"They HATE America!" Trump Halts ‘Third World’ Migrants After Afghan Shooting
Two former heads of the UK Special Forces buried evidence of alleged war crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan, according to evidence given by a high-ranking officer to a public inquiry. It’s a stark reminder that Afghanistan was plunged into sheer hell by the war on terror, with at least 46,000 civilians killed. And as a final insult to injury, the withdrawal of US forces under President Biden was a complete and humiliating disaster. That’s the context for why many Afghans were allowed to move to the United States and to the UK and the context is important. But tragically, one of those Afghans - a 29-year-old man who had worked with the CIA - shot two National Guard members in DC on the eve of Thanksgiving, killing one and severely injuring the other. President Trump has now halted all immigration requests from Afghanistan and Afghan groups in the US are begging him not to tar all of them with the brush of this lone madman. Joining Piers Morgan to discuss the issue is congresswoman Rep. Nancy Mace, PBD Podcast’s ‘Angry Patriot’ Vinny Oshana, co-founder of Within Our Lifetime Nerdeen Kiswani and Retired U.S. Army Special Forces soldier Matt Tardio. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Dupe: Go to https://Dupe.com/PIERS today and find similar products for less. It’s 100% free to use. Stop wasting money on brand names and start saving with https://Dupe.com/PIERS today. Juvenon: Take care of your heart - Visit https://bloodflow7.com/Uncensored and Get 30% OFF your BloodFlow-7 order today Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Vetting Failures and Complexity00:10:06
I support deporting everybody at this point.
I want everybody out.
What about the many people who have not committed crimes?
I don't want us to turn into Europe or the EU.
Innocent people around the world are going to pay the price.
They're scapegoating immigrants instead of looking at the real root of the problem, which is U.S. imperialism.
It's not an attack on a Muslim community.
It's just a fact.
None of what's been said so far about all of the people that were brought here passes any basic sanity test.
Piers, who are we going to listen to?
An actual U.S. soldier who's been there that's been in the shit?
Or a guy that plays Fortnite?
And out of that 80,000, Stephen, you're acting like every day they're going to be bombing and everything.
Trump's been in for one year.
This is just a tip of the iceberg.
Two former heads of the UK Special Forces buried evidence of alleged war crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan, according to shocking evidence given by a high-ranking officer to a public inquiry.
The alleged crimes include the fatal shooting of a group of women and children as they hid under a mosquito net, with their killer later receiving an award to divert public suspicion.
I should stress these are just allegations, which the SAS vehemently denies.
And we're very proud of all of our armed forces in this country.
But it's a stark reminder that Afghanistan was plunged into sheer hell by the war on terror.
At least 46,000 civilians were killed in that war, the real total likely to be much higher.
Hundreds of thousands of Afghans worked with the United States and the British forces, risking execution by the Taliban.
As a final insult to injury, the withdrawal of US forces under President Biden was a complete humiliating disaster.
That's the context for why many Afghans were allowed to move to the United States and to the UK.
And the context is important.
Tragically, one of those Afghans, a 29-year-old man who had worked with the CIA, shot two National Guard members in DC on the eve of Thanksgiving, killing one and severely injuring the other.
A visibly angry, President Trump blamed the Biden administration.
Why do you blame the Biden administration?
Because they let them in.
Are you stupid?
Are you a stupid person?
Because they came into on a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here.
And you're just asking questions because you're a stupid person.
And there's a law passed that it's almost impossible not to get them out.
You can't get them out once they come in.
And they came in and they were unvetted, they were unchecked.
There were many of them.
And they came in on big planes and it was disgraceful.
Well, Trump has now halted all immigration requests from Afghanistan.
The White House is now threatening to escalate deportations for Afghans, meaning many people who work with the United States against the Taliban could be returned to a country controlled by the Taliban.
Earlier this year, it emerged that thousands of Afghans had been secretly invited to the UK to avoid exactly that scenario.
UK officials had accidentally ousted them, endangering entire families, and the whole thing was shamefully covered up.
But once the mistake was exposed, what choice did Britain have?
The issue surely is not the principle of helping Afghans who served our forces, but the way it's been done.
This was Biden's Homeland Security Chief, Alejandro Mayorkis, testifying in the Senate.
The standard procedure is an in-person interview for refugees or visa applicants.
Now, you've testified that you're not doing those interviews.
Not at all.
You are correct that we are not conducting in-person, full refugee interviews of 100% of the individuals.
What percentage are you conducting?
I don't have that information.
What number have been interviewed?
What percentage have been given an actual interview by a trained official before they come to the country?
When you're speaking of a full refugee-like interview, I don't have that data.
Well, Afghan groups in the United States are begging Trump not to tar all of them with the brush of this lone madman, but it's frankly hard to see any other outcome.
Many Afghans have paid a heavy price for other people's mistakes, and the price is about to get even higher.
I'll be joined by my panel to discuss all this in a moment.
First, joining me now is Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace.
Congresswoman Mace, thank you very much indeed for rejoining me on Uncensored.
Of course, thank you for having me.
This is obviously a horrifying incident to have happened with deadly consequences.
What is your overview about the significance of it and what America should do by way of response?
Well, number one, my heart bleeds for the families who are grieving today and who are praying for the second National Guardsman who's still fighting for his life.
And I'm praying for Sarah's family.
It's devastating.
These soldiers volunteered their lives to protect our country, shot, one murdered, assassinated, the other one fighting for his life right now.
The second thing that I want to say is that I believe President Biden created this problem and Donald Trump, President Trump is the one cleaning it up.
I agree with the president to go back and vet those individuals that came over here from countries of concern because from what we're learning now, the vetting wasn't what it was supposed to be.
It's deeply concerning.
I also support President Trump in pausing the immigration for individuals that are coming from countries of concern.
And thank God President Trump got elected because he shut the border down.
We know that under four years of President Biden, our southern border was wide open.
We had hundreds of potential terrorists coming through the southern border every single year on the terrorist watch list.
And these are the kinds of things that we have to be very vigilant about.
The problem with all this is not that Ramanullah LeCamwal, the killer, became a terrorist and committed an act of terror against these two National Guard members.
