Uncensored - Piers Morgan - 20250417_ive-openly-supported-hamas-tim-dillon-on-trump-rfk
Aired: 2025-04-17
Duration: 52:44


=== Absurdity in American Life (10:30) ===

[00:00:00]  I just want to come out and say, I love the Mossad.
[00:00:02]  I'm not suicidal.
[00:00:04]  I love when the planes I am in land.
[00:00:07]  There's a lot more context.
[00:00:09]  Americans are fat pigs and British people have effed up teeth, but we're allies.
[00:00:14]  Pierce, I've openly supported Hamas.
[00:00:17]  It depends who you're having lunch with.
[00:00:19]  Don't you want to just get through a lunch, Pierce?
[00:00:22]  Do you want to fight everyone all the time?
[00:00:24]  A ton of liberals who said to me, wait a minute.
[00:00:29]  I feel like I just took acid.
[00:00:31]  I said, why?
[00:00:31]  They go, do I agree with Steve Bannon?
[00:00:34]  Tim, you have a great friendship with RFK.
[00:00:37]  He's an authentic guy.
[00:00:38]  He goes, the instant oatmeal has glyophosphate in it, and it's actually not healthy.
[00:00:45]  I think we need to invade steak and shake with the military and shut it down.
[00:00:50]  I don't think we need half measures in this country.
[00:00:52]  I should be let out of McDonald's at gunpoint.
[00:00:56]  Tim Dylan is a comedian, a podcaster, and a political commentator with some choice words for politicians on both sides of the aisle.
[00:01:04]  He was also in the sequel to Joker, but we couldn't find any mention of that on his website.
[00:01:10]  Dylan's new Netflix special, I'm Your Mother, is streaming now.
[00:01:13]  It was billed by Alkik as must-watch offensive comedy that woke losers will hate, which sounds right up my strata.
[00:01:21]  And I'm delighted to say I'm joined by Tim Dylan.
[00:01:23]  Now, Tim, great to have you on our sensitive again.
[00:01:26]  Thank you, Pierce.
[00:01:27]  I appreciate it.
[00:01:28]  I was listening to your last segment about the Mossad.
[00:01:30]  I just want to come out and say, I love the Mossad.
[00:01:32]  I'm not suicidal.
[00:01:34]  I love when the planes I am in land.
[00:01:37]  And I'll just continue to a lot of appreciation for that intelligence service and all intelligence services.
[00:01:44]  They're all doing great.
[00:01:49]  Well, I'm glad we've got that cleared up.
[00:01:51]  I wanted to start actually with a very aggressive move against you, which is to repeat something you said against Andrew Rogan against my countrymen.
[00:02:00]  Let's take a listen.
[00:02:02]  British people's teeth are gross.
[00:02:04]  Yeah.
[00:02:04]  Brush your fucking teeth.
[00:02:05]  Is that why?
[00:02:06]  Yeah, but they have fucked up teeth.
[00:02:08]  When people have small jaws, like in your ceiling, they eat mushy peas and they have scurvy.
[00:02:17]  Would you like to apologize to the British people for your grotesque insult of our teeth and jaws?
[00:02:24]  Well, sure.
[00:02:25]  I would like to say that that was taken out of context.
[00:02:31]  Oh, it bloody was.
[00:02:34]  There's a lot more context.
[00:02:36]  Americans are fat pigs and British people have effed up teeth, but we're allies.
[00:02:43]  My teeth are immaculate, I'll have you know.
[00:02:46]  Actually, thank you for Beverly Hills dentist.
[00:02:49]  That's right.
[00:02:50]  Well, you're like, I feel like you're an honorary American in many ways.
[00:02:55]  Thank you very much.
[00:02:57]  I feel like, well, I've actually lived and worked out here for most of the last 20 years.
[00:03:00]  So I'm very happy to do that.
[00:03:03]  Let's talk about comedy, Tim, generally.
[00:03:06]  There's been a belief by many comedians that you almost can't do too much on Trump because the real Trump is funnier than anything comedians can do in relation to Trump.
[00:03:17]  A, do you accept that premise?
[00:03:20]  And B, where do you think comedy is now with Trump, Mark II, as he's come back as president?
[00:03:27]  I think comedy is where it should be, where people are connecting with things that they find funny.
[00:03:34]  Trump is a brilliant comedian.
[00:03:36]  Outside of his political skill, he's an incredibly funny person.
[00:03:42]  And watching him is very entertaining.
[00:03:44]  And I think often the people that try to lampoon him fail so badly because, you know, a lot of the things he does are naturally satirical, whether he intends it or not.
[00:03:55]  I don't think he's always intending it to be funny, but he just kind of says anything he wants.
[00:04:01]  That's a quality that we don't see in a lot of people, certainly almost in no political figures.
[00:04:08]  And that's what makes him so funny.
[00:04:09]  He's like, you know, if your aunt had a few glasses of wine and she would say anything she wanted and she's hilarious, is she a comedian?
[00:04:19]  Maybe not a comedian, but she's funnier than a lot of people because she just doesn't care.
[00:04:24]  And I think that's what Trump is.
[00:04:25]  He just doesn't care.
[00:04:27]  Yeah.
[00:04:29]  Well, he has a very unfiltered, uncensored style.
[00:04:33]  You know, I've known Trump 20 years and he just says what comes into his head.
[00:04:38]  Sometimes he says it for deliberate effect.
[00:04:40]  And sometimes he just says something because he's just heard it a minute ago and he thinks it's interesting to repeat it in the public domain and the world goes crazy or overreacts or underreacts, whatever it may be.
[00:04:52]  But I think you're right.
[00:04:53]  He's a naturally funny guy.
[00:04:56]  But if you're on the liberal woke side, they just refuse to ever laugh at anything he does.
