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July 22, 2025 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Colbert's Rage and History Rewriting 00:14:51
I absolutely love that Colbert got fired.
His talent was even less than his ratings.
Colbert could not hide his constant rage that Donald Trump was president.
He perpetrated a lie.
He told American people that Biden was fit and he has yet to apologize for that.
Him.
You know, I did watch that and think he's got a point.
You can't just rewrite history to fit whatever convenient narrative they want.
Well, that's what you do, Lindy.
That's what you're known for rewriting history.
There's now a genuine bona fide superstar in the game.
And I don't care about her skin color.
She's fantastic.
Can we put this into perspective?
Because the WCNPA is making $200 million a year versus $10 billion for the FBA.
So when they wear t-shirts that say, pay us what you owe us, it actually means you should give us a pay cut.
Stephen Colbert says the gloves are off for the remaining run of the late show after CBS canceled it last week.
Trump's critics say it's down to political pressure.
Colbert's critics say it's down to the show's $40 million annual losses.
Elsewhere in talk show land, the queen of kindness, Ellen DeGeneres, who was cancelled for being very unkind, now says she's permanently moving to the UK to avoid the president.
And a certain Hansie Duo, a Saturday's coplade gig, might be tempted to follow her.
Their extramarital Trist, now seen by tens of millions of people, has sparked a lively debate about the morality of the concert Jumbatron.
What drew me to debate all this, former DNC fundraiser, Lindy Lee, host of the Bad Faith podcast, Brianna Joy Gray, former Carmela Harris, senior advisor and organizer of White Dudes for Harris, Mike Nellis, and Mickey's uncensored debut, host of Brad versus everyone, Brad Palombo.
So welcome to all of you.
Okay, let's talk first of all about Stephen Colbert.
Brad, you kick us off.
I've seen all sorts of distraught liberals crying around about all this, but it seems to me a fairly straightforward decision on multiple levels.
One, the show was apparently losing $40 million a year.
Two, ratings for all late night, with the exception of Greg Gutfeld at Fox, have basically been tanking now for a couple of decades as people gravitate actually to shows like this.
And thirdly, Colbert could not hide his constant rage that Donald Trump was president.
And it may have worked for a bit of the first term, but when you start doing it all over again in the second term, and people think I've got four more years of this again, I don't know why they would ever think that's going to resonate with the public.
And I want to play a clip before you answer.
This is Jay Leno talking to me about what should happen in a late night show.
Let's watch this.
I just stopped doing politics and my act altogether because, you know, when I did the tonight show, the idea was you made fun of both sides equally.
And you get those Leno, you and your Republican friends.
Well, Miss Leno, you and your Democratic buddies, you know, and they'd both be angry.
And I go, well, that's good.
You know, they both think you're supporting the other guy.
Now you've got to take a side and people are angry if you don't.
And I find what I would start to tell a political joke, well, they want to know the punchline before, is this pro or against?
You know, so I just, I just stopped doing it.
And he was so smart, I think, Jay Leno.
It's a bit like, you know, Johnny Carson.
He famously never took political sides.
He just, you know, teased and mocked everybody, but in quite a warm way.
Now they all see themselves, whether it's Jimmy Kimmel, whether it's Stephen Colbert, you know, all of them.
I mean, Jimmy Fallon, not so much, but I just think the other big ones, they can't hide their open disdain for someone who's been re-elected president and has more than half the country who like him.
Yeah, look, I think the market has spoken.
And when you have a show that's losing $40 million a year get canceled, that's not some act of fascism or creeping censorship or any of the things that I've seen it described by panicked, breathless Democratic politicians and liberal media critics.
I mean, even on when they were granted anonymity, insiders at CBS, which probably lean liberal, probably don't like Trump, told CNN that this was a financial decision, not a political one.
So the doomsday rhetoric about it is really misplaced.
And it's part of a broader boy who cried wolf phenomenon with Trump, who I think has done a fair number of genuinely concerning things.
But many in liberal media and many Democratic politicians can't help but dial up the alarmism to a 10 every time he does almost anything.
And in this case, when he didn't do anything at all.
So I think they're really discrediting themselves and legitimate criticisms they might have about his positions on free speech or the free press when you look at him retaliating against the Wall Street Journal recently and other things.
Stop this constant meltdown mode over everything.
Yeah, I mean, Brianna, I just don't get why they think it's a winning proposition to be just screaming constantly about Donald Trump.
You know, you can have your problems with Trump.
