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May 5, 2025 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Security Concerns and Family Fracture 00:03:06
I don't know how much longer my father has.
You know, he won't speak to me because of this security stuff.
If you are really concerned about security, to your point, why are you going to Colombia?
Why are you going to Nigeria?
A war-torn Ukraine.
He walked right up to saying, the royal family wants me dead.
I think of them as sort of emotional terrorists.
Americans feel like Prince Harry is sometimes an emotional con artist who fabricates and exaggerates hardships to exploit compassion.
Prince Harry's taxpayer-funded security detail was downgraded when he and Megan stopped working for the royal family and left the country to work on podcasts and TV shows in California, which mainly involves signing off their family.
Harry still gets state-funded police protection in the UK.
He just has to notify them of his trips on a case-by-case basis.
He's not a working royal, therefore he doesn't get the automatic round-the-clock service that a working royal gets.
Most of all, most of the public, almost all of the media, and other judges in one of Britain's top courts, think that is fair enough.
Harry, of course, thinks it's deeply unfair.
He says he's not safe in the UK, although he's reportedly safe enough to order a deliveroo to his friend's house when he was over here last, and to go to Ukraine, which apparently he viewed as safer, clearly, than the UK.
In his bombshell BBC interview, he blamed pretty much everybody, of course, as usual, other than himself, including his father, the king, who is currently, of course, suffering from cancer.
I've never asked him to intervene.
I've asked him to step out of the way and let the experts do their job.
Ultimately, this whole thing could be resolved through him.
Not necessarily by intervening, but by stepping aside, allowing the experts to do what is necessary.
An establishment stitch-up, he called it.
This is, of course, Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex, the Earl of Dunbarton, and Baron Kilkeel.
That's pretty establishment, buddy.
This is a delusional, treacherous, bitter little man who's completely lost touch with all reality, a multi-millionaire who's raking a fortune by regularly abusing his family and regurgitating private stories in books and TV shows while simultaneously lecturing the rest of us about not invading privacy.
It's quite extraordinary, isn't it, that he should expect us to pay for him to live as a celebrity.
In a half-hearted appeal to the sympathy vote, he said he would like to reconcile with his father before crudely and shockingly speculating on his father's battle with cancer.
I don't know how much longer my father has.
You know, he won't speak to me because of this security stuff.
But it would be nice to be nice to reconcile.
You think that's the only reason he doesn't want to talk to you, Harry?
It's not that you trashed him, his wife, your brother, your brother's wife, everybody else, calling them all a bunch of callous racists.
The Royal Institution in Trouble 00:14:44
Think that might have played some part in why none of them want to talk to you or trust you as far as they could throw you.
Now, obviously, if Harry did want to reconcile with his father, then perhaps he wouldn't be repeatedly attacking him on TV.
The fact is that he and Megan have become a waning brand of vanishingly limited interest to the American or the British public.
Their only currency that works is to peddle very unpleasant stuff about the family and monarchy that they abandoned and are now apparently on a mission to destroy.
Now the king can end this feud.
Harry's right.
But not by shaking hands with this treacherous little weasel, but by stripping him and his wife of the royal titles that they love to use for commercial gain without doing any of the work that comes with being a working royal in this country.
And we saw that, of course, as the VE Day celebrations happened this week.
That's what a real royal does.
They don't lounge in a California mansion spending the ill-gotten gains they make from trashing their family.
Well, to debate all this, I'm joined in the studio by uncensored contributor and family lawyer Paula Rone Adrian and Vanity Fair royal correspondent Katie Nichol, plus the United States by the Daily Mail columnist Maureen Callahan and the LA-based royal commentator Kinsey Schoenfield.
So welcome to all of you.
I do want to start, Katie, by saying welcome back because viewers may not know this as to why you've not been on this show for quite a while.
But you actually, it turned out, were secretly, you didn't tell anyone, you were having your own battle with cancer.
You wrote incredibly movingly about it.
You've come out the other end.
You look fabulous.
Thank you.
How are you?
I'm fabulous.
I'm doing very well.
Thank you.
And delighted to be back doing what I enjoy doing.
And actually delighted to see the King and the Princess of Wales, who have, of course, gone through their own cancer diagnosis, you know, putting the spotlight on it, smashing stigmas and doing what the royal family do so well.
So I just think that message is listen to your body.