[00:05:02]  And I always think that they would all be a lot calmer if they just realized a lot of what he does and says is designed specifically to wind them up.
[00:05:13]  I think a thousand percent.
[00:05:15]  What he does to them is when your parents would tell you, you're, I'm sending you to military school.
[00:05:22]  And you would flip out and scream and yell every time they said it.
[00:05:28]  But they knew those were the words that were going to get a reaction out of you.
[00:05:31]  I think he's brilliant in that sense.
[00:05:33]  He knows how to distract.
[00:05:37]  He knows the media.
[00:05:38]  He knows the value of spectacle.
[00:05:40]  And I think they still, you know, I don't know, 10 years into him, his political life, haven't found a way to effectively counter him.
[00:05:51]  Yeah.
[00:05:52]  Yeah.
[00:05:53]  I mean, what do you make of the state of the Democrats right now with historic low polling?
[00:05:58]  Joe Biden came out of the crypt yesterday.
[00:06:00]  We have AOC seems to be doing all the running to lead the party, which seems to me to be a failure to recognize why they've become so unpopular.
[00:06:10]  They have to moderate their social positions and actually adopt some of the more populist economic positions of somebody like Bernie Sanders, but it has to be fun.
[00:06:22]  The problem with modern liberalism is that it's not fun.
[00:06:25]  It's actually tiring.
[00:06:27]  It's exhausting.
[00:06:28]  It's a bore.
[00:06:30]  And Trump threw a party and people enjoyed his rallies and they thought he was funny.
[00:06:36]  And, you know, politics is a game of a lot of it is optics.
[00:06:41]  You know, what does something look like?
[00:06:43]  How does it make you feel?
[00:06:45]  And right now they're struggling to find a message, I think, that resonates with regular people.
[00:06:52]  Regular people do not want child sex changes.
[00:06:57]  I don't know how that became a linchpin of their, you know, like, I don't get it.
[00:07:03]  It's the craziest.
[00:07:05]  I don't understand how some of these positions, like they're immovable, like they won't move on biological men and women's sports, but they will move on health care.
[00:07:14]  They don't even bring that up anymore.
[00:07:17]  So why are these issues that are incredibly divisive the only issues where they will not give an inch?
[00:07:28]  Yeah, I completely agree.
[00:07:30]  When you do live shows, do you care that your audience may have pro-Trumpers and virulent anti-Trumpers?
[00:07:39]  Does it factor into your thinking or not?
[00:07:42]  No, no, because comedy is about, I think, trying to make everybody laugh.
[00:07:48]  I think there's a lot of absurdity in American life.
[00:07:52]  A lot of it isn't political.
[00:07:55]  I think we should have a strong Democratic Party.
[00:07:58]  I don't want to live in a one-party state.
[00:07:59]  I don't want to live in a theocracy.
[00:08:01]  I look at the Middle East where you have these Petra dictatorships and I don't want to live in that.
[00:08:07]  I want a functioning democratic state.
[00:08:10]  So I think that sometimes calling people out for how absurd they're behaving is actually in the long run helping maybe them realize, oh yeah, this is silly.
[00:08:20]  We should not be as ridiculous.
[00:08:24]  And then, you know, that helps everybody.
[00:08:26]  I think you just call out who's behaving in a ridiculous way, you know?
[00:08:30]  I'm against some of the things the Trump people are doing.
[00:08:33]  And I've called that out.
[00:08:35]  You know, like, I just think it's, it's not, I don't care who's in the audience.
[00:08:41]  I think we all have to recognize the absurd moment that we're in.
[00:08:44]  And it's an insane time to be alive as a human being in any country.
[00:08:49]  You have AI coming down the pike.
[00:08:52]  You have the richest guy in the world with a chainsaw screaming and running around.
[00:08:56]  That's wild.
[00:08:58]  We have the president of the country is Donald Trump again, which is wild.
[00:09:04]  All of these things are inherently somewhat funny.
[00:09:09]  They're certainly crazy.
[00:09:11]  And I think they're, you know, I think even diehard Republicans will admit we're living in a time that's pretty insane.
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=== Nuance Returns to Politics (08:30) ===

[00:10:30]  One of the more insane aspects of the last few years has been the rise of cancel culture, which now, thankfully, seems to be slightly dissipating.
[00:10:39]  It was interesting to me that with your new stand-up show, which came out on Netflix this week, you actually resurrect Frank Underwoods.
[00:10:48]  Let's take a look at the clip.
[00:10:50]  Jesus Christ, Frank.
[00:10:51]  I'll read it.
[00:10:52]  But first, you got to plug my comedy special.
[00:10:55]  Oh, Jesus.
[00:10:56]  It's good.
[00:10:57]  I filmed it in Austin.
[00:10:59]  I don't care if you filmed it on Mars with Elon Musk.
[00:11:02]  I'm not here to help you.
[00:11:04]  These photos you gave me, I've posted them all.
[00:11:08]  I'm on the internet.
[00:11:09]  We don't have blackmail.
[00:11:11]  We have content.
[00:11:12]  We're all demons from hell.
[00:11:14]  You son of a bitch.
[00:11:16]  Now, A, it was very funny.
[00:11:19]  But secondly, it was very interesting to me that you used Kevin Spacey to do that.
[00:11:23]  I interviewed Kevin last summer, had a very long and very emotional interview with him.
[00:11:29]  He was clearly, he was very raw, felt very, very beaten down by what had happened to him and was desperate to make a comeback.
[00:11:37]  And he's beginning to, and people like you having the courage, frankly, to use him in the way that you did will help with that process.
[00:11:45]  But this is a guy who, I'm not sure what more he's supposed to have done.
[00:11:49]  He went through a criminal trial and a civil trial, and he was acquitted in both.
[00:11:55]  He's not been convicted of any crime, and yet he seems to be completely untouchable by Hollywood.