I've been very critical of Trump over the years and I've been supportive when I think he deserves it.
But this hysteria, which has permeated into late night, completely changing the mood of late night television in America from one of kind of warm mockery of all political classes to extremely partisan activism in favor of one over the other.
You know, just because you think a few liberals may not like it if you say anything positive about Trump or don't hammer him enough.
I just don't get that at all.
Yeah, I like what you said about the host not putting themselves in the position of taking sides, but I would modify that a little bit.
I think they should sort of take a side.
They should take the side of the public, right?
They're supposed to be there to skewer both parties, to skewer politicians and elites who are not representing their interests on a fundamental level.
And when you get to a place where it becomes not taking the side of the public, but being partisan in nature, I think that's part of what you can attribute the dwindling audience of these mainstream cable shows too.
That being said, it is concerning given the backdrop of all of this, the CBS merger with Skydance and some reporting that there's concerns that a more pro-Trump sort of ownership might be leading the networks to sort of reorganize themselves to basically censor content creator,
the hosts and such of their shows to anticipate making the politics of running these corporations a little bit easier in the Trump era.
And one thing that's a little bit difficult to suss out what's going on here is that because across the board, these cable shows are doing so poorly that it's very easy to attribute cancellation to them not making money.
Like that is obviously true.
It was true of Joy Ann Reed as well, right?
I know you recently had an interview with her.
You've been very critical of Joy Anne Reid over the years.
And you can plausibly say her show wasn't making money.
It wasn't doing well.
But it is also true that her show hadn't been making money for a while.
And maybe it was her escalation in being critical of Israel that was the but for factor.
I honestly don't.
I saw you said that.
I don't think it was that.
I mean, look, Joy Reid accused me after that.
I never even met Joy Reid.
I've nothing against her.
It's fine.
She's had a whack at me a few times.
I've whacked her a few times.
She came on and she accused me of a race baiting ambush.
And she pulled up an email from my booker with the invitation, promising a free-flowing conversation covering several topics in her wheelhouse, including the Trump administration, Elon Musk establishing new political party, ICE raids and news of the day, as well as Reed's departure from MSNBC and her new online venture, which is exactly what we talked about.
It's just there were a few, there were a few other things in her life, which given I'd never interviewed her, I thought would be quite interesting to ask her about.
And she threw her toys out of the stroller.
And apparently it was all race and race baiting ambush.
Nonsense.
I'm so glad you brought that up because her reaction was emblematic, I think, of why people are so frustrated with liberal hosts like hers.
Look, I'm coming from the left.
I remember when she was spending most of the time during her show lambasting Bernie Sanders, punching left, defending the Democratic Party as an entity and the kind of leaders of the Democratic Party or who seemed to be the establishment pick in the 2019 era, 2020 primary, because for her, it did really feel like it was about partisanship as opposed to what was popular at the time, which was this left populism in Bernie and the right populism that was represented in Donald Trump.
And when the stories about her old blog came up in the homophobic comments, I completely agree with you, Piers, that I'm personally, personally very tolerant of personal growth.
If she wanted to say that she's changed her mind over the years and we should forgive and forget, like I'm not interested in hanging her over some opinion that she had 15, 20 years ago, but the insistence that the FBI needed to be hired.
It was all ridiculous.
She obviously wrote it and then felt embarrassed.
And that's fine.
Mike Nellis, I mean, let's talk about Joy Reid first of all.
Joy Reed was fired because she was losing ratings, losing money, and losing popular appeal.
People just found it very boring.
And I want to play a clip of Jon Stewart, who I really like Jon Stewart.
I'm never a big fan of Joy Reed's output, but John Stewart, I am.
But this was his reaction to Colbert getting let go.
Little bit quiet.
Fuck, fuck, fuck yourself.
Just go fuck yourself.
I mean, come on, John.
You know, why be so hysterical about it?
Apart from anything else, Colbert's getting a 10-month way to go out.
I mean, 10 months more of presumably, as he just did last night, hammering Trump every show.
It's going to be unbelievably tedious to watch and proof, really, of why he had to go because he's just too partisan.
Well, it's too bad that's the part of the Stewart segment that you played because the monologue that he had before was actually pretty good.
And then he ended it with an incredibly glitchy song and dance number that I thought undercut the entirety of it.
Look, we're going through some big changes in the media landscape right now.
And I think Colbert and Joy Reed both are emblematic of that.
With Colbert in this case, two things are true.
I think it's pretty clear that Donald Trump of the White House put pressure on Paramount to get rid of him.
