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April 30, 2025 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Hypocrisy at the White House 00:07:48
That two-year-old was here with an illegal alien mother.
And if the mother gets deported, Piers, the kids go with the mother.
So stop being rhetoric.
Excuse me.
You're sticking up for MS-13 members.
Have you ever encountered an MS-13 member?
We are conflating several different issues here.
So Tim, can you find it in yourself to say that what's happened on the southern border is a good thing?
I can't.
And here's why.
And I was happy to let my cousin Vinny over there go.
I thought he was going to explode.
He might have had a heart attack over there if we didn't give him a chance to talk.
But I'm good.
Here's the thing, Piers.
How did you guys meet?
Not talking about this.
No.
No.
Watch this guy who's reputation, one of the hardest, toughest, meanest, most successful coaches in the history of American football, getting bossed around by this girl about what he can and can't say.
We're not talking about that.
Well, they would just ask, when did you meet?
The problem with obsessing over a president's first 100 days is the general sense that everything is now or never, boom or bust.
Three months to deliver a program that was four years in the making before a long slide down to the midterms, and then beginning the whole process again.
Well, President Trump scored a volley of popular early wins on things like trans women in sport, seeding the US border and rolling back DEI.
But it's the tough stuff, namely tariffs and wars, that will really define his presidency.
It's going to take a lot longer than 100 days, methinks, to figure them out.
Well, the funeral of Pope Francis brought Trump and Zelensky together for an extraordinary head-to-head this weekend.
The first time they've met since the infamous Oval Office bust-up.
Democrats are upset that Trump wore a blue suit to the funeral, as did Biden and the Prince of Wales.
MAGA is upset that Zelensky didn't wear a suit at all, which of course the Pope never did either.
A bit like 100 Days itself, it's a silly sideshow compared to a conversation that could have life or death consequences to thousands of people.
And speaking of sideshows, the Democrats have now spent 100 days squabbling.
DNC Vice Chair David Hogg is alleged to stir the pot.
He says he wants to spend $20 million ousting Democrats deemed ineffective and out of touch.
President may be taking a whack in the polls, but so far the only alternative is none of the above.
Well, to debate all of this and more, I'm joined by the PBD podcast Angry Patriot Vinny Ashana, TikToker and Democratic congressional candidate Kat Abu, host of the Bullwalk podcast Tim Miller, and the Conservative commentator and former RNC spokesperson Elizabeth Pipko.
Well, welcome to all of you.
Elizabeth, let me start with you because you were one of the very, very rare Trumpers at the White House correspondence dinner, which had no president and no comedian and looks to be an absolute crashing bore.
The only highlight, it seemed to me, though, was an interesting admission by Alex Thompson, one of the journalists who won an award there.
One serious note.
To my bones, I believe that reporting and the White House Correspondence Association is as necessary as ever.
President Biden's decline and its cover-up by the people around him is a reminder that every White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception.
What was it like to be there as a pro-Trumper?
And has that event got any relevance anymore?
You know, I actually don't think that it does.
I'm sad that I finally got to go when it was no longer relevant.
You mentioned there was no comedian.
I want to point out the event was still very much a joke.
It was very strange for me to be there.
I have to admit, the program started a few minutes in, my jaw dropped because I see a room full of journalists basically applauding themselves, patting themselves on the back for admitting that they missed the story of Biden's cognitive decline and will never make that same mistake again.
Meanwhile, I'm remembering how many times I was attacked for bringing it up, how many times countless people on the right, or even those completely unaffiliated with politics, were attacked for bringing it up.
And now I'm watching journalists, which are supposed to be responsible for bringing that information to the people and actually holding the White House accountable, even when they don't agree with those in there.
And the fact is, these journalists were very much upfront with the fact that they did what they were supposed to do.
They made a really tiny mistake.
They promised to never make it again, and they should still have all the trust and all the faith of the American people.
I thought it was very strange.
I didn't expect any of it, but I can only imagine if Donald Trump was in the room, it would have looked very different.
But for me, I don't think Thompson's admission meant very much.
And I actually thought it was pretty hypocritical to sit in there and watch all these people support their own work, their own mistakes, and the fact that they themselves are responsible for the fact that trust and faith in the media is at an all-time low.
Really interesting perspective.
Tim Miller, I saw you raising your eyebrow there, but there is a truth there because it was a bizarre spectacle of a liberal-skewed mainstream media basically openly admitting we dropped the ball massively on Biden's ability to be president of the United States.
But many would argue, particularly on the left, I would think, well, it was entirely self-defeating, this ball dropping, probably deliberate.
You didn't give it the same attention you would have given if it had been, say, Trump.
And the consequence of not holding Biden to proper account was that actually Donald Trump got re-elected, which nobody would have expected.
So there was a real-time consequence to this ball dropping.
Do you think, though, that the mainstream media have learned any lessons from this or not?
Yeah, I don't know.
And I think this is the one area maybe where I can agree with you and the co-panelists is I think that this dinner is pretty stupid.
I think the last thing that we need is a self-congratulatory ball for political journalists.
You couldn't have paid me to go this weekend.
I was at JazzFest instead.
And so I agree that it's kind of silly.
I do, though, bristle a little bit at like, I'm not speaking about you, Piers, per se, but at right-wing commentators talking about how they think that the mainstream media is biased and unfair.
And, you know, when if you go to Fox or Steve Bannon's podcast or the Daily Wire, I mean, you see like North Korea-esque coverage of what's happening with the president of the United States as he's single-handedly tanking our economy for no good reason, just because he like likes the word tariffs, I guess.
He inherited an economy that was getting better, that was improving, that wasn't perfect, but that was on the right path.
And in three months, he has, you know, he has put us on the brink of recession.
And so, you know, I think that the coverage on Fox and on other right-wing media outlets is, if anything, worse than the mainstream media's coverage of Democrats, which is not perfect by any means.
And so, you know, I just don't know if the right-wing media folks have a lot of great credibility when it comes to demanding unbiased coverage.
All right, Vinny, two things there.
First of all, let's talk about the admission at the White House Correspondence Center.
And by the way, I agree.
If the president's not there and there's no comedian, there is no point to that event.
It's pure navel gazing by the journalists.
I went, there used to be the convention that if you were a news anchor and I was at CNN for four years, you got to go with a celebrity.
I got taken by Goldie Horn to the White House Correspondence Dinner who ended up partying at the Vanity Fair Party.
That is glamour, ladies and gentlemen.
I had a great time.
Then I went with Gerard Butler on a mandate the year after.
So those days are clearly long gone.
So I think the event has probably had its time.
But the admission, Vinny, and welcome back to Ancense.
Trump's Asylum List Controversy 00:12:05
It always great to have you.
admission that the media dropped the ball on Joe Biden from one of the award winners on the night saying me included you know many will say well why did you drop the ball was it an accidental dropping of the ball or was it a quite deliberate ignoring of the obvious fact that he was incompetent because they didn't want to help Trump in any way and ironically by not doing their job with Biden,
many might argue that's how Trump got elected.
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Piers, the fact that, first of all, and I love you, Piers, thank you again for having me all the time.
It's a joke to me that we're trying to pretend all these people from the meeting, just the left-wing media, period, pretending as if, oh, we didn't, we had no idea.