[00:12:03]  When you came to use him, was part of that a deliberate statement by you to say this is absurd, that of course he should be able to work?
[00:12:13]  Well, that show, House of Cards, was the first hit on Netflix.
[00:12:17]  He's probably the most memorable character that has ever been on any Netflix show, Frank Underwood.
[00:12:24]  Kevin's a brilliant actor.
[00:12:26]  Like everyone on earth, he's an imperfect human being.
[00:12:30]  I tend to think that the world is an incredibly complicated place.
[00:12:38]  Where we need you, it's governed by laws and we can't have mob, vigilante justice and that's what that whole era of our, of our country, felt like.
[00:12:53]  It felt like, you know, kind of a scarlet letter thing where you wanted people kind of paraded through the streets and you wanted people to be shamed and banished.
[00:13:05]  I feel like we're past that.
[00:13:07]  I feel like you can.
[00:13:09]  You can bring someone on who's incredibly talented, who's flawed and human and has made mistakes, and I think, at the end of the day, most people now are ready for a lot of these people to come back and do the things that they were really, really good at doing, and most people are adults and they understand that like, people contain multitudes and if someone is not acting in a criminal manner,
[00:13:37]  then I think you have to give that person the benefit of the doubt.
[00:13:43]  I also think if you're going to be a fair, democratic society, you've got to allow people to have a second chance, right if they completely fuck up.
[00:13:53]  Uh, whatever it may be, even people who've perhaps been convicted of crimes.
[00:13:56]  I mean, I look at people you know, like Mike Tyson, the boxer who went to prison for rape.
[00:14:01]  Now he always denied that he raped anybody, but he was convicted.
[00:14:05]  But he's been allowed to uh, be brought back by society.
[00:14:09]  He is, you know, arguably as famous now as he's ever been and certainly is busy work wise.
[00:14:15]  Why is it one rule for people like Mike and another rule for people like Kevin Spacey?
[00:14:20]  It seems that there's a very arbitrary court of public opinion which is determining whether people are allowed back or not.
[00:14:30]  Yeah, I I think a lot of it has to do with the time and the consensus and where people happen to be.
[00:14:37]  I think people now have realized that that is exhausting.
[00:14:43]  Being hyper judgmental all the time, asserting what a good and virtuous person you are at every moment, is exhausting.
[00:14:52]  It's a standard that no one can really live up to, and many of the people who are most vocal about you know banishing other people.
[00:15:01]  They themselves would get in trouble soon after for something they had, because nobody is perfect.
[00:15:08]  And like Warren Buffett, I think it was Warren Buffett, maybe I'm mistaken, but if you put a cop on anyone's tail for two miles, they're going to get a ticket.
[00:15:16]  Like, I don't think anyone's entire life holds up under scrutiny.
[00:15:22]  And, you know, we just have to look at it in a nuanced way.
[00:15:27]  I think nuance is coming back.
[00:15:29]  That's the hope.
[00:15:31]  And I think the black and white with us or against us, Manichean sense of people being either good or evil isn't true.
[00:15:40]  Look at the Middle East conflict.
[00:15:42]  It seems to me that you have very impassioned people on both sides of that conflict that feel very strongly about issues.
[00:15:52]  And there are people that are very conflicted about it.
[00:15:57]  And I don't think, you know, that people that think one thing are necessarily evil or wrong or bad.
[00:16:08]  I think that people are bringing their own life experience to it, their own set of values, and they're looking at it and they're trying to figure it out.
[00:16:18]  I mean, especially a guy like me, an Irish Catholic guy who grew up on Long Island who doesn't really know much about it and has been educating myself watching shows like yours and others.
[00:16:28]  And the questions of the world aren't always the easiest.
[00:16:34]  You know, like, I don't think it's an easy question necessarily to go, how do you fix that problem that's been going on for 2,000 years?
[00:16:44]  Yeah, look, I'm an Irish Catholic too.
[00:16:46]  And one of the best things I've read or seen about the whole Israel-Hamas war was by a Jewish journalist in the UK called Jonathan Friedland, who wrote a piece saying that he could construct a very good argument for why the Palestinians had the most right to feel aggrieved about the 75-year conflict, but also could write a separate piece about why Israelis could also justifiably claim to have the right to feel most aggrieved.
[00:17:15]  And I thought that was one of the most interesting, nuanced, and smart takes on the whole thing, which is a bit like the troubles in Northern Ireland, which raged for many decades.
[00:17:26]  Is that, you know, again, implacable people living very close to each other.
[00:17:31]  And in the end, it actually took a fresh collection of people, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, George Mitchell, and others, to look at that intractable problem and out of it forge a peace, which nobody thought could happen.
[00:17:44]  But it did happen.
[00:17:45]  And I suspect that in a few years' time, we will hopefully see the same thing in the Middle East and we'll look back on it and wonder why things got so completely intractable in the way that they did.
[00:17:56]  But that is the nature of life.
[00:17:58]  But I do think you're right that nuance is the thing that's been missing from almost everything, whether it be warfare, the culture wars, you know, the woke mindset, which always struck me as ironic because, like, if you're a liberal, the way that the woke left have behaved is very fascist.
[00:18:17]  It's very telling people what they should find funny, what movies they're allowed to enjoy, what historical figures they can revere, what clothes they can wear without appropriating people, you know, etc.
[00:18:30]  It's a very fascist kind of outlook for people who would, if you ask them, say the people I most oppose in the world are fascists.
[00:18:40]  Yes, well, it's a secular religion, just like a lot of the tenets of tech are a secular religion, just like you have a lot of people that are fundamentalist, religious, whether they're Christian, Muslim, or Jewish.
[00:18:52]  It's a fundamentalism where you don't allow any nuance.
[00:18:56]  You don't allow a space to respectfully disagree.