And Donald Trump basically said as much.
He's literally celebrating it on social media.
He's saying I don't think Trump had anything to do with that.
No, Trump is listening, Pierce.
Trump is going on true social and he's celebrating Colbert getting canceled and he's saying that Jimmy Kimble should be next.
He's happy about it.
What are the example of Donald Trump using the power of the federal government?
You know, guess what, Mark?
Might finish my point.
But Mike, but Mike, here's my point.
Guess what?
Guess what?
Donald Trump is happy that a guy that's been slagging him off for eight years on it anymore.
I'd be happy.
Fine.
Let me make my second point, though.
The format of late night TV, really cable news in general, is completely broken.
So I actually think Colbert getting canceled will be the best thing for him because Colbert's a funny guy.
He's a good interviewer.
He's got good stories to tell.
He was better on the podcast that he had during the pandemic with the other, or excuse me, not during the pandemic, during the writer's strike.
He'll be better in whatever he does next than this because he's sort of devoted to a platform that's dying.
I think the same would probably be true of Kimmel and Fowl, whenever they eventually get canceled.
Yeah, it doesn't end up like Jimmy Costa, who has a very successful sub stack in which he's now full on Trump bashing.
And that's fine.
Go on substack, be full on Trump bashing, whatever, whatever you're doing.
I want it to be different than you having this platform where you can say whatever you want without a big media conglomerate telling you what you want.
So, I mean, people are going out and doing that.
Right.
The difference between me and those guys is that they were unashamedly partisan while they were in their jobs where they were supposed not to be.
And now they can be unashamedly partisan on platforms because they don't need to abide by the old rules, but they didn't anyway.
I mean, Lindy Lee, I've noticed this for Trump has brought out the worst than so many people on the left, right?
Because the best way to pick off Trump is to pick off his ideas, to stay calm.
It drives him nuts when people stay calm.
Stay calm, stay warm, congratulate him when he gets stuff right.
But if you really want to play into Trump's hands, then be full-on deranged.
And if you do that, he absolutely loves it because it shows partisan mainstream bias.
And that's all he wants.
Absolutely.
President Trump loves being a troll.
One thing I do want to mention about Stephen Colbert, I've seen a lot of post-mortems about the situation, but no one has really mentioned that he perpetrated a lie upon the American people.
I helped to co-host a fundraiser that he did on March 28th, 2024 at Radio City Music Hall with Obama, Clinton, and Biden.
And by that time, Biden was so decrepit, he had trouble walking off the stage, had trouble articulating any thoughts.
Our event was also just bombarded by like 10 different protesters.
The event was a complete disaster, but Stephen Colbert was a headliner for that event.
He told the American people that Biden was fit, that he was somehow a genius behind closed doors, that he's running circles around everybody, just that we just shouldn't believe our lying eyes, that his sky wasn't fit.
And he has yet to apologize for that.
How do you have any credibility left without issuing a malcalpa?
How do you have any sort of trust with most of America when you basically designated half of them as liars, as conspiracy theorists?
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, isn't it?
I'll come back to you, Brad.
Hunter Biden's given this explosive podcast interview, which I have to say.
Unbelievable.
Extreme.
Shameless.
Shameless, but actually incredibly watchable and interesting.
And I can't, you know, as a father of three sons, I quite admired him going into bat for his dad in such an unbelievably full-on, aggressive, torching way.
Treating that fascist.
But let's watch this clip of what he said about George Clooney.
Fuck him.
Fuck him.
Fuck him and everybody around him.
I don't have to be fucking nice.
Number one, I agree with Quentin Tarantino.
Fucking George Clooney is not a fucking actor.
He is a fucking like, I don't know what he is.
He's a brand.
And by the way, and God bless him.
You know what?
He supposedly treats his friends really well.
You know what I mean?
Buys them things.
And he's got a really great place in Lake Como.
And he's great friends with Barack Obama.
Fuck you.
What do you have to do with fucking anything?
Why do I have to fucking listen to you?
What right do you have to step on a man who's given 52 years of his fucking life to the service of this country and decide that you, George Clooney, are going to take out basically a full-page ad in the fucking New York Times?
Biden's Brand and Jumping Ship 00:08:36
You know, I did watch that and think he's got a point.
I mean, I did find the way that people like Clooney behave where they're all in on Biden right to the point the debate happened and then everybody could see with their own eyes just how just how appalling his cognitive condition had become.
Only at that stage did Clooney press the execution ramp with that New York Times op-ed.