The problem is that prior to that, he would have been categorized as somebody who'd been quite heroic, working for the United States as part of a secret unit of Afghans hunting down the Taliban under CIA direction, often in highly dangerous missions.
They were members of what was called the Zero units.
They were among the most extensively vetted of any of the Afghans who worked with American forces.
The CIA hailed their bravery, their skill, their loyalty.
And the agency prioritized their evacuation from Afghanistan following the fall of Kabul in 2021 because they were prime targets for the Taliban.
So when you take everything in totality, obviously this character, LeCamwal, has gone crazy and has committed a despicable act.
But I guess my question for you is, given the background of him and people like him who were risking their life on behalf of the United States, this adds a complexity to the story, doesn't it?
Well, you're categorizing it as a collective group of individuals, a large group of individuals, that we had American soldiers that were begging the U.S. to allow their translators to come over to the U.S. and work with them and help save American lives.
And many people supported that.
However, there was supposed to be a vetting mechanism to make sure that some people didn't slip through the cracks.
And so we have not seen any more information about this individual.
And I would debate you on the problem isn't that he shot the guardsman.
It is the problem.
I mean, he literally just murdered a young woman Friday.
She died and passed away.
Sarah died and passed away on Friday.
So that is the crux of the problem.
He came into our country.
No, no, sure.
Don't get me wrong.
No, no, sorry, just to be clear, I completely concur with you about that.
There's nothing about what he did that is anything other than a despicable act of terrorism and should be treated accordingly.
I just think the complexity is in the way America now responds with all the other Afghan soldiers, for example, or translators, interpreters and so on who came back after serving on behalf of the United States.
That is the complexity of the bigger picture.
Well, that's where I want to see the DOJ and other agencies, DHS and others, explain how this individual was vetted.
What information did we have?
Was he vetted?
Were there signs prior so that we can improve the vetting process going forward as well?
And look, the president has said he wants to go back and vet all these individuals.
And I support him.
It's going to be a long and arduous process, but we have to do that for the safety of American lives.
And I fully support that.
I think there's something to be learned from this experience as well.
I mean, the lesson, it seems to me, that could be most acutely learned from this is that he appears to have been suffering increasing problems in his life.
One email cited by the Associated Press warned that Raman Lula has not been functional as a person, father, and provider of March last year.
He quit his job.
He shot himself in a darkened room for days.
He stopped responding even to his wife and older children.
Should the United States government, when they bring people like this person back to the United States, albeit for well-intentioned reasons, yes, they should be properly vetted, obviously.
But as we know from homegrown incidents involving American citizens who served and then go crazy, as we've seen in the UK, similar stories where perfectly decent, upstanding members of the armed forces go mad and commit terrible acts.
It can happen, particularly if they've been to war.
Yes, they should be properly vetted.
But should there be an ongoing process of duty of care, stroke vetting, that continues, that flags up people like this who are clearly beginning to disintegrate in their lives?
Well, I would be supportive of that.
I don't know what the details of our vetting process are or if they do continue.
I mean, there might be some process that is already in place to watch people or monitor if there is suspicious behavior.
But it's not just soldiers that go to war and come home that then become a risk.
Epstein Files Release Concerns00:09:49
There are a lot of people.
We know that during COVID and coming out of COVID, a lot of mental illness came forward.
And you talk about the transgender issue.
There are a lot of mental health issues there.
We've seen people turn violent because of that.
But it's not just soldiers.
I think there's an even larger problem across the board of people taking to the streets and violating people, whether it's physical assault, shooting an ICE officer, burning down the streets of LA, cars being blown up in LA, you name it.
We do have a problem with violence.
And it's not just in America.
Look at the immigrants that have come into Europe and what they've done.
I mean, you've got teenage girls in England trying to defend themselves with knives, being threatened with arrests or being arrested because they don't want to be raped by these violent immigrants who are coming in from these countries of concern into their own countries.
And so I think it's a much bigger problem across the board, not just in America, but everywhere.
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In terms of action moving forward, there are those who are calling for the deportation of all Afghans who came into the U.S. via the GAW, the GORE program.
Do you support that?
I support deporting everybody at this point.
I mean, I'm looking at the Somalis in places like Michigan and Minnesota that are using autism money from the government to fund terrorism at this point.
I want everybody out.
I just, I just can't.
But what do you mean by everybody out?
People that are coming to our country and doing harm, stealing government money, marrying.
I mean, that's different.
If they commit a crime, that they're...
It is a crime, though.
That is fraud is a crime.
No, I mean, sorry, just to be clear, to be clear.
If they commit a crime, yes, I think there's absolutely, they should be deported.
But what about the many people who have not committed crimes who've come from Afghanistan or Somalia?
Well, we have a history in our country of embracing people who've come from war and torn countries and are seeking asylum, who are seeking those sorts of things.
Those are the things that America believes in and we support.
But we've allowed all these people in who have broken up.
We've allowed people to illegally cross our border, steal money from our government, you know, and just get away with it.
And I'm quite frankly, like most Americans, sick and tired of it.
And then I don't want us to turn into Europe or the EU.
You're seeing what's going on over there.
And if we continue down the path we are right now, we're going to be just like them.
And we can't have that here.
Right.
But just to be clear then, because I'm not quite clear what your position is, you would deport all Afghanis and all Somalians in the United States.
Those who are committing crimes or at risk of committing crimes, I want them out.
I want them out of the country.
Those who've committed crimes, I'm with you.
But those who look like they're likely to, how do you assess that?
Well, we were just talking about the vetting process.
If they look suspicious, I want them out.
At this point, I don't even care.
I want the safety of our country to be primary concern number one.
And that's what President Trump is doing.
He's the one that's looking at it.
He's cleaning up the problem that Joe Biden created.
And I fully support it.
I mean, I want to crack down.
I don't want anybody coming from any of these countries of concern.
I'm fine with stopping all immigration from Afghanistan or Pakistan.
You know, these places where people are coming in and appear to try to be doing harm.
I want it to stop.
We've got to look out for American citizens.
We have to put them first.
Just switching to something else, the Epstein files.
You've long championed the victims of sexual abuse, a horror you've talked about enduring yourself.
