Uncensored - Piers Morgan - ‘This Generation’s JFK Moment’ Charlie Sheen On Kirk Assassination + Baring ALL In New Book
Aired: 2025-09-16
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[00:00:30]  I mean, there are some revelations in the book that I was not expecting.
[00:00:33]  You're incredibly honest and revealing.
[00:00:36]  What I'd owned for a long time as an experience was what it felt like to always keep that stuff hidden.
[00:00:44]  So I thought, all right, let's just find out what the world's going to feel like with all that stuff out there.
[00:00:50]  Did it feel like you were winning at the time, though?
[00:00:55]  No.
[00:00:56]  You were on air with Joe Rogan last week when the horrific news came that Charlie Kirk had been killed.
[00:01:05]  First, I immediately thought just in the family dynamic and component and the value of what was just ripped from all of them forever.
[00:01:15]  Yeah, it's a trip, man.
[00:01:17]  I mean, what the hell was that?
[00:01:21]  Charlie Sheen's legacy as a pop culture icon is unrivaled, first as a movie star, the 80s and 90s, later as the best paid TV star in the world.
[00:01:30]  But there's little doubt that his televised meltdown in 2011 is what truly cemented his legacy as a showbiz legend.
[00:01:37]  Charlie Sheen broke the internet before anybody even knew what that really meant.
[00:01:41]  This is why.
[00:01:42]  Built by trolls.
[00:01:43]  Keep that in mind.
[00:01:44]  Phones were built by trolls.
[00:01:46]  Okay, that gives us like 6,000 hours.
[00:01:48]  Okay, great, great, great.
[00:01:49]  Well, as it should be, duh.
[00:01:50]  People need to hear my gold as it rolls out, not as it's like disappearing, disappearing like so many freaking, you know, magician's rabbits.
[00:01:57]  We are in the middle of a movement here, an odyssey of epic proportions, epic, epic proportions.
[00:02:04]  Well, hello, duh.
[00:02:05]  I had more than fun.
[00:02:06]  I had me with it.
[00:02:08]  Some are saying that you're bipolar.
[00:02:10]  Wow, what does that mean?
[00:02:12]  I guess that, you know, you're on two ends of the spectrum.
[00:02:15]  Wow.
[00:02:16]  And then what?
[00:02:16]  What's the cure?
[00:02:17]  Medicine?
[00:02:18]  Make me like them?
[00:02:19]  Not going to happen.
[00:02:21]  I'm by winning.
[00:02:23]  Well, now, 14 years after revealing his tiger blood to the world, Sheen is back to reflect on his astonishing life in a brutally honest new memoir, The Book of Sheen, as well as a Netflix documentary, aka Charlie Sheen.
[00:02:35]  And the great man himself joins me now.
[00:02:37]  Charlie Sheen, how great to see you.
[00:02:41]  Likewise, Pierce, how's it going?
[00:02:44]  Do you know what?
[00:02:44]  I found a picture of us.
[00:02:45]  You can't see it, but we're going to show the viewers.
[00:02:49]  It's a picture of you and I at the opening of Planet Hollywood in Aspen, Colorado in 1994, both clutching pairs of skis, which we didn't actually use.
[00:03:02]  It's a most amusing photograph.
[00:03:04]  It was a hilarious interview.
[00:03:05]  And I feel like every few years or so for the rest of the next 31 years, we've had some collision somewhere in the world that's been highly entertaining.
[00:03:15]  And I'm expecting this to be exactly the same.
[00:03:17]  We have.
[00:03:18]  How are you?
[00:03:19]  You look great.
[00:03:20]  No pressure.
[00:03:21]  No pressure.
[00:03:22]  Oh, thank you.
[00:03:23]  Thank you.
[00:03:24]  I would say the same if I could see you.
[00:03:28]  I'm confident you are your usually dapper and dazzling self.
[00:03:33]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:03:34]  You say all the nicest things.
[00:03:36]  You know, the reason we played the 2011 Tiger Blood stuff, that was actually from the CNN interview that you and I did at the time, which was electrifying.
[00:03:46]  It got huge audience around the world.
[00:03:49]  It was you at kind of peak mayhem when you'd walked out on two and a half men.
[00:03:56]  When you look back at that period in your life, you do so very honestly in the book, but how are you today compared to that, Charlie Chin?
[00:04:08]  Thankfully, nothing about today bears any resemblance to that other thing, that other bizarre.
[00:04:24]  It was interesting in the lead-in, or in the intro, to just hear it and not see it.
[00:04:34]  But everything I heard, I could still see, you know, what those accompanying visuals were treating all of us to.
[00:04:44]  Yeah, it's a trip, man.
[00:04:46]  I mean, what the hell was that?
[00:04:50]  I mean, I know that's your question for me, but that's where I'm still at with it.