Every single, how many days did it take Pierce for him to actually address the nation or even have a press conference?
They hid him during COVID.
They put him in a basement to keep him away from everybody.
Okay, we're not even going to get into that election.
They kept him in the basement.
Every time he spoke in front of a camera, it was a meme.
It was a joke.
Everybody knew Piers, but they were told to shut up and they were told to play ball, okay?
Because they had to do it because he was put in there to do whatever the hell that the left, the Chuck Schumers, the Nancy Pelosis, and all of them wanted to do, and which they did, destroy the country, Piers.
Because I made a list, Trump, Piers, of this first 100 days since we're going to talk crap.
Border Secure, mass deportation, the terrorists, which that gentleman doesn't like.
I think the adjustment's going to happen and we're going to kick butt.
Signed up, you said this, protect the women in sports, energy dependence.
They're trying to drill.
Cut DEI and CRT and climate cult funding.
Designated the cartel terrorists.
Piers, the list goes on and on.
But the fact that the left-wing media is up there patting themselves on the back and all of them, Piers, they're all making the adjustment.
From Chris Cuomo to Stephen A. Smith, everybody now is like, oh, we messed up.
Guys, we're not like the left.
They're exactly like the left, Piers.
I'm not going to give them any leeway.
They all knew, but they kept their mouth shut because it's not Trump.
And Piers, no matter what Trump does, they're going to complain.
If Trump must, I don't disagree with some of what you said there.
Here's just plain devil's advocate, though.
What would you be saying if Joe Biden had suddenly unleashed a tariff war on the world that nobody had ever seen anything on this scale before?
And the immediate consequence was a massive tanking of stock markets and the US economy.
Wouldn't you be raging about it?
Now, I happen to think that this will play out probably in a way that's nowhere near as alarming as it currently seems, but that remains to be seen.
As things stand, there is no doubt that it's caused enormous short-term damage and volatility to the U.S. economy and stock markets.
Wouldn't you be the first raging about this if it was Biden?
No, no, no.
Well, yeah, Piers, you know why?
Because Biden is not Donald Trump.
He's not a master negotiator.
You can't even put two in the same breath, Piers.
What does Joe Biden or what?
Janet Yellen or any of those people know about anything with business and power moves, okay?
I would be tripping out because I'd be like, who the hell is telling him Donald Trump knows exactly what the hell he's doing?
And Piers, all that fear-mongering of April was the worst month the stock market saw since the Great Depression.
We had the biggest bounce back, but nobody from the left said shit.
Sorry for my language, Piers.
I would be astonished because I'd be like, where did this come from from Biden?
Trump knows what he's doing, Piers.
And like you said, it's three months.
Piers, everybody needs to calm the hell down.
Everything is happening.
The adjustment needs to happen.
We're going to be fine, Piers.
Give it a year.
Give it two years.
We are kicking ass.
The rocket is taking off, Piers, but everybody's worried because it's shaking on the way up.
Everybody needs to stop.
And the last point I was trying to make, Piers, is no matter what he does, they're going to complain.
If Trump, with the help of Elon Musk, stopped an asteroid that was about to hit Earth, the next day, CNN and all these leftists would complain that he's polluting the world with asteroid debris.
He can't win.
He can't freaking win.
Piers, I'm tired of hearing all these soft people.
I'm just tired.
It's over.
Nobody gives a shit anymore.
And why would you go to a dinner where you know the left is all going to talk shit about you?
Well, that doesn't need to show up.
That part is certainly absolutely true.
Kat, we're nearly 100 days in.
It'd be 100 days on Wednesday.
What is your overview of the Trump three-month reign so far?
And people call it a reign because they think he's behaving like a monarch, which I'd have no problem with, but obviously Americans don't like that.
I mean, yeah, that's part of the reason that we're not a part of England anymore.
I would say that it's been disastrous.
I mean, yesterday I was at a veterans rally for people who had been laid off from their jobs because of Musk's Doge, for people that aren't able to get health care, who are exposed to tar pits overseas when they were serving, for people who are struggling with the care at the VA as Musk and Trump cut it.
And this is in the only red part in the district that I'm running in.
I talk to so many older people who are like, I don't have a 401k anymore.
And as much as Vinny wants to say, like, wait a year, wait two years.
People can't wait a year or two years right now because most Americans can't afford an emergency $1,000 expense.
And this isn't only limited to blue areas.
This is also in red ones.
Our allies can't trust us.
We seem volatile.
We seem weird.
And we seem extreme just on the economic front.
And that's not even counting how many people in this country are terrified for their very existence, for the existence of due process.
I mean, you can say, well, criminals don't deserve due process.
Well, due process is how we decide whether or not you're a criminal.
We absolutely need it.
And the answer isn't deporting people to concentration camps overseas.
Okay.
Do you see any successes for Trump so far?
Ooh, good question.
I mean, he seems to be doing as he wants.
I'm sure that he's a serious question.
I personally do.
I want to know whether you can genuinely bring it into yourself to say, yes, he's done this really well.
I am genuinely thinking about this.
I think that there is something to be said of, I personally don't like Project 2025, but they are accomplishing the goals in there.
And I don't mean that in a snarky way.
If that is what you want to do, then they are doing that well.
I mean, what's extraordinary to me, see, I would take everything you say a lot more seriously.
If you said, you know what, Piers, what is indisputable is that on the southern border, there's been a 95% drop in the number of people coming over illegally.
That is clearly, demonstrably, inarguably, and non-partisan, inarguably, a fact.
And he should be celebrated and acknowledged for that.
But it's been completely ignored by many on the mainstream media.
And I get, this is my problem with it, is that the anti-Trump sentiment is always so intense that no one can even bring it upon themselves to give him credit for an obvious win for America.
That is an obvious win for the United States.
There are many other things you could quibble with and question or feel enraged by.
But you can't say that, Kat.
You can't say on the southern border, that's a big success.
No, I think that the way that Trump is treating immigrants, this is a country that's built by immigrants.
My dad is an immigrant.
These are people pouring in illegally in their millions over the southern border.
Speaking of asylum, and we know that.
Well, they're not all speaking asylum.
You know that, Kat.
Come on.
You genuinely think 10 million.
Hang on, just to be clear, you genuinely think nearly 10 million people are being shipped to a concentration in El Salvador.
We're not talking about the ones being shipped to prisons in El Salvador.
We're talking about the reportedly 10 million people who came over the southern border in the Biden administration.
You think they're all genuine asylum seekers?
I think that we don't have a good enough asylum process, and there are plenty that are claiming asylum.
And it doesn't matter whether someone is claiming asylum or not.
Trump is treating them all the same.
I mean, he just deported a two-year-old U.S. citizen back to Honduras who is being treated for cancer.
And that's the problem here is when it comes to our border issues, we are focusing on, it's just, it's treated so broadly and so angrily, so hatefully.
And there's no difference between these people.
The way that this administration is treating them is inhumane.
Okay, Tim, you wanted to jump in there?
Piers, Pierce.
Hang on, Vinny.
Hang on.
Go ahead, Vinny.
I'll follow up, Vinny.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, Tim, and I appreciate your both.
Thank you.
And I appreciate it.