And you've teamed up with Marjorie Telly Green to campaign for the release of the Epstein files.
They still haven't been released.
There are growing concerns that when they do get released, they may have heavy redactions.
Do you think that is going to assuage the concerns of the American people?
Or do you think they should just be put out there?
I think we need to put this thing through regardless.
I think that I have the same concerns as the American people about over-redacting.
I also have concerns about information that won't be redacted.
I am very concerned that names of victims will be included.
So I'm actually been in communication with the DOJ to make sure that that does not happen.
I want to make sure that we're protecting the victims and any possible child sexual abuse material, et cetera.
But I am concerned that the information won't get out there.
I am concerned that predators and rapists and sex traffickers won't get prosecuted out of this thing, no matter how many files are released.
I'm deeply concerned about that.
We've seen it in so many cases, whether it's Jeffrey Epstein, whether it's the investigation that I initiated two years ago.
It just feels like if you're a woman and you come forward, you are ignored because you are not believed regardless of the evidence that is out there.
And those are the things that I'm fighting for.
Every woman, every girl, and some men too, by the way, who've had, who've been victims of this sort of thing.
And that's where I think there's such deep frustration in both parties.
It's not just Republicans and Democrats.
What I learned through Epstein is that both sides, whether you're Republican, Democrat, Independent, they want the truth.
They want predators to go to jail.
And that just doesn't happen in this country.
And I'm, you know, looking, I'm running for governor right now.
I'm looking at the justice system in South Carolina where murderers walk free, where rapists see no jail time, where child molesters get a day in jail.
I mean, that's the kind of justice system that I'm seeing every single day in bright red South Carolina.
And I'm saying enough is enough.
And Epstein is only the beginning.
Has the Epstein scandal been badly handled by the Trump administration?
They took everybody up the hill saying we're going to release it all and then they shut it all down.
And it seems like they've been kind of bullied now into being properly transparent.
Are you disappointed with how long it's taken them to release this?
Well, I want to set the record straight.
Number one, President Trump never asked me to get off the discharge petition.
There were rumors out there about that sort of thing.
He never did that.
Number two, we saw President Trump come around and say, release all the files.
Even before that, it was President Trump who said, hey, release all of the jury files from the indictments.
Release all those files.
It was President Trump that kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.
It was President Trump, who my understanding is did sit down with authorities.
And according to those emails, Jeffrey Epstein thought that President Trump was the snitch.
So, you know, we're talking about a man who hasn't been given, I believe, enough credit.
And when I was, when we were voting on releasing the files, getting the 218 on the discharge petition, all the press wanted to do was say President Trump's name over and over again.
And I sat there with deep frustration saying, what about the stories of the women?
What about the stories of the men who raped 14-year-old girls?
What about the innocence of these women who was stolen at a very young age and never gotten back?
And nobody's ever gone to jail.
It's not the president.
The president was there, I believe, protecting women.
And I've seen President Trump, like just a couple of weeks ago, he helped me get brain surgery for a young woman.
He helped me bail another woman out of a Bosnian prison a couple of weeks ago over a very minor passport issue.
So anytime I've gone to the president for an issue with a woman or a girl, he's just always been there and supported us.
So, you know, I just have been very protective of him.
And I think he's done a great job as president.
As a friend of both of them, are you sad about the split between him and Marjorie Taylor Green?
I don't like any party violence inside the party.
I don't like it at all.
I think that we need to be united in fighting the far left and what they've done to the country, the invasion, the crime, you know, those sorts of things.
And so I don't like to see any.
But, you know, look, I can't, I'm going to, I'm not going to be a hypocrite here either, though.
I think it's important to call our own party out.
I mean, I've called Congressman Corey Mills of Florida out for stolen valor and alleged abuses toward women.
So I think it's important that when you're holding people accountable, you can't just look at the opposite party, your opposition, your political opposition.
You need to look inside your own party as well and do the same thing, no matter what their affiliation is.
Have you offered to be the Kofi Anan peacemaker between the two warring factions?
That's a great idea.
I have not yet, but that's honestly, that's not a bad idea.
I'm seeing a peace summit at your office with the president and Marjorie.
I love that.
Let's do it.
Congresswoman, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
I appreciate it.
As always.
Joining me to debate this PBD podcast, Angry Patriot Binny Ashana, liberal streamer, Destiny, the co-founder of Within Our Lifetime, Nadine Kizwani, and Matt Tardio, who's the podcaster and retired U.S. Army Special Forces soldier.
Well, welcome to all of you.
Let me start with you, Nadine.
Welcome back to Uncensored.
Obviously, this is a despicable act of terrorism against two members of the National Guard and has rightly caused outrage.
At the same time, there are calls for now every Afghan that was brought to the United States, many of whom risked their own lives during the war to fight against the Taliban, to now be deported back to Afghanistan where they could meet possible death at the hands of the Taliban they fought.
So this is a complicated issue.
Afghanistan War Context00:02:09
What is your view about what has happened here?
I mean, as you mentioned, I believe in the previous segment, the shooter previously served in one of the U.S.-backed paramilitary units in Afghanistan that's been funded by the CIA.
So I think if the U.S. had never invaded or occupied Afghanistan and never built or armed proxy forces, the shooter or someone like him wouldn't have ended up here, you know, committing the act that he did.
So, you know, this is constant blowback.
And we see this to be a lot of fun.
Well, you could go back further, though, couldn't you?
If you were being reasonable about it, you could go back to if Osama bin Laden hadn't ordered the terror attacks on the World Trade Center that killed nearly 3,000 people, then it wouldn't have been necessary for U.S. forces to go into the country that had been harmed by the United States.
But who funded Al-Qaeda?
Well, I mean, it's not a problem.
Again, you can go back as long as you want, but I think to put it in context, obviously the reason that the United States were fighting in Afghanistan was as a response to 9-11.
So that is the context.
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Not An Isolated Incident00:10:09
I mean, at the end of the day, Afghanistan, the people of Afghanistan weren't guilty for 9-11.
It's these constant wars.
It's these constant attempts at regime change.
It's the creation of refugees, the destabilization of the Middle East that's constantly going to create this scenario at the end of the day.
I mean, and the fact that the National Guard shouldn't have been in DC to begin with.
