighting fraud for that long.
He's even said that organized crimes happening is at a fault for a lot of the stuff that's happening inside Minnesota.
And so he could have stopped the fraud a long time ago.
And he knew about the fraud for a very long time.
So for me to go there and with one day show the fraud happening openly for everyone to see, obviously Tim Waltz, he got caught.
And for that reason, he's decided not to run for re-election.
You've had people in mainstream media being quite sneering about you and your journalism.
But conversely, do you think mainstream media has failed the American people by not doing the very kind of thing that you were doing in this video?
Yeah, 100%.
Everyone else had the opportunity as well to go and make this video and go talk to the people and hear what a lot of people were messaging me about this fraud.
That's why I went and did the video because that's what Minnesotans wanted me to do.
I had received thousands of messages beforehand.
Have you had a bad reaction in terms of people threatening you since this?
Yeah, I mean, obviously when you expose fraud, a lot of the fraudsters are going to be upset.
And then it turned into a race and political issue.
And I was just going to show fraud that was taking place.
This was never meant to be a right or left issue.
It was just to show that fraud is happening and that fraud is bad.
And then you see how it becomes a race and political issue.
And that was never the intention of the video.
I mean, one of the things that's happened is that a lot of people have come out and they kind of tarred the whole Somali community with the same brush of being fraudsters.
That's upset a lot of people in that community who are not criminally minded.
What do you feel about that?
Yeah, it's tough because the fraud that's happening in Minnesota, 89% of the fraud that is happening is from Somalians.
And so that's just a fact about the issue is that a lot of the fraud being committed is by Somalians.
There's also a white woman who was in charge of feeding our future, who's locked up, imprisoned.
And then you also had a man who got convicted and charged of $7.2 million in Medicaid fraud, but a white liberal judge let him walk and reversed that.
So you're seeing how this political correctness has enabled this fraud to happen.
What do you feel?
We're going to bring the rest of the panel in in a moment, but this video of the ICE officer shooting Renee Good.
What is your, we've all had a chance to watch this from multiple angles now for the last week.
What is your view about what happened?
Yeah, it's super sad.
And I've gone to these protests.
I've talked to these people and she put herself in a position where the officer was duty bound to protect himself as well.
The officer obviously doesn't want to feel like his life's in threat and she shouldn't be putting the officer's life in threat.
And do I think he should have shot her?
I don't know.
I'm not in the position of the officer.
But like I said, he's duty bound to protect himself.
And she shouldn't have put herself in that position.
She knew what she was doing.
She was impeding a federal law enforcement investigation.
But you actually think she was trying to run him down?
I do.
If you watch the video, she was obviously aiming towards there.
And then there's even a moment before where she hit the gas and the tire didn't catch tread.
Who knows what would have happened if the tires did catch tread and she was able to do it.
And her girlfriend was saying, drive, baby, drive.
But that could be just to get away rather than run anybody over.
Yeah, that could be.
But if you watch the video, her tires are aimed at the officer and she hit the gas.
And luckily, her tread did not catch beforehand as well.
Okay, let's bring the rest of the panel.
You're going to stay with us, Nate.
Tim Miller, this has been an unbelievably divisive story.
You know, my view is having watched this many times now from every possible angle, is that everybody involved made mistakes, but that ultimately that woman should not have been shot dead.
And no one can persuade me otherwise.
I do not believe the videos collectively showed her deliberately trying to run anybody over.
And in fact, her demeanor prior to this happening a few seconds earlier is the converse of being confrontational.
So there's no suggestion there that she had any malicious intent towards running people over, and yet she's dead.
What's your view of this?
Yeah, I gotta tell you, I don't know what Nex was looking at if he thought that she was aiming for him.
I agree with you, Piers.
I think everybody made a mistake in this situation, but only one person got executed.
And so I think we should look into why that was and what happened there and just be honest about what happened.
He greeted the officer, Jonathan Ross, had seen her, as you mentioned, 20 seconds before he shot her.
And she said to him, That's fine, dude.