First of all, that two-year-old was here with an illegal alien mother.
And if the mother gets deported, Piers, the kids go with the mother.
So stop being rhetoric.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
I'll let you speak.
Please let me finish.
Okay.
And you're talking about, well, you're talking about, first of all, let me back up.
Americans can't afford $1,000 and they're struggling.
That's because of the last administration.
Trump just got here.
That's number one.
And are you truly, genuinely talking about illegal?
You're talking about illegal immigrants, illegals that are here, that are in freaking gangs.
That to join the gang, they have to kill people that sell drugs, that beat the shit out of his wife.
We get rid of him.
Is that who you're sticking up for?
Are you honestly going to sit here and say Trump is just doing abroad any illegal?
No, it's going after the illegals.
All right.
And you mentioned veterans.
I'm a United States Air Force veteran.
When I joined, I swore an oath to the Constitution to protect this country of enemies, foreign and domestic.
And I never knew Piers.
Who was the domestic?
You know what the domestic is?
It's the people that flood this country with illegals.
They don't give a shit about a law.
They weaponize the justice system.
They try to kill our freaking president.
And then when he tries to kick these people out, he's the mean one.
I'm sorry.
This is an argument that you are not going to win.
Okay.
There's absolutely no.
He's talking about illegal gang members and you're sticking up for MS-13 members.
Have you ever encountered an MS-13 member?
Have you ever spoken to one of them?
Well, the problem is that they're not.
Hang on, hang on.
I'm going to come to Tim.
We are conflating several different issues here because the issue of people being deported, many of whom are already on the deportation list and are convicted criminals, some of them for murder, rape, and so on.
I don't think many Americans have any sympathy with, I assume, with those on a deportation list who've had the due process but haven't yet been deported, now being deported.
There is an issue about whether they should be put in prisons in El Salvador.
I get that.
But that's not to do with what's happened on the southern border.
That's a different issue altogether.
So Tim, let me ask you the same question.
You wouldn't naturally race to praise Trump for anything, but can you find it in yourself to say that what's happened on the southern border is a good thing?
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I can't.
And here's why.
And I was happy to let my cousin Vinny over there go.
I thought he was going to explode.
He might have had a heart attack over there if we didn't give him a chance to talk.
But I'm going to.
Here's the thing, Piers.
I believe that, you know, look, I used to be a Reagan Republican, all right?
I believed that we were a shining city on a hill.
I believed that we were a place where people should want to come if they're fleeing oppression.
If we're talking about these Venezuelans in particular, they're in a communist country where they are being persecuted by a communist dictator.
And I think that we should have an orderly process where people should be able to come from Venezuela to this country to be refugees like so many have before, like all of us have who came to countries who came to America.
That is what is unique about America.
That's what makes America special, is that everyone except for the Native Americans came here because they were looking for opportunity, because they were fleeing someplace else.
And we created a system that was obviously totally out of control.
And so bringing some control to that system is fine.
But that doesn't mean zero people come in.
I'm not happy about that.
I want Venezuelans freeing communism to be able to come here.
We need to create a system where people can come here.
And you're saying that these people were coming illegally.
We actually know for sure that at least a couple of the Venezuelans that were sent to El Salvador came through the legal process.
You might not like that process, but they used the CB1 app.
They said that they were refugees fleeing oppression.
They went to a third country.
In one case, a guy went to Colombia, just like you're supposed to, and then he was brought to Florida.
And that man has been sent to El Salvador.
Maybe he's a trend to Aragua.
We don't know because there wasn't a court hearing.
I've talked a lot about the gay makeup artist, Andrey.
I'm sorry, Piers, but so I look, I would say, I'm sorry.
I believe in America.
Tim, I agree with you.
Listen, I don't disagree with you about the due process issue.
And Elizabeth, what I would say, I think, against the pro-Trump argument on this, is if you start to play loose with due process, what happens, as Donald Trump is now realizing, I think, is that the stories become the stories which are about due process, not what's happened on the southern border.
There is a clear, demonstrable, big success on the southern border, but I'm not reading or seeing anything about that.
All I'm hearing about are these one or two isolated people who have not been afforded due process and where it looks unfair.
And my point about that is that it's almost handing a victory to the jaws of defeat if you abandon due process.
What do you think of that argument?
I mean, I have a lot to say in general, but can I just ask you, Pierce, do you genuinely believe that the mainstream media that we've talked a bit about now for the last 15 minutes would have given Donald Trump the win and actually written about the victory at the border, regardless of what else was happening in the country?
Do you think that?
No, I don't.
No, I don't.
I think that's part of the problem.
I think part of the problem, part of the problem with Donald Trump, well, part of the problem with Donald Trump from day one, in terms of the way the media have treated him, is that they have failed to understand why he got elected.
He got elected because he's not a conventional politician.
He doesn't behave like a conventional politician.
So the Trump hysteria raged away for four years the first time.
This time around, we were told it's going to be different.
Everyone's learned their lessons and they haven't.
The hysteria has blown up again about absolutely everything.
Now, just being in America for a month, it's sort of every morning's like a jungle of everyone going bonkers about everything Trump says and does.
Well, actually, as with all things, Trump, it's better to take a bit of time and see how things play out because I think that's what he does.
I think he throws stuff up against the wall.
He sees what sticks and what works and what doesn't work, what needs changing and so on.
But the problem with the kind of controlled chaos strategy that Trump deploys is that he does allow his opponents, his enemies, and I include quite a lot of people in the media who really do want to take him down, even now.
You can see it.
It gives them a chance and an excuse to do that.
And it takes away from the successes.
And I think on tariffs and stuff like that, you know, I can see the big picture.
I think most people understand the big argument and don't disagree with it.
They just, it's the way he's gone about this.
He has to get some wins on the board.
Because otherwise, if in six months' time or a year's time, or as you head towards the midterms, the U.S. economy is still in the doldrums and the stock market is still tanking, then you're going to lose the house in the midterms and the environment will change completely.
So I do think there's, you know, he's playing, he's playing with fire here with this stuff where he's got to get wins on the board.
Do you accept that?
I accept that, but I would argue that Donald Trump, obviously, as you know, is fully aware that midterms are coming up and maybe is acting like a president and not a politician worried about midterms.
Not everyone can be Joe Biden and try to erase student loan debt a couple of weeks before the midterms to try to score themselves a win, for example, right?
Maybe that's not what Donald Trump is trying to do.
I think the fact is we're talking here, no one is being honest.
That's why I brought up the dinner to begin with and the fact that they sat there and applauded themselves and lied.
Again, my fellow panelists here said that, you know, whatever Steve Bannon does is the same.
Number one, I don't agree.
But Steve Bannon goes out and says, I am a Trump supporter.
No one at NBC or Axios or Politico or anywhere else goes out and says I'm a Biden supporter.
I saw Jake Tapper a few weeks ago say, I'm not on the left.
And I sat there with my jaw on the ground.
The fact is, they believe that they are actually moderates.
They believe they're telling the American people the truth.
And they believe they're getting away with murder because they continue to throw their own bias into everything else that they report.
The American people are not stupid.
What is sad is that the journalists in our country believe that they are.
They believe they can tell them how to vote and how to feel, and they will not be able to do the research for themselves.