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[00:19:01]  I don't want my friends to think the same way that I do about everything.
[00:19:05]  That would be incredibly boring.
[00:19:07]  I want to have people that disagree with me.
[00:19:10]  I want to have friendships with people where I go, we don't agree on something, but we value each other as human beings because there are deeper human truths in life than politics.
[00:19:20]  And that's everywhere across every political spectrum.
[00:19:23]  So to me, it's like...
[00:19:25]  I think the most interesting things about life are not going to be who somebody voted for.
[00:19:30]  That's not how you remember a human being.
[00:19:32]  You're not going to stand up at a memorial and talk about who somebody voted for.
[00:19:37]  You're most likely going to talk about the things they accomplished, the way they treated their friends, their family, you know, things they like to do, their humor, their compassion.
[00:19:48]  We've reduced everything to tribal mindset and it seems to be hopefully now starting to dissipate where it's harder to know what side you're on because you look at certain issues and you go, well, I'm this.
[00:20:08]  And you look at certain issues and go, well, I feel like that.
[00:20:10]  I think it's getting a lot murkier and people don't.
[00:20:14]  And you see a lot of fights on the right right now.
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=== Deportation and Free Speech (05:13) ===

[00:21:31]  I actually find that quite healthy because I think it shows that people are, you know, I've seen conservative commentators who might a few years ago have just blindly gone along with supporting their side, come what may, because they felt they were in a kind of war with the opposition, which wouldn't allow for any admission of going against your own side on something.
[00:21:53]  And now they're much more prepared, I've noticed on social media, to come out and criticize their own side.
[00:21:58]  And I want to cheer that and say that's exactly how it should be.
[00:22:02]  You know, you should be able to look at a set of facts and if they change, say, actually, you know what?
[00:22:08]  My side's got that wrong.
[00:22:10]  It is intellectually honest to do that.
[00:22:14]  I think if you care about free speech, you have to be concerned with deporting people that attended protests that were critical of Israel.
[00:22:22]  It doesn't mean you agree with everything those people said or any of it.
[00:22:27]  It means that if those people have not committed a crime and you cannot show that they are financially supporting Hamas or in any tactical way,
[00:22:40]  and they're out there speaking freely at a protest, writing op-eds, deporting them because they've been critical of a foreign government seems to feed the conspiracy theories that the United States is acting and doing things at the behest of Israel.
[00:23:01]  What you want to do, if you're creating a political culture, you want to try to prevent people from drifting to the extremes.
[00:23:10]  That should be the whole point of creating any type of political culture is to say there are lines that people aren't going to cross.
[00:23:19]  They're not going to get into Holocaust denialism or they're not going to go, you know, on the other side into this crazy, you know, let's banish everyone who disagrees with us and let's try to get them to lose their job and destroy their reputation and really do a ton of damage to people's lives.
[00:23:38]  These extremes you want to prevent.
[00:23:40]  And to me, what I see, there's a lot of long-term damage, not only to the relationship we have with Israel, but to, you know, people's faith in our government to make decisions if we start deporting people without any due process, putting them in a jail in El Salvador.
[00:24:05]  I think these are things that conservatives are saying, wait a minute, we've died on the hill of free speech.
[00:24:13]  We can't support deporting people because they've been critical of our government or Israel.
[00:24:20]  It's crazy.
[00:24:22]  If they're legally here on a legal visa.
[00:24:25]  Right, right.
[00:24:26]  What if they are, for argument's sake, openly supporting Hamas, which is a prescribed terror group in the United States, in that circumstance?
[00:24:36]  Because you've got this guy, Mahmoud Khalil, who was the head of the protest group in Colombia, who was apparently distributing pro-Hamas literature and was there on a green card.
[00:24:49]  Would that change your thinking about somebody like that?
[00:24:52]  Pierce, I've openly supported Hamas.
[00:24:54]  It depends who you're having lunch with.
[00:24:59]  Don't you want to just get through a lunch, Pierce?
[00:25:02]  Do you want to fight everyone all the time?
[00:25:04]  If I'm out to lunch with people from the Middle East, I'm not going to start a whole thing here.
[00:25:11]  No, listen, the thing becomes when you're, what is Hamas literature?
[00:25:18]  Is it like a brochure that says, welcome to Hamas?
[00:25:23]  Am I selling it to Hamas timeshare?
[00:25:26]  What is he doing?
[00:25:26]  He's walking around the quad at Columbia.
[00:25:29]  I got to see this literature that's supposedly Hamas.
[00:25:32]  I had no idea Hamas was doing pamphlets, brochures.
[00:25:38]  I didn't know.
[00:25:39]  Do you go through a Hamas presentation?
[00:25:41]  Do you show up to the lobby of a Marriott and they just get up and tell you about the organization?
[00:25:45]  I don't know.
[00:25:46]  It seems flimsy.
[00:25:49]  The language we're using to deport that guy seems flimsy to me unless you can make a real case that he was genuinely supporting Hamas in a tactical way that endangers residents of the United States of America if he beat up a Jewish student, if he committed a crime, if he, you know, all of these things.
[00:26:18]  But if he's just voicing a very anti-Israel point of view, I think deporting him is going to feed the flames of a lot of people that think that we're doing things at the behest of Israel and that we're compromising our values to do it.
[00:26:41]  What do you make of tariffgate?

=== Manufacturing Drain Concerns (06:00) ===

[00:26:44]  I mean, I think most people seem to agree with Trump's overview that America has seen too much of a drain of its manufacturing outside of the U.S.
[00:26:54]  But a lot of people question the blunt instrument weapon he's now unleashing with these tariffs.
[00:27:00]  What do you feel about it?
[00:27:02]  I think the biggest two questions right now that are shaping politics around the world are the mass migration of people from one place to another and the economic devastation of the working class, not only in America, but in Europe, in the UK.