And it did seem at the time very self-serving and disingenuous to me.
And all right, Hunter Biden may not be the most credible witness or defendant here, but actually a lot of what he was saying had a lot of truth about it.
I mean, the way the Democrats, the liberal world, the liberal celebrities all competed to protect the reality from the American people about Biden.
And then the moment they realized they couldn't do it anymore, they chucked him under a bus.
All of it was unedifying.
Yeah, it was really.
Lindy, I'm going to let Brad answer that one.
Sorry, I'll come back to you.
Yeah, it was really quite a 180 degree turn that we saw from many of these people who propped him up for years.
I remember the mainstream media coining the term cheap fakes to talk about videos that were real showing Biden's decline, but just misleading somehow.
A lot of them did do a 180, though I do tend to take the approach in politics better late than never to the correct position.
I will say, obviously, George Clooney stabbed Biden in the back, but maybe he was right to do so.
He just should have done it several years earlier.
I found this Hunter Biden interview fascinating.
He's definitely a character, but it's also the whole thing is insanely hypocritical.
He's saying, who are you to listen to, George Clooney?
Hunter Biden is only known for being Joe Biden's son and being put on boards of Ukrainian energy companies because of his brand as a member of the Biden.
Other than that, Biden family.
Other than that, he's best known for being a deadbeat dad.
And he took shots at the liberal Pod Save America bros, which I'm no huge fan of, but he was like, you just rode being a junior speechwriter for Obama.
And I'm like, okay, but you just rode being the son of a politician.
So, I mean, entertaining to watch.
He makes some good points, but the entire Hunter interview is rife with some really galling hypocrisy and audacity.
You know what?
I think he's just got to the stage, Brianna, where he doesn't give a fuck anymore.
There's no sense of that.
And I think, honestly, I don't blame him.
He's had so much crap poured on his head and his dad's been absolutely buried.
And he's really, a lot of it is just anger at the people who he thinks have just been so disingenuous.
And, you know, I'm not defending for a moment all the stuff Hunter got up to, but my God, as he paid for that.
And I think that a lot of it was just the anger of a son who's watched these people sucking up to his dad, probably in the most nauseating manner.
You know, Clooney with that fundraiser in LA, you know, nothing to see here.
Look at this guy, the next president.
He's great.
And then the first chance he gets where the people can see that's bullshit, he chucks him under a double decade.
I get why Hunter's like this.
Yeah, look, I think Brad really hit it out of the park, but I will say this, as much as the interpersonal dynamics of this are all hilarious and fascinating, as much as it's entertaining to hear him sort of dogpile the Pod Save bros who were also like lead participants in leading the Democratic Party into the disaster that was the Biden candidacy and turned into the Kamala Harris nomination.
The fact of the matter is what we're missing side of is that the people were never given a choice.
This conspiracy in which the Pod Save people participated, in which the Biden family participated, in which the entire Democratic Party participated, as was unpacked in great detail in the Jay Tabber Alex Thompson book.
I talked to Alex Thompson recently on my own show, Bad Faith, about this.
The level of detail of the cover-up is really overwhelming.
All for what purpose?
There simply could have been a primary.
This is about removing democracy from the hands of half the country who are interested in at least exploring an option outside of Donald Trump.
And they were precluded from having that opportunity because the dynasty of the Bidens, the fact of committing to the establishment of the Democratic Party, the unwillingness to even open the door, crack the door to seeing if someone could plausibly beat Biden in a primary and prove their electability in a general election was so distasteful that they lied and ignored the fact that this man was visibly senile even back during the 2019-2020 primary season,
where if you recall correctly, if I recall correctly, both Julian Castro and Corey Booker were sort of summarily disappeared from being future leaders of the Democratic Party after they had the temerity to point out during one of those early debates that Joe Biden didn't seem to be able to remember what he had just said on the debate stage.
Yeah.
I mean, Mike, you were ex-senior advisor to Kamala Harris.
Why didn't she tell the American people earlier what she must have seen on a daily basis?
Well, I was a senior advisor to Harris before she became vice president.
I think ultimately the entire well.
I just wonder why, why do you think she played along with the huge cover-up?
Because she obviously did.
No one was spending more time with him than she was.
I don't think I think it.
Well, look, I think that the entire Democratic Party failed here.
That and I have been public about that for a long time.
I would also say, like, Lindy Lee wants to stand over there and talk about credibility when she was alongside Joe Biden for the entirety of the campaign and never said anything until it was political.
That's totally not true, though.