I mean, Sarah, the woman who was shot, had told her boyfriend that she felt like being there was pointless.
You know, it's really a show of force to distract from multiple things that Trump ran on and failed on.
He ran on affordability.
He ran on ending foreign wars.
Yet they're trying to enact regime change in Iran and Venezuela.
They're continuing to arm genocide and Ghaza continuing to arm the bombing of Lebanon.
And at the end of the day, this is going to create blowback where people in the U.S. are going to pay the price.
People around the world, innocent people around the world are going to pay the price, whether with their tax dollars, with their lives, with the decline of the economy.
And this is all a distraction at the end of the day.
They're scapegoating immigrants instead of looking at the real root of the problem, which is U.S. imperialism wreaking havoc, pillaging people around the world and not caring, not doing anything to solve these issues here.
I mean, like you also mentioned in the previous segment, how many U.S. veterans come back and commit violence at home?
You know, so I don't think it's an isolated incident and they just want to use what happened in DC to scapego all immigrants instead of looking at the real cause of the issue.
The Warhawks and neocons in Washington, the architects of occupation and regime change in Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela, creating the instability that forces people to flee.
I mean, you know, one minute they're calling people, HTS and other groups in Syria terrorists.
Another minute they're meeting with them.
Then they're funding them.
You know, it's all political convenience.
All right.
Viny Ashar, your response to that.
Well, first of all, saying that, oh, if he wasn't, if Sarah wasn't in Washington dressing uniform, she wouldn't get shot is complete bullshit.
Because guess what?
If it wasn't her, you don't think this Afghani terrorist would have found somebody else to shoot, just a regular person.
And I'm going to go back, Piers.
This all goes down.
And as my veteran brother will attest, the most abysmal withdrawal Afghanistan.
We could talk about why we're there.
And I'll agree with you when 9-11 and all that was complete BS.
If everything that followed 9-11 with the illegal war, but how do you bomb a country for 20 years and then Biden with Alejandro Mayorkes, you let in 80,000 people, no documentation.
You can't vet them.
There's no paperwork on them.
And what do you expect for them to do while they're here?
And that's exactly what happened.
Okay.
You can't assume that these people are going to love America.
They hate America, Piers.
They absolutely hate America.
And there needs to be accountability for Mallorca and the entire administration for letting these people in on top of Afghanistan.
What about our border?
There's 2 million getaways, Piers.
That's the freaking population of Nebraska.
We don't know who they are.
We don't know what their intentions are.
And these people hate America, Piers.
Plain and simple.
There's no paperwork.
There's no nothing.
And this is just a tip of the iceberg.
This is just a tip of the iceberg.
What this guy gets to Sarah, God rest her soul, it's not going to stop.
Just like she just said, it's going to keep happening.
It's going to keep getting worse.
And Trump has no other choice.
Piers, it's funny how everybody blames Trump because this is the situation he's been giving.
But nobody, nobody on the left wants to blame Biden and Alejandro Mayorkes.
Why is that?
Why is that?
I'm just curious.
Okay.
Anybody, anybody explain that to me?
Well, let me bring Matt Tadio in.
You're a former U.S. Army Special Forces soldier.
You served in Afghanistan.
First of all, it seems to me that at the crux of this problem, there's been a catastrophic failure, both in the withdrawal that we all watched in horror on television, the way that was carried out, which involves a lot of deaths at the time.
There was a sense of a duty of care to many Afghanis who had served alongside U.S. forces and UK forces and others to preserve their safety from the Taliban they had been attacking, which made perfect sense.
But there's also been a systematic failure, it seems, of vetting with many people who were brought back to the United States not being properly vetted, not even having face-to-face interviews.
So the whole thing seems to have been incredibly badly handled.
What is your view here about, first of all, what happened with these two National Guardsmen and what this Afghani retired soldier had done?
Yeah, what happened to the two National Guardsmen was clearly an act of terror.
100%, make no mistake about it, it was an act of terror.
And just because he ended up serving with U.S. forces over inside of Afghanistan for a period of time doesn't ensure that he is not going to commit acts of terror.
At one point in time, over in Afghanistan for a very long period of time, we ended up having something called the Guardian Angel Program, where we would have to have soldiers dedicated to watching our backs at all times 24-7 to make sure we weren't getting shot in the back.
These were known as green on blue incidents.
They were profound.
They were happening all the time.
One of our officers ended up getting shot in the head while he was on a Skype call with his wife, right?
The guy ended up walking in to the place where he was making this phone call and shot him right in the back of the head, right?
This is not an isolated incident seeing things like this happen.
And it's also not the only time, all right?
And we are not painting all Afghans this way.
I was talking to a man who I signed his SIV paperwork to come into the United States of America that I know is a good, honest, hard-loving, hard-working citizen.
A lot of these people have done more for the United States of America than most Americans.
However, comma, that doesn't take away from the fact that they were not vetted and that we did have terrorists come to this country.
Joe Kent, Joe Kent, went before Congress and testified and stated that we've had thousands, thousands of known terrorist-affiliated Afghans come into the United States of America because they were not vetted.
I have interviewed the soldiers and Marines who were on the ground at HKIA over in Kabul, and they will tell you that they weren't even given proper training on the paperwork that they should have been screening before they were coming on the base.
And then you had members from the Department of State that would walk up to them and tell them, forget about the paperwork or add different things going on to it.
It was an absolute joke.
And so, yes, we do need to make sure we're going through and we do need to make sure that we're properly vetting these people.
It's not an attack on the Muslim community.
It's just a fact.
But you've given some fascinating background there and some color to it, but you've also highlighted, I guess, the problem here and how it gets dealt with in terms of going forward.
Because there are clearly some Afghan people that were brought back from the war that you believe are good, decent people who served America's interests at great personal risk to their own lives, who you, I presume you would feel that there's a duty of care to and that they should be allowed to stay.
So how do you determine who stays and who is thrown out?
By doing the proper due diligence, people that got on the airplane that had photocopies of somebody else's paperwork have absolutely no business being in the United States of America.
And unfortunately, because of Joe Biden, we have to go back and check all of this paperwork to make sure the right people are here in this country.
