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Why Twerking Backfired
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| Did they think twerking like trailer trash teens would endear them to the public? | |
| To me, that is irrelevant. | |
| Trailer trash! | |
| How can they be racist? | |
| Trailer trash does not mean anyone's ethnicity or colour. | |
| Twerking is a cash. | |
| So why would you say it doesn't? | |
| Megan is not a white woman. | |
| So we've only associated twerking with white women. | |
| Why is it racist now when it's Megan Marvel? | |
| Because you're saying that she's trailer trash. | |
| Most people I saw commenting thought it was a very tacky thing. | |
| But it's true, Piz, you can't deny that this has all happened because of unconscious buyers running through the UK press. | |
| Oh, please. | |
| All of this hate you were just this. | |
| No, it's not nonsense. | |
| They put little emojis on their faces like they're supposed to protect them. | |
| Either use your kids, use your kids, or don't use them. | |
| Can I just say the bump argument? | |
| If a surrogate had those babies, there is a question as to whether or not they're in the line of succession. | |
| Never complain and never explain was the late Queen's motto for royal PR. | |
| For Harry and Megan, it's more a case of never reign and never abstain, especially when it comes to nauseating self-publicity, which invariably backfires. | |
| After a series of high-profile flops, including Harry's disastrous polo series and Megan's lifestyle show, they appear to be making a dignified retreat into irrelevance. | |
| Well, no such luck actually. | |
| They're currently bombarding the tabloid machine with heartwarming snapshots of their perfect California lives. | |
| This weekend, they shared totally obscured snaps of a family day out to Disneyland. | |
| And a week ago, they gave us this. | |
| Sometimes, I don't know, words seem superfluous, really. | |
| Megan shared that bedside twerking video taken shortly apparently before she gave birth to Lilibet. | |
| Remember the child that she named after the Queen's private nickname that was given to her by Duke of Edinburgh without getting permission from the Queen. | |
| Anyway, it was to silence online trolls apparently who basically claimed she was never pregnant at all. | |
| Instead, the videos emboldened conspiracy theorists. | |
| They're calling it Meg Spiracy. | |
| And the pair are being subjected to yet more merciless ridicule. | |
| So what will be next? | |
| A presidential campaign, a leaked sex tape? | |
| That can't be far away. | |
| Or maybe a freedom flotilla from Montecito to the Gaza Strip with Greta Dunberg. | |
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Royal Hypocrisy Exposed
00:15:17
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| We're joining me to discuss all this. | |
| The host of Kinsey Schofield I've filtered, Kinsey Schofield, uncensored contributor, Ava Santina, and comedian in Inverted Commerce, James Barr. | |
| Great to see you all. | |
| I missed you too. | |
| I've missed you guys. | |
| Lovely to see you. | |
| Kinsey, I feel like Michael Corleone in Godfather 3, when he gets, he's tried to leave the bad stuff behind and go legitimate. | |
| And then he gets dragged back in by an incident. | |
| And he just, every time I try, they just suck me back in. | |
| That's how I feel about these two. | |
| I don't want to talk about them. | |
| I feel like we shouldn't have to. | |
| And yet all the papers have been full of it for the last week. | |
| So here we are. | |
| And we're off again. | |
| And it'll be... | |
| Well, what do we say about this? | |
| Well, I've been dying to ask you, because I know you spent time with Princess Diana and Megan. | |
| I saw Megan trying to recreate Princess Diana moments with the Disney pictures. | |
| Do you ever get the sense that she's trying to do that? | |
| Or do you see any of the real Diana in Megan? | |
| Did you? | |
| No. | |
| Really? | |
| Fuck no. | |
| Sorry, we are on censor, but oh my God, the idea there's any comparison between Diana, who was the biggest star in the world, probably arguably, along with Donald Trump, the biggest star there's ever been on the planet. | |
| You cannot compare Princess Diana to President Trump. | |
| That's fame. | |
| I would say those two are the two most famous people I've ever seen. | |
| No, but isn't one fame and one, you know, infamy. | |
| Fame is fame, right? | |
| Fame is how well known are people. | |
| I've read somewhere that Trump gets the publicity oxygen in global media of the next thousand people in the world combined. | |
| Right. | |
| So I'm purely basing it on that, really. | |
| And he lives in the digital age, which massively increases fame. | |
| You also see with Harry and Megan, they get, well, Megan specifically, her social media gets a significant amount more views than the Prince and Princess of Wales. | |
| But I think that it's all about spectacle. | |