I'm not mad at you.
She's smiling.
He could see into the car.
There's a dog in the back seat.
There are children's, there are children's toys in the passenger seat of the car.
And then he walks around to the front.
She's backing up and as she starts to move away, this car is moving like two miles an hour.
It's not moving any faster than any car does in any grocery store parking lot anywhere in America.
The wheel is clearly pointing away, moving away for him.
And then he shoots her, not just one time, but then he shoots her a second time and a third time through the side window.
Like when he fires the third shot, he's completely to the side of the car.
He's not in any danger at all.
And so I just don't see how anybody could see this and think that this person legitimately felt like his life was in danger.
I'd also note that he has a couple of colleagues that are standing there.
None of them pulled their weapon.
None of them thought, seemed to think his life was in danger.
And then after the car with the dead driver goes away, he walks to it easily and he calls her a fucking bitch.
So I just look, I think this is a very clear situation.
I think everybody trying to make this complicated or trying to say she tried to kill him.
They either are just intentionally spinning for the administration because they're hacks, or maybe they're just very easily scared individuals who I don't know how you would get through life by not thinking that somebody in that situation was going to kill themselves.
It was in danger of let me bring in Will Chairman who says nonsense.
Why do you say that?
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Well, saying that people are scared when they're acting in lawful self-defense is offensive.
Basically, every way that Tim characterized that was just unbelievably uncharitable to the police officer who clearly shot in self-defense.
He was directly in front of the vehicle when Miss Good hit the accelerator.
Now, maybe she was going to continue turning, but maybe she wasn't.
He was two feet in front of it.
And that woman had justified a lawful order to be detained.
I mean, we have to understand before this happened, and that's not, again, not to say that she deserved to be shot.
This execution thing is so frivolous because it's not about her being given punishment for her actions.
It's about her creating the scenario in which another person felt a reasonable fear of deadly injury.
Well, she committed multiple felonies in this context: parking her car in the middle of the road, obstructing a law enforcement investigation.
And then finally, this aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
A car is not a trivial thing.
And I mean, you think about police stops all over the country.
The primary danger is people fleeing in their vehicles with two trunks, you know, which are two tons of metal coming at them.
And it's also not just self-defense, it's defense of others as well.
You and I will have an easy thing.
All right, but Will, you and I had an exchange on X about whether this constitutes domestic terrorism.
I think that's such a ridiculous phrase to use about what we've all witnessed with our own eyes here.
She's not a domestic terrorist.
She wasn't trying to commit an act of terrorism against this ICE officer.
Now, I happen to think that what may be a key part of this is that it emerged that six months earlier, the same ICE officer had been dragged by a car in a similar situation, hundreds of yards, and has suffered injuries and probably a lot of trauma, right?
We don't know how much trauma, but how much was that playing on his mind when he's there?
He's ignored his training, which is that ICE officers should not be standing in front of a car in that situation, nor should they fire at a moving vehicle.
That's what they're trained not to do.
That last part is certainly incorrect when you are allowed to fire at a moving vehicle in self-defense or in defense of others.
Right.
If you genuinely think your life is in danger.
Now, the question.
So the question is.
That's nuts.
I'm sorry.
How does firing at a moving vehicle make you more safe?
This doesn't even make sense, Peters.
Again, she's barely moving.
If you shoot someone, as we saw with that car, if you shoot someone driving, the point I'm making, Tim.
They're going to lean forward and press on the gas.
That's dangerous.
The point I'm making, the point I'm making is we don't know what was in anyone's minds.
I think it's quite likely that what was in the mind of this ICE officer is what happened to him six months earlier, right?
And it may be that he panicked because he feared the same thing happening again.
I'm not excusing or justifying what he did.
I'm explaining what may end up being one of the factors involved here.
It doesn't seem to me to be irrelevant that the same guy was dragged by a car and could potentially have been killed in that incident six months earlier.
Well, everybody is ignoring the original sin.
Hold on a second.
I haven't spoken yet.