Something doesn't feel well, feel right, get it checked out.
Well, it's great to have you back.
And I really mean that.
We've been friends a long time and you went very quiet for a long period.
We were all very worried about you.
Now we don't have to worry.
You look fabulous.
So it's great to see you.
Just to start with you, Katie, though, about what's going on here.
If ever we saw the two sides of these two, I call them two, because one's a renegade royal family operating in America, a sort of splinter group, and one is the actual royal family here doing what we expect of them.
The contrast couldn't be more marked.
People doing their duty today in front of hordes of people in London to celebrate the 80th anniversary of VE Day, obviously one of the great moments in this country's history.
And then Harry, you know, in the build-up to this, when it's the last thing the royal family would have wanted, out he comes spray gunning all the royals again, including his father, who, you know, he tells the world now isn't talking to him and disingenuously claims it's only because of this security issue when of course it isn't.
Well, it was extraordinary.
And I've just come off the back of the coverage for the BBC for the VE Day commemorations.
And, you know, you are struck with that sort of the irony of the situation.
You've got the royal family up there representing the armed forces, a military family themselves.
And of course, the one serving member of the royal family, or the one who'd served two tours of Afghanistan, Prince Harry, was notable by his absence.
And I think we'd all hoped that there would be an opportunity that he might be able to come back to Britain in some sort of circumstance.
But frankly, I did.
But his behaviour.
I don't want them stealing all the attention away from the event, which is all they ever do.
Well, coming in there, yapping away, and then going back with all the new information they glean from their family to go and sell it onto American television.
Well, it was very nearly overshadowed, of course, by that BBC interview.
And very much the guidance we were getting from the palace is that please, can we keep the focus of today on the veterans on VE Day, which of course it was.
But, you know, Prince Harry has lost his place at that table.
He has lost his place on that battle.
And just be clear, voluntarily.
Let me bring in Maureen.
I mean, Maureen, I think you share my view of these two.
What's interesting is a lot of people in Britain ask me, I've just been in America for a month, for example, along both coasts.
And they say, you know, what do Americans think of them?
I said, you know what?
I think they just, they find them really dull.
And the only interesting thing they think about them is when they're trashing their family.
And it's all good, juicy, salacious gossip, which is what we saw again with Harry this week.
But it's been diminishing returns for a long time.
And as somebody pointed out to me today, they supposedly left to have a happiness and a freedom.
And yet all we keep hearing is how trapped they still feel and how obviously unhappy they must be to keep complaining.
Well, Pierce, again, I hear this all the time too, from the Brits.
Like, what do Americans really think of Harry and Meghan?
We despise them.
We have come, we have had a conclave of sorts, we have come to a universal uh response.
It's, we are a single organism.
We despise them.
I loved how you described Harry and Megan as sort of a splinter group of of a royal camp in America.
It made me think of you know um, I think of them as sort of emotional terrorists and I think of them it's sort of like ISIS, you know, being an outgrowth of Al-Qaeda, a splinter group, and that's what they're doing.
And I listened very closely to that BBC interview, which was full of rage grievance, a false claim, in my opinion, by Harry that he wants resolution, he lives for unresolved conflict, otherwise he's got nothing going, and also the implication, which shows you how paranoid, delusional and utterly lost he is, Pierce.
He walked right up to saying the royal family wants me dead.
Yeah, it did.
It was unbelievable, all right well, let's turn to the resident.
Uh, they can do no wrong.
Member of the panel.
Paula, you've been on a lovely holiday.
We're following your travails on travails is not quite the right word your luxurious travels uh, through Italy.
So welcome back, looking very well and rested um, go on then try and defend this.
Do you know what let's?
Did you watch the whole thing?
I didn't watch the whole thing, but i've read as much as I can feasibly read.
But I just want to focus on the whole defense thing.
You talk about me defending um the the, the duke and duchess of Sussex.
This isn't about defending.
What this is about actually is me saying, where are we in terms of a monarchy?
Do we want a strong monarchy?
Do we want a long-lasting monarchy?
Yes and yes, because if we do, then we need to stop attacking and start supporting who's doing the attacking.
Now, hang on what we are told.
I don't disagree with you.
I I agree with the first part of that.
Okay yes, I do want a strong monarchy.
Yes, I do want to give it longevity.
I'm a big monarchist.