I spoke to one of those Afghans just the other day who's here living in the United States of America.
And he's just as pissed off as everybody else in the country because these jihadists are wrecking the United States and are trying to kill Americans.
Over inside of Fort Worth, Texas, there was a terror attack that just got thwarted by DPS authorities over outside of Texas.
Last year in November, there were two Afghan ISIS-affiliated terrorists that got arrested that were going to plan an election day shooting terror attack.
They bought hundreds of rounds of ammunition and two AK-47s from an informant.
And so again, they just got busted and they got sentenced last week.
Now, Trump came out on, what was it, Friday, and he said on Friday that we're going to be looking over everybody else's paperwork.
And then all of a sudden, this terror attack ends up happening, right?
So it was a Friday before the terror attack.
Trump had came out and said that.
And it was two days after the sentencing for one of those terrorists.
This is not an isolated incident.
It's 100% the fault of the vetting of what took place on the ground.
Pierce, not just me, not just me, but tons of my brothers ended up getting signal messages during the Afghan withdrawal telling us that we'd get paid thousands of dollars if we had an active passport and we could get our butts to the East Coast.
That's how piss poor this operation was planned.
And so to sit here and pretend like people hanging off the side of a C-17 and falling to their death was somehow a great operation and we managed to properly vet everybody is a joke.
It's an absolute joke.
Even May Orkis admitted in a separate interview with Lindsey Graham for a congressional inquiry.
Even he admitted there is no way that he can 100% state that we have vetted 100% of these people.
Not properly vetted, just vetted.
It just didn't happen.
It didn't occur.
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Final point.
The final point I'd make, Matt, before I go to Destiny, is there have been, of course, numerous examples of American citizens who've served in the armed forces who've gone crazy, right?
Because of their time serving, because of war, having an impact on their mental health, whatever it may be.
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And they do commit appalling acts.
That has happened.
We don't know yet really enough about what this person did, Le Camwal, other than it appears he was deteriorating in his own life, stopped talking to his wife, his kids, and so on.
Clear red flags being put up here, but may have been going.
We just don't know.
I don't want to suppose what it was, but it may have been that he was just going through a severe PTSD style reaction to his warfare, whatever, and then went crazy and commits this terrible act.
No amount of betting.
I don't know if he was vetted or not yet, but no amount of betting would pick up that.
Do you think there's also a failure of duty of care ongoing with veterans of all kinds, whether they're U.S. citizens or foreign nationals who serve with the U.S. military brought back to the United States?
Yeah, you know, I think there is a real misconception on what PTSD is and how it actually works.
I'm a huge PTSD advocate for our veterans, and I do think that there needs to be a hell of a lot more care that gets poured into our veterans.
At the same time, using PTSD as an excuse doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Why would he go target two U.S. service members if he was having problems with PTSD after disappearing for several months?
Because he was fighting side by side with them.
He wouldn't certainly go shoot them in the head, right?
Do you think he got radicalized?
We have had.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
100%.
You know, we know that probably he got out around 2017, 2018 estimated right now until we get all the paperwork that ends up coming out.
So you have a big time gap right there, right?
A huge time gap.
Now, those guys over inside of Oklahoma that ended up getting arrested last year for the election day plot, they were also here on SIVs.
Some of them allegedly didn't have proper paperwork when they came to the country.
Biden administration ends up granting it to them anyways.
Now, at the same time, over in Afghanistan, 2016, 17, 18, we got really hot and heavy into the war against ISIS-K.
Hadnadin ended up saying that, listen, the Taliban aren't the people of Afghanistan.
That's a lie.
I hate to tell you that, but it's a lie.
The Taliban, quite literally, are the people of Afghanistan.
Unless you're talking about the Pakistani Taliban, then it's a different story.
But then we can go into history and we can talk about the border issues that ended up happening with a drunk British officer and Russians going into Afghanistan and pushing them across the border.
The people inside of Afghanistan, 100%, are the Taliban.
In 2012, when I was over there, it was very rare to see a Taliban flag flying across the villages.
In 2016, 17 and 18, when I was over there, they were everywhere, Pierce.
My very last operation, driving off of a target back to the base, there's Taliban flags just flying all throughout these villages.
They have cemeteries with Taliban flags planted, everything.
You had police officers, military, everybody that was like affiliated with the Taliban in one way, shape, or form.
We can even get workers to come onto camp with proper vetting because they also had affiliations with ISIS and the Taliban.
It's not a joke.
This needs to get looked at.
And absolutely, the people that served side by side with U.S. veterans over there have every right, in my opinion, in most veterans' opinions, to be in this country because they have done more for this country than most Americans.
But to sit here and try to claim that we're going after Muslims or that we're going after anybody else is a lie.
Those same Muslims that myself and my brothers invited into this country and signed our name to would stand side by side and vouch for the exact same things that I'm saying.
That there is evil in that country and that it is involved within the civilian population and trying to claim otherwise is a freaking lie.
And it's doing absolutely nobody any good.
And those types of lies are what gets people killed inside of the United States of America.
Well, it seems like the U.S. made the problem worse because in your own statement, you said when you first started going into there, you didn't see the Taliban flags.
And then by the time, you know, decades later, you know, it's worse.
And it's the city of the world.
Do you want to talk about the real problem?
Let's talk it.
No, it's not destabilization and a power vacuum.
There's a power vacuum and destabilization that existed before we went there.
That's just a fact, right?
The Taliban ran the country.
We ended up putting in a government.
The United States government has absolutely zero business, as far as I'm concerned, or most veterans are concerned, going in and trying to conduct a regime change in any type of country.
We suck when it comes to nation building.
Our record's horrible.
Even if we look at Iraq and we talk about what's going on over inside of Iraq and them trying to pass laws for nine-year-old girls to be able to get married to grown men, right?
That's exactly what I would call a huge victory for democracy, right?
But over inside of Afghanistan, the moment we pull out, the moment we pull out, we have six-year-old girls getting married off to grown men.
10% of the girls inside of Afghanistan under the age of 15 end up getting married off.
And I think it's an absurd number.
It's like 60% or something like that end up getting married off before they're even 18.
And this is their families selling them off to older grown men.