Donald Trump is not worried about victories in the media because he knows the American people not only elected him to do what he's doing, but can figure out what he's doing without, you know, reading through a couple of headlines in the mainstream media.
So no, I don't think he's worried about scoring a few wins because he believes he's scoring the exact wins he was elected to score.
Okay, the interesting sort of sideshow at the moment to all this is the battle for the heart and soul of the Democrat Party, who have got record low polling at the moment.
You're seeing a number of people like Gavin Newsom, governor of California, steaming very fast to the middle ground, abandoning a lot of the more progressive woke ideology as he goes, pretending he had nothing to do with it.
You're also seeing people like AOC, who are out there getting more and more support, but of course belong entirely to the progressive left.
You've also got people like David Hogg, who says we've got to get rid of all these old-timers.
We've got to rip all up and get some new young, fresh blood and thinking into the party, which I would completely concur with.
You know, when you see the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumann and these others, you just think you've got to move on now and you've got to find a new coherent voice that's going to get people to vote for it and have a view for America.
But it can't be the progressive left, can it?
Haven't we just seen with the last election an utter repudiation of a lot of what the progressive left stands for?
So if you end up with AOC as the standard bearer going forward, I think you end up losing again.
Frankly, I disagree.
I mean, Harris, especially after the DNC, you know, was campaigning with Liz Cheney, trying to present herself as like this moderate Nikki Haley Kamala Harris voter that obviously didn't really exist, or at least not in huge numbers.
I think what a lot of us call progressivism is really just common sense.
I mean, my big vision for the world is that every American should afford housing, groceries, and health care with money left over to save and spend.
And that doesn't seem like a very high bar and it's not for any of our peer countries, but it is here.
And neither party is truly messaging on that.
I mean, you have on the right right now, you know, having tax cuts that benefit the super rich, but not the average American.
And these tariffs will cost the average American, I think, about $4,000 every year.
And as for Democrats, there are a lot of them that are more interested in their, you know, corporate donors and trying to always cater to this very like milquetoast vision when both parties should be going towards that idea.
Housing, groceries, and healthcare with money left over to save and take your kid to the zoo or go to the movie.
You know the reason why you never catch me?
The reason people don't focus on those things or talk about them is that on the progressive left, you'll also have people at high levels of the party come out and say with a straight face, we think biological men should be in women's sport.
And the moment most average Americans hear that, they do what you just did.
They roll their eyes and go, you are insane.
And you're doing it for a different reason.
You're doing it because you think I'm insane for saying that.
But I can tell you, as somebody who's always been pretty liberal, I think that strategy was completely insane.
The idea that you would let your leaders go out and propagate such bullshit, which most Americans with any vein of common sense, as you call it, know is bullshit.
That then allows exactly what happened, the Republicans to run with that and say, look at these people, they're nuts.
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Yeah, I mean, I do think the Democratic Party has a messaging issue, but I think this is less about the Democratic Party and more about right-wing media, which I watch and analyze for a living, or at least before I started running for Congress.
Women's Rights and Sports Checks 00:06:22
There's been plenty of research talking about when people transition, how it doesn't really impact their effects in sports.
This is a very, very, very tiny percentage of the sports.
No, no, it's complete bullshit.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
By the way, I'm not right-wing media in any shape or anything.
I'm not saying you are.
No, but I'm just telling you, I'm not.
And I think it's bullshit.
The idea that it's a small thing, it's not.
You're seeing it more and more and more and more and more.
There are millions of people, young people in America identifying as trans.
This problem is going to get worse and worse and worse.
And the issue is about women's rights to equality and to fairness and to safety.
Nothing more than that.
It's not about trans people.
I want the same for the people.
Just be clear.
Hang on, Kat.
I want the same for trans people, but not at the expense of women's rights.
That's what it's about.
And if you can't have a Democrat Party that stands up completely rock solid for women's rights, because it's far too concerned with promoting a trans agenda where it erodes women's rights, you're never going to get re-elected as a party, ever.
Okay, this is the thing.
Trans people's existence and even like the 40 people that are in sports isn't the big issue with women's rights.
It isn't a women's rights issue.
But it becomes one when you support obvious unfairness.
That's the point.
Can I please finish?
Sure.
Thank you.
The thing here is you have Republicans right now in the state at the federal level that are saying we need to check children's genitals to make sure they're the right ones before they play.
That's a harm to children and women.
The SAVE Act, which is going to stop millions of married women from being able to vote if they don't have their birth certificate and proof of their name change, that's an actual harm to women.
Trans people existing, and in like one state that did a law against trans kids being in sports, there was literally one trans child that was in any sport who was supported by their own team.
This is lawmakers at the state level, people that are being paid, that are full-ass adults, that are bullying children.
So just to be clear, just to be clear, you would personally like it to continue.
You think it's perfectly okay for biological men to compete in women's sport.
Is that your position?
Yes.
I don't mind trans women being in sports.
And this is the problem.
Then Kat, with respect to you, Kat, with great respect to you, I'm very glad you're not running this issue in America because it is grotesquely unfair to women.
Vinny, final word to you, then I'll come to Tim for his final word.
Well, she just said it.
You're spinning out these numbers.
If one man tries to take away a scholarship from a female that's anti-woman and for you to sit there and act like it's not a freaking problem, it's happening more and more, like Pierce said, every single day.
And that's the problem is this low number talk.
If one, one girl is being affected and if there's men in women's bathrooms, you guys make it seem like this is just, we're just coming out of thin air.
And that's the problem, Piers, with the Democratic Party.
You heard it here first.
No vision, no plan.
They're totally fine with a male with testicles beating the shit out of women, spiking volleyballs in their freaking faces, sending them to the hospital.
It's no, no, no, no.
It's unbelievable that I'm happy you're exposing yourself because he nailed it.
This is why your party is going to keep losing over and over and over because you guys are standing on issues that it's so common sense.
Men should play with men.
Women should play with women.
And if you don't think it's affecting women, go ask all these girls that are losing scholarships to men with freaking testicles that are beating the shit out of them in sports.
It's unbelievable that you think like that.
Okay, Tim, I mean, I think, Tim, the wider part, I'm going to, you know, I really didn't get the whole trans thing, but I think the point is, as the Democrats try and find a new voice, a new way to compete, and a new way to win, I just feel they have to go down the Gavin Newsome route of abandoning, just propagating all this progressive, far less stuff.
Otherwise, they're just unelectable.
Yeah, so just two thoughts on this.
Just one really quick on the moral bankruptcy of Vinny's position.
Look, I have a more nuanced view than Kat does on trans women in sports, but the idea that having one trans woman in a swimming meet is unacceptable.
But I don't care if I wrongly sent.
Okay, okay.
But I don't care, but you don't care, apparently, if we wrongly sent one person to a concentration camp in Venice in El Salvador.
If we wrongly, you don't care about it.
You said you don't care about your president's.
Two different points.
You're conflating two different points.
No, two different points.
And you're using the word concentration camp.
Tim, you're using the word concentration camp.
So you're one of those people that's like, Trump is Hitler.
Again, your dumbass party has watered down the name Hitler.
The name Hitler isn't even strong anymore.
Because you know what?
You compared it with Trump.