But the the last part of that, the only attacking, is coming from one side.
There is no attacking from the royal family against these two.
Well, it's only coming from Harry and Megan the last five years against them.
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What is a senior member of the royal family public?
But you know the thing.
You know that senior members never publicly come out and make comments.
So but what we are told is a source said, or a source close to the royal family said.
My point is, look, the royal family are in trouble as an institution.
We know that in terms of the support for the royal family, it there is.
It's in decline.
Did you see the mile today?
It's in, it's in decline and we know that because the polls tell us.
And we know that, particularly in relation to the youth, the younger generation.
And if you, why do you think that is?
And if you are to stop the, because of the relevance.
Could it be because of the relevance?
Could it be because they've been branded a bunch of callous racists by these two?
Well, that that's another thing I need to correct you on.
They never said that their royal family were callous racist.
Those are your words.
No no, those are your words.
Okay, and prince Harry very clearly said, those are not the words that he used to describe.
No, no.
He later blamed the media.
Let me just remind you what they told Oprah Winfrey.
She said that she was suicidal and that when she went to somebody senior at the palace to ask for help, she was told she couldn't get any.
I didn't believe it at the time.
It was.
It never appeared in Harry's book.
She's never repeated it.
There has never been any shred of evidence to support that story whatsoever one.
Secondly, we now know from Omid Rabies whatever his name is ass licking little bird that does whatever they tell him to do from a book that appeared in Holland and I was the one that revealed this that he uh reported that the two royals who Meghan Markle claimed have been racist about the skin colour of her baby even before it was born.
Hang on in conversation with Meghan.
They they want, she wanted us to believe and told the world, via OPRA, that they had raised concerns about the skin colour of her unborn baby.
In what worlds do you think it is likely that Catherine or Charles ever espoused a single racist undertone to any comment about the birth of their unborn child?
And again Paula, it never appeared in his book.
He never repeated it again and nor did she, and in fact he then said later, oh no no no, it was the media that said it was racist, not me, gov. So you agree with me?
No, I agree with you.
I agree with you that he later tried to lie about it, that the words callous, racist are your words.
Again, you agree with us.
When the royal family found themselves at the center of that storm, regardless of who said what, what Harry and Meghan pointedly didn't do was come in and clarify the situation when they could have done.
They enabled that round which caused a huge continental rift, which was the cover story of that fair, and the repercussions have been fast and wide.
And I think part of the problem in all of this is that, as Harry said, actually the king probably did have the power to intervene and sort all of this out if he had wanted to.
Because he is the king.
They don't trust him as far as the concern, he doesn't trust his son.
How can you?
Even when he came back for prince Philip's funeral, he wrote in his book about the private conversations that he, William and Charles had at the funeral, while simultaneously suing every newspaper he could for invading his royal privacy.
I mean, the hypocrisy is beyond, beyond anything i've ever seen.
What are you witnessing?
You are witnessing a broken heart that is allowed to bleed openly.
That is what we are witnessing.
That is what you're witnessing.
An entire arrogant bitter, twisted little man you are, who's had his claws dug into by a manipulative la lady, and the pair of them have gone on a mission, a wrecking ball mission, to enrich themselves by abusing the very institution which bestowed the titles to them which they used To make money, it is the worst example of double-standard hypocrisy you could imagine.
Let me bring in Kinsey, he's been waiting patiently.
Kinsey, you're in LA.
I was there recently.
Like I say, I think Bill Maher said it last weekend that he just, the general view is just total apathy towards them now.
Although I accept, as Maureen said, a lot of people really do hate them.
But they're kind of viewed like a kind of like B sliding into C-list celebrities now.
And my argument would be: okay, fine.
If you want to exist as a C-list celebrity, like everybody else in LA who's at that level, that's no problem.
But you have to give up the titles.
You can no longer be the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
You can no longer call yourselves that or HRH as she does on her ghastly little jams, whatever it is.
You can't do any of that.
In other words, you can't have your royal cake and eat it.
Oh, it's hard to take Prince Harry seriously when he's complaining about real security concerns on international television and watching the family inching close, showing closer to showing the children on social media, with the justification being that this is helping to build Megan's commercial brand.
You know, if you are really concerned about security, to your point, why are you going to Colombia?
Why are you going to Nigeria, a war-torn Ukraine?
You think he would be more considerate.