Because in July, it was no longer political.
You can't rewrite history here.
And I'm not sure.
You thought that there was money to be made by becoming a conservative party.
You can't rewrite it.
And you know what you did, Lindy?
You know what you did, Lindy?
I have said to my Democratic party in a terrible situation because of people like you who then jump ship the first chance they get to get money from MAGA world.
That's exactly what happened.
What money did I get from MAGA World?
You can't just make up shit.
You're making all kinds of money as a conservative influencer right now.
I'm sure you're hawking a book.
You've got some like silly view type show out there.
Like, come on, you were there.
You talk about being there.
You just said it yourself.
And I actually had the guts when most people did.
I had the guts in July 2024.
Mike, are you going to let me talk or not?
Which is your credibility for speaking out.
You didn't say one goddamn time.
You can't ambush against me.
I have every right to respond.
I came out in July 2024.
I went on Fox News Sunday and I said, Biden isn't cognitively fit to run.
The day before, somebody from the White House actually called to threaten me and said, We know you're the president's most loyal supporter.
I don't believe that at all, Lindy.
We know you're going to stay loyal.
Mike, so you can't just rewrite history to fit whatever convenient narrative that you want.
Well, that's what you do, Lindy.
That's what you're known for, rewriting history.
Are you not hearing what I just said?
In July 2024 and before, and I'm on record, Lindy.
I went and I asked Ken Martin, who was then vice chair, do you think Biden's too old to run?
And he said, That's nothing.
He treated me.
You're talking about saying it in 2024.
Sorry, September 2023.
You're talking about saying it in 2023.
Wait, I was saying it in 2020.
Do I get a prize?
Good for you.
It took me a while to realize that.
I bought into it.
Why, Lindy?
Why wasn't that the established media?
Why wasn't that people unable to see what the rest of the world is?
That's the deal.
I have been exiled.
I was banned from the Biden White House.
How is that good for me?
I was banned from the White House for daring to tell the truth.
Okay.
No, you weren't.
I'm sorry.
None of that is true, to be honest with you.
I've been democratic.
You didn't hear your name until you appeared on Fox News the night that we lost.
That's it.
Well, that's not true.
I'm sorry that you didn't hear my name, but I didn't come out and say this.
It's no different than what I'm saying.
Okay, well, look, since we're getting along so far, time out, time out.
I'm not the gatekeeper of anything, but if you're going to tell me about the future of the Democratic Party and where we went wrong, you are part of that problem.
And you know what?
I'm grateful that you switched sides because now they've got one more rifter that you both made your body.
You both made yourself.
That's not true because the Democratic Party didn't pay me a single dime.
In fact, I raised millions for them.
Time out.
Look, why didn't we use this breakdown in the relationship between the two of you as the segue into the other relationship which broke down and probably a few others with it, which was the extraordinary moment of the cold player?
Sorry, Lindy.
I still don't know who this guy is.
HR Failure and Mob Mentality 00:08:34
Like, who is he?
I've never heard of him.
Who?
The CEO of the second from the left.
Oh, Mike Nellis.
Oh, he's a former senior advisor to Kamala.
Is he some internet troll?
Yes, but I think that's a qualification for being on your show, right, Pierce?
Right.
Let's just move on to my segue.
I thought it was an isolated fractured relationships.
We've certainly seen a breakdown in you two and your relationship, even if you don't know who he is, Lindy.
So, this is, you know, this is the Jumbatron hug that went around the world and was to have enormous consequences.
So, you've got this couple.
She was the HR boss, Kristen Cabot, which didn't seem very good HR behavior, given she was caught canoodling with the CEO of the company, Andy Byron.
What do we think of this?
Brianna, let me start with you on this.
I mean, Chris Martin fueled the fire of gossip by saying, I hope you two aren't having an affair or something.
But actually, it was one fan who captured all of this on her phone on the camera, who then posted it.
And that's now had like 100 million views.
What does this whole thing is?
The guy's now lost his job.
She's kept her job for now.
Presumably, some marriages are at risk and so on.
And before you answer, here's a clip of Liam Gallagher at his recent Oasis gig saying this.
Doesn't matter to us who you're fucking fingering with, tingling with, none of our fucking business.
But this one's for the lovebirds anyway.
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So, Brianna, what do we make of this?
It's gone round though.
Everyone's been talking about this thing.
What do we think of it?
Yeah, I think it's a little silly to put the responsibility on two people who've decided to have an affair on a random concertgoer who's filming their experience and happens to upload a funny clip to the internet, right?