[00:27:21]  I find these to be the two biggest issues, and they all have to do with immigration and trade.
[00:27:27]  I'm not an economist.
[00:27:28]  I think Trump's instincts about tariffs are largely correct, that the industrial base of the country has been hollowed out.
[00:27:35]  The asset-owning class has made a lot of money over the past 30 or 40 years, but people in the manufacturing sector have seen the prospects of their lives dwindle and they're unable to live at a standard that you would want them to live.
[00:27:53]  So I think that largely he's correct about the problem.
[00:27:58]  And I think renegotiating some of these trade deals is a good idea.
[00:28:02]  But I also understand that this is a major economic shift that's probably going to be an incredibly volatile period and it may not work because we're very much down the road of the global economy.
[00:28:17]  We are a very integrated economy and unwinding that is going to be, I think, difficult.
[00:28:25]  But this is why the question really is, what is a country?
[00:28:31]  What is a nation?
[00:28:32]  Is it an economic zone?
[00:28:34]  Is it a place for people to just make money?
[00:28:38]  You know, when England has that non-dom tax law and a bunch of millionaires decide to leave and go live in Spain or other countries, it doesn't mean that I agree with that law and it doesn't mean that I agree with high taxes.
[00:28:53]  But what it does tell me is that there are people that don't see the United Kingdom as their home.
[00:29:01]  They see it as an economic opportunity.
[00:29:04]  And if that changes, they get up and leave.
[00:29:07]  Countries have unique histories and cultures and they have to be worth sacrificing for and dying for and struggling for.
[00:29:14]  And if you see everything as just an economic opportunity where you have a borderless world where people are loyal to a certain financial position over an actual country, I think that is a real interesting thing.
[00:29:30]  I think that's the biggest issue right now in Europe.
[00:29:33]  It's a massive issue in places like Scandinavia.
[00:29:36]  And it's a big issue in America.
[00:29:38]  What does it mean to be a country?
[00:29:40]  Not in a racist way, not in a nativist way, but what is the social contract between the citizens and the government?
[00:29:50]  And are these places actual nations or do they exist for a very wealthy group of people to just kind of pillage and further immiserate the lives of everybody else?
[00:30:06]  I think that's such a really smart assessment.
[00:30:09]  I completely concur.
[00:30:10]  You did a very amusing rant on this theme about the current state of the U.S. and offshoring of American manufacturing using the metaphor of umpa lumpas, Willy Wonka and Charlie in the chocolate factory.
[00:30:25]  I don't want to give too much away.
[00:30:26]  Other than the umpa lumpas didn't come out on top.
[00:30:30]  But what was the, just for those who didn't hear it at the time, just explain that again, the way you deployed that metaphor.
[00:30:38]  I thought about the Willy Wonka as a great way to think about, because you have the famous, the most famous factory in history is probably the chocolate factory from Willy Wonka.
[00:30:48]  It's the thing that everyone can understand.
[00:30:51]  So if you had all these oompa lumpas that had made chocolate forever and there's many generations of them and they are trained in that skill, they're artisanal chocolate makers and this is what they do, you know, and then the factory is sold to a multinational conglomerate that looks at the numbers and says, we can make a lot more money and drive up profits for our investors if we go to where labor costs are low.
[00:31:16]  And so we've moved the chocolate factory to China, to Taiwan, to India, to Pakistan.
[00:31:21]  And the oompa Lumpas are now in the gig economy.
[00:31:23]  They're delivering DoorDash.
[00:31:25]  They're at Panera.
[00:31:26]  They're driving Ubers.
[00:31:27]  Some of them are on fentanyl.
[00:31:29]  They're not able to function.
[00:31:31]  They're adopting pathological behavior.
[00:31:35]  The chocolate factory itself is turned into a high-end condo because why not?
[00:31:39]  And all the condos are sold for $20 or $40 million to the daughters of Chinese amusement park tycoons who go there a few months out of the year to do cocaine with the friends that they met in art school.
[00:31:51]  And that might be, and that might be 432 Park Avenue in Manhattan, or it might be One Hyde Park.
[00:31:57]  And I love Knights Bridge.
[00:31:58]  But when I go to, when I stay at Demandarin and I look at One Hyde Park, I see there's two lights on because most of those condos are just vertical money laundering.
[00:32:07]  They're stash boxes for a few hundred million dollars.
[00:32:10]  And every now and then you'll just see a Saudi little prince go in in his Lambo or something.
[00:32:15]  But, you know, we've turned these cities into Chinese ghost cities where people aren't even there.
[00:32:22]  There's no school bus pulling up outside of these condos where people are getting in.
[00:32:27]  And a lot of these billionaires are just purchasing these as investments under the names of LLCs.
[00:32:34]  So the chocolate factory becomes a high-end condo.
[00:32:37]  And then three blocks away, you have the Oompa Lumpas on Fentanyl going, that was my life forever.
[00:32:42]  And now I've been completely cast out.

=== Ghost Cities and Wealth (15:06) ===

[00:32:45]  And then Charlie, who's now a multi-billionaire, is coming on your show.
[00:32:50]  And he's talking about how important it is that we continue to support the Ukraine, which might be nice in theory, but he doesn't care at all about the Umpalumpas.
[00:32:59]  So we're all a little suspect about his newfound love for the Ukraine.
[00:33:07]  Absolutely brilliant.
[00:33:09]  I have to say, you are a genius, but you're interesting to me because I know that you take...
[00:33:15]  Well, no, you are.
[00:33:16]  You are.
[00:33:16]  You're a comic genius, but you're also, you have a really like serious news vein running through you, which I think makes you quite unusual.
[00:33:24]  You've also interviewed a lot of people on your show.
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[00:33:58]  I've been the most impressive person when you look back of all the games.
[00:34:02]  I got to be honest.