[00:04:56]  I still can't figure out, you know, what was I trying to prove?
[00:05:01]  You know, I think I made my point early on and somebody should have, you know, in vaudeville, that hook comes out and quick exit, stage left or right or trapdoor.
[00:05:14]  Yeah, that moment felt like it was always kind of, you know, just right there, but it never happened when it should have.
[00:05:25]  And I think another thing, Piers, is that I didn't anticipate that, and I talk about it in the book, that this, you know, that the world I said goodnight to six hours earlier was not the one that I woke up into with, you know,
[00:05:40]  with folk ballads and rap songs and people on the march and then just like this whole rallying army of fans and enthusiasts for I unintentionally tapped into something that they might have been feeling as well, something similar, something akin to, you know, giving it to the man.
[00:06:05]  But you know, the dumbest, silliest thing about it all, you know, winning, it was like one of the most losing, defeated moments of my life.
[00:06:20]  You know, there was nothing, there was nothing winning about it, you know.
[00:06:25]  Did it feel like you were winning at the time, though?
[00:06:27]  Did you genuinely feel you were on this kind of liberating crusade?
[00:06:34]  No, that's the thing.
[00:06:37]  Maybe like on day one or two, because the interview with Andrea Canning, and imagine just like what that, like from her point of view, what that whole thing must have looked like and sounded like and felt like.
[00:06:51]  It was just like, whoa, but you know, kudos to her for just like, like, like, like just standing right in the mouth of the volcano, you know.
[00:07:03]  But it, no, it, yeah, it just, man, it just got away from me.
[00:07:08]  You know, it just, it just got away from me.
[00:07:10]  But, but, you know, and what I describe in the book is that, you know, all those catchphrases and t-shirts and aerial advertising, I literally saw a plane fly by with winning.
[00:07:25]  I mean, like, yeah, that, that happened.
[00:07:28]  None of that was my original material, which I explained.
[00:07:34]  I explained it in the doc.
[00:07:35]  They didn't use it, but it's in the book.
[00:07:37]  You know, it came from a random conversation with a baseball player named Brian Wilson, who was, I think, trying to give me a pep talk.
[00:07:45]  And then as the interview was starting to go a little south, all of those slogans and sayings that he had sort of injected into my psyche, they were just kind of on a loop looking for the right or the completely wrong place to suddenly emerge.
[00:08:08]  And they did.
[00:08:09]  You know, you know, Charlie, my vivid memory of it, I was kind of caught up in all this, as you know, because, you know, even before the interview you just referenced, you turned up.
[00:08:20]  We booked you to appear on CNN at my studio in Los Angeles.
[00:08:25]  It was live.
[00:08:26]  We billed it to the world.
[00:08:27]  We've got Charlie Sheen, the man of the moment, coming.
[00:08:30]  I think you turned up four minutes before airtime in a big stretch.
[00:08:35]  It was a Maybach, a Maybach car, one of those huge Maybachs.
[00:08:40]  You got out with the most random collection of people I'd ever seen in my life.
[00:08:44]  You came in, you gave me a hug, you ran in the studio, you sat down literally as we started rolling the intro, and you gave me an unbelievably searing, entertaining, slightly mad, I'll be honest, interview for an hour.
[00:09:00]  But my absolute takeaway, and I can tell you why it's my takeaway, is that halfway through, and we'll play the clip now, you won't see it, but the viewers will.
[00:09:09]  It's a moment when you, I ask you, are you drug-free?
[00:09:13]  And you say you took a test two days before, you just had the results back, and you hand me your test results.
[00:09:20]  So we're going to watch the clip so that the viewers know what I'm talking about.
[00:09:24]  But I think you probably remember this.
[00:09:26]  Okay, cool.
[00:09:27]  Let me ask you a direct question.
[00:09:28]  Are you under the influence right now of any substances?
[00:09:31]  Nothing.
[00:09:32]  I'm under the influence of you.
[00:09:35]  Half of the drug you're doing this into you.
[00:09:38]  That may not be the best influence.
[00:09:40]  I'll take it.
[00:09:42]  Looks pretty cool to me, you know.
[00:09:43]  But you took a drug test to prove that you are currently completely drug-free.
[00:09:47]  Yeah, whenever it looks for results.
[00:09:50]  You actually got the results on you.
[00:09:51]  Well, yeah, these days, I mean, carry this stuff with you.
[00:09:58]  And when was this taken?
[00:10:00]  It was taken, when was it taken?
[00:10:02]  Yesterday?
[00:10:03]  Yeah, the day before.
[00:10:04]  And this is the day before.
[00:10:06]  So assuming this is accurate, which I believe it is, this is completely clean.
[00:10:10]  So when was the last time you took a drug?
[00:10:12]  I don't know because not being held hostage by AA anymore, I don't count my days because I put such a premium on them and you run around with your days going, oh God, don't lose your days, don't lose your days.