Everybody is ignoring the original sin, which was to use a brigade-sized deployment of paramilitary forces to presumably or reportedly or the pretense was to go after the worst of the worst of the criminal aliens.
Did that happen?
Absolutely not.
What happened instead?
You had this deployment of these masked desperados, 2,000 strong, descending on the community with attitude.
Immigration and Legal Immunity00:14:11
There was hostility on both sides from the get-go.
And what in the world are paramilitary forces doing enforcing immigration law to begin with?
This was a bait and switch.
This was using the specter of immigration.
I'm surprised they didn't bring in transgender aliens.
This was absolutely a fraud.
This was a catastrophic failure.
What did they get for all this, aside from the dead Renee Good, the dead woman?
What did they get?
They say they arrested 500 or detained 500 undocumented immigrants so far in this operation in Minneapolis in the Twin Cities.
500.
How many of the 500 were the worst of the worst?
Is it not a fact that 70% of the American people oppose the way this deployment has gone down?
The Trump administration set the stage for this catastrophe, this tragedy to happen.
The southern border peers, as you pointed out correctly, has been sealed now for months.
There's zero influx of undocumented immigrants.
So if the supply of the problem has been cut off, isn't it time now for President Trump to use some common sense and some compassion, for God's sakes?
Some compassion.
Can you respond?
Yeah, well, you respond, yeah.
Yeah, first, I mean, is there some list of federal laws that federal authorities are not allowed to enforce?
You should probably inform them of that.
I think that's a little bit ridiculous.
What are you talking about?
What are you talking nonsense?
You're talking nonsense.
The federal government's not allowed to enforce immigration law because you actually need to bring in large numbers of immigrants.
They are allowed to enforce immigration laws.
What they are not allowed to is to impose a police state with attitudes and long guns.
When did you see that?
Do you want to know who's at fault for the future?
Hold on.
When did you see masked cops?
I don't know how much police work you've done.
I've done a lot for the last over 50 years.
You don't bring masked, heavily armed SWAT team, effectively SWAT team or Delta force, a kind of combatants into a situation where the problem is undocumented immigration.
If that's the problem, you go and you pursue the normal, ordinary, reasonable, prudent ways of dealing with the social problem.
It's immigration.
As I said, the supply has been cut off of immigrants.
Now's the time.
What about the DREAMers, the kids brought here at an early age who've been here and committed no crime?
Isn't it far for them to get far into undocumented immigration?
Isn't that what you're talking about?
Illegal aliens, so-called?
Isn't that fair?
You say they can't be masked?
They're masked because the radical left and Antifa.
Cops are never masked.
State troopers are never masked.
It's a policy question.
Can I just make this point?
If you're mad about the policy problem, which is the fact that the administration needs to send in militarized forces, forces that are ready for responses, that's because Minnesota has sanctuary state policies and doesn't cooperate with detaining criminal aliens.
In other states, they don't need to send in Bortax.
What's the rush?
Because they did it here in the world.
It's the Minnesota state supplier.
It's responsible for creating dangerous situations like the one that happened in Minneapolis.
Okay, but Geraldo, we can obviously, none of this is irrelevant, but in terms of the actual incident itself, what do you feel about what happened there?
In my heart of heart, and remember, I've covered every war in Central America, every war in Middle East, Afghanistan, 11 assignments, Iraq, 11 assignments.
I've seen guns and guns and firing and you know when to use your gun and when you don't use your gun.
That was absolutely an awful, awful mistake by those officers who aggressively sought to confront, as you peers have clearly laid out.
The woman in that car presented no threatening image.
Look at the car.
That's the weapon.
That makes her a domestic terrorist.
That car moving at two miles an hour, then five miles an hour?
The wheels clearly turn to the right?
Come on, I'm sick of the excuses.
It's one thing to have ideology and be as conservative as you want to be, but don't make up a situation with it fails right there.
When you say domestic terrorist, I covered Timothy McVay, 1995, Oklahoma City.
You want to see a domestic terrorist?