| I think it's almost shameless. | |
| It's less about substance, which is what we do get from the Prince and Princess of Wales. | |
| And it's more about clickbait and generating her own headlines. | |
| Well, this is my thing, James. | |
| All right. | |
| This is my problem with it. | |
| As always with these two. | |
| And bear in mind, just to remind people, because I did know her a little bit before she met Harry, and then she obviously ghosted everyone. | |
| She rejected you, right? | |
| Of course, she rejected me, yeah. | |
| Yeah, whatever. | |
| It doesn't matter what it, what did she say? | |
| Well, it kind of does matter, doesn't it? | |
| Well, not really. | |
| What do you think? | |
| I actually tried to do what with her? | |
| I have no idea. | |
| I wasn't there. | |
| So why would you say I was rejected? | |
| Well, what happened then? | |
| What happened? | |
| She asked to have a drink in my local pub. | |
| I met her for an hour and a half. | |
| Right. | |
| And then went back to my immeasurably better looking wife. | |
| So the idea that somehow I was rejected by Meghan Markle is so utterly ridiculous. | |
| And yet people like you promote these scurrilous rumors. | |
| But there's got to be a reason why. | |
| No, I'm not angry with her. | |
| Here's my thing with them. | |
| I'm angry at their hypocrisy. | |
| I'm very angry about the ongoing attacks and diminishing of the reputation of the royal family and the monarchy. | |
| And before you play what a battery, yes, I was about Prince Andrew, who had far more serious things that were going on with him. | |
| Yes, I wasn't about other people who did it. | |
| I believe in the monarchy and I love the royal family. | |
| And anyone that sets out to systematically destroy that brand as they've done and simultaneously make millions from fleecing their royal titles, I find that I find that anger-making. | |
| Yes. | |
| You basically think that's not really, but I think you can hold both of them. | |
| Here's my question for you. | |
| Here's my question for you. | |
| Is that I was actually very supportive of them right to the point they got married. | |
| Most people were in this country. | |
| Their wedding day was a unified day of celebration. | |
| The media were unbelievably positive about them. | |
| And then after they got married, it all went wrong. | |
| And I've written a lot about this where I said what happened was they began to do things which appeared to be very hypocritical. | |
| And when they got criticized by the media in a way they weren't used to, they reacted very badly. | |
| And then the relationship with them and the media got increasingly toxic. | |
| And by the end of that first year, it was all hell-breaking loose. | |
| But it became because they were doing things, if you remember, like they were using Elton John and George Clooney's private jets like a taxi service when they were also preaching about carbon footprint. | |
| They tweeted about poverty and the need to take it more seriously and be aware of Poverty Day on the day she had a half a million dollar baby shower in New York, right? | |
| And so on and so on and so on. | |
| People you never say this about King Charles. | |
| No, no, I will. | |
| What's about the environment? | |
| Don't play what about him. | |
| Don't play what about him. | |
| That's a fair point, though, isn't it? | |
| It will be. | |
| We'll come to that in a moment. | |
| But on the hypocrisy front, I think that as all the royals get, they were criticized for hypocrisy. | |
| The difference is they went DEF CON one because they couldn't handle it. | |
| And then the relationship with the media broke down and then they left the country and so on. | |
| But why did they leave the country? | |
| They wanted freedom. | |
| They wanted their privacy. | |
| They wanted to be left alone. | |
| All of these things. | |
| Since then, he's carried on, you know, suing everyone that moves, suing particularly over his personal security of the UK when he's hardly here, but to protect his family. | |
| And yet, at the same time, here they are at Disneyland putting pictures up of their kids all over social media for millions of people to look at. | |
| Again, I simply say, James, it's the hypocrisy. | |
| It's nothing else. | |
| It's people don't like the double. | |
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| First thing, I just want to say anyone at Disneyland taking a picture, they're not having a Princess Diana moment. | |
| They're just having a moment with their family. | |
| So it's ridiculous. | |
| Why post it? | |
| It's in this. | |
| It's ridiculous to suggest. | |
| Why post it? | |
| Because they're not. | |
| Why post it if you care about having a Princess Diana? | |
| And she also wasn't at Disneyland. | |
| I think she was at Chessington in the UK. | |
| So it's a bit different. | |
| But she didn't cover their faces with emojis. | |
| What Prince Harry, the media are their own game, right? | |