Even the person who uploaded it didn't know if those two were having an affair.
It took internet sleuthers some time to even figure out what was going on there and why they had the sort of outsized reaction that they did.
I think there's legitimate concerns to raise about surveillance and CCTV and the Amazon doorbell cameras and all of that and how they're applied and the surveillance state that we all live in.
But attributing the kind of family breakdown and the consequences of their affair to the fact of someone owning a cell phone, are we going to round up people's cell phones now to make sure that cheaters are never caught?
I don't know that those people are going to be able to do that.
I think, Brad, the real problem here was just they were so stupid.
I mean, if you're the CEO of a big company with thousands of employees and you're hugging your HR boss who you're having an affair with, and you're at a cold play gig where they do put people who are hugging or dancing on the Jumbotron, I mean, it just raised questions about judgment.
Yeah, I mean, it's incredibly stupid on two levels.
One, to go out when you're having an affair in public like this, and two, to freak out when the camera panned to you, because if they had just played it cool like a normal couple and kissed, it probably would never have gone viral.
Their spouses probably would never have seen it, and this whole headache wouldn't have happened.
I have a hard time having too much sympathy for either of them because obviously, you know, they're doing an incredibly immoral thing.
They're putting their families through hell.
I will say, though, that I worry a little bit about the extent to which society seems to revel in the downfall like this, like hang on every word of their lives being destroyed and turned upside down.
I'm not sure it's healthy the way that culturally people tune in to obsess to watch someone's life fall apart.
I'm not sure that's good for our souls as viewers and onlookers to take joy in the destruction of other people's lives, even if that destruction is in this case, admittedly brought upon.
I kind of agree.
I agree with that.
I mean, Lindy, the thing about it is we're all thoroughly entertained by this, but the reality of the fallout from that is going to be pretty awful for their families and so on.
And there's a kind of glee that people bring to that kind of thing, which is a modern day curse driven by social media.
Should we be reveling in these things with all the thousands of memes and all that?
It's easy to do it, but do we slightly lose touch of our humanity or do they deserve everything that's coming their way?
Well, that's a good point.
I do want to mention that the astronomer CEO, Andy, he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
So before you have an ounce of sympathy for him, I really think he's going to be okay.
That is my hunch.
And also, I would be about half of that when they're done, though.
I thought there was a mob mentality going on right now.
I do want to say that I love how people have gravitated around the consensus that adultery is bad.
Make adultery bad again.
I think over the past decades with the public.
Well, Matt Walsh.
Matt Walsh actually says that adultery should be a criminal offense punishable by serious prison time for both parties involved.
Okay, maybe not that far, but that's a little bit extreme.
But I think, you know, I think you shouldn't be going to a Cold Play concert, one of the most mainstream events.
Why would you go there and parade around your mistress?
It doesn't even make sense to me.
If anything, with another co-worker, by the way, not just any old co-worker, the HR boss.
I mean, come on.
Mike Nellis, obviously you're never going to get caught in this situation with Lindy.
I think we've established that, certainly, from this panel.
I mean, first of all, the idea of having an affair is exhausting to me.
I can't even imagine like just the logistics of having to do it.
But like, this was a really stupid thing to do.
Matt Walsh's comment about making adultery illegal was also really stupid.
That's definitely not something the federal government should be doing.
That guy has zero chill.
But what I do want to talk about is I agree that I think there is like a reveling and like, ha ha, look at that guy sort of mentality, but I think that's just human nature.
But if the memes are as good as they've been in the last week, I think I'm okay with it.
Like there's been some really incredible ones, like Photoshops of like Pam and Dwight from the office and Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, like a whole AI recreation of them getting caught on screen because Donald Trump doesn't want anybody to know that he was friends with Epstein.
So like I love the memes.
I enjoy them.
I think it's okay to sort of enjoy it when it happens and doesn't make you a mad person for laughing at some.
I think my favorite one is one other thing to that.
Well, my favorite one actually was the one where he said something like, you know, it was a fake apology from the boss and it just said, you know, it was really good.
I'm so sorry.
I'm humiliated.
I'm ashamed.
And blah, it goes on and on and on.
And actually, I never told my wife I was a Cold Play fan.
Can I add just one thing to that, Piers?
That I think part, I understand that it's distasteful to revel in somebody else's misfortune, but I will say that it's not just that.
I think that some folks are reacting to this being a really good example of how HR isn't there to protect employers, something that most of us who've been employed, those of us who've been employed at like a major corporation, understand in a really real way.