[00:10:23]  Boom, I lost my days.
[00:10:24]  And then it's like, where did my days go?
[00:10:26]  Now, the reason that has stayed with me, Charlie, so vividly is that you may not remember this, but in the next commercial break, you autographed your drug test results for me.
[00:10:37]  And you wrote on it, two peers, let's get hammered, love Charlie.
[00:10:42]  And I've now got that framed in my bar in my LA home.
[00:10:47]  That's amazing.
[00:10:49]  That's amazing.
[00:10:50]  Wow.
[00:10:50]  I'm, you know, just, you know, putting aside just for one second, just, you know, everything that had to happen that led to that winding up framed in your home bar.
[00:11:05]  I'm honored.
[00:11:06]  Thank you.
[00:11:07]  Thank you.
[00:11:08]  Yeah, that was the test I did with Dylan Howard at my house.
[00:11:16]  And I think it was during a live feed.
[00:11:19]  Yeah.
[00:11:19]  Wow.
[00:11:20]  I mean, obviously that test didn't include or one of the panels wasn't for testosterone cream.
[00:11:29]  Right.
[00:11:30]  Because that's the stuff, as I say in the book, I was slathering on like a freaking pons commercial.
[00:11:41]  Yeah, that's the one that really got the, I think if you use too much at those levels, it'll metabolize into like a Royd rage, you know, and I think that's part of a lot of the aggressiveness of that whole run, you know.
[00:12:02]  But that's such a trip because I remember I had this cool home theater at the place where I was speaking to you from and I was pacing back and forth and then like there was like there was this last moment where you were like, it's now or never.
[00:12:19]  I need a yes or a no.
[00:12:21]  And I saw the green light.
[00:12:23]  I saw the green light of yes just flash.
[00:12:26]  And that's when I said, I'm on my way, you know.
[00:12:29]  We also, if I'm, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, because a lot of people do know, is that there was a telephone involved at some point.
[00:12:39]  Am I correct in remembering that or no?
[00:12:42]  There was a telephone.
[00:12:45]  What was it doing?
[00:12:46]  That we put out a number.
[00:12:49]  We had it on the desk and we said that we wanted Chuck Laurie to call.
[00:12:53]  Yes, I think we did.
[00:12:54]  Do you remember this part of it?
[00:12:55]  We did.
[00:12:56]  We urged Chuck Laurie, who obviously it was his show, two and a half men.
[00:13:00]  We urged him to call in and see if we could broker a peace deal.
[00:13:05]  Right, right, right.
[00:13:06]  Yeah.
[00:13:07]  You know, I actually have to commend and the fact that he didn't call is actually, that was a really smart move on his part, you know.
[00:13:21]  You know, Charlie, it's interesting.
[00:13:22]  I wouldn't have called him if, sorry.
[00:13:24]  No, I was going to say, it's interesting.
[00:13:25]  Go ahead.
[00:13:26]  Sorry.
[00:13:26]  When I look back at that interview we did, it was great, highly entertaining, but at the heart of it was a real human being going through a lot of difficult stuff.
[00:13:34]  And you've laid that out in the book very honestly and the doc.
[00:13:38]  And it's interesting because you kind of say that people that almost encouraged you at the time, and I would categorize myself possibly as one of those people that it's all a bit of fun and it doesn't really matter, that they were enabling, they were enabling you and were part of the problem.
[00:13:59]  You're not on that list.
[00:14:01]  Okay.
[00:14:02]  And I'm not saying that just because we're here right now.
[00:14:05]  You're not on that list because you were brave enough, gracious enough to offer me a venue, a forum to come out and try to describe some portion of my side of the story.
[00:14:23]  And so I didn't see that as you trying to capitalize on the insanity of the moment.
[00:14:29]  I saw you as like being an ally in that moment.
[00:14:33]  And I mean that sincerely.
[00:14:36]  And that's connected to the trust and the friendship, personally and professionally that we established 8,000 feet above sea level back in 94.
[00:14:51]  So yeah, and that's what it was about.
[00:14:56]  You needed me back then.

=== Trust and Friendship from 94 (06:59) ===

[00:15:00]  And then here we are and that circle is closing for me to need you in that moment.
[00:15:07]  You know, what's really outside of that?
[00:15:09]  Yeah.
[00:15:10]  I think what's really interesting.
[00:15:12]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:15:13]  Go finish your point.
[00:15:16]  The stuff that you just illustrated about, yeah, the enabling and the media and everybody really kind of treating it like it was some type of a carnival or extended parade or yeah, I completely support.
[00:15:38]  Yeah, because you paint a picture really, that when you're as big as you were, two and a half men, biggest show on TV, you're the highest paid guy in world television, you're at the top of your game, but you then inevitably, you're surrounded by people who want a piece of bad action without actually deserving one.