And don't even get me started on chai boys to sit here and pretend like you should be able to get it.
I do want to bring out.
Hang on, Nadine.
I will come back to you.
I do want to bring in Destiny.
He's been waiting very patiently.
Destiny, you posted on X, they, the National Guards, weren't protecting DC.
They couldn't even make arrests.
They were sent there to die by Donald Trump and his cronies so they could wire up the base to distract them from the monumental failing of every single part of this administration.
Now, people have criticized you for this because they say it just shouldn't matter whether they were there for legitimate reasons or whether you question the politics behind it or whatever.
That shouldn't mean that they are a target for terrorists.
The main point is that Donald Trump is using whatever he can to expand his power over the executive, to send more troops to whatever state or district he wants for no other reason than to just antagonize the population.
The idea that you can send a thousand National Guardsmen to DC or to California, two places where he's currently losing federal cases about his authority to even do this and somehow magically fix all the crime there is the is the naivety of a 12-year-old.
None of what's been said so far about all of the people that were brought here passes any basic sanity test.
There were some 77,000 people that came from Afghanistan.
The idea that we didn't vet any of them and only one or two extreme instances of any kind of violence or planned violence has happened.
It just doesn't pass a basic sanity test.
Where are all of the terrorist attacks that should be happening?
If we really brought over almost 80,000 people and didn't vet them at all, also the idea that there was no vetting whatsoever is contraindicated by the statements of our own government.
Nobody's saying there was no vetting.
They're not saying there was no vetting.
Just to be clear.
There's no way that's not the case.
But what is crystal clear is that they weren't all vetted.
And what is also crystal clear is that some of the people who were brought over have clearly either were radicalized to start with and slipped through the net or have become radicalized since arriving in the U.S.
That is why this guy shot the two National Guards.
We have no idea why this shooting happened.
Anybody jumping on you, Nancy Maces, the two gentlemen on this panel.
Okay, then how do you, okay, then how do you account for the guy last week that was planning on building a car bomb, literally talked about putting explosives inside of a car over in Fort Worth and attacking Americans that were against the Afghans and against the Taliban?
The reason why you have the gun was the guy that you're talking about.
Shout out to him.
No, we're talking about vetting one.
No, no, no.
We're talking about vetting Afghans.
We're talking about vetting Afghans here in the United States of America.
You want to talk about that guy.
You don't want to talk about that.
That's what the topic is.
They want to talk about responsibility.
The topic isn't about the pullout from Afghanistan.
I'm curious.
Who negotiated that plan?
Who negotiated that plan?
Tell me.
Can you even say who negotiated the plan?
Can you even say you negotiated?
I'll tell you that Donald Trump negotiated the plan, and on congressional record in November, and this comes from the former Joint Chief of Staff in November, Donald Trump planned to do the pullout.
Then, when the Joint Chief went to him and told him, No, no, no, no, you can't do that because the Taliban is going to take over.
Donald Trump immediately resented the order within 24 hours.
It was under Joe Biden that he tried to pull out of the country.
That is fact.
It's on congressional.
He didn't withdraw.
Go look at the congressional.
You might not like it, Destiny, but it's a fact.
We just hear it.
If we want to do that, the Doha agreement was on there.
The Doha agreement was done by Trump.
Then the Taliban violated the Doha Agreement, so we weren't going to pull out.
That's why Joe Biden fell in in the situation that he did.
Now, you might not like facts.
One of Donald Trump's chief complaints is when he left office that it was congressional record.
Okay, let me jump in.
Let me jump in.
Let me jump in.
Look, what is inarguable is that when the withdrawal happened, the president was Joe Biden, and he had been for many months.
It was on his granted that who granted the shooter aye.
He granted the shooter the testimony of the campaign.
He could have got an asylum.
He could have ripped up any plans if he wanted to.
He went ahead with that plan, and it was a total fiasco.
And we all watched it on live television.
Let's not try and let Biden off the hook.
He can blame Trump.
I'm not letting Biden off the hook.
I like holding on.
I like to do that.
I like to hold Trump as the president right now.
I like to hold presidents for account for what happens on their watch.
I think it's a fair thing.
And the shooting happened on Trump's watch.
Yes.
The shooting right now happened on Trump's watch.
Yes, it did.
So the question then is correct.
The question then is.
In the week prior to that, he said we need to, in the week prior to the shooting, he said we need to go through and re-vet everybody.
Didn't he?
Did he not?
Didn't you just say there was no paper?
Didn't he just say that we needed to go through and revet them?
That's exactly how you revet them.
I said that they have photocopies of paperwork, and that comes from testimony of Marines and soldiers that were on the ground saying that they were photocopying paperwork and that members from the Department of State would go up to the soldiers that were on the ground, screening the paperwork, and at times told them, don't even worry about it because it's all screwed up at this point.
That's what ended up happening.
How do you like facts?
Over 100,000 if there are 80,000 of them.
I just explained that the doctors I saw brought in under this particular program.
Why would you not want them all vetted personally?
Where all of the terrorists are doing?
A vehicle-borne IED.
Are you not going to acknowledge the fact there's a vehicle born on that?
My question for Destiny is: why would you not want all of them re-vetted in light of this appalling attack?
Because this is security theater.
It's a waste of time to say we're going to re-vet.
We're going to have to do it.
It's like when Doe's going to be able to do it.
A waste of time to see that any more have been radicalized, given they weren't.
Are you going to revet every single one?
It doesn't mean anything.
What do you mean, re-vet?
What does that even mean?
They just said no.
There's no real credit.
You check their credentials to see if they're here on false credentials.
And if they are, why would they have been granted entrance into the United States if they were here under false credentials?
It doesn't matter.
Do you know how the SIV works?
That is well known.
Destiny, do you, Destiny?
Do you know how the SIV program works?
The special immigrant visa program works for these Afghans that were coming here to the United States, what they needed to have paperwork-wise in order to vet them.
Yes or no?
Yes, I do.
Okay, perfect.
So, guys like me who put my name on an official memorandum and said, this person should be here.
Here's my contact information.
Now, if somebody sends me an email that says, is this the person you vouch for?
And the face looks like somebody else.
And I say no, that's how you properly vet them.