| Because then the mail can't publish it. | |
| Actually, do you know what? | |
| While we're on the mail, can I read you a headline after that twerking video went out? | |
| The mail published, did they think twerking like trailer trash teens would endear them to the public? | |
| You know, all of that conversation we had, I've had them with you many times, about there being no racism around Meghan Markle. | |
| To me, that is a racist. | |
| It is. | |
| Trailer trash. | |
| How can there be racist? | |
| That's twerking. | |
| Twerking. | |
| Because she's twerking. | |
| No, no, no, but it's the way. | |
| She was literally twerking. | |
| It's the way that they described it, like trailer trash teens. | |
| I mean, you know, trailer twerking is a long standing. | |
| You know, that has emanated out of the actual diaspora. | |
| Do me a favour. | |
| But it is. | |
| And to describe that style of dancing, the trailer trash is the tiger king. | |
| Like, that is the definition of trailer trash in America. | |
| But to liken twerking to that, that is inherently, that has racism. | |
| Oh, bollocks. | |
| It does. | |
| Sorry, I'm sorry. | |
| Complete nonsense. | |
| It does. | |
| And this is the problem. | |
| She would love that. | |
| She'll send you one of her pots of jam for that. | |
| Look, great. | |
| She's played the race card. | |
| That gets me off the bottom. | |
| But it's true, Piers. | |
| You can't deny that this has all happened because of unconscious buyers running through the UK press. | |
| Oh, please. | |
| All of this hate you were just describing. | |
| It's nonsense. | |
| No, it's not nonsense. | |
| Where was the racism on their wedding day when the British press combined to say how brilliant it was? | |
| Hang on, you can't do it. | |
| We finally had a buy one day. | |
| So the rest of it doesn't matter. | |
| But they weren't. | |
| You're rather a visionist with that. | |
| No, I'm not. | |
| Go back and look at the front page. | |
| If I remember correctly, I wrote one of them. | |
| If I remember correctly, in the days leading up to her wedding, her father was all over the tabloids. | |
| He sent her a letter, which was then published in newspapers. | |
| And look, I know brides that say come up to their wedding. | |
| And to be honest, she actually handled that very well. | |
| Other brides I'd known would have flown off the handle. | |
| Can you imagine having your life written out in the papers like that coming up to you? | |
| Only one thing was written out was the father who was banned from the and he was replaced with Oprah Winfrey sitting in his chair. | |
| And all her family were now all his family about, look, you two always defend the investment with these two. | |
| But my point is, it's the hypocrisy. | |
| Okay, being a-hang on, hang on. | |
| Can I ask a question? | |
| I just want to come back to the question. | |
| Answer my question. | |
| The question is, why put your kids all over social media? | |
| Because if all you're banging on about all the time is wanting privacy and protection for those children. | |
| You should know this, Piers, as someone that works in journalism. | |
| There is a difference between the privacy that you decide to share with people yourself and the privacy that is stolen from you. | |
| Right. | |
| And you know for a fact that the British press... | |
| How does it protect their privacy by putting their pictures on Instagram? | |
| Because they're sharing a video that was taken four years ago online now because they feel like they're happy to do so. | |
| And that's completely within their right. | |
| Just because my list is nothing but the money. | |
| No, well the kids are kidding. | |
| I fucking challenge how much they're doing. | |
| The kids at Disneyland. | |
| Doesn't mean that you're now entitled to the people. | |
| They shared them with Daniel. | |
| Disneyland were last week. | |
| Yes, but their faces were covered up. | |
| They were separate. | |
| Barely. | |
| Barely. | |
| And by the way, I have a real problem with somebody that do that. | |
| There's a few people that do that. | |
| They do endless pictures of their kids to show off their parenting skills. | |
| And they put little emojis on their faces like that's supposed to protect them. | |
| Either use your kids and use your kids or don't use them. | |
| To do this is pathetic. | |
| Who's promoting who here? | |
| They are using their children to promote their parenting credentials. | |
| They are. | |
| Either protect their privacy, keep them out of it, or don't. | |
| I also think you... | |
| But you two don't even believe what you're saying. | |
| No, I just think that they've got agency here. | |
| That's the picture that they've decided. | |
| And they're not going to be able to agency to be hypocrites. | |
| No, no, no. | |
| It means that they know when they put those emojis on, it won't be sold to a tabloid. | |
| The tableau's not going to print that. | |