People go, oh, if Hitler's like Trump, then he's not that bad.
Stop saying that.
Guys, that stupid rhetoric.
Concentration camp.
You're an illegal gang member.
Get the fuck out of my country.
Period.
You don't belong here.
You have deportation orders.
You're not smoking beater.
You beat your wife.
Unfortunately, we have to wrap it there.
All I would say is, Tim, in relation to your point.
In relation to your point, Tim, I actually think it is wrong to deport people to prisons in El Salvador without property presence.
Well, Vinny, I have not seen yet enough evidence for my liking that this guy was a member of that gang.
If there is, if there is, why would you?
Hang on.
Hang on.
If there is, they have to show you.
If there is, put it out there.
If there is, put it out there, and then I may change my mind.
But until I see it, I'm afraid I'm not satisfied.
And I also assume that you're saying that they're not.
So Pierce, you're assuming that.
You guys think that they're lying?
Well, let's wait and see.
Are they lying, Pierce?
Let's wait and see.
But initially, the initial administration initially said it was a mistake.
Their words, not mine.
Anyway, we've got to leave it there.
Text Messages and Manipulation 00:15:25
Great panel.
Thank you all very much.
I greatly appreciate it.
I'm going to move on to other subjects.
Take a breath, Vinny.
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Away from politics now and to some eye-catching stories in the world of entertainment.
Former NFL star Shannon Sharp is stepping back from his role at ESPN after a civil lawsuit accused him of rape.
Did he see trial is to begin in Manhattan next week with new details emerging about proceedings?
And 73-year-old American football legend Bill Belichick is in the spotlight after his 24-year-old girlfriend bizarrely crashed a major television interview.
Well, joining me now, rapper and commentator Lord Jamar, the host of Determined Society, Sean French, the producer and director, choke no joke, and criminal defense attorney Stacey Schneider.
Welcome to all of you.
Well, let's start, Stacey, with you on the legality.
How much trouble do you think he's in?
Well, he's in civil trouble, not criminal trouble, because the new lawsuit by the 19, 20-year-old at the time she met him, the woman who alleges that she was in a relationship with him and that she alleges there were two incidents of rape, actually, one last year in January, I believe of this year, in her lawsuit.
She never went to the police, apparently.
I mean, there are no criminal allegations against him.
It does not appear he's getting arrested.
He's being sued for money.
And that's a more difficult position for the alleged victim to be in because she didn't cry out.
You know, we have this thing in the law.
Is there a prompt outcry when somebody is abused?
Now, that can't always happen because there are different circumstances for different types of alleged abuse.
But in a situation where she allegedly or presumably went back into the relationship, there's a little bit of a weakness presenting, at least early on.
We're not in court yet, but at least in the lawsuit papers, there's a little bit of a weakness presenting there.
But he's in trouble because of his personality, his career, his reputation.
That's a big amount of trouble.
But he's not under arrest.
And that's a distinction here that should be pointed out.
Okay, no joke.
You've, I think, taken a view that he was just very dumb and naive to be with this kind of girl at all.
Explain why you feel that way.
I mean, for one, first, how are you doing?
The girl's so young.
I mean, at his age, he shouldn't be dealing with anyone at that age.
She's probably going to be his granddaughter.
And for him to be doing like, I can't defend Shannon Sharp when it comes to this, just for the fact that the age of the girl.
How old is he now?
Just to be clear, how old is he?
He's only 57?
56, I'm hearing.
Yeah, 56.
Yeah.
It's a massive age gap.
I mean, if you're saying this is him, are you inviting trouble?
Is that what you're saying?
Of course.
And not to mention that she's Caucasian.
You know, you got a Caucasian young girl that you sitting around here dating and talking very crazy to.
And in a time where people are using the Man Act and civil lawsuits just as a come up.
And this is another one that he put himself in that line of in the line of fire.
So this is what he get.
Well, Lord Jamal, let's play two clips.
The first one is Shannon Sharp emphatically denying wrongdoing.
Let's take a look at that.
To my family, friends, supporters, and colleagues, I want to speak to you directly and from the heart.
This is a shakedown.
I'm going to be open, transparent, and defend myself because this isn't right.
This is all being orchestrated by Tony Busby, who has targeted Jay-Z.
Tony Busby targets black men, and I believe he's going to release a 30-second clip of a sex tape that tries to make me look guilty and play into every stereotype you could possibly imagine.
That video should actually be 10 minutes or so.
Hey, Tony, instead of releasing your edit, put the whole video out.
I don't have it or I would myself.
You know what happened, and you're trying to manipulate the media.
The encounter in question took place during the day at her invitation, and now that appears to be a deliberate setup.
Well, the accuser's lawyer also released an audio tape in which you can hear Sharp appearing to threaten to choke the woman in public.
Let's take a listen to that.
Okay, what?
I'm not really interested in getting choked, so I guess we're going.
I may choke you in public.
Big black guy chose small white woman.
It's not a good look, Shannon.
Not a good look that you did with the shit you did to me.
Lord Jamal, what is kind of, you know, complex about this is that he's sort of pulled a Justin Baldoni, who's got his ongoing battle with Blake Lively.
He's released a lot of text messages, which at the very least put a certain different gloss on some of this.
One of which I'm just reading, I won't read the whole thing because it's pretty graphic and full on, but it certainly appears to be an invitation from that woman to him to say that she wants him to go around and choke her while they're having sex.
Now, this could get very murky, you know, very nasty between them, but where do you think we are with this?
I mean, as more and more stuff comes out, what do you feel about this case?
I mean, how you doing, Pierce?
Shannon Sharp, to have a name like Sharp, this was very dull, what he did with his, you know, mentally.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I have a friend that says he saw a piece of this tape.
I guess the 30 seconds that they're talking about, that he saw this.
And apparently on the tape, the young lady is vocally saying, you're choking me.
You're choking me.
Now, do we know if this was something that she called him over there and said, I want you to do this to me?
And, you know, they're just framing this because, you know, you don't know what's outside of the frame.
That's what is really in question here.
But what I will tell you, the person that saw this said that part made him look very, very bad.
So, you know, we're going to see everything is prosecuted in the court of public opinion before it even gets to a court of law.
So he's not looking good in the court of public opinion right now.
Ryan, I think that's probably right.
I mean, Sean French, you know, like a lot of these things, it's very messy.
His lawyers, when they release these text messages from the alleged victim, they are very graphic, so much so I can't even read some of it out, even on a show called Uncensored.
But his lawyers said this evidence presents a clear picture.
This was a consensual adult relationship and included role-playing, sexual language, and fantasy scenarios explicitly requested by the accuser.
And I guess it could all come down to that.
I mean, if there is clear, demonstrable evidence, however unpalatable it seems his behavior has been from what the clips we're seeing and hearing about him are, if it's then put side by side with direct entreaties from this young woman for him to do exactly that to her, where does that leave us with this case?
Yeah, it's a tough one, Pierce.
You know, I'm not going to defend what's going on, but I think the main thing to really realize is when you look at all the text messages that have been released, a lot of it seemed like she was saying a lot of things to him that she wanted him to do to her sexually.
And then now we're here and all this stuff is being pinned against him.
And listen, it doesn't look good.
I agree with most everybody on this panel that this is not a good look.