[00:15:56]  And they're all at you.
[00:15:58]  And your ego is running riot.
[00:16:00]  You're loving the attention.
[00:16:02]  They want a piece of you.
[00:16:03]  You want a piece of the big party and everything else.
[00:16:06]  And it's a kind of, it's like a roller coaster ride that is almost inevitably, as history tells us, going to end badly.
[00:16:15]  Did you feel that at the time?
[00:16:17]  Or was there a moment of awakening for you when you thought, you know what, this is just going to end in me dying?
[00:16:28]  I the death thing was, if it was a list of 10 reasons to get the train back into the station, that was like number seven or eight, which is a trip now because that should have been 1A.
[00:16:49]  Yeah, no, that was never, I could tell, you know, internally, like in whatever quiet moments I was able to carve out during that whole thing, that supernova.
[00:17:05]  Yeah, I would sit with, try to sit inside of it and, you know, know that it was not, there was no, there was no happy ending.
[00:17:20]  There was nothing at the end of that roller coaster that didn't look like losing the brakes, smashing through that final guardrail and just over the falls into the abyss.
[00:17:34]  You know, yeah, but it's, yeah, how, how death wasn't sort of the driving, you know, force or factor is a little bit curious.
[00:17:48]  When you look at what happened to a friend of yours, Matthew Perry, for example, what do you, what do you, do you feel lucky that that wasn't you?
[00:17:56]  I mean, people have categorized it as he always seemed very unhappy with his addictive life, whereas you, by contrast, when it was going on, seemed happy, like you were having a good time.
[00:18:07]  He never exuded an air of happiness about it.
[00:18:10]  But when you look at what happened to him, and he once actually filled in for me on my show at CNN.
[00:18:17]  You know, and I remember it was very funny.
[00:18:19]  He did a very funny imitation of me and so on.
[00:18:21]  It was very nice.
[00:18:22]  But I felt it was a real tragic story, the Matthew Perry story, which ended just awfully tragically.
[00:18:29]  Whereas you, I look at you today, Charlie.
[00:18:31]  And honestly, again, I'm not saying this just because you're sitting here, but you just look fantastic.
[00:18:36]  You look healthy.
[00:18:36]  You look well.
[00:18:38]  You look positive.
[00:18:39]  You look on it.
[00:18:41]  And I'll come to what I think about that in a moment.
[00:18:43]  But the contrast is very stark.
[00:18:47]  Thank you.
[00:18:49]  Thank you.
[00:18:50]  I think, you know, what I saw, I didn't know Matthew that well.
[00:18:54]  He's in my book.
[00:18:55]  And, you know, what I saw, because I read his book and I read it in a day and I loved it.
[00:19:05]  And I'm so proud of him and inspired by it.
[00:19:10]  And then I wanted to reach out, you know, because I'm in his book, you know, when he says, F, Charlie Shane, and I'm going to be that famous one day too.
[00:19:19]  And I didn't.
[00:19:22]  I think he died like three weeks after I read the book.
[00:19:26]  But I noticed when he was promoting.
[00:19:30]  Yeah.
[00:19:31]  I don't, yeah, I don't know that I could have affected any part of what ultimately happened, right?
[00:19:42]  But I could see when he was promoting it and I could feel the sort of the prison that he put himself in because I could tell he wasn't sober talking about a book that is all about sobriety and recovery and coming out of that thing that I describe, Veterans of the Unspeakable, the Downey quote, you know.
[00:20:09]  And I felt really, I felt bad for him.
[00:20:11]  And I, then when I heard a little snippet from the audio book, he didn't have that perfect specific laser-focused diction that he always had, you know, delivering comedy or anything at the level that he did.
[00:20:28]  So I could hear a man who was, I could hear him handicapped and I could see him on a couple of the shows.
[00:20:36]  And I watched him on Bill Maher with a book.
[00:20:39]  And I don't know if I'd agreed at the time that I was, maybe I'd already agreed that I was going to do mine.
[00:20:47]  And I kind of had this weird moment with him through the television that if I wind up in that chair with Bill, with my own freaking book, I'm not going to be anything but completely present and focused and in the moment and just, you know, everybody.
[00:21:05]  Which you were last week.
[00:21:07]  I watched it.
[00:21:09]  Thank you.
[00:21:09]  Thank you.
[00:21:10]  And I felt that the other night and I didn't get into it because Bill kind of tossed a few curveballs that I swung over the top of early on in the interview.
[00:21:24]  So I wasn't, my A game was just a little left of center.
[00:21:30]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:21:31]  Yeah, but it was great to see you on it, Ashley.
[00:21:33]  And I was so happy when I knew you were coming on here.
[00:21:36]  I mean, there are some revelations in the book that I was not expecting.
[00:21:39]  You're incredibly honest and revealing.