He killed 168 American men, women, and children.
That's a domestic terrorist or the Unabomber.
Yeah, that's how I just said.
That's how I felt.
I'm already name them.
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Yeah, I just feel that it trivializes the phrase to the point where it becomes meaningful.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Let me bring Nick Shirley back in here.
I mean, the thing is, Nick, because of camera phones now, so much of this stuff we can analyze for ourselves.
I think that when you see JD Vance, Donald Trump and others, and they try and tell us something that we just haven't seen with our own eyes, in other words, they want us to look at a video in a way that just doesn't represent what we watched.
No one can convince me that what we saw there was a woman whose demeanor leading up to that was intent on causing harm to that officer and who then wanted to run him over.
I've just seen nothing that shows that.
Now, if it did, I would say so.
I think part of the problem with these stories is everyone takes their partisan political position to its extremity immediately, almost as a defensive mechanism.
In other words, the left immediately took the position, right?
This is obvious, clear evidence that ICE are a bunch of Nazis and they murdered her in cold blood and blah, blah, blah.
And then the people on the right immediately go the opposite way.
This woman brought it on herself.
She's a radicalized left-wing lunatic.
She's a lesbian.
She's this.
She's that.
And I think all of that is wrong.
All of that distorts the debate about what happened here, which is I think everybody made mistakes.
She shouldn't have behaved the way that she did.
He shouldn't have done what he did.
It was a situation which we've watched in slow freeze frame, but actually in real time was very, very quick.
And I think this guy was suffering from a little bit of trauma from what happened to him a few months earlier.
And he reacted instinctively.
And it may well be he genuinely did fear that he was going to get hurt.
But he shouldn't have been in front of the car to start with.
That's against their training.
So all of it was governed by a series of errors.
Why can't it just be that?
Why can't we all just be honest about what we've watched?
Yeah, it's an ugly situation on both sides, right?
You have a lady who's impeding a federal law enforcement investigation.
She shouldn't be in the middle of the road.
And then if you watch the body cam footage from the ICE officer, he did get hit.
And that same officer had been dragged 300 feet beforehand just a few months ago.
And so who of us is to say whether or not we felt like his life was at threat?
Maybe he felt like his life was at threat.
And therefore, that's why he's shot.
And why is that lady impeding a federal law investigation in front?
And has her car stopped while they're doing a targeted ICE raid?
And so obviously there's wrongs on both sides, but you can't justify no one wants to see a woman get killed, but you can't also say, well, that officer was in the wrong because maybe he did think that his life was at threat.
And when we watched the video, it's instantaneously, it's within a few seconds.
What is interesting, Tim Miller, because...
Yeah, Tim, the point I would make, Tim, is that from a purely legal perspective, put aside the morality of what happened or anything else, from a pure lawful perspective, I suspect it's quite likely that this officer will not end up being successfully prosecuted for this.
Look, that's going to be a question for a jury, Piers.
But the point, look, people are on the right.
A lot of folks are praising Nick for just honesty and journalism when they felt that there was not honest things were being said about the daycares.
Can we just be honest about this?
Like, there is no way this person's life was at risk.
The third shot, no one will address this.
The third shot that he shoots, the third shot, he is to the side of the car.
He shoots her through the driver's side window.
The car has already passed him.
And then he calls her a fucking bitch.
Like, this guy's life is a drink.
You're trying to make this and others, they try to say it's both sides saying, oh, it's a partisan.
Obviously, the Trumpers defend him and the Never Trumpers don't.
That's not true.
If you look at Tim Dylan, who's a pro-Trump podcaster, Joe Rogan just today has said this was totally inappropriate and wrong.
Piers, you know, at times you've called it both ways, but you've been friendly with Trump.
You're seeing it clearly.
Only 28% of the country in a recent poll said this shoot was appropriate, including only 64% of Republicans.
Like 10% of independents, nobody who looks at this with open eyes can think this was justifiable.
I'm sorry that's just the truth.
We should just be honest about it.
There is no way to kill that woman.