| The tableau's all printed it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Why? | |
| Because it's so desperate to tabloids, aren't they? | |
| They'll probably don't understand why you think that's an issue. | |
| But I also think you run the risk of weirdos now being desperate to know what they look like because you're teasing them with these photos. | |
| You're using your kids to promote yourself. | |
| So it's so dangerous to put a child's face on the internet. | |
| Yeah. | |
| It's so dangerous to put a child's face on the internet. | |
| Why put them on there at all? | |
| Explain to me. | |
| I would agree with that. | |
| But I agree, but with covering... | |
| Do you agree with me? | |
| No, with covering up the face. | |
| I think that's kind of the same thing. | |
| Why put them on Instagram at all? | |
| Well, because they've got a business to promote. | |
| When you're simultaneously counting... | |
| A business to promote. | |
| To protect their privacy, why expose their privacy? | |
| No, but they're talking about agency in their privacy, right? | |
| So because they want control over what is published. | |
| And I think that is totally fair. | |
| They don't want tabloids like rooting through their bins. | |
| And that is fair enough. | |
| Why would promoting your kids on Instagram deter the paparazzi from coming in wanting to take pictures of your kids? | |
| I don't, well, I don't know. | |
| Why wouldn't it only encourage them? | |
| Why wouldn't it make them think, oh, right. | |
| So you're turning your kids into a commercial opportunity. | |
| You want to profit from their exposure all over your Instagram. | |
| You want to get more followers, which will make you more money. | |
| You don't get the hypocrisy? | |
| No, but they've been forced to live a public life. | |
| Maybe not her so much. | |
| I should take that back. | |
| But Prince Harry has been forced to live a public life. | |
| Why should he not share pictures of his children? | |
| And why should they not make a bit of fuck off the back of it? | |
| But he's not. | |
| It is Megan who's like simultaneously selling children's clothes through affiliate links on her Instagram page. | |
| She's got to make cash. | |
| She's allowed to do that. | |
| She's got to make cash. | |
| I mean, how can you expect her to make money? | |
| She can't go and work in Azte. | |
| Like, what's she going to do? | |
| Why not? | |
| Well, come on now. | |
| She will be social. | |
| She won't. | |
| Imagine squeering off the variety red carpet that she was looking forward to being behind the scenes, producing things like Meet Me at the Lake. | |
| But we have seen her step up. | |
| She's a podcast host now. | |
| She's a TV host. | |
| I think that she does like being in the limelight. | |
| And I do think she wants the children to soften her image. | |
| You know what? | |
| None of it's actually working. | |
| That's the reality. | |
| The reason she suddenly got all thirsty on social media is that none of it works. | |
| But it's not. | |
| Nobody cares about her jam. | |
| No one cares about her jam. | |
| She pretended it all sold out. | |
| Really? | |
| Maybe what you did was sell about three jars and claim it's a sellout, hoping that would fuel sales. | |
| Nobody cares. | |
| I imagine it would. | |
| Unless they're trashing the royals, nobody cares. | |
| I mean, people even buy those plates with like the king and queen's face on. | |
| I imagine her. | |
| If they are the senior royals, the jam doesn't sell. | |
| She's now saying she's suspended production or something. | |
| Absurd. | |
| The whole thing, you know, it's all crap. | |
| She's going to open a hotel, which I'll be looking for. | |
| Come on, Bill. | |
| She's definitely going to be checking in. | |
| Really? | |
| I can't wait to visit that. | |
| I'm going to go to the twerking classes. | |
| I don't see a problem. | |
| Let's go back to the twerking thing for a minute, which you say was racist. | |
| I mean, honestly, it's exhausting. | |
| No, no, no. | |
| It's going to trailer trash. | |
| That's the problem. | |
| Well, okay. | |
| What does trailer trash mean? | |
| I don't know. | |
| You have to ask the mail editor. | |
| When did it apply to black people? | |
| Trailer trash means it's... Bang on. | |
| When did it apply to black people? | |
| No, but in that twerking. | |
| Trader trash does not mean anyone's ethnicity or colour. | |
| Twerking. | |
| So why would you say it does? | |
| Twerking. | |
| It has only been. | |
| White people don't twerk. | |
| Only been in the Western consciousness, what, since 2013, when Miley Cyrus did it at the VMAs. | |
| But like, you know, so you said that for the last 12 years at least, it's been white people doing the twerking. | |
| But Megan's. | |
| Are they or not? | |
| Megan is not a white woman. | |
| So we've only so said twerking with white women since Miley Tsarist in 2013. | |
| I'm saying that's when it entered like the Western consciousness. | |