[00:21:41]  One of which, of course, is you talk about your period of your life where you went through a period of bisexuality.
[00:21:49]  You contracted HIV.
[00:21:52]  Tell me about that.
[00:21:54]  How difficult a decision was it to tell everybody about this?

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[00:24:08]  It was, man, wow.
[00:24:14]  Preparing for the documentary, we were doing a lot of that prep work and it was the start date for the documentary and the book were on a collision course.
[00:24:30]  So in all of the prep work with Andrew Renzi, the director, who's a freaking genius, by the way, and a lovely man, he said, look, man, you know, we got to get into some of this other stuff.
[00:24:43]  Because in the deep, deep, deep dive that he took in his research, he says, there's a lot of rumors out there, dude, about you and men, you know?
[00:24:53]  And I said, okay, all right, cool.
[00:24:56]  Yeah, let's figure out a way to deal with that without it feeling like we're doing a TMZ expose, some of that garbage, right?
[00:25:04]  So we figured out how to do it, I think, respectfully and just in a very mature way, right?
[00:25:14]  And then in the book, I had some fun with the symbology and the verbiage and how I kind of dealt with some of that.
[00:25:22]  But what I knew, like what I'd owned for a long time as an experience was what it felt like to always keep that stuff hidden, to always walk around knowing there's videos out there that I paid to make go away and knowing there's people out there that I paid to zip, zip, zip it.
[00:25:42]  And so I have a universe of those feelings.
[00:25:49]  And I didn't at the time have one molecule of what it would feel like out there.
[00:25:58]  And so I thought, okay, all right.
[00:26:02]  I don't like this version.
[00:26:04]  I don't like that thing that I kind of sequestered myself into.
[00:26:13]  So I thought, all right, let's just find out what the world's going to feel like with all that stuff out there.
[00:26:20]  And every story I wrote about, you know, how I'm going to be like yelled at in the street or dealt with at the bank or barred from the ban from the supermarket or the car wash.
[00:26:33]  None of that has come true.
[00:26:35]  People are like, hey, man, yeah, write on.
[00:26:38]  Write on.
[00:26:38]  It's a part of your story.
[00:26:40]  It's not the whole story.
[00:26:41]  It's a part.
[00:26:41]  It's one of your experiences.
[00:26:43]  And people are like applauding that I was brave enough to do that.
[00:26:52]  And it's such a relief.
[00:26:56]  It's such a relief, you know.
[00:26:58]  And I don't have a shred of regret.
[00:27:01]  The other thing, Paris, is if you're going to put something in a documentary and in a book, you better damn well be prepared to discuss it in moments like this or in the street or at the drugstore.
[00:27:19]  Or, you know what I'm saying?
[00:27:21]  And it takes the pressure off of other people.
[00:27:23]  And just one more thing about that.
[00:27:26]  People look at that story and they know that the kind of the you know reputationally, what a drug like crack cocaine can do to your brain sexually.
[00:27:34]  So if people read this whole thing, even the crazy story in the book Escape From La Right.
[00:27:40]  Um, and if something like that wasn't in there, don't you think the Hmms would have been a part of um?
[00:27:48]  You know what i'm saying?
[00:27:49]  People's feelings about the book.
[00:27:52]  Yeah, so it it um.
[00:27:55]  It would.
[00:27:55]  It would be glaringly absent if it wasn't included.
[00:27:59]  And I'm sorry, I'm going on about this.
[00:28:02]  And I hope it opens a door or maybe spurs something in someone else sitting behind similar secrets and feelings and trapped in it.
[00:28:14]  I hope that someone else, just, I'm not even talking about somebody famous, just someone else out in the world, like, you know, sits down with their parents at dinner and says, hey, so Sheen, we all saw the thing with Sheen.
[00:28:28]  Well, we have that in common.
[00:28:31]  So who knows?
[00:28:32]  You know, that's kind of the bonus stuff that can come as a result.
[00:28:38]  And if it does, then awesome.
[00:28:41]  I get the sense, Charlie.
[00:28:42]  You were waiting for this kind of bomb to go off with all sorts of fears and neurosis about it, none of which has actually happened.
[00:28:49]  And you now feel, it seems to me, a great sense of liberation.
[00:28:56]  That's, yes, very accurate.
[00:28:58]  Absolutely.
[00:28:59]  Yeah.
[00:28:59]  Thank you.
[00:29:00]  Thank you.
[00:29:01]  That's got to be a good feeling, isn't it?
[00:29:04]  It's a great feeling.
[00:29:06]  It's any time like those stories that I write, usually to start every day about how everything's, you know, what the results are going to be, even before I engage or encounter anything.
[00:29:17]  None of the stories are ever true.
[00:29:19]  And I keep writing the stories.
[00:29:22]  It's wasted energy.
[00:29:24]  It's wasted time.