For all of the kind of critique around DEI programs and some of the excesses of HR, this is a really good example that a lot of those programs are implemented so that the company can say, hey, we have this policy in place.
You can't sue us.
It protects us.
It doesn't protect you.
And when you have this literal canodling between the head of an HR department and its CEO, it really begs the question, if you were to report something to HR that was obviously against the interest of the CEO, do you think she was going to look out for your interest?
Do you think that she was going to report things up the chain adequately?
Do you think that maybe you would get retaliated against and fired instead of the people who are actually doing something wrong being held accountable?
So I think that some of the shot and fraud isn't just, I'm glad to see rich people fall or I'm glad to see people having an affair fall.
It's showing that these corporations have these legal structures to protect themselves when workers' rights are so fragile and they get to act with such impunity, going out in public, not just at a cold play concert that's public, but with another employee from the corporation, suggesting that it's a sort of an open secret around the people who have immunity and impunity at that organization.
WNBA Politics and Player Pay 00:06:02
I mean, having said all that, you know, 40% of marriages used to start with an office romance.
So I do wonder what's happened to that statistic.
But they're all on Tinder and Grinder now.
Who knows?
Well, I think it's actually higher now because like young people in particular are having trouble finding third spaces to go hang out with people.
So they're spending way more time with their co-workers.
Right, but they can't do anything with the co-workers because it's illegal.
And they'll be fine.
They're probably not having sex with anybody, which seems to me heartbreaking.
I mean, there's also Gen Z isn't really having sex anymore.
I don't think they do, do they?
I think they're missing out.
Talking not of sex, but of matters divided by sex, a huge divide in the wake of the WNBA players wearing Walmart shirts saying, pay us what you owe us at Saturday's all-star game.
Hillary Clinton slightly missed the point.
He said, everyone watches women's sports.
The players should be paid what they're owed.
I stand with the WNBA and everyone else fighting for equal pay, but not actually asking for equal pay.
However, NBA players make 50% of revenue.
WNBA make 9%.
There's no real comparison there.
I've got a question for all of you.
And you may not like this question.
But apart from Caitlin Clark, can any of you name, without looking down at your phones or your iPads, another WNBA?
Brianna?
Sophia, can you?
Hang on, hang on.
Brianna, I need a name of another WNBA player.
Angel Reese.
Okay.
Brian, give me another one.
I was going to say Angel Reese.
Okay, apart from that, apart from her then.
I only know about Sophia.
Hang on.
Hang on, I'm coming to you.
Stop shouting.
Mike, apart from those.
I said Brittany Griner already.
I also said Angel Reese before, but I gave it to you.
And do you know any others, if you're honest?
You know, I'm bad at sports names, period, but no, I don't.
Okay.
And Lindy, other than those three.
I only know about Sophia because she defended Caitlin Clark because she was clobbered on a business.
That's true.
She was great.
But here's my point, really.
Caitlin Grinny.
It's the fake name from the Gillis Espy thing.
Well, that's what I was going to play you.
So this is what Shane Gillis did this at the ESPY Awards.
Let's take a look.
Four-time WNBA all-star Britney Hicks is here.
Give it up for Brittany, everybody.
I'm joking around.
That's my friend's wife.
I knew none of you knew WNBA players.
That's crazy.
You clap with it.
And look, it was very funny.
And it's not to denigrate at all the WNBA.
I think they're terrific players.
But the truth is, Caitlin Clark is an absolute superstar of any sport, of any gender, anywhere in the world.
And the league's just agreed to an 11-year, $2.2 billion TV rights deal with Disney, Amazon Prime Video, and NBC Universal.
TV ratings are up 23%.
Ticket sales are up 26%.
Tenders up 13%.
Everything's surging.
And it's almost entirely down to Caitlin Clark.
And she's been exposed to a lot of rather unfortunate racist undertones, I think, from other players, from fans, and so on.
But the truth is they're all doing well out of the fact that there's now a genuine bona fide superstar in the game.
And I don't care about her skin color.
She's fantastic.
Can we put this into perspective?
Because the WNBA is making $200 million a year versus $10 billion for the NBA.
It doesn't even compare.
So when they wear t-shirts that say, pay us what you owe us, it actually means you should give us a pay cut.
Because then it would be good.
That actually true.
So here are some facts.
You're right, Piers, that the league is making more money than it has historically.
It's the most watched season of all time, and there's been a lot of expansion within the league as a consequence.