[00:34:04]  I have to be honest.
[00:34:05]  You know, we had a lot of people on.
[00:34:07]  We had Steve Bannon on.
[00:34:10]  I got calls from a ton of liberals who said to me, wait a minute, I feel like I just took acid.
[00:34:19]  I said, why?
[00:34:19]  They go, do I agree with Steve Bannon?
[00:34:23]  They said, I turned on that episode and I wanted to turn it off and I couldn't.
[00:34:29]  And they said, because here's a guy criticizing Elon Musk, criticizing tech, talking about taxing billionaires, talking about the American middle class.
[00:34:41]  We didn't hear a ton of that from the Democratic Party.
[00:34:44]  And their mind kind of melted.
[00:34:47]  And I found that to be a very interesting interview because a lot of people that were conditioned to think this guy was a Nazi or a white nationalist were like, you know, Steve Bannon was one of the only people who said, why are there not more black and Spanish people in tech?
[00:35:07]  This is a Steve Bannon quote.
[00:35:08]  That's not an AOC quote, by the way.
[00:35:10]  It's a Steve Bannon quote.
[00:35:12]  That's crazy.
[00:35:14]  And it's just very interesting because I think it is very odd when you have an entire media go, you cannot listen to someone.
[00:35:24]  And then when that person speaks and you hear them and you go, well, I don't agree with everything they're saying, but I will tell you this, they don't sound like a crazy person I shouldn't listen to.
[00:35:36]  He's not talking about flat earth.
[00:35:38]  He's not talking about JFK Jr. coming back from the dead.
[00:35:42]  He's talking about issues the Democratic Party talked about in the early 90s when they won two elections.
[00:35:50]  Yes.
[00:35:52]  Yeah, I interviewed Bannon myself recently, and then I did the Bill Maher show, and he was on that as well last week.
[00:35:59]  And I completely agree with you.
[00:36:00]  And it's interesting because Bill Maher talked in that show about going to have dinner with Trump.
[00:36:06]  And he predicted to me before it even aired, he said, you know, I'm going to get hammered by my side for this.
[00:36:13]  I can already feel it because he's announced he was going to do it and announced he's going to talk about it.
[00:36:18]  And sure enough, he did get hammered by so many people who like his show and identify as liberals.
[00:36:25]  And again, it comes back to this, what is wrong with going to sit down at the White House with the President of the United States, even if you have attacked him and criticized him and don't agree with him about a number of things, but you also agree with him about a lot of stuff too, as Bill Maher now does, whether it's immigration or the woke left and their madness and so on.
[00:36:46]  But the idea that he has to become vilified by fellow liberals for doing that, I just find so depressing.
[00:36:59]  I think people are still holding on to the idea that the way to defeat Trump is to completely ignore his appeal.
[00:37:20]  They don't want to give him an inch.
[00:37:23]  They don't want to concede that he's been right about things.
[00:37:27]  They don't want to concede that he does have his finger on the pulse of certain hot button issues that the American people, like it or not, have kind of rendered a verdict on.
[00:37:39]  They don't want to concede any of that.
[00:37:42]  I think there's a deep fear that if you admit he's right about one thing, then he's going to take that and run with it and that you'll have to then concede all his other points, which I don't.
[00:37:55]  think is true.
[00:37:56]  I think you can do what I've literally just done, where I say, I disagree here.
[00:38:00]  I agree here.
[00:38:01]  But I have a lot of very smart friends that realize and they're in that kind of machine and they realize that that isn't working.
[00:38:10]  A lot of them are in the media and they're, I did an interview with CNN yesterday and we sat down for an hour and then they said, we're going to edit it and put it out.
[00:38:17]  I said, why don't you just put it out?
[00:38:19]  You know, maybe put out a small clip of it on the internet, but put out the full hour.
[00:38:25]  I had a great discussion with this woman, Elle Reeves, who's a great journalist.
[00:38:28]  And I mean, she does all these vice things.
[00:38:31]  And so I'm sure people dislike her.
[00:38:33]  But for me, I thought she conducted a very fair interview and we had very good exchanges.
[00:38:38]  And I said, well, why in God's name would we, and of course they're asking, well, why is Joe Rogan so popular?
[00:38:42]  I said, well, number one, he's not editing his interviews.
[00:38:45]  He's putting out a full interview.
[00:38:47]  Why would you edit an interview?
[00:38:49]  I sat here for an hour and there's points that people are going to go, I don't think this guy's right.
[00:38:55]  And then there's points where people are going to go, she's right.
[00:38:59]  And then there's points where people are going to go, the hell with both of them, but put it out.
[00:39:06]  And I think that's what they're still trying to do.
[00:39:09]  Don't you think it's why don't you think it's why shows like yours are getting so popular, why my show's become really popular, why Rogan's so popular?
[00:39:21]  Because I think young people in particular, they're just done with feeling like everything's getting cut, edited, censored by a conventional media, which doesn't seem to really understand the power of just putting stuff out and letting people make their own minds up.
[00:39:39]  In other words, by the editing process, you are deciding what people should see, what they should hear.
[00:39:46]  You know, they slash a one-hour interview with you to a 10-minute interview.
[00:39:51]  You have no control over what side of you is going to be put out there.
[00:39:55]  And there's no more rounded view of Tim Dylan.
[00:39:58]  There's just going to be what CNN or whatever it is decides the public should see of you.
[00:40:03]  Whereas what I would much rather do is what we've done here, which is just have a chat for an hour, put it all out.
[00:40:09]  And people, like you say, they can hear stuff they agree with, stuff they don't agree with, but they get a much more rounded sense of who you really are.
[00:40:17]  A bit like Steve Bannon when he did your show or did mine.
[00:40:20]  I completely agree with you.
[00:40:21]  He was a very involved guy to interview.
[00:40:24]  I found myself agreeing with a lot more than I thought.