[00:29:25]  But yeah, it's one day, one day, you know, we'll sit down.
[00:29:32]  What are we averaging?
[00:29:33]  Like once every eight years.
[00:29:37]  10 years?
[00:29:37]  Yeah.
[00:29:38]  Every eight years.
[00:29:40]  Let's shorten that.
[00:29:41]  Can we shorten that?
[00:29:42]  I'd love to.
[00:29:43]  Yeah.
[00:29:43]  I'd love to.
[00:29:44]  Okay.
[00:29:45]  So if I see you again in six months or a year, the stories are, I'm not going to say they've stopped being written, but they won't be as consistently in the mix.
[00:30:04]  How about that?
[00:30:05]  I get it.
[00:30:05]  I get it.
[00:30:06]  I would love that, Charlie.
[00:30:07]  How have the people in your life reacted to all of this coming out?
[00:30:12]  And I'm particularly talking about your kids, maybe your ex-wife, Denise, who's very loving about you in the documentary.
[00:30:20]  Your dad, Martin Sheen, obviously, you played my favorite ever president in The West Wing, my favorite ever show.
[00:30:27]  How have the family in your life reacted to all this coming out in the way that you've told it?
[00:30:35]  It's incredible.
[00:30:36]  It's all love.
[00:30:37]  It's all just like, yeah, there's nothing awkward about it.
[00:30:41]  There's no, you know, hey, when the kids are in the other room, can we just, can we talk?
[00:30:48]  There's none of that.
[00:30:50]  There's none of that.
[00:30:51]  But it's interesting.
[00:30:52]  So my son, Max, who's 16, lives with me, right?
[00:30:55]  And his brother Bob's in Florida, but he's coming back.
[00:30:58]  It's this thing with my kids.
[00:30:59]  They kind of cycle in and out.
[00:31:01]  And one mom's over there.
[00:31:03]  She's over there.
[00:31:04]  And then somebody just keeps rotating.
[00:31:06]  So it's pretty cool.
[00:31:08]  But Max, him and his friend Natan watched the dock and they reported back on episode one.
[00:31:18]  And they were like, dad, this is awesome.
[00:31:19]  Oh my God.
[00:31:20]  Wow.
[00:31:20]  What a life.
[00:31:21]  What a thing.
[00:31:21]  It's like, and he's like, I'm so proud of you.
[00:31:25]  And then, so that's episode one.
[00:31:26]  And I know like, like, you know, all the all the good stuff in episode two.
[00:31:32]  And, and I'm, and I'm kind of waiting.
[00:31:35]  I'm kind of waiting.
[00:31:37]  And then, I don't know, two hours later, Max writes and he says, wow, dad, episode two is even better.
[00:31:48]  And then I'm like, wow, thank you.
[00:31:52]  Thank you.
[00:31:53]  And there was no, there's, but there's going, there has to be at some moment when we're in the car going to school, the market, there has to be a thing where, hey, so Max, you know, that stuff with the thing with the crack and the guys and the, you know, and I'm just, I just kind of need to have that moment with him so he knows it's not something that is not to be discussed or is taboo or creates a thing between us.
[00:32:20]  Or yeah, just so, I guess in stages, but he loved it.
[00:32:26]  So I guess he's just open to discuss any part of episode two, you know?
[00:32:34]  How has your dad reacted?
[00:32:36]  Because you're talking there very movingly, actually, about being a father and the responsibilities that brings.
[00:32:43]  You put your dad through a bit of a roller coaster over the decades.
[00:32:48]  I mean, he must be thrilled to see you today.
[00:32:53]  But what's he made of you coming out, telling everything the way you've told it?
[00:33:01]  He just, he hasn't broken it down specifically and, you know, like spoken to things, but he's super proud of the courage and the honesty and just that I decided that it was just, it was time to, you know, if this was how what I needed to do to move forward, if this was, you know, I don't know if it's a comeback.
[00:33:31]  I see it kind of as a reset, you know.
[00:33:34]  I think he's, he, he just, he trusts in the choices I've made and around this whole process that he's, and he, and he just keeps applauding my endeavors.
[00:33:48]  He read the book in, he read the book in like a day and a half while I was recording the audio book.
[00:33:56]  And I recorded the audio book at his house.
[00:33:58]  And so, because a lot of the stories are being told on the actual property before that guesthouse existed, like as children.
[00:34:07]  And it's, it was really cool to do it at ground zero, you know?
[00:34:10]  Yeah.
[00:34:10]  But so I'm like, I got four days to record the audio book.
[00:34:13]  So we're on the clock.
[00:34:14]  So I'm running up to the house to, you know, get coffee or a snack and then run back.
[00:34:18]  And he's reading the book.
[00:34:20]  And he's like, hey, hey, hey, we got to talk about this.
[00:34:23]  He said, this is, he says, kid, this is the most unique book that I've ever read.