There's a lot of different ways you can go about doing it.
And when there's multiple copies of the same paperwork for different people that ended up coming into this country, somebody's getting kicked out.
And when we have somebody that planned on conducting a vehicle-borne IED attack in Texas just a couple of days ago that got busted for doing it, you don't think it's important.
You would rather watch Americans get blown up.
You're trying to make the claim that somebody could have, please stop with the virtue signaling.
We only have so much time.
You're making the claim that we could have vetted this stuff before it ever got to the United States.
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For this recent shooting, we don't even know what the motivation was.
There's no guarantee this guy had five kids and lived in Washington.
How are you going to, what are you vetting for to even know that these guys are going to be able to do that?
We know what the motivation is for the two guys in Oklahoma, and we know what the motivation is for the guy down in Dallas.
All Afghans here on SIVs.
And what would you pay back for you to catch that?
Let me bring in Vinny.
I want to bring in.
Let me bring in the others.
I want to bring in Vinny.
Vinny.
Well, I want to say one thing with all due respect.
I'm not going to call a grown man Destiny.
His name is Steven.
So, Stephen, I mean, Piers, who are we going to listen to?
An actual U.S. soldier who's been there that's been in this shit or a guy that plays Fortnite.
You play video games.
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
How about this, Stephen?
How about not let zero of them in here?
Zero, because we were bombing the shit out of them for 20 years and you can't vet them.
He's actually making a good point.
You can't vet them because people have different freaking motives.
And out of that 80,000, Stephen, you're acting like every day they're going to be bombing and everything.
Trump's been in for one year.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
And it's going to keep on having.
Hold on, hold on, Stephen.
Let me finish.
How many people do you want to see a single bad immigrant from any country?
You can vet them.
Is that the pregnancy?
Guess what?
They might be biding their time.
Stephen, they might be biding their time.
And I'm sorry with all disrespect.
I don't want to listen to any.
I want to listen to you.
Let me just finish.
Let me finish.
Stephen.
Stephen, are you the guy that was celebrating the fireman Corey Compatour that was shot?
You were celebrating that he died at Butler.
You're the same guy that celebrates.
Nobody is celebrating.
The only person that's celebrating the United States.
No, no, no, no.
Steven.
I know exactly who you are.
The public needs to know who you are.
You're blaming the shooter on your own.
You're blaming.
Registered Republican.
Crazy.
You're blaming your Trump for everybody.
Listen, Stephen, you are a scumbag.
I don't even know why they're listening.
Who wants to listen to your opinion?
On any matter, on any matter.
Vinny, let me ask Vinny a question.
Vinny, Vinny.
Here's the problem I have with simply saying don't let any of them in.
And if they're all here, throw them all out.
A lot of these people, as we've heard from Matt, who served alongside some of them, a lot of them are good, decent people who were properly vetted, who have lived in America now for a number of years with their families, committed no crimes, giving no indication they're going to commit any crimes, are not radicalized.
And we all know if they get sent back to Afghanistan and they are identified as people that worked alongside U.S. forces against the Taliban, we may as well execute them before they even get there because that is what the fate will be if they get back to Afghanistan.
So I feel very uncomfortable because the same situation applies to people in the UK.
I feel very uncomfortable about these interpreters and other service people who may even have fought alongside our troops, who were fighting the Taliban because of this one incident and others.
That's right.
There have been others too, but it's a small number so far that we take thousands of people, many of whom, most of whom would be completely blameless other than they helped us, and we throw them to the Taliban walls.
Would you be comfortable if we suddenly see scenes on television released by the Taliban of them executing all these people who risked their lives for us?
No, I wouldn't feel good, Piers, but you know what?
All that aside, I'm an American first, okay?
And I don't want one American dying from anybody from another country that we've been bombing, Piers, with all the compassion and that suicidality.
Why should anyone ever help us again, Bavini?
Why should anybody, Bavini, why should anyone ever help the United States or the UK in an arm in a war again in the way that they helped us in that war against the Taliban if we just throw them all to the walls and it leads to them being executed?
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Nobody would.
Piers, guess what?
Don't get into these stupid ass wars then.
Well, I agree with her.
No, I agree with her.
Then don't get into these wars, Piers.
But at the end of the day, Piers, America first, American lives.
Well, everybody was eating turkey and having a good time.
Think about that girl's family, Sarah's whole family, grieving and burying their damn daughter.
I'm sorry, Piers.
I am so sorry.
As a veteran, as a child from illegal immigrant parents that came in through the right process, I'm sorry.
I want that many Americans to die.
Can you see that number?
Zero.
Zero.
So we have to take everybody out and re-vet them.
And I actually do agree with Stephen too.
How are you going to vet?
There's no paperwork.
There's no, how do you know?
You just bring them in and go, oh yeah, I trust you.
You love America.
All right.
I'm sorry, Piers.
All right.
It's a shitty situation that Trump didn't start.
Okay, Nadine, your response to that.
How do you feel about the war he's starting in Venezuela right now?
If you want to do no more wars and you've got Donald Trump on the precipice of trying to do regime change in South America.
Stephen are those mulch fishermen?
Stephen are those mulch fishermen?
Are those nice fishing excuses that we have with the excuse for the future?
I think one thing is accountability for this.
Stay on topic.
Lend Nadine speak.
No, I think one thing that people haven't focused on enough is the fact that the violence begets violence, that the violence that the U.S. imperialists take on abroad will come back to the U.S., whether it's through immigrants or people whose families go back generations in the U.S. Look at the attempted person who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump.
Look at the person who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
These aren't migrants.
These are people who've lived here.
So the U.S. continuously being involved in violence abroad has only made this situation worse.
And there isn't these types of mass shootings happening all around the world.
This is something that we see exclusively happening in the U.S.
And instead of that being addressed, mental health being addressed, pulling out of wars across the world, we have ICE raids that are basically just a show of force, wreaking havoc on cities like New York City.
An ICE raid was thwarted here just a couple of days ago from protesters.
And then Palestinian activists like Mohsen Mahdawi, like Mahmoud Khalil, being targeted, you know, so at the end of the day, this isn't about Nadine.