I don't even know if we're actually kids' toys in the passenger seat.
Well, Will Chamberlain, why do you say Tim Miller's making that up?
Well, he's essentially accusing all of us of bad faith.
Like, I'm a lawyer.
I've been trained.
I've read a lot about the law of self-defense.
This was the most obvious self-defense shoot I've seen in quite some time.
Really?
And the idea.
Really?
Absolutely.
He's directly in front of the car, two feet in front of the car.
And she's barely looking at her.
Looking into a grocery store parking lot, Will.
How do you get out of Walmart without shooting somebody?
I'm hoping you're not carrying a weapon when you're going through the grocery store.
No, Most of the time, every day across the country.
Is this like the normal thing on the left now?
Like, apparently, like, you guys are all for law enforcement until it comes time to actually enforce the law.
Hey, Will, I have a question for you.
How many people do you think should have been murdered on January 6th?
How many people do you think the Capitol Police should have killed that day?
How many, just basically, I don't think your story of self-defense.
How many people should have killed anybody in the sense that I don't think Renee Goode should have been killed?
But I actually think the Ashley Babbittshaugh.
Justifiably could have been a good idea.
I'm asking you, how many justified dangerous things so did Ashley Babbitt?
She can't do that.
Well, I think, yeah, but I think that's the first position who needed to be able to do that.
But Will, the argument you and I had, Will, was about this phrase domestic terrorism.
And I made the point, which other people had raised anyway, which is, you know, that was on January the 6th.
By that criteria, by that criteria, you could argue that everyone that was violent that day was a domestic terrorist.
Would you agree with that?
You think I would?
I agree.
I think I have a broader view of domestic terrorism than apparently you do.
The use of violence or the threat of violence for political ends in this country is domestic terrorism.
And by that definition, both Renee Goode and Ashley Babbitt were domestic terrorists.
I have no problem saying that.
I don't think that applies to the people who were peacefully walking through the Capitol, for instance.
That's not violence.
But anybody who tried to swing at a cop on January 6th?
Yeah, that's domestic terrorism.
I said that on that day.
All right, Geraldo.
Geraldo, what do you feel?
I mean, we've discussed the domestic terrorism part, but we are living in a weird time where we all watch the same video, and yet many people can have completely different interpretations of what they're watching.
And I fear a lot of it.
I'm not saying this about Will, only you know, but I'm not disputing that you're saying what you're saying in good faith.
But I think so many people now do say stuff in bad faith.
They will see something, and if it doesn't suit their own side's agenda, they will argue black is white.
They just will, because that's where we've got to.
And it's fueled by social media.
And I also think social media is responsible for a lot of what was going on with the two women here with Renee Good and her partner, where you see the partner actively goading the ICE officers all on camera as well to make herself a bit of a social media hero, perhaps.
All of this is fueled by social media.
But where does that leave us as a society?
I think that that's an excellent question.
But I think the litmus test for this particular situation or this population, you cannot, if you have to wear a mask when you go to work, then inherently there is dishonor in the work that you're doing.
There's a reason why no law enforcement, absolutely not, in the United States of America, wear masks.
But for ICE agents, not even everybody in Customs and Border Patrol wear masks.
It is specifically for this population.
Why ICE Agents Wear Masks00:03:13
Why is that?
We have to ask ourselves, why is it that unique in all of the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers, this cadre is mask wearing?
It is because I submit they are doing work that is inherently unpopular.
They said they were going after the worst of the worst.
Instead, they're going after Rosa the Baker or Pablo the snow shoveler.
It is a cop-out.
I call on the president to end it.
Stop sending military units to enforce this specific law.
Be patient.
You have stopped the supply of undocumented immigrants into the country.
Be patient now.
Go after the worst of the worst.
Do police work.
Get warrants.
Get named warrants.
Stop stopping Latinos on the street because they happen to be brown and there's a probability or possibility that they're here without proper documentation.
Sort out a chaotic system and make it fair.
I just think that what happened in Minneapolis was an accident waiting to happen.