But I think there was some misrepresentation or maybe a mistake about the percentage that the players are getting.
The players are saying that because the league is making so much more, whether you want to attribute to Caitlin Clark singularly, I don't think that she can play if she stood on the foul line and just shot baskets that people want to tune into that.
No, she has to have a league and other teams to play with.
So collectively, they're saying that if you earn so much more money as a league, that we should get a cut of it.
And currently, WNBA players receive only 9.3% of league revenue, which is less than one-fifth the share of most other professional leagues.
So what they're looking for is parity as compared to other leagues, not something extra that they're.
But the league's still not profitable.
It's still losing money and it's subsidized by the men's NBA.
That's the problem.
The specific fact is that the WNBA just signed a new television rights deal that will pay the league $2.2 billion over the next 11 years.
There's all of this new money coming in.
So how can you sit there and say when the profits are simply going to major players?
Yeah, Mike.
Yeah.
Can I jump in here?
So we're talking about the WNBA in comparison to the NBA or other major sports leagues.
It's not as old as that.
You have to think of the WNBA as a startup, right?
It's an investment that a lot of different private entities are making, including the NBA, including ESPN with their TV contract, to invest in the future of this.
They've got Caitlin Clark, who is genuinely their first major megastar.
They're going to continue to invest in building other megastars over time.
If they were asking for equal pay with LeBron James and the rest of the NBA, that would be very silly.
But what they're asking for is their basic ability to support their families.
And a lot of times you hear like, look, Caitlin Clark is doing very, very well, I'm sure.
But there are a lot of like mid-tier, lower-tier, aspirational WNBA players who are working second or third jobs just to be able to make ends meet.
And that's not right.
So I think it up a little bit from the top will be good.
Investing in it long term.
And by the way, not politicizing sports.
Like, it's just really silly that they do that.
But the WNBA does that.
Okay, well, that doesn't make any sense when they take a knee on the court or they take a knee on the field.
They are literally injecting politics into sports.
They did that.
We didn't do that.
They did.
Yeah, there was no politics in sports before somebody took a knee.
Meghan Markle in the UK 00:02:40
Right, Lindy?
Never?
Wait, that doesn't completely address my point.
They are the ones who brought politics into sports, the Colin Kaepernicks of the world.
That doesn't address my point.
Stop the armed forces as an advertisement for our military over football games.
That seems pretty political to me.
Okay, look.
I think the military should be a bipartisan concept.
Everyone should support the United States of America.
I agree with that.
Can we just, I was going to end with a debate about Ellen Degenerous.
There isn't time to debate it, but I do want to just report that she has confirmed the wide held belief that she moved to the United Kingdom because of Donald Trump saying everything here is better.
And she says, we got here the day before the election and woke up to lots of texts from our friends with crying emojis.
And I was like, he got in and we're like, we're staying here.
And the only thing I want to say about this is why?
Why the hell do we have to have her?
What have we done in the United Kingdom?
What have we done?
What have we done to warrant Ellen Bloody Degeneres over here?
And when will you take her back?
Any of the layers of Ferrari?
One of you, put your hand up and say, I'm taking her back.
No, we refuse to take her back.
And I just want to speak to the idea that she had to flee America because it is like crap.
Lesbian people is a joke.
Trump appointed the highest level gay ranking cabinet official of all time.
Exactly.
Not remotely homophobic.
Let me also say that Ellen, the real reason she left America is that she left America under a massive cloud because, unlike her on-screen image of being missed be kind to everybody, all her employees queued up to brief that she was one of the least kind of human beings on the planet.
So she became very unpopular, lost her big gig, and everybody took against her for being the very opposite of what her public image was trying to pretend she was.
And that's why she's come here.
To which, again, I simply ask, what have we done to deserve it?
Nothing.
But you can keep Megan Markle.
Like no crocodile tears.
We want you to keep.
We'll take Prince Harry back.
You keep Meghan Markle and we send back Ellen DeGeneres.
Is that a fair swap?
We don't want Meghan Markle as well.
Please, thank God.
Brianna looks like she would like to keep Meghan and possibly keep Ellen.
Brianna?
I don't really care.
I think there's a lot of really important stuff going on in the world.
I got a little distracted because I'm thinking about an interview I have to do in a second about the Palestinians.
You know what?
You're right.
So I'm sorry.
Keeping Markle, Sending Back Ellen 00:00:35
100%, 100% right.
And I appreciate you staying with us as long as you have.
I appreciate all my panel.
Thank you all very much.
I'll talk to you again soon.
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