Ukraine, right after sitting in a courtroom arguing that he didn't feel safe.
I do think that Americans feel like Prince Harry is sometimes an emotional con artist who fabricates and exaggerates hardships to exploit compassion.
He constantly craves pity, often at the expense of the truth.
This isn't the first time that he's told us his father won't talk to him.
Megan Markle told us on the Netflix series, Harry lost his father.
Harry told Oprah Winfrey, my father's not taking my calls.
It later was revealed, alleged by sources that King Prince Charles at the time told Queen Elizabeth, I'm not in ATM because those calls were about money.
So Harry and Megan, they have an issue when it comes to their memory and when it comes to the truth.
You know what, Maureen is very interesting to me is that you don't see them with A-list stars anymore.
And I think the reason for that is they've become very toxic.
And also A-list stars, they said what?
Gwyneth Poutrow?
Well, quite recently.
A-list.
Gwyneth.
I don't know if you've got a response to that.
There's one or two maybe in the last two years.
But the point being, Maureen, that they had a lot of them around them to start with, Oprah and all the rest of them.
But they've become so toxic.
Most big stars now, they want the real royals rocking up at their events.
They want them at their rock concerts.
They want them at their movie premieres.
They want William and Kate.
They don't want the ones that everybody hates.
So they're losing that cachet very fast.
And it seems to me that Hollywood is abandoning them fast.
Hollywood Abandons the Unpopular Royals 00:10:08
Oh, 100%.
I mean, they hit the ground running with alienating the A-list in Hollywood when right after Megsit, they went to that Disney premiere, recall.
And Harry rocked up to Bob Iber, head of Disney, and said, Hey, my wife over here, who's just chatting casually with Jay-Z and Beyonce, never forget the Beyoncé message, the text in the Netflix special.
You were sent here to heal generational trauma.
You know, she's available for voiceover work.
You could see everybody recoil.
Like, what is this?
Nobody will go near them.
To your point, I think more people are keeping their mouths shut about Sean Diddy Combs, who's about to go, whose trial started today for his sex crimes out alleged, than want to be seen with these two.
I think Gwyneth did a very savvy thing by doing a wordless, like five-second clip on Instagram and then dispatching with Megan Markle very quickly.
And one other thing about this disgusting interview that Harry just gave to the BBC, which was supposed to be only 10 minutes in length, went 30, sounded more like a therapy session than any sort of actual news giving, you know, whatever event.
It's me, me, me, I, His father, Prince Charles, is battling cancer.
He intimates publicly, I don't know how long, he actually says it, I don't know how long my father has left.
Disgusting.
He and Megan are repeating history.
They are doing to King Charles what they did to Prince Philip on his deathbed with that Oprah interview.
They are doing what they did to the queen in the run-up to her death and then her, Harry's missives to the media.
Oh, William and Aunt, they left without me.
I wasn't on the plane.
I got the call too late.
Me, me, me.
They're doing it to the king.
And I promise you, Piers, and I'm sure you see this coming.
Once there is a King William, that door is well and truly shut and the title's gone.
Yeah, I think it might be heading that way fast now.
I mean, Katie, you know, it just strikes me that these two, they've tried pretty much everything, but the royal door has slammed.
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I mean, I know a couple of people in the royal family who just say that I don't think almost anyone in the family is now talking to them.
No.
Possibly Eugenie.
That's 10 years after your last meeting with her.
Well, that she didn't like very much.
Yeah, I don't think you'll find both those sisters in the same situation with them.
So I think that it's, you know, it's, I just feel like the drawbridge is up.
There's no, you know, I just don't see how Charles doesn't trust them for a reason.
They've abused that trust so many times.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's been the ultimate betrayal first with Oprah, then the Netflix docuseries, and there's the many interviews.
And of course, Spur, which was just so damaging.
And I think, you know, for the king, you know, I know sources very close to the king who say he desperately wants to see.
I mean, let's, could we just also see the human story in all this?
You know, two little grandchildren who don't see their grandfather.
A king who has cancer, who is doing well, and please God is going to live a long life and do well because he's doing the job brilliantly.
But we don't know.
And then all of this, a fracture in a family that we look to to be a united royalty.
I think he actually.
And it's not.
And it's not.
Yeah, but I think it's more that Charles has been so preoccupied with his health, which has clearly been a very serious situation.