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I just want to quickly add parenthetically that I congratulate the young journalist who exposed the fraud in the Somali community in the Twin Cities.
I thought it was really gutsy, ballsy street reporting.
I'd like to think that that's the kind of stuff that I was doing in the 70s and 80s and 90s.
That's what I thought.
But a good was done.
But I also submit that you guys go to any community in the country.
We threw money at all of these nonprofits during COVID.
The president and then first Trump and then Biden, all they wanted was the economy to stay whole during the epidemic.
They threw money at everybody.
They allowed people to take wheelbarrows full of federal cash out of the building without proper documentation or follow-up of any kind.
I think that what's happening with the Somali community will be replicated from coast to coast if we have any guts in the justice.
Yeah.
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Okay.
I've got to leave it there.
Tim, you've got to get off.
Thank you all very much indeed for a fascinating debate.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, joining me now with his reaction to the shooting in Minnesota is the host of the Adam Corella show, Adam Corolla.
Adam, great to have you back on Uncensored.
This is one of those stories where I saw so many people take an immediate position before anyone really knew exactly what had happened or why it may have happened or understanding the motivations of the people involved, which is kind of a sign of the times, I guess.
And then as more and more video footage emerged, people got ever more entrenched into their views.
What's your view about what happened here?
Well, I'm always consistent and sort of philosophical about this, which is you have to be very careful when people have guns and you don't, whether they're law enforcement, whoever they are, if a person has a gun and you don't, you probably shouldn't spit on them or threaten them in any way or do anything.
And you can say, well, that's wrong.
Maybe it is.
And maybe their training should be better or maybe they should be less human, but they still have a gun and you don't.
So we should start just sort of based on that, whether it's a cop pulling you over or who knows?
By the way, who knows?
That guy could have caught his wife having a fair the night before, could have been drinking that day.
You know what I mean?
I'm just saying people go, oh, well, the cop was wrong.
I think the cop was wrong, but I still would like to see nobody get shot by cops.
So for the time being, treat them like people that have guns and you don't.
And it doesn't mean you can't protest and doesn't mean you can't debate.
But when it starts getting into automobiles or spitting or pushing, now you're getting into a gray area where they may use their gun.
See, I think everybody here made fundamental mistakes, probably based on in the cop's case, or the ICE officer's case, a false presumption that she was trying to cause him physical harm or run him over.
He might well have believed that.
I think it's very relevant, as I've discussed earlier, that a few months earlier, he was in a very similar situation as Guy, and he ended up being dragged by the car for several hundred yards.
I don't think that's irrelevant at all.
I think in that moment, he may have feared the same thing was happening and may genuinely have feared for his safety, right?
So who knows what was going to happen?
But we don't really know what was going through his mind.
No, but what I'm saying is, is if a cop has a gun and you don't, and all of a sudden you make a quick move to grab something out of your pocket, he may shoot you.
Right.
And what I'm basically saying is don't make that quick move.
Just comply, comply, comply.
Because every single one of these tragic shootings, it doesn't matter.
You know, here in the United States, we never get tired of talking about white cops shooting black people, motorists, and blah, blah, blah.
99.9% would be solved with compliance.
It would never happen.
I totally agree.
I mean, I would add as a non-American who's put his head over the parapet on this issue many times, not entirely successfully, that the presumption by law enforcement, quite understandably, in a country with 400 million guns in circulation, is that everyone they pull over may be armed and they don't know who they really are or what they may do.
And therefore, to your point, if you do absolutely nothing and do exactly what law enforcement tells you, then you're going to avoid a situation where any trigger movement of any kind may in their heads make them think there could be a gun involved or whatever, and they have to shoot you.
And also, the problem with human beings, and I mean, you can say cops, you can say training all you want, but at the end of the day, it's a human being.
If you have a weapon, if I have a gun and there's even a 2% chance you could hurt me, because people do this all the time.
They go, well, the cop shot the guy.
Well, all the guy had was a butter knife or he was just swinging around a bowling pin or something like that.