| So why is it racist now when it's Meghan Mark? | |
| Because you're saying that she's trailer trash for twerking. | |
| It was a columnist who thought she was trailer trash because it was a very most people I saw coming to thought it was a very tacky thing to be putting out there. | |
| If Kate and William did this, do you think they're going to be able to do it? | |
| You think they'd ever release it? | |
| If they did not see it, you think Kate would release a twerking video. | |
| Heavily pregnant at the bedside. | |
| Would people say things like that? | |
| The thing is, these two will sell anything about their privacy. | |
| And yet they'll fight privacy battle after privacy battle. | |
| It's total. | |
| I don't agree with that. | |
| We've seen also just like the blatant misogyny about her, like her pregnancy. | |
| Because she's a woman. | |
| No, her pregnancy bump, about whether it was real or whether it was fake and all those conspiracies. | |
| What's misogynist about that? | |
| Well, questioning someone's bump, whether it's real. | |
| You can question everything when somebody puts out a video like that. | |
| You can do it with early life. | |
| I don't think that you do it. | |
| I don't think it was a fake bump. | |
| I think she was pregnant and had a baby. | |
| I think the tackiness comes from somebody who's a member of the British royal family putting out a twerking, heavily pregnant video with him dancing around like a wooden clown. | |
| Oh, it looked a little bit wooden, wasn't it? | |
| I mean, it could have been a bit better. | |
| It's all just embarrassing. | |
| And it chips away. | |
| It chips away the mystique of the royal family. | |
| Anyone can watch that video and not think it is a couple who are in love sharing joy and trying to make it. | |
| Why don't they keep it to themselves? | |
| These private couples. | |
| Because they're public people. | |
| They're not, though, are they? | |
| They're not anymore. | |
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| I think your tweet about a sex tape coming next is quite discreet. | |
| Inevitable. | |
| And incredibly miserable. | |
| Inevitable. | |
|
The Inevitable Tit-for-Tat
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| How could you possibly be? | |
| Inevitable. | |
| Why? | |
| Would you bet your lifetime savings? | |
| Yes. | |
| There will be no sex tape accidentally leaked to turn her into Kim Kardashian or something like that. | |
| I would defend her releasing a sex tape. | |
| Remember, it's always accidental. | |
| Honestly, if she wants to start on OnlyFans, I'll be the first to sign up. | |
| Really? | |
| Do you think it would be great for someone who's the Duchess of Sussex? | |
| I don't think I care about it. | |
| To be a member of the family. | |
| I know you don't, but that's the problem. | |
| You don't care about the royal family. | |
| I do. | |
| I do, Piers. | |
| I was just trying to explain. | |
| Do you think sex work is beneath some people? | |
| Is that what you're asking? | |
| Probably for a member of the royal family. | |
| Yeah. | |
| You probably shouldn't be a hooker. | |
| Yeah. | |
| On balance. | |
| On balance. | |
| A member of the British Royal Family probably ought to steer clear of sex work. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I don't know about that. | |
| You don't know about that. | |
| That sort of implies that, you know, ever believe anything you actually say on the show. | |
| On this show. | |
| I think you talk about things like, you know, the state of poor people, and I believe you believe it, right? | |
| When you talk about stuff like this, I look into the soul of your eyes and I see somebody who doesn't believe a word. | |
| Look, she's a hard defense, I have to say. | |
| But I just, I just, I do think the tabloid furor around her is uncalled for. | |
| Yeah, but the problem is, because on a serious point, Kizzy, my thing about that is, like I said, I don't want to be doing another bloody segment on Meghan Mark Harry, right? | |
| Except that they compel people to do it. | |
| Because what this show does, it covers the news, it covers what people's talking about. | |
| If all the papers are full of her twerking and them going off to Disneyland and plastering emojis over their kids' faces whilst selling the kids on their social media and so on and bleating about privacy, it makes them newsworthy. | |
| So you either then ignore what people are talking about and debating and having all the silly stuff about the fake bump and so on, or you embrace it and we do a debate and it's always the same stuff, right? | |
| You two are never going to give an inch. | |
| I'm never going to give an itch the other way. | |
| And it's like, I feel like we're losing time from our lives. | |
| We're never going to get back with these people. | |
| I would love to see her more political. | |
| Oh, my God. | |
| I would love to see her. | |
| I can't think of anything I'd rather less here. | |