And I think he just is.
As has Catherine, the Princess of Wales.
They've all had more information.
But I think they're just too tired to think about these two.
I mean, Paula, I'm trying to, all right, let's try and get to the humanity here, right?
I'm trying to think, I've got three sons.
If one of them did this, as a father, obviously, when we've seen it actually with David Beckham, right now, with Brooklyn Becker, we've snubbed all his 50th birthday, which I never thought would happen with.
They all seemed a very tight family.
And what did Brooklyn do?
No offense to our American ladies down the line, but it seems to me every time one of these Brits gets involved with an American woman, all hell breaks loose in their family.
I'm just casting aspersions across the pond because you're not here to defend yourselves physically with me in the room.
But I've told my son to stay away from the Yankworth.
That's a joke.
It's a joke.
But Paula, on the human side of this, let's try and get to the humanity.
All right, so they've all fallen out.
They've had a massive thing.
You've got Harry behaving like an idiot, whatever.
This picture, though, that she posted was so calculated.
You know, after Harry says, well, you can't have any reproach from it until the security issue gets done.
There's a picture of Harry walking away with his kids, one on his shoulder, one holding his hand from behind, using the kids again for promotional reasons whilst protesting they want privacy for their children, putting them in the public domain, but walking away.
It's very deliberate, very calculated.
It's like, we're walking away from you people.
You know, Charles, you might be suffering from cancer, but if you don't give me what I want, you're never seeing your grandkids.
That's what that was about.
Well, let's flip that.
Let's flip your very negative view and try and look at a personality.
It's not just me.
Oh, I appreciate that.
Do you mean anyone that agrees with you these days?
I appreciate that because the job that has been done in terms of helping this tragedy to widen to the extent that it has has been fantastic.
It has been so impressive.
And to answer more of it, I don't know.
I don't know.
There are lots of people who are.
Could it be the two people who've been on Oprah, Netflix, podcasts, BBC interviews?
Could it be those two who are the only ones in this whole saga doing any talking?
It would be so easy, wouldn't it, just to blame one person?
But we're talking about a family and we're talking about a family tragedy.
And Piers, you and I, we always have this backwards and forwards about everyone's truth, but we're dealing with a family.
And you know that in a family.
There's only one truth.
And you know, in a family situation, the dynamics are seen from every single angle.
Okay, so that's looking at it humanely.
The other thing that we need to consider is, as Katie quite properly said, we've got a grandfather here who's not been able to see his grandchildren.
We have thousands of grandparents.
Two.
Two grandparents.
Because you have her father has never met, even met Harry.
Right?
And this is incredible.
She's managed to, Meghan Markle, who'd already spoken to her.
Megan Sussex.
Yes.
No, she's not Meghan Markle today.
Sorry, sorry.
Wait a minute.
Grandparents.
I come from Sussex.
I've spent more time in Sussex this week just gone than she ever has.
It was a title that was given to her.
I'm not giving them the titles anymore.
I'm not.
Well, it's not in your power to take their titles away.
It's in my power to call them what the hell I want.
It's my truth.
And my truth is they're not the Duke and Duchess of Sussex anymore.
Well, that's my truth.
I know you would respect my right to have my truth.
I appreciate my share of facts.
But we know that you're wrong about that.
And that's fine.
That's absolutely fine.
But, you know, thousands of grandparents make applications to the family courts every year in an attempt to see their children.
And what I understand from international reports.
And you know this area of my life.
I know that very, very well.
And what I understand from international reports, and Katie, you might correct me on this one, but what I've read actually is that the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Sussex are attempting to reconcile the brothers, are attempting to reconcile.
That's absolutely untrue.
And I really hope that you're not.
I'm told Prince William would literally rather shoot himself.
Honestly, I hope it's true because it's important.
No, no.
You are seeing a decline in the status of the monarchy because it's stronger.
Together is stronger.
Do you accept that what Harry and Megan have done for the last five years has damaged the monarchy?
I accept that this situation has been handled so badly.
And it is really disturbing to see that the men in grey suits that Princess Diana referenced have failed to learn from the very obvious lessons that they got wrong with Princess Diana.
There's no comparison.
Prince Harry makes a comparison and has allowed this to get to the absolutely diabolical state that it's in at the moment.
I am gobsmacked that people didn't step in earlier.
Oh, they've tried.