[00:34:28]  My dad's read a lot of books.
[00:34:29]  And so that was like, that was really inspiring and really complimentary.
[00:34:33]  That was a great moment.
[00:34:35]  But we're in such a rush to get this thing on tape.
[00:34:38]  He's reading it and wanting to talk about it when we are like literally running out of precious minutes and hours to complete it.
[00:34:49]  So that was the dynamic that was going on.
[00:34:51]  Fascinating.
[00:34:53]  And no, it was a lovely experience.
[00:34:56]  Yeah.
[00:34:58]  You were on air with Joe Rogan last week when the horrific news came that Charlie Kirk had been killed.
[00:35:08]  And I just want to show a little clip of this happening because it was literally happening in real time as you were doing your regular interview.
[00:35:15]  Let's take a look.
[00:35:17]  This just happened.
[00:35:18]  We just found out that Charlie Kirk got shot.
[00:35:23]  It's fucking awful.
[00:35:24]  And is he dead?
[00:35:27]  No, I don't think so.
[00:35:28]  That's what was just one of the guys out there just said in the lobby.
[00:35:34]  I've been looking.
[00:35:34]  I haven't seen anything that said confirmed.
[00:35:39]  Whoa.
[00:35:42]  Murder for having a different opinion from somebody else.
[00:35:45]  Yeah.
[00:35:46]  Different ideology from somebody else.
[00:35:49]  Yeah.
[00:35:50]  Yeah.
[00:35:50]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:35:52]  Beliefs that didn't align.
[00:35:54]  I'm sorry.
[00:35:56]  Rest in peace.
[00:35:57]  Fuck.
[00:35:59]  You know, an extraordinary moment, really, a horrific moment.
[00:36:04]  What do you feel about this Charlie?
[00:36:06]  That somebody would be executed like that, basically for having opinions someone didn't like?
[00:36:17]  I first thought about his fatherless children, his wife instantly widow.
[00:36:32]  So I didn't care about the politics or any of the social aspects, the cultural aspects.
[00:36:39]  At first, I immediately thought just in the family dynamic and component and the value of what was just ripped from all of them forever in a picosecond.
[00:36:53]  And it was, yeah, it was Joe and I just trying to kind of keep some measure of just keep our wits and sensibilities about us processing this.
[00:37:08]  And then, you know, we're discussing the JFK assassination earlier in that same interview.
[00:37:16]  And yeah, if that moment had to happen, the moment happened and I'm being with Rogan for the aftermath of it was helpful.
[00:37:36]  Yeah.
[00:37:37]  If that makes sense.
[00:37:38]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:37:39]  But, and I just, you know, I don't know.
[00:37:43]  I think for this generation, I think that's their JFK moment.
[00:37:48]  I mean, seriously.
[00:37:50]  And I just, you know, if that's where we've, if that's where we've wound up, it cannot be where we stay.
[00:38:00]  Right.
[00:38:00]  You know?
[00:38:02]  Yeah, no, it's still, I don't want to say it's still not, it just still doesn't feel, it's too surreal to process it.
[00:38:16]  You know?
[00:38:17]  Yeah.
[00:38:18]  It's just the unfairness of it, the unfairness of it.
[00:38:21]  Because that dude, like, brought, he brought, he didn't demean people.
[00:38:29]  He didn't ridicule people.
[00:38:31]  He didn't belittle or embarrass or gotcha.
[00:38:34]  He showed up as prepared as you could have been, as passionate as you could have been, and just asked people to just have an open debate.
[00:38:47]  Just, okay, here's what I believe and here's why.
[00:38:51]  And let's hear your side of it.
[00:38:53]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:38:54]  And that it turned into that is just, that's the, that just can't, it can't be, you know, we can't keep having days like that moving forward.
[00:39:10]  No.
[00:39:11]  Do you think we've lost the ability to have just honest, free, democratic debate with each other?
[00:39:17]  And is social media a large part of that problem, do you think?
[00:39:23]  I mean, you can't, yeah.
[00:39:24]  I mean, it's, um, I don't know that we've lost the ability completely, but we've arrived at a place where it just, it's, it's, it's, it's never, it just doesn't feel like it's the go-to solution anymore, you know?
[00:39:41]  Um, that doesn't mean it's not available on both sides to, you know, sensibly try to, you know, reach some, I don't know, there's a reason that the term, you know, agree to disagree exists, right?

=== Honest Democratic Debate Today (05:12) ===

[00:40:00]  Yes.
[00:40:02]  But I just, I got to have more faith in just the human experience.
[00:40:09]  I have to have more faith.
[00:40:12]  Even if I'm buying into a lie at that point, that's okay.
[00:40:15]  That's what I have to go with.
[00:40:17]  Yeah.
[00:40:17]  Just for just for the sake of hope.
[00:40:19]  Hope, you know?