| I'd love to see her. | |
| Although, actually, for one reason, I would, because she would get completely torched. | |
| She would be exposed as a rank hypocrite. | |
| If she became a political... | |
| Why would you want a woman to fail like that, though? | |
| No, no, no. | |
| I do think they're going to be able to do that. | |
| I think the pair of them, I'd like them both to run for office. | |
| My irritation is, in a way, in a way, Megan Markle has gone back to live in California and she's living the life she probably wanted all along. | |
| A life of unparalleled luxury and riches that she got by marrying her handsome British prince. | |
| She's living back in the state that she came from and she's got her chickens and her dogs and her kids and everything. | |
| And that's fine. | |
| I don't really care about her. | |
| He's the one that continues to cause enormous damage to the royal family because he's the king's son and he keeps whacking them away. | |
| The king won't even see him, Kinsey, because he doesn't trust him not to immediately go and brief People magazine about the conversation. | |
| That to me is on a human level heartbreaking, but on a bigger level, it is damaging to the royal family. | |
| He's out there, this renegade royal, wanting his royal cake and eating. | |
| That's my problem with him. | |
| I don't even, she's kind of irrelevant now, right? | |
| She's back in LA or wherever she wants to be. | |
| It doesn't really matter what she does. | |
| She just does stuff. | |
| It's embarrassing. | |
| He is the king's son. | |
| It is immeasurably more harmful what he gets up to. | |
| Well, and a lot of the royal watchers were complaining that they felt like her posts on social media where she barely shows the kids is almost taunting the king who doesn't know these children and how unfair this is. | |
| Because he is the king, but he's also a man with cancer. | |
| And I think a lot of times we forget that he's battling cancer because he shows up every day and works. | |
| And it does feel insensitive knowing that he's been struggling and not able to see his grandchildren. | |
| But I just, can I just say, can I just say the bump argument, the reason that everybody's frustrated about it is because if Megan Markle did not have those children, if a Sarah, and I'm with Pierce, I think she had her babies. | |
| But if a surrogate had those babies, there is a question as to whether or not they're in the line of succession. | |
| And that is why everybody's so hired up about it. | |
| Obviously, she gave birth, right? | |
| I don't think even these two would be up for creating a fake story like that. | |
| I just think, James, the problem is all of it to me is just chips away at the magic. | |
| And we talked about Dinah. | |
| Dinah, for her faults, added to the magic of the royal family because she never actually attacked the monarchy as an institution. | |
| She believed in it. | |
| Well, I grew up. | |
| I don't know if they were at the time. | |
| I think they would say that she was attacking the monarchy. | |
| I think the things that they felt she was, I think at the time, not that I was really conscious of what was going on, but reading back on it, like I think they were really unhappy with the way she was conducting herself. | |
| It's only now that you look at it and go, what a hero. | |
| But at the time, the royal family were really upset with some of the behavior that points out. | |
| Well, they're upset about the divorce battle with Charles. | |
| But I would say he was equally culpable in that. | |
| I'd imagine they were judging her hugging victims of AIDS and HIV at the time as well. | |
| And yet, that's one of the things that has made her such an insight. | |
| So, Avron, on that point, it's quite interesting because, like, to me, it's a question of how they go about these things. | |
| That felt when Dinah went to that hospital and shook the aged patient's hand. | |
| It was an unbelievably powerful moment. | |
| When she walked through the landmines of Angola, it was unbelievable. | |
| I remember doing the front page of the mirror, incredibly powerful and really did move the needle and stuff. | |
| What these two do is like there's a mass shooting in another state and they get on a plane and they go and put themselves in there, putting their arm around people. | |
| No one's asked them to be there. | |
| It's not a planned trip. | |
| There's nothing official about it. | |
| They're just, as people call them, they're like grief tourists now. | |
| I don't know if you can see it. | |
| Well, they want to be associated with it, to be a bit like Diana, but they don't do it in a way that is anything other than cack-handed and looks grasping. | |
| But if they didn't go, then you would have a lot to say about it as well. | |
| No, wouldn't it? | |
| Whoever sees a man shooting in America and thinks what we really need is Meghan and Harry did. | |