They've all tried.
Trust me, they've all tried.
Well, how do we know that?
I am very reliably told.
From a source.
No, no, my sources are.
From a source, no doubt, close to the royal family.
I won't say who my sources are, but I'm very reliably informed.
And a reconciliation is some way off.
Oh, yes, I mean, it's not exactly.
It's very important to just make that point.
Sorry, it's non-existent.
It's non-existent.
Harry wants to policy.
He'd rather shoot himself.
Let me bring in Kinsey again.
What happens here, Kinsey?
What's the end game for all this?
I think the end game is that Harry and Megan continue to monetize and continue to utilize their proximity to the British royal family as much as they can.
I mean, perhaps this was just Prince Harry reminding us that he's the son of the king, because that's the only currency they have here in the States.
That's the only thing that makes them relevant.
You know, Megan's podcast has fallen off the charts.
She's been criticized for the content.
You know, there are rumors that her as ever launch wasn't as successful as she considered it.
Critically, With Love Megan was not a success.
Megan's Failed Podcast Launch 00:03:14
So I think that every once in a while, they just have to remind us that they are attached in some way, shape, or form and stir the pot.
Well, let's take a look at some of this podcast because honestly, just when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous, there's a clip where she emails her young kids every night, even though they're there.
Let's take a look.
And so I'd created for the kids these email addresses that sort of like names again that you would never guess that I will give them at some point in their lives when they're older.
But before I go to bed, almost every night, I email them.
Wow.
I email, because it doesn't have to be a heavy lift.
And you email them like, here's a report card from today.
Oh my gosh, was it the funniest thing this morning?
Or here's a picture of you two having breakfast.
Or here's you playing with the things that you're not going to frame, the things that you're not going to put penned to paper in a journal.
But they will end up at one point in their life, maybe when they're 16 or when they're 18, that I say, here's an email that I've been keeping for you.
Because that's really what you want me, you're 18.
40,000 emails, Maureen, from your mother about every time you burped in public.
You know what's really interesting about that clip?
That's not actually her podcast.
It's her appearing for the first time on other podcast barefoot, no makeup, you know, the usual weird manipulative kind of thing.
You're trying to send some message about it.
I knew her a bit before she met Harry.
She was nothing like that.
She didn't speak like that.
She didn't, her mannerisms weren't like that.
This is all fake, right?
She was a real hard-nosed LA girl, right?
Who was on the fast track?
Now she's like this, oh, I'm soft, I'm mummy, I'm this.
It's all bullshit.
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Fact-Checking Extreme Accusations 00:11:46
Now she's this beatified saint.
I'm guessing when you knew her, our impression of her was she was a striver on the hustle and she was on the prowl.
Actually, perfectly likable.
This is the weird, the weird thing.
I said it at the time.
Perfectly likable and perfectly fast.
But there's no doubt the way she then ruthlessly cut everybody out of her life the moment she met him showed a very different side.
That then you heard all the stories about the first marriage and what was going on there and how she cut everybody out.
Then you realized she cut all her family out.
And then Oprah and George Clooney are sitting where her dad should have been at the wedding and so on.
The whole thing unraveled very quickly.
And interestingly, Maureen, I'll just play this clip to get your comment on this too.
This is where she talks about what happened when she came into the royal family.
Let's take a listen.
I mean, you have to imagine at the beginning, everyone is like butterflies.
And then we immediately went into the trenches together.
Yeah.
Right out of the gate, like six months into dating.
So now seven years later, when you have a little bit of breathing space, you can just enjoy each other in a new way.
And that's why I feel like it's more of a honeymoon period for us now.
Yeah.
Do you think you'll be married forever?
Yes.
I have a letter.
He's also a fox.
If you haven't noticed, my husband's very, very handsome.
But his heart is even more beautiful.
Oh my God, past the sick bucket.
What's fascinating, Maureen, is that despite all this idyllic world they now live in, he looks permanently, unbelievably miserable.
So one of them isn't telling us the truth.
And Piers, if I may slice and dice for a quick second.
Okay, we're not wearing makeup.
We are wearing makeup.
You can see the blush.
You can see the foundation.
We're not applying our bronzer with a trowel.
Number one.
Number two, emails to the children.
She tells us what wasn't shown in that clip.
She finishes that thought by saying, these emails are so that when my children are of age, they can come to me and say, oh my God, you loved us so much.