[00:40:20]  Yeah.
[00:40:21]  You know, talking of hope, Charlie, I want to end on a really hopeful, happy note.
[00:40:25]  Because like I said at the start, you look great.
[00:40:27]  Awesome.
[00:40:27]  I've loved catching up with you.
[00:40:29]  I always love catching up with you, but I've never seen you actually this chilled, this happy, this healthy looking.
[00:40:36]  And it begs the question, because before all the madness, you were such a brilliant actor.
[00:40:41]  You're still a brilliant actor.
[00:40:43]  Are we going to see you back acting in something significant, a big movie, a big TV series?
[00:40:50]  Is this now, you know, well, never mind the reset.
[00:40:54]  Are we going to see the comeback?
[00:40:56]  Because I'd love to see it.
[00:40:57]  I think so.
[00:40:59]  I thank you.
[00:41:00]  And thank you for those lovely words.
[00:41:02]  Yeah.
[00:41:07]  If it was going to happen again, like I think now is the time.
[00:41:11]  I think the planets are realigned.
[00:41:14]  And the good news is I don't have any breaking news of a project or anything like that, but the material I'm reading again is the best that I've put my eyes on in over 20 years.
[00:41:29]  And so it's really cool that now I'm being seen again through that lens that, oh, yeah, okay, this is the guy that, yeah, okay.
[00:41:39]  So that's exciting.
[00:41:40]  And I can start to feel kind of the good adrenal fear of like something showing up that's going to be really challenging.
[00:41:51]  You know, that project where you're just like, the reason I'm going to do this is because I'm not sure I can do it.
[00:41:58]  Stuff like that, you know, so that's, and I haven't felt that in decades.
[00:42:03]  And so, yeah, that's exciting.
[00:42:04]  That's exciting.
[00:42:05]  And you're 60 now, right?
[00:42:09]  I am, yes.
[00:42:10]  Yeah, that happens.
[00:42:11]  That happened.
[00:42:12]  But, oh, congratulations.
[00:42:15]  We both are.
[00:42:16]  So are you, are you, are you 65, 1965?
[00:42:19]  Yes, March the 30th, 1965.
[00:42:22]  I was born.
[00:42:24]  Amazing.
[00:42:25]  Right on.
[00:42:25]  Well, yeah.
[00:42:26]  Yeah.
[00:42:26]  65 is a kick-ass year, right?
[00:42:29]  But I did discover as well that the September 3rd.
[00:42:34]  Right.
[00:42:35]  September 3rd.
[00:42:36]  So you're actually younger than me.
[00:42:39]  Yeah, like that much, yeah.
[00:42:42]  But did you find Pierre's, I'm sorry?
[00:42:47]  You look younger than me.
[00:42:48]  I'm giving you a compliment.
[00:42:50]  Oh, that's debatable.
[00:42:52]  That is open for debate.
[00:42:53]  But thank you.
[00:42:55]  I found that the road to 60 was a lot bumpier than just being 60.
[00:43:03]  Yes.
[00:43:03]  60 shows up, showed up, and I was like, oh, cool.
[00:43:07]  Wednesday.
[00:43:08]  You know, there was like no, suddenly all the worry, all the bigness of it just was not, it was like, cool.
[00:43:16]  All right.
[00:43:17]  Because it's going to happen whether we embrace it or not, right?
[00:43:21]  100%.
[00:43:23]  But yeah, I'm excited for whatever's next.
[00:43:27]  So am I, Charlie.
[00:43:28]  It's been great catching up with you.
[00:43:29]  Thank you so much for doing another interview.
[00:43:32]  I love them when we do that.
[00:43:34]  Absolute pleasure.
[00:43:34]  Absolute pleasure.
[00:43:35]  Thank you.
[00:43:36]  The book is The Book of Sheen.
[00:43:37]  The documentary is aka Charlie Sheen on Netflix.
[00:43:40]  They're both brilliant.
[00:43:41]  I urge everyone to watch them.
[00:43:44]  And I can't wait to see what you do because I think there are going to be loads of people looking at you, seeing the success of the book and the series.
[00:43:51]  And they're going to be flooding to you with offers.
[00:43:53]  And you're going to do something great.
[00:43:55]  And you're going to be back on top of that pile again.
[00:43:58]  And it's going to be amazing to watch.
[00:43:59]  That's amazing.
[00:44:01]  That's amazing.
[00:44:02]  Well, I'm going to hitch my wagon to your wave of optimism.
[00:44:06]  So thank you.
[00:44:07]  Thank you, Piers.
[00:44:08]  Charlie, great to see you, mate.
[00:44:09]  Take care.
[00:44:10]  All the best.
[00:44:11]  Likewise, right on.
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[00:44:31]  And we are finally free to call a spade a spade.
[00:44:34]  So what was the cause of death?
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