[00:40:27]  I think they want to put people in boxes and they want you to play a role and they want you to be a character.
[00:40:34]  Yes.
[00:40:34]  Because they've arranged the world in a way that they need people to fill a slot.
[00:40:41]  They need this person to be the right wing person.
[00:40:44]  They need this person to be the left-wing person.
[00:40:48]  They won't allow nuance.
[00:40:50]  It's terrible for their business model.
[00:40:52]  They've made people incredibly stupid, incredibly paranoid.
[00:40:57]  This is cable news all over the place, by the way, Jeff, because they've amputated these discussions and they've cut them down and they've not let anyone appear like a human being.
[00:41:07]  They've made them into this talking head.
[00:41:11]  And I'm not saying you have to give everyone hours and hours and hours, but you have to let people present a part of themselves that's unedited.
[00:41:20]  You'll have a show where three or four people come on.
[00:41:22]  They have a spirited disagreement.
[00:41:23]  You're not editing what they say.
[00:41:25]  You're allowing them to speak.
[00:41:27]  No.
[00:41:28]  You know, I watch.
[00:41:29]  You have Candace or Dave Smith or Batya or any of these people or Chenk or any of these guys come on.
[00:41:35]  They say their piece.
[00:41:37]  And so I'm hoping they release it in full and maybe they will.
[00:41:41]  But that's the failure of the traditional media model is that editors go in the back and they decide what they want the interview to be, what they want you to be in the interview.
[00:41:54]  And I hope they release the full thing because it's actually a really, really good discussion.
[00:41:59]  And, but it's not, it might not fit the agenda that they're trying to push.
[00:42:06]  Yes, which they shouldn't feel the need to do because younger people don't want to have an agenda forced on them.
[00:42:13]  They want to make their own minds.
[00:42:14]  Well, I showed up.
[00:42:15]  You know, she said you showed up.
[00:42:17]  Yeah.
[00:42:18]  She said a lot of people wouldn't come and talk to CNN because they think that CNN is dishonest.
[00:42:24]  And I said, well, no, I showed up because I'm going to sit here and do an interview.
[00:42:27]  And then after that, they go, now we go edit it.
[00:42:35]  You have, Tim, you have a great friendship with RFK, June.
[00:42:40]  I've interviewed him many times actually on Uncensored.
[00:42:43]  I really like him.
[00:42:44]  You do a brilliant impression of him, which I would love you to do a little taste of.
[00:42:50]  And then, I mean, let's have a little burst of your RFK.
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[00:43:25]  Well, he's a very authentic guy.
[00:43:27]  And like I, I think I told him once I was eating oatmeal because I said, I think that's healthy.
[00:43:32]  And then he goes, the instant oatmeal has glyophosphate in it.
[00:43:37]  And it's actually not healthy because the pesticides that it's growing.
[00:43:42]  So I, you know, but he, he, he's an authentic guy.
[00:43:46]  He's an authentic guy.
[00:43:48]  I liked him immediately when I met him.
[00:43:50]  I found him to be very authentic.
[00:43:52]  I think he's got a good family.
[00:43:53]  I think his wife is great.
[00:43:55]  I don't, I'm not a scientist.
[00:43:57]  I don't know if he's right about everything, but I know he's telling you exactly what he thinks.
[00:44:00]  And I know that if that's half of the battle in trying to figure out what the truth of something is, is you got to be having good faith arguments.
[00:44:07]  You got to be dealing with people.
[00:44:09]  And you can't have people lying and misrepresenting their views.
[00:44:12]  And no one's accusing him of that.
[00:44:13]  What's interesting is like, you know, he's coming out and authentically saying he's said the same thing for 20 or 30 years.
[00:44:19]  He was a liberal hero for a long time because he went after polluters.
[00:44:24]  He was a guy that went after polluters.
[00:44:26]  And then he's now talking about public health and people are very uncomfortable.
[00:44:30]  I don't agree with everything either.
[00:44:32]  I think it's like, you know, he's going after poppers or whatever.
[00:44:35]  It's like, I don't think children are fat because they're taking poppers.
[00:44:38]  But, you know, it's like, or when they say that like steak and shake is now doing beef tallow on the fries, it's like, I think we need to invade steak and shake with the military and shut it down.
[00:44:48]  I don't think we need half measures in this country.
[00:44:51]  I should be let out of McDonald's at gunpoint.
[00:44:54]  So if he gets more radical, I would be happy.
[00:44:58]  Half measures are not going to do it in America.
[00:45:00]  We need to close this down.
[00:45:02]  There should be military at the supermarkets.
[00:45:05]  You should get approved to buy things.
[00:45:08]  I mean, I think that's what we need to start doing.
[00:45:11]  It needs to get very extreme.
[00:45:13]  But I listen, I think he's a really interesting American.
[00:45:18]  He's had an American life.
[00:45:19]  The guy kicked a heroin addiction.
[00:45:22]  He's, you know, he's an interesting guy.
[00:45:24]  I mean, people tend to really not like him.
[00:45:29]  And, you know, I listen, people are well within their rights to disagree with him, but everything he is saying, he deeply believes.
[00:45:37]  And, you know, was it the best idea to have these 18-year-old kids being vaccinated three times for this thing that had an incredibly low death rate?
[00:45:47]  Probably not.
[00:45:48]  But nobody wants to, you know, but it doesn't mean that maybe maybe what was interesting, I thought, was he yeah, he was characterized as a sort of as an implacable anti-vaxxer.
[00:46:00]  And yet one of the first things I heard him do in his new job was to urge people to have the measles vaccine, for example.
[00:46:08]  So I do think he's another one where people have been led down a certain thought process about what his views actually are.
[00:46:16]  And some of them are contentious.
[00:46:18]  There's no question.