You know, it's looking pretty rough for him.
But the main thing is that we got to ask ourselves, when did it, where was the line drawn, right?
When did he cross that line to a point where these things that were welcomed now are all of a sudden being, you know, kind of shaped and alike that he assaulted her.
And again, I'm not saying he's right.
I want to be very clear.
It looks bad and not a good look for Shannon Sharp.
But, you know, when you look at the text messages and then what was being invited and then to the actual tape, where was the confusion?
Or, you know, did she put a time where she said, hey, I'm not good with this anymore and he took it too far.
I think that's what everybody's got to get down.
That's what we got to find out, right?
Also, it's a two-year relationship.
This is not just a short fling that suddenly got wildly out of hand.
I mean, you know, there'll be a lot of women I know who say, what, she put up with this for two years.
What's that all about?
There'll be other women who go, it doesn't matter.
You can have a 20-year relationship.
And if at some point that line gets crossed in the way that she claims it has into a non-consensual rape, it doesn't matter about how long we've been with each other.
Sure, there's a lot of nasty messages, you know, that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, let me bring Stacey back in on that.
I mean, it's interesting.
I mean, apparently, according to Sharp's lawyer, they made an offer of $10 million to this woman to resolve this matter without any admission of wrongdoing.
That was rejected.
And this all came amid the backdrop of a lot of reports in the media that Sharp was about to sign a deal exceeding $100 million for his club Shay Shea podcast.
So you've got a story swirling around the airwaves that he's about to make $100 million.
She's already been offered $10 million.
Now she's asked for $50 million.
You know, there will be, again, a lot of people are saying, well, she hasn't gone to the police.
Las Vegas police say there's no allegation against Sharp being investigated at all.
There'll be a lot of people say, including a lot of women, this is a shakedown.
It can be looked at that way.
I mean, I'm not saying it is.
I mean, it's got to play out in the civil court.
But the thing is, him offering her any sum of money is no indication that he did these alleged acts.
It's his way of trying to get rid of a very big problem, a very big PR problem.
And this is not a cut and dry case of sexual assault.
Like what you just brought up here is she was in a two-year relationship.
If I were going into court on this case defending him, I would bring up every single text message, email, phone call from her inviting him, implying consent, implying that she wanted to be there.
He did not come up upon her allegedly in this situation and commit acts of violence.
These were two people who were in the same room together by choice, apparently, from everything they've said and done on tape.
So this is not a straightforward case.
It's a lot of money.
And I just want to say in the scheme of things, being offered $10 million to settle a civil case is a lot of money.
To turn that down is bizarre.
Because in a civil case, you have to prove you are damaged.
You need medical bills.
You need psychiatric bills.
You need things to show that these alleged acts, whether they're offensive, violent, illegal, horrible, they have to cause the alleged victim damage.
She's got to prove her damages.
That's harder in a civil case, much easier in a criminal case.
The crime occurred.
That's all you need to prove.
That's the damage.
So it's odd that she turned down a $10 million offer.
I also want to play a clip.
This is from Charlemagne the God talking about this case.
You know, like, you know, Shannon is 56 years old.
There is absolutely no reason for a 56-year-old man, 54-year-old man at the time to be hollering at a 19-year-old.
No, at 19 years old, no.
She's not 19.
How old is that girl?
She's 22 now.
She was 19 when he met her.
He was 54.
Because a 54-year-old person with that much to lose should not be talking to a 19-year-old.
Like, listen, it may be legal, but just common sense should say, you know what?
This is not what I want to be.
I mean, no joke, they went on to say that if you date an OnlyFans model, there's a 99% guarantee you're going to get set up at some point.
I mean, it's probably not wrong, that assessment, because that's somebody who's already making a ton of money out of their body and so on.
But putting aside what people may think, look, if Madonna has dated men with a much bigger age gap than that, so I don't think the age gap itself should be something as a stick to beat him with.
The real question is whether anything that he did to this young woman was actually non-consensual as she claims, or whether it was all part of role play.
You know, I remember interviewing Army Hammer, whose career was pretty well ruined in not totally dissimilar fashion by women who claimed, who'd had long relationships with him, who all claimed all sorts of fantastical things about him being a cannibal and so on and so on.
He showed me the text messages from one of them, which were extremely lurid and were certainly asking him to come and do all sorts of things to her, which put a very different perspective to me on at least one of the women who made allegations against him.
And it does seem to be we've moved, you know, 30 years ago, this kind of case wouldn't happen.
If a woman was on record as asking for XYZ and got XYZ, it would not be categorized as rape or non-consensual sex.
These days, you're seeing a rise in this kind of thing against high-profile people.
And I think that is concerning.
It's not to say she's not telling the truth.
I don't know.
I wasn't there.
But it is concerning when you see the juxtaposition of very lurid text messages asking Shannon Sharp to do stuff to her.
And then her claiming actually she didn't want this stuff done to her.
Government Overreach on Private Lives 00:14:55
Well, I agree with Charlemagne with what he said with the age gap.
There's no reason for him to be talking to her because of the age difference.
And I'm disappointed in Shannon Sharp because when I was in my acting days, I did a Charles Swab commercial with him.
So I looked up at him as this, you know, positive figure in our community.
But now to see him at 54 dating and 19 year old, it goes to show that he learned nothing from R. Kelly.
The girl, Asmiel Clary, her parents, Alice, Clary, Angelo, Clary, it was entrapment with R. Kelly.
It was the same thing.
The girl sat there and she defended R. Kelly until she was mad at him.
And then she turned around and he went to jail.
This is probably the same situation with Shannon.
And it probably was consensual in the beginning, but you're dealing with an immature woman that is just coming into her emotions and her feelings.
And you're playing a dangerous game with the age gap.
And this is the result of it.
And like I said, he did not learn from R. Kelly.
This is the same thing that R. Kelly is.
And to add on to this, it was like when we were young coming up in the industry, and Lord Jamal, he could assess to this.
There were the girls that, you know, had their eyes on the guys that were going to be athletes, like with Carmelo Anthony or somebody young.
And the older women, they know these guys are getting ready to go pro.
So they prey on them and they get them.
And then they got a career.
Well, it started with the rappers, then it became the sports athletes.
And then they moved on to, you know, you're seeing women, rappers like Eve with billionaire men.
You know, it's the elevation of the opportunity that you want.
And right now, this girl caught Shannon Sharp in the new hustle, which is Kind of the same thing they did he's going through with Cassie, uh, allegedly.
Well, it's interesting.
Okay, so you mentioned Diddy.
Let me come to you, Lord Jamar, on Diddy, because his trial kicks off next week.
It won't be televised.
Some people thought it might be, but it won't be.
It's been announced.
It's also been revealed he's turned down a plea deal.
So he clearly wants to have his day in court to clear his name, which is, you know, interesting in itself.
And apparently, Lord Jamal, one of his main defenses is going to be that everything was part of a kind of swinging scene.
His representation apparently claimed he merely engaged in swinging.
This was what the freak-offs were all about.
There was a lifestyle, they say, call it swinging or whatever you will that he thought was appropriate because it was common.
That's his lawyer, Mark Agnephilo, apparently argued at the courthouse.
So, what do we make of this?