It's me, me, me.
She was in the trenches with Harry.
Excuse me.
She wangled her way onto the cover of Vanity Fair.
Brayden Carter, EIC at the time, said when he was approached, she said, who the F is this woman?
Oh, she's going to get engaged to Prince Harry.
Well, let's give her the cover.
Okay, who arranged that?
They got a $40 million wedding, cheered by the British taxpayers who footed that bill.
She's going to stay married to him forever, says the woman who was reportedly shopping a post-divorce memoir within the past six months and who we saw on video in New York City two weeks ago, entering a Time 100 summit where she had zero business speaking, swat his hand away as he went to take it.
So yes, this is the love story of all time, Piers, of course.
Katie, it is hard not to be so cynical.
It is.
I'm with Maureen on this.
Everything they do seems so manipulative, calculated, PR-motivated, money-motivated, and the antithesis of what it means to actually be a dutiful working royal.
Well, you used that word splintered earlier, Piers, and I think that's the point.
You've got this sort of rival court in Montecito, and I think we almost have to stop.
Maybe it is a case of the whole question over their titles, but almost stop treating them as a royal couple because they're not.
They are a celebrity couple.
Shouldn't Charles just take the titles away?
I saw A.A.M. Wilson write that at the weekend.
Yeah, I saw that too.
And I thought it's significant that he finally did that because he looked at the past.
Well, I think the fact that she's using that HRH title, even privately, is problematic for the palace.
I think that's something they will be watching very, very closely because it was the express wish of the late queen.
She wasn't going to strip them of it, but they weren't to use them.
And of course, even in a private capacity, it's like, well, it's out there now.
So should we just put it on the Netflix contracts?
Yeah, and what we haven't seen, Paula, is any more details of the phenomenal sales of the as-ever range.
Because I suspect what happened was they had about three pots of jam that sold out because they bought them all.
Strawberry sauce.
And ever since, there hasn't been actually any updates on the extraordinary sales.
And I suspect it's just tanking like everything else they do.
Why would you buy Meghan Markle jam?
Sauce.
And that makes you happy.
I mean, you actually sit there and you look gleeful.
It does, yeah.
And that is, you know what?
And that's really shame.
No, because I don't want to.
We were talking about humanity.
No, I don't want them.
We were talking about them making money out of being royals.
You don't want them to be.
While they're simultaneously trashing the royals and damaging the monkey.
And you're a little woman in the gutting.
No, actually, I don't really care about her so much.
I don't care about her so much.
She's gone back to California.
She's got what she wanted.
She took her prince and she's milking him dry.
I don't care.
Listen, it's not that surprising.
Wallace Simpson did it to Edward, right?
It's fine.
And Brooklyn Beckham's wife's doing it to him now from the Beckhams.
It's fine.
All these terrible women.
No, no, all these American women.
We are still talking about the people.
We have two fine examples of magnificent American women staring down the barrel of the camera.
So I exclude, this is not a general view, but that's three out of three.
But let me ask you, Paula, look, we can talk around the houses about all this.
You go to such painstaking efforts to try and find an excuse for this stuff.
Surely in your quiet moments when you're on your own and you're watching and reading this crap, you're just like, why don't the pair of you shut up?
Just shut up.
Do you know what?
It's not about an excuse.
It's about objectivity.
And I think that's really important because I don't know the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
I don't know the Prince and Princess of Wales.
But what I can see with my own eyes is an inordinate amount of negative press about them.
They cannot breathe.
Everything is negative.
And that should worry everybody in terms of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech.
In terms of uncensored, being uncensored.
There must be a level of sensitivity in terms of responding to what is an aspect of the people.
Who is censoring them, Paula?
Paula, negatively.
Paula, I say this with great respect.
I think you've lost your marbles.
What's it going to do?
Just today, Piers, just today.
Kinsey, it's about free.
Should they not be free to say what they want to say?
Yeah, because they're not being free.
The one thing they've not been is free to say what they really think.
And when they do, and Paula!
When they do, they are absolutely pounced on.
And they have the response that they're not allowed to speak.
They're not allowed to work.
They're not allowed to travel.
They're not allowed to do anything charitable.
They are not going to be able to do that.
They never stop speaking for doing rights and vice versa.
Absolutely.
Absolutely case.