You go, if I have the gun and you don't, and there's 1% chance you could hurt me, whether it's a car or a butter knife, then oftentimes the person with the gun will do it, even if the odds are greatly in their favor.
Meaning, they are not taking any chances.
You know, they go, was she trying to run him over?
I don't think she was trying to run him over.
It doesn't look like her wheels were turned.
It doesn't matter.
That guy has two tenths of a second to decide whether he's trying to be run over or not.
And he's the one with the gun.
So do not put yourself in that position, everybody.
Yeah.
And there are other parts of this story, like, you know, what is a young mom doing out there protesting in the way that she was doing, you know, parking the car in the middle of the road, blocking the ICE officers from doing their work and so on.
It's clear from her partner who was there that this was a planned thing, a planned resistance, if you like.
We don't know the full extent yet of the group they were part of and so on.
But all of these are not irrelevant aspects to this story.
You know, there is a kind of slight dementia with people towards these issues, which I think, I think you said this, that people go slightly nuts and they lose their natural sense of caution.
Yeah, well, a couple things.
So just to summarize what I've said a million times about this or any other shooting, any situation like this, I basically say this.
You may decide that you would like to steal your neighbor's barbecue, which they keep on their back porch and use it for yourself.
And nine times out of ten, you can hop over your neighbor's fence and grab his barbecue and it'll be yours.
But one time out of 10, he may be cleaning his gun in the backyard and you may get shot.
And then people will say, the barbecue is $50.
You deserve to get shot over a $50 bar.
And the answer is no.
But once you jump over the fence, you're opening yourself up to that possibility.
And I'm saying don't go over the fence.
That's basically.
Yeah.
What do you feel generally about what ICE has been doing?
It's becoming incredibly divisive.
It seems to me most Americans agree with what Trump has done on the southern border.
They like the fact that the number of people coming in illegally on the border has virtually reduced to nothing from the millions under Biden.
I think most people don't seem to have much of a problem with people who are in America illegally to start with, who then commit crimes unconnected to their status, getting deported.
Most people agree with that.
The real flashpoint has been the removal of people who may have come in illegally originally or come in with their families, and then they've been responsible citizens, they've got jobs, they paid their taxes, they brought up family and so on.
And they're being targeted by these guys in masks bashing down Home Depot doors and so on.
What do you feel about what ICE has been doing?
Okay, so Biden leaving the border wide open was insane.
And now there's a mess to clean up.
So, you know, I don't think Trump and many supporters and people like myself, I didn't want to be in this position in the first place, but the border was left wide open.
And there's many people to gather up.
I totally agree that there should be a distinction between the criminal and the person that's been here, law-abiding, raising a family, so on and so forth.
I really don't know.
That subject would probably pull very badly, even amongst staunch Trump reporters, you know, supporters, I should say.
Nobody that I'm aware of wants the hardworking day laborer who's been here for 15 years is raising a family taken out of the country.
Now, I think in order of importance, I would like the cartel guys and the gangbangers and the human traffickers and blah, blah, blah.
At some point, when that's all done, then you can get down to the people that are playing by the rules, paying their taxes, raising their children, so on and so forth.
And then we can have a discussion about what that would look like.
That to me, but to assume that everybody ICE is going after is a hardworking mother of three who's just working as a maid and has been is all nonsense and BS.
Women Weaponized by Gangs00:04:28
And that's more narrative stuff that gets cooked up by the left.
And then they go out and fight and push and they essentially create chaos and then say they don't want chaos.
So it's essentially tons of chaos saying we don't want chaos and then saying, don't you want the chaos to stop?
And I'm like, yeah, I'd like the chaos to stop, but the answer isn't abolish ICE.
The answer is you keep your fat ass at home.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, that it seems to me I also think social media is a key component to whipping up a lot of this stuff.
Do you sense that we're in just very different times now?
Well, so what I've been sort of drilling down on on my podcast is there's so many women involved now.
And women are the majority of society.