Diddy didn't do a deal.
So, clearly, he wants to try and clear his name, didn't want to go to jail by admitting anything.
And they're going to try and say that all these freak-off parties were swinging.
I mean, it's quite possible.
You know, when you just brought up Diddy and we transitioned from Shannon, two things that I kind of saw in my mind at that time, because we can't really ignore the racial component to this.
These guys kind of remind me of Jack Johnson, the boxer Jack Johnson back in the days.
He was a successful black man who blatantly flaunted his wealth and was having relationships with white women at a time when that was super taboo.
And I think, you know, within the DNA, especially here in America, you know, you have certain black men that are trying to prove that, oh, I'm successful now.
I can do what I want to do.
I can have white girls.
I can have, you know, they can be as young as I want them to be.
I can have freak off parties.
I'm free.
Like, you know, these are people with money that are trying to say that they're really free.
And the system will be like, hang on now.
We don't necessarily care how much money you have.
Slow it up.
You're still black in America.
And I think that's a component that, you know, it's a silent component, but it's loud at the same time.
Okay.
Sean French, I mean, I have not heard that defense of it, that it's potentially related to his skin color.
Well, not a defense.
It's not a defense.
No, no, no.
It's a possible explanation.
I mean, Sean French, do you think there's any merit to that?
Or do you think that, I mean, look, Harvey Weinstein obviously was a white guy who got brought to book.
Kevin Spacey got brought to book.
I can think of, you know, Army Hammer, they're all white.
I'm not entirely sure that the skin color part of this carries much water, given how many white guys have also been brought down since the Me Too thing certainly started.
But this, this also, this wider thing of him trying to frame it as swinging, the freak off parties and stuff.
Do you think that will carry any water?
I mean, I'm certainly not going to shoot down his perspective.
I'm going to respect it, but I think it's more about the public eye.
It's more about being a big public figure and having all the money and doing whatever the hell you think you can do.
It's like, I'm going to do this because I have this status.
So to me, it's more about that.
And, you know, these freak off party swingers, hey, man, swinging's not illegal.
It's not the lifestyle that I would want to live, right?
But the fact of the matter is, it's not illegal to do so.
So I don't know where the disconnect is.
Again, we have to wait for facts.
The trial is coming up.
I don't have all the documents.
I don't have all the evidence, but it doesn't look good.
But I surely feel this is more about a public figure exercising his control on the industry because of his prominence.
That's the way I see it.
Yeah, Stacey, from a legal perspective, it's interesting that he's turned down any kind of deal.
I would expect him to turn down a deal.
You never, he's being prosecuted by the federal government.
It isn't a state crime.
And they're actually charging him with racketeering.
And they're alleging that he's using all of his business enterprises to transport sex workers over state lines to conduct these alleged freak off parties.
And so there's so many more counts than just individual alleged sexual abuse.
Diddy's like this whole scheme and the type of case that the government has brought against him is very similar to a mob case.
I frankly have never seen anything like it, specifically in New York, where those type of cases are brought by the federal government, you know, mob type of racketeering cases, that they've turned in entertainers alleged proclivities or whatever he's doing.
And I'm not diminishing it again because we haven't seen all of the evidence.
We've only seen what's in the indictment.
I've seen it.
You know, I've read part of his indictment.
I think it's extraordinary that the government has gone to the lengths it's gone to to allege the number of counts against him for that type of activity.
I'm not saying the activity is legal or illegal.
Again, I'm not making a judgment, but just looking at it from the defense attorney perspective, the case is a little bit outrageous at the breadth of what they've brought, how broad it is.
And his defense of saying for now that this is something I can do with my money, that will be a legitimate defense.
But because the government has cornered him on so many other allegations by involving these allegations against using sex workers and transporting them into the parties, he's facing a very tough battle.
So I don't blame him for not taking a deal because that deal would not have been an easy, sweet deal.
It would have been a lot of time involved in whatever the government has offered him.
Okay, no joke.
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse for him, Kanye West has raced to his defense, which I suspect will not be very helpful.
But one thing I thought was really particularly disturbing, really, was the way that Kanye framed the security camera footage of Diddy clearly attacking his ex-girlfriend, Cassie Ventura.
We all saw it with our own eyes, what he was doing.
And Kanye tweeted, when a man truly loves a woman, he may express it in rage.
I empathize with both sides.
You have to truly get to be, you have to be truly in love to get to the point of risking everything.
And then he's released a track that appeared to feature a recording of Diddy speaking from jail, in which Kanye West talks to her and says, I love you so much, just like you raised me, even when I didn't know you.
Diddy responds saying, I feel the love man.
So full on defense, but this idea that when a man truly loves a woman, he might beat her up is for the birds, isn't it?
I mean, I don't know any man personally who would think that is a way to express love for a woman.
No, I don't agree with that at all.
And we know Kanye has been doing all that for attention.
But dude, to give back, like, just to echo on the Diddy thing real quick, going to what Lord Jamar said, the Man Act.
I don't know if Harvey Weinstein and these other guys are what you charge with the Man Act.
You know, that's the difference in them being, you know, convicted for similar allegations because the Man Act is what they use to arrest not only Jack Johnson, Chuck Berry, but R. Kelly, and they're using that against Diddy.
R. Kelly was hit with the Man Act, and it's same thing.
Like Stacey said, just because it's the swing of lifestyle, that's the same thing with R. Kelly because it was Azriel Clary and Joycelyn Savage, right?
So that's how they got R. Kelly with using the Man Act to charge him with Erico, which he said, which is which was in New York State, which is a mob thing.
Like you got a rock star going to jail for a rock star lifestyle.
Yeah, but maybe, yeah, but isn't the point, isn't the point that he might have been behaving like a mobster?
If he really was, you know, racketeering and trafficking girls over state lines and so on, then he's not behaving.
We haven't seen the evidence yet.
What we do know is the feds have a pretty well, almost 100% record of nailing people when they come after them like this.
So I am very curious to see what the actual evidence is.
I mean, the conviction rate is high because most of those people plead guilty.
Now, R. Kelly was off it 10 years.
Well, also because the evidence is often overwhelming.
So I think we've got to...
And it's very, sorry, it's very, very hard to beat a federal case in the Southern District of New York.
They are airtight.
They got their eyes.
They crossed their teeth.
They don't bring an indictment.
So I think we have to wait.
I think we have to look.
With Diddy, the good news is the speculation will end quite soon and we will have it all laid bare in a courtroom.
But my suspicion is that the feds have only brought this case because they believe it's a watertight case of him actually trafficking girls over state lines to perform criminal activity.
That may not be true, right?
It may not be true, but I think we should now probably wait and see what emerges in court before we all Kelly was trafficking those two girls?
Those were his girlfriends.
Well, in R. Kelly's case, wasn't one of them underage?
Wasn't that the issue?
Yeah, she was 18, but her parents lied.
She lied.
Everybody lied.
And then the court of New York state law, they didn't allow the parents to be subpoenaed to court to testify.
How do you got a case about an underage girl, but you don't allow the parents to testify?
Well, don't make sense.
Well, okay, we haven't got time to talk about R. Kelly.
You raise an interesting point.
I'm really, really curious to see what comes out in court because it's going to be fascinating to see what's happening.