| Well, when you think about one of the biggest travesties that's ever happened to London, which was the Grenfell Tower fire, you think about the number of people who went down there, like Adele and Stormsey, and we said we really respect them for going down there. | |
| That's just what Megan and Harry are representing. | |
| But they're celebrities. | |
| So are Megan and Harry. | |
| They're not. | |
| They're members of the royal family. | |
| See, but they're all celebrities. | |
| No, there's a difference. | |
| I think also you seem to have a lack of empathy for Harry here. | |
| I do, yeah. | |
| You're saying that he's got zero empathy. | |
| You're saying he's trashing the royal family. | |
| But what he's actually trying to do, I feel, is change the royal family and the system. | |
| How do you think that's going? | |
| Well, it doesn't seem to be going particularly well, is it? | |
| But I know that News UK had to pay out 10 million recently to him. | |
| How happy do you think he is? | |
| Remember, he left for happy family. | |
| I'd imagine he's pretty unhappy. | |
| He left for freedom and happiness. | |
| I imagine he misses his family. | |
| He doesn't talk to his father. | |
| I imagine he misses his family. | |
| He doesn't talk to his father. | |
| He doesn't talk to his only sibling, his brother. | |
| He doesn't talk to his sister-in-law. | |
| He doesn't talk to most of his family. | |
| That is their choice. | |
| He doesn't talk to most of his other senior members of the family. | |
| That is their choice. | |
| And yet, for some reason, he's the villain. | |
| She never sees her father, who lives 70 minutes' drive away. | |
| Her father's never met the kids. | |
| He's the father, by the way, she lived with on her own for seven years. | |
| We shouldn't know that information. | |
| That's the argument. | |
| We know it because they actually had a televised wedding where we could see who was allowed to come. | |
| Yeah, but who published all of the letters the days before that? | |
| You know, we shouldn't know that. | |
| Her argument is you shouldn't be going through my personal information on that. | |
| Harry has never met the father of his wife. | |
| And it's very unique. | |
| He's never allowed. | |
| Well, no, it's not him. | |
| A lot of couples have private text messages in his book, too. | |
| Harry, yeah, but as a response to the way the press has handled his entire life. | |
| No, no. | |
| Harry is really English. | |
| He also, just to be clear, he also revealed private conversations he had with Charles and Williams Philip. | |
| In his opinion, at the funeral of Prince Philip. | |
| I think they're all as bad as each other. | |
| I kind of agree with Ava on that. | |
| I think it is a bit of tit-for-tat. | |
| You know the answer to this, it seems to me, Kinsey. | |
| They should just do what I've said for a few years now. | |
| Just take the titles away. | |
| Let them get on with being Meghan and Harry celebrities. | |
| Adele, whatever, right? | |
| Then you can do what you like. | |
| You could be judged accordingly. | |
| You can do what you like. | |
| It's the problem is doing it under the umbrella of being the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, him remaining in line to the throne. | |
| Because he was born into it. | |
| He was born into it. | |
| And you monarchists really care about that for some reason. | |
| So you can't take it away from him. | |
| That's linear. | |
| I'd take it away from all of them personally. | |
| Well, you take away the monarchy. | |
| See, that's the problem, isn't it? | |
| You don't care. | |
| You like the damage they cause because actually, secretly, you want to get rid of the monarchy. | |
| Look, there are hard defense. | |
| These are very wealthy people who live a very privileged lifestyle. | |
| And, you know, even the king, you know, usurping quite a lot of cash out of UK land, taking money away from our NHS, as we found out not so long ago. | |
| I don't really care for any of them. | |
| So I wouldn't mind if they all disappeared. | |
| As I American, I say that I admire the monarchy because it gives you guys one thing that you can all rally around versus how polarising our party is. | |
| Well, you have been colonised by the UK right now. | |
| So that doesn't matter. | |
| I'm going to say it takes it when an American has to fly the flag in YouTube turn on. | |
| And the nails as well. | |
| And the nails. | |
| Do check out the nails. | |
| All right. | |
| Well, look, I wish we hadn't done that segment. | |
| Well, unfortunately, they suck me back in. | |
| I find them unbelievably irritating. | |
| But you know what? | |
| People seem interested in them. | |
| And they're going to keep doing what they're doing. | |
| We're probably going to keep talking about it. | |
| I wish I was stronger and could just ignore them. | |
| At the moment, that philosophy is failing. | |
| That struggle is real. | |
| But I look forward to the day when that's it. | |
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