Do you think that, Nadine, do you think that undocumented immigrants in America who commit crimes unconnected to their immigrant status should be deported?
I mean, that's not what's been happening, though.
They've been going after the US.
No, no, I know, I know.
I have the same concerns about those who have not committed other crimes.
But do you think specifically that if they're undocumented and they commit another crime, they should be deported?
You know, I think at the end of the day, these things should, you know, play out.
Well, it's either yes or no, isn't it?
I mean, I just think there is universal agreement pretty much that when people are being accused of crimes that they didn't commit, you know, Of a thought crime.
If they're convicted of a crime, a thought crime.
If they're convicted of a thought, who's accused of a thought crime.
So I'm not going to say that somebody convicted of a crime.
Right.
Okay.
But that's the first question.
If you're in the United States on a visa screaming, globalize the antifada, your ass needs deported, period, to end of discussion.
Exactly.
Would you like to explain globalize people?
Explaining that.
Explain what the first and second antifada is.
That's why your question is.
That's what the first and second antifada were.
Go ahead.
Explain the first and second antifada, and then we'll discuss why they shouldn't.
I don't care what it means.
Explain what it is.
I'm actually using it.
Explain what it actually means.
Explain what it actually means.
If you want to avoid the question, I'll say it for you.
It's twice when Palestinians decided that they would go into Israel.
Antifada.
And I speak Russian.
What's your point?
Okay.
And I don't care what it means.
It's also what it means in context, right?
So when a Palestinian calls and claims globalize the antifada, I don't mean globalize the resistance.
They mean go after the oppressors and start killing people.
Palestinians also believe, also believe that the land of Palestine is all encompassing of Israel.
First thing they talk about occupations.
It was Hamas.
And Hamas is talking about what happened in a second.
And it doesn't matter.
They go in and they murder people.
So you're talking about going in and murdering.
That's the answer.
That's what it's actually talking about.
That is the answer.
No, no, no.
It's not contextualizing.
It's what legitimately happened as part of history.
They went in and they murdered people.
That's a fact.
They went in and they murdered people.
That's a fact.
And Israel happened.
Globalization is a lot of people.
All right, we're moving off the topic.
Take your antifada.
Go to Palestine.
Let's not go kill your own people.
You know what?
We'll debate the antifada a different time.
I can walk to the bottom.
We'll debate that another time.
I want to give a final word to Destiny.
You've not had as much time as the others.
So what would you finally like to say here, Destiny?
I mean, I would ask you the same question.
This all comes back to the overall immigration policy of the United States right now.
It seems to me most Americans agree with the pretty well shutting down of the southern border.
They think that's a good thing for American security to not let millions of people come in illegally on the southern border.
And most Americans I've talked to on this show and privately agree with deporting people who are undocumented and commit other crimes.
Do you agree that those first two things are a good thing?
Like broadly speaking, yeah.
I think we have to have a secure border.
We have to know who's coming into the country and we have to be able to remove people from this country, especially people that are committing real crimes.
If you have a traffic ticket, I don't know, but like if you're a felon or you're committing any kind of violence, of course, absolutely.
I think almost every American would agree with that.
The issue is that, one, is that people aren't always honest about their immigration positions.
So you've got Tomato Vinnie over here who wants no immigrants or wants to, what's the term they're using now, re-immigrate, wants to deport every non-white immigrant or everybody from a country that they don't like and then restart the process or realistically just not bring any of them back at all.
So when you try to have the conversations, you can't even give any ground because the people on the other side aren't even honest about what their positions are.
Number one.
And then number two, even if you have strong feelings about immigration or what immigration policy should look like, you should hate the way that Donald Trump is doing it because Donald Trump has taken a position where there is, you know, Charlie called these 80-20 positions, right?
Deporting people who have committed violent crimes is a position that almost every American would agree with.
If Donald Trump would have gone to every state and said, let us into your state prisons, let's go through who the illegal immigrants are, who have committed felons or class A misdemeanors or whatever, and let's deport them.
That's a policy that any Democratic governor standing against is going to be incredibly unpopular.
But instead, you've got Christy Noam, who doesn't even know habeas corpus is, who's lying left and right about almost every part of everything in her job, is standing on a building with a camera showing the horrible protests with like a guy in a frog suit and seven people recording with iPhones.
You've got the most ineffective administration ever.
Their deportations are not on schedule.
They're never going to deport the amount of people that came in under Biden.
They lie constantly about the number of people that came in under Biden.
The last number Trump said was 30 million.
They would have to deport like 20,000 people a day for four years to even hit this number.
All of it is just ridiculous and absurd.
So, if you really wanted to deport the people that were here illegally, even if that was the thing that you wanted, Trump has been one of the most ineffective leaders ever when it comes to those deportations.
And every single time he talks about it, the first word out of his mouth is Biden, It's Biden's fault that this guy did the shootings, was brought to this country.
Despite the fact that it was Biden's Department of Homeland Security that ultimately granted his asylum, it's Biden's fault that all the illegal immigrants came in.
Despite the fact that illegal immigration was tending up under Trump even more than Obama, it's everything is Biden's fault.
The buck has to stop with the president at some point.
And Trump has failed on every single thing.
You know what it boils down to, though?
What it boils down to, and this terror attack is actually part of the problem, is that, as you say, every country needs a border, or it's not a country, just de facto, but also you've got to know who's coming into your country.
And that's the bottom line.
Everything actually all roads, whether it's the original part of our debate or the way it's moved, all of it comes back to who should be in the country.
Borders Need Stability00:01:13
How do you vet those people?
I've repeated this many times this year.
When I apply for my visa, it is a long, laborious process of paperwork and lawyers and money.
And I do it the correct and proper way.
And then I get my visa, and I'm very happy and proud to have it.
But if people just waltz over the border, it doesn't just piss people like me off who've done it the hard way, it pisses off everybody else in the United States who's come in legally and properly.
And we have the same issue in the UK, and it's the same issue in many countries around the world now.
You've got to protect your border and you've got to know who's coming in, and you've got to get rid of the people who do not suit the values of your country or hate your country and want to commit crimes in your country.
And that's how you get a stable country.
On that bombshell, I'm going to leave it for now, but thank you all very much.
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