As far as Kanye goes, Kanye is only supporting Diddy for attention.
Of course, he's with the black Ku Kuk standing.
Let me be quite clear about Kenya West.
Kenye West is a fucking courtroom one day and supported Diddy.
Pardon my French.
Kanye West is a fucking idiot.
He should not be allowed anywhere near social media.
He should not be allowed near any social media platform.
He has gone completely nuts.
He is deliberately abusing, insulting, harassing, threatening, defaming anyone he can think of for attention.
Including himself.
Including himself.
He's wrecking his own reputation minute by minute.
But I actually think he's broken every rule that X has, for example.
5 million people a year or accounts get suspended by X for a lot less than what he's been doing.
And so it's completely baffling to me why Elon Musk allows him to continue doing this stuff in often some cases lawlessly.
He breaks the law with impunity, threatening and harassing Jewish people and so on.
Anyway, that's for another time.
I want to end just with something a little lighter, but totally bizarre.
This is a clip of Bill Belichick, obviously the great NFL coaching legend.
He was on CBS and they played this clip from the interview.
Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.
You have Jordan right over there.
Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.
They've got an opinion about your private life.
It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.
How do you deal with that?
Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks.
Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.
How did you guys meet?
Not talking about this.
No.
No.
It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on.
Though Hudson has recently posted about it on Instagram.
I mean, this on every single level, Sean Frank.
This is utterly ridiculous.
Apart from we talked about an age gap earlier, the age gap, Belichick is 73.
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She's 24.
So he's 49 years older than she is.
I thought ever since they started holding hands in public, it was utterly ridiculous.
It's an age gap even Madonna would shy away from.
But then to watch this interview, watch this guy whose reputation is one of the hardest, toughest, meanest, most successful coaches in the history of American football, getting bossed around by this girl about what he can and can't say.
And the utter hypocrisy of Miss Hudson posting all over her Instagram endless stuff about their relationship and then saying, we're not talking about that.
Well, they would just ask, when did you meet?
All of it is preposterous.
I said on X yesterday, I mean it today, I think it's time his family and friends did an intervention.
Save him from himself.
Also from that sweatshirt, somebody should save him.
And the tatty old whole rhythm.
He loves holy sweatshirts, guys.
He loves that stuff.
So bizarre.
But Sean, Sean, Sean, what should we?
Sean, am I being unfair?
No, I don't think so.
Look, this whole thing is big, right?
I mean, you're talking about the most prominent coach potentially in NFL history.
Anything he does is going to be amplified.
People are going to pay very close attention.
The dude won how many Super Bowls?
And now he's potentially going to go win national championships at UNC and then brings a 24-year-old girl, right?
Or woman, sorry, onto the field in allowing her to become part of football operations.
And listen, if she was employed by the university to do so, cool.
I mean, there's many amazing women sportscasters, but this woman is going for attention.
And the bottom line is my first knee-jerk reaction to that whole thing is like, why are you even asking about his relationship, how y'all met?
I mean, this is the best coach ever.
Like, let's have him on this show and talk about what really matters.
But then I sat back and looked at it.
I'm like, yeah, they're going to draw attention to themselves.
People are going to ask about it.
Yeah.
I mean, come on.
Honestly, it's too big of an age gap.
It's ridiculous.
Lord Jamar.
Go get your boy, man.
Yeah, look, Lord Jabar.
A guy that age, of course he can date a young woman.
We've seen millions of these stories from Hugh Hefner onwards.
Of course he can if he wants to, but don't expect not to be ridiculed.
Particularly, I mean, I thought it was amazing that CBS showed us that footage, which clearly they never imagined Belichick and his girlfriend would be released that way, I would think.
But so toe-curlingly embarrassing, wasn't it?
It definitely was.
I think she didn't want him to answer that question because the answer would have been Chuck E. Cheese.
Come on, man.
Skeeball, bro.
Skeeball.
Now, what baffles me, though, is Bill Belichick as a coach, you're supposed to be cerebral.
You're supposed to be able to dissipate.
How can he not see what's happening?
He's going to do even a Shannon Sharp.
Like, these guys are sports legends.
That's not just physical things.
There's so much mental stuff that goes into this.
How are you so stupid to let, you know, somebody almost 50 years younger than you boss you around and tell you what to do and just and just not see that this is like a money play?
Like she only wants you for your money.
Do you think this guy is really like satisfying that 25?
Well, you never know in this era of Viagra.
I mean, Stacey.
Even with Viagra, Stacy, I did think that also.
How is he doing that?
It's a bad visual.
Well, Stacey, listen, we don't want to think too much about Bill and his Viagra stash, but I just think that it was the fact that she felt she could control Stacey a CBS interview about their life, given how much of their life she's put out there already.
I just thought was ridiculous.
Yes, but it's he's bringing that to the table for his interview.
He's controlling that interview and letting her control that interview.
So it is a matter of his choice.
But I look at it a little differently.
A man's in power and a man is wealthy.
He can do whatever he wants.
And who are we to criticize him?
If he wants to date someone who's crazy, I'm sorry, I don't mean crazy.
She looked pretty crazy to me.
The situation is crazy.
She thinks she can get CBS to do that without any fallback.
She's not.
I take that back.
Yes, I thought that her statement was crazy.
Ridiculous.
If he wants to do that, more power to him at that age that he can get away with dating a girl like that and letting her rule the roost.
So why put him down?
Let him enjoy his life.
Well, I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why.
Okay, but I said, all right, but look, choke, no joke.
The reason I said it's time for an intervention, I think we all know how this movie ends, and it doesn't end well for Bill, right?
If anybody seriously thinks these two are going to be together in a year's time or whatever, I think they're living in cloud cuckoo land.
I just think the whole thing is deeply embarrassing.
And I'd imagine his family and friends are like completely non-plussed about what he's doing.
He's one of the most smart people in American sporting history.
He's an absolute hero.
And yet, here he is making a complete fool of himself.
But he doesn't think he's making a fool of himself.
Well, he may not.
He may not, but I wonder, but I know love is blind.
But choke no joke, love may be blind, but sometimes when you watch back a clip like that, it is humiliating for Bill Bilichek.
And I feel for him, I don't want his reputation to continue to be destroyed like this.
And if I were close to him, I'd be like, mate, this is crazy.
Right.
Well, I don't think he's crazy.
I think that there's some times with men that they may, he may not even be romantically involved at all, or it may not even be intimacy, but he might see something in this young lady that as the person that he is, because we know he's intelligent, right?
You know, he's smart.
And he might just see something in this young lady that he wants to and empower.
You know what I'm saying?
Sometimes, us as men, you know what I'm saying?
You might date a younger woman and have no intentions of, you know, being with her in that way, but she may come from a different type of lifestyle and you just want to show her something different.
You know what I'm saying?
And you know what, Joe, no, Joe, honestly, I don't think I do know what you're saying.
I think it's completely insane.
You lost me, bro.
I love you, man.
I just think my instincts about these things are trying to marry this girl or have children with this.
They're not going to get married and have children.
I will stake my entire reputation or what's left of it on that never happening.
Anyway, we've got to leave it there.
Great Panel Discussion Ends 00:00:32
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Thank you all very much.
Thank you guys.
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