They have made such dangerous, they have made such damaging accusations towards the royal family.
I think it's about holding them accountable.
I think that people are simply fact-checking or saying, well, you're saying this today, but two years ago, you said the complete opposite.
I think it's important that we hold people accountable that are making such extreme accusations about the British royal family, because at the end of the day, it is detrimental to their brand.
And if it's not true, how incredibly cruel.
I accept that fact-checking is utterly appropriate and important.
You don't because you believe in multiple truths.
I accept that.
Do you think everyone can have their own truth?
It's not my job to believe anyone's truth.
It's only my job.
People don't have their own truth.
It's only my job to talk about fact-checking and then say everyone's got their own truth.
It's only my job to observe objective facts.
And so I absolutely agree with you.
Do you believe in this?
It is about fact-checking.
But I am, I very rarely see, in terms of responses, in terms of opinions, in terms of reporting, objective fact-checking.
I very rarely see.
Can I ask you something about the latest Fantasy Fair cover story?
Because that I haven't seen.
Well, that was that.
But that was the final nail in Coffin.
And Kinsey, I think you all agree with me on this.
That was the sort of the last bastion, the last champion that Harry and Megan had in Vanity Fair.
And when they turned on them, that was objective.
There was no agenda from the editor of Vanity Fair to portray Megan in the negative light and Harry that they came out in.
That deep dive into Montecito, Netflix, and everything else came out with a very unflattering perspective of both of them.
Sorry, also, Paula, with great respect, if someone talks like a dickhead and walks like a dickhead and acts like a dickhead, he's a dickhead.
And it's not my truth.
Truth, you said it's true.
Or his truth.
Or anybody else's truth, and it requires no fact-checking.
He is a monumental dickhead.
And that's what we're now seeing unraveling before our eyes.
And he can't stop talking.
I mean, the idea that their free speech is being infringed in some way, they never stop talking.
This is the problem.
Okay, Piers, let's say you're right.
Let's say that we can't stop them talking.
How dangerous is that for the monarchy?
Very.
Is my point.
Very.
I mean, that is fundamentally my point.
There was a survey in the Caribbean, a lot of the Commonwealth countries, but the Caribbean, which showed a marked drop in the popularity of the royal family because of the racism allegations.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so.
And they, by the way, now apparently we're supposed to believe they never made them.
Yeah.
So you let the fire off, you're the arsonist, and then you run away and pretend it was actually the media that set the fire off.
Bullshit.
And so my point is: do I think that this approach, this attack, attack, attack, is going to work outright?
We know, we know that anger never resolves a problem.
We know that.
So what are we going to do in terms of those people who support the royal family?
I know the answer.
You take all their titles away and you say you can swing for it and you can be and Prince Andrew, what do we do with his title?
Well, he doesn't do anything, Andrew, does he?
He doesn't do anything.
He has nothing.
He went to the Easter word.
He went to Easter worship.
Andrew literally sits in his house most of the time and he goes out and rides.
That's it.
Right?
What he doesn't do is give endless interviews attacking the moral family or the monarchy.
He has his own crosses to bear, quite rightly, and that's what it is.
But he is effectively estranged from any public life whatsoever.
Whatsoever.
These two never stop going on global media to trash the royal family and the monarchy.
And each time they do it, they chip away at the mystique and the magic and the popularity.
And that's why I despise them for what they're doing.
And the king should step in.
That's not.
And he should say, enough.
Peers.
The titles are all being taken away.
You can now live the life you wanted, which is out on your own, free of royalty.
In terms of tourist attractions, Windsor Castle is 23rd in the list.
Buckingham Palace is 58th in the list.
Are we going to blame Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex for that?
No.
What's that got to do with the money?
We've got to leave it there.
That's the reality.
We've got to leave it there.
Thank you to my guests here.
Thank you to my any last thoughts, Maureen?
Yeah, the First Amendment that Harry, when he alighted in the United States to live, said it made no sense to him that Americans have a First Amendment right to free speech, which he then has cloaked himself in to level any number of baseless accusations of racism as any primary member of his family lay dying, okay?
King of hypocrisy.
Thank you very much.
Kinsey, Maureen, Cody, lovely to see you.
Blame Harry for Racism Claims 00:00:32
Paula, always lovely to see you defending the indefensible with such eloquence.
Thank you all very much.
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