[00:46:19]  But broadly speaking, there's a lot of mythology about what he actually stands for.
[00:46:26]  Well, I think, again, people don't want to give anyone an inch.
[00:46:30]  This is the problem.
[00:46:31]  They don't want to say that he has made some good points.
[00:46:36]  They won't.
[00:46:36]  I mean, these are people that it was left-wing to question corporations.
[00:46:42]  It was left-wing to talk about poison in the food.
[00:46:46]  It was left-wing to talk about big pharma and the amount of power they have.
[00:46:50]  These were left-wing ideals years ago.
[00:46:53]  This was not right-wing.
[00:46:54]  They became right-wing, you know, during COVID and then after COVID, but they were always left-wing.
[00:47:00]  It was left-wing to question the war machine or the CIA or the FBI or the national security state.
[00:47:05]  Those are not right-wing positions.
[00:47:08]  The left-wing positions are very status quo positions.
[00:47:11]  They are pro-foreign intervention.
[00:47:13]  And by the way, there's merits to debating all these things, but now it is the Democratic Party that is far more likely to tell you that things in America are okay.
[00:47:24]  You should stop complaining.
[00:47:28]  That the, you know, financial sector in the stock market is the most important thing, that pharma should be trusted, and that we should be in other countries intervening.
[00:47:42]  And that was all truly corporate right-wing propaganda eight, 10 years ago.

=== Common Sense Over Complaints (04:52) ===

[00:47:52]  And now it is the positions of the Democratic Party because I think they just got in the room with some very wealthy people that said, we're going to fund the hell out of you if you leave us alone.
[00:48:05]  And we need you to go after social issues and tell people that we're going to make, we're going to have a trans Batman, but stop with the healthcare, stop with the economic justice, stop criticizing corporations.
[00:48:18]  And then identity politics was invented as a great way to distract people from the idea that the economic realities of their lives were steadily getting worse.
[00:48:30]  But you could pretend to be progressive because you were going to say that Nike has a CEO that's a person of color or that Chase Manhattan Bank was going to evict you, but they were going to get your pronouns correct while you were being dragged out of your house.
[00:48:51]  Tim Dylan, you are a voice of common sense.
[00:48:53]  I absolutely loved your special, Tim Dylan.
[00:48:56]  I'm your mother.
[00:48:56]  Thank you on Netflix since the 15th.
[00:49:00]  I urge everyone to go and watch it.
[00:49:01]  It's laugh out loud, funny, but it's also got some great moments of seriousness.
[00:49:06]  It makes some great points.
[00:49:08]  I really, I profoundly enjoyed it.
[00:49:10]  And I love interviewing you.
[00:49:12]  I think you're a refreshing voice of nuanced common sense in a world of well, thank you so much.
[00:49:18]  And the next time you're in LA, The next time you're in LA, I want you to let me know we're going to go and join the volunteer fire department.
[00:49:30]  You know what?
[00:49:31]  I'd happily do that.
[00:49:33]  Yeah.
[00:49:36]  I actually have a house.
[00:49:37]  I'm in LA now.
[00:49:38]  I have a house here.
[00:49:40]  I'm in New York, but I'm coming to London in this.
[00:49:43]  Yeah.
[00:49:43]  I'm coming to London in the spring.
[00:49:45]  It's one of my favorite cities.
[00:49:46]  I think it is such a great city.
[00:49:49]  And I root for a revolution of common sense in that country as well, because I think there needs to be a renegotiation in that country as well of people's rights and their liberties and their expectations.
[00:50:07]  I think that it's a great country.
[00:50:09]  We've borrowed so much of our country from that country.
[00:50:11]  And people should be able to express their opinion and not be attacked and called names and everything else.
[00:50:19]  Yeah.
[00:50:20]  I think we've lost two things, the UK and the US, collectively, actually.
[00:50:26]  Free speech, I think, and common sense.
[00:50:29]  And I detect both are returning.
[00:50:31]  In fact, as we're speaking this morning in the UK, the Supreme Court there ruled that a woman is a biological female.
[00:50:40]  And that has finally parked that debate legally in the UK from trans women claiming to be women legally with all the complications that come off that, which are to the denigration of women's rights.
[00:50:55]  You know, I've always said that personally, I want trans people to have the same rights to freedom, equality, and safety as me or anybody else, but not at the expense of eroding women's rights.
[00:51:06]  And again, it just comes back to me to be just common sense.
[00:51:10]  It's common sense.
[00:51:10]  The two things do not have to be mutually exclusive.
[00:51:14]  You can protect women's rights and promote trans rights to fairness, equality, and safety.
[00:51:19]  They can both be done.
[00:51:20]  But the moment you try and erode one right by enforcing another, I think you lose the plot.
[00:51:26]  So I agree.
[00:51:27]  I think Britain, especially on free speech, has lost the plot.
[00:51:32]  And it needs to really get a grip of that.
[00:51:34]  And I think it will.
[00:51:34]  And I think that Trump's win in America has gone a long way to restoring free speech, what it really means.
[00:51:41]  And also, I think, as he said in his victory speech, a core of common sense, which is where most people sit.
[00:51:50]  Most people do not sit on the extremities of these issues.
[00:51:54]  They actually sit in a place of common sense.
[00:51:57]  I've always felt that.
[00:51:58]  But more power to you, Tim.
[00:52:00]  I love, love your special.
[00:52:01]  Love your show.
[00:52:02]  Love having you on censored.
[00:52:03]  You'll be welcome back anytime.
[00:52:06]  Thank you, Pierce.
[00:52:07]  I really appreciate it.
[00:52:08]  And thanks, everything you're doing.
[00:52:09]  You have a great show, and I really love watching.
[00:52:13]  I agree, mate.
[00:52:14]  Thank you very much.
[00:52:15]  I really appreciate it.
[00:52:16]  Take care.
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