I mean, you know, they're 51% or whatever it is, but it's half.
And women have been sort of weaponized.
They weren't like this in the past.
You go out and see the footage.
There's women screaming, shoot me, shoot me at ICE officers.
They're physically fighting with these people, with the ICE officers.
Yesterday, one spat in the face of one and then got tackled.
And when she was being tackled, she was yelling, what's going on?
And I realized they didn't grow up with rough and tumble play.
Mammals, male mammals, grow up wrestling, finding limits and pressure points.
And by the way, knowing who to mess with and who not to mess with.
I mean, you learn that real fast by getting punched in the face when you're 13.
So we get that and we can kind of govern ourselves.
Women don't grow up with rough and tumble play.
So they're having trouble with guidelines and limits and assessing danger.
And you see it every day.
First off, all they talk about is getting out and fighting.
And you have to, you know, I see fat, middle-aged school teachers saying, ICE, if you come to my classroom, you got to go through me first.
Well, you're 48, you're morbidly obese, and you're not armed and you have no training.
So they'll just knock you over.
There's all these proclamations, these narcissistic proclamations meets a blind spot, like literally pushing vans, you know, standing in front of 5,000-pound V8 vans and leaning on the hood and trying to push it back like you have some kind of superhero strength or something.
It's tons of women and tons of women who don't seem to understand what the limits are and who they're dealing with.
And I think it's because they didn't grow up testing it like we did.
Well, I thought Renee Good's partner, you know, who's on video being very defiant with the ICE officers, was clearly reveling in the resistance, as she would put it.
But to your point earlier, you know, had they shown zero resistance when ICE actually approached them, and had they been just model citizens and done what they were told, all of this would have almost certainly been avoided.
But there was a kind of gleeful impunity, particularly, I thought, from the wife on video towards them, almost like defying them.
There's nothing you can do about us.
And again, to your point, maybe it is just a modern phenomenon where they just don't understand the jeopardy that may put them in.
She's got a guy who's got a gun and she's calling him fat ass.
So that just there alone.
And you can go, oh, why are you defending these officers, Adam?
I'm really not.
I'm just saying I would like people not to get shot.
And I would say if the other side has a gun and you're spitting on them or pushing on them or insulting them, it ups the opportunities for you to get shot.
Final question.
Final question, Adam.
The Golden Globes saw a number of celebrities, Wanda Sykes, Mark Ruffalo, Ariana Grande, all wearing badges reading be good and ice out in support of Renee Goode.
Bill Maher's Conservative Drift00:02:19
Bill Maher responded by saying this.
Mark Ruffalo and Wanda Sykes also wearing a be good pin for Renee Good, obviously, and trying to use this platform for activism.
Do you feel that's effective or not?
Come on.
We're just here for show business today.
You know, it was a terrible thing that happened and it shouldn't have happened.
And if they didn't act like such thugs, it wouldn't have had to happen.
But I don't need to wear a pin about it.
What did you make of that response?
Yeah, I mean, Bill's pragmatic.
I think that's why he's drifting a little over to the slightly more conservative types of thoughts as the left gets loonier and nuttier.
You know, he's a Democrat and he's on the left, but the left is not Bill Clinton anymore.
He was, you know, Bill Maher was, you know, agreed with Bill Clinton in the 90s, but he's not, you know, with the transgender stuff and all the lunacy and after the fires and all the climate change crap and stuff, I don't think he's willing to go that nutty.
And he knows that wearing a stupid button or badge or flag or whatever you're putting on your lapel is not going to cure anything or fix anything or bring anybody back.
It's all virtue signaling.
And they're all idiots because there's much bigger fish to fry, much bigger problems, many more people being killed in other countries and here as well.
But they're always focused on the thing that's going to bring them popularity and make them feel the best about themselves.
You know what was noticeable to me?
Not a single one of them said anything about Iran and the protesters being killed in huge numbers.
You could set your watch on the irony.
It's really gays for Palestine.
Alec Roderick, great to have you back on our sensor.